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The Flash [Possible Spoilers Inside]
« on: April 02, 2015, 10:49 »
Dear all

In view of the continued interest in the Flash, I have decided to start a new thread to continue discussion on our favourite Scarlet Speedster.

Pls not that the discussion would probably be fairly current and will contain possible spoilers. So pls read the posts at your own risk and discretion if you do not want to be spoilt!

Continuing from the old thread

This week's episode was fun to watch. "I am your father" LMAO

And the Reverse Flash gets some back story.

I am not sure I like the idea that Eddie knows the secret identity tho

OMG! When I saw that and with his background playing Luke, I was ROTFL! In fact I think I will do a meme up when I have the time. Its just too good to let this one slip!

I like the Reverse Flash and Harrison Wells story. At least its starting to make sense and the battle between Flash and Reverse Flash was epic. But as with all time travel story, its kinda of a mindf**k when you try to wrap your mind around it and goes - WTF! It wont make complete sense.

And just as we were discussing about his ability to vibrate through solid object, he finally learn how to do that!

And if we thought this ep was epic, take a look at the trailer for the next one! The whole gang here! Arrow, Atom, Firestorm and I think I may even have caught a glimpse of Vibe (Cisco superhero identity) in there. All these and Grodd too!

And its not even the season finale. What they do have planned for the season finale??

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/Tpi1XkW8dFc&fs=1" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/Tpi1XkW8dFc&fs=1</a>
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Re: The Flash [Possible Spoilers Inside]
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2015, 15:34 »
that trailer for the next few episodes.. freaking awesome...

ps lonewolf..

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/snF-FqfJna4&fs=1" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/snF-FqfJna4&fs=1</a>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snF-FqfJna4
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Re: The Flash [Possible Spoilers Inside]
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2015, 15:39 »
Nice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoD-nQP_RMo

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Re: The Flash [Possible Spoilers Inside]
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2015, 17:16 »
Bro, your 2 videos are old news!!  Just finished episode 17 last night already!! ;D

Getting more interesting by the episodes! :o

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Re: The Flash [Possible Spoilers Inside]
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2015, 18:35 »
I know francis. Those 2 vids were in response to lonewolf's comments ;)
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Re: The Flash [Possible Spoilers Inside]
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2015, 22:09 »
Nice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoD-nQP_RMo

Very nice indeed. In our excitement, I forgot that Wells mention the Speed Force  while he was tutoring Barry thorough how to vibrate through solid object.

In the comics,  Speed Force is an energy field which all the DC universe speedsters are able to tap to allow them to move at high speed. Whether the concept is the same with the TV series remain to be seen. Though the wiki entry did mention that it has been confirmed the mechanics and workings of the concept will be examined in depth by the end of the series. I suspect it will be used to explain Barry's time travel ability.

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Re: The Flash [Possible Spoilers Inside]
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2015, 14:45 »
Wow! What a great episode!
I think this episode (17) gave us more questions than answers, but oh what a ride!

Mark Hamill was excellent as Trickster. I must admit, I did not catch the "I am your father" joke, simply because I couldn't even recognize it was Hamill.

So many questions for me.
The biggest question I have was when the guy overturned Wells' car, then he said - "She's been dead for hundreds of years". Wonder what that means?
Of course, another question would be - "What happened to the real Harrison Wells?"

But anyway, good episode! Now can't wait for the next.

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Re: The Flash [Possible Spoilers Inside]
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2015, 15:09 »
Silencer

To answer - two things.

Reverse Flash mentioned in the alternate timeline that Cisco and others were already dead for centuries to him. I'd imagine it would be the same for Tess and Wells.

Tess wouldn't have died in the accident. Reverse Flash told Wells that in 2020 I think, Wells and Tess would build that accelerator that gave Flash his powers. But he needed it to happen earlier than that.

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Re: The Flash [Possible Spoilers Inside]
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2015, 15:37 »
Thanks, Doggie. That sorts of makes sense.  :)

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Re: The Flash [Possible Spoilers Inside]
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2015, 19:13 »
Silencer

To answer - two things.

Reverse Flash mentioned in the alternate timeline that Cisco and others were already dead for centuries to him. I'd imagine it would be the same for Tess and Wells.

Tess wouldn't have died in the accident. Reverse Flash told Wells that in 2020 I think, Wells and Tess would build that accelerator that gave Flash his powers. But he needed it to happen earlier than that.

The Reverse Flash (or Eobard Thawne) comes from the future. (In the comics he is from the 25th Century). So that is why to him, people like Tess and Cisco has been dead for centuries.

At the start of the episode we seen him battling with The Flash as they breached the time barrier and traveled back to time. Unlike Barry, the Reverse Flash's powers is not innate and is artificially imbued with the Speed Force. After his battle, his cells was drained of the Speed Force, thus robbing of his super speed powers and his ability to travel through time. So he was stuck in the past.

He needed the particle accelerator to be complete ahead of time and killed Tess and Wells then assume the identity of Wells. Strictly speaking the particle accelerator did not give Barry his powers, but rather it was the accident at the accelerator that was the catalyst of his ability to tap into the Speed Force. 

I think we can now conclude that the accident was probably engineered by Thawne. So the name Eddie Thawne (aka Iris's boyfriend) was a red herring after all. But I believe Thawne mentioned it in a previous episode that they are related. So the Reverse Flash is probably an descendant of Eddie!

He is doing all these so that he can regained his superspeed powers, break the time barrier and go back to his own time.
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Re: The Flash [Possible Spoilers Inside]
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2015, 20:35 »
Which also explains why he is always checking with Gideon on the news in the future which says Flash has disappeared.

Something that Reverse Flash did has caused Flash to disappear in the future. It would be interesting if future Flash is somehow also trapped in this timeline.
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Re: The Flash [Possible Spoilers Inside]
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2015, 10:09 »
Here's a trailer released at Wondercon that gives a sneak peek at the upcoming episodes of the Flash!

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/SkZ9xtPJuBA&fs=1" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/SkZ9xtPJuBA&fs=1</a>

Lots of things happening in there. I think I see Eddie turning rouge there and shooting policemen! Barry kissing Caitlin seems like a logical conclusion to all the sexual tension between them but I can't see how this will work out. If the producers remain true to the comics (or as true as they can be) then nothing good will come out of that.

Caitlin has been an able team member so far that I think many of us forget that she is a super-villain called Killer Frost .  Or maybe the writers wont go there with her character.

And of cos one thing that cropped up was whether Barry should even attempt to save his mother. 'How many more will die so that your mother lives?' asked Wells.

In fact this was the very premise of the event changing series Flashpoint. In that series, Barry went back in time to save his mother but in the process everything got screwed up. Superman ship landed in a city, he was captured and kept prisoner all his life. Bruce died in the mugging and his father Thomas become Batman. Atlantis fight a bitter war with the Amazon after the divorce of Diana and Arthur etc etc. Flashpoint eventually lead to the new 52 when Barry went back and basically 'created' a new timeline.

So we can see some elements of that story creeping in to the overall plot of the line. Maybe not the other DC superheroes stuff but certainly the consequences of altering timeline is a story worth telling over and over again.

Which also explains why he is always checking with Gideon on the news in the future which says Flash has disappeared.

Something that Reverse Flash did has caused Flash to disappear in the future. It would be interesting if future Flash is somehow also trapped in this timeline.

You know when I first read your reply, I dismissed it outright but after digesting all the discussions and speculation on the recent episodes, you may be on to something. Some eagle eye folks with plenty of patience noticed something in the Reverse Flash-The Flash fight at Barry's house in ep 17. Barry is wearing a different costume with the white chestplate (which is closer to the comics costume) as opposed to his current red chestplate. Actually you can see that if you freeze the trailer at around 9-10s.

So this means this battle takes place way ahead when Barry change his costume or it may be 'another' Barry which has come back to save his younger self. Does that sound crazy? In the trailer at ard 1:27 I see Barry fighting anther Flash!

Confused? Yeah. That's why I hate time travel stories. So I think I'm going to stop speculating now.  :P

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Re: The Flash [Possible Spoilers Inside]
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2015, 10:48 »
Ep 18 featuring Felicity and The Atoms was somehow less epic than I expected.

It felt a little 'forced' to me though the premise of Ray asking for STAR labs help to refine his ATOM suit makes sense. I think the 'purist' in me is still a little cringing that ATOM has become more like Iron Man than the unique hero that he is. So however cool the ATOM suit is, I think a size shrinking Atom would be infinitely better.

However the most interesting aspect about this episode is Cisco's seemingly 'nightmares' which he is having about Reverse Flash killing him. Of cos that was supposed to be the timeline until Barry retcon it by travelling back in time. But there is this axiom in time travel that certain events are irreversible and will happen regardless of what you try to do.

So the fact that Cisco is having memory/nightmare of events from an alternate timeline may suggest that Cisco dying may be such an inevitable event. It would be bold of the writers to kill off Cisco since he bring some level of balance to the show; not only with his incredible scientific and technical skill but his comic relief moment. We shall see.

Here an extended promo for the next episode - Who is Harrison Wells?

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/aFaYm3RQcVM&fs=1" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/aFaYm3RQcVM&fs=1</a>

We have seen some scenes in the extended WonderCon trailer. Eddie seemingly turning rouge. The Rouge escaping. Cisco meeting Black Canary (Its been rumoured that Cisco will be responsible for giving Black Canary her 'powers'). Detective West and Lance finding Well's Skeleton remains. Barry kissing Catalin. Flash fighting another Flash.

But Flash beating up on Eddie seems new. Could Eddie be the other Flash? Did Eobard Thawne imbue his 'distant relative' with superspeed to wind up Barry in some way? The promo hinted at loyalties being tested and sides being chosen. I wondered who among Barry's closest ally will side with Wells. Eddie would be the obvious choice but perhaps too obvious. Is there another shocker that we are in for?

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Re: The Flash [Possible Spoilers Inside]
« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2015, 09:33 »
And this 'inside' clip explains a lot of questions raised in the extended promo for the next episode post in the previous post.

So yeah. Pls dun press 'PLAY' if you dun want to be spoilt. You have been warned!

A spoiler warning in a thread with spoiler warning? Hell yeah! If Zack can post a trailer to his trailer, I can also do something similar. ;D

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Re: The Flash [Possible Spoilers Inside]
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2015, 11:17 »
I feel a bit cheated :)

Eddie "turning bad" and shooting cops, Barry kissing Caitlyn.. almost as bad as a "it was all a dream" storyline. I think I wouldn't have felt as cheated if they didn't show it in the promo before :)

Still, it was a good episode. I kinda liked Harrison Wells.

ps wasn't Tess Morgan also mentioned in Smallville?

I also liked the hints of other DC characters - I saw a signpost advertising Ferris Aerospace.
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