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Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
« Reply #1080 on: October 26, 2010, 12:52 »
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« Reply #1081 on: November 01, 2010, 11:12 »
Reds won but not a good showing, but it was the 3 pts that count. Lucas and Maxi somehow put up a good showing in this game. Torres was poor until the assist that matters.

Still not a winning team, but a mid table position is quite reflective of the current team's quality. Playing style is just plain predictable and mechanical.

RH's lack of idea and confidence was all over his body language, at one stage he even looked dazed and was even starring & looking somewhere else other than the pitch.

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« Reply #1082 on: November 01, 2010, 11:23 »
Reds won but not a good showing, but it was the 3 pts that count.


Same for all the top teams... well actually much better than some... like ManC and Spurs...
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« Reply #1083 on: November 01, 2010, 11:30 »

Game could have gone either way, well mostly Bolton's way and we were lucky to nick the 3 points.

I would like to think the players are adjusting to RH's requirement and tactics but that is the optimist in me speaking.
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« Reply #1084 on: November 01, 2010, 13:02 »
Yes doing so by clamping their own flair and creativity to suit the one-dimension style adopted by RH. It will only craft a so-so mid-table team by taking this path. I wouldn't blame the good players wanting to leave under such environment.

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« Reply #1085 on: November 01, 2010, 15:13 »

I try not to get influenced by the media herd mentality whenever it picks on one issue (for any team for that matter) and the rest just piles on top with lazy journalism.

It is all too easy to blame it on lack of money. Look at Man City with tonnes of it and if not balanced is no different from a mid-table one.

However the "give a new manager time" goodwill is running a bit thin for me now. Not that I expect swagger ala Gunners but seeing silly balls given away, lack of composure on the ball, players running into one another at times, limited variety in the approach play are but some of the few things noticeable...
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Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
« Reply #1086 on: November 01, 2010, 16:51 »
However the "give a new manager time" goodwill is running a bit thin for me now. Not that I expect swagger ala Gunners but seeing silly balls given away, lack of composure on the ball, players running into one another at times, limited variety in the approach play are but some of the few things noticeable...

ditto, ditto, ditto ditto.

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« Reply #1087 on: November 01, 2010, 19:24 »
However the "give a new manager time" goodwill is running a bit thin for me now. Not that I expect swagger ala Gunners but seeing silly balls given away, lack of composure on the ball, players running into one another at times, limited variety in the approach play are but some of the few things noticeable...

Is that a sign of the team lacking confidence, or the manager's tactics? I think the confidence in the manager will come if we win a couple more games. When things are not going well, it's easy to blame the manager, just like how I blame Rafa, but if you compare Gerrard's play so far this season, compared to the last season under Rafa, he somehow looks more energetic. And this is after a World Cup.

Perhaps he is stepping up, knowing that he needs to push the team. If that's true, then I think he is really a Captain. And Fabio should remember that, and give the England armband to him.

Does he recognise that RH needs help, and is willing to back him up till January, when (hopefully) better players will come in? I hope the owners live up to their claim of wanting to strengthen the squad, but they may be faced with questions about the quality available...

Come to think of it, so what if the players we buy are cup-tied? It's the final league position I am interested in...

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Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
« Reply #1088 on: November 01, 2010, 20:17 »
I try not to get influenced by the media herd mentality whenever it picks on one issue (for any team for that matter) and the rest just piles on top with lazy journalism.

It is all too easy to blame it on lack of money. Look at Man City with tonnes of it and if not balanced is no different from a mid-table one.

However the "give a new manager time" goodwill is running a bit thin for me now. Not that I expect swagger ala Gunners but seeing silly balls given away, lack of composure on the ball, players running into one another at times, limited variety in the approach play are but some of the few things noticeable...

Agree, got so fed up with their loose play that I hit the sack after half time.  They are no more the entertaining side I once loved to watch!.......... :P
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Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
« Reply #1090 on: November 06, 2010, 18:40 »
Maybe we should get somebody to tote up the amount of money spent by the local sports councils in training and sending athletes to the olympics for the past twenty years vs the amount of gold medals won.

What if a team has consistently been second or third in the league for the past twenty years? Or consistently reaching the finals of the champions' league? If there's a team that was placed second in the league for the past twenty years and losing finalists in the champions' league for the same period, would they be considered a failure? They would have shown a zero in trophies won.
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Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
« Reply #1091 on: November 06, 2010, 20:17 »
Not sure what you are trying to say, but I think it's a sad day on Merseyside (and a happy day for me!) when Singapore's sporting achievements are used as a yardstick for Liverpool...you're comparing a nation that - in terms of size and talent pool - is comparable to a lower league (if not conference) club to a football club that is historically one of the most successful teams in the world.



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Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
« Reply #1092 on: November 06, 2010, 20:49 »
No it's not a sad day. I think it is getting to be more positive nowadays at Anfield, just that fans have higher expectations (and less patience) to want the team to do better in a shorter time, and are getting tired of RH's limited tactics and vision.

In fact, I think the new owner is already getting very involved in mapping out sustainable improvement/ recovery for the club. Their appointment of Comolli is already a great step in the right direction, setting a very objective tone for the future... well, despite the fact that RH does not swallow it well.

Waiting to see more positive steps by NESV.

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Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
« Reply #1093 on: November 06, 2010, 21:07 »
Alamaks, ok simple translation  ;D : table shows money spent vs trophies won - is it  fair indication of team performance? Liverpool were 2nd 2 seasons ago, finalists in cl '06 but it bears no weight on the results of that table .. ie even if Spore won ten silvers in the last five olympics, the result would've shown zero results for ?999million spent
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Steven Gerrard: It's been the worst year of my career
« Reply #1094 on: November 07, 2010, 18:18 »
A True Liverpool Captain, taken from "Mail online"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1327299/Steven-Gerrard-Its-worst-year-career--new-owners-rebuild-Liverpool-fortress.html

When Steven Gerrard steps out of the confines of the Anfield tunnel this afternoon to be greeted by a sudden explosion of noise from his worshippers on the Kop, it will be like waking from a long, dark nightmare.
There may be no guarantee that the promises of new owner John W Henry will ultimately prove any more valuable than those given by the previous regime of Tom Hicks and George Gillett, but at least this is the dawning of a new era at Liverpool. And it is one that Gerrard, in particular, welcomes after the exhausting trials and tribulations he and the club have endured in recent.

Of all the countless meetings and discussions Henry undertook on last week’s whistlestop tour to England, none will have been more important than the private time he spent with Gerrard, not only the current Liverpool captain but also one of its greatest ever players and a genuinely iconic figure in the city.
Henry got a taste of what Gerrard can do for a community when he witnessed the player’s hat-trick against Napoli in the Europa League on Thursday night, but that was merely an hors d’oeuvre for the main event, today’s visit from Premier League champions Chelsea.

It promises a spine-tingling atmosphere at Anfield that may well remind Henry of the night his Boston Red Sox finally reclaimed baseball’s World Series crown after 86 years.
For Gerrard, meeting Henry this week and having the opportunity to put forward his thoughts on Liverpool’s future represents closure on the darkest period in his career. Now there is something to look forward to, he is able to reflect on the past for the first time.

‘I think the past year have been the most difficult for me since I was 18 and broke into the first team,’ admitted Gerrard. ‘It’s been a difficult time to be a Liverpool player. We finished seventh in the League and there was all the stuff going on off the pitch. You would hear rumours that the takeover was going to happen, then it didn’t, and it messes with your mind.
‘Your mood swings when you hear different news at different times. I was always kept updated and told to be patient and, in the end, the takeover did happen. The debt has gone off the club, and as people say, it is a new era with new owners, a new manager and results are starting to turn and improve. So, yeah, I’m a lot more confident that things will be brighter moving forward.’
Henry has been outlining his vision for the club this week, stressing the need to build a younger team and develop a system whereby Liverpool can develop the stars of tomorrow.
As a local boy with the club’s best interests at heart, Gerrard is clearly a supporter of any strategy which will help safeguard Liverpool’s long-term position among the elite clubs in Europe.
But there is one proviso. Having turned 30 in May, the inspirational midfielder knows the clock is ticking on his own career, particularly with regard to winning that first Premier League title. While the long term is vital to Liverpool, he clearly hopes for selfish reasons something can be done in the short term so he can feel the benefits as well as the man who succeeds him as captain.
‘I’m not naive enough to think it’s all about me or other players coming towards the final part of their careers. This club will be here for many years so I think the right thing is to build for the future, bring young talent in, sort the scouting system out from top to bottom and, in my opinion, merge the Academy and Melwood, where the first team train.
‘From a selfish point of view, I also want a short-term fix. I think the Americans have got the right idea to build a platform for this club for many years to come but, of course, when I speak to them, I’m going to be wanting the quick fix. I’ve got four or five years left at this level and I want to win trophies before I finish, because that’s what I go to work for.’
When Gerrard made his debut 12 years ago this month, there were major concerns that the gangly teenager was growing too quickly and would always suffer from injuries. Gladly, such fears did not materialise and he is regarded as the club’s greatest ever player alongside Kenny Dalglish.
The force of nature that almost single-handedly led Liverpool to the Champions League in Istanbul is also evident off the field. Gerrard sees his status as captain as more than window dressing and welcomes the chance to put his ideas to the club’s New England bosses.
In particular, he is a keen supporter of team-mate Jamie Carragher’s idea that the club’s Academy, based on the outskirts of the city in Kirkby, should move to West Derby, where Liverpool’s first-team train.
Gerrard believes that rubbing shoulders with the established players will help inspire the club’s next generation of stars, as he was inspired himself.
‘I think it is a fantastic idea. What helped me get to this level when I was growing up was watching the first team train, having a chance to go to Melwood and seeing the players that I looked up to and dreamed of playing alongside.
‘The kids don’t see Fernando Torres now, they don’t see Jamie Carragher, they don’t see me. They see us once or twice a year when they should be seeing us every day. We want to see them, speak to them, see what is there and help them. It certainly helped me having the likes of Jamie Redknapp, Robbie Fowler, Steve McManaman about. I was in awe of them and wanted to join them. Eventually I got there through seeing them every day and wanting to have what they had.’
That is for the future, though. Right now, Gerrard has to be concentrated on Chelsea, a club he nearly joined in 2005 after a contract wrangle saw him nearly quit Anfield shortly after winning the Champions League.
Since Gerrard chose to stay, Liverpool have won a single FA Cup compared to Chelsea’s two titles and two FA Cups, though both clubs have also reached a Champions League final.
But the Liverpool captain doesn’t have any regrets, as long as the team can use their recent run of three wins in a row to put the early-season doldrums — they were in the relegation zone for a fortnight — behind them.
‘There have been opportunities in the past to move on, Chelsea and other times as well, but I love this club,’ added Gerrard. ‘But I wouldn’t call it a sacrifice. Playing and captaining Liverpool is more living a dream than making a sacrifice. I want to stay and be successful because when that day comes, I know it will mean an awful lot more to me. I love it here.
‘As a young kid, I used to come to European nights at Anfield and dream of playing in front of this crowd and winning big games.
‘We’ve had a really difficult start to the season. It has been a shock to a lot of people, me included. It’s going to be a building process to get back up where we want to be. We’re not there yet but things are certainly on the way up if you look at the past four performances.
‘After the World Cup, the start we had was exactly what I didn’t need personally and it wasn’t what the club needed. But we can certainly recover.
‘I wouldn’t like to say we have definitely turned the corner but we’re certainly on our way round.
‘We go into the Chelsea game with growing confidence. They are the best team in the country and have set the standards ever since Roman Abramovich has come in and built his team.
‘We are aware of the challenge but so will they be. They’ve had big tests at Anfield over the past five or six years and they are in for another big test on Sunday.
‘We’re glad to put the ownership turmoil behind us. Myself and the other lads never used it as an excuse because it’s the easy way out to lose a game and then say, “Yeah, let’s blame Tom and George”.
‘But Liverpool football club is not about headlines on the front pages. Certainly since I have supported the club, it has always been about good things on the back pages, and that’s what we want to get it back to.