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ProSub 800 died, thinking of SVS PB-1000
« on: July 08, 2019, 19:53 »
Hello folks, some of you may remember me, but I guess not, as I've been inactive for quite some years now. :D

But long story short, I am running an entry level setup with Def Tech Pro Cinema 600 speakers with a ProSub 800. My original ProSub 600 died on me many many years ago, and my ProSub 800 also recently gave up the ghost on me after almost 4 years (you can see the red LED blinking video here: https://youtu.be/j8pEaqXBFLk). I'm not sure if this is the normal lifespan of subwoofers, but I am looking for another brand as a replacement woofer. I've heard really good things about the SVS PB-1000 so I'd like to ask you gurus on a couple of questions:

1. Would the SVS PB-1000 be overkill for my speakers?
2. Currently my ProSub 800 has 8 connectors - 4 for IN (Left Right for - & +) and another set for OUT (Left Right for - & +). I see that the PB-1000 only has 4 connectors - (Left Right for - & +). My question is whether this would cause any problems if I just connect the set of "IN" cables to the PB-1000?

I sincerely apologize for the newbie nature of my question, especially No. 2, but I would really appreciate it a ton if I can get some kind help. I think the time has come to try out SVS since they are a specialist brand and I think they should be able to last longer than my ProSubs which have died sooner than I'd like them to.

Thank you guys in advance! :D

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Re: ProSub 800 died, thinking of SVS PB-1000
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2019, 20:13 »
An opportune time and excuse to get a new setup (after so many years with 2 successive changes to the subwoofer upgrade) if I were you. If you get the SVS PB1000, its unlikely to match well with your speakers imo.

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Re: ProSub 800 died, thinking of SVS PB-1000
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2019, 20:37 »
How about the SW12 from Starke and use XLR connection?

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Re: ProSub 800 died, thinking of SVS PB-1000
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2019, 21:15 »
If the environment and setup matching correctly, pb1000 also can play magic.
https://youtu.be/CgCyB7Ps3sU
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Re: ProSub 800 died, thinking of SVS PB-1000
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2019, 22:42 »
An opportune time and excuse to get a new setup (after so many years with 2 successive changes to the subwoofer upgrade) if I were you. If you get the SVS PB1000, its unlikely to match well with your speakers imo.

Thank you for your reply desray! :) As much as I would like to do an overhaul, my budget is definitely below $1,000 unfortunately. I foresee the new sub and my current setup to last me another 3 years at least, then I'll do that much needed overhaul.

How about the SW12 from Starke and use XLR connection?

Thank you for your reply rayleh! :) Wow this is new to me, both the brand and XLR. I need to do some Googling for this, but is this better than the PB-1000?

If the environment and setup matching correctly, pb1000 also can play magic.
https://youtu.be/CgCyB7Ps3sU
Woah..although I don't have a carpet nearby, at least I know that area would be dust-free lol!

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Re: ProSub 800 died, thinking of SVS PB-1000
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2019, 23:04 »
I bought dual SW12 and only had a SB-12NSD before that so not an apple to apple comparison but SW12 is not a sloth.

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Re: ProSub 800 died, thinking of SVS PB-1000
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2019, 23:21 »
Hello folks, some of you may remember me, but I guess not, as I've been inactive for quite some years now. :D

But long story short, I am running an entry level setup with Def Tech Pro Cinema 600 speakers with a ProSub 800. My original ProSub 600 died on me many many years ago, and my ProSub 800 also recently gave up the ghost on me after almost 4 years (you can see the red LED blinking video here: https://youtu.be/j8pEaqXBFLk). I'm not sure if this is the normal lifespan of subwoofers, but I am looking for another brand as a replacement woofer. I've heard really good things about the SVS PB-1000 so I'd like to ask you gurus on a couple of questions:

1. Would the SVS PB-1000 be overkill for my speakers?
2. Currently my ProSub 800 has 8 connectors - 4 for IN (Left Right for - & +) and another set for OUT (Left Right for - & +). I see that the PB-1000 only has 4 connectors - (Left Right for - & +). My question is whether this would cause any problems if I just connect the set of "IN" cables to the PB-1000?

I sincerely apologize for the newbie nature of my question, especially No. 2, but I would really appreciate it a ton if I can get some kind help. I think the time has come to try out SVS since they are a specialist brand and I think they should be able to last longer than my ProSubs which have died sooner than I'd like them to.

Thank you guys in advance! :D

I presume u have a receiver, correct?  Your 5 pieces of pro cinema 600 speakers should be connected to the receiver speaker output.  Your pro sub should also be connected to the receiver “sub out” via the “LFE IN” RCA input.

In this case, any sub is fine to continue to be connected to the receiver “sub out” via a RCA cable.  All cross-over management will be done by the receiver.

4+ years for a sub not bad already.

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Re: ProSub 800 died, thinking of SVS PB-1000
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2019, 21:59 »
Just to note, my PB-12/2 Ultra and two PB-10 ISD are still working after 15 years because SVS stocks replacement amps and drivers and provides 5-year warranties on them.

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Re: ProSub 800 died, thinking of SVS PB-1000
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2019, 11:45 »
Thanks for your help guys, I couldn't find the PB-1000 to try it out but I guess I came to a purchasing decision pretty quickly as I've just bitten the bullet on a Velodyne Impact-12. I auditioned it with The Meg and the underwater scenes sounded amazing, definitely an upgrade from my ProSub 800. With my ProSub, I originally wired my fronts to the subwoofer, and then back to my receiver, But as soon as I read the Velodyne manual stating "Important!!! Do not use both LINE LEVEL and SPEAKER LEVEL connections simultaneously!", I re-wired my setup to a more conventional configuration, with the fronts being wired directly to the receiver and the subwoofer only being connected with a RCA cable to the receiver. 


I bought dual SW12 and only had a SB-12NSD before that so not an apple to apple comparison but SW12 is not a sloth.

Thanks for your input rayleh, I've yet to have a chance to audition the SW12 but would you say it's more suited for movies or music?

I presume u have a receiver, correct?  Your 5 pieces of pro cinema 600 speakers should be connected to the receiver speaker output.  Your pro sub should also be connected to the receiver “sub out” via the “LFE IN” RCA input.

In this case, any sub is fine to continue to be connected to the receiver “sub out” via a RCA cable.  All cross-over management will be done by the receiver.

4+ years for a sub not bad already.

Thanks for the helpful information jonlee! Yes I'm using an Onkyo receiver. I'm not sure if this led to my ProSub dying a bit earlier than I'd thought, but I was plugging it into an extension cord instead of right into the power socket, and as it was bought from the US, I had to use a voltage convertor in addition.

Just to note, my PB-12/2 Ultra and two PB-10 ISD are still working after 15 years because SVS stocks replacement amps and drivers and provides 5-year warranties on them.

That is amazing for sure. I'd still like to try out a SVS sub sometime!
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Re: ProSub 800 died, thinking of SVS PB-1000
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2019, 12:18 »
I watch movies for at least 80% of my time. SW12 blends well for HT and music listening. Also, I have a DSP to tune the dual subs so they sound amazing to me.

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Re: ProSub 800 died, thinking of SVS PB-1000
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2019, 11:43 »
Gurus, I need some advice, there are 2 line level inputs for LFE on my Velodyne Impact 12, Left and Right. I currently only have my RCA cable plugged to one of these inputs and the bass works fine. However, I found this in the Velodyne manual:

Inputs
Your new subwoofer is equipped with speaker-level and line-level inputs. Use the LINE LEVEL jacks when connecting your subwoofer to a pre-amp, signal processor (such as LFE out), linelevel crossover, or receiver with pre-amp level outputs. When using the line level jacks, some receivers may not provide enough signal to have the unit’s auto-on feature operate properly. Additionally, this lack of signal may also cause the subwoofer to produce less output than it is capable of.to produce less output than it is capable of. To alleviate this condition, we recommend the following steps:

If using line level jacks, BOTH THE LEFT AND RIGHT INPUT CAN BE USED – never use just the left or just the right input. If the subwoofer’s signal comes from the LFE channel of your receiver, use a “Y” splitter to connect to both the left and right inputs.*

I guess my question is, do I really need this splitter? Thanks guys, I really appreciate your help. :)

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Re: ProSub 800 died, thinking of SVS PB-1000
« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2019, 12:29 »
Most of us just connect to the left of the LFE input on the sub but no harm using a splitter to connect to both LFE inputs. There are articles stating that the sub may go into auto-off mode easily if connected only to one input.

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Re: ProSub 800 died, thinking of SVS PB-1000
« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2019, 16:45 »
You can work around all these concern by leaving your sub permanently ON instead of AUTO. 

Gurus, I need some advice, there are 2 line level inputs for LFE on my Velodyne Impact 12, Left and Right. I currently only have my RCA cable plugged to one of these inputs and the bass works fine. However, I found this in the Velodyne manual:

Inputs
Your new subwoofer is equipped with speaker-level and line-level inputs. Use the LINE LEVEL jacks when connecting your subwoofer to a pre-amp, signal processor (such as LFE out), linelevel crossover, or receiver with pre-amp level outputs. When using the line level jacks, some receivers may not provide enough signal to have the unit’s auto-on feature operate properly. Additionally, this lack of signal may also cause the subwoofer to produce less output than it is capable of.to produce less output than it is capable of. To alleviate this condition, we recommend the following steps:

If using line level jacks, BOTH THE LEFT AND RIGHT INPUT CAN BE USED – never use just the left or just the right input. If the subwoofer’s signal comes from the LFE channel of your receiver, use a “Y” splitter to connect to both the left and right inputs.*

I guess my question is, do I really need this splitter? Thanks guys, I really appreciate your help. :)

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Re: ProSub 800 died, thinking of SVS PB-1000
« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2019, 21:57 »
Gurus, I need some advice, there are 2 line level inputs for LFE on my Velodyne Impact 12, Left and Right. I currently only have my RCA cable plugged to one of these inputs and the bass works fine. However, I found this in the Velodyne manual:

Inputs
Your new subwoofer is equipped with speaker-level and line-level inputs....
If using line level jacks, BOTH THE LEFT AND RIGHT INPUT CAN BE USED – never use just the left or just the right input. If the subwoofer’s signal comes from the LFE channel of your receiver, use a “Y” splitter to connect to both the left and right inputs.*

I guess my question is, do I really need this splitter? Thanks guys, I really appreciate your help. :)

I ever read from the manual of a popular branded subwoofer, to use both L/R for stereo but choose one of them for the home theater.
It will "boom" louder (2-3 db) when both are hooked up to the AVR (sw1 or sw2)... you can try for yourself which one you prefer.
Personally, I use Y-adaptor.
I bought it from ebay UK
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Viablue-XS-Subwoofer-Y-Adapter-Cinch-Adapter-Cinch-Distributor-40690/172846426231?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649


You can work around all these concern by leaving your sub permanently ON instead of AUTO.

If you keep it permanently ON, once you forget to switch it OFF, your amp plate may be kaput
A technical person from JL Audio USA prefers to use AUTO, leave it until it turns RED (to drain 'trapped' signal to the ground), then switch it OFF from power socket wall.

 ;D
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Re: ProSub 800 died, thinking of SVS PB-1000
« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2019, 15:26 »
Most of us just connect to the left of the LFE input on the sub but no harm using a splitter to connect to both LFE inputs. There are articles stating that the sub may go into auto-off mode easily if connected only to one input.
You can work around all these concern by leaving your sub permanently ON instead of AUTO. 

Thank you rayleh and jonlee! :)  I guess my concern with not using the splitter / 2 inputs is the power output of sub, rather than the the sub going into auto-off mode. Now that I have it to always ON rather than AUTO, I'm not sure if this is placebo effect but I think my sub is louder.

I ever read from the manual of a popular branded subwoofer, to use both L/R for stereo but choose one of them for the home theater.
It will "boom" louder (2-3 db) when both are hooked up to the AVR (sw1 or sw2)... you can try for yourself which one you prefer.
Personally, I use Y-adaptor.
I bought it from ebay UK
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Viablue-XS-Subwoofer-Y-Adapter-Cinch-Adapter-Cinch-Distributor-40690/172846426231?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649


If you keep it permanently ON, once you forget to switch it OFF, your amp plate may be kaput
A technical person from JL Audio USA prefers to use AUTO, leave it until it turns RED (to drain 'trapped' signal to the ground), then switch it OFF from power socket wall.

 ;D


Thanks for your helpful input whitesox! :) I'm not sure if this may be why my ProSub 800 died on me after about 4 years, but I left both the power socket switch and the power switch on the sub on all the way 24/7. This splitter that you are using from eBay UK seems ok with a reasonable price. You wouldn't believe how hard it was to find a splitter these past 2 days in local retail shops. I think I will get this one. :)