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Thiel Speakers Owners' Thread
« on: April 06, 2009, 02:17 »
I think it's time to update these pics. Eh Audio, please post your new pics so I can update

1. Audio

CS3.7 + MCS1 (surrounds) + MCS1 (centre) + SS2 + S1 sub integrator

Sources:
Denon A1UD via Denon Link4 to Denon AVP-A1HDA. 
Bel Canto CD2
Bel Canto DAC3.5
Bel Canto VBS-1

Bel Canto Ref1000 x 3 power amp for front L/C/R. 
Bel Canto M300 x 2 power amp for surround 

Interconnects
DenonLink4/HDMI from A1UD to A1HDA
AES from CD2 to DAC3.5 - Silversmith
XLR from DAC3.5 to REF1000M
RCA from A1HDA front LR to REF1000M - Silversmith
XLR to C REF1000M/M300 - Silversmith XLR
XLR to S1 - ??
XLR from S1 to SS2 - ??

Speaker cables
Front L/C/R - Silversmith Audio Silver ribbon
Surround

Listening sofa is a red IKEA augmented with Earthquake amp/shaker combo.

Supported with TAOC ASR (latest version of the rack)



Kicking myself for waited this long to make the cable change......


2. jonlee
CS2.4 + MCS1 (centre)

For audio, Plinius CD-101 with Plinius 9200 integrated amp, both with Acrolink 4030 power cords.  Mogami 2803 interconnects and mogami 2804 speaker cables. 


3. DoggieHowser
Main Stereo Setup Thiel CS3.7 + 2 x Thiel SmartSub SS2 + Thiel S1 Sub Integrator
HT: Thiel MCS1 center + 4xPowerPoint 1.2 + 4xPowerpoint




Analog sources:
Project RPM10.1 evolution with 10cc evolution tonearm, Project Speedbox SE II, Sumiko Blackbird HOMC cart, bundled phono leads
Bel Canto Phono 3



Digital Sources
EMM Labs XDS1 SACD/CD Player
Oppo95
Denon DBP-4010 DenonLink4/HDMI to Denon AVR4810

PreAmp:
Audio Research Reference 5SE



Power Amp
WIP - currently Bel Canto REF1000M

Speaker Cables:
ASI Liveline

Interconnects:
ASI Liveline
Silversmith Silver XLR/RCA

HT:
Denon AVR-4810
Bel Canto REF500M powering Thiel MCS1
Wyred4Sound ICEBox MC 6xASP500 modules for surround duties
Thiel PowerPoint 1.2 for surround, surround back
Thiel PowerPoint for wide/height
JVC RS60 3D THX DILA projector
Optoma HD33 3D DLP Projector

Power:
PurePower APS 1050 x 2
Sound Application RLS-240 x 2
ASI Liveline Powercords
ESP Reference distributors, Reference, MusicordES, MusicordProES power cords

Tweaks
Cardas RCA covers,
Finite Element Pagode Signature 4 tier rack (600mm supports) redwood x 2
Finite Elements Ceraballs
Boston Audio TuneBlocks (with tungsten carbide upgrade)
Boston Audio TuneBlock S
Cold Ray x 2


4. Chewed
CS3.7 + SCS4 (centre) + CS1.6

Bel Canto CD-2,
Bel Canto DAC2.5
Bel Canto REF1000M x 2
IC is Siltech SQ-28,
speaker cable is Synergistic Research Vortex.

Home Theatre, powered by Onkyo 805, ur usual BR & HD-DVD players involved, speaker cable is Chord Carnival.

Interim setup



5. DIYer Straits
CS2.4


6 ft with 2 ft from either side walls. Also 30 inches from the back wall. Listening position is 7 ft away. This is not yet finalised as have yet to get a proper listening chair.  ;D I will probably pull them another 6 to 12 inches apart and push them back a bit. No curtains as yet as well. Still work in progress. Everything is sitting on granite slabs excess from house renovation.
Currently am listening with
Sony CDPX3000 (modded)
Customised Williamson 6B4G push-pull 7 Watter


6. Hoseki
MCS1 (L, R, C) + CS1.2 + SS2



7. Charcoal
CS2.3 + SCS2
I still own the old CS2.3 and SCS2, but they seldom sing as firstly no time and especially since I shifted the whole audio system from the hall to a small study room.

Int Amp : Accuphase E530
Amp Power Cord : DIY VDH Mainsstream Hybrid (Furutech IEC / Plug)
CD Player : OPPO 983
CDP Power Cord : DIY XLO Reference (Furutec plug / IEC)
Interconnect Cable : Transparent Audio Ultra RCA
Speaker Cable : Aural Symphonics AS-One (copper)
Listening Area (Hall) : 32 feet x 16 feet
Speakers Positioning : 5 Feet away fm rear wall, 4 feet fm side wall & 8 feet apart each other, no toe in.
Tweaks : Solid Steel H5.4, DH Cones, Linn Skeets, 

8. Jagdpanzer
Thiel CS2.4
Kimber 8TC

9. Sleepytune
Thiel CS2.4
Source:1)Shanling cda10t. 2)Ipod/Wadia/Monarchy dip/PS audio DL lll cullent curcuit level 4.

Powercord jps ac dgtl to cdp.No brand shielding pc for ipod/wadia etc...Dgtl interlink stereovox xv2,analog rca Xindax fa gold.xlr 'the music cable'.

Preamp:Bel canto pre3 .Pc xindax fp gold.xlr 'the music cable'.

Power; Bel canto ref500. pc neotech,speaker cable 'the music cable'

Powerline: xindak XF 1000.replace x and y cap to rifa, bypass power outlet with straight wire




10. shsoh


Analogue:
- Nottingham Spacedeck
- Schroeder No.2 FW tonearm
- Lyra Helikon SL cartridge
- EAR 324 phono
- Clearaudio Synchro Motor Controller

Digital:
- Wadia 23 CDP

Amps:
- First Sound Presence Deluxe MkII preamp
- Ayre V1x poweramp
- REL Stampede sub

Accessories:
- Isotek Titan Power Conditioner
- Oyaide MTB-6 R1 Distributor
- Shunyata Taipan Helix Powersnakes (15A/20A)
- Synergistic Research Reference (for CDP)
- Synergistic Research Tesla REL spec subwoofer cable
- Kimber Select KS1030 & KS3035 cables
- Symposium Rollerblocks, Ultra, Super Plus, etc
- Solidsteel Racks
- Taoc & Isoduo Jade footers
- Acoustic System Resonators, Phase Corrector & Diffuser

Next Change:
- Walker Valid Points for Clearaudio Synchro
- Upgrade First Sound preamp to MKIII


« Last Edit: February 21, 2012, 18:48 by Doggie Howser »
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Re: Thiel Speakers Owners' Thread
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2009, 02:22 »
This is what one owner wrote in the (similar) AVS thread after about 200 hours and it's what keeping my hopes up.. have only done a mere 40+ hours of running in (most of it below moderate) since I got them (worried about neighbour complaints)...

Though it's for the newer CS3.7s, I figured what he said applies to the 2.4s as well.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=13839343&postcount=331

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High
Now: Delicate and airy, lots of air, cymbal will materialize in the room and linger ever so delicately in air. No shrill, no etch.
Previously: Nice out of the box, beat the 7.2 in delicacy but rolled off too fast. Not airy enough, not open, not delicate enough.

Mid
Now : They are able to render instrument realistically now and put instruments right in the room. As the speaker opens up even more, I expect the realism to get even better.
Previous: Sweet out of the box, matches some big names I have heard, even the 7.2's, unfortunately, not realistic enough at first.

Low
Now : Integrated with the mid and high; tight, accurate, low and rich. Timing now is wonderful. It can get "low" enough to rumble underfoot (we have cement floor) but still accurate.
Previous: Nice out of the box but seemed a tad "laid back" or "slow", just a hair off pace. It also seemed disjoint at first from the rest of the sound, not well integrated.


So far, the mids and highs are pretty much as I remembered in the showroom, but the lows.. were well.. different.. guess the owner hit it right on the head: "slow and off pace".

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Re: Thiel Speakers Owners' Thread
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2009, 09:23 »
hahaha Thiels owners...
Audio got the full range of Thiels ok. center spk, rear spk, Sub also hor. dun play play...
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Re: Thiel Speakers Owners' Thread
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2009, 10:27 »
As much as I love the SmartSubs, I can't help but wonder if I'll get as good a system by getting a full Audyssey standalone box (one that does 7.1 not just the .1) with a regular SVS.

That said, the SCS4 looks interesting ;) China-sourced components (lower cost), similar coax as the Thiel CS3.7 (according to John Potis) and hand-finished/assembled and QAd in same US factory.

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Re: Thiel Speakers Owners' Thread
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2009, 10:44 »


Feel free to add on (I know some of you guys got them as center/surround as well)

1. Audio - CS3.7
2. jonlee CS2.4
3. DoggieHowser CS2.4
4. Chewed CS1.6 + SCS4(centre)
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Re: Thiel Speakers Owners' Thread
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2009, 10:50 »
Saved my pennies for years!! Fell in love with the CS2.3 coax when I first heard it. The CS2.4 is way better.

1. Audio - CS3.7
2. jonlee CS2.4
3. DoggieHowser CS2.4
4. Chewed CS1.6 + SCS4(centre)
5. DIYer Straits - CS2.4
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« Last Edit: April 06, 2009, 16:57 by DIYer Straits »
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Re: Thiel Speakers Owners' Thread
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2009, 11:07 »
As much as I love the SmartSubs, I can't help but wonder if I'll get as good a system by getting a full Audyssey standalone box (one that does 7.1 not just the .1) with a regular SVS.

That said, the SCS4 looks interesting ;) China-sourced components (lower cost), similar coax as the Thiel CS3.7 (according to John Potis) and hand-finished/assembled and QAd in same US factory.


i think Thiel have a hidden gem in the SCS4, especially if the listening area is small. I plugged it in to replace one of the 1.6, sonically it's as good. Then again my ear is not exactly the sharpest when it comes to hearing.. ;D


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Re: Thiel Speakers Owners' Thread
« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2009, 12:23 »
1. Audio - CS3.7 + CS2.4 (surrounds) + MCS1 (centre) + SS2
2. jonlee CS2.4 + MCS1 (centre)
3. DoggieHowser CS2.4
4. Chewed CS1.6 + SCS4 (centre)
5. DIYer Straits - CS2.4

Audio...I got yours correct or not?   ;D

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Re: Thiel Speakers Owners' Thread
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2009, 12:28 »
1. Audio - CS3.7 + MCS1 (surrounds) + MCS1 (centre) + SS2
2. jonlee CS2.4 + MCS1 (centre)
3. DoggieHowser CS2.4
4. Chewed CS1.6 + SCS4 (centre)
5. DIYer Straits - CS2.4

Audio...I got yours correct or not?   ;D

nope. now i remember he's got the same MCS1 as surrounds. heheh. the SS2 is what impacted me the most.

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Re: Thiel Speakers Owners' Thread
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2009, 13:25 »
1. Audio - CS3.7 + MCS1 (surrounds) + MCS1 (centre) + SS2
2. jonlee CS2.4 + MCS1 (centre)
3. DoggieHowser CS2.4
4. Chewed CS1.6 + SCS4 (centre)
5. DIYer Straits - CS2.4
6. Hoseki - MCS1 (L, R, C) + CS1.2 + SS2

Someday I will get CS3.7. 

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Re: Thiel Speakers Owners' Thread
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2009, 13:53 »
7. Clitang CS2.4 + SCS4 (Center) + CS2(sides)

I have a question, hope someone here can help. I want to get MCS1 for my center and get one SCS4 (together with my current SCS4) for my sides or back speakers. How is MCS1 compare to SCS4 for center? Is it better?

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Re: Thiel Speakers Owners' Thread
« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2009, 13:54 »
i think Thiel have a hidden gem in the SCS4, especially if the listening area is small. I plugged it in to replace one of the 1.6, sonically it's as good. Then again my ear is not exactly the sharpest when it comes to hearing.. ;D

Yeah was surprised they used such a driver on their entry level unit...

http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue36/thiel_scs4.htm

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The SCS4 starts with a 6.5-inch metal mid-woofer coaxially mounted with a 1-inch high-output tweeter—a tweeter very similar to that used in the flagship CS3.7. In fact, the mid-woofer combination is the same unit as used in Thiel's PowerPoint speaker.
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Re: Thiel Speakers Owners' Thread
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2009, 14:29 »
7. Clitang CS2.4 + SCS4 (Center) + CS2(sides)

I have a question, hope someone here can help. I want to get MCS1 for my center and get one SCS4 (together with my current SCS4) for my sides or back speakers. How is MCS1 compare to SCS4 for center? Is it better?

clitang,

the main reason i chose the SCS4 to be center speaker is i simply don't have enough space for the MCS1. ...

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Re: Thiel Speakers Owners' Thread
« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2009, 14:54 »
I think the MCS drivers are similar to the CS2.4.

And there is supposed to be a center speaker matched to CS3.7s in the works (2009 release).

I guess that puts the SCS closer to the CS1.6 in terms of matching.

That said, I remember reading that all Thiel speakers are timbre matched so you should be able to mix and match ;)

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Re: Thiel Speakers Owners' Thread
« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2009, 17:01 »
MCS1 and CS2.4 share similar coax units. The MCS1 is bit more dynamic as it uses 2 6.5" midbass/woofers as oppose to the CS2.4 8" mid/woofer.
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