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Re: Ken kreisel subwoofer owner
« Reply #90 on: February 07, 2013, 15:09 »
I could do up a couple for you if I can find some spare resistors and RCA plugs in my DIY bin. I'll PM you.
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Re: Ken kreisel subwoofer owner
« Reply #91 on: February 09, 2013, 16:05 »
KK sub owners,

Do you need a y-cable splitter (from AVR---RCA----Y-Cable---2xRCA connectors on sub) to connect to the 2 unbalanced RCA connectors on your KK sub? Just wanted to make sure I get the y-cable if it is required. Thanks!

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Re: Ken kreisel subwoofer owner
« Reply #92 on: February 09, 2013, 17:26 »
If your amp only one output sub cab take one input as normally summed internally anyway. Only if you have stereo sub output u need to use both at the sub end too
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Re: Ken kreisel subwoofer owner
« Reply #93 on: February 10, 2013, 15:11 »
We are not second hand dealer , all items we sell as used are tradedin from our customer and we don't rate it condition but for the buyer to decide on it own.
From time to time we may sell off some New but open up used for rental/standby/loan items and to ensure they cant be sold as Brand new , we will dispose off the box.
For viewing of used items.Please text@96387418 to arrange as they may not be connected or stack up in storage or in our other location.

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We are not second hand dealer , all items we sell as used are tradedin from our customer and we don't rate it condition but for the buyer to decide on it own.
From time to time we may sell off some New but open up used for rental/standby/loan items and to ensure they cant be sold as Brand new , we will dispose off the box.
For viewing of used items.Please text@96387418 to arrange as they may not be connected or stack up in storage or in our other location.

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Re: Ken kreisel subwoofer owner
« Reply #95 on: February 13, 2013, 23:35 »
Everytime i fired up my KK sub, it never fails to put a grin on my face.  : )
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Re: Ken kreisel subwoofer owner
« Reply #96 on: February 23, 2013, 19:33 »
From the man,

You might find the reference below to the Dolby Theater (yes, Dolby Laboratories) and the Academy Awards of interest. 

I am very happy to announce that the new LIMITED EDITION KEN KREISEL QUATTRO-Series 11.1 TriFX speaker system is now officially available in the USA as of February 22, although they are almost completely sold out with pre-orders. The world's first KEN KREISEL QUATTRO TriFX speaker system installation has recently been completed in the very prestigious DOLBY THEATER in Hollywood California where the 85th Academy Awards broadcast will take place this Sunday.
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We are not second hand dealer , all items we sell as used are tradedin from our customer and we don't rate it condition but for the buyer to decide on it own.
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Re: Ken kreisel subwoofer owner
« Reply #97 on: February 26, 2013, 08:48 »
Just another interesting review from AV forum UK:

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Originally Posted by Arcam_boy

You may have a small review from a forum member very shortly who's been given a tour of the KK factory whilst on holiday in L.A.
 
He's a massive MK fan and is running 150's so it'll be interesting to see what he thinks. I'm sure he'll put an update on shortly :-)
 
Well that would be me
 
A little bit of background for those that do not know me. I am a massive M&K fan as Arcam_boy has mentioned. I have a S150/SS150/MX350 system and also a 750THX/S55T system. I've been an M&K owner for over 14 years, I love my movies and still frequent cinemas to enjoy movies in the environment they were originally designed to be experienced in.

I was lucky enough and privileged to visit KKSOUND and their sound demo room while on vacation in LA. Ken was very busy on the day meeting deadlines on new speaker designs, although he kindly arranged my visit to meet Chris Sahakians who has worked with Ken since the old M&K Sound/Miller & Kreisel Sound days. Chris was a great host and comes from a mixing background.
 
I arrived at noon and was there for a couple of hours but as always when you're having fun, time went too fast!! Chris explained what the demo room had set up, which at the time was the new Q85 speakers for L/R duties with twin DXD2012 subs. Surround speakers were original M&K Sound/Miller & Kreisel Sound tripole column surrounds.

The room serves as a demo room, testing lab and evaluation facility. There was no center speaker unfortunately as Dolby labs wanted some speakers for their Dolby Theater on Hollywood Blvd, which is where the upcoming Oscars are held and broadcasted from, so they turned to Ken and Chris for a system. Chris had to let the centre speaker go to fulfill the order from Dolby (damn you Dolby!) Joking aside, I was humbled that I'm in the presence of the guys that Dolby turn to when they need a speaker system. You just can't buy that kind of endorsement!
 
I also have to mention the room. The room did not have a lot of fancy room treatments, just some basic treatment at the front and rear as it was made from drywall on all sides and did not have many furnishings like real world rooms. Ken has always designed his speakers to sound good in most rooms and that's probably why THX approached him to help with the Home THX program. Chris mentioned that for testing, if the speakers Ken makes sound good in this room, they will sound even better in real world rooms of Home Theater enthusiasts. There was no electronic room eq applied via the amps or processor.
 
For my visit, the in house system was set up with a phantom centre for movie watching. Not ideal in a purist sense (and Chris agreed), but when I heard the system as a whole, I was not missing the centre speaker as the system was set up SO well.
 
The room also had a DXD12012 QUATTRO DUO stack (4 subs at either end of the screen) and also a DXD808 QUATTRO stack (which is comprised of 4subs). However, I was happy to hear the DXD 12012 DUO subs with the new Quattro Series Q85 speakers as there would be no way I would get away with 4 subs at each end of my room. Chris was hoping that he would have the Quattro Series Q125's as well for demo, but they weren’t available at the time. Saying that, most of the shipment is spoken for with international distributors. And then Dolby also has some…....

Still, I was more than happy to hear what the Q85's could do with the DXD-12012 DUO stacked subs.
 
We started with 2 channel and Pink Floyd. I was most impressed with how well the subs were integrated with the Q85 speakers. The sound stage created was HUGE and I listened from various places on the sofa and it just sounded great. Individual instruments came through very clearly. I was very surprised at the soundstage the Q85 speakers created with the DXD-12012 DUO subwoofers. Detail was there in spades and the extra tweeter really helped bring out the smallest sounds in the mix. Take it from me folks - these speakers are gooood!
 
Once I had my fill, we moved on to movie watching and the first disc that went in was Pearl Harbor. It seemed appropriate as it was mixed on M&K Sound/Miller & Kreisel Sound speakers and won an oscar for best sound

I was really interested to hear this as the attack on the docked ships is one of my reference clips. Given that there was no centre speaker, I was even more interested to hear this clip as it is a reference for me. I sat slap bang in the centre line of the speakers. Because the L/R speakers were so well in phase, I did not (surprisingly for me) miss the centre channel - at all. Dialogue came from were it should have. Obviously, had I been at the far end of the couch, it would have sounded very different.
 
So Pearl Harbor was given a thorough work out and those familiar with M&K Sound/Miller & Kreisel Sound speakers will know just how impactful these speakers are with this movie.
 
Let me say, Ken has lost none of his magic in speaker design and I was amazed at just how good the Q85's were for movies.
 
Coming from an S150 background, it takes a lot to impress me when it comes to dynamics and slam and I was missing none of that with the Q85's. If anything, the extra tweeter made the HF slightly better than my S150 speaker in my opinion. The DXD-12012 subs also helped do their part.
 
I then moved on to MI4 and the clip with Tom doing his bit for vertigo sufferers and then the sand storm/car chase. I used the clip of Tom running down the side of the tower and then his subsequent head butt into the top of the open window frame to test the speakers/subs ability to be impactful and quick in transients.
 
Again, my jaw was on the floor when I heard this clip on the Q85's. The performance came very close to S150 levels and if anything, better than what I heard at the cinema and I saw the movies 3 times in the cinema! I distinctly remember this scene for its’ sound. I had to remind myself that this was without a center speaker!

Chris advised me that it would have been even better with a center and yes it would have been. But still, I was not missing the center speaker as I was in the sweet spot. The Q85's did nothing wrong- honestly, I could not fault them.
 
We then moved onto the sandstorm scene were the sand comes through a building opening, behind Tom Cruise while he is running towards the camera. Music and effects are in abundance with this clip. This clip had my trousers flapping with the bass of the 2 subs.
 

 

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Re: Ken kreisel subwoofer owner
« Reply #98 on: February 26, 2013, 08:48 »
Those DXD-12012 DUO stack subs really do create the sense of impending doom and danger to the hero and added great tension to the scene. More so than my single MX350 sub. Faster, tighter and more agile is how I would describe the new subs.
 
When Tom gets hit by the car, I was wincing and in reality, he really should have had some broken bones . The whole sandstorm sound field came alive with the system and the tripole column surrounds did not miss a trick. When Tom crashes the BMW, the resulting impact, clarity and smooth top end was jaw dropping. I just sat there with a huge huge smile on my face .
 
Incidentally I watched watched Top Gun the previous night in IMAX 3D (it sounded fantastic by the way) and these new KK speakers reminded me of the sound character I heard in that top flight (no pun intended) IMAX theater. M&K Sound/Miller & Kreisel Sound owners will know just how cinematic their speakers are, the Kreisel Sound Quattro Series Q85's continue that tradition……… and then some.
 
The drivers and tweeters used in the new Quattro Series speakers are advanced features and brand new designs than Ken’s previous M&K Sound/Miller & Kreisel Sound speakers from what I was told and the new drivers certainly bring the performance gap closer to the S150 speaker in my view. The Q125 speaker with the extra mid bass driver will in my view (based on what I heard with the Q85) bring the performance level of the Quatro Series 125 very very close to my original S150 speaker. However, the Q85 can certainly hold its' own.
 
The Quattro Series speakers are timbre matched to the original M&K Sound/Miller & Kreisel Sound S150, so can be easily added to existing M&K Sound/Miller & Kreisel Sound systems with ease ie Front Height/Wides etc.
 
The other great thing to see was that the Quattro Series speakers have multiple mounting options on the rear of the cabinets – that will accept existing M&K Sound/Miller & Kreisel Sound brackets, Omnimount etc
 
The other new thing for me that raised an eyebrow was the ability to Bi amp the Quattro Series speakers – bi-amping capability! A lot of people (myself included) would have liked a bi-amping option on the S150's and it seems that Ken has listened to the fans. Chris told me that bi-amping will add another level of performance should a user wish to do that. Chris also advised me that Q125 speaker will have more output than the standard S150 when bi-amped.
 
Something that I specifically asked Chris was about quality control under the KK banner. Quality Control was something that (for me) M&K Sound/Miller & Kreisel Sound was world recognised for.
 
It was fantastic to hear is that EVERY SINGLE KK SPEAKER made is tested, re tested and listen to prior to shipment and all the DXD subwoofers have to pass several quality control tests that are conducted in Southern California before they get shipped. Ken has his own team in the far east overseeing the QC that M&K Sound/Miller & Kreisel Sound was renowned for and I was most pleased to hear that this is still the case. So the legendary M&K Sound/Miller & Kreisel Sound quality control is still alive and well under the KK banner.
 
There will also be some US made speakers coming in the next 12 months and Ken is VERY busy with new designs on active Pro studio monitors and even more fantastic sub designs! The future is looking good for Home Theater fans.
 
Last but not least, the Quattro Series speakers have Ken’s Signature Sound.

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Re: Ken kreisel subwoofer owner
« Reply #99 on: March 02, 2013, 23:12 »
1) sdds ( Dual DXD12012 ) .
2) NCMK (1 DXD12012)
3) ralfale (Dual DXD808)
4) Francis Huang (Dual DXD12012)
5) samglamour49 ( 1 DXD12012)
6)kenahamtan (Dual DXD808)
7) Ronildoq (1 DXD12012)

So damn Satisfied with the KK, one word to sum it up " Beautiful" ..................... Thanks Peng :)

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Re: Ken kreisel subwoofer owner
« Reply #100 on: March 04, 2013, 11:48 »
1) sdds ( Dual DXD12012 ) .
2) NCMK (1 DXD12012)
3) ralfale (Dual DXD808)
4) Francis Huang (Dual DXD12012)
5) samglamour49 ( 1 DXD12012)
6)kenahamtan (Dual DXD808)
7) Ronildoq (1 DXD12012)
8) matthewt (1 x DXD808)

Just hooked up the DXD808 to my new HT setup last night, guess it is still running in 'cos fiancee mentioned bass not low enuff lol. The DXD808 sub is placed in a corner about 4 inch from back and side walls. Weird thing is when performing MCACC on the Pioneer LX56, the sub volume level was indicated as too high (bass level set to green dot). Anyway, will observe and continue to run in the system, read online that the KK sub take quite a while to run in b4 achieving optimum performance. The MCACC test tones though was freaking loud that we went to take cover in our bedroom ;D
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Re: Ken kreisel subwoofer owner
« Reply #101 on: March 04, 2013, 15:14 »
1) sdds ( Dual DXD12012 ) .
2) NCMK (1 DXD12012)
3) ralfale (Dual DXD808)
4) Francis Huang (Dual DXD12012)
5) samglamour49 ( 1 DXD12012)
6)kenahamtan (Dual DXD808)
7) Ronildoq (1 DXD12012)

So damn Satisfied with the KK, one word to sum it up " Beautiful" ..................... Thanks Peng :)

You are the one,what AVR you use ?
We are not second hand dealer , all items we sell as used are tradedin from our customer and we don't rate it condition but for the buyer to decide on it own.
From time to time we may sell off some New but open up used for rental/standby/loan items and to ensure they cant be sold as Brand new , we will dispose off the box.
For viewing of used items.Please text@96387418 to arrange as they may not be connected or stack up in storage or in our other location.

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Re: Ken kreisel subwoofer owner
« Reply #102 on: March 04, 2013, 15:19 »
Avr has set too low a volume for sub in its room eq
1) sdds ( Dual DXD12012 ) .
2) NCMK (1 DXD12012)
3) ralfale (Dual DXD808)
4) Francis Huang (Dual DXD12012)
5) samglamour49 ( 1 DXD12012)
6)kenahamtan (Dual DXD808)
7) Ronildoq (1 DXD12012)
8) matthewt (1 x DXD808)

Just hooked up the DXD808 to my new HT setup last night, guess it is still running in 'cos fiancee mentioned bass not low enuf f lol. The DXD808 sub is placed in a corner about 4 inch from back and side walls. Weird thing is when performing MCACC on the Pioneer LX56, the sub volume level was indicated as too high (bass level set to green dot). Anyway, will observe and continue to run in the system, read online that the KK sub take quite a while to run in b4 achieving optimum performance. The MCACC test tones though was freaking loud that we went to take cover in our bedroom ;D
Stack stack stack !

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Re: Ken kreisel subwoofer owner
« Reply #103 on: March 04, 2013, 15:22 »

Just hooked up the DXD808 to my new HT setup last night, guess it is still running in 'cos fiancee mentioned bass not low enuff lol. The DXD808 sub is placed in a corner about 4 inch from back and side walls. Weird thing is when performing MCACC on the Pioneer LX56, the sub volume level was indicated as too high (bass level set to green dot). Anyway, will observe and continue to run in the system, read online that the KK sub take quite a while to run in b4 achieving optimum performance. The MCACC test tones though was freaking loud that we went to take cover in our bedroom ;D

That is weird, I hv tested all the latest 922 ,1022 and Lx series and also using the LX56 at level 3 to drive the KK speaker and sub with no issue ! anyway will try it out again later see can find out what happen.
after the mcacc , you can try passby and reduce the freq to match your speaker if you want to get more low extension .
We are not second hand dealer , all items we sell as used are tradedin from our customer and we don't rate it condition but for the buyer to decide on it own.
From time to time we may sell off some New but open up used for rental/standby/loan items and to ensure they cant be sold as Brand new , we will dispose off the box.
For viewing of used items.Please text@96387418 to arrange as they may not be connected or stack up in storage or in our other location.

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Re: Ken kreisel subwoofer owner
« Reply #104 on: March 04, 2013, 20:38 »
That is weird, I hv tested all the latest 922 ,1022 and Lx series and also using the LX56 at level 3 to drive the KK speaker and sub with no issue ! anyway will try it out again later see can find out what happen.
after the mcacc , you can try passby and reduce the freq to match your speaker if you want to get more low extension .

The AVR has set the sub channel level to be -12db, measured distance of sub from the primary listening position was indicated as around 3.9m. Looks like the AVR may have set it too low as francishuang has mentioned.