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Re: Will there still be a market for projectors?
« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2019, 20:57 »
I do not own a projector. But guess it is the same of digital vs analog. Do you prefer to see light source or reflected light. We live in a world cinsisting mainly of reflected light. But i agree it is too troublesome.

This is an interesting point, because we actually see both light source and reflected light. Street lights, stars, car headlamps are all light source and feature prominently in movies. Hence for realism, not only is resolution like 4K & 8K important, but bright, say small 4000 nit brightness sources will add to the realism as does HDR/wide color gamuts etc. OLED is perfect in that it has infinite contrast, whereas advanced LCD (say Sony 8K, Samsung Quantum Dot) has the brightness. Projectors have neither, but they have the size and impact for movies, plus the ability to get 120 inches through a door :)

The ultimate future display to me is an 8K 4,000 nit OLED modular panel, which LG is working on. I'm sure I will see it in my lifetime, but will I be able to afford it :(

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Re: Will there still be a market for projectors?
« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2019, 09:50 »
Projector is still a very "reliable" gear to put out bright light for image projection as well as larger screen.
However... what kind of projector can do that?
3 lens projector is not easy to maintain, as well as install, not practical to use in a short viewing distance installation.
Single lens projector is good for typical and average Singapore Property size use. Cheaper it may, however options very limited. Practicality? Erm... do u watch regular free-to-air public broadcast frequently with projector or TV?
Then... comes short throw projectors. As our newer generation housing properties getting smaller and smaller in hall size, STP is the most practical choice to go! However... wait! What's the price now?

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Re: Will there still be a market for projectors?
« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2019, 10:47 »

The ultimate future display to me is an 8K 4,000 nit OLED modular panel, which LG is working on. I'm sure I will see it in my lifetime, but will I be able to afford it :(

Haha, you definitely can afford it BUT is it worth it and are you willing to pay for it! ;D

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Re: Will there still be a market for projectors?
« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2019, 11:20 »
Projector is still a very "reliable" gear to put out bright light for image projection as well as larger screen.
However... what kind of projector can do that?
3 lens projector is not easy to maintain, as well as install, not practical to use in a short viewing distance installation.
Single lens projector is good for typical and average Singapore Property size use. Cheaper it may, however options very limited. Practicality? Erm... do u watch regular free-to-air public broadcast frequently with projector or TV?
Then... comes short throw projectors. As our newer generation housing properties getting smaller and smaller in hall size, STP is the most practical choice to go! However... wait! What's the price now?

3 lens projector? As in 3-gun CRT projectors? Wow, that's a relic of the past. I am not sure if any are still around and can come close to the output and image quality of the present projectors.

I am not sure if ultra short throw projectors are universally loved or is the solution. It is a compromise and as compromises go, is fraught with issues aplenty. Edge-to-edge sharpness, image distortion, uneven brightness and fan noise are some of the popularly quoted ones. Plus, I don't think you will get up to 100" easily with a UST.

I think these new TV developments are really2x interesting. When TVs get to the so-called 100" benchmark where projectors make sense (and at sensible prices), then you will have a fight on your hands. I guess by then they would have sorted out the other practical issues mentioned by DH like fragility, transportation and delivery. I am sure this will happen sooner rather than later, driven by consumer demand.

Until then, when it comes to absolute size, nothing comes close to a projector.

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« Reply #19 on: June 20, 2019, 11:39 »

I thought those RGB cubes are the lens... ;D malu  ;D

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Re: Will there still be a market for projectors?
« Reply #20 on: June 23, 2019, 13:48 »
I think in 15-20 years, we might see acoustically transparent, touchscreen microled panels mounted on feature walls in sg living rooms. Center speakers need to evolve into something much thinner, to be tucked in behind those micro led panels. We probably could control those panels like the way we control pc displays and windows.

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« Reply #21 on: June 25, 2019, 22:58 »
In just less then 2years UST projection ( In China we refer to LaserTv ) from the same 25cm throw distance for a 90" projected image till last week the CIT show in China for the same 25cm distance hit a 150" projected image with 4k and 10bits colour processing , projector is here to stay and is targeted to enter into the Living room wit the development of both soft and hard surface ALR screen.

For corp mostly opt for laser base vs Led base, large and super large scale installation with tri laser that hit 40k ANSI lumen , for cinema and simulation with Red laser module, CRT base 3 gun projector are still in production but just for the very extrame colour decoding needed for some task ,beco of the limited colour processing of digital display and that is the main reason , holding back the market for true 4K display.

Is much more easy to produce more pixel in a given screen size but it need much much much much more processing speed / buffer/memory to map the correct colour and yet produce enough light to pass thru a given display.

So in short projection is emerging into the Living room with a 100"or more screen, all in within a price tag of less then $4k SG can power on/off instantly just like a Tv and work like a Tv , no long run of HDMI cable , no need to focus , no need to .... just place it infront connect up your source or connect to the web ,you are all good to watch your 150" image in less then 20 sec.
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Re: Will there still be a market for projectors?
« Reply #22 on: July 02, 2019, 15:29 »

For myself, I am now enjoying my 65 inch OLED, and the quality is so good that I don't miss my 100 inch screen and sold Sony PJ.

You should do both, a puny 65 inch TV will never have or replace the immersive cinema quality of a 100 inch projector screen.

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Re: Will there still be a market for projectors?
« Reply #23 on: July 02, 2019, 21:06 »
In just less then 2years UST projection ( In China we refer to LaserTv ) from the same 25cm throw distance for a 90" projected image till last week the CIT show in China for the same 25cm distance hit a 150" projected image with 4k and 10bits colour processing , projector is here to stay and is targeted to enter into the Living room wit the development of both soft and hard surface ALR screen.

For corp mostly opt for laser base vs Led base, large and super large scale installation with tri laser that hit 40k ANSI lumen , for cinema and simulation with Red laser module, CRT base 3 gun projector are still in production but just for the very extrame colour decoding needed for some task ,beco of the limited colour processing of digital display and that is the main reason , holding back the market for true 4K display.

Is much more easy to produce more pixel in a given screen size but it need much much much much more processing speed / buffer/memory to map the correct colour and yet produce enough light to pass thru a given display.

So in short projection is emerging into the Living room with a 100"or more screen, all in within a price tag of less then $4k SG can power on/off instantly just like a Tv and work like a Tv , no long run of HDMI cable , no need to focus , no need to .... just place it infront connect up your source or connect to the web ,you are all good to watch your 150" image in less then 20 sec.

This is actually good news to me. I have seen some of these in China but I did not think they are good for home cinema use. Contrast is just way too low. Who is producing such projectors with good contrast currently and in the affordable price range? Really interested to find out as that may well be the next object of desire for me.

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Re: Will there still be a market for projectors?
« Reply #24 on: July 02, 2019, 22:43 »
You should do both, a puny 65 inch TV will never have or replace the immersive cinema quality of a 100 inch projector screen.

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Of course 100 inch is immersive but only if you have a top notch PJ. With my previous Sony HW40ES, I was not wowed by the PQ, inspite of the screen size. Though not comparing apples to apples, the PQ of my LG65C7 beats the immersiveness of the Sony PJ. And the trouble of pulling down the screen, switching off all the lights, just makes the OLED much more pleasant to use. 65 inch is not puny, and you can sit a little closer if you want some immersiveness. Certainly I look forward to the day when an 85 inch OLED becomes available at a decent price.

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Re: Will there still be a market for projectors?
« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2019, 10:47 »
There is a strong argument though that OLED's colors are too saturated and unnatural, especially with HDR. The real world doesn't look like that. I have both a 65 inch OLED and a 110 inch screen 4K projector. There is no comparison in immersiveness with the projector, while the new color mapping of the BenQ W2700 makes the HDR 4K image look very good. OLED is good for news, Channel 8 serials, Netflix TV series in 4K HDR. But if you are watching an Epic, 65 inches just cannot make it. You can completely automate a HT with electric blinds, screen and a Harmony remote or Alexa.

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Re: Will there still be a market for projectors?
« Reply #26 on: July 04, 2019, 12:00 »
This is actually good news to me. I have seen some of these in China but I did not think they are good for home cinema use. Contrast is just way too low. Who is producing such projectors with good contrast currently and in the affordable price range? Really interested to find out as that may well be the next object of desire for me.


last CIT june , have more then 20 brand display their offer ...
Viewsonic , Optoma, vivitec all also hv their offer display at the show , inclusive an offer from Skyworth only cost around $1500.

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Re: Will there still be a market for projectors?
« Reply #27 on: July 04, 2019, 15:48 »
There is a strong argument though that OLED's colors are too saturated and unnatural, especially with HDR. The real world doesn't look like that. I have both a 65 inch OLED and a 110 inch screen 4K projector. There is no comparison in immersiveness with the projector, while the new color mapping of the BenQ W2700 makes the HDR 4K image look very good. OLED is good for news, Channel 8 serials, Netflix TV series in 4K HDR. But if you are watching an Epic, 65 inches just cannot make it. You can completely automate a HT with electric blinds, screen and a Harmony remote or Alexa.
Looks like you, in1voice and me all moved from the Sony HW40es, I own the predecessor to the BenQ W2700, the W2550 and even that gives quite a good cinematic picture, the W2700 and W5700 can only be better, I watch movies with an audience of 4 every week and nothing except a real cinema beats the immersiveness of a projector, and the projector also makes it a very nice social event, something a crowd around a TV cannot provide as the screen is way too small.

Anyway best combination is to do both by having a ceiling drop motorized tab tension screen in front of the TV.

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Re: Will there still be a market for projectors?
« Reply #28 on: July 04, 2019, 18:26 »
There is a strong argument though that OLED's colors are too saturated and unnatural, especially with HDR. The real world doesn't look like that. I have both a 65 inch OLED and a 110 inch screen 4K projector. There is no comparison in immersiveness with the projector, while the new color mapping of the BenQ W2700 makes the HDR 4K image look very good. OLED is good for news, Channel 8 serials, Netflix TV series in 4K HDR. But if you are watching an Epic, 65 inches just cannot make it. You can completely automate a HT with electric blinds, screen and a Harmony remote or Alexa.

I concur, the level of immersion watching it on the big screen is satisfying indeed, not only for me, but everyone else at home. At the end of the PJ implementation work, I asked both kids

Do you like the PJ or the previous OLED TV?

Both replied the same time :” I don’t like the PJ, but I LOVE the PJ... “ shakes head... kids these days... so young already know how to tease. Both pestering me to playback 3D material... whole day bugging me... looks like I gotta go hunt for 3D animation material again... and glasses...

Speaking of 3D glasses, what’s the recommended 3D glasses for the BenQ 5700?

Morning the Mrs messaged me, Kids like your PJ ! lol, so it’s success !!

All of us love the big screen over the 65” OLED tv in the hall, 135” at 3.5m viewing distance, really nice

THERE WILL STILL BE MARKET FOR PROJECTORS , no doubt, especially prices of bigger screen sized TVs still haven’t dropped much