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Title: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on May 09, 2010, 18:04
Just an interest check.... any Sonus faber speaker fans here in xtremeplace?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Kopi on May 09, 2010, 20:16
Just started to be interested.  ;D

I used to think that SF is for slow, warm sounding, no need too much wham-bang bass folks until i acquired
the SF Amati Homage. Although had it for less than 1 month, I am happy with it. Still doing lots of pop and rock
and getting good kick out of it.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: kaka2rock on May 09, 2010, 20:30
Yes,am running with one and only good old Concertino..from start of my jounrey till now. Almost give up and sold.

Glad i didnt cos am amazed what a this little fellow can do :D
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: skfong on May 09, 2010, 20:46
heard Concertino in friend place and this little italian mafia can really sing and push. hoping to own one piano black version one day. around $900-$1k market price. next one is the amator around $3-4k.

someone today from KL posted one extreme.. that pair is truly kickass... $9k+. wow.

sk
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on May 09, 2010, 21:55
signing in here with a pair of SF Cremona M
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on May 09, 2010, 23:12
Looks like quite some SF fans here.... good to keep this thread alive.  ;)

My humble set up....


(http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/5876/amatianv5001.jpg)


(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/4594/amatianv5002.jpg)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: synthesis on May 09, 2010, 23:16
My humble set up....
http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=64511.msg557424#msg557424


Like that you call 'humble'....  :o
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on May 09, 2010, 23:26
Just started to be interested.  ;D

I used to think that SF is for slow, warm sounding, no need too much wham-bang bass folks until i acquired
the SF Amati Homage. Although had it for less than 1 month, I am happy with it. Still doing lots of pop and rock
and getting good kick out of it.

To me there's quite a distinction of Sonus house sound, all the early models up to the the first generation concert range, as well as the first 2 homage models (Guarneri and Amati) are "Romantic" sounding. The later models up to the current line are somewhat more "contemporary" sounding.

The original Amati needs a lot of power, good space and placement to sound good. Looks like you got it right :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on May 09, 2010, 23:29
heard Concertino in friend place and this little italian mafia can really sing and push. hoping to own one piano black version one day. around $900-$1k market price. next one is the amator around $3-4k.

someone today from KL posted one extreme.. that pair is truly kickass... $9k+. wow.

sk

Yes the concertino is a real song bird.

Some Sonus faber spks do appreciate in value.. in fact all SF spks hold their values very well.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on May 09, 2010, 23:31
signing in here with a pair of SF Cremona M

Good balanced sounding floorstander !
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Austrich on May 09, 2010, 23:37

Like that you call 'humble'....  :o

Hey bro, it all depends on where you take your reference, values are relative.  Whether you have a $1000, or $1mil systems, you must enjoy the music ... ;D

Cheers !
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: arsene on May 10, 2010, 09:01
Now using Liuto tower speakers with smart as center and concertinos as rear for my HT.  For music, I am pairing them with tubes.

Previously owned Concerto (non home), Amator 2.  Must agree that the old SF and new SF sounded a bit different.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on May 10, 2010, 09:47
Now using Liuto tower speakers with smart as center and concertinos as rear for my HT.  For music, I am pairing them with tubes.

Previously owned Concerto (non home), Amator 2.  Must agree that the old SF and new SF sounded a bit different.

Good set up! Is it the original (biwire), home or domus concertino that you are using?

Among all the current speakers in the market, I find that Liuto monitor & tower are pretty under-rated, for the kind of build quality and sonic performance, the Luitos are actually superb. For those longing for the old concert series sound signature, Luitos provides the closest ressemblence and offer even more  ;)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: skfong on May 10, 2010, 09:55
Hey bro, it all depends on where you take your reference, values are relative.  Whether you have a $1000, or $1mil systems, you must enjoy the music ... ;D

Cheers !

i agreed with you. there is no end to the system, the investment is simply indefinite.... all is in the ear of the listener  ;)


Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: skfong on May 10, 2010, 09:58
Yes the concertino is a real song bird.

Some Sonus faber spks do appreciate in value.. in fact all SF spks hold their values very well.

friend, yah, i notice the prices of SF hold very well esp those made older days. envy you, have such a large luxury AV room  :o
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: chewed on May 10, 2010, 10:17


Like that you call 'humble'....  :o

+1.... ;D
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on May 10, 2010, 10:58
A very active and participative Sonus faber forum for reference, hope it can be as active here at x'place ;)

http://audioaficionado.org/sonus-faber/
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Phaton on May 10, 2010, 12:24
+1 SF owner.

2 x Piccolo Center, a pair of Grand Piano Home, a pair of Concerto & a pair of SF Electa Amtor 1 ;D
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: arsene on May 10, 2010, 14:59
Good set up! Is it the original (biwire), home or domus concertino that you are using?

Among all the current speakers in the market, I find that Liuto monitor & tower are pretty under-rated, for the kind of build quality and sonic performance, the Luitos are actually superb. For those longing for the old concert series sound signature, Luitos provides the closest ressemblence and offer even more  ;)

I am using the original biwire version.  It was my first SF pair of speakers which I bought 2nd hand with original SDF adjustable stand almost 9 years ago and the dealer is still prepared to trade in at the same price which I paid for.  I also sold off my 2nd hand Amator 2 at a profit after using it for 2 years.  This goes to show that SF prices hold pretty well in the 2nd hand market. 

Aesthetically, I actually prefer the walnut finish in the old series or the Domus series rather than the current wood finish of the Liutos.  However, the Liuto is more dynamic sounding and sweeter in the highs than the original concerto / concertino 2.  In fact, this is my first SF which I bought brand new.

Btw love your setup :)



Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on May 10, 2010, 16:06
+1 SF owner.

2 x Piccolo Center, a pair of Grand Piano Home, a pair of Concerto & a pair of SF Electa Amtor 1 ;D

Your EA1 is a prized classic !
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on May 10, 2010, 16:14
I am using the original biwire version.  It was my first SF pair of speakers which I bought 2nd hand with original SDF adjustable stand almost 9 years ago and the dealer is still prepared to trade in at the same price which I paid for.  I also sold off my 2nd hand Amator 2 at a profit after using it for 2 years.  This goes to show that SF prices hold pretty well in the 2nd hand market.  

Aesthetically, I actually prefer the walnut finish in the old series or the Domus series rather than the current wood finish of the Liutos.  However, the Liuto is more dynamic sounding and sweeter in the highs than the original concerto / concertino 2.  In fact, this is my first SF which I bought brand new.

Btw love your setup :)





Thanks!

Yap, the original Concertino was once dumped at $500 a pair some 10 years ago. Today, they are being traded at $800 to $1k a pair, you should continue to keep it, may be it will appreciate faster than your property :)

Agree on the wood finish, the older series used solid wood cabinets and solid walnut side panels (for concert range), while Luitos are just real wood verneer... the solid walnut cabinets / panels all age beautifully with time. They are all real classics, even just used as displays  :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: durianlover88 on May 10, 2010, 16:23
Hi Bros - have got a Cremona Centre speaker, and 4 pairs of Wall Domus surround speakers. Hoping to do Audyssey DSX one day, but WAF to overcome, so 3 pairs unused at the moment and buying time. Solid, artistic, yet graceful. Good to know the SF fans here in Xtremeplace :)

I have a question - any Bros know of people making the Cremona Centre speaker grille (Martin Electronics declined when asked) - 3 children at home, and very worried that they will poke and pierce the drivers. Under no choice, I will have to go for making an acrylic speaker cover.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: seller on May 10, 2010, 17:07
How does SF spks compare to Usher spks?

Is this equation Usher = SF made in china version valid?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Phaton on May 10, 2010, 18:43
Your EA1 is a prized classic !

Thanks. The Amator 1 are real keepers, but you do need very good electronics to make them sing as they are really very power hungary due to the Esotar Tweeters, in fact they are even harder to drive then the Amatis. The Amators sounded way better then the concertos and Grand Piano I have(Mainly used them for HT now).

Few years back saw a lot of people dumping them as they are unable to drive them well :'( and in the end labelled the speakers as lousy. Had a chance to let one previous owner hear my setup and in the end he regretted parting his Amators. :o
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on May 10, 2010, 22:30
Good balanced sounding floorstander !

Yes, the M range are a lot more neutral sounding and easier to drive than the earlier generation of Cremonas. I have thrown everything from classics to rock to pop, all genres of music except reggae. And cannot throw it out of its step.

Sounds better with a proper support under the standard spiked feet - improved timing and coherence.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on May 10, 2010, 22:49
Hi Bros - have got a Cremona Centre speaker, and 4 pairs of Wall Domus surround speakers. Hoping to do Audyssey DSX one day, but WAF to overcome, so 3 pairs unused at the moment and buying time. Solid, artistic, yet graceful. Good to know the SF fans here in Xtremeplace :)

I have a question - any Bros know of people making the Cremona Centre speaker grille (Martin Electronics declined when asked) - 3 children at home, and very worried that they will poke and pierce the drivers. Under no choice, I will have to go for making an acrylic speaker cover.

Ha ha, you really invested in a solid soulful centre speaker for your HT system. Please don't neglect your front L/R too :)

Do not think about using acrylics to protect your speakers, they are disasters for sound transmission  :(

Forumer "synthesis" seems to be one of the DIY master here, why not consult him about your requirement?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on May 10, 2010, 23:08
Thanks. The Amator 1 are real keepers, but you do need very good electronics to make them sing as they are really very power hungary due to the Esotar Tweeters, in fact they are even harder to drive then the Amatis. The Amators sounded way better then the concertos and Grand Piano I have(Mainly used them for HT now).

Few years back saw a lot of people dumping them as they are unable to drive them well :'( and in the end labelled the speakers as lousy. Had a chance to let one previous owner hear my setup and in the end he regretted parting his Amators. :o

Yes I think the EA1 shares the same demanding dynaudio esotar tweeter as the Extrema. EA1 needs space behind the speakers for proper bass dispersion too. Am sure your EA1 sounds rich and energetic for a proper set up. Besides the big brother Extrema, EA1 was also one of the early success stories of Sonus faber.

Unlike many of the so called legacy speakers (from B&W, McIntosh, etc) that looks so out of place in modern day, Sf legacy speakers still carry an everlasting look today... besides the fact that they still sound very good.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Austrich on May 11, 2010, 00:15
hmmm...interesting, I didn't know B&W, McIntosh looks out of place in modern day ..... :o

One man's meat is another's poison ...

One man's music is another's noise ......... ;D
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on May 11, 2010, 00:27
Read the word "legacy", which refers to like of early generation 801, etc, those same gen speakers as Extrema, EA1 in the 80s/ early 90s

http://www.stereophile.com/floorloudspeakers/506/

Of couse the current B&Ws look very up to date, but sorry bro, not refering to them...

And btw, this is a Sonus faber thread, so no big crime to be slightly bias to Sonus speakers :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on May 11, 2010, 11:05
You have said the right words, "one man's meat is another man's poison" :)


You asked for it.... here's a virtual treat of Sonus factory

http://www.sonusfaberclub.com/meetings/sfvisit.html

and the making of Amati Homage

http://www.hifi-notes.com/sonusfaberamatifabrikage-nl.htm

Ownership wise, they are not co-owned by AR, more like the Italian private equity company Quadrivio SGR owns both Sonus faber & Audio Research.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Austrich on May 11, 2010, 13:16
Thanks for the links...very impressive indeed and the Meat (speakers) are quite poisonous .... ;D

So how do you take care of   "one man's music is another's noise ?"

Kindly show us the "best" system match for this range of speakers ......  ;D
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on May 11, 2010, 13:41
So how do you take care of   "one man's music is another's noise ?"


This one got to do with individual's senses, processing and interpretation, so it's very subjective and risky to comment haha  :)

So if Sonus faber, or B&W, or JM Lab, or Goldmund is not right for one, just move on lor
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: sventan on June 12, 2010, 08:03
hi all..

i'm using a tube amp(35w+35w pushpull,EL34B x4) on a DIY speaker(martin elect).
i'm now tot of getting a 2nd hand SF concertino or concerto..
..but will my amp be able to drive the speaker?

Thx & Rgds,
Sam
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on June 12, 2010, 09:50
Yes your 35w EL34 amp should be able to do fine with concertino or concerto  :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: AP on June 12, 2010, 10:42
Hi There Luv4nature
Sorry for joining your thread so long after your invite.  Have to say that I still love the sound of my GP home.  Am using Diva Tianzhu to drive them with the M7 Pre and using TS upgraded CD 67. Overall it sounds good to me. Sorry am not good at audiophilists language Sound is crisp clear and vocals improved as compared to  Diva Bluesky. And the biggest improvemennt would be the background.I Guess that to have more improvement,  plenty of $$ has to be spent.  So am staying at this for the moment.

Cheers!

AP
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on June 12, 2010, 11:01
Hi AP, good that at least you're still staying with Sf and have not switched camp. I've heard Diva blue sky driving grand piano very well, and up to certain acceptable extent, driving the amati sufficiently. So I can understand that the tien zhu should sound very well with your GPH.

However, it may further unleash your tien zhu with the Liuto or Cremona Auditor.... haha couldn't resist to tempt  ;)
Title: Franco Serblin's Ktema Speakers
Post by: Luv4nature on June 12, 2010, 11:06
Look what's brewing now  :o

http://www.francoserblin.it/ktema/

Looks like FS keeps working hard even post his Stradivaris project ....
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: sventan on June 12, 2010, 22:22
Yes your 35w EL34 amp should be able to do fine with concertino or concerto  :)

Thx alot bro Luv4nature=)
Will update u guys once I get the speaker...Cheers!=)

best rgds
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: AP on June 13, 2010, 19:08
Hi AP, good that at least you're still staying with Sf and have not switched camp. I've heard Diva blue sky driving grand piano very well, and up to certain acceptable extent, driving the amati sufficiently. So I can understand that the tien zhu should sound very well with your GPH.

However, it may further unleash your tien zhu with the Liuto or Cremona Auditor.... haha couldn't resist to tempt  ;)
Ha Ha Ha....but my pocket not that deep.  But seriously, Tianzhu thrives on High efficiency speakers with its low output.   95db above it would sing with its heart out.  A JBL horn loaded monitor would be great.  Most of them in the 93 to 98 db range.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: sventan on June 13, 2010, 23:34
hi all...

Advice needed...which one to choose...

1)SF Concerto $1400
2)SF Grand Piano Home(piano black color w leather) $2300
both r 2nd hand now put on sale at xtremeplace.

i'm using tube amp 35w(EL34B x4)

thx alot & Rgds

Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: sventan on June 14, 2010, 09:01
hi all...

Advice needed...which one to choose...

1)SF Concerto $1400
2)SF Grand Piano Home(piano black color w leather) $2300
both r 2nd hand now put on sale at xtremeplace.

i'm using tube amp 35w(EL34B x4)

thx alot & Rgds



is the SF Grand Piano too tough for my amp?

Thx & Rgds
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: ryder on June 14, 2010, 10:29
I have owned the Grand Piano Concerto, not the HOME. I would take the Concertino or Concerto over the floorstanders not knowing whether the tube amp can drive the Grand Pianos. The Grand Pianos not only need quality watts but an upfront and dynamic amp so that it won't sound muddled in the lower midrange and bass with rolled-off highs. I once used the Plinius SA-100Mk3 on the Grand Pianos and the combination was a disaster. The Concertino and Concerto would be easier to match and I believe they will sound good with your tube amp. Good luck.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on June 14, 2010, 10:46
I am a previous owner of a very early Sonus Faber Electa when it was sold by Reference Audio many year ago.  Later it was upgraded to Electa Amator 1 and finally to Guarneri Homage.  Have always been a fan of Sonus Faber until I decided to try full range speakers of other brands.  Until today, I still miss the sound of Guarneri Homage matched to my full tube pre/pwr system.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: ryder on June 14, 2010, 10:56
The Guarneri Homage is a true reference speaker that was said to be the most neutral speaker in the Sonus Faber line. Some folks preferred the Guarneri Homage over the Extrema due to the extremely low coloration of the former although the Extrema pumps out more bass and sounds bigger. A few Guarneri Homage owners on Audiogon swear by the speakers claiming them to be the best reference monitor they have ever come across.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on June 14, 2010, 11:08
hi all...

Advice needed...which one to choose...

1)SF Concerto $1400
2)SF Grand Piano Home(piano black color w leather) $2300
both r 2nd hand now put on sale at xtremeplace.

i'm using tube amp 35w(EL34B x4)

thx alot & Rgds



sventan, if your budget and space allow, you may want to try out the grand piano home. The Concert home series are a bit easier to drive than the original concert series. I have heard the grand piano home being driven well by a EL34 amp (unison reserach) so the match should be ok.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on June 14, 2010, 11:12
I am a previous owner of a very early Sonus Faber Electa when it was sold by Reference Audio many year ago.  Later it was upgraded to Electa Amator 1 and finally to Guarneri Homage.  Have always been a fan of Sonus Faber until I decided to try full range speakers of other brands.  Until today, I still miss the sound of Guarneri Homage matched to my full tube pre/pwr system.

The Guarneri Homage offers one of the most soulful and airy midrange presentation of all speakers to date, a pity you should have kept it  ;)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on June 14, 2010, 11:51
The Guarneri Homage offers one of the most soulful and airy midrange presentation of all speakers to date, a pity you should have kept it  ;)

Yeah, should have kept it.  Sold it for a miserable $5800 during those days.  It is still the speaker with the most beautiful midrange, especially with vocals, violins and guitars, in my system.   The Mezzo and Kharma that I have today may be more full range, detail, transparent and coherent but do not have the seductive midrange of the Guarneri.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: arsene on June 14, 2010, 14:20
The Guarneri Homage offers one of the most soulful and airy midrange presentation of all speakers to date, a pity you should have kept it  ;)

Besides sounding good, it also looks beautiful with nice string grille :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: sventan on June 14, 2010, 17:27
sventan, if your budget and space allow, you may want to try out the grand piano home. The Concert home series are a bit easier to drive than the original concert series. I have heard the grand piano home being driven well by a EL34 amp (unison reserach) so the match should be ok.

hi bro Luv4nature...thx alot for ur reply...will try to contact e owner & neg the price... ;D

Thx again...CHEERS!!! 8)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: ... on June 14, 2010, 17:42
Yeah, should have kept it.  Sold it for a miserable $5800 during those days.  It is still the speaker with the most beautiful midrange, especially with vocals, violins and guitars, in my system.   The Mezzo and Kharma that I have today may be more full range, detail, transparent and coherent but do not have the seductive midrange of the Guarneri.
anthony was only selling them at $9000 or $11000 then,can't remember which. i too got a pair but didn't like the sound, traded it in for duetta signatures
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: oomph on June 15, 2010, 11:56
Any thoughts about the new Sonus Faber after Serblin has left? I don't connect as well with the new series than the old one which had "soul" and "boogie". Maybe the new M speakers are flatter in response, but it just doesn't do it for me as well as the ones before.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: ryder on June 15, 2010, 12:24
The Home series are designed to cater for a Home Theater crowd. That is the reason why most folks who have listened to or owned the older Sonus Faber series prefer the more musical sound of the old version. The only caveat is the older version especially the Grand Piano Concerto needs quite a bit of power to come alive compared to the relatively easy load of the Home series which are designed at easier loads, presumably to cater for Home Theater AV amps.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: sventan on June 21, 2010, 10:28
sventan, if your budget and space allow, you may want to try out the grand piano home. The Concert home series are a bit easier to drive than the original concert series. I have heard the grand piano home being driven well by a EL34 amp (unison reserach) so the match should be ok.

hi bro Luv4nature...may i know r different btw e "old" & "new" series of GrandPiano Home?
was it diff in sensitivity/ohm?
Sorry for askin...me still very new to HiFi... ;D

and also Thanks alot bro ryder for ur reply & opinion. :D

Thxs & Best Rgds
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on June 21, 2010, 11:45
Any thoughts about the new Sonus Faber after Serblin has left? I don't connect as well with the new series than the old one which had "soul" and "boogie". Maybe the new M speakers are flatter in response, but it just doesn't do it for me as well as the ones before.

Sonus faber's newer line post Serblin tend to sound more modern and not as reminiscence. Though they don't sound entirely like the old school Sonus, good thing is that they still retain some of Sonus faber's original house sound. I guess the company post Serblin is trying to capture a bigger user market, probably they need to do that as business men to yield better sales and returns.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on June 21, 2010, 11:55
The Home series are designed to cater for a Home Theater crowd. That is the reason why most folks who have listened to or owned the older Sonus Faber series prefer the more musical sound of the old version. The only caveat is the older version especially the Grand Piano Concerto needs quite a bit of power to come alive compared to the relatively easy load of the Home series which are designed at easier loads, presumably to cater for Home Theater AV amps.

I agree mostly with you.

Long time Sonus followers tend to prefer the earlier house sound. However, the newer range (and sound) may have enabled them to rope in more Sonus faber users. As a business, that's not a bad thing. We can only hope they do not depart too much from here.

Now by the way hearing from the current Liuto line, I think they may have rekoned that and incorporate that "magical mid range" back into their products,
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: atx2 on June 21, 2010, 12:14
Greeting Luv4nature  ;D
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on June 21, 2010, 12:30
hi bro Luv4nature...may i know r different btw e "old" & "new" series of GrandPiano Home?
was it diff in sensitivity/ohm?
Sorry for askin...me still very new to HiFi... ;D

and also Thanks alot bro ryder for ur reply & opinion. :D

Thxs & Best Rgds

sventan,

I guess you are coming from the sound performance and amp matching standpoint. As ryder pointed out, the Grand Piano Home has a more snappy bass, and able to play louder. It is also more placement friendly as it adopts a front bass reflex point. The Concerto Grand Piano on the other hand has a more tuneful and lively bass due to its passive bass radiator design, and also has a more charming mid range. However, the high is more rolled off than the GPH. Due to the passive radiator design,the placement of the speakers and amp matching become more tricky. With the right set up, the Concerto Grand Piano sounds a lot more musical and has more fluidity in my opinion.

Btw, did you know that the Concerto Grand Piano was the first floorstander speakers made by Sonus faber at the time of launch? It sets a small milestone in that sense :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on June 21, 2010, 12:33
Greeting Luv4nature  ;D

Bro, welcome in :)

How's your big Sonus S doing?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: atx2 on June 21, 2010, 12:35
still the same old thing, never play for long long time...
last year alot of thing happen to me....if free just call me n chat on phone....
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on June 21, 2010, 13:01
....if free just call me n chat on phone....

Check PM.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: sventan on June 21, 2010, 19:44
Thx bro Luv4nature for all e info..
It's really help alot for newbie like myself.

Best Rgds=)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: chansters on June 22, 2010, 18:49
Any idea how much the Liuto flrstanders are retailing for?

I agree mostly with you.

Long time Sonus followers tend to prefer the earlier house sound. However, the newer range (and sound) may have enabled them to rope in more Sonus faber users. As a business, that's not a bad thing. We can only hope they do not depart too much from here.

Now by the way hearing from the current Liuto line, I think they may have rekoned that and incorporate that "magical mid range" back into their products,
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: douce on June 23, 2010, 00:30
Any idea how much does a Sonus Faber Cremona Auditor M cost?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on June 23, 2010, 01:45
As a reference, the MSRPs in US$ are stated here:
http://www.sumikoaudio.net/sonus/idx_classic.htm

Don't quote me... the distributor here (Highend Research) generally sells for lower than that.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on June 23, 2010, 01:50
Any idea how much the Liuto flrstanders are retailing for?


Why not PM arsene ? He's using a pair.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on June 23, 2010, 10:22
As a reference, the MSRPs in US$ are stated here:
http://www.sumikoaudio.net/sonus/idx_classic.htm

Don't quote me... the distributor here (Highend Research) generally sells for lower than that.

If serious about getting a pair of SF, go down personally during off-peak hours and have a chat with Philip of HER. The pricing here in SG of  SF speakers can be as attractive as the speaker's looks!

Although the new Cremona range is easier to drive than the old, stand-by a healthy dose of good strong watts to get the most out of them. These speakers reward handsomely efforts to drive them well and place them carefully in the room.

When done right, they sound bigger than they look, do PRaT well,  and disappear leaving a 3-D stage (if this is important to you). 
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: douce on June 23, 2010, 13:00
I am keen in driving the Auditor M with a Naim Super Nait, source will be a squeezebox and CEC transport feeding the Naim Dac. Do you think it is good enough or the speaker is overkill for the amp?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on June 23, 2010, 15:46
Have only heard in one instance of a naim 5i driving Sonus GPH. Most of the "PRAT" so desired by Naim users are preserved in that set up. However, it seemed that it was a tone down "PRAT", and not as "PRATY" as one would associate with a full Naim set up. However, the owner was happy with it as it offered him a good balance.

Anyway, some naim users reported good matching of the Cremona Aud M with Naim SuperNait... check it out:
http://forums.naim-audio.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/48019385/m/8772952817
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on June 23, 2010, 16:21
I am keen in driving the Auditor M with a Naim Super Nait, source will be a squeezebox and CEC transport feeding the Naim Dac. Do you think it is good enough or the speaker is overkill for the amp?

80w of Naim should be sufficient as long as your room is not too big. The difference beween the old and new SF range is that the new range does the PRaT thing so much better .. although it may not seem obvious at the HER showroom.

Btw, the sound of the Cremona range at the HER showroom does not do justice to the speakers. Despite the costly electronics that they use to demo, the sound is only so-so. The Cremona M sounds very much better in all aspects in my home, compared to the showroom.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on June 23, 2010, 16:32
, the sound of the Cremona range at the HER showroom does not do justice to the speakers. Despite the costly electronics that they use to demo, the sound is only so-so.

Very true... almost all the Sonus faber set ups that I've heard outside the showroom sound much better than those in the showroom or in local shows.

Same speakers, but they can sound so different..... It's a matter of having the interest and passion to optimize and integrate the set up. Another illustration of expen$ive equipment don't necessarily = exquisite sound :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: sventan on June 23, 2010, 16:35
Hi guys...HER at Adelphi?

Thx&Rgds
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on June 23, 2010, 16:42
Hi guys...HER at Adelphi?

Thx&Rgds

No they are at Holiday Inn Atrium at junction of Kim Seng and Havelock Roads. Ground floor of the shopping centre next to the lobby. Dont let the the facade of the shop fool you. They have some serious hi-fi equipment in the inner demo rooms.  So much so that the SF Cremona and lesser ranges get relegated to being demo in an open area.
 
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on June 23, 2010, 16:52
Going there.... you stand an advantage if you're fluent in hokkien  ;)

Else just look for Philip, he's overall a helpful person.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: sventan on June 23, 2010, 19:14
Thx alot bro Luv4nature & blue_starfish for e info. =)

Cheers! =)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: douce on June 23, 2010, 22:20
80w of Naim should be sufficient as long as your room is not too big. The difference beween the old and new SF range is that the new range does the PRaT thing so much better .. although it may not seem obvious at the HER showroom.

Btw, the sound of the Cremona range at the HER showroom does not do justice to the speakers. Despite the costly electronics that they use to demo, the sound is only so-so. The Cremona M sounds very much better in all aspects in my home, compared to the showroom.

Wow you have a pair?May i know what are you driving.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on June 23, 2010, 22:52
Wow you have a pair?May i know what are you driving.

Not Naim unfortunately. As someone beat me to a pre-owned NAC252/NAP300 that I was eyeing.  :(
I use an Audio Research Ref 3 pre with Goldmund SR power rated at 150w. There is just about enough power to make the speakers boogie in a 7m x 4m room. 

But mine are the Cremona M and not Cremona Auditor M.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: douce on June 23, 2010, 23:19
 :o NAC252/NAP300 awesome set. You like Naim too?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on June 23, 2010, 23:52
:o NAC252/NAP300 awesome set. You like Naim too?

I like gear that can do the PRaT thing well. The olive Naims were too forward for me, so for many many years I was on the classic Exposures. The new series Naims did appeal to me, except for the prices.

HER have been able to keep prices affordable for their brands compared to other dealers. Other dealers usually just do a US price or UK price convert to SGD as selling price. And do not take into account the home country VAT which can be discounted.

It took me  quite awhile to get the SF to do PRaT as well as the Living Voice it replaced. But finally managed to not only match the LV, but exceed the LV's PRaT capabilities.     

Drop me a PM if you want a listen to SF in a makeshift listening room, that is doubling as a storeroom.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: sventan on June 24, 2010, 03:59
Drop me a PM if you want a listen to SF in a makeshift listening room, that is doubling as a storeroom.

hi bro blue_starfish...can count me in? ;D
& also hope that someone or anyone here can organize a powwow. ;D

Cheers & Best Rgds
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Kopi on June 24, 2010, 14:56
Need some help on speaker placement. Any one out there owns a pair of SF Amati Homage?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on June 24, 2010, 15:32
Is your's the original Amati Homage? Used to own it before my current Anv version. What are the improvement areas that you're seeking with your AH?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on June 25, 2010, 10:45
Is your's the original Amati Homage? Used to own it before my current Anv version. What are the improvement areas that you're seeking with your AH?

Luv4nature, what do you use under the Anniv version's speaker spikes?  For my Cremona M I found that placing them on low stands made a positive difference to clarity, imaging and timing. And an added layer of spike base from Harmonix under the stands made the sound even more natural.


Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on June 25, 2010, 12:01
blue_starfish,

Good question... isolation is one aspect that has much bearing on performance of Sf speakers. In most of Sf floorstander design, the entire cabinet sits on an aluminum die cast baseplate (or steel spider for concert series), and the adjustable spikes are mounted to outriggers of the base plate. Both Cremona & Amati are similar in the mounting of base plate (so is the case between Elipsa & Stradivari), just that due to the size and weight, the outriggers are more extended in the case of Amati for better stability. Now this design though is functional and aesthetically pleasing, is not that ideal sonically IMO.

1. Although the aluminum base plate is quite thick @8mm, it still subject to some micro level flexes, this can lead to some loss of detail and poorer bass control.
2. Aluminum is not a good acoustic isolation material

In fact, I find that the stock supports sound especially poor on wooden/ laminated flooring than on hard tile flooring. To counter the flex problem, I place 2 additional cones (1 front + 1 rear) directly under the plate anchoring to floor for better rigidity. For isolation, I have tried various footers and supports in place of the stock disc footers, and found that carbon TuneBlock S with Tuneplates from Boston Audion Design to work the best (require 8 pieces each).

Improvements with the above are very positive and obvious. There is better integration of sound, imaging are more defined, more holographic depth, tighter and deeper bass, and I also seem to get some increase in micro level detail... well worth the money and worth a try :)



Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on June 25, 2010, 16:49
Luv4nature,

I too have come to the conclusion that the stock SF out-riggers do not maximize the sound potential of the speakers. My out-riggers are powder coated steel, not aluminium.

I initially had the spikes on the out-riggers resting direct onto hard floor. But the bass was lumpy and top-to-bottom coherence missing. Subsequently, I put the spikes of  the speaker on an additional high-tensile powder coated steel base meant specially for heavy speakers. This steel base rests on another set of steel spikes, which in turn rests on Harmonix spike footers.  The additional level of spiking channels the cabinet micro-vibes away from the speakers.

After doing this, I got top-to-bottom coherence, deeper tighther bass, and better focus/ imaging.  The timing was very much improved too. The speaker's character changed to more towards my liking.  A far cry from what the speaker sounded like at HER.   

I think we both got similar results by tweaking the speakers supportíng base. 
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Kopi on June 25, 2010, 17:45
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Is your's the original Amati Homage? Used to own it before my current Anv version. What are the improvement areas that you're seeking with your AH?

Yes. Original AH (2002).

Somehow, i am not getting the imaging right. Also not much layering in the presentation and thus lacking in depth
of sound. Bass is alright but not something to shout about. I heard this in a different setup and was very impressed
thus end up buying it.

Room setup - 3.8m from speakers to my listening Sofa. 2.2m between the speakers. 35-40cm from speakers to
the backwall. Speaker sides ok..lots of room. I toe-in slightly (10-15 degree). Listening sofa is against the wall.
Room size (about HDB 5-room living room type but not squarish shape). Have the outriggers on carbon fibre cones.

Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on June 25, 2010, 18:18
Yes. Original AH (2002).

Somehow, i am not getting the imaging right. Also not much layering in the presentation and thus lacking in depth
of sound. Bass is alright but not something to shout about. I heard this in a different setup and was very impressed
thus end up buying it.

Room setup - 3.8m from speakers to my listening Sofa. 2.2m between the speakers. 35-40cm from speakers to
the backwall. Speaker sides ok..lots of room. I toe-in slightly (10-15 degree). Listening sofa is against the wall.
Room size (about HDB 5-room living room type but not squarish shape). Have the outriggers on carbon fibre cones.

1. Have you tried pulling the speaker further away from the front wall? The ports at the back need plenty of space. SF need to stand in free space to image well and sound balanced (see the manual).  Alternatively, put some absorbers immediately behind the speakers to tame any port,. or use a bung.

2. Is there an absorber or diffuser placed in-between the speakers? Having this tends to improve the focus and sense of depth.

3. Do you happen to have a TV set, mirror, or glass window between the speakers? Or any hard smooth surface between the 2 speakers. This tends to blur the focus and make the sound uneven.

4. Pull the sofa about 30cm from the back wall and/or place absorbers along the back wall at head level. When ears are too close to the back wall, the immediate reflection of sound waves off back wall causes loss of definition.

What I am suggesting works not just for SF, but for most box speakers.
   
Good luck.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on June 27, 2010, 20:04
Yes. Original AH (2002).

Somehow, i am not getting the imaging right. Also not much layering in the presentation and thus lacking in depth
of sound.

Kopi, the AH is a great sounding full range speaker, takes some time to get it to sound the most optimum. Some fast pointers to try out:

-unlike the current homage and cremona range the base plate of the AH is not angled in design, it depends on its angled baffle to achieve phase integration. I find this may not be sufficient. Try to shorten (i.e. screw inwards) the rear spikes by 3 to 5 threads.

-Toe-in your speakers till it's almost pointing at the listening position, this worked for me best the last time.

-Your speakers are too close to the rear wall, try to move them further from rear wall so that there's at least 1m distance.

-Carbon fiber cones are not necessary a good thing in this case. Try using original spikes on pure carbon graphite footers such as Boston Audio Design Tune block S (note pure carbon graphite is different from carbon fiber. The latter is just carbon fiber sheets encapsulated in resins... it exhibits a mix of carbon fiber + plastics properties)

-Always listen without the string grilles. The older design has its metal plates extended too long, to the extent that it affects proper high frequency dispersion.

The other factor is the associated amp and cables, you generally need high current amp and fast cables to make the AH sounds more energetic and lively.

You may PM me to discuss further.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Kopi on June 28, 2010, 20:54
thks all for the advise. Will try out and let you know the outcome. Cheers
Title: Sonus faber New Flagship Speaker: Fenice
Post by: Luv4nature on June 28, 2010, 21:52
A grand launch of the new flagship "Fenice" Speaker:

http://www.hificlube.net/Sections/Details.aspx?articleID=23488&sectionID=2

A Taiwan site:

http://www.audionet.com.tw/blog.article/view/sn/140

Looks like it is intense in engineering.... but too much metal for my taste.

@140,000 euro a pair "only", anyone wants to order a pair from Highend Research?  ;)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: ilovepanerai on June 28, 2010, 22:05
Just about to post the SF Fenice... ;)

IMHO...really great piece of art and design for high end SF lover!!!

Cheers
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: atx2 on June 29, 2010, 14:14
Wow very nice ..... yum yum yum
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Kopi on June 29, 2010, 14:53
Quote
unlike the current homage and cremona range the base plate of the AH is not angled in design, it depends on its angled baffle to achieve phase integration. I find this may not be sufficient. Try to shorten (i.e. screw inwards) the rear spikes by 3 to 5 threads

I toe-in my speakers more this time and it improves the clarity. Thks for the tip.

For the shortening of the rear spikes..would that make the SF fires upwards instead? For my sitting position, my ears about the same height as the mid-range speaker. Below the tweeter. Do i need to sit lower or higher?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on June 29, 2010, 15:12
You don't need to move your sitting position, most Sf spks are set up to have the tweeter pointing slightly above yr hearing position. You'll get smoother highs and better overall fluidity.

Next you should try the tune block s, you may be surprised how it can improve your imaging, depth and bass control :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Kopi on July 02, 2010, 15:21
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tune block s

Where to get these? How much will it cost?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Doggie Howser on July 02, 2010, 15:31
Where to get these? How much will it cost?

Got mine from AudioNote. Can't recall the price offhand cos I was getting the Tuneblocks with the ceramic upgrade at that time too..
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on July 03, 2010, 12:21
You can get from Audionote at better pricing than the US retail prices as stated here.

http://www.boston-audio.com/order.html

Check out the tuneplates too, use beneath the tuneblock S for even more effective isolation.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: xerox on July 04, 2010, 17:59
Just acquire a pair of Sonus Faber Cremona Auditor M. No regrets at all.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on July 04, 2010, 19:45
Welcome onboard! Feel free to share / seek anything about your CAM  ;)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: xerox on July 04, 2010, 23:50
Welcome onboard! Feel free to share / seek anything about your CAM  ;)

The Cremona Auditor M musicality is outstanding, it seems to dig deeper into the CDs i pop in. It is dynamic, detail but it is not fatigue to listen it in long run. It just sound better as times goes by and it certainly perform way above the given spec, it  does PRAT very well with my Naim. I had been scouting for a new pair of bookshelf and this somehow is the missing piece.

I am glad to have bought this pair of speaker and it definitely worth it. BTW i am a first time SF user and i am very impressed indeed.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: sventan on July 05, 2010, 16:44

I am glad to have bought this pair of speaker and it definitely worth it. BTW i am a first time SF user and i am very impressed indeed.
Envy u man!
Still seekin for my 1st SF...:(

enjoy bro!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on July 05, 2010, 21:09
The Cremona Auditor M musicality is outstanding, it seems to dig deeper into the CDs i pop in. It is dynamic, detail but it is not fatigue to listen it in long run. It just sound better as times goes by and it certainly perform way above the given spec, it  does PRAT very well with my Naim. I had been scouting for a new pair of bookshelf and this somehow is the missing piece.

I am glad to have bought this pair of speaker and it definitely worth it. BTW i am a first time SF user and i am very impressed indeed.

I too have my preference firmly in the PRaT camp. Like you, I am surprised that the Cremona M range does PRaT so well, and in a refined way too. I used to own the highly regarded Living Voice Avatar before switching to Cremona M. The Cremona M matches the LV for PRaT, and trounces it in all other aspects. Of course this is not a fair comparison as the Cremona M cost twice as much as the LV.  But as this is an upgrade, the extra money spent is well worth.

While I found the previous Cremonas, and before that the Electa Amators not to my liking in the PRAT department, the M series is a different animal, and much more to the liking of this mainly pop/rock  fan.

Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: xerox on July 05, 2010, 21:27
Envy u man!
Still seekin for my 1st SF...:(

enjoy bro!


Which SF are you looking at? There seems to be a few pair of SF in the market place.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: xerox on July 05, 2010, 21:29
I too have my preference firmly in the PRaT camp. Like you, I am surprised that the Cremona M range does PRaT so well, and in a refined way too. I used to own the highly regarded Living Voice Avatar before switching to Cremona M. The Cremona M matches the LV for PRaT, and trounces it in all other aspects. Of course this is not a fair comparison as the Cremona M cost twice as much as the LV.  But as this is an upgrade, the extra money spent is well worth.

While I found the previous Cremonas, and before that the Electa Amators not to my liking in the PRAT department, the M series is a different animal, and much more to the liking of this mainly pop/rock  fan.



I used to thought that SF speaker are slow and warm sounding. But when i heard Cremona Auditor M i was absolutely impressed.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on July 05, 2010, 21:46
I used to thought that SF speaker are slow and warm sounding. But when i heard Cremona Auditor M i was absolutely impressed.

I was not at all impressed when I heard the Cremona Ms at HER. But I still bought them anyway as my choices were limited due to room size, budget and amp power. Only the Cremona M could fit within all 3 limitations.

Initially I was disappointed with the sound which was lumpy, constrained and not coherent in my home. But after long running in, and tuning with supports and positions, it morph into a beautiful, elegant butterfly. This butterfly now not only can flirt gracefully, but has an unexpected ability to handle quick changes and soar with dynamics.   
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: sizzle on July 06, 2010, 01:15
@ blue starfish,

any idea what amp power is needed to sufficiently power the Cremona Auditor M?

care to share what's your room size?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on July 06, 2010, 19:35
@ blue starfish,

any idea what amp power is needed to sufficiently power the Cremona Auditor M?

care to share what's your room size?

Auditor M recommended to be matched with 40w-150w amp. Mine is the floor stander, so need more watts. I use a 150w amp in a 6m x 4m x 2.5m room
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: sventan on July 07, 2010, 02:42

Which SF are you looking at? There seems to be a few pair of SF in the market place.
Im lookin for Concertino/Concerto w/orig stand(piano black finishin).
& also Grand Piano black floorstd.
Any lobang?

Im now usin 35w pushpull tube amp.

Thx & Rgds,
Sam
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on July 07, 2010, 12:56
sventan,
If you are prepared for slightly over 2k budget, why not also consider the Liuto monitor? It still retains the sweet hallmark presentation of Sonus faber, but with better resolution than the concert series. Your 35w el34 amp would not have any problem driving it. Also the standard piano black finish looks rather gorgeous. If you like the sound of the concert range, I'm sure you would not be disappointed with the Liuto.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: sventan on July 07, 2010, 16:03
sventan,
If you are prepared for slightly over 2k budget, why not also consider the Liuto monitor? It still retains the sweet hallmark presentation of Sonus faber, but with better resolution than the concert series. Your 35w el34 amp would not have any problem driving it. Also the standard piano black finish looks rather gorgeous. If you like the sound of the concert range, I'm sure you would not be disappointed with the Liuto.
Thx for ur reply...bro Luv4nature:)

u mean a NEW Luito cost slightly over 2k or used?
Anyway,it's sure looks attractive to me...Spkr & price!:)
& Will b huntin for tis one!:)

Thx & Rgds
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on July 07, 2010, 16:22
price mentioned refering to new (w/o stands). Now one thing, don't judge from what u heard fr HER, as the set up there has always been less than ideal..... 
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: sventan on July 07, 2010, 17:09
Alrite!Thx for d info...
Most probably will get together w/stand.
Is a orig SF stand cost abt $300-$400?

Thx & Rgds
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: xerox on July 07, 2010, 17:31
Alrite!Thx for d info...
Most probably will get together w/stand.
Is a orig SF stand cost abt $300-$400?

Thx & Rgds

Stand is $700 if i am not wrong. I totally agree with Luv4nature  not to take HER audit too seriously as the last time i went audit the CAM i don't find it impressive. But the Homage Guarneri Memento driven by Goldmund mono block was wonderful.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: sventan on July 07, 2010, 19:31
Stand is $700 if i am not wrong.
ic.so all in total almost comes to 3k...out of budget:(
anyway,thx for all e info,& will drop by HER for a listen.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on July 07, 2010, 19:39
Stands for the Liuto monitor should be cheaper than ones for CA M.

Also, you can try it on a more generic stands such as target, sonic wise it is quite acceptable.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: sventan on July 07, 2010, 20:33
Stands for the Liuto monitor should be cheaper than ones for CA M.

Also, you can try it on a more generic stands such as target, sonic wise it is quite acceptable.

Noted.Thx!:)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: xerox on July 07, 2010, 22:50
@Luv4nature how do you maintain the wooden surface of your CF?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on July 07, 2010, 23:32
xerox,

Here's my reccomendation for your CAM and other Sf speakers;

Your CAM is in satin laquer finish, normal maintenance should be dusting off using feather/ micro fiber duster (once a wk/ 2 wk), and when you feel like making it shine a little, you can use those stain-free piano polish from musical instrument shops to apply very lightly and then wipe-off. You have to always remove the dust first before any polish.
You need not polish it too often, something like once every 2 months will do :)

For those with high gloss finish (homage / piano black gloss), best to only dust-off, and if feel like polishing, only wipe very lightly with stain-free piano polish once in a long while... like 6 months.

For those solid walnut/ teak finish, it's ok to use old english pledge to make the solid wood look slightly more shinny.

Hope this helps  ;)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: xerox on July 07, 2010, 23:36
Thanks Luv4nature. The CAM came with a leather polish, it mentioned apply thin layer to the leather and driver. When it mentioned driver , it doesn't the whole driver right?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on July 07, 2010, 23:47
BE CAREFUL!

Use it only on the rubber surround of the woofer driver, not the woofer composite cone, and definitely not the tweeter.

Again, polishing of the leather is only necessary once in a while, you wouldn't want the baffle to look too oily :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: xerox on July 07, 2010, 23:55
So far SF is the only speaker that give leather polish .... interesting.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on July 08, 2010, 00:10
Example of a well-maintained 5 year old high gloss Sf.... my Ex-Lover- an AH in exotic unstained maple finish  ;)

(http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/5997/03misc0109a.jpg)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: sventan on July 08, 2010, 00:13
Awesome!:)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: xerox on July 08, 2010, 00:29
wow how you attain the shine on the SF? Can this be done on my CAM?  :P
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on July 08, 2010, 00:46
It was .... From Italy With Love   ;) Haha, to quote from Sonus faber: "Homage is painstakingly hand-stained and -lacquered, in a difficult process that only a small number of craftsmen are capable of performing."

Of all Sf models, only the Homage and all the piano black finishes are in high gloss. All the others are in satin finish.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: ilovepanerai on July 08, 2010, 00:52
Example of a well-maintained 5 year old high gloss Sf.... my Ex-Lover- an AH in exotic unstained maple finish  ;)


Hi L4N

Beautiful finish on an extremely nice pair of speaker....very italian...

Cheers
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: sizzle on July 08, 2010, 01:08
Auditor M recommended to be matched with 40w-150w amp. Mine is the floor stander, so need more watts. I use a 150w amp in a 6m x 4m x 2.5m room

thanks for the info..

is auditor M more suited for bigger rooms as compared to liuto monitor?

which will be better for a typical hdb bedroom with standard room furniture in it?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on July 08, 2010, 20:31
Both are similar in size and spec. But if you budget allows and you're more serious about the sound, go for the Cremona Auditor M as it is loaded with more refinement and emotions.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: sizzle on July 08, 2010, 20:41
Both are similar in size and spec. But if you budget allows and you're more serious about the sound, go for the Cremona Auditor M as it is loaded with more refinement and emotions.

okay thanks for the info..
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: skywalker on July 08, 2010, 23:37
Hi guys,

I recently went to audition the Sonus Faber Liuto Towers and was very impressed with the sound, finishing and more importantly, the price point which fits into my budget. Was initially considering the B&W XT series and Def Tech Mythos ST series but all that got thrown out of the window after auditioning the SF Liuto. Now that I've figured out what speakers to get, my next headache would be what and how to pair them with the relevant AVR, Amp, etc so I appreciate if the more experienced SF owners here could guide me to setting my 1st SF system.

Usage would be split 65% music, 35% movies/HT. My listening room is about 6m by 4m. I've done a fair bit of homework so far and think my best option would be to purchase a mid-range AVR like the Denon 1910/2310, Marantz or Onkyos then get a CD player and drive the Liuto Towers with a stereo integrated amp. I'll be getting the Liuto Smart as the centre speakers, while the SF Toy for the rear speakers. So ideally for HT, the AVR only needs to drive the rear and centre channels. My budget for the components would be abt 2.5 - 3k. Think a midrange AVR would cost abt 1k, leaving me with 1.5-2k for the CD player n stereo power amp. Currently considering the NAD C355BEE and C545BEE. Any comments on NAD products?

Would also like some feedback on whether this is a 'good' setup, or is it better to have a midrange AVR, CD player and Stereo power amp or another configuration for the SF speakers and my room setup? Also appreciate if you know of which brands being better suited to match the SF speakers. Thank you in advance!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on July 09, 2010, 00:37
skywalker,

welcome to the thread. You have just gotten the right first move in selecting Sonus faber speakers ;) IMO, the Liuto range is one of most under-rated and value for money speaker out there in the market.

You stated your starting point of 65/35 split in Music & HT, assuming you'll maintain at this ratio or grow in Music usage, in such case, it may be good to build a good Stereo set up and having HT as an "add-on". You may want to consider to apportion more budget to the amp and cdp than to the centre/ surr spks/ AVR. You can save a couple or hundred opting for the Toy center (still a very good performer as centre spk) and the domus wall (if stock is still avail) to leave more $ for amp and CDP. You can also select a entry or 2nd from entry level AVR from the usual safe brands of marantz, denon, onkyo or yamaha. Just make sure that your AVR has pre-out function to pass on front L/R signal to the integrated amp.

You would want a resonably good integrated amp that matches Liuto Tower and having features of HT bypass and remote trigger for convenience of integrating with the AVR. One such amplifier that I can recommend is the Krell S-300i integrated amp. It has both HT bypass & remote trigger function, as well as other useful features such as ipod connection, pre-out and a pair of XLR inputs (in case u get a CDP with balanced output in the future). Power is a decent 150W @ 8 Ohm Krell quality power and will drive the Liuto Tower like an easy meat, with sound performance equal or better than what you heard at the showroom. Price for S300i is in the range of 4k +/- -- again a great bargain in my opinion.
Check out these reviews on this amp: http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/krell3/krell.html , http://www.avguide.com/review/tested-krell-s-300i-integrated-amplifier , http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/tests-reviews/miscellaneous/2009/02/krell-s-300i-integrated-stereo-amplifier


For CD player, you may wanna try out Oppo CDP83SE, which has the convenience of playing both movies and CDs with very decent quality. There are many other choices for a good quality CDP also, that itself you can start a new thread or refer to the many past threads here at XP. Hope this is useful for you.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on July 09, 2010, 00:46
Hi L4N

Beautiful finish on an extremely nice pair of speaker....very italian...

Cheers

Glad you appreciate it... btw it sounded as good as it looked.  ;)

Hope they'll not stop making speakers that are this great !
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: xerox on July 09, 2010, 02:45
I realized 1 thing bout SF speaker is that they tend to be not much review on them and not as popular as compared to B&W, Dynaudio and some other brand. So weird.  ???
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: sventan on July 09, 2010, 03:11
I realized 1 thing bout SF speaker is that they tend to be not much review on them and not as popular as compared to B&W, Dynaudio and some other brand. So weird.  ???

Ya lor...I wonder...
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Quest on July 11, 2010, 10:30
Glad you appreciate it... btw it sounded as good as it looked.  ;)

Hope they'll not stop making speakers that are this great !
same goes for many other good brands like focal. :P less commercial i guess. in any case, i would really love to see a list of the sonus faber and their sound.. was told each speaker sounds different so that would be a good reference to someone new to the brand.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: chewed on July 11, 2010, 14:51
I realized 1 thing bout SF speaker is that they tend to be not much review on them and not as popular as compared to B&W, Dynaudio and some other brand. So weird.  ???

cos SF owners busy listening to their spkrs, so no time to write review...??
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: xerox on July 11, 2010, 15:39
Seriously the fact that SF is low profile might be good after all, i realized those high profile brand that appear in magazine with 5 stars rating tend to over rated and over hype. 
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: skywalker on July 12, 2010, 21:50
skywalker,

welcome to the thread. You have just gotten the right first move in selecting Sonus faber speakers ;) IMO, the Liuto range is one of most under-rated and value for money speaker out there in the market.

You stated your starting point of 65/35 split in Music & HT, assuming you'll maintain at this ratio or grow in Music usage, in such case, it may be good to build a good Stereo set up and having HT as an "add-on". You may want to consider to apportion more budget to the amp and cdp than to the centre/ surr spks/ AVR. You can save a couple or hundred opting for the Toy center (still a very good performer as centre spk) and the domus wall (if stock is still avail) to leave more $ for amp and CDP. You can also select a entry or 2nd from entry level AVR from the usual safe brands of marantz, denon, onkyo or yamaha. Just make sure that your AVR has pre-out function to pass on front L/R signal to the integrated amp.

You would want a resonably good integrated amp that matches Liuto Tower and having features of HT bypass and remote trigger for convenience of integrating with the AVR. One such amplifier that I can recommend is the Krell S-300i integrated amp. It has both HT bypass & remote trigger function, as well as other useful features such as ipod connection, pre-out and a pair of XLR inputs (in case u get a CDP with balanced output in the future). Power is a decent 150W @ 8 Ohm Krell quality power and will drive the Liuto Tower like an easy meat, with sound performance equal or better than what you heard at the showroom. Price for S300i is in the range of 4k +/- -- again a great bargain in my opinion.
Check out these reviews on this amp: http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/krell3/krell.html , http://www.avguide.com/review/tested-krell-s-300i-integrated-amplifier , http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/tests-reviews/miscellaneous/2009/02/krell-s-300i-integrated-stereo-amplifier


For CD player, you may wanna try out Oppo CDP83SE, which has the convenience of playing both movies and CDs with very decent quality. There are many other choices for a good quality CDP also, that itself you can start a new thread or refer to the many past threads here at XP. Hope this is useful for you.

Thanks Luv4nature! Appreciate the informative post. In the end after doing some more homework and going to test, I've more or less decided on the NAD CD and power amp (150watt). The Krell is quite a bit out of my budget but i'll KIV this for future upgrade :)

Went down to test the Marantz SA 8003.. it came across being too bright n clear for my liking. Also tested the Cyrus 6xp n Naim CD5i but both were a little to ex. Finally decided on the NAD 345 as it sounded more natural like the Cyrus but at a much more affordable price. So i'll get a denon 2310 AVR, a NAD 345 for CD and the NAD 275 as a stereo power amp to power the Liuto Towers.

By the way, any Liuto tower owners here? I thought the bass was a little boomy when I tested it again at HER. Any idea how a boomy bass could be 'rectified'? Can the boominess be reduced with a good subwoofer or proper placement?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on July 13, 2010, 12:08
Yes, it's important to settle on something that you like and within your budget.

For bass issue and room treatment, why not do more search on topics such as this?

http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=67318.0

The Liuto tower has rear bass reflex port, so the positioning of speaker (i.e. need space from wall) is rather important.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: amakusaray on July 19, 2010, 22:19
Price of Auditor M and where to audit?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: OmegaRed on July 20, 2010, 00:11
7k with stand. HighEnd Research audition.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: oomph on July 26, 2010, 20:40
how to buy replacement string grill for SF cremonas?
or better still can anyone mod a simple black grill cloth type that can fit?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on July 26, 2010, 20:45
it's a relatively straight forward job of tensioning each string, tie knob and cut away the slack. Probably a one hour diy job. After retensioning, it's able to hold for another few years.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: ilovepanerai on July 26, 2010, 23:53
Hi SF owners,

Read quite a fair bit that SF matches very very well with Yter cables, are any of the SF owners here using Yter cables?
Recently heard from someone who heard the Yter XLR cable and giving recommendation.

Thinking of trying and hope to have some comments from users.

Cheers
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on July 27, 2010, 00:31
Yter cable is developed by the founder Franco during his final Sonus faber Stradivari Hommage project, it was first used in the Strads as internal cables, and subsequently in the Amati Anniversario, and Guarneri Memento, and also more recently in his Ktema speakers. Silver / Palladium spiral solid core alloy is used as the conductor with air as main dielectric.

First on the spk cable, it goes without saying that it "connects" well with Sf speakers, there's no hint of any emphasis on any particular part of musical bandwidth, it conveys lots of detail, and it is very fast sounding-- so much so that it may bring false sense of "lack of bass" or "dryness" on initial listening (in which the bass & mid colouration are quite commonly associated with many cables IMO).

On the yter interconnects, I tend to think they bring "icing on the cake" to components that are already matching to a Sf spk based system, and not to be used as a tuning link for a system. Basically, it has minimum character on its own, carries the same timbre and flow as the more recent Sf house sound, and is among the best in conveying level of detail. Note the RCA version relies on twisted conductor geometry for noise rejection without use of shield, so it may pick up some AC noise if placed too close to PC (anyway most i/cs do), thus what you mentioned that the XLR version is good, in that it is more immuned to noise, but that is the inhenrent benefit of balanced cables.

Thet are very reasonably priced, considering the materials used and the build, and also compared with many of the less engineered cables out there. They are gems waiting to be discovered if you ask me...
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: ilovepanerai on July 27, 2010, 14:12
Yter cable is developed by the founder Franco during his final Sonus faber Stradivari Hommage project, it was first used in the Strads as internal cables, and subsequently in the Amati Anniversario, and Guarneri Memento, and also more recently in his Ktema speakers. Silver / Palladium spiral solid core alloy is used as the conductor with air as main dielectric.

First on the spk cable, it goes without saying that it "connects" well with Sf speakers, there's no hint of any emphasis on any particular part of musical bandwidth, it conveys lots of detail, and it is very fast sounding-- so much so that it may bring false sense of "lack of bass" or "dryness" on initial listening (in which the bass & mid colouration are quite commonly associated with many cables IMO).

On the yter interconnects, I tend to think they bring "icing on the cake" to components that are already matching to a Sf spk based system, and not to be used as a tuning link for a system. Basically, it has minimum character on its own, carries the same timbre and flow as the more recent Sf house sound, and is among the best in conveying level of detail. Note the RCA version relies on twisted conductor geometry for noise rejection without use of shield, so it may pick up some AC noise if placed too close to PC (anyway most i/cs do), thus what you mentioned that the XLR version is good, in that it is more immuned to noise, but that is the inhenrent benefit of balanced cables.

Thet are very reasonable priced, considering the materials used and the build, and also compared with many of the less engineered cables out there. They are gems waiting to be discovered if you ask me...

Hi L4N,

Thanks for the inputs.
Yes, what you menetioned matches most if not all of what I read from some forums and users.
The Yter cable are truely understated.
Only negative i hear about them is their long break in time required, as with all other solid core cables.

Cheers
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: xerox on July 27, 2010, 15:31
Hi Luv4Nature, can you PM me how much it cost for the speaker cable?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on August 04, 2010, 11:09
Just for awareness, the Cremona Elipsa is now available in Delux version, with high gloss violin red finish, making it ever closer to the looks of the Stradivari (in the background) :P

(http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/840/elipsadeluxe2.jpg)

http://audioaficionado.org/sonus-faber/5081-new-sonus-faber-eipsa-deluxe.html
Title: Re: Elipsa Delux
Post by: Luv4nature on August 07, 2010, 23:34
A Delux version Elipsa made it for the HK AV Show.

Finish and shine is no compromise just like Stradivari... and actually, the geometry ratio in this finish seems to be more pleasing than the Strad. This version is going to be a show stealing speaker in time to come.

(http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/1055/p1010111p.jpg)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on August 31, 2010, 12:27
Something non Dynaudio or Plinius on this forum for a change :)

So who is the lucky person who bought the Sonus faber Cremona Auditor at a good price recently ??
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on August 31, 2010, 12:38
For those who are interested to know more about the Liuto Tower, here's a recent review by Hi Fi + (download the 31 Jul review PDF). I thought it was a pretty good representation of how the Liuto performs.

http://www.absolutesounds.com/index.php?page=17
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: zingzingla on August 31, 2010, 20:23
I'm wondering if there's much sonic diference between the Cremona Auditor and the newer 'M ' version ?
I remember hearing it some time back overseas n liked the sound and absolutely loved the looks of those speaker-can't take my eyes off it !!! Such beauty..........
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on August 31, 2010, 21:37
In general, the current "M" version has tighter control (esp high freq and bass) also added pace over the earlier version. Do note these sonic differences between the M and non-M seem to be more on the cremona than the cremona auditor.

Anyway as what you have remarked, the Sf sound and appearance are always something worth craving for :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: zingzingla on August 31, 2010, 23:06
Thanks for the great info! Ya,I can;t take my eyes off the Cremona Auditors and still having fantasies about them ha.



In general, the current "M" version has tighter control (esp high freq and bass) also added pace over the earlier version. Do note these sonic differences between the M and non-M seem to be more on the cremona than the cremona auditor.

Anyway as what you have remarked, the Sf sound and appearance are always something worth craving for :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Kopi on September 01, 2010, 18:31
Understand that there is this Soft cleaner applicator that you use to wipe over the SF speaker wood finish. Someone
told me but I cannot remember the brand...use for Piano too. Anyone knows?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on September 01, 2010, 18:46
xerox,

Here's my reccomendation for your CAM and other Sf speakers;

Your CAM is in satin laquer finish, normal maintenance should be dusting off using feather/ micro fiber duster (once a wk/ 2 wk), and when you feel like making it shine a little, you can use those stain-free piano polish from musical instrument shops to apply very lightly and then wipe-off. You have to always remove the dust first before any polish.
You need not polish it too often, something like once every 2 months will do :)

For those with high gloss finish (homage / piano black gloss), best to only dust-off, and if feel like polishing, only wipe very lightly with stain-free piano polish once in a long while... like 6 months.

For those solid walnut/ teak finish, it's ok to use old english pledge to make the solid wood look slightly more shinny.

Hope this helps  ;)

This is prob what you're looking for..
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: heuer on September 09, 2010, 22:43
In general, the current "M" version has tighter control (esp high freq and bass) also added pace over the earlier version. Do note these sonic differences between the M and non-M seem to be more on the cremona than the cremona auditor.

Anyway as what you have remarked, the Sf sound and appearance are always something worth craving for :)

I realized the driver and tweeter is totally different even for the Cremona Auditor M. So there isn't any significant improvement? The M series seems to be more expensive than none M when i saw it in HK. I am keen in this pair of speakers as it just sound so different from the old SF. BTW it seems there is not much SF user here, the price seems to be competitive as compared to other brand though. Any concern to buy this speaker?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on September 10, 2010, 00:05
I realized the driver and tweeter is totally different even for the Cremona Auditor M. So there isn't any significant improvement? The M series seems to be more expensive than none M when i saw it in HK. I am keen in this pair of speakers as it just sound so different from the old SF. BTW it seems there is not much SF user here, the price seems to be competitive as compared to other brand though. Any concern to buy this speaker?

Highly recommended, provided you have enough space between back of speaker and the wall. There are 2 rear firing ports. Minimum 1m distance, preferably more.

Very revealing the new tweeter and mid. So your source must be up to the mark to get the most out of this speaker. Converse also holds true i.e if your source is less than refined, all the flaws will become very obvious.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: heuer on September 10, 2010, 00:18
Highly recommended, provided you have enough space between back of speaker and the wall. There are 2 rear firing ports. Minimum 1m distance, preferably more.

Very revealing the new tweeter and mid. So your source must be up to the mark to get the most out of this speaker. Converse also holds true i.e if your source is less than refined, all the flaws will become very obvious.


2 rear firing port? I am referring to the stand mount Cremona Auditor M  ;) My budget is about 7k , is looking at the B&W 805 Diamond as well. How does this 2 stand against each other?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on September 10, 2010, 01:24
They are 2 different sounding brand of speakers. B&W are more hifi-ish sounding, i.e. you get most of the details, and everything seems to be in place. Musical notes are more orderly so to speak.

While Sonus faber speakers tend to be more musical, more expressive & soulful, also often draw listeners more into listening to the essence of music, rather than always imposing to audience the awareness of listening to a set of hifi hardware. Older Sonus spks are more colourful and romantic sounding. However, the later models like the Cremona Auditor M that you're considering are more toned down in those aspects, and have caught up to be more modern and dynamic sounding.

Actually, the population of Sonus faber owners in Singapore is not small. Just that they are not as participative as some of the other fans here in this forum. Considering the sub $10k category, they offer quite a few models that are excellent in performance value. Somehow, they have not been widely considered by those who are venturing into this price category.

So you really have to listen to both to decide for yourself which suits you.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Quest on September 10, 2010, 07:49
i'm sure.. i bump into sonus faber owners all the time.
at reservist just met someone who said he owns the guarneri. at audio shop met someone who plans to buy the amati. :)

dun think i quite agree that B&W are more hifi-ish though. ;)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on September 10, 2010, 09:48

2 rear firing port? I am referring to the stand mount Cremona Auditor M  ;) My budget is about 7k , is looking at the B&W 805 Diamond as well. How does this 2 stand against each other?

Oops my mistake. I thought you are interested in the Cremona M, non-Auditor version. The Auditor M is of course a lot easier to place and amp friendlier too.

I cant comment on the sound between B&W and SF, but on looks alone, the Cremona Auditor M with the matching stands win hands down!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on September 10, 2010, 10:06
Yeah, the CA M is relatively easier to set up in most typical room in Singapore.

Btw, you can read a couple of reviews here:

http://www.absolutesounds.com/index.php?pageNum_press_rs=5&totalRows_press_rs=291&page=17
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: xerox on September 10, 2010, 11:54
I had a pair of Cremona Auditor M driven by Naim. Having to audit various speaker which include 805S, Contour S1.4 and etc. The CA M sound more refined and extended without being harsh. Having to audit the 805S driven by Classe, i am not impressed it somehow sound flat the bass don't go low enough as well. Not sure how the 805D wull perform as compared to 805S. I not sure if my Naim is good enough but i am sure when i climb up the Naim ladder the speaker is there to stay.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: heuer on September 11, 2010, 02:11
Thanks interesting feedback for the Cremona Auditor M. Still looking around though but i must say i am very impressed by the outlook  ;D
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: sgkho on September 17, 2010, 13:42
Anyone here own a SF EA2? Thought of upgradeing to EA2, Anyone?????

At the moment own a concertino and ls5/9......

Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on September 17, 2010, 15:21
Know the EA2 pretty well. It's a big step up from yr current tino. It is quite special in the sense that it is the largest full solid walnut cabinet made by Sonus faber to date.

However, few things to note in order to fully optimize from the EA2; 1) best to use original fixed or adjustable stands to achieve the desired support and coupling, 2) be prepared to have lots of room on the rear of the EA2 for the passive radiator to disperse bass notes effectively, if without adequate space, you'd need some acoustic panel to make up... but not as ideal. 3) pair with quality high current amplifications.

Sonic signature wise, the EA2 has nice rich midrange, natural high frequency extension, and bass that goes deep in a soothing way but not in a punchy manner. If set up correctly, it will throw a big sound stage with captivating musicality. Aesthetic wise it has a very attractive Italian artisan presentation... a very trade mark look of Sonus faber speakers.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: sgkho on September 18, 2010, 11:03
Know the EA2 pretty well. It's a big step up from yr current tino. It is quite special in the sense that it is the largest full solid walnut cabinet made by Sonus faber to date.

However, few things to note in order to fully optimize from the EA2; 1) best to use original fixed or adjustable stands to achieve the desired support and coupling, 2) be prepared to have lots of room on the rear of the EA2 for the passive radiator to disperse bass notes effectively, if without adequate space, you'd need some acoustic panel to make up... but not as ideal. 3) pair with quality high current amplifications.

Sonic signature wise, the EA2 has nice rich midrange, natural high frequency extension, and bass that goes deep in a soothing way but not in a punchy manner. If set up correctly, it will throw a big sound stage with captivating musicality. Aesthetic wise it has a very attractive Italian artisan presentation... a very trade mark look of Sonus faber speakers.
Thanks for the info, so have you own a pair b4. And how much is the current price right now any ideal?

Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on September 18, 2010, 11:26
Yes... for close to 2 years.

Prices for pre-owned speakers- that needs to be determined by the market, there's no real "right" price but often case of willing buyer-willing seller :)

Closest market price one can make reference to is the audiogon blue book, but you need to pay a nominal fee to subscribe to it.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on October 10, 2010, 14:37
Hi, U may want to PM me first on the clarifications you need on the EA2.
Title: Re: Sonus faber New Flagship Speaker: Fenice
Post by: Luv4nature on October 12, 2010, 11:57
A grand launch of the new flagship "Fenice" Speaker:

http://www.hificlube.net/Sections/Details.aspx?articleID=23488&sectionID=2

A Taiwan site:

http://www.audionet.com.tw/blog.article/view/sn/140

Looks like it is intense in engineering.... but too much metal for my taste.

@140,000 euro a pair "only", anyone wants to order a pair from Highend Research?  ;)


The new flagship is now officially renamed as "The Sonus faber", so Fernice no more.... what a blunder  ???

http://www.hificlube.net/Sections/Details.aspx?articleID=23504&sectionID=1
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blaise on October 19, 2010, 14:31
hi all SF fans, i am checking into this thread being a relatively new owner of SFs.

Could i ask apart from Yter, what other speaker cables are you all using with your SFs?
 
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on October 19, 2010, 18:18
Tara labs RSC Prime spk cables give pretty neutral, uncoloured presentation and acceptable pace with Sf speakers.

Siltech cables are also quite good match.

Which Sf have you acquired ?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on November 29, 2010, 12:29
A beautiful and artistic presentation of Sonus faber founder Franco Serblin !!

http://www.francoserblin.it/inglese.html
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: atx2 on November 29, 2010, 13:07
huh! now no longer call SF already  ???

I love the black Ktema 8)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on November 29, 2010, 13:15
Ownership wise, they are not co-owned by AR, more like the Italian private equity company Quadrivio SGR owns both Sonus faber & Audio Research.

Franco Serblin sold the company in 2008. So the Sf models up until 2008 still has his full/ part involvement. After that, I think the product line is going to be very different.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on January 08, 2011, 00:32
New Sonus faber Amati Futura showcase at CES:

(http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/2557/img3220e.jpg)

http://my-hiend.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=3066&page=10
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: marduk on January 26, 2011, 09:17
Hi,
Has anyone listened to both the Cremona Auditor and the Auditor M? Care to share the similarities and differences?
The speaker manual does not provide much information on setup. Does it sounds better to have the speakers toe-in to the sweet spot or a slight toe-in will do? How about the tilt angle? Should it be set above the ear level? Thanks....
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on January 26, 2011, 21:08
Short reply on your question (taken from the previous page..)

"In general, the current "M" version has tighter control (esp high freq and bass) also added pace over the earlier version. Do note these sonic differences between the M and non-M seem to be more on the cremona than the cremona auditor."

Toe-in or forward firing? there's no absolute solution, all depends on your preference, equipment, and room acoustic. A generalization is that toe-in improves on your imaging, in the expense of soundstage and bass response. For Sf speakers, you can first try to toe in at almost 1 feet or two from the sweet spot.

For tilt angle, Sf speakers are designed for the tweeter height to be slightly above your hearing level, for optimum dispersion and not to sound too bright.

Hope this serves as a starting guide, you'd really have to try various positioning to get the best.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: marduk on February 03, 2011, 12:37
Hi,
Happy New Year!
Another SF Cremona Auditor signing in... :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: hamster on February 04, 2011, 20:55
looking for cremona m, pm me if willing to sell. thanks
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: francishuang on February 05, 2011, 03:17
how much are the cremona m new anyway? aiming at either the cremona m or wilson sophia 3
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on February 05, 2011, 09:50
how much are the cremona m new anyway? aiming at either the cremona m or wilson sophia 3
It was $15k, negotiable when I bought mine over a year ago. Prices would have gone up slightly. Wilson Sophia 3 will be above $20k. Very different presentation between the Wilson and SF. Wilson is bold and dynamic, while the SF is better at nuances and refinement. The SF sounds way better in homes rather than at HER, where the demo area suffers from congestion. The sound is influenced in a bad way by the other speakers resonating at the same time. You wont go wrong with either one, but both need good amps. Don't believe what the specs say that flea powered amps can drive either one well.   
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: francishuang on February 05, 2011, 10:43
will be using the ensemble ecco amp. not the fastest, but quite sweet none the less. I remembered the old sound of sonus faber speakers, n it will match my 12 yr old amp perfectly. found out that the cremona m is not like of the old sf speakers, moving somewhat towards the wilson way. will be putting it in front of the projection screen, the sophia 3 are 10cm shorter then the cremona m and thus it will not block and i do not need to move it far apart.( sophia 3 will block a wee bit). High end research show room is not a good place to auditon both speakers n so hearing both the speakers to sing to their almost full  potential is out. Heart is telling me the cremona m but mind is telling me the sophia 3. HEADACHE!  lol
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: durianlover88 on February 05, 2011, 10:56
Bro, Audioline (Bobby) has one last pair of graphite SF Cremona (not M) still in box, I believe. If you prefer old SF sound, this one not to be missed :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: francishuang on February 05, 2011, 11:34
Bro, Audioline (Bobby) has one last pair of graphite SF Cremona (not M) still in box, I believe. If you prefer old SF sound, this one not to be missed :)

OK!, thanx a lot. will go check it out after the holiday period.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on February 05, 2011, 12:23
Hi,
Happy New Year!
Another SF Cremona Auditor signing in... :)

Happy new year and welcome to the club !
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on February 05, 2011, 12:34
will be using the ensemble ecco amp. not the fastest, but quite sweet none the less. I remembered the old sound of sonus faber speakers, n it will match my 12 yr old amp perfectly. found out that the cremona m is not like of the old sf speakers, moving somewhat towards the wilson way. will be putting it in front of the projection screen, the sophia 3 are 10cm shorter then the cremona m and thus it will not block and i do not need to move it far apart.( sophia 3 will block a wee bit). High end research show room is not a good place to auditon both speakers n so hearing both the speakers to sing to their almost full  potential is out. Heart is telling me the cremona m but mind is telling me the sophia 3. HEADACHE!  lol

Hi there, I think the Cremona M still carries the Sonus faber house sound (actually more so than the earlier Cremona), it's just that it is also made to sound more modern at the same time, in the sense of better control in both ends of the frequency. The lush mid range signature is still there, and if set up well and paired with the right electronics, the soundstage and presentation will be respectable.

Wilson, on the other hand, awed with its dynamics and pace, but its mid range is never quite as rich. If there is more intent to use the set up for HT, Wilson will fit the shoe. Otherwise, Sonus faber serves extremely well for music listening indulgence. :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: hmvc on February 06, 2011, 15:24
going to call high end research in sg to enquire. hk distributors and agents are slashing the prices. they quoted me approx 60k hkd, i yet to bargain. i believe worldwide also slashing prices to clear. I hope high end research can give better bargains in preparation of more Sf sales.

http://sumikoaudio.net/special.html

By the way, in case anyone is in the market for SF speakers, looks like they have promotional pricing as shown here on Sumiko's web site: Sumiko Audio : Sonus faber special. The way I read this is these are new list prices until Mar so maybe there is additional room to negotiate from here . There is excess inventory in the channel but this makes sense in light of new product introductions in 2011 (3 new speakers), so clearing existing inventory to allow for strong launch of new products is logical.

http://audioaficionado.org/sonus-faber/6625-sonus-faber-new-homage-speakers.html
The manufacturer is definitely slashing prices to clear...
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: francishuang on February 06, 2011, 18:15
sg prices are normally quite cheap. the sumiko sale price is already what HER sells normally
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: hmvc on February 07, 2011, 00:36
i think HER is open for negiotation if manufacturer is selling to them at reduced price..
for me, i wont be paying for old price. consumers has the right to choose.

hopefully when new product launch, HER can offer at lower price.

if not, when i travel overseas, just buy bookshelf and carry back lor. no issue.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: francishuang on February 07, 2011, 00:49
yeah. just carry it back from overseas if its worth the difference. how much different in price do you feel will make it worth the effort?  group buy anyone?? hehe
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: hmvc on February 07, 2011, 01:34
>2k. 2k enough to bring ur gf or wife for short tour in HK .
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: jussy1254 on February 07, 2011, 06:25
I'm a soon to be SF Amati defector... Moving away from the brand as my wife does not like the wy they look :-(

So if anyone out there is interested I have a 14 month old pair of graphite nniversarios for sale in perfect condition $18'000
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: durianlover88 on February 07, 2011, 08:04
going to call high end research in sg to enquire. hk distributors and agents are slashing the prices. they quoted me approx 60k hkd, i yet to bargain. i believe worldwide also slashing prices to clear. I hope high end research can give better bargains in preparation of more Sf sales.

http://sumikoaudio.net/special.html

By the way, in case anyone is in the market for SF speakers, looks like they have promotional pricing as shown here on Sumiko's web site: Sumiko Audio : Sonus faber special. The way I read this is these are new list prices until Mar so maybe there is additional room to negotiate from here . There is excess inventory in the channel but this makes sense in light of new product introductions in 2011 (3 new speakers), so clearing existing inventory to allow for strong launch of new products is logical.

http://audioaficionado.org/sonus-faber/6625-sonus-faber-new-homage-speakers.html
The manufacturer is definitely slashing prices to clear...

What I know is when there is excess stock especially for EOL situation, HER will push to Audioline for clearance. So you should an eye on both sides if nego at HER did not go through. Need to be aware about shipping in these huge Cremona M boxes, very expensive, plus also the 7% customs gst tax.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: hmvc on February 07, 2011, 23:06
since u mention something here, I might as well add on.

HK side is offering 60k hkd specifically for cremona m maple colour, add 2k for graphite colour. ship worldwide. check out www.review33.com

I do hv to mention that Sf cremona m does not offer details, there are definitely some trade off. however i could use DEQ to compensate for room acoustics so no issue. If i need to boost some freqs dynamically at + dbs , also no issue.

naim nap250 + hicap + cd5x driving naim speaker also not so musical. This coniguration already around 20k

I do hv to mention that after listening to so many systems over these years. Sf is unqiue.
If u are not into heavy metal, its ok.

On dynaudio c1, its coherence, timing , smoothness and BASS.
But Sf Cremona.M offers emotion, and ability to let u enjou music.

if u add the right amplifier, u will be astonished. I used to use tube.
use muse studio china made - sgd2k... god like musicality. add plinius 9200, gryphon or goldmund.. jaw drop.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: hmvc on February 07, 2011, 23:20
in other words, u get to heaven by using lesser monies.


u want overall rounder - go for C1 + big amp ($$$$) = 20k at least.

u want musicality - cremona m auditor + muse = 7-8k.
want musicality plus punch - C m auditor + plinus 9200 = 12k.
if u get these 2nd hand, much cheaper.

match with care. hv seen Sf auditors pair with <CMI> amps in forum, feel really sad dat its wasted and not to full potential

heard systems from 10k to 100k , speakers with emphasis, speed,coherence. focal, naim, guru, avalon, kef, b &w, usher.. etc

 Sf with the right combination is something really special. usher will be closer to Sf

Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: marduk on February 08, 2011, 20:13
Do you guys listen with the grills on or off? It appears many SF users are pairing with McIntosh equipments especially the amplifiers. What  are you guys pairing your SF with?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on February 08, 2011, 22:30
Do you guys listen with the grills on or off? It appears many SF users are pairing with McIntosh equipments especially the amplifiers. What  are you guys pairing your SF with?

Grills off, they attract dust. Paired with Audio Research pre, Goldmund power and analog source. No syrupy sweetness here. Just PRaT, dynamics and coherence top to bottom.   
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: hmvc on February 09, 2011, 00:44
wow.

what audio research pre and goldmund power u are using? r u using yter speaker cable?

bro, can listen to ur setup a not? my saliva is dripping.. ;D
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: hmvc on February 12, 2011, 17:29
sf amati, yum yum
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: francis wu on February 12, 2011, 17:50
So, have you decided which one to go for!!!........ ::)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: synthesis on February 12, 2011, 18:33
sf amati, yum yum


Here's the crossover of the Amati..... basic Mundorf M-Cap. ;)
http://www.hifi-notes.com/sonusfaberamatifabrikage-nl.htm
(http://www.hifi-notes.com/images/amati6.jpg)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: hmvc on February 12, 2011, 21:33
So, have you decided which one to go for!!!........ ::)

not yet. just went to listen mini dancer 2.. seems like a good proposition. i need to go over to blue star and ur place to listen. listening to more setup let me know what type of sound i like.
I have heard some systems, male voices tend to be less tolerable. but hearing on mini 1, mini 2 and Sfs, the male voice is more tolerable and enjoyable.

feel like buying mini 2 and then mod the cross overs..
trying to spend less monies along the audio path by buying something u enjoy immensely. when u really enjoy, u dun want to change so much. i also dun know last time how i can stick to my nad541cdp, rotel and quad 11l for 5 yrs. nowadays  always change here and there.. very jialat.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: hmvc on February 12, 2011, 21:42
bro, 10k to buy a speaker.. i got the budget and when i think what to buy.. really re think and rethink again whether this is right.. do i need to buy such a good speaker to enjoy high fidelity...  :'( :'(
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: francis wu on February 12, 2011, 21:47
Well, I can tell that pound for pound, Ushers speakers are really the choice, more so now with the diamond speakers!

Either the 718 or the mini 2 will give you the satisfaction you are looking for...... :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: hmvc on February 12, 2011, 22:01
i know u are an advocate of standmount in small to med room. the issue i had with standmount is that the speaker cables hanging from back. and also if the stand is not strong enough. its possible to knock on it when i walk ard.

so to me, might as well just get floorstander. haha.. my master/ listening room is ard 4.5 by 6. not big not small.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: hmvc on February 12, 2011, 22:09
francis bro. heard goldmund integrated + Sf cremona M at HER.
I can tell u its very special. very musically. specially the voice and ambient.. like live venue.
if u listen to jazz, vocals, soft rock. no horse run. .. I heard so many systems like diff bros hses and showrooms. many emphasis on clear and transparent , dynamics. like bongteo or strike 55 place or some gd showroom.

but i can tell u this combination really no horse run, like live venue. a lot of ppl in HK actuallly get goldmund to match with Sf. u got to listen..

but maybe ur place could be the ONE and only reference.. i also feel that HER demo for SF is yet to be optimised.
the only trick that used is the YTER speaker cable which is same as SF internal wiring.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: durianlover88 on February 12, 2011, 22:12
Used to use the B&W 805S, so know what you mean about knocking it down & wiring uglies.
Then I got so fascinated by Sonus Faber, I almost bought the entire Cremona line. In the end, I bought the Cremona centre and Wall Domus, and was staring at the Amati Anniversary for very long. Eventually I ended up with the Emerald Physics CS2.7 (driver upgrade from CS2.3). No regrets though and very happy. Remember what you post about room acoustics is 50% in the naunces thread. No need too expensive speakers and amps to enjoy :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on February 12, 2011, 22:14
Usher in its early days of business copied quite a few design from Sonus faber. In fact, few of usher's models still reassemble some of Sonus' past models e.g. the original Concerto bookshelf.

Sound wise, they are quite different in presentation. usher makes some good value for money speakers nowadays, but still never have the mid range magic of the Sonus faber, so not sure what's the relevance to discuss usher speakers under the Sonus thread.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: hmvc on February 12, 2011, 22:19
Usher in its early days of business copied quite a few design from Sonus faber. In fact, few of usher's models still reassemble some of Sonus' past models e.g. the original Concerto bookshelf.

Sound wise, they are quite different in presentation. usher makes some good value for money speakers nowadays, but still never has the mid range magic of the Sonus faber, so not sure what's is relevance to discuss usher speakers under the Sonus thread.

not really.. worldwide - especially ppl in audiogon or audiocon.org commented usher as a cheap knockoff of SFs. there is a reason for dat cos of mid range.

but with usher coming up new models and its coming to the same biz model as Sf new management.
forumers will tend to discuss and compare. and if the local agent or Sf cannot handle then I dun know what to say.

Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: hmvc on February 12, 2011, 22:27
Used to use the B&W 805S, so know what you mean about knocking it down & wiring uglies.
Then I got so fascinated by Sonus Faber, I almost bought the entire Cremona line. In the end, I bought the Cremona centre and Wall Domus, and was staring at the Amati Anniversary for very long. Eventually I ended up with the Emerald Physics CS2.7 (driver upgrade from CS2.3). No regrets though and very happy. Remember what you post about room acoustics is 50% in the naunces thread. No need too expensive speakers and amps to enjoy :)

i got DEQ to equalise the room acoustics and also some sonamex. I think its also possible to equalise using modern technology. i do agree wth what u say.. no need expensive speakers and amp..
but to a certain extent, some like passlabs or Sfs hv nice cabinet or tech so ex...lor..
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on February 12, 2011, 22:28
francis bro. heard goldmund integrated + Sf cremona M at HER.
I can tell u its very special. very musically. specially the voice and ambient.. like live venue.

but i can tell u this combination really no horse run, like live venue. a lot of ppl in HK actuallly get goldmund to match with Sf. u got to listen..

the only trick that used is the YTER speaker cable which is same as SF internal wiring.

Actually most hardcore and long time Sonus faber fans think goldmund amps are not the best match for Sf speakers, as they tend to remove some "soul" from the Sonus faber package.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: hmvc on February 12, 2011, 22:34
if i got SF, this is what i intend to play

rock and pop - use Goldmund
jazz, vocal - use tube amp like AR or muse audio or lamm ML.

but if i just stick to SS, any idea which is a gd match. passlabs?

passlab XA30.5, passlab int30.5 . fun thing is in diyaudio, nelson pass actually recommended xa30.5 to use for some diff speaker load. single ended transistor amp.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on February 12, 2011, 22:37
Have you been following Sonus faber for long time or just through reading and hearing here and there to claim those remarks?

Especially now that usher is venturing into the direction of clinical sounding with diamond and beryllium tweeters, a total departure of the rich and full body Sonus faber house sound, again don't see what's the relevance of comparing Sonus faber with usher other than usher's sonus faber- look alike cabinet.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: hmvc on February 12, 2011, 22:39
xa30.5 outputs 60watts of class A for 4ohm speaker, goes toA/B mode to 200 watts.

nelson pass actually said in forum that its his best value amp at 5k only. And to think abt it, in small room, a high current amp is adequate for difficult speaker load. i think the concept is like naim.

till today, my brain is still telling me more watts better, not more current.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: synthesis on February 12, 2011, 22:41
iso to me, might as well just get floorstander. haha.. my master/ listening room is ard 4.5 by 6. not big not small.


Yes you need floorstanders for that room. :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: hmvc on February 12, 2011, 22:47
Have you been following Sonus faber for long time or just through reading and hearing here and there to claim those remarks?

Especially now that usher is venturing into the direction of clinical sounding with diamond and beryllium tweeters, a total departure of the rich and full body Sonus faber house sound, again don't see what's the relevance of comparing Sonus faber with usher other than usher's sonus faber- look alike cabinet.

bro, i use my ears to judge. sound of usher can be 70-80% same as SFs lower end models if u tune a bit.
sure, there are diffs. if not, i wont be praising Sf liao.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: francis wu on February 12, 2011, 23:09
Just curious, how much is the Passlab XA30.5 retailing here?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: hmvc on February 12, 2011, 23:16
Just curious, how much is the Passlab XA30.5 retailing here?

bro, i talk to u abt this when I go to ur hse this month, one of the weekends.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on February 12, 2011, 23:22
Have no disrespect for current Usher, especially lately some of their speakers are quite up to the mark and developing its own fame and fan base, with mostly their own effort.

But their early short-cut marketing method left little to be desired, by direct copying or modifying some of Sonus faber's unique cabinet designs. When their speakers first started appearing in showrooms, and when customers querried about whether they are Sonus faber speakers, usher themselves and most distributors would say ... "no, they are a new brand made in Taiwan, but they are cheaper and sounds better than Sonus faber..." So the earlier riding-on-Sonus faber tactics worked well for them and usher customers grew in numbers. Note that Sonus faber first innovated and patended the lute shape cabinet and string grilles, but founder Franco Serblin selflessly never chosen to enforce it and gladly let every other speaker manufacturers adopted and popularised it.

Some brand adopted part of the innovation and blended their own thinking, such as Krell's LAT having lute shape cabinet but with aluminum material and industrial texture.... but Usher's 718 series cabinet... was a direct copy wholesale of Sonus faber's Concerto.

Therefore, those who are still claiming Usher sounds better and are cheaper than Sonus faber, are taking part to remind the not-so innovative early market entry history of Usher. Instead, I think Usher supporters should be claiming the strength of their speakers on its own merits (esp now they do have competitive edge with its own developemnt), and should no longer live under the shadow or making reference of other brands.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Idlewise4ever on February 12, 2011, 23:24
Hi guys any idea how much is arc dsi200?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: francis wu on February 12, 2011, 23:26
Haha, it will have to be end of the month lor as I will be traveling to Sha n Hkg/Szh next 2 weeks!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: hmvc on February 12, 2011, 23:39
enjoy ur trip..

2 weeks.. ok, mean end of month, pm u
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: hmvc on February 12, 2011, 23:42
Hi guys any idea how much is arc dsi200?

pm u liao. i was quoted.

anyway note that at high wpc, the thd distortion readings. its in avguide. must read between the lines.. haha
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: hmvc on February 13, 2011, 01:55
actually in hk and states, they are already lowering the price of SFs. but in HER, it seems like walk in customers get no competitive price. if u are connected to HER.., maybe can get better pricing.

http://sumikoaudio.net/special.html

all i want to say is whatever HER is quoting now, is USD convert to SGD exactly. Its not cheaper.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: francishuang on February 13, 2011, 05:51
i'm gona mach the cremona m with my trusty old ensemble amp.( the amp is the reason y i am rebuilding everything up again. regarding which brand's amp match SF speakers the best,  i think, it is down to personal preference. I remember hearing a pairing with cello amp, i can't remember the excat speakers. I was only like 14/15 then. they were playing it at the hi fi show back then. playing a track name guamtanamela. it sounds like heaven. I listen to all types of music, i tend to listen to what the set up excel in. I personally prefer pairing goldmund with wilson's speakers. I guess is down to personal preference for everything.

francis bro. heard goldmund integrated + Sf cremona M at HER.
I can tell u its very special. very musically. specially the voice and ambient.. like live venue.
if u listen to jazz, vocals, soft rock. no horse run. .. I heard so many systems like diff bros hses and showrooms. many emphasis on clear and transparent , dynamics. like bongteo or strike 55 place or some gd showroom.

but i can tell u this combination really no horse run, like live venue. a lot of ppl in HK actuallly get goldmund to match with Sf. u got to listen..

but maybe ur place could be the ONE and only reference.. i also feel that HER demo for SF is yet to be optimised.
the only trick that used is the YTER speaker cable which is same as SF internal wiring.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: ilovepanerai on February 13, 2011, 10:15
xa30.5 outputs 60watts of class A for 4ohm speaker, goes toA/B mode to 200 watts.

nelson pass actually said in forum that its his best value amp at 5k only. And to think abt it, in small room, a high current amp is adequate for difficult speaker load. i think the concept is like naim.

till today, my brain is still telling me more watts better, not more current.

I have audited briefly the XA 30.5 with the Auditor M, experience beautiful highs and mids, however i wish slightly more tightness/slam in the lows.
The XA60.5 should be better match if you are going for Cremona M and if possible Yter cables too.

Cheers  
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: hmvc on February 13, 2011, 14:44
I would do it another way. Dun focus on power delivery, will cause boom in room. Try replacing the spikes , or put them under fat padz. I removed the base plate and spikes, n place my speaker directly flat on symposium svelte plus platform. The bass becomes tighter N slam slam. Bass is also a function of reducing cabinent resonances and build. If u fill the stand with sand and put them flat on this platform. Slam dunk, dude. Bass goes deeper, control and faster becos of the platform ability to drain the vibrations more efficiently. Imaging improves especially at high sound volumes due to vibration drainage. Some ppl place 2 kg of a pack of sand inside  n bottom of cabinet to improve. Easy? Just unscrew ur woofer, and screw place. This is one of the most cheap and effective way to improve floorstander vibration. Some manufacturerd place cast iron , some place lead lined, some place heavy base plate.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: hmvc on February 13, 2011, 14:49
My bass is very fast now, definitely helping the dynamics. And Im hearing bass going deeper. Things I never heard before. This platform is solid. Later try to put the speakers on rollerblocks below speaker then on platform.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: hmvc on February 13, 2011, 15:05
I have audited briefly the XA 30.5 with the Auditor M, experience beautiful highs and mids, however i wish slightly more tightness/slam in the ...

if the meter is in the middle and not moving when got bass slam. Then it could be other issues. Sometimes a standmount needs more power than floorstander to move air quicker.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: marduk on February 14, 2011, 14:41
not yet. just went to listen mini dancer 2.. seems like a good proposition. i need to go over to blue star and ur place to listen. listening to more setup let me know what type of sound i like.
I have heard some systems, male voices tend to be less tolerable. but hearing on mini 1, mini 2 and Sfs, the male voice is more tolerable and enjoyable.

feel like buying mini 2 and then mod the cross overs..
trying to spend less monies along the audio path by buying something u enjoy immensely. when u really enjoy, u dun want to change so much. i also dun know last time how i can stick to my nad541cdp, rotel and quad 11l for 5 yrs. nowadays  always change here and there.. very jialat.
You should not be too far wrong with the SF CA M. I have never listen to the M series but the older CA sound is beguiling...slightly more to the romantic side. The treble is sweet and extended but never harsh. Usher might be more vfm but for sheer music enjoyment, the SF could be as good as it gets, not to mention the nice wood work. For this kind of money, you can listen to the Dyn Contour S1.4 and decide whether you prefer the Dyn sound which *might* be closer to the Usher in terms of sonic character. If crunching guitar is your thing, the SF might not suits you. SF is not a speaker you simply listen to. It is a speaker you fall in love with....
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on February 14, 2011, 22:44
My bass is very fast now, definitely helping the dynamics. And Im hearing bass going deeper. Things I never heard before. This platform is solid. Later try to put the speakers on rollerblocks below speaker then on platform.

Cremona M do benefit grreatly from being placed on a heavy, rigid steel spiked platform. I.e double-spiked. As you say, bass is tighther and faster, image is better focused and best of all, the sound is more coherent top to bottom.
Title: Launch of The Sonus faber and Amati futura in Singapore
Post by: Luv4nature on March 11, 2011, 23:47
A great news for all Sonus faber fans in Singapore !!

Just been informed by Highend Research that they will be organizing a session to launch and showcase Sonus faber's flagship S$300K "The Sonus faber" (a.k.a. The Fernice previously) as well as the new Amati futura speakers. Senior management of Sonus faber will also be at the occasion to share more about the company and products.

Date: 19 Mar 2011 (Sat)

Time: 1 to 5pm

Location:  Holiday Inn Atrium Hotel, 317 Outram Road S169075
                 Level 4 Kallang Ballroom


For info, there are only limited 30 pairs of TSF made, it was launched last year in Italy and sent a shock wave to the audio industry. It has only been exhibited in a few places around the world, and we are lucky that a pair has landed in Singapore.

The Sonus faber:

(http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/5937/fotothesonusfaber.jpg)


And the new Amati futura has only just been introduced during this year's CES

Amati futura:

(http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/1948/fotoamatifutura.jpg)

For Sonus faber owners, fans and fellow audiophiles, think it's an event not to be missed!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: vajrasattvasg on March 12, 2011, 00:27
A great news for all Sonus faber fans in Singapore !!

Just been informed by Highend Research that they will be organizing a session to launch and showcase Sonus faber's flagship S$300K "The Sonus faber" (a.k.a. The Fernice previously) as well as the new Amati futura speakers. Senior management of Sonus faber will also be at the occasion to share more about the company and products.

Date: 19 Mar 2011 (Sat)

Time: 1 to 5pm

Location:  Holiday Inn Atrium Hotel, 317 Outram Road S169075
                 Level 4 Kallang Ballroom


For info, there are only limited 30 pairs of TSF made, it was launched last year in Italy and sent a shock wave to the audio industry. It has only been exhibited in a few places around the world, and we are lucky that a pair has landed in Singapore.

The Sonus faber:

(http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/5937/fotothesonusfaber.jpg)


And the new Amati futura has only just been introduced during this years CES

Amati futura:

(http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/1948/fotoamatifutura.jpg)

For Sonus faber owners and fans, think it's an event not to be missed!

do we have to be SF owners to get an invite to the event?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on March 12, 2011, 00:35
Good catch :)

HER indicated event is open to all, so all audiophiles are welcome!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: De mon on March 12, 2011, 07:51
Wah, the new Amati future spk looks impressive..will pop by have a listen. Thanks bro!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on March 12, 2011, 09:14
Review of The Sonus faber in the latest issue HiFi News.

http://www.absolutesounds.com/includes/tng/pub/tNG_download4.php?page=17&KT_download1=346b88a060091869390a6ae3c93a6f70

Anyone wants to buy a pair ??  ;)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on March 18, 2011, 19:11
A great news for all Sonus faber fans in Singapore !!

Just been informed by Highend Research that they will be organizing a session to launch and showcase Sonus faber's flagship S$300K "The Sonus faber" (a.k.a. The Fernice previously) as well as the new Amati futura speakers. Senior management of Sonus faber will also be at the occasion to share more about the company and products.

Date: 19 Mar 2011 (Sat)

Time: 1 to 5pm

Location:  Holiday Inn Atrium Hotel, 317 Outram Road S169075
                 Level 4 Kallang Ballroom


For info, there are only limited 30 pairs of TSF made, it was launched last year in Italy and sent a shock wave to the audio industry. It has only been exhibited in a few places around the world, and we are lucky that a pair has landed in Singapore.

The Sonus faber:

(http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/5937/fotothesonusfaber.jpg)


And the new Amati futura has only just been introduced during this year's CES

Amati futura:

(http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/1948/fotoamatifutura.jpg)

For Sonus faber owners, fans and fellow audiophiles, think it's an event not to be missed!

Who is going to tomorrow's event? Barring last minute changes, I will be there
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on March 18, 2011, 20:55
See you guys there :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: larevoj on March 19, 2011, 00:33
Folks, while surfing the net I saw this interesting system recommendation from a dealer in Houston, Taxes. Its seems Bryston is a preferred match for Sonus Faber versus Audio Research, Krell, Anthem and McIntosh this dealer represents.   :)

 http://www.soundworldaudio.com/Recommended_Systems.html (http://www.soundworldaudio.com/Recommended_Systems.html)

Sonus Faber Amati & Krell Evolution System
Sonus Faber Amati Floor-standing Speaker
Krell Evolution 202 preamplifier
Krell Evolution 600 monoaural amplifier
Krell Evolution 505 CD/SACD player System
Price: $89,500
Upgrade Options: Esoteric P05 Transport and D05 Dual Digital-Analog-Converter. 

Sonus Faber Elipsa & Krell Evolution System
Sonus Faber Cremona Elipsa Floor-standing Speakers
Krell Evolution 202 Preamplifier
Krell Evolution 402 Amplifier
Krell Evolution 505 SACD/CD Player
System Price: $63,800
Upgrade Options: Krell Evolution 600 Monoblock Power Amplifier, Esoteric P05 Transport and D05 Dual Digital-Analog-Converter. 

Sonus Faber Cremona M System
Sonus Faber Cremona M Floor-standing Speakers
Bryston, BP-26 Preamplifier
Bryston 4B-SST2 Power Amplifier
Bryston BCD-1 CD Player
System Price: $23,945
Upgrade Options: REL Subwoofer, Bryston 7B-SST2 Monoblock Amplifier, Esoteric SA-50 CD/SACD  Player. 

Sonus Faber Auditor M System
Sonus Faber Auditor M Bookshelf Speakers with Matching Stands
Audio Research VSi60 Tube Integrated Amplifier
Arcam CD-37 SACD/CD Player
System Price: $13,300
Upgrade Options: REL Subwoofer, Bryston BCD-1 CD Player, Esoteric SA-50 CD/SACD Player, Bryston  BP-26 Preamplifier and 4B-SST2 Amplifier 

Sonus Faber Luito System
Sonus Faber Luito Floor-standing Speakers
Audio Research Vi60, Integrated Tube Amp
Bryston BCD-1 CD Player
System Price: $12,695
Upgrade Options: REL Subwoofer, Bryston BP-26 Preamplifier and 4B-SST2 Amplifier 

Sonus Faber Toy Tower System
Sonus Faber Toy Tower Floor-standing Speakers
Krell 300i Integrated Amp
Rega Apollo CD Player or Arcam CD17 CD Player
System Price: $6,250
Upgrade Options: REL Subwoofer, Bryston BP-26 Preamplifier and 4B-SST2 Amplifier 

Paradigm Signature Systems
Paradigm Signature S8, or S6 Speakers
Bryston BP-26 Preamplifier
Bryston 4B-SST2 Amplifier
Bryston BCD-1 CD Player
System Price: $17,740 Signature S8 $15,700 Signature S6           
Upgrade Options: Paradigm Signature Sub 25 Subwoofer, Esoteric SA-50 SACD/CD Player
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Quest on March 19, 2011, 09:28
well, think luv4nature pairs his with krell.. :)
maybe see u guys there. might be going around 3-4pm.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on March 19, 2011, 21:51
Some pixs taken at the Sonus Faber launch this afternoon at Holiday Inn hotel.  Sorry for the high noise due to pixs taken from a compact camera.

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%202011/DSCN8092.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%202011/DSCN8093.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%202011/DSCN8090.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%202011/DSCN8098.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%202011/DSCN8102.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%202011/DSCN8093.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%202011/DSCN8095.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%202011/DSCN8108-1.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%202011/DSCN8112.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%202011/DSCN8110.jpg)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: deaf.eye on March 20, 2011, 16:52
Forgive my ignorance, why does HER use a Wadia as a source?
Doesn't it have similar quality CDPs from it own house?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: francishuang on March 20, 2011, 17:13
the same grp that bought sonus faber, audio research, had bought over wadia not long ago.being the agent for that company products, maybe HER are showing their new offerings
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: deaf.eye on March 20, 2011, 17:29
the same grp that bought sonus faber, audio research, had bought over wadia not long ago.being the agent for that company products, maybe HER are showing their new offerings

OIC, 谢谢 for the info! ;)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: hotbird on March 20, 2011, 17:32
the same grp that bought sonus faber, audio research, had bought over wadia not long ago.being the agent for that company products, maybe HER are showing their new offerings

Fine Sounds Spa which owns the high-end Sonus Faber and Audio Research brands Buys Wadia (http://www.twice.com/article/461571-Fine_Sounds_Buys_Wadia.php)

And SF and AR are HER's inhouse brands, so not sure if Absolute Sound has to say bye-bye to Wadia soon or not, as they are still
the local Wadia distributor here.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on March 20, 2011, 17:45
According to HER, they will be distributing Wadia.  This is good news for some folks who are regular customers of HER who always wanted to own Wadia at a more reasonable price.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: francishuang on March 20, 2011, 20:51
yup, gd news indeed

According to HER, they will be distributing Wadia.  This is good news for some folks who are regular customers of HER who always wanted to own Wadia at a more reasonable price.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: larevoj on April 05, 2011, 15:24
Guys, I just got my Auditor M yesterday and has finally positioned the speakers in place.  :)

To my surprise it fit nicely the same spot where I used to have my Focus 110 with only 1.7m apart and it performed the best with a slight tilt towards the listening position. A comparison with Focus 110 will not be fair and I never had the pleasure of having C1 in my room either.

I love accuracy, tautness, ample highs - in short transparency. In my head I would have gone with Dynaudio, PMC, ATC, etc. but never Sonus Faber. I have auditioned the Auditor M about two years back but didn't like what I heard because it was a little too warm with PassLabs (its a great amp though). It sounds musical but not accurate or rather a little too colored to my liking.

So what happened??

I have been wanting to upgrade my speakers and I did some home work on drivers characteristics of various speakers brands. I also factor in the current set-up plus limitations I have and visited many places with different set-ups and speakers. Along the way I also learned what is accurate and what is musical to me. In the end there are only few options on hand and I carefully audition them all. The Sonus Faber Cremona Auditor M was an unlikely choice in my list but I revisited this pair of speakers anyway and research deeper into it...cut the chase I took the plunge - much like getting married all over again.  :)

Honestly I didn't know what to expect out of this pair of SF in my room, integration with my electronics, etc. The purchase was against all odds and logical (head) choice (though informed). In the end it did not disappoint  ;D It is absolutely musical. The speakers simply disappear (graphite color does a disappearance act better too) and does not draw any attention to itself. It has only about 5 hours of run-in but I love every note from it. Its sensational!!

Truly an instrument inspired by music.

(http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx240/larevoj/Audiophile/IMG_4929-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on April 05, 2011, 20:58
Hi larevoj,

Glad you took the plunge, and thanks for sharing your experience.

Quite a number of audiophiles have the misconception that Sonus faber speakers wins only on looks, however, they are among the top notches in musical reproduction too. Among the various models offered by Sonus faber, feel that the final range released just before Franco Serblin left are the best. This includes the Cremona auditor M as well. These "final range" carry very good blend of the Sonus faber romance with modern clarity.

Unlike many other speaker makes, Sonus faber speakers normally present music in a pretty wholesome manner, they do not impress with the most vivid highs or the deepest LF, but convey much emotion, fluidity and charm that captivate the listeners. Very much like how top renowned musicians would draw audience into their music with magical touches, and not just with technical excellence.

Now, your CAM is not complete without Yter cables, and the Yter cables are not the best without special burn-ins :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: jimi on April 05, 2011, 22:05
Special burn ins? Do share more :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: larevoj on April 05, 2011, 22:17
Now, your CAM is not complete without Yter cables, and the Yter cables are not the best without special burn-ins :)

Thanks...CAM?? "special burn-ins"??
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: wyred on April 05, 2011, 22:44

lemme guess... CAM = Cremona Auditor M

Thanks...CAM?? "special burn-ins"??
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: limpid on April 05, 2011, 23:19
Just put in deposit for Amati Futura... Still wondering whether to get Red Violin or Glossy Graphite finish. What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: alan on April 05, 2011, 23:46
Hi larevoj I noticed you are using bryston eletronics with your Sonus faber Cremona Auditor M. How it this combo's synergy compared with the audio research or goldmund stuff over at HER?

Btw limpid, how much are the futura?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: larevoj on April 05, 2011, 23:58
lemme guess... CAM = Cremona Auditor M

Wah... cryptic man. :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on April 06, 2011, 00:14
Special burn ins? Do share more :)

Done with audiodharma cable cooker.

Mr ilovepanerai would also be able to share the transformation of Yter cables done with the audiodharma :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on April 06, 2011, 00:17
Just put in deposit for Amati Futura... Still wondering whether to get Red Violin or Glossy Graphite finish. What do you guys think?

Ok, that's one foot into the world of Sonus faber :)

The Amati futura is a new generation Sonus faber (both looks and sound).
Glossy black gives the most contrast with the mirror finish metal trims and has a futuristic appearance, while Red has a classic look and stands out more on its own.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on April 06, 2011, 00:26
Wah... cryptic man. :)

Saw your nice photographs posted in another thread.
http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=92967.msg655375#msg655375

Should consider posting them here to add to our image collection under this thread :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: larevoj on April 06, 2011, 00:51
Saw your nice photographs posted in another thread.

Should consider posting them here to add to our image collection under this thread :)

Sure!  :)

(http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx240/larevoj/Audiophile/IMG_4936-1.jpg)

Just put in deposit for Amati Futura... Still wondering whether to get Red Violin or Glossy Graphite finish. What do you guys think?

Congrats!! I think both looks great!!  :D

I would still go graphite though - it does looks more current and it does a better disappearing act when lights are dimmed.  8) ...hope we are welcome for a home audition  ;)

Hi larevoj I noticed you are using bryston eletronics with your Sonus faber Cremona Auditor M. How it this combo's synergy compared with the audio research or goldmund stuff over at HER?

This is a tough question to answer. I auditioned the CAM with only solid state Passlabs and Goldmund. I prefer the sound from Goldmund over Passlabs - its rounder but not overly warm sounding. My taste is leaning more towards neutral side of warm and transparency which is why I find the combination of Bryston + CAM will suit me more. Its hard to put it in words...if you are seriously hunting for electronics feel free to pop over for a listen and see if its what you are after :)


Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on April 06, 2011, 06:58
Hi larevoj I noticed you are using bryston eletronics with your Sonus faber Cremona Auditor M. How it this combo's synergy compared with the audio research or goldmund stuff over at HER?

I am using Cremona M with Audio Research pre and Goldmund power. Plenty of synergy with superb rhythmic drive. Good timbre and harmonics. On warm side of neutral.  I drive them with an analog front end. PM me if you would like to listen to this combination.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: alan on April 06, 2011, 08:13
Thank you larevoj and blue starfish for the generous offer. I will certainly look for you all if I am keen to have a listen.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: larevoj on April 06, 2011, 08:27
I am using Cremona M with Audio Research pre and Goldmund power. Plenty of synergy with superb rhythmic drive. Good timbre and harmonics. On warm side of neutral.  I drive them with an analog front end. PM me if you would like to listen to this combination.

Sir, that's a very cool match!

Can I tag along?? I would love to have a listen to your analog front end  ;D I am enticed by it...ever since when I was a 5 year old boy my dad will spin vinyl over the weekend - he probably still has some very old vinyl back home. It will be a treat...  :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: ilovepanerai on April 06, 2011, 14:45
Done with audiodharma cable cooker.

Mr ilovepanerai would also be able to share the transformation of Yter cables done with the audiodharma :)

Thanks to L4N on the intro, the accelerated burn in certainly helps in a big way. Initially just after the process, the cables sounds slightly dull, but upon using for few hours, the sound opens and extended better than previously...mids also exceeded beyond my expectation, in a nice way, and coherent across the whole spectrum is the quality i hear after the process.

Strongly recommend going this direction if the cables are solid core and also if user looking to maximising the performance of cables they are using.
IMO, I believe usual slow natural burning in process will be difficult to take it to this level of performance unless over really a long long period of time of using.
To me, time is of essence enjoying the best performance of the equipments at the point of owning them.

Cheers
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: larevoj on April 06, 2011, 17:15
Its about to rain now and I happen to be listening to Stormy Weather by Ben Webster...I can hear every single details of this track down to the very pin drop, people talking at the background, and the incredibly wide soundstage...*the thunder outside just added to performance*

I have never heard this track played so convincingly in my room...
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: naimster on April 06, 2011, 18:00
Its about to rain now and I happen to be listening to Stormy Weather by Ben Webster...I can hear every single details of this track down to the very pin drop, people talking at the background, and the incredibly wide soundstage...*the thunder outside just added to performance*

I have never heard this track played so convincingly in my room...
It really looks like your front end had been severely handicapped by the dyns all this while and the CAM is releasing what your front end had been capable of. ;D  Enjoy the music bro. ;)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: larevoj on April 06, 2011, 18:09
Some pixs taken at the Sonus Faber launch this afternoon at Holiday Inn hotel.  Sorry for the high noise due to pixs taken from a compact camera.

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%202011/DSCN8110.jpg)

Erm...out of topic but who is the lady with red bag huh?? I find it real cool that if your partner share the same passion music/audio :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: larevoj on April 06, 2011, 18:17
It really looks like your front end had been severely handicapped by the dyns all this while and the CAM is releasing what your front end had been capable of. ;D  Enjoy the music bro. ;)

Thanks bro...hope it doesn't disappoint your audition next week...*sweating already*  :P

Yes, there are still lots to do on my front end too...fun!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: jmohd on April 06, 2011, 19:28
Its about to rain now and I happen to be listening to Stormy Weather by Ben Webster...I can hear every single details of this track down to the very pin drop, people talking at the background, and the incredibly wide soundstage...*the thunder outside just added to performance*

I have never heard this track played so convincingly in my room...

The way you describe it, i can only imagine..congrats on your new speakers... Pls post some clips/videos in the Youtube and use your nick.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on April 06, 2011, 20:42
Sir, that's a very cool match!

Can I tag along?? I would love to have a listen to your analog front end  ;D I am enticed by it...ever since when I was a 5 year old boy my dad will spin vinyl over the weekend - he probably still has some very old vinyl back home. It will be a treat...  :)

Don't say until like that la. Make me feel like I belong to the same generation as your father, which is probably the case.

Check your PM.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on April 06, 2011, 21:39
Erm...out of topic but who is the lady with red bag huh?? I find it real cool that if your partner share the same passion music/audio :)

I think she's annapurna's mrs.

annapurna, the Strad takes up more space in the photo than her, and also the Strad seems to be in better focus.... you'll be jialat if she finds this out ! :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: larevoj on April 06, 2011, 22:22
The way you describe it, i can only imagine..congrats on your new speakers... Pls post some clips/videos in the Youtube and use your nick.


Thanks.

Wah...youtube ah...neber try before leh.  :)

I have seen and heard hifi set-up from youtube before but it seems unnecessary as the sound recorded and produced isn't what you can actually hear. In another words it can be misleading...but I can take a pic of my set-up ok??
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on April 06, 2011, 22:42
I think she's annapurna's mrs.

annapurna, the Strad takes up more space in the photo than her, and also the Strad seems to be in better focus.... you'll be jialat if she finds this out ! :)

She is my sis-in-law from overseas.  The focus of the pix is the Strad and the pix gave a sense of perspective so that others will roughly know the size of the Amati Futura and Strad.  I used a compact and the focus point was on the speakers, surprising the DOF is a bit shallow and she was Out of Focus.    Btw, my my sis-in law is not an audiophile, hapened that she was free on that day from sightseeing and wishes to tag along.   She somehow enjoyed music from my analog setup as compared to my CD.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: larevoj on April 07, 2011, 09:22
She is my sis-in-law from overseas.  The focus of the pix is the Strad and the pix gave a sense of perspective so that others will roughly know the size of the Amati Futura and Strad.  I used a compact and the focus point was on the speakers, surprising the DOF is a bit shallow and she was Out of Focus.    Btw, my my sis-in law is not an audiophile, hapened that she was free on that day from sightseeing and wishes to tag along.   She somehow enjoyed music from my analog setup as compared to my CD.

Cool...her enjoyment of music is a good start and may someday be an Audiophile! :)

Thanks for the pics and yes...I saw THE speaker in the showroom - it was awesome but I think it needs a MUCH larger room for it to sing.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: larevoj on April 07, 2011, 10:34
ok, this is specially dedicated to jmohd  :)

(http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx240/larevoj/Audiophile/IMG_4947-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: stealth on April 07, 2011, 10:54
Brp larevoj,

Congrates to ur new purchased.

Got pic of the whole setup bo showing the 2 speakers instead of 1 sided. The lamp is a sore in the pic.. :P
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: larevoj on April 07, 2011, 13:19
Brp larevoj,

Congrates to ur new purchased.

Got pic of the whole setup bo showing the 2 speakers instead of 1 sided. The lamp is a sore in the pic.. :P

Thanks!  ;D

Again...thanks for inviting me to your place to audition the C1 - it has been a long journey and you have been part of it. Btw, the signature version looks very promising :)

Yah, I have been trying to find the lighting you have!! The lamp is a temporary one (or it may just turns out permanent - don't know yet) and I did try to get both speakers into the same shot but my space is too cramp to fill both into the same shot so boh bian...

Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: edoit on April 07, 2011, 19:46
Hi all,

Looking for a tube integrated amp to pair with SF cremona auditor M. Preferably with Ht bypass/Pre-in for HT integration. Any recommendations?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: larevoj on April 07, 2011, 21:02
Hi all,

Looking for a tube integrated amp to pair with SF cremona auditor M. Preferably with Ht bypass/Pre-in for HT integration. Any recommendations?

Cary maybe a good option??
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: naimster on April 07, 2011, 21:07
Jadis? Still remembered how good the Guarneri sounded at annapurna's 10 yrs ago. ;)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on April 07, 2011, 21:20
Octave from X-Audio
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on April 07, 2011, 21:41
Jadis? Still remembered how good the Guarneri sounded at annapurna's 10 yrs ago. ;)

Hi Naimster, I still miss the Guarneri after so many years.   It does not have the low end and detail of my current speakers but it is very musical and seductive.  Somehow, Jadis amps match well with Sonus Faber, even the integrated Orchestra Reference.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: larevoj on April 07, 2011, 22:44
Jadis? Still remembered how good the Guarneri sounded at annapurna's 10 yrs ago. ;)

Jadis....nice.... :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on April 07, 2011, 23:07
Guarneri homage mated with Jadis would really provide somemagical moments  ;)

Those were some of the golden era, nowadays such sound and combo are rather hard to come by.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: larevoj on April 08, 2011, 08:57
Guys, how long does it takes to run in the CAM??

I already loving it before having run-in!!  :D

What are the changes after run-in? Seriously thinking of Boston Tuneblocks...what other options??
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: naimster on April 08, 2011, 10:13
Usually it's the main driver that takes a longer time. The tweets doesn't take very long to run in.
I would not do anything until it's fully run in. After run in, typically the bass lines would be clearer, deeper, more relaxed and yet more defined. 200 hrs would be a safe number.
Guys, how long does it takes to run in the CAM??

I already loving it before having run-in!!  :D

What are the changes after run-in? Seriously thinking of Boston Tuneblocks...what other options??
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on April 08, 2011, 11:49
Guys, how long does it takes to run in the CAM??

I already loving it before having run-in!!  :D

What are the changes after run-in? Seriously thinking of Boston Tuneblocks...what other options??
About 200 to 300 hrs before it stabilizes, after that it'll still continue to settle in gradually over years to come (that's why a 10 year old guarneri or amati is like a vintage wine).

You may want to go ahead to get the boston audio design tuneblock s, proven to work with all Sonus faber spks that I've seen, especially so that you're sitting them on parquet flooring. The immediate improvemens are better depth, imaging and bass grip, and doing so without killing all the beautiful sonic aspects of the speakers. Can get the tuneplates as well to be used under the tuneblock s if you're willing to spend, you'll get more of the above benefits.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: larevoj on April 08, 2011, 13:27
Usually it's the main driver that takes a longer time. The tweets doesn't take very long to run in.
I would not do anything until it's fully run in. After run in, typically the bass lines would be clearer, deeper, more relaxed and yet more defined. 200 hrs would be a safe number.

200 hours!!!  ???

Thanks for the heads-up meanwhile I will try not to pump in all my 500 watts at once!!  ;D

Btw, I was listening to a number of tracks in all genre and I noticed several interesting areas:

1) Soundstage is very wide and each instruments are larger and more defined
2) The centre stage is higher meaning the vocals are about usual human height level - I find this a very big plus and add to a level of realism as you lounge back, relax and listen
3) The highs are very refine, sweet and airy - this is no easy feat
4) The bass surprisingly goes very deep and lean on the warm side of accuracy - however I think this can further improve with some adjustments after 200 hours of run in.
5) You don't have to push the volume high for it to open up which meant it sounds balance from low to high volume

Overall its a positive forward and worth while upgrade I feel. Talking about soundstage I recall reading in a magazine I have years ago with similar views so I went searching for it (it was buried in a pile of mags for more than 2 years at my toilet reading corner!) to have a read. The reviewer findings are almost similar to mine and is an interesting read so I scanned copy here for your reading pleasure :)

(http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx240/larevoj/Audiophile/IMG1.jpg)

A number of folks PM me asking how it sound with my Bryston. I am not sure how to describe and its a rare combination I think. Though recently I have seen some folks in other forum such as Audio Aficionado with such system pairing too. I guess electronics are individual preference to mix & match so to achieve the desired sound - so there isn't really right or wrong match but what you are after. For me I prefer accuracy from source to amplification but leaning a little to the warm side of neutral therefore I find the CAM is a great match for my taste.

I also found an article on my set-up so here you go for those who are keen to read...cheers!  :)

(http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx240/larevoj/Audiophile/IMG.jpg)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: hmvc on April 08, 2011, 16:58

A number of folks PM me asking how it sound with my Bryston. I am not sure how to describe and its a rare combination I think. Though recently I have seen some folks in other forum such as Audio Aficionado with such system pairing too. I guess electronics are individual preference to mix & match so to achieve the desired sound - so there isn't really right or wrong match but what you are after. For me I prefer accuracy from source to amplification but leaning a little to the warm side of neutral therefore I find the CAM is a great match for my taste.

I also found an article on my set-up so here you go for those who are keen to read...cheers!  :)

(http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx240/larevoj/Audiophile/IMG.jpg)

according to luv4nature previous forum notes, he has warned us to stick to SF thread agenda. He has warned us not to mention anything not related to SF. Bro., careful
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: larevoj on April 08, 2011, 17:11
My bad, was just sharing for the benefit of everyone.   :-X

Feel free to delete/omit...to me its all for fun, enjoyment, a hobby and music pleasure  ;D

Enjoy your weekend folks!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on April 08, 2011, 19:07
according to luv4nature previous forum notes, he has warned us to stick to SF thread agenda. He has warned us not to mention anything not related to SF. Bro., careful

How so?...

If discussion is about matching of xx amplifier driving Sf speakers, it's surely relevant. Of course, each individual would hold quite different opinion about what's the best matching amp for their Sf speakers. As long as discussion and exchanges are constructive and friendly, there's nothing wrong about it.

If topic starts to drift towards talking detail and prices of usher, or B&W or others speakers, surely it doesn't seem quite fit under the Sonus faber speaker thread. E.g., would not get carried away talking blah blah blah about Sonus faber under the Dynaudio thread, or any other dedicated speaker threads for that matter.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: larevoj on April 08, 2011, 19:19
*phew* 

Sensible, constructive, and beneficial contribution *thumbs up*  :)

-> Still running in as I type...  8)

 
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on April 08, 2011, 21:38
The run-in hours can be shortened if you make it a point to play "vigorous" music which make the woofer pump, to loosen the rubber surrounds.

I got my Cremona M stable in about 100 hours using healthy doses of such music. And the Cremona M have 2 woofers on each side. Line up a staple of 1812 Overture, Straussfest, Jurassic Park and other heavy percussions.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: naimster on April 08, 2011, 22:19
I feel its better to use a wide repertoire of music to have even burn in across all frequencies. Or better still use proper burn in tracks but those are unlistenable. ;D

Anyway, 200 hrs is nothing compared to my ATC.... Took me 500 hrs to fully burn in and that's a freaking yr averaging 10hrs music per week.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: larevoj on April 09, 2011, 00:53
Anyway, 200 hrs is nothing compared to my ATC.... Took me 500 hrs to fully burn in and that's a freaking yr averaging 10hrs music per week.

Bro, thanksGod you got a pair of resale SCM20SLT, fully run-in for you and yet at fantastic price!! I will die if its a year!! :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: xerox on April 09, 2011, 10:06
Pair my CAM with all Naim setup, Fantastic. :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: larevoj on April 09, 2011, 18:23
Guys, while surfing in AA I saw this setup and thought it looks awesome!  ;D

Take a look at the glowing tubes...BBQ chicken anyone?

(http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx240/larevoj/Audiophile/left.jpg)
(http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx240/larevoj/Audiophile/night2.jpg)
(http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx240/larevoj/Audiophile/b0185744_8422655.jpg)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: jimi on April 09, 2011, 19:57
Heh heh! No need for a light in that room, got several light bulbs on already.

Can't help feeling that it might sound alot better away from that front wall though! Do they sound good there?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: larevoj on April 09, 2011, 20:23
Wait till you see this...I was like...OMG!  :o

(http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx240/larevoj/Audiophile/DSC_2510.jpg)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: naimster on April 09, 2011, 20:36
OMG...it's like all the mcintosh models ever made!

On a side note, people always say one need some good tube amps to bring the magic in the old SF series. Wonder how many SF thinks this is the case and if it also applies to the new series. To my ears the new series seemed equally a home with SS and tubes but there does seem to be some truth in the old series based on what I heard. What's your take?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: larevoj on April 09, 2011, 21:15
Can't really comment on that.

However, I love the SS amp I paired with my CAM. I recalled auditioning the CAM with Passlabs Int 150 but didn't quite like it. Now I think Passlabs is a legendary amplifier and I am sure some may love this combination. I think the Goldmund is a pretty good match for the CAM too.  :)

Haven't really heard tubes with SF but I current SF models seems to love lots of current.  :P
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on April 10, 2011, 14:20

On a side note, people always say one need some good tube amps to bring the magic in the old SF series. Wonder how many SF thinks this is the case and if it also applies to the new series. To my ears the new series seemed equally a home with SS and tubes but there does seem to be some truth in the old series based on what I heard. What's your take?


One way to look at it is that between SS and tube amps users there's a pretty distinctive preference and expectation in sound presentation. With the earlier range Sf speakers (Guarneri hommage, Amator series etc.), tube amp users are able to obtain lush and rich voices from their Sf speakers, while some SS amp users, who usually expect more dynamic, clinical and tight punchy sound, may not be able to get most of what they expect from their Sf speakers. And then there are those who are seeking an overall romantic and passionate sound package without the highest demand in LF control and extension, live perfectly with their Sf driven by SS amps.

The newer ranges (excl TSF & Amati futura) now offer a more dynamic sound package without giving up too much of the reminiscence sound, so it's able to draw additional SS amp users and yet still pretty much retain most of the tube amp users' expectations.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: larevoj on April 13, 2011, 16:55
Today I pop by to HER to audition The Sonus Faber.

Its an amazing pair of speakers and I was quite speechless after 1 min into a random track from itunes. I sat there for awhile and decided its enough - I need to come back to earth, erase what I heard and be happy with CAM.  ;)

I actually wanted to purchase Yter speaker cables for a try and end up having a long chat with Philip about my set-up. While talking about speakers placement, room interaction, etc...Philip without hesitation took his car keys, drove over to my place, and help squeeze every ounce from my set-up, equipment and speakers. Talk about spontaneous customer service!! *thumbs up*

He came, listen to my set-up, walk around the room to hear how the system interacts with room, played a number of tracks and started adjusting the speakers. He adjusted the tilt, readjust the torque to baseplate, uses 6 coins to couple the speakers to stands, adjusted the toe-in, and so on. I just sat at the corner watching him going back and forth from the listening chair.

In less than half an hour later my system sound completely dialed in!!  I was utterly impressed by the "magic" touch he has. He could have sold me cables, accessories, etc. but he believe in pushing the set-up to its max before any upgrades or purchase of accessories are necessary. All in all I only spent 6 US cents (copper coins) to couple the speakers. He didn't charge me a single penny for his service and he usually only do house call for customer with Homage collection.

Great speakers with superlative customer service...

PS: He doesn't visit this site and this testimony was not prompted by him either.  :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: sventan on April 14, 2011, 03:34
Hi guys...may I know CAM(new)still avail? Or only avail in 2nd hand market?
Btw...will my 35W pushpull(EL34B x4) able to drive it?

Thx&Rgds
 
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: larevoj on April 15, 2011, 08:47
Hi guys...may I know CAM(new)still avail? Or only avail in 2nd hand market?

Btw...will my 35W pushpull(EL34B x4) able to drive it?

Thx&Rgds

sventan, if you are referring to the Cremona Auditor M which is the new model it is available at HER but if you are after the previous model that is Cremona Auditor you will need to look at the used market.

SF recommends 40 to 150W without clipping so 35W maybe on the lean side:

http://www.sonusfaber.com/en/databank/cremona/scheda_tecnica/auditor_m.pdf (http://www.sonusfaber.com/en/databank/cremona/scheda_tecnica/auditor_m.pdf)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: VUE on April 15, 2011, 14:30
Hi guys, have a quick question. Im looking for a floorstander, what u guys think of grand piano home for stereo listening? Im using 2 X Rega exon power amps. Thanks.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on April 15, 2011, 19:23
A used gph is a good (value for money) entry point into the Sonus faber. The gph, even though a floorstander, does not require loads of power to drive, something like your Rega pwr amp shld be sufficient.

Note the gph was Sf's first attempt to make floorstanders to cater to both stereo and HT requirements, as a result, it is less musical sounding but slightly tighter bass control and placement friendly as compared with the original concerto grand piano. In any case, the solid walnut side panels and the overall workmanship makes it an extremely good value proposition.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on April 15, 2011, 19:29
Today I pop by to HER to audition The Sonus Faber.

Its an amazing pair of speakers and I was quite speechless after 1 min into a random track from itunes. I sat there for awhile and decided its enough - I need to come back to earth, erase what I heard and be happy with CAM.  ;)

I actually wanted to purchase Yter speaker cables for a try and end up having a long chat with Philip about my set-up. While talking about speakers placement, room interaction, etc...Philip without hesitation took his car keys, drove over to my place, and help squeeze every ounce from my set-up, equipment and speakers. Talk about spontaneous customer service!! *thumbs up*

He came, listen to my set-up, walk around the room to hear how the system interacts with room, played a number of tracks and started adjusting the speakers. He adjusted the tilt, readjust the torque to baseplate, uses 6 coins to couple the speakers to stands, adjusted the toe-in, and so on. I just sat at the corner watching him going back and forth from the listening chair.

In less than half an hour later my system sound completely dialed in!!  I was utterly impressed by the "magic" touch he has. He could have sold me cables, accessories, etc. but he believe in pushing the set-up to its max before any upgrades or purchase of accessories are necessary. All in all I only spent 6 US cents (copper coins) to couple the speakers. He didn't charge me a single penny for his service and he usually only do house call for customer with Homage collection.

Great speakers with superlative customer service...

PS: He doesn't visit this site and this testimony was not prompted by him either.  :)

Good feedback! Nice of Philip to demonstrate such level of service.
He may also prompt you to try out one of their goldmund amps sometime in the future :) (just speculating for the fun of it)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: fengshenwee on April 15, 2011, 19:34
Today I pop by to HER to audition The Sonus Faber.

Its an amazing pair of speakers and I was quite speechless after 1 min into a random track from itunes. I sat there for awhile and decided its enough - I need to come back to earth, erase what I heard and be happy with CAM.  ;)

I actually wanted to purchase Yter speaker cables for a try and end up having a long chat with Philip about my set-up. While talking about speakers placement, room interaction, etc...Philip without hesitation took his car keys, drove over to my place, and help squeeze every ounce from my set-up, equipment and speakers. Talk about spontaneous customer service!! *thumbs up*

He came, listen to my set-up, walk around the room to hear how the system interacts with room, played a number of tracks and started adjusting the speakers. He adjusted the tilt, readjust the torque to baseplate, uses 6 coins to couple the speakers to stands, adjusted the toe-in, and so on. I just sat at the corner watching him going back and forth from the listening chair.

In less than half an hour later my system sound completely dialed in!!  I was utterly impressed by the "magic" touch he has. He could have sold me cables, accessories, etc. but he believe in pushing the set-up to its max before any upgrades or purchase of accessories are necessary. All in all I only spent 6 US cents (copper coins) to couple the speakers. He didn't charge me a single penny for his service and he usually only do house call for customer with Homage collection.

Great speakers with superlative customer service...

PS: He doesn't visit this site and this testimony was not prompted by him either.  :)

Can show pictures on wat he did?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: larevoj on April 15, 2011, 23:28
Can show pictures on wat he did?

Actually he basically placed 3 coins under each speaker to couple with the stands. I am not sure where exactly the coins are located but I know its in there. I didn't take any pictures while he was making all various adjustments (on hindsight I should have!). The stands are now bolted to the speakers, positioned in a specific angle, etc. so I didn't bother dismantling it...
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: sventan on April 15, 2011, 23:46
Thx bro larevoj for e info & opinion.

Guess mayb I shall get its smaller brother concertino or concerto...
...or even gph floorstand...

Cheers!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: larevoj on April 16, 2011, 09:45
Thx bro larevoj for e info & opinion.

Guess mayb I shall get its smaller brother concertino or concerto...
...or even gph floorstand...

Cheers!

You are most welcome...perhaps the best is to bring your amp to the showroom and have a comparison with the SS amps they have. This will give you a very good idea which speaker is ideal for your amp - esp if you are playing in a small room a big amp may not be necessary.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: larevoj on April 16, 2011, 10:14
Guys, for those whom are keen to take a look at the drivers in CAM, connecting wires and workmanship in soldering  ;D

(http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx240/larevoj/Audiophile/max_sonusfaber_auditorm_05.jpg)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: synthesis on April 16, 2011, 19:53
Scanspeak woofer and Vifa tweeter.  ;)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: naimster on April 16, 2011, 20:30
Scanspeak woofer and Vifa tweeter.  ;)
I thought CAM is scan speak ring radiator tweeter?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: synthesis on April 16, 2011, 20:45
I thought CAM is scan speak ring radiator tweeter?


From the front it looks like Scanspeak top of the line R2904/7000 but the magnet structure indicates Vifa tweeter, just like the older Cremona. But then it doesn't matter as long as it can give the sound that you want.  ;)

Vifa
(http://www.rumoh.nl/1366-1171-large/vifa-xt25bg-6004.jpg)

Scanspeak
(https://www.madisound.com/store/images/madisound/product/R2904_700000.jpg)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: vajrasattvasg on April 16, 2011, 21:26
not a modified R2604/8330? or could it just be a custom sonus faber XT25SG61-04 from vifa.. hmmm

the tweeter's faceplate has a curved cut into the bottom part to align it above the woofer
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: larevoj on April 16, 2011, 21:48
That is true and as mentioned in this review :)

http://hometheaterreview.com/sonus-faber-cremona-loudspeaker-reviewed/ (http://hometheaterreview.com/sonus-faber-cremona-loudspeaker-reviewed/)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: larevoj on April 16, 2011, 23:05
That is true and as mentioned in this review :)

http://hometheaterreview.com/sonus-faber-cremona-loudspeaker-reviewed/ (http://hometheaterreview.com/sonus-faber-cremona-loudspeaker-reviewed/)
not a modified R2604/8330? or could it just be a custom sonus faber XT25SG61-04 from vifa.. hmmm

the tweeter's faceplate has a curved cut into the bottom part to align it above the woofer

Bro, you maybe right...

https://www.madisound.com/store/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=148&products_id=8955 (https://www.madisound.com/store/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=148&products_id=8955)

It is confusing...its not a standard/stock tweeter and I know it has been heavily modified for SF though...  :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: naimster on April 17, 2011, 00:10
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/multi-way/156906-scan-speak-r2604-vs-vifa-xt25.html
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: vajrasattvasg on April 17, 2011, 03:52
Bro, you maybe right...

https://www.madisound.com/store/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=148&products_id=8955 (https://www.madisound.com/store/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=148&products_id=8955)

It is confusing...its not a standard/stock tweeter and I know it has been heavily modified for SF though...  :)


doesnt matter too much as long as it sounds good :P i guess sonus faber did some modifications or some special order that is why there the SF brand on the tweeter sticker

 its just us picky pedantic diy-ers whom are excited over these details, seems that the scanspeak R2604 and the vifa xt25 looks quite identical in design and specs, but a detailed look into the impedance plot and the freq response/spl plot.. the scanspeak is slightly better :D

did you open your SF just to take that picture? i hope not :P its nice to see that SF solders the cables instead of using some lugs and mechanical connectors
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: larevoj on April 17, 2011, 09:47
hahaha...actually my first reaction was what?!??! Cheapo Vifa tweeter ah!!! Wah rao eh...My only consolation is it doesn't sound as cheap! LOL!!!

What is more amusing I thought to myself was how did Sonus Faber did it without top of the range driver from Scanspeak? Given a choice every one would have chosen the best and most expensive parts to work with but it not necessarily equates to a good design or sound one would preferred.  I guess it comes down to the sound that appeals to me and you.  :)

I did thought about opening up and take a look but didn't go wild about it. I just saw this pic online so thought folks might be interested to see whats in the CAM. Everyday I am discovering something new about the CAM and I like most about is its ability to deliver music without any fatigue. I use a RadioShack digital sound meter to measure and was quite surprise that I can enjoy my music at much louder volume now.

Enjoy your weekend! :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: naimster on April 17, 2011, 10:42
Cabinets make up like easily 50% of costs for the more expensive speaker. so they could certainly put in the best drivers available to them without charging a lot more and tweak it to sound even better  but since this is not their top of the line models, they won't do it else the product differentiation btw the models will not be there.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: naimster on April 17, 2011, 12:35
Just to state my earlier posts is purely on parts cost breakdown, not on how much markup for the speakers.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: larevoj on April 17, 2011, 15:07
Since we are in this topic...I think European labor structure will play a big (if not biggest) part in production cost. An example is my Dynaudio Focus 110 which the terminals weren't soldered. But who is to say its not performing or the sound degrade significantly with or without the solder?? Perhaps its a decision made to voice it a certain way or it may just be cost savings as it is a labor intensive function?

Yes...if we start looking at it at the micro level I think we may beat ourselves to death!! LOL!!  :D
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: synthesis on April 17, 2011, 22:45
I sold floorstander using Vifa XT25 and 7" Scanspeak Revelator for 1.6k to another forum member and still make some pocket money. I guess my labor is waay too cheap.. lol...  :D
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: larevoj on April 18, 2011, 08:36
I sold floorstander using Vifa XT25 and 7" Scanspeak Revelator for 1.6k to another forum member and still make some pocket money. I guess my labor is waay too cheap.. lol...  :D

LOL!!

Bro, let's be honest...labor is not the only component in consideration unless you are suggesting a DYI speaker sound exactly the same as a SF.   ;)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: synthesis on April 18, 2011, 13:15
Different presentation is likely but some basic characteristics can be the same. Btw, why did you deregister from XP?

Ok enough OT, go back to SF discussion.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on April 18, 2011, 17:05
ok...this is larevoj revive!  :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: jimi on April 18, 2011, 20:49
ok...this is larevoj revive!  :)


Welcome back but why the FrancisWoo-esque reappearance? ???
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on April 18, 2011, 21:22
huh, who??

Actually was editing the signature and ends up deleting the profile...for folks whom wonder how and why. Don't think too deep...just decided to delete and have a new nick that represent better for this hobby.   :D

Mousike is music in Greek...I should have pick Italian since Sonus Faber is from there ;)

Ok - let's get back to topic...its a SF thread!  8)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on April 18, 2011, 22:17
Oops but welcome back !

p.s. even notice the Sonus 'f'aber is a lower case 'f' ?

It gets misrepresented everywhere :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on April 18, 2011, 22:27
LOL!!!  :D

I didn't notice that at all!

Btw, a fellow xtremeplace forummer came over for a listen...he told me he has visited your place and shared a little on your set-up. My jaw dropped upon hearing it...way cool bro Luv4nature  ;)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on April 19, 2011, 12:44
Mmmm... wonder what's so jaw dropping?  ???

Anyway, would be glad to share with you more, on what I know about Sf  ;)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on April 19, 2011, 12:54
Mmmm... wonder what's so jaw dropping?  ???

Anyway, would be glad to share with you more, on what I know about Sf  ;)

Humility is a important trait in this hobby :)

Will PM you...cheers!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on May 04, 2011, 14:24
After running in for sometime now I have decided to push it further and am quite shock at how composed and controlled the CAM is...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Psk9jXIdiy8[/youtube]
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on May 04, 2011, 15:50
After running in for sometime now I have decided to push it further and am quite shock at how composed and controlled the CAM is...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Psk9jXIdiy8[/youtube]

Wow, the woofer excursion looks scary :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on May 04, 2011, 16:03
Wow, the woofer excursion looks scary :)

Haha... ;D

Yes, it does and my floor was vibrating!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: tky on May 04, 2011, 17:22
Scary... you're not scare ah?  Later the cone fly out!  300w pushing it leh...  ;D
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on May 04, 2011, 17:32
Scary... you're not scare ah?  Later the cone fly out!  300w pushing it leh...  ;D

hee...actually 500w since CAM is rated at 4 ohms...as long I have sufficient power I doubt its an issue pushing it to the max SPL...

But of course...not too often or at long duration  :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on May 05, 2011, 17:36
Finally, after a 1 day delay, it is here.  Here are some pixs, more will come later  :)
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%20Amati%20Futura/IMG_9992.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%20Amati%20Futura/IMG_9996.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%20Amati%20Futura/IMG_9999.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%20Amati%20Futura/IMG_0001.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%20Amati%20Futura/IMG_0002.jpg)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on May 05, 2011, 17:54
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%20Amati%20Futura/IMG_0006.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%20Amati%20Futura/IMG_0011.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%20Amati%20Futura/IMG_0037.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%20Amati%20Futura/IMG_0071.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%20Amati%20Futura/IMG_0067.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%20Amati%20Futura/IMG_0082.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%20Amati%20Futura/IMG_0077.jpg)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on May 05, 2011, 18:00
Well done mate!

Now run hard to smoothen the babe, and tell us if it sounds like the future (futura) !
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on May 05, 2011, 18:01
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%20Amati%20Futura/IMG_0029.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%20Amati%20Futura/IMG_0063.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%20Amati%20Futura/IMG_0062.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%20Amati%20Futura/IMG_0085.jpg)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: driver on May 05, 2011, 18:29
annapurna,

OMG! that's a beauty!!!

enjoy in good health!!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on May 05, 2011, 21:57
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%20Amati%20Futura/IMG_0085.jpg)

Annapurna...every shot you took on the Amati looks fantastic  :)

Congrats!!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on May 05, 2011, 22:08
Bro, I have scroll up and down a few times and I noticed there are two base plates separated by a thick black spacer. Is the 'spacer' made of some kind of rubber?? Are the spike footers the only fastener securing the two base plates together??

Its an interesting design...  :)


(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%20Amati%20Futura/IMG_0029.jpg)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: naimster on May 05, 2011, 22:16
Very very nice! puts a lot of speakers to shame including mine, looks wise that is.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on May 05, 2011, 22:45
Well done mate!

Now run hard to smoothen the babe, and tell us if it sounds like the future (futura) !

Just did Room Correction using my TACT, sounded much better now compared to earlier when I was using the correction for my previous Kharmas.  Will update once it is run-in. But sound is definitely much bigger in scale compared to Kharma on initial listening.

annapurna,

OMG! that's a beauty!!!

enjoy in good health!!

Thanks, it looks much better in the flesh than in pixs which is difficult to capture using a camera:)

Bro, I have scroll up and down a few times and I noticed there are two base plates separated by a thick black spacer. Is the 'spacer' made of some kind of rubber?? Are the spike footers the only fastener securing the two base plates together??

Its an interesting design...  :)



The rubber is somekind of damper to reduce vibration between the 2 plates.  This is taken from Ultimate Mag website.  "The company's Low Vibration Transmission (LVT) and Tuned Mass Damper (TMD) technologies virtually eliminate mechanical vibration, and the Stealth Reflex port on the back extends the bass while quieting the normally inherent chuffing sound completely."

Very very nice! puts a look of speakers to shame including mine, looks wise that is.

The workmanship is better than my previous Guarneri, that is for sure.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: jimi on May 05, 2011, 23:17
Nice shots, looks like ur quite handy with a DSLR too. Try some wide angle close ups with different perspectives.

How many hours do these take to run in?

I take it this room's permanently out of bounds for ur kids now ;)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on May 05, 2011, 23:25
Nice shots, looks like ur quite handy with a DSLR too. Try some wide angle close ups with different perspectives.

How many hours do these take to run in?

I take it this room's permanently out of bounds for ur kids now ;)

Not sure how many hours, must check with HER tomorrow.   My children will come into the room but they will not touch any of the eqpt:)

Pixs taken with 5dMKII with 24-105L.  Will try to take with 17-35L and 100 Macro in the next few days. 
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: alan on May 05, 2011, 23:33
annapurna congrats on your futura. Thank you for sharing the pictures. They are really very beautiful.

Btw i notice a nice serial number 400 on them. Thats alot of 40k speakers made and sold considering they are introduced not too long ago.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on May 05, 2011, 23:37
annapurna congrats on your futura. Thank you for sharing the pictures. They are really very beautiful.

Btw i notice a nice serial number 400 on them. Thats alot of 40k speakers made and sold considering they are introduced not too long ago.

It is "100", looks like 400.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: alan on May 05, 2011, 23:40
Paiseh my apologies! 100 is an even nicer number :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: jmohd on May 06, 2011, 05:56
annapurna, congrats on you new toy...beautiful shots of the speakers...how about letting us listen to her in action..(post some clips) :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: arsene on May 06, 2011, 08:54
The woodcraft on the speakers are exquisite !!! Now if only I can afford $40K+ to pay for those pair of beauties.  Congrats...thanks for sharing your new acquisition with us.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Charnel on May 06, 2011, 12:31
Very nice indeed....the build and finish is exceptional....can only admire....thanks for sharing...
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on May 06, 2011, 13:45

The rubber is somekind of damper to reduce vibration between the 2 plates.  This is taken from Ultimate Mag website.  "The company's Low Vibration Transmission (LVT) and Tuned Mass Damper (TMD) technologies virtually eliminate mechanical vibration, and the Stealth Reflex port on the back extends the bass while quieting the normally inherent chuffing sound completely."

The workmanship is better than my previous Guarneri, that is for sure.

For folks whom like to know more...

http://www.ultimateavmag.com/content/sonus-faber-amati-futura-speaker (http://www.ultimateavmag.com/content/sonus-faber-amati-futura-speaker)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on May 07, 2011, 12:35
After slightly more than 15 hrs of play, the Futura sound started to open up.  It is much smoother.  Diana Krall's voice on Temptation and Cai Jin's vocals on the Green Album floated in space between the 2 spkrs, much more real and full bodied as compared to the Kharma 3.2FE.  With Sundance Flamenco, the guitar plucking by James Bolchak is breathtaking fast and I am hearing details that that comes deep from the soundstage that I remember was never there.  The Futura seems to be resolving details much better than the Kharmas.  However, with Thom Rotella Platinum Melodies, Four Play and Earl Klugh, the bass seems to be a bit lean and restrain.  Have to play really loud to feel the "whack".  But the Futura can play really loud and is easy to drive with no feeling of compression at loud levels.

Here are more pixs taken with a wide angle lens with a slightly different perspective.  Futura comes with a cover cloth with "Sonus Faber" embroidery  :).  I rememberr Guarneri Homage came with a cloth as well but no embroidery.

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%20Amati%20Futura/IMG_0103.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%20Amati%20Futura/IMG_0105.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%20Amati%20Futura/IMG_0115.jpg)


 
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on May 07, 2011, 15:07
Not sure how many hours, must check with HER tomorrow.   

Typically 200 to 300 hours.

However for your AF, the built in damping elastomeric material for the base also requires settling in with full speaker weight on it. So, interesting to see how the run-in process behave.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on May 07, 2011, 15:17
The rubber is somekind of damper to reduce vibration between the 2 plates.  This is taken from Ultimate Mag website.  "The company's Low Vibration Transmission (LVT) and Tuned Mass Damper (TMD) technologies virtually eliminate mechanical vibration.

Using elastomer dampening material is not new in many industry for vibration reduction, just quite puzzled that Sonus faber implemented it in the newer speakers. It certainly adds a new vabriable in the equation. May create a good area to tweak too.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: ysl on May 09, 2011, 12:05
A friend and I was listening to a pair of SF anniversary . When it was set up, we were in awe of the beauty and top notch workmanship, and did not stop till the dealer asked if we can now listen to the sound? That was a good 15 minutes later.  ;D
 
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on May 23, 2011, 23:18
The new Sonus Faber Guarneri Evolution is out.  Plse see attached link.

http://audioaficionado.org/sonus-faber/8410-guarneri-evoluzione-3.html
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on May 23, 2011, 23:28
Sonus faber's R&D and manufacturing teams seem very productive nowadays :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on May 23, 2011, 23:44
Sonus faber's R&D and manufacturing teams seem very productive nowadays :)

Looks like mini Amati Futura, price is 15K Euro but should be cheaper in Singapore.  Who will be the 1st to own it :)  Better start to talk to Anthony when he comes back from Munich.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: melmeow on May 31, 2011, 23:27
was in Kaoshiung earlier this month, happened to visit this long established shop (兆洋音響), too bad they were renovating n i could not get the chance to listen to the setup....experts what is the model of this SF ? i cant find any the model online... The owner is super friendly and shared alot of his audiophile experiences...finally got to see his renovated new showroom...


(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x333/melmeowww/SF.jpg)

Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: alan on May 31, 2011, 23:31
The Sonus Faber

http://www.sonusfaber.com/thesonusfaber/en/
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: melmeow on May 31, 2011, 23:35
ahh thanks...stupid me.....
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: jimi on May 31, 2011, 23:44
was in Kaoshiung earlier this month, happened to visit this long established shop (兆洋音響), too bad they were renovating n i could not get the chance to listen to the setup....experts what is the model of this SF ? i cant find any the model online... The owner is super friendly and shared alot of his audiophile experiences...finally got to see his renovated new showroom...


(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x333/melmeowww/SF.jpg)



I think I saw them in HER, but their room v small :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: boh8187 on June 07, 2011, 19:54
Hi SF user,

Own a pair of SF auditor M, now itch think of amp :)
Heard the goldmund go well with SF.
Any of the bro here had an audition with this combo before?
Is looking @ goldmund 390 integrated amp. May I know what is the estimated price ?

Cheer
Kurt
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on June 07, 2011, 20:02
Hi SF user,

Own a pair of SF auditor M, now itch think of amp :)
Heard the goldmund go well with SF.
Any of the bro here had an audition with this combo before?
Is looking @ goldmund 390 integrated amp. May I know what is the estimated price ?

Cheer
Kurt

Hi Kurt, congrats to your purchase...I have the same speaker too...its a pleasure to listen.  :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: melmeow on June 11, 2011, 19:38
just realised the size diff The Sonus Faber & Amati Futura.


(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x333/melmeowww/225677_2043412410424_1397762141_324.jpg)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on June 11, 2011, 20:48
And the price too.. Sonus faber price their speakers according to the weight and size these days :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Quest on June 11, 2011, 21:41
Hi SF user,

Own a pair of SF auditor M, now itch think of amp :)
Heard the goldmund go well with SF.
Any of the bro here had an audition with this combo before?
Is looking @ goldmund 390 integrated amp. May I know what is the estimated price ?

Cheer
Kurt
today i happen to hear the lower end integrated with sonus faber (cremona i think).
the system had good tonality but may feel almost too neutral for my preference. highs have not enough sparkle though there is, mid/bass is tight and good resolution which i did not hear from passlabs. very nimble. only thing is i felt could be abit fatiguing to listen to for a long time.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on June 11, 2011, 22:35
Not a new finding, but the better matching amps from HER's offering is probably Audio Research and Orpheus IMO. Too often HER attempted to pair Sf speakers with Goldmund amps in their showroom and hifi shows only to result in not so pleasing performance :(
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Quest on June 11, 2011, 22:58
Not a new finding, but the better matching amps from HER's offering is probably Audio Research and Orpheus IMO. Too often HER attempted to pair Sf speakers with Goldmund amps in their showroom and hifi shows only to result in not so pleasing performance :(
the sales guy told me its cos of the power issues at hifi show.. honestly i thought all of their showing at those shows sounded crap. in a way its a gd thing i went down. at least got a better idea of how sonus faber sounds.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: jimi on June 11, 2011, 23:24
Not a new finding, but the better matching amps from HER's offering is probably Audio Research and Orpheus IMO. Too often HER attempted to pair Sf speakers with Goldmund amps in their showroom and hifi shows only to result in not so pleasing performance :(

I listening to HER's Sonus Faber/ Goldmund/ Mac setup for about an hour- was distinctly underwhelmed and very disappointed. I thought it might have been the computer implementation but perhaps it was also the pairing.

Was very amused when I found the integrated bookshelf speaker :D Must go and read up about it when I get the chance.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on June 11, 2011, 23:35
was in Kaoshiung earlier this month, happened to visit this long established shop (兆洋音響), too bad they were renovating n i could not get the chance to listen to the setup....experts what is the model of this SF ? i cant find any the model online... The owner is super friendly and shared alot of his audiophile experiences...finally got to see his renovated new showroom...


(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x333/melmeowww/SF.jpg)



Really nice show room!

Anyone notice the huge Sf spks are being driven by Krell's flagship 8 chassis Evo one power and Evo two pre amps in the background? Guess it must have really brought The Sonus faber alive :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on June 11, 2011, 23:42
I listening to HER's Sonus Faber/ Goldmund/ Mac setup for about an hour- was distinctly underwhelmed and very disappointed. I thought it might have been the computer implementation but perhaps it was also the pairing.

Quite sure it was more due to the Goldmund in the chain.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: fatboy00 on June 12, 2011, 10:27
Hi bro here, where can try SF speaker? And also which shop selling good price.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on June 12, 2011, 11:35
Scroll up this thread, it's been mentioned several times -- HighEnd Research, we call HER in short here.

Spend some time with the shop and the sales, if you are sincere in buying and put a little effort to talk about the price, the final price tag is often negotiable and reasonable.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: fatboy00 on June 12, 2011, 12:36
Hi Luv4nature, thanks for the info & tips. Btw, do you have their address?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: alan on June 12, 2011, 12:39
Let me help you

http://www.highendresearch.com/contact.html
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on June 12, 2011, 13:16
I listening to HER's Sonus Faber/ Goldmund/ Mac setup for about an hour- was distinctly underwhelmed and very disappointed. I thought it might have been the computer implementation but perhaps it was also the pairing.

SF speakers sound very very much better in real home installations where the owners have taken time to optimise their placement and amp matching. Quite frankly, the sound at the shop does not do justice to what the speakers are capable of. I personally would never have bought SF based on the shop sound. But because I have visited owners I dared buy it after a short listen.

Visit some forumers here to experience for yourself SF driven by a variety of amps and sources. I use a small Goldmund with SF and an analog source. Very happy with the matching although it may not to everyone's taste.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: jimi on June 12, 2011, 17:33
Sorry, I was referring only to the big boy Sonus Fabers. For such money/size/complexity of that particular HER setup, it was a real disappointment to me at least.
It wasn't a comment about SF brand in general.

I've heard a handful of SF setups which I really like (Luv4N's being a favorite), I would agree that careful matching can make them really sing.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on June 12, 2011, 22:43
Sorry, I was referring only to the big boy Sonus Fabers. For such money/size/complexity of that particular HER setup, it was a real disappointment to me at least.
It wasn't a comment about SF brand in general.

I've heard a handful of SF setups which I really like (Luv4N's being a favorite), I would agree that careful matching can make them really sing.

L4N's is one of the best around I agree. Very carefully supported and partnered with carefully chosen amps. With the big The Sonus Faber, I agree that even at the launch at Holiday Inn Atrium, it failed to wow me. I felt it sounded restrained and lacking in speed/emotion. Maybe it was because the drivers were too "tight"for music to flow freely.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: jimi on June 13, 2011, 00:20
Have u been back to listen to it since the launch?

Unless it really hasn't been run in, I heard the same problem. Sounds lethargic, unemotional. The stage is deep but not wide. Definitely doesn't capture the I'm-there feeling or emotion. Clarity and transparency are not top notch too for a system that I'd consider to be in the 'silly money' category. Quite a narrow sweet spot too, but perhaps that's a setup limitation.


I did like the low bass and weight and scale of the sound. Howver there's also quite an annoying mid bass boom when I was listening at high levels.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on June 13, 2011, 00:50
jimi and b_starfish, thanks for the free publicity :) I'm pretty sure there are quite a number of well set-up Sonus faber system around. Set up Sonus faber speakers properly and feed them appropriately, and you'll be lushly rewarded.

b_starfish you are quite right, have spent several years living with Sonus faber speakers and spent lot's of effort to get them to sound right, with significant effort on gettiing the supports right.

Talking about supports, was surprised to find out that permanent damping materials are adopted in the new TSF and Amati futura spks. In my own experience, the support for a given pair of speaker often needs to be optimized to cope with different equipment, flooring and room acoustics. In one case, I've heard elastomeric o-rings under footers to work well with laminated wood flooring, while the same application sounded bad for solid wood parquet and tiled flooring. So the permanent inclusion of elastomeric materials at the base of the new range of Sf speakers really beats me, as it may result in less-than-optimum effect with certain flooring and room environment.

On the big TSf that we all have heard here not too long ago, I believe it is far from being optimized. It's a huge speaker with many complicated features, and will easily take a few weeks to months worth of effort to get them to sing to its glory.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Quest on June 13, 2011, 07:36
gf walked out of the room during the sonus faber launch in 5 second.. said it hurts her ears.
i'm sure it's wrongly setup.. honestly can't believe speaker setup costing that much sounds that bad.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on June 13, 2011, 19:48
Quite a number of us tried damn hard for the good part of that afternoon to want our ears to get used to the emotionless sound, not many succeeded I guess, haha :)

Anyone of you noticed that a Wadia CDP (S7i I think) was place together with the rest of Goldmund boxes but not connected to the set up ? Am pretty sure the sound would have been a lot better if the Wadia CDP was used instead of the Goldmund digital source and digital amplification throughout. Some actually requested that the Wadia be demoed, but HER sales replied because that Goldmund guy is around, it was not politically right for them to play a non-Goldmund player in the set up. Guess they missed a great chance to have TSf sound a lot better than it did.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: jimi on June 13, 2011, 20:25
Quite a number of us tried damn hard for the good part of that afternoon to want our ears to get used to the emotionless sound, not many succeeded I guess, haha :)

Anyone of you noticed that a Wadia CDP (S7i I think) was place together with the rest of Goldmund boxes but not connected to the set up ? Am pretty sure the sound would have been a lot better if the Wadia CDP was used instead of the Goldmund digital source and digital amplification throughout. Some actually requested that the Wadia be demoed, but HER sales replied because that Goldmund guy is around, it was not politically right for them to play a non-Goldmund player in the set up. Guess they missed a great chance to have TSf sound a lot better than it did.

LOL! I've been rather reticent to post earlier at risk of being flamed. Didn't know u all felt the same.

But I wouldn't say it hurt my ears ??? Quite the opposite really which was the problem for me- perhaps they had changed something since the launch?

If I could pick I'd probably add the Emmslab- more emo than the Wadia. TBH I think the Wadia sound is a little too hard and cold sounding for me- was more like it when paired with the Ref 5 ;)

Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on June 13, 2011, 21:10
Actually TSf at HER's own showroom is somehow sounding much better than how it was during the launch event.

Everywhere else in the world TSf is getting rave reactions, except for here in S'pore. But then, I believe all other demos were not driving them with Goldmund Telos amps besides the Milano show in Italy.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on June 14, 2011, 21:05
I should also clarify that IMO only the current range Goldmund Telos power amps do not sound the best with Sonus faber speakers, their earlier ranges of Mimesis and SR power amps are actually pretty good driving Sf.

In fact, I first got drawn in by HER's Sonus faber amati hommage + Goldmund Mimesis power amp set up years back. Also, believe blue_starfish is driving his CM with Goldmund SR power amp to good effect.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on June 14, 2011, 22:28
In fact, I first got drawn in by HER's Sonus faber amati hommage + Goldmund Mimesis power amp set up years back. Also, believe blue_starfish is driving his CM with Goldmund SR power amp to good effect.

Yes driven by the SR to the point where my CM sounds un-typically SF.  A SF that does PRaT very well!   
Title: Sonus faber goes ribbon
Post by: Luv4nature on June 29, 2011, 12:08
Quite a spin for Sonus to introduce these ribbon SE versions for the Asia market :)

(http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/6585/amatiguarnerise.jpg)

(http://img848.imageshack.us/img848/8166/cremonaelipsase.jpg)

So, The Sonus faber SE, Anati futura SE, and Guarneri evoluzione SE next ?

Very soon, will be losing track of all the different versions.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: jimi on June 29, 2011, 12:18
Wow! They look amazing! Are they on ur radar, KC? :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber goes ribbon
Post by: mousike on June 29, 2011, 12:20
Quite a spin for Sonus to introduce these ribbon SE versions for the Asia market :)

They look cool...but why only Asia??
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on June 30, 2011, 00:31
Wow! They look amazing! Are they on ur radar, KC? :)

Not a real fan of ribbon tweeter/ cone driver combo speakers, integration of HF always seem a bit unreal (integration is better if implemented as a super tweeter instead of main tweeter). However, those true full range ribbon speakers like Apogee are really superb.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on June 30, 2011, 00:33
They look cool...but why only Asia??

Marketing and production costs sponsored by tweeter manufacturer in Asia may be :) ?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on June 30, 2011, 10:17
Marketing and production costs sponsored by tweeter manufacturer in Asia may be :) ?

With ribbon tweeter, SF may not sound like SF anymore.  There goes the family sound.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: francis wu on June 30, 2011, 10:22
Probably sourcing the ribbon tweeters from this company.....

http://aurumcantus.com/

Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Phaton on June 30, 2011, 10:37
With ribbon tweeter, SF may not sound like SF anymore.  There goes the family sound.

With the Introduction of the Strads and the new M series SF has gone more commercial rather than maintain it's old signature sound and with the departure of Franco Serblin it pretty much cast the direction change in stone. But I could never imagine that ribbon tweeters are used in SF, this is really an all time low in the marketing department.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on June 30, 2011, 10:50
But I could never imagine that ribbon tweeters are used in SF, this is really an all time low in the marketing department.

This is all new at the moment and there are folks whom prefer ribbons over other tweeters. I am keen to give it a listen to understand the change or improvement (if any) in SE...  :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Phaton on June 30, 2011, 10:58
Good to know there are brave folks around. Looks like we will be seeing alot of resale SF on the market sooner than later ;D
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on June 30, 2011, 11:09
Good to know there are brave folks around. Looks like we will be seeing alot of resale SF on the market sooner than later ;D

Thats hard to say...some may not like Ribbons on their box  ;D
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Phaton on June 30, 2011, 11:47
Sorry for not being clear ;D, I am refering to the ribbon versions being on the resale market very soon :P
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on June 30, 2011, 11:47
Probably sourcing the ribbon tweeters from this company.....

http://aurumcantus.com/



Ha, with this SE series now not sure whether aurum cantus spks looks like Sonus, and is it the other way round :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on June 30, 2011, 11:56
With the Introduction of the Strads and the new M series SF has gone more commercial rather than maintain it's old signature sound and with the departure of Franco Serblin it pretty much cast the direction change in stone. But I could never imagine that ribbon tweeters are used in SF, this is really an all time low in the marketing department.

Yeap, there's only one real legend. Watch out for more happenings at the "Yter" side..

Actually, the Stradivari still has a lot of Franco Serblin elements in it. It was only after the Cremona M series that Sonus faber took on a diff direction.

Franco left Sonus faber in 2008, models from year 2009 onwards are developed by the new team.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on June 30, 2011, 14:02
Yeap, there's only one real legend. Watch out for more happenings at the "Yter" side..

Actually, the Stradivari still has a lot of Franco Serblin elements in it. It was only after the Cremona M series that Sonus faber took on a diff direction.

Franco left Sonus faber in 2008, models from year 2009 onwards are developed by the new team.

Ktema,  should be coming to our shores soon.  Watch out for it :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: ilovepanerai on June 30, 2011, 14:16
Ktema,  should be coming to our shores soon.  Watch out for it :)

That is a very interesting speaker, any idea who will be the dealer for the Ktema? HER?

Cheers
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: clitang on June 30, 2011, 14:56
That is a very interesting speaker, any idea who will be the dealer for the Ktema? HER?

Cheers

Yes, very eager to see this speaker in SG. The last check of the price in HK was HK$280000, hope it will not be much different.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: alan on July 02, 2011, 20:12
The Ktema is already available at HER.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: durianlover88 on July 02, 2011, 21:23
Heard the ktema yesterday with a bunch of bros (Giraffe, DH, Audio, Francis).
Speakers pretty new but have very good potential IMHO.
It's real potential can only be revealed in a true unbottlenecked chain - not the case in the current setup, though - maybe HER just putting them through the run-in pace at the moment.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: francis wu on July 02, 2011, 21:26
Heard them last night with Orpheus monos and........let's say that I prefer Giraffe's Tango with CJ Art... :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on July 02, 2011, 21:41
Wanna consider continuing the Yter Ktema speaker discussion at this separate thread to separate between Sonus faber and Ktema ?

http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=81715.msg585778#msg585778

Well, have long learnt how to pick up the positives and negatives of equipment (esp. Sonus faber speakers) heard at HER, and then take the time to  have most if not all of the negatives debugged in a proper home set up :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: clitang on July 02, 2011, 23:45
Hi

Anyone can PM me the price?

Thank you
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: ilovepanerai on July 05, 2011, 13:47
Great that the Ktema has finally reached our shores.
Any guys who listened to the futura and ktema in the enviroment of HER do some comments between the 2 since both are similarly priced.

Cheers

Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on July 05, 2011, 20:32

Any guys who listened to the futura and ktema in the enviroment of HER do some comments between the 2 since both are similarly priced.

Cheers



The Ktema is going to cost quite a bit more as compared to Amati Futura. 
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: alan on July 05, 2011, 22:11
The Ktema is going to cost quite a bit more as compared to Amati Futura. 

Do you know the prices roughly? When i went down to listen to them, i was told the difference is not much.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on July 06, 2011, 11:36
Do you know the prices roughly? When i went down to listen to them, i was told the difference is not much.

Approx 10K more than Amati Futura.  So should be around 50K.  With some negotiation, you may get a little bit less from HER.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on July 07, 2011, 14:35
The link speaks for itself.  :)

Consolidation of distribution...

http://www.avguide.com/article/fine-sounds-spa-announces-the-acquisition-sumiko (http://www.avguide.com/article/fine-sounds-spa-announces-the-acquisition-sumiko)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on July 26, 2011, 17:58
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Hzsmhaog5M (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Hzsmhaog5M)

Auditioned this at HER - a must hear  ;D
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: donf1978 on July 27, 2011, 17:23
Interested in Liuto Monitor Wood / Black  (Bookshelf one). Unsure if it fit my budget.

Can someone kindly send me a pm on the price? Thanks!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on August 09, 2011, 22:07
Some impressive Test Results on this pair of exquisite speakers here  :)

http://www.stereoplay.de/testbericht/test-sonus-faber-amati-futura-1165317.html (http://www.stereoplay.de/testbericht/test-sonus-faber-amati-futura-1165317.html)


After slightly more than 15 hrs of play, the Futura sound started to open up.  It is much smoother.  Diana Krall's voice on Temptation and Cai Jin's vocals on the Green Album floated in space between the 2 spkrs, much more real and full bodied as compared to the Kharma 3.2FE.  With Sundance Flamenco, the guitar plucking by James Bolchak is breathtaking fast and I am hearing details that that comes deep from the soundstage that I remember was never there.  The Futura seems to be resolving details much better than the Kharmas.  However, with Thom Rotella Platinum Melodies, Four Play and Earl Klugh, the bass seems to be a bit lean and restrain.  Have to play really loud to feel the "whack".  But the Futura can play really loud and is easy to drive with no feeling of compression at loud levels.

Here are more pixs taken with a wide angle lens with a slightly different perspective.  Futura comes with a cover cloth with "Sonus Faber" embroidery  :).  I rememberr Guarneri Homage came with a cloth as well but no embroidery.

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Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: scoobydoo on August 10, 2011, 07:02
Beautiful pair of speakers. Btw does anyone uses SF with naim. Really like to listen to such a setup.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on August 10, 2011, 13:13
Some impressive Test Results on this pair of exquisite speakers here  :)

http://www.stereoplay.de/testbericht/test-sonus-faber-amati-futura-1165317.html (http://www.stereoplay.de/testbericht/test-sonus-faber-amati-futura-1165317.html)



Aiyoh, all in German language.  How to understand what is written in the review.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on August 10, 2011, 14:27
Aiyoh, all in German language.  How to understand what is written in the review.

hahaha...yah you got to turn on Google translate and it will automatically translate the entire page for you in Google Chrome.  :)
Title: Sonus Faber Guarneri Evolution
Post by: mousike on August 20, 2011, 19:10
Guys, as promised...its all here and the rest you will have to hear it yourself  :)

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OVERTURE

A tribute to Cremona and the classical soul

Sonus faber’s tributes to the violin traditions from Cremona are the expression of a humanistic vision, one that the company has always sought in creating an authentic sense of musical experience. Listening to music is ecstasy, seduction, rapture and intense pleasure: never should it be constriction or nuisance. This is the basis of our belief that natural and fatigue free liste- ning are the keys to obtaining ideal sound reproduction: suggestive and sensual. In this way we renew our tribute to the works of the master violinists of Cremona and their modus operandi, always watchful above all of the Timbre. The knowledge that allows for the obtaining of a Timbre is still our most vital source of inspiration. The goal of evoking the sensuality of music also requires the use of perennial speakers, skillfully updated, knowing that they represent an unparalleled goal in terms of pure sound reproduction. The best performers, as a matter of fact, continue to use instruments that were built 250 years ago, in Cremona.

Giuseppe Guarneri del Gesù (Cremona 1698-1744) was the last and most prominent representative of a dynasty of violin makers, that for three generations worked in the era of the classic Cremonese workshops. Recent and most precise historians paint the figure of a craftsman that during the first part of his career dedicated himself to the construction of instruments, following the most pure Cremonese style. They were perfect in terms of both esthetic and technical detail, tradi- tional in their design and proportions, always, however, predicated by some element of creativity in their construction.

At a fairly young age, however, Guarneri reaches a decision, as if freeing himself from the chains of tradition that up to this point had in some way held him back. He began to create instruments that were incredibly innovative, concentrating not only on technical precision but more directed towards the resulting sound.

These are his most characteristic violins. The famous Cannone, so called thanks to the powerful sound it produced, was the most noted representative from this new production by Guarneri and it was the chosen instrument of Nicolò Paganini. Overall we are dealing with violins that were conceived with such forward thinking and with such freedom of construction that at times they were seen as wild. Each one contained innovations such as the lengthening of the sound holes, moving the corners a little bit, modifying the arching and probably also working on the thickness of the bellies and the backs.

Free thought and freedom of construction, equally, have led to the conception of Guarneri Evolution.


THE EVOLUTION OF CLASSIC

Guarneri Homage made by Sonus faber began the series of tributes to the Cremonese school of violin makers in 1993. A historic speaker that at that time represented a new path in the life of Sonus faber, thanks to its original lute shape. Its distinctive sound was expressed through its essential and transparent music reproduction.

The respect that we continue to have for this classic – a constant source of inspiration – and his prerogatives, is immense. Equally, the enormous amount of experience and knowledge we have gained through the years began to suggest to us that the Evolution of the Guarneri concept was a concrete possibility.

Furthermore, the deeper understanding of new historical findings concerning the life of Giuseppe Guarneri, struck us and freed us from the last concerns. If Guarneri Homage, and the following Guarneri Memento, reflect the more rigorous and traditional works of del Gesù, Guarneri Evolution is meant to recall the turning of the del Gesù in unconditional search of the Timbre.

The desire to allow the sound personality of a precious two-way system to mature to superior levels of quality, without undermining the original spirit, became so crucial. The same desire was the first motive of every project choice: to complete the celebrated original transparency with the warmth and tangibleness necessary for a seductive and evocative reproduction meant daring to step away from the traditional 5” driver and implementing a new 7” driver. A choice that was expressed by paying particular attention to the membrane composition and making full use of our most recent technologies in terms of loading systems. The increased energy thus unleashed led us to develop the acoustic enclosure, redefining its proportions and making use of new solutions linked to combing different materials, thus enhancing the virtues of the violin shape.

The new project confirms and modernizes another strong Sonus faber idea, of which the first Guarneri speaker was the earliest example: an acoustic instrument living in its environment becomes part of it, carrying out the functions of both a music source as well as being a beautiful piece of furniture. The design choices, the finishes of the new materials, the increased quality of the craftsmanship and the extreme attention paid to every detail are, just like the sound produced, the enhanced expression of this concept and the most concrete testimony that our everlasting values are not only deeply-rooted in the present, but also strengthened thanks to an Evolution process.

Guarneri Evolution expresses the renewal of continuity. An evolution made possible thanks to the combination of patented technical solutions that were developed through experience that brought us to the production of our flagship (the Sonus faber).


- To Be Continue -
Title: Sonus Faber Guarneri Evolution
Post by: mousike on August 20, 2011, 19:18
ELECTROACOUSTIC DESIGN

SYSTEM
2 way Lute shape compact monitor vented speaker system on a dedicated stand. Highly optimized speaker/floor decoupling thanks to the use of the L.V.T. (Low Vibration Transmission); a T.M.D. (Tuned Mass Damper) device is used to further dampen residual resonances through a thermo-kinetic conversion; the Stealth reflex para-aperiodic solution is used for venting the cabinet.

DRIVER UNITS, PHILOSOPHY
Despite having the most advanced technological instruments, in Sonus faber there is the deep-rooted and immovable certainty that the only true judge of design choices is, at the final stages, that incredible and unparalleled instrument, the human ear. This is the principal aspect that inspires, ever since the birth of the company, the designing of the speaker systems.

In research phases every component is analysed, and eventually chosen, keeping this criteria in mind. All components used in Guarneri Evolution are built according to Sonus faber specifications, by the most skilled and renowned Scandinavian manufacturers. The drivers’ final key steps are carried out by hand in Sonus faber before being sent to the assembly line. The tuning of every set of speakers (the selection and pairing) makes every couple unique, just like every violin made by the violin masters.

THE HIGH FREQUENCY SPECTRUM
The high frequency spectrum is handled by an Evolution version of a classic Ragnar Lian 29 mm Ultra dynamic linearity tweeter, visco-elastically decoupled from the front baffle. Ragnar Lian is the creator of the two best and most renowned in history soft dome 1.1” tweeters (the D28 and the D29), that are unmatched in terms of naturalness. The ‘Evolution’ version has been improved in order to optimize the extremely high frequencies, minimizing the anti-phase behavior of the centre of the dome. The silk membrane, apart from having the traditional front coating, benefits from further work on the back of the diaphragm, through the application of a layer of viscose coating that distributes the deadening and progressively increases it towards the apex of the membrane.

THE MIDRANGE/LOW FREQUENCY SPECTRUM
The midrange/woofer is the key element among the transducers of the Guarneri Evolution. The Evolution from 5” to 7” increases the dynamics to the musical crescendos. The driver was chosen for its natural sound. The recipe for the diaphragm consists of an amalgamation of non-pressed cellulose pulp that is slowly stabilized through a natural process of air drying. The experience of adding papyrus to the cellulose pulp (the Sonus faber) has led us to discovering the beneficial characteristics of other natural fibres: Kapok, the lightest natural fibre in the world, and Kenaf, a fibre very similar to hemp. These fibers are included in the new formula. In this way we have been able to reduce colorations, typical of the classic formula, without losing anything in sound freshness. The powerful magnet system, with the 1.7” voice-coil and the triple Kellog/Goeller copper rings make this unit eddy current free. Like the tweeter, the midrange/woofer is visco-elastically decoupled from the front baffle.

THE CROSSOVER
Special attention has been given to the design of the crossover, in order to address the musical criteria of the Guarneri Evolution project. The choices of the transfer functions along with the relative drive units, define the quality of the speaker system. The Guarneri Evolution crossover uses the progressive slope architecture. Great attention has been paid to have the best amplitude and phase response. One of the features of this cross-over system lies in the innovative form of filtering carried out for the high-pass of the tweeter and is called paracross topology.
The crossover frequency is 2800 Hz. The best possible quality in relation to sound performance, carefully evaluated by ears, was the central criteria for selecting the components for the crossover: Mundorf Supreme capacitors, Jantzen inductors. Each circuit is treated, before being installed in the casing, with a viscose-bituminous covering material in order to eliminate any possible vibrations.

THE ACOUSTIC ENCLOSURE
The cabinet is the highest expression of the lute shape design. The progressive gentle curve, made of multilayer cross-grained okumè, is applied through separate smoothed layers, thus applying the technique of constrained layer damping. The acoustic environment of the transducer of mid bass is optimized to a degree of theoretical perfection. Sub-structural ribs are strategically placed inside the cabinet to strengthen it.

Guarneri Evolution introduces the S.M.D.: Surface Mass Damper system that minimizes any discoloring of the cabinet.

EVOLUTION STAND
More than just a simple pedestal, the Evolution Stand is a symbiotic element of Guarneri Evolution. An instrument that reflects some of the fundamental elements of the concept the Sonus faber such as L.V.T. (Low Vibration Transmission) otherwise known as a system of mechanical decoupling from the floor obtained through a specifically optimized elastomer suspension. It substantially reduces the transmission of spurious vibrations in the listening environment and inhibits the produce of damaging phenomenon such as acoustic feedback. The Anima Legata another derivative of the Sonus faber, is made up of two surfaces, worked and positioned orthogonally to a concentric compressed traction bar in the stand. A thickening volumetric eliminates any resonance in the cavity of the stand, thanks to the friction between the grains a thermokinetic dissipation is generated.

INNOVATIVE FEATURES
The Exo-Squeleton clamp is implemented by the 2 CNC machined avional nickel-plated end-covers ( on the top and on the bottom of the cabinet). Their role is to control and constrain residual resonances of the enclosure walls. The two end-covers are linked by the dual avional rear wings, functioning as a high speed mechanical interface that conveys spurious vibrations to the base of the cabinet. A Tuned Mass Damper, with multiple tuning frequencies, as seen on record skycrapers and F1 cars, converts the residual vibrations into heat (thermo-kinetics) by out-of-phase vibrations.

The Stealth Reflex is the Sonus faber patented solution to implement a para-aperiodic vented system. Besides allowing to reduce the dimensions of the cabinet, better low frequency and lower distortions are reached. It has also the advantage of eliminating the port noises typical of classic bass-reflex systems.


FINISHES

The finishes of the wooden parts of the Guarneri Evolution see, as true to the highest level of violin makers, the extremely careful application of 7 layers of hand polished lacquer, carefully carried out by our craftsmen. The Avional metal parts of the Exo-squeleton, on the other hand, feature high-tech, exclusive Nickel coating chemical processes. This surface finish is over 30 micron thick, extremely tough and homogeneous, with a remarkable resistance to corrosion. It is applied through a multiple phase process, with a first mirror polishing/coating step, carefully handmade by skilled craftsmanship, followed by a first material application. Two successive handmade polishing phases, each one spaced out with a material application having different chemical/timing specifications, complete a finishing that represents the best expression in its category.

Guarneri Evolution is yet another phenomenal example of our belief, ‘Proudly hand crafted in Italy’. ‘Enjoy the music’.

Title: Sonus Faber Guarneri Evolution
Post by: mousike on August 20, 2011, 19:19

SPECIFICATION

SYSTEM
2 way, low spurious vibration optimized suspension, stealth reflex para-aperiodic loading, compact monitor on a dedicated stand loudspeaker system.

CABINET
Lute shape design, multilayer, constrained-mode damping, enclosure formed using hand selected wood layers, quality graded and oriented for carefully optimized resonances control. Sub-structural ribs are strategically placed for absolute rejection of spurious vibrations. “New Era” avional (from “The” experience) exo-squeleton clamp structure with “The” Tuned Mass Damper inhibiting the residual resonances of the wooden structure.

TWEETER
29 mm ultra dynamic linearity classic Ragnar Lian moving coil driver, Sonus faber vibration optimized mechanical interface.

MIDRANGE/WOOFER
179 mm, ultra dynamic linearity driver. CCAW/Kapton “eddy current free” voice coil. Dynamically linear magnetic field motor incorporating triple Kellog/Goeller rings. Real time air dried and non pressed cellulose fiber cone. Designed synergistically with its optimized “acoustic chamber”. A special coaxial anti-compressor are used, designed to remove cavity resonance and distortions.

CROSS-OVER
Non-resonant “progressive slope” design, optimized amplitude/phase response for optimal space/time performance. “Paracross topology” topology on the tweeter hi-pass. The response at low frequencies is controlled for a clear amplifier friendly performance. Highest quality is used in terms of the components: Mundorf “Supreme” capacitors, Jantzen inductors. Cross-over: 2800Hz.

FREQUENCY RESPONSE
40 Hz – 30.000 Hz, Stealth reflex included.

SENSITIVITY
86 db SPL (2.83V/1 m).

NOMINAL IMPEDENCE
4 ohm.

POWER HANDLING
25W – 200W, without clipping.

DIMENSIONS
410 x 235 x 412 mm (HxWxD).

WEIGHT
37 Kg per pair – net weight / 43.5 Kg per pair – shipping weight.

OPTIONAL DEDICATED STAND
Dimensions: 795 x 320 x 423 mm (HxWxD).
Weight: 72 Kg per pair – net weight / 86 Kg per pair – shipping weight.

TOTAL DIMENSIONS
1205 x 320 x 510 mm (HxWxD).



THE INSTALLATION

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THE EVOLUTION

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Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on August 21, 2011, 01:14
Very beautiful piece of musical instrument.  Biwire it and it will sound even better.  I just tried it with my speakers today :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on August 21, 2011, 08:02
Very beautiful piece of musical instrument.  Biwire it and it will sound even better.  I just tried it with my speakers today :)

Yup, I did tried Luv4Nature suggestion of shotgun connection and its amazing...will consider  :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: naimster on August 21, 2011, 08:32
 Mousike, congrats!
Each time I see beautiful sonus fabers, I can't help but imagine how it would look in my room! Maybe maybe just one day.... I would own one just for the looks! ;)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on August 21, 2011, 08:34
Mousike, congrats!
Each time I see beautiful sonus fabers, I can't help but imagine how it would look in my room! Maybe maybe just one day.... I would own one just for the looks! ;)

Maybe one day you will have a computer system too...you will never know  ;)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: oomph on August 21, 2011, 09:10
where to get replacement for the string grills?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on August 21, 2011, 10:00
mousike,

Thanks for posting the pics, and think you've just set the fastest record of speaker upgrade on this thread !  :)

From your photos, it shows that the Guarneri series speakers remain the most well packed among all Sonus faber speakers. No other Sf speakers are accompanied by the nice customized wooden box except the Guarneris, from original homage to present evolution.

The mirror finish chrome top plate has certainly given the new range of Sonus speakers a very unique and differentiating look. My impression (in a humorous way) is that the traditional high gloss all wooden surface tend to invite molestation from visitors, while the new chrome top surface seems to have the effect of screaming "hands-off !", .... perhaps a good secondary design intent :) Anyhow, it seems to project a rather contrasty & modern look.

And you have certainly made the right choice in choosing the high gloss graphite version as it goes perfectly with your red curtain background. The violin red version would not have done the same visual effect in your case.

Anyway very glad for you. You must be one of the happiest guys in xtremeplace this week ! :)

An evolution review coming up next ?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: xerox on August 21, 2011, 10:13
where to get replacement for the string grills?

You can get it from Highend.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on August 21, 2011, 10:35

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%20Amati%20Futura/IMG_0062.jpg)


annapurna,

Thanks for the listening session on your set up, and the Amati futura in particular. The futura certainly stood out in your place. Good decent tonal balance, depth and imaging from your system to yield a coherent presentation in a bedroom set up, also due in part to the built-in EQ function of Tact as you have said.

The futura has a faster pace and a more accurate tonal balance than previous version Amati, and I think it is handled very well by your jadis amps. Right choice to bi-wire with yter spk cables too! If anything, would encourage to explore other EQ setting to add back just a tad more richness to the sound. It is a tube amp -- Sonus combo after all :)

Once again, a very nice set up and I bet you'll get plenty of enjoyable time with your futura !
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on August 21, 2011, 17:39
mousike,

Thanks for posting the pics, and think you've just set the fastest record of speaker upgrade on this thread !  :)

Hahaha...I am not competing and had no intention to upgrade at all until recently I accompanied a friend to audition the Amati at HER. Coincidentally they had a pair of Evolution fresh out of the box and was running in. I sat down for a listen and the rest as you know is history...  :)

From your photos, it shows that the Guarneri series speakers remain the most well packed among all Sonus faber speakers. No other Sf speakers are accompanied by the nice customized wooden box except the Guarneris, from original homage to present evolution.

The packaging and finish is perfect.

You can see the attention to details in how it was packed, arranged, positioned, etc...it simply excites all your senses.

In the process of opening the box we had to cut open a heat sealed pack before getting into a nice wooden crate similar to a crate of fine wine. Immediately after lifting up the cover we were invited with a breath of fresh wood scent. Of all the accessories lay nicely for us I saw an unusual piece of rectangular wood block with Sonus Faber imprinted but it doesn't fit anywhere on the speaker. Later I realized the wooden scent actually came from this piece of wooden block and its the same scent from within the speakers port - its the wood. I then realized why the Italians have gone through such extend to heat seal the package. 

Simply refine... :)

The mirror finish chrome top plate has certainly given the new range of Sonus speakers a very unique and differentiating look. My impression (in a humorous way) is that the traditional high gloss all wooden surface tend to invite molestation from visitors, while the new chrome top surface seems to have the effect of screaming "hands-off !", .... perhaps a good secondary design intent :) Anyhow, it seems to project a rather contrasty & modern look.

hahaha...I like the way you express it. I visited Annapurna and it had the same effect on me!! While auditioning the Evolution at HER Philip has caught me looking up these Italian beauties several times.  :D

And you have certainly made the right choice in choosing the high gloss graphite version as it goes perfectly with your red curtain background. The violin red version would not have done the same visual effect in your case.

My previous CAM was graphite and I did consider changing the curtains and get red instead but my preference has always been graphite. In fact this is the first pair of Evolution Graphite in Singapore.

The red has a tradition feel to SF signature sound and look...however, the current SF is not the same as before and in a good way. I have never own any SF speakers in Serblin Franco era so there wasn't any reference to the past which frees me in making comparison with current competing brands between 10K to 17K region.

Anyway very glad for you. You must be one of the happiest guys in xtremeplace this week ! :)

An evolution review coming up next ?

Thanks for all whom have help me in one way or another in making this purchase and shared my happiness...its a pleasure to get to know many of you folks.   :)

I feel its a little early to make a thorough review since its freshly out of the box. However, initial thoughts are very transparent and neutral. It has an open, wide and lively soundstage - especially on classical genre its amazing. It does well in all genre too and bass does go low with superb control...though its a standmount but the combined weight of speakers and stand is about the same as the floorstander Amati Futura. This is in no way suggesting it will go as low as Amati Futura however optimizing the integration between the stands and speakers realizes the full potential of the design.

Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on August 21, 2011, 21:41
annapurna,

Thanks for the listening session on your set up, and the Amati futura in particular. The futura certainly stood out in your place. Good decent tonal balance, depth and imaging from your system to yield a coherent presentation in a bedroom set up, also due in part to the built-in EQ function of Tact as you have said.

The futura has a faster pace and a more accurate tonal balance than previous version Amati, and I think it is handled very well by your jadis amps. Right choice to bi-wire with yter spk cables too! If anything, would encourage to explore other EQ setting to add back just a tad more richness to the sound. It is a tube amp -- Sonus combo after all :)

Once again, a very nice set up and I bet you'll get plenty of enjoyable time with your futura !

Hi Luv4nature, you are indeed correct that there is less richness with the TACT with room-correction.  I guess with room correction, I am able to get the Futura to play in my small room with a small penalty. I will try to tune the sound slowly to get the richness back and your honest feedback is very helpful.  Perhaps an extra pair of Yter or a turntable upgrade may help :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on August 22, 2011, 16:06
Guys, you got to try these tracks on your SF :) 

The drums, depth, control, crescendo...with visceral energy and power

Billy The Kid (Suite From The Ballet) Gun Battle by Aaron Copland

This is a fun piece with good micro details, depth, and ambiance...

The Carmen Ballet - IV. Changing of Guard - Shchedrin Plays Bizet

Enjoy.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on August 23, 2011, 23:12
The Evolution played the - Vivaldi Four Seasons - Concerto in E major, RV269 "Spring" I. Allegro - amazingly well...and to have an accurate interpretation I got a friend whom is an avid Audiophile since the early 60s and a musician as well. He is an Australian and has travelled a fair bit throughout Asia Pacific...anyway thats not the point - the point is we both were in awe by what we heard.

I will spare you the description but the timbre, timing, and tone were all harmoniously played. This got me thinking about the name Guarneri, what is its significant and how interesting the story of Giuseppe Guarneri runs in parellel with the creation of Guarneri Evolution.

I did a quick check on wiki and thought I should share this for your reading pleasure...  :)


The Guarneri (often referred to in the Latinized form Guarnerius) is the family name of a group of distinguished luthiers from Cremona in Italy in the 17th and 18th centuries, whose standing is considered comparable to those of the Amati and Stradivari families. Some of the world's most famous violinists, such as Niccolò Paganini, Jascha Heifetz, Yehudi Menuhin, and Itzhak Perlman, have preferred Guarneris to Stradivaris. The average Stradivari is stronger in the 200 Hz and 250 Hz bands and above 1.6 kHz. Del Gesùs are on average stronger from 315 Hz up to 1.25 kHz. These differences are perceived as a more brilliant sound and stronger fundamentals of the lowest notes of the Stradivari, versus a darker sound in the del Gesùs.

Andrea Guarneri (c. 1626 - 7 December 1698) was an apprentice in the workshop of Nicolo Amati from 1641 to 1646 and returned to make violins for Amati from 1650 to 1654. His early instruments are generally based on the "Grand Amati" pattern but struggled to achieve the sophistication of Amati's own instruments. Andrea Guarneri produced some fine violas, one of which was played by William Primrose.

Two of Andrea's sons continued the father's traditions:

Pietro Giovanni Guarneri (Pietro da Mantova) (18 February 1655 - 26 March 1720), worked in his father's workshop from around 1670 until his marriage in 1677. He was established in Mantua by 1683, where he worked both as a musician and a violin maker. His instruments are generally finer than his father's, but are rare owing to his double profession. Joseph Szigeti played one of his instruments.

Giuseppe Giovanni Battista Guarneri (filius Andreae) (25 November 1666 - 1739 or 1740), Andrea's younger son, joined his father's business in Cremona, inheriting it in 1698. He is reckoned among the great violin makers, although he struggled to compete with Stradivari, a pervasive presence throughout his career. From around 1715 he was assisted by his sons, and probably Carlo Bergonzi.

Giuseppe Giovanni Battista was father to two further instrument makers:
Pietro Guarneri (Pietro da Venezia) (14 April 1695 - 7 April 1762), finding life in Casa Guarneri in some way uncongenial, left Cremona for good in 1718, eventually settling in Venice. Here he blended the Cremonese techniques of his father with Venetian, perhaps working with Domenico Montagnana and Carlo Annibale Tononi. His first original labels from Venice date from 1730. His instruments are rare and as highly prized as those of his father and uncle. One of his cellos was played by Beatrice Harrison.

Bartolomeo Giuseppe Guarneri (del Gesù) (21 August 1698 - 17 October 1744), has been called the greatest violinmaker of all time. Giuseppe is known as del Gesù ("of Jesus") because his labels always incorporated the characters I.H.S. (iota-eta-sigma, a Greek acronym for Jesus Christ) and a Roman cross. His instruments deviated significantly from family tradition, becoming uniquely his own style, and are considered second in quality only to those of Stradivari and argued by some to be superior. The famed violin virtuoso Niccolò Paganini’s favorite instrument Il Cannone Guarnerius was a Guarneri del Gesù violin of 1743. The Lord Wilton Guarneri del Gesù violin made in 1742 was owned by Yehudi Menuhin. Other Twentieth-century 'del Gesù' players include Arthur Grumiaux, Jascha Heifetz, Michael Rabin, Joseph Silverstein, Isaac Stern, Itzhak Perlman, Sarah Chang, and Henryk Szeryng.

The Guarneri family's history is partially uncertain. Anthony J. Guarnieri writes, "Giuseppe del Gesù and Peter of Venice may have been cousins rather than brothers, and Peter of Venice may have been the son of Peter of Mantua."


Giuseppe Guarneri
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giuseppe_Guarneri (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giuseppe_Guarneri)

Here is the video of SF designer Paolo Tezzon reaffirming the same thoughts...

http://www.youtube.com/v/7Hzsmhaog5M&fs=1
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Lorenzo on August 26, 2011, 09:17
went to Mousike's place for an audition of his new speakers. 

Impressions: Vocals Very sweet, accurate and no boomz.  A big improvement over the previous Cremona Auditor.  I'm considering buying the same pair instead of the Amati haha. 

Improvement: Only improvement IMHO would be to get a pair of JL Audio subwoofers and it would be Awesome! haha
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on August 26, 2011, 09:21
Improvement: Only improvement IMHO would be to get a pair of JL Audio subwoofers and it would be Awesome! haha

Thinking of hanging them on the celling??  ;D
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: naimster on August 26, 2011, 13:14
Thinking of hanging them on the celling??  ;D
Actually, should consider getting some effective bass traps in the room. People think that by bass trapping, they are "cutting" down the bass. Actually, it's not entirely true. What one gets is hearing the true bass sound that the speakers are producing. In your case, if the guarneri goes down to 40Hz, with proper bass trapping, one would really hear the glorious unadulterated 40hz sound coming from the speaker instead of one that is a result of room+speaker interaction which can has peaks and dips all over. This is my experience after bass trapping my room. ;)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on August 26, 2011, 14:55
Actually, should consider getting some effective bass traps in the room. People think that by bass trapping, they are "cutting" down the bass. Actually, it's not entirely true. What one gets is hearing the true bass sound that the speakers are producing. In your case, if the guarneri goes down to 40Hz, with proper bass trapping, one would really hear the glorious unadulterated 40hz sound coming from the speaker instead of one that is a result of room+speaker interaction which can has peaks and dips all over. This is my experience after bass trapping my room. ;)

Hi Bro, looking forward to your expert opinion on this area...  ;D

While I was surfing the net I came across a review from Stereophile on SF Stradivari which I thought is an interesting read...http://www.stereophile.com/floorloudspeakers/105sonus

Now, these are purely my thoughts and you may not share the same but understanding his is SF thread so I decided to share this...

While reading the review it struck me that the reviewer's opinions on Stradivari's bass characteristics are so similar to the Guarneri Evolution. Its a different speaker altogether and the Evo will never plunge as low but the adjectives used to describe the bass characteristics are almost in parallel and I find it very interesting...


Check out The Trumpets that Time Forgot (SACD, Linn CKD242), a gorgeous, spacious recording featuring selections by Richard Strauss, Edward Elgar, and Josef Rheinberger for two trumpets and organ—in this case, the mammoth Hereford Cathedral Organ, built in 1892. The Stradivari's rendering of the organ's lowest pedals was visceral yet well controlled. The recording is on the warm and distant side, yet the speaker delivered the bass notes and the distinct sense of the large space without blurring the two or throwing mud into the mix. The trumpets had just the right balance of brass and air to be credible, and the organ's upper registers were cleanly delineated. The Krell was very good at this too, though not quite as well organized (no pun intended), and not with the same solidity or purity of tone. My reference loudspeakers, the Wilson Audio WATT/Puppy 7s, give greater emphasis to the brass and better delineate the distance between the trumpets and the church walls, but they don't plumb the depths; they therefore miss the organ's lower pedals and can't convey the space nearly as well.

While experiencing the Stradivari's bass performance, the word I kept coming back to was solidity—exactly the word I couldn't use to describe the bass performance of other Sonus Faber speakers I've heard, reviewed, and owned. Those speakers concentrated more on getting bass textures and tonality correct. The Strad changed that—as well it should, for $40,000!—and did so without sounding overdamped or mechanical.

You won't be disappointed with the deep, tactile, well-controlled, pitch-perfect, solid bass the Stradivari could deliver. It reproduced standup bass properly sized, with a convincing balance of string pluck and woody resonance, and electric bass with mesmerizing rhythmic nimbleness. This speaker could do jazz, rock, and classical equally well and without apology.

The Stradivari's rendering of Speakers Corner's recent "must-have" reissue of János Starker's prized Mercury Living Presence set of J.S. Bach's Suites for Solo Cello (3 LPs, SR3-9016) provided a memorable listening experience. The instrument's fundamental frequencies range from around 70 to 750Hz. The 300Hz woofer/midrange crossover sits near the middle of that sensitive range, yet the Stradivaris' rendering of the sound of the cello was easily the most convincingly three-dimensional, solid, and silky-rich I've ever heard it reproduced. When Starker dug in, the bow scrapes never sounded metallic or hard, yet textures were never glossed over. As you might imagine, male voices, which share that range, were equally well served; there was plenty of natural body, but no chestiness, nasality, or bloat.

Overall, the Stradivari delivered the most satisfying, balanced bass and midbass performance I've ever had in my room—perhaps most convincingly in the way notes faded, decayed, then cleanly stopped. The bass was never "one-note," and never sounded artificial or mechanical. Instead, it was rich and tactile without sounding sluggish or sloppy. And it was there in ideal proportion to the rest of the spectrum.


Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Lorenzo on August 26, 2011, 20:30
Thinking of hanging them on the celling??  ;D

Haha no la. The only way is buy a new Bungalow! Lolx
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on August 26, 2011, 20:32
Haha no la. The only way is buy a new Bungalow! Lolx

Not in the horizon...yet...I think yours is  ;D

JL112 x 2  :o
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on August 27, 2011, 10:01
Hi Luv4nature, you are indeed correct that there is less richness with the TACT with room-correction.  I guess with room correction, I am able to get the Futura to play in my small room with a small penalty. I will try to tune the sound slowly to get the richness back and your honest feedback is very helpful.  Perhaps an extra pair of Yter or a turntable upgrade may help :)

Btw, Mivec just replaced a new laser on my Marantz CD7.  The sound is much warmer and it sounded better as well.  Was surprised that replacing a new laser can improve the sound.  Thanks to Jimi who encourage me to replace my laser :)  It is certainly worth the money. 
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on August 27, 2011, 10:02
Guys, you got to try these tracks on your SF :) 

The drums, depth, control, crescendo...with visceral energy and power

Billy The Kid (Suite From The Ballet) Gun Battle by Aaron Copland

This is a fun piece with good micro details, depth, and ambiance...

The Carmen Ballet - IV. Changing of Guard - Shchedrin Plays Bizet

Enjoy.

Is it available on CDs or thru download? 
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on August 27, 2011, 15:41
Is it available on CDs or thru download?

Bro, can download here http://flacape.com/2010/11/mcintosh-audiophile-test-reference-cd/ (http://flacape.com/2010/11/mcintosh-audiophile-test-reference-cd/)

or buy from That CD Shop :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on August 27, 2011, 19:41
Came across this short clip on Sonus Faber quality...  :)

http://www.youtube.com/v/iSfUYkoLM4M&feature=related&fs=1
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on August 31, 2011, 23:02
When I bought my Futura, there were 3 pairs in red and 1 pair in graphite available at the warehouse.  I chose red as I feel it matches my room better.   Need to visit you soon to see your graphite Evolution.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on August 31, 2011, 23:07
When I bought my Futura, there were 3 pairs in red and 1 pair in graphite available at the warehouse.  I chose red as I feel it matches my room better.   Need to visit you soon to see your graphite Evolution.

I think both colors are simply stunning and none of these pictures ever come close to the real thing.

You are most welcome - if you don't mind it is still running in at the moment. Also Amati is a different animal compare to GE...  ;D
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on August 31, 2011, 23:18
I think both colors are simply stunning and none of these pictures ever come close to the real thing.

You are most welcome - if you don't mind it is still running in at the moment. Also Amati is a different animal compare to GE...  ;D

Will contact and visit you after next week.  I've taken new sound measurements and set new target curves with my TACT since the Futura is more or less run-in now and I am now running with bi-wire Yter instead of original measurement using Kimber Select 3035 spker cables.  The sound is quite different from what you heard previously :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on August 31, 2011, 23:26
Will contact and visit you after next week.  I've taken new sound measurements and set new target curves with my TACT since the Futura is more or less run-in now and I am now running with bi-wire Yter instead of original measurement using Kimber Select 3035 spker cables.  The sound is quite different from what you heard previously :)

I bet you love the sound of 2 pairs of yter!  ;D

Its quite an unexpected leap in SQ with two pairs and I am sure you will like it as much as I do...keep in touch!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: atx2 on September 01, 2011, 17:11
I bet you love the sound of 2 pairs of yter!  ;D

Its quite an unexpected leap in SQ with two pairs and I am sure you will like it as much as I do...keep in touch!

Very nice spk u have !!!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on September 01, 2011, 22:51
Very nice spk u have !!!

Thanks Bro...even nicer listening vocal now as I type. Love the mids...  ;D
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: abc on September 01, 2011, 22:58
Thanks Bro...even nicer listening vocal now as I type. Love the mids...  ;D

It seems only you have Guarneri. :P
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on September 02, 2011, 00:08
It seems only you have Guarneri. :P

Actually not true...there were several pairs of Futura and Evolution sold in Singapore way before I made my purchase. Maybe true I am the only few SF fan active in this forum - the first for graphite  ;D . Honestly I wasn't very fond of Guarneri and it was a stroke of luck that I was in the showroom when HER was running in a brand new pair. That was when it occurs to me this is it! The very next day that very same pair I auditioned was sold!!  :D

The problem is SF currently having difficulties fulfilling orders from distribution across the globe and HER got none for the showroom now...
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: abc on September 02, 2011, 00:16
I see..... btw so far saw people with armati, futara, evo and cremona in this tread. No people with memento i suppose.... maybe the evo and cremona is killing the memento. Victim of bad pricing?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on September 02, 2011, 00:26
I see..... btw so far saw people with armati, futara, evo and cremona in this tread. No people with memento i suppose.... maybe the evo and cremona is killing the memento. Victim of bad pricing?

There are still hardcore SF fans whom prefer the Homage range/sound and price difference is marginal. It really boils down to preferences but the new GE struck a fine balance between warm/sweet/transparent.   :)

The Stradivari is a different ball game altogether...
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: abc on September 02, 2011, 00:34
For a moment i saw GE i thought General Election.... hahahaha   Have heard SF Armati with powered by Mac..... awesome pairing.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: alan on September 02, 2011, 06:42
Actually not true...there were several pairs of Futura and Evolution sold in Singapore way before I made my purchase. Maybe true I am the only few SF fan active in this forum - the first for graphite  ;D . Honestly I wasn't very fond of Guarneri and it was a stroke of luck that I was in the showroom when HER was running in a brand new pair. That was when it occurs to me this is it! The very next day that very same pair I auditioned was sold!!  :D

The problem is SF currently having difficulties fulfilling orders from distribution across the globe and HER got none for the showroom now...

I have not visited HER for some time. Is the pair of Ktema still around?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: atx2 on September 02, 2011, 08:59
There are still hardcore SF fans whom prefer the Homage range/sound and price difference is marginal. It really boils down to preferences but the new GE struck a fine balance between warm/sweet/transparent.   :)

The Stradivari is a different ball game altogether...

Is been long time i've never turn on my setup / never buy records / or step into hifi shop hahaha  :P....
 BTW i love ur spk design and the color too  :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on September 02, 2011, 09:20
First time seeing Amati in Graphite...really cool...  8)


This really presents a rather different effect.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on September 02, 2011, 09:26
I bet you love the sound of 2 pairs of yter!  ;D

Its quite an unexpected leap in SQ with two pairs and I am sure you will like it as much as I do...keep in touch!

We should write to Yter and request for a "Lion city special edition" spk cable consisting of twice the gauge thickness :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on September 02, 2011, 09:27
Will contact and visit you after next week.  I've taken new sound measurements and set new target curves with my TACT since the Futura is more or less run-in now and I am now running with bi-wire Yter instead of original measurement using Kimber Select 3035 spker cables.  The sound is quite different from what you heard previously :)

Different in a positive way I'm sure.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on September 02, 2011, 09:34
I see..... btw so far saw people with armati, futara, evo and cremona in this tread. No people with memento i suppose....

I know 3 bros using Guarneri memento. They are many other owners of the GM too I'm sure. The size and foot print makes the Guarneri series a good "full range" wonderful looking spks in most of our aprtment/ HDB size rooms.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on September 02, 2011, 09:35
Is been long time i've never turn on my setup / never but records / or step into hifi shop hahaha  :P....
 BTW i love ur spk design and the color too  :)

Good to see your post once in a while :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: atx2 on September 02, 2011, 09:59
Hey Hi Luv4nature!!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: joamonte on September 02, 2011, 10:50
Is been long time i've never turn on my setup / never but records / or step into hifi shop hahaha  :P....
 BTW i love ur spk design and the color too  :)

Maybe You can leave it at my house , I promise I will turn on the set up everyday for you ..... ;D ;D
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on September 02, 2011, 11:42
Is been long time i've never turn on my setup / never but records / or step into hifi shop hahaha  :P....
 BTW i love ur spk design and the color too  :)

Saw your 4x4 road trip...nothing beats the great open grounds in the wild!!  ;D
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: atx2 on September 02, 2011, 11:42
Maybe You can leave it at my house , I promise I will turn on the set up everyday for you ..... ;D ;D

No need lah bro ,i know u for so long already later i pass u my house key. hahahaha
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on September 02, 2011, 11:43
We should write to Yter and request for a "Lion city special edition" spk cable consisting of twice the gauge thickness :)

Believe it or not...I have already sent in my request!!

No news yet   :(

Btw, good to see you here L4N  ;D
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on September 02, 2011, 12:14
Different in a positive way I'm sure.

I hope so
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: abc on September 02, 2011, 12:45
I know 3 bros using Guarneri memento. They are many other owners of the GM too I'm sure. The size and foot print makes the Guarneri series a good "full range" wonderful looking spks in most of our aprtment/ HDB size rooms.

Interesting it seems this Memento users are so low profile.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on September 02, 2011, 14:34
Interesting it seems this Memento users are so low profile.

I know an owner of a pawnshop located at Bedok Interchange is using a pair of Mementos driven by Jadis JA80, CAT preamplifier, Marantz SA7.  He has a few Titanium mountain bikes too.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: abc on September 02, 2011, 14:49
I know an owner of a pawnshop located at Bedok Interchange is using a pair of Mementos driven by Jadis JA80, CAT preamplifier, Marantz SA7.  He has a few Titanium mountain bikes too.

If i am not wrong his son is riding a Seven sola Titanium bike. Back to topic, what's the different between the Memento vs Evo? I understand that the Memento is designed by Franco Serblin and if i am not wrong it is using some YTER inner wire inside. Does the Evo still have the house sound of SF since Franco had since left to build his own Ktema speaker?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: jmohd on September 02, 2011, 20:14
Bro your speaker even nicer!!  :o

(http://www.soundscapehifi.com/images/tt-jun20-7.jpg)

Bro, the picture was in his small room

This is his current .. bigger room for big speakers :)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_REPbEg1Qn9A/SlYt16tk-JI/AAAAAAAABBo/277e1uojCZg/s1600/jsf1.bmp)

Another owner in SG

(http://www.google.com.sg/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://www.modularaudio.com.sg/Cust_swth2_frontview.jpg&sa=X&ei=_8JgTumGJ8b3rQe5kbj6Dw&ved=0CAcQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNFsdcIJuarO6a3mNGugMTrg91tmUw)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on September 02, 2011, 21:04
If i am not wrong his son is riding a Seven sola Titanium bike. Back to topic, what's the different between the Memento vs Evo? I understand that the Memento is designed by Franco Serblin and if i am not wrong it is using some YTER inner wire inside. Does the Evo still have the house sound of SF since Franco had since left to build his own Ktema speaker?

I remember he had a Merlin with full XTR too other than Seven cycle.    Have not heard the Evo but it should sound similar to my Futura - it should sound faster and more neutral compared to the Guarneri Homage that I used to own.  Have not heard Memento in a home setup, so cannot comment on it.  In another forum, there is speculation that Yter is still being used in the current series but it was never confirmed or stated in any specs.    As for the Ktema, heard it in a friend's home last week driven by a integrated tube and Krell amp.  Based on what what I hear, it is still very much like the old SF house sound.  Will have to listen again when my friend get a much more powerful tube/transistor amp which he has not decided yet.  Btw, the Ktema does not sound good with a digital amp, he sold the amp soon after he bought the Ktema.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: xerox on September 06, 2011, 11:33
Any brother use Yter powercord already? Any feedback?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on September 09, 2011, 13:51
xerox, yter cables have an unique fluid, coherent yet ultra dynamic and transparent sonic signature. Their powercords are no exception. Just to note that their pc gauge is not very high, so it will give excellent result with source, preamp, int amp and moderate size power amp but not that adequate with hefty power amps.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on September 09, 2011, 23:01
xerox, yter cables have an unique fluid, coherent yet ultra dynamic and transparent sonic signature. Their powercords are no exception. Just to note that their pc gauge is not very high, so it will give excellent result with source, preamp, int amp and moderate size power amp but not that adequate with hefty power amps.

So far only heard the balance interconnects and spkr cables and L4N comments is 100% accurate.  Yter cables is very potent, once you hear it in your system, you will want to buy it.  As for powercord, I will decide after I can T loan a set to try on my system.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: xerox on September 09, 2011, 23:05
I am using a pair for my Guaneri. Love it, but wondering what can the powercord do to my setup.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on September 09, 2011, 23:12
I am using a pair for my Guaneri. Love it, but wondering what can the powercord do to my setup.

2 weeks ago, was at HER and Philip showed me the powercord.  Maybe you can talk to Philip and Anthony and convince them to T-loan you.  I think the only person who has got full system of Yter, from powercord, interconnects to spkr cables is L4N. 
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: xerox on September 09, 2011, 23:13
Unlikely to be able to t-loan..... but will try to buy one for the source to try. :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: clitang on September 10, 2011, 12:12
Unlikely to be able to t-loan..... but will try to buy one for the source to try. :)

May I ask how much is the Yter PC?

I am using Yter SC, cusious to find out how the Yter Interconnect and PC sounds like in my setup.

Thank you
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: xerox on September 10, 2011, 12:17
May I ask how much is the Yter PC?

I am using Yter SC, cusious to find out how the Yter Interconnect and PC sounds like in my setup.

Thank you

PM you....
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Lorenzo on September 10, 2011, 15:53
PM you....

can pm me as well? do you by any chance know how much a pair of 1m rca interconnect cost?  I only know the spker cable hw much hehe
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on September 10, 2011, 18:00
The 1m RCA costs about 20% less than the 3m pair SC, same goes for the 1.5m pc.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Lorenzo on September 10, 2011, 20:47
The 1m RCA costs about 20% less than the 3m pair SC, same goes for the 1.5m pc.

thanks for the info bro.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: hyper on September 11, 2011, 18:23
Hi guys... me SF fan, not hardcore but I appreciate its sound. Warm and lush.

The best part is I drive them with Rotels.... luving it. Cheap and good!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on September 11, 2011, 22:26
Hi guys... me SF fan, not hardcore but I appreciate its sound. Warm and lush.

The best part is I drive them with Rotels.... luving it. Cheap and good!

Welcome....need not be hardcore to be a fan  :)

Glad to hear you are driving your pair of SF well with Rotels...I am sure its a good buy!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: hyper on September 11, 2011, 22:39
Welcome....need not be hardcore to be a fan  :)

Glad to hear you are driving your pair of SF well with Rotels...I am sure its a good buy!

Thanks.... anyone have any idea how much is a pair of Liuto now? Does HER do any trade ins for older SF? I have no time to go around selling speakers in 2nd hand market. :(
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on September 12, 2011, 11:32
Thanks.... anyone have any idea how much is a pair of Liuto now? Does HER do any trade ins for older SF? I have no time to go around selling speakers in 2nd hand market. :(

Hi there, you can always call HER to check the price. They do take in your existing SF spks as part of the deal, but value may be subjective. Do call up Jenson AV and Jung Heng also to check how much they'll offer for your existing SF spks, so you'll have a good idea of the baseline value.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on September 13, 2011, 13:58
Some interesting numbers on the new Accordo  :)

(http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx240/larevoj/Evolution/FrancoSerblinAccordioPreview.jpg)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on September 13, 2011, 22:50
The last couple of days I got a couple of audiophiles visits and its all good fun...but today I got an opportunity to double run yter into my GE and have a listen to compare the difference.

I knew what it will do as I have heard it on Cremona Auditor M at my place and Amati Anniversario at HER and in both setups it was a positive improvement on SQ. Yet I wasn't quite sure how it wound sound on my GE since its a different speaker altogether...in my room and comparing with Cremona Auditor M the result is astounding and more apparent. It cleared all my doubts and I started switching familiar tracks after tracks to be sure overall timing is coherent, retains its transparency and accuracy - it gave a holographic dimension to instruments or music played where ambiance and depth came to life. I was awe struck...can only imagine how it would sound if I replace all my IC to yter...

Highly recommended.  :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: xerox on September 13, 2011, 23:01
Go for another run of Yter! hahaha
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on September 13, 2011, 23:37
The last couple of days I got a couple of audiophiles visits and its all good fun...but today I got an opportunity to double run yter into my GE and have a listen to compare the difference.

I knew what it will do as I have heard it on Cremona Auditor M at my place and Amati Anniversario at HER and in both setups it was a positive improvement on SQ. Yet I wasn't quite sure how it wound sound on my GE since its a different speaker altogether...in my room and comparing with Cremona Auditor M the result is astounding and more apparent. It cleared all my doubts and I started switching familiar tracks after tracks to be sure overall timing is coherent, retains its transparency and accuracy - it gave a holographic dimension to instruments or music played where ambiance and depth came to life. I was awe struck...can only imagine how it would sound if I replace all my IC to yter...

Highly recommended.  :)

Only very seasoned yter sc can bring about such instant improvement :)
Can only get better with yter ic in the equation.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on September 13, 2011, 23:42
Only very seasoned yter sc can bring about such instant improvement :)
Can only get better with yter ic in the equation.

Thanks for offering yours!!  :)

Also your tips and tricks on a number of items e.g. power supply, ICs, 'minor' room adjustments, etc. and I am glad you enjoyed your session in my simple setup. Hope to have the pleasure to hear yours one day...cheers!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on September 13, 2011, 23:52
You have a very fine sounding set up already, am sure it is also sounding much better than the demo set at HER.

Good choice matching your GE with Bryston amps, now I can add Bryston into the "good books of Sonus faber" :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on September 13, 2011, 23:59
Go for another run of Yter! hahaha

Very happy with the current setup...maybe...maybe not. Let's see...  :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: xerox on September 14, 2011, 00:03
@mousike wow make very tempt to listen to your setup after so many positive comment. :p
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on September 14, 2011, 00:31
You have a very fine sounding set up already, am sure it is also sounding much better than the demo set at HER.

Good choice matching your GE with Bryston amps, now I can add Bryston into the "good books of Sonus faber" :)

Thanks...I am glad it works out too.  :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on September 14, 2011, 00:31
@mousike wow make very tempt to listen to your setup after so many positive comment. :p

Let me know...cheers!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on September 14, 2011, 17:31
Here is a picture of double run...got to give it a try if you are looking at a great pair of speaker cables...  :)

(http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx240/larevoj/Evolution/IMG_6157.jpg)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: xerox on September 14, 2011, 17:33
Don't know how to double run with my Naim + GAM.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: xerox on September 14, 2011, 17:43
Franco Serblin Accordo wondering if it will hit our shore? he he he

http://www.bm.rs/Serblin/Franco%20Serblin%20Accordio%20Preview.pdf 
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on September 14, 2011, 17:44
Don't know how to double run with my Naim + GAM.

Actually you can.

However you need to purchase the yter spades, insert it into the banana plugs of one pair of yter cables and clamp down by the speaker terminals. The next pair insert into the same terminal using banana plugs. Effectively in principle you are increasing the cable gauge into the speakers therefore reducing resistance. I tried the same on my last pair of Cremona Auditor M and hear the same improvement but the GE leap in SQ is more apparent and this could possibly due to dedicated terminals to HF and LF drivers - also its better speaker in comparison. I suspect the GAM may have the same effect...

Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: xerox on September 14, 2011, 17:51
i think for the speaker i can use spade + banana but for the amp side it us almost impossible.

(http://free0.hiboox.com/images/1411/2cfa65a63f9d6c9a53ae20f29982951c.jpg)

BTW, do you find the Yter is a tad bass shy?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: naimster on September 14, 2011, 18:39
At naim end, add a spade to banana adapter which has an additional hole for banana plug spk cable to be inserted.alternatively determinate yter.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on September 14, 2011, 18:51
alternatively determinate yter.

I knew experts will come to the rescue  ;D

However, I will try not to terminate the banana plugs from yter as it is made of the same material of the cable for performance consistency and terminating it will change its characteristics. Also reale would be an issue.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on September 14, 2011, 19:48
Here is a picture of double run...got to give it a try if you are looking at a great pair of speaker cables...  :)

(http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx240/larevoj/Evolution/IMG_6157.jpg)

Hi Mousike, the Evo comes with biwired terminals.  So are you running biwire or/and shotgun configuration with your Yter?  If you are running shotgun and biwire, you will need at least 3 or 4 sets of Yter, very costly exercise.  I am now running biwire configuration only.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: xerox on September 14, 2011, 20:11
Hmmm i think i stick with a single pair of Yter. :) use the money on other stuff.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on September 14, 2011, 20:15
It's actually bi-wire, in any case, still freeing up resistance and increasing contact surface for both HF and LF, and proven to be highly beneficial sonically in both yours and mousike's case.

Who wants to be the first hero to bi-wire + shortgun using yter sc? You? mousike?  :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: xerox on September 14, 2011, 20:38
Bi-wire + shotgun  :o
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Lorenzo on September 14, 2011, 20:49
confirm nap nap alrdy.  I think like tt your speaker cost for bi-wire + shotgun is close to 5 figure le haha

throw in interconnect and powercord confirm 5 figure haha
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: xerox on September 14, 2011, 20:53
The Evo is already 5 figure already hahaha. Yter shot-gun + bi-wire + powercord + IC confirm 5 figure.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: jimi on September 14, 2011, 21:20
Hmmm i think i stick with a single pair of Yter. :) use the money on other stuff.

Do try a double run, I think it makes the difference between an ok cable and a great cable.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: xerox on September 14, 2011, 21:41
Do try a double run, I think it makes the difference between an ok cable and a great cable.

Thanks Jimi, let me run-in the existing yter and see how it goes.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on September 14, 2011, 22:40
Who wants to be the first hero to bi-wire + shortgun using yter sc? You? mousike?  :)

Boy oh boy...not sure if its the haze+fire from Indonesia heating up this thread!  :D

Bi-wire + Shotgun...I am sweating it...  8)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on September 14, 2011, 23:23
It's actually bi-wire, in any case, still freeing up resistance and increasing contact surface for both HF and LF, and proven to be highly beneficial sonically in both yours and mousike's case.

Who wants to be the first hero to bi-wire + shortgun using yter sc? You? mousike?  :)

No lah, not now.  Will conserve some $$$$ for now.  Don't poison me leh.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on September 14, 2011, 23:25

BTW, do you find the Yter is a tad bass shy?

For single run, the bass is lean but very fast and tactile.  With double run or biwire, the bass really comes into its own.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: xerox on September 14, 2011, 23:52
Wow 4 x Cremona M. Any reason for this kind of arrangement?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on September 15, 2011, 10:51
Wow 4 x Cremona M. Any reason for this kind of arrangement?

There is a SF Musica integrated amp too.  My friend bought a set from HER recently and it sounded great driving his Guarneri Homage spkers.  I think the Musica is no longer in production and it is a great amp
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Kopi on September 15, 2011, 13:43
Been having the Amati Homage for a while now. Thinking of either Anniversarios or Elipsa. Is that a worthwhile upgrade? Sonically will there be enough diff? I understand that the mid-bass in the older Homage series is still bigger than the Anniversarios..is it true? Of course, nothing beats going down for a listen to compare...but just wanted some viewpoints here to see if it is worth a trip down.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: abc on September 23, 2011, 00:07
Any kind bro can tell me how much a pair of Guaneri Memento cost? If not convenient to reveal, pls pm me. Thanks
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on September 23, 2011, 00:40
Any kind bro can tell me how much a pair of Guaneri Memento cost? If not convenient to reveal, pls pm me. Thanks

I think Xerox has a pair of Guarneri Memento  :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on September 30, 2011, 23:31
W
Guys, saw this in SF facebook and they received the best listening room award Top Audio Video Show in Milano and Amati futura speakers received the hi-fi top award!  ;D

(http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/310811_10150380570811064_75096556063_9893148_1017705090_n.jpg)

(http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/310811_10150380570831064_75096556063_9893151_1089958682_n.jpg)

Wow, very nice setup.  btw, what power amps are those?  Looks like Audio Research.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on October 01, 2011, 09:38
Wow, very nice setup.  btw, what power amps are those?  Looks like Audio Research.

They are...hey ever tried putting a huge slab of granite underneath yours? This setup was done by SF and I have seen a number other shows done this way too.  :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on October 01, 2011, 10:39
They are...hey ever tried putting a huge slab of granite underneath yours? This setup was done by SF and I have seen a number other shows done this way too.  :)

I can't as I am sitting very near the speakers. If I place a granit underneath, the tweeter position will be much higher.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: jimi on October 01, 2011, 11:38
I can't as I am sitting very near the speakers. If I place a granit underneath, the tweeter position will be much higher.

Easy, need another one under ur chair them.

Might help to stop u vibrating too ;)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on October 01, 2011, 11:49
Easy, need another one under ur chair them.

Might help to stop u vibrating too ;)

hahahaha!!! A brilliant idea!! I had a good laugh at this suggestion...on second thought not a bad suggestion at all or a higher chair. I got a feel that the mids and bass would be a bigger diff after.

That piece of stone look at least 4 inches I think and at that size it may exceed a 100kg?? That leads me to another question...what is the max load per meter square in HDB versus condo versus landed??
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: dXter on October 01, 2011, 11:52
iirc 150kg/m-sq for hdb.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on October 01, 2011, 13:59
Looks like a slab of synthetic marble (not granite) underneath each of the futura, at least 70 to 80 kg I would think. For Sf floorstanders, this was first adopted with the Concerto grand piano. It has some improvement on cleaning up the low freq, making it sound more neutral and less warm. Probably trying to tune the same way too in that Milano show.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on October 01, 2011, 14:01
Easy, need another one under ur chair them.

Might help to stop u vibrating too ;)

Haha, or have it under the listener's buxx for more effective direct contact :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on October 01, 2011, 14:20
Looks like a slab of synthetic marble (not granite) underneath each of the futura, at least 70 to 80 kg I would think. For Sf floorstanders, this was first adopted with the Concerto grand piano. It has some improvement on cleaning up the low freq, making it sound more neutral and less warm. Probably trying to tune the same way too in that Milano show.

Hmm...The Futura doesn't sound the same versus traditional SF house sound which is on the 'warm' side but I hate to use the word warm as it also refers to slow and overly colored...a rich tonality would perhaps describe it better? I would think Futura is organically neutral so it kind of puzzled me when I saw a slab of marble underneath and spikes directly coupled. I think it has to do with carpet flooring too...

Would be interesting to hear the difference
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on October 01, 2011, 14:25

(http://euphonia-audioforum.se/timbre/home/Sonus0023.JPG)


It's a Sonus faber on the outside but Ken Ishiwata of Marantz on the inside :)

http://www.dutchaudioclassics.nl/interview_with_ken_ishiwata/

Sonus faber Quid is fully developed in house, and even more sought after.

http://www.tnt-audio.com/ampli/sonuse.html
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on October 01, 2011, 14:41
It's a Sonus faber on the outside but Ken Ishiwata of Marantz on the inside :)

http://www.dutchaudioclassics.nl/interview_with_ken_ishiwata/

Sonus faber Quid is fully developed in house, and even more sought after.

http://www.tnt-audio.com/ampli/sonuse.html

Nothing beats the guru  :D

I didn't know they make stereo amps too!

(http://i60.servimg.com/u/f60/14/80/43/64/sonus210.jpg)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on October 01, 2011, 14:55
Think they've figured that making and selling spekaers make better business :)

The Musica does sound beautiful driving the original Cremona and Cremona auditor.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on October 09, 2011, 19:46
Fresh from the print!  :)
http://www.audioaficionado.org/attachments/sonus-faber/12505d1317962937-guarneri-evolution-review-sf-guarneri-evo1111web.pdf (http://www.audioaficionado.org/attachments/sonus-faber/12505d1317962937-guarneri-evolution-review-sf-guarneri-evo1111web.pdf)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on October 10, 2011, 11:28
Great review by Ken Kessler. He has always been a fan of the Guarneri since the 1st Homage. 
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on October 23, 2011, 22:43
Some nice videos...  :)

http://www.youtube.com/v/i11t5RhLkD0&feature=related&fs=1

http://www.youtube.com/v/ziaNSpOTj6s&feature=related&fs=1
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on November 01, 2011, 15:42
Hi Guys...SF will soon release a new ref model trickle down from TSF a.k.a. The Fenice. The new model - Aida would be launch in November/December 2011 and speculate at US120K...After Aida there will be one more model beween Aida and Futura with a total of 5 new models in their reference series...  :)

http://www.youtube.com/v/XAlZaNXqhgU&feature=youtu.be&hd=1&fs=1
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Hyperion on November 01, 2011, 22:04
I'm asking myself if there will be one too many... Three models over the Futura in the ref. line?!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on November 01, 2011, 22:56
Hi Guys...SF will soon release a new ref model trickle down from TSF a.k.a. The Fenice. The new model - Aida would be launch in November/December 2011 and speculate at US120K...After Aida there will be one more model beween Aida and Futura with a total of 5 new models in their reference series...  :)

http://www.youtube.com/v/XAlZaNXqhgU&feature=youtu.be&hd=1&fs=1

Yes, I heard the news last week as well.  Wondering who will be the 1st owner in Singapore.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on November 02, 2011, 08:12
I'm asking myself if there will be one too many... Three models over the Futura in the ref. line?!

It is hard to tell...we will have to see and listen to the difference. Certainly these are priced way up the scale targeting a different group of customer. It better be good!  ;)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on November 02, 2011, 08:16
Yes, I heard the news last week as well.  Wondering who will be the 1st owner in Singapore.

The teaser did gave some tell tale signs of its overall look and it does have some design similarity to TSF...
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Chowbotak on November 16, 2011, 23:09
Any users of the Minima Vintage here? Not a fan of modern spks so wondering if users or those who have auditioned them can give their views whether they sound anything like the old SFs? I am shortlisting them and the GP which I owned many years ago. Will use them exclusively for vocals, jazz, classical, and easy listening music. And btw, how much does a pair of matching SF stands cost? Thanks!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: highnotes on November 17, 2011, 00:46
I am thinking of getting a pair of SF liuto tower. Read that it needs abt at least 70-80 cm distance from back wall. This measurement is to the back of speaker or the front baffle?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on November 23, 2011, 12:12
Aida Launch Countdown - http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=Aida+Launch&month=12&day=10&year=2011&hour=19&min=00&sec=00&p0=889 (http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=Aida+Launch&month=12&day=10&year=2011&hour=19&min=00&sec=00&p0=889)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s320x320/376377_262824243765308_200202806694119_712650_1400799497_n.jpg)      :D
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Charcoal on December 10, 2011, 02:00
X'mas sale : $9k for Cremona M SE, in Hong Kong :-\
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: bigtree on December 14, 2011, 10:20
Thot mousike will post this...

(http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/387937_192693124154585_100002416955344_391643_731256447_n.jpg)

(http://www.avcat.jp/avnews/2011/sonusaida10.jpg)

Specs for Aida

Cost: €80,000

One of the basic elements of Sonus faber is the beauty of its products, understood as a relationship between form and function that satisfies both. In this sense, Aida inherits from The Sonus faber revisiting of that harmony which has made ​​the fortune of the house.

It was once the shape of lute, in The Sonus faber was the lyre, in Aida further evolution obtained with the dual-wave curve, right out of the structural concept developed for The Sonus faber: an inner wall and outer wing are separated by an uncoupling system consists of a visco-foil insulation material, with the aim of representing a complex system of resonance damping, if not a break with the past, a big step forward from the idea the speaker as a tool that vibrates according to the music! Also from the "laboratory" The Sonus faber borrowed other solutions are taken on this occasion: the kinetic-thermal conversion system called "mass damper" (used in Aida in two forms), the agreement para-periodic "stealth camera" and the system of indirect lighting, adjustable, "Sound Field Shaper".

Also borrowed from The Sonus faber is the system of decoupling from the floor, but in this case is repeated with a new solution in the light of the presence of a woofer for lower frequencies positioned to exploit the effect of soil called ZVT (Zero Vibration Transmission Bow Sprig) decoupling takes place through a kind of leaf spring suspension with controlled flexibility associated with progressive yielding elastomers.

Aida introduces a further element consists of the choice of speakers used. Finally, the speakers: they are often compared to the engine and a speaker above these "engines" were proposed to Sonus faber (often in the preview) from various manufacturers, in an exchange of knowledge between those who must work on the one hand, starting from the theory and who on the other hand, based on predefined stakes testing results in practice. Aida instead started from the needs of the project (and a base of accumulated experience), developing home-specific solutions and want to then contact the manufacturers closer to home in Vicenza, to make the ad hoc components (and therefore used and found "only" products in the home).

Finally Listening: at a glance Aida has nothing to envy to The Sonus faber: we are dealing with a speaker that for technical content and performance is being proposed as the same price of 80,000 euros indicates, on the top step of the scale of values ​​with a significant jump compared to traditional placement of the house.


The technical

Dimensions: 172.5 x 48.2 x 78 cm (HxWxD)
Weight: 330 kg
Type: Floor Standing
Power (W): 100-1000
Impedance (Ohm): 4
Frequency (Hz): 55 - 180 - 250 - 3000
Freq (Hz): 20 to 35,000
Sensitivity (dB): 92
All drivers made by Sonus faber: 1 XTR-06 dome tweeter - 1 XTR-08 18 cm midrange, 2 XTR-12w woofers 22 cm, 1 SW-32 XT-08 Sub 32 cm
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: hotbird on December 14, 2011, 10:50
(http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/387937_192693124154585_100002416955344_391643_731256447_n.jpg)

Years ago, Usher was inspired by Sonus Faber, so now it is the reverse  ;D ;D ;D
(http://cybwiz.zenfolio.com/img/v4/p804135783-5.jpg)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on December 14, 2011, 12:34
Years ago, Usher was inspired by Sonus Faber, so now it is the reverse  ;D ;D ;D

To force usher to come out with something different :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: bigtree on December 15, 2011, 11:58
wah~ HK having good deal on SF SE!

HKD 53, 800 -> $8.6k!

**edit** Please consider issues such as warranty, cost of shipping, future repairs etc...before plunging into overseas purchase. Otherwise just buy at local agent.

(http://www.review33.com/ad/sonusfaber/ad20111206/Sonus_dealer.jpg)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on December 30, 2011, 11:51
I am thinking of getting a pair of SF liuto tower. Read that it needs abt at least 70-80 cm distance from back wall. This measurement is to the back of speaker or the front baffle?

Yes indeed, esp if they are rear ported. Ideally it is good to leave space of at least 30 to 60 cm from the rear of speaker to the wall. Too close to the wall and the presentation may be congested, also bass may be out of proportion.

Hope you have gotten one, especially the Liuto wood version which has a very good value proposition among all current Sonus faber models. Real wood cabinet construction, top grade craftsmanship, plus fully made in Italy. Sound wise, it is almost full range and carries the trade mark Sonus faber sweet sound too.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: atari on December 30, 2011, 16:41
Hi i am new to this forum so please pardon me for asking couple of question. I realized that there is not much mentioned about this brand in this brand as compared to others and also from this tread it covers most of Sonus's higher offering and not much on the entry Liuto, Toy model.

I am looking at speakers and was wondering how it compared to other offering like Dynaudio, B&W and Proac. Is SF speaker typically warmish and slow sounding which sound good on vocal only?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: theng_ye on December 30, 2011, 17:42
@atari, i also found most of the Sf forumer use higher end series.

I am a Sonus faber toy monitor owner, personally feel that the newer model such as Luito, Toy is different from old model.
It sound faster and sweet. I would like to say the vocal and instrument presentation is very good on my Toy monitor.

No idea about other brand. Fall in love with Sf sound signature.

Cheers~


Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on December 30, 2011, 17:52
Hi atari, there is a good story behind this brand with the original founder Franco Serblin. Basically not only he made his speakers functional, but he also revolutionized how the cabinets were made and how they should appear. In the world stage, Sonus faber is no less well known than the other giants such as B&W and Focal. Speakers made under his care have more emphasis in the critical human listening zone, i.e. he tended to pay more attention in the mid range frequency performance than the extreme ends. Thus, his speakers tended to sound more "romantic" than dynamic or glaring.

He has sold the business since 2008 and the new Sf team is taking a different approach, to make the speakers sound more modern and more feature packed. No right or wrong, just different marketing strategy.

The Liuto and toy range were launched during the transition, in which they still carry most of the traditional Sonus faber house sound. The team probably just tweaked some of the designs left over by FS to make these ranges. Considering the sound quality, workmanship, material, and country of origin (Italy), these basic ranges is still cost competitive among all the European brands.

The local distributor for Sonus faber is Highend Research. The appropriate way to describe their retailing and marketing method is that they are still quite traditional. Other than having their own blog, they are not aggressive in their advertising with the new media. Instead they rely on their long term customer base, offering competitive pricing, and makes presence in annual audio show. They don't really target the younger audiophiles in general, thus their products are not discussed as much like the other brands. For example, I got to know their plan to launch the Sonus faber flagship a while ago, and took my own initiative to post the event info for them. They probably spent a couple of thousands paying for the hotel ball room, food and wine, but paid zero on marketing, but that's what they are like :)

Do feel free to post your questions here, the fellow Sf enthusiasts in XP here will try to provide the exchange :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on December 30, 2011, 18:16
Hi Atari, L4N summarized it very well on SF and how its sound had evolved over the years.

Its current range had a sound that is more current, faster or more dynamic, digs deeper, has a sweet high and yet still retain some of its warm mids SF is famous for. I am not familiar with the Liuto or Toy range but within SF the "house" sound is similar with a little twist between models and more refine as you move up. A different brand or make would give you an entirely different sound and its apparent...

The brands you mentioned all sound very different in tonality, presentation, design, etc. You will have to audition them to hear the differences...I would also suggest to audition them in a home environment to have a better idea because showroom audition can sound VERY different from home.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: atari on December 30, 2011, 22:26
Thanks for the kind response, so i assumed those model <2008 by Franco will have more emphasis on mid and typically warm. May i know whats those pre 2008 model, is it those Cremona range only? I had a chance to listen to an ex colleague's Gryphon with SF Cremona Auditor, it is a short audit but it leave me a deep impression of the sound which is kinda warm and lush sounding. If i not wrong he was playing "Allegro Moderato" at that time, the lush violin sound so mesmerizing.

I would not say it is the most accurate sounding as compared to other brand of speaker but most importantly it is not fatiguing.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on December 30, 2011, 23:35
You are right directionally. But the later Sf models still sounds quite rich and lush by the audio industry standards.

Of the current Sonus faber range, the Stradivari, Amati Anniversario, Guarneri Memento & Elipsa are FS' final products.

Cremona M, Cremona auditor M, Liuto, and toy are developed during the transition period.

The Sonus faber (The Fernice), Amati futura, Guarneri Evolution and the newest Aida are fully developed by the newer Sf team.

The sound signature transition progressd as such more or less too.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: bigtree on January 12, 2012, 12:41
SF Aida in CES 2012

(http://www.soundstageglobal.com/images/igallery/resized/401-500/NKN_1760-479-675-450-90-wm-right_bottom-100-ssnwatermark2png.jpg)

(http://www.soundstageglobal.com/images/stories/lasvegas2012/aida_690w.jpg)

The bottom-firing 13" woofer for deep bass.

(http://www.soundstageglobal.com/images/igallery/resized/401-500/NKN_1749-478-675-450-90-wm-right_bottom-100-ssnwatermark2png.jpg)

(http://www.soundstageglobal.com/images/stories/lasvegas2012/aida_bottom_690w.jpg)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on January 12, 2012, 13:44
2 weeks ago I checked with HER and they told me it should be in their showroom before CNY.  Has anyone heard it yet? 
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: atari on January 12, 2012, 22:38
btw realized SF speaker comes with default stand, can it be used with other stand? The SF stands look very different from those commercial offering.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on January 13, 2012, 12:55
Actually, all stands for Sonus faber spks are optional, the only one that comes complete with dedicated stand is the Guarneri. For the other bookshelf models, yes they fit and look perfectly with the dedicated optional stands. It is also designed to couple well with the speakers (most Sf stands have finger nuts to lock cabinet to stand) to achieve mechanical integrity. Also, most Sf stands have a racking angle, which imo, may not be the most optimal for various listening environment. So, it is ok to try using Sf spks with other stands, if one is willing to compromise on the overall appearance or stability, in order to explore effect of different height/ angle.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: atari on January 13, 2012, 14:20
I realized the Guarneri stand seems to elevate the speaker too high and it is not on ear level from the typical listening chair or sofa but they look great on their stand though.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: naimster on January 13, 2012, 14:31
I realized the Guarneri stand seems to elevate the speaker too high and it is not on ear level from the typical listening chair or sofa but they look great on their stand though.
That's because Guarneri intended listening height is somewhere near the bass unit.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: atari on January 13, 2012, 22:25
That's because Guarneri intended listening height is somewhere near the bass unit.

That interesting i thought ear should be at tweeter level. How's the sound of the Guarneri, there seems no mention in this tread. Seem like an unpopular model as the price is much higher than Cremona Auditor M and same to Cremona M floorstander if i am not wrong.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on January 13, 2012, 23:52
That interesting i thought ear should be at tweeter level. How's the sound of the Guarneri, there seems no mention in this tread. Seem like an unpopular model as the price is much higher than Cremona Auditor M and same to Cremona M floorstander if i am not wrong.

The early Guarneri Homage listening level is the ear should be at the woofer level.  Once you compare the Guarneri (memento or Evo) to the Cremona Audtior M, you will understand why the Guarneri cost so much more.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: atari on January 14, 2012, 00:25
The early Guarneri Homage listening level is the ear should be at the woofer level.  Once you compare the Guarneri (memento or Evo) to the Cremona Audtior M, you will understand why the Guarneri cost so much more.

ah.... so far i only saw 1 bro with Evo here and but no Memento.  ;D Maybe need to hear the different between cremona/evo/memento.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Lorenzo on January 14, 2012, 10:12
ah.... so far i only saw 1 bro with Evo here and but no Memento.  ;D Maybe need to hear the different between cremona/evo/memento.

cremona and evo difference is huge.  totally diff league.  I heard it one of the bro's setup. same equipment etc. but cremona has more running hours and the evo is barely burnt in.   However, the SQ on the evo is alot more better than the cremona.  no experience on memento though hehe
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: clitang on January 14, 2012, 10:24
2 weeks ago I checked with HER and they told me it should be in their showroom before CNY.  Has anyone heard it yet? 

Are you referring to the Aida? I heard it in the CES 2012 show. Much better then the perious top of the line model. SF guys said the previous model was only for them to learn and test from it. They only produced 30 pairs. Now, the Aida is the improved model.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on January 14, 2012, 11:09
Are you referring to the Aida? I heard it in the CES 2012 show. Much better then the perious top of the line model. SF guys said the previous model was only for them to learn and test from it. They only produced 30 pairs. Now, the Aida is the improved model.

Yes, I'm referring to the Aida
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on January 14, 2012, 11:31
Are you referring to the Aida? I heard it in the CES 2012 show. Much better then the perious top of the line model. SF guys said the previous model was only for them to learn and test from it. They only produced 30 pairs. Now, the Aida is the improved model.

Lucky you!

Users paid for them to learn and test? Those who paid so much for the flagship ( The Sonus faber a.k.a. The Fenice) must have regretted now :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread Guarneri Memento Vs Evolution
Post by: mother3251 on January 19, 2012, 21:38
Hi Everyone,
I am a new member from today, I have owned Sonus fabers since the Electa days, however now I have had Guarnerie Homage's since 2005, and thinking of upgrading.(also used with REL Stadium active subwoofer)
I would really appreciate your members advice on their thoughts of whether I should look at the Memento's or the new Evolution
Best Regards,
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread Guarneri Memento Vs Evolution
Post by: mousike on January 20, 2012, 06:01
Hi Mother3251, in my opinion both Memento and Evolution are great speakers.

There are both Guarneri but they sound VERY different. I had a opportunity to consider the same propositions as you have several months ago and I decided to go with Evolution for a number of reasons. I will list down my straight forward opinions below:

1) Dynamic
2) Speed
3) Scale
4) Transparency yet still retains some mid warmth
5) Overall balance
6) Wide soundstage
7) Less room fussy
8) Doesn't boom in my small room
9) Amazing highs - smooth and not fatigue
10) Goes low, deep and control

You will have to audition it to hear the difference and you will hear what I meant above.

Cheers!  :)


Hi Everyone,
I am a new member from today, I have owned Sonus fabers since the Electa days, however now I have had Guarnerie Homage's since 2005, and thinking of upgrading.(also used with REL Stadium active subwoofer)
I would really appreciate your members advice on their thoughts of whether I should look at the Memento's or the new Evolution
Best Regards,
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on January 20, 2012, 11:34
I fully agree with bro Mousike.  Having owned the Guarneri Homage for at least 10 yrs, I am very familiar with its sound.  The Guarneri Homage is an excellent speaker.  However, the improvement in the Memento and especially the Evo is obvious.  The Evo can play louder, sound more dynamic, has much better lower bass response and everything else as mentioned by bro Mousike.  Go to High End Reseearch for an audition and you will be impressed. 

Hi Mother3251, in my opinion both Memento and Evolution are great speakers.

There are both Guarneri but they sound VERY different. I had a opportunity to consider the same propositions as you have several months ago and I decided to go with Evolution for a number of reasons. I will list down my straight forward opinions below:

1) Dynamic
2) Speed
3) Scale
4) Transparency yet still retains some mid warmth
5) Overall balance
6) Wide soundstage
7) Less room fussy
8) Doesn't boom in my small room
9) Amazing highs - smooth and not fatigue
10) Goes low, deep and control

You will have to audition it to hear the difference and you will hear what I meant above.

Cheers!  :)


Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on January 20, 2012, 14:22
+1.

The G evo excels better in the technical areas, while the G memento has slight edge on the midrange magic and soul.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on January 20, 2012, 15:33
Hi Everyone,
I am a new member from today, I have owned Sonus fabers since the Electa days, however now I have had Guarnerie Homage's since 2005, and thinking of upgrading.(also used with REL Stadium active subwoofer)
I would really appreciate your members advice on their thoughts of whether I should look at the Memento's or the new Evolution
Best Regards,


Just an alternative idea, do you also want to explore replacing your REL sub with a JL audio sub and retain your GH?

As JL audio sub has built in room eq feature to help integrate with your system and environment (supplement the required dose while not overloading), and also its drive train is one of the fastest in the market. This way you will get to improve on the freq range, dynamics and stage without giving up the many offerings from the GH. By changing to one of the newer G, while you may gain much you would also loss a bit. IMO, the GH is still a prized collection, its magical mid and overall musicality is still a class act even in today's context.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on January 20, 2012, 15:54
Yes, I'm referring to the Aida

Btw and just for interest, i realized it should be pronounced as Ah-e-da, instead of i-da :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: atari on January 21, 2012, 00:50
+1.

The G evo excels better in the technical areas, while the G memento has slight edge on the midrange magic and soul.

Hi if you don't mind, care to elaborate the part about Memento slight edge on the midrange magic and soul? I have an impression and from feedback of the bro here it seem the Evo is a better speaker as compared to Menento. Both are price quite close as well so it won't make sense for anyone to go for Memento right?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on January 21, 2012, 11:17
atari, may be the best way to put it is that if one were to select the best bookshelf speakers among the current Sonus faber range which can offer the best high-fidelity performance, then the G evo is the one that fits the bill as it does perform better in most of the departments.

While for someone who is particularly looking for a richer, more evolving midrange and more of that traditional Sonus faber signature sound and not as critical in the other departments, then the G mememto would fulfill (likely to be a Sonus faber connoisseur, or one looking for something particular in his second or third set up).

So you may be right, playing the G evo side by side the G mememto, and most would pick the G evo.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: atari on January 21, 2012, 11:53
Thanks for your reply Luv4nature :) i am looking at upgrading my bookshelf and was looking at those offers from Penaudio, SF and wilson benesch. One of my ex colleague's had a pair of SF Cremona Auditor and it leave a deep impression that i promise that if i upgrade i will definitely look in SF offering. Unfortunately he is based in HK thus not possible to revisit for another audit session.

I had manage to speak to him about SF speaker and seek his opinion different between G M or G evo he prefer Gm for so call "intimate sounding" haha not exactly sure what he mean actually but to his observation he find G Evo to hifish sounding another weird term use by my HK colleague.

I had so far listen to GM in HER but that was moon ago and G Evo wasn't even launch yet and not possible to A & B. I was wondering if any G M owner would like to give some comment about their speaker as so far i didn't see anyone yet which is weird. 
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on January 21, 2012, 13:46
Hi Atari, you won't go wrong with either GM or GE.

IMHO there are both great speakers to own and listen to. It all boils down to the sound you prefer and the electronic you choose to drive matters - Have an audition to hear the difference and HER now has a pair of both GM and GE available. Lucky you  ;)

Actually there aren't many SF owners in this forum but there are many SF owners in Singapore and quite a sizable number own SF reference series i.e. Homage, Amati, Guarneri, Stradivari...I haven't met anyone whom own a pair of Aida or Fenice yet but would certainly like to know!

For your viewing pleasure I found a site comparing the GE & GM side by side visually - http://dyna5555.cocolog-nifty.com/5555blog/2011/08/-4f--no17-8107.html (http://dyna5555.cocolog-nifty.com/5555blog/2011/08/-4f--no17-8107.html) Again its just pictures, specs, opinions...have a listen and pick  the one you like most.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mother3251 on January 23, 2012, 03:28
Thankyou all for your experience and thoughts with your replies. I do particularly like the sub option, which may be another way to look at it, and possibly more cost effective.
The GH is a fabulous speaker in my system, especially with my LFD cabling (biwired) throughtout, however having heard a friends top notch system a number of times, with much larger speakers, I do like the weighty sound presentation, but there again, the GH is so much better for everything else.
So my options are the sub, which sounds very interesting, or possibly the GE replacement, I look forward to finding about the sub,
 thank you once again, will let you know what I decide
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on January 23, 2012, 11:54
GH is an amazing pair of speakers and a pair (dependent on your room size) of sub would give you the scale and bottom end you need. Check out JL Audio or REL or even Wilson Benesch Torus.

Yummy...  ;D
(http://file.blog-kashiwa.audiounion.jp/sonus2.jpg)
agree with what Mousike said.  My friend and neighbour who bought the Guarneri Homage on the same day as me is still using it today with a REL sub.  He refused to change even after having heard more expensive SF spkrs including mine.  According to him, no other speakers comes near to GH in portraying the heart n soul of music even though the other spkrs may "sound" better. 
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mother3251 on January 28, 2012, 06:07
I like the post by Mousike who says his friend is still using his Guarneri Homage with a REL Sub, and continues to use those even hearing more expensive SF speakers, it gives me some confidence in keeping the GH, but possibly updating the sub. I am going to test the B&W DB1 subwoofer (at home) from a dealer locally, and I will let you know how it compares with the REL Stadium 2.

By the way I contacted Ken Kessler (Hifi News) a couple of years ago and asked why did he keep his GH, (considering he hears lots of quality speakers) they printed his response, and he likes them, they do something for him in certain areas obviously, but I thought, well, there was some value there.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mother3251 on January 28, 2012, 06:11
Apologies Annapurna, I misread your post, thankyou for the comments about your friends thoughts
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on January 28, 2012, 14:44
Just to share, amati anv's got a new place. She's singing very happily now :)

(http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/8510/setup28jan20121.jpg)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: ilovepanerai on January 28, 2012, 14:51
Just to share, amati anv's got a new place. She's singing very happily now :)


Congrats L4N...

Awesome space and system!
Finally the system setup done.

Cheers
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on January 28, 2012, 14:58
Hey ILP, thanks.

Space is the word! Actually, Space, Shape & Surface are the key to an ideal listening environment :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on January 28, 2012, 18:51
I have to say the Amati Anni sound out of this world in L4N new place!!!

*Double Thumbs Up*
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on January 28, 2012, 19:01

http://www.youtube.com/v/2GRRGasIggs&feature=plcp&context=C3a2fd44UDOEgsToPDskKeoHHSi4NMDWzhjHjrAm13&fs=1
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: jimi on January 28, 2012, 22:00
Awesome vid bro!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: jimi on January 28, 2012, 22:02
Just to share, amati anv's got a new place. She's singing very happily now :)



So you've moved the spkrs back or this is an old pic?

One of the best sounding and great looking rooms in Sg!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on January 28, 2012, 22:33
I have to say the Amati Anni sound out of this world in L4N new place!!!

*Double Thumbs Up*

Thanks! Glad that you drop by and shared your Diana Krall disc. She sure sounded lively over here. Got a copy of that and she's a resident singer now :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on January 28, 2012, 22:48
So you've moved the spkrs back or this is an old pic?

One of the best sounding and great looking rooms in Sg!

Moved them slightly back, and also adjusted the toe-in and racking angle.

Thanks for your comments. Am still getting to fine tune the last bit. Width that you pointed out is now improved. Some last bit of edginess is also now gone as the in wall power lines get run-in.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on January 28, 2012, 23:01
Thanks! Glad that you drop by and shared your Diana Krall disc. She sure sounded lively over here. Got a copy of that and she's a resident singer now :)

Glad you enjoy her live tracks  :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on January 28, 2012, 23:34
Apologies Annapurna, I misread your post, thankyou for the comments about your friends thoughts

Hi bro, no worries.  We are here to enjoy our hobbies and make friends.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on January 28, 2012, 23:35
Just to share, amati anv's got a new place. She's singing very happily now :)

(http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/8510/setup28jan20121.jpg)

Hi KC, need to pay you a visit soon.  Let me know when you are available :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on January 28, 2012, 23:48
Hi KC, need to pay you a visit soon.  Let me know when you are available :)

Sure, shall arrange with you. Heard you're upgrading yr TT ?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on January 28, 2012, 23:56
Sure, shall arrange with you. Heard you're upgrading yr TT ?

Wah, news spread fast.   Need to to keep up with the performance of the Futura. 
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on January 29, 2012, 12:46
Just to share, amati anv's got a new place. She's singing very happily now :)


Hi KC, you are finally in your own home again. Congrats, looks great ! Cannot wait to pay you a visit, now that we are closer to each other.  I too got new tweaks for a different sound from last room.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on January 29, 2012, 12:50
Wah, news spread fast.   Need to to keep up with the performance of the Futura. 

Annapurna, are you going further up the SME chain? BTW, I am no more in east. Now staying near to L4N in a condo. You got to hear the Whest with the 30 and some innocent looking cables. Last piece in jigsaw still akan datang.   
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on January 29, 2012, 13:12

Annapurna, are you going further up the SME chain? BTW, I am no more in east. Now staying near to L4N in a condo. You got to hear the Whest with the 30 and some innocent looking cables. Last piece in jigsaw still akan datang.   
HI Kenneth, likely going for SME20/III.  My friend bought it recently and he was very impressed with it.  Not enough $$$ for SME 30/II though.  I heard the Whest SE at Modular but not thinking of upgrading the phono yet, taking one step at a time.  Will sms you soon and arrange for a time to visit you.  Your last jigsaw should be the Ref5SE.  A friend bought a Ref 5 (not SE) and he swear that this is a great preamp.  He is using DCS Pucinni/U Clock, Pass Lab and Maxx 3, all bought from HER.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on January 29, 2012, 14:14
HI Kenneth, likely going for SME20/III.  My friend bought it recently and he was very impressed with it.  Not enough $$$ for SME 30/II though.  I heard the Whest SE at Modular but not thinking of upgrading the phono yet, taking one step at a time.  Will sms you soon and arrange for a time to visit you.  Your last jigsaw should be the Ref5SE.  A friend bought a Ref 5 (not SE) and he swear that this is a great preamp.  He is using DCS Pucinni/U Clock, Pass Lab and Maxx 3, all bought from HER.

You are spot-on about me seriously considering Ref 5SE. Was looking at Ref 5, but put it off as I was moving house. Now that I am settled, time to look at it again. Or a Devialet. 
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on January 29, 2012, 16:05
You are spot-on about me seriously considering Ref 5SE. Was looking at Ref 5, but put it off as I was moving house. Now that I am settled, time to look at it again. Or a Devialet.

Hi Kenneth, I didn't know you are stone throw away from L4N otherwise I would have pop by!!  :) Got to come visit some day on your new place and set up. Recently I learned a large percentage can be gained from room acoustic particularly when you have a bigger space for speakers to breath better, speakers comfortably apart from each other and listening position just about right....including celling, flooring, etc...You must listen to L4N's current setup its really good.  :)

BTW, I love the Ref 5. I cannot say the same for the REF5SE yet as its still running in but I think you may like the SE more over the original REF5. They sound different. Devialet is a good option - perhaps a home trial to A/B??
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on January 29, 2012, 17:26
Hi KC, you are finally in your own home again. Congrats, looks great ! Cannot wait to pay you a visit, now that we are closer to each other.  I too got new tweaks for a different sound from last room.
blue_starfish, we are probably in the same GRC now :)
Would be cool to play my analogue rig to a true blue vinyl lover like yourself. Setting up a non- suspension design table on a suspended flooring, was initially very concern about vibration isolation. Turned out that all was fine unless one does a star-jump right next to the table :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on January 29, 2012, 21:04
Hi Kenneth, I didn't know you are stone throw away from L4N otherwise I would have pop by!!  :) Got to come visit some day on your new place and set up. Recently I learned a large percentage can be gained from room acoustic particularly when you have a bigger space for speakers to breath better, speakers comfortably apart from each other and listening position just about right....including celling, flooring, etc...You must listen to L4N's current setup its really good.  :)

BTW, I love the Ref 5. I cannot say the same for the REF5SE yet as its still running in but I think you may like the SE more over the original REF5. They sound different. Devialet is a good option - perhaps a home trial to A/B??

Further than a stone's throw away. I am not as far west as L4N.

I wish I had a bigger room, and thicker walls. Noise is going through floor and ceiling to neighbours, which limits how loud I can go despite room not boomy.   
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on January 29, 2012, 21:41
Further than a stone's throw away. I am not as far west as L4N.

I wish I had a bigger room, and thicker walls. Noise is going through floor and ceiling to neighbours, which limits how loud I can go despite room not boomy.   

I also wish for a bigger room for my Futura to breath better.  What to do, no money to move to bigger house.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on January 29, 2012, 21:48
I also wish for a bigger room for my Futura to breath better.  What to do, no money to move to bigger house.

Maybe try smaller speakers??

Either Evolution or Accordo  ;)

-> on second thought may not be a bad idea as you may have extra to upgrade all the way to SME 30/II  ;D
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: jimi on January 29, 2012, 23:05
Further than a stone's throw away. I am not as far west as L4N.

I wish I had a bigger room, and thicker walls. Noise is going through floor and ceiling to neighbours, which limits how loud I can go despite room not boomy.   

Must be some mad bass in your room then ;)

The floor is difficult to treat but the ceiling is relatively easy. Some dense vinyl matt (dep on thickness and density it is equivalent to a several layers of bricks) on the ceiling then covered with gypsum (+/- your favourite acoustic board) should be enough. I went with dense fibre matt in an alternating sandwich with gypsum as I'm a cheap skate but it does work.

Can try the same on the floor overlayed with carpet, but a much bigger job and not as effective.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: naimster on January 30, 2012, 09:20
Very nice room L4N....speakers of this size really screams for a big room and even so, IMHO some room treatment is a must to push performance. Would certainly be keen to have a listen to your system one of these days if you don't mind. ;)

Ken, at the same, if there's a chance, will drop by your place too, especially now that your place is much nearer to mine than before. But should check with our other modder guru buddy and see if he can make it as well. ;)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on January 30, 2012, 12:43
Hi naimster, thanks for comment and yes, there's some basic diffusion and absorption incorporated in the room (not so obvious from the picture) but most acoustics characteristics are taken care of by the room geometry, material and structure. Am probably one of the fortunate few who's able to implement suspension flooring structure. IMO, that alone has brought along hell a lot of sonic benefits :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on January 30, 2012, 21:51
Must be some mad bass in your room then ;)

The floor is difficult to treat but the ceiling is relatively easy. Some dense vinyl matt (dep on thickness and density it is equivalent to a several layers of bricks) on the ceiling then covered with gypsum (+/- your favourite acoustic board) should be enough. I went with dense fibre matt in an alternating sandwich with gypsum as I'm a cheap skate but it does work.

Can try the same on the floor overlayed with carpet, but a much bigger job and not as effective.

Thanks for the advice, Jimi. Not so simple to treat ceiling in my case as it is a false ceiling. To do what you suggest, I will have to rip everything off incl light fixtures. Too much bother.
Anyway I found a workaround by accident. Discovered some fast dynamic cables, so I replaced end-to-end. Result is I can play at much lower volumes without sacrificing speed, dynamics and slam. Volume level meter shows a third less now.   
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: jimi on January 31, 2012, 00:13
Thanks for the advice, Jimi. Not so simple to treat ceiling in my case as it is a false ceiling. To do what you suggest, I will have to rip everything off incl light fixtures. Too much bother.
Anyway I found a workaround by accident. Discovered some fast dynamic cables, so I replaced end-to-end. Result is I can play at much lower volumes without sacrificing speed, dynamics and slam. Volume level meter shows a third less now.   

Heh! Yes, a higher end system can still sound great at low volumes.

For me it was cheaper to do the ceiling :) Actually the work on mine was retrofitted without taking the ceiling/ lights down.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on February 04, 2012, 11:27
Maybe try smaller speakers??

Either Evolution or Accordo  ;)

-> on second thought may not be a bad idea as you may have extra to upgrade all the way to SME 30/II  ;D

After using full-range speakers for such a long time,  how to switch back to bookshelves spkers :)  Anyway, I heard the G Evolution last Tue evening at HER.  They were driving it with a pair of Goldmund Telos in the big room and the sound was so big and real when they were playing tracks from Mark Knopfler.  The only thing that I missed is the extreme low bass.

On a side note, I heard L4N Anniversario setup and it was really impressive at his new place.  Large room, great acoustics with excellent eqpt setup.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on February 04, 2012, 13:09
After using full-range speakers for such a long time,  how to switch back to bookshelves spkers :)  Anyway, I heard the G Evolution last Tue evening at HER.  They were driving it with a pair of Goldmund Telos in the big room and the sound was so big and real when they were playing tracks from Mark Knopfler.  The only thing that I missed is the extreme low bass.

On a side note, I heard L4N Anniversario setup and it was really impressive at his new place.  Large room, great acoustics with excellent eqpt setup.

I told you so...I salute to L4N setup - very balance and a real pleasure to listen. All I was missing was a glass of wine and some cheese!  ;D

You are right...I too would be reluctant to do so too. Its difficult to go stand mount especially when you have the bigger brother of GE!  :D

Of all the stand mount monitors I have auditioned the GE has the best quality of bass I can find thus far that goes low enough with superb control and yet still retains a little SF magic in the mids. After all its a single 7 inch driver moving that much air so to FEEL 30 hz and below I will need a separate sub-bass solution that optimises with room acoustic...its work in progress  ;)

Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on February 04, 2012, 14:26
After using full-range speakers for such a long time,  how to switch back to bookshelves spkers :)  Anyway, I heard the G Evolution last Tue evening at HER.  They were driving it with a pair of Goldmund Telos in the big room and the sound was so big and real when they were playing tracks from Mark Knopfler.  The only thing that I missed is the extreme low bass.

On a side note, I heard L4N Anniversario setup and it was really impressive at his new place.  Large room, great acoustics with excellent eqpt setup.

Thanks for dropping by. Now waiting for your upgrade to the version III, and addition of yter bal ic. You guys do remember to run in your yter completely, key to it sounding perfectly!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on February 04, 2012, 14:31
I told you so...I salute to L4N setup - very balance and a real pleasure to listen. All I was missing was a glass of wine and some cheese!  ;D


It took a while to achieve the balance, and then comes along the new room acoustics to complete the equation.
You shall sponsor the wine and cheese the next round? :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on February 04, 2012, 14:38
I will need a separate sub-bass solution that optimises with room acoustic...its work in progress  ;)



Seriously, looking for the day you include a suitable sub (with built in eq like a JL audio) and integrate well in your set up. Many reported successful cases of perfect integration of subs in their systems in the US, so hope you can be the first success story here !!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on February 04, 2012, 14:42
Seriously, looking for the day you include a suitable sub (with built in eq like a JL audio) and integrate well in your set up. Many reported successful cases of perfect integration of subs in their systems in the US, so hope you can be the first success story here !!

Hee...keep you posted...too many thing to upgrade and tweak so will keep you posted. Will have to schedule for a longer listening session for wine and cheese the next time.  ;)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: naimster on February 04, 2012, 18:36
L4N system in new room is very impressive indeed. Loads of micro detail with good dynamics. I say money well spent to build the dedicated room. No equipment upgrade can give such improvement. The saying that room makes up 50% of the system performance is well demonstrated here.

Oh yes blue starfish new room is also much better than old. The tonal balance is much better and the whest which was being throttled in the old room is finally strutting it's stuff in spades.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on February 04, 2012, 22:59
naimster, you certainly have a wide variety of music to stress test a system :)

Hope this session has changed your prior impression of Sonus faber speakers being not as fast and lively. Would probably rate weightage of room acoustic at 30~50%. it's really one major factor in making a system sounds right. We do gear chasing most of the time but all too often neglected the biggest variable in this hobby :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: VUE on February 05, 2012, 12:42
Hi all,

Anyone knows whats the price of the toy tower? Saw it yesterday, love its size and design.
Have yet to listen but will love to know the price first before jumping into its sound...

Regards.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on February 05, 2012, 17:23
When I first saw the Aida on print I wasn't quite sure what to expect and I was neutral of on its look/design philosophy/concept but its growing on me...very keen for a listen  :)

(http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx240/larevoj/Audiophile/03.jpg)

(http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx240/larevoj/Audiophile/04-1.jpg)

(http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx240/larevoj/Audiophile/01.jpg)

(http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx240/larevoj/Audiophile/02-1.jpg)

(http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx240/larevoj/Audiophile/04.jpg)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on February 05, 2012, 18:36
Hi all,

Anyone knows whats the price of the toy tower? Saw it yesterday, love its size and design.
Have yet to listen but will love to know the price first before jumping into its sound...

Regards.

Probably touching 3K for the standard black leather finish. The glossy finishes could be over 3k.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: VUE on February 05, 2012, 18:45
Thanks Luv4nature.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on February 05, 2012, 19:05
When I first saw the Aida on print I wasn't quite sure what to expect and I was neutral of on its look/design philosophy/concept but its growing on me...very keen for a listen  :)


The walnut version looks better among the two. See if HER throws another reception to demo the Aida... and this time better not have Goldmund telos in the set up :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on February 05, 2012, 19:46
The walnut version looks better among the two. See if HER throws another reception to demo the Aida... and this time better not have Goldmund telos in the set up :)

Better reserve one fast as I heard the serial number is a very lucky number.  It is already in the warehouse.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: naimster on February 05, 2012, 20:41
Indeed my test tracks are pretty varied. Next time I bring more should there be a wine and cheese session. :D

Indeed your Amati certainly isn't the  "slower" Amati sound that I have heard in the past. You managed to achieve a good balance between speed whilst retaining the strengths of SF in producing string instruments. Having said that, SF is still not the fastest speaker around...which shouldnt be a surprise (else everyone will rush out to buy SF ;) )

naimster, you certainly have a wide variety of music to stress test a system :)

Hope this session has changed your prior impression of Sonus faber speakers being not as fast and lively. Would probably rate weightage of room acoustic at 30~50%. it's really one major factor in making a system sounds right. We do gear chasing most of the time but all too often neglected the biggest variable in this hobby :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on February 05, 2012, 22:13
Indeed my test tracks are pretty varied. Next time I bring more should there be a wine and cheese session. :D

Sounds like a party is brewing somewhere...  ;)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on February 06, 2012, 01:34
Indeed my test tracks are pretty varied. Next time I bring more should there be a wine and cheese session. :D

Indeed your Amati certainly isn't the  "slower" Amati sound that I have heard in the past. You managed to achieve a good balance between speed whilst retaining the strengths of SF in producing string instruments. Having said that, SF is still not the fastest speaker around...which shouldnt be a surprise (else everyone will rush out to buy SF ;) )


With all things equal Sf spks are surely not the champion in speed, just that they can be made to sound with very acceptable speed and rather realistic pace. Just like dealing with any other speaker or component, it's always important to build on the strength and work on the weakness :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on February 06, 2012, 09:52
Natural timing and transient speed is critical.

Often times a overly rhythmic system can create an impression of excitement in a short session and the flip side some may find it exhaustive doing catch up over long period of listening. Considering all technicalities all systems or speakers are put together with certain characteristics and I see us audiophiles as architect of our own sound.   :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: naimster on February 06, 2012, 11:39
My take will be that the more diverse type of music one tune the system to sound good with, the more accurate and satisfying the system will sound.

Very simple, if I tune my system to sound good for rock, classical and vocals, surely it cant be hurried nor slow. ;)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Cerano on February 06, 2012, 11:41
hi guys im a current minima owner... thinking of getting the toy centre to replace my jewel cube. how does it compare to its competitors? eg. B&W CMC?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on February 06, 2012, 12:02
Hi all,

Anyone knows whats the price of the toy tower? Saw it yesterday, love its size and design.
Have yet to listen but will love to know the price first before jumping into its sound...

Regards.
Thanks Luv4nature.

Here's some comments on the Toy Tower from down under. Within the budget and performance expectation, they are actually very pleasant sounding speakers.

http://www.stereo.net.au/forums/showthread.php/37220-Sonus-Faber-Toy-and-Toy-Tower..-auditioned!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on February 06, 2012, 12:03
Very simple, if I tune my system to sound good for rock, classical and vocals, surely it cant be hurried nor slow. ;)

You are the architect of your sound ;)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on February 06, 2012, 12:20
hi guys im a current minima owner... thinking of getting the toy centre to replace my jewel cube. how does it compare to its competitors? eg. B&W CMC?

If you have the original Minima... you are blessed cos it is known as a little giant killer back in its days. It reproduces scale that is much larger than its size. It carries the full richness that Sonus faber is so well known for. Still remember the old grammophone CD shop at specialist shopping centre used to have a pair for main demo of their CDs, they blasted it throughout the whole operating hours for 7 days a week for a couple of years, and it was still singing beautifully until the shop was no more, just amazing!

For your case, I would toss the bose jewel without a second thought considering you have the minima amator as the main LR spks. The next consideration if you intend to keep the minima for long term would be to choose a suitable center spk from the Sonus faber range to match the tonality with your main spks. Not encouraged to fit a speaker of other make.

In order of priority, would recommend:

1. Liuto Smart
2. Domus center (if you can find it pre-owned)
3. Toy center
4. Earlier center speakers such as Solo Home, Solo and piccolo (if you can find them pre-owned)

Any of these is miles better than the bose jewel cube IMO.

If you really do not want any of the above center spks for whatever reasons, than the next closest match in terms of tonality would be center speakers from Vienna Acoustics' range. But again, there'll be some compromise.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: abc on February 06, 2012, 12:34
Indeed my test tracks are pretty varied. Next time I bring more should there be a wine and cheese session. :D

Indeed your Amati certainly isn't the  "slower" Amati sound that I have heard in the past. You managed to achieve a good balance between speed whilst retaining the strengths of SF in producing string instruments. Having said that, SF is still not the fastest speaker around...which shouldnt be a surprise (else everyone will rush out to buy SF ;) )



How do you define fast or slow sound? From your nick i guess you are a Naim user so i assume another flat-earth lover, in general Naim equipment isn't particularly good at reproducing a deep soundstage or produce sharp images and may seem bandwidth limited in certain way. So whether does it sound right or wrong is rather subjective. If SF speaker is slow, i think it will be a disaster to pair with Naim as they are pretty flat sounding IMO which is why i doubt anyone here have Naim/SF pairing here. One will have better luck with Krell, ML or AR for SF, nothing against Naim but just a thought. 
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on February 06, 2012, 12:41
Yes, I think the Walnut is stunning...would like to listen with an ARC rig though...

(http://www.novomusica.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/ampliacion/Sonus_faber_aida_altavoces_0.jpg)

This is potentially an ace set up, ARC pre with momentum monos driving the Aida.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Cerano on February 06, 2012, 12:52
If you have the original Minima... you are blessed cos it is known as a little giant killer back in its days. It reproduces scale that is much larger than its size. It carries the full richness that Sonus faber is so well known for. Still remember the old grammophone CD shop at specialist shopping centre used to have a pair for main demo of their CDs, they blasted it throughout the whole operating hours for 7 days a week for a couple of years, and it was still singing beautifully until the shop was no more, just amazing!

For your case, I would toss the bose jewel without a second thought considering you have the minima amator as the main LR spks. The next consideration if you intend to keep the minima for long term would be to choose a suitable center spk from the Sonus faber range to match the tonality with your main spks. Not encouraged to fit a speaker of other make.

In order of priority, would recommend:

1. Liuto Smart
2. Domus center (if you can find it pre-owned)
3. Toy center
4. Earlier center speakers such as Solo Home, Solo and piccolo (if you can find them pre-owned)

Any of these is miles better than the bose jewel cube IMO.

If you really do not want any of the above center spks for whatever reasons, than the next closest match in terms of tonality would be center speakers from Vienna Acoustics' range. But again, there'll be some compromise.

hi bro mine is the successor to the amator... still a minima... but been with me over 10 years still singing beautifully

to be honest i feel the jewel cubes are very clear to me already but ive heard many people saying they are not good so im looking to change to something proper.

i just spoke to phillip, i think ill be going with the liuto smart thanks so much bros i really appreciate it. was thinking of going with Bowers and Wilkins initially
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on February 06, 2012, 13:02
Good for you! Do share some updates when your Liuto Smart is in place.

Btw, there are only 3 Minimas in the history of Sf:

Minima amator
Minima FM2
Minima vintage

Believe yours is either the 1st or the 2nd one?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Cerano on February 06, 2012, 13:15
bro mine is a FM2 cheers

btw... philip says he doesnt have any sets on display... any kind bros here have a liuto smart to listen to?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: naimster on February 06, 2012, 13:30
I didn't say SF is slow in absolute terms and I definitely dunno how to quantity. It's all relative.

And yes, I own Naim. And it's certainly not bandwidth limiting nor having a flat soundstage. I have heard a Naim with the old Amatis before and it certainly isnt a very good match as you said.


How do you define fast or slow sound? From your nick i guess you are a Naim user so i assume another flat-earth lover, in general Naim equipment isn't particularly good at reproducing a deep soundstage or produce sharp images and may seem bandwidth limited in certain way. So whether does it sound right or wrong is rather subjective. If SF speaker is slow, i think it will be a disaster to pair with Naim as they are pretty flat sounding IMO which is why i doubt anyone here have Naim/SF pairing here. One will have better luck with Krell, ML or AR for SF, nothing against Naim but just a thought. 

Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: jimi on February 06, 2012, 14:18

How do you define fast or slow sound? From your nick i guess you are a Naim user so i assume another flat-earth lover, in general Naim equipment isn't particularly good at reproducing a deep soundstage or produce sharp images and may seem bandwidth limited in certain way. So whether does it sound right or wrong is rather subjective. If SF speaker is slow, i think it will be a disaster to pair with Naim as they are pretty flat sounding IMO which is why i doubt anyone here have Naim/SF pairing here. One will have better luck with Krell, ML or AR for SF, nothing against Naim but just a thought. 


Heh! how to do you figure that your post is nothing against Naim?

Naimster is using ATC, his combo is an excellent match- go and listen for yourself, it may change your perception of Naim (though his is a modded Naim setup :) )
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: abc on February 06, 2012, 16:17
Heh! how to do you figure that your post is nothing against Naim?

Naimster is using ATC, his combo is an excellent match- go and listen for yourself, it may change your perception of Naim (though his is a modded Naim setup :) )


Isn't the purpose of a forum to be a constructive channel where each individual can express what he think and feel about something. This is not a Naim forum right hahaha..... Anyway i had listen to Naim before coming to this conclusion not some so call "perception". As Naimster agree that Naim isn't a good match with SF too right? I be keen to listen to a Naim/SF pairing if there is but i feel that should be none given it is such a mismatch.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: naimster on February 06, 2012, 17:01

Isn't the purpose of a forum to be a constructive channel where each individual can express what he think and feel about something. This is not a Naim forum right hahaha..... Anyway i had listen to Naim before coming to this conclusion not some so call "perception". As Naimster agree that Naim isn't a good match with SF too right? I be keen to listen to a Naim/SF pairing if there is but i feel that should be none given it is such a mismatch.
A bit of disclaimer....I only said Naim with Amati is not a good match, simply cos it's not powerful enough and thus sounded flabby.

But I think the smaller SF can match the Naim fine. There are smaller SF with Naim owners here btw. :P
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on February 06, 2012, 17:30
Agreed, have heard naim 5i driving Sonus faber Concerto Home/ Grand piano home sounding very musical.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: abc on February 06, 2012, 17:37
Agreed, have heard naim 5i driving Sonus faber Concerto Home/ Grand piano home sounding very musical.

Ah..... interesting Grand Piano is a floorstander right? Have you listen to any higher end speaker Cremona and above for Naim?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: naimster on February 06, 2012, 17:59
Ah..... interesting Grand Piano is a floorstander right? Have you listen to any higher end speaker Cremona and above for Naim?
The problem with the bigger SF is that all Naim power amps are typically not very powerful...and that's where one starts to detect mismatch.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on February 06, 2012, 18:32
Ah..... interesting Grand Piano is a floorstander right? Have you listen to any higher end speaker Cremona and above for Naim?

The match probably stops there...
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on February 06, 2012, 19:50
This is potentially an ace set up, ARC pre with momentum monos driving the Aida.

Hee...thought no one notice  ;D But would be very difficult to find this combo in the little red dot.

If you have the original Minima... you are blessed cos it is known as a little giant killer back in its days. It reproduces scale that is much larger than its size. It carries the full richness that Sonus faber is so well known for. Still remember the old grammophone CD shop at specialist shopping centre used to have a pair for main demo of their CDs, they blasted it throughout the whole operating hours for 7 days a week for a couple of years, and it was still singing beautifully until the shop was no more, just amazing!

That was so long ago!! I think grammophone at centerpoint had similar setup. It throws out such a large sound field with only 2 small speakers and it sounded so good with bass included! However I didn't know it was Sonus Faber Minima Amator at that time because it was hung so high up and though I wasn't an audiophile then it made a VERY lasting impression on me.

Naimster is using ATC, his combo is an excellent match- go and listen for yourself, it may change your perception of Naim (though his is a modded Naim setup :) )

Jimi suggestion is a good one. Naimster system/electronics are HIGHLY modded and has very good synergy with his ATC20SLT in a small room. I only wish I have his electronics diy skills to 'tune' my setup!  :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: abc on February 06, 2012, 20:11
A bit of disclaimer....I only said Naim with Amati is not a good match, simply cos it's not powerful enough and thus sounded flabby.

But I think the smaller SF can match the Naim fine. There are smaller SF with Naim owners here btw. :P

Smaller SF with Naim, interesting......... i assume you might have listen to this kind of combi before. How is it?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: landis1 on February 06, 2012, 21:51
Found this...my teenage first love...  ;)

wow beautiful ;D
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on February 06, 2012, 22:21
Found this...my teenage first love...  ;)


Good find! You should have dated her :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on February 06, 2012, 22:31
Good find! You should have dated her :)

Its one of those TV drama where you saw the girl of the life time in the train and just when you wanted to get into the train the doors shut on you...you never see her again. Until many years later I dated her younger and dead gorgeous sister but I can never forget my first love...  :P
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on February 06, 2012, 22:53
haha... good one.

Since we're doing the past, here's the first one:

The Snail-- Sonus faber's first ever speaker. Good thing his subsequent speakers all look a lot better :)

(http://www.ippinkan.com/test_report/minima_vintage/snail-1.jpg)

(http://www.soundstage2.com/tours/sonus_faber_200708/snail_600w.jpg)

You fell in love with the right one :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on February 07, 2012, 00:28
Saw this on the web before...its abit odd an acquired taste for folks looking for exotic beauties  :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: naimster on February 07, 2012, 10:34
Smaller SF with Naim, interesting......... i assume you might have listen to this kind of combi before. How is it?
Yes I have listened to a few of such combo before. They sound good... Not the best in terms of details and articulation but well balanced tonality with good speed and dynamics. As mentioned my Naims are modded and those were the areas I strived to improve in my mods. Ok, enuf of Naim babbling... This is a SF thread afterall. ;)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on February 10, 2012, 12:09
Another MA may be suitable for your hall. I do think its sound can still hold its own even today. On the other hand, the current Minima vintage sound is a bit of a let down.

Also, as a marketer, they'll always tell you that newer is better, that's what they'll say in the shop. Sometimes when you sit down and have coffee with them, they may share some bonus facts :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Cerano on February 10, 2012, 12:13
their job is to sell mah haha
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on February 10, 2012, 12:32
This looks like a perfect match for you know who...  ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=vXLaTWbS5SQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=vXLaTWbS5SQ)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: ginkgonut on February 13, 2012, 09:09
Any SF owner know where to buy the strings for the Stand and the Speaker other then from the local agent.

The Manufacturer is out as he will refer re-direct to local agent.

The String from them will be costly for sure.

Not necessary original strings but something similar just to spruce up appearance. The Strings especially
for the Stand do not make much difference if any at all to the sound reproduction I observe.

This is how bad the Strings have degenerated :

http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/rr274/huang_photo/P1050030-1.jpg

My set is within the first 200 issued and thats as old as it is.
(Look out for further problem to be shown)

Thanks for any contribution.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: ginkgonut on February 13, 2012, 09:29
http://www.youtube.com/v/2GRRGasIggs&feature=plcp&context=C3a2fd44UDOEgsToPDskKeoHHSi4NMDWzhjHjrAm13&fs=1

Didn't know SF cabinets are made of Plywood with veneer surface now !

I remember haing read from the catalogue the SF G is made of solid pieces of Oak/Walnut
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: bigtree on February 13, 2012, 09:51
saw the Aida. It's bigger than wat I expected! almost same size as fenice *I think*
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: jimi on February 13, 2012, 10:54
Didn't know SF cabinets are made of Plywood with veneer surface now !

I remember haing read from the catalogue the SF G is made of solid pieces of Oak/Walnut

Solid Ply AND MDF?  Not too bad... probably sounds better than solid wood...?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on February 13, 2012, 11:18
Didn't know SF cabinets are made of Plywood with veneer surface now !

I remember haing read from the catalogue the SF G is made of solid pieces of Oak/Walnut

You name it you have it...glass, MDF, solid wood, aluminium, etc.

What matter more is the sound you hear and which ever the material used it is still without a doubt SF quality of fit and finish is way above the current industry standards.

The Italians are good at it...  :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on February 13, 2012, 12:25
Any SF owner know where to buy the strings for the Stand and the Speaker other then from the local agent.



Your Guarneri stand strings are not difficult to fix. Process of tightening the G-String :) :

-invert the stand
-remove the bolt fastening the stone base
-remove the stone base, you'll find the individual strings are knotted at the base of the vertical column
-pull and tension the individual elastic strings and tie knot, then cut away the slack
-install back the stone base

If your strings are not badly deteriorated, it can be tighten for at least 2 to 3 times. Process is not difficult, probably less than an hour's job. Agent HER demonstrated to me how it can be done. If you send it to them, they'll charge you quite a bit for it.

Now if your string is rotten beyond repair, cut a piece of it and bring it to the fabric stores along Sultan mosque area to match for a similar one. They sell in rolls so you'll have to know the right total length.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on February 13, 2012, 12:27
You are indeed handy  ;D

Process of tightening the G-String :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on February 13, 2012, 12:28
Didn't know SF cabinets are made of Plywood with veneer surface now !

I remember haing read from the catalogue the SF G is made of solid pieces of Oak/Walnut

Among the current range, only the Guarneri memento, minima vintage and Liuto wood have solid wood cabinets. Most of the earlier models (amator, etc.) are made out of solid walnut.

Well, it's the sustainable way to go :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on February 13, 2012, 12:31
You are indeed handy  ;D


Not all G-Strings can be tighten :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on February 13, 2012, 13:28
You name it you have it...glass, MDF, solid wood, aluminium, etc.

What matter more is the sound you hear and which ever the material used it is still without a doubt SF quality of fit and finish is way above the current industry standards.

The Italians are good at it...  :)

You are absolutely right.  In his review of the Amati Futura in HiFi+, Alan Sircom wrote "But the Futura improves on the Homage on an unprecedented scale. I can imagine more than a few drivers asking Moderna why their latest Ferrari isn’t finished to Amati Futura standards. I can also envisage some angry screaming from other high-end manufacturers, demanding the same uncompromising quality from their woodworkers. It’s that kind of finish."
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on February 13, 2012, 13:31
Any SF owner know where to buy the strings for the Stand and the Speaker other then from the local agent.

The Manufacturer is out as he will refer re-direct to local agent.

The String from them will be costly for sure.

Not necessary original strings but something similar just to spruce up appearance. The Strings especially
for the Stand do not make much difference if any at all to the sound reproduction I observe.

This is how bad the Strings have degenerated :

http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/rr274/huang_photo/P1050030-1.jpg

My set is within the first 200 issued and thats as old as it is.
(Look out for further problem to be shown)

Thanks for any contribution.

I remember checking with HER for a friend who had a pair of Guarneri.  To restring with new strings for the stands and spkrs would cost slightly more than $400.  It is probably alot cheaper to diy using the method recommended by Luvnature if you have the time to do it.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: ginkgonut on February 13, 2012, 13:49
Your Guarneri stand strings are not difficult to fix. Process of tightening the G-String :) :

-invert the stand
-remove the bolt fastening the stone base
-remove the stone base, you'll find the individual strings are knotted at the base of the vertical column
-pull and tension the individual elastic strings and tie knot, then cut away the slag
-install back the stone base

If your strings are not badly deteriorated, it can be tighten for at least 2 to 3 times. Process is not difficult, probably less than an hour's job. Agent HER demonstrated to me how it can be done. If you send it to them, they'll charge you quite a bit for it.

Now if your string is rotten beyond repair, cut a piece of it and bring it to the fabric stores along Sultan mosque area to match for a similar one. They sell in rolls so you'll have to know the right total length.

Oh so Sultan mosque are ; Indian shops or Chinese shops.

The strings they sell are they similar in diameter and elastic elasticity ?

Thank you very much.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on February 13, 2012, 20:07
There are quite a few fabric shops along Arab street and Haji lane. As mentioned, diameter you got to match for similar size, and just pick the strongest ones that you can find, though I think the elastic strengths are all pretty similar.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: ginkgonut on February 13, 2012, 22:44
I wonder if any owner of SF has done restringing himself.

Like to know how he doees it apart what you mention about removing the granite pedestal.

whether they tie each string after looping round 2 holes on Top and tying both ends at the Bottom or wether they Thread Top and Bottom until the last hole.

I hope I have made myself understandable.

Thanks LuvNature for all the info.

Will visit one day.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on February 13, 2012, 23:19
Sonus faber... the Cantonese version :)

http://www.youtube.com/v/_bk0cYQSMiw&fs=1
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on February 13, 2012, 23:29
whether they tie each string after looping round 2 holes on Top and tying both ends at the Bottom or wether they Thread Top and Bottom until the last hole.

Each string loops through 2 holes, top and bottom.

i.e. tie knot > bottom hole > top hole > adjacent top hole > adjacent bottom hole > tie knot, cut end.

Do not loop through all the holes with one continuous run, else when something goes, the whole run of strings will be slacken.

You're welcome :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on February 14, 2012, 09:37
Good effort but can be better...   :)

A bit too cliché and presentation skills lack depth...

Sonus faber... the Cantonese version :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: ginkgonut on February 14, 2012, 20:45
Each string loops through 2 holes, top and bottom.

i.e. tie knot > bottom hole > top hole > adjacent top hole > adjacent bottom hole > tie knot, cut end.

Do not loop through all the holes with one continuous run, else when something goes, the whole run of strings will be slacken.

You're welcome :)

So it is like a small     "    n    "  where both ends at the bottom are tied.

Thanks.

Just wonder whether there is tension in the strings that they seel.
On the way to Rochor Cente at the coerner Harware shop lookinf for scrtewdrivers saw them selling spools of thre about 3mm and smaller in diameter., but the strings do not have tensions.

Hope those who are re-string can contribute upon seeing this thread.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on February 15, 2012, 21:26
annapurna needs to archive this copy in a golden frame ! :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on February 15, 2012, 21:33

Just wonder whether there is tension in the strings that they seel.
On the way to Rochor Cente at the coerner Harware shop lookinf for scrtewdrivers saw them selling spools of thre about 3mm and smaller in diameter., but the strings do not have tensions.


Do only try those that are elastic, else it'll not look like the original. Try to 'plug' the strings of a good sample HER or other owner to feel the right tension. Sewing acc shop or even spotlight may also carry them.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on February 15, 2012, 21:39
annapurna needs to archive this copy in a golden frame ! :)

Very sad.  have not received my Stereophile since last Oct renewal. Just sent them another email last night.  Anyone with a spare copy, plse spare me one :(
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: ginkgonut on February 16, 2012, 09:18
Do only try those that are elastic, else it'll not look like the original. Try to 'plug' the strings of a good sample HER or other owner to feel the right tension. Sewing acc shop or even spotlight may also carry them.

Yes Spotlight !  Frnakly I am not optimistic that any shop in SIngapore do sell strings with tension because the purpose and use for tension string is very very limited.

Thanks anyway.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on February 16, 2012, 10:55
Why not sign up for soft copies?

Probably not...I too prefer to flip the page physically.  :)

Very sad.  have not received my Stereophile since last Oct renewal. Just sent them another email last night.  Anyone with a spare copy, plse spare me one :(
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: jimi on February 16, 2012, 11:01
Very sad.  have not received my Stereophile since last Oct renewal. Just sent them another email last night.  Anyone with a spare copy, plse spare me one :(


Why don't you guys get together for a group email?

Might make them sit up and realize the extent of the problem.
At least easier if u have to take some kind of action against them in the future
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on February 16, 2012, 15:42
It is here :

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Aida/IMG-20120216-WA0001.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Aida/IMG-20120216-WA0000.jpg)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on February 16, 2012, 16:18
Wow...thats BIG  :o

You didn't stay for the unpacking and setup?? That will be a sight to see!!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: vajrasattvasg on February 16, 2012, 16:35
Very sad.  have not received my Stereophile since last Oct renewal. Just sent them another email last night.  Anyone with a spare copy, plse spare me one :(

i havent received mine too!! renewed last year august...
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on February 16, 2012, 21:53
More pixs from the HER showroom.

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Aida/IMG-20120216-WA0010.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Aida/IMG-20120216-WA0019.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Aida/IMG-20120216-WA0006.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Aida/IMG-20120216-WA0020.jpg)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on February 16, 2012, 22:01
Wow, as tall as TSF.

Oops, driven by Goldmund Telos again ?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on February 16, 2012, 22:14
Hee...will pop by for a listen...  :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Lorenzo on February 17, 2012, 09:48
freaking huge. locally how much ar? $80K?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on February 17, 2012, 09:57
freaking huge. locally how much ar? $80K?

In US retailing at US$120K.  So most likely more than $120K here.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Lorenzo on February 17, 2012, 10:01
In US retailing at US$120K.  So most likely more than $120K here.

Wow...'The Sonus Faber' can close shop alrdy haha See got sell cheap cheap or nt lolx
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on February 17, 2012, 10:44
Latest update, retail price is S$180K before discount. 
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on February 17, 2012, 17:01
Hmm...its not really that big isn't it  ;D

It is.

Its about same the height as TSF but in a much slimmer and sleeker package - straight out from the box it sound amazingly good and can be even better after proper setup and run-in.

(http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx240/larevoj/Evolution/IMG_7630.jpg)

Here is a closeup on its Tweeter....

Sonus faber "Arrow Point" DAD (Damped Apex Dome) is a synthesis of the classic dome and ring transducer. A Sonus faber designed 1" (29mm) moving coil driver, with Sonus faber's vibration optimized mechanical interface. Its ultra dynamic linearity is created by a new Neodymium motor system implemented with a natural wood acoustic labyrinth as a rear chamber. Additionally, a mechanical anti-resonator specially designed for this application reduces unwanted resonance even further. In order to perfectly match the loudspeakers high-frequency performance to different listening rooms and different tastes, it is possible to adjust the output (SPL) of the tweeter.

(http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx240/larevoj/Evolution/IMG_7628.jpg)

The Woofers...

A pair of Sonus faber designed 8.75" (220mm) woofers employ lightweight "sandwich" cones made from the high-tech blending of a synthetic foam core and surface skins embedded with coated cellulose pulp. These drive units reside in an acoustically amorphous "Stealth Reflex" chamber for optimized performance. Designed to blend perfectly with the midrange and, at the same time, to have absolute definition in their range, these woofers have the same sonic character of the midrange cone. A long-throw motor system with a 2" diameter controlled "eddy current" voice coil is implemented for high speed, performance and linearity. Like the midrange driver, a special coaxial anti-compressor is designed to remove any remaining cavity resonance and distortions.

(http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx240/larevoj/Evolution/IMG_7626.jpg)

The mids...

The midrange driver is a Sonus faber designed 7" (180mm) ultra-dynamic linearity midrange with a neodymium magnet system. CCAW wire is used on a composite former with an "eddy current free" voice coil. The dynamically linear magnetic field motor incorporates triple Kellog/Goeller rings. A special custom made diaphragm is manufactured with an air-dried, non-pressed blend of traditional cellulose pulp, kapok, kenaf and other natural fibers. Developed and chosen according to the most natural sound. To further inhibit any residual cone coloration, a transparent viscous surface damping coating is applied to the cone.

(http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx240/larevoj/Evolution/IMG_7624.jpg)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on February 17, 2012, 22:20
Bro, you're very fast.

Heard from other write-ups that she's a much smoother singer than TSF. Let HER run HER in for a while and then shall go have a listen.

One thing though, the curves, front baffle, drivers array all look very nicely done, just that the plywood/veneer cladding looks somewhat odd and disconnected (literally) :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on February 17, 2012, 23:18
If I have the dough I will surely jump on it!  :D

Yes, to my ears it does sound much better vs. TSF and its not as expensive.

Honestly I wasn't quite into Aida at first but when I saw the walnut version...  ;D

The thing about Aida is its not very camera friendly. Its pretty big and it has very fine details that are not easy to capture without good lighting and fast/wide lenses but its very nice to the touch and in person its simply gorgeous. I plan to go back once its run in and have a second listen to hear the differences.

Bro, you're very fast.

Heard from other write-ups that she's a much smoother singer than TSF. Let HER run HER in for a while and then shall go have a listen.

One thing though, the curves, front baffle, drivers array all look very nicely done, just that the plywood/veneer cladding looks somewhat odd and disconnected (literally) :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on February 19, 2012, 12:12
Went down to HER yesterday and took some pixs using a Nikon compact.  The speaker is really very big if you look at the 1st pix, about the same size of The Sonus Faber and 4 times the size of Amati.  The sound is really huge and even without running-in, it is probably the best SF ever.  Size does matters.  Too bad I cannot afford the price and the size is too big for my room.

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Aida/DSCN1039.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Aida/DSCN1063.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Aida/DSCN1041.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Aida/DSCN1051.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Aida/DSCN1043.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Aida/DSCN1045.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Aida/DSCN1048.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Aida/DSCN1062.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Aida/DSCN1054.jpg)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on February 19, 2012, 13:26
I ran into annapurna there, and agree with his observations that this is probably the best sounding SF ever. Very relaxed sounding, airy and totally composed.  I will envy anyone who an afford to buy this and has the space to house them!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on February 19, 2012, 15:59
Hee...impressive huh  :)

Let's see who is the fortunate owner/s.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: jimi on February 19, 2012, 22:01
Bro, you're very fast.

Heard from other write-ups that she's a much smoother singer than TSF. Let HER run HER in for a while and then shall go have a listen.

One thing though, the curves, front baffle, drivers array all look very nicely done, just that the plywood/veneer cladding looks somewhat odd and disconnected (literally) :)

Bro, your room was made for this spkr!!

What's that Star Trek reference?:: Resistance is futile.... :D
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: cayinist on February 19, 2012, 22:19
Tweeter looks like a pierced nipple. Heh.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on February 19, 2012, 22:25

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Aida/DSCN1039.jpg)


That's half a million dollar worth of speakers over there !
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on February 19, 2012, 22:33
Bro, your room was made for this spkr!!

What's that Star Trek reference?:: Resistance is futile.... :D

But stairway not made to move big speakers... ha
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on February 19, 2012, 23:20
But stairway not made to move big speakers... ha

Guys from HER can move speakers into any room size!!  ;)

I do agree with Jimi your room have just about the right volume for it to perform nicely...just need a few more Evo 402 to bi-amp  ;D
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on February 19, 2012, 23:28
Guys from HER can move speakers into any room size!!  ;)

I do agree with Jimi your room have just about the right volume for it to perform nicely...just need a few more Evo 402 to bi-amp  ;D

I agree.  KC room needs bigger spkr.  Aida will suit it just nice.  Furthermore, serial number is 008. 
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: jimi on February 20, 2012, 01:08
But stairway not made to move big speakers... ha

Will fit thru the window no problem. Lol!

I agree.  KC room needs bigger spkr.  Aida will suit it just nice.  Furthermore, serial number is 008. 

Ha ha! You're a good friend 8)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: naimster on February 20, 2012, 10:06
I agree.  KC room needs bigger spkr.  Aida will suit it just nice.  Furthermore, serial number is 008. 
+1 bigger speaker no problem in KC's room.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on February 20, 2012, 12:26
Thanks for all your "constructive" suggestions ... but I prefer the serial number "8888" haha :)

Got to view her in person. A pity HER never throw a party yet.

A Quadrivio Grand Slam set up with Wadia 971/922/931 + ARC Anniversary Ref + triple ARC 610T + Sonus faber aida + full suite Yter cabling... am sure many of us bro will get very high ! :)

Shall psycho HER to throw one... plus wine and cheese of course.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on February 20, 2012, 12:56
That is a deadly setup!  :o

A Quadrivio Grand Slam set up with Wadia 971/922/931 + ARC Anniversary Ref + triple ARC 610T + Sonus faber aida + full suite Yter cabling... am sure many of us bro will get very high ! :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on February 20, 2012, 19:01
You realize Quadrivio is the parent company of these 3 brands, thus I call this combo a Quadrivio Grand Slam ? :)

It's definitely within HER's means to set up a flagship demo system like this.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on February 21, 2012, 21:42
Wow, unknowingly, this SF thread has reached >50,000 hits and >700 posts !

Thanks for all the bro's interest & participation. Keep it up with your contribution to share, exchange and update :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on February 21, 2012, 22:26
I think I made the 700 post!!  ;D

Thanks for your contribution and help to SF members!

Wow, unknowingly, this SF thread has reached >50,000 hits and >700 posts !

Thanks for all the bro's interest & participation. Keep it up with your contribution to share, exchange and update :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on February 24, 2012, 12:46
Oh yes blue starfish new room is also much better than old. The tonal balance is much better and the whest which was being throttled in the old room is finally strutting it's stuff in spades.

Agreed blue_starfish's new room is overall more controlled and better than his previous place. Think also in part due to the new cart and phono. Good investment! The CM sounds like it's on dose of steroid :)

Now he's got some sniffing work to do. When a mc cart output is that low, every source of EMI/RF counts. :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on February 25, 2012, 12:27
Agreed blue_starfish's new room is overall more controlled and better than his previous place. Think also in part due to the new cart and phono. Good investment! The CM sounds like it's on dose of steroid :)

Now he's got some sniffing work to do. When a mc cart output is that low, every source of EMI/RF counts. :)

Phase 2 of EMI/RF completed this morning, and background is getting quieter. Phase 3 next week to shield power amp and distributor feed power cords. Pre-amp exercise put on hold till arrival of new toy.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on February 25, 2012, 12:50
Pre-amp exercise put on hold till arrival of new toy.

 :D More toys?? That is?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on February 25, 2012, 12:56
:D More toys?? That is?

Same one as what you already know. Ref 5SE. Will be looking to you for run-in tips.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on February 28, 2012, 22:07
Interesting read on the Aida review
http://www.absolutesounds.com/index.php?page=press_view&article_id=478
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on March 15, 2012, 09:35
This is going to be interesting...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=EEXmP8SWibg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=EEXmP8SWibg)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on March 15, 2012, 20:26
This is going to be interesting...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=EEXmP8SWibg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=EEXmP8SWibg)
Looks like it is a higher model than Futura but lower than Aida.  The gap between Aida and Futura is too huge and an in between model makes sense.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: bigtree on March 26, 2012, 14:32
Wow, check out the price of the SF Toy Towers in HK! Not sure if it is cheaper than HER.

(http://www.review33.com/ad/sonusfaber/ad20120326/toy-tower-black2.jpg)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: VUE on March 26, 2012, 21:21
Wow, check out the price of the SF Toy Towers in HK! Not sure if it is cheaper than HER.


For those looking at this pair, u missed a good deal (if is consider so) like a month plus ago. It was at a price that a customer infront of me bought 2 pairs. Heard that he is selling them at Malaysia. I almost going to buy way before but didnt get it as was busy till was there for something else and came across this promotion. So I bought it on the spot.   : )
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Transworld on March 28, 2012, 22:32
Dear SF owners, I don't know did you guys saw the pics in SF Facebook page? I notice the SF HQ are using Marantz cdp and amps to drive the spks. Not to dishonor Marantz, can they really drive the spks potentially? I just curious, the spks might be tuned to match the Marantz.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on March 29, 2012, 01:13
Marantz cdp maybe, but marantz amps will make Sf spks sound too soft and laid back.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on March 29, 2012, 11:29
Dear SF owners, I don't know did you guys saw the pics in SF Facebook page? I notice the SF HQ are using Marantz cdp and amps to drive the spks. Not to dishonor Marantz, can they really drive the spks potentially? I just curious, the spks might be tuned to match the Marantz.

Marantz has great electronics.

For my system matching preference I won't place them together unless you like your music very easy listening. In recent months the new range of SF speakers have been matched with a wide variety of brands at various show, launches, and dealers showroom domestically/US/Europe. I have not heard them all and I am not qualified to say its recommended or not however I felt it depends largely on the kind of sound you pursue.  :)

Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: ginkgonut on March 29, 2012, 12:32
I am using a pair of speaker wires for the Guaneri Homage.

Does it matter if I plug them in in the Upper sockets or the Lower sockets ?

Will the sound  improve very much if I Bi-wire them.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on March 29, 2012, 12:57
You have a pair of treasure there!  ;D

I would love to have a listen if ever I have a chance to. Back to your question I can't really comment on because I don't own the Homage. However, I do biwire my Evolution with Yter cables and I can hear a difference. Its a difference worth upgrading in my opinion but I am not sure if it will have the same performance increase on the Homage.



I am using a pair of speaker wires for the Guaneri Homage.

Does it matter if I plug them in in the Upper sockets or the Lower sockets ?

Will the sound  improve very much if I Bi-wire them.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on March 29, 2012, 13:40
ginkonut, direct biwiring will always be a lot more beneficial.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on March 29, 2012, 14:03
Dear SF owners, I don't know did you guys saw the pics in SF Facebook page? I notice the SF HQ are using Marantz cdp and amps to drive the spks. Not to dishonor Marantz, can they really drive the spks potentially? I just curious, the spks might be tuned to match the Marantz.

I am using Marantz CDP in my system wit SF speakers.  The sound is certainly acceptable to me.  Perhaps the sound may be on the warmer side but this can be tuned with Pre/Pwr amp combination and cables.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on March 29, 2012, 14:06

Used to have the Guarneri Homage for many years, legendary performance :)

If you are using single wire only, it should go to the tweeter.  Guarneri Homage will perform at its best with biwire cables.  Try Yter as suggested by Mousike and you will be surprised.
I am using a pair of speaker wires for the Guaneri Homage.

Does it matter if I plug them in in the Upper sockets or the Lower sockets ?

Will the sound  improve very much if I Bi-wire them.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: ginkgonut on March 29, 2012, 16:11

What does Yter stand for and what s the cost per meter and where to buy it.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on March 29, 2012, 18:22
In short, yter is the result of research by Sf founder, used as internal wires in all the final flagship models during his time at Sf, and also all the current Franco Serblin range speakers.

Yter website: http://www.laboratorium-yter.com/en/introduzione.html
Review: http://www.sumikoaudio.net/yter/idx_awards.htm

It is available at Highend research. Price at $2k+/- for 3m pair I think. For a top quality pure silver-palladium alloy cable, this cost barely covers the material cost and workmanship of it. It's one of the best value high-end/ performance cables out there.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on April 02, 2012, 10:44
Embracing Old and New: Sonus faber Amati Futura Loudspeakers

http://www.ultraaudio.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=225:embracing-old-and-new-sonus-faber-amati-futura-loudspeakers&catid=44:feature-articles&Itemid=37 (http://www.ultraaudio.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=225:embracing-old-and-new-sonus-faber-amati-futura-loudspeakers&catid=44:feature-articles&Itemid=37)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: ginkgonut on May 05, 2012, 18:57
Ok, I am going to Bi-wire using existing cable that I have.

My eixsting cable is the strap type with wires on either sides so that I have to cut the rubber in between to make it easier for each side thick strands of wire to be banana plugged int the back of the Speaker.
Presently there is a bridge of metal between the the Silver binding posts in vertical and the same goes for the Gold binding posts.

Presently the wires which are identified as Black is plugged into the Silver binding post while the Red is plugged into the Gold binding post.

I was told  it does not matter if I plug them on Top or the Bottom.

My Power Amplifier has a pair of 2 screws on the LEFT and a pair of 2 screws on the RIGHT.
Of each pair, one is indicate as " L " and the other " H "
 I suppose "L" stands for Low and "H" stands for High which I believe is the tweeter .

Now for the 1st strap of cable where BOTH wires will be twisted together and screwed onto the " L " of the Amplifier; where should the other end of the strap with each side of wire ending in banana plug of its own be pluggged into.

Should one be plugged into the Top Gold socket and the other plugged into the Bottom Gold socket. ( I have removed the metal bridge )

Similarly the other strap of cable will have both wires twisted together and screwed on the " H " of the Amplifier.
Now the other end of this strap of cable with each wire in a Banana plug will have to go to the TOP Silver binding post and the other banana plug plugged into the Bottom Silver binding post.

I am currently in the midst of plugging and would appreciate members advice if they are free.

Will anything happen if I foul up the connection like the cable from " L " of Amplifier with one wire going to the Gold while the other wire from the same strap going to the Silver binding post , like diagonal instead of vertical.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: malsound on May 05, 2012, 19:13
Ok, I am going to Bi-wire using existing cable that I have.

My eixsting cable is the strap type with wires on either sides so that I have to cut the rubber in between to make it easier for each side thick strands of wire to be banana plugged int the back of the Speaker.
Presently there is a bridge of metal between the the Silver binding posts in vertical and the same goes for the Gold binding posts.

Presently the wires which are identified as Black is plugged into the Silver binding post while the Red is plugged into the Gold binding post.

I was told  it does not matter if I plug them on Top or the Bottom.

My Power Amplifier has a pair of 2 screws on the LEFT and a pair of 2 screws on the RIGHT.
Of each pair, one is indicate as " L " and the other " H "
 I suppose "L" stands for Low and "H" stands for High which I believe is the tweeter .

Now for the 1st strap of cable where BOTH wires will be twisted together and screwed onto the " L " of the Amplifier; where should the other end of the strap with each side of wire ending in banana plug of its own be pluggged into.

Should one be plugged into the Top Gold socket and the other plugged into the Bottom Gold socket. ( I have removed the metal bridge )

Similarly the other strap of cable will have both wires twisted together and screwed on the " H " of the Amplifier.
Now the other end of this strap of cable with each wire in a Banana plug will have to go to the TOP Silver binding post and the other banana plug plugged into the Bottom Silver binding post.

I am currently in the midst of plugging and would appreciate members advice if they are free.

Will anything happen if I foul up the connection like the cable from " L " of Amplifier with one wire going to the Gold while the other wire from the same strap going to the Silver binding post , like diagonal instead of vertical.

Thank you.
ginkgonut, I think you will have better response if you post this question with a self subject title in the audio section of this forum instead of the Sonus faber Speaker Thread



Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: ginkgonut on May 05, 2012, 20:39
Sorry wrong number.

Apologies.

It hs been moved to DIY.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: maxweber on May 14, 2012, 18:17
Downloaded Technical Card For Liuto From here-

http://audiosolutions.net.au/sydney-audio-solutions/reviews/Sonus-Faber-Luito-opinions.html
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: t0tor0 on May 25, 2012, 21:42
hi guys,

i have a pair of cremona m powered by 500wpc.

what would be a better upgrade?

1) adding a REL StantorIII
or
2) changing to a pair of Amati Anniversario

?

thanks!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Lorenzo on May 26, 2012, 00:57
hi guys,

i have a pair of cremona m powered by 500wpc.

what would be a better upgrade?

1) adding a REL StantorIII
or
2) changing to a pair of Amati Anniversario

?

thanks!

option 2
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on May 26, 2012, 09:39
hi guys,

i have a pair of cremona m powered by 500wpc.

what would be a better upgrade?

1) adding a REL StantorIII
or
2) changing to a pair of Amati Anniversario
?
thanks!

Option 2 with 2 caveats : a. Your room is big enough to optimally place the speaker so that it will not boom; b. Your pre and source and power-amp are refined and fast.

The Anniversario is a double-edged sword. With good setup and partnering equipment, it can bring tears to eyes with its musical beauty. Feed it or place it wrongly, and every weakness in upstream component will be highlighted to your face.   
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: dafosal on May 26, 2012, 12:44
Really depends what your after. If you simply want deeper  bass, the sub is an obvious choice. If your looking for an overall improvement in terms of refinement, midrange clarity and soundstage size, the anniversario will be the way to go.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on May 26, 2012, 20:26
FWIW I have tried integrating a sub to my main speakers and after playing with it for a while I prefer it without sub.

If you really crave for the abysmal 20 hertz and below - two active subs with 10 inch drivers and room correction would be a good start. Ideally if you can add in a crossover like the Bryston 10B-SUB otherwise it doesn't quite integrate well with your main speakers.

If you have the space stick with floorstander and upgrade to better quality speakers. The Amati Anniversario is a good and if budget allow do consider the Elipsa SE, Amati Futura or Stradivari.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: t0tor0 on May 27, 2012, 01:50
thanks for all the inputs!

i had listened to both the futura and the anniversario at HER. somehow preferred the anniversario. perhaps that particular pair of futura isn't run in yet. however, when a pair of cremona m was brought in to replace the anniversario, i really didn't think that the difference is not that great. but i only played  1 vocal track after the switch so can't really conclude from there. stradivari did cross my mind but it is hugh and looks intimidating unless placed in a dedicated room.

any comments between the anniversario, futura and cremona m?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on May 27, 2012, 11:15
hi guys,

i have a pair of cremona m powered by 500wpc.

what would be a better upgrade?

1) adding a REL StantorIII
or
2) changing to a pair of Amati Anniversario

?

thanks!

It's the quality not the quantity of wattage that counts. Recently heard a 500 watter digital amp driving Sonus, was a disastrous match imo.

Am still holding on to my Amati anv, as I've not found anything higher in the SF range justifying its value vs performance, (with the Stradivari being the exception). If you are targeting the value sweet spot in this range of budget in the SF line up, you should be looking at either the Amati anv or the Elipsa SE.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: dinoteddy on June 07, 2012, 11:33
Hi SF owners,

anyone has heard a cyrus setup driving a SF cermona auditor m or Homage Guarneri Momento? How do this matching sound?
I'm driving a pair of b&W 805s now and is looking for improvements to warmth, body and clarity.  I read that SF Cremona auditor M has extended highs and musical for jazz. Not sure how will they perform with Cyrus electronics.

Just hope to have some pointers before I go to HER for some serious listening.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: alsonkguan on June 07, 2012, 11:59
Hi, anyone here own SF EA2? What are you driving them with? Maybe a head count will be good.

I will start first.
1) Kho
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on June 07, 2012, 12:52
Hi SF owners,

anyone has heard a cyrus setup driving a SF cermona auditor m or Homage Guarneri Momento? How do this matching sound?
I'm driving a pair of b&W 805s now and is looking for improvements to warmth, body and clarity.  I read that SF Cremona auditor M has extended highs and musical for jazz. Not sure how will they perform with Cyrus electronics.

Just hope to have some pointers before I go to HER for some serious listening.

Hi Dinoteddy, I have not tried this combo and there is no point asking if folks prefer or recommend this - trust your ears. You can try bringing down your Cyrus amplifier to HER, do an A/B with your amp in and without. I am sure the folks at HER will accomodate. Cheers~  :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: francis wu on June 29, 2012, 23:39
Last week in HKG, spotted the Liuto going for HK$15,300 at one of the shops in Yau Shing Commercial Center.  Not sure whether this price is cheaper or more expensive! :P
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on June 30, 2012, 00:08
The Liuto bookshelf or floorstander?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: francis wu on June 30, 2012, 00:18
Think it was for the monitors!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on June 30, 2012, 00:20
Then it's reasonable price.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: deaf.eye on July 01, 2012, 14:16
You can try bringing down your Cyrus amplifier to HER, do an A/B with your amp in and without. I am sure the folks at HER will accomodate.

Interesting statement... It's like sending a lamb to the slaughter house... depends on their mood and whether they WANT to sell that day or not...
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on July 01, 2012, 14:31
Interesting statement... It's like sending a lamb to the slaughter house... depends on their mood and whether they WANT to sell that day or not...

'Slaughter House'?? How so?

Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: deaf.eye on July 01, 2012, 17:20
'Slaughter House'?? How so?
It could be just me then!  Just don't go on a rainy day.  ;D
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on July 01, 2012, 18:19
I have brought my umbrellas there a couple of times...  ;)

I remember when I was searching for my first pair of audiophile speakers I went around auditioning speakers and HER was one of the places I visited. I had a reasonable budget of 2K+ but had no clue what to look for in a pair of speakers or the kind of sound I prefer.

I recalled the guys at HER took the time to walk me through the set up, pass me the remote, let me have the time to simply listen and make my own conclusion. They also lugged around amplifiers for me to try on different speakers and a couple of these speakers were above my budget...in the end I bought a pair of Dynaudio Focus 110 but the buying experience at HER left me a lasting impression. 

When I was upgrading again I went back to HER just to refresh my memory on the sound I heard and I was served by the same person. Though I didn't buy anything the first time and I told him honestly what I bought he didn't treat me any different. In the end my subsequent upgrades were bought from HER and I am glad I did...

I do make a point to call before my visits and arrange at time where is convenient for both parties after all it has to be a willing seller and willing buyer to begin with  :)

Cheers~
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: deaf.eye on July 01, 2012, 21:36
Nice to hear of your good experience shopping there.
A few of the guys have left, and I guess it is Philip who served you.
Philip is nice and friendly!
 ;)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on July 01, 2012, 21:54
Looks like they've just swapped their musical instrument design philosophy for a Formula 1 aerodynamic body design one.

Either way, the Italians excel at it, but I'd rather my speakers carry the formal philosophy.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: deaf.eye on July 01, 2012, 21:58
Don't you think the sloping top is looking more and more like Wilson Benesch?
 ;D ;D ;D

Also, the trend today is having a shallow wave-guide, which I personally like.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on July 01, 2012, 22:56
Worse, and the cabinet is copied from the Tannoy Sixers series ! Now just how innovative can they be ?!

(http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/522/tannoysixers.jpg)

Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on July 01, 2012, 22:57
Seriously hate white on these...its looks like starship troopers!!   ;D

I thought the same on Aida too...but the walnut Aida is real nice and sound even nicer. These new line of speakers not only look different but seems to have a complete different design. Its front ported too...like to add that it seems to gear towards HT??
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on July 01, 2012, 23:06
White is the best base coat for users to spray paint it to whatever colour they like.
I can help you pick a nice room matching colour code if you'd like to try that :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: deaf.eye on July 01, 2012, 23:10
Wilson Benesch sloping top, Tannoy Sixes cabinet, Revel shallow waveguide and a PMC transmission line port, painted in white!  Very interesting leh!
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on July 01, 2012, 23:15
Wilson Benesch sloping top, Tannoy Sixes cabinet, Revel shallow waveguide and a PMC transmission line port, painted in white!  Very interesting leh!
 ;D ;D ;D

= IDENDITY CRISIS,  ha
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: xerox on July 01, 2012, 23:19
= IDENDITY CRISIS,  ha

I realized after Franco left, the company become very commercial, look at the lineup they have now before and after. They seems to release new speaker almost every quarter and do the B&W approach where they have a huge lineup on speaker. I won't be surprise SF will come out with powered speaker for Ipod or PC.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on July 01, 2012, 23:26
That possibly could be what it was and perhaps they can have it in wood grain too... :)

I will reserve my critique until I have heard it...visual cues can sometime be deceiving and its rare to find speakers that excels in both.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: xerox on July 01, 2012, 23:26
Looks like they've just swapped their musical instrument design philosophy for a Formula 1 aerodynamic body design one.

Either way, the Italians excel at it, but I'd rather my speakers carry the formal philosophy.

+1
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on July 01, 2012, 23:47
I realized after Franco left, the company become very commercial, look at the lineup they have now before and after. They seems to release new speaker almost every quarter and do the B&W approach where they have a huge lineup on speaker. I won't be surprise SF will come out with powered speaker for Ipod or PC.

It's the difference between crafting something out of passion, and mass manufacturing for financial returns. Not difficult to foresee that Sf brand is taking the footsteps of B&W and Focal. Mass market and volume instead of niche.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on July 02, 2012, 09:17
SF, Focal, B&W and the like are all for business and the strategies taken may differ from small company like Franco Serblin. This is not surprising as these companies has higher overheads but they are also gunning for much bigger revenue stream versus Franco Serblin. Naturally to produce as many category/line up of product to meet different segment of markets from the very high end to the mass market where there is a growing number of enthusiasts you need a team not just one man to accomplish that.

Having said that all these companies have produced very credible product but not all have performed well. Some did terribly in some reviews while some is truly an amazing piece of work. What matter most is the sound produced that suits you and when it doesn't - pick something else. Also reviews have to be read with a pinch of salt as each reviewer has their own preference of sound. Say for example Accordo recently has a not so fantastic review but that doesn't meant its a terrible speaker either. I still think its subject to preferences and what is the kind of sound each is looking for in a pair of speakers.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on July 02, 2012, 11:32
Sonus Faber and Audio Research are both owned by a commercially motivated investment parent company, Quadrivio SGR. Now these companies are have to pursue investor returns and no longer about mixing business with art.  SF turnover of EUR 9 mio, and ARC turnover of USD 8mio have to increase. Source : Quadrivio website

Now we know where they are heading vis-a-vis Franco's goals.     
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on July 02, 2012, 15:42
Bottom line... pick what you believe in, and...

Believe in what you've picked :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on July 02, 2012, 15:43
Bottom line... pick what you believe in, and...

Believe in what you've picked :)

Agree, I still trust their desginers.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on July 02, 2012, 21:22
Yes, its important you trust your ear and its all in the audition.  :)

Lastly I picked SF.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on July 08, 2012, 11:03
Sonus faber likes it in white nowadays.

(http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/9395/elipsasewhite.jpg)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on July 08, 2012, 16:23
Sonus faber likes it in white nowadays.

Definitely not my choice...  :)

Perhaps a cause of supply & demand. Particularly in the Scandinavian region - are you aware a few manufacturers have displays in white at the recent Munich show?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: nitin jaiswal on July 08, 2012, 23:56
Now a proud owner of Sonus Faber Luito Floor Stand Speakers. Any recommendation for the amp! looking for NAD C390D.

Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on July 10, 2012, 00:16
Now a proud owner of Sonus Faber Luito Floor Stand Speakers. Any recommendation for the amp! looking for NAD C390D.



You'll need a slightly brighter sounding amp to match the Luito Wood floorstander so that it won't sound so dark. Also, powerful enough ideally >100W.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on July 12, 2012, 14:09
Hi Kho...didn't know you posted here  :)

Hey, you have pictures of your EA2 to share?? I bet you looks stunning...you are driving it with tubes are you? Cheers and catch up soon!  :D

Hi, anyone here own SF EA2? What are you driving them with? Maybe a head count will be good.

I will start first.
1) Kho
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: ginkgonut on July 21, 2012, 23:33

I have biwired my SF speakers.

Does it make any difference if I take away the vertical connecting jumpers ?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on July 22, 2012, 08:36
If you have biwire then yes you should removed them since that is part of the reasons going biwire and I am sure you will hear a diff  :)

I have biwired my SF speakers.

Does it make any difference if I take away the vertical connecting jumpers ?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: ginkgonut on July 23, 2012, 20:08
Thanks for the advice.

Now the nuts on the binding posts are oxidies.
I have tried cleaning them with Deoxit 5 but the oxides still remain.

I want to unscrew them out to clean.

What sort of liquid will be able to remove  the green oxides which are quite stubborn.

 
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: ysl on August 01, 2012, 11:54
Fellas,

friend of mine recently bot a SF Elipsa and I went to have a look see and listen to.

The worksmenship and casing of the speaker is stunning. We listened to several tracks on vocals, it was really good.

If you would have any tips, pointers for this speakers, would apprecaite them.

He uses a Mcintosh Pre and Mark Levinson Power amp.

Thanks
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on August 01, 2012, 21:19
Good for your friend. Is his the standard Elipsa or Elipsa SE?

It all depends on how it interacts with your room and equipment. General rule of thumb is to space the speakers clear of front and side walls, and toe-in towards the listening position. Do also experiment with different raking angles. In many instances, they sounded better in more upright angle. The 10" woofers will need substantial high current amp to handle.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: ysl on August 02, 2012, 13:02
Thanks Luv4nature,

sorry, dont know the exact model . They are well clear of the front, but rather near the side walls, and not as upright.

I am going to self invite to his place, do these placements tweaks, and have another listen.

Having seened speakers of such workmenship, really makes me think again, about a pair of speakers that also look great, but that is going to cost .
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: ysl on August 02, 2012, 14:27
Anyone have any idea if High End Audio still distributing SF locally ?

No one seemed to be picking up the phone.

Need some idea on how much is a SF Stradivari ( may not be the right spelling... ) going for .  Thanks for any info that you may have !

Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on August 02, 2012, 15:08
High End Research is still the SF distributor. Call them between 2pm and 7pm. they seldom are fully staffed before noon.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: ysl on August 02, 2012, 19:15
thank you blue starfish,

no wonder no one is picking up the phone...
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on August 20, 2012, 01:09
Mr Giovanni Menato from Fine Sound Group, owner of Sonus Faber, Wadia, REL, ARC and Sumiko came over to my house for a visit yesterday afternoon with Collin and Philip from HER.  Mr Giovanni is on a stopover in Singapore to visit some of the customers of HER to hear from them 1st hand feedback about their products.  This is what I call customer service.  The following are some pixs of the visit.

Mr Giovanni admiring the Amati Futura :)
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Giovanni%20Menato%20-%20Sonus%20Faber/5O9A6148.jpg)

From L to R, Philip, Mr Giovanni and Collin
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Giovanni%20Menato%20-%20Sonus%20Faber/5O9A6137.jpg)

Mr Giovanni himself in the hot seat
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Giovanni%20Menato%20-%20Sonus%20Faber/5O9A6135.jpg)

Another pix of the 3 experts.
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Giovanni%20Menato%20-%20Sonus%20Faber/5O9A6127.jpg)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on August 20, 2012, 09:20
Woh, what a VIP visit! Should have gotten him to sign on your futura.

Did you ask if you can buy some shares in Quadrivio ?  :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on August 20, 2012, 20:57
Woh, what a VIP visit! Should have gotten him to sign on your futura.

Did you ask if you can buy some shares in Quadrivio ?  :)

yeah, forgot to ask him to autograph :)  I have better success in Singapore shares - Cerebos, F&N, Keppel Corp, Super Group.....

Giovanni visited a few other customers during his visit, one of which was Michael from Tampines who recently bought a pair of Amati Futura from HER.  Attached pixs courtesy from Michael.

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Giovanni%20Menato%20-%20Sonus%20Faber/SFAmatiMT.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Giovanni%20Menato%20-%20Sonus%20Faber/IMG_6268.jpg)



Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: johnong on August 20, 2012, 21:58
  Hi Hi Fi Bro

           Can any hi fi guru advise what amp to go with Sonus faber  cremona" M" floor standing ,  I am using a HDB room as my listening room and currently using  yba intgre Alpha which is 50W

     music jazz vocal . budget of amp not more than 3k

           I am not very experience , thanks a lot in advance happy Holiday


       Pei say Pei say !! only 3k lah  not that rich la    is my mistake he he  ;D ;D

          Regards
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: deaf.eye on August 20, 2012, 22:08
budget of amp not more than 3000k

With that budget, you can buy almost any amp in the world you want.  :o
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on August 20, 2012, 22:10
  Hi Hi Fi Bro

           Can any hi fi guru advise what amp to go with Sonus faber  cremona" M" ,  I am using a HDB room as my listening room and currently using  yba intgre Alpha which is 50W

     music jazz vocal . budget of amp not more than 3000k

Hi, you mean $3k right? cos $3,000k =$3M could get you a very good house to place your Cremona M :)

Integre will sureLy not be able to drive your Cremona M to full potential. With your budget, do try out the new Audio Analogue Fortissimo. It is a 100 watter (180w at 4 ohm), it is dynamic, lively and great sounding with a lot of bonus features. It is also made in Italy and its sound signature will complement with the Cremona M very well.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on August 20, 2012, 22:14
yeah, forgot to ask him to autograph :)  I have better success in Singapore shares - Cerebos, F&N, Keppel Corp, Super Group.....

Giovanni visited a few other customers during his visit, one of which was Michael from Tampines who recently bought a pair of Amati Futura from HER.  Attached pixs courtesy from Michael.


Wow, another great futura set up to admire.

p.s. the one in black top and bermudas must be you :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on August 20, 2012, 22:20
Wow, another great futura set up to admire.

p.s. the one in black top and bermudas must be you :)

Hi KC, that's me indeed - too shy to face the camera :-)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: johnong on August 20, 2012, 22:30
Hi, you mean $3k right? cos $3,000k =$3M could get you a very good house to place your Cremona M :)

Integre will sureLy not be able to drive your Cremona M to full potential. With your budget, do try out the new Audio Analogue Fortissimo. It is a 100 watter (180w at 4 ohm), it is dynamic, lively and great sounding with a lot of bonus features. It is also made in Italy and its sound signature will complement with the Cremona M very well.

Thks for your advice  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on August 20, 2012, 22:39
  Hi Hi Fi Bro

           Can any hi fi guru advise what amp to go with Sonus faber  cremona" M" floor standing ,  I am using a HDB room as my listening room and currently using  yba intgre Alpha which is 50W

     music jazz vocal . budget of amp not more than 3k

           I am not very experience , thanks a lot in advance happy Holiday


       Pei say Pei say !! only 3k lah  not that rich la    is my mistake he he  ;D ;D

          Regards

With your type of music and room size, you do not need more watts. Is your problem loose boomy bass or not the sound becomes hard when you play very loud as the amp runs out of steam? If yes to the bass issue, then you should treat room, and place damping footers under each of the spikes.

The bass port at the back does cause uneven bass when placed too close to the wall. I was a Cremona M owner.     
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: meatballz on August 20, 2012, 22:45
Waaa waaaa you buy super expensive speakers, da italian guy n give you a pizza or a bottle of wine meh?

Hehehehe. No flame me ar.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: hmvc on August 20, 2012, 22:46
One question guys.. I see the pic on SF futura close to the wall , wouldn't dat cause issues?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: johnong on August 20, 2012, 22:48
With your type of music and room size, you do not need more watts. Is your problem loose boomy bass or not the sound becomes hard when you play very loud as the amp runs out of steam? If yes to the bass issue, then you should treat room, and place damping footers under each of the spikes.

The bass port at the back does cause uneven bass when placed too close to the wall. I was a Cremona M owner.     

hi bro

      vocal easy listening chinese song like Chai Qin song and room size is 3700 x3100
      sorry what is damping footer ? thks
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on August 20, 2012, 23:10
hi bro

      vocal easy listening chinese song like Chai Qin song and room size is 3700 x3100
      sorry what is damping footer ? thks

The distance from the 2 rear ports to the wall behind it should be at least 1m. What floor are the speakers on?  If concrete, then you will need to place something in-between that stops vibrations from bouncing back upwards through the spikes. If wood floor, the problem is still there, but to a lesser extent.

Chai Qin genre of music, 50w is sufficient. But the YBA must be able to control the twin woofers of the Cremona M otherwise bass will lag behind in music .   
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: johnong on August 20, 2012, 23:25
The distance from the 2 rear ports to the wall behind it should be at least 1m. What floor are the speakers on?  If concrete, then you will need to place something in-between that stops vibrations from bouncing back upwards through the spikes. If wood floor, the problem is still there, but to a lesser extent.

Chai Qin genre of music, 50w is sufficient. But the YBA must be able to control the twin woofers of the Cremona M otherwise bass will lag behind in music .   
I used coin in between the ceramic floor , can i use floor mat in between will this help .
i will follow what your advice , move the speaker away from the wall by one meter

Thanks
Regards
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on August 20, 2012, 23:46
One question guys.. I see the pic on SF futura close to the wall , wouldn't dat cause issues?

It's not ideal for sure.  But I guess far too often it's being limited by practical reasons.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on August 20, 2012, 23:58
  I am using a HDB room as my listening room and currently using  yba intgre Alpha which is 50W

Experimented this combo before for fun (once had both at the same time), it did not sound that starved, just smooth and pleasant, but lacked dynamics and no grip on bass. I think this is what you may be getting now. Considering your room size, you actually need a quick, dynamic and decent (but not too monstrous) amp to have better odds of having the CM to sound better in your room. And yes, important to leave sufficient space from front and side walls.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on August 21, 2012, 00:02
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Giovanni%20Menato%20-%20Sonus%20Faber/SFAmatiMT.jpg)

Is that a Wadia S7i or 381?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on August 21, 2012, 08:43
I think it is a 381.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Laughing on August 21, 2012, 09:38
naise.

with Mcintosh MA7000 int amp i presume....


I think it is a 381.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Mtan on August 21, 2012, 09:55
Hi annapurna, L4N, Laughing

First time posting in this thread, but thanks to annapurna, learning the ropes a little (i am quite useless at these IT and cyberspace thingajigs).  This is a wonderful website/thread; first got the desire to really own the SF after reading some of the postings, seeing the delivery of annapurna's system, L4N's gorgeous speakers and room and many others.  Never knew there were so many technical considerations and tweaks to make any system really perform.

The CD player is a 381, also purchased from HER (they really give first class service, strongly encourage anyone to visit their shop, even if not buying, they will happily chat and set up a system for you to listen to).  I run it through the Mac 2300 and 501s.  The turntable is an Acoustic Signature with an Origin Live Illustrious arm and Grado Sonata.  Due to the large size of the Futura (previously owned the Wilson Benesch Discovery) had to relocate the turntable and hence, it is not connected to the preamp at the moment and i am looking for phono amp and cartridge update (do recall that blue-starfish gave some really good advice to me many years ago on this subject).  Whest 3 costs quite a fair bit, has anyone any experience with the more affordable Whesttwo?

Thanks again to annapurna for visiting and glad to get to know this really friendly chap!

Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on August 21, 2012, 10:06
Try different materials between the spikes and the floor. Rubber pad, felt pad or even paper and combination of materials. The best one is when you feel the speaker cabinet, there is least vibration.

I was using double-spike i.e the speaker's spikes on another set of spikes. There was little cabinet vibration. The difference with double spike was substantial. Sounded like a different speaker. I got coherence top to bottom, deep tight bass, and crisp image focus.

If this works for you, then save your amp money and buy a set of speaker footers/base. Spending $3k on a new amp and not fixing the speaker issue first, very much limits the gains from a new amp.

By the way, I had my pair well clear of front wall, and toed-in to beat wall reflection. I also had a bit of space between my head and the wall behind it  My room is about same size as yours, and I was firing along the length.

The CM is capable of fantastic sound. But rom needs careful tuning to get full capability. What you hear at Hign End Research is far cry from the CM's true capability.     
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: johnong on August 21, 2012, 20:20
Try different materials between the spikes and the floor. Rubber pad, felt pad or even paper and combination of materials. The best one is when you feel the speaker cabinet, there is least vibration.

I was using double-spike i.e the speaker's spikes on another set of spikes. There was little cabinet vibration. The difference with double spike was substantial. Sounded like a different speaker. I got coherence top to bottom, deep tight bass, and crisp image focus.

If this works for you, then save your amp money and buy a set of speaker footers/base. Spending $3k on a new amp and not fixing the speaker issue first, very much limits the gains from a new amp.

By the way, I had my pair well clear of front wall, and toed-in to beat wall reflection. I also had a bit of space between my head and the wall behind it  My room is about same size as yours, and I was firing along the length.

The CM is capable of fantastic sound. But rom needs careful tuning to get full capability. What you hear at Hign End Research is far cry from the CM's true capability.     

Hi bro I am listening very carefully , really thankful to your useful advice . Can't wait to try all out  ;D ;D god bless you ;D ;D
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on August 24, 2012, 22:40
Hi annapurna, L4N, Laughing

First time posting in this thread, but thanks to annapurna, learning the ropes a little (i am quite useless at these IT and cyberspace thingajigs).  This is a wonderful website/thread; first got the desire to really own the SF after reading some of the postings, seeing the delivery of annapurna's system, L4N's gorgeous speakers and room and many others.  Never knew there were so many technical considerations and tweaks to make any system really perform.

The CD player is a 381, also purchased from HER (they really give first class service, strongly encourage anyone to visit their shop, even if not buying, they will happily chat and set up a system for you to listen to).  I run it through the Mac 2300 and 501s.  The turntable is an Acoustic Signature with an Origin Live Illustrious arm and Grado Sonata.  Due to the large size of the Futura (previously owned the Wilson Benesch Discovery) had to relocate the turntable and hence, it is not connected to the preamp at the moment and i am looking for phono amp and cartridge update (do recall that blue-starfish gave some really good advice to me many years ago on this subject).  Whest 3 costs quite a fair bit, has anyone any experience with the more affordable Whesttwo?

Thanks again to annapurna for visiting and glad to get to know this really friendly chap!



Hi Mtan,
Welcome to the thread! Somehow photo of your set up came faster than your first post :) Very nice and tid
y set up you have over there!

The best value for money cartridge right now has got to be Lyra Delos. Do some search and there's no shortage of amazement on the performance of this cartridge. Phono amp wise, perhaps can have a listen to the Audia Flight FL phono amp? JR has it on display at his shop, it looks great and certainly sounds right too. http://www.astrasuite.com/astrablog/audia-flight-fl-phono-stage-and-loading-with-resistors/
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Mtan on August 25, 2012, 07:38
Hi Luv4nature,

Thanks for the recommendations, I shall certainly check it out. At the moment, the turntable is looking a bit forlorn as it is totally not connected to the rest of the system.  Should be able to give the CD player a run for the money if it can be set up properly!  Curiously (maybe the wrong forum for this), but old records appear to sound as good if not better than some of the new prints.  I managed to get my hands on a 1959 Jim Reeves that sounds fantastic, and a few other 1960s oldies that were really better than re-issue LPs and CD reincarnations.

Have arranged my system such because of the small space I have available.  The one small sugestion I can offer anyone who may want to experiment, is that the SFs appear comfortable in this rather constricted space and does not boom.  Having small monitor speakers previously, I was worried that the SFs would not fit, but so far, they seem happy and singing nicely  :P


Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on August 25, 2012, 10:09
Curiously (maybe the wrong forum for this), but old records appear to sound as good if not better than some of the new prints.  I managed to get my hands on a 1959 Jim Reeves that sounds fantastic, and a few other 1960s oldies that were really better than re-issue LPs and CD reincarnations.

Mtan, you are right that 180gm re-issues usually sound worse than the original. But there are a few re-issues that were re-mastered by Kevin Grey/Steve Hoffman before being re-issued. And these are usually better than original or as good. I make do with re-issues of my favourite LPs, until I find a mint used copy. The 50s, 60s and early 70s were the golden era of analog where less was more. My best sounding LPs were from that era when the engineers mixed little, and the oil crisis had not hit. After the oil crisis came, companies used inferior or even recyled vinyl to save cost.

And from the 80s, when the death of LP was predicted (Ha! Ironically LP is now stronger than ever, and CD is dying), albums were mastered for CDs. 80s pop records had good CD sound and so-so LP.  Some exceptions like Jennifer Warnes, MJ, Dire Straits, Linda Ronstadt and country stars produced good LPs throughout.
   
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Mtan on August 25, 2012, 13:27
Hi blue_starfish,

You probably don't recall this, but my current turntable setup is courtesy of your advice. I was using Echoloft  many, many years ago and was asking for advice on turntable upgrades.  You suggested that, among other things, good setups should have separate power supplies and external motors.  So went shopping and tried out this setup.  Unfortunately, didn't really have the time to pursue this hobby of love. Maybe with the SFs in place, will be motivated to have a serious go at it.

Wonder what other SF owners have as their favourite front ends/source to bring out the best in SFs?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on August 25, 2012, 20:33
Wonder what other SF owners have as their favourite front ends/source to bring out the best in SFs?

To bring out best in SF, it is not the source first. Placement, support, room tuning to match and matching amp bring out the sonic beauty of the beast, to match it's looks. L4N's setup is the best SF that I have heard.  Correction, the best period.

As for me, I have neither the space nor the amp that can bring out the best of the Futura. So when time came to upgrade from Cremona M , I gave SF a miss.   
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Chowbotak on August 26, 2012, 01:54
L4N's setup is the best SF that I have heard.  Correction, the best period.


Hey, tats wat I tot too! And it can also ROCK!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on August 26, 2012, 10:29
Am flattered by the comments. Just a very optimized Amati anv set up to defy the usual myths about Sonus faber... :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on August 26, 2012, 10:34
To bring out best in SF, it is not the source first. Placement, support, room tuning to match and matching amp bring out the sonic beauty of the beast, to match it's looks. L4N's setup is the best SF that I have heard.  Correction, the best period.

As for me, I have neither the space nor the amp that can bring out the best of the Futura. So when time came to upgrade from Cremona M , I gave SF a miss.   

Thanks bro! You are right, it's alwasys about system synergy with any speaker or component.

A very interesting transition to WA for you, and look forward for your invitation when things are settled and when coaster wheels are changed to spikes :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on August 26, 2012, 12:51
Hey, tats wat I tot too! And it can also ROCK!

My SF Cremona M, properly supported and driven, out-rocked my previous Living Voice Avatars! It is a misconception that SFs cannot play rock well!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on August 26, 2012, 12:54
Thanks bro! You are right, it's alwasys about system synergy with any speaker or component.

A very interesting transition to WA for you, and look forward for your invitation when things are settled and when coaster wheels are changed to spikes :)

L4N, the WA are already on spikes. But still no WA bass yet unless I crank up the volume :-(
Another 120 hours before it is cooked.  You are always welcome to drop in if passing by even though it is still work-in-progress. 
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Chowbotak on August 26, 2012, 14:46
My SF Cremona M, properly supported and driven, out-rocked my previous Living Voice Avatars! It is a misconception that SFs cannot play rock well!

Yup, the sound of a system is not dependant on one component alone!                           
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on August 30, 2012, 22:59
Having egg tart and chilled chinese tea was a cool thing at the Grand Canyon ! :)

Thanks for the company guys.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: jimi on August 31, 2012, 08:05
Having egg tart and chilled chinese tea was a cool thing at the Grand Canyon ! :)

Thanks for the company guys.

Only after being massaged by a top LP setup and SF Amati house sound! :)

The music is wonderfully coherent now
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on August 31, 2012, 10:33
Having egg tart and chilled chinese tea was a cool thing at the Grand Canyon ! :)

Thanks for the company guys.

Thanks KC for a great time and Clifford for the Egg Tart. We had a great time listening to KC's system and his SF Amati is sounding so much better since my last visit.  KC is the expert when comes to optimising SF spkrs.  Must learn some tricks from him.  Oh, enjoyed the 3D movie as well, great setup with Optoma projector which did not cost a bomb compared to the hifi setup.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on August 31, 2012, 18:29
Only after being massaged by a top LP setup and SF Amati house sound! :)

The music is wonderfully coherent now

...only trying to achieve the next best thing to real music :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on August 31, 2012, 18:31
Thanks KC for a great time and Clifford for the Egg Tart. We had a great time listening to KC's system and his SF Amati is sounding so much better since my last visit.  KC is the expert when comes to optimising SF spkrs.  Must learn some tricks from him.  Oh, enjoyed the 3D movie as well, great setup with Optoma projector which did not cost a bomb compared to the hifi setup.

From now on, no egg tarts no more tips :) :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: naimster on August 31, 2012, 20:37
KC is the expert when comes to optimising SF spkrs.  Must learn some tricks from him. 
Indeed. I have never thought Amatis can be fast until I heard his. Soundstage, imagine and transparency is best in class!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on September 01, 2012, 12:08
Indeed. I have never thought Amatis can be fast until I heard his. Soundstage, imagine and transparency is best in class!
Your "fast" definition certainly don't come by easily. And Delos is part of the winning formula in the analogue chain!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on September 01, 2012, 12:11
Your "fast" definition certainly don't come by easily. And Delos is part of the winning formula in the analogue chain!

And the Krell Evo monoblocks play an important part as well.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on September 01, 2012, 12:20
And the Krell Evo monoblocks play an important part as well.

Yeah, no need for goldmund telos mono here :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: malsound on September 14, 2012, 20:25
http://www.monoandstereo.com/2012/09/interview-with-sonus-faber-livio-cucuzza.html#more (http://www.monoandstereo.com/2012/09/interview-with-sonus-faber-livio-cucuzza.html#more)


Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on September 14, 2012, 23:06
Good interview and sharing. At least now they openly mention about Franco Seblin's presence. A challenge now for this young designer to keep up with the Sonus faber lagacy.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on September 16, 2012, 13:45
After all these years, still a masterpiece in so many special ways.

(http://imageshack.us/a/img842/4397/amatianv16aug2012b.jpg)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: ilovepanerai on September 16, 2012, 16:59
After all these years, still a masterpiece in so many special ways.

L4N,

Absolutely mesmerising picture & speaker. Good take!

Cheers
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on September 17, 2012, 20:17
L4N,

Absolutely mesmerising picture & speaker. Good take!

Cheers

Thanks! Yet to listen to your tidal :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: SilverPS3 on September 17, 2012, 21:26
After all these years, still a masterpiece in so many special ways.

(http://imageshack.us/a/img842/4397/amatianv16aug2012b.jpg)

Nice pic!

Is that marble slate u have under the footers?

Thks.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: kzone on September 17, 2012, 21:40
L4N, how old is she now? She's grown more beautiful over the years! Its amazing how well you have groomed her..
Btw, is that spike shoe new? never noticed it before
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on September 17, 2012, 21:57
Nice pic!

Is that marble slate u have under the footers?

Thks.

You're quite observant. It is granite slab sealed with special coating. Interestingly, the coating happens to be an Italian product too (by chance not by choice).
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on September 17, 2012, 22:13
L4N, how old is she now? She's grown more beautiful over the years! Its amazing how well you have groomed her..
Btw, is that spike shoe new? never noticed it before

Been supported by these footers for a while now, well before your last session. It's the Harmonix RF-999 tuning footers. It imparts a certain positive effect in my case. As with all tuning devices, it's not an universal cure and definite improvement, so one needs to adopt the use accordingly.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on September 17, 2012, 22:31
Very good pic L4N...must really come by someday. Its long overdue!   :D

I recalled you had many other footers underneath the speakers now its so much more neater which is nice. Why the change? About the slate of marble it seems a popular choice particularly in Japanese forum and I have seen many of them under a number of SF speakers. I think not longer ago in a hifi show the Futura had like a 2 inch slate of marble or some kind of stone underneath...I have also seen folks placed one slab of marble for each front lef/right footers while the rear footers are shared with one slab of marble. Its certainly an interesting tweak to explore.


Been supported by these footers for a while now, well before your last session. It's the Harmonix RF-999 tuning footers. It imparts a certain positive effect in my case. As with all tuning devices, it's not an universal cure and definite improvement, so one needs to adopt the use accordingly.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on September 17, 2012, 23:12
Haha, many of those were actually temporary supports. In my case, the granite slab improves the mechnical coupling between speaker and flooring. It works well for most wooden suspended / carpeted floorings. However, often result in reverse effect for hard concrete / tiled flooring.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: cd_sg on September 19, 2012, 13:09
One is almost scared to do outing after seeing all that nice and big stuff here. Anyway this is a real humble, minimalistic straight forward setup  ;D
SF Concerto Domus driven by a Rotel 1060  ::)
I have to admit they are completely underutilized. Only missing thing is a player (eying for months on the Oppo but yet to have to take decision).
For their size they are heavy, I like their sound and the walnut wood, they are slightly too close to the wall but dang space

(http://imageshack.us/a/img526/5075/sf004g.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img707/1152/sf009.jpg)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on September 19, 2012, 15:38
Congrats cd_sg  :)

Yes, Oppo is a nice one and versatile too if you are into HT...enjoy!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on September 19, 2012, 21:27
One is almost scared to do outing after seeing all that nice and big stuff here. Anyway this is a real humble, minimalistic straight forward setup  ;D
SF Concerto Domus driven by a Rotel 1060  ::)
I have to admit they are completely underutilized. Only missing thing is a player (eying for months on the Oppo but yet to have to take decision).
For their size they are heavy, I like their sound and the walnut wood, they are slightly too close to the wall but dang space

Hi cd_sg,

Welcome to the forum. Your Concerto Domus blends with your furniture very well!

This model is front ported, so it is not as bad to place it close to the wall.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: cd_sg on September 19, 2012, 23:08
thanks guys
lol you are right with the front ported ;)

love those Cremonas, will need to wait until kids are grown up and leave house to upgrade

I also prefer the "old" style SF
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Kopi on September 21, 2012, 11:48
Quote
Haha, many of those were actually temporary supports. In my case, the granite slab improves the mechnical coupling between speaker and flooring. It works well for most wooden suspended / carpeted floorings. However, often result in reverse effect for hard concrete / tiled flooring.

What is the footers you are using for the SF Amati? Looks gorgeous!

I have yet to get the best out of the SF....will really need some expert advise :)
More then happy to have u come down and have a listen too... ;)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on September 21, 2012, 13:53
This:

It's the Harmonix RF-999 tuning footers. It imparts a certain positive effect in my case. As with all tuning devices, it's not an universal cure and definite improvement, so one needs to adopt the use accordingly.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: altis72 on October 16, 2012, 10:26
not sure if you have see these photos on sonus faber facebook

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10151257927811064.519480.75096556063&type=1#!/media/set/?set=a.10151257927811064.519480.75096556063&type=1
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: ricky101 on December 22, 2012, 20:10
Recently joined the "family"...
been a fan of these for the longest time - one fine day, suddenly too the plunge :D
And its been a happy relationship all the way!!

I could not believe it was leaps and bounds ahead of my previous speakers - JmLab Electra 1027Be.
Next is to insert a dedicated pre-amp in btw the Marantz AV receiver and Krell Pwr amp  ;)

(http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/482905_4777043551624_1058080399_n.jpg)
(http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/177619_4777044591650_1188397939_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on December 22, 2012, 23:49
Wishing you a Merry Christmas and happy playing tunes from SF!  :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on December 23, 2012, 12:31
Ricky,

Quite a lot of air comes out of the back ports, so  you will get a more balanced sound as well as better definition if you can add more distance between speaker and wall. Or if this is not possible put an absorber directly behind the speaker.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: ricky101 on December 23, 2012, 19:13
BS, thanks for the tip. I was concern abt it being rear ported but it seems ok in my room. The bass not boomy at all. Except the very rare occasions. Very surprised. My past experience is that rear ported design suffers greatly in small room. Anyway, Its not possible to increase the rear wall distance as i am already sitting less than 2.5m away from the spkrs as is.i will tinker with absorbers once i run out of other core improvements.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on December 28, 2012, 23:49
Recently joined the "family"...
been a fan of these for the longest time - one fine day, suddenly too the plunge :D
And its been a happy relationship all the way!!

I could not believe it was leaps and bounds ahead of my previous speakers - JmLab Electra 1027Be.
Next is to insert a dedicated pre-amp in btw the Marantz AV receiver and Krell Pwr amp  ;)

Hi ricky101, great to see your new CM set up here! and good to see another Krell partnering Sf user here at XP.

Just curious, is the white colour household generic power extension hooked up and supplying to your Krell and HT set up?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on December 28, 2012, 23:53
Blue slits are now the new foundation for the Sonus faber Amati anv...

(http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/3275/28dec2012a.jpg)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: ricky101 on January 03, 2013, 00:03
L4N,
Yep those are generic pwr distro.
Many more area the $ need to go to upgrade b4 I look at cables, pwr n such.  :-)


Hi ricky101, great to see your new CM set up here! and good to see another Krell partnering Sf user here at XP.

Just curious, is the white colour household generic power extension hooked up and supplying to your Krell and HT set up?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: ilovepanerai on January 03, 2013, 00:07
Blue slits are now the new foundation for the Sonus faber Amati anv...


Wow L4N... The evolution ones/twos....very nice...bet it many levels UP for the new year!

Enjoy!!

Cheers
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: bigtree on January 15, 2013, 09:29
OMG! The new Sonus Faber Venere 3.0 so gorgeous!

(http://www.soundstageglobal.com/images/stories/ces2013/sonus_faber_venere.jpg)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mingzhen on January 22, 2013, 17:39
Has anyone listened to the new SF Venere series? Heard that the C/P value is very high
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: style on January 22, 2013, 19:12
Hi,
the sonus afber Venere are very aggressive with their price performance

I listened to the "small" 1.5 and apply their full price.

I would like to listen the 3.0 with my system and maybe make a small investment ;)

Termination wood is very nice and well done, I like it. (like almost italy product)

cheers Style
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: malsound on February 04, 2013, 16:38
 http://www.monoandstereo.com/2013/02/sonus-faber-can-you-decipher-clues.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+monoandstereo/HOym+(MONO+AND+STEREO+Ultra+High-End+Audio+Magazine)&m=1  (http://www.monoandstereo.com/2013/02/sonus-faber-can-you-decipher-clues.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+monoandstereo/HOym+(MONO+AND+STEREO+Ultra+High-End+Audio+Magazine)&m=1)

 ??? I still do not get it, can anyone help.


Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on February 04, 2013, 17:34
http://www.monoandstereo.com/2013/02/sonus-faber-can-you-decipher-clues.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+monoandstereo/HOym+(MONO+AND+STEREO+Ultra+High-End+Audio+Magazine)&m=1  (http://www.monoandstereo.com/2013/02/sonus-faber-can-you-decipher-clues.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+monoandstereo/HOym+(MONO+AND+STEREO+Ultra+High-End+Audio+Magazine)&m=1)

 ??? I still do not get it, can anyone help.




Could it be a new high end range from SF, higher than the Amati/Guarneri series?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on February 04, 2013, 21:09
Lots of teasing tactics by Sf marketers nowadays :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: malsound on February 09, 2013, 17:24
Now I Get It!  ;D And I am In Love :P

http://www.pagani.com/ (http://www.pagani.com/)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GRRGasIggs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GRRGasIggs)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIcGHY_Al_I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIcGHY_Al_I)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yusaHnKzb88 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yusaHnKzb88)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on February 22, 2013, 11:45
The wood finish venere seems quite tastefully done !

http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/sonusfaber4/2.html
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: chaozhoi on February 23, 2013, 02:01
Recently joined the "family"...
been a fan of these for the longest time - one fine day, suddenly too the plunge :D
And its been a happy relationship all the way!!

I could not believe it was leaps and bounds ahead of my previous speakers - JmLab Electra 1027Be.
Next is to insert a dedicated pre-amp in btw the Marantz AV receiver and Krell Pwr amp  ;)

(http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/482905_4777043551624_1058080399_n.jpg)
(http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/177619_4777044591650_1188397939_o.jpg)


how does the SF fair for HT usage? I was deciding between SF and B&W. Went ahead with B&W because one of the SF owners told me not to get one if I am into HT.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: ricky101 on February 25, 2013, 08:53
Chaozhoi,

I am probably biased... the SfC is an excellent all rounder.
Not sure why anyone would suggest avoiding them for HT. Usually in HT apps the emphasis is on bass slam and effects. I would say you would need a powerful amp to bring those out.

I actually went to listen to the veneres for potentially getting those for my surrounds. But when I asked to listen to the Cremonas for comparisons I ended up upgrading my fronts!  Poison these are....

I used to have early B&W speakers the 600 series then the CDM1NT. Have liked the 800 for a long time but my preferenc changed when I heard the old range of Cremonas during one of the ISSE show.... rest like they say is history
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on February 25, 2013, 12:25
Chaozhoi,

I am probably biased... the SfC is an excellent all rounder.
Not sure why anyone would suggest avoiding them for HT. Usually in HT apps the emphasis is on bass slam and effects. I would say you would need a powerful amp to bring those out.

I actually went to listen to the veneres for potentially getting those for my surrounds. But when I asked to listen to the Cremonas for comparisons I ended up upgrading my fronts!  Poison these are....

I used to have early B&W speakers the 600 series then the CDM1NT. Have liked the 800 for a long time but my preferenc changed when I heard the old range of Cremonas during one of the ISSE show.... rest like they say is history

I have a friend who is using Amati Anniversarios for his front HT speakers to good effect.  He upgraded from the Cremona M to Elipsa SE and to the Anniversario one after another :)  Now he is thinking of changing to Stavidari Homage.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on March 04, 2013, 08:35
Has he pulled the trigger yet?
 ;)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on March 04, 2013, 09:57
I have a friend who is using Amati Anniversarios for his front HT speakers to good effect.  He upgraded from the Cremona M to Elipsa SE and to the Anniversario one after another :)  Now he is thinking of changing to Stavidari Homage.

Before he puts the Amati aside, he should listen to L4N's Amati setup to hear the Amatis at their best. Well driven and placed with care in a large treated room, L4N's Amatis disappear and in their place is a concert experience.

Dynamics, pace, scale, tonal colours, soundstage and imaging. All there in spades. The decor that L4N has done so that the room looks good and not just sounds good is a lesson for me that it is possible to marry the two opposing sides.   
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on March 06, 2013, 22:01
bsf, good to have you over. Shall listen to your Karan + WA soon :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: francishuang on March 06, 2013, 22:48
Karan with Wilson audio speakers? Am interested to know how's the pairing of Karan n Wilson sounds like. Considering Karan to drive my sophia3
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on March 06, 2013, 22:58
Karan with Wilson audio speakers? Am interested to know how's the pairing of Karan n Wilson sounds like. Considering Karan to drive my sophia3

So as not to go off topic here, will send you a PM.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on March 09, 2013, 00:00
Before he puts the Amati aside, he should listen to L4N's Amati setup to hear the Amatis at their best. Well driven and placed with care in a large treated room, L4N's Amatis disappear and in their place is a concert experience.

Dynamics, pace, scale, tonal colours, soundstage and imaging. All there in spades. The decor that L4N has done so that the room looks good and not just sounds good is a lesson for me that it is possible to marry the two opposing sides.   

Yes, this friend has heard L4N's setup and he is equally impressed.  However,  he is using the Amati for Hometheater front, not for hifi.  For hifi, he has another setup using Wilson Audio Maxx 3.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on March 09, 2013, 10:48
Yes, this friend has heard L4N's setup and he is equally impressed.  However,  he is using the Amati for Hometheater front, not for hifi.  For hifi, he has another setup using Wilson Audio Maxx 3.

Should put the Amati anv with the set up side by side maxx3
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: jimi on March 09, 2013, 11:18
Whaa! Maxx 3! So this is the Spkr upgrade
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: francishuang on March 09, 2013, 11:34
wow, amati maxx3 A/B

Should put the Amati anv with the set up side by side maxx3
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on March 10, 2013, 12:44
For very huge spkers like Amati and Maxx 3, we all know it is very difficult to AB with each other due to the weight and size to move them around.  However, having heard both these spkers in his setup with ARCs and Pass Labs, I feel that the Maxx 3 is a better all rounded spker.  Even my friend feel that his Maxx 3 is a better spker.  Which is why he is now thinking of the Stravidarius which he think may be a closer fight with his Maxx 3 but most likely will be used for HT rather than Audio.  What a waste :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on March 10, 2013, 13:14
To have a good grip and control of the Strad, one would need even bigger amps.... creating more opportunities for HER :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: jimi on March 10, 2013, 13:40
For very huge spkers like Amati and Maxx 3, we all know it is very difficult to AB with each other due to the weight and size to move them around.  However, having heard both these spkers in his setup with ARCs and Pass Labs, I feel that the Maxx 3 is a better all rounded spker.  Even my friend feel that his Maxx 3 is a better spker.  Which is why he is now thinking of the Stravidarius which he think may be a closer fight with his Maxx 3 but most likely will be used for HT rather than Audio.  What a waste :)

Cheh! 7x Maxx3 and be done with it :D
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: bolts on March 18, 2013, 21:36
OMG! The new Sonus Faber Venere 3.0 so gorgeous!

(http://www.soundstageglobal.com/images/stories/ces2013/sonus_faber_venere.jpg)

Nice. I wonder how much these are when they say venere are value for money price point.

I show my wife the picure.  The WAF was very high compared to my thiel speakers.

:)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: malsound on March 18, 2013, 21:57
Nice. I wonder how much these are when they say venere are value for money price point.

I show my wife the picure.  The WAF was very high compared to my thiel speakers.

:)

Totally agree, look very Pharaohrotic and Tutankhamunee.

(http://www.clicnews.ie/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Tutankhamun_Figurines-1024x682.jpg)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on March 18, 2013, 23:29
Totally agree, look very Pharaohrotic and Tutankhamunee.

(http://www.clicnews.ie/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Tutankhamun_Figurines-1024x682.jpg)

You certainly have a very special way to describe the resemblance :) May be Sonus faber need to come out with a limited gold plated version soon.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on March 19, 2013, 09:44
You certainly have a very special way to describe the resemblance :) May be Sonus faber need to come out with a limited gold plated version soon.

And released for sale in the Year of the Ox ......
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: malsound on March 19, 2013, 10:24
(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/funny/1/laughing.gif)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: style on March 19, 2013, 18:00
Hallo,

For the Sonus Faber Fans on July will be consigned the "new" CREMONA M.

The Cremona M wil be erplace from a new model or well from a restyling  :P

in Singapore you dont have any news?

style
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: leslens on March 28, 2013, 03:09
What would be the cost of a new Sonus Faber Venere 2.5 and 3.0 ?

many thanks
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: malsound on April 01, 2013, 13:11
MIC or no MIC this one the price I like :)

 http://www.ultraaudio.com/index.php/equipment-menu/347-sonus-faber-venere-3-0-loudspeakers  (http://www.ultraaudio.com/index.php/equipment-menu/347-sonus-faber-venere-3-0-loudspeakers)


Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: bolts on April 01, 2013, 22:02
wow, cheaper than the new thiel cs 1.7 which is suppose to retail for 5k.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: sevenz on April 01, 2013, 23:34
bros! was reading up on SF, and was quite impressed by the reviews of the bookshelf speakers. Just need some advice from those who have used both B&W & SF speakers before. Cos one day may change to SF.  ;D ;D

Can help to share what's wld be the main differences in SQ & tone between B&W and SF speakers? Assuming my power amp remains as Rotel (200wpc). Speakers wise will stick with bookshelves due to WAF.  :) Thanks in adv!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: chaozhoi on April 02, 2013, 00:35
imo B&W brighter and SF warmer
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mrtan on April 02, 2013, 07:40
http://www.stereophile.com/content/franco-serblin (http://www.stereophile.com/content/franco-serblin)

R.I.P to The founder of SF.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on April 02, 2013, 07:48
What a loss.
R.I.P...Franco, you'll always remain an icon in the Hifi industry.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: sevenz on April 04, 2013, 20:28
imo B&W brighter and SF warmer

Oic... Is rotel good amp to pair with sf ? Currently using a rotel rmb1095 now.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: threelittlepig on April 04, 2013, 23:56
You are pairing a cheapo amp with a high class speaker..... What do you think.... ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: chaozhoi on April 05, 2013, 01:38
Not say cheapo or not, but I believe you won't be bringing out the best of the speakers. Erm, I also using cheapo super old old tube amp for my SF bookshelf :P
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: sevenz on April 05, 2013, 23:00
You are pairing a cheapo amp with a high class speaker..... What do you think.... ;D ;D ;D ;D

serious... rotel cheapo ah... *faint*  :-\

haha... so what amp suitable for SF
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: synthesis on April 06, 2013, 00:24
You are pairing a cheapo amp with a high class speaker..... What do you think.... ;D ;D ;D ;D


You think all SF speakers are high class? :P
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on April 06, 2013, 09:21

haha... so what amp suitable for SF

Good to scroll through to have an idea what amps are used by various Sf users.
Rotel amps are not out of question straight away, it should have no problem to partner with the more efficient models from the basic ranges.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: sevenz on April 06, 2013, 10:19
Good to scroll through to have an idea what amps are used by various Sf users.
Rotel amps are not out of question straight away, it should have no problem to partner with the more efficient models from the basic ranges.

Definitely not getting floorstanders due to waf. Will be bookshelves only. :) and my listening perf is 40/50/10 = bluray concert, movies, stereo. So my stereo usage is minimum, more focussed on 5.1 concerts
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on April 11, 2013, 18:23
Congrats Lorenzo, what a master piece...a legend.  :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Lorenzo on April 12, 2013, 07:42
Congrats Lorenzo, what a master piece...a legend.  :)

haha thanks bro. Today is "D" day. will upload pics later when i take delivery. lol  Officially a member of the SF group.  Please share with me your tweaks to make the SF sound even better. lol.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: skywalker on April 12, 2013, 22:15
haha thanks bro. Today is "D" day. will upload pics later when i take delivery. lol  Officially a member of the SF group.  Please share with me your tweaks to make the SF sound even better. lol.

wah what did you upgrade to??

by the way, does anyone here drives their SF speakers with the Goldmund 390.5 or 390.2?? I heard it the other day with the Venere and the 390.5 really made the Veneres sing very well. Quite impressed with it
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on April 12, 2013, 23:39
haha thanks bro. Today is "D" day. will upload pics later when i take delivery. lol  Officially a member of the SF group.  Please share with me your tweaks to make the SF sound even better. lol.

Congrats Lorenzo.  Try Yter speaker cables, biwire if you have not done that :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on April 13, 2013, 10:49
by the way, does anyone here drives their SF speakers with the Goldmund 390.5 or 390.2?? I heard it the other day with the Venere and the 390.5 really made the Veneres sing very well. Quite impressed with it

SF does have a synergy with Goldmund amps. The slightly warm SF character does go well with the slightly cool Goldmund sound. For many years, I happily ran Cremona M with SR150 and it was a sonically beautiful match.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Lorenzo on April 13, 2013, 10:57
Here comes the pics. Enjoy!

Box
(http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/3097/69667668.jpg)

(http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/812/81471487.jpg)

Unboxing by the friendly guys from HER. Elipsa SE?
(http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/7013/58683639.jpg)

(http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/3918/25504856.jpg)

(http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/5804/61182761.jpg)

Installation of bases.
(http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/3915/61484802.jpg)

(http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/8846/26666608.jpg)

(http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/1882/45564176.jpg)

(http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/6222/15102199.jpg)


Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Lorenzo on April 13, 2013, 11:02
Finally!!!!

(http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/1269/10342550.jpg)

(http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/5410/78080410.jpg)

(http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/1368/31761543.jpg)

(http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/1453/34836067.jpg)

(http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/4318/68258097.jpg)

The Magician.
(http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/3530/76371273.jpg)

Dont have 715. =(
(http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/2176/47958079.jpg)

The massive woofers.
(http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/2638/66638852.jpg)

The STRADIVARI

(http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/7326/56968376.jpg)

(http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/9717/69271278.jpg)

(http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/4581/60897413.jpg)

Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on April 13, 2013, 11:08
Congrats for owning Sonus faber's statement during Franco's era!

Do share your listening joy.

However, I got to say that it isn't complete without a double dose of Yter SC :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Lorenzo on April 13, 2013, 11:12
Congrats for owning Sonus faber's statement during Franco's era!

Do share your listening joy.

However, I got to say that it isn't complete without a double dose of Yter SC :)

Congrats Lorenzo.  Try Yter speaker cables, biwire if you have not done that :)

haha thanks bro but no money to buy Yter liao.  Went in to buy ARC CD9 end up come out with Strad. Thanks to mousike poisoning. 

Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: De mon on April 13, 2013, 11:27
Bro, Very nice stradivari in red violin.. Looks Gorgeous!
Title: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: naimster on April 13, 2013, 12:23
Congrats!

The speaker cables look like theyre almost going to get shorted at the terminals. I'll be worried and do somethin' if I were u.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on April 13, 2013, 13:29
Congratulations Lorenzo. A lovely treat for both the eyes and ears.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: jimi on April 13, 2013, 20:09
They look great! How much for this pair?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: sevenz on April 13, 2013, 20:29
wah super duper swee lorenzo! congrats on your new wife! very beautiful floorstander... hehe.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Lorenzo on April 13, 2013, 22:03
Bro, Very nice stradivari in red violin.. Looks Gorgeous!

Congrats!

The speaker cables look like theyre almost going to get shorted at the terminals. I'll be worried and do somethin' if I were u.

Congratulations Lorenzo. A lovely treat for both the eyes and ears.

They look great! How much for this pair?

wah super duper swee lorenzo! congrats on your new wife! very beautiful floorstander... hehe.

thanks bros. adjusted the spker cables too.


Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: tapedeck on April 14, 2013, 00:37

Congratulations Lorenzo. Finally you have found your Holy Grail of speakers.

It is awesome in aesthetics and I assume if will be fantastic in sound too without a doubt.
Is there any difference in looks than the one Luv4Nature has ions ago ?

You will be asking for expensive tips from him often to get at the Holy Grail of Sound  "As Time Goes By"

Cheers, a satisfied man is a happy man.

 
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: stc on April 14, 2013, 22:06
Hi Lorenzo,
How is your new purchase? Worth the investment?  ;D
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on April 14, 2013, 22:51
Hi Lorenzo,
How is your new purchase? Worth the investment?  ;D

Hi ST,

Thinking of changing your Anniversario for the Stravidari so soon?  Don't need to spend so much since you are going to use it for HT only :) 
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on April 15, 2013, 02:12
Hi Lorenzo,
How is your new purchase? Worth the investment?  ;D

Lorenzo will share with you more but for now I can tell you its worlds apart  ;D
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: jmohd on April 15, 2013, 06:49
Lorenzo, Congrats on the new "lady" shee looking slim and sexy... can tango all night long..
When can we "party" (listen) to her? Goes well with AR gears...
Last, I listened was years ago with Pass Labs X600mono driving..amazing indeed..
Any improvement on the speaker?


(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_UnCSyPBDvhk/Si33GHydb0I/AAAAAAAAAOo/jqK3QOjkk_s/s1600/SonusFaberStradivari-spk.jpg)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Lorenzo on April 15, 2013, 07:08
Congratulations Lorenzo. Finally you have found your Holy Grail of speakers.

It is awesome in aesthetics and I assume if will be fantastic in sound too without a doubt.
Is there any difference in looks than the one Luv4Nature has ions ago ?

You will be asking for expensive tips from him often to get at the Holy Grail of Sound  "As Time Goes By"

Cheers, a satisfied man is a happy man.

 

Thanks bro.  In fact I've dropped L4N a PM to get to know more about this tweaks haha.

Hi Lorenzo,
How is your new purchase? Worth the investment?  ;D

Definately worth it.  This is the most complete speaker I've heard so far.  No regrets even though it costs a bomb.  IMHO, I demoed the Elipsa, Futuras and Anniversario, the Elipsa was the standout winner for me with regards to the Highs and Mids .  However, the lower end was abit lacking.  So as usual bro Mousike went into his poisoning mode and poison me with the Strad.  Then after you know the story. hahaha I  bought this pair without demo and am fully satisfied with the performance so far. 

Things to note are that currently my Pre (ref5se)-Power(ref75) both aren't run in and are at less than 300hours and my speaker have not run in yet.  Even though its not run in, it still sounds great.  Can't wait to hit 600hrs. hahaha.

Lorenzo, Congrats on the new "lady" shee looking slim and sexy... can tango all night long..
When can we "party" (listen) to her? Goes well with AR gears...
Last, I listened was years ago with Pass Labs X600mono driving..amazing indeed..
Any improvement on the speaker?


(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_UnCSyPBDvhk/Si33GHydb0I/AAAAAAAAAOo/jqK3QOjkk_s/s1600/SonusFaberStradivari-spk.jpg)

Thanks bro haha Anytime after I break in my Amps so that we can hear the full potential.  Not too sure about improvement as I never heard it before. lol.

Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on April 15, 2013, 10:24
Thanks bro.  In fact I've dropped L4N a PM to get to know more about this tweaks haha.

Things to note are that currently my Pre (ref5se)-Power(ref75) both aren't run in and are at less than 300hours and my speaker have not run in yet.  Even though its not run in, it still sounds great.  Can't wait to hit 600hrs. hahaha.


Lorenzo, bro L4N has plenty of interesting tweaks up his sleeve for cables, room and equipment which has worked for me too.

Bro Mousike is indeed a master poison assasin. I got a Ref5SE too based on his recommendation. I can concur that the Ref5E only gets very good at close to 500 hours. From 20 hrs to 400+ hrs, if was a torture to my ears.

Can I join in the listening party when your system is ready? 
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: joamonte on April 15, 2013, 13:47

Last, I listened was years ago with Pass Labs X600mono driving..amazing indeed..
Any improvement on the speaker?


(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_UnCSyPBDvhk/Si33GHydb0I/AAAAAAAAAOo/jqK3QOjkk_s/s1600/SonusFaberStradivari-spk.jpg)

LOL , he is using a Harbeth LS 3/5a now.......those good old day, feel like yesterday only....
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: naimster on April 15, 2013, 13:53
I think I heard this setup before long time ago. Jurong West one right? :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mingzhen on April 15, 2013, 17:44
Nobody own the new Venere series?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Cerano on April 15, 2013, 18:58
Nobody own the new Venere series?

I have a set of the 2.5s in white waiting for the 3.0s soon
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: De mon on April 16, 2013, 06:58
I have a set of the 2.5s in white waiting for the 3.0s soon

Great to see some pics of these..
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Lorenzo on April 16, 2013, 07:20
Lorenzo, bro L4N has plenty of interesting tweaks up his sleeve for cables, room and equipment which has worked for me too.

Bro Mousike is indeed a master poison assasin. I got a Ref5SE too based on his recommendation. I can concur that the Ref5E only gets very good at close to 500 hours. From 20 hrs to 400+ hrs, if was a torture to my ears.

Can I join in the listening party when your system is ready? 

haha yea. and expensive tweaks to boot! lol.  You lucky he only poison you with Ref5SE, ytd i kenna poison on Ref10 alrdy.  If you thought Ref5SE is good, you should hear the Ref10.  The Ref5SE no where to stand alrdy. hahaha

Definately can listen bro.  Wait till my system is settled first. I'm contemplating changing my pre and power also. once everything burnt in i'll let you know hehe
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on April 16, 2013, 10:03
I have a set of the 2.5s in white waiting for the 3.0s soon
You are using 2 pairs for your HT set up?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mingzhen on April 16, 2013, 10:55
I have a set of the 2.5s in white waiting for the 3.0s soon

What's your comment on the Venere? They look beautiful to me, especially the white and the wood version. The Venere series designer said the Venere 3.0 is so good that it'll threaten the sales of Cremona. Hmmm interesting...
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Cerano on April 16, 2013, 20:03
Hi all

Nah the 2.5s are a loaner from HER till the 3.0s come. Excellent service from phillip.

The sound is good and impactful will upload some pictures later in the week. White is absolutely beautiful and wood is 2nd for me. White has a very modern futuristic look.

Im using it for HT purposes powered by an LX86. The 2.5 already sounds wonderful and i can only imagine what the 3.0 will sound like
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: ricky101 on April 17, 2013, 09:43
Have heard the 2.5 at HER but its nothing compared to the Cremonas - I was curious about the Venere series after ISSE 2012 so went to have a listen. I ended up being poisoned in getting the Cremonas and traded in my Focal 1027 Be. I seriously doubt v3.0 will threaten the sales of the Cremonas since it two very different price range and targeting very different group of people. I would consider getting the floor stander for surrounds duties ;)

What's your comment on the Venere? They look beautiful to me, especially the white and the wood version. The Venere series designer said the Venere 3.0 is so good that it'll threaten the sales of Cremona. Hmmm interesting...
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: altis72 on April 17, 2013, 10:16
Just wondering if the SF owners could list down your setup eg SF speakers + equipment, like what the guys did for the Focal thread
http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=61969.0
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on April 17, 2013, 13:56
Picture speaks a thousand words :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: skywalker on April 17, 2013, 22:35
Have heard the 2.5 at HER but its nothing compared to the Cremonas - I was curious about the Venere series after ISSE 2012 so went to have a listen. I ended up being poisoned in getting the Cremonas and traded in my Focal 1027 Be. I seriously doubt v3.0 will threaten the sales of the Cremonas since it two very different price range and targeting very different group of people. I would consider getting the floor stander for surrounds duties ;)


interesting, i'm using a Focal 1028BE now so i'm curious as to what made you switch to the Cremona over the 1027BE?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: ricky101 on April 18, 2013, 11:39
The 1027Be is good no doubt, but to my ears the Cremona M is much better.
Maybe my Focal is the older 1st generation....

Specifically, much more solid imaging... the vocals it smack center and more focus and weightier
The highs are magnificent, sweet and smooth and none of the ear piercing type... the ring radiator does its magic
Mids are also natural and warmer...
The bass is also noticeably tighter/musical

Granted, music quality beyond certain price range is largely a matter of personal preference and taste.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on April 18, 2013, 11:57
interesting, i'm using a Focal 1028BE now so i'm curious as to what made you switch to the Cremona over the 1027BE?

Both are good with different presentation. Not one vastly superior to the other based on showroom sound.  Both were on my shortlist 4 years ago and so I critically listened to both. Focal was more detailed, airy and punchy. Cremona M was more seductive in its tonality and timbre especially with strings and voices. To my ears the 1028Be sounded a bit better with my kind of music. Eventually I chose Cremona M mainly due to HER gaving me a great trade-in offer. Jay Audio who was then selling the 1028Be did not do trade-in and when I tried selling previous pair, got low balled.

I did not regret my choice as in my home, the Cremona M absolutely soared in performance compared to how it sounded at HER showroom. After properly supporting, placing and driving it, it morphed into a different creature. It was fast, dynamic, tonally beautiful, did rock wonderfully, created and disappeared in the soundstage of its own making. 

The Cremona M was finally displaced last year by speakers costing much more, when upstream upgrades exposed its performance limit. To this day I still think the Cremona M is class leader at its price point. Its price, size, looks and ability to be driven by mid-power amps makes it a top buy at the price  point.     
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on April 28, 2013, 12:33
Here's a nostalgic one, back during the days when Guarneri Homage were still being supplied. Tour of the city of Vicenza and Sonus faber factory.. It connects the location culture very well with the making of Sf speakers, hardly any other factory has heart and soul, with city culture connected to manufacturing dedication like this.

Taken from the Sonus faber club website:

http://www.sonusfaberclub.com/meetings/sfvisit.html (http://www.sonusfaberclub.com/meetings/sfvisit.html)

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(http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/3494/factory.jpg)

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I think some of the fellow members from Singapore (including those from HER) had the pleasure of factory visit before.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Cerano on April 28, 2013, 17:34
my white venere 3.0 is here will be delivered tomorrow  ;D

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Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on April 28, 2013, 19:24
Sonus faber marketing in action for coming new models...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbi53BQR86E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbi53BQR86E)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Lorenzo on May 08, 2013, 07:49
new speaker has been announced.  Looks to replace the Cremona M range.  No details on pricing yet.

The model is Olympica.  Looks good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zM5V6PFFCI8
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on May 08, 2013, 08:41
Wow...it may even replace the Futura!  :o
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on May 08, 2013, 22:04
Hey Lorenzo...saw this today but I think yours trump it! :D

http://www.celestialsounds.co.za/steves-system/ (http://www.celestialsounds.co.za/steves-system/)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: malsound on May 10, 2013, 06:43
Mouth watering good Olympica  :P
I really did not see this coming, now I have to figure out what it resembles. ;D

 http://www.monoandstereo.com/2013/05/new-sonus-faber-olympica-speakers.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+monoandstereo/HOym+(MONO+AND+STEREO+Ultra+High-End+Audio+Magazine)&m=1  (http://www.monoandstereo.com/2013/05/new-sonus-faber-olympica-speakers.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+monoandstereo/HOym+(MONO+AND+STEREO+Ultra+High-End+Audio+Magazine)&m=1)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on June 11, 2013, 20:33
Blue slits are now the new foundation for the Sonus faber Amati anv...

(http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/3275/28dec2012a.jpg)

Naimster & Key,

Hope you are both pleased with the new benchmark set by these "blue slits" in the system :)
Title: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: naimster on June 16, 2013, 11:04
Naimster & Key,

Hope you are both pleased with the new benchmark set by these "blue slits" in the system :)

Yeap. Impressive! Besides the usual hifi attributes, the biggest upgrade I heard is the massive improvement in terms of musicality, especially for your Wadia  Cdp,
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on June 16, 2013, 15:16
Some minor things done to the cdp too, including rearrangement of the power supply and also re-configure the supports.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: bernie on June 21, 2013, 15:10
Hi all,

Am interested to set up a mini HT in my bedroom, probably 50% music, 50% movies/tv/fox movies. Been auditioning various brands and happen to chanced upon the Sonus Faber brand from another forum. And these speakers really look real good. Went down to the shop selling them and they do sound really nice, a warm and comfortable feel to it.

Am looking at the venere 1.5 pair for the front, hopefully the venere center if my console allows it. However, as the venere surrounds are quite big, and wondering if I can use other brands to use as surrounds, and if possible, which brands will blend into it? My bedroom do not allow my to stand mount the surrounds, so gotta look for ones that are able to wall mount or hanging from the ceiling.

Lastly, is a normal avr like the demon x2000 able to power up these speakers or do I need to invest in some high end amps to power them?

Apologies for the long post, just that I am totally a noob at this. First time building a ht.

Many thanks!!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on June 22, 2013, 21:08
Hi, if you want a compact surround to hang from ceiling, the sperical speakers from Anthoney Gallo can do the job. The tonal balance of rear surround speakers are not as critical as centre channel.

You can get ok sound driven with AV amp, but not fantastic sound. You'd always get better effect with separate pre/pro and power amp.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on June 22, 2013, 22:58
haha thanks bro. Today is "D" day. will upload pics later when i take delivery. lol  Officially a member of the SF group.  Please share with me your tweaks to make the SF sound even better. lol.

Bro Lorenzo, thanks for the good glimpse of your system. Still lots of potential with your Strad to go, keep it up!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: bernie on June 23, 2013, 06:49
Hi, if you want a compact surround to hang from ceiling, the sperical speakers from Anthoney Gallo can do the job. The tonal balance of rear surround speakers are not as critical as centre channel.

You can get ok sound driven with AV amp, but not fantastic sound. You'd always get better effect with separate pre/pro and power amp.

Thank for the advise

For the surround speakers, am I right to say that as long as it is suitable for my application, the brands do not matter that much?

Does it mean that I can temporary wired it to the av receiver while saving up to get a pre/pro and power amp in the future? Which means I would need to get a receiver that has pre outs?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on June 23, 2013, 09:16
Let's say these are acceptable starting points.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: francishuang on June 23, 2013, 09:49
Sf do have surrounds that can be wall mounted as well. U Might wana check with her. But the anthony gallo in ceiling micros will proberly blend in the nicest in a bed room settings. U will need to have a false ceiling for that.  Get the adiva ti version if u r considering that. Those can go much louder than the standard micros
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: bernie on June 23, 2013, 10:20
Thanks francishuang for the info.

Understand that SF do have surrounds from the venere series but they are almost 50cm by 30cm, which definitely will not get approval from the missus.

Where can i go have a look at the anthony gallo speakers and whats the estimated price for them?

Many thanks!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: francishuang on June 23, 2013, 10:24
Art acoustic at adelphi 1st floor. Just opp the side of alpha audio. Pm econav for excat unit number. They do carry quite a lot of sub woofers too. The gallo micros proberly is one of the most wife frenly ard.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: bernie on June 23, 2013, 11:28
Art acoustic at adelphi 1st floor. Just opp the side of alpha audio. Pm econav for excat unit number. They do carry quite a lot of sub woofers too. The gallo micros proberly is one of the most wife frenly ard.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Lorenzo on June 24, 2013, 07:42
Bro Lorenzo, thanks for the good glimpse of your system. Still lots of potential with your Strad to go, keep it up!

Thanks bro. hehe appreciate you sharing your expertise and helping me moving my equipment. 
Cheers
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: krell1 on June 29, 2013, 17:28
Hi bro.s
I am a current Cremona m newer user, can any brothers suggest me to replace the original floor-stand disc to given the bass more shaper, as my speakers only left about 13 inch for the back . Thx
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on June 30, 2013, 10:58
Hi, you may try Boston Audio Tuneblock S carbon graphite spike shoes (http://www.boston-audio.com/tuneblocks.htm), also some bass absorbing traps at corner of your wall.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: krell1 on July 02, 2013, 18:44
Thx Luv4nature ,
I will try to find Boston Audio Tuneblock S in HK :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Casey on July 10, 2013, 20:45
I am very new to this.. Can someone pls tell me where I can listen to and buy sonus Faber speakers in Sg please? Thanks..
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: stc on July 10, 2013, 23:22
Hi End Research 6735 1718
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Casey on July 11, 2013, 06:45
Stc.. Thanks..

Has anyone listened to both the PMC OB1i and the Cremona M? Can pls share with me your opinion? I am thinking between these two speakers. I am using the Musical Fidelity AMS35i integrated. I listen to mainly classical, vocals and operas. Thanks.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on July 11, 2013, 10:32
Stc.. Thanks..

Has anyone listened to both the PMC OB1i and the Cremona M? Can pls share with me your opinion? I am thinking between these two speakers. I am using the Musical Fidelity AMS35i integrated. I listen to mainly classical, vocals and operas. Thanks.

Bring your amp to audition with both speakers in the showroom. Your amp on paper lacks muscle to drive either of the speakers well, so you have to test the match with your kind of music at your volume levels.

PMC need power, and that is why there are commonly paired with high power Bryston SS amps. The Cremona M despite the specs, in reality needs close to 150 good watts and an amp with good bass control to play really well.

   
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Casey on July 11, 2013, 22:52
Thanks blue_starfish for your advice..:-)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: krell1 on July 12, 2013, 07:44
It seems not enough power to drive PMC and Cremona M well if only got 35W per channel.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on July 12, 2013, 20:29
Hi Casey, I have heard both but never in the same room or with the same electronics. Generally PMC is nuetral and transparent while Sonus Faber is on the warmer side if nuetral and musical in presentation. However, you will need a little more juice then 35 watts to drive them well. Cheers~
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Casey on July 13, 2013, 13:28
Thanks  for your advices ppl, really appreciate them..:-)

My AMS 35i is pure class A. Before I bought it, I have also tried the musical fidelity M6 500W class AB integrated amp and my 35 watter out performs and drives the speakers more fully then than the 500 W. so I think power wise the AMS should be okay but I will bring it down when I audition the speakers just to be safe. The only problem is it weighs 30kg...

I have moved my system into my hifi room which is relatively small, 9 x 16 ft.. Suddenly, my music now becomes very communicative and the 'live' feel is very real. However, I am now experiencing some boom and resonant standing waves with my elac 247.. My room is not treated, only full length curtain at the front wall and carpet on the floor with high 2 seater sofa..

Any advice to solve my boom and standing waves problem? Also, in view of this, will the OB1i or Cremona M be too big for my room?

Thanks
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: 5th Avenue on July 13, 2013, 14:57
Thanks  for your advices ppl, really appreciate them..:-)

My AMS 35i is pure class A. Before I bought it, I have also tried the musical fidelity M6 500W class AB integrated amp and my 35 watter out performs and drives the speakers more fully then than the 500 W. so I think power wise the AMS should be okay but I will bring it down when I audition the speakers just to be safe. The only problem is it weighs 30kg...

I have moved my system into my hifi room which is relatively small, 9 x 16 ft.. Suddenly, my music now becomes very communicative and the 'live' feel is very real. However, I am now experiencing some boom and resonant standing waves with my elac 247.. My room is not treated, only full length curtain at the front wall and carpet on the floor with high 2 seater sofa..

Any advice to solve my boom and standing waves problem? Also, in view of this, will the OB1i or Cremona M be too big for my room?

Thanks

IMO, treat your room first before changing any equipment.. :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on July 13, 2013, 19:12
I have moved my system into my hifi room which is relatively small, 9 x 16 ft.. Suddenly, my music now becomes very communicative and the 'live' feel is very real. However, I am now experiencing some boom and resonant standing waves with my elac 247.. My room is not treated, only full length curtain at the front wall and carpet on the floor with high 2 seater sofa..

Both these speakers do have plenty of bass. Speaking from experience, the Cremona M is best placed at least 1m from the front wall, and another 3m from speaker to listening position. And as the the speakers will be placed close to the wall boundaries, you will need to treat your room corners, walls and ceiling extensively in order to make most of the speakers.

Treat your room first, before making any speaker change as this will tell you the lowest notes that can be played well in-room.
 
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Casey on July 13, 2013, 23:49
Thanks very much guys for taking the time to offer me your advice..:-)

I have moved speakers about 1m away from the rear wall and now the standing waves have become much less. I am going to order some bass traps from the local company known as Aural-aids and place them at my four corners plus hybrid panels at the early reflection points then see how.

Monday morning Steve, the guy with the super filter that another thread discussed about is coming to my place to demo his filters and cables...

Shall keep you updated with my progress..:-)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on July 13, 2013, 23:58
Hi Casey, in your case you may like to consider stand mount instead. Mine is in similar room size with no bass traps yet very good bass response. Have a good weekend! ~
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Casey on July 14, 2013, 00:08
Mousike... Can pls share with me what stand mount speakers you are using? Thanks..

I actually thought of that but I have this idea that floor standers will have a fuller frequency range and hence tend to sound fuller..

Any good stand mounts I should audition?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on July 14, 2013, 00:12
Hi Casey, I am using Guarneri Evolution...feel free to PM me if you have further questions. Cheers~
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Post by: mingzhen on July 16, 2013, 14:08
Has anyone auditioned the latest Olympica series? The craftmanship is simply outstanding. Such a beautiful creature...

(http://www.extravaganzi.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/The-Sonus-Faber-Olympica-Speakers-10.jpg)

(http://www.sonusfaber.com/ContentsFiles/7f96b7d3-8765-4098-9ff7-0c3bc550ba31.jpg)

(http://dagogo.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/SF-OLYMPICA-III.jpg)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on July 16, 2013, 16:54
Has anyone auditioned the latest Olympica series? The craftmanship is simply outstanding. Such a beautiful creature...



Wow.   They look wonderful.   Italian craftsmanship at its best.    I hope Vivid Audio is watching   ;D
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Post by: altis72 on July 16, 2013, 22:44
Will the Olympica series replace the cremona series?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: style on July 17, 2013, 01:03
Hi,

yes the Cremona in Europa as "stock of stores" is sold with around 40% discount.... the Cremona M is def. at end of life.....but is a good speaker.

style
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: coeuslee on July 22, 2013, 12:35
Hi all, recently looking at upgrading the amplifier for my Sf Liuto. I am currrently using tube integrated but looking for HT bypass to integrate into my HT set-up.

I like the tubey sound. Anyone with experience pairing Sf with Electrocompaniet / Audio Research / Parasound? What are the sonic signature of these paired with Sf?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: francishuang on July 22, 2013, 15:15
Arc integrateds does not have ht bypass. Only those higher up the range, reference range pre amp has ht bypass.
Parasound new classic range have pre amp have ht bypass. The higher range halo series jc2 pre has ht bypass. But parasound may sound lean for you, esp you are looking for the tubey sound
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: coeuslee on July 22, 2013, 16:00
Wow, that's two strikes off then.

I think I will try to audition i) electrocompaniet EC4.7  ii) Primaluna Dialogue 3 or iii) Conrad Johnson ET3.

Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: francishuang on July 22, 2013, 16:11
Do have a listen to modwright kwi200 integrated. Pretty value for money at ard 5.8k
The ls100 tube pre n kwa100se combo ard 10k is pretty gd as well. I feel modwright sound very similar to arc.
But then again, arc does not sound super tubey.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on July 22, 2013, 19:48
Jadis for warm syrupy sound. They will also warm up your room.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: arsene on July 23, 2013, 08:46
Wow, that's two strikes off then.

I think I will try to audition i) electrocompaniet EC4.7  ii) Primaluna Dialogue 3 or iii) Conrad Johnson ET3.



Isn't Conrad Johnson ET3 a preamp?  If so, you can get ARC SP17 or LS 17SE preamp with HT bypass.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: coeuslee on July 24, 2013, 21:32
Yes. I currently have a Parasound A52 for HT. So hoping to add a gd preamp with HT bypass. Then add a power amp at a later period when I have save up enough funds.

I have an opportunity to buy a second hand LS100 for $2,300 or a Primaluna Dialogue 3 for $1,800. Both came with updated tubes... decisions....
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: francishuang on July 24, 2013, 21:40
Does the ls100 have the sophia 6sn7 in them? It is the recommend by dan wright. I have heard what a big difference it can have on modwright equipment.the sophia tubes are very articulate,  sweet sounding. For a more resolution, quiet n dynamic sound, use the psvane cv181 mkii. Tube roll to individual liking
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: ricky101 on July 25, 2013, 11:42
Any idea on the pricing for the Olympicas?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on July 28, 2013, 12:59
Hope Sf can streamline their product line a bit, let this Olympica line be marketed as the mid tier product range, and then Venere as the entry range, and homage as the top range. It was getting complicated a while ago.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on August 02, 2013, 10:17
Any idea on the pricing for the Olympicas?

MSRP in US$

Olympica III $13,500

Olympica II $10,000

Olympica I $6,500, Stands $1,200
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on August 02, 2013, 10:32
IIRC, SF Cremona M used to retail for USD10,000 a few years ago. The Olympicas replace them, but at a higher price then. 
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: demogoblin on September 13, 2013, 22:51
Bros ask you all a damn silly question. What do you all use to polish your speakers? Anyone uses beeswax here?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: style on September 16, 2013, 18:45
Hi,

in switzerland we have:

O I CHF. 6500.- + stand CHF. 1200.-

O II CHF. 9900.-
O III CHF. 13500.-


-> Cremona M brouchure price is CHF. 10900.- but are available new as "last piece availabe, and other description = dealer will sell a.s.a.p. the Cremona M and replace the M with the Olympica --> CHF. 6200.-  !!!!


Maybe a Cremona M new for CHF. 6200.- can be a bargain vs the monitor Olymica I!!!

OR?

Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: francishuang on September 16, 2013, 18:52
Its definitely a bargain   :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: demogoblin on September 20, 2013, 08:21
Guys, thinking of an Integrated Amp for my Sonus Faber Cremona Auditor. Currently using a Wadia 151 to power it but it seems lacking.... any good recommendations such that I still can hear details even at low volumes?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on September 20, 2013, 09:55
Guys, thinking of an Integrated Amp for my Sonus Faber Cremona Auditor. Currently using a Wadia 151 to power it but it seems lacking.... any good recommendations such that I still can hear details even at low volumes?

Not the M version of the Cremona Auditor right? You must give forumers more info like budget, space constraints, looks constraints, heat dissipation constraints, child safety requirements (tubes can get very hot). Only then will you ger meaningful suggestions.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: demogoblin on September 20, 2013, 10:09
Quote
Not the M version of the Cremona Auditor right? You must give forumers more info like budget, space constraints, looks constraints, heat dissipation constraints, child safety requirements (tubes can get very hot). Only then will you ger meaningful suggestions.

Hi blue_starfish thanks for the reminder.

Yes I am using the non-M version. Wife does not like the sound of the M version.
I am using it as a bedroom set. I am placing it infront of my bed. I have a space of 1.2m*2.5m to play with.
Budget maybe up to 10k. I don't mind pre-own sets.

I am more inclined towards solid states as I got two very young children.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on September 20, 2013, 11:47
From:
X-Audio, Octave and BMC. The Octave is tubed, but has a guard. BMC has a big meter in front
Horizon, Modwright. Also is tubed but tubes are not exposed
AV Intelligence, Devialet (the wife may like the bathroom scale modern looks and it sounds great with digital)
Jay Audio, Karan (simple in looks, but not in sound)
Atlas Sound, Accuphase (has meters)
Norman, Ayre
AVP Soundcraft, SimAudio

Others will recommend other brands.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: demogoblin on September 20, 2013, 12:19
Thanks blue_starfish for the recommendations.

What about Mcintosh? Any bros here use it with Sonus faber Cremona Auditor?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on September 20, 2013, 12:51
What about Mcintosh? Any bros here use it with Sonus faber Cremona Auditor?

It is tubed amp. If exposed tubes with guard is ok, then you should look at Audio Research integrated also from High End Research. This is a known match with SF speakers. If you bought your SF from them, they may even lend you an ARC to try at home.   
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: chansters on November 22, 2013, 16:24
thinking of getting the Venere 1.5 or 2.0.

What would be a good amp to drive them? Don't have fat budget..say around 1.5k to 2k.

Thanks guys
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: demogoblin on November 22, 2013, 17:42
A wadia 151? HER selling it for $1000 at hifi show
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: chansters on November 25, 2013, 21:35
Tks. Looks interesting but would it drive the speakers adequately?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: demogoblin on December 03, 2013, 07:34
Best to try in their show room. Performance is decent

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Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: danlim on December 03, 2013, 14:10
I have a pair of SF Toy in black leather. The surfaces have dust like patches. I have pictures but dont know how to attach. Any idea which brand of leather cleaner to purchase to clean and will it work?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: ricky101 on December 03, 2013, 23:21
Can give mbl a try... their corona line should be within your budget.
I recently replaced my Krell with their Nobel line power amp... loved it.

Guys, thinking of an Integrated Amp for my Sonus Faber Cremona Auditor. Currently using a Wadia 151 to power it but it seems lacking.... any good recommendations such that I still can hear details even at low volumes?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: demogoblin on December 04, 2013, 06:09
Can give mbl a try... their corona line should be within your budget.
I recently replaced my Krell with their Nobel line power amp... loved it.

Thanks ricky101. I have switched to a separate preamp amp to do it. Nut appreciate your reply :)

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Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Lorenzo on December 05, 2013, 07:50
Can give mbl a try... their corona line should be within your budget.
I recently replaced my Krell with their Nobel line power amp... loved it.


bro care to share whats the difference you encountered compared to the Krell?  which components you swapped to the MBL?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: JP-Empire on December 22, 2013, 13:28
Hi folks, yet-to-be-SF-owner signing in.

Has anyone done an AB between Cremona M and Olympica II? I've auditioned both together and the Olympica II fell short of my expectations and did not sound better than Cremona M. Although I must qualify that the Olympica II has yet to be fully run-in and hence not a fair comparison.

Would anyone care to share your experiences and opinions?

I am inclined towards the Olympica II and this is largely due to it being a new model with better technology, refinement in aesthetic detailing and probably better resale value. However, I am uncertain if this will be at the expense of sound quality. Appreciate your thoughts. Thanks.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: francishuang on December 22, 2013, 13:48
How much is each priced? Big diff in pricing?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: JP-Empire on December 22, 2013, 13:56
I was quoted pretty much the same price for either one, locally. Less than five hundred apart, the Olympica being on the higher side. Not posting actual quotations here in case its sensitive.

I am surprised that the prices are pretty similar but was told that Cremona M has 1 more woofer driver. Hmmm.....
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: francishuang on December 22, 2013, 13:57
If its abt the same price, go with ur ears/guts
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on December 22, 2013, 17:19
Cremona M has big rear ports with lots of air coming out. Fine if you are able to give at least a metre distance from back of speaker to the front wall.   
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: JP-Empire on December 22, 2013, 20:46
I was told that the new linear port on the Olympicas will give better placement flexibility over the Cremona M, particularly for the rear wall. This is one plus point for me as I could afford more space on the sides than the rear.

Has anyone who previously owned a Cremona M now uses an Olympica? Would like to know what factors led you to the change.

Also as a general discussion, would you choose walnut or graphite, and why? I know this is an individual's preference but would like to gather some feedback where it has not crossed my mind. 
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Lorenzo on December 23, 2013, 08:22
I was told that the new linear port on the Olympicas will give better placement flexibility over the Cremona M, particularly for the rear wall. This is one plus point for me as I could afford more space on the sides than the rear.

Has anyone who previously owned a Cremona M now uses an Olympica? Would like to know what factors led you to the change.

Also as a general discussion, would you choose walnut or graphite, and why? I know this is an individual's preference but would like to gather some feedback where it has not crossed my mind. 

Walnut is definately nicer to me. Hehe but each to his own.  I wouldn't say which speaker is better but if it sounds better to you then you should get the Cremona M.  Unless you are willing to sacrifice abit on the SQ then get the Olympicas.  From what I understand the bass extension is not as good as the Cremona. 

Looks - Cremona Classic/Vintage, Olympicas Modern Living
SQ - Subjective
Resale value - Sonus Faber products tend to hold their value quite well in the local market and in any case, you can trade in to the local dealer if you had bought it from them when you are upgrading

One suggestion, take a measurement of your room and place the speakers at the same distance from the wall at the dealers showroom.  Have another listen then decide.

Hope this helps.

Cheers
Lorenzo
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on December 23, 2013, 10:06
I was told that the new linear port on the Olympicas will give better placement flexibility over the Cremona M, particularly for the rear wall. This is one plus point for me as I could afford more space on the sides than the rear.

Has anyone who previously owned a Cremona M now uses an Olympica? Would like to know what factors led you to the change.


I was a Cremona M owner for years. By proper positioning, experimenting with supports, and tuning with different speaker cables, I was able to push the sound of the CM wayyyyy beyond how it sounded when I auditioned at HER middle room driven by the same electronics. My CM had an agility, punch and dynamics that was un SF-like, yet retained the magical tonality.

Either one you buy, can sound very good in your home (as any speaker in this price bracket should). You only need to take time and effort to tune the position, seek out suitable supports, and drive it with a capable power amp. Either model will exceed the showroom sound by a large margin

I can only speak for the CM. It sounded best to me when driven with a fast SS amp, that can control the bass. The speakers are fairly easy to drive, but not that easy to control the bass and hence need to be paired with a quality amp of around 100+ watts. Goldmund power amp are an excellent match.     
 
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: JP-Empire on December 23, 2013, 13:38
That's a good tip Lorenzo. Defintely will have another round of audition so I will request for placement dimensions of speakers as well as sitting position according to my home setup.

I've a black velvet curtain backdrop. Walnut would stand out whilst graphite would blend and disappear especially with the lights out (good for HT). Both are nice and I fully agree that one's classic and the other modern - and both I equally like. Dilemma.

Blue_starfish, I am very encouraged by what you said. I am sure you have extensive experience to arrive at where you are today with your CM, will pick your brains once I'm onboard. For now, I'm just not certain if CM and the new Olympica has the same SF sound, since the latter that I auditioned is not fully run-in. Am wondering if anyone has heard more of the Olympicas and able to compare with the CM.
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Post by: mousike on December 23, 2013, 13:51
Hi JP-Empire, I have done some comparison with the Cremona versus the Olympica range of speakers. I think it depends on your preference here and on SQ it's subjective as Lorenzo mentioned. I personally was quite impressed with the highs on Olympica which is rather refine and delicate with a neutral mid tone while it's bass extension is clean and taut. The Cremona has a warmer sound and bass seems to extends further too...further experiments on cables and placements may improve its bass tautness as well.

Hope you find one that suits your taste :)




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Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: JP-Empire on December 23, 2013, 14:01
Thanks mousike. I still kept your PMs dated 18mths ago where you dished out some advice when I was looking for mini monitors vs floorstanders. Am surprised that you have gone from Focus to Auditor to Evolution, what a quantum leap in such a short time. Great job!

I suppose I will need more sessions listening to both of them, I cant put in words which appeal to me more but its the overall package which will eventually triumph. How many hours of run-in does a SF typically requires?
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Post by: blue_starfish on December 23, 2013, 14:11
You don't have to fret so hard on your decision sound wise. Both are SF and will have similar (though not necessarily identical) sonic signatures. At this price point, either one will sound good with proper care and tuning.

Every room has its own character due to frequency dips and humps. What you hear at HER, will not be what you hear at home. Sound of a speaker can be tuned with cables.  Less than desired sound  caused by placement limiations are harder to get rid off. Choose the speaker that has more flexibility in positions in your room. Esp if your room is less smaller than 4.5m x 6m.

Also speaking from experience, Cremona M needs at least 3m from yr ear to the front of the speaker to sound coherent. 
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: JP-Empire on December 23, 2013, 14:35
That's comforting news. Good thing I have not (yet) invested in expensive tweaks, cables and such. Sounds exciting the way you put it. Now that's where the fun begins eh?  ;D

My living room is 3.5m x 10m. But i like the flexibility part. I'll probably need a cooling off period cos my preference seems to fluctuate every few days from CM to Olympica.

Blue_starfish, what speaker/power cables have been shown to bring out the fullest in CM? Olympica has 2 pairs of binding posts whereas CM has one - is this an issue at all in case need to bi-amp?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on December 23, 2013, 14:47
Blue_starfish, what speaker/power cables have been shown to bring out the fullest in CM? Olympica has 2 pairs of binding posts whereas CM has one - is this an issue at all in case need to bi-amp?

Some bros here use multiple runs of Yter cable bring out the best in their higher range of SF. I use Studio Connections. But I warm you in advance that neither Yter not the top Studio Connection will cost less than thousands even for short run.

For best value, I used 2 runs of Ecosse. Less dynamic, but smooth. Down side was I had to turn the volume up louder.   
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on December 23, 2013, 14:58
Hi JP, wow it has been a long time ya ;) Yes, I need to tame my appetite a little.

I guess between 200 to 500 hours should be alright. However, I won't bet on a huge shift in sound signature or characteristics between the Oylmpica and Cremona....btw, will you be using this pair of speakers for HT as well?


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Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: JP-Empire on December 23, 2013, 16:32
Mousike, its all relative. Short for me but long for u. I bet you love every bit of your Evo now so there's no point delaying the purchase if that's what you desired.  ;)

Yes will be using for HT. I hope nobody will come tell me that I've to upgrade my center spkr to the Cremona/Olympica range. I think I can live with timbre mismatch for HT. And will my sub be spared also? Currently using Rhythmik.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on December 23, 2013, 16:57
Bro, funny you mentioned...my wife just asked me today so when I am gonna buy another pair speakers! LOL!!  :P I told her my current pair will last me a VERY long time to come and she gave me that death stare  :-X

If you intend to blend this with sub/s and for both stereo/HT purposes I will highly recommend the Olympica. Yes, preferably the same brand/model of speakers all thru as there will be a tonal difference - not so much on the rear and sub but center. It also depends on how often you play with HT or picky you are with it on HT setup and you may upgrade your center at a later stage. For me I have different brand of surround/center from my front speakers for HT which hasn't bother me much.

Whatever your choice is remember to post some pics here  :)

Oh, lastly....got to be Walnut....I love it!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: JP-Empire on December 24, 2013, 11:38
Walnut - 2: Graphite - 0.

Ideally I would like gloss graphite but unfortunately the models with this finish is out of budget. I think the gloss graphite pairs very well with the mirror trims on the rear and top, as well as the stainless steel outriggers if its the Amati Futura.  :o

So mousike, are you heeding your wife's query seriously?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on December 24, 2013, 22:00
Walnut finish can match with most decor theme well and is quite classy, graphite stands out only with very light colour theme decor, and sometimes can even appear a bit too "synthetic" for me. I also observe that graphite finish is a bit more difficult to move in the used market.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on December 25, 2013, 11:41
Bro, it's dead serious :)

I had the Graphite too and love it but my wife prefers the Walnut...she is right in the end. The walnut does have its charm and you can see the beautiful wood grain clearly...I guess it depends on you house decor as well and graphite may suits better. In the end of the day it's the sound you enjoy~

Lastly Merry Christmas to y'all!


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Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: JP-Empire on December 25, 2013, 22:53
I'm not sure if HER will bring in the graphite Olympicas for demo since there is already a CAM in their showroom with the same graphite finish. Will see how it goes.

Merry Christmas to all!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: hmvc on December 26, 2013, 00:39
How come no one talks abt the red violin colours.. Not gd?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Lorenzo on December 26, 2013, 08:01
How come no one talks abt the red violin colours.. Not gd?

no leh bro...the red violin is for the homage and futura. hehe cremona dont have.  if have I'll first one q up to buy for my surround hehe =X
Red violin is my fav clr hehe
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on December 26, 2013, 21:43
The Red is a real temptress ;p

Of all the Reds...not one is as good as the lady Strad :)


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Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: JP-Empire on December 26, 2013, 21:58
Digress a bit.

Which integrated amp is a good match for SF and yet can double-up as a good performer to drive my LR spkrs during HT? Would prefer this option instead of separates, unless there are compelling reasons to do otherwise. Am trying to keep the number of electronics to a minimum amongst other reasons.

Any advice bros?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: xanlamin on December 31, 2013, 13:46
Hey guys, where can i audition the Venere speakers in Singapore?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: maserluv on February 01, 2014, 17:38
Hi Bro,

My guess is the SF Olypmica II may not match your Karan Acoustics Setup. You are better off with the Audiitor though. YMMV.

Regards Wayne
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on February 02, 2014, 10:45
Just curious as to why Karan will not be a good match?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: chaconne_partita on February 10, 2014, 01:15
Hi All,

I am new to this Forum. Need some advise on SF. My listening area is about 3.6m x 3.6m.
Would Cremona Auditor (Or the small Olympica) or floor standing model is also possible.

Thanks for advise.

 :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: malsound on February 10, 2014, 07:14
They are at it again, slowing strip teasing their new line of speakers in front our very eyes.  :P :D

http://www.youtube.com/v/maOVPzhqrB0&fs=1http://www.youtube.com/v/PADco51MBd4&fs=1
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on February 10, 2014, 09:39
Hi All,

I am new to this Forum. Need some advise on SF. My listening area is about 3.6m x 3.6m.
Would Cremona Auditor (Or the small Olympica) or floor standing model is also possible.

Thanks for advise.

 :)

The stand-mount bookshelves Auditor, Evolution or SF's rival, the Accordo are easiest to play well in smallish rooms. The reason is that their bass response is small room friendly, the tweeters are at ear level when on stands, and can be listened to under 2m distance.

Advantages of bookshelves in small room is the pin-point imaging and coherence across the limited frequency range. 
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on February 10, 2014, 21:13

Hi All,

I am new to this Forum. Need some advise on SF. My listening area is about 3.6m x 3.6m.
Would Cremona Auditor (Or the small Olympica) or floor standing model is also possible.

Thanks for advise.

 :)

Have heard both speakers you mentioned and in similar size rm you mentioned but not square. I reckon you will have less bass issues with the Olympica versus Cremona and I find the highs on Olympica is more refined. If no budget constraints go with Evolution...cheers~


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Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Raemit on February 13, 2014, 10:29
Hi bros,

I'm new to XtremePlace but have been a Sonus Faber fan for a long time. Last month I was lucky to have found a mint pair of Cremona Auditor M but my joy didn't last very long. For some sort of electrical reason, my amp just burned the voice coil of my left speaker completely. I had it rewound to listen to music temporarily and now want to buy an original driver for replacement. Do you know where I can get one in Singapore? Brand new or mint is fine. My tweeter and crossover are in good condition so I would need the woofer driver only for self-service installation. Any advice is highly appreciated.

Raemit
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on February 13, 2014, 11:15

Hi bros,

I'm new to XtremePlace but have been a Sonus Faber fan for a long time. Last month I was lucky to have found a mint pair of Cremona Auditor M but my joy didn't last very long. For some sort of electrical reason, my amp just burned the voice coil of my left speaker completely. I had it rewound to listen to music temporarily and now want to buy an original driver for replacement. Do you know where I can get one in Singapore? Brand new or mint is fine. My tweeter and crossover are in good condition so I would need the woofer driver only for self-service installation. Any advice is highly appreciated.

Raemit

You can contact High End Research or buy on line too...either way should work :)


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Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Raemit on February 13, 2014, 11:28
Thanks, mousike. I prefer contact High End Research. Worst case they don't have the stock, which website has this? I contacted Madisound but they don't have that part number. Cheers.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on February 13, 2014, 14:12

Thanks, mousike. I prefer contact High End Research. Worst case they don't have the stock, which website has this? I contacted Madisound but they don't have that part number. Cheers.

Madisound is one place I thought of too but have not tried others. HER would also be my preference to save the hassle....too bad I can't help you further here. :/


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Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: synthesis on February 13, 2014, 15:07
I believe the woofer model for Cremona M is custom made Scanspeak for SF. There are couple other Scanspeak 15W from Madisound that should work well in the cabinet but the sound may change slightly.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Raemit on February 13, 2014, 16:30
Thanks, synthesis. A friend of mine is going to help me get the original part from the authorized distributor. No worries. Thanks a lot, mates.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: chaconne_partita on February 14, 2014, 02:16
Have heard both speakers you mentioned and in similar size rm you mentioned but not square. I reckon you will have less bass issues with the Olympica versus Cremona and I find the highs on Olympica is more refined. If no budget constraints go with Evolution...cheers~


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Thanks for the recommendation. Actually, one side of the room is open to a bigger dining area. So it's not close room. However, the distance between the listener to the speaker is about 3m. Would Olympica II overwhelm? Evolution, well, that would need a lot of negotiation with the CFO.  ::)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on February 14, 2014, 09:28

Thanks for the recommendation. Actually, one side of the room is open to a bigger dining area. So it's not close room. However, the distance between the listener to the speaker is about 3m. Would Olympica II overwhelm? Evolution, well, that would need a lot of negotiation with the CFO.  ::)

It's getting interesting now...I doubt the Olympica II will overwhelm. What I like about the Olympica series is their refine highs and their bass is taut but not overly heavy. In fact I think a smaller room or placing the speakers closer to a wall will help - placement friendly. The Evolution is a different animal...if you put the Olympica II and GE side by side to A/B you will be in for a shock and awe. :)

Yes, will not an easy to dance  with the CFO on valentines day if you do pick GE and I think you will be happy for a long time with it :p


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Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: chaconne_partita on February 17, 2014, 02:05
Thanks. Will have to find a time to go to HER to audition both Olympica II and GE.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: malsound on March 06, 2014, 13:41
Followup stripteasing :P

http://www.youtube.com/v/ERKUR-Yda7Y&fs=1http://www.youtube.com/v/iELm5yCucIk&fs=1
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Charnel on March 12, 2014, 21:01
How do I remove the cremona auditor speaker plastic caps? The caps seems to be flushed with the speaker terminals. Thanks.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: francis wu on March 12, 2014, 22:19
If there is a hole in the centre of the cap, just get a slightly larger screw head over the size of the hole, screw it in until tight and then pull it out, cap will be come out stuck to the screw!  happy screwing.... ;D  I m joking of course!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Kopi on March 13, 2014, 09:49
Anyone compared the Amati Aniversario and the Futura?
Are there distinct differences sonic wise?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on March 13, 2014, 10:40
Yes there is. The Amati is all about the traditonal SF tonality and exquisite craftsmanship.  The cabinet is made of wood strips as a speaker is believed by Franco Serblin, to be a musical instrument. And hence wood adds a tonality to the sound like on a lute.

Futura is a modern sound, and some will say less coloured. With a cabinet that uses shiny steel to enhance the stunning contemporary glossy looks.

Both are excellent speakers with own set of admirers. Which one is better boils down to personal taste. But do check the amplifier requirements for both carefully if you are intending to buy a pair. Let's just say that these speakers are very demanding of amplifier quality and power in order to sound very very good.   
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Charnel on March 13, 2014, 10:53
If there is a hole in the centre of the cap, just get a slightly larger screw head over the size of the hole, screw it in until tight and then pull it out, cap will be come out stuck to the screw!  happy screwing.... ;D  I m joking of course!
There is no hole at the cap center. I thought of using a needle to make a hole and pull out the caps. But the cap is quite hard to use a needle to poke through.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: francis wu on March 13, 2014, 11:04
I suggest you get the local dealer to remove it as they would have the necessary tools to do it!

Having said, it's strange that the cap has no hole in the centre!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on March 13, 2014, 11:09
There is no hole at the cap center. I thought of using a needle to make a hole and pull out the caps. But the cap is quite hard to use a needle to poke through.

Please attach a picture. Maybe it is designed for use spades or bare wires only (like M series). If you intend to use bananas, then poke the banana through the hole in the terminal and lock in place using the cap.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Charnel on March 13, 2014, 13:42
(http://i856.photobucket.com/albums/ab129/Stratos016/IMG_0857.jpg)
(http://i856.photobucket.com/albums/ab129/Stratos016/IMG_0854.jpg)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: synthesis on March 13, 2014, 13:50
That one simple.
Wedge a flat screwdriver between the plastic and metal to pry open. You may even be able to use your finger nail.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on March 13, 2014, 14:09
I had the same speakers and here is what you need.

A pen knife and preferably the bigger one. Slide in the sharp pen knife edge around it but do it gently without cutting into the middle portion of the plastic plugs. Slowly pry the edge until its a little loose and you can use your finger to pull the entire plastic plugs out. Its fairly simple and take 3 mins top for both speakers.

Hope it helps.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: durianlover88 on March 13, 2014, 18:05
I used my fingernails last time to unplug the plugs...to plug in the banana speaker cables for my Cremona Centre speakers. Use pen knife be careful don't scratch the binding posts
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: malsound on March 13, 2014, 19:09
Part3

http://www.youtube.com/v/hvCP7Z_RP1k&fs=1http://www.youtube.com/v/xqzeUM-diy0&fs=1
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Charnel on March 13, 2014, 19:11
I had the same speakers and here is what you need.

A pen knife and preferably the bigger one. Slide in the sharp pen knife edge around it but do it gently without cutting into the middle portion of the plastic plugs. Slowly pry the edge until its a little loose and you can use your finger to pull the entire plastic plugs out. Its fairly simple and take 3 mins top for both speakers.

Hope it helps.
This is indeed helpful. I try your suggestion and have safely removed the caps. Thank you so much.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on March 13, 2014, 19:12

I used my fingernails last time to unplug the plugs...to plug in the banana speaker cables for my Cremona Centre speakers. Use pen knife be careful don't scratch the binding posts

Good point bro...needs to be surgically removed :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: malsound on March 22, 2014, 10:23
http://www.youtube.com/v/d3ingRi-jLU&feature=share&list=UUXxjBxkeCSOgVaurvEvFSUA&fs=1http://www.youtube.com/v/c9FS1bxaGTg&fs=1
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: skywalker on March 26, 2014, 02:04
Hi guys,

I'm looking to change speakers from my Focal 1028BE to potentially a Sonus Faber. I have a few questions which I'm hoping the SF users here could help me with.

Years ago when I went around looking for speakers, I considered the Liuto floorstanders against the Focal 1028BE. While the price point were different, the thing that made me pick the Focal over a SF was that I found the Liuto to be too warm sounding for me. As a result of my audition of the Liuto, I had the impression that SF has a warmer sound and didn't try the Cremona back then.

Fast forward to today, I'm looking for something different to pair with my Devialet. I'm currently interested in the Elipsa and Elipsa SE. I've read that the tweeter and finish is different but is the SE much better to make it worthwhile getting it over the normal Elipsa?

My other consideration is whether there is placement flexibility for the Elipsa (and SE version). Currently I plan to put them in the living room which is about 6m by 4.5m, with the usual corridor down one side of the hall. However, I may have to move the speakers in the future into the bedroom, which is about 3m by 3m. My concern is the speakers might be too big for the room and would boom? I've seen some videos on youtube showing owners who seem to place them in small rooms and near the corners but it actually sounds pretty good.

Appreciate any pointers and advise and thank you in advance!

Cheers!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on March 26, 2014, 15:06
However, I may have to move the speakers in the future into the bedroom, which is about 3m by 3m. My concern is the speakers might be too big for the room and would boom? I've seen some videos on youtube showing owners who seem to place them in small rooms and near the corners but it actually sounds pretty good.

Appreciate any pointers and advise and thank you in advance!

3m x 3m is too small for Elipsa. Elipsa and CM both need space between speaker to front wall as there are big rear ports that generate air.

Add to this the Elipsa's 1m+ width and the distance between speakers too narrow to throw big stage that the speakers are capable of. Also as the big single woofer is at the bottom, the Elipsa needs distance from speaker to chair to sound coherent top to bottom. Listening almost near-field will not show the true potential of Elipsa.

For the room, Guarnari Evolution standmounts will be a better fit.   
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: skywalker on March 26, 2014, 21:52
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3m x 3m is too small for Elipsa. Elipsa and CM both need space between speaker to front wall as there are big rear ports that generate air.

Add to this the Elipsa's 1m+ width and the distance between speakers too narrow to throw big stage that the speakers are capable of. Also as the big single woofer is at the bottom, the Elipsa needs distance from speaker to chair to sound coherent top to bottom. Listening almost near-field will not show the true potential of Elipsa.

For the room, Guarnari Evolution standmounts will be a better fit.   

thanks bro.. something i will have to give serious consideration. I'll pop by HER this weekend to audition them and also the Guarneri Evolution. I remember being quite impressed by them when I heard them at Mousike's place. But the Elipsa's design is so.... statement :D
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Kozi on March 27, 2014, 09:21
why not the Accardo on sale now?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on March 27, 2014, 10:34
why not the Accardo on sale now?

Agree that the Accordo is also good and should be auditioned with the Guarneri Evolution at HER. In some aspects, the Accordo even better than GE. But the Accordo is LF restricted. I only heard the Accordo sounding very very good when it was paired with one of the better REL sub-woofers.   
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Kozi on March 27, 2014, 10:39
Agree that the Accordo is also good and should be auditioned with the Guarneri Evolution at HER. In some aspects, the Accordo even better than GE. But the Accordo is LF restricted. I only heard the Accordo sounding very very good when it was paired with one of the better REL sub-woofers.

ah yes! and LF is one of the strengths of GE, even over the soulful Momento
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: skywalker on March 27, 2014, 11:13
Agree that the Accordo is also good and should be auditioned with the Guarneri Evolution at HER. In some aspects, the Accordo even better than GE. But the Accordo is LF restricted. I only heard the Accordo sounding very very good when it was paired with one of the better REL sub-woofers.   

Yeah bass is rather important for me as I listen to a fair bit of rock. Hence I still prefer a floorstander if possible. But yes I remember the GE has impressive bass for the size that's y it left quite an impression
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on March 27, 2014, 11:34
Yeah bass is rather important for me as I listen to a fair bit of rock. Hence I still prefer a floorstander if possible. But yes I remember the GE has impressive bass for the size that's y it left quite an impression

Since deep, fast bass is important to your rock biased genre, also have a listen to Wilson Sophia 3 and SF Olympica while at HER. Listen to them almost near-field, like 2m  away from the mids. See if the presentation suits you.

The Sophia 3's bass is easier to tune in smallish room as the rear ports emits less air than SF. The Olympicas have port at side to make placement easier.   
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: durianlover88 on March 27, 2014, 11:37
For the budget of Elipsa SE maybe can go for Sasha...There are few used pairs around...
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on March 27, 2014, 11:53
For the budget of Elipsa SE maybe can go for Sasha...There are few used pairs around...

Cost and size aside, I prefer the sound of Sophia over Sasha. They were designed by Dave Wilson with different goals in mind. But if money, space and matching amps are not issues for me (unfortunately they all are), I will choose the Alexia over either Sophia or Sasha.   
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: skywalker on March 27, 2014, 21:28
good idea since HER also carries Wilson Audio..

On another note, is the Amati Futura of the same character as the Elipsa? The technology on it appears to be different and a bit more modern but how does that influence the sonic character?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: durianlover88 on March 27, 2014, 22:33
good idea since HER also carries Wilson Audio..

On another note, is the Amati Futura of the same character as the Elipsa? The technology on it appears to be different and a bit more modern but how does that influence the sonic character?
Seems like Music Image is carrying both used pairs of Wilson Sasha and Amati Futura. You can refer to their ads. Lately I saw a white pair of Alexia there too...
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: skywalker on March 27, 2014, 22:50
Seems like Music Image is carrying both used pairs of Wilson Sasha and Amati Futura. You can refer to their ads. Lately I saw a white pair of Alexia there too...

oh you are right. thanks DL for pointing it out. i shall go and check them out too.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on March 27, 2014, 23:09
Let us know how the Duette compares with the rest of stand mounts in HER :)


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Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: kzone on March 27, 2014, 23:25
Yeah bass is rather important for me as I listen to a fair bit of rock. Hence I still prefer a floorstander if possible. But yes I remember the GE has impressive bass for the size that's y it left quite an impression

Bro, have u also considered Raidho? rock sounds good on it and doesn't sound bad with ur devialet. The 3.1 is going for a steal on planet sales here. u may end up with another Devialet though!

oh... will be a problem when u move it to the room. maybe just the D1?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: skywalker on March 28, 2014, 01:24
Bro, have u also considered Raidho? rock sounds good on it and doesn't sound bad with ur devialet. The 3.1 is going for a steal on planet sales here. u may end up with another Devialet though!

oh... will be a problem when u move it to the room. maybe just the D1?

ya I did.. but I suspect my devialet won't be able to drive the c3.1 in my existing living room and it will create a fair bit of bass issues when I eventually move it into a smaller room. the C1.1 is still under consideration but still leaning towards a floorstander at the moment. D1 is definitely out of my budget.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: atx2 on March 28, 2014, 08:47
SONUS FABER EX3MA ...  :-X
(http://i59.tinypic.com/2vx3tja.jpg)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on March 28, 2014, 09:51
SONUS FABER EX3MA ...  :-X

The return of the King in reincarnated form!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: landis1 on March 28, 2014, 10:29
SONUS FABER EX3MA ...  :-X

this thing is absolutely gorgeous. Man I am so smitten ;D
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: joagib on March 28, 2014, 10:41
SONUS FABER EX3MA ...  :-X
(http://i59.tinypic.com/2vx3tja.jpg)

Nice one!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on March 28, 2014, 15:13
 "Talk about creating something rare! So rare, in fact, there’s no official retail price for the Ex3ma -- prospective buyers are invited to hear the speaker at Sonus Faber’s factory, and if they want it, only then will price be discussed. If they buy a pair, a senior Sonus Faber staff member will personally install them in their house. Suffice it to say that the Ex3ma isn’t likely to be cheap (Mauro wouldn’t even give me a hint as to how much the company wants for each pair)."

It will be very expensive.  Maybe more than the Aida :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on March 28, 2014, 15:18
I have a mixed feeling on this one.  :-\

Its Ex3ma....they didn't even get the spelling right.

Going through the little details available online I think SF have invested considerably on R&D in Ex3ma. Its not exactly an upgrade or improvement of the legend but a total paradigm shift. They have designed completely new drivers using material such as carbon and beryllium with an impressive extended frequency up to 40K hertz. The chassis is a rigid and light carbon monocoque design but not sure how it will resonate as a cabinet or with SF fans, however its definitely a labour intensive process and an engineering challenge if they manage to get this right. The crossover is hardwired  with no circuit board in place and they have used the most appropriate electronic in its design.

The R&D and Engineering involves to make this speaker is remarkable and I like that. However, its aesthetic is certainly not designed with middle class blue collar workers in mind as it will take a radical re-decor of one house to make this pair of speakers "feels" at home. But I can imagine the ultra rich to have one of the limited thirty pairs in a house like the one below - its definitely Exclusive and I am sure its priced the same.

(http://cdn.hiconsumption.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Hamilton-Scotts-En-Suite-Sky-Garage-Luxury-Apartments-in-Singapore.jpeg)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: altis72 on March 28, 2014, 17:28
Found more info and photos here
http://www.my-hiend.com/vbb/showthread.php?7719
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Kozi on March 28, 2014, 18:04
Oh. .. don't look like a statement to me. I honestly thought it's a beautiful entry or mid level range... perhaps a signum replacement.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: malsound on March 28, 2014, 18:41
Side view look a little like this ;D

(http://www.ioffer.com/img/item/186/080/584/ultraman-max-complete-series-a57b8.jpg)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: malsound on March 28, 2014, 18:48
http://www.youtube.com/v/j_innEF656E&fs=1

It is being a while I seen a speaker with passive radiators .
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Phaton on March 28, 2014, 20:20
€30+ to €40k anyone game? :o
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: skywalker on March 28, 2014, 22:05
i can't help but feel that it looks very much like these:

http://www.vaporsound.com/speakers/aurora/
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on March 29, 2014, 11:11
Hi Skywalker, how is your speakers shopping coming along?

The Aurora link below does look very interesting and you have the choice to upgrade its innards as well. The black/white version looks pretty good and has a pretty big driver that drive down to 31 Hertz - this may just solve your crave for abyss low. However, using two drivers to extend its frequency range bound to have some trade off. I am not sure who carry this brand here and certainly a simple audition will be able to determine its SQ.

I saw your earlier post and suggest an audition on the duette as its small room friendly and you seems to prefer Wilson Audio better? I came across the Da Vinci a 3-way stand mount and it has pretty impressive build with good concept. The response so far seems positive but again the look itself isn't a traditional speaker design  :)

Have a good weekend folks~

http://issuu.com/emmespeakers/docs/da_vinci_technical_overview_-_how_t (http://issuu.com/emmespeakers/docs/da_vinci_technical_overview_-_how_t)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t1.0-9/1622185_747224085295479_1262580656_n.jpg)

i can't help but feel that it looks very much like these:

http://www.vaporsound.com/speakers/aurora/
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: skywalker on March 29, 2014, 11:36
Hi Mousike!  I was looking at the aurora speakers a while back but as I could not audition them locally so I decided to can the idea. The price looks really attractive though.

Anyway I will be heading down to audition the duette later, and possibly the Sophia 3 too. But after a brief listening session to the duette yesterday, I have a feeling my devialet will benefit more from the more emotional presentation of the duette compared to the more neutral presentation of the Sophia. As it is, I noticed HER pairs the ARC amplification with the Sophia while using Goldmund to drive the SF. Shall see if my devialet is capable of making the duette sing!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on March 29, 2014, 12:56
Hey, I assumed the Duette series 2? I would suggest you pack the Devialet and cables in a carrying case and bring it along for audition. Your observation on both Wilson and Devialet synergy confirms my suspicion. I will not be too concern if your Devialet will drive the Duette - I am pretty confident it will and effortlessly.

IMHO SF will have a better synergy with Devialet.

Hi Mousike!  I was looking at the aurora speakers a while back but as I could not audition them locally so I decided to can the idea. The price looks really attractive though.

Anyway I will be heading down to audition the duette later, and possibly the Sophia 3 too. But after a brief listening session to the duette yesterday, I have a feeling my devialet will benefit more from the more emotional presentation of the duette compared to the more neutral presentation of the Sophia. As it is, I noticed HER pairs the ARC amplification with the Sophia while using Goldmund to drive the SF. Shall see if my devialet is capable of making the duette sing!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on March 29, 2014, 13:06
Hi Mousike!  I was looking at the aurora speakers a while back but as I could not audition them locally so I decided to can the idea. The price looks really attractive though.

Anyway I will be heading down to audition the duette later, and possibly the Sophia 3 too. But after a brief listening session to the duette yesterday, I have a feeling my devialet will benefit more from the more emotional presentation of the duette compared to the more neutral presentation of the Sophia. As it is, I noticed HER pairs the ARC amplification with the Sophia while using Goldmund to drive the SF. Shall see if my devialet is capable of making the duette sing!

The pairing at HER is not without reason. The fast and neutral Wilson's sound better with a touch of tubes magic, while the SF does sound better with very fast amps which the Goldmund is. 

I tend to agree with Mousike that the SF Futura with Devialet pairing will be better. But if you like the Wilson slam more but they sound too dry when driven with Devialet, use the PAD cables at HER in-between. They do add some nice colouration.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: skywalker on March 29, 2014, 13:38
Hey, I assumed the Duette series 2? I would suggest you pack the Devialet and cables in a carrying case and bring it along for audition. Your observation on both Wilson and Devialet synergy confirms my suspicion. I will not be too concern if your Devialet will drive the Duette - I am pretty confident it will and effortlessly.

IMHO SF will have a better synergy with Devialet.


Yup bringing the whole works including my wifi router, laptop n cables haha.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: skywalker on March 29, 2014, 13:43
The pairing at HER is not without reason. The fast and neutral Wilson's sound better with a touch of tubes magic, while the SF does sound better with very fast amps which the Goldmund is. 

I tend to agree with Mousike that the SF Futura with Devialet pairing will be better. But if you like the Wilson slam more but they sound too dry when driven with Devialet, use the PAD cables at HER in-between. They do add some nice colouration.

I haven't heard the wilson yet so I'm not sure what impact the bass slam would be. But I was pretty happy with the Elipsa's bass during my brief session. But yeah getting a more neutral speaker would allow me to tune the sound using cables and accessories, similar to what I did when I had my Focal.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on March 29, 2014, 14:07
I haven't heard the wilson yet so I'm not sure what impact the bass slam would be. But I was pretty happy with the Elipsa's bass during my brief session. But yeah getting a more neutral speaker would allow me to tune the sound using cables and accessories, similar to what I did when I had my Focal.

Bro, our speaker paths are running parallel. The 1028Be was high on my list but I eventually went for the SF Cremona M. Now I am on Sophia 3.  I was happy with Cremona M, and even happier with the Wilsons. 
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on March 29, 2014, 16:45
Put the Elipsa SE side by side against the Strad in SQ...you will be impressed and maybe a rethink about which room and how much you willing to part your $ ;)

I haven't heard the wilson yet so I'm not sure what impact the bass slam would be. But I was pretty happy with the Elipsa's bass during my brief session. But yeah getting a more neutral speaker would allow me to tune the sound using cables and accessories, similar to what I did when I had my Focal.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: skywalker on March 29, 2014, 19:53
Haha I guess the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.

I don't dare to listen to the strad man... plus it would be too big even for my existing living room.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: altis72 on April 02, 2014, 17:32
Hi blue_starfish and mousike,

I am an Accuphase user. In your opinion how would SF sound with Accuphase equipment? Thanks in advance.

The pairing at HER is not without reason. The fast and neutral Wilson's sound better with a touch of tubes magic, while the SF does sound better with very fast amps which the Goldmund is. 

I tend to agree with Mousike that the SF Futura with Devialet pairing will be better. But if you like the Wilson slam more but they sound too dry when driven with Devialet, use the PAD cables at HER in-between. They do add some nice colouration.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on April 02, 2014, 18:15
Which Accuphase model and SF speakers you are eyeing on?

Hi blue_starfish and mousike,

I am an Accuphase user. In your opinion how would SF sound with Accuphase equipment? Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: malsound on April 02, 2014, 20:25
50K for a monitor :o

http://www.analogplanet.com/content/italian-speaker-manufacturer-sonus-faber-breaks-mold-celebrating-its-30th-anniversary (http://www.analogplanet.com/content/italian-speaker-manufacturer-sonus-faber-breaks-mold-celebrating-its-30th-anniversary)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: altis72 on April 03, 2014, 15:22
Which Accuphase model and SF speakers you are eyeing on?

Hi mousike, I am using C2420 preamp and A46 power amp. I am considering the Cremona M (not sure if there are stocks left?), Olympica and Amati (if my equipment can handle this speaker and if budget allows).
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on April 03, 2014, 17:08
Hi blue_starfish and mousike,
I am an Accuphase user. In your opinion how would SF sound with Accuphase equipment? Thanks in advance.

I am not familiar with Accuphase character so cannot advise with certainty. I will only mention in general terms and maybe bro mousike can contribute more.

Cremona M is easy to drive but needs amp with good control. However the challenge is being able to place it in the room clear of front and side walls. There are big ports at the rear. If you can provide the space, the speaker will give elegant sound with extended frequencies and lush tonality in a big soundstage, and yet can still rock on pop music. 

Olympicas are easier to place in room as the ports have been re-aligned not to fire towards the back. Also has a better tweeter than Cremona M which can sound strained at the highest frequencies. I am not familiar with these so cannot advise on the amplification needs .

Amatis are big speakers which need big room and plenty of driving power. The best sounding Amatis I have heard were all driven by fast, high power, solid state mono blocks. I am guessing that the 45w Accuphase will not have the power to make the Amatis soar.

Apologies that I cannot give better inputs to your question.     
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on April 03, 2014, 19:07
Hi Altis, a long day...

I now have a slightly better idea of your set up but may I know why you like to upgrade and what speakers you are upgrading from? Roughly how big is the room you plan to have this set up?

Accuphase is really nice electronics but I think finding synergy between equipment is very important. The reason I asked so many questions is so I understand what fits and what don't based on your preference rather then me dishing out suggestions to you. Really also it's not about price of equipment as I have learnt there are very expensive gears out there but if not properly setup or matched it will just be waste of money.

Hope you don't mind my persistent questions! :)

Cheers~


Hi mousike, I am using C2420 preamp and A46 power amp. I am considering the Cremona M (not sure if there are stocks left?), Olympica and Amati (if my equipment can handle this speaker and if budget allows).
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: skywalker on April 03, 2014, 20:07
Does anyone else here use the Elipsa or Elipsa SE? If so how is your Elipsa set up and what is your rake angle like?

And yes I succumbed to the beauty of the Elipsa SE... just absolutely gorgeous to look at and listen too!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on April 03, 2014, 22:11

Congrats my friend and welcome to the SF party! :)

I have no answers for you but I have heard the setup of Stradivari at a friend's place and it was done by HER. It was impressive and very balance. Perhaps invite Philip over for a cup if tea??

Does anyone else here use the Elipsa or Elipsa SE? If so how is your Elipsa set up and what is your rake angle like?

And yes I succumbed to the beauty of the Elipsa SE... just absolutely gorgeous to look at and listen too!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: skywalker on April 04, 2014, 00:38
Congrats my friend and welcome to the SF party! :)

I have no answers for you but I have heard the setup of Stradivari at a friend's place and it was done by HER. It was impressive and very balance. Perhaps invite Philip over for a cup if tea??


Thank you!

Guess I'll let the speakers run in first before inviting him over. For now, I'm still figuring out to best get the most out of them since the wide baffle design is a bit different from normal speaker set up.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on April 04, 2014, 06:25
You may need to push back your listening sweet spot a little more but I am not sure if that this viable.

Depending on the sound you hear...this maybe of interest to you - http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=166521.0 (http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=166521.0)

Lastly, there are lots to tweak and adjust but for now relax and enjoy the music :)

Thank you!

Guess I'll let the speakers run in first before inviting him over. For now, I'm still figuring out to best get the most out of them since the wide baffle design is a bit different from normal speaker set up.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on April 04, 2014, 09:24
Guess I'll let the speakers run in first before inviting him over. For now, I'm still figuring out to best get the most out of them since the wide baffle design is a bit different from normal speaker set up.

Congratulations. A treat for the eyes as well as the ears. See if you persuade Philip to do the installation for you at time of delivery. He is very experienced and good at speaker positioning even in challenging rooms. No need to wait for run in.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: altis72 on April 04, 2014, 12:38
Hi blue_starfish, thanks for your input. Much appreciated!

I am not familiar with Accuphase character so cannot advise with certainty. I will only mention in general terms and maybe bro mousike can contribute more.

Cremona M is easy to drive but needs amp with good control. However the challenge is being able to place it in the room clear of front and side walls. There are big ports at the rear. If you can provide the space, the speaker will give elegant sound with extended frequencies and lush tonality in a big soundstage, and yet can still rock on pop music. 

Olympicas are easier to place in room as the ports have been re-aligned not to fire towards the back. Also has a better tweeter than Cremona M which can sound strained at the highest frequencies. I am not familiar with these so cannot advise on the amplification needs .

Amatis are big speakers which need big room and plenty of driving power. The best sounding Amatis I have heard were all driven by fast, high power, solid state mono blocks. I am guessing that the 45w Accuphase will not have the power to make the Amatis soar.

Apologies that I cannot give better inputs to your question.   
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: altis72 on April 04, 2014, 12:39
Hi mousike, I am currently using 805 diamond speakers and would like to upgrade to a floorstander (preferably with more bass). My living/dining room is 7m long and 4m wide. My current setup is in my living room (3.5m long and 4m wide) and the sofa in the living room is approx 2m from the speakers. Behind the sofa is the dining room (3.5m long and 4m wide). Not sure if you visualise this.

Hi Altis, a long day...

I now have a slightly better idea of your set up but may I know why you like to upgrade and what speakers you are upgrading from? Roughly how big is the room you plan to have this set up?

Accuphase is really nice electronics but I think finding synergy between equipment is very important. The reason I asked so many questions is so I understand what fits and what don't based on your preference rather then me dishing out suggestions to you. Really also it's not about price of equipment as I have learnt there are very expensive gears out there but if not properly setup or matched it will just be waste of money.

Hope you don't mind my persistent questions! :)

Cheers~
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on April 04, 2014, 13:33
Hi Altis,

Nice big room you have!

Lots of folks would be in envy..  :)

Just FYI - http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=166621.0 (http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=166621.0)

You definitely has sufficient space to house any of the foorstanders you mentioned and if I may suggest a used pair of Amati Anniversario maybe worth considering as well. Now SF speakers has traditionally been a sucker for juicy amplifiers so the more quality watts you pump into them the better they perform and in almost every areas of its SQ. I personally would choose a high bias SS A/AB versus others but that is not to say that one is better then others but simply each has its own strengths and it happens to fit my preference in sonic character.

The only wild card is if the single ended class A of 46 watts would be sufficient and this also is dependent on a number of other factors such as your loudness preference, type of music, preferred sonic signature, etc. I have not heard this specific combination but I suggest you to visit the good folks at HER to get an idea what fits.

I have heard of folks lugging amplifiers and preamplifiers down to show room for audition. Its pretty common and I am sure HER will be more then willing to setup the speakers with your electronics.

I hope the above helps.

Cheers~

Hi mousike, I am currently using 805 diamond speakers and would like to upgrade to a floorstander (preferably with more bass). My living/dining room is 7m long and 4m wide. My current setup is in my living room (3.5m long and 4m wide) and the sofa in the living room is approx 2m from the speakers. Behind the sofa is the dining room (3.5m long and 4m wide). Not sure if you visualise this.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: skywalker on April 04, 2014, 14:06
You may need to push back your listening sweet spot a little more but I am not sure if that this viable.

Depending on the sound you hear...this maybe of interest to you - http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=166521.0 (http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=166521.0)

Lastly, there are lots to tweak and adjust but for now relax and enjoy the music :)


By pushing back the seating position, do you mean to sit further back from the end of an equilateral triangle between the speakers and the seating position?

Tony actually came down to help me position. The irony is that the first time he set it up on delivery, the sound was exactly why I went for the Elipsa. But the problem was the speakers were spaced too near one another and it was blocking my projector screen. After we moved it further apart, I haven't been able to achieve that same sense of purity, openness and superb depth and soundstaging.
Title: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on April 04, 2014, 16:13
That is correct because I reckon you may have some soundstage issues due to the limited space. If you limit your tilt in angle and sit a little further things may improve. There will be some compromises here and there and it's never ideal due to space constraints but that's not to say it's not possible to maximize.

Enjoy your weekend!

By pushing back the seating position, do you mean to sit further back from the end of an equilateral triangle between the speakers and the seating position?

Tony actually came down to help me position. The irony is that the first time he set it up on delivery, the sound was exactly why I went for the Elipsa. But the problem was the speakers were spaced too near one another and it was blocking my projector screen. After we moved it further apart, I haven't been able to achieve that same sense of purity, openness and superb depth and soundstaging.


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Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: skywalker on April 04, 2014, 16:24
That is correct because I reckon you may have some soundstage issues due to the limited space. If you limit your tilt in angle and sit a little further things may improve. There will be some compromises here and there and it's never ideal due to space constraints but that's not to say it's not possible to maximize.

Enjoy your weekend!


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Ok I'll give that a try thanks! By the way, tilt in angle is the toe in angle or the rake angle?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on April 04, 2014, 17:24
Pardon me...it's the toe :)

Ok I'll give that a try thanks! By the way, tilt in angle is the toe in angle or the rake angle?


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Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: altis72 on April 04, 2014, 17:28
Hi mousike, thanks for your advice! Will drop by HER for an audition. Cheers.

Hi Altis,

Nice big room you have!

Lots of folks would be in envy..  :)

Just FYI - http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=166621.0 (http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=166621.0)

You definitely has sufficient space to house any of the foorstanders you mentioned and if I may suggest a used pair of Amati Anniversario maybe worth considering as well. Now SF speakers has traditionally been a sucker for juicy amplifiers so the more quality watts you pump into them the better they perform and in almost every areas of its SQ. I personally would choose a high bias SS A/AB versus others but that is not to say that one is better then others but simply each has its own strengths and it happens to fit my preference in sonic character.

The only wild card is if the single ended class A of 46 watts would be sufficient and this also is dependent on a number of other factors such as your loudness preference, type of music, preferred sonic signature, etc. I have not heard this specific combination but I suggest you to visit the good folks at HER to get an idea what fits.

I have heard of folks lugging amplifiers and preamplifiers down to show room for audition. Its pretty common and I am sure HER will be more then willing to setup the speakers with your electronics.

I hope the above helps.

Cheers~
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on April 04, 2014, 17:45
Most welcome...keep us posted  :)

Hi mousike, thanks for your advice! Will drop by HER for an audition. Cheers.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on April 05, 2014, 14:05
Does anyone else here use the Elipsa or Elipsa SE? If so how is your Elipsa set up and what is your rake angle like?

And yes I succumbed to the beauty of the Elipsa SE... just absolutely gorgeous to look at and listen too!

Congrats in your purchase!In the Sf line up at this price range, the Elipsa SE has the best overall performance.

In general, the wide baffle Sfs (i.e. strad and Elipsa) need not be set up too much on its racking angles, and also they do need to be toe-in a little. You really have to move around a bit initially to get the best ideal position for your room.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: skywalker on April 05, 2014, 19:11
Congrats in your purchase!In the Sf line up at this price range, the Elipsa SE has the best overall performance.

In general, the wide baffle Sfs (i.e. strad and Elipsa) need not be set up too much on its racking angles, and also they do need to be toe-in a little. You really have to move around a bit initially to get the best ideal position for your room.

Hi Luv4nature,  thanks for the tips. After playing around a bit and nearly breaking my back moving the Elipsas around, I finally found a spot That made me fall for the speakers.

The biggest impact was moving them about 1m away from the back wall. There after it was a case of adjusting the toe in to get the imaging n soundstaging. Finally the raking angle to get the right body and presence. Awesome speakers!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: demogoblin on April 06, 2014, 08:11
Hi guys do you know where to repair the cloth griddle for cremona? Son went to pull it out of shape...
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on April 06, 2014, 11:26
Do you mean the string grille? If just a one or 2, just tension it and tie new knots at the bottom grille holder. If quite a few affected, you may want to source for similar elastic fabric strings from fabric shops at arab street area for replacement.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on April 06, 2014, 13:28
Hi guys do you know where to repair the cloth griddle for cremona? Son went to pull it out of shape...

Just pull the bottom, tie knots and cut.  It will happen again in the next year or so.  You can pull and cut a few times and eventually you have to replace all of them.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: demogoblin on April 06, 2014, 15:14
Wow I do hope my son grows out of this habit fast. Thanks guys
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on April 07, 2014, 11:46
Posting on behalf of bro Mousike.  His new Sonus Faber Guarneri Evolution special Satin finish.  The 1st satin finish SF in Singapore and I believe in the whole world.  Congrats to Mousike for sharing these tempting pixs to me :)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%20Guarneri%20Evolution%20Satin/IMG-20140330-WA0001_zps68d6ad74.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/Mezzoutopia/media/Sonus%20Faber%20Guarneri%20Evolution%20Satin/IMG-20140330-WA0001_zps68d6ad74.jpg.html)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%20Guarneri%20Evolution%20Satin/IMG-20140330-WA0002_zps4bc0655a.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/Mezzoutopia/media/Sonus%20Faber%20Guarneri%20Evolution%20Satin/IMG-20140330-WA0002_zps4bc0655a.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: kzone on April 07, 2014, 14:41
wow... congrats Bro Mousike! Sooo beautiful....
Ur primary source is now CD9, no more mac mini?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: skywalker on April 07, 2014, 14:54
Wow beautiful! Is this the same speaker but in a different finish??
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: altis72 on April 07, 2014, 15:15
nice photos!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: naimster on April 07, 2014, 15:22
Nothing beats seeing the real thing. :D
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on April 07, 2014, 15:53
Wow beautiful! Is this the same speaker but in a different finish??

That is correct - SF named this as Walnut Satin.

nice photos!

Thanks.

Nothing beats seeing the real thing. :D

I hope you enjoyed the sound too  :)

wow... congrats Bro Mousike! Sooo beautiful....
Ur primary source is now CD9, no more mac mini?

Thanks...Yes and No.

I use the CD9 as a DAC as well and because the SQ of the Mac Mini as source versus the CD9 is so close and at times actually preferred the Mac Mini so I end up using it as a DAC most of the time.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on April 07, 2014, 23:16
Can't resist the Satin finish temptation and decided to get a pair of Red Satin Gray from HER.  Thanks to Mousike for all the advice and pixs that convinced me to go for it.  Here are the pixs taking hastily this evening during the delivery.

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Amati%20Futura%20Satin/CJ5W1649_zpsc7ad4e76.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/Mezzoutopia/media/Amati%20Futura%20Satin/CJ5W1649_zpsc7ad4e76.jpg.html)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Amati%20Futura%20Satin/CJ5W1644_zps4a681f9a.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/Mezzoutopia/media/Amati%20Futura%20Satin/CJ5W1644_zps4a681f9a.jpg.html)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Amati%20Futura%20Satin/CJ5W1670_zpsc7c18fe2.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/Mezzoutopia/media/Amati%20Futura%20Satin/CJ5W1670_zpsc7c18fe2.jpg.html)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Amati%20Futura%20Satin/CJ5W1676_zps43fdf420.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/Mezzoutopia/media/Amati%20Futura%20Satin/CJ5W1676_zps43fdf420.jpg.html)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Amati%20Futura%20Satin/CJ5W1686_zps2bb58327.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/Mezzoutopia/media/Amati%20Futura%20Satin/CJ5W1686_zps2bb58327.jpg.html)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Amati%20Futura%20Satin/CJ5W1678_zps2f901ea8.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/Mezzoutopia/media/Amati%20Futura%20Satin/CJ5W1678_zps2f901ea8.jpg.html)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Amati%20Futura%20Satin/CJ5W1688_zps23e594be.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/Mezzoutopia/media/Amati%20Futura%20Satin/CJ5W1688_zps23e594be.jpg.html)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Amati%20Futura%20Satin/CJ5W1694_zps04455934.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/Mezzoutopia/media/Amati%20Futura%20Satin/CJ5W1694_zps04455934.jpg.html)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Amati%20Futura%20Satin/CJ5W1739_zps82b05d27.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/Mezzoutopia/media/Amati%20Futura%20Satin/CJ5W1739_zps82b05d27.jpg.html)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Amati%20Futura%20Satin/CJ5W1705_zps66ca65e2.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/Mezzoutopia/media/Amati%20Futura%20Satin/CJ5W1705_zps66ca65e2.jpg.html)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Amati%20Futura%20Satin/CJ5W1725_zps59b01337.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/Mezzoutopia/media/Amati%20Futura%20Satin/CJ5W1725_zps59b01337.jpg.html)



Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on April 08, 2014, 07:52
Glad it works out for you - Enjoy~  :)

Can't resist the Satin finish temptation and decided to get a pair of Red Satin Gray from HER.  Thanks to Mousike for all the advice and pixs that convinced me to go for it.  Here are the pixs taking hastily this evening during the delivery.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: naimster on April 08, 2014, 08:16

I hope you enjoyed the sound

Yeap. Massive upgrade from last visit. This time round it certainly piqued my interest to re look into computer audio to replace my Cdp but will take my time on this.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on April 08, 2014, 08:52
Can't resist the Satin finish temptation and decided to get a pair of Red Satin Gray from HER.  Thanks to Mousike for all the advice and pixs that convinced me to go for it.  Here are the pixs taking hastily this evening during the delivery.

Congrats on the new finish, would save you some polishing works i supposed.
Title: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on April 08, 2014, 09:17
You are one tough critique to satisfy but glad I managed! Lol...thanks and have been fun! :)

Yeap. Massive upgrade from last visit. This time round it certainly piqued my interest to re look into computer audio to replace my Cdp but will take my time on this.


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Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on April 08, 2014, 09:51
Mousike and Annapurna

Congratulations on acquiring visually enhanced version of your toys. Very nice eye candy to go with ear candy. Is it only the finishing that has changed and the sound remains the same? 

I guess the running in starts all over again!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on April 08, 2014, 11:22
Congrats on the new finish, would save you some polishing works i supposed.
Yes, the Satin does not need to be often polished as confirmed by Mousike who has owned his satin Guarneri for quite a while.  SF even provide a cleaning solution for the wood and satin finish.

Mousike and Annapurna

Congratulations on acquiring visually enhanced version of your toys. Very nice eye candy to go with ear candy. Is it only the finishing that has changed and the sound remains the same? 

I guess the running in starts all over again!

I've not listened to it yet.  Pixs don't do justice to this satin finishing and the speakers build has improved as well - the strings are different with higher tension and the metal and wood joints seemed to be seamless.  I'll be moving the speakers to the hall soon and hopefully it will sound better than in my existing small room.  Looks like an eqpt upgrade is needed as well :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on April 08, 2014, 11:45
I've not listened to it yet.  Pixs don't do justice to this satin finishing and the speakers build has improved as well - the strings are different with higher tension and the metal and wood joints seemed to be seamless.  I'll be moving the speakers to the hall soon and hopefully it will sound better than in my existing small room.  Looks like an eqpt upgrade is needed as well :)

Finally speakers can breathe properly in hall. New power amps and TT to complement looks of the SF?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on April 08, 2014, 13:12
Hello thanks~

Mine upgraded long time ago leow...just didn't bother to post and yes it should be super run-in now  :)

I think there are folks still prefer the gloss finish but I am totally sold on the satin idea/finish. Less care needed and overall the current built is definitely a lot better - this is an improvement over an already a very well crafted instrument. That said, I am always endlessly tweaking and trying to make it better...otherwise not an Audiophile right... :D

Sound wise I don't think there is much difference but its hard to tell because I didn't get a chance to A/B the new and new/old? Honestly, before the upgrade I have auditioned a number of other standmounts at home that cost twice as much as the GE - I actually have to pay for home audition cannot believe it. There was a pair that I almost jump for it but didn't pull the trigger as I am not 100% convince its better and in the end I still prefer the sound from GE. Wait...please...not suggesting GE is the world best monitor or standmount out there. Sonic characteristic is a preference that is very subjective from person to person so I won't go down that path - I trust my ears :)

Annapurna, you will get a free upgrade of SQ almost instantly when your setup shift out to a larger space. It will be interesting to hear your feedback from there.

Okie dokie...have fun and enjoy the music!~

Mousike and Annapurna

Congratulations on acquiring visually enhanced version of your toys. Very nice eye candy to go with ear candy. Is it only the finishing that has changed and the sound remains the same? 

I guess the running in starts all over again!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on April 08, 2014, 13:23
Hello thanks~

Mine upgraded long time ago leow...just didn't bother to post and yes it should be super run-in now  :)

I think there are folks still prefer the gloss finish but I am totally sold on the satin idea/finish.

Guess SF should have launched the matte satin version from the start for the tropical region. Anyway your walnut finish matches with the GE design better than the previous red finish IMO.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on April 08, 2014, 13:40

Yes, the walnut...but my previous was graphite lah... :)

Still...yes the walnut...mmmm :p

Hey, will take this off line but will pay you a visit soon!

Guess SF should have launched the matte satin version from the start for the tropical region. Anyway your walnut finish matches with the GE design better than the previous red finish IMO.


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Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on April 08, 2014, 23:12
Yes, the walnut...but my previous was graphite lah... :)

Still...yes the walnut...mmmm :p

Hey, will take this off line but will pay you a visit soon!


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I agree Guarneri looks best in Walnut finish.  I was given a choice of Graphite Black, Walnut and Red and decided on Red as I feel Amati looks best in Violin Red.

Finally speakers can breathe properly in hall. New power amps and TT to complement looks of the SF?

Preamp will come first. The rest will come later :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: jimi on April 08, 2014, 23:37
hopefully a rack will come first haha
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on April 09, 2014, 00:10
All good bro...all good...  :)

I agree Guarneri looks best in Walnut finish.  I was given a choice of Graphite Black, Walnut and Red and decided on Red as I feel Amati looks best in Violin Red.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on April 12, 2014, 11:10
Any XP bro here owns the olympica series ?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on April 12, 2014, 12:27

Bro, care to share your thoughts? :)

Any XP bro here owns the olympica series ?


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Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on April 12, 2014, 14:32
I want to look for a chance to listen in a home set up to pass judgement, as I know how different the experience would be if listened at HER
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on April 12, 2014, 14:54
I want to look for a chance to listen in a home set up to pass judgement, as I know how different the experience would be if listened at HER
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on April 12, 2014, 15:31
Sponsorship for a pair is welcomed
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on April 12, 2014, 15:56
True true...most show room set is limited to what they have and may not bring out the real potential of the speakers but if match or setup right it's a different story. May the Olympian please stand up! :)

I want to look for a chance to listen in a home set up to pass judgement, as I know how different the experience would be if listened at HER
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mystream on April 12, 2014, 21:05
Any XP bro here owns the olympica series ?

I own a pair of Olympica 2, walnut finish...
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on April 12, 2014, 21:22
Congrats! So you finally pulled the trigger?
Any photo teaser ?  :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: hmvc on April 12, 2014, 21:26
Olympica 3 top the speakers at japan stereo mag for price range up to 160 k yen
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mystream on April 12, 2014, 22:37
Congrats! So you finally pulled the trigger?
Any photo teaser ?  :)

Thanks. As requested:

(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a592/edmundlooi/IMG-20140329-WA0001-1_zpsda081b95.jpg)

(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a592/edmundlooi/IMG-20140329-WA0002_zps2b3d3700.jpg)

Pictures taken by a friend.

Regards
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on April 12, 2014, 23:11
Congrats~!

Very nice  8)

What electronics are you using to drive it?

I own a pair of Olympica 2, walnut finish...
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on April 12, 2014, 23:52
I'm using Karan KA I 180 now. Planning for a Karan Pre/ Power setup in the near future.

My favorite integrated! I do not think you need the extra power or control with the Olympicas. The KAI180 is very good already. Unless you want better timbre and harmonics, then match Karan KAS180 power with ARC pre. 
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: audiokit on April 13, 2014, 00:52
I'm using Karan KA I 180 now. Planning for a Karan Pre/ Power setup in the near future.

+1 (Very nice!)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on April 13, 2014, 04:54
A nice setup and in fact a few folks have suggested I try Karan too  :)

I'm using Karan KA I 180 now. Planning for a Karan Pre/ Power setup in the near future.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mystream on April 13, 2014, 10:35
I listened to the O2 with 2 different setup at HER, the first time with goldmung integrated (small room), 2nd time with audio research pre and power setup (big room). But I like it more in my home setup, not sure whether it's the electronic or room...

I believe there should be more O2 users, because it was the only model that was sold out when it first arrive in SG.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on April 13, 2014, 10:37
Both, apparently  :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on April 13, 2014, 10:54
A nice setup and in fact a few folks have suggested I try Karan too  :)

I am using the Ref5SE with Karan power now, running fully balanced end-to-end. Very good combination. Power and speed with elegance and grace.   
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on April 13, 2014, 14:49

Thanks for the kind suggestions folks...you guys are not the only ones making this suggestion. Meanwhile too busy but will definitely include the Karan in my list. :)

You should..IMO, it's very VFM.
I am using the Ref5SE with Karan power now, running fully balanced end-to-end. Very good combination. Power and speed with elegance and grace.


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Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: francishuang on April 13, 2014, 21:58
Seems like a karan ksa400 is up for sale in the market place
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on April 13, 2014, 22:27

Yup, some time back I think ;)

Seems like a karan ksa400 is up for sale in the market place


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Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on April 18, 2014, 22:03
I'm using Karan KA I 180 now. Planning for a Karan Pre/ Power setup in the near future.

Your Karan certainly matches well with the OII pretty well. For that matter, i would reckon that Karan amps should go well with all the newer range Sf spks (such as GE, AF, and the other Olymicas).

Thanks for the session in letting me have a chance to listen to your OII in a proper home set up :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: stc on April 18, 2014, 23:08
Your Karan certainly matches well with the OII pretty well. For that matter, i would reckon that Karan amps should go well with all the newer range Sf spks (such as GE, AF, and the other Olymicas).
Thanks for the session in letting me have a chance to listen to your OII in a proper home set up :)

So you are going to upgrade your SF speakers soon? :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mystream on April 18, 2014, 23:12
Your Karan certainly matches well with the OII pretty well. For that matter, i would reckon that Karan amps should go well with all the newer range Sf spks (such as GE, AF, and the other Olymicas).

Thanks for the session in letting me have a chance to listen to your OII in a proper home set up :)

You are welcome. Thanks for helping me repositioned the speakers. Will be looking at a decent front end next.

Cheers
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on April 19, 2014, 11:37
So you are going to upgrade your SF speakers soon? :)
We're always in a state of changing for the better aren't we ? :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on April 19, 2014, 11:51
We're always in a state of changing for the better aren't we ? :)

Is this a hint that we will soon see a pair of Stradivaris next to the Amati's in your magnificent room? 
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on April 19, 2014, 13:23
It would be a good challenge to bring this statement speaker to sing to its full glory
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on April 20, 2014, 01:05
It would be a good challenge to bring this statement speaker to sing to its full glory
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on April 20, 2014, 10:25
Instead of Stravidarius, maybe you should also consider Aida as your room and power amps are more than adequate.  Cheng and I spoke to Philip today about the Aida and he said if interested, can give special price :)

The price from Philip won't be super special when he finds out that the speakers must carried up to attic through the narrow stairway to audio heaven! Either this or hire crane and enter through front window.
Title: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on April 20, 2014, 11:12
I have seen and heard the results of your dedication...I am confident you will make Franco proud. :)

It would be a good challenge to bring this statement speaker to sing to its full glory


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Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: naimster on April 20, 2014, 11:35

I have seen and heard the results of your dedication...I am confident you will make Franco proud. :)


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+1

Not many folks here have the "leave no stone unturned" attitude. You are one of the rare few.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on April 20, 2014, 12:56
+1

Not many folks here have the "leave no stone unturned" attitude. You are one of the rare few.

Haha, when the reward is there for the taking, why not?

I have seen and heard the results of your dedication...I am confident you will make Franco proud. :)


Bro, long overdue for a visit.. you were among the first to visit my loft back then, much has evolved since then :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on April 20, 2014, 12:58
The price from Philip won't be super special when he finds out that the speakers must carried up to attic through the narrow stairway to audio heaven! Either this or hire crane and enter through front window.

Yes, for big item, need to mobilize crane and access through the window, you know the logistics too well :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on April 20, 2014, 13:00
Instead of Stravidarius, maybe you should also consider Aida as your room and power amps are more than adequate.  Cheng and I spoke to Philip today about the Aida and he said if interested, can give special price :)
If they want their Aida to sound the best at a suitable place and in good hands, I can t-loan them my venue. Provided they handle the logistics as well :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on April 20, 2014, 14:46
Indeed...traveling this week and doing some renovation this month...will call ya when dust literally settles at home! :)

Bro, long overdue for a visit.. you were among the first to visit my loft back then, much has evolved since then :)


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Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: chaconne_partita on May 04, 2014, 00:57
Thanks. As requested:

(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a592/edmundlooi/IMG-20140329-WA0001-1_zpsda081b95.jpg)

(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a592/edmundlooi/IMG-20140329-WA0002_zps2b3d3700.jpg)

Pictures taken by a friend.

Regards

I've heard the O2 today and it sounds good on their setup. However, sound is quite neutral no firework. Not sure it's becoz of the setup. Would like to find out your opinion at your home setup which would be more optimized.
Thanks.
Title: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on May 04, 2014, 08:16
Yes, it's generally different in a showroom setting no matter how well the showroom is setup cos it's never your home anyway. That said, even different home has different setup so it's never the same - I have tried my setup with different electronics and it's a completely different sound again so there you go....

However, what it does provide you is some tell tale signs of its potential and synergies with its associate components. Different cook different dish :)

Are you thinking of purchasing the O2? You tried the O3 or made any comparisons with other speakers in the showroom?

Cheers~


I've heard the O2 today and it sounds good on their setup. However, sound is quite neutral no firework. Not sure it's becoz of the setup. Would like to find out your opinion at your home setup which would be more optimized.
Thanks.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on May 04, 2014, 12:03
I've heard the O2 today and it sounds good on their setup. However, sound is quite neutral no firework. Not sure it's becoz of the setup. Would like to find out your opinion at your home setup which would be more optimized.
Thanks.

Yes, the Olympicas will sound better at home with Goldmund amps or ARC. In the showroom, the O's share space with Futura, Amati and Aida. The electronics are usually cold start and sometimes amps used are from client trade-in, as the showroom amps have gone for home trial.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: chaconne_partita on May 04, 2014, 23:31
Hi All,
Thanks for all your comments. I didn't audition the O3 as it is too big for my room.
The other competitor is Raidho C1.1 (used one) for slightly more $. Not available for audition, but heard about 6-8 months ago.

Any opinion?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on May 05, 2014, 00:25
If you like the sound of Raidho and can snatch a used pair with a good price why not...

Hi All,
Thanks for all your comments. I didn't audition the O3 as it is too big for my room.
The other competitor is Raidho C1.1 (used one) for slightly more $. Not available for audition, but heard about 6-8 months ago.

Any opinion?

Thanks.



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Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on May 06, 2014, 21:17
One of our bro here ordered a pair of this wonderful speakers from HER last weekend.  It will be the 1st pair in Singapore. Looking forward to its arrival :)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/aida_zpscea3a3bf.png) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/Mezzoutopia/media/aida_zpscea3a3bf.png.html)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: chaconne_partita on May 08, 2014, 15:18
I'm not a expert here...
IMO, there's too many variable when one's audition a equipment in a show room eg. Room acoustic, room size, equipments, components , CD used, your mood during the audition and etc. I have heard good speakers sound bad in a badly setup demo, therefore you can only based your judgement on certain characteristic you hear during the demo and based your judgement from there.
IMHO, there's no lousy speakers...it all boils down to setup and matching equipment.

For me, the moment I hear the guitar and the bass from O2....I have more or less make up my mind...of course the look of the speakers make a big part in the decision also. :)

I match my O2 with Karan and NBS cables throughout, sounds good to me.

Thanks. What are some good guitar and bass tracks that you used to listen the O2?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mystream on May 09, 2014, 15:24
Thanks. What are some good guitar and bass tracks that you used to listen the O2?

There's a few albums I tried, 2 of which I remember are:

1) Nils Lofgren - Acoustic Live
2) Fourplay- Between the Sheets

You can bring your own disc that you are familiar with to try it out at HER.

Regards

Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: chaconne_partita on May 16, 2014, 00:27
There's a few albums I tried, 2 of which I remember are:

1) Nils Lofgren - Acoustic Live
2) Fourplay- Between the Sheets

You can bring your own disc that you are familiar with to try it out at HER.

Regards

Thanks for sharing the info about the CD that you tried.
When I was @ HER previously, I only have the thumb drive with HD music.
They don't have a setup that connect to O2. I have to bring my CD there to try.
However, O2 is really gorgeous looking speakers.  :D
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on May 16, 2014, 09:54
The latest Sonus Faber Lilium was launched in Munich yesterday.  Pixs courtesy of Collin from HER.

The Lilium is supposed to be one model below Aida and one above Stravidarius. 

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/IMG-20140516-WA0000_zps127c0965.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/Mezzoutopia/media/IMG-20140516-WA0000_zps127c0965.jpg.html)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/IMG-20140516-WA0001_zpsa0e84f8c.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/Mezzoutopia/media/IMG-20140516-WA0001_zpsa0e84f8c.jpg.html)

More information available here:

http://www.monoandstereo.com/2014/05/sonus-faber-lilium-speakers-new.html
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on May 16, 2014, 12:17
Cool! All I need now is a bigger room and fatter bank account in order to get a pair of these beauties.

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Lilium aims to be a classical Sonus faber speakers. Its a demanding speaker with the implementation of experiences gained from Ex3ma speakers. There is a certain influence coming from them. Its still a big speaker, but the Lilium is a solution for everyone who want to have a big full resolution speaker that plays even in a small environment that is bigger then 25m2.
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Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on May 16, 2014, 23:45
More pixs of SF Lilium from Munich, courtesy of Collin Koh from HER.

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%20Lilium/IMG-20140516-WA0059_zpsf60db645.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/Mezzoutopia/media/Sonus%20Faber%20Lilium/IMG-20140516-WA0059_zpsf60db645.jpg.html)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%20Lilium/IMG-20140516-WA0063_zps442ecbfb.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/Mezzoutopia/media/Sonus%20Faber%20Lilium/IMG-20140516-WA0063_zps442ecbfb.jpg.html)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%20Lilium/IMG-20140516-WA0060_zps8d830a22.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/Mezzoutopia/media/Sonus%20Faber%20Lilium/IMG-20140516-WA0060_zps8d830a22.jpg.html)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%20Lilium/IMG-20140516-WA0062_zps1adfe1bb.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/Mezzoutopia/media/Sonus%20Faber%20Lilium/IMG-20140516-WA0062_zps1adfe1bb.jpg.html)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%20Lilium/IMG-20140516-WA0061_zps8cca0506.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/Mezzoutopia/media/Sonus%20Faber%20Lilium/IMG-20140516-WA0061_zps8cca0506.jpg.html)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%20Lilium/IMG-20140516-WA0053_zps71650123.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/Mezzoutopia/media/Sonus%20Faber%20Lilium/IMG-20140516-WA0053_zps71650123.jpg.html)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%20Lilium/IMG-20140516-WA0055_zps0f20e604.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/Mezzoutopia/media/Sonus%20Faber%20Lilium/IMG-20140516-WA0055_zps0f20e604.jpg.html)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%20Lilium/IMG-20140516-WA0058_zps01a3ed7e.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/Mezzoutopia/media/Sonus%20Faber%20Lilium/IMG-20140516-WA0058_zps01a3ed7e.jpg.html)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%20Lilium/IMG-20140516-WA0052_zpse6e29c3b.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/Mezzoutopia/media/Sonus%20Faber%20Lilium/IMG-20140516-WA0052_zpse6e29c3b.jpg.html)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%20Lilium/IMG-20140516-WA0056_zps1abb0ce2.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/Mezzoutopia/media/Sonus%20Faber%20Lilium/IMG-20140516-WA0056_zps1abb0ce2.jpg.html)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%20Lilium/IMG-20140516-WA0054_zpsf2d43906.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/Mezzoutopia/media/Sonus%20Faber%20Lilium/IMG-20140516-WA0054_zpsf2d43906.jpg.html)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%20Lilium/IMG-20140516-WA0057_zpsb003b6db.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/Mezzoutopia/media/Sonus%20Faber%20Lilium/IMG-20140516-WA0057_zpsb003b6db.jpg.html)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%20Lilium/IMG-20140516-WA0051_zps64b0c2b9.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/Mezzoutopia/media/Sonus%20Faber%20Lilium/IMG-20140516-WA0051_zps64b0c2b9.jpg.html)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%20Lilium/IMG-20140516-WA0050_zps3a374443.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/Mezzoutopia/media/Sonus%20Faber%20Lilium/IMG-20140516-WA0050_zps3a374443.jpg.html)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%20Lilium/IMG-20140516-WA0000_zps61d9254d.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/Mezzoutopia/media/Sonus%20Faber%20Lilium/IMG-20140516-WA0000_zps61d9254d.jpg.html)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%20Lilium/IMG-20140516-WA0046_zps156a8777.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/Mezzoutopia/media/Sonus%20Faber%20Lilium/IMG-20140516-WA0046_zps156a8777.jpg.html)

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Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: composition on May 17, 2014, 15:14
I love the white leather and walnut. How much $$$?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Laughing on May 17, 2014, 15:19
read from another site ---> €48000

http://www.audioaficionado.org/607276-post20.html


I love the white leather and walnut. How much $$$?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: atx2 on May 17, 2014, 16:38
Very nice color n design!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on May 17, 2014, 16:40
I like the 24K gold plated version.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: composition on May 17, 2014, 17:17
read from another site ---> €48000

http://www.audioaficionado.org/607276-post20.html



I peng san liao
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: meatballz on May 17, 2014, 17:58
 €48000. this is a fortune.

pk.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: chansters on June 03, 2014, 13:57
Seeking opinions here.. which amp would be a good match with venere 1.5?

1) Nait 5si
2) Exposure 2010s2
3) Rega brio R

Or any other suggestions at around the 1.5k region?

Tks.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: chaconne_partita on June 15, 2014, 10:27
I love the white leather and walnut. How much $$$?
I love the white leather one also... It's unique but it is a lot of $$$...  ::)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: lightnpixels on June 21, 2014, 08:09
Proud to be a owner of a pair of  Cremona Auditor M. ;)

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Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on June 21, 2014, 14:36
Nice...used to have that and had numerous hours of music from it. Which colour did you get?

Proud to be a owner of a pair of  Cremona Auditor M. ;)

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Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: lightnpixels on June 21, 2014, 14:38
Marple graphite

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Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: lightnpixels on June 21, 2014, 14:39
Why sold yours? Very nice design.

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Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on June 21, 2014, 16:53
Ahh...thats the exact same colour I had.

Those days I was in my crazy upgrading mood so decided to something else.  :)

Marple graphite

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Why sold yours? Very nice design.

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Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: lightnpixels on June 21, 2014, 18:17
Ahh...thats the exact same colour I had.

Those days I was in my crazy upgrading mood so decided to something else.  :)

Perhaps should say having high fever back then... lol  ;D
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on June 21, 2014, 19:18

Ya, so hot that I burned a few holes! :)

Perhaps should say having high fever back then... lol  ;D
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on July 09, 2014, 23:02
Amazing skills... http://www.hifi-forum.de/viewthread-205-458.html (http://www.hifi-forum.de/viewthread-205-458.html)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Hass on July 29, 2014, 16:58
maybe u can ask the speaker designer why he designed the speakers with 2 pairs of binding post.
best is buy speakers with only 1 set of binding post
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: RAYRAY on September 19, 2014, 19:24
I took a liking on Sonus Faber OLYMPICA I.
I would like to check does the Sonus Faber speakers have synergy with Diablo Int Amp?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: francishuang on September 19, 2014, 19:29
I took a liking on Sonus Faber OLYMPICA I.
I would like to check does the Sonus Faber speakers have synergy with Diablo Int Amp?

U can Request with her for an audition using your amp
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: RAYRAY on September 20, 2014, 16:40
HER showroom listening may sound different with home setup.
Headache part, room size is 2.5m x 2.5m and looking for a speaker which does not have rear porting since cannot really afford to move speaker from more than 1 feet away from the back of the wall.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on September 21, 2014, 10:41

HER showroom listening may sound different with home setup.
Headache part, room size is 2.5m x 2.5m and looking for a speaker which does not have rear porting since cannot really afford to move speaker from more than 1 feet away from the back of the wall.

I think the Olympica will have less issues in small room though rear ported. The Cremona Auditor M is a different story though.


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Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: RAYRAY on September 21, 2014, 15:50
Thanks Bro mousike.
The system setup synergy is important and I do not see much Diablo and Sonus Faber user over here. Maybe the sound analytical with this combination.
Will try to request for home trial, who knows with a Olympica II in the small room....just joking.... ;D
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on September 21, 2014, 17:35
Thanks Bro mousike.
The system setup synergy is important and I do not see much Diablo and Sonus Faber user over here. Maybe the sound analytical with this combination.
Will try to request for home trial, who knows with a Olympica II in the small room....just joking.... ;D

Diablo is not a common amp to start with. More important than match amp to speaker, is the match of speaker to room. No point having the best electronics if the speaker is going to boom in room or you are faced with frequency humps. 
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: RAYRAY on September 21, 2014, 17:57
If room are properly treated, it will take care of boomy. I am more concerned on the system synergy.
Everyone have their own listening taste and preference on the sound. A home trial should be my best solution :)
Audiophile is a life long learning journey ;D
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: watchdog on September 21, 2014, 19:36
I wonder what the result would be ? The Diablo has vice like grip on low frequency control, very open sound, and seemingly limitless power.

However, choosing a front ported speaker, or even a sealed design does not mean that the speaker will be comfortable just one foot from the rear wall.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on September 21, 2014, 19:49
Thanks Bro mousike.
The system setup synergy is important and I do not see much Diablo and Sonus Faber user over here. Maybe the sound analytical with this combination.
Will try to request for home trial, who knows with a Olympica II in the small room....just joking.... ;D

Hmm...on paper the Diablo has enough juice for sure - http://www.gryphon-audio.dk/Content/Downloads/Technical_Specifications.pdf (http://www.gryphon-audio.dk/Content/Downloads/Technical_Specifications.pdf)

I agree with your approach to match your system for the sound you prefers...hey, I will not be surprise if O2 actually fits the bill... :) I have A/B the Olympica range and felt it match better with transparent and fast amps. I am not very familiar with Diablo so I cannot be sure though.

If Olympica is really what you like home trial it...the best way forward.  :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mystream on September 21, 2014, 20:26
I have gone thru a number of book shelf....I still prefer floor stander...Go for Olympica 2 (O2)if your budget allow. My room is 2.8m wide and 4.5m long, from the front wall to the speakers is about 70cm and my listening position is about 2m from the speakers.
Spend some time tweaking the room, it will pay off handsomely for you.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on September 22, 2014, 09:04
Can't help but notice we have plenty of fresh air O2...this clear the haze~

Enjoy folks!




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Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mystream on September 22, 2014, 20:15
Well not sure O2 will stay around.... 8)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on September 22, 2014, 21:08
haha...let's hope so!~

Super off topic...seriously I find the O2 a better choice among the Olympica.

In small room I still think the GE is the best fit for HDB study room config...in the 4 to 5 room living hall the Amati Anniversario is quite a bargain for money. A even bigger room...the Stradivari is a fine lady.  :P

Well not sure O2 will stay around.... 8)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mystream on September 22, 2014, 21:23
I recently have a chance to listen to a pair of 15+ years old SF extrema that was first design by Franco, man.....I'm really impress with what these small speaker can do...the imaging is pin point, sound stage is wide, good layering, bass is deep and tight.. the sound signature is so different from new design after Franco left.

No wonder these old speakers are still highly sort after in the used market.

Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on September 22, 2014, 22:30
If you can find a well kept Extrema would be a rare gem...even if you did find a good pair I am not sure how many more years the components in the speaker would last and replacing the crossover in a SF speakers isn't quite straight forward. Not forgetting the infamous "ease" of drive on the Extrema...

All that said I have to agree the older range of SF speakers had more soul into it. The man really make a point in making good quality speakers that connects. In regards to sound signature I actually think the reverse is true. Where the current Accordo and Ktema departs from the traditional SF sound while the current range in SF still retains the mids SF known for. The difference in sound signature doesn't means to say one is inferior then the other and to me its just different and appeals to different folks.

Also its an Extrema you are comparing with...I have not heard the current X3trema (have to agree that the current team needs some spelling class) so I cannot comment. If taking the Extrema to compare with the rest of current and past standmounts excluding Extrema and X3trema then what you have heard is a reflection of its SQ with no other comparison except X3trema.

I do have some gripe about the current range of SF speakers. Let's take the GE I have which I found it to be ridiculous to not use WBT binding post on them - the wing nuts just didn't quite do the job in sound. Other then that I am pretty happy with what I am hearing especially when its driven properly with the right setup. To me its the next best thing to Extrema or even X3trema which I am very pleased with the SQ for a standmount or monitor in a small room. I have yet to heard another monitor that meets my fussy room requirement and produce music with all the chops I look for...anyway has quit looking and end up buying more CDs recently... :)

Oh! I did bought another speaker today! I bought another one of this to make it a stereo pair -http://www.ultimateears.com/en-us/boom (http://www.ultimateears.com/en-us/boom)

This is my portable stereo system...far from any audiophile SQ jargon but music has no barriers  :)

Enjoy~
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mystream on September 23, 2014, 19:22
Hi Mousik,

I don't believe I make any comparison between  old and new sf or imply that one should go immediately to get one.... I'm only stating my opinion of what I heard.

Regards.

Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on September 23, 2014, 19:34
Hi Mousik,

I don't believe I make any comparison between  old and new sf or imply that one should go immediately to get one.... I'm only stating my opinion of what I heard.

Regards.

No worries...likewise the same here...  :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on September 28, 2014, 00:59
Visited my friend's new home yesterday afternoon when the beautiful Sonus Faber Aida was delivered to him by HER.  Attached are some pixs of the wonderful speakers taken using my mobile phone.  According to HER, it is the 1st pair in Singapore.   Hopefully when it is setup, I can get to listen to it. 

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%20Aida/20140927_143802_zps779b2d5b.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/Mezzoutopia/media/Sonus%20Faber%20Aida/20140927_143802_zps779b2d5b.jpg.html)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%20Aida/20140927_144124_zps40c33da5.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/Mezzoutopia/media/Sonus%20Faber%20Aida/20140927_144124_zps40c33da5.jpg.html)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%20Aida/20140927_144323_zpsb1febd12.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/Mezzoutopia/media/Sonus%20Faber%20Aida/20140927_144323_zpsb1febd12.jpg.html)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%20Aida/20140927_144131_zps78f8d149.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/Mezzoutopia/media/Sonus%20Faber%20Aida/20140927_144131_zps78f8d149.jpg.html)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%20Aida/20140927_144149_zpsd50dacf3.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/Mezzoutopia/media/Sonus%20Faber%20Aida/20140927_144149_zpsd50dacf3.jpg.html)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%20Aida/20140927_144154_zps333b22fa.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/Mezzoutopia/media/Sonus%20Faber%20Aida/20140927_144154_zps333b22fa.jpg.html)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%20Aida/20140927_144205_zpsfbe5ec90.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/Mezzoutopia/media/Sonus%20Faber%20Aida/20140927_144205_zpsfbe5ec90.jpg.html)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%20Aida/20140927_144214_zps27574555.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/Mezzoutopia/media/Sonus%20Faber%20Aida/20140927_144214_zps27574555.jpg.html)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%20Aida/20140927_144229_zps34996200.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/Mezzoutopia/media/Sonus%20Faber%20Aida/20140927_144229_zps34996200.jpg.html)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%20Aida/20140927_144323_zpsb1febd12.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/Mezzoutopia/media/Sonus%20Faber%20Aida/20140927_144323_zpsb1febd12.jpg.html)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%20Aida/20140927_144927_zps4a06071a.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/Mezzoutopia/media/Sonus%20Faber%20Aida/20140927_144927_zps4a06071a.jpg.html)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Mezzoutopia/Sonus%20Faber%20Aida/20140927_144838_zpsd547b8e0.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/Mezzoutopia/media/Sonus%20Faber%20Aida/20140927_144838_zpsd547b8e0.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on September 28, 2014, 07:20
Congrats Wow...steady...literally speakers on wheels! How it's sounds??
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: francishuang on September 28, 2014, 07:23
it even got its own trolley!
looks damm swee...
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: jimi on September 28, 2014, 07:25
Nice. Cheng's?

Is that a treated room?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: composition on September 28, 2014, 10:57
So nice. It is good to be rich to enjoy such luxury.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: jacklim on September 28, 2014, 11:14
Sonus faber Aida is a beauty

Lovin'it
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on September 28, 2014, 12:02

Congrats Wow...steady...literally speakers on wheels! How it's sounds??
He is still runnin in the spkers and is in the process of doing fine tuning.  He is getting Philip (from HER) to help him with the adjustments and toein as it is not easy to move the spkrs around. 

The spkers come with its own trolley so that it can be easily lifted off the ground and move around.  Very innovative.

Nice. Cheng's?

Is that a treated room?

The room was designed from the ground up during the design stage with room treatment. 
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on September 28, 2014, 12:06

He is still runnin in the spkers and is in the process of doing fine tuning.  He is getting Philip (from HER) to help him with the adjustments and toein as it is not easy to move the spkrs around. 

The spkers come with its own trolley so that it can be easily lifted off the ground and move around.  Very innovative.

The room was designed from the ground up during the design stage with room treatment.

Awesome...what electronics he is pairing with??
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on September 28, 2014, 18:57
Awesome...what electronics he is pairing with??

If I remember correctly, he is using EMM Labs Tpt/DAC, Basis/Vector/Goldfinger, ARC Ref Phono 2SE, Ref 10, Ref 250 monos.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on September 28, 2014, 20:04
Lethal...
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on September 28, 2014, 20:09
Lethal...

Let's pay him a visit.  I will arrange.  Be prepared to be blown away :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on September 28, 2014, 20:11
Let's do it!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on September 29, 2014, 10:32
Count me in too!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on September 29, 2014, 10:38
Count me in too!

Kenneth, how can I miss you out :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: francishuang on September 29, 2014, 11:09
Kenneth, how can I miss you out :)

can i?   :-*
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on September 30, 2014, 11:43
can i?   :-*

Depends on whether my friend is willing to have so many visitors at any one time.  If not, it will be a separate session.  Will keep you informed.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: joamonte on September 30, 2014, 16:29
Wow! I also want join....
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Hass on September 30, 2014, 17:10
If I remember correctly, he is using EMM Labs Tpt/DAC, Basis/Vector/Goldfinger, ARC Ref Phono 2SE, Ref 10, Ref 250 monos.

all from HER? Difficult to mix n match urself at this level. Good that we have nice dealers. How I wish they can setup properly in hifi shows so I can enjoy hi end sound for $10
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on October 21, 2014, 20:45
Waiting anxiously to hear Lilium with Galileo...


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Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: francishuang on October 22, 2014, 00:09
Waiting anxiously to hear Lilium with Galileo...


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Was set up as such last mon. I think someone loan the power amp.   Musically sweet
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on October 22, 2014, 07:07
Was set up as such last mon. I think someone loan the power amp.   Musically sweet

I was a little late!~ I heard folks commented the Galileo was fast and has more control or swing with the KT150? Missed the chance and surprisingly how fast it went out the door even at such astronomical price!  :D
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Lorenzo on October 23, 2014, 07:37
Waiting anxiously to hear Lilium with Galileo...


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lol be patient bro. i waiting to hear it with the Evolution with Ref5SE as pre.  Maybe can consider to tloan and try?

=P
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: annapurna on October 23, 2014, 11:28
lol be patient bro. i waiting to hear it with the Evolution with Ref5SE as pre.  Maybe can consider to tloan and try?

=P

Hi Lorenzo, when do we get to listen to your new toys :)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Lorenzo on October 23, 2014, 14:56
Hi Lorenzo, when do we get to listen to your new toys :)
haha news get out fast! lol should be december baz hahah
Title: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on October 23, 2014, 18:34
lol be patient bro. i waiting to hear it with the Evolution with Ref5SE as pre.  Maybe can consider to tloan and try?

=P

Haha...no stock leh...t loan from u huh!

Anyway I cannot afford...literally heading out to buy a printer now...maybe after that can. Lol!!!


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Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Lorenzo on October 23, 2014, 18:43
Got la Bro. I help u call to arrange Lol sweet boh? :p
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on October 23, 2014, 19:30

Got la Bro. I help u call to arrange Lol sweet boh? :p

Thx...will listen to your combi first...I am waiting on the KT150 in ref series


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Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Lorenzo on October 23, 2014, 20:43
Hehe still long Still long
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on October 24, 2014, 09:35
Yah lor...until neck long long...


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Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on October 24, 2014, 21:32
A nice finishing touch...

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-dEMQ8E5-Yog/U8Ark_trcRI/AAAAAAAAif4/JMTHAwouPrc/s640/blogger-image-1294684453.jpg)

Made for each other?

(http://www.sonus-hifi.gr/uplds/422_GS150%20and%20Lilium.jpg)
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Lorenzo on October 27, 2014, 09:40
nice!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Alan Tang on November 27, 2014, 18:32
Hi there!
I currently having Focal utopia v2 scala. Like the sound but not liking the qc especially the cabinet that cracks on its plinth twice. Just heard the change in distributor to ASS. Not comfortable with ASS from past experiences and since moving to new house in dec, thought of exploring sf or b&w. am a rookie to both, any good opinion or recommendation ?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mystream on November 27, 2014, 19:02
Hi, what gears are you using to drive your scala?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Alan Tang on November 27, 2014, 20:07
LS17SE Line pre, Passlabs X250.5 power
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on November 28, 2014, 06:00
Since you have posted here I think you are looking into the SF range?

Depends on budget, space, taste, etc. I think the Stradivari is a good option.


Hi there!
I currently having Focal utopia v2 scala. Like the sound but not liking the qc especially the cabinet that cracks on its plinth twice. Just heard the change in distributor to ASS. Not comfortable with ASS from past experiences and since moving to new house in dec, thought of exploring sf or b&w. am a rookie to both, any good opinion or recommendation ?


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Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on December 10, 2014, 01:12
Had a great time spinning hard drive, CDs, and Vinyl at L4N revamped setup. Thanks for inviting and truly one of the few best setup I have heard locally...manage to capture some teaser shots in B&W :)

Cheers folks!

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Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on December 11, 2014, 21:17
Nice vintage effects :)

Your system is also quite a leap from what I've heard previously. Well done!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on December 11, 2014, 23:57
Thanks...your system makes it too easy for the photographer  ;)

Now the dark force is growing stronger...flee I must!~  ;D

Nice vintage effects :)

Your system is also quite a leap from what I've heard previously. Well done!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on December 13, 2014, 19:23
Enjoyed my escapade at Lorenzo :)

Thanks bro...

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Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: MrAcoustat on December 22, 2014, 14:23
Hi guys my friend Elrocco as just bought a pair of Sonus Faber Guarneri Evolution to replace his Egglestonworks Andra3s he lives in a condo and wanted to buy the peace. :)

(http://cdn-1.dastatic.com/forums/gallery/data/500/medium/600x450xElrocco_04.jpg.pagespeed.ic.72mqef9vTs.jpg)

(http://cdn-1.dastatic.com/forums/gallery/data/500/medium/600x450xElrocco_07.jpg.pagespeed.ic.ZZNN8vS9Xt.jpg)

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Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on December 23, 2014, 10:07
Hello MrAcoustat, that's nice set up. Is your friend in Singapore?? What source is he using?
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: MrAcoustat on December 23, 2014, 11:36
Hello MrAcoustat, that's nice set up. Is your friend in Singapore?? What source is he using?

No whe live in Canada my friend uses Jadis d/a converter and Teac Esoteric P-01 transport as of today replacing his CEC TL0-X.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mousike on December 23, 2014, 13:03
Sweet!~
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: bluepill193 on December 23, 2014, 20:51
Auditioned the venere 2.5 and 3.0, strangely the smaller 2.5 has punchier bass compared to the 3.0. Wondering how that can be. But soundstage much wider with the 3.0...
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mesaux on March 15, 2015, 18:17
Hi All, I have just shortlisted my options to either an Aerial Acoustic Tower or the Sonus Olympica I. The final decision will be heavily dependent on what will be used to match the speakers.

Therefore, may I know what amplifiers (integrated or pre/pro if my budget can accommodate it) is suitable for the Olympica I. My budget is capped at $4000.

Currently I have some shortlisted such as the Ayre Ax-7e, krell kav300iL, t+A power plant balanced, audio research vsi60 (need to stretch budget). Will consider all options.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: anthonyluvjazz on March 16, 2015, 15:07
One more to the list.

Rogue Audio Cronus integrated amp. Available at Modular Audio, go have a chat and listen.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on March 16, 2015, 16:27
http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=197197.0
http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=197344.0

2 good sounding used integrateds on sale. The Exposure comes with phono stage. I do not know the owners nor have any interest in the items.

If you can find a used Karan integrated or used Octave integrated within your budget, both are well worth owning.
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mesaux on March 16, 2015, 20:52
Thanks all! I have locked on the Sonus already, so I will soon join the club hooray! Now just to find out what amplifier to purchase. The BMC do look interesting, will keep in view thanks, rogue as well cheers!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: fteocs on March 16, 2015, 23:19
Musical fidelity M6pre & M6prx combo? I used A5 with SF prior, looking to have this combination in few months time with Olympica II. Cheers
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: mesaux on March 17, 2015, 07:29
I sadly don't really have much space for a pre/pro combi haha but thanks!
Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: De mon on March 27, 2015, 09:28
New Chameleon finishings..


http://www.sonusfaber.com/en-us/products/chameleon-c




Title: Re: Sonus faber Speaker Thread
Post by: zeee on March 27, 2015, 11:47

aerial acoustics - can audition this speaker line with BAT electronics at the local agent.
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