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We get new members often asking for opinions and tips etc, but it if you notice very few people replying, it may be a few reasons:
a - it was asked rudely
b - there is very little information offered (most common)
c - no one has seen or used it

So how should you go about getting the best out of the pros here?

A - read the sticky in the HT section, lots of info and your question may not be the first on the issue

B - go through the FAQs

C - USE THE SEACH BUTTON

« Last Edit: February 25, 2008, 10:56 by petetherock »
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So what kind of info helps?

a - budget and what is the kind of division between source, amp and speakers -- don't forget about 10% for cables

b - music tastes -- rock, bass heavy, classics etc

c- room size

d - narrow down the choices to just 3-4 max then AUDITION, there is no point asking many times for opinions, and get confused in the end

e - Don't NATO - no action all talk. After a 100 posts some people are still talking but have yet to buy anything. If you are merely asking or wish to start a discussion, thats healthy too, but do let others know, I don't enjoy answering lots of questions on a purely speculative topic.

f - best to ask in the forum than pm. Only one person benefits from the pm. Our brothers here are highly friendly and won't bite. I am confident this is one of the most friendly forums I go to.

g - if possible send a pic of your listening room. Else tell us the room size etc

h - room treatment. You cannot simply plonk $$ on a set and expect it to sound well in any room. Then if you insist on doing so, don't ask why it doesn't sound as good as the demo room

i - bring along the right demo equipment and cds so it sounds good with your kind of music

j - when you finally decide to buy, if you have been using the services of one shop, don't go cheap and buy from elsewhere, reward the man for his services

k - 2nd hand is a good place to start for limited budgets and big aspirations

l - running in is important

m - budget for stands, cheap ikea stuff or chairs don't count, unless you are asking for poor bass and lousy sound. Why save on a pair of stands after spending thousands on a fancy speaker

n - room treatment -- cannot emphasis the importance of placement and proper setup enough.

o - attend demos, but be polite and punctual. If you agree to turn up, DON'T keep the host waiting or worst - don't show up! You will never be invited again.


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« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2008, 11:02 »
Sonic matching is very important. If you merely buy a bunch of Whxx Lo Fi recommended components and expect them to sound good, then you are in for some shoddy sound.

Some components are inherently brighter and if you know that, then choose wisely to make them sound good.

At some point you need to start, so buy one of the them, be it the amp, speaker etc and match it with a suitable mate. Bring your new component down to the other shop for a listen if you wish.

If you keep asking for opinions on how A sounds with B but you never listen to them, its NOT your ears, but someone else's opinion. Ultimately you need to decide. NATO isn't going to go much good if all you did was to sit in front of the PC and not do any legwork.

Bring a note pad, write down the aspects of the sound you liked or disliked. Come back again if you need. Avoid weekends if you wish to have an extended demo.

Some shops are more friendly than others. Eg Electrades is famous for good service. So are KEC, GP Audio etc. Some shops on the ground floor on the other hand are pretty nasty.

Once you buy, sit back and enjoy for a while before getting itchy. Buy some Cds etc

Have fun and enjoy the journey.
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« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2008, 14:45 »
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Any advice on speaker distance - how far apart between each other and to the listener? Talking about stereo setups here. Is there some kind of formula?




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« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2008, 23:04 »
More:

http://www.cardas.com/pdf/roomsetup.pdf

http://www.cardas.com/content.php?area=insights&content_id=26&pagestring


http://www.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos/speakerplacement.html

WASP technique:
http://www.tnt-audio.com/casse/waspe.html

Bear in mind if you buy a gigantic floorstander in a tiny room - very typcial in kiasu Singapore, there will be phase coherence issues and possibly a boomy bass.
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Re: Setup tips
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2008, 01:11 »
it can done with the right acoustic treatment n i really mean lots of it ;)
knoe of a fren whose rm is onli 2.5m by 3.2m i tink but the bass is
veri controlled as he has basically lined up the top of his two walls with
bass traps frm one end to the other



Bear in mind if you buy a gigantic floorstander in a tiny room - very typcial in kiasu Singapore, there will be phase coherence issues and possibly a boomy bass.
PJ - SONY RUBY VPL-VW100
AMP - DENON 3808
BD PLAYER - PIONEER BDP320
SPEAKERS - M&K S100B, M&K SUR55T, M&K SX7
SUBS - SVS PB12+/2, SVS PB13 ULTRA, SVS PB12 NSD, M&K MX150
POWER AMPS - LEXICON 312 & 212
POWER CONDTIONERS : RICHARD GRAY, HIFI TUNING,QUANTUM
EQ -  BFD DSP1124P, ELEMENTAL DESIGNS EQ2
CABLES - SYNERGISTIC RESERACH, BETTERCABLE
POWERCORDS : VAN DEN HUL, PS AUDIO, LESSLOSS, BETTERCABLE
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Sure the bass can be controlled, - most SG folks do not treat their rooms so comprehensively but those here and in echoloft are more likely to pay attention.
It still does not solve the phase coherence issues :)

it can done with the right acoustic treatment n i really mean lots of it ;)
knoe of a fren whose rm is onli 2.5m by 3.2m i tink but the bass is
veri controlled as he has basically lined up the top of his two walls with
bass traps frm one end to the other


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ok btw what does phase coherence means pete? sorry not veri gd with
technical terms ;) but my frens's rm i can say its covered fully in acoustic
treatment with diffuse n asorb materials n muz say the best stero setup
i have heard so far


Sure the bass can be controlled, - most SG folks do not treat their rooms so comprehensively but those here and in echoloft are more likely to pay attention.
It still does not solve the phase coherence issues :)

PJ - SONY RUBY VPL-VW100
AMP - DENON 3808
BD PLAYER - PIONEER BDP320
SPEAKERS - M&K S100B, M&K SUR55T, M&K SX7
SUBS - SVS PB12+/2, SVS PB13 ULTRA, SVS PB12 NSD, M&K MX150
POWER AMPS - LEXICON 312 & 212
POWER CONDTIONERS : RICHARD GRAY, HIFI TUNING,QUANTUM
EQ -  BFD DSP1124P, ELEMENTAL DESIGNS EQ2
CABLES - SYNERGISTIC RESERACH, BETTERCABLE
POWERCORDS : VAN DEN HUL, PS AUDIO, LESSLOSS, BETTERCABLE
MISC - WIREWORLD

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Check this out:

http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=51448.msg375625#msg375625



ok btw what does phase coherence means pete? sorry not veri gd with
technical terms ;) but my frens's rm i can say its covered fully in acoustic
treatment with diffuse n asorb materials n muz say the best stero setup
i have heard so far


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This thread should be a sticky. Mods??

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oic thanks pete, frm wat i heard in his rm i can pick out the different instruments
easily so i dont tink phase coherence is an issue. as in any setup i believe that
rm acoustics is king :P



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http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=51448.msg375625#msg375625



PJ - SONY RUBY VPL-VW100
AMP - DENON 3808
BD PLAYER - PIONEER BDP320
SPEAKERS - M&K S100B, M&K SUR55T, M&K SX7
SUBS - SVS PB12+/2, SVS PB13 ULTRA, SVS PB12 NSD, M&K MX150
POWER AMPS - LEXICON 312 & 212
POWER CONDTIONERS : RICHARD GRAY, HIFI TUNING,QUANTUM
EQ -  BFD DSP1124P, ELEMENTAL DESIGNS EQ2
CABLES - SYNERGISTIC RESERACH, BETTERCABLE
POWERCORDS : VAN DEN HUL, PS AUDIO, LESSLOSS, BETTERCABLE
MISC - WIREWORLD

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« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2008, 13:28 »
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« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2008, 20:37 »
If you are into smaller speakers, standmounts can be a lovely investment to get great sound in smaller spaces.

But if you spend thousands on super speakers, remembers to put at least a few hundred into stands. Using chairs, ikea stuff just does not cut it. And bookshelves are not meant for anything more than mini compo speakers.

Why spend?

Well the transducers in your speakers need a stable platform to perform well. Isolation of the speakers from the floor and even the stands with cones, blu tack etc adds to the solid image.

How about sand-filling?

The more solid and vibration free, the more solid and well defined the bass, but it also cuts on the amount too. It is arbitary and requires some experimentation on the amount of sand to fill each stand. And btw, the stuff from Changi beach is defintitely bad unless you like rust...

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Questions about pre-amps

1. If I already have a HT receiver, would getting a tube pre-amp give me "tube-like" sound?

2. Since the HT receiver is actually an integrated amp, can I use it as a power amp? Any particular inputs I should connect a tube pre-amp to?




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you can use the receiver as a power amp - use the AUX input (actually any input will work)

because the Panny digital amp does not have "pre-in" that bypasses its own preamp section, you will need to control the volume at both the preamp and Panny. could get a bit tricky balancing volume between stereo listening and movie tracks :)
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Hi,

sorry just so that I understand you correctly.

We can add a Tube-Preamp between the CD player and the HT receiver (any inputs), right?



you can use the receiver as a power amp - use the AUX input (actually any input will work)

because the Panny digital amp does not have "pre-in" that bypasses its own preamp section, you will need to control the volume at both the preamp and Panny. could get a bit tricky balancing volume between stereo listening and movie tracks :)


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You are right, you can use any input on the HT except the phono.

You don't need a preamp for cd player. It ended up as a input selector. To improve the CD sound, you should put in a "tube" DAC if you prefer "tube" sound. That will ready make a different.

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wow.. that's interesting...

if the TUBE DAC does not cost a bomb, i don't mind try.. any idea how much and where I can try to get other than EBAY and that PA place at Adelphi that has that really unfriendly sales person...

Thanks

You are right, you can use any input on the HT except the phono.

You don't need a preamp for cd player. It ended up as a input selector. To improve the CD sound, you should put in a "tube" DAC if you prefer "tube" sound. That will ready make a different.

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I'm wondering if I can start a thread on suggestions to upgrade my set-up? I'm a very new beginner, saw all the big jargons and was quite intimidated.  :)

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« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2009, 22:19 »
A can of Philip contact cleaner can be bought at Sim Lim Square level 2 - one of the shops at the back which sells RCA connectors, switches, soldering and DIY equipment.

Philips Contact Cleaner

http://www.echoloft.com/hifi-forum/index.php?topic=14450.0

http://www.sanace.com/Spray_Cleaners/spray_cleaners.html

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« Reply #27 on: February 08, 2009, 14:45 »
http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=60124.0

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Re: Marrying your HT and stereo system
« Reply #29 on: May 27, 2009, 08:48 »
Courtesy of Siriusly Cold:

http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=44149.0

1: Receiver + Stereo integrated Amp



Pro
stereo integrated amps are a dime a dozen (well almost, and even older ones are quite good sounding)

Con
two pre-amp stages will mess with the signal upredictably
controlling volume between CD and DVD listening will be a challenge

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« Reply #30 on: July 04, 2009, 22:01 »
http://www.audioholics.com/education/loudspeaker-basics/loudspeaker-impedance-series-parallel-connection-basics

Ohms Law: V = i * R where V = voltage, i = current, R = resistance (1)

This article is a good read...
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Re: Series vs Parallel
« Reply #31 on: May 03, 2010, 01:39 »
My apology for bringing up old thread.

I have been reading quite a fair bit in the forums, what strikea me when i came across following terms which puzzle me. I know and understand the terms on their own, literary, but not in hifi terms when come to description of sound characterisics. Terms such as:

- clean
- dynamic
- warm
- transparent
- laid back
- bright
- and many more

Are there any global defination of such descriptions? I mean, how does one decribe characters of sound in words? Pls enlighten.



Are there any global

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Re: Series vs Parallel
« Reply #32 on: May 03, 2010, 06:37 »
Try here bro:
http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=59608.0

Cheers.
My apology for bringing up old thread.

I have been reading quite a fair bit in the forums, what strikea me when i came across following terms which puzzle me. I know and understand the terms on their own, literary, but not in hifi terms when come to description of sound characterisics. Terms such as:

- clean
- dynamic
- warm
- transparent
- laid back
- bright
- and many more

Are there any global defination of such descriptions? I mean, how does one decribe characters of sound in words? Pls enlighten.



Are there any global
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Re: Series vs Parallel
« Reply #33 on: May 03, 2010, 23:49 »
My apology for bringing up old thread.

I have been reading quite a fair bit in the forums, what strikea me when i came across following terms which puzzle me. I know and understand the terms on their own, literary, but not in hifi terms when come to description of sound characterisics. Terms such as:

- clean
- dynamic
- warm
- transparent
- laid back
- bright
- and many more

Are there any global defination of such descriptions? I mean, how does one decribe characters of sound in words? Pls enlighten.



Are there any global

a few more definitions here:

http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=67660.0

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Nice article about speaker positioning and toe-in:
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