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Best HT amp / Processor available now
« on: December 17, 2010, 09:54 »
I love those xxx amp vs yyy amp should I buy threads so I am starting one now.

I am quite happy with my Denon 2809 in a 7 channel with 2 subs system. The amp gives no problems. HDMI works well there is no internal fan no heat issues and it just sounds right.

But the new Audyssey XT 32 is something I want to have. 3D doesnot interest me right now. I may go to 9/11 channels but that's optional since the surround field I can create with my speakers right now is pretty fine.

So my options:

A- stick to this
B- Denon avr 4311
C- Onkyo 3008

B has blue rain and audio issues which are not resolved yet and may never be properly if you read AVS.
C cannot do 11 channels and runs hotter.
Both also rely on fans to keep their amps cool. The Onkyo is more powerful with the THX ultra 2 specs but my room is small.

If anyone knows another amp with similar cspabilities to the two amps esp the XT 32 I am open to other suggestions ?

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Re: Best HT amp / Processor available now
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2010, 10:00 »
I believe Game mode still allows OSD and jdc has had no issues with blurain in that mode on the 4311.

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« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2010, 11:56 »
TSK TSK TSK........

What happened to "Less is More"??    :)

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« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2010, 12:47 »
I believe Game mode still allows OSD and jdc has had no issues with blurain in that mode on the 4311.

Hi Bros,

Have any owners of the 4311 complained to Denon Singapore about the Blue Rain Issue?  I had a very upsetting conversation with the service Manager where he told me that there is no such issue and he has not received any feedback from any customer.  When I asked him to read the forums he refused and brushed this as forum talk which he does not trust.  I am beyond words my brothers. 

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« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2010, 12:54 »
Bro ..
Thats volume which you have more ..
And I prefer a lower volume .. You should try it some time.

Right now I may decide to skip a generation and wait for the 4312, or see if I should go Onkyo - there is always a first time .. 
TSK TSK TSK........

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« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2010, 13:11 »
Bro
To admit is to accept responsibility which means he has to resolve it.
Maybe you can print the picture of blue rain I posted.
Do you have it?


Hi Bros,

Have any owners of the 4311 complained to Denon Singapore about the Blue Rain Issue?  I had a very upsetting conversation with the service Manager where he told me that there is no such issue and he has not received any feedback from any customer.  When I asked him to read the forums he refused and brushed this as forum talk which he does not trust.  I am beyond words my brothers. 

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« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2010, 16:14 »
Hi Bros,

Have any owners of the 4311 complained to Denon Singapore about the Blue Rain Issue?  I had a very upsetting conversation with the service Manager where he told me that there is no such issue and he has not received any feedback from any customer.  When I asked him to read the forums he refused and brushed this as forum talk which he does not trust.  I am beyond words my brothers. 

Regards, Tony

is this "issue" officially acknowledge by denon? as it posted in some denon website?
if no, of course the service manager will say no issue.
if yes, can throw the article at the service manager... on the other hand, he still can claimed that the issues does not exist in local set.

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« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2010, 19:04 »
So how many 4311 owners out there?

And how many having this issue?

I've had mine about 3 weeks now and I havent seen it. (But then, I've been so busy since getting the set that I've had no time to experiment...)
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« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2010, 19:28 »
Denon SG says "huh?"
Denon owners say "oh no here comes the rain again" :)

Well I imagine they will quietly fix the next production line without admitting it, something like iPhones...

The implications of admitting mean that there is a design issue or quality problem with the video chip or board ..

Let's see ..
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« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2010, 13:46 »
Hi Bros,

Have any owners of the 4311 complained to Denon Singapore about the Blue Rain Issue?  I had a very upsetting conversation with the service Manager where he told me that there is no such issue and he has not received any feedback from any customer.  When I asked him to read the forums he refused and brushed this as forum talk which he does not trust.  I am beyond words my brothers. 

Regards, Tony
Nice to see you in AVS ;)

Anyway, I got someone to speak to a Denon sales rep, who was sent the link to XP and AVS - he claims he will "investigate" and my contact will get back to me.

Anyway the bottom line is, you can take a chance with those in the showroom right now, or wait it out.

I thought of the Onkyo but the difference in sonic signature will mean upsetting the system I have assembled for the Denon, so the name of the game is to wait and see....

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« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2010, 15:07 »
I love those xxx amp vs yyy amp should I buy threads so I am starting one now.

I am quite happy with my Denon 2809 in a 7 channel with 2 subs system. The amp gives no problems. HDMI works well there is no internal fan no heat issues and it just sounds right.

But the new Audyssey XT 32 is something I want to have. 3D doesnot interest me right now. I may go to 9/11 channels but that's optional since the surround field I can create with my speakers right now is pretty fine.

So my options:

A- stick to this
B- Denon avr 4311
C- Onkyo 3008

B has blue rain and audio issues which are not resolved yet and may never be properly if you read AVS.
C cannot do 11 channels and runs hotter.
Both also rely on fans to keep their amps cool. The Onkyo is more powerful with the THX ultra 2 specs but my room is small.

If anyone knows another amp with similar cspabilities to the two amps esp the XT 32 I am open to other suggestions ?

Cheers


Hi,

Since the thread is referring to the "Best HT amp / Processor available now", have anyone considered the Arcam AV888 or the higher range Classe SSP-800 Processors?

They are expensive but sound and look great according to reviews and can be considered the "Best" in terms of both HT & Music sound production. Like to hear opinions from fellow bros who have experience or comments on them.

Thanks.




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« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2010, 15:25 »
Bro
Unless you mean the quality of these two for music, which is not my intent and anyway for much less money you can get better musical reproduction, the two are  hopelessly outdated for HT and even at launch remember the Classe was a 8000$ processor and the issues :

shortcomings:
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While we understand the reasons Classé  gave behind the decision not to have an automatic room correction system (in short, they say that auto calibration doesn't work since every room is unique), we don't buy it. At $8000 we'd expect some sort of high-end (Audyssey MultEQ or similar) AND manual adjustments. There is also a disturbing lack of video upconversion on the SSP-800.


Hi,

Since the thread is referring to the "Best HT amp / Processor available now", have anyone considered the Arcam AV888 or the higher range Classe SSP-800 Processors?

They are expensive but sound and look great according to reviews and can be considered the "Best" in terms of both HT & Music sound production. Like to hear opinions from fellow bros who have experience or comments on them.

Thanks.




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« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2010, 15:49 »
Now as for the Arcam AVR 888 launched in 2008....

Again the same thing, if you want top quality audio, many pre-amps will run circles around it. And for a HT processor having only ONE choice of bass management is really ridiculous.

Plus the fact that the AV888 can't handle sample rates greater than 96kHz is quite sad for such an expensive flagship product which sells on audio quality.

And for my area of interest in HT, this also lacks the kind of auto-Eq such as Audyssey, twin sub outs, calibration tools and video chips that even a 1.5k Denon or Onkyo has.

Plus the fact that for both brands in SG, you will pay a price premium. That makes them unattractive even to those who have extra $$ in their pockets, unless they are keen on these brands from previous experience, or want a combined audio / HT system.

Even then, the Denon AVP-A1HDCI AV Processor will be cheaper and do better:
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AVP-A1HDCI – Powerful Audio/Video Controller Processor with Silicon Optix Realta Chipset
Following its success in Denon’s renowned DVD players, Denon has added the advanced Silicon Optix Realta chipset to its new AVP-A1HDCI, enabling enhanced video performance with upconversion and scaling to 1080p from all analog and digital sources, including the ability to use Realta Noise Reduction circuitry for 1080p input signals. This powerful chipset is just one of many advanced features that make the reference-quality AVP-A1HDCI one of the world’s most advanced audio/video controllers.

The AVP-A1HDCI features six HDMI inputs and two HDMI outputs and also includes built-in Ethernet and Wi-Fi 802.11b/g connectivity. Both network protocols allow custom integrators the ability to diagnose, correct, update and remotely perform maintenance on the units without the need to travel to their customer’s home. The SimplayHD certified AVP-A1HDCI also features DLNA and Windows Vista certification, and allows users to stream multimedia content from network attached devices including computers and the popular iTunes software as well as media servers and network attached storage devices.

Other CI dedicated-features include RS-232 and assignable high current DC trigger outputs, Audyssey MultEQ XT Auto Setup and Calibration, and the ability to use the Audyssey Pro installer package, which measures ideal sonic performance in up to 32 different positions, allowing installers to define the ultimate sound quality for virtually any size or shape room.

The AVP-A1HDCI is a multiple source/multiple zone controller processor, capable of up to four zones and providing digital output to Zone 2. Users enjoy discrete command, source select, volume, power and more in each zone. In addition, three discrete and independent tuners; AM/FM, XM satellite radio ready (subscription required) and HD Radio provide for multi-zone distribution with high quality playback and support of multicasting from HD Radio.

The AVP-A1HDCI features the company’s newly designed Graphical User Interface (GUI) that makes accessing all the advanced features simpler and more intuitive than ever.

Other high end brands include:

Anthem, Sunfire etc.

But even though they may be fine for audio, it will be the mainstream companies which can bring the latest calibration and auto-EQ software such as Audyssey XT or YPAO (Yamaha) and other such features to the masses and at a price we won't balk at.

I gave serious thought to buying an Anthem processor when I got my Marantz SR 12 (USD 5k for an example then, and 8k SRP for the Marantz), but there was not a lot more the higher end could offer in terms of HT performance.

If anyone is looking out for top drawer HT performance you need to look out for parts like:

- DSP chips of sufficient "brain power" - Sharc 32 or even 64 but processing and more than one chip to ease the computer strain for more details
- the top of the line Audssey or other such ARC (Anthem has its own)
- a good mic for calibration, most decent ones use the Audio Technica brand these days
- TI, Cirrus Logic, Sharc etc are all common names in DSP
- multiple independant subwoofer outs (not parallel if possible)
- the best video chips in the market from ABT, Faroudja etc

And for the power section or the power amp:

- a REAL 150 W or more - ALL channels driven if possible
- THX Ultra is nice but not needed if the company doesn't want to pay THX
- > 100 000 uF of capacitance - even the top of the line of the previous Yamaha amps has only 29 000. The new Onkyos have 44 000. The older Denon AVC 1 had 90000 and the Emotiva power amps exceed 100 000.
- toroidal transformers
- good caps, amp design which means NO fans, which are a cheap shortcut for good design and mean that the life of the amp is shorten
- independent amp sections for each channel
- massive cooling fins
- XLR inputs are nice.... but not a must


All these are not cheap and if you buy from specialised companies like Classe, Arcam, Anthem, Krell or even the likes of Rotel and NAD, you will pay a premium, due to the smaller numbers they make, and the lack of competitive pricing. Only one company in Singapore will carry the exotic brands, and if you want their products, you will need to cough up the dough....
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« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2010, 08:02 »
There is hope yet:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=19681078#post19681078

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Update regarding Blue Rain and Audio Loss!!!
I just got off the phone with the gentleman from Denon who has been working with me on the blue rain issue affecting my A100. Lots of interesting information to share with everyone.

First off, regarding the Audio Loss problem, he confirmed that it is being addressed with the firmware release on 12/22, so those of you with the Audio Loss problem can look forward to a fix later this week.

They have also identified a manufacturing defect that is causing the blue rain problem. This defect is limited to a certain production run of HDMI/video boards and they hope to have a list of the affected serial numbers identified by next week at the latest. It is a defect that will require the unit being serviced. He didn't have an exact date on when the replacement boards would be available in the states, but estimated in the next week or two. He is going to contact me once the boards are available, and I will pass this information along once I receive it.

To me, this is all very positive news. It's unfortunate that it will require a trip to the service center to resolve the blue rain issue, but it's very encouraging that they were able to identify the cause and a resolution is at hand.
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« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2010, 15:26 »
My "research" over the last week has lead me to ..... Marantz SR7005 :)  :)  :)

Fr the AVS forum, it has one of the shortest threads, i.e. the least complains .....

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