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MATRIX and DISCRETE 6.1(DTS-ES/DD5.1-ES)
« on: May 13, 2002, 02:30 »
Which is the so call virtual 6.1 and which is the actual 6.1 ???

Any recommand good ES-amp ?

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Re:MATRIX and DISCRETE 6.1(DTS-ES/DD5.1-ES)
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2002, 09:18 »
Gaolow, I recommend denon 38xx or yamaha RX-Vx200.

Me using yammy 2200, and does its job good! Its worth an audition!

Virtual 6.1? I heard that in yamaha RX-V800..... just a silly term used to simulate a non-existant center rear.

Where did u hear that from anyway? Hey, thanks for the VGA cable! sorry didn't talk to u more..... had an appointment after that.
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Re:MATRIX and DISCRETE 6.1(DTS-ES/DD5.1-ES)
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2002, 09:53 »

Which is the so call virtual 6.1 and which is the actual 6.1 ???

Any recommand good ES-amp ?


Gaolow,

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My opinion is to go Denon 3802 since it covers all the latest formats and accepts a DVD-A/SACD multi channel inouts.

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DTS ES
DTS ES (Extended Surround) is the DTS version of the new 6.1-channel surround sound format that extends 5.1-channel material with one or two extra speakers located in the back-surround channel. DTS ES comes in two varieties: DTS ES Matrix 6.1 and DTS ES Discrete 6.1.

DTS ES DISCRETE 6.1
DTS ES Discrete 6.1 is a true 6.1-channel format, as the back-surround audio channel is discretely encoded into the DTS bitstream. This format offers better spatialisation over the surround channels for complete 360° sound localisation and surround pans (ie movement of sound in the surround channels from one side to another). A data flag tells the decoder (usually part of the receiver or preamplifier) that the bitstream contains an extra discrete back-surround channel. For backwards compatibility, the DTS ES Discrete 6.1 back-surround channel is ignored by DTS 5.1 equipment.

DTS ES MATRIX 6.1
DTS ES Matrix is actually a 5.1-channel format which produces the effect of a 6.1-channel sound by extracting a surround-back channel from the left and right surround channels. The back-surround channel is matrixed in a similar fashion as the front-centre channel is matrixed into the front right and left channels in the Dolby Surround Pro-Logic format.

As such, the back-surround channel is not discrete and therefore is not a true 6.1 format. DTS ES Matrix is compatible with Dolby Digital EX equipment, and with the growing number of movies released on DVD with DTS ES encoding.

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Re:MATRIX and DISCRETE 6.1(DTS-ES/DD5.1-ES)
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2002, 15:00 »



Gaolow,

Copied from www.homecinemachoice.com

My opinion is to go Denon 3802 since it covers all the latest formats and accepts a DVD-A/SACD multi channel inouts.

CHeers
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DTS ES
DTS ES (Extended Surround) is the DTS version of the new 6.1-channel surround sound format that extends 5.1-channel material with one or two extra speakers located in the back-surround channel. DTS ES comes in two varieties: DTS ES Matrix 6.1 and DTS ES Discrete 6.1.

DTS ES DISCRETE 6.1
DTS ES Discrete 6.1 is a true 6.1-channel format, as the back-surround audio channel is discretely encoded into the DTS bitstream. This format offers better spatialisation over the surround channels for complete 360° sound localisation and surround pans (ie movement of sound in the surround channels from one side to another). A data flag tells the decoder (usually part of the receiver or preamplifier) that the bitstream contains an extra discrete back-surround channel. For backwards compatibility, the DTS ES Discrete 6.1 back-surround channel is ignored by DTS 5.1 equipment.

DTS ES MATRIX 6.1
DTS ES Matrix is actually a 5.1-channel format which produces the effect of a 6.1-channel sound by extracting a surround-back channel from the left and right surround channels. The back-surround channel is matrixed in a similar fashion as the front-centre channel is matrixed into the front right and left channels in the Dolby Surround Pro-Logic format.

As such, the back-surround channel is not discrete and therefore is not a true 6.1 format. DTS ES Matrix is compatible with Dolby Digital EX equipment, and with the growing number of movies released on DVD with DTS ES encoding.




I agree with Dizzy_D that the Denon 3802 is a good buy that support all latest formats.

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Re:MATRIX and DISCRETE 6.1(DTS-ES/DD5.1-ES)
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2002, 19:57 »
I find that the amp in the Denon 3802 a very weak performer compared to the Yammie's.  When I was hunting for my amp, i tested both the yammie 2200 and the Denon 3802 and was came away disappointed with the Denon's power.  In the end, I settled for the Yammie and has been satisfied with it.  In terms of features, the Yammie matches everything that the Denon is able to throw out.  IMO, if you seriously want to get a Denon, go for the AVC-11SE instead.
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Re:MATRIX and DISCRETE 6.1(DTS-ES/DD5.1-ES)
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2002, 20:12 »
Just a suggestion

Get the Denon 3802 + a channel Rotel 5*120 RMB 1075. Use the Denon amps to drive the surrounds. This setup will punch the daylight of many amps because of the extra juice/turbo.

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Re:MATRIX and DISCRETE 6.1(DTS-ES/DD5.1-ES)
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2002, 21:06 »
No. don't listen to them. Come to yammy side. Take the 1200 or 2200. Very good.





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Re:MATRIX and DISCRETE 6.1(DTS-ES/DD5.1-ES)
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2002, 23:23 »
Don listen to all of them...

Listen to the performance Yourself and let you ears make the decision... if you genuinely feel it is better it is, Hell, you are paying for the stuff so don be overly swayed by others...

so hurry down to the showroom with your test discs... ;D
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Re:MATRIX and DISCRETE 6.1(DTS-ES/DD5.1-ES)
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2002, 01:23 »
i think that yammy more features, although i use denon myself :D, and quite a lot of hidden features for remotes ;D

yammy can do 0.5db step, denon only 1db step.
yammy may seems warm to some, denon may seems too "natural" (doesnt change the sound, making it unpleasent)
denon needs a tv to setup, i dun think yammy need
yammy got more effects for the 6.1, denon no additional effect except for bass/treble control

but both got DTS 6.1 discrete


if i had known yammy is cheaper, i'ld have go for it

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Re:MATRIX and DISCRETE 6.1(DTS-ES/DD5.1-ES)
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2002, 09:23 »
Yammy has got superior advantage when it comes to total system integration.

Quekky has mentioned a few, but thats not all.

Yammy has got a 12V relay for mains automation, in addition to the standard switched mains output. It can also be connected for motorised proj. screen roll-down on amp power on! & vice-versa.

In addition, it has an extended IR remote control codes that no other AV amp can compare. It can do volume presets, AB speaker switching, state recall, 12V relay on/off, full discrete codes....... all via remote control. This would really appeal to remote control freaks and pronto fans. Yamahas of current generation are a different beast than last generation.

DTS 6.1 discrete/matrix, DD matrix, PL2, ....... IMHO, a very powerful beast. I'm driving all my 4ohm speakers with no probs.

But 6.1 & virtual 6.1? Virtual 6.1 is virtually obsolete by now!
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