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are there nottingham analogue owners here?
« on: June 18, 2010, 18:34 »
do contribute what endears your turntable to you.

i'll start first:with my hyperspace,i feel that the sounds i hear with every record is what's in the grooves,nothing added or diminished. on really good recordings they sound live,good enough to fool most. the only bone i have is that this sense of realism could be slightly upped and could extend to more records.it is a machine that plays music,not one that tries to please or impress.

i'm familiar enough with turntables to agree with sound engineers that the medium is coloured(distorted) but in a very pleasant way,though i'm too wet behind the ears to say what that distortion is. the hyperspace is a rare exception(i think) and it doesn't colour the sound or the effects are diminished(i'm sure there are other names that are as good,if not better in this department).

this thread would probably get few replies as nottinghams aren't really popular :P

sh*t,it's friday night, what am i doing here at xp? ??? :P
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Re: are there nottingham analogue owners here?
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2010, 22:02 »
I used to own the Interspace, the early entry level model. Mounted an SME V on it and found out that that little baby was a bit on the warm side to my liking. Things may have changed since then as that TT was using MDF throughout. Now it is made of "Composite Wood". I wonder what MDF is called.  ;D
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« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2010, 22:09 »
i thought only the plinth is mdf(faux marble) and the rest is cast-iron/graphite composite or something? never thought to ask what it was made of. btw, what do you think of the ol conqueror? good match for hyperspace or should i look elsewhere? conqueror and space,makes my rig very star wars-like ;D
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« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2010, 22:16 »
Platter was too but then again the newer models have got something else attached to the top of the platter.

Are you referring to the AN Conqueror amplifier? Conqueror and Space more like Klingon or Kzinti.  ;D
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« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2010, 22:32 »
or the romulans 8) no, was refering to the conqueror tonearm by ol
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Re: are there nottingham analogue owners here?
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2010, 22:45 »
I am an ex-Hyperspace owner. Had it first with a Space arm, and later on a SME V. I liked the SME V more as on the Hyper, it could plumb bass depths I never knew existed. I had a Dynavector XX1 mounted,  then a Dyna XX2 mk1, and Dyna finally a Dyna XX2mk2 on it. The combination matched well and gave me hours of listening pleasure. There was pleasant coloration that made bad recordings palatable and musical.

Later on I connected a VPI SDS, and added a Mystic mat. Both pushed the performance envelope significantly. The Mystic Mat brought darkness in between notes. The SDS improved the timing significantly - especially since it allowed me to do away with the rubber belt. I used unwaxed dental floss and silk thread in place of the rubber belt. The improvement was not subtle.  But best of all was I could conveneintly play 45s. In this incarnation, the Hyperspace could rock beautifully on pop/rock as well as float notes like a feather in the breeze when in came to classical. Nothing could throw it off balance.

Finally after 5 years with the Hyperspace high-end, I pulled the trigger on my last  'table which is many times more costly than the Hyper. This is the ultimate for me, and no more TT upgrades other than the cart.. This table cost me more than an arm and a leg  - but it thrashed the Hyper in every deparment from the very first note after the needle hit .......    

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« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2010, 22:52 »
I'm a current owner of the Spacedeck with a Schroeder No 2FW tonearm. I really like it a lot for its neutrality and its ability to float images from a very dark background. The addition of a Mystic Mat and a Clearaudio Synchro enhances the playback further.

Heard the Hyperspace at my friends place. Wonderful set!

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« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2010, 22:53 »
i thought only the plinth is mdf(faux marble) and the rest is cast-iron/graphite composite or something? never thought to ask what it was made of. btw, what do you think of the ol conqueror? good match for hyperspace or should i look elsewhere? conqueror and space,makes my rig very star wars-like ;D
Keep your Moerch, IMO the notts and Moerch are match make in heaven, you are better off putting your money on your next cart. FYI the most deadly combo that I heard  was the notts/Moerch/Transfiguration Temper V and I still have wet dream thinking about the sound. :P
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« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2010, 23:01 »
There, Bro starfish said it nicely.  ;D

As for the Conqueror tonearm, I have not heard it personally but if the reviews are worth anything to go by, it should beat the NA's pseudo unipivot arms by the proverbial mile. If fact. based on the postings above, most higher range tonearms are more detailed.
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Re: are there nottingham analogue owners here?
« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2010, 00:06 »
I am an ex-Hyperspace owner. Had it first with a Space arm, and later on a SME V. I liked the SME V more as on the Hyper, it could plumb bass depths I never knew existed. I had a Dynavector XX1 mounted,  then a Dyna XX2 mk1, and Dyna finally a Dyna XX2mk2 on it. The combination matched well and gave me hours of listening pleasure. There was pleasant coloration that made bad recordings palatable and musical.

Later on I connected a VPI SDS, and added a Mystic mat. Both pushed the performance envelope significantly. The Mystic Mat brought darkness in between notes. The SDS improved the timing significantly - especially since it allowed me to do away with the rubber belt. I used unwaxed dental floss and silk thread in place of the rubber belt. The improvement was not subtle.  But best of all was I could conveneintly play 45s. In this incarnation, the Hyperspace could rock beautifully on pop/rock as well as float notes like a feather in the breeze when in came to classical. Nothing could throw it off balance.

Finally after 5 years with the Hyperspace high-end, I pulled the trigger on my last  'table which is many times more costly than the Hyper. This is the ultimate for me, and no more TT upgrades other than the cart.. This table cost me more than an arm and a leg  - but it thrashed the Hyper in every deparment from the very first note after the needle hit .......    

Based on your description, I've a feeling that your new TT is a SME. That's what I'll go for.  :)
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Re: are there nottingham analogue owners here?
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2010, 00:21 »
An arm and a leg....most probably the Walker Black Diamond 2..... :)

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« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2010, 09:00 »
An arm and a leg....most probably the Walker Black Diamond 2..... :)

The best turntable that I ever had the pleasure of listening to bar none. But no, it is not. Besides the prohibitive price tag, I do not have space for the air pump and tank assembly case, and miles of air-tubes.

Also my gut feel is that in our wonderful humid weather, there are issues with drying compressed air sufficiently over a period to prevent corrosion in the precision air-bearings of arm and platter.

And once I move the table, Mr Walker must visit me to fine tune the set-up.  :(

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« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2010, 09:11 »
Based on your description, I've a feeling that your new TT is a SME. That's what I'll go for.  :)

Bro ical, long time no see. How are you my friend? Welcome to the world of the black pizza. Your collection of LPs is very impressive, and in such a short time too.

You are spot-on with you guess that it is a SME. You know my taste. But mine is not a standard SME 30/2 in that I changed the venerable SME V with PAD AK phono cable for a Basis Vector 4 with very good results. Much more even sounding with details and clarity. But I had to give up the superb deep bass of the V in return.

The SME 30, because of its design sounds like a LP12 on steroids. It marries the liveliness and speed of the best suspended TT, with the scale, solid imaging, neutrality and wide dynamic range of the high-mass  designs.  It matches my taste exactly in a fuss-free design (besides the industrial looks).

 

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« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2010, 09:37 »
Read that Tom Fletcher designs Nottingham tt to be used with unipivots. You can call them to ask more. Strangely they don't seem to have an email contact. Pm me if you want the Uk number.

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« Reply #14 on: June 19, 2010, 12:30 »
i am puzzled. ???

just 3 weeks ago, i ran into our friendly neighbourhood SIA steward.

he told me how he got rid of his SME and nottingham (the very same unit the thread starter is using), and is now using a refurbished Lenco.
after clean up and realignment, the whole Lenco TT cost only around $1K
he said this Lenco setup is the best that he has ever heard, and that he is so relived to have wakened up, and be able to get rid of his previous TTs.

either this man is deluded or we are missing something here?

has anyone heard his Lenco setup yet? if this TT is as good as he claims, i wanna have one too!!! seriously.
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« Reply #15 on: June 19, 2010, 12:33 »
Read that Tom Fletcher designs Nottingham tt to be used with unipivots. You can call them to ask more. Strangely they don't seem to have an email contact. Pm me if you want the Uk number.

Interesting. Ironically, the Space arm is not a true unipivot. It was at one stage but NA replaced the pivot with a tiny bearing instead. Yes, I actually took one apart to see how it worked. ;D Just as the Wilson Benesch Act 2 is not a true unipivot. They had also briefly dabbled with a parallel tracker called the Paragon.
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« Reply #16 on: June 19, 2010, 12:46 »
i am puzzled. ???

just 3 weeks ago, i ran into our friendly neighbourhood SIA steward.

he told me how he got rid of his SME and nottingham (the very same unit the thread starter is using), and is now using a refurbished Lenco.
after clean up and realignment, the whole Lenco TT cost only around $1K
he said this Lenco setup is the best that he has ever heard, and that he is so relived to have wakened up, and be able to get rid of his previous TTs.

either this man is deluded or we are missing something here?

has anyone heard his Lenco setup yet? if this TT is as good as he claims, i wanna have one too!!! seriously.

If this is true then I'm rich!!!!! I've got more than one Lenco L75!  ;D

To be honest, the Lenco is no big a deal. What's got going for it is a stonkingly humungous AC motor that is bigger than the Garrard's. Probably the largest ever used in a commercially available turntable. Coupled via an idler wheel to a medium mass platter, you will get pretty good constant speed with low wow and flutter. In fact, the motor weighs more than the platter and body combined! Monster torque unlike the puny kit used in the NA.
Unfortunately, you will need a lot of work to get it to sing. The original plinth resonates so a very high mass plinth is required to damp all the chassis. The original arm is crappy, very lacking in dynamics due to its pretty awful bearings that deteriorate over time. What would expect if it's made of rubber? After removing the arm, the original hole is too far forward for a regular 222mm tonearm so a new hole has to be made. As a result a new arm board is needed. Then the entire chassis has to be grounded or else the steel chassis will produce a lovely magnetic field that'll cause your speakers to give you  nice 50Hz eardrum massage. Did I mention that the idler wheel is made of rubber which may harden over time?

Having said all that, it is "better" than most belt drive of its era even after refurbishment and upgrading. Overall cost? Definitely more than $1k. Is it worth it? One man's meat ....  ;D
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« Reply #17 on: June 19, 2010, 13:18 »
...you're right. he's deluded so don't pay too much attention to what he said. the 75 is nothing special  :)

i am puzzled. ???

just 3 weeks ago, i ran into our friendly neighbourhood SIA steward.

he told me how he got rid of his SME and nottingham (the very same unit the thread starter is using), and is now using a refurbished Lenco.
after clean up and realignment, the whole Lenco TT cost only around $1K
he said this Lenco setup is the best that he has ever heard, and that he is so relived to have wakened up, and be able to get rid of his previous TTs.

either this man is deluded or we are missing something here?

has anyone heard his Lenco setup yet? if this TT is as good as he claims, i wanna have one too!!! seriously.
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« Reply #18 on: June 19, 2010, 13:27 »
i am puzzled. ???

just 3 weeks ago, i ran into our friendly neighbourhood SIA steward.

he told me how he got rid of his SME and nottingham (the very same unit the thread starter is using), and is now using a refurbished Lenco.
after clean up and realignment, the whole Lenco TT cost only around $1K
he said this Lenco setup is the best that he has ever heard, and that he is so relived to have wakened up, and be able to get rid of his previous TTs.

either this man is deluded or we are missing something here?

has anyone heard his Lenco setup yet? if this TT is as good as he claims, i wanna have one too!!! seriously.
ashly actually had the unit rebuilt,i think. my next toy could be 1 of these ;D 
  what i'm sceptical about is his remark that the original arm is one of the best tonearms around, and it is the best for the l75
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Re: are there nottingham analogue owners here?
« Reply #20 on: June 19, 2010, 13:37 »
Read that Tom Fletcher designs Nottingham tt to be used with unipivots. You can call them to ask more. Strangely they don't seem to have an email contact. Pm me if you want the Uk number.


http://www.pinkfishmedia.net/forum/showthread.php?t=56705

http://www.vinylengine.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=16579

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« Reply #21 on: June 19, 2010, 13:38 »
Unfortunately, you will need a lot of work to get it to sing.
i questioned him at length, since i found his comments so interesting, so contrary to common knowledge.
he did mentioned about the tremendous amount of work that went into restoring the Lenco, through the help of some mysterious malay guy.
he mentioned that after trying various arms, the original arm (replaced with original and "new" bearings) still sound best.
and he also mentioned that the original resonant plinth material sounds best, against other more dampening materials touted by people on the internet.
the gist of it is - every part of this TT were designed to complement one another, so they sound together, sinergistically, greater than the sum of all the parts.
but he emphasized - that it could only have come - with the technical help of someone who knows this venerable TT design inside out, and who process all the necessary spare parts to replace the worn-out ones.
i have never seen a man spoken with more convictions. a conviction that can only have come having heard the lenco refurbished step-by-step over many agonising months, and each new stage of upgrade compared at length to the 2 other previous TTs he gotten rid off.
i think it is worthwhile to check the lenco out. don't you?
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« Reply #22 on: June 19, 2010, 13:49 »

i have never seen a man spoken with more convictions. a conviction that can only have come having heard the lenco refurbished step-by-step over many agonising months, and each new stage of upgrade compared at length to the 2 other previous TTs he gotten rid off.


eh, don't say 'gotten rid of' ok, you make it sound like i got a bad deal >:( ::) ??? ;D the insensitivity.. ;D i'm actually very happy with the table. anyway i spoke to him at length about the l75 and it seems he likes it more for the prat and drive than other common attributes. it probably was the prat and drive of the l75  that was the game ender for him
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« Reply #24 on: June 19, 2010, 14:05 »
I'm a current owner of the Spacedeck with a Schroeder No 2FW tonearm. I really like it a lot for its neutrality and its ability to float images from a very dark background. The addition of a Mystic Mat and a Clearaudio Synchro enhances the playback further.

Heard the Hyperspace at my friends place. Wonderful set!
i'm really piqued about the mystic mat. ::) how does the clearaudio compare to the wave mechanic?
      i'm thinking neutrality too when describing the hyperspace but strangely enough, the hyperspace in my setup isn't "dark" sonically,as most describe it over the net,some recordings do sound quite sunny :)
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« Reply #25 on: June 19, 2010, 14:16 »
eh, don't say 'gotten rid of' ok, you make it sound like i got a bad deal >:( ::) ??? ;D the insensitivity.. ;D i'm actually very happy with the table. anyway i spoke to him at length about the l75 and it seems he likes it more for the prat and drive than other common attributes. it probably was the prat and drive of the l75  that was the game ender for him

wha. so touchy ah  :-[

i dunno. it must take very compelling reasons to give up (hope this is more sensitive wording) the 2 more expensive TTs, and suffer big $$$ losses.
that's why i'll be so interested to hear his Lenco setup, and your nottingham setup.

lacking prat and drive aside, what do you think are the saving grace of the nottingham TT he sold you?

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« Reply #26 on: June 19, 2010, 14:46 »
Bro ical, long time no see. How are you my friend? Welcome to the world of the black pizza. Your collection of LPs is very impressive, and in such a short time too.

You are spot-on with you guess that it is a SME. You know my taste. But mine is not a standard SME 30/2 in that I changed the venerable SME V with PAD AK phono cable for a Basis Vector 4 with very good results. Much more even sounding with details and clarity. But I had to give up the superb deep bass of the V in return.

The SME 30, because of its design sounds like a LP12 on steroids. It marries the liveliness and speed of the best suspended TT, with the scale, solid imaging, neutrality and wide dynamic range of the high-mass  designs.  It matches my taste exactly in a fuss-free design (besides the industrial looks).

 
Bro, it been a long time since we last met. I've been very busy with work. Damn!! The dark side is too strong to resist.  :(

Guess we've quite similar taste. SME with Basis Vector 4??!! That's cool! Love this arm! Good choice! I believe you're the only one locally that use this combo. Now I'm looking those black beauties like SME, Basis (just love their arm and it's transparency) and Transrotor.




If this is true then I'm rich!!!!! I've got more than one Lenco L75!  ;D

To be honest, the Lenco is no big a deal. What's got going for it is a stonkingly humungous AC motor that is bigger than the Garrard's. Probably the largest ever used in a commercially available turntable. Coupled via an idler wheel to a medium mass platter, you will get pretty good constant speed with low wow and flutter. In fact, the motor weighs more than the platter and body combined! Monster torque unlike the puny kit used in the NA.
Unfortunately, you will need a lot of work to get it to sing. The original plinth resonates so a very high mass plinth is required to damp all the chassis. The original arm is crappy, very lacking in dynamics due to its pretty awful bearings that deteriorate over time. What would expect if it's made of rubber? After removing the arm, the original hole is too far forward for a regular 222mm tonearm so a new hole has to be made. As a result a new arm board is needed. Then the entire chassis has to be grounded or else the steel chassis will produce a lovely magnetic field that'll cause your speakers to give you  nice 50Hz eardrum massage. Did I mention that the idler wheel is made of rubber which may harden over time?

Having said all that, it is "better" than most belt drive of its era even after refurbishment and upgrading. Overall cost? Definitely more than $1k. Is it worth it? One man's meat ....  ;D

Bro, you help to solve the myth.  :D Hype has been surrounding it recently which also puzzled me as well.  ??? Heard it a few times but doesn't really impress me. But at that price, it a very good TT.
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Re: are there nottingham analogue owners here?
« Reply #27 on: June 19, 2010, 16:58 »
wha. so touchy ah  :-[

i dunno. it must take very compelling reasons to give up (hope this is more sensitive wording) the 2 more expensive TTs, and suffer big $$$ losses.
that's why i'll be so interested to hear his Lenco setup, and your nottingham setup.

lacking prat and drive aside, what do you think are the saving grace of the nottingham TT he sold you?


kidding la ;D the hyperspace doesn't lack prat nor drive,it is just that these are contained in the right context,eg the drummer within the soundstage. this is one of the reasons why i commented that good recordings sound live.music isn't all drive and prat,although i agree that having lots of it is pleasant to the ears,but it would be inaccurate.my roksan is like that,lots of prat and exciting to listen to and yes,its distorted,but extremely thrilling and i have to admit on rock i prefer the roksan... 8)
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« Reply #28 on: June 19, 2010, 17:04 »
If this is true then I'm rich!!!!! I've got more than one Lenco L75!  ;D

eh, don't get fancy ideas can? ;D i most probably will buy your l75(remember our conversation down at koba?)
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« Reply #29 on: June 19, 2010, 17:12 »

leafing through the site kinda gives me the impression that fletcher was elbowed out of nottingham analogue,but his designs look promising as per the comments
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« Reply #30 on: June 19, 2010, 17:41 »
leafing through the site kinda gives me the impression that fletcher was elbowed out of nottingham analogue,but his designs look promising as per the comments

I already make up my mind what made my second TT will be. ;)

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« Reply #31 on: June 20, 2010, 11:05 »

I already make up my mind what made my second TT will be. ;)


and what would that b?
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« Reply #32 on: June 20, 2010, 16:51 »
and what would that b?
If you have own NAS long enough like me and like what the notts(second notts already) can do,
You will have total faith in the man, he is a genius and from what I gather from his web video,
he is on to something.

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« Reply #33 on: June 21, 2010, 08:43 »
If you have own NAS long enough like me and like what the notts(second notts already) can do,
You will have total faith in the man, he is a genius and from what I gather from his web video,
he is on to something.


which nott do you own?can't help but wonder what the $ of the new tt would be
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« Reply #34 on: June 21, 2010, 08:51 »
any tips on slotting in a vta adjuster to the moerch arm? would the sound suffer?
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« Reply #35 on: June 21, 2010, 09:04 »
If you have own NAS long enough like me and like what the notts(second notts already) can do,
You will have total faith in the man, he is a genius and from what I gather from his web video,
he is on to something.

Keep an open mind on TT makes. There are many good brands out there that suit any budget. Tom Fletcher designed tables have their own  sound, and so do Roksans, Origin Live and Mitchells. These are all venerable british made tables that do the PRaT thing in varying degress of greatness with some compromise on scale, dynamics and imaging.

Throw in the many arms available and even more carts, and we have an infinite ability to tune a table to our respective tastes. I have been fortunate enough to listen to many TT setups. All are good or very good, but they are different from each other and it came down to personal taste. 

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« Reply #36 on: June 21, 2010, 09:43 »
Keep an open mind on TT makes. There are many good brands out there that suit any budget. Tom Fletcher designed tables have their own  sound, and so do Roksans, Origin Live and Mitchells. These are all venerable british made tables that do the PRaT thing in varying degress of greatness with some compromise on scale, dynamics and imaging.

Throw in the many arms available and even more carts, and we have an infinite ability to tune a table to our respective tastes. I have been fortunate enough to listen to many TT setups. All are good or very good, but they are different from each other and it came down to personal taste.  
it all comes down to one's disposition:whether the music is in service of the vehicle that reproduces it or vice versa. it should also come to if the playback rig serves the listener or the listener is a slave to his equipment(endless upgrades,tweakings)

that said, i'm also amenable to tweaks,but cautious,as  most tweaks effect improvements in certain areas while exhibiting new inadequacies in other departments. personally,when i find a sound/brand i like, i would keep those components for a long time ;)

how do you find the xx2 mkii?is it as dynamic as te 17d3? asking as i will be getting one soon ;D
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« Reply #37 on: June 21, 2010, 12:05 »
how do you find the xx2 mkii?is it as dynamic as te 17d3? asking as i will be getting one soon ;D

Never owned a 17d3 before. But from the few 17d3 i have listened to, the XX2 Mk 2 in comparison is a lot more well rounded in its strengths, Dynamic with great bass ... not just fast. A great cart at around S$2k.. It is VTA sensitive so take time to tune the VTA. When you hit the sweet spot, the imaging and PRaT suddenly locks in. In my case, tail slightly down sounds best.


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« Reply #38 on: June 21, 2010, 12:29 »
Never owned a 17d3 before. But from the few 17d3 i have listened to, the XX2 Mk 2 in comparison is a lot more well rounded in its strengths, Dynamic with great bass ... not just fast. A great cart at around S$2k.. It is VTA sensitive so take time to tune the VTA. When you hit the sweet spot, the imaging and PRaT suddenly locks in. In my case, tail slightly down sounds best.


thanks, i'm really leaning towards the xx2 mk ii now. just wondering, when you say tail down, it means the height at the pivot is lower than the cartridge?
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« Reply #39 on: June 21, 2010, 18:48 »
Keep an open mind on TT makes. There are many good brands out there that suit any budget. Tom Fletcher designed tables have their own  sound, and so do Roksans, Origin Live and Mitchells. These are all venerable british made tables that do the PRaT thing in varying degress of greatness with some compromise on scale, dynamics and imaging.

Throw in the many arms available and even more carts, and we have an infinite ability to tune a table to our respective tastes. I have been fortunate enough to listen to many TT setups. All are good or very good, but they are different from each other and it came down to personal taste.  
Totally agree with you brother Blue, I too have opportunity to listen to some these TT and help to test drive some of them, so to speak  :) (yes we have cross path before) so can appreciate what each component
bring to the final sound. Do not misunderstood me, I am not saying the notts or what Tom Fletcher makes is the best out there but just having a leap of faith that he has comsumate what he learn in his 40 year of TT manufacturing into his new design.


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« Reply #40 on: June 21, 2010, 19:31 »
any tips on slotting in a vta adjuster to the moerch arm? would the sound suffer?
You mean VTA on the FLY ,was thinking about those gadget
for a while but do not know anyone personally who is using them but anyway people like me will prefer to do things the hard way. :D

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« Reply #41 on: June 21, 2010, 19:36 »
You mean VTA on the FLY ,was thinking about those gadget
for a while but do not know anyone personally who is using them but anyway people like me will prefer to do things the hard way. :D


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« Reply #42 on: September 07, 2010, 09:38 »
Back to this topic for the Spacedeck... I cannot find the recommended motor distance from the platter. I remembered reading somewhere it was like 5mm - Anyone has any information on this?

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« Reply #43 on: September 07, 2010, 20:51 »
Back to this topic for the Spacedeck... I cannot find the recommended motor distance from the platter. I remembered reading somewhere it was like 5mm - Anyone has any information on this?

Thanks.

The manual states 6mm but don't get too hang up about the distances. From my experience, the correct  tautness and the general condition of the belt is more important.
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« Reply #44 on: September 08, 2010, 10:08 »
Malsound is correct. The distance of the motor pod from the chassis is less important that getting the belt to look stationary when in fact it is moving. I.e. no vibration and fluctuations on the belt visible to the eye while the platter is spinning.

The pulley and the platter groove must be perfectly in-line, and the surfaces in contact wih the belt and belt itself perfectly clean to achieve this. Use the distance between motor pod and chassis to fine tune the effect of looking stationary when in fact the belt is moving.

Remember to lock the pulley position with the supplied allen key once you achieve perfection. Due to the constantly vibrating motor when at rest, the pulley tends to slip down wards bit by bit. This re-introduces the vibrating belt visual result which means speed stability is compromised. 


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« Reply #46 on: February 19, 2011, 16:25 »
Long long ago, in a hyperspace far far away, I was shortlisting for tuntables. One of them being Spacedeck with spacearm. I'd like almost everything of it... nice sound, low torque motor, nice design, nice platter...  until spacearm came without a finger-lift...  Oops! Sorry, sayonara!   No Nottingham for me!

A tonearm without finger-lift looks incomplete to me, even though I know I can buy a finger-lift and attach to it.
Just my personal preference! ;D ;D ;D


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« Reply #47 on: April 14, 2012, 11:28 »
Thinking of changing my Hyperspace to either a Palmer, Artemis or Brinkmann... I'm wondering if this will be a real upgrade or merely a sideway move? Comments?