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Re: Denon AV amp owners thread - info and tips
« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2009, 10:59 »
Too bad...1910 is 6.75" profile, cant fit into my TV console.  Have to continue to wait for Yamaha 665 which is 6".

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Ext inputs on the Denons
« Reply #16 on: July 04, 2009, 10:23 »
FYI:

The external direct inputs are analogue for amps up to the 5xxx series.

IE: there is no additional speaker distance adjustment or bass management etc.

Only the recent top of the line models in the 5 series allow further manipulation of the inputs. Otherwise they behave like RCA inputs.

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Re: Denon AV amp owners thread - info and tips
« Reply #17 on: July 04, 2009, 12:10 »
Too bad...1910 is 6.75" profile, cant fit into my TV console.  Have to continue to wait for Yamaha 665 which is 6".

actually have to give some more space above the amp's height. and some more i think its better to put the amp out of the console, wont restrict urself to the choices. :)

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Re: Ext inputs on the Denons
« Reply #18 on: July 04, 2009, 17:44 »
Pete - was this in response to my question in the BDP-83 thread?

Anyway, it seems as if channel level settings on the 2807 do apply even to inputs from the EXT IN analog inputs, but probably none of the other processing applies, since (for example) surround modes can't be set.

FYI:

The external direct inputs are analogue for amps up to the 5xxx series.

IE: there is no additional speaker distance adjustment or bass management etc.

Only the recent top of the line models in the 5 series allow further manipulation of the inputs. Otherwise they behave like RCA inputs.

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Re: Denon AV amp owners thread - info and tips
« Reply #19 on: July 04, 2009, 18:01 »
Yes, you can adjust gain, like most other RCA sockets. Thats it. This is still in the analogue domain. The rest are digital, so it won't work
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Pete - was this in response to my question in the BDP-83 thread?

Anyway, it seems as if channel level settings on the 2807 do apply even to inputs from the EXT IN analog inputs, but probably none of the other processing applies, since (for example) surround modes can't be set.

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Re: Denon AV amp owners thread - info and tips
« Reply #20 on: July 04, 2009, 21:51 »
From HK

I saw 4310 in a shop but no chance to audition it as it was not hooked up. Both 4308 and 4310 are priced at HKD 15000. Apparently 4308 is at a clearence price as it is an outgoing model and its replacement 4810 is probably going to be release soon. I kind of gian the 4310 but it seems like Singapore is so much cheaper at SGD 2075. Will try to see if this price stays when I come back for a short trip in Aug. Also I still have Onkyo 886 on my radar and best price is HKD 14500. I will check what is the price in SG too.
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Re: Denon AV amp owners thread - info and tips
« Reply #21 on: July 10, 2009, 15:32 »
Hi bros,

I just got one of the last few 2809 from Adelphi for $1300. Wondering if that was a decent price to pay for it. Was thinking of springing for the 4310 but count not justify the extract dollars. Am upgrading from a Yammy 1400.

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Re: Denon AV amp owners thread - info and tips
« Reply #22 on: July 10, 2009, 17:03 »
S$1309 + 7% tax for the 2809 was the best price from KEC a couple weeks ago when it was available.

Did you get it for S$1300 with tax or without? Can you PM me where you got it?

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Re: Denon AV amp owners thread - info and tips
« Reply #23 on: July 10, 2009, 17:05 »
2809 got no Denonlink.  :(   I think this feature alone is worth that $700 extra.

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Plus the missing Wi-Fi and Network Radio.......

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Re: Denon AV amp owners thread - info and tips
« Reply #24 on: July 10, 2009, 17:43 »
So you're saying 4308 for about $2075 is better value?

My summary (of parameters *I* care about - there are more differences which others may find important)

2310 : $1075 : Pre-outs + 4xHDMI in
2809 : $1309 : Pre-outs + 4xHDMI in + MultEQ XT +  (better electronics) - (availability)
3310 : $1477: Pre-outs + 5xHDMI in  - No MultEQ XT + Network
3808 : $1730: Pre-outs + 4xHDMI in + MultEQ XT + Network + Denon Link v3
4308 : $2075: Pre-outs + 4xHDMI in + MultEQ XT + Wireless Network + Denon Link v3

I'll be using only the pre-amp outs, so the power on the amp-section is inconsequential to me

The questions are:

How important relative to Network is MultEQ XT?
How important is Denon Link?

I've already decided that Wireless over Wired Network is not worth $300! :)

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Of course, all this is moot if I can't lay my hands on a 2809...then it's between the 3310 and the 3808!
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Re: Denon AV amp owners thread - info and tips
« Reply #25 on: July 10, 2009, 17:56 »
that Denon Link is the key interface between the players and the AVR. of coz only the higher range of Denon DVDPs and Blu-ray players have that. so provided you are also into getting Denon players will the Denon link be very important. (tested and confirmed with Audio)  ;)
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Re: Denon AV amp owners thread - info and tips
« Reply #26 on: July 10, 2009, 18:08 »
Consider 4310 at $2075, not the 4308. - 4310 with 6 HDMI in, 2 HDMI out, you already save some money on a HDMI switcher when 4 HDMI inputs runs out and that is easy.

Choose 4210 because of DL4.  You are using it as Pre-Amp, the more important to make sure you got DL4.  You use this to get 5.1 DSD bitstream from player to Amp with just one cable instead of the many RCAs you need for other methods. HDMI seems to have some restrictions. Plus the ability to do DBP-4010UD when it arrives in Sep 2009, jitter free Clock Control with DL-4 when playing Blu-Ray.

Read this:-
http://www.denon.com/glossary/2009/02/denon-link-4th.html

MultiEQ XT actively tunes your speaker system to take care of your room characteristics.

Network Radio allows radio staion from all other the whole + the doifferent genres of musics to be heard cystal clear.

I don't use wireless for Hi Fi myself, my amp and players are all wired to my ethernet switch.

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And most of all...the 4310, to me, is like a scaled down AVP-A1HD with power amplification, all the features I used are all there.  Unless really budget very tight, I don't recommend saving a couple of hundreds to compromise.......
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Re: Denon AV amp owners thread - info and tips
« Reply #27 on: July 10, 2009, 22:56 »
4308 : $2075: Pre-outs + 4xHDMI in + MultEQ XT + Wireless Network + Denon Link v3

u got it wrong already, 4310 is $2075, 4308 is much more than $2075. 4310 has no wireless, 4308 has.

purely as preamp, definitely go for the 4310 for the DenonLink4 since 4308 costs more and has only DenonLink3.

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the 4310, to me, is like a scaled down AVP-A1HD
no lah 4310 not even close to AVP. Ur avp each channel EACH +/- output is completely independent and differential!  4310/08 is one chip drive one full channel non balanced design. Not even the same class  :)

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Re: Denon AV amp owners thread - info and tips
« Reply #28 on: July 11, 2009, 09:56 »
no lah 4310 not even close to AVP. Ur avp each channel EACH +/- output is completely independent and differential!  4310/08 is one chip drive one full channel non balanced design. Not even the same class  :)


This is what I said:-
And most of all...the 4310, to me, is like a scaled down AVP-A1HD with power amplification

Scaled down AVP-A1HD means, it is NOT in the same class already. Obviously, a component costing more than 3 times would have something racically different, like what you mentioned, balanced circuitry.

ANd I continue to explain why I felt that way:
all the features I used are all there.  Unless really budget very tight, I don't recommend saving a couple of hundreds to compromise.......

Features that can be found on the AVP-A1HD, are available on the 4310 but not on the lower models. Denon Link 4, jitter free control control Blu-Ray Playback, 6 HDMI in, 2 HDMI out etc  etc, makes this unit feels like an AVP-A1HD.

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Re: Denon AV amp owners thread - info and tips
« Reply #29 on: July 12, 2009, 00:09 »
4310... hmmz...  another plunge towards SACD playback...  ::)
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