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NAS for streaming movies and music
« on: February 12, 2020, 11:41 »
bro, late to the games, I am looking to build a NAS to stream movies and music. I have been using external harddisk to play movies with my Zidoo.

My setup as follow:

1) My desktop PC in my study room is wirelessly connected to Netgear Orbi mesh wifi.
2) My HT is in dedicated HT room wirelessly connect to my Orbi satelite unit. (This is where Zidoo is)
3) I have a second setup in living room which I like to play music via streaming as well. (I plan to buy bluesound node 2i for streaming spotify, BT music and NAS music files)

Now looking to get a NAS where I can connect to my Orbi main unit then
a) Copy UHD/Bluray iso and music files from my desktop PC to NAS wirelessly.
b) Zidoo to play movies and musics in HT room
C) Bluesound to play music files in living room. 

Now the most important question is what is the NAS you guys would recommend to buy that would not burn a hole yet can fit this purpose?

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Re: NAS for streaming movies and music
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2020, 11:47 »
 :) following your thread. i myself late bloomer in this. i have always bought CDs and BR discs. guess its time.
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Re: NAS for streaming movies and music
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2020, 12:13 »
Either get Synology or QNAP.

Been using Synology for years and has been great.

The next question will be the amount of storage you need depending how much media you have or gonna have in the future. But remember, a NAS is not a backup solution.

Since you using Zidoo, thus the NAS need not do all the decoding etc.

You can use this calculator

https://www.synology.com/en-sg/support/RAID_calculator

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Re: NAS for streaming movies and music
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2020, 13:59 »
Either get Synology or QNAP.

Been using Synology for years and has been great.

The next question will be the amount of storage you need depending how much media you have or gonna have in the future. But remember, a NAS is not a backup solution.

Since you using Zidoo, thus the NAS need not do all the decoding etc.

You can use this calculator

https://www.synology.com/en-sg/support/RAID_calculator



I am thinking to get a Synology too but unsure how should I pick a model. Beside the storage size, what else to look at for connection with my desktop and Zidoo? What kind of software to use in Zidoo? I heard some people using Plex?

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Re: NAS for streaming movies and music
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2020, 14:15 »
I am thinking to get a Synology too but unsure how should I pick a model. Beside the storage size, what else to look at for connection with my desktop and Zidoo? What kind of software to use in Zidoo? I heard some people using Plex?

Synology itself does have a Plex media server app with their DSM.

Not too worry so much.

Most important is to calculate the storage you need for now and in the future.

I'm running a NAS which allows me to add expansion module like the DX models for future expansion.

The software used by Synology, DSM, is very user friendly.

For zidoo, with their home theatre app, just need to either samba/NFS, the zidoo will detect the media files from the folders in the NAS.

I don't use plex at all for zidoo but Plex is good for smart tv or mobile devices.

Even for Apple TV, i use infuse.

Further, there are many bros here willing to assist if you need. :)
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Re: NAS for streaming movies and music
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2020, 14:27 »
Do you mean that any Synology NAS model will do the job just fine? Even very old model 2 bay on sale at second hand also can do the job just fine?

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« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2020, 14:35 »
For Synology, better to get the + models.  They are faster.

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Re: NAS for streaming movies and music
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2020, 15:15 »
Do you mean that any Synology NAS model will do the job just fine? Even very old model 2 bay on sale at second hand also can do the job just fine?

If money not the issue, as bro arsene mentioned, get a + model for better specifications.

Of course, you can get a 2nd hand model, but depends on the specs and the risks of it being 2nd hand.

I'm using a 4 years old model DS1515+. This model came with 2GB ram which i upgraded to 8GB myself. No issue so far.

but i started from a 2 bay to a 4 bay then to this 5 bay with the DX213.

So if depends on your consumption and requirements.

https://www.synology.com/en-global/support/nas_selector

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Re: NAS for streaming movies and music
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2020, 16:49 »
Noob question: why can't we connect a HDD to the home router and share media files with DLNA devices?

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Re: NAS for streaming movies and music
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2020, 16:54 »
Most NAS will fit your bill. Qnap & Synology are the most reliable. I have at a QNAP TS453Be, which has a Celeron processor and a 10 Gbit Ethernet support, which is a few years old. In the past Synology software was a bit more reliable and easy to use than QNAP, but QNAP has caught up and there is little difference between them. Generally, I've found QNAP to be cheaper, and there are very good prices on amazon.sg. If you a a Prime member ($2.99 per month), there is free shipping to Singapore. If you are running music off your server, you might want to look at running Roon on your NAS, which works well with the Bluesound Node 2i. Roon requires a fairly powerful processor in the NAS, which normally means an expensive NAS, but the QNAP TS-473 is a relatively inexpensive NAS that supports Roon fully with a powerful AMD R Series Quad Core processor, yet is fairly inexpensive. The other nice thing about the TS-473 is that it has two PCIE expansion slots that give you flexibility for the future. For example, you can put in a 10 gigabit LAN card or future high speed WiFi cards. You can even put in a Nvidia GEForce 1030 card and connect it directly to your display with full 4K transcoding support. A powerful processor and expansion slots means a long lifetime for the NAS possibly into 8K and beyond.

https://www.amazon.sg/QNAP-TS-473-4G-US-IP-SAN-Quad-core-10G-Ready/dp/B07BMYKYKJ/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=qnap+ts-473&qid=1581496680&s=gateway&sr=8-1

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Re: NAS for streaming movies and music
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2020, 17:02 »
Most NAS will fit your bill. Qnap & Synology are the most reliable. I have at a QNAP TS453Be, which has a Celeron processor and a 10 Gbit Ethernet support, which is a few years old. In the past Synology software was a bit more reliable and easy to use than QNAP, but QNAP has caught up and there is little difference between them. Generally, I've found QNAP to be cheaper, and there are very good prices on amazon.sg. If you a a Prime member ($2.99 per month), there is free shipping to Singapore. If you are running music off your server, you might want to look at running Roon on your NAS, which works well with the Bluesound Node 2i. Roon requires a fairly powerful processor in the NAS, which normally means an expensive NAS, but the QNAP TS-473 is a relatively inexpensive NAS that supports Roon fully with a powerful AMD R Series Quad Core processor, yet is fairly inexpensive. The other nice thing about the TS-473 is that it has two PCIE expansion slots that give you flexibility for the future. For example, you can put in a 10 gigabit LAN card or future high speed WiFi cards. You can even put in a Nvidia GEForce 1030 card and connect it directly to your display with full 4K transcoding support. A powerful processor and expansion slots means a long lifetime for the NAS possibly into 8K and beyond.

https://www.amazon.sg/QNAP-TS-473-4G-US-IP-SAN-Quad-core-10G-Ready/dp/B07BMYKYKJ/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=qnap+ts-473&qid=1581496680&s=gateway&sr=8-1

bro, I just narrow down to Synology DiskStation DS918+ which has quad core 1.5Ghz and 4GB ram. It looks fairly similar to Qnap TS-473 except that the CPU clock is lower and there seems to have no PCIe slot for expansion later.

I wonder in what does these translate into real world difference. 

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Re: NAS for streaming movies and music
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2020, 17:03 »
Noob question: why can't we connect a HDD to the home router and share media files with DLNA devices?

You can, but performance is terrible compared to a NAS, so its impossible for example to stream 4K movies smoothly. Even 1080p may stutter if the NAS gets busy. The Router software for handling a HDD is also quite primitive, hence you constantly have glitches such as corrupted drives, and even intruders hacking into your NAS drive.

In comparison, the NAS have multiple complex backup and restore options as well has hardware redundancy. More importantly they are quite secure with constant security updates to ensure the hackers stay out. My QNAP implements 2FA for logins using Google Authenticate. Some NAS support 10 gigabit ethernet connections, which are crucial say for editing 4K movies on the NAS. The iPhone and Android apps for the NAS are miles more sophisticated and secure compared to the router apps and you can control and monitor almost every aspect of your NAS from your mobile device. An extremely good experience, especially with QNAP and Synology.

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Re: NAS for streaming movies and music
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2020, 17:16 »
bro, I just narrow down to Synology DiskStation DS918+ which has quad core 1.5Ghz and 4GB ram. It looks fairly similar to Qnap TS-473 except that the CPU clock is lower and there seems to have no PCIe slot for expansion later.

I wonder in what does these translate into real world difference. 

That's a fine NAS. However, it has a Celeron J3455 processor, which is a couple of years old. It's more than fast enough to support everything you want, but its a bit slow for running Roon Core, which requires an i3 for best performance (like the AMD R series). I know because my current QNAP has the same processor as the 918+. Roon will run, but indexing will be slow for a large database.

https://www.qnap.com/solution/roon/en/
https://kb.roonlabs.com/FAQ:_What_are_the_minimum_requirements%3F

As for expansion slots, its always nice to have the option of going to faster LAN or Wifi in the future for a NAS. Otherwise you can use the slots for caching the NAS using M2 SSD. There may be a point in the not so distant future that everyone goes 10 gbits/sec and if you have a NAS that has no expansion slots, it becomes a bottleneck in your network

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Re: NAS for streaming movies and music
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2020, 18:38 »
This is what happened when you have 10Gb ethernet between your NAS and PC.



I recommend buying 8-bay NAS, make sure it comes with 10Gb ethernet port or you may buy a 10Gb card to fill up the PCIe slot (mostly available for 8-bay models)   I prefer QNAP than Synology because it is easier and more reliable to setup NAS for remote access. 

The more drives, the faster will be your NAS.

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Re: NAS for streaming movies and music
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2020, 21:23 »
This is what happened when you have 10Gb ethernet between your NAS and PC.



I recommend buying 8-bay NAS, make sure it comes with 10Gb ethernet port or you may buy a 10Gb card to fill up the PCIe slot (mostly available for 8-bay models)   I prefer QNAP than Synology because it is easier and more reliable to setup NAS for remote access. 

The more drives, the faster will be your NAS.

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Many thanks guys. good sharing. Been looking out to invest in a NAS too.

Bro Not sure if model HS-453DX is recommended for movies storage and playback?

https://www.qnap.com/en/product/hs-453dx

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