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Re: NAS for streaming movies and music
« Reply #30 on: March 14, 2020, 21:10 »
Interestingly I have even more queries with Jag and Sigurros shared your views, really good discussion for benefit of all.

1) If my QNAP 873 spoilt in future, but HDD intact, can I get another QNAP 8 bay, put back the HDD inside and get back my data?

2) Why creating more Volumes will help instead of creating a single volume?

I'm not a NAS expert. There are many more NAS experts than me here. But here's what I feel:

1) If the NAS (say PSU or the NAS motherboard) goes kaput, the NAS companies will claim that the future models will be downward compatible with older NAS models. How true that is anybody's guess. I don't have faith in anybody's promises when it comes to my family's valuable photos and docs. Technically, yes you can put the intact HDDs into a new 873. In reality, when a NAS is faulty, there is a finite chance that the HDD circuits were also damaged beyond repair.

2) I have 1 volume per disk.

That said, I'm sure there are better ways than my practise...
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Re: NAS for streaming movies and music
« Reply #31 on: March 15, 2020, 12:34 »
1) If the NAS (say PSU or the NAS motherboard) goes kaput, the NAS companies will claim that the future models will be downward compatible with older NAS models. How true that is anybody's guess. I don't have faith in anybody's promises when it comes to my family's valuable photos and docs. Technically, yes you can put the intact HDDs into a new 873. In reality, when a NAS is faulty, there is a finite chance that the HDD circuits were also damaged beyond repair.

This underscores what I feel is the biggest risk in using such NAS. If the motherboard goes kaput and the NAS company has moved on, the entire array is at risk. You can't even restore your data due to the way actual RAID implementation can differ between companies.

Instead, I use a server PC and a 'RAID' software called 'unraid' which essentially treats the array as "just a bunch of discs" - JBOD. Each disk in the array can be a different size, and they can be removed and accessed individually in a PC.

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Re: NAS for streaming movies and music
« Reply #32 on: March 15, 2020, 12:42 »
Instead, I use a server PC and a 'RAID' software called 'unraid' which essentially treats the array as "just a bunch of discs" - JBOD. Each disk in the array can be a different size, and they can be removed and accessed individually in a PC.

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Re: NAS for streaming movies and music
« Reply #33 on: March 15, 2020, 14:57 »
This underscores what I feel is the biggest risk in using such NAS. If the motherboard goes kaput and the NAS company has moved on, the entire array is at risk. You can't even restore your data due to the way actual RAID implementation can differ between companies.

Instead, I use a server PC and a 'RAID' software called 'unraid' which essentially treats the array as "just a bunch of discs" - JBOD. Each disk in the array can be a different size, and they can be removed and accessed individually in a PC.

So is it considered RAID with redundancy? What happened if any of the disc spoilt? Can the data be auto recover once you replace the spoilt docs?

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Re: NAS for streaming movies and music
« Reply #34 on: March 15, 2020, 22:02 »
Hi.
If i may ask, any reason for not considering Asustor?

I am reading up on the NAS, and similarly will be using Zidoo or Zappiti media players

Thanks

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Re: NAS for streaming movies and music
« Reply #35 on: March 15, 2020, 22:21 »
I have never encountered any issues to migrate the hard disks from old NAS to new NAS so long one stick to same number bays and brand via direct swap. Since 2007 till date, only my 4 bays NAS failed once after 8 years due to PSU failure. All I did is put the hard disks in accordance to the respective slot as is and my NAS is back online. That is my experience with Synology so I will not speak the same for Qnap.

If one want to do JBOD via computer, the risk is there too, once the server is down, one need to factor in installation, troubleshooting etc. A standalone NAS will excuse one who is not savy in IT and recover at ease.

For precious data stored in NAS, DO RAID 10 under 4 hard disks, then follow by external backup or cloud backup like AWS. The key reason for NAS is one is able to access/download/upload files easily anywhere, shared files with family members at easily. At the same time, playback video and music con-currently via standalone app.

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Re: NAS for streaming movies and music
« Reply #36 on: March 16, 2020, 09:21 »
So is it considered RAID with redundancy? What happened if any of the disc spoilt? Can the data be auto recover once you replace the spoilt docs?
You can configure for one or two parity discs, so it has similar redundancy protection. If any of the disc is spoilt, same as any RAID. Replace and it would rebuild.

It supports standard PC components (software and hardware), so I can run 10Gbe, run a Roon server, torrent, amongst many other things on the same PC.

It does require more IT knowledge, so your mileage would vary.

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Re: NAS for streaming movies and music
« Reply #37 on: March 16, 2020, 09:27 »
I have never encountered any issues to migrate the hard disks from old NAS to new NAS so long one stick to same number bays and brand via direct swap. Since 2007 till date, only my 4 bays NAS failed once after 8 years due to PSU failure. All I did is put the hard disks in accordance to the respective slot as is and my NAS is back online. That is my experience with Synology so I will not speak the same for Qnap.

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My first NAS is the Synology DS1010+ and is still in perfect working condition with 6 monthly maintenance schedule till to-date. The only problem encountered are 3 HDD failures which was replaced without any loss of data. All HD media migrated to DS1515+ with DX511 five years ago.

Currently the DS1010+ is dedicated solely for CCTV recording, streaming music and backup for documents (photos, etc) from iMac and Windows PC due to the slower processor.

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Re: NAS for streaming movies and music
« Reply #38 on: March 16, 2020, 23:10 »
Yup, on top of that, so long both NAS are on same OS version, generally is very safe as per Synology. HDD failures are unavoidable be it hosted in NAS or desktop. From my experience, 7200rpm yields a better longevity than 5400rpm; likewise enterprise drives if one has the budget. Ditto re the migration, so much easier to migrate via Rsync, so long you point it to the correct storage pool, it is very straight forward. For one with multiple NAS at home, can even allocate a small part of the storage pool to backup precious data before moving to external/cloud backup.

Save the hassle over direct drag and drop transfer as migration - it is a painful manual process. Also, uplift the stress load of the desktop and allows one to use the system as ease. Avoid kid mistakenly cancel the process too! Nowadays, NAS has support of 10Gbe so it can blends into the home IT infrastructure easily assuming one has bumped up router and switch with 10Gbe respectively.

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Re: NAS for streaming movies and music
« Reply #39 on: April 13, 2020, 22:38 »
Thanks for all the help so far.

With the current situation of Covi-19, I finally has chance to sit down and setup the new QNAP TS-873 I got it off Amazon Sg last month.

I bought 4 WD Red 10TB on top of the Seagate Ironwolf Pro 10TB I bought it last year, with RAID 5 setup I am getting 40TB of storage right now. I guess it is a bad idea to mix two different brand/models HDD but I happen to come across a deal to get 4 brand new WD Red 10TB at discounted price so I bite the bullet.

First test was to make sure my HT room can stream UHD without any lag. I used Netgear Orbi mesh network router, one main unit match with one satellite unit. My QNAP directly connecting to my main unit with LAN cable while my HT room Zidoo Z9S originally connect to the satellite unit via WIFI. Initial test with Star War Force Awaken, it was fine, streaming not lag but later on test with Shazam which has very high bit rate, unfortunately the lag come in. Eventually I had to move Orbi satellite into HT room and use cable direct connect then resolve the issue. Tested all UHD play without any lag, very happy but I have to sacrifice my house other area network coverage to achieve this, so I need to consider to add one more Orbi satellite in the future.

Next test out my Blusound streaming with my music library, it work flawlessly also and to my surprised, the loseless ripped from CD sound quality is much better than the spotify premium that I have been using all this while before streaming from my QNAP library.

All in all, very very happy with the purchase of my QNAP TS-873 NAS. It give me a peace of mind, knowing any breakdown of a single harddisk wont have an impact on my precious data. I used it to backup my work, document, camera photos as well.

Much work still have to do next:

1) To setup cloud access so that in future I can access my NAS content outside of my home network.

2) So far I am very happy with direct streaming of my music library. I do not understand what other benefit of Roon will bring, although my QNAP and Blusound both support it. Therefore, still haven't make up my mind to setup Roon for music streaming or not.

3) To add a fan for my QNAP 873 because I put it in a cabinet without ideal ventilation, so now I have to turn the fan power to quite high in order to cool down the CPU and HDD.

4) I still need one more 10TB of HDD to consolidate all my movies and music collections. I have 6 external HDD now so probably will keep 2 for now until I get another 10TB and sell the rest. Anyone interested in getting external HDD with full loads of UHD movies or demo materials or korean drama can look out in planet sales later after Covi-19 CB lifted.

5) I have huge movies collections so now Zidoo HomeTheater showing many pages although I have made the icons smaller. I still need to see how can I organize it better. Say 4k UHD, Demo materials, Drama, TV show, normal bluray, etc. So far I see Zidoo can do some filtering but I hope I can categorize the collections myself. In this area I played awhile until now I havent found good solution. Zidoo also failed to recognize some of the files I have, say the Mocking Jay part 1 and part 2, the part 2 is mistaken as part 1 and the actual part 1 never show. I still need to figure out how to improve Zidoo accuracy on recognizing the movie titles.

All in all, still very happy as main objectives of data backup, streaming movies and musics have already achieved. The rest are good to have, much appreciated if any of you has advice on above 5 points.
« Last Edit: April 13, 2020, 23:31 by FookLai »

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Re: NAS for streaming movies and music
« Reply #40 on: May 18, 2020, 16:50 »
Will address just 1) and 2). Setting up cloud access is quite easy with the QNAP apps on my iPhone. I use QManager, QFile an Vmobile. QManager is to maintain, monitor the NAS e.g., observe hacking attacks, which come from time to time. I use QFile to browse files, but its video playing abilities are somewhat limited, so for playing media, I use NPlayer, which works well with QNAP. Finally, I use Vmobile to control the various internet cameras in my house, which record to the QNAP NAS. Playback software is very good. My main advice is to make sure you set up 2FA when you do remote access. I use the Google Authenticate app and I think everything is very secure.

2) Since you are using Bluesound in a single room, there is no real need for Roon, since Bluesound's app is pretty good and well organized. Roon is if you want control over multiroom listening with more control with a variety of different streamers and DAC. You have MQA with Bluesound as well as Amazon UHD music support, so Roon doesn't bring that much to the table. But if you start putting music all over the house with a bunch of different equipment then at least you know that Roon runs on the NAS. Unfortunately price of Roon has also risen by USD200

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Re: NAS for streaming movies and music
« Reply #41 on: May 19, 2020, 14:38 »
Thanks tsammyc, I managed to setup the cloud access and able to use QManager as well as QFile too on my S10. Shall take your advice to setup the 2FA too, will try it out later.

Yes, guess no need for me at this moment to use Ron.

 

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