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Offline Doggie Howser

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Re: Purpose built computer based music players
« Reply #90 on: September 17, 2011, 22:22 »
Aaarggghh.. you using the Mach2Mini for HD movies!???

I thought the whole OS had been tweaked bare so there was nothing distracting it from playing back music :P

Anyway, here's a comparison in terms of pricing:

Mach2Mini 2011 with SSD/8GB - US$1649 approx S$2.1k
1TB FW HDD S$190
USB cable can range up to $1k or beyond
USB SPDIF box $1.3k for Wavelink HS
PureMusic licence US$130 approx $170
coax SPDIF cable can range up to $1k

A decent setup could easily cost from S$5.6k. I've probably spent a bit more on the USB cables :P

With the preorder price of the Aurender, it's just a small jump away. IMHO well worth the difference.

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Re: Purpose built computer based music players
« Reply #91 on: September 17, 2011, 22:54 »
Well, for your comparison, strictly speaking you can't include the coax cable in your total cos you'll need it for the aurender too if I'm not mistaken  :)

In any case, a lot depends in one's set up. For myself I focus on a good USB dac so that I avoid having to get the USB converter and additional digital coax cable, which is not only more expensive, it also potentially degrades performance vs a dac with a properly built USB implementation. So that takes out the price of the digital coax and wavelink hs. Plus I think not everyone buys >$1k USB cables...


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Re: Purpose built computer based music players
« Reply #92 on: September 17, 2011, 23:02 »
Well, for your comparison, strictly speaking you can't include the coax cable in your total cos you'll need it for the aurender too if I'm not mistaken  :)

In any case, a lot depends in one's set up. For myself I focus on a good USB dac so that I avoid having to get the USB converter and additional digital coax cable, which is not only more expensive, it also potentially degrades performance vs a dac with a properly built USB implementation. So that takes out the price of the digital coax and wavelink hs. Plus I think not everyone buys >$1k USB cables...

I think he meant digital coax cable and good ones does make a huge difference. I think keeping USB out of the DAC box is a plus not minus. Say even if you omits these items there is still linear or battery power supply to consider. I would pick a very good linear supply over battery.

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Re: Purpose built computer based music players
« Reply #93 on: September 17, 2011, 23:04 »
I think he meant digital coax cable and good ones does make a huge difference. I think keeping USB out of the DAC box is a plus not minus. Say even if you omits these items there is still linear or battery power supply to consider. I would pick a very good linear supply over battery.
mars73 is just referring to DH's comparison of $5.6k price tag for macmini setup when he shldn't include the price of a good coax in (i.e. $4.6k) when comparing the price versus a aurender, which also needs that same cable.

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Re: Purpose built computer based music players
« Reply #94 on: September 17, 2011, 23:10 »
mars73 is just referring to DH's comparison of $5.6k price tag for macmini setup when he shldn't include the price of a good coax in (i.e. $4.6k) when comparing the price versus a aurender, which also needs that same cable.

My bad...still a linear PSU will cost more...

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Re: Purpose built computer based music players
« Reply #95 on: September 17, 2011, 23:20 »
I think he meant digital coax cable and good ones does make a huge difference. I think keeping USB out of the DAC box is a plus not minus. Say even if you omits these items there is still linear or battery power supply to consider. I would pick a very good linear supply over battery.

well, honestly i don't know for sure 100%. imo, i feel the fewer interfaces the signal has to go through, the better the chances to avoid messing up the signal too much.

as for a very good linear power supply vs battery, i have no idea which is better performance wise. but i think the former is very much more expensive than the latter.

but hey what do i know. all i know is i'm happy with the performance with my battery powered mach2, vs the cost incurred, and it totally kicks the butt of my mbp. i'm sure those who get the aurender will feel the same.

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Re: Purpose built computer based music players
« Reply #96 on: September 17, 2011, 23:23 »

but hey what do i know. all i know is i'm happy with the performance with my battery powered mach2, vs the cost incurred, and it totally kicks the butt of my mbp. i'm sure those who get the aurender will feel the same.

Bro, as long as it rocks your boat thats most important  :)

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Re: Purpose built computer based music players
« Reply #97 on: September 17, 2011, 23:46 »
With the Aurender, you take tweaking out of the equation. It sounds great out of the box. No settings. No software. No additional drivers.

The Mac still requires a fair amount of tweaking to get it right. And it's close but just not quite there yet.

For me, a couple of things are in favor of the "industry building block" side like with a Mac. I love what PureMusic is doing and with native DSD support and USB-X interface, it looks like we can do more things on the Mac, even speaking from the perspective of a music server. And as I mentioned before, the iTunes library means all my other devices sync off the same single library.

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Re: Purpose built computer based music players
« Reply #98 on: September 18, 2011, 00:22 »
With the Aurender, you take tweaking out of the equation. It sounds great out of the box. No settings. No software. No additional drivers.

The Mac still requires a fair amount of tweaking to get it right. And it's close but just not quite there yet.

For me, a couple of things are in favor of the "industry building block" side like with a Mac. I love what PureMusic is doing and with native DSD support and USB-X interface, it looks like we can do more things on the Mac, even speaking from the perspective of a music server. And as I mentioned before, the iTunes library means all my other devices sync off the same single library.
 

That's true, never did think about the DSD side of things. The tweaking and hassle part of the Mac is also true compared to an out of the box solution like Aurender. But isn't tweaking part of the fun :P

Btw, the fellas at Mach2 said can play movies and surf no problem. Just don't go installing business apps and other stuff ^^

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Re: Purpose built computer based music players
« Reply #99 on: September 18, 2011, 12:41 »
In the recent review of the Meitner MA-1 DAC, Computer Audiophile prefered the USB output from SOtM tX-USB internal PCI to USB converter over AurenderS10 AES output.

Quote " Recapping my experience with the Meitner Audio MA-1, I preferred the sound quality with the C.A.P.S. v2.0 server via asynchronous USB slightly better than through the Aurender S10 via AES."

Equipment: Proprietary Music Server; TotalDac D1-Dual; Karan KAS600; Rockport Avior; Gigawatt PC-1 Evo
Software: Win Server 2012; JRiver Media; JRemote; Dirac Room Correction; Microsoft Remote Desktop
Cables: Mexcel PC9100; 2×PC7500; 7N-DA6300; Acrolink 7N-D5050III; 7N-S8000 Anniversario; Wireworld Platinum Electra7
Accessories: Proprietary, Ecophon, AuralAid acoustic panels; Novum PMR Initium; proprietary footers and cable lifters; proprietary silver grounding & acoustic devices

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Re: Purpose built computer based music players
« Reply #100 on: September 18, 2011, 12:44 »
In the recent review of the Meitner MA-1 DAC, Computer Audiophile prefered the USB output from SOtM tX-USB internal PCI to USB converter over AurenderS10 AES output.

Quote " Recapping my experience with the Meitner Audio MA-1, I preferred the sound quality with the C.A.P.S. v2.0 server via asynchronous USB slightly better than through the Aurender S10 via AES."


interesting.. still waiting for sotm's PCI-e version! been so long!

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Re: Purpose built computer based music players
« Reply #101 on: September 18, 2011, 12:50 »
interesting.. still waiting for sotm's PCI-e version! been so long!

My Sotm sata and fan filters came after 3weeks.

I didn't buy the usb PCI as i do no not use USB output but will be inteteresting to hear from your assessment when you receive the sotm usb card.
Equipment: Proprietary Music Server; TotalDac D1-Dual; Karan KAS600; Rockport Avior; Gigawatt PC-1 Evo
Software: Win Server 2012; JRiver Media; JRemote; Dirac Room Correction; Microsoft Remote Desktop
Cables: Mexcel PC9100; 2×PC7500; 7N-DA6300; Acrolink 7N-D5050III; 7N-S8000 Anniversario; Wireworld Platinum Electra7
Accessories: Proprietary, Ecophon, AuralAid acoustic panels; Novum PMR Initium; proprietary footers and cable lifters; proprietary silver grounding & acoustic devices

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Re: Purpose built computer based music players
« Reply #102 on: September 18, 2011, 13:04 »
My Sotm sata and fan filters came after 3weeks.

I didn't buy the usb PCI as i do no not use USB output but will be inteteresting to hear from your assessment when you receive the sotm usb card.
i am talking about the PCIe version which is not yet released. :) I am not keen on the PCI version as it means using an adapter for me.
i already own the sata filters.. no fans in my PC so no fan filters!
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Re: Purpose built computer based music players
« Reply #103 on: September 18, 2011, 23:26 »
Has it landed yet ?

Aurender W20
DCS Vivaldi V2
Bergmann Sleipner
VPI HRX + Koetsu + ARC phono
Gryphon pre power
ProAc Carbon 8

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Re: Purpose built computer based music players
« Reply #104 on: September 18, 2011, 23:49 »
Has it landed yet ?



The aurender? There's a showroom set at ray's

I'm listening to Lisa Ekdahl live at the olympia on it now... I do believe there's a batch that's been distributed out already.
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