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Re: Cable lifters
« Reply #45 on: June 06, 2018, 17:14 »
Most of the effects can be explained by science.
a detrimental effect may actually be heard by users as a postive one.

When the cable touches metal, resonnace is imparted to the cable subject it to magnetic interference. Depending on the type of metal itself, it will influence the sound. For wood lifters, they also will impart their own resonnace. Different types of wood, different weight, what type of flooring the lifter is on, will have impart different ressonace to the cable. The change in sound due to the detrimental effect may just be what the user want in his/her system. Some user on the other hand may also find that they do not like the effects. Many factors comes into play such as listener preferences equipments environment cable design.
What i personally feel, as long end of the day the music flows and i understand how these effects come about, i am a happy audiophile
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« Reply #46 on: June 07, 2018, 06:18 »
Bro ...

You’re too kind to say so :) … And I couldn’t agree more about some of the pseudo-science going on in this hobby and here on XP
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Re: Cable lifters
« Reply #47 on: June 07, 2018, 06:19 »
We do shoot out.
Against anything of any price, or against no lifters.
Your ears will tell you what's good or better.
Anybody interested. Mythbusters welcome.

IMHO, every individual should do shootouts for themselves, very carefully, and over an extended period of time, but most importantly, be truthfully objective to themselves. There should be no participation from commercially interested pseudo-science Salesmen with mumbo-jumbo theories - grifters and shills induce group polarisation and confirmation bias, which is powerful and can actually impact perception, and creates false positives.

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Re: Cable lifters
« Reply #48 on: June 07, 2018, 07:16 »
The shootout is Multiple AB tests with anything that the participants bring.
I don't even know what they will bring or who is coming.

This meeting, we all can learn a lot.
 


IMHO, every individual should do shootouts for themselves, very carefully, and over an extended period of time, but most importantly, be truthfully objective to themselves. There should be no participation from commercially interested pseudo-science Salesmen with mumbo-jumbo theories - grifters and shills induce group polarisation and confirmation bias, which is powerful and can actually impact perception, and creates false positives.

If you don’t know what I’m talking about, don’t worry, be happy :)
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Re: Cable lifters
« Reply #49 on: June 07, 2018, 09:27 »
The shootout is Multiple AB tests with anything that the participants bring.
I don't even know what they will bring or who is coming.

This meeting, we all can learn a lot.

(Doesn't change anything I posted above)... So, happy for you... Good luck, and enjoy yourselves :)
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Re: Cable lifters
« Reply #50 on: June 07, 2018, 09:36 »
According to Rob Watts, the brain can hear the difference at up to 300db thd for depth perception, that's why cables matter..
https://youtu.be/BXyjsSYjnL8

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« Reply #51 on: June 07, 2018, 09:58 »
IMHO, every individual should do shootouts for themselves, very carefully, and over an extended period of time, but most importantly, be truthfully objective to themselves. There should be no participation from commercially interested pseudo-science Salesmen with mumbo-jumbo theories - grifters and shills induce group polarisation and confirmation bias, which is powerful and can actually impact perception, and creates false positives.

If you don’t know what I’m talking about, don’t worry, be happy :)

(Doesn't change anything I posted above)... So, happy for you... Good luck, and enjoy yourselves :)

AndrewC has pointed out some points, I would call group bullying tactic , and it's valid , in my opinion again , and he should be credited for.

So I would suggest , the ground of AB Testing , or shootout , should be at a neutral's, and attended's opinion should be discuss openly and gentlemanly manner.

I therefore would like to offer my place for a neutral testing ground. You can use my place on any weekday ( 9am to 6pm ). The place is in Simei.

Disclaimer :
Although I consider myself a neutral in this , I have to make it very clear. I do not know or have not dealt any business or leisure transaction with AndrewC, Joamonte, and others except I have bought 4 sets of aluminum footer from AnsuzSIN just a few days ago. 

Addendum :
Light refreshment will be provided or drinking session can be arranged.
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Re: Cable lifters
« Reply #52 on: June 07, 2018, 10:05 »
AndrewC has pointed out some points, I would call group bullying tactic , and it's valid , in my opinion again , and he should be credited for.

So I would suggest , the ground of AB Testing , or shootout , should be at a neutral's, and attended's opinion should be discuss openly and gentlemanly manner.

I therefore would like to offer my place for a neutral testing ground. You can use my place on any weekday ( 9am to 6pm ). The place is in Simei.

Disclaimer :
Although I consider myself a neutral in this , I have to make it very clear. I do not know or have not dealt any business or leisure transaction with AndrewC, Joamonte, and others except I have bought 4 sets of aluminum footer from AnsuzSIN just a few days ago.

I second the AB test. However, why time only 9am to 6pm? Weekday a bit hard for those who working loh.
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Re: Cable lifters
« Reply #53 on: June 07, 2018, 10:29 »
...However, why time only 9am to 6pm? Weekday a bit hard for those who working loh.

For those who are sincere and serious,  they will find time but NATO can give very good excuse:  it's just a hobby,  my day job is more important.

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Re: Cable lifters
« Reply #54 on: June 07, 2018, 10:43 »
For those who are sincere and serious,  they will find time but NATO can give very good excuse:  it's just a hobby,  my day job is more important.

Fix a date and time? Any chance for weekend😅?

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Re: Cable lifters
« Reply #55 on: June 07, 2018, 10:45 »
For those who are sincere and serious,  they will find time but NATO can give very good excuse:  it's just a hobby,  my day job is more important.
I agree that weekend or after working hours is more ideal.

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Re: Cable lifters
« Reply #56 on: June 07, 2018, 12:17 »
For those who are sincere and serious,  they will find time but NATO can give very good excuse:  it's just a hobby,  my day job is more important.

Organizer, could you consider weekend and appreciate you could accommodate on it since many request weekend and after working hours.
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Re: Cable lifters
« Reply #57 on: June 07, 2018, 12:36 »
I do buy back .............. sometimes 1 or 2 years after your purchase at 80% or 90% of your buying price, depending on conditions.
Trade in is usually 100% of your buying price.
It's a well known fact, to all my supporters especially.
If I know you, then you qualify for home trial.

I am aware that you do offer home trial (the good olde take home and try type of trial...buy or don't buy is ok)...along with a few other dealers that I am aware of who do offer that privilege too...namely Alvin of Denafrips, Robert and Yum Yum. As an end user... it is very much appreciated. Buying blind, especially with tweaks (including cables) sucks...or rather high chance that it will suck.

On a side note....AndrewC does bring up excellent points especially "every individual should do shootouts for themselves". Imagine a scenario where... for example...the dealer is in the same room breathing down your neck and planting seeds of "shiok" in your mind. Like taking candy from a kid. Unless it is a close kaki (could be dealer) ... best to do comparison alone.  Actually...I see nothing wrong in this friendly up and coming shootout with dealer being there. Make it like a fun party as the scene is kinda slow now. However...in a situation...like a casual short home trial kind of thing and dealer "must come along" as a condition... I would RUN the other way. ;D Wah kao...super high chance he has intention of BBQing you.
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Re: Cable lifters
« Reply #58 on: June 07, 2018, 17:06 »
I am aware that you do offer home trial (the good olde take home and try type of trial...buy or don't buy is ok)...along with a few other dealers that I am aware of who do offer that privilege too...namely Alvin of Denafrips, Robert and Yum Yum. As an end user... it is very much appreciated. Buying blind, especially with tweaks (including cables) sucks...or rather high chance that it will suck.

On a side note....AndrewC does bring up excellent points especially "every individual should do shootouts for themselves". Imagine a scenario where... for example...the dealer is in the same room breathing down your neck and planting seeds of "shiok" in your mind. Like taking candy from a kid. Unless it is a close kaki (could be dealer) ... best to do comparison alone.  Actually...I see nothing wrong in this friendly up and coming shootout with dealer being there. Make it like a fun party as the scene is kinda slow now. However...in a situation...like a casual short home trial kind of thing and dealer "must come along" as a condition... I would RUN the other way. ;D Wah kao...super high chance he has intention of BBQing you.

I second that for undisturbed home trial at your comfort level and also the chance to experiment different positioning of accessories that may ultimately tweak to our liking.

However the true fact is dealers are also afraid end users will spoil their item and thereafter claim that it was originally faulty. Personally I find it regardless if the dealer is present or not. I did rebuke a dealer previously when he came over for home trial when my system without his item was truly more superior. Importantly we must have a clear idea if the change is to our liking or not and not be swayed by dealer's words even if we decide not to rebuke the dealer out of respect.

Bro AnsuzSIN came to my place a couple of times and I can say that he is not a person who will influence the owner during home trial. He will let owner listen and gladly accept his items back without 2nd question if owner deems the item unsuitable. Definitely no hard selling.

I am also interested in the shootout if time permits.  ;D

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Re: Cable lifters
« Reply #59 on: June 07, 2018, 17:20 »
I confess that I too use lifters but of nonferrous material...

It does keep the wires neatly routed and prevent dust piling up over time. Sound wise IMHO there are many other areas worth more attention and I would put my $$$ in speakers, electronics, PC/IC, power supply, etc...this would be one of very last.

For the fun of it, I saw this  ;D





Bro FW once told me in Rocky Mountain Audio show, Evolution Acoustics used toilet plastic T-JOINT pipe as speaker cable lifters.

Btw, Evolution Acoustic speakers and Dartzeel Audio are bedfellows in most Hifi shows. Their prices are really affordable  ;D ;D .



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