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Offline qflyer

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Why cdplayer is better than streamer?
« on: April 11, 2019, 13:01 »
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Re: Why cdplayer is better than streamer?
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2019, 15:22 »
It is hard to compare a streamer and DAC when they have nothing in common. Not the brand, not the DAC chipset.

The interesting thing is when you use a CD player like the Arcam CDS50 which does have TIDAL streaming built in.

That way you can be sure you are using the same DAC/analog circuitry - just the digital transport is different.

And the weird thing is - the CD sounded better than the FLAC file I ripped into the Naim Uniti Core

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Re: Why cdplayer is better than streamer?
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2019, 16:51 »
The ripping process on the naim sucks

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Re: Why cdplayer is better than streamer?
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2019, 18:24 »
I have the same observation. Most of the time, cd sounds better than digital files. Perhaps is the processing on the dac
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Re: Why cdplayer is better than streamer?
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2019, 18:34 »
It will be even more pronounced playing on a mid to high end CD player. All rippling introduces more noise.

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Re: Why cdplayer is better than streamer?
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2019, 18:50 »
It will be even more pronounced playing on a mid to high end CD player. All rippling introduces more noise.

Loseless and FLAC 0 are bit perfect rips.
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Re: Why cdplayer is better than streamer?
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2019, 19:39 »
Loseless and FLAC 0 are bit perfect rips.
No such thing as bit perfect or loseless. This is pure marketing.

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Re: Why cdplayer is better than streamer?
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2019, 20:41 »
at the end of it the CD is a medium, a normal standard cd contain FILES that are... lets say standard 16 bit 44.1khz

Then the CD Player would take this data through the DAC into analogue signal

I dont see why, if using the same DAC chip and component, amps speaker etc if the CD should sound better, the cd player is merely "playing" the digital file on the cd as opposed to streamer (on a hard drive or SSD )

especially if WAV FILE - pure pcm not compressed

FLAC could actually be compressed - depending on the encoding process

just my two cents...

although having said that i still buy CDs.... just to rip into my naim uniti core cd ripper

sound stupid but i like spending money and being able to see and hold what i buy , as opposed to spending $25 on hdtracks and receiving the files... nothing to see or touch

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Re: Why cdplayer is better than streamer?
« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2019, 21:30 »
CD player does not just extract data from CD and send to DAC. The digital data are manipulated to improve the sound (aka "house sound").

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Re: Why cdplayer is better than streamer?
« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2019, 21:48 »
The rippling process is 1 problem. The other is the noise coming from reading the files on the hard disk.
Hard disk is a noisy device.

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Re: Why cdplayer is better than streamer?
« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2019, 06:53 »
No such thing as bit perfect or loseless. This is pure marketing.



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Re: Why cdplayer is better than streamer?
« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2019, 06:57 »
The sonic difference between CD Transports vs. Stream[er]s is in the path that the bit-streams take (including the interfaces involved), NOT in the actually bit-streams themselves which can be proven to be IDENTICAL. CD Players vs. Streamers+DACs is a wholly different story and not apples-to-apples comparison.
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Re: Why cdplayer is better than streamer?
« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2019, 07:30 »
The sonic difference between CD Transports vs. Stream[er]s is in the path that the bit-streams take (including the interfaces involved), NOT in the actually bit-streams themselves which can be proven to be IDENTICAL. CD Players vs. Streamers+DACs is a wholly different story and not apples-to-apples comparison.

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The path still affects the sound somehow which is what sometimes boggles the mind.

It’s like why even changing a digital interconnect can sound different.

Why a USB and AES being fed the same PCM stream to the same DAC can sound different.
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Re: Why cdplayer is better than streamer?
« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2019, 21:20 »
This is the sad reality for me at the moment. I have invested more than 10 years into files as source from the old days of RME sound card to shoe horn USB interface into an Apogee Big Ben and done multiple Zalman fanless PC to Mac Mini and finally an Aurender W20. In the last 2 years or more, I am playing CDs again  :'(

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Re: Why cdplayer is better than streamer?
« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2019, 21:43 »
I too thought that I have given up CDs as my previous CD Player used as a transport into an outboard DAC seems to sound not as good as my streamer into the same DAC. 

So, I sold the CD player and was relying only on streaming for a couple of years.

A few weeks ago, I bought a CD transport and what a revelation it has been.  I am rediscovering my CDs all over again.

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Re: Why cdplayer is better than streamer?
« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2019, 06:19 »
QFT

The path still affects the sound somehow which is what sometimes boggles the mind.
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Doesn't surprise me at all that even the slightest change in bit-stream path (including cable difference) can have an audible sonic impact... (I can even measure bit-errors when I flex a fibre optic cable :))
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Re: Why cdplayer is better than streamer?
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