Topic: Tighter Bass - Advice Needed

[HoopzDreamz]

Hi,

My current set up is as follows:

DynAudio 82
Exposure 3010
Logitech SqueezeBox Touch
QED Speaker Cable
Chord Crimson Plus I/C

I am generally happy with my set up at the budget I have pumped in. At the moment, I am hoping to achieve a tighter bass with a budget of between $200 - $400.

My suspicion is that my cables are not doing the amp and speakers justice. I might be wrong and therefore, I appreciate your input.

Many thanks in advance!

[CASH]

try getting pure silver cables and interconnects. don't get silver plated over copper cables as these will make your system sound too bright and harsh!
pure silver will definitely tighten up the bass.

[malsound]

You did not mention anything about speaker stand or equipment racks, this things is fundamentally crucial for bass reproduction.

[yp]

Hi HD,

For me, my floorstanding speakers, had the option for it to be mass loaded or not.

For me, by mass loading it, one actually tune the bass coming out from the speakers.

By not mass loading it with lead shots, the bass is much boomier and by mass loading it with very fine lead shots, the bass will get much tighter. This is an effective way as will hear the sound difference immediately, without any need to change yr speaker cables or interconnects etc.

P.S. Not every speaker can be mass loaded. Please check with the local agent before trying out this option.

Regards,
YP

[joamonte]

Hi HD,

For me, my floorstanding speakers, had the option for it to be mass loaded or not.

For me, by mass loading it, one actually tune the bass coming out from the speakers.

By not mass loading it with lead shots, the bass is much boomier and by mass loading it with very fine lead shots, the bass will get much tighter. This is an effective way as will hear the sound difference immediately, without any need to change yr speaker cables or interconnects etc.

P.S. Not every speaker can be mass loaded. Please check with the local agent before trying out this option.

Regards,
YP

Where to find fine lead shot in Singapore may I ask?

[yp]

Hi,

Used to get it from Audionote when I bought my Totem Sttaf.

Regards,
YP

[HoopzDreamz]

try getting pure silver cables and interconnects. don't get silver plated over copper cables as these will make your system sound too bright and harsh!
pure silver will definitely tighten up the bass.

Thanks for all the input.

Pure silver ic and speaker cables.

Anyone with first hand experience upgrading from copper to pure silver?

Any brand + model to recommend?

[Doggie Howser]

I think if your bass is boomy and I think Dynaudios aren't usually boomy, chances are it's the room. Give your speakers more space from the wall and if that still doesn't fix it, PM Joamonte for a consult.

[YH]

Really good quality pure silver cables are not cheap.  I've used Kimber Silver streak and older Audioquest sterling, good stuff
Not sure if 200-400 dollars will get you something like this, maybe if you look for used stuff.

My own suspicion is that your exposure is not up to driving your dyns properly.  Dyns are famous for being power and current hungry, with the 4 ohm impedance not particularly amplifier-friendly.

Thanks for all the input.

Pure silver ic and speaker cables.

Anyone with first hand experience upgrading from copper to pure silver?

Any brand + model to recommend?

[deaf.eye]

I think if your bass is boomy and I think Dynaudios aren't usually boomy, chances are it's the room.

[petetherock]

I think if your bass is boomy and I think Dynaudios aren't usually boomy, chances are it's the room. Give your speakers more space from the wall and if that still doesn't fix it, PM Joamonte for a consult.

Of all the suggestions so far, IMHO, DH has the best.
Like most men we often tend to read the first two lines of the text only...
Some have even recommended speaker stands??? For a floorstander? 

The Audience 82 is a big floorstander, and TS has not given a lot of info - typical inconsiderate newbie! 
Room size, type of furnishing all influence the sound.
Shifting the speakers is a free tweak.

IMHO, the cables do matter, but come after room dynamics, and equipment racks will be one of the last tweaks...

But hey, that's just my 1 cent worth... feel free to spend that money or do as DH mentioned, spend some of that $$ buying Joamonte kopi and humbly asking him for some info.

Joamonte :
Fine lead shots are hard to come by locally, but Silver Sand is easy, and if you fill it into strong bags, that will work too.

[petetherock]

And as for the amp: http://www.stereophile.com/integratedamps/608exp/index.html

On the positive side, the 3010S had a more commanding bottom octave: deeper than my recollection of the less expensive amp, and tauter and more detailed as well.

The Exposure amp is a pretty impressive amp, it is unlikely that this is the issue, especially since TS did not complain about it earlier..
http://www.stereophile.com/content/exposure-3010s-integrated-amplifier-measurements

 
 Fig.3 Exposure 3010S, small-signal 10kHz squarewave into 8 ohms.
 The S/N ratio for the line input, measured with the input shorted but the volume control wide open, was 73dB ref. 1V (wideband, unweighted), this improving slightly to 78.6dB when A-weighted. Claimed to deliver 110Wpc into 8 ohms (20.4dBW), the Exposure easily exceeded that maximum power rating, with 140Wpc (21.5dBW) available at clipping into that load (clipping defined as 1% THD+noise). The maximum power into 4 ohms was 200Wpc (20dBW), again with both channels driven. Fig.4 shows how the THD+N percentage present in the amplifier's output varies with power into 8 and 4 ohms; the shape of the traces in this graph indicates that, below a few tens of watts, the distortion present is actually below the amplifier's noise floor with this 1kHz signal.

[virtueblue]

I also feel that the problem lies in the room. I think that cable in this case is not the main culprit. I had bass boom problem too and no matter what I do it just doesn't help. Joamonte came to my place to give me some advice and helped me to address some room treatment issues, thereafter it has a very significant improvement.

Cheers.

[malsound]

Of all the suggestions so far, IMHO, DH has the best.
Like most men we often tend to read the first two lines of the text only...
Some have even recommended speaker stands??? For a floorstander? 

The Audience 82 is a big floorstander, and TS has not given a lot of info - typical inconsiderate newbie! 

Me Bad  could have swear I saw Audience 42. now have to recommend speaker base and platform instead

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-263da5xN_Y

[HoopzDreamz]

Very insightful indeed.

My room is around 3 x 3.5 with a study desk.

Also, my bass is not too boomy. I would say it lacks finesse and not too tight at the same time.

Having gathered the responses thus far, seems like room treatment works best. Guess I was taking the easy way out, hoping that cables will do the job.