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JOKER (2019)
« on: August 30, 2019, 06:53 »
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Likely to make people forget Heath Ledger's version?
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Re: JOKER (2019)
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2019, 21:05 »
Easily one of the best trailers so far...Looking forward to this new take on the Joker DC character.

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« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2019, 21:17 »
I am really hype up about this! My favourite Dc villain.  However i don't think we will be comparing with Ledger.  Ledger is already legendary in his joker portrayal.. but i am sure this by Joaquin Phoenix will be up there with Ledger's performance
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Re: JOKER (2019)
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2019, 09:33 »
Some possible spoilers, so watch with caution...  :)

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Re: JOKER (2019)
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2019, 14:34 »
Staggering Oscar-worthy performance… But ultimately quite unsatisfying  :-\… It’s almost all focused around mental health… I miss the sinister criminal mastermind from the comics (albeit, he could turn into one over the next decade while Batman emerges, so maybe too soon to call?)


Ps: Can’t believe they picked a Gary Glitter’s track!!! Classic scene though!!!  ;D

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Re: JOKER (2019)
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2019, 21:32 »
I found this movie quite depressing.
People who is suffering from depression should not watch this movie lest it triggers a major psychotic breakdown in them.
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Re: JOKER (2019)
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2019, 22:37 »
For sure those with audiophillia nervosa or even worse the dreaded chiaminitis ... definitely shouldn’t watch. Gone case for sure.  :o
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Re: JOKER (2019)
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2019, 23:13 »
This is easily the best movie of the year imo! Joaquin Phoenix is brilliant in this scintillating take on the iconic DC comic villain...FINALLY something different! Yes, no doubt that it is a very depressing movie to watch but the direction that Todd Philips was taking and Joaquin's brilliant acting makes this movie a must-watch! But having say that, I can't bring myself to watch it too often (I will be getting the bluray when it hit the store) as it is a very hard movie to watch but we can admire the brilliant acting and great story telling.

My rating for this movie is easily a 4.5/5 stars!  ;D
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Re: JOKER (2019)
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2019, 17:17 »
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Re: JOKER (2019)
« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2019, 17:44 »
Highly recommended , another Oscar contender for Best Actor

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Re: JOKER (2019)
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2019, 20:03 »

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Re: JOKER (2019)
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2019, 20:17 »
movie’s good ... but ultimately no pay-off .... taken as a homage of sorts to Taxi Driver and viewed as an expansion of Todd Phillips range as a director works better than viewing it as a DC/super-hero/Batman-related film even if it’s termed as a ‘standalone’ flick.

And yes Joaquin is good but personally the late Heath Ledger nails it as the Joker character. Watching the movie; i’d wished instead of DeNiro they should have cast .... Russell Crowe .... they would have provided a meta moment 😉😉😉

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Re: JOKER (2019)
« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2019, 13:43 »
Highly recommended , another Oscar contender for Best Actor

The same thing my friends told me, They said it’s a must watch movie, gotta check it out

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Re: JOKER (2019)
« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2019, 23:01 »
The same thing my friends told me, They said it’s a must watch movie, gotta check it out

Yes, highly recommended!

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Re: JOKER (2019)
« Reply #15 on: October 10, 2019, 08:26 »
Yes, highly recommended!

Roger ! Must be really good then, will definitely check it out soon

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Re: JOKER (2019)
« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2019, 21:45 »
so... Jack Nicholson's Joker will become a real “Joke” when the later years younger actors play the role betta...

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Re: JOKER (2019)
« Reply #17 on: October 11, 2019, 07:55 »
so... Jack Nicholson's Joker will become a real “Joke” when the later years younger actors play the role betta...

IMHO he was and has always been a joke in the Burton's Batman. (As was others like Tommy, Jim, Arnold and Uma but I digress)

I never understand why he was so praised for his performance. His 'Joker' was a clown trying to be a menacing psychopath. 

Contrast that to Heath's portrayal of a menacing psychopath and killer trying to disarm others by pretending to be a clown.

I have not watched this yet so can't comment on Joaquin Phoenix's performance but considering the buzz, it's probably not far off.

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Re: JOKER (2019)
« Reply #18 on: October 11, 2019, 09:29 »
IMHO he was and has always been a joke in the Burton's Batman. (As was others like Tommy, Jim, Arnold and Uma but I digress)

I never understand why he was so praised for his performance. His 'Joker' was a clown trying to be a menacing psychopath. 

Contrast that to Heath's portrayal of a menacing psychopath and killer trying to disarm others by pretending to be a clown.

I have not watched this yet so can't comment on Joaquin Phoenix's performance but considering the buzz, it's probably not far off.


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Re: JOKER (2019)
« Reply #19 on: October 14, 2019, 08:22 »
Only 3.5/5 stars from you? Interesting...

Watched yesterday. Didn't do much for me either, i guess 3.5/5 is appropriate. Got a few questions but i better put it as spoiler

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Some questions:
1. the age gap between bruce/batman and joker is so huge? Bruce looked like he was pre-teen vs 40+ joker? so age gap is almost 30 years?
2. so in the end, after he was rescued by the other protestors and he stood triumphant on the police car, he was still caught and send to prison/asylum? Seems like a huge story gap. joker shouldn't be so easily caught
3. my partner thinks that fleck's entire intention was to get himself into the asylum after he asked the asylum's guard what kind of people gets sent here....do u think so?



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Re: JOKER (2019)
« Reply #20 on: October 14, 2019, 08:28 »
Watched yesterday. Didn't do much for me either, i guess 3.5/5 is appropriate. Got a few questions but i better put it as spoiler

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Some questions:
1. the age gap between bruce/batman and joker is so huge? Bruce looked like he was pre-teen vs 40+ joker? so age gap is almost 30 years?
2. so in the end, after he was rescued by the other protestors and he stood triumphant on the police car, he was still caught and send to prison/asylum? Seems like a huge story gap. joker shouldn't be so easily caught
3. my partner thinks that fleck's entire intention was to get himself into the asylum after he asked the asylum's guard what kind of people gets sent here....do u think so?




Phoenix portrayal in this movie may not be the real joker.



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Re: JOKER (2019)
« Reply #21 on: October 14, 2019, 08:38 »
hmmm... this “episode” seem like a prequel of character development.

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Re: JOKER (2019)
« Reply #22 on: October 14, 2019, 08:52 »

Phoenix portrayal in this movie may not be the real joker.



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Hmmm......that's an interesting way of looking at it.....

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« Reply #23 on: October 14, 2019, 17:44 »
Actually Todd Philips the Director never intended this Joker movie to be part of the DCEU as such the age gap between Bruce and Joker is moot in this adaptation. See this movie from a different perspective - throw out the Suicide Squad and any semblance of Justice League movies...look at the birth and character evolvement of Arthur Fleck...whether or not he IS the Joker we get to know or an influencer where the "real" Joker will emulate...to me, this is a standalone movie which we should watch it on its own merits.


Granted it can be a rather divisive movie for some...but I'm leaned towards the positive side.

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« Reply #24 on: October 14, 2019, 17:57 »
Actually Todd Philips the Director never intended this Joker movie to be part of the DCEU as such the age gap between Bruce and Joker is moot in this adaptation. See this movie from a different perspective - throw out the Suicide Squad and any semblance of Justice League movies...look at the birth and character evolvement of Arthur Fleck...whether or not he IS the Joker we get to know or an influencer where the "real" Joker will emulate...to me, this is a standalone movie which we should watch it on its own merits.


Granted it can be a rather divisive movie for some...but I'm leaned towards the positive side.

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I thought that scene of the clown gunning down Bruce's parents looked VERY similar to one in Batman Begins (other than the clown-shooter), as in the surroundings and setting...


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« Reply #25 on: October 14, 2019, 20:38 »
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I thought that scene of the clown gunning down Bruce's parents looked VERY similar to one in Batman Begins (other than the clown-shooter), as in the surroundings and setting...



Because of that "particular" back alley scene...it conjured the idea that Phoenix Joker may not be Batman's long time nemesis, Mr. J. Phoenix could very well be a "figure" that makes the "real" Joker to take on the namesake. Of course, this is just a "What-if" theory that probably not going to hold water...but have to admit that it is intriguing to think of that or how else you going to explain the big "age" gap and we are going to have a continuity problem. If not for that scene, I will not even mention that at all in the first place.

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Re: JOKER (2019)
« Reply #26 on: October 15, 2019, 09:56 »
We have become so desensitized by what violence/cruelties/injustice we see/read in comics, movies, news, youtube that we are no longer shocked by what happened to Arthur Fleck in this movie, to be able to empathise with him as he descended into lunacy and anarchy.

Good as phoenix's acting was, it's no longer enough.

We find ourselves asking "so what"?

Things like this or even worse, happen to millions of other people on a daily basis....
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Re: JOKER (2019)
« Reply #27 on: October 19, 2019, 09:29 »
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Re: JOKER (2019)
« Reply #28 on: October 19, 2019, 10:50 »
Watched 2x and I am still quite intrigued with the storyline and plot

It seems that the story in the movie was thought up by Arthur while in the asylum.
When the psychiatrist asked him what was so funny, he said something like "You don't get it".....

The whole thing was all thought up by him and his "relationship" with his neighbour and scenes with her was just something out of this unsound mind. A dream within a dream...

So with the Joker, u can never tell what's real or unreal...
It is most probably something conjured out from his mind.

Is this movie about the origin of Joker??
Nobody knows ......but I really don't think so
Perhaps the sequel will reveal more
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Re: JOKER (2019)
« Reply #29 on: October 20, 2019, 07:39 »
Is this movie about the origin of Joker??
Nobody knows ......but I really don't think so
Perhaps the sequel will reveal more

I think that one of the fan theories is that the movie is
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a movie/TV show in the DCEU that inspires the DCEU Joker
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A sequel? I haven't watched the movie but I was under the impression that this is a 'once and done' movie. There are also not post-credit extras that would possibly set up a sequel. Would a sequel really work for this movie or should it be just left as it is.