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Re: Marantz Owner's thread - stereo products only
« Reply #180 on: November 25, 2012, 00:20 »
As preamps can also do this with a flick of a switch

You have no idea.
aquarius knows this. He can advise what needs to be done.
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Re: Marantz Owner's thread - stereo products only
« Reply #181 on: November 25, 2012, 00:39 »
You have no idea.
aquarius knows this. He can advise what needs to be done.

Yep, the hot and neutral pins of my SA11S2 balanced outputs are reversed, apparently like all Marantz balanced outputs.  There is a reverse polarity switch but it seems to be more for recordings than reversing the polarity of the balanced outputs.

What I did was to reverse the hot and neutral pins of the interconnect at the source end.  Sounds cleaner.

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Re: Marantz Owner's thread - stereo products only
« Reply #182 on: January 04, 2013, 17:30 »
That's a little surprising.
What cables are you using and how long have you run it in?
If you just bought it, give it some time.
Very few people have said it is bright.
Sell it to me if you don't like it ...
I just bought the Marantz PM-KI Pearl Lite amp pairing it with Tannoy Mercury V1 and Revolution DC6 bookshelf speakers.
I find it on the bright side and Music not engaging.
Still thinking of getting Marantz CD player.
I am more of a DAC user via pc as source.
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Re: Marantz Owner's thread - stereo products only
« Reply #183 on: January 04, 2013, 17:41 »
I just bought the Marantz PM-KI Pearl Lite amp pairing it with Tannoy Mercury V1 and Revolution DC6 bookshelf speakers.
I find it on the bright side and Music not engaging.
Still thinking of getting Marantz CD player.
I am more of a DAC user via pc as source.

The PM-KI Pearl Lite requires a long time to run in.

Give it some time before deciding the next step.

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Re: Marantz Owner's thread - stereo products only
« Reply #184 on: January 04, 2013, 23:50 »
I just bought the Marantz PM-KI Pearl Lite amp pairing it with Tannoy Mercury V1 and Revolution DC6 bookshelf speakers.
I find it on the bright side and Music not engaging.
Still thinking of getting Marantz CD player.
I am more of a DAC user via pc as source.
get a power cord with gold plating or copper/bronze plug. it should tweak away the brightness tint away. gold plated plugs usually gives a slight warm feel to the sound.
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Re: Marantz Owner's thread - stereo products only
« Reply #185 on: January 05, 2013, 03:02 »
Yep, the hot and neutral pins of my SA11S2 balanced outputs are reversed, apparently like all Marantz balanced outputs.  There is a reverse polarity switch but it seems to be more for recordings than reversing the polarity of the balanced outputs.

What I did was to reverse the hot and neutral pins of the interconnect at the source end.  Sounds cleaner.
Sharks. I have a marantz sa11S2 on xlr and did not know it is reversed. My cables are factory terminated; how to reverse it?
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Re: Marantz Owner's thread - stereo products only
« Reply #186 on: January 05, 2013, 11:41 »
Actually, the balanced pin-out is printed on the back of the unit just beside the balanced connectors, pin 1-ground, 2-cold and 3-hot (for Marantz). I converted a pair of my Kimber Silver Streak, with the help of my friend, with Viablue XLR (bought from Audio Iconic) with Kimber silver solder. I preferred Viablue over Neutrik because they are 24 carat gold plated, probably Neutrik may have gold plated ones but I couldn't find any.

http://www.viablue.de/com/xlr_jacks_t6s.shtml

Sharks. I have a marantz sa11S2 on xlr and did not know it is reversed. My cables are factory terminated; how to reverse it?
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Re: Marantz Owner's thread - stereo products only
« Reply #187 on: January 05, 2013, 21:26 »
Actually, the balanced pin-out is printed on the back of the unit just beside the balanced connectors, pin 1-ground, 2-cold and 3-hot (for Marantz). I converted a pair of my Kimber Silver Streak, with the help of my friend, with Viablue XLR (bought from Audio Iconic) with Kimber silver solder. I preferred Viablue over Neutrik because they are 24 carat gold plated, probably Neutrik may have gold plated ones but I couldn't find any.

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I am wondering if putting on the invert phase on sa11s2 will cure the problem? 
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Re: Marantz Owner's thread - stereo products only
« Reply #188 on: January 05, 2013, 21:43 »
I am wondering if putting on the invert phase on sa11s2 will cure the problem?

Peter, yes you absolutely can... See page 23 of the User Manual;
http://us.marantz.com/DocumentMaster/US/DFU_SA-11S2_Final_eng.pdf

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By digitally processing audio signals read by this unit, it is possible to perform phase inversion without changing the tone quality.
Inverted signals are output from the UNBALANCED output connector, and the BALANCED output connector interchanges between HOT and COLD signals.
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Re: Marantz Owner's thread - stereo products only
« Reply #189 on: January 05, 2013, 23:15 »
I wonder if this needs to be done on their new AV8801 AVR as well? :(
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Re: Marantz Owner's thread - stereo products only
« Reply #190 on: January 06, 2013, 00:27 »
I wonder if this needs to be done on their new AV8801 AVR as well? :(

Nah… you're fine, the AV8801 appears to be designed with the Balanced/XLR pin out in accordance with the Industry standard EIA RS297-A specs, i.e. pin 2 hot.

Pages 16 and 31; http://us.marantz.com/DocumentMaster/US/AV8801U_ENG_UG_CD-ROM_v00.zip
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Re: Marantz Owner's thread - stereo products only
« Reply #191 on: January 06, 2013, 00:54 »
Peter, yes you absolutely can... See page 23 of the User Manual;
http://us.marantz.com/DocumentMaster/US/DFU_SA-11S2_Final_eng.pdf


I had tried using the phase invert switch - not much difference.  So I had the IC's output end re-soldered to reverse it.  Pretty drastic but sounds cleaner at the expense of the IC no longer having the original factory soldering.

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Re: Marantz Owner's thread - stereo products only
« Reply #192 on: January 08, 2013, 13:55 »
Sonically, the SA-11S3 sounds much better than the SA-11S2, with both plyaing thru the same downstream equipment & same room.
What's more, the S3 (on RCA out) sounded much better than the S2 (on XLR out).
Definitely the S3 is a much better player to me, and the sonic difference is easily heard. No need to strain ears to hear differences.
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Re: Marantz Owner's thread - stereo products only
« Reply #193 on: January 08, 2013, 19:35 »
But with +$2K premium over the previous model, better be a lot better :)

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Re: Marantz Owner's thread - stereo products only
« Reply #194 on: January 08, 2013, 20:02 »
I had tried using the phase invert switch - not much difference.  So I had the IC's output end re-soldered to reverse it.  Pretty drastic but sounds cleaner at the expense of the IC no longer having the original factory soldering.

Yeah, there could be all sorts of other effects at play I guess… it's always tricky when the manufacturers says you shouldn't hear a difference but you do… Ultimately though, just stick with whatever works for you sonically… ;)
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