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Re: are there nottingham analogue owners here?
« Reply #15 on: June 19, 2010, 12:33 »
Read that Tom Fletcher designs Nottingham tt to be used with unipivots. You can call them to ask more. Strangely they don't seem to have an email contact. Pm me if you want the Uk number.

Interesting. Ironically, the Space arm is not a true unipivot. It was at one stage but NA replaced the pivot with a tiny bearing instead. Yes, I actually took one apart to see how it worked. ;D Just as the Wilson Benesch Act 2 is not a true unipivot. They had also briefly dabbled with a parallel tracker called the Paragon.
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Re: are there nottingham analogue owners here?
« Reply #16 on: June 19, 2010, 12:46 »
i am puzzled. ???

just 3 weeks ago, i ran into our friendly neighbourhood SIA steward.

he told me how he got rid of his SME and nottingham (the very same unit the thread starter is using), and is now using a refurbished Lenco.
after clean up and realignment, the whole Lenco TT cost only around $1K
he said this Lenco setup is the best that he has ever heard, and that he is so relived to have wakened up, and be able to get rid of his previous TTs.

either this man is deluded or we are missing something here?

has anyone heard his Lenco setup yet? if this TT is as good as he claims, i wanna have one too!!! seriously.

If this is true then I'm rich!!!!! I've got more than one Lenco L75!  ;D

To be honest, the Lenco is no big a deal. What's got going for it is a stonkingly humungous AC motor that is bigger than the Garrard's. Probably the largest ever used in a commercially available turntable. Coupled via an idler wheel to a medium mass platter, you will get pretty good constant speed with low wow and flutter. In fact, the motor weighs more than the platter and body combined! Monster torque unlike the puny kit used in the NA.
Unfortunately, you will need a lot of work to get it to sing. The original plinth resonates so a very high mass plinth is required to damp all the chassis. The original arm is crappy, very lacking in dynamics due to its pretty awful bearings that deteriorate over time. What would expect if it's made of rubber? After removing the arm, the original hole is too far forward for a regular 222mm tonearm so a new hole has to be made. As a result a new arm board is needed. Then the entire chassis has to be grounded or else the steel chassis will produce a lovely magnetic field that'll cause your speakers to give you  nice 50Hz eardrum massage. Did I mention that the idler wheel is made of rubber which may harden over time?

Having said all that, it is "better" than most belt drive of its era even after refurbishment and upgrading. Overall cost? Definitely more than $1k. Is it worth it? One man's meat ....  ;D
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Re: are there nottingham analogue owners here?
« Reply #17 on: June 19, 2010, 13:18 »
...you're right. he's deluded so don't pay too much attention to what he said. the 75 is nothing special  :)

i am puzzled. ???

just 3 weeks ago, i ran into our friendly neighbourhood SIA steward.

he told me how he got rid of his SME and nottingham (the very same unit the thread starter is using), and is now using a refurbished Lenco.
after clean up and realignment, the whole Lenco TT cost only around $1K
he said this Lenco setup is the best that he has ever heard, and that he is so relived to have wakened up, and be able to get rid of his previous TTs.

either this man is deluded or we are missing something here?

has anyone heard his Lenco setup yet? if this TT is as good as he claims, i wanna have one too!!! seriously.
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Re: are there nottingham analogue owners here?
« Reply #18 on: June 19, 2010, 13:27 »
i am puzzled. ???

just 3 weeks ago, i ran into our friendly neighbourhood SIA steward.

he told me how he got rid of his SME and nottingham (the very same unit the thread starter is using), and is now using a refurbished Lenco.
after clean up and realignment, the whole Lenco TT cost only around $1K
he said this Lenco setup is the best that he has ever heard, and that he is so relived to have wakened up, and be able to get rid of his previous TTs.

either this man is deluded or we are missing something here?

has anyone heard his Lenco setup yet? if this TT is as good as he claims, i wanna have one too!!! seriously.
ashly actually had the unit rebuilt,i think. my next toy could be 1 of these ;D 
  what i'm sceptical about is his remark that the original arm is one of the best tonearms around, and it is the best for the l75
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Re: are there nottingham analogue owners here?
« Reply #20 on: June 19, 2010, 13:37 »
Read that Tom Fletcher designs Nottingham tt to be used with unipivots. You can call them to ask more. Strangely they don't seem to have an email contact. Pm me if you want the Uk number.


http://www.pinkfishmedia.net/forum/showthread.php?t=56705

http://www.vinylengine.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=16579

-Tom, Real or Rumor  ???




why is it so dam  hard to obsoleted this turning pieces of equipment ?

https://youtu.be/_sBBaNYex3E

https://youtu.be/cYLQytuZ4KA

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Re: are there nottingham analogue owners here?
« Reply #21 on: June 19, 2010, 13:38 »
Unfortunately, you will need a lot of work to get it to sing.
i questioned him at length, since i found his comments so interesting, so contrary to common knowledge.
he did mentioned about the tremendous amount of work that went into restoring the Lenco, through the help of some mysterious malay guy.
he mentioned that after trying various arms, the original arm (replaced with original and "new" bearings) still sound best.
and he also mentioned that the original resonant plinth material sounds best, against other more dampening materials touted by people on the internet.
the gist of it is - every part of this TT were designed to complement one another, so they sound together, sinergistically, greater than the sum of all the parts.
but he emphasized - that it could only have come - with the technical help of someone who knows this venerable TT design inside out, and who process all the necessary spare parts to replace the worn-out ones.
i have never seen a man spoken with more convictions. a conviction that can only have come having heard the lenco refurbished step-by-step over many agonising months, and each new stage of upgrade compared at length to the 2 other previous TTs he gotten rid off.
i think it is worthwhile to check the lenco out. don't you?
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Re: are there nottingham analogue owners here?
« Reply #22 on: June 19, 2010, 13:49 »

i have never seen a man spoken with more convictions. a conviction that can only have come having heard the lenco refurbished step-by-step over many agonising months, and each new stage of upgrade compared at length to the 2 other previous TTs he gotten rid off.


eh, don't say 'gotten rid of' ok, you make it sound like i got a bad deal >:( ::) ??? ;D the insensitivity.. ;D i'm actually very happy with the table. anyway i spoke to him at length about the l75 and it seems he likes it more for the prat and drive than other common attributes. it probably was the prat and drive of the l75  that was the game ender for him
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Re: are there nottingham analogue owners here?
« Reply #24 on: June 19, 2010, 14:05 »
I'm a current owner of the Spacedeck with a Schroeder No 2FW tonearm. I really like it a lot for its neutrality and its ability to float images from a very dark background. The addition of a Mystic Mat and a Clearaudio Synchro enhances the playback further.

Heard the Hyperspace at my friends place. Wonderful set!
i'm really piqued about the mystic mat. ::) how does the clearaudio compare to the wave mechanic?
      i'm thinking neutrality too when describing the hyperspace but strangely enough, the hyperspace in my setup isn't "dark" sonically,as most describe it over the net,some recordings do sound quite sunny :)
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Re: are there nottingham analogue owners here?
« Reply #25 on: June 19, 2010, 14:16 »
eh, don't say 'gotten rid of' ok, you make it sound like i got a bad deal >:( ::) ??? ;D the insensitivity.. ;D i'm actually very happy with the table. anyway i spoke to him at length about the l75 and it seems he likes it more for the prat and drive than other common attributes. it probably was the prat and drive of the l75  that was the game ender for him

wha. so touchy ah  :-[

i dunno. it must take very compelling reasons to give up (hope this is more sensitive wording) the 2 more expensive TTs, and suffer big $$$ losses.
that's why i'll be so interested to hear his Lenco setup, and your nottingham setup.

lacking prat and drive aside, what do you think are the saving grace of the nottingham TT he sold you?

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Re: are there nottingham analogue owners here?
« Reply #26 on: June 19, 2010, 14:46 »
Bro ical, long time no see. How are you my friend? Welcome to the world of the black pizza. Your collection of LPs is very impressive, and in such a short time too.

You are spot-on with you guess that it is a SME. You know my taste. But mine is not a standard SME 30/2 in that I changed the venerable SME V with PAD AK phono cable for a Basis Vector 4 with very good results. Much more even sounding with details and clarity. But I had to give up the superb deep bass of the V in return.

The SME 30, because of its design sounds like a LP12 on steroids. It marries the liveliness and speed of the best suspended TT, with the scale, solid imaging, neutrality and wide dynamic range of the high-mass  designs.  It matches my taste exactly in a fuss-free design (besides the industrial looks).

 
Bro, it been a long time since we last met. I've been very busy with work. Damn!! The dark side is too strong to resist.  :(

Guess we've quite similar taste. SME with Basis Vector 4??!! That's cool! Love this arm! Good choice! I believe you're the only one locally that use this combo. Now I'm looking those black beauties like SME, Basis (just love their arm and it's transparency) and Transrotor.




If this is true then I'm rich!!!!! I've got more than one Lenco L75!  ;D

To be honest, the Lenco is no big a deal. What's got going for it is a stonkingly humungous AC motor that is bigger than the Garrard's. Probably the largest ever used in a commercially available turntable. Coupled via an idler wheel to a medium mass platter, you will get pretty good constant speed with low wow and flutter. In fact, the motor weighs more than the platter and body combined! Monster torque unlike the puny kit used in the NA.
Unfortunately, you will need a lot of work to get it to sing. The original plinth resonates so a very high mass plinth is required to damp all the chassis. The original arm is crappy, very lacking in dynamics due to its pretty awful bearings that deteriorate over time. What would expect if it's made of rubber? After removing the arm, the original hole is too far forward for a regular 222mm tonearm so a new hole has to be made. As a result a new arm board is needed. Then the entire chassis has to be grounded or else the steel chassis will produce a lovely magnetic field that'll cause your speakers to give you  nice 50Hz eardrum massage. Did I mention that the idler wheel is made of rubber which may harden over time?

Having said all that, it is "better" than most belt drive of its era even after refurbishment and upgrading. Overall cost? Definitely more than $1k. Is it worth it? One man's meat ....  ;D

Bro, you help to solve the myth.  :D Hype has been surrounding it recently which also puzzled me as well.  ??? Heard it a few times but doesn't really impress me. But at that price, it a very good TT.
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Re: are there nottingham analogue owners here?
« Reply #27 on: June 19, 2010, 16:58 »
wha. so touchy ah  :-[

i dunno. it must take very compelling reasons to give up (hope this is more sensitive wording) the 2 more expensive TTs, and suffer big $$$ losses.
that's why i'll be so interested to hear his Lenco setup, and your nottingham setup.

lacking prat and drive aside, what do you think are the saving grace of the nottingham TT he sold you?


kidding la ;D the hyperspace doesn't lack prat nor drive,it is just that these are contained in the right context,eg the drummer within the soundstage. this is one of the reasons why i commented that good recordings sound live.music isn't all drive and prat,although i agree that having lots of it is pleasant to the ears,but it would be inaccurate.my roksan is like that,lots of prat and exciting to listen to and yes,its distorted,but extremely thrilling and i have to admit on rock i prefer the roksan... 8)
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Re: are there nottingham analogue owners here?
« Reply #28 on: June 19, 2010, 17:04 »
If this is true then I'm rich!!!!! I've got more than one Lenco L75!  ;D

eh, don't get fancy ideas can? ;D i most probably will buy your l75(remember our conversation down at koba?)
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Re: are there nottingham analogue owners here?
« Reply #29 on: June 19, 2010, 17:12 »

leafing through the site kinda gives me the impression that fletcher was elbowed out of nottingham analogue,but his designs look promising as per the comments
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