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Lyngdorf thread
« on: December 27, 2018, 10:53 »
Not sure how many bros  are having lyngdorf products .Just to share on this wonderful products .

I got this Lyngdorf MP 50  cinema processor from Ohm Sound  since last year Nov 2018 . The audiophile sound , room perfect EQ and ease of use is the main feature of this processor . Room perfect EQ is good for those that have minimum room treatment in their room or living hall



http://lyngdorf.com/

https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrPgxBhPiRcNlMAwBQj4gt.;_ylu=X3oDMTEyc3NuZDhqBGNvbG8Dc2czBHBvcwM0BHZ0aWQDUzAzMjZfMQRzZWMDc3I-/RV=2/RE=1545907937/RO=10/RU=https%3a%2f%2fwww.avforums.com%2fthreads%2flyngdorf-mp-50-surround-sound-processor-review.2138057%2f/RK=2/RS=KalFzqVL4fEwTlVYWnKkvFWOGlA-

https://hometheaterreview.com/lyngdorf-mp-50-av-preamp-reviewed/





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Re: Lyndorf thread
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2018, 11:47 »
Finally one lyngdorf thread ! I’m one of them !! Hooray !! Can’t wait...

Finish my acoustic room work first, will share our journey here !!

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Re: Lyndorf thread
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2018, 12:27 »
Welcome to the family . The rest of the processor at lydnorf or higher range,we have acrus , storm, datasat , trinnov , jbl systhnesis, theta.

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Re: Lyndorf thread
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2018, 13:24 »
I first heard the Lyndorf at the Hong Kong AV show 2018. They pair it with Raidho X1 or XT1 cannot remember with 2 subs i think. The sound was impressive.

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« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2018, 06:44 »
Thanks sdds for creating this thread. Hope to see more members using it. But creating awareness is the first step and both you and Ron will lead the way.



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Re: Lyndorf thread
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2018, 07:46 »
How much does it cost?
Electronics : Denon 7200, MiniDSP Dirac 88A, Emotiva XPA-5 Gen2
ATMOS Audio : Martin Logan Ethos (L&R), ML Motif X(C), ML Motion 4 (14pcs surround spkrs)
LFE : Dual Rythmik FV25HP & Crowson Motion Actuator
Video : Sony VPL-HW55ES, Stewart Screen Studiotek 1.3
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Re: Lyndorf thread
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2018, 08:01 »
Listed price $15k , i got mine for $14k.

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Re: Lyndorf thread
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2018, 08:37 »
Jag, I got mine much lower, now that a year has passed. I’ll PM you if u r interested...

The built in DAC is very good, high quality components used, the design is apparently very good, especially good in the digital domain

Was comparing between the storm, NAD m17v2, lyngdorf... mainly the price, stability and performance was the determining factor I went for the lyngdorf

There is a lot of processor out there that claim to do discrete 9.1.6, but none has the Dolby Codes for 9.1.6. All 7.1.4 or 5.1.6 matrixed post processing...

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« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2018, 11:28 »
Sounds like Jag might be interested to get it? LoL.


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Re: Lyndorf thread
« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2018, 16:31 »
Dont forget this piece also...
Look at their CDP, speaker, and technology... OMG, room correction for their CD Player also.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd-9_f9YgsE



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Re: Lyndorf thread
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2019, 19:27 »
Title wrong spelling.

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Re: Lyngdorf thread
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2019, 20:08 »
thanks for pointing out

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« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2019, 13:30 »
Lyngdorf MP-50 coming soon.....

Manual here -- > http://lyngdorf.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/MP-50-ENG-Manual-August-2018.pdf
White Paper -- > http://lyngdorf.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/MP-50-White-Paper-November-2017.pdf


Lets talk about the Cons first. 4 identified so far

1. Doesnt do Full 4k, only 4k 30hz due to bandwidth limitation 10.2g, though boards are HDMI 2.0a. Unless upgraded to new HDMI 2.1 board, which Lyngdorf has confirmed will be available at a separate cost. Does it matter to me? No. Im using Oppo HDMI out directly in to the OLED. Weakness circumvented

2. Doesnt have analog RCA connections in. Does it matter to me? No. I prefer using this with balanced cable. In fact i prefer it not have any RCA connection from a design point of view. A simple and very good cable ill be using will be the Mogami 2549 with Neutrik Gold Pins, shipped in straight from Japan.

3. Doesnt do Discrete 9.1.6. Only Matrixed 9.1.6. Does it matter to me? No. Dolby hasnt released any of the codes for 9.1.6. So every single AVR in the market now is doing post processing 9.1.6 or however many channels. Ill be hooking this up in a 7.4.8 configuration. A matrixed Centre Top channel (it takes the signal off top front + top back and does post processing to Top Centre). The other front height channel will be getting the same signal as the Top Front vide a XLR Female to 2 Male Splitter.

4. Rolls off the bass < 20hz . This is apparently now fixed with the new firmware 3.09 onwards. Great!

all of which doesnt matter to me...... Will report further if i find out about the cons. I didnt classify expensive as a con, because i got it at a good deal and for what this processor can bring to the entire set up and listening experience, its good!

Will talk about whats so special about this MP-50 soon... on Paper & Real life experience... Stay Tuned..... Something very interesting with Bass Management coming up....

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Re: Lyngdorf thread
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2019, 16:24 »
Lyngdorf MP-50 coming soon.....

Manual here -- > http://lyngdorf.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/MP-50-ENG-Manual-August-2018.pdf
White Paper -- > http://lyngdorf.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/MP-50-White-Paper-November-2017.pdf


Lets talk about the Cons first. 4 identified so far

1. Doesnt do Full 4k, only 4k 30hz due to bandwidth limitation 10.2g, though boards are HDMI 2.0a. Unless upgraded to new HDMI 2.1 board, which Lyngdorf has confirmed will be available at a separate cost. Does it matter to me? No. Im using Oppo HDMI out directly in to the OLED. Weakness circumvented

2. Doesnt have analog RCA connections in. Does it matter to me? No. I prefer using this with balanced cable. In fact i prefer it not have any RCA connection from a design point of view. A simple and very good cable ill be using will be the Mogami 2549 with Neutrik Gold Pins, shipped in straight from Japan.

3. Doesnt do Discrete 9.1.6. Only Matrixed 9.1.6. Does it matter to me? No. Dolby hasnt released any of the codes for 9.1.6. So every single AVR in the market now is doing post processing 9.1.6 or however many channels. Ill be hooking this up in a 7.4.8 configuration. A matrixed Centre Top channel (it takes the signal off top front + top back and does post processing to Top Centre). The other front height channel will be getting the same signal as the Top Front vide a XLR Female to 2 Male Splitter.

4. Rolls off the bass < 20hz . This is apparently now fixed with the new firmware 3.09 onwards. Great!

all of which doesnt matter to me...... Will report further if i find out about the cons. I didnt classify expensive as a con, because i got it at a good deal and for what this processor can bring to the entire set up and listening experience, its good!

Will talk about whats so special about this MP-50 soon... on Paper & Real life experience... Stay Tuned..... Something very interesting with Bass Management coming up....

Official quote from Storm Audio

"The StormAudio processor range supports from 16 up to 32 high-quality audio channels as well as legacy sound formats and the leading 3D audio formats currently available; Auro-3D, Dolby Atmos and DTS:X.
The ISP/I.ISP range is capable to deliver 16 discretely decoded channels and has the ability to go up to 32 channels of post-processing. Currently the processors deliver 16-discrete channels for 9.1.6 Dolby Atmos, 13.1 Auro-3D and 9.1.2 DTS:X. "

So is this discrete 9.1.6 or matrixed ?

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« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2019, 18:05 »
Yes it is “capable” to play 9.1.6 discrete. Hardware is ready, future proof. But nobody has the codes from Dolby to decode 9.1.6. What the storm does is with two chips, one to decode 7.1.4 and the other to decode 5.1.6, this is then matrixed post processing 9.1.6 or however many channels...

But the codes will be provided soon by Dolby one would presume

Dtsx pro however, will be released to trinnov, that will render 32 channels, so the trinnov will Have  the imax enhanced and dtsx pro. None of the processors come close to the trinnov, trinnov is on its league of its own

https://hometheaterreview.com/trinnov-announces-imax-enhanced-and-dtsx-pro-support/

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« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2019, 18:11 »
Yes it is “capable” to play 9.1.6 discrete. Hardware is ready, future proof. But nobody has the codes from Dolby to decode 9.1.6. What the storm does is with two chips, one to decode 7.1.4 and the other to decode 5.1.6, this is then matrixed post processing 9.1.6 or however many channels...

But the codes will be provided soon by Dolby one would presume

Dtsx pro however, will be released to trinnov, that will render 32 channels, so the trinnov will Have  the imax enhanced and dtsx pro. None of the processors come close to the trinnov, trinnov is on its league of its own

https://hometheaterreview.com/trinnov-announces-imax-enhanced-and-dtsx-pro-support/
Oh yes, it's also in a league of it's when it comes to pricing !

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« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2019, 11:43 »
Haha, yea too ex, way beyond my budget ... I’ve a Friend who has it... quite complex interface as well, the distributor provides calibration and imparts the Know How

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« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2019, 19:18 »
Sometimes even if we have the $$$$ to spend on say a high end equipment...it becomes a hard pill to swallow when knowing very well that you are "limited" by the space you have (typical in Singapore these days as space is a "luxury" that many of us simply do not have, especially those newer flats). First, we can't implement anything > 6 heights even the Amp allows for more...next if you are going to sit against the back wall and placement of speakers not ideal...even the highest end model will probably not gonna perform "miracle" here.

I can't stress more on the importance of getting the fundamentals right at the beginning is more important than getting the most high end AV equipment - e.g. proper placement of speakers and subwoofers. If done right, even a decent brand like Whaferdale or Tannoy speaker set can "sound like million dollars"! Of course, if you have a big space to play around with...by all means GET THE BEST THAT YOU CAN AFFORD or MONEY can buy :P

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« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2019, 21:14 »
Haha, yea too ex, way beyond my budget ... I’ve a Friend who has it... quite complex interface as well, the distributor provides calibration and imparts the Know How
Hope Emotiva keeps improving on their processors. Right now it's not great, even with Dirac on board, but I assume they will get it right eventually in a couple of years, they have a 11.5.8 Dolby Atmos capable processor in the pipeline (2020-2021 I assume)
Another hope is if Marantz/Denon ditch audyssey in favour of Dirac Live ! I'm pretty sure they will be going 16 channel processing (pre-pro) soon, it is inevitable, but will they ever ditch Audyssey !
Arcam is another option in the future when they go 16 channel processing, even though they are pricey, they are still well below the price-range of Trinnov, datasat etc.

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« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2019, 07:43 »


Lyngdorf MP-50 in the house now ! Just received my new set from Ohm Sound, the distributor here in Singapore. Unboxing this weekend, can’t wait, but thinking of all the cable management stuff...ahhhh

Next week I’ll be having a “guest”, the Denmark engineer from Lyngdorf will be in town, and will be at my place to calibrate my set up, professionally...

I’m sure he will calibrate to his taste, buts it’s ok, I’m gonna try and pick up as much about the MP-50 from him and squeeze every inch out from this investment...

Time to pick up new EQ skills and knowledge from the engineer....

Stay tuned, lotsa good stuff coming soon ....


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« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2019, 08:14 »
Sometimes even if we have the $$$$ to spend on say a high end equipment...it becomes a hard pill to swallow when knowing very well that you are "limited" by the space you have (typical in Singapore these days as space is a "luxury" that many of us simply do not have, especially those newer flats). First, we can't implement anything > 6 heights even the Amp allows for more...next if you are going to sit against the back wall and placement of speakers not ideal...even the highest end model will probably not gonna perform "miracle" here.

I can't stress more on the importance of getting the fundamentals right at the beginning is more important than getting the most high end AV equipment - e.g. proper placement of speakers and subwoofers. If done right, even a decent brand like Whaferdale or Tannoy speaker set can "sound like million dollars"! Of course, if you have a big space to play around with...by all means GET THE BEST THAT YOU CAN AFFORD or MONEY can buy :P


Yes u r right, fundamentals like the speaker and subwoofer placement, room acoustics, is absolutely critical. With the completion of my room acoustics now, even my LG OLED tv speakers sounds like the monitor audio speakers now, so different. It’s the first time I’m really listening to the characters of the main speakers in my hall now. Still really can’t believe, every morning I wake up and walk out to the hall, only the clock ticking sound tick tock, can be heard.

But once the fundamentals are there, the integration and EQ skills to the set up will be critical, especially for HT. And if u understand the equipment well, u can take it up to the next level. Most people don’t bother to read the forum or manual, just buy plug and play..... that way they are not fully utilising the strength and equipment capabilities

Similar to anthem, the lyngdorf is also required to put in the distance of the speakers and subs manually using a laser measurement tool. I don’t have an issue with that as I can use the Ddrc88a’s Dirac Live to calculate the accurate distance running a 1 point calibration, that includes the subs, and manually put in the numbers onto lyngdorf. Luckily I’ve not sold the second unit.

But I want to understand further the bass management aspect as I’m sure the seaton amplifiers will have delays, so the distance shouldn’t be what we measure by tape , I’ll ask the Lyngdorf engineer this question. Unless the room perfect is so advance it’s having a varying phase response on the fly?

 Mp-50 users, how do u put in the distance on the subs ?


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« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2019, 08:21 »


Lyngdorf MP-50 in the house now ! Just received my new set from Ohm Sound, the distributor here in Singapore. Unboxing this weekend, can’t wait, but thinking of all the cable management stuff...ahhhh

Next week I’ll be having a “guest”, the Denmark engineer from Lyngdorf will be in town, and will be at my place to calibrate my set up, professionally...

I’m sure he will calibrate to his taste, buts it’s ok, I’m gonna try and pick up as much about the MP-50 from him and squeeze every inch out from this investment...

Time to pick up new EQ skills and knowledge from the engineer....

Stay tuned, lotsa good stuff coming soon ....


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Bro, the "extra" service comes with the purchase? or need to pay?  ;D

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« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2019, 08:22 »


Lyngdorf MP-50 in the house now ! Just received my new set from Ohm Sound, the distributor here in Singapore. Unboxing this weekend, can’t wait, but thinking of all the cable management stuff...ahhhh

Next week I’ll be having a “guest”, the Denmark engineer from Lyngdorf will be in town, and will be at my place to calibrate my set up, professionally...

I’m sure he will calibrate to his taste, buts it’s ok, I’m gonna try and pick up as much about the MP-50 from him and squeeze every inch out from this investment...

Time to pick up new EQ skills and knowledge from the engineer....

Stay tuned, lotsa good stuff coming soon ....


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« Reply #24 on: January 16, 2019, 08:34 »
Bro, the "extra" service comes with the purchase? or need to pay?  ;D

“Lucky” package... thanks to Ohm Sound! So happen Lyngdorf engineer will be in town, so “sun bian” ... very nice package I got, no regrets at all!

Don’t worry, I’ll share all the strengths of the mp50 and experience, so every MP-50 owner here will benefit...

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« Reply #25 on: January 16, 2019, 09:17 »
“Lucky” package... thanks to Ohm Sound! So happen Lyngdorf engineer will be in town, so “sun bian” ... very nice package I got, no regrets at all!

Don’t worry, I’ll share all the strengths of the mp50 and experience, so every MP-50 owner here will benefit...

Cheers bro.

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« Reply #26 on: January 16, 2019, 12:46 »
Cheers bro.

U own the lyngdorf MP-50?

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« Reply #27 on: January 16, 2019, 13:07 »
U own the lyngdorf MP-50?

Not at the moment.

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« Reply #28 on: January 16, 2019, 20:26 »

Yes u r right, fundamentals like the speaker and subwoofer placement, room acoustics, is absolutely critical. With the completion of my room acoustics now, even my LG OLED tv speakers sounds like the monitor audio speakers now, so different. It’s the first time I’m really listening to the characters of the main speakers in my hall now. Still really can’t believe, every morning I wake up and walk out to the hall, only the clock ticking sound tick tock, can be heard.

But once the fundamentals are there, the integration and EQ skills to the set up will be critical, especially for HT. And if u understand the equipment well, u can take it up to the next level. Most people don’t bother to read the forum or manual, just buy plug and play..... that way they are not fully utilising the strength and equipment capabilities

Similar to anthem, the lyngdorf is also required to put in the distance of the speakers and subs manually using a laser measurement tool. I don’t have an issue with that as I can use the Ddrc88a’s Dirac Live to calculate the accurate distance running a 1 point calibration, that includes the subs, and manually put in the numbers onto lyngdorf. Luckily I’ve not sold the second unit.

But I want to understand further the bass management aspect as I’m sure the seaton amplifiers will have delays, so the distance shouldn’t be what we measure by tape , I’ll ask the Lyngdorf engineer this question. Unless the room perfect is so advance it’s having a varying phase response on the fly?

 Mp-50 users, how do u put in the distance on the subs ?


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Did you ever question why even Lyndorf does that? LoL...

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« Reply #29 on: January 16, 2019, 20:27 »
Not at the moment.

In the look out for processor now ? Wait first I’ll be the guinea pig ... what will be priceless and invaluable is the knowledge from the engineer and how he will bring out the best in the equipment and I’ll video and share all the tips and strengths of this processor. apparently this lyngdorf and the NaD m17v.2 has the same street price in the USA , so folks are mostly going for this instead...

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« Reply #30 on: January 16, 2019, 20:30 »
Did you ever question why even Lyndorf does that? LoL...

No idea really! We will hear it from the horse mouth next week... when the Lyngdorf calibrator is here in Singapore , I’m very eager to know as well... I’m trying to gather all the points and questions , especially those technical stuff posted in the forums that no one has answers to...

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« Reply #31 on: January 16, 2019, 20:33 »
No idea really! We will hear it from the horse mouth next week... when the Lyngdorf calibrator is here in Singapore , I’m very eager to know as well... I’m trying to gather all the points and questions , especially those technical stuff posted in the forums that no one has answers to...

Yep...I'll wait for the Danish engineer for answers though I have mine from Anthem already. And I already know why "from Anthem's perspective"...I want to compare notes in terms of the rationale between these 2 product lines.

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« Reply #32 on: January 16, 2019, 20:41 »
Yep...I'll wait for the Danish engineer for answers though I have mine from Anthem already. And I already know why "from Anthem's perspective"...I want to compare notes in terms of the rationale between these 2 product lines.

Nice, I’ll share soon when I get the answers , then let us know as well what “anthem”s” EQ programme does and how it handles these delays, I’m sure your JL’s internal subwoofer amplifiers will introduce delays and that should be added to the distance of the sub on anthem avr, but really need to clarify this point...

This whole delay and group delay thing is just too complex... lol but it’s fun!

We all learn something new

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« Reply #33 on: January 16, 2019, 20:57 »
Nice, I’ll share soon when I get the answers , then let us know as well what “anthem”s” EQ programme does and how it handles these delays, I’m sure your JL’s internal subwoofer amplifiers will introduce delays and that should be added to the distance of the sub on anthem avr, but really need to clarify this point...

This whole delay and group delay thing is just too complex... lol but it’s fun!

We all learn something new

Actually it is "we" (the users) who likes to "tinker" that creates this predicament and conundrum for ourselves... :P

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« Reply #34 on: January 17, 2019, 08:40 »
Haha , the tinkerer !!

Ok let’s get down to some more details on room perfect. So here is what I have gathered from other forums, pics from forum



Look at this picture above. The blue shows the in room response. The green is the Global Eq correction from RP, herein after room perfect

If this was my response in the room. Audyssey will eq it flat. It will be a flat target by measurement

If this was Dirac live, the default curve will not be entirely flat, it would be the “perceived flat target” . Meaning Dirac has done research for various rooms and found  a compromise that this target curve will be a good balance for the listeners

A “perceived flat target curve” will look somewhat like this on Dirac , a +2.2db by the time it reaches 20hz, and downward sloping as it approaches 16-20khz



Harman has their own target curve, and it looks somewhat like this...



So every one of them has done extensive research and found that this is the ideal response.

RP’s approach is no different. What they focus on here is on a “ perceived flat target IN THE ROOM” , so if u place your subs at the corner and u r getting a room gain, RP will not attenuate the response. It will retain it. It will try to retain the target curve within that room, hence applying equal loudness at listening positions that is natural, according to the room response. Whilst this may not be the best approach, real listening and experience shows that a “ perceived flat target in the room” is very pleasant and natural sounding, doesn’t give u the “over EQ-Ed” feel. This is why u will see many say it is good for music, because nobody likes using EQ when it comes to music. You will also notice that it fixes the peaks and nulls where necessary without deviating from the in room target curve measured response . This “natural” curve, is now in line with your room and speakers, this will then preserve the dynamics and headroom.

So every house will have different speakers and room acoustics, the RP strives towards bringing out what works best in that particular room

More to follow when I have the actual measurements to confirm this





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« Reply #35 on: January 17, 2019, 08:43 »
In the look out for processor now ? Wait first I’ll be the guinea pig ... what will be priceless and invaluable is the knowledge from the engineer and how he will bring out the best in the equipment and I’ll video and share all the tips and strengths of this processor. apparently this lyngdorf and the NaD m17v.2 has the same street price in the USA , so folks are mostly going for this instead...


Cheers bro.

Waiting for you full review and the implementation.

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Re: Lyngdorf thread
« Reply #36 on: January 17, 2019, 21:07 »
Haha , the tinkerer !!

Ok let’s get down to some more details on room perfect. So here is what I have gathered from other forums, pics from forum



Look at this picture above. The blue shows the in room response. The green is the Global Eq correction from RP, herein after room perfect

If this was my response in the room. Audyssey will eq it flat. It will be a flat target by measurement

If this was Dirac live, the default curve will not be entirely flat, it would be the “perceived flat target” . Meaning Dirac has done research for various rooms and found  a compromise that this target curve will be a good balance for the listeners

A “perceived flat target curve” will look somewhat like this on Dirac , a +2.2db by the time it reaches 20hz, and downward sloping as it approaches 16-20khz



Harman has their own target curve, and it looks somewhat like this...



So every one of them has done extensive research and found that this is the ideal response.

RP’s approach is no different. What they focus on here is on a “ perceived flat target IN THE ROOM” , so if u place your subs at the corner and u r getting a room gain, RP will not attenuate the response. It will retain it. It will try to retain the target curve within that room, hence applying equal loudness at listening positions that is natural, according to the room response. Whilst this may not be the best approach, real listening and experience shows that a “ perceived flat target in the room” is very pleasant and natural sounding, doesn’t give u the “over EQ-Ed” feel. This is why u will see many say it is good for music, because nobody likes using EQ when it comes to music. You will also notice that it fixes the peaks and nulls where necessary without deviating from the in room target curve measured response . This “natural” curve, is now in line with your room and speakers, this will then preserve the dynamics and headroom.

So every house will have different speakers and room acoustics, the RP strives towards bringing out what works best in that particular room

More to follow when I have the actual measurements to confirm this





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At the end of the day, "Be neutral, get the flat response". Another part that we did not mention is the rollover (how steep the rollover curve) also plays an important role to the overall SQ.

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Re: Lyngdorf thread
« Reply #37 on: January 17, 2019, 22:10 »
At the end of the day, "Be neutral, get the flat response". Another part that we did not mention is the rollover (how steep the rollover curve) also plays an important role to the overall SQ.

Hmmm...
Is there a different between roll over and roll off
Specifically in the freq set point in the filter?

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« Reply #38 on: January 17, 2019, 22:11 »
Hmmm...
Is there a different between roll over and roll off
Specifically in the freq set point in the filter?

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Oops I meant to say roll off. LoL



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« Reply #39 on: January 18, 2019, 12:34 »
in the past, i used to have a flat curve, ie with Audyssey's default target curve.

Then i had the antimode dual core, and i prefer using the house curve for the room.

Then came Dirac, same and i still prefer to have a house curve without using the default target curve

In all my experiments above, the house curve is very pleasant, it produces equal loudness at all frequencies, especially from 20-100hz.. The Harman Curve seems closest to what i like. As you go down lower the frequency, the steepness increases. But how steep the curve, it will depend on individual rooms, how linear the curve, this is also critical. The curve should be linear, and non bulging. One manual way i was doing is playing a sine wave using REW tone generator, then moving the cursor along the frequency and listening to the loudness... These were all manually done.  This "perceived flat response" is much much more desirable, compared to Audyssey's flat target

With Lyngdorf RP, there is no need to measure the "in Room Perceived Flat Target", it will be done by the algorithm itself. This is also why many likes the Lyngdorf, its very easy to use, not much of tinkering. Lotsa good quality auto stuff

Lets see how it measures, soon...


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Re: Lyngdorf thread
« Reply #40 on: January 18, 2019, 15:11 »
I'm waiting for your curve as well. Interested to know what's inside the black box calibration.

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« Reply #41 on: January 20, 2019, 18:07 »
I'm waiting for your curve as well. Interested to know what's inside the black box calibration.

Haha, my curve now getting bigger! Lol, bulging tummy curve ! All the food is inside ! Lol


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Re: Lyngdorf thread
« Reply #42 on: January 20, 2019, 18:26 »
Ok unboxing lyngdorf MP50 standby cable wiring... kinda in a mess behind the console... phewwww



The packaging and what’s inside



The remote, quite Long , and comes with the calibration microphone, looks good the built quality with a balanced cable provided, room correction is with the xlr connection on the back of the lyngdorf. Extreme care as once dropped that’s it, gotta get another mic in from Denmark , this one is specially calibrated for use with this unit



It comes with a microphone stand as well. Ive always preferred this type of stand when it comes to calibration, much more versatile. This one is quite sturdy and extends all the way up to the ceiling. According to RP manual, to achieve 100% room knowledge, measuring all the up to the ceiling will provide the software better knowledge of the room acoustics



Available connections at the back of the MP-50... good enough to meet all the requirements . You will notice there are 4 auxiliary connections. I’m using 2 of these for TOP center Atmos, another 2 will be used for dual subs seaton, one stacked in front corner left in the room, another co-located behind MLP . I will not use the LFE for now, using the auxiliary connection will route stereo bass and LFE bass to the subs. I’ll share more on this later. Ditching the front wides for now as placement not ideal. I’ll try instead to toe in the mains to bridge the GAP between mains and surrounds, push the centre speaker slightly backwards to form an arc and bubble



Front top view, nothing special, just some LCD to display settings etc

Removed the subs position to take advantage of what I think will work better on the RP

1st pair of seatons in stacked configuration right in front wall corner, this is to be used full force for goosebumps effects. Lyngdorf advocates corner placement for subwoofers.




2nd pair right behind MLP to balance the load of the 1st stacked version, too bad I can’t stack the second one due to acoustic panels placement.



Getting ready this week for lyngdorf engineer ...

Stay tuned ...


Ps: big thank you to Bro NGSK who popped by to help me carry these heavy subs. Thanks bro, much appreciated ! You will be my guest of honor when it’s ready! Hope I don’t poison u in the process... hahaha



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Re: Lyngdorf thread
« Reply #43 on: January 20, 2019, 19:28 »
Looking goood... :P

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Re: Lyngdorf thread
« Reply #44 on: Today at 08:18 »

Getting ready this week for lyngdorf engineer ...

Stay tuned ...


Ps: big thank you to Bro NGSK who popped by to help me carry these heavy subs. Thanks bro, much appreciated ! You will be my guest of honor when it’s ready! Hope I don’t poison u in the process... hahaha



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No problem bro,anytime.
Looking forward also to demo when everything done.  ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Lyngdorf thread
« Reply #45 on: Today at 08:34 »
Took out my laptop and did a quick simulation of the response from historical measurement data...



The graph above shows stacked subs (in green) and colocated subs (in red)

Let’s see how far off the actual measurements are from the simulated ones... the dip at 12hz is due to the opening at the kitchen... that should go away if the kitchen door is closed , fully sealed Hall.

The stacked subs has a lot of energy/ room gain from 30 down to 8hz

This is the raw version before any EQ, they should complement each other... will take actual measurements tonight then will dismantle the system tomorrow ... so I’ll have raw data before the engineer arrives, this way I can compare and ask the right questions when he is around...


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Re: Lyngdorf thread
« Reply #46 on: Today at 08:55 »
If one observes closely to the graph, you will realise why I picked this combination.

The response from the subs more or less reflects the target curve from harman curve, it’s like a downward sloping curve, even before I start any EQ. This then helps preserves the energy levels from the subs. Meaning the subs don’t have to work hard to achieve the required SPLs and target, hence less or no EQ applied...

This is my approach, minimal EQ by using placement to bring out what’s best about the seatons in this hall...

Next is to let the Lyngdorf do its magic to attenuate the peaks and null... let’s see how good is RP, measured in amplitude and time vs actual listening ...


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