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Offline petetherock

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Need some help bros..
I would like to use one Mac, and play music across a few rooms, which are located on multiple floors.
I understand that the signal for the wifi won't go up to the second floor, and definitely not the attic.
So can I ask, how I can stream music across a few floors / rooms?
Do I use repeaters?
Do they have to be Apple Routers / modems / Extreme (sorry if it's the wrong term)..


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Also, if we have a central optical fibre point, and we build LAN lines to each room, then setup routers in each room / floor, will that work, or do the devices needs to be somehow 'seen' on the same network?

That may lead to a different question on how to make the different routers use the 'same' network.. sorry bros, IT stuff isn't my forte..
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I’d suggest LAN as the core; best done during renovation.

1. Wire a couple of LAN points from each room; WiFi repeater point; TV area; HT area; fiber point; to a central location.
2. At the central location, join all the LAN points to a gigabit dumb switch.
3. At the fiber point; connect one of the router intranet LAN port (typically a set of 4 ports) to your gigabit switch. This basically extends your home subnet to all LAN ports in your house.

By doing the above, the home LAN & wifi will begin the same subnet; so you can stream to any device in the home network.

This is the setup I have, works beautifully.
In my case, the central point is inside the false ceiling (near an access hole). I asked the ID to put a power socket inside the false ceiling to power the  gigabit switch.
Also choose the gigabit switch with a built in fan.


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I use Google wife  across 3 floors and 7 bedrooms. So a mesh network could work. Alternatively use a mixture of AP over LAN.

Repeaters are not recommended due to halving  the bandwidth.

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The next thing is your airplay devices. I haven't found a great solution to that. I'm hopeful that the sonos which are supposed to get updated with airplay 2 in 2018 will solve it for me.
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What I did is using product from Como Audio for streaming music to individual or selected room with the router located on the 2nd floor using cat 6 from the ground floor ONT. No wi-fi extender or bridging router or repeater is deployed after google mesh is installed.

No wi-fi issues at the ground level and 2x google wi-fi mesh units are installed inside the 2 rooms on the 3rd floor to get rid of "dead or blind" wifi spots even with the door closed.

To have a better understanding of the devices which I am using ie Duetto & Amico for multi-room connectivity, check out this link:

https://www.comoaudio.com/


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I use Google wife  across 3 floors and 7 bedrooms. So a mesh network could work. Alternatively use a mixture of AP over LAN.

Repeaters are not recommended due to halving  the bandwidth.
Thanks for the tip, I have a lot to read up on how to do this..
Installing LAN points will be a big job.. those bros who have been to my place will understand why :)
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a. wired LAN is best - and you can use wireless APs to extend coverage throughout the house

b. second best is Mesh. Not as good as wired LAN but at least it kinda works.

multiple wireless APs != Mesh. Wireless AP still need to be connected to a wired LAN port. For Mesh only the main Node is connected to the LAN. But lag is higher

Airport Express can be wired. They run better wired. That way the wireless bandwidth is only for your mobile device like your phone. If the music you are playing is from a NAS or the internet, your wireless bandwidth would be split 3x

e.g. TIDAL from internet/music from NAS ->router -wireless-> phone

phone -wirelessAirplay->router

router wireless -> Airplay Device

Chances of drop outs occur

Personally prefer the use of Roon/TIDAL integration to multiple devices in the house.
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Might want to get a smart gigabit switch instead that supports traffic prioritization like the TPLink 108E instead of 108. Difference is $10 only. Plus they support trunking of multiple gigabit from NAS.
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a. wired LAN is best - and you can use wireless APs to extend coverage throughout the house

b. second best is Mesh. Not as good as wired LAN but at least it kinda works.

multiple wireless APs != Mesh. Wireless AP still need to be connected to a wired LAN port. For Mesh only the main Node is connected to the LAN. But lag is higher

Airport Express can be wired. They run better wired. That way the wireless bandwidth is only for your mobile device like your phone. If the music you are playing is from a NAS or the internet, your wireless bandwidth would be split 3x

e.g. TIDAL from internet/music from NAS ->router -wireless-> phone

phone -wirelessAirplay->router

router wireless -> Airplay Device

Chances of drop outs occur

Personally prefer the use of Roon/TIDAL integration to multiple devices in the house.
Thanks but a lot of it is way over my head...
What's AP? Airplay?
I have a few months, will see how it goes...
Please keep contributing, let me see how I can do this, smoothly, idiot proof and without costing an arm and a leg :)
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AP = access point aka wireless access points.

With the need for 4K streaming, definitely go wired
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Pete, if all that confuses you...just get mesh wifi. Google wifi is the easiest and best value of the lot.

I used to use dedicated routers, 4 of them with 3 setup as AP. Then I switch to enterprise grade unifi switch, AP, controllers and PoE system. Then got bored and went to Google wifi. I'm happiest with Google wifi. Easiest to setup and performance similar or better than the enterprise grade stuff.

Do this and you can then worry about the music

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Pete, if all that confuses you...just get mesh wifi. Google wifi is the easiest and best value of the lot.

I used to use dedicated routers, 4 of them with 3 setup as AP. Then I switch to enterprise grade unifi switch, AP, controllers and PoE system. Then got bored and went to Google wifi. I'm happiest with Google wifi. Easiest to setup and performance similar or better than the enterprise grade stuff.

Do this and you can then worry about the music
Thanks bro
Been doing some reading..
So I don't need LAN ports then?
Can they 'beam' across floors? Or do I need to lay LAN ports on different floors?
https://blog.google/products/google-wifi/making-mesh-your-wi-fi/
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AP = access point aka wireless access points.

With the need for 4K streaming, definitely go wired
Thanks, will using AP allow me to be on the same network for Airplay?
https://www.linksys.com/us/r/resource-center/what-is-a-wifi-access-point/
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If laying wire is an option to all floors and room, just do it. Mesh is next best option if lan is not available. Everything will work as 1 common network for you to see all devices.