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Title: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on February 10, 2010, 13:04
I don't work for Bowers & Wilkins.
I own Bowers & Wilkins Speakers, and have used their speakers, ranging from the 3, 6 and now the 8xx series.

I see a need for a forum where owners can ask questions, post info and & tips without ads.

Owners and potential owners can feel free to post here or the ol' forum.

I will make this thread similar to the MA and Dynaudio thread where owners, buyers and past owners can feel free to post. I freely and openly support brands that I own, and I have no qualms letting others know my own preferences and bias, so feel free to take my posts with a pinch of salt.


Dealers can contribute their feedback and share info, but advertisements alone are best posted elsewhere.

Cheers
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on February 10, 2010, 13:10
Review of the B & W 805S



Equipment used



Onkyo AVR 906

Marantz SR 12 s1



QED XT 300



Marantz SA 8003





I have been toying with an upgrade to my Monitor Audio GS 10 speakers for a while. Even though I was not actively looking very hard, I have listened to setups in friends’ homes, looking for a sound I liked.



One good friend had just upgraded his system and one of his purchases was the B & W 805s, which was driven by his Onkyo AVR amp. A short audition later, it was sufficiently enthralling to burn a certain sonic signature into my mind...



In short, the sound was mildly warm, clear and precise, yet a sound that was accurate without being too forceful or fatiguing. It was something you can listen to for a wide variety of music for hours without tiring. The theme was an involving neutrality. There was detail in the music, separation and depth, but it was not the technical bits, but the sum total which got me hooked.



And then there was the bass... in a small room, you would not want anything bigger, such was the weight underpinning the bass that you would be happy with the kind of sound and impact in the bass. There was weight and the 805 was punching beyond what you would expect a small 6.5 inch cone to do.


But the trouble was it cost more than twice my GS 10, so the thought was placed in cold storage. Actually my first positive encounter with the brand was way back when I saw the CDM NT1, with its then unique tweeter on a sloping top surface of the speaker box, the real wood veneer and of course an impressive sound for such a small speaker.



I also tried the Usher BE 718, X 718, but it was not as impressive as I imagined, given all the press and reviews. Other speakers can and went until a mail one day with a pair of 805s on a special price I could not refuse. I packed them home, and viola, I have a pair of 805s in rosenut in my HT room, adding to the already crowded room.

But if you score the BE 718 at the ROC prices, then it is a fine deal.

I have them on Atacama stands connected with QED XT tube 300 wires to my Marantz SR 12 S1 fed by my Marantz SA 8003 SACD player.

Day 2 of the 805s

The sound seems fuller and more dynamic now, and there is a certain rightness about the sound, quite simply all the elements of music familiar to me all hang together quite well. No doubt a real floorstander will give more bass, but in my confined environs, I do not really miss much. Compared to the GS 10, there is more detail in each part of the frequency spectrum, and in particular the mid is liquid and smooth, without obliterating detail.

I think the use of silver cables and a more incisive CD player might help, but even now, with music player off an Ipod, it is still enjoyable and fun. Soundstaging is impressive with layers and depth as well as stability. However even though this speaker is touted for the smaller room, in my opinion, at least a 3 by 5m room with at least 2m or more separation in between the speakers, and shorter stands of around 600- 620mm will be best.

I had the same amp and cd player drive the 805s in my room treated HT room, and apart from the trial of the Audio Magic and the anti-cables, the key difference was swopping the listening area.

As any guru of bass or room treatment will tell you, and I totally agree, before all the fancy cables, conditioners etc, the thing which makes a very significant difference is the room.

In a large room of 8 by 5m, the 805s were allowed to breath and the results are highly satisfactory. In the HT room there is detail, but no dynamics and since I was using the Xindak it was also a safe sound. I felt dissapointed at my purchase.

But when allowed to sit in a more open space, about 60-70cm from the rear wall, the front ported 805s feel more alive and the details and dynamics are superior to what I hear in the HT room and even in the showroom.

The 805s offers detail, but remains just a tad on the warm side of things, so do not opt for too polite a set of partnering equipment. It does well with simpler music, and there is lots of detail retrieval and soundstage. But if large scale orchestral pieces form the mainstay of your listening diet, a floorstander with more drivers may suit better.

Even so, there is still scale and bass which belies the small single mid-range cone and with the same demo discs we used in some of the shootouts, you would not believe this is a bookshelf speaker. Its forte is imaging, which is stable and detail without a technical harshness.

Some final thoughts:

The clarity is well, clear, the mids are well defined, and there is copious bass, which is still fast and yet is able to plunge the depths.

It reminds me of a pair of Totem Arros on the end of 30k of amps. But with a good soundstage that has the singer placed in the centre, slightly behind the speakers, and there is good separation.

A large orchestra is probably it's main Achilles heel, as the 802D will still be better, but it is not shabby and on good stands, the soundstage is clear, and will better many cheaper floorstanders.

With each improvement though, the problem is this setup is revealing enough to show up the changes, and hence will entice you to give it better components.

This speaker has made my nights more enjoyable, but one main factor is the migration of my stereo system out of the small HT room, which allows the 805s to breath more and the lack of room treatment notwithstanding, sing with less impediment.

It still needs about 70cm or so from the read wall and being sited in the centre of the room, away from side walls helps, and I am seated about 3m away, which again allows enough space for a coherent sonic portrait.

Great separation and detail, without being too polite or too sharp either. Balance and most of all endowed with a good PRAT factor for many toe tapping hours of fun!

I can almost 'see the musician in the centre of my room.

For those considering a pair of these, they really deserve the best partnering equipment.

The word is smooth yet revealing. With each upgrade in component, you can hear the difference, which can be a bad thing, since this will lead you to spend more to improve the sound.

Changes in cables, conditioners etc all make a difference.

Avoid those nasty basic AV amps, sure they may have 100w to drive these guys to make some kind of noise, but a good stereo amp or pre-power will make them sing even more.

I would ask the potential buyers to start with something at least 1k and up, and more power helps.

Some amps:

- Roksan Caspian M series
- Audiolab 8000 pre-power
- Krell 300i
- AVI
- Music Fidelity kW 500


IMHO, it will also like the Marantz SA 15 more than my basic SA7001 KI S, or this older model - Musical Fidelity X-Ray CD player



At the time that I was auditioning the 805, I also tried the CM 5 and 7.

The CM 5 was in a glass filled room and coming from the 805, it was a little brighter and with less bass, the bias was towards a leaner mix. However at the end of Arcam electronics, the sound was not bad, and it was a little like listening to the MA GS 10, but it cost more and had less scale.

The CM 7 did have a lower bottom end, but it was a rather polite speaker, and will not shine if used with simple budget electronics. A person moving up from the 6xx series, using his cheap AV amp will not use the CM series to their fullest potential unless they are willing to upgrade more than just the speakers.
Title: 805s reviews
Post by: petetherock on February 10, 2010, 13:12
http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32868

http://www.tnt-audio.com/casse/bw805s_e.html

http://www.testfreaks.co.uk/click/out/?track_action=06&track_category_id=31&track_origin=whathifi.co.uk&track_product_id=98997&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwhathifi.com%2FReview%2FBandW-805S%2F

http://bwmedia.keycast.com/download/Libraries/3/805S-Hi-FiChoice_l2_w0_h0.pdf

http://www.dagogo.com/BW805S.html

http://www.audioreview.com/cat/speakers/bookshelf-speakers/b-and-w/805s/PRD_334886_4290crx.aspx
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: txv611 on February 10, 2010, 16:20
Very interested to know how the new B&W sounds like. Had experience only with CDM1 in the past.

Would you accede to a request for a short audition of your system (Not more than 30 mins)?

Thanks
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on February 10, 2010, 16:22
Post more about yourself, I have a demo this Friday, you are welcome.
PM me your contact, I will let you know my address.

Cheers

Edit:

I have not heard from you, so are you actually keen bro?

Very interested to know how the new B&W sounds like. Had experience only with CDM1 in the past.

Would you accede to a request for a short audition of your system (Not more than 30 mins)?

Thanks
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: isplash on February 11, 2010, 18:54
Hi guys,

I am sure there are a lot of B&W lovers in this forum. Maybe we can start off by posting our beloved setup here.  :)

(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/8051/804s3.jpg)

(http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/6298/804s1.jpg)

(http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/7600/804s4.jpg)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on February 11, 2010, 19:38
Very clean lines isplash... nice... you are about 2+ m from your floorstanders?

Lotsa room treatment, and nicely done...

Cheers
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: isplash on February 11, 2010, 20:38
Very clean lines isplash... nice... you are about 2+ m from your floorstanders?

Lotsa room treatment, and nicely done...

Cheers

Thanks Pete. You are right : ) I am about 2.5m away. The room size is abt 3x3m.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Bongteo on February 11, 2010, 20:44
Isplash, i like ur whole package alot :) 2 thumbs up
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on February 11, 2010, 20:57
You will want to watch out for phase coherence....since you are sitting quite close to a 3 way floorstander..the bass and the treble may not reach your seat at the same time.

And I am sure you took into account the squareness of your room during all your room treatment and acoustics planning, which will bump up the 50-60Hz region...

Thanks Pete. You are right : ) I am about 2.5m away. The room size is abt 3x3m.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: DanDon on February 11, 2010, 21:00
Nice set-up there, isplash  ;)

A lot of diffusers, bass traps and an adjustable bass trap. The sound must be awesome.  :P
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: isplash on February 11, 2010, 21:33
You will want to watch out for phase coherence....

And I am sure you took into account the squareness of your room during all your room treatment and acoustics planning, which will bump up the 50-60Hz region...


There was a peak around 51Hz initially but manage to smooth off using bass traps. (behind the speakers and adjustable bass trap) Though the room may not be perfect but with the treatment it still sound decent with a floorstander in it.

Thanks Bongteo and DanDon : )
Title: Toe-in
Post by: petetherock on February 13, 2010, 08:09
B/W owners out there, do you toe-in?

I found that the 6xx & 8xx series both benefit from a little toe in such that the tweeter points to the ear on the same side.

Cheers
Title: Re: Toe-in
Post by: crazysurfer on February 13, 2010, 10:14
B/W owners out there, do you toe-in?

I found that the 6xx & 8xx series both benefit from a little toe in such that the tweeter points to the ear on the same side.

Cheers

Yup, that is also how my 803S is currently positioned; toe-in with tweeters pointing towards the same ear. It helps to lock-in the imaging.
Title: 684 review
Post by: petetherock on February 15, 2010, 06:51
http://www.soundstage.com/equipment/bw_684.htm

It mentioned a hot treble?

Quote
However, there were times when the 684’s high-frequency reproduction seemed a bit hot, as on Sunny Sumter’s cover of Duke Ellington and Billy Strayhorn’s "Day Dream," on Sunny (CD, Mapleshade 5932). As I listened to this track, there were moments when Sumter’s voice exposed the limits of the 684’s 1" aluminum tweeter -- even at moderate listening levels, the highs were a little overbearing. B&Ws have the reputation for being ruthlessly revealing in the highs, and with this recording the 684s revealed that characteristic.

Quote
Conclusion

The B&W 684 was a treat to have in my system. It was nice to have a well-designed, very affordable speaker on hand to deflate my speaker snobbery. The speaker’s performance as a whole surprised me, and the detailed smoothness of its midrange wowed me. I enjoyed listening to my music through the 684s, and appreciated their honest reproduction of each track. While the 684 will need the aid of a subwoofer to be truly full-range, its mid-40Hz output was good enough for most recordings out there. It was easy to drive, as hinted at by its 90dB sensitivity, so pairing it with a good receiver or multichannel amplifier should be easy.

Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on February 18, 2010, 20:10
Greetings from Oz....

Staying at my friend's home:
(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x244/petetherock/Sydney2010001.jpg)

Sweet sounds...
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: DJQ on February 18, 2010, 20:36
Wahahahaha!!! I can't stand but laugh out so loud! Got fake owners?  ;D

finally post your picture isplash! Still with the BC I see. By now should be very well run-in on the drivers.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: isplash on February 18, 2010, 22:37

finally post your picture isplash! Still with the BC I see. By now should be very well run-in on the drivers.


hehe yeah.. trying to contribute to the thread :)

Yes still with the BC.. i am under "medication" to slow down the "poison" from getting to my heart :P keke
 
 
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Kakarotttan on February 19, 2010, 03:09
Hello everyone,
When is the new 800 Series Diamond coming out on sale??
Can't wait...at least wanna try listen to diamond... :P
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: isplash on February 19, 2010, 08:36
Video on the new Diamond series

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNPoPCbB_lI[/youtube]
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Kakarotttan on February 19, 2010, 08:48
Video on the new Diamond series

thanks isplash,
have seen this video but can't understand a word he's saying...hehehe...
i want a real one... :'(
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: isplash on February 19, 2010, 09:15
thanks isplash,
have seen this video but can't understand a word he's saying...hehehe...
i want a real one... :'(

hahaha, maybe can check with the local distributor if they have any news.  ;D
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Kakarotttan on February 19, 2010, 09:21
hahaha, maybe can check with the local distributor if they have any news.  ;D


will do, but i spent all my money on Dynaudio C1...
B&W should be very different sounding..."hugging" warmth...
need to wait for at least half a year to save the money for the diamond... ;D
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: WaxFree68 on February 19, 2010, 10:34
I have listened to their "Sea Shell" once in a demo room.  Pushed by 8 Mark Levinsons... It was amazing... : )....

Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Kakarotttan on February 19, 2010, 11:41
I have listened to their "Sea Shell" once in a demo room.  Pushed by 8 Mark Levinsons... It was amazing... : )....



this hobby is just an endless torture... :'(
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on March 12, 2010, 06:25
Just borrowed a Audioquest cable off a friend, will try that with my 805s this weekend, TEG is selling off their cables, it will be interesting to see how much they cost now.

IMO, they do make a difference and if a bargain or two can be had, the TEG sale will be interesting.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on April 25, 2010, 16:47
Nice room treatment, music and speakers!
(I giardini di dioniso)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUJyZztTlQo&NR=1[/youtube]
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on June 24, 2010, 23:37
The Diamond versions are out now, but they are really not cheap, SRP for the 805D is about 8k.....


Hello everyone,
When is the new 800 Series Diamond coming out on sale??
Can't wait...at least wanna try listen to diamond... :P

On another note, the 805s thrives on power and the partner well with Musical Fidelity amps. I just did a session with the A 5.5 and will be using the 805s with a A 3.5 when bro singsing is back... Stay tuned for this little audition session...

Kenshin, I hope you are suitably poisoned ;)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Peter Seow on June 29, 2010, 07:44
Review of B & W 801 M

Equipment used:

set a)
Linn LP 12/ekos/arkiva
audio research sp15/d250 mk ii

set b)
Linn Lp 12/aro/benz micro/troika/koetsu/naim psu
Naim Nac 32.5/hi-cap/250


Toe in 30 degrees.

For my perference a bit short on bass but nevertheless satisfactory
mids are fine but treble a bit on the hot side needed to use siltech cables to smoothen out the treble and increase the pace of the music.

A bit disappointed with the lack of musicality of the speakers. Have used them for four years just sold recenlty.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: DizzyD on August 03, 2010, 23:43
This thread is kind of dead.

Any real owners for CM7 here? I would love to hear the 800s but I realised the price gap from CM to 800s is like one galaxy away.  ;D
I will find time to go TEG to hear the hugging warmth of B&W CM series. I may just steal a peek at 804D which I think is one of the most beautiful speakers in the world. 804s wasn't that out of reach but the d for diamond just push the ante way up. I think CM should be equally good but keen to hear owners experience with them.

cheers
Title: CM series
Post by: petetherock on August 04, 2010, 08:11
C722, chase 78, and a few others own the CM 1.
Some threads:
http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=73292.0

Comments:
http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=73292.0

The CM series is not as popular as the 6 series due to a couple of reasons IMO:

- HT, the 6 series is more value for HT and the smoother tone of the CM series does not encourage B/W enthusiasts to get it
- cost - as we all are aware, when it is compared to others in its class, you can find alternatives which are less costly. Its the same reason why Marantz is so popular. It costs significantly less in Singapore compare to other brands which are priced at the same band in other markets.

As for the sonic tone, it falls into a "nice" and "safe" sound - so it is none fatiguing, warm and easy to listen to for background music. It lacks the hump in the bass range like the MA RS 6, so that may not endear it to buyers looking for the "thump thump" kind of bass, and it is not high or treble happy and won't appeal to those who for example prefer the JM Lab / MA sound.

So where does it leave it? Well, I would avoid Arcam or Marantz to partner it if you are keen. Something a little more exciting to bring the best out of it. The older and obsolete 7xx series was a better buy IMO. But now with the price of the new 8XX, there is a significant gap in price between the CM and the new 8xx series. If you are not adverse to 2nd hand buys, the older 805s will give you more in sound and bass than the CM 7.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: DizzyD on August 04, 2010, 09:04
Thanks Petetherock

My application is for both HT and music and the speakers need to be dynamic sounding but not to harsh for long listening. I think you describe that B&W will fit the latter but the formal is not as clear. Damn the 800s are so ex.

Would you think that it will be a sonic upgrade for me from MA Silvers to B&W 600 series? I would be needing floorstanders.

Cheers
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on August 04, 2010, 09:20
Going from MAs to the CM is more of a lateral shift than a quantum leap IMO. You may also want to try out the MA RX series, which has been reputed to be more ear friendly than the RS series.
But as usual Auditioning is vital, my meat could be your poison.

But if music is really important, I would look for a better amp (read good stereo amp) to partner your speakers. It may be better to pay for for 6xx if your MAs are old, then get a decent 2nd pair of 805s for music.

Otherwise keep your MAs, then spend on the new stereo pair instead.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: chase78 on August 15, 2010, 16:54
thanks bro petetherock for mentioning. ::)  :-*

so i contribute my 2 cents.

well as bro pete said cm1 is safe lo. safe and simple. its smooth in a way... good for vocals and classical music and strings and trumpet.

its like a wife / gf who is undemanding. u will not hiam her or find fault. def not sexy. depends on wat u like in life. the old monsoon audio salesman suggested cm1 and i took the bait, its was the end of monsoon selling B&w so they thrown in free stands to clear.

i think sound wise is one up from those popular quads 12L or something. but sound is below those mid to hi end models like rogers ls 35 or 805 or atc. not very detailed either. soundstage is generally good, depends on the source.

design wise is very very good with good scandinavian handiwork and finishing. magnet stick on covers.

do agree with petetherock comment that 805 better than cm7. 805 has that soul or midrange or something treble to it (i cant define). cm7 is like cm1 with more bass and freqs. still good nonetheless. 805 is like a souped up hifi version of cm1 (although now cant say that am a fan of 805 sound). its like same family but also different? Bro pete care to share your thoughts on this "family" sound?

lastly, cm1 uses the bass airport which has a sound of its own. its like a moving airy bass sound. one friend does nt like this. esp if you dun have stuff to absorb the bass like in my living room.

Bro dizzy, if u wan can come my place to listen. PM me. pairing up with old classe amp here. sounds good la, cant hiam, not fast not furious.

thanks guys.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on August 15, 2010, 19:11
chase78
Maybe you can consider dropping by with your CM 1 and try it with the setup I have, then you will have the answer for yourself :)

The sound is different - the 805s is also a larger beast.

Its a pity that the 805D is significantly more. Many would aspire to the 8 series, but its a lot further away now.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: chase78 on August 16, 2010, 21:34
chase78
Maybe you can consider dropping by with your CM 1 and try it with the setup I have, then you will have the answer for yourself :)

The sound is different - the 805s is also a larger beast.

Its a pity that the 805D is significantly more. Many would aspire to the 8 series, but its a lot further away now.

i scared drop by your 805s beast eat my mini cute and innocent CM1 up. :P *chomp chomp*
still wanna check out your setup le... 8)

u mean 805d costs more? bnw jacking up prices na... they sound damn good?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: DizzyD on August 17, 2010, 14:35
chase78

Thanks for your offer of audition. I will PM you to arrange.

Anyway I have went down to listen to CM7 and 804D but somehow I wasn't suck into the music. Not sure whether it is because there are using Arcam AVR to drive both speakers (not sure why Diamond is driven by Arcam AVR also) Although the sound is warm but it is not engaging enough for me and does not feel exciting at all. I am not able to describe audiophile terms like nice high mid lows etc but I want my future speakers to sound big and engaging. i.e I can tap to the song or make me immerse into the nice rythmn.

Also 804D pricing is way of the world. So good for me too as I cannot afford. CM7 dont appear to be an sonic upgrade versus my Monitor Audios.

Cheers
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on August 17, 2010, 22:37
chase78 and dizzy
I am doing a small gathering / movie night at my place this Sat after 8pm - YCK.
Pm me if you wish to attend.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: chanfm on August 21, 2010, 22:43
Thanks to Pete and the rest for singing the praises of B&W. I bought a B&W 805S today and hooked it up to an Onkyo AVR. It is awesome. I hope to get a decent power amp soon to partner it.

Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on August 22, 2010, 00:03
Thanks to Pete and the rest for singing the praises of B&W. I bought a B&W 805S today and hooked it up to an Onkyo AVR. It is awesome. I hope to get a decent power amp soon to partner it.


Well done bro, I think you will enjoy it more with a real stereo amp - ask chase78.... I think he had fun tonight with the 805s... will wait for him to get home first...

These speakers like power... (I guess you got them from Omegared? )
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: chanfm on August 22, 2010, 00:19
Well done bro, I think you will enjoy it more with a real stereo amp - ask chase78.... I think he had fun tonight with the 805s... will wait for him to get home first...

These speakers like power... (I guess you got them from Omegared? )



yes, I got them from Omegared. Great condition. Do you think I should get a Krell or MF to partner it? I would love to hear your system sometime.

Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on August 22, 2010, 00:25
Well Jimi is coming tomorrow about 3pm for an hour, you can come too if you wish.
Then you can hear what my MF A 5.5 sounds with the Oppo Nuforce.


yes, I got them from Omegared. Great condition. Do you think I should get a Krell or MF to partner it? I would love to hear your system sometime.


Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: chanfm on August 22, 2010, 00:30
Well Jimi is coming tomorrow about 3pm for an hour, you can come too if you wish.
Then you can hear what my MF A 5.5 sounds with the Oppo Nuforce.


Gosh, I wish I could. I am booked for Fried Rice Paradise tomorrow at 3 pm.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: crazysurfer on August 22, 2010, 00:56

Gosh, I wish I could. I am booked for Fried Rice Paradise tomorrow at 3 pm.

Just watch it today, a great musical but I still prefer the original with Dick Lee & Jacintha.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: chanfm on August 22, 2010, 01:01
Just watch it today, a great musical but I still prefer the original with Dick Lee & Jacintha.


Let's get together some other time...
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: crazysurfer on August 22, 2010, 01:07

Let's get together some other time...

Good idea, in fact I'm also looking for an amp to paired with my 803S as I'm not satisfied with my current amp from Arcam as well. Was thinking along the lines of a Classe Stereo Amp but the price of the new CA-2300 is killing me. Any suggestions on a good combi with a reasonable price?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on August 22, 2010, 08:31

Gosh, I wish I could. I am booked for Fried Rice Paradise tomorrow at 3 pm.
No worries, your speakers should be well run in, so enjoy it and you can upgrade the amp later on. It makes a huge difference...

A well maintained 805s makes a nice sonic investment, until the price of the newer 805D comes to a more reasonable level - don't get me wrong, the newer ones are nice, just not that well priced for the consumer who wants more sound but has a light wallet.

And for us who don't have large spaces, the 805s actually makes a lot of sense, and you don't lose as much in bass. But if busy orchestral music is your cup of tea, then a multiple driver floorstander may be more suitable.

Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on August 22, 2010, 08:33
Musical Fidelity makes a good combination with the 8 series. Good power from the 5, 5.5 or even the M series.
There is a M6 floating around, when it comes down to a realistic price, it will make a good investment - 200W is a nice way of controlling the 803s.

Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: moronman on August 27, 2010, 01:08
Thought I'd share my experience as a happy 805S owner. Glad I got mine before the big jump in price for the newer 805D (which I heard at TEG recently and wasn't sure the price jump justified it).

TBH the 805S was originally not only shortlist until I heard it (I was looking at Spendors). I like jazz vocals and these B&W speakers really do well with them - as far as bookshelves go. The good thing is they are pretty versatile with different types of electronics.

I've listened to them with a Cyrus 8Xpd integrated, then with a couple of Cyrus Mono Xs (loved that, but too ex for me) and now a couple of Bel Canto Ref500Ms.

The 8Xpd sounded good when I first heard it, but you could sense that the speakers wanted more power (okay for vocals, which I mostly listen to, but struggles a little with "complex" pieces). The Mono Xs, which I had a home loan, were detailed and sounded pretty "cosy" (sorry for my terminology as I'm a recent hi-fi buff). Finally, I got hold of the BC Ref500Ms, which really let the speakers open up. A lot more airy and room-filling, and it's clear the presentation is effortless. I am looking to plug in a really nice pre-amp/DAC to complete the current setup now...

To think this all started with the 805s.

If I upgrade from these B&Ws, it'd be to a really good floorstander, which will give some more bass (802s when I strike lottery). That's the only thing you can argue against the 805s if you are picky.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: dXter on August 27, 2010, 09:17
I too had hoped to getting one before the 805D arrived, but alas even the last demo pair were sold when I got the B&W store. I think you can look forward to the BC DAC/pre-amps for the synergy with your amps. :D
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on August 27, 2010, 12:57
Thought I'd share my experience as a happy 805S owner. Glad I got mine before the big jump in price for the newer 805D (which I heard at TEG recently and wasn't sure the price jump justified it).

.......

Nice review and basically agrees with my own observations:

- great for vocals, jazz and small orchestral pieces, not so great for complex large scale orchestra, or to fill up a huge room.

- easy to partner, but I would suggest avoiding too warm a source or amp

- they Love power, they swallow my 250 W per channel amp and happily sound better. So the better the amp, the better the sound. Krells, MF, Bel Cantos, all have been used to great success. Of course B/W will like you to use Classe too.

The issue with price is a real one, and it has been discussed before. Essentially, to enjoy them locally, either pay for the premium, or get a 2nd hand one when it becomes available.


The D series is significantly more costly but there are many audiophiles who won't bat an eyelid at the asking prices. They may not be in this forum, but 10-20k for speakers is nothing to the big players.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: moronman on August 27, 2010, 17:12
I too had hoped to getting one before the 805D arrived, but alas even the last demo pair were sold when I got the B&W store. I think you can look forward to the BC DAC/pre-amps for the synergy with your amps. :D

Heh, I just plugged in a BC DAC3.5 (only LNS1 and not VBS)... but I got a wide smile on my face now. :)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: moronman on August 27, 2010, 17:15

The issue with price is a real one, and it has been discussed before. Essentially, to enjoy them locally, either pay for the premium, or get a 2nd hand one when it becomes available.


The D series is significantly more costly but there are many audiophiles who won't bat an eyelid at the asking prices. They may not be in this forum, but 10-20k for speakers is nothing to the big players.
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Agreed. This is one expensive hobby!
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on August 28, 2010, 08:04
If I were to upgrade my 805s, I will consider getting the matching centre, which means my outlay is too mad at the current prices.

Hence I am happy to stay with it. The current system I used with it is very balanced, and besides my dad uses it more.
I am happily ripping my music into my Imac and preparing a server based on it.
Title: Stands for 805S
Post by: dinoteddy on August 28, 2010, 08:58
Hi Guys,

I am looking for a stand for my 805S. really need some recommendations on what stands i shld be auditioning.
KEC Clarence recommend the SolidSteel "Tripod". It sounds not too bad.

Any other recommendation from the current 805S owners?

 :)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Doggie Howser on August 28, 2010, 09:57
It depends on whether you are just going for looks or improvement to the sound/isolation...

But if you need both? ;)

http://www.taoc.gr.jp/wst60h.html

(http://www.taoc.gr.jp/img/products/wst60h/wst_60h.jpg)

This is designed specifically for the 805s
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: dinoteddy on August 28, 2010, 10:37
 :o

that's really looks nice. But how's TAOC stands performance?
Had read gd reviews on TAOC rack on XP but did not see anyone mentioned abt its spkrs stands.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on August 28, 2010, 10:41
Hi Guys,

I am looking for a stand for my 805S. really need some recommendations on what stands i shld be auditioning.
KEC Clarence recommend the SolidSteel "Tripod". It sounds not too bad.

Any other recommendation from the current 805S owners?

 :)
I am using Atacama SE 24 with spikes on the base plate. Half filled with Atabites. Happy with it. The B/W stands are nice but at 1k I rather spend my $$ on other things.

Get something solid.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Doggie Howser on August 28, 2010, 10:51
Quote from: dinoteddy link=topic=71638.msg592024#msg592024 date=
:o

that's really looks nice. But how's TAOC stands performance?
Had read gd reviews on TAOC rack on XP but did not see anyone mentioned abt its spkrs stands.

TAOC provides tweaks. They also do footers, spikes and isolation bases etc and the stand also falls into a similar tweak. Best is to see if X Audio has a set then see if can bring yr speakers for an audition.

It seems odd to spend so much more on tweaks but if you like the sound signature, fine-tuning it is perhaps better than buying another component that changes that sound signature
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: ilovepanerai on August 28, 2010, 11:04
It depends on whether you are just going for looks or improvement to the sound/isolation...

But if you need both? ;)

http://www.taoc.gr.jp/wst60h.html

(http://www.taoc.gr.jp/img/products/wst60h/wst_60h.jpg)

This is designed specifically for the 805s

TAOC stands are excellent in terms of construction fit and finish,On SQ they may even out perform B&W original stands for the 805d or s. Of cos with that superiority all  comes with a price, costing abt 60% more than the 805s original stands.

Any budget in mind you wanna to put into your upcoming stands so we can advise/suggest.

Cheers 
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Heckler on August 28, 2010, 22:03
Hah, Stand also have an impact on the sounding of the speakers? by the way I was tempting to get 805D also, hope that I would have some time for myself to make my way there to personally listen to it. But problem is if I can afford it.. :(

By the way when i try to search more on the wed, then i found this..
http://soundcinemaintegration.com/sound-cinema-integration/audio/fast-cars-and-great-speakers-bw-and-indy-cars/

Seems that B&W getting faster and faster.. :D
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: watchdog on August 28, 2010, 22:59
Yes, stands do have a great impact on sound. I just substituted my 1/3 sand filled Atacama SE24 with a TAOC speaker stand (mine looks exactly like the one for the B&W 805 pictured, but with rectangular top and bottom plates).

What a difference ! I am not sure I like the difference though.

One warning, it is hard to justify the cost of those stands. Let's say you could buy 2 pairs of the Atacama HMS-2 with change left over.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Heckler on August 29, 2010, 11:17
why not fill up with all sand ? only 1/3??

Yes, stands do have a great impact on sound. I just substituted my 1/3 sand filled Atacama SE24 with a TAOC speaker stand (mine looks exactly like the one for the B&W 805 pictured, but with rectangular top and bottom plates).

What a difference ! I am not sure I like the difference though.

One warning, it is hard to justify the cost of those stands. Let's say you could buy 2 pairs of the Atacama HMS-2 with change left over.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: watchdog on August 29, 2010, 12:29
I think this is a bit OT, but my experience is that most stands sound worse fully filled compared to partially filled. No hard and fast rules, but between 1/3 to 2/3 works best for me depending on the balance of the system.

why not fill up with all sand ? only 1/3??

Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: dinoteddy on August 30, 2010, 13:53
Yes, stands do have a great impact on sound. I just substituted my 1/3 sand filled Atacama SE24 with a TAOC speaker stand (mine looks exactly like the one for the B&W 805 pictured, but with rectangular top and bottom plates).

What a difference ! I am not sure I like the difference though.

One warning, it is hard to justify the cost of those stands. Let's say you could buy 2 pairs of the Atacama HMS-2 with change left over.

Had checked out the cost of the 805 TAOC stand.
Wow!! It cost Not 2 but 3 pairs of HMS-2. So I opt for the latter.
Delivery tomorrow. Hope it sounds gd on my setup.  ;D
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Heckler on August 30, 2010, 22:58
Mhh..wondering how much ya paying for the stands leh bro.. too exp also boh hua leh.. realy got improvement if you got other stands rather than the ori B&W stand?

Had checked out the cost of the 805 TAOC stand.
Wow!! It cost Not 2 but 3 pairs of HMS-2. So I opt for the latter.
Delivery tomorrow. Hope it sounds gd on my setup.  ;D

Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: dinoteddy on August 31, 2010, 08:51
my current stand is not the original ones from B&W. It's a customed made one which i got from a fellow bro here.
now one of the stand's joint having some problem. the stand can "shake" while the base is firmly sitting on the floor.
That's why looking around for a good stand and decided on the Atacama HMS-2

really like the 805 TAOC stand but it really too ex.  :-\
the cost (plus 805S) is already 3/4 of the price of the 805D.  >:(

Mhh..wondering how much ya paying for the stands leh bro.. too exp also boh hua leh.. realy got improvement if you got other stands rather than the ori B&W stand?

Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: chase78 on September 02, 2010, 00:20
Good idea, in fact I'm also looking for an amp to paired with my 803S as I'm not satisfied with my current amp from Arcam as well. Was thinking along the lines of a Classe Stereo Amp but the price of the new CA-2300 is killing me. Any suggestions on a good combi with a reasonable price?

thnks bro pete for inviting me to your place to sample your 805s. they sure sound good. :-* :-* :-* u are one happy man~~~~~

Bro crazy surf... if u can find a 2nd hand of classe on echo, jus grab. dun need to think. the old classes sound better than new (not i say one, asia sound person say one :)) and the pricing should be around 1k ++ for 100 watts. there are instances of availability.

not bc i using  ;) :) ;) but the old classe sound warm, liquid airy with power. a bit similar to now bryston sound. lacks speed, music might sound a bit slow. but the smoothness is to behold... even krell cannot come close musically (krell more of the deep bass bang bang boom).

its like paying 1k plus for a 6k sound (current prices)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: crazysurfer on September 02, 2010, 19:27
thnks bro pete for inviting me to your place to sample your 805s. they sure sound good. :-* :-* :-* u are one happy man~~~~~

Bro crazy surf... if u can find a 2nd hand of classe on echo, jus grab. dun need to think. the old classes sound better than new (not i say one, asia sound person say one :)) and the pricing should be around 1k ++ for 100 watts. there are instances of availability.

not bc i using  ;) :) ;) but the old classe sound warm, liquid airy with power. a bit similar to now bryston sound. lacks speed, music might sound a bit slow. but the smoothness is to behold... even krell cannot come close musically (krell more of the deep bass bang bang boom).

its like paying 1k plus for a 6k sound (current prices)

Yep, agree with you bro. That is why I'm willing to pay for a used one that is abt 200W or more to drive my pr of 803S so let me know if anyone knows or has one for sale.

Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: chase78 on September 04, 2010, 21:19
the last line of 6k sound at 1k prices is also mentioned by another person. :) :)

Do feel that 100W is very sufficient. Of course 200W there is much more horsepower. Vroooooom...
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: isplash on September 04, 2010, 22:25
Hi Guys,

I have came across this video showing the manufacturing process of the new 800 series.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mNgYU-3ULc[/youtube]



Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: crazysurfer on September 05, 2010, 01:04
the last line of 6k sound at 1k prices is also mentioned by another person. :) :)

Do feel that 100W is very sufficient. Of course 200W there is much more horsepower. Vroooooom...

Of course 100W is sufficient to produce some sound from these speakes but you'll be surprise what you'd been missing if you're to drive them with a decent & much more powerful amp of at least 200W or more. It will surely bring out the potential that the B&W's are capable of and make them sing with music that you have never heard before to your ears.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: chase78 on September 12, 2010, 17:36
yep def... the more power the better~~~~~~
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Heckler on September 13, 2010, 21:43
Sure lah, like you driving a 1.5cc and 2.5cc twin tlubo lah>> :)

the last line of 6k sound at 1k prices is also mentioned by another person. :) :)

Do feel that 100W is very sufficient. Of course 200W there is much more horsepower. Vroooooom...
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Heckler on September 13, 2010, 21:52
Yeap, I agree with cyber on this, :) I have already dropby to B&W with wifey leh, she dam like the 805D, Kenny also intro to me the 804D which is one of the bigger brother of the 805D and the sound to me is damn nice leh (more complete to the 805D) .. he then put me on Lily ah.. dt know which singer lah.. really can feel that girl just singing in front of me leh, vocal was mellow and the highs are great leh.. :)

I like them very very much as my wifey does, one of the unique on these speakers are very much to a lifestyle design. where the Kenny mention to me that the tweeter is on top, at first tot that was a mic leh.. lolz..

Anyway will go for more audition on other brands sin le.. :)

By the way hor..cyber you using also B&W speakers ah? Can let me know which particular model boh? :)

Of course 100W is sufficient to produce some sound from these speakes but you'll be surprise what you'd been missing if you're to drive them with a decent & much more powerful amp of at least 200W or more. It will surely bring out the potential that the B&W's are capable of and make them sing with music that you have never heard before to your ears.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Jat on September 17, 2010, 01:09
Hi all,

I'm a novice at this so I'd like to seek some help if possible. I've recently auditioned several speakers and am most impressed with b&w's mt25. I know this is their lowest end model but I have a small budget of 3.5k for both speakers and receiver so trying to make do here. Also, my living room is relatively small but shares the same space as the dining area and kitchen. (my place is a hdb 3room flat - distance from tv to opposite wall where sofa will be is 2.8m and the whole length of that area is about 10m, though living room only takes up the centre 2+m)

I'd like to know if the mt25 will be powerful enough for my living room and if the onkyo 608 is good enough to drive the speakers? Another question is if the onkyo will be a good match for the b&w? I've only auditioned the speakers with yamaha and arcam.

Any reply will be greatly appreciated! :)
 
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: chase78 on September 17, 2010, 15:17
Hi guys,

I am sure there are a lot of B&W lovers in this forum. Maybe we can start off by posting our beloved setup here.  :)

(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/8051/804s3.jpg)

(http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/6298/804s1.jpg)

(http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/7600/804s4.jpg)

late to this post.

Bro isplash... wow looks like you upgraded! Thats one spiffy looking system... havent had a chance to check out your showroom!!! niceness.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: isplash on September 17, 2010, 20:46
late to this post.

Bro isplash... wow looks like you upgraded! Thats one spiffy looking system... havent had a chance to check out your showroom!!! niceness.

Thanks chase78 

Haha, I haven't upgraded for a long time actually but currently i'm looking for a dac. Still looking around though, is really hard to decide which one to go for as there are too many choices.

You are always welcome to drop by. Just drop me a PM to arrange.  ;)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: DJQ on September 17, 2010, 21:12
Simplicity is also one key to good sound.  :)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on September 18, 2010, 20:31
Welcome to XP.

3.5k is a decent budget for an amp and speakers. And your choice will drive it adequately in your room size.
But adequate and nice are quite different.
If you do a search, for example, on the planet HT section, someone there is lamenting that the centre of this setup does not do justice to the voice.

So you need to be aware of your own needs or be realistic about what satellites can do. I would suggest you take a moment to read the threads such as the stickies and in particular the thread on satellites, which has useful info.

Sats are a compromise of form over function, and so long as you are happy with that, then all is well.

Buying the MT 25 also means you end up with a lesser amp, since they are not the cheapest thing around. The systems thread gives you an idea of what you can get with 3.5k if you are open to larger and less "pretty" speakers.

Good luck and others will give you their opinions too. At the end of the day, if you are happy with the system you have chosen, then thats all the matters.

Cheers


Hi all,

I'm a novice at this so I'd like to seek some help if possible. I've recently auditioned several speakers and am most impressed with b&w's mt25. I know this is their lowest end model but I have a small budget of 3.5k for both speakers and receiver so trying to make do here. Also, my living room is relatively small but shares the same space as the dining area and kitchen. (my place is a hdb 3room flat - distance from tv to opposite wall where sofa will be is 2.8m and the whole length of that area is about 10m, though living room only takes up the centre 2+m)

I'd like to know if the mt25 will be powerful enough for my living room and if the onkyo 608 is good enough to drive the speakers? Another question is if the onkyo will be a good match for the b&w? I've only auditioned the speakers with yamaha and arcam.

Any reply will be greatly appreciated! :)
 
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: crazysurfer on September 18, 2010, 20:56
Welcome to XP.

3.5k is a decent budget for an amp and speakers. And your choice will drive it adequately in your room size.
But adequate and nice are quite different.
If you do a search, for example, on the planet HT section, someone there is lamenting that the centre of this setup does not do justice to the voice.

So you need to be aware of your own needs or be realistic about what satellites can do. I would suggest you take a moment to read the threads such as the stickies and in particular the thread on satellites, which has useful info.

Sats are a compromise of form over function, and so long as you are happy with that, then all is well.

Buying the MT 25 also means you end up with a lesser amp, since they are not the cheapest thing around. The systems thread gives you an idea of what you can get with 3.5k if you are open to larger and less "pretty" speakers.

Good luck and others will give you their opinions too. At the end of the day, if you are happy with the system you have chosen, then thats all the matters.

Cheers

I couldn't agree more with petetherock and that was why I chose function over form and compromise on the looks to get the sound. After all, the looks of the B&W Speakers isn't so bad, in fact it looks great with the Nautilus tweeter & solid wood Rosenut Finishing and this form really goes well with the function of the speakers and is really not much of a compromise anyway. Something worth seriously considering in my opinion.

Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Jat on September 21, 2010, 09:40
Hi petetherock and crazysurfer,

Thanks for your advice! I have actually read through numerous threads on this forums and also auditioned a number of set-ups. Since I'm still new at this, I have also read up WHF and other review forums/websites. I've finally bought the Onkyo 608 with the B&W MT25. Have not set them up yet cos my place is still undergoing renovation. Very excited though!  ;D

I understand that the MT25 does not come with a very powerful sub, but my place is relatively small so hopefully the experience will not be too bad. Also, due to space constraints, we are only able to wall-mount the rear speakers so the sats are the only option. Hopefully everything will turn out well. Will update when the set up is complete to help other newbies like me! :)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: ryder on September 21, 2010, 10:37
Isplash,

Nice room with serious room treatments. I noticed you gears are placed on top of a long wooden rack. My setup is similar in configuration to yours as my equipment are also placed on top of a similar long wooden rack albeit one that comes with legs. I am planning to buy a good rack stand soon. Have you ever considered getting a rack with good resonance control for your gears? From the likes of Hutter, Finite Elemente etc.

Great looking system by the way.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: isplash on September 21, 2010, 11:53
Isplash,

Nice room with serious room treatments. I noticed you gears are placed on top of a long wooden rack. My setup is similar in configuration to yours as my equipment are also placed on top of a similar long wooden rack albeit one that comes with legs. I am planning to buy a good rack stand soon. Have you ever considered getting a rack with good resonance control for your gears? From the likes of Hutter, Finite Elemente etc.

Great looking system by the way.

Thanks ryder,

The wooden rack that you see double up as an adjustable bass trap in my listening room. I have also added two pieces of marble with form (similar to those use by Symposium) to control the vibration going to the equipment. (pics not updated)

I did consider the TAOC rack but that means i have to replace the current bass trap with a similar one on the ceiling to avoid clutter in the room which i don't intend to that in the mean time. So is a compromise.  ;D
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: ryder on September 21, 2010, 12:11
Thanks for the response Isplash.

So the long wooden cabinet double up as a bass trap apart from supporting your equipment. Does the bass trap work on Helmholtz principles? Usually bass frequencies will concentrate at the corners of the room where the traps are placed. If the wooden cabinet is a bass trap, don't you think the cabinet will vibrate more as it stores more bass energy in it before the energy is dissipated off? Since you have only two components sitting on top, you might just want to try placing them on a small 2-tier rack just beside the wooden cabinet. If there is no difference in sound quality then you can move them back to their original placement.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: isplash on September 21, 2010, 12:31
Thanks for the response Isplash.

So the long wooden cabinet double up as a bass trap apart from supporting your equipment. Does the bass trap work on Helmholtz principles? Usually bass frequencies will concentrate at the corners of the room where the traps are placed. If the wooden cabinet is a bass trap, don't you think the cabinet will vibrate more as it stores more bass energy in it before the energy is dissipated off? Since you have only two components sitting on top, you might just want to try placing them on a small 2-tier rack just beside the wooden cabinet. If there is no difference in sound quality then you can move them back to their original placement.

Cheers.

Hi Ryder,

Honestly, i know little about acoustic treatment. So i can't explain how the bass energy is been dissipated. But as far as i know, the cabinet cause little or no vibration. This room is design with the help of joamonte and i'm sure he can help to explain more if he is reading this thread.

cheers  ;)





 

Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: jimi on September 21, 2010, 13:17
Thanks for the response Isplash.

So the long wooden cabinet double up as a bass trap apart from supporting your equipment. Does the bass trap work on Helmholtz principles? Usually bass frequencies will concentrate at the corners of the room where the traps are placed. If the wooden cabinet is a bass trap, don't you think the cabinet will vibrate more as it stores more bass energy in it before the energy is dissipated off? Since you have only two components sitting on top, you might just want to try placing them on a small 2-tier rack just beside the wooden cabinet. If there is no difference in sound quality then you can move them back to their original placement.

Cheers.

Isplash, I have the same bass trap design. Would agree with ryder's comments.

Perhaps you can use either a low level rack in front of the bass cabinet, or even just put them next to each other on platforms.

My room is also v tight but if I am too close to the rear wall the one behind the seat, then it can sound boomy despite the bass traps. Luckily I have got enough room to move the seat forward a bit. Perhaps try it to see. Though you might have to put the spkrs a little closer together.

How big is your room anyway? It looks like the room is longer the other way round, wonder why Joamonte didn't arrange it that way?

Gorgeous looking room though btw  8)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: chase78 on September 21, 2010, 13:27
Thanks chase78 

Haha, I haven't upgraded for a long time actually but currently i'm looking for a dac. Still looking around though, is really hard to decide which one to go for as there are too many choices.

You are always welcome to drop by. Just drop me a PM to arrange.  ;)


thanks bro isplash. found your number in my phone. will sms if around the place in evening. thanks! :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: isplash on September 21, 2010, 16:09
Isplash, I have the same bass trap design. Would agree with ryder's comments.

Perhaps you can use either a low level rack in front of the bass cabinet, or even just put them next to each other on platforms.

My room is also v tight but if I am too close to the rear wall the one behind the seat, then it can sound boomy despite the bass traps. Luckily I have got enough room to move the seat forward a bit. Perhaps try it to see. Though you might have to put the spkrs a little closer together.

How big is your room anyway? It looks like the room is longer the other way round, wonder why Joamonte didn't arrange it that way?

Gorgeous looking room though btw  8)

Hi Jimi,

My room is squarish measuring 2.8m x 2.75m. The picture was taken using a wide angle lens thus the effect.  :P

Personally, i have tried placing the components in front of the bass trap with the marble platform. However, with this configuration i didn't like what i hear. I could be wrong, but i suspect the bass trap without the heavy damping from the two marble platforms have caused resonance that affect the sound.

Beside that, i also dislike the wiring become expose whereas if i place the components on the bass trap i can have the wiring hidden behind (have a baby at home so is kind of important) and easier to do cleaning.

But i guess is all about experiencing.. May try ryder suggestion by placing a small rack beside the bass trap if i have the chance.

cheers  :D



Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: chanfm on September 23, 2010, 07:56
Hi Pete,


I hv been experimenting with the 805S and MF 5.5 Amp. Generally quite good but I can't find the right balance of low, mid and highs.

I fashioned some jumper cables from a few types of spare speaker wires and found that they make a lot of difference to the sound. But it still does not seem quite right.

Can u share with me what jumper cables you use on your 805S? I would like to try.

Thanks for your help.



FM
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on September 23, 2010, 11:45
As mentioned, I use B/W or Xindak ones. The 805s are very revealing, and small tweaks can be heard quite easily.

YMMV, and I would go slow, as the tweaks can get very expensive...

In case it is not clear:

B/W = B & W = Bowers & Wilkins
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: RAYRAY on September 25, 2010, 17:09
Hi Guys,

Good to know there is a B & W owners thread.

My setup :
Creek Destiny - Int Amp
NAD C542 - CD Player
MHDT Havana - DAC
B & W 603 S3 - Speakers

I love my setup and intend to have a Power Amp added at a later stage.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on September 25, 2010, 17:12
Welcome to the B/W thread.
I don't think a power amp will improve the sound much from your Creek.
It is unlikely to be a power issue and you should assess properly what is missing before you spend money chasing this path.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: RAYRAY on September 25, 2010, 17:20
Thank you Pete.

I used Acrolink interconnect and Kimber speaker cable, but, I just felt the "bass" is missing on some vocal track.
By the way, I had inserted round sponge into the back of the speaker (like round bass ports) to cut down the "boomy" sound production.

Still experimenting.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on September 25, 2010, 18:38
The reason for that is our local problem: speakers too big or stick at corners and in order to compensate we need room treatment. That bung is a stop gap measure. The 603 is a big fella but the bungs cut off the low end a bit but it's a compromise. Bring your speakers out more and take out the bungs then make sure you have at least a metre from the side and back walls plus around 2-3 m between the speakers and run a freq sweep with a Spl meter.

That's why in UK smaller speakers with less bass are preferred as we move to flats which resemble pidgeon holes :)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: superlazy on September 25, 2010, 21:20
This thread is kind of dead.

Any real owners for CM7 here? I would love to hear the 800s but I realised the price gap from CM to 800s is like one galaxy away.  ;D
I will find time to go TEG to hear the hugging warmth of B&W CM series. I may just steal a peek at 804D which I think is one of the most beautiful speakers in the world. 804s wasn't that out of reach but the d for diamond just push the ante way up. I think CM should be equally good but keen to hear owners experience with them.

cheers
Hi DizzyD

Just audition CM 7 and like it quite a bit.


Consideing between Def Tech, MS and B&W.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: fengshenwee on September 26, 2010, 04:15
Y no new B&W Diamond series owner showing their new toy?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: RAYRAY on September 26, 2010, 06:45
Thanks Pete,

will experiment your suggestion.


The reason for that is our local problem: speakers too big or stick at corners and in order to compensate we need room treatment. That bung is a stop gap measure. The 603 is a big fella but the bungs cut off the low end a bit but it's a compromise. Bring your speakers out more and take out the bungs then make sure you have at least a metre from the side and back walls plus around 2-3 m between the speakers and run a freq sweep with a Spl meter.

That's why in UK smaller speakers with less bass are preferred as we move to flats which resemble pidgeon holes :)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: RAYRAY on September 27, 2010, 23:15
To add,

I definitely will want to have a Classes Int Amp like CAP-100 or CAP-151 to match with the 603.
Seem difficult to find a used CAP-100 or CAP-151 available on the used market.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on September 27, 2010, 23:23
To add,

I definitely will want to have a Classes Int Amp like CAP-100 or CAP-151 to match with the 603.
Seem difficult to find a used CAP-100 or CAP-151 available on the used market.
If you are getting the Classe, dump the 603 and get a better speaker. You are putting money towards something before you play around with your current setup and make it as optimal as you can....

Think about that first.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: RAYRAY on September 27, 2010, 23:30
Thank you Pete.
If really managed to get hold of a used Classe 100 or 151, probably will switch to CM1 or CM5.


If you are getting the Classe, dump the 603 and get a better speaker. You are putting money towards something before you play around with your current setup and make it as optimal as you can....

Think about that first.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: superlazy on October 07, 2010, 21:52
Hi, anyone looking to sell your CM7? pls message me. Thanks.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: superlazy on October 10, 2010, 09:35
Any idea where I can get second hand B&W speakers?

Thanks guys!
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: chanfm on October 10, 2010, 13:57
Thank you Pete.
If really managed to get hold of a used Classe 100 or 151, probably will switch to CM1 or CM5.




I just saw a Classe Cap 151 advertised by soundlab at echo loft.  For the record, I don't know the seller.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: crosstan on October 10, 2010, 21:45
Hi, I see that there are a lot of bros out here using the 800 series and some with the 600 series. Has anyone had or is still using the now discontinued 700 series? I own a pair of 704 and use them both for music and movies, although more for movies recently. I'm using Denon 2809 to drive them in bi-amp mode. My center is HTM7 and the surrounds are BP1.2X from def tech, SPL800i for SW. Thing is, I am not completely satisfied with the sound. Its hard to describe but I feel that it is too airy. It lacks the focus punch that I hear in showrooms. I believe that a lot of it has to do with my room (which is not treated in any way) and I will be working on that. But apart from that, is that anything that I can do to make the speakers "sing" to me more? For example, will getting a power amp buy me anything? If so, any recommendations? Thanks in advance for the advice.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on October 10, 2010, 21:54
I have a Denon 2809 and its fine for basic speakers, bi-amping doesn't do much and neither will adding a power amp. You will still be using the 2809 as a pre-amp.

You can consider a stereo amp with a HT bypass function such as the recently discontinued Musical Fidelity A 3.5.

Cheers
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: crosstan on October 11, 2010, 13:19
Hi Pete,
thanks for the advice, but can you elaborate a bit more? I'm not too familiar with how the HT bypass works. Does that mean that I will connect the preouts from 2809 to the inputs of a stereo integrated amplifier and switch on the HT bypass mode? If that is the case, am I not just using the power amp section of the stereo amp?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Doggie Howser on October 11, 2010, 13:43
Hi Pete,
thanks for the advice, but can you elaborate a bit more? I'm not too familiar with how the HT bypass works. Does that mean that I will connect the preouts from 2809 to the inputs of a stereo integrated amplifier and switch on the HT bypass mode? If that is the case, am I not just using the power amp section of the stereo amp?

HT bypass allows TWO preamps to share the power amps.

eg

CD/LP -> stereo pre-amp -> power amp

AVR pre out -> stereo pre-amp's HT bypass input -> power amp

Anything plugged into the HT bypass input basically bypasses the stereo pre-amp's preamp stage including level attenuation and/or tone controls. It's like plugging directly to the power amp.

There are also integrated stereo amps that have HT bypass (ie the AVR pre out goes direct to the int amp's power stage)

Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: crazysurfer on October 11, 2010, 20:24
HT bypass allows TWO preamps to share the power amps.

eg

CD/LP -> stereo pre-amp -> power amp

AVR pre out -> stereo pre-amp's HT bypass input -> power amp

Anything plugged into the HT bypass input basically bypasses the stereo pre-amp's preamp stage including level attenuation and/or tone controls. It's like plugging directly to the power amp.

There are also integrated stereo amps that have HT bypass (ie the AVR pre out goes direct to the int amp's power stage)

If your CDP has a Pre-amp section with a Balance output and your Stereo Pwr Amp has 2 inputs (Balance & RCA), isn't it better to just plug the balance output from that CDP directly into the balance input on that Stereo Pwr Amp while the RCA pre-out from the AVR  can then be plug directly into the RCA input on the same Stereo Pwr Amp?

That is;-

CDP Balance (XLR) Output -> Stereo Pwr Amp Balance (XLR) Input

AVR (RCA) Pre-out -> Stereo Pwr Amp (RCA) Input


Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: RAYRAY on October 12, 2010, 13:24
Hi,

I went to check but cannot locate the advertisement. ???


I just saw a Classe Cap 151 advertised by soundlab at echo loft.  For the record, I don't know the seller.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Doggie Howser on October 12, 2010, 14:35
If your CDP has a Pre-amp section with a Balance output and your Stereo Pwr Amp has 2 inputs (Balance & RCA), isn't it better to just plug the balance output from that CDP directly into the balance input on that Stereo Pwr Amp while the RCA pre-out from the AVR  can then be plug directly into the RCA input on the same Stereo Pwr Amp?

That is;-

CDP Balance (XLR) Output -> Stereo Pwr Amp Balance (XLR) Input

AVR (RCA) Pre-out -> Stereo Pwr Amp (RCA) Input

Your power amp accepts ONLY one input, whether it is RCA or XLR. It's just that the earth/ground is hooked up differently when you use the switch to toggle between the two.

If you hook BOTH up, BOTH sets are hooked up simultaneously to the power amp, and there's a potential for one end to act as an antenna and introduce EMI.

(ps I did think of this before.. but I emailed my power amp manufacturer just to be sure, and he explained it was a nono. I believe another person has confirmed this to be the case for Emotiva as well. I would expect this to be the same for most power amps)

Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Audio on October 12, 2010, 14:43
If you hook BOTH up, BOTH sets are hooked up simultaneously to the power amp, and there's a potential for one end to act as an antenna and introduce EMI.

I think EMI is least of your problem, at least, not with your audio signal.  What will be the concern will be the 2 outputs will interface with each other and the electric current will follow between the 2 pre-amp outputs depending on the instantaneous value of the signals.  Not a good situation.

(Audio)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Doggie Howser on October 12, 2010, 14:51
This is straight from horse's mouth

Quote
Unfortunately the amps are designed to have only one source connected at a time. The push button XLR/RCA switch on the back is NOT an input selector, but relates to proper input grounding. Having two sources connected at the same time will most likely result in lots of EMI/RFI contamination, as the "other" source is acting like an antenna, feeding any garbage it's picking up directly to the input stage of the amp(s).

You may need to figure out a way to run the Benchmark through the Onkyo (not ideal I realize). Maybe the benchmark has a theater bypass (thru put), and the Onkyo can be run into the Benchmark?

I should also mention that whatever you decide, make sure to shut the amp(s) off when changing cables. These guys are very sensitive to transient spikes resulting from cables changes when powered.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Audio on October 12, 2010, 14:59
Not disputing the EMI thingy but I don't think that has a bigger impact than having 2 outputs interacting / fighting with each other.  :)

(Audio)

By the way, which horse's mouth is this?   hahahahahahahahah

Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Doggie Howser on October 12, 2010, 15:13
I emailed BCD tech support a while back trying to find a way to hook the Benchmark Pre3 to the REF1000
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: crazysurfer on October 12, 2010, 19:57
Your power amp accepts ONLY one input, whether it is RCA or XLR. It's just that the earth/ground is hooked up differently when you use the switch to toggle between the two.

If you hook BOTH up, BOTH sets are hooked up simultaneously to the power amp, and there's a potential for one end to act as an antenna and introduce EMI.

(ps I did think of this before.. but I emailed my power amp manufacturer just to be sure, and he explained it was a nono. I believe another person has confirmed this to be the case for Emotiva as well. I would expect this to be the same for most power amps)

Understand the Pwr Amp excepts only 1 input so as long as we switch ON either 1 of the 2 sources only and select the switch accordingly then won't it be ok?


Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Quest on October 12, 2010, 20:02
Understand the Pwr Amp excepts only 1 input so as long as we switch ON either 1 of the 2 sources only and select the switch accordingly then won't it be ok?
Not ok, read DH's post again. :)
As long as there are 2 cables connected to the same power amp, usually it introduces issues even though only one is active at a time. The 'another person' confirming for emotiva is me. ;)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: crazysurfer on October 12, 2010, 20:05
Not ok, read DH's post again. :)
As long as there are 2 cables connected to the same power amp, usually it introduces issues even though only one is active at a time. The 'another person' confirming for emotiva is me. ;)

So only way to hook-up using a single stereo Pwr-Amp with 2 sources is to disconnect the unwanted source cables and switch between them?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Doggie Howser on October 12, 2010, 20:42
or a preamp with HT bypass feature.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: crazysurfer on October 12, 2010, 23:44
or a preamp with HT bypass feature.


I rather prefer a direct link from the source to the Pwr Amp so looks like no other option or anyone know of any good Stereo Pwr Amp that can accomodate a dual source feature?



Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: dane on October 12, 2010, 23:56
I believe the marantz mono blocks MA-9S2 has 3 inputs (1 bal + 2 unbal) with a selector on the front. pricy but top of line..
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Quest on October 13, 2010, 00:00
i also think some bryston stereo amps can support this feature..
only way to tell is to get manufacturer to confirm really.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: crazysurfer on October 13, 2010, 00:05
I believe the marantz mono blocks MA-9S2 has 3 inputs (1 bal + 2 unbal) with a selector on the front. pricy but top of line..

But can it accept multiple inputs simultaneously and not give any prolems like what the bros mentioned here?

i also think some bryston stereo amps can support this feature..
only way to tell is to get manufacturer to confirm really.

Can anyone confirm this as I may be interested to get the Bryston 4B-SST2 to drive my pair of 803S if it has this feature.





Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: dane on October 13, 2010, 06:59
i was told by UK dealer that the Marantz mono blocks can work that way.. they have set on demo, but i didnt visit the shop to verify.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Doggie Howser on October 13, 2010, 09:45

http://www.10audio.com/marantz_ma-9s2.htm

Looks like it does work as intended according to the reviewer.

Quote
The Marantz amps have an input selector switch on the left front panel. It selects between the balanced input and your choice of two unbalanced inputs on the rear panel. I use this valuable feature almost every day. The preamplifier is plugged into the balanced connection. My McIntosh MR500 tuner has variable and fixed-level outputs. I use unbalanced cables to connect the tuner’s variable outputs to one of the unbalanced inputs on the Marantz amplifier. With a simple turn of this selector switch, I can listen to FM radio without turning on the rest of my system, prolonging the life of the tubes in the preamplifier while reducing both my electric bill and “carbon footprint”. Use a McIntosh tuner (or another brand with variable outputs) with the MA-9S2 amplifiers and you have an awesome table radio!

It is a front access input selector and I guess it's meant to be user accessible.

The Bryston seems to be using a rear switch that's usually not designed to be user accessible on a daily basis.

Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Quest on October 13, 2010, 11:02
crazysurfer, i suggest you email the manufacturer to ask the question direct.. that's what i had always done and is a more reliable source of info.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: crazysurfer on October 13, 2010, 21:20
crazysurfer, i suggest you email the manufacturer to ask the question direct.. that's what i had always done and is a more reliable source of info.

Will do that unless any bros here have experience from Bryston can enlighten me.

http://www.10audio.com/marantz_ma-9s2.htm
Looks like it does work as intended according to the reviewer.

It is a front access input selector and I guess it's meant to be user accessible.

The Bryston seems to be using a rear switch that's usually not designed to be user accessible on a daily basis.

I understand Classe Pwr Amps also have the input selector switch at the front face, can it serve the same function too?


Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Doggie Howser on October 13, 2010, 21:26
'what Quest said...

:)

Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: crazysurfer on October 14, 2010, 16:40
'what Quest said...
:)
crazysurfer, i suggest you email the manufacturer to ask the question direct.. that's what i had always done and is a more reliable source of info.

Ok just received confirmation from Bryston that this simultaneous connection can be done and as long as the switching between the XLR or RCA sources is done with the Amp switch Off, there is no issue at all so guess this is another option to consider instead of using an AVR with HT Pre-out after all. Any bros have any comments to add or advice?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: jayou on October 14, 2010, 16:45
Just be careful.  Accidents do happen when you switch wrongly.  For me I will not take the risk.
Just my 1 cent here.
Ok just received confirmation from Bryston that this simultaneous connection can be done and as long as the switching between the XLR or RCA sources is done with the Amp switch Off, there is no issue at all so guess this is another option to consider instead of using an AVR with HT Pre-out after all. Any bros have any comments to add or advice?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: crazysurfer on October 14, 2010, 16:53
Just be careful.  Accidents do happen when you switch wrongly.  For me I will not take the risk.
Just my 1 cent here.

Bryston already confirmed no issue even if you leave both sources ON just that the switching is better to be done with the Amp OFF as a precaution just in case there is sparking cause by the switching that can cause any shorting, this is a general rule of thumb for any other components also. The source components will not affect the sound or performance even with both ON so no issues even if you switch to the wrong source.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: xayide on October 19, 2010, 04:37
Hello,

I need help with a bass-response problem I have with my B&W Nautilus 802 speakers or rather the room they are in. I have made a planview drafting to clear things up a bit. In the green areas there are plentiful of bass in the blue low bass response and red dictates areas with almost no bass at all except extremely hard midbass. My rooms ceiling height is 2280mm. The room length and width is 5520mm by 4520mm.

Just the measurements reveal a flaw in design by standing waves and room modes. Since width is a multiple of the height, 4520/2280 = 2 times. What is even worse is that the 2012mm long window is submerged into the wall adding another 180mm which makes that problem to, ie 5520+180/2280mm = 2.5 times.

At the moment its all running of a krell combo utilising showcase pro/pre and a showcase 7ch amplifier for surround.

So what should I do? Change the room dimensions? The room got 2 coaches, one big carpet, wooden table and a projection screen. Is more furniture going to help or do I need to change the room dimensions by adding another wall onto existing walls? Maybe one really long bookcase to narrow the room could help? Acoustic ceiling maybe, will give about 100 mm more of height. Is cutting of all the corners going to help, not that I sense there is more bass in the corners than in the rest of the green areas? Could someone please give me some advice?

Or should I just face it. N802 is very hard placed and needs a very good room which I can not supply it with? Or is it just bass-shy?

Drawing:
(http://www.esx.se/room.png)



Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on January 10, 2011, 21:26
Hello,

I need help with a bass-response problem I have with my B&W Nautilus 802 speakers or rather the room they are in. I have made a planview drafting to clear things up a bit. In the green areas there are plentiful of bass in the blue low bass response and red dictates areas with almost no bass at all except extremely hard midbass. My rooms ceiling height is 2280mm. The room length and width is 5520mm by 4520mm.

Just the measurements reveal a flaw in design by standing waves and room modes. Since width is a multiple of the height, 4520/2280 = 2 times. What is even worse is that the 2012mm long window is submerged into the wall adding another 180mm which makes that problem to, ie 5520+180/2280mm = 2.5 times.

At the moment its all running of a krell combo utilising showcase pro/pre and a showcase 7ch amplifier for surround.

So what should I do? Change the room dimensions? The room got 2 coaches, one big carpet, wooden table and a projection screen. Is more furniture going to help or do I need to change the room dimensions by adding another wall onto existing walls? Maybe one really long bookcase to narrow the room could help? Acoustic ceiling maybe, will give about 100 mm more of height. Is cutting of all the corners going to help, not that I sense there is more bass in the corners than in the rest of the green areas? Could someone please give me some advice?

Or should I just face it. N802 is very hard placed and needs a very good room which I can not supply it with? Or is it just bass-shy?


Welcome to XP bro
May I suggest you get the help of joamonte for some help, his charges are reasonable.
I have used the 802N in a larger room in Sydney, and they are not easy to place in a small room. You will need extensive room treatment.
Cheers
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on January 10, 2011, 21:27
A new CM5 review:
http://www.soundstage.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=111:bowers-a-wilkins-cm5-loudspeakers&catid=55:full-length-reviews&Itemid=4

Quote
Conclusion

The best audio products make bad recordings sound tolerable, good recordings sound better, and great recordings sound sublime. Irrespective of source or perceived quality of amplification, the B&W CM5 did this. It made a case for spending what it takes to get the speakers you want and, if need be, scrimping on everything else.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: casablanca1969 on January 24, 2011, 09:43
I don't work for Bowers & Wilkins.
I own Bowers & Wilkins Speakers, and have used their speakers, ranging from the 3, 6 and now the 8xx series.

I see a need for a forum where owners can ask questions, post info and & tips without ads.

Owners and potential owners can feel free to post here or the ol' forum.

I will make this thread similar to the MA and Dynaudio thread where owners, buyers and past owners can feel free to post. I freely and openly support brands that I own, and I have no qualms letting others know my own preferences and bias, so feel free to take my posts with a pinch of salt.


Dealers can contribute their feedback and share info, but advertisements alone are best posted elsewhere.

Cheers

800D + Krell EVO 402
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on January 24, 2011, 10:16
800D + Krell EVO 402
Congrats bro
You could be the first person on XP to actually own one of the new D type 8 series speakers.
Been trying to get them to give me quote for ages...
It's been a little quiet on the B/W front for a while.

Do let us know how it sounds or post some pics. Nice partnering gear.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: watchthewaves on January 24, 2011, 10:26
I've found them pretty helpful and responsive with quotes on the phone.  You called or emailed them?

Am toying with the idea of using Hypex amps with one of the 8xx series speakers.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on January 24, 2011, 12:10
I've found them pretty helpful and responsive with quotes on the phone.  You called or emailed them?

Am toying with the idea of using Hypex amps with one of the 8xx series speakers.
By sms and pm?
I was waiting for them to give me a good deal.

No real rush, my 805s are working very well with my MF amp. A new speaker may mean a change of the amps... so no rush.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: adam2 on January 24, 2011, 13:54
hi B&W sifus,

i am deciding on my 1st setup

Arcam A18 + Arcam CD17 + 684 or 685

i am worried that A18 (50w) can drive the 684 properly, appreciate ur advice, thks
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on January 24, 2011, 15:02
the 684 is not hard to drive - 50 good watts is plenty.
Unless you really go mad on the volume it is fine.
Extra watts help with control and dynamics. But the Arcam is a decent amp.

When you get better speakers, then there is always an upgrade path. You can then add a power amp later.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: adam2 on January 24, 2011, 15:17
the 684 is not hard to drive - 50 good watts is plenty.
Unless you really go mad on the volume it is fine.
Extra watts help with control and dynamics. But the Arcam is a decent amp.

When you get better speakers, then there is always an upgrade path. You can then add a power amp later.

upgrading sound good  ;D

i don't know, may be i think too much

685 + stands = 684 + $200


i prefer 684  ;D
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on February 06, 2011, 13:08
Some first hand reviews of the 805D :
http://www.htguide.com/forum/showthread.php4?t=36320

Pus another review in Hi Fi News...
The sonic signature of smooth vocals seems to be retained in this iteration...

http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/Downloads/Product/Review/805-Hi-Fi-News-Jul-2010.pdf
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: superblackbird on February 06, 2011, 22:11
Anyone in here ever tried auditing the B&W with Bryston amps?
Just wondering though.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: jasonteong on February 09, 2011, 12:03
Hi all,
Will like to post a small reminder to inform consumers to be careful with certain online retailers that have claimed to be authorised retailer based in Singapore and can offer very low prices for B&W products.  We regret that B&W's policy is not to have any online retailers except for Apple related products.

We have recieved both queries from B&W and also complains from end-consumers that have paid for their orders and never got their goods.  For such casese, we can only apologise as there is nothing we can do to help recover the monies paid, as these are not authroised retailers.  We can only offer special prices on new purchase to alleviate the pain.

We kindly request consumers to be careful and to verify such retailers before making the purchase.

Sincere regards and Happy Lunar New Year.

Jason Teong
General Manager
The Experts Group Pte Ltd
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: dirtyjack on February 23, 2011, 10:13
Hi shifu,

I'm looking at upgrading my speaker to a cm1. Would like to check with you all  if cyrus 6vs2 is able to drive a b&w cm1 or do you need an amp with more juice? Because I read a lot review saying you need a strong amp to for a cm1 to shine.

Thanks a lot! :)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on February 23, 2011, 10:35
the CM1 is not hard to drive - but what a better amp with power and current gets you is control.
Extra watts help with control and dynamics.

Unless you really go mad on the volume it is fine, esp in a smallish room.
Better amps also offer pre-outs, and when you get better speakers, then there is always an upgrade path. You can then add a power amp later.

Hi shifu,

I'm looking at upgrading my speaker to a cm1. Would like to check with you all  if cyrus 6vs2 is able to drive a b&w cm1 or do you need an amp with more juice? Because I read a lot review saying you need a strong amp to for a cm1 to shine.

Thanks a lot! :)

Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: dirtyjack on February 23, 2011, 13:18
the CM1 is not hard to drive - but what a better amp with power and current gets you is control.
Extra watts help with control and dynamics.

Unless you really go mad on the volume it is fine, esp in a smallish room.
Better amps also offer pre-outs, and when you get better speakers, then there is always an upgrade path. You can then add a power amp later.


Woo! Glad to hear that. Thanks bro!!
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: jasonteong on April 01, 2011, 20:00
Hi,

The other B&W thread is locked so I guess, this will be the other alternative location.  (Wonder why the other B&W thread needs to be locked up? 62902 views the forum's limit?)

Anyway, just wanted to say that we have setup 800 diamond (after a long wait for shipment) and the newly launched CM8 speakers.  

And the New Zeppelin Air featuring AIRPLAY wireless streaming is also here.  For owners that have purchased Zeppelin directly from us, pls watch out for a e-mailer for your exclusive upgrade options.

Feel free to drop by for a listen.

Regards
Jason Teong
General Manager
The Experts Group
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: cstanxpl on June 06, 2011, 20:43
New PM1. Looks nice.  ;D

Image from WHF? website. http://www.whathifi.com/news/bw-pm1-makes-its-world-debut

(http://www.whathifi.com/sites/whathifi.com/files/images/b-and-w/B%26W_PM1b.jpg)

(http://www.whathifi.com/sites/whathifi.com/files/images/b-and-w/BW_PM1e.jpg)

(http://www.whathifi.com/sites/whathifi.com/files/images/b-and-w/B%26W_PM1c.jpg)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on June 06, 2011, 21:35
Nice... You need one...
Quote
fitting in between the CM series and flagship 800 Diamond range at £1995 a pair.

Now that the 805D is so much more costly than the older 805s, B/W enthusiasts need a new speaker which retains the wow factor that the 805s created, without bleeding the consumer too much.

Once you get hooked onto the 805s, very few speakers under 5k will get you excited anymore.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on June 12, 2011, 22:11
Another early look:
http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/speakers/bookshelf/bowers-wilkins-pm-1-bookshelf-speaker-first-look

"The new Prestige Monitor 1 (PM-1) from Bowers & Wilkins (B&W) is designed to fill the void formed when the 800 series was changed to diamond status. This left the $2,500-$3,500 price point without a product. Knowing that they still had consumers with those budgets, B&W took this as an opportunity to really innovate and come out with not just another "me too" speaker, but something very different. "

Trying to capture some lost ground, now that the 8xx series has gone into another level of pricing...
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on July 31, 2011, 20:48
Review of the CM 8:
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/two-channel-speakers/1362-baw-cm8-bookshelf-speakers-.html
Design: 3 -way, Ported, Tower Enclosure
Drivers: One 1" Aluminum Dome Tweeter, One 5" Kevlar FST Midrange, Two 5" Paper/Kevlar Woofers
MFR: 69 Hz - 22 kHz ± 3 dB
Nominal Impedance: 8 Ohms
Crossover Frequencies: 350 Hz, 4 kHz
Recommended Amplifier Power: 30W - 150W
Dimensions: 37.8" H x 6.5" W x 10.9" D
Weight: 43l Pounds/each
Finish Options: Wenge, Rosenut, Gloss Black
MSRP: $1099.99/each (not a pair)

Available from even Best Buys in USA....

"....refined sound....  ...... and gets bright at higher volumes..."
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: cstanxpl on August 01, 2011, 22:05
WHF? video review http://www.whathifi.com/video/bowers-wilkins-pm1-review .

Have to wait for the KEF ad to end before the review begins.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: chaotic on August 07, 2011, 22:27
Anyone tried the b&w c5 earphones? Any reviews? Available locally?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on October 03, 2011, 07:44
A review of the CM series for HT is up at WHF:
http://www.whathifi.com/review/cm9-theatre (http://www.whathifi.com/review/cm9-theatre)

Quote
  • For - Outstanding scale; excellent integration; brilliant detail retrieval and refinement; looks, build and finish
  • Against - Some slight bloom in the mid-bass area; every speaker needs plenty of room to function best
As always, IMO, a floorstander needs room to breathe... and typically tiny living rooms aren't ideal.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: akdwivedi on October 03, 2011, 10:10
does a 683 suite the hdb rooms better.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on October 03, 2011, 10:39
does a 683 suite the hdb rooms better.

This is also a floorstander. Are you willing to spend money on acoustic treatment?
Or simply put your speakers at the two corners of the living room next to the wall?

You will find bookshelf speakers popular in UK, where they value mid, soundstage etc, and also have small space, whereas you will find bigger speakers in USA and Australia, where space is less of a concern.

If you are willing to place them away from the walls, treat the room, they may work to their maximum. Otherwise a smaller bookshelf and a sub will be pretty good too, esp for HT.

Go audition the smaller 684, which isn't bass shy or even the 685.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on October 05, 2011, 23:24
does a 683 suite the hdb rooms better.
BTW bro do seriously listen to the 684. I think the 6 series are fine speakers, and so is the CM series. If the budget fits, you won't go wrong. But the CM is a tad smooth IMO, so you need to partner them right to get it to sound at it's best...
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on October 23, 2011, 19:55
Review of a B/W sub ASW 610:
http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/speakers/subwoofers/asw-610xp

  Pros    Cons
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on October 23, 2011, 19:56
BTW there are some older 8 series speakers lurking around BNIB, so if you chance upon one, grab it! They are very serious sound, eg, the 805s is still IMO one of the best speakers under 5k. If you find a matching centre, run out and get it, and you will have the basis for a solid HT front three.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: De mon on October 24, 2011, 08:49
Agreed. But 805s is hard to come by.  ::)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Lorenzo on October 24, 2011, 08:59
BTW there are some older 8 series speakers lurking around BNIB, so if you chance upon one, grab it! They are very serious sound, eg, the 805s is still IMO one of the best speakers under 5k. If you find a matching centre, run out and get it, and you will have the basis for a solid HT front three.

bro where can i find this? hehe not locally rite? thanks
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on October 24, 2011, 09:07
bro where can i find this? hehe not locally rite? thanks
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Ask around, anyway there are also fine used examples. IMO a used one if well maintained is also fine. The gap to the new diamonds is a tad wide, unless your pocket is big.

KEC has a showroom piece with a dented tweeter, that can be fixed easily with a new one.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Lorenzo on October 24, 2011, 09:54
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Ask around, anyway there are also fine used examples. IMO a used one if well maintained is also fine. The gap to the new diamonds is a tad wide, unless your pocket is big.

KEC has a showroom piece with a dented tweeter, that can be fixed easily with a new one.

icic thanks thanks hehe
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: ootg on October 24, 2011, 10:13
Anyone tried the b&w c5 earphones? Any reviews? Available locally?
The earphones are available from the Apple Online Store for $330. Haven't seen it anywhere yet.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: RAYRAY on October 27, 2011, 22:28
Hi Guys,

I listened mostly to Vocal, hence, prefer warm and toner sound.
Currently using Creek Destiny to drive the 603S2.
Moving to a smaller room on my setup, I am thinking it's worth changing 603S2 to either PM1 or CM1 (room size around 3m x 4m).
If PM1 or CM1 is the way to go, will the Creek with 100Wpc into 8 ohms (both channels driven) be able to drive the PM1 or CM1?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on October 28, 2011, 06:24
Hi Guys,

I listened mostly to Vocal, hence, prefer warm and toner sound.
Currently using Creek Destiny to drive the 603S2.
Moving to a smaller room on my setup, I am thinking it's worth changing 603S2 to either PM1 or CM1 (room size around 3m x 4m).
If PM1 or CM1 is the way to go, will the Creek with 100Wpc into 8 ohms (both channels driven) be able to drive the PM1 or CM1?

You don't have a big room, and you don't listen to head banging volumes, so the Creek sound suffice. But later on, you can always consider a bigger amp. IMHO, make the leap to the highest model you can afford, or aim for a 2nd hand 805s example, which should be less than 3.5k these days.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: RAYRAY on October 28, 2011, 13:18
Hi Peter,
Thanks for the advice.
If I am keen to move into bookshelf since I am going to have a smaller room, I doubt on the 805s diamond series. I am thinking/leaning more towards PM1.
Just a question, I do not see any pairing of LFD Int Amp with B&W speakers, is it a good match?
My dreaming was getting a Classe Int Amp, but, it's just overpriced.

You don't have a big room, and you don't listen to head banging volumes, so the Creek sound suffice. But later on, you can always consider a bigger amp. IMHO, make the leap to the highest model you can afford, or aim for a 2nd hand 805s example, which should be less than 3.5k these days.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on October 31, 2011, 23:32
Hi Peter,
Thanks for the advice.
If I am keen to move into bookshelf since I am going to have a smaller room, I doubt on the 805s diamond series. I am thinking/leaning more towards PM1.
Just a question, I do not see any pairing of LFD Int Amp with B&W speakers, is it a good match?
My dreaming was getting a Classe Int Amp, but, it's just overpriced.

Bro you need to audition for yourself.
I see you have set up a new thread, which will give you ideas, but ultimately your ears will be the judge.
The PM 1 is worth considering, just compare it in price to the rest of your options. If bass is not an issue, the PM1 is a possibility, but it will probably exceed your budget, check with Experts on the price.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: RAYRAY on November 01, 2011, 10:29
Hi Pete,

Thanks for the advice and the hint on the price.
Thanks for your recomendation on 805s, if I have a bigger room (as you knew, will move to a smaller room), I will definitely "hunt" for it
Will check with Experts group on the PM1 price.

Bro you need to audition for yourself.
I see you have set up a new thread, which will give you ideas, but ultimately your ears will be the judge.
The PM 1 is worth considering, just compare it in price to the rest of your options. If bass is not an issue, the PM1 is a possibility, but it will probably exceed your budget, check with Experts on the price.

Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: LTTan on November 01, 2011, 13:46
I would go for CM instead of PM for vocal.
Reason:
1) Cheaper
2) Vocal is sharper/detail
3) Just nice for your room size

PM series is better in term of bass. Small but bass is huge as compare to CM; Try some pure vocal & some dance tracks & u will hear the diff.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: virtueblue on November 01, 2011, 14:48
Hi Pete,

Thanks for the advice and the hint on the price.
Thanks for your recomendation on 805s, if I have a bigger room (as you knew, will move to a smaller room), I will definitely "hunt" for it
Will check with Experts group on the PM1 price.

PM1 is about $4k without stands. IMHO try to go for a pair of 805S rather than PM1. personally I owned a pair of 805S and I heard the PM1 as well. I would say PM1 is close and sounds very good for it's size but 805S still edged out.

If you are going for looks then PM1 is a good choice for you but performance wise 805S is the one to go for. My room size is even smaller than yours and my listening distance is close. I have forum bro coming over to my place and commented that he is listening in a concert hall.

I know that you are searching for a pair of bookshelf from another thread, but I think you should give 805S a listen before you make a decision. There's a special characteristic from B&W that makes me like this pair of bookshelf very much. You are welcome to audition the 805S at my place if you want to.

Cheers
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: RAYRAY on November 01, 2011, 16:33
Hi.

Thanks for the advice.

Thanks for the audition offer. Tempted to go for it and will let you know.
Sorry, I really made a mistake without checking the 805s, I thought it was floorstanding. My apology to Pete.
I really doubt it to get a pair of 805s soon since some of the guys may be looking for it too.
I cannot wait forever......unless someone want to let go his beloved 805s, please let me know. Thanks.

PM1 is about $4k without stands. IMHO try to go for a pair of 805S rather than PM1. personally I owned a pair of 805S and I heard the PM1 as well. I would say PM1 is close and sounds very good for it's size but 805S still edged out.

If you are going for looks then PM1 is a good choice for you but performance wise 805S is the one to go for. My room size is even smaller than yours and my listening distance is close. I have forum bro coming over to my place and commented that he is listening in a concert hall.

I know that you are searching for a pair of bookshelf from another thread, but I think you should give 805S a listen before you make a decision. There's a special characteristic from B&W that makes me like this pair of bookshelf very much. You are welcome to audition the 805S at my place if you want to.

Cheers
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: zaek on November 01, 2011, 16:48
For your info, I am currently using B&W 805n and imho (to my ears), the 800 series is definitely better than the PM1.

I could imagine 805s is way better than my 805n (since it is an improved version after all).  So, I suggest putting in effort and patient to source for 805s (provided you like B&W sound signature). Definitely worth it!

 ;D
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: LTTan on November 01, 2011, 16:57
Hi.

Thanks for the advice.

Thanks for the audition offer. Tempted to go for it and will let you know.
Sorry, I really made a mistake without checking the 805s, I thought it was floorstanding. My apology to Pete.

I really doubt it to get a pair of 805s soon since some of the guys may be looking for it too.
I cannot wait forever......unless someone want to let go his beloved 805s, please let me know. Thanks.

Saw a demo 805s at kec. Can go & c if still there.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on November 01, 2011, 17:05
Saw a demo 805s at kec. Can go & c if still there.
The tweeter is dented, but you can buy the pair and repair it...
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: RAYRAY on November 01, 2011, 17:16
Hi Pete,
Thanks.
I will visit Adelphi later on to listen Spendor SA-1.
Will visit KEC, may I know it's ground floor or level 4?
I am not an electronic guy, how to purchase the tweeter and can replace it by naive guy like me?

The tweeter is dented, but you can buy the pair and repair it...
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: RAYRAY on November 01, 2011, 17:36
I just called up KEC.
The B&W 805s is sold.
Please take note of it. :)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on November 01, 2011, 18:26
The older 8 series is very popular... I managed to buy a new HTM 4s not longer ago... that is another highly sought after item. It was a chance find and you don't walk, you run to it with your check book...
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: RAYRAY on November 01, 2011, 22:38
Now, I am learning to run too.
like I mentioned earlier, anyone want to let go of your beloved 805s or 805n, let me know.
Thanks.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: virtueblue on November 01, 2011, 23:19
Now, I am learning to run too.
like I mentioned earlier, anyone want to let go of your beloved 805s or 805n, let me know.
Thanks.

I seriously doubt anyone will let go their 805S, you may be lucky though. Alternatively you may want to look at either the eBay or audiogon.com

For US eBay or audiogon you can look for Peter Seow at echoloft forum to ship them back for you. Otherwise if you found a pair at UK eBay that suits you, you can pm me, I will teach you how to ship back to Singapore.

Cheers
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: RAYRAY on November 02, 2011, 10:24
Thank you.
If I do not find 805s or 805n soon, I had make up my mind on the alternatives.

I seriously doubt anyone will let go their 805S, you may be lucky though. Alternatively you may want to look at either the eBay or audiogon.com

For US eBay or audiogon you can look for Peter Seow at echoloft forum to ship them back for you. Otherwise if you found a pair at UK eBay that suits you, you can pm me, I will teach you how to ship back to Singapore.

Cheers
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: lowkenny on November 02, 2011, 15:00
Hi All,

Just dropping by to let you guy's know that the B&W PM1 has won the Best Product Of The Year 2011 in What HiFi.  :D

Also not to forget that the B&W CM9 Home Theater Setup also has won the Best Product Of The Year 2011 in What HiFi as well.  :D

For those who are interested to have an audition on these speakers,  you can just feel free to call us up to make an appointment for that.  ;)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: HDTV_noobie on January 06, 2012, 14:30
Just send in my 805S recently for service and had just bought a pair of CM1 today :).
Will move the CM1 to surrounds when 805S is back.

Running in the CM1 now and find that it's no slacker even on initial hook-up!
Expect more when it's done at least 40 hrs of run-in :D.

Generally happy with services by Hanafi, Kenny and Rashid (Jason too!) from TEG.
My experience with them have been very positive and good.
Best of all, they're very approachable and pricing-wise pretty competitive as well :).
(This is the bugbear which most forummers have with TEG, CM1 is pretty competitive!)

BTW, I'm not affiliated or related to TEG in any way, just want to share my experience for the benefits of forummers
if you're looking for B&W products.  You can also visit E77 at Adelphi which is pretty good too.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on January 06, 2012, 14:47
What's wrong with your 805s?
 
 
Maybe you want to look for a HTM4s to pair with the 805s?

Anyway for those looking for amps to pair with their B/W.

Classe, MF, and other neutral but powerful amps are quite fine. If you are willing to spend on these speakers, don't scrimp on the amp.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Lpang on January 06, 2012, 15:24
Hi Peter,

Would the amps you mentioned above (Classe, MF, etc) be also applicable for the CM5? Bought a pair of them recently, and now shopping for an integrated amp to go with them.

I was thinking of getting the NAD 356BEE or 375BEE (my budget about 2k), but I'm wondering if there are better matching integrated amps I should consider listening to?

 
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on January 06, 2012, 15:31
Welcome to XP
The most important thing to do is AUDITION - see the thread on buying in the HT section.
Most amps will suit the warm to neutral nature of B/W speakers, but you and only you yourself will know the kind of sound you are after.

For example, fans of Focal and JM Lab will not be too impressed with the kind of highs that B/W can get.

You like the Cm1? Then buy it and bring it to a shop with the amp you are eyeing and audition it there.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Lpang on January 06, 2012, 15:40
ok. thanks for the advise. ;D
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on January 07, 2012, 07:37
You may also want to consider 2nd hand for better value.. Eg MF amps match well and may fit your budget. Look for the MF A5.5 or 3.5. Powerful good quality amps which will last.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Lpang on January 07, 2012, 08:42
Great. Ok will go have a listen.

Any other suggestions besides MF?  :)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: zaek on January 07, 2012, 10:44
Just send in my 805S recently for service and had just bought a pair of CM1 today :).
Will move the CM1 to surrounds when 805S is back.

What's wrong with your 805s?

Hi, may i know if it is necessary to send our B&W speaker for servicing (maintenance check?).
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Lorenzo on January 07, 2012, 11:37
Hi, may i know if it is necessary to send our B&W speaker for servicing (maintenance check?).

If it's not spoilt, don't fix it haha. it's always my theory.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: zaek on January 07, 2012, 13:32
If it's not spoilt, don't fix it haha. it's always my theory.

Thanks! Can save money this way. ;D
Initially, I thought speakers need maintenance like car! hahah
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Lorenzo on January 07, 2012, 13:49
Thanks! Can save money this way. ;D
Initially, I thought speakers need maintenance like car! hahah

i think  maintenance wise can buy those solution to clean ur speaker terminals and use the dust wiper to wipe off any dust on ur speakers baz. other than tt there's nothing much u can do unless u open the speaker up haha
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on January 08, 2012, 09:30
The 805s is a superb speaker. If you get a good used example for a good price, it will serve you well..
Looks like we have plenty of 805s owners here...
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: chanfm on January 08, 2012, 10:21
The 805s is a superb speaker. If you get a good used example for a good price, it will serve you well..
Looks like we have plenty of 805s owners here...


There is a pair up for sale in the sales threads.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: HDTV_noobie on January 08, 2012, 13:30
What's wrong with your 805s?

Maybe you want to look for a HTM4s to pair with the 805s?
Oops, didn't realize got a thread following my comments.  805s had problem with one of the crossover and driver.
Suspect it might have been transient or surge which damaged it.  Recommended to replace the other driver as well.
So had both speakers sent in for service.  In essence, I'll be getting a new "805S" with new bass units :).

Was looking for HTM4 but in the end decided that I don't have the space for it and settled on Focal SiB instead.

Like Lorenzo said, if it ain't broken, don't fix it.  Don't need any periodic maintenance other the external cleaning :)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on January 08, 2012, 13:47
How do you know there was an issue?
Is it expensive to repair?

Anyway I hope the new Diamond ones drop more in price,then more members will enjoy the magical sound.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: zaek on January 08, 2012, 14:24
How do you know there was an issue?
Is it expensive to repair?

Anyway I hope the new Diamond ones drop more in price,then more members will enjoy the magical sound.

Will that ever be possible? drop in pricing? hmm..
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: HDTV_noobie on January 08, 2012, 18:52
How do you know there was an issue?
Is it expensive to repair?

Anyway I hope the new Diamond ones drop more in price,then more members will enjoy the magical sound.
Initially the bass unit became softer and eventually no volume at all. Only sound coming out from the tweeter :(
Got a quote from TEG and after negotiation quite happy with the pricing (it's reasonable) :).

Yeah, then it might be time to upgrade :).
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: HDTV_noobie on January 08, 2012, 18:54
Will that ever be possible? drop in pricing? hmm..
Really doubt it.  They've to protect their existing customer and likely to keep the premium pricing.
At the same time, it helps us to maintain high resale value on our existing sets :).
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on January 08, 2012, 22:00
Really doubt it.  They've to protect their existing customer and likely to keep the premium pricing.
At the same time, it helps us to maintain high resale value on our existing sets :).
It's a drop or an intermediate model - hence the birth of the PM1.
They are learning from the MA model. Take parts from the older, higher end series, place it in a lower end model, tweak it and call it a new model :)

If the PM1 adds a centre, it can be a decent music / HT setup.

But that's why the older 805s was such a popular speaker. It gave budget buyers a true taste of the high end.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: alvy on January 09, 2012, 09:40
Hi,

I've been lurking in the background reading all this while the wonderful things with B&W 805s, finally, thanks to a cool forum dude here (thank you!! you know who you are), i got myself a 805s yesterday!! i'm a very satisfied owner after my whole night of listening to this amazing speaker. small as it is physically, huge in sonic delivery when compared to my current active bookshelf speaker as well as my age old heco floorstander! As it is a pre-owned unit, there are very little cosmetic flaws to one of the tweeter housing which is totally unaffecting the sonic performance. I'm wondering if TEG can sell replacement parts such as the tweeter plastic housing (part no: MM02136)  as I'm quite anal to cosmetic finishings?

thank you all!
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on January 09, 2012, 09:52
Welcome to the club...
It isn't my aim to drum up support for them... it's simply a good speaker which comes in at a good point value now. Not something you can say of all B/W speakers, but at the going rate now, it's still holding it's own.
That's why I bought a new HTM4s which is still lying in the box whilst I do up my system.

You can easily call TEG and find out and let us know the answers.

Good to see new owners.... I hate to listen to echoes of my own voice here and we don't want this to become merely a TCSS forum of past owners patting ourselves on the back on our purchases.

As a pre-owned speaker, it won't need running in, so enjoy it. Also it doesnt have the FST cone unlike the bigger speakers, which has this foam surround, which can be an issue in our climate. So the Kevlar cone will last for a long time to come, unless the previous owner has abused it.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: alvy on January 09, 2012, 10:00
Kudos to the previous owner, the bass unit is impeccable! actually, my bro's going to states for a couple of weeks, this is my other option:
http://bwgroup-support.com/partslist.html (http://bwgroup-support.com/partslist.html)

and just fill up a consumer form with the serial no of speaker + part no of parts to be ordered:
http://bwgroup-support.com/forms.html (http://bwgroup-support.com/forms.html)
i heard shipping is just a couple of days!

i can buy anything for the 805s except the timber cabinet! full tweeter assembly is only USD260 (the housing is only 40+bucks), plus they have the service manual to instruct you on replacing anything! but if TEG offers such replacement parts at reasonable price, heck i'll definitely buy locally!
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on January 09, 2012, 10:06
See what TEG charges, I will be keen to know the difference, I may want to "tompang" a pair of tweeters from you if you are buying stateside...
These are the ones which tend to get poked...

Right now, mine are 10/10, and I am contemplating moving them over to the HT system, add the HTM4s, but I will need a replacement for them from some other makers for my stereo system...

If you are using them in HT... they will also give you lots of fun...
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Lorenzo on January 09, 2012, 10:23
Hi,

I've been lurking in the background reading all this while the wonderful things with B&W 805s, finally, thanks to a cool forum dude here (thank you!! you know who you are), i got myself a 805s yesterday!! i'm a very satisfied owner after my whole night of listening to this amazing speaker. small as it is physically, huge in sonic delivery when compared to my current active bookshelf speaker as well as my age old heco floorstander! As it is a pre-owned unit, there are very little cosmetic flaws to one of the tweeter housing which is totally unaffecting the sonic performance. I'm wondering if TEG can sell replacement parts such as the tweeter plastic housing (part no: MM02136)  as I'm quite anal to cosmetic finishings?

thank you all!

congrats bro. guess u  bought it from virtueblue. Welcome to the B&W club! haha

Enjoy listening!
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: HDTV_noobie on January 09, 2012, 11:13
Hi,

I've been lurking in the background reading all this while the wonderful things with B&W 805s, finally, thanks to a cool forum dude here (thank you!! you know who you are), i got myself a 805s yesterday!! i'm a very satisfied owner after my whole night of listening to this amazing speaker. small as it is physically, huge in sonic delivery when compared to my current active bookshelf speaker as well as my age old heco floorstander! As it is a pre-owned unit, there are very little cosmetic flaws to one of the tweeter housing which is totally unaffecting the sonic performance. I'm wondering if TEG can sell replacement parts such as the tweeter plastic housing (part no: MM02136)  as I'm quite anal to cosmetic finishings?

thank you all!
Welcome to the club!  Yes, you can approach TEG.  They're ordering some spares for me and I'm sure they'll do it for you as well.
Just be prepared for some admin charges or possibly replacement charge :).  Talk to them and use your negotiation skills :D
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: HDTV_noobie on January 09, 2012, 11:15
Welcome to the club...
It isn't my aim to drum up support for them... it's simply a good speaker which comes in at a good point value now. Not something you can say of all B/W speakers, but at the going rate now, it's still holding it's own.
That's why I bought a new HTM4s which is still lying in the box whilst I do up my system.

I can run in your new HTM4s while you do up your system :D
No wonder you're asking me if I've considered getting the HTM4s :).
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on January 09, 2012, 12:45
I can run in your new HTM4s while you do up your system :D
No wonder you're asking me if I've considered getting the HTM4s :).
I can help you buy a bnib htm 4... Won't be cheap though... Under 3k
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: RickEC on January 09, 2012, 13:44
May I ask if there is any 12" (1 feet) speaker stand available for sale, for my B&W602s3? Can recommend 1 or 2 shops for me to go view? Thanks.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: zaek on January 09, 2012, 13:55
Kudos to the previous owner, the bass unit is impeccable! actually, my bro's going to states for a couple of weeks, this is my other option:
http://bwgroup-support.com/partslist.html (http://bwgroup-support.com/partslist.html)

and just fill up a consumer form with the serial no of speaker + part no of parts to be ordered:
http://bwgroup-support.com/forms.html (http://bwgroup-support.com/forms.html)
i heard shipping is just a couple of days!

i can buy anything for the 805s except the timber cabinet! full tweeter assembly is only USD260 (the housing is only 40+bucks), plus they have the service manual to instruct you on replacing anything! but if TEG offers such replacement parts at reasonable price, heck i'll definitely buy locally!

I wonder if I can buy the 805s parts and turn my 805N to 805s?? hahha..just curious.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on January 09, 2012, 14:00
May I ask if there is any 12" (1 feet) speaker stand available for sale, for my B&W602s3? Can recommend 1 or 2 shops for me to go view? Thanks.
Go to Adelphi. Look for the shop that sells Atacama stands.
Electrades...
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: RickEC on January 09, 2012, 14:13
Go to Adelphi. Look for the shop that sells Atacama stands.
Electrades...

Thank you very much Bro. I think my 602s3 is entry level, but hope it curbs my spending for a good long while.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: alvy on January 09, 2012, 17:02
I wonder if I can buy the 805s parts and turn my 805N to 805s?? hahha..just curious.

Well i did thought of that. Get the cross over, tweeter and bass and swap right? but problem is, in order to buy a replacement part, you need to submit your speaker's serial no and other info. maybe you can "borrow" a friend's 805d's serial no and buy? hahaha.. but a single tweeter assembly is USD1.4k++ so 2 will be 2.9k the bass will be another 500++. so in all you are clocking close to 4k. Might as well buy a brand new one at 5k USD and ship back? local pricing is a bit unbearable.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: HDTV_noobie on January 09, 2012, 18:08
I wonder if I can buy the 805s parts and turn my 805N to 805s?? hahha..just curious.
I also want to change my 805s to 805D :).  I asked but TEG said cannot...
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Lorenzo on January 09, 2012, 19:32
I also want to change my 805s to 805D :).  I asked but TEG said cannot...

can be done bro. buy the tweeter, ask someone else to change. but den u gtta take note the cross over have to change as well.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: HDTV_noobie on January 09, 2012, 19:50
can be done bro. buy the tweeter, ask someone else to change. but den u gtta take note the cross over have to change as well.
Saw the part list as well but decided that not worth to upgrade at the moment (2xtweeter & 2xcrossover). 
Like Alvy said, better to get new 805D :)

Oh, one more thing - TEG will replaced the part and not allow you to keep the spare!  Same thing when I replaced my bass unit.
Though the other unit is still good, they'll take it in and replaced with new one - you can't keep it.  They claimed it's B&W policy to take in.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Lorenzo on January 09, 2012, 19:53
Saw the part list as well but decided that not worth to upgrade at the moment (2xtweeter & 2xcrossover). 
Like Alvy said, better to get new 805D :)

yea. if worth it then their marketing dept can close down alrdy cuz everyone will buy the S and replace it with Ds parts haha.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: HDTV_noobie on January 09, 2012, 19:56
yea. if worth it then their marketing dept can close down alrdy cuz everyone will buy the S and replace it with Ds parts haha.
Yeah.. just updated my earlier post on replacement policy on parts - it's one-on-one replacement, you can't keep the old parts. :)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on January 09, 2012, 20:05
Obviously it's not that simple guys...
Otherwise who will pay so much for a new 805D.

Enjoy your 805s. Keep it in good shape and enjoy...
Just upgraded my speaker cables to Audioquest CV2...
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: zaek on January 09, 2012, 20:06
icic, thanks for all the reply. ;D just pondering only. haha
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: virtueblue on January 09, 2012, 21:31
Indeed Bro alvy really got from me and in fact it's quite painful to part my B&W 805S if not due to upgrading my speakers. Enjoy your new speakers bro...

They had served me well for some time. Hope that it will now serve you better. All the best  ;)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: alvy on January 10, 2012, 00:33
thanks again vb! i do hope my neighbours enjoy it as much as i do for the past couple of hours! haha....i'm having a blast playing with the speaker placement which affects the spread of the positions of instruments in the soundstage for acoustic pieces. For vocal pieces, i get consistent center placement of the singers and very realistic impression of them delivering the songs live above my tv console, slightly behind the speaker axis. general impression is the overall very slight tinge of warmth from mids to low. The details such as plucking of strings, nuances in various percussion instruments and the ending portion of vocals (dunno how to describe, but somewhat like the slight sibilance at the end of certain lyrics), especially from female artists are all audible! yes, i was playing at a relatively loud level to inspect the audible details which i normally can hear with my senheisser-phonitor headphone rig.

not trying to be rude, so bro VB please do not misunderstand my intention. Frankly speaking, i'm trying to find faults with the speaker as a pre-own unit, but like i say, besides the slight cosmetic flaw with the tweeter housing which can easily be replaced cheaply, i cannot find anything else in my knowledge that revealed adverse sonic performance. I even place my ears right beside the bass and tweeter drivers to listen for any static or incoherency during active playback and silent playblack that could be caused by a faulty crossover circuit or overdriven drivers, but none! I double checked on vocal and instrument placements in the soundstage (with my headphone rig of course) that can suggest an unbalanced drivers for the tweeters or bass. no issues with stability and placement.
i count myself very lucky to have gotten this set from bro vb as this is someone who is genuinely letting go of a priced and treasured speaker unit.
felt really high for the whole day knowing i can come home in evening to enjoy some great music. but being an anal person especially with equipment cosmetics, i will replace the tweeter housing or even the entire tweeter unit depending on availability of the parts.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: chanfm on January 10, 2012, 07:28
Obviously it's not that simple guys...
Otherwise who will pay so much for a new 805D.

Enjoy your 805s. Keep it in good shape and enjoy...
Just upgraded my speaker cables to Audioquest CV2...



Pete,



Please do let us know whether the Audioquest CV2 upgrade matches the 805S whenever you have time....
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on January 10, 2012, 07:37
the cv 2 are pretty ok on initial listening.
The anti cables are leaner in sound. I think the 805s can do better with upgrades like this.
My dad is the main person using them. Don't think he minds at all...



Pete,



Please do let us know whether the Audioquest CV2 upgrade matches the 805S whenever you have time....
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: HDTV_noobie on January 10, 2012, 09:28
I can help you buy a bnib htm 4... Won't be cheap though... Under 3k
Since when is B&W cheap? :)

Just saw a used "perfect condition" HTM4s going for US$1,200 in Audiogon if anyone is interested.
Of course you do take some risks buying from overseas.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: HDTV_noobie on January 10, 2012, 09:33
Just upgraded my speaker cables to Audioquest CV2...
quite happy with my 2 pairs of CV8 bi-amping the speakers :)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: alvy on January 10, 2012, 14:28
Since I just got the speakers, let me start some simple tweaks 1st. The original FS805 stands are hollow, will there be any performance improvement if i fill them up with some materials? What materials are recommended (i prefer not SAND!) and how much to fill?

thanks
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on January 10, 2012, 15:07
Electrodes sells atabites. Or you can buy silver sand from them. Go to Adelphi and enquire.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: hermanL on January 12, 2012, 15:15
Hi Guys,
i am a bit paiseh to post because you guys use 800 series speakers while i finally take my first small step to buy 2nd B&W 686 speakers with stand. I always feel i will never spend 1K to buy L R speakers since 80% i am for gaming and movies. Recently I felt that my old Mission M74 floor standers really not so full bodied, warm in sound and when listening to music, the highs really make my ear fatigue..(pardon me as i can't descrive sound as well as u guys)

So fates brought a nice seller to sell me 686 speakers at good price so I took the plunge at last though many bro ask me to buy CM1 instead hahaha. I later then realise CM1 is only 1.2K... sigh..No choice hee. Ok Guys even with such entry level 686 speakers immediately all my CDs sounded different..very natural, detailed and warm and i listen 2 hours straight.. I am totally impressed! The metal cymbals and ting sound is so realistic...But when I turn to movies...it sounded very different from the sharp M74 and like lost the excitment in sound... Its bass is better and nicer than my floorstander...I am not sure how to describe...My 4mx3m room is acoustically treated..

I am using very entry level stuff - normal cheap dvd player, old non hdmi 80watt onkyo 7.1 amp, SVS sub.

I dont feel like getting dedicated stereo amp or two sets of speakers... I just hope to rely on one clean simple setup..I was wondering those current 3D HDMI amps at $1k will make B&W sounded better for movie?

Which brand should i try -
I gather that onkyo is a more for movie, denon is for mix, yamaha more for music.. what about Marantz? Thanks guys for your advise. Nonetheless I never regret buying this 686.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: naglfar on January 12, 2012, 17:18
Bro if your AV had a pre-out, you might wanna try adding a power amp to the chain. It might open up the sound more. Getting something beefy, like an Emotiva  XPA-2, or a pair of UPA-1. I am recommending Emotiva because it's more affordable as compared to the other similar power amps. 
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: HDTV_noobie on January 12, 2012, 23:02
Hi Guys,
i am a bit paiseh to post because you guys use 800 series speakers while i finally take my first small step to buy 2nd B&W 686 speakers with stand. I always feel i will never spend 1K to buy L R speakers since 80% i am for gaming and movies. Recently I felt that my old Mission M74 floor standers really not so full bodied, warm in sound and when listening to music, the highs really make my ear fatigue..(pardon me as i can't descrive sound as well as u guys)

...cut

I dont feel like getting dedicated stereo amp or two sets of speakers... I just hope to rely on one clean simple setup..I was wondering those current 3D HDMI amps at $1k will make B&W sounded better for movie?

Which brand should i try -
I gather that onkyo is a more for movie, denon is for mix, yamaha more for music.. what about Marantz? Thanks guys for your advise. Nonetheless I never regret buying this 686.
Bro, welcome to the club.  It doesn't matter what series or what range you buy as long as it's B&W you are entitled to, like everyone else, to express yourself and your opinion as an owner.  Having 800 series does not make our voice louder :).

I was actually comtemplating the 600 series as a backup speakers and was recommended the CM series instead.
They made me an offer which I can't refuse and thus ended up with CM1 :).

I had the Marantz SR7005 for less than a year before selling it recently.  I'd probably say that it's mix - it's musical and no laggard for movies as well.
It ran cool much like Denon and Yamaha (as I've the Onkyo just before the Marantz).  For your setup & budget, I think a Marantz would be nice.
I sold it because I wanted more power :D and features (XT32 and possibly LFC).  Think new is going for S$1.3k or so.

At the end of the day, you make a decision whether you like it or not after auditioning it cos we all have different preferences and tastes.

Bro Naglfar is right as well.  Marantz SR7005 does have pre-outs for power amps if you should decide to upgrade and it does open up your sound further.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: hermanL on January 13, 2012, 10:36
Hi Nagflar and HDTV bro,
thanks for your encouraging advice.. I see many bro use power amp emotiva.. roughly how much is one.. buy one is enough or must buy two.. I seen some bros use two right? Wow i feel it is very hardcored to use power amp because i always feel it is more for stereo music n not for movie.. What is the meaning of "open up the sound more"? More sound staging is it?

I hope to ask is it since B&W is always warm and natural, does it means only the high end series can provide the excitment and punch for movies? Or maybe is there any AV AMP that is more suited to pair with B&W speakers for movies? Thanks again for all my newbie question..Seems like Marantz amp not bad...ah.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: texas5 on January 13, 2012, 16:22
Hi All, Hi HermanL,

I got the Yammy RXV 765 from a bro here for my cheapo HT set-up and i hook it with my Rotel RCD and my CM5 running on an Audioquest pair, toed about 15-20-deg AND surprisingly :o better sounding..hmm .. my ears telling the truth!!
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: LTTan on January 13, 2012, 22:36
Hi hermanL, based on description of your avr amp it must be more than 5yrs. Personally, upgrade the avr will provide u more excitement. Look for avr that is able to perform speakers calibration (ie: Audessey XT) in addition it must support Dolby trueHD & DTS HD master these are bluray surround sound format. 80% movie,  I would get onkyo 709. Should b ard 1.3k. Pls audit yourself.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on January 14, 2012, 11:00
Welcome to the club Herman.
I have previously posted in the buying thread on the kind of specs I want in a modern av Amp. Given that you want  a HT setup, most of the three brands will do.
Study their features price and look at what you want then Audition!
You can't just get opinions. Each one of us has different tastes.

Good luck and start looking for the centre. Of the two in the same series I would advise buying the larger one. You wont regret that.
Do it once do it good.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: westendboy on January 14, 2012, 11:08
Hi hermanL, ... Pls audit yourself.

Can't help it. This is so funny it made my day  ;D
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: hermanL on January 14, 2012, 16:08
Hi guys tks I know the impt of go audition la but sometime the shop don't pair w our ideal speaker hard to tell ma. But lttan ya I narrow down to 709 onkyo indeed! Thanks guy for all advise
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: naglfar on January 14, 2012, 16:17
Can't help it. This is so funny it made my day  ;D

Yeah quite a few folks here use 'audit' as the verb to 'audition'. The 2 verbs do have different meanings :)

Sorry for the OT...it's webby's fault!
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: LTTan on January 14, 2012, 22:03
Ya. No prob. Thks for your correction. Send thru' hp never check la. 

Hi hermanL, do perform the audessey auto calibration follow by a manual tune on the crossover & volume setting when u got your new toy.  U will be surprised with the movie sq.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on January 29, 2012, 13:11
Herman
Someone is letting go a very good amp and also B/W centre speakers. You should consider them. Much better sq than the 709..
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: richieleo on February 01, 2012, 14:41
Just paid for a pair of CM8s. But damn...have to wait till Feb 8 for delivery....  :-[
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on February 01, 2012, 14:43
Welcome to the club...
Drive them well, they deserve more... you will find that a better amp will give more juice and more rewards...
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: richieleo on February 01, 2012, 14:48
Welcome to the club...
Drive them well, they deserve more... you will find that a better amp will give more juice and more rewards...

Thanks! Yeah...will be driving them with my current Yamaha AVR. I moved from a 5.1 to a 2.1 system. I was thinking of changing the amp but decided to wait a bit and get the speakers first. :)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: travelfotografer on February 01, 2012, 15:00
That's actually fast, and probably because they are in stock.

I waited over 6 weeks for my 804D as they were not in stock when I ordered.

Enjoy your new CM8s. What finish did you choose? Looks stunning!

-Leon

Just paid for a pair of CM8s. But damn...have to wait till Feb 8 for delivery....  :-[
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: richieleo on February 01, 2012, 15:02
That's actually fast, and probably because they are in stock.

I waited over 6 weeks for my 804D as they were not in stock when I ordered.

Enjoy your new CM8s. What finish did you choose? Looks stunning!

-Leon


Gloss black. Heh...the only one that looks good in my view...
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: travelfotografer on February 01, 2012, 15:06
stunning... looks as good as it sounds  :D

Gloss black. Heh...the only one that looks good in my view...
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: richieleo on February 01, 2012, 15:09
stunning... looks as good as it sounds  :D


Not as good as your 804s. hahah
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: travelfotografer on February 01, 2012, 15:15
Many factors goes into how the final system sounds. Some setups cost $$$ but sound like $; some cost $$$ but sound like $$$$$  :o

We all strive for the later, right? Give your CM8 space to breath and they will sing!  :D

Not as good as your 804s. hahah
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on February 08, 2012, 08:56
Just a FYI..
There are a few "805" speakers on sale now.. Note that the Nautilus series is older, i.e. more than five years easily..
The last series was the S series with the aluminum tweeter, and that's a real gem...
Caveat emptor..
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Lorenzo on February 08, 2012, 09:06
Just paid for a pair of CM8s. But damn...have to wait till Feb 8 for delivery....  :-[


welcome to the club bro. rmb to post some pics to share haha
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: richieleo on February 08, 2012, 09:49
Just a FYI..
There are a few "805" speakers on sale now.. Note that the Nautilus series is older, i.e. more than five years easily..
The last series was the S series with the aluminum tweeter, and that's a real gem...
Caveat emptor..

Anyone compared the 805S (that's the one without the diamond tweeter right?) with the new PM1s? I was so tempted to get the PM1s instead of the CM8s (which incidently I am taking delivery of TODAY!!) but decided that have some base via the CM8s might be better since I might use them for watching movies (moved from a 5.1 to 2.1 system).
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Lorenzo on February 08, 2012, 10:20
Anyone compared the 805S (that's the one without the diamond tweeter right?) with the new PM1s? I was so tempted to get the PM1s instead of the CM8s (which incidently I am taking delivery of TODAY!!) but decided that have some base via the CM8s might be better since I might use them for watching movies (moved from a 5.1 to 2.1 system).


I'm a person for floorstanders if your room allows it.  You will always miss the xtra punch or lows when comparing a bookshelf against a floorstander no matter how gd the bookshelf is.  It's just pure physics. More drivers, bigger cabinets.  But den again, floorstanders might boom due to space constraint and without room treatment compared to bookshelf if you are staying in a pigeon hole like me haha
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on February 08, 2012, 10:22
Anyone compared the 805S (that's the one without the diamond tweeter right?) with the new PM1s? I was so tempted to get the PM1s instead of the CM8s (which incidently I am taking delivery of TODAY!!) but decided that have some base via the CM8s might be better since I might use them for watching movies (moved from a 5.1 to 2.1 system).

you can buy the pm1 and bring it over.. Back in two weeks the 805 has some decent mid bass.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: richieleo on February 08, 2012, 14:24
you can buy the pm1 and bring it over.. Back in two weeks the 805 has some decent mid bass.

Dude...I already bought the CM8s I listened to both and I have to say that the PM1s mids were clearer. Still I went with the CM8s for the a more rounded sound. Heh...anyways...my speakers will be delivered shortly so buying the PM1s now is not an option. :)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: wuga98 on February 08, 2012, 14:50
a noob question, after reading the whole thread, what are the differences between 805D and 805S? Thanks
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Lorenzo on February 08, 2012, 15:15
a noob question, after reading the whole thread, what are the differences between 805D and 805S? Thanks
bro

the SQ will be slightly difference especially on the high side as the tweeter is diamond tweeter compared to the alu tweeter.  In addition, the cross-over is different as well.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: kzone on February 08, 2012, 16:04
is the 805D using diamond tweeter?
I came across some price list post with 80XD & 80XDi... wats the diff?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: lowkenny on February 08, 2012, 16:14
a noob question, after reading the whole thread, what are the differences between 805D and 805S? Thanks

Hi wuga98,

The main difference would be the the tweeter, the 805D would be using the quad magnet diamond tweeter. Extra magnets have been placed at the rear of the back plate.  As a result, the tweeter runs cooler, not to forget as the surround materials on tweeters, the soudn dispersion will be wider, which this will improves image stability.  Next they are using an improved crossovers as well.  And new speaker terminal links. :)

Finally, that would be the aesthetic. Most important would be the magnetic grilles, which leaves no holes in cabinets :), new glosss black finish, and also silver trimmings on the speakers as well. :)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: travelfotografer on February 08, 2012, 16:20
The current range is the 800 series Diamond, with 800D, 802D, 803D, 804D and 805D, all with diamond tweeters.

The previous range had a mixture of aluminium and diamond tweeters, thus there was a 802D, a 803D, a 803S, 804S (no D version) and 805S (no D version)

For this reason, people use "Di"or "D2" to indicate the current 800 series Diamond range, so it is clear if talking about a 803D (previous range) versus a 803Di or 803D2 (in fact, B&W uses the D2 notation in their test equipment). No such confusion for the 804 and 805 since only in the current range do they have diamond tweeters.

Others please correct me if I am wrong.

is the 805D using diamond tweeter?
I came across some price list post with 80XD & 80XDi... wats the diff?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: travelfotografer on February 08, 2012, 17:11
I was deciding between the 805D and 804D; the 805D really shines with vocals (mids), but like you, I went for a more rounded sound in the 804D as I listen to orchestral works too.

I listened to both and I have to say that the PM1s mids were clearer. Still I went with the CM8s for the a more rounded sound.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: lowkenny on February 08, 2012, 17:19
I was deciding between the 805D and 804D; the 805D really shines with vocals (mids), but like you, I went for a more rounded sound in the 804D as I listen to orchestral works too.


Hi travelfotographer and to all,

Just want to add in also that all B&W new 800 series Diamond, are using the new Dual magnet motor systems in the bass drivers, thus maintaning a more linear movement and it would have lesses distortion as well. In short it has a better bass performance. :)

Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on February 15, 2012, 08:05
(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x244/petetherock/Hi%20Fi/photo-32.jpg)
My friend's home... the older series... pity it is driven by the Marantz 8003 prep power only... It could certainly use a better power amp and even a better processor
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: t0tor0 on February 22, 2012, 11:03
hi guys,

anyone have any experience with the DB1 subwoofer? How does it pair up with the 805 bookshelves?

i am looking for a subwoofer to pair-up with the 805. Any suggestions here?

thnx!
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on February 22, 2012, 13:08
What are you trying to use it for?
HT or music? Budget?? hard to help if you are skimpy with your info?
The 805 is quite bassy already, but I have used velodyne 8&10" subs with good integration.
I still have a bnib 10" spl 1000r. Should be about $1500. Pm me if you are keen.

hi guys,

anyone have any experience with the DB1 subwoofer? How does it pair up with the 805 bookshelves?

i am looking for a subwoofer to pair-up with the 805. Any suggestions here?

thnx!
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: t0tor0 on February 22, 2012, 15:21
@petertherock

thanks for the reply.

mostly for music. i was using a floorstander in my room initially, then move it out to the living room and got a 805. I like the imaging as well as the transparency. it is great especially for late night listening. however, sometimes, i do feel that the bass is missing. thus, looking for one to complement it.

would 2 cheaper subs and running them as stereo be better then a DB1 alone?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on February 22, 2012, 15:27
The Velodyne is a small sealed sub - which is obviously better for music but will give decent bass.
Post your questions here instead of sending pm.

You have to find owners of the DB1 who have also tried cheaper subs - good luck on that.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: cktee on March 31, 2012, 12:42
Just bought a pair of used B&W603 S2. It sounds very balanced and warm with audiophile CDs. However, once I play vinyl, there are hissing sound coming out. I am currently using Music Hall MMF5 turntable and Cyrus III as phono stage.
Are these speakers very sensitive with bad recording especially vinyl ? Any bro play vinyl with these speakers could advise me where is the problem laying ?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on April 01, 2012, 08:01
I doubt if it is an issue with the speakers. Likely to be between the amp and turntable. You may want to post that as a question in a turntable place?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: YH on April 01, 2012, 08:16
Not sure how experience you are with vinyl but if your cartridge has a relatively low output and you have to turn up the volume in order to get a good volume, there will definitely be hiss.

May I ask what cartridge are you using?  I remembered (as I still have mine but not using) the Cyrus 3 only has a MM input (unlike the Cyrus 2 which has both MC and MM)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: cktee on April 01, 2012, 13:19
I am using a Ortofon 2M. The problem gone  after  i  swapped to another turntable with an unknown cartridge. Not sure what's wrong with previous setup.

Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on April 01, 2012, 20:26
I am using a Ortofon 2M. The problem gone  after  i  swapped to another turntable with an unknown cartridge. Not sure what's wrong with previous setup.



Congrats and welcome to the B/W world... The 602 is a good speaker, just take care of the cone surrounds. The Kevlar cone will last a long time.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: cktee on April 01, 2012, 21:09
Thanks, nice speakers indeed ;D Will keep them for long haul till the next upgrade.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: chanfm on April 01, 2012, 22:47
Bros,


I just bought a used B&W603 S3.  Handsome pair of speakers.  Does anyone have a view on the best cables to pair with this?  It is driven by an Onkyo 709.  Would really appreciate some advice.


FM
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on April 01, 2012, 22:50
Try a neutral one. Depending on your budget, I like the QED XT series. For a more budget range, go to LHS and get some Belden.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on April 06, 2012, 07:41
http://www.avguide.com/review/bowers-wilkins-prestige-monitor-1-loudspeaker-tas-222?utm_campaign=Weekly+Email&utm_medium=email&utm_source=email-363&utm_content=B%26W+Speakers;+April+Music,+Electrocompaniet,+JoLida+%26+Micromega+Electronics


PM 1 reviewed..
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: lowkenny on May 18, 2012, 12:53
Good day to all B&W users,

This is a news to inform that Bowers and Wilkins (B&W) is the official partner for the Maserati Trofeo MC World Series in a three-year sponsorship deal.

Please do feel free to follow the below URL link to view more images on these:
1) https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.406683566016316.98089.125932294091446&type=1
2) http://www.maserati.com/maserati/en/en/index/maseraticorse/trofeo-granturismo-mc/test/vallelunga-2012/cover.html

Cheers.
KNY
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on May 26, 2012, 20:14
Bros:

Anyone here owns the new 804 Diamonds?
Just want to get an opinion on them... thanks
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: kzone on May 26, 2012, 22:02
Bro, I don't own it but auditioned it at TEG... it sounded quite boxy to me & a little constipated in that setup. The gap is too large compared to the 802. if u like the B&W sound, shud just go for the 802. The realism is unreal.. Almost bought it..  pm me if u wanna know the price quoted to me..

Btw, this is not for ur Holland Rd place rite? Cos u don't have space even for the 804.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on May 26, 2012, 22:04
Bro, I don't own it but auditioned it at TEG... it sounded quite boxy to me & a little constipated in that setup. The gap is too large compared to the 802. if u like the B&W sound, shud just go for the 802. The realism is unreal.. Almost bought it..  pm me if u wanna know the price quoted to me..

Btw, this is not for ur Holland Rd place rite? Cos u don't have space even for the 804.
No space for a slim floorstander?
The 802 is way too much... can you pm me the costs for the 804? I won't even want to know about the 802... I have been very happy with the 805s, and just a little curious what two more drivers can do..
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: kzone on May 26, 2012, 22:23
U would want to have more space behind the 804. if u remove ur dining table then will be much better. Since I didn't pursue the 804, wasn't quoted any special price. only 5% off listed price, which I assumed any walk in customers shud be able to get.

I was told the 803 sounds more open but bigger cabinet ah.
U brought ur 805 to ur new place already? If u've fixed dat up with the htm4, can u invite me over? I have B&W dm 600 for surrounds if u wanna swap with ur usher :)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on May 26, 2012, 22:40
Sure, will invite you...
I don't think I want speakers of that vintage bro... cheers

Actually I like my MA GS based 11 speaker setup for HT, just curious how the 805s will sound in this new environment... will see...
I will be away for a few weeks here and there in June... will do something at the end of the month or something...

Watched a few movies recently... happy with the results of my current HT setup.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: lowkenny on August 01, 2012, 17:36
Hello,

Some of the reviews for the new B&W P3 headphones, which is newly launched headphone by Bowers and Wilkins :)

1) http://www.whathifi.com/review/bw-p3 <== What hiFi reviews
2) http://www.t3.com/reviews/b-and-w-p3-review <== T3 reviews
3) http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/reviews/entry/bowers-wilkins-p3-headphones/ <== iLounge reviews

Available in both black and white as well. :)

Cheers,
Kenny Low
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: lowkenny on August 02, 2012, 14:39
Hi all,

We would like to put in an addition new member to the B&W as well.  It is the awards winning B&W MT60D home theartre setup.  As for the reviews please do visit the below URL:
http://www.whathifi.com/review/bw-mt-60d

So for any of the current owner for B&W MT25/MT30 who would wish to upgrade to the new PV1D or the B&W MT60D, you might want to consider these :)

Cheers
Kenny Low
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on August 18, 2012, 22:25
Been driving my 805s with a Rotel 1572, 250w per channel power amp connected to my Denon AVR 4311. The sound is quite awesome and in my small mickey mouse apartment, the sound is room filling, and there is solid bass too.. the Rotel was a good upgrade.

Now I am considering whether a floorstander like the 804D or s might be a worthy upgrade...
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: DJQ on August 20, 2012, 21:44
Haha slept well? 804D was something I almost got years back. I would not have Tought what amps to drive it with. In ur apartment it should be real good.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on August 20, 2012, 21:48
Haha slept well? 804D was something I almost got years back. I would not have Tought what amps to drive it with. In ur apartment it should be real good.
Sigh, the main issue is that proverbial 4 letter word: cost.
Will be talking to TEG to see what kind of pricing they can do for the 804D, otherwise I have that plan B... or D for ....

Let's see. Been playing with the crossover for the 805s, and I have settled at 60Hz, it's meaty enough for now..
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: jimi on August 22, 2012, 01:10
Sigh, the main issue is that proverbial 4 letter word: cost.
Will be talking to TEG to see what kind of pricing they can do for the 804D, otherwise I have that plan B... or D for ....

Let's see. Been playing with the crossover for the 805s, and I have settled at 60Hz, it's meaty enough for now..

Hehe! Am I reading correctly? Do my eyes fail me? 804D's are not floorstanders right?!!  :P :P
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: kzone on August 22, 2012, 01:37
Bro Pete.. if u r close in deciding to get the 804, do compare and consider the 803.. not sure what's the price difference is but the performance gap is significant
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on August 22, 2012, 08:02
Hehe! Am I reading correctly? Do my eyes fail me? 804D's are not floorstanders right?!!  :P :P

These are pretty slim ones, which are essentially the same floor imprint as the 805, with two extra bass drivers. But the price is already way too high, so 803D is out of the question, and it's far too big for my small place.

Also, I have been reading about the 804D, and some say it's quite bright?

I like the smoothness of the 805s, so replicating that on a larger scale is my main aim. Doesn't seem to be too many 804 owners here or they are much quieter than the Dynaudio ones....

Anyway, the Confidence 1 was also on my list, but that's for another discussion thread..

Bro Pete.. if u r close in deciding to get the 804, do compare and consider the 803.. not sure what's the price difference is but the performance gap is significant
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: jimi on August 22, 2012, 10:23
C1 has a big sound considering it is a bookshelf (albeit a sizeable one).
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on August 22, 2012, 12:03
C1 has a big sound considering it is a bookshelf (albeit a sizeable one).
Yep, that's why I considered it. It can be used in my small place. But I recently heard it in someone's home, with a very solid amp driving it and it was a little underwhelming.. I mean for almost 9-10k I didn't go wow... something that my old 805s had...

That's why even though I can sell the 805s, I rather keep it and get a 804D as well.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: kzone on August 22, 2012, 12:07
the 804 non diamond version still available?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on August 22, 2012, 12:10
the 804 non diamond version still available?
Not commercially ... but some examples may be around..
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: kzone on August 22, 2012, 13:57
if local pricing not attractive, can also consider bringing in the speakers urself.. when I was looking at the 802d, price diff was about 20% so depends on how much you value local warranty

also surprised no one using the 804 here...
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on August 22, 2012, 14:09
I think a 28kg floorstander - 804 is a bit too heavy to bring in..
Apparently HKG has some good prices. Someone might be keen on a 805D or something from there.

There were some postings, on the usage of the 805D with a good sub, instead of the 804, since the difference in price is enough to pay for stands and the sub. Maybe that's why we don't see a lot of users in XP.

But perhaps the users don't post here?

The aesthetics are very important at this price range, and I can see someone owning a Nautilus 800 just for the looks in a large bungalow..

PS: the 803 is about 30-35% more in price than the 804D... So it's again another big amount..
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on August 22, 2012, 14:09
It's been a while, so B&W users, do sign in!
Let's see what everyone is using?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: lowkenny on August 22, 2012, 17:46
Hello All,

The 800 series non diamond range have been discontinued in B&W.  Hence now we only left with the Diamond range only.  The 805D would be still reamain as a bookshelf while the B&W 804D, 803D, 802D and the 800D would be the floorstanders.  :)

Our showroom in Lavender is now under renovation and we will have the full diamond range loudspeakers in store when the showroom is up.

I will then update in here again.  :)

Cheers.
KNY
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: travelfotografer on August 24, 2012, 03:00
Hi Pete,

I use the 804D driven by a Rotel 1582 (see my sig for rest of setup). I have not heard the 805S or any of the S series so I cannot compare.

I did compare the 804D to the Dyn C1 but found the C1 lacking in the bass department compared to 804D. Their treble have different qualities too; both are really good and subject to individual preference.

I was considering the 805D as a cheaper option to the 804D but again found that the 804D is better in the bass department than the 805D. The 805D also sounded more congested in the midrange than the 804D.

It is best to hear for yourself the Diamond series and decide if it is too bright or if it is just details that have been missing all the while from other speakers. Too bad I am out of town right now, else you can come over for a listen.

Leon

It's been a while, so B&W users, do sign in!
Let's see what everyone is using?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on August 24, 2012, 09:05
Thanks bro
Maybe when you are back in town, I can come over...
It's a big amount and the conditions in the current showroom at TEG are not ideal, as they are under reno.

Let me know, cheers.

I like the 805s, because it's a 'friendly' speaker. Instead of merely highlighting the faults in a recording, it tends to make it sound good. Much better for prolonged listening. If the C1 is smoother, I might go for that.

Otherwise a 804s might be the way?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: lowkenny on August 24, 2012, 13:57
Hello all,

The B&W PV1D has gotten the Best Product of the year (2012-2013) in European Imaging and Sound Association (EISA), please do refer to the below URL for more information on this award.
http://www.eisa.eu/award/12/european-ht-subwoofer-2012-2013.html

Cheers.
Kenny Low
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: HDTV_noobie on August 24, 2012, 18:56
Hi Pete,

I use the 804D driven by a Rotel 1582 (see my sig for rest of setup). I have not heard the 805S or any of the S series so I cannot compare.
..
I was considering the 805D as a cheaper option to the 804D but again found that the 804D is better in the bass department than the 805D. The 805D also sounded more congested in the midrange than the 804D.

It is best to hear for yourself the Diamond series and decide if it is too bright or if it is just details that have been missing all the while from other speakers. Too bad I am out of town right now, else you can come over for a listen.

Leon

Hi Leon,

You're welcome to have a listen to my setup as I'm running 805S with AR eAR-1001 ref monos.

Would be interested to join Pete to listen to your setup (if you don't mind) to see what am I missing out from the 804D. ;)

Cheers.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: degraciavg on August 24, 2012, 22:16
Hi Pete,

I've used the 804D for almost a year now. I'm enjoying every minute of it.

I wouldn't characterize it as too bright though. An audiophile friend who listened to my setup probably summed it best - he said it sounded "live" and he enjoyed it a lot. He wanted to buy a pair too but it was out of his budget...

I did some research online and auditioned a few speakers, including the 805D, before i decided to go for the 804D. I didn't get the chance to audition the 805S because it was already discontinued at that point in time.

For my ears (emphasis on "my ears"), the 804D, depending on the type of music I listen to, can be bright but not sharp/harsh (on music with high notes using strings and percussions); can be warm but not too laid back (on vocals and jazzy music); and can thump but not boomy (R&B and dance music).

It's unfortunate that i, too, can't give any comments on the difference between the 804D and 805S...

Cheers,
Vlad  :)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on August 24, 2012, 23:24
Thanks for the comments on your 804D.
This seems to concur with some online opinions, that there is more scale, bass etc, but also more brightness... albeit in selected types of music. Which may mean it's not as laid back as the older aluminum equipped S series.

Let's see if I can get a demo somewhere... I have no pressure to get the 804D, I am still playing with my current setup and it's pretty solid in music and HT.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: chaozhoi on August 25, 2012, 00:20
hihi.. I am a new owner of a pair of used 804s (less than 2 months).. hihi again!
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on September 03, 2012, 08:57
hihi.. I am a new owner of a pair of used 804s (less than 2 months).. hihi again!
Welcome to the club bro.
Share your equipment list, in the planet equipment plus pics!
And if you allow an audition, let me know... cheers.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on September 03, 2012, 09:00

Just sharing a pm here, so others can chip in or learn.

The 800 series Diamond is a good speaker series. But you need to share more info: your setup, your budget and the listening environment. If you belong to the big speaker in tiny space with no acoustic treatment, it won't sound at it's best.

What the guys at TEG use with it is a good start, but if you want to go more budget, at least go with Rotel, Musical Fidelity etc. Partnering with a budget or even mid level AV amp with the 800 series is a waste of your money.

Good luck bro.


Quote
I am curretly looking for a home entertainment system and standing speaker for music.
What always catch my attention is the astatic outlook of the speaker.
Currently I am looking at the B&W 800 diamond series but not sure what to pair with it.
Hope you can guide me to this.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: station8000 on September 04, 2012, 13:06
Hi, if I wanted just to purchase 2 M1 (Mk II) satellites as my rear surround, how much will it cost, can Kenny PM me? How about finding wall mount for them?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: chaozhoi on September 04, 2012, 18:34
Welcome to the club bro.
Share your equipment list, in the planet equipment plus pics!
And if you allow an audition, let me know... cheers.

Hi Pete, it is actually my personal room setup. (not married, no living room for me to hog and play with)
Was actually looking for the 803 but tot the bass might be too overwhelming for a HDB bedroom. I am using my 804s with Mcintosh MC7270 power amp and Adcom 750 preamp. Source will be Emotiva ERC1 and MF M1 DAC.

Was previously using Emotiva XPA-3 as power amp and found the sound too harsh and bright for my liking. Hope to invite you guys for audition once I have my own house and living room. Hehe..
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: travelfotografer on September 04, 2012, 22:28
Sources too! These speakers are very revealing of the setup and quality of upstream components. I was able to easily tell the difference when I swap sources, or when I removed my pre-amp and went with the 32-bit volume control in my MDAC direct to my power amps.

Just sharing a pm here, so others can chip in or learn.

What the guys at TEG use with it is a good start, but if you want to go more budget, at least go with Rotel, Musical Fidelity etc. Partnering with a budget or even mid level AV amp with the 800 series is a waste of your money.

Good luck bro.


Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on September 04, 2012, 22:58
Again the friendship in XP shines through... thank you for all the offers to audition speakers...
Will try and find time over the weekend.
I think the main thing is to find a setup close to mine, and assess if the three chosen speakers are bright...
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: hanaffi on September 05, 2012, 16:54
Hi, if I wanted just to purchase 2 M1 (Mk II) satellites as my rear surround, how much will it cost, can Kenny PM me? How about finding wall mount for them?

Hi Bro,

The wall mounting bracket is included in the original packing.  ;)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: station8000 on September 06, 2012, 02:03
Hi Bro,

The wall mounting bracket is included in the original packing.  ;)

I guess the mounting bracket is forward facing....I would need one that is able to tilt down towards my listening position. What would be the price for a pair of satellites?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: muscular27 on September 06, 2012, 11:03
Just sharing a pm here, so others can chip in or learn.

The 800 series Diamond is a good speaker series. But you need to share more info: your setup, your budget and the listening environment. If you belong to the big speaker in tiny space with no acoustic treatment, it won't sound at it's best.

What the guys at TEG use with it is a good start, but if you want to go more budget, at least go with Rotel, Musical Fidelity etc. Partnering with a budget or even mid level AV amp with the 800 series is a waste of your money.

Good luck bro.



I wanted an all-rounder which can do HT as good as hi-fi. Given the added advantage of the pleasing look of 800 speakers, I settled for 802D. That was 5 years ago and I have never regretted the decision. My center is HTM2D and surrounds from the 600 series range. They are just terrific and excel in both HT and stereo. My setup is in the hall. As Pete mentioned, the synergy with your other equipment is vital to bring out the strenths of the 800 diamond range. My fronts (main speakers and center) are powered by McIntosh monoblocks. PM me for a visit if the potential 800 owner wishes to listen. But must first warn that my setup is messy.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: hanaffi on September 06, 2012, 16:46
I guess the mounting bracket is forward facing....I would need one that is able to tilt down towards my listening position. What would be the price for a pair of satellites?
Hi Bro,

The sattelites is able to tilt downwards but not that much. If your sitting position is not directly to the wall of your room, it could be able to tilt to the "sweet spot". PM sent ;)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: station8000 on September 06, 2012, 17:10
Hi Bro,

The sattelites is able to tilt downwards but not that much. If your sitting position is not directly to the wall of your room, it could be able to tilt to the "sweet spot". PM sent ;)

unfortunately, I really do not have luxury of space and my sofa is resting against the wall where my surround speaker is mounted on top...sigh.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: hanaffi on September 10, 2012, 13:07
Hi Bro, since your sofa is right to the wall there is not much option.
1)If you have left and right wall you could mount it there as an alternatives.
2)In-Ceiling speakers.
3)Best would be speakers on stands.  ;)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on September 15, 2012, 23:31
Hi Pete,

I've used the 804D for almost a year now. I'm enjoying every minute of it.

I wouldn't characterize it as too bright though. An audiophile friend who listened to my setup probably summed it best - he said it sounded "live" and he enjoyed it a lot. He wanted to buy a pair too but it was out of his budget...

I did some research online and auditioned a few speakers, including the 805D, before i decided to go for the 804D. I didn't get the chance to audition the 805S because it was already discontinued at that point in time.

For my ears (emphasis on "my ears"), the 804D, depending on the type of music I listen to, can be bright but not sharp/harsh (on music with high notes using strings and percussions); can be warm but not too laid back (on vocals and jazzy music); and can thump but not boomy (R&B and dance music).

It's unfortunate that i, too, can't give any comments on the difference between the 804D and 805S...

Cheers,
Vlad  :)


Thanks bro, I have placed my comments here: http://peteswrite.blogspot.sg/2012/09/b-804d-speaker-review.html

IMHO, I would use something like a Classe power amp, or something from Musical Fidelity to power the 804D, rather than the Emotivas... but your B&W 10" sub was very impressive and so was the soundfield created...
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: kzone on September 15, 2012, 23:39
Pete, what weaknesses did hear with the XPA1 that you feel a classe or MF would overcome? I've not heard the arcam avr but wud think that a dedicated preamp wud be the best bet to improve stereo performance esp a balanced one to take advantage of the XPA1's balanced design.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on September 15, 2012, 23:44
Pete, what weaknesses did hear with the XPA1 that you feel a classe or MF would overcome? I've not heard the arcam avr but wud think that a dedicated preamp wud be the best bet to improve stereo performance esp a balanced one to take advantage of the XPA1's balanced design.
It's in my post bro... IMO, it needs a bit more warmth.. YMMV and some will like it just as it is in the current setup.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: kzone on September 15, 2012, 23:55
ah, must have missed it. not so certain if classe will make it warm though.. the 802D setup at TEG with the classe (monoblocks i think) sure didnt sound warm. The MF yeah, definitely. anyway, doesnt sound like u will be getting it.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on September 16, 2012, 00:00
I think there is a certain sound I want, and to each his own I guess.. Bear in mind this is a really expensive buy.. So you must really love it to part with so much $$.. 
On a separate note, the ASW 610 10" subwoofer was very impressive and if you have a smallish room you can get it to shake your sofa nicely..
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on September 17, 2012, 09:35
IMO the main issue with the 804 was also its feature : the revealing sound, warts and all ..

I talked to some members and there are potential buyers who hope to plant them into existing setups and this can actually have a deleterious effect which can be surprising. 

It's real poison as you then gaze around and it suddenly dawns on you that you need to fix the entire food chain..
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: station8000 on September 17, 2012, 10:27
Hi Bro, since your sofa is right to the wall there is not much option.
1)If you have left and right wall you could mount it there as an alternatives.
2)In-Ceiling speakers.
3)Best would be speakers on stands.  ;)

Thanks Bro....
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: travelfotografer on September 19, 2012, 04:05
Pete,

Read your review and you are right, the 804 has heaps of detail, and I love details (warts and all).

I am using a power amp that is about 1/8th of the price of the 804. I am pretty satisfied (for now) but my friend commented that the 804 would perform better with a "better" amp. My take has been that the speakers determines the majority of the reproduced sound, followed by the source and then the amplification.

My next upgrade, when it comes, would be the amplifier. You can consider not going for a full system at one go, so that you can have your most preferred speakers and upgrade the rest of the chain when funds allow.

Leon

IMO the main issue with the 804 was also its feature : the revealing sound, warts and all ..

I talked to some members and there are potential buyers who hope to plant them into existing setups and this can actually have a deleterious effect which can be surprising. 

It's real poison as you then gaze around and it suddenly dawns on you that you need to fix the entire food chain..
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: lowkenny on September 21, 2012, 17:24
Hello all,

This is a great news which the B&W MT50 is 5 star rated in WhatHiFi.  And not to forget the this would be the same as B&W MT60D which is 5 star rated in WhatHiFi as well and the new PV1D subwoofer has gotten itself the EISA 2012-2013 for the Best HT subwoofer. 

For those are interested to listen to how these guys sounds, please do drop by to our showroom to have a feel on these 2 award winning home thertre setup. 

Cheers
Kenny
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: lowkenny on September 21, 2012, 17:39
Hi all,

In 1979 we redefined what is possible in sound reproduction with the very first 800 Series speaker – the Matrix 800.

In 1998, we re-wrote the rulebook all over again with the Nautilus 800 Series. But we didn’t stop there. We continued to refine and experiment, and now we’ve raised the benchmark again.

The new born 800 Series Diamond range loudspeakers which comes now with the QUAD MAGNET DIAMOND NAUTILUS TUBE LOADED tweeter harnesses the unique properties of diamond throughout the range, producing a sound of unheard-of accuracy and realism.

And we are proud to announce that the new B&W 800D has gotten itself a 5 star rated award from WhatHiFi. 

LISTEN AND YOU WILL SEE. 

Cheers
Kenny Low

Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: travelfotografer on September 21, 2012, 22:35
Kenny,

Your post made me thought for a while that B&W has released Diamonds MkII !!! LOL

BTW, are the showroom renovations completed?

Leon
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: hanaffi on September 24, 2012, 16:24
Hi Leon,

The showroom is partially 70% completed. Our main door now is at #01-04 right next to the florist shop.

Cheers! ;D
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on October 01, 2012, 09:27
The 800 reviewed:
http://www.whathifi.com/review/800-diamond (http://www.whathifi.com/review/800-diamond)
 

(http://www.whathifi.com/sites/whathifi.com/files/images/b-and-w/B_W_800b.jpg)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: lowkenny on October 11, 2012, 17:42
Hello All,

This is some of the new updates which we do have in Bowers and Wilkins.  We would want to kick start with the B&W A7 Wireless Music System, an ultimate wireless music system. A7 uniquely combines our highest-quality audio engineering and best-in-class electronics with wireless Apple AirPlay® streaming.

Followed by the B&W A5 a purity, simplicity, stunning sound. A5 is built from the ground up to deliver the best in high-quality audio and intuitive wireless streaming from Apple's AirPlay®, in a discreet system that fits almost anywhere.

We will update again when we have gotten both the demo unit in our showroom. 

Cheers.
Kenny Low
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Tng on October 16, 2012, 22:11
Hi all,

Greetings - great B&W thread. Just wanted to check if you would advise digital amps to pair with the 800 series?
D Amps like Emotiva or Wyred 4 Sound? Any experiences? I saw a couple of threads on the net and they ae at best confusing.. ???

Sorry Kenny, Classe out of my reach, unless you have a pair of CAM400 lying somewhere that you;ll be glad to dispose at a good offer!... ;D

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on October 16, 2012, 22:15
Welcome to XP and B&W.
I use a Rotel 1572 power amp for my 805s.
You can see lots of people in the AVS forum B&W thread using this two brands together. But you should audition to see if it fits.

Do have a look at the stickies and make use of the search button. Cheers.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: watchdog on October 16, 2012, 22:26
No problem at all. I've assembled a system for a friend using a Bel Canto s300 with the 804s.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Lee Kill You on October 16, 2012, 22:31
Welcome to XP and B&W.
I use a Rotel 1572 power amp for my 805s.
You can see lots of people in the AVS forum B&W thread using this two brands together. But you should audition to see if it fits.

Do have a look at the stickies and make use of the search button. Cheers.



Rotel..................seriously ???!!!

the speakers aren't that great to begin with and you partner with Rotel.................
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on October 16, 2012, 22:52


Rotel..................seriously ???!!!

the speakers aren't that great to begin with and you partner with Rotel.................

The tone of this troll sounds highly familar... we have met this person in the guise of another nick before...
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: hmvc on October 16, 2012, 22:54
Where is the showroom for a7?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: heuer on October 16, 2012, 23:21
The tone of this troll sounds highly familar... we have met this person in the guise of another nick before...

You referring to Mr Dog? As usual nothing constructive from him and in no time get the kick from mod again.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: virtueblue on October 16, 2012, 23:32
I used to pair B&W 805S with my Naim 202 pre and 200 power amp with good effect.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: kzone on October 16, 2012, 23:32
Hi all,

Greetings - great B&W thread. Just wanted to check if you would advise digital amps to pair with the 800 series?

80? 801 need very diff amp then 805. I had fairly good result with emotiva xpa1 driving the old 803 matrix. But difficult to find a good matching preamp. Their old usp1 preamp lack resolution and transparency while the supposedly matching xsp1 preamp was just released few days ago so can't comment yet.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Tng on October 17, 2012, 00:26
80? 801 need very diff amp then 805. I had fairly good result with emotiva xpa1 driving the old 803 matrix. But difficult to find a good matching preamp. Their old usp1 preamp lack resolution and transparency while the supposedly matching xsp1 preamp was just released few days ago so can't comment yet.

Thanks kzone, was wondering if you know of warm sounding ss amp that does match well with N802S?

Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Tng on October 17, 2012, 00:27
No problem at all. I've assembled a system for a friend using a Bel Canto s300 with the 804s.

thanks, will check out..
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Tng on October 17, 2012, 00:30
I used to pair B&W 805S with my Naim 202 pre and 200 power amp with good effect.

thanks virtueblue - will check out, but not sure if Naim has anything that could match a N802s..
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: lowkenny on October 23, 2012, 15:54
Hi all,

Greetings - great B&W thread. Just wanted to check if you would advise digital amps to pair with the 800 series?
D Amps like Emotiva or Wyred 4 Sound? Any experiences? I saw a couple of threads on the net and they ae at best confusing.. ???

Sorry Kenny, Classe out of my reach, unless you have a pair of CAM400 lying somewhere that you;ll be glad to dispose at a good offer!... ;D

Thanks in advance.

Hello Tng,

Yes you are good to go with digital amp with B&W speakers.  But 1st of all, I would want to let you know that "dgitial amp" is a misnomer.  There are actually 2 categories which is:

1. Analog-controlled class D. Switching amplifiers with an analog input signal and an analog control system. Normally some degree of feedback error correction is present.

2. Digitally controlled class D. Amplifiers with a digitally generated control that switches a power stage.

Both use switching power stages and have high power efficiency as their most eye-catching feature.

By the way sad to say that Classe CAM 400 has been discontinued and we no longer have that with us, further to that we have also cleared our Classe CAM 400.

Cheers.
Kenny Low
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: lowkenny on October 23, 2012, 16:01


Rotel..................seriously ???!!!

the speakers aren't that great to begin with and you partner with Rotel.................

Hello Lee Kill You,

Yes, certainly we do pair the Rotel with B&W speakers in our showroom.  Example: We do drive the B&W CM9 (EISA award winning loudspeakers) with the Rotel RCD1520, RC-1580 and RB1582) which is one of the highly reviewed electronics.  Also the whole combination would be one of the rated 5 stars in TECH RADAR.  By the way we do use them to drive the B&W 804D as well. 

Please do refer to the below URL for more read up's on it:
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/audio-visual/hi-fi-and-audio/cd-players-and-recorders/rotel-rcd-1520-cd-player-and-rc-1580-rb-1582-amplifiers-608290/review

Cheers.
Kenny Low

Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: lowkenny on October 23, 2012, 16:02
Where is the showroom for a7?

Hello hmvc,

Once we have gotten the B&W A7 in out showroom in Lavender,  I will update you again and you can drop by to have a listen to it.  Meanwhile please do PM me your mobile no so that I can call you staright away :)

Cheers.
Kenny Low
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: lowkenny on October 23, 2012, 16:35
Hello to all,
This would be the time again that B&W has garnered some awards for their speakers especially in the home theatre speaker packages, and as for now we would be glad to announce that:

1)   B&W MT50 has won as the Product of the year 2012.
2)   B&W MT60D has won the Best Style Speaker Package (2012)
3)   What HiFi 5 star rated B&W CM9 Home Theatre Setup  has won the Best Traditional package (2012)

Finally that would be the B&W P3 which have been included in STUFF magazines and gotten itself a Prestigious Cool List 2012 as well. Below would be some of the excerpts from the reviews:
(Stuff describes the P3s as being “subtle, stylish and just a bit good.” And notes that “the design, engineering and tuning of the P3s was handled by the same team responsible for Bowers & Wilkins’ Zeppelin Air dock and its legendary 800 Series Diamond speakers.”)

Not to forget that the new release Rotel RA-10 integrated stereo amplifier has emerge as the Product of the year 2012. So for those who are looking for an entry level stereo amplifier for their B&W speakers, you might wish to consider this as well. :)

Cheers.
Kenny Low
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on October 30, 2012, 21:47
Check out the 802 review in HT:
http://www.hometheater.com/content/bampw-802-diamond-speaker-system

Drool worthy stuff, but the reviewer notes that the top end tends to be bright it seems..
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: deadrat on October 31, 2012, 13:12
Hi Everyone,

My CM8 is currently setup this way:

NAS -> Sonos -> Audiolab 8200CD -> Onkyo 608 -> CM8 + M1s (for Music and HT)

As you can see, the Onkyo 608 is probably the weak link in my setup. At the moment, I am considering to get a stereo amp. Being recommended

1. Rotel 1520
2. Roksan Kandy K2

Personally, would be interested to find out how Rotel RA-12 fare together with CM8.

Any recommendations or comments are much appreciated.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on October 31, 2012, 17:20
Someone gave me an sms today - sorry that I didn't recognise the number, different phone...

Anyhow, The Expert Group is having a sale... significant discounts on the stuff they carry, including their speakers..


Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: bberry on October 31, 2012, 19:57
Normally they very niao, so yes, rather significant in my opinion.  eg CM9 - 20% discount, 685 - 25%
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: hiryu on November 01, 2012, 15:18
May I know how much is 685 after 25% discount?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: mywish4hd on November 01, 2012, 15:41
it could seem that 25% off is for demo sets only. anyone can confirm ?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on November 01, 2012, 15:49
Prices are for new sets, but you can ask for demo ones, maybe they have some sale?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: mywish4hd on November 01, 2012, 16:27
thanks Petetherock.. am considering between 683/684 vs RX6 .. think you have walked this path before .. any advice ?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on November 01, 2012, 16:36
It's YOUR money bro.
Please audition for yourself.
I do not own the 6 series or the RX .
 
I have posted a thread on how to audition, that's your best bet to start and decide.
 
Cheers.
thanks Petetherock.. am considering between 683/684 vs RX6 .. think you have walked this path before .. any advice ?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: hiryu on November 01, 2012, 16:36
I just called them.
25% is for both new and also demo.
Their 685 is about 1k now. Looks like it's time to pop over.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on November 01, 2012, 17:01
These are real prices, which make them highly competitive now.
 
IMO, if you are into B &W, don't wait. But tell them this is what we want in terms of pricing. More buyers may convince them they are onto the right track.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: bberry on November 01, 2012, 21:37
B&W is way overprice here in Sg
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: kzone on November 01, 2012, 21:43
25% for all models??
if so, the 800 series is definitely worth it!!
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: meatballz on November 02, 2012, 11:54
Very very tempting to buy a pair of cm1. Any discount at 50% ?:)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on November 02, 2012, 14:26
Very very tempting to buy a pair of cm1. Any discount at 50% ?:)

I sell you my 805s for half price - only $3000. Add new centre HTM4s for another $2000 only. Less than half price...
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: meatballz on November 02, 2012, 17:11
I sell you my 805s for half price - only $3000. Add new centre HTM4s for another $2000 only. Less than half price...

thanks but i only want the cm1.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Tng on November 04, 2012, 16:24
Hi Pete,

Don't mind PM me Kenny's mobile if you have. thanx.

Best Regards,
Tng
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on November 04, 2012, 16:40
Hi Pete,

Don't mind PM me Kenny's mobile if you have. thanx.

Best Regards,
Tng
I don't have it bro, I don't work for them, cheers.

Try to pm him?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Tng on November 04, 2012, 17:01
No worries, thanx. I heard you got your 804Di?

You must be in the heavens now..haha. ;D

Would you think there is a big jump in sound from 803 to 802?

What about 804 to 803?

Thanx..
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on November 04, 2012, 17:02
Since I have not heard any of these, I cannot offer an opinion. Cheers.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: hmvc on November 06, 2012, 13:31
I called at 11, 1,3,5,530,6pm yest
And today called several times at 62975665. Have experts group closed down?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: lowkenny on November 06, 2012, 20:01
Dear all,

On behalf of The Experts Group Pte Ltd (Bowers and Wilkins Showroom - Lavender Street), I would like to convey a sincere thank you for all your supports towards our event (5th Anniversary Celebrations cum Sales Event) which starts on the 31st Oct 2012 and ended successfully on the 4th Nov 2012. 

As our newly renovated showroom is still undergoing some minor rectifications, we do apologize that there will be times which our land line is down, please do feel free to send me a PM in here if you fail to reach us, I will try my best to revert back as soon as possible.

Cheers,
Kenny Low
The Experts Group Pte Ltd
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: lowkenny on November 22, 2012, 14:20
Hello all,

We have gotten our B&W A7 connected in our showroom in Lavender and for those who are interested to have an audition, please do drop by to our showroom. 

By the way the B&W A7 is 5 star rated in WhatHiFi.  Also the B&W MT50 which is a group tets winner in WhatHiFi.  The competitors would be Monitor Audio Mass, Canton Movie 1050 and the Q Acoustics Q7000.

Cheers,
Kenny Low
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: n3wk1d on November 29, 2012, 21:38
My friend send in the speaker for repair months ago (under warranty), which is not return till todate.
I wonder what kind of support did the "real" distributor say about this.

If only want to sell and not service then you have to make known to those who bought it. Isn't it ?
What's the point of 5 years warranty, if it takes years to repair a speaker. I just find this is a joke when my friend told me this.

Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: lowkenny on November 29, 2012, 23:37
Hello n3wk1d,

Based on what you have posted in here, maybe you can furnish with me with more details on this matter? I could then check on this matter further?

Cheers,
Kenny Low



My friend send in the speaker for repair months ago (under warranty), which is not return till todate.
I wonder what kind of support did the "real" distributor say about this.

If only want to sell and not service then you have to make known to those who bought it. Isn't it ?
What's the point of 5 years warranty, if it takes years to repair a speaker. I just find this is a joke when my friend told me this.


Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: n3wk1d on November 29, 2012, 23:48
"Mai keh leh", you are the one who handled my friend's case and I'm sure you are aware of this.
I was at her house the other time when she show me the broken part, it's more than 2-3 months since then.
Told me yesterday that you still do not do anything to the speakers, wonder what kind of standard you guys are using ?

I just find this real funny, a regional distributor do not have parts for replacement or repair ? Even if the speaker were to sent back to "tor kor" using surface mail also reached liao.

Lucky me not loaded to buy expensive speaker, else I'll go nuts about this man.

**Just to add, do not need to PM me. I'm not the one you should go for, it's my friend that you should be taking care of. Your REAL customer. LOL

Hello n3wk1d,

Based on what you have posted in here, maybe you can furnish with me with more details on this matter? I could then check on this matter further?

Cheers,
Kenny Low



Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: jasonteong on November 30, 2012, 12:33
Hi n3wk1d,

Perhaps allow me to clarify so that other forumers and our customer do not have the wrong idea.

Firstly, all our staff are told not to guess what forumers are hinting at.  If there is a problem or complain, we get the details and we sort out the issue with the customer.  We do not pretend that there is no problem and try to walk away from the problem.  We do not pretend to know what is being hinted at.

Here, (after talking to the guys) I will just make a "educated guess" on the case that you are hinting at  - Ms E. Tan case because we only have 1 repair case that we do not have parts to do anything.  As I have said, we prefer not to guess but if we do not clarify now, then it will seem like we are hiding and this goes beyond our policy of being transparent to customers, especially on repair matters.

To provide factual details, the repair was sent to us on 12th Sep (2 months) and the parts that is damaged is uncommon.  So rare that in this year, we have not repaired any similar case.  We do sell many of the same speaker but have not gotten much repair cases.  Despite the rarity of the problem; the difficulty for this part to be damaged on its own (according to B&W) and that this unit was purchased and shipped by Ms Tan on her own from our Malaysia showroom, we have not argued on the repair and have acted promptly to file for parts required.  And due to the rarity of the problem, B&W do not keep the parts and neither do we keep this item because it is impossible for us to keep all parts, especially uncommon parts.

We had in fact communicated with Ms Tan and copied B&W at the same time.   

B&W have promised to send us parts once it is available next week.  Until we have recieved parts, there is nothing that we can do to the speakers so Ms Tan was not wrong to say that we have not done anything to the speakers.  But despite knowing the parts are coming, we have offered to loan Ms Tan a pair of speaker as interim loan.

Yes, I agree we should have proposed the loan earlier and can only apologise for it. As I understand from the guys, we have expected the parts to be available in this month's parts shipment but the required parts was not available.

This case is now handled by Henry (in charge of sales) and I am sure Ms Tan is already in communication with Henry already.  Henry have also mailed a formal letter of apology to Ms Tan already.
If you are a representative of Ms E. Tan, we will be happy to meet you to explain all the details to you.  Do let us know.

If Ms E. Tan case is not the one that you are hinting at, then pls give us the details.

I hope this clear all the guessing.

If there are other forumers that have problems, pls contact us directly - we do not hide from problems and we have never walked away from a problem.  It's always better to talk to us or tomeet us so that we can discuss the various options available.

In any case, thanks for the note and rest assured we will help Ms Tan solve her problem.

Regards

Jason Teong
General Manager
The Experts Group Pte Ltd



"Mai keh leh", you are the one who handled my friend's case and I'm sure you are aware of this.
I was at her house the other time when she show me the broken part, it's more than 2-3 months since then.
Told me yesterday that you still do not do anything to the speakers, wonder what kind of standard you guys are using ?

I just find this real funny, a regional distributor do not have parts for replacement or repair ? Even if the speaker were to sent back to "tor kor" using surface mail also reached liao.

Lucky me not loaded to buy expensive speaker, else I'll go nuts about this man.

**Just to add, do not need to PM me. I'm not the one you should go for, it's my friend that you should be taking care of. Your REAL customer. LOL

Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Quest on November 30, 2012, 13:30
Somehow the 'real owners' thread seem to be over-run now..
Hope the intent of opening this thread versus the previous one is kept.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: n3wk1d on November 30, 2012, 16:53
Sorry man, not sure what is this this Real owner thread is.
Only those whose owns can talk ?

Somehow the 'real owners' thread seem to be over-run now..
Hope the intent of opening this thread versus the previous one is kept.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: n3wk1d on November 30, 2012, 17:01
I think there's missing link somewhere, why now then came out to speak ?
Why not a month ago, why not 6 weeks ago ?

From your explanation, it seems like it's not your problem but rather B&W issue for not sending you the parts. LOL
Maybe my friend is right that she was asked to complain direct to B&W.

Hmm... it's getting hot here liao. I better move away else I kena track down or my friend won't speak to me next time.
I'm not a REAL owner,  so I better shut up now.

Interesting brand, I think I must google to find out more about B&W.

Hi n3wk1d,

Perhaps allow me to clarify so that other forumers and our customer do not have the wrong idea.

Firstly, all our staff are told not to guess what forumers are hinting at.  If there is a problem or complain, we get the details and we sort out the issue with the customer.  We do not pretend that there is no problem and try to walk away from the problem.  We do not pretend to know what is being hinted at.

Here, (after talking to the guys) I will just make a "educated guess" on the case that you are hinting at  - Ms E. Tan case because we only have 1 repair case that we do not have parts to do anything.  As I have said, we prefer not to guess but if we do not clarify now, then it will seem like we are hiding and this goes beyond our policy of being transparent to customers, especially on repair matters.

To provide factual details, the repair was sent to us on 12th Sep (2 months) and the parts that is damaged is uncommon.  So rare that in this year, we have not repaired any similar case.  We do sell many of the same speaker but have not gotten much repair cases.  Despite the rarity of the problem; the difficulty for this part to be damaged on its own (according to B&W) and that this unit was purchased and shipped by Ms Tan on her own from our Malaysia showroom, we have not argued on the repair and have acted promptly to file for parts required.  And due to the rarity of the problem, B&W do not keep the parts and neither do we keep this item because it is impossible for us to keep all parts, especially uncommon parts.

We had in fact communicated with Ms Tan and copied B&W at the same time.   

B&W have promised to send us parts once it is available next week.  Until we have recieved parts, there is nothing that we can do to the speakers so Ms Tan was not wrong to say that we have not done anything to the speakers.  But despite knowing the parts are coming, we have offered to loan Ms Tan a pair of speaker as interim loan.

Yes, I agree we should have proposed the loan earlier and can only apologise for it. As I understand from the guys, we have expected the parts to be available in this month's parts shipment but the required parts was not available.

This case is now handled by Henry (in charge of sales) and I am sure Ms Tan is already in communication with Henry already.  Henry have also mailed a formal letter of apology to Ms Tan already.
If you are a representative of Ms E. Tan, we will be happy to meet you to explain all the details to you.  Do let us know.

If Ms E. Tan case is not the one that you are hinting at, then pls give us the details.

I hope this clear all the guessing.

If there are other forumers that have problems, pls contact us directly - we do not hide from problems and we have never walked away from a problem.  It's always better to talk to us or tomeet us so that we can discuss the various options available.

In any case, thanks for the note and rest assured we will help Ms Tan solve her problem.

Regards

Jason Teong
General Manager
The Experts Group Pte Ltd



Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: jasonteong on November 30, 2012, 17:34
Sorry Quest but I need to further calrify this.

Hi n3wk1d,
I have avoided coming into forum for a long time but in this case, I think your post needs direct clarficiations.  Why now?  Simply because your post demands my attention and I cannot let other readers have the wrong idea . There is no missing link so there is no point in suggesting otherwise.

While I have said that we could not do anything because we do not have the parts, this is very far from your comment that we do not see it as our fault.  We do not push blames and we accept/admit the parts shortage problem as our own very problem.  This is why we extended the loan to her before your posting was made (the loan unit is installed already).  If we wish to push the blame, we can easily walk away and just simply say "pls wait for parts".  We have instead chose to apologise directly to her and have taken various steps to address her issue.  We distribute B&W product here and we do our best to service the B&W customers and will always act in the best interest of B&W brand.

Here, we are merely explaining why her repair took longer then expected - nothing else.  I think there is no need to suggest anything beyond the facts and keep to the facts of what have occured.  I think this is fair to ourselves and to the other readers/forumers. 

Again, I must reiterate that the parts that is damaged on Ms Tan's unit very rarely fails.  We can really apologise for this inconvenience and seek to make it easier.

Finally, pls provide your contact number so that we can get in touch with you.  It is clear that you care for Ms Tan's well being so pls allow us to discuss how we can make the situation better for you and Ms Tan. 

Sincere regards

Jason Teong

I think there's missing link somewhere, why now then came out to speak ?
Why not a month ago, why not 6 weeks ago ?

From your explanation, it seems like it's not your problem but rather B&W issue for not sending you the parts. LOL
Maybe my friend is right that she was asked to complain direct to B&W.

Hmm... it's getting hot here liao. I better move away else I kena track down or my friend won't speak to me next time.
I'm not a REAL owner,  so I better shut up now.

Interesting brand, I think I must google to find out more about B&W.

Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Quest on November 30, 2012, 17:54
Sorry man, not sure what is this this Real owner thread is.
Only those whose owns can talk ?
Nope.. allow me to quote pete from his first post.

I will make this thread similar to the MA and Dynaudio thread where owners, buyers and past owners can feel free to post. I freely and openly support brands that I own, and I have no qualms letting others know my own preferences and bias, so feel free to take my posts with a pinch of salt.

Dealers can contribute their feedback and share info, but advertisements alone are best posted elsewhere.


I don't think there is anything wrong with jason clarifying any matters, but noticed more advertisements lately.
I believe it was because of this same reason that the old thread was abandoned by users. Ironically advertisements stopped in that thread as well.
http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=48145.690
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on November 30, 2012, 18:06
Nope.. allow me to quote pete from his first post.


I don't think there is anything wrong with jason clarifying any matters, but noticed more advertisements lately.
I believe it was because of this same reason that the old thread was abandoned by users. Ironically advertisements stopped in that thread as well.
http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=48145.690

+1
I set this thread up to allow interested members to discuss about this good brand free of ads. Or at least with sellers stepping in only for advice and help.
Just like the Dynaudio and MA ones.

This way those who like B&W can get views from other owners and see if these speakers are worth an audition or a purchase.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on November 30, 2012, 18:11
I think working out this repair issue is important and having the owner and our local reps step in is a good thing and part of the aim.

But as Quest has noted ads belong in a separate section. Or have a separate thread that showcases products.

I also notice SD has done the same, starting threads on stuff they sell.

Members can then decide if they want to join or start an owners thread.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on November 30, 2012, 20:13
IMO the gold standard owner thread is the rhythmik thread at the AVS forum.
You get solid advice, tips and help on trouble shooting.
Brian the rhythmik guy steps in to give advice and let's the owners share about new products themselves.

He does a sterling job of follow up whenever any owner has an issue with his subs.

And this from an ID company who relies on Internet based sales in USA.

On the other there are many brick and mortar companies in Singapore who are totally silent.

The balance of not appearing overtly pushing their products and yet staying in the limelight and connected takes experience and tact.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: n3wk1d on November 30, 2012, 20:42
Totally agreed to both of you. (Pete and quest)
I mean, when my friend told me this. I just find it a bit ridicules for a regional distri to not holding any responsible to get the repair done soonest but instead asked my friend to write to B&W direct to complain.
After two long months then suddenly respond is so effective. Loan set is up and running along with letter. Wow!

My English is not powerful, can't write well and can't beautify any kinds of complain nicely.

I'm in for a good and responsive distributor like rhythmik sub. They should try and resolve issue or give expert advise rather than just post advertisement and tell people how good they are right.

To Jason, I'm just an ordinary friend of your customer, nothing beyond that.
Just trying to help her to voice it out and make known to the rest the service level she is getting from you guys.
The bottom line is this forum is damn effective and hope my friend got her speaker back sometime next week if I hear correctly.

Over and out.

Apologise to those are reading this and don't find this is useful.

Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: DJQ on December 01, 2012, 00:26
ok, i ex-owner here. can post?  ;D
seriously simi part broken till no stock? i am so very curious. the microphone looking Tweeter?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: netbaby on December 01, 2012, 08:19
Pai seh arh, I am curious too.
How the factory make speakers without available parts?  ???
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on December 01, 2012, 08:34
Imo it will be good if the actual owner stepped forward. Then we have a clearer picture, especially of what is this mysterious part.

It can't be out of production since its under warranty. And the Nautilus tweeter is rather easy to find and replace since its a well sold speaker. But the part is capable of incapacitating the speaker so I am curious too.

Alec why not ask your friend to speak up ?

Actually not that many dealers lend their speakers, ever tried MA or Mission or PSB or JBL ?

So it's good customer retrieval to have this but for this issue to be dragged out like this isn't helping.

I think there are many happy owners too but when TEG places a premium on their products people also demand Lexus style service.

Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: naglfar on December 01, 2012, 09:25
I believe the part in question is the diamond tweeter of the 805D.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on December 01, 2012, 10:01
That's the Nautilus tweeter ...
Which is rather simple to get, simply because so many get dented or spoilt.
There is a large user base, as the 800 series is highly popular and well regarded.
But many users have curious kids, and that shiny thing on top of daddy's wooden speaker is a kid magnet..

Or somethings, they just rip off the whole housing!
I believe the part in question is the diamond tweeter of the 805D.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: jasonteong on December 03, 2012, 13:15
Hi all,
Hoepfully to put an end to the story:

1) on the repair case - I think it is assumed that there was no discussion or updates to the owner in the 2 months, which is totally wrong.  We do take records of service update calls (date, time etc).  There is no action on loan because there was no request for it (by the owner herself) but becuase we did not get the parts in November's shipment, we thought it will be nice for us to offer a loan.  We did not think it will turn out that it becomes a arguing point that we are trying to cover up for our mistake.  As I have said, we recognise that the 2 months is not an acceptable standard for us or B&W. 

I again say this - our actions to Ms Tan is totally unrelated to the posting here and have all be executed before any posting happened.

And as we have said, we could have easily just "sit and wait" instead of going out of our way to solve this problem. 

On the point that Ms Tan was asked to write to B&W to complain, thankfully, we did not get any complains via B&W. So Ms Tan did not write to B&W.  As to whether our staff asked her to do it, I will find out and correct this internally.

2) And on being able to return her speakers to her in 2 weeks, sorry to say that this was not the credit of the forum posting.  As I have said, we have actioned long before you posted.  This is a fact which can be easily verified with the owner and B&W.

3) on posting here - we have discussed the matter internally and have requested all updates on awards/reviews to be posted onto our own thread.  However, we will continue to clarify on anything that seems to undermine our reputation and the brand's reputation.  The brand's reputation also affects all the owner's in this thread and we should not allow it to go down the drain.

Hope this addresses the matter and closes it, allowing the usual owner's discussion to proceed as normal.

Regards
jason teong


Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: jasonteong on December 03, 2012, 13:30
Hi,
Just to address this point which seems mightily curious to a large number of people.

I have some management background in factory production so I can provide my personal guess (not B&W's explanation).

Factory always treat production parts and spare parts as 2 seperate matters.  As you all can guess, a factory's production line needs to run smoothly and to do that, all parts must be available for it to run.  If there is a shortage of parts, then the whole production line will be disrupted thus affecting hundreds of customers.

Given this, factory managers cannot just take a spare parts from the production line to fulfill a spare parts requirement.  if you can take one, you can take another and the slippery slope continues and the production line will never be able to run smooothly.  So typically for spare parts, they will need to establish a seperate production line to produce the parts and for economy of scale, they may try to accumulate the spare parts order.  Also they will need procure parts to produce the module as well which also have its own leadtime.

This is why spare parts always have longer leadtime then production units.

Yes, it may seems stupid to some customer but if you consider that the production line benefits hundreds of customers while spare parts customers are only a few customers, the economic justification is simply skewed towards production line.

This is why spare parts are typically buffered and stored for use but if its a rare parts that rarely fails then the buffer typically is low and when there is a unpredicted surge in demand, then regretably you will have to wait for parts. 

This is why we as local distributor try to keep buffer parts but due to the financial and space consideration, we will be unable to store everything.  This is why we can turn around some repair faster then others.

Regards
Jason Teong

PS: this matter is again unrelated to Ms Tan's case.  As I have stated, the above is my personal guess.




Pai seh arh, I am curious too.
How the factory make speakers without available parts?  ???
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on December 03, 2012, 15:00
Thank you Jason for the clarification.
 
I am sure B&W owners will enjoy the information and support from TEG.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: DJQ on December 03, 2012, 16:56
End of the day, we still dunno what part broke.  ???
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: n3wk1d on December 03, 2012, 17:49
Sorry guys, one last post here.

It's the microphone like tweeter loh.
Common part mah, talk until like very huge part and affect the whole production. Wa lao eh.

You are lucky I choose to write here first instead of writing to B&W.

We have no interest in your in-house matters, so just do what ever you deems fit and do not need to report to us. LOL
Bottom line is 2 months is way to long with no response and you did acknowledge it.
My suggestion..
Maybe a SOP and lead time will be given to the owner if they wanted to repair ?

When I posted this, I do not intend to undermine nor "bad mouth" your reputation. You mentioned it yourself and it seems like you only "gan cheong" when your reputation is on the line ?
My intention is just to get you guys attention and get things done, if you want to think it the way you wanted. Let it be loh.

Your reputation will affect the rest of the B&W owner ? Seriously ???
Can I laugh on it ?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: watchdog on December 03, 2012, 18:45
Reading the exchange here, I almost fell off my chair.

The most likely component to fail in any speaker are the drive units. Overdriving, itchy children fingers, basket corrosion, DC from faulty amps, the list goes on. I would like to think that manufacturers would stock at least a few spare drive units on hand at all times for current production models.

However, the story here is uncomfortably familiar. I waited two months for new drivers from a major speaker manufacturer. Even paid for air freight to expedite the order. When the dealer finally gave it to me, they mentioned that the manufacturer probably had to specially manufacture the driver as they guessed that they had no stock on hand. When I opened the box, the drivers were two years old according to the batch number !

For the record, the dealer was NOT TEG and the speakers were NOT B&W. But no more speakers for me from that brand anymore.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: ballhead on December 03, 2012, 18:53
On TEG's website, it says that it is the sole distributor for B&W in Singapore and Malaysia. B&W products bought from TEG Sdn (M) Bhd - are their warranty supported within Singapore? I am thoroughly confused now.


....... Despite the rarity of the problem; the difficulty for this part to be damaged on its own (according to B&W) and that this unit was purchased and shipped by Ms Tan on her own from our Malaysia showroom, we have not argued on the repair and have acted promptly to file for parts required.  ....


Regards

Jason Teong
General Manager
The Experts Group Pte Ltd
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: kzone on December 03, 2012, 22:24
huh? take more than 2 mths to replace the microphone? that means they prioritise new production over existing customers. or maybe just over sg. not TEG's fault I guess.

some years back, my matrix tweeter was replaced by monsoon within 2 weeks. but the model was already out of production at that time.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: naglfar on December 03, 2012, 23:20
On TEG's website, it says that it is the sole distributor for B&W in Singapore and Malaysia. B&W products bought from TEG Sdn (M) Bhd - are their warranty supported within Singapore? I am thoroughly confused now.



Yes, I believe warranty is also covered by TEG in SG. This seems to be case of Miss Tan, apparently
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: heuer on December 04, 2012, 00:02
Surely you have demo or display unit right? Why not tear down from those unit and replace it for the affected person. Surely TEG should do an extra miles for your customer right, SG/MY market is damn small. Any substandard service will circulate within the community in no time. 2 months IMO is totally ridiculous by standard and from the description the speaker should be a 8 series and it is not cheap.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: ballhead on December 04, 2012, 07:45
I was asking a rhetorical question.  If the warranty support for TEG Malaysia or Singapore is not under a question mark, why should TEG be claiming credit for being generous by not "arguing" about warranty support for Malaysian products in Singapore.  It is an irrelevant defence and raising this does them no credit.


Yes, I believe warranty is also covered by TEG in SG. This seems to be case of Miss Tan, apparently
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on December 04, 2012, 22:00
Whilst I eagerly await the next part of this saga, I am also aware that Jason and co are putting their necks out by even visiting our forum.

How many others do so? It's a harsh world and joining a forum can mean being put on the firing line.

I know Sean from SLT / Oppo, Peng, Nic from Dynaudio, and Sammy from Sound Decisions. Not many offer advice on our forum or even answer questions, so I hope the open dialogue continues. Wiz is like our local Emotiva rep ;)

So TEG joins the ranks of a rare few who bother to post, even if some of the posts resemble ads.

See the silence from the reps of Usher, Mission, SVS, MA and so many others brands locally.

Let's see what happens.

As for ripping off Nautilus tweeters from demo pieces, I think I prefer a loan set than a rip off.... :)

As I had posted before, try asking some other dealers for a loan set whilst your speakers are being repaired... it's not that common practise to be honest.

However from a customer point of view, it's better to surprise me with the loan set up front than to have to suffer all this negative posts, then come up with a reply...

Food for thought for dealers who might be reading this...
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: chaotic on December 04, 2012, 22:24
While I didnt exactly send in a speaker for repair, I sent in a pair of earphones with intermittent sound issue probably due to wiring worn out from usage. The approval to do replacement from b&w took a little while but I like to thank TEG for replacing it for me. They could easily have said I damaged the wire from over usage but they were nice enough to replace it for me. Thanks. Made me a happy camper.

Sometimes the good service should be celebrated too, not just the bad service highlighted.

Btw, I do own b&w speakers too so I can post here.  :) just hope my speakers never need the service. Touchwood.  :)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on December 06, 2012, 20:40
Now, back to the regular programming...

I wonder how long do Diamond owners run in their speakers, and how much toe in do you do?

Cheers.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: DJQ on December 06, 2012, 23:46
Diamonds are forever.  :)
recently can see a few owners selling their 800 series....
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: alvy on December 10, 2012, 15:25
Sorry guys, one last post here.

It's the microphone like tweeter loh.
Common part mah, talk until like very huge part and affect the whole production. Wa lao eh.

You are lucky I choose to write here first instead of writing to B&W.

We have no interest in your in-house matters, so just do what ever you deems fit and do not need to report to us. LOL
Bottom line is 2 months is way to long with no response and you did acknowledge it.
My suggestion..
Maybe a SOP and lead time will be given to the owner if they wanted to repair ?

When I posted this, I do not intend to undermine nor "bad mouth" your reputation. You mentioned it yourself and it seems like you only "gan cheong" when your reputation is on the line ?
My intention is just to get you guys attention and get things done, if you want to think it the way you wanted. Let it be loh.

Your reputation will affect the rest of the B&W owner ? Seriously ???
Can I laugh on it ?

When my bro was in states for1 week last year more 1/2 yr ago, I managed to get B&W america to send him the full "microphone" as spare for my preloved 805s. it took 4 days from my online order to receipt of the item at his hotel. maybe because it is not a diamond.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: lowkenny on December 13, 2012, 09:34
Hi petetherock,

While there is no standard time line stated in the manual, on how long you will need to run in the speakers.  Based on my other customers comment on B&W speakers, it will require a week or 2 to allows the driver to "settle down".  But it will require more than that, this would depends on how frequent you do use the speakers. 

Mhh... I do remember that I use to get a burn in CD From XLO to help mine's to "run in or burn the drivers" :)


With the new diamond range, you would not need to toe in the speakers much as the new improved diamond tweeter are now giving much wide frequency dispersion area.  :)

Cheers,
Kenny.

Now, back to the regular programming...

I wonder how long do Diamond owners run in their speakers, and how much toe in do you do?

Cheers.

Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on December 13, 2012, 09:59
Thanks Kenny.
Right now I have toed them in a bit, about 20 degrees.
I think the bass is ok, but not a lot more than the 805s strangely..
It does reach down lower, and there is more scale...

Toeing in further helps for HT, but it makes it brighter than I like. And I prefer to sit higher than the tweeter, since it has an inherently bright sound, which I will be hoping to tame in the near future... Mcintosh amp perhaps?

Right now, the partnership with my MF A 5.5 is doing well, and the 250w stereo amp has a good grip and imaging.. will write more when it settles down and I have more time to listen..

My friend's dad is helping me to run in the speakers right now..
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: lowkenny on January 11, 2013, 16:45
Hello there and to all.

We have already gotten the B&W 800D2 setup together with the Classe CAM600 monoblocks in our showroom in Lavender !!

For those who are interested you could drop by to have a listen to it

Cheers.
Kenny Low.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: kzone on January 24, 2013, 06:50
never seen this for sale before! anyone grabbing this?? its not cheap but considering how much it goes for brand new and the rarity in the used market, this is a bargain!


 app.audiogon.com/listings/full-range-b-w-nautilus-the-shell-awesome-speaker-rare-never-on-ag-market-2013-01-14-speakers-asia  (http://app.audiogon.com/listings/full-range-b-w-nautilus-the-shell-awesome-speaker-rare-never-on-ag-market-2013-01-14-speakers-asia)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on January 30, 2013, 16:25
Pete,

Read your review and you are right, the 804 has heaps of detail, and I love details (warts and all).

I am using a power amp that is about 1/8th of the price of the 804. I am pretty satisfied (for now) but my friend commented that the 804 would perform better with a "better" amp. My take has been that the speakers determines the majority of the reproduced sound, followed by the source and then the amplification.

My next upgrade, when it comes, would be the amplifier. You can consider not going for a full system at one go, so that you can have your most preferred speakers and upgrade the rest of the chain when funds allow.

Leon

The 804D are more run in now, I sent you a pm about a demo during CNY when I am back.. let me know cheers...
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on February 12, 2013, 11:37
New review on the MT 60D system:
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/surround-sound-speaker-systems/surround-sound-speaker-systems-reviews/bowers-and-wilkins-mt-60d-speaker-system.html
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on March 12, 2013, 09:37
http://www.techradar.com/us/reviews/audio-visual/hi-fi-and-audio/hi-fi-and-av-speakers/bowers-wilkins-802-diamond-712676/review (http://www.techradar.com/us/reviews/audio-visual/hi-fi-and-audio/hi-fi-and-av-speakers/bowers-wilkins-802-diamond-712676/review)

New 802D review...



TechRadar rating4.5/5
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Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: joamonte on March 12, 2013, 23:35
Hello there and to all.

We have already gotten the B&W 800D2 setup together with the Classe CAM600 monoblocks in our showroom in Lavender !!

For those who are interested you could drop by to have a listen to it

Cheers.
Kenny Low.

No wonder the 800D only selling $12k USD in audiogon....

So 800D2 is out already...
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: travelfotografer on March 13, 2013, 13:20
The D2 refers to the current 800 Diamond Series (since year 2010), versus the previous series (released in year 2005) where only the 803 upwards have diamond dome tweeters.

To differentiate the diamond domed speakers between these two series, the year 2005 model is referred to as 800D, while the current year 2010 series is referred to as 800D2.

No wonder the 800D only selling $12k USD in audiogon....

So 800D2 is out already...
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: sevenz on March 16, 2013, 09:04
Hi guys! I just joined the b&w gang! haha... got a 705 a few months back with a rotel 1095 and there was no turning back ever since.

I am thinking of getting a B&W center speaker to match the timbre of my 705 fronts. Can seek everyone's kind advise which are the models of b&w centers that I should look out for (getting used set)? Thanks!  ;)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Rockyboy on March 16, 2013, 09:29
Just fix the M1 speakers and PV1D. Fantastic sound...
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on March 16, 2013, 09:31
You bought an older series, so there is no current model which matches the 705.
That means you just get something similar, eg the HTM4s if you can find one, or a new Diamond series.
Better not to buy a lesser series. The centre is vital in HT.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: kzone on March 16, 2013, 10:30
I think htm7 is the centre for 705, if u can find it on the resale market. HTM4 is better!
Agree with Pete on the centre.. in fact, at times, no centre is actually better than having a lower series centre.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: lowkenny on March 16, 2013, 12:36
Hi Sevenz,

To elaborate more on this, the center is primarily dedicated to the reproduction of the dialogue (voice) in a home thertre setup. This speaker is one of the key speakers in a surround sound system. Without it, you will no doubt always find the dialogue in movies and possibly even in music to be lacking.  :)

Hence I would said that you could consider to one for yourself, but then having said that the 700 series center speakers have been discontinued for quite sometimes back.  I would say that you could consider the HTM4D center speaker for it, if not you might want to consider the CM series center speaker such as the CMC. 
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: NCMK on March 16, 2013, 17:13
Hi guys! I just joined the b&w gang! haha... got a 705 a few months back with a rotel 1095 and there was no turning back ever since.

I am thinking of getting a B&W center speaker to match the timbre of my 705 fronts. Can seek everyone's kind advise which are the models of b&w centers that I should look out for (getting used set)? Thanks!  ;)

You need the HTM7 to match your 705.  Alternatively, can consider the HTM4S if you can still find on used market.

http://app.audiogon.com/listings/full-range-bowers-and-wilkins-b-w-htm7-center-channel-speaker-2013-03-12-speakers-49333
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bowers-Wilkins-HTM4S-B-W-HTM4S-Center-Speaker-Mint-In-Black-Ash-Finish-/261178774169?pt=Speakers_Subwoofers&hash=item3ccf77d299
http://www.ebay.com/itm/B-W-HTM-4S-Center-Channel-Speaker-/190811523448?pt=Speakers_Subwoofers&hash=item2c6d40c978
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: sevenz on March 17, 2013, 00:12
thanks for the advice NMCK, pete, kzone, kenny! Yes i was hunting ard for a used HTM7, but no luck yet.

Correct me if i'm wrong,
1) I shld get at least a CM series center right?
2) I shld not consider the 6 series center right as SQ may not match
2) Someone selling an old matrix centre for abt $700, but is it too old model? (http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/Downloads/Product/Archive/ENG_FT00012_Matrix-HTM_info_sheet.pdf)

May try to import HTM 7 from overseas if required.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: lowkenny on March 18, 2013, 17:53
Hello sevenz,

Yes, you will need to consider the CM series and above center speakers. I would not recommend to get the 600 series center speakers to go with the B&W 705 bookshelves.  The sound timbre matching would not be "as good" compare to the CM series and the 800 series as well.

By the way you could be import in a B&W HTM7 for yourself, but then it would not be covered under warranty.  Hence it would be better to make a purchase on the new B&W HTM4D from us, it would carries a 5 years warranty. 

Cheers
Kenny Low

thanks for the advice NMCK, pete, kzone, kenny! Yes i was hunting ard for a used HTM7, but no luck yet.

Correct me if i'm wrong,
1) I shld get at least a CM series center right?
2) I shld not consider the 6 series center right as SQ may not match
2) Someone selling an old matrix centre for abt $700, but is it too old model? (http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/Downloads/Product/Archive/ENG_FT00012_Matrix-HTM_info_sheet.pdf)

May try to import HTM 7 from overseas if required.



Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: calebraj on March 18, 2013, 17:56
thanks for the advice NMCK, pete, kzone, kenny! Yes i was hunting ard for a used HTM7, but no luck yet.

Correct me if i'm wrong,
1) I shld get at least a CM series center right?
2) I shld not consider the 6 series center right as SQ may not match
2) Someone selling an old matrix centre for abt $700, but is it too old model? (http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/Downloads/Product/Archive/ENG_FT00012_Matrix-HTM_info_sheet.pdf)

May try to import HTM 7 from overseas if required.

Very hard to find HTM 7 my friend.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: kzone on March 18, 2013, 17:59
before getting anything below HTM7, better AB with & without centre..
I'm selling off my centre cos it sounds much better with phantom centre mode. Voices goes down very deep, soundstage deepens and L-R panning is much smoother.. without centre also allows me to lower the screen further.. which is better visually and also sonically as its more aligned to the LR speakers so sounds seems to be coming out fm the screen.

The only thing I loose out is when sitting at the side, the vocals seems to be from the speaker nearer to u rather than fm the centre.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: lowkenny on March 18, 2013, 18:25
I would said that with a center speaker in, it would benefits to those who are sitting away from the center spot. 

You will then be able to focus in the image in the center,  and if you got to use a center speaker it needs to be as good as possible, again this is where all the dialogues comes from.   
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: kzone on March 18, 2013, 18:38
Lowkenny, which B&W centre speaker is able to produce sounds that seems to come from behind the speakers/screen? I find generally its easier to get this recessed soundstage fm main speakers but rarely (not never) have I heard centre speakers able to do that. After listening to a phantom centre, I find it irritating that the sound fm the centre is too direct and lacking in depth.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: 2511-nerds on March 18, 2013, 18:54
Lowkenny, which B&W centre speaker is able to produce sounds that seems to come from behind the speakers/screen? I find generally its easier to get this recessed soundstage fm main speakers but rarely (not never) have I heard centre speakers able to do that. After listening to a phantom centre, I find it irritating that the sound fm the centre is too direct and lacking in depth.
That requires a good centre speaker and a good fine tuning of the levels on AV amp right?
Also to consider, is the timbre of the sound between left/right and centre together...
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: kzone on March 18, 2013, 19:04
Probably a good centre and avr/processor, room treatment as well.. Tuning of level alone is not sufficient.
Absolute timbre matching is even more difficult unless u use identical speakers for ur front 3. B&W kind of do that for the x05 bookshelves n the matching centre.

Too much to consider and do to achieve good result for a centre, not to mention the costs. All dat mainly for the benefit for those sitting too much to the side. Dats y I suggested to do AB without one before buying.

Btw, r u fm TEG?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: chaozhoi on March 18, 2013, 20:10
i almost bought a used htm7 from echoloft 2 months ago. Deal didn't go thru because my rack is not high enough for the htm7. Any recommendation of center speaker matching my 804s with height <8"?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: 2511-nerds on March 19, 2013, 12:13
Probably a good centre and avr/processor, room treatment as well.. Tuning of level alone is not sufficient.
Absolute timbre matching is even more difficult unless u use identical speakers for ur front 3. B&W kind of do that for the x05 bookshelves n the matching centre.

Too much to consider and do to achieve good result for a centre, not to mention the costs. All dat mainly for the benefit for those sitting too much to the side. Dats y I suggested to do AB without one before buying.

Btw, r u fm TEG?

Someone told me as a rule of thumb, getting a series higher than your left/right speakers from the same manufacturer would match it nice in the timbre (or closest it can get). Not sure how true can that be. Like the DM 602 S3 that i have, i sort of got the CM Centre and it sounded good, as well as the timbre sounds right, despite it is slightly more forward, as i liked it.

I have no relation to TEG my friend, only a humble user of the brand as it is to me, the easiest to listen to speakers compared to  Tannoy speakers that i used to own before that.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: lowkenny on March 19, 2013, 23:03
Lowkenny, which B&W centre speaker is able to produce sounds that seems to come from behind the speakers/screen? I find generally its easier to get this recessed soundstage fm main speakers but rarely (not never) have I heard centre speakers able to do that. After listening to a phantom centre, I find it irritating that the sound fm the centre is too direct and lacking in depth.

I would say now is that sevenz s looking for a center speaker to "match" his 705.  But he did not mentioned anything on if the center speaker will be able to produce the kind of sounding which you have described earlier.

By the way sound can be very subjective, if you like the kind of Phantom center sounding, this does not means that the other individual would like the same kind of sounding which you prefer.

By the way, sevenz if you wanted to drop by to our showroom to have an audition on any of the center speakers, please do let me know in advance.

Set me aside a personal which representing B&W and The Experts Group, I would very much incline to the performance of my B&W CMC2 which I matched with my B&W CM9's. 

But then again, my cousin would like to match his CM9's with a HTM61. 



From sevenz
Hi guys! I just joined the b&w gang! haha... got a 705 a few months back with a rotel 1095 and there was no turning back ever since.

I am thinking of getting a B&W center speaker to match the timbre of my 705 fronts. Can seek everyone's kind advise which are the models of b&w centers that I should look out for (getting used set)? Thanks! 
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: kzone on March 19, 2013, 23:41
By the way sound can be very subjective

Totally agree, hence :

before getting anything below HTM7, better AB with & without centre..

and

Dats y I suggested to do AB without one before buying.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: sevenz on March 20, 2013, 20:22
thanks guys! =) looks like hv to b patient to look for used set then. Or break the bank n visit kenny. haha  ;D
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Ratatouille on March 20, 2013, 21:56
Totally agree, hence :

and


haha i like your posting style. for sure lip stuck.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: lowkenny on March 20, 2013, 22:12
thanks guys! =) looks like hv to b patient to look for used set then. Or break the bank n visit kenny. haha  ;D

I would prefer you to break the bank and pay a visit to our showroom.. LOLX.. 

Then we could try out with and without center speakers.

Psst.. most of my customer's would prefer with center speakers.. Just a matter of which particular one will suits you.. :p
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: sevenz on April 20, 2013, 10:34
thanks for all the advice everyone! Got myself a used LCR600 S3 at the moment while searching for used HTM7 or HTM4S. Timbre & tonality match better for bluray concerts and bluray music now. But not exactly the same.

There is a HTM7 from USA at about SGD700-800 w shipping. Can I ask if this is a reasonable price considering the risks from getting abroad?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on April 21, 2013, 13:39
You can read more at the buying overseas thread in planet general.
But why not pay more and source for a local speaker?
You lose money buying and selling, so do it right do it once.
The HTM 7 is also an older model.

You are better off looking for a HTM 4s locally.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on June 09, 2013, 21:44
Check out this baby...
http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/Car_Audio/Maserati/805-Maserati-Edition.html

A real beauty...

(http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/Images/AdminGallery/component_j1_stand.jpg)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: chaozhoi on June 09, 2013, 21:58
Check out this baby...
http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/Car_Audio/Maserati/805-Maserati-Edition.html

A real beauty...

(http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/Images/AdminGallery/component_j1_stand.jpg)


omg.. i'm in love~~
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: chase78 on June 10, 2013, 11:47
The "spoltchy" wood pattern / paneling is very beautiful.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: chaozhoi on June 10, 2013, 23:34
Is that Bird's Eye Maple?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on June 18, 2013, 23:53
More on the Maserati Edition..

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/speakers/bookshelf/bowers-wilkins-805-maserati
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: dXter on June 19, 2013, 10:04
http://www.stereophile.com/content/maserati-and-bw-pimp-each-others-rides
Quote
In a short interview, Danny Haikin, Director of Brand Management at B&W, described how the B&W and Maserati relationship developed. Maserati was looking to improve their automobile’s sound, disappointed with their previous partner. Upon discussions with B&W, the two companies felt they shared much in common. B&W designed the speakers and sent blueprints to Harman in the United States to build. Audio processing is provided by Harman’s QuantumLogic Surround Sound. The B&W car audio system is currently available in the Quattroporte and Ghibli but will be in all Maserati cars in the near future.

As part of their continuing partnership, B&W and Maserati redesigned the B&W 805D loudspeaker with elements of the Maserati car interior. The outer speaker cabinet is finished with a bird’s eye maple real wood veneer like Maserati woodgrain panels. Black Italian leather lines the front baffle, and a Maserati trident logo is emblazoned on the speaker’s feet. The B&W 805 Maserati Edition will cost approximately $10,000 per pair. The standard 805D costs $5000 per pair. “This is the same speaker as the 805D, sonically speaking,” Haikin advised. You don't get better sound for the money, but you do get exclusivity. The B&W 805 Maserati Edition will be available by November 2013 on a limited basis through select dealers.

B&W and Maserati plan on releasing a P5 Maserati Edition headphone by the end of 2013.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: 2511-nerds on June 20, 2013, 14:03
Wah, imagine the P5 Headphone with that kind of finish as they come out, surely a collector's item! :o
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on July 11, 2013, 21:53
http://www.whathifi.com/news/bw-launches-flagship-cm10-floorstanding-speaker-for-%C2%A32999-a-pair (http://www.whathifi.com/news/bw-launches-flagship-cm10-floorstanding-speaker-for-%C2%A32999-a-pair)

http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/Speakers/Home_Audio/CM_Series/CM10.html

New CM 10, with a 800 series-esque tweeter...

(http://www.whathifi.com/sites/whathifi.com/files/images/b-and-w/BowersWilkins-CM10b.jpg)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on July 13, 2013, 10:54

B&W Product Manager Andy Kerr explains why the tweeter-on-top technology together with new tweeter design and three bass drivers represent a new high for the CM series:

http://blog.bowers-wilkins.com/speakers/cm10-a-new-tweeter/
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: travelfotografer on September 02, 2013, 15:22
Kalman Rubinson of Stereophile reviews the Bowers & Wilkins 804 Diamond loudspeaker: http://www.stereophile.com/content/bowers-amp-wilkins-804-diamond-loudspeaker
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on September 02, 2013, 15:46
Kalman Rubinson of Stereophile reviews the Bowers & Wilkins 804 Diamond loudspeaker: http://www.stereophile.com/content/bowers-amp-wilkins-804-diamond-loudspeaker

Interesting that it was described as laid back - a UK review of the same speaker talks about a bright treble?
I tend to think my own 804D has a slight bright slant...
That's why I have been looking for a nice warm Marantz or Mac MC 303 to partner with it?

Actually when it was used with my MF A 5.5 during the recent shootout, no one thought of this pairing as bright... perhaps it's my own perception...
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: DJQ on September 02, 2013, 23:10
Finally they made a wider base plate to stable their floorstanders. :)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: lowkenny on September 03, 2013, 18:31
Hi All,

We are glad to announce that we have gotten the B&W CM10 demo unit in our showroom for audition, This is a new launch of a tower speakers for the CM range. A bit of short introduction on the new B&W CM10:

The CM10 breaks from the basic design of the rest of the CM range featuring a "tweeter on Top" design more familiar with the 800 series.  Highs are very natural yet never have an irritating edge.  Sensitivity has also increased, so you’ll find the CM10 to be extremely dynamic.

By adopting this approach B&W have been able to incorporate a decoupled FST midrange unit and three bass units to provide high output and clean, tight and extended bass.

The tweeter itself has also been extensively reworked drawing on the experience gained whilst developing the PM1 loudspeaker, so it now features a second skin of aluminium around the edge allowing the tweeter to remain "in shape" at higher frequencies.

The combination of all these improvements culminates in a loudspeaker that not only plays louder and deeper than the CM9 but one that remains in control and resolves more detail

For those who are interested to audition the new B&W CM 10, please do drop by to our showroom which is located at:

161 Lavender Street
#01-02/03/04 Lavender Place
Singapore 338750

You can look for Mr Jamal or Mr Kenny (System Consultant) to discuss more on this new B&W CM 10

Regards,

The Experts Group Pte Ltd / TEG Sdn Bhd
Sole Distributor for B&W, Classe, Rotel, Arcam, BDI, Ultralink, XLO and Xantech - Singapore, Malaysia and Brunei
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Reseller – AMX, Abbey Road Cables , Yamaha, Olive Music Server,Various Projectors
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Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: altis72 on November 27, 2013, 16:19
Found this in the latest issue of the Thai Audiophile magazine. Not sure if its a limited edition worldwide or Thailand?

(http://i40.tinypic.com/143idtx.jpg)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: travelfotografer on November 27, 2013, 16:27
Is it just me... it reminds me of a zebra crossing...

sorry this color scheme does not work for me.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: dXter on November 27, 2013, 22:28
If they put bamboos in the background, it will be panda edition. ;D
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: jasonteong on November 27, 2013, 23:08
Hi,
Perhaps allow me to clarify - For a premium over its usual retail price, you can have 800 Diamond or even 802 Diamond customised to your favourite (single) color.  The leadtime is 4 to 6 months to have this done, partly due to the need to confirm the color with the customer.

Thanks
Jason Teong
GM
The Experts Group

PS: Personally I think the white 800 Diamond looks "off".
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: travelfotografer on November 28, 2013, 17:04
So this is like what B&W offer (as part of the price) for the Nautilus speaker.

Smart move by B&W: potential to attract customers with unique needs, no alienation of regular customers, no major disruption to current production processes.

Wonder how the 802/800 will look like in Ferrari Red...

Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on January 16, 2014, 12:41
http://www.soundandvision.com/content/bowers-wilkins-cm10-loudspeaker

 AT A GLANCE
Plus
Precise, lifelike imaging Intimate vocal sound Well-defined and satisfying bass
Minus
Midrange slightly constricted

THE VERDICT
One of the best sub-$5K speakers you can buy

That's the US price :)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on February 11, 2014, 20:54
New B&W 6xx series :
http://blog.bowers-wilkins.com/speakers/home-theatre/performance-for-all-introducing-the-new-600-series/
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on February 22, 2014, 09:57
New B&W 6xx series :
http://blog.bowers-wilkins.com/speakers/home-theatre/performance-for-all-introducing-the-new-600-series/

In US Dollars:
683 floorstander: from $1500/pair to $1650/pair
684 floorstander: from $1100/pair to $1150/pair
HTM61 center: from $650 to $750
HTM62 center: from $425 to $450
685 bookshelf: from $650/pr to $700/pr
686 bookshelf: $480/pr to $550/pr


Let's see what our local prices are like...
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Rockyboy on February 24, 2014, 08:44
Darn.. my PV1D just died on me... Making thumbing noise every second when switched on. Cannot reset, or communicate with the my PC.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: audiokit on February 25, 2014, 23:46
New B&W 6xx series :
http://blog.bowers-wilkins.com/speakers/home-theatre/performance-for-all-introducing-the-new-600-series/

Any major improvement from the current 6xx series?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on February 26, 2014, 07:34
Any major improvement from the current 6xx series?
I guess you have to audition them when the local reps bring them in. No idea on when that will be bro so do check with them ..
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: cstanxpl on March 04, 2014, 18:28
WHF? 685 S2 review

http://www.whathifi.com/review/685-s2
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: pcie on March 10, 2014, 23:04
there's a new B&W shop at Millenia Walk (took over the previous Apple Store)

does it belong to The Expert Group too?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Quest on March 11, 2014, 13:16
there's a new B&W shop at Millenia Walk (took over the previous Apple Store)

does it belong to The Expert Group too?
Yes
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on March 29, 2014, 00:53
805D and HTM4D reviewed:
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/bookshelf-speakers/bookshelf-speakers/b-w-805-diamond-bookshelf-and-htm4-center-channel-speakers.html
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: yongkg on March 30, 2014, 10:29
Hi, has anyone tested the 600 series S2 model ? thank you.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: c722 on March 30, 2014, 11:48
805D and HTM4D reviewed:
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/bookshelf-speakers/bookshelf-speakers/b-w-805-diamond-bookshelf-and-htm4-center-channel-speakers.html


He crossover his 805 at 40hz only ;) exactly the same as I do :)
These 805s are explicitly built to sound as if it has more bass than it should, and therefore is better to let it flaunt it as designed.
After the years I cannot say it sounds totally accurate, but I certainly like it that way
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: HT102 on March 30, 2014, 17:20
These 805s are explicitly built to sound as if it has more bass than it should, and therefore is better to let it flaunt it as designed.
After the years I cannot say it sounds totally accurate, but I certainly like it that way

+1. After all these years, my speakers still sound great. In fact, they performed even better when they are driven by a MF M3i I bought recently. :)

I have a neighbour who had the luxury of owning both 805s and 805D. They eventually sold the newer pair as they prefer the sound of 805s.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: crazysurfer on March 30, 2014, 20:25
+1. After all these years, my speakers still sound great. In fact, they performed even better when they are driven by a MF M3i I bought recently. :)

I have a neighbour who had the luxury of owning both 805s and 805D. They eventually sold the newer pair as they prefer the sound of 805s.

A 4 mth old pair of the latest 805 Diamond was just recently sold for under S$5K with the Original B&W Stands too.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: DizzyD on April 08, 2014, 11:12
Trying to learn more on B&W. Reason is I find that the 804 Diamond is a very very beautiful speakers.  ;D

What is the difference between 805S and 805D?

Thanks
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on April 10, 2014, 09:50
Sale is on 9- 14 April..
 
(https://us-mg6.mail.yahoo.com/ya/download?mid=2%5f0%5f0%5f1%5f2212677%5fAJrmjkQAABXuU0QLFAdqcNZ2500&pid=2&fid=Inbox&inline=1&appid=yahoomail)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: j4m35 on April 10, 2014, 09:56
What is the difference between 805S and 805D?

805S uses an aluminum tweeter, whilst 805D uses a diamond substrate tweeter.

According to the spec sheets the 805D tweeter can reproduce frequencies up to 40kHz+ whilst the 805S tweeter reproduces frequencies up to 20kHz+.

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Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: altis72 on April 11, 2014, 11:38
(http://i60.tinypic.com/34y91xs.jpg)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: chaozhoi on April 11, 2014, 14:42
$500 demo fees?  :o :o
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: NADtune on April 11, 2014, 15:24
$500 demo fees?  :o :o

Faint~ Like that oso can...

Anyway any B&W bros here know how to slide back the tweeter housing for 805N as I just change a new tweet housing but can't seem to slide back the tweeter housing to the bracket below.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: wolverine-x on May 07, 2014, 21:05
Hi guys,

I bought a pair of B&W CM5 speakers about a month ago but I only get to fix them up 2 days ago as my turntable and amplifier just arrived. While the guys who set up my turntable and amplifier to the speakers, they are unable to plug in the banana plugs into the speaker jackets. It seems like the hole is too small and does not match with the banana plugs. Anyone know such issue? I have feedback to E77 and they told me to bring the speakers and cables down.... really troublesome and I need to pack up the speakers again.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Epicure2 on May 07, 2014, 21:12
Hi guys,

I bought a pair of B&W CM5 speakers about a month ago but I only get to fix them up 2 days ago as my turntable and amplifier just arrived. While the guys who set up my turntable and amplifier to the speakers, they are unable to plug in the banana plugs into the speaker jackets. It seems like the hole is too small and does not match with the banana plugs. Anyone know such issue? I have feedback to E77 and they told me to bring the speakers and cables down.... really troublesome and I need to pack up the speakers again.

Very troublesome to bring the speakers down to the showroom.  How about trying your banana plugs on their display set.  My view only.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on May 07, 2014, 21:19
I hope you removed the plug in the centre of the binding post?

I have no issue with my rather huge banana plug on my 804D. I use locking plugs, and I need to loosen it to fit.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: wolverine-x on May 07, 2014, 21:20
Very troublesome to bring the speakers down to the showroom.  How about trying your banana plugs on their display set.  My view only.

I am only afraid that the problem lies with the jackets and not the banana plugs. The plugs can be fit onto the amplifier but not on the speakers, kinda strange. Could there be a different size of jackets that were fixed onto the speakers?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: wolverine-x on May 07, 2014, 21:23
I hope you removed the plug in the centre of the binding post?

I have no issue with my rather huge banana plug on my 804D. I use locking plugs, and I need to loosen it to fit.

Yes. The rubber caps (black and red) have been removed. Do you need to apply a great force to plug the banana plugs into your 804D?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: travelfotografer on May 07, 2014, 22:00
I had 804D and now 802D. Normal force should do it, no great force needed.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: wolverine-x on May 07, 2014, 22:19
I had 804D and now 802D. Normal force should do it, no great force needed.

I tried again.... By turning the plug while using more force to plug it in at the same time, it works already. I am a newbie and I guess I am really an idiot to the audio system  :-[
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: crazysurfer on May 07, 2014, 23:34
I tried again.... By turning the plug while using more force to plug it in at the same time, it works already. I am a newbie and I guess I am really an idiot to the audio system  :-[

A newbie starting off with a B&W CM5. What a great choice.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: charvin83 on May 26, 2014, 12:24
Guys,

Do u have any info on the current promotion for MT50D and MT60D?

Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: yongkg on May 26, 2014, 22:53
hi,just got 683 S2 last week, running in at the moment.

much improvement from my mission i34 floorstander, much clarity  but a wee bit bright at the moment.
 
running by belden 1312A bi-wired speaker cable, whether another other type of 'budget' speaker cable will make the sound 'warmer'?

thnks
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on May 26, 2014, 22:55
I use QED XT 300, all copper cables. <$30/m.
Also search on XP for other recommendations.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: yongkg on May 26, 2014, 23:01
I use QED XT 300, all copper cables. <$30/m.
Also search on XP for other recommendations.

thnks, pete. where can i source for QED XT 300 speaker cable (whether normal or bi-wired) ?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on May 27, 2014, 13:48
Adelphi.
KEC, Seng Heng etc etc..
Or go online.
thnks, pete. where can i source for QED XT 300 speaker cable (whether normal or bi-wired) ?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: racs on July 06, 2014, 22:17
So any reviews for the 683 s2? :) and whats the price now?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: yongkg on July 12, 2014, 09:36
So any reviews for the 683 s2? :) and whats the price now?

There's What Hifi's review and its a very favourable review but locally, the price is much controlled by the Distributor / Authorised Dealer.

Take an audition to gauge its whether to your liking ? Cheers  :)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on September 07, 2014, 08:30
New CM6 s2...
http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/bw-cm6-s2-sneak-preview/
Nice wood finish..
But

That tweeter on top design might mean it won't appeal to those looking to place an ATMOS speaker on top :)

(http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/webkit-fake-url://4D30EFD7-EA4B-4794-8035-68D767DF3C2C/imagejpeg)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Yummyyumi on September 07, 2014, 09:45
Just got a pair of B&W PM1 with stands,

2 surround 600 series
1 htm matrix.
Need recommendation on which speaker cable to use.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: francis wu on September 07, 2014, 10:16
I m getting some Cables for a friend,  let me by pm what u need

Sent from my vivo Xplay3S using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on September 07, 2014, 13:32
Just got a pair of B&W PM1 with stands,

2 surround 600 series
1 htm matrix.
Need recommendation on which speaker cable to use.

That's a very vague question and you won't get real replies.
Budget, sonic signature etc etc.

How about $35/m for QED Revelations? I use these..
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Yummyyumi on September 07, 2014, 14:11
I think that's about right for me..

Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on October 16, 2014, 15:00
(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x244/petetherock/Hi%20Fi/1413442583_zps1d3bc055.jpg) (http://s183.photobucket.com/user/petetherock/media/Hi%20Fi/1413442583_zps1d3bc055.jpg.html)

Stay tuned for a review soon... running in whilst doing some renovations...

:)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: DJQ on October 16, 2014, 15:13
haha. you been always a B&W fan huh. nice.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on October 16, 2014, 16:03
haha. you been always a B&W fan huh. nice.
Actually I have owned lots of speakers, Dynaudio included.
What is important is good sound, and good looks help too.

They have a new CM series, so I will give the CM 10 a try when it comes out, and the centre, and maybe use that with a new Atmos setup in my mum's home, whilst retaining my 804D setup in my current home..
Will see what TEG offers..
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: DJQ on October 16, 2014, 23:43
same here, but I see you more with B&W nowadays. I looking to get my bro in law a bookshelf speaker for his new flat.
Hmm prices are steep I guess.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: ianlee on October 17, 2014, 13:08
Dear all B&W owners  :D,

Wah can see all your enthusiasm here over B&Ws!

Ian here  :)
Main hall system: RegaRP6, VitusRI100(coming to replace CyrusPreVS2/8Power), B&W804D.
Bedroom system: CyrusCD8, Audiolab8000S, Harbeth SuperHL5plus.

Great to join in, seems like Petetherock is our spirited leader!!!


Dear friends,
I would like to ask all of you for your opinion on the general audiophile and hifi shop owners view of B&W.

After dwelling in Adelphi and talking to many hifi shop owners, I do get a feel that they tend to look down on B&W.  They look and talk to you (a B&W owner) in a way that says that,
1. you are the typical uninformed customer who didn't trust your ears, and didn't read enough hiend, didn't audition around enough,
2. you are easily mesmerized by commercialized marketing, and whathifi stars,
3. and just going with what is mainstream and popular,

That is why I feel Petetherock is great because he has been using many other types of speakers, and have auditioned many other brands of speakers, and is not afraid to speak up to say that he chose B&W and is confident about their great sonic capabilities.

I get the feeling that if you are using Focal, Usher, ATC, AudioNote, Revel, Avalon, Devore, Sonus, Charios, Vienna Acoustics, Thiels, etc, you are more COOL and more a true audiophile THAN a person who has chose a highly commercialized B&W (even if your B&W model is more expensive than their speakers).

 :) What do you all think? Had similar experiences? Thank you dear brothers.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Quest on October 17, 2014, 13:15
After dwelling in Adelphi and talking to many hifi shop owners, I do get a feel that they tend to look down on B&W.  They look and talk to you (a B&W owner) in a way that says that,
1. you are the typical uninformed customer who didn't trust your ears, and didn't read enough hiend, didn't audition around enough,
2. you are easily mesmerized by commercialized marketing, and whathifi stars,
3. and just going with what is mainstream and popular,

I wonder why you think that.. it almost sounds like I am reading about Bose.

Everyone has their own feelings towards different brands, and sometimes it has to do with the local pricing, certain products or the showroom as well. It is not a single dimension view. Not all brands have good local representation, nor do all their products sound great.

I would like to think that true audiophiles are not 'gear seekers' and it doesn't matter what equipment you have as long as you can attain good sound. If you want to get other people's approval on your purchase, then you may be going on the wrong path.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on October 17, 2014, 13:29
Agree with Quest.
I don't buy for the cool factor ..
I don't need to drum up support for any brand ..
Otherwise I will be supporting so many brands.
No we buy what we like and enjoy it.
Different speakers work for different people and that's fine.
Enjoy your 804d.

I think we share about what we like but there's no need to put down other brands.
Cheers
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: ianlee on October 17, 2014, 13:48
Thank you QUEST and PETETHEROCK,

I totally agree with you both  :D , and I don't care about what the hifi shop owners view on my B&W.

I also see no point telling most of them about my own satisfaction with my B&W.  They already looked down on it.  No point changing their perception  :)

To me,
My B&W sound amazing and SATISFYING.

They give me a smile everytime I load in a Cincinnati Pops Orchestra Telarc vinyl, Wham vinyl, Diana Krall Halie Loren vinyls, or Daft Punk Bruno Mars vinyl.

 :D

Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: seagull on October 17, 2014, 16:10
I get the feeling that if you are using Focal, Usher, ATC, AudioNote, Revel, Avalon, Devore, Sonus, Charios, Vienna Acoustics, Thiels, etc, you are more COOL and more a true audiophile THAN a person who has chose a highly commercialized B&W (even if your B&W model is more expensive than their speakers).
[/quote]
This appears to be about consumers perception behind the branding.
In similar veins, which would you think is cooler, assuming similar range price:
(1) a Rolex, Panerai or U-boat watch
(2) a Mercedez, B&W or Audi car
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: heuer on October 17, 2014, 16:31
Dear all B&W owners  :D,

Wah can see all your enthusiasm here over B&Ws!

Ian here  :)
Main hall system: RegaRP6, VitusRI100(coming to replace CyrusPreVS2/8Power), B&W804D.
Bedroom system: CyrusCD8, Audiolab8000S, Harbeth SuperHL5plus.

Great to join in, seems like Petetherock is our spirited leader!!!


Dear friends,
I would like to ask all of you for your opinion on the general audiophile and hifi shop owners view of B&W.

After dwelling in Adelphi and talking to many hifi shop owners, I do get a feel that they tend to look down on B&W.  They look and talk to you (a B&W owner) in a way that says that,
1. you are the typical uninformed customer who didn't trust your ears, and didn't read enough hiend, didn't audition around enough,
2. you are easily mesmerized by commercialized marketing, and whathifi stars,
3. and just going with what is mainstream and popular,

That is why I feel Petetherock is great because he has been using many other types of speakers, and have auditioned many other brands of speakers, and is not afraid to speak up to say that he chose B&W and is confident about their great sonic capabilities.

I get the feeling that if you are using Focal, Usher, ATC, AudioNote, Revel, Avalon, Devore, Sonus, Charios, Vienna Acoustics, Thiels, etc, you are more COOL and more a true audiophile THAN a person who has chose a highly commercialized B&W (even if your B&W model is more expensive than their speakers).

 :) What do you all think? Had similar experiences? Thank you dear brothers.


If by what you mentioned "My B&W sound amazing and SATISFYING."  just be happy with it. I have no idea why are you so bothered by people comment? End of the day it's your money and you make the choice, hifi is rather personal as long you get the sound thats good enough. Honestly i cant be bothered with those people out there telling me oh A is better than B, C is not as good as D.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: abc on October 17, 2014, 16:43
自己花钱自己爽。 This is all i can comment. Whether B&W is overprice,overhype or simply cannot make it. You be surprised to know some so called branded speaker out there using crap drivers and x-over material. So in this aspect B&W isn't the worse among the lot as compered to those.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: watchdog on October 17, 2014, 17:04
I think it is simple. Hi-fi shop owners are divided into two sorts - the professional and unprofessional. The latter will criticize and run down any speaker which they don't sell.

If you have heard the speakers on your list (which you consider to be perceived as more cool), and prefer your choice of B&W, I don't see anything wrong with that. You will be living with your choice, not the dealer. BTW, have you heard any of the speakers on your list ?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: ianlee on October 17, 2014, 17:17
Dear Heuer and Watchdog  :) ,

Thank you for all your replies!

In my 1st post earlier, I was only asking for other B&W brothers'here for any of their similar feel and feedback in their experiences.  I never said I am bothered by these hifi shop owners :-).  Just interested to know what you guys have experienced.
Btw, I have humbly heard avalons, focals, thiels, charios, etc.




Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: ianlee on October 17, 2014, 17:20
自己花钱自己爽。 This is all i can comment. Whether B&W is overprice,overhype or simply cannot make it. You be surprised to know some so called branded speaker out there using crap drivers and x-over material. So in this aspect B&W isn't the worse among the lot as compered to those.

Wow BAT user.  Brother, if got time, I go listen to your system with the impressive 802D.

Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on October 17, 2014, 20:02
Often times our speaker choice is influenced by price, eg Monitor Audio makes as decent stuff as other brands, but they do well because the local price was lower or as low as the UK listed prices.
B&W gets more stick for daring to price their wares higher, and this can infuriate the buyer looking for a well-reviewed speaker at a bargain price.

Anyhow, E77 is having a sale this weekend, just look for details in their ad in the papers today.

There are many speakers which are good, just try them, and if they suit, sound good with your own equipment, then it's all good.

That's why an audition is always a good idea.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on October 22, 2014, 00:31
More pics...

Just tried the CM 6 in HT, it combines pretty well with the HTM4 as a front pair..

(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x244/petetherock/Hi%20Fi/1413908688_zpsd7b56ccb.jpg) (http://s183.photobucket.com/user/petetherock/media/Hi%20Fi/1413908688_zpsd7b56ccb.jpg.html)

(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x244/petetherock/Hi%20Fi/1413908683_zps0fb75a41.jpg) (http://s183.photobucket.com/user/petetherock/media/Hi%20Fi/1413908683_zps0fb75a41.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: chaotic on October 22, 2014, 07:22
Looks good! I ordered one CM6 finally so excited for its arrival too.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: lowkenny on October 23, 2014, 16:17
More pics...

Just tried the CM 6 in HT, it combines pretty well with the HTM4 as a front pair..

(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x244/petetherock/Hi%20Fi/1413908688_zpsd7b56ccb.jpg) (http://s183.photobucket.com/user/petetherock/media/Hi%20Fi/1413908688_zpsd7b56ccb.jpg.html)

Wow!! Is that the creamy Bokeh effects??.. and a sharp image of the:
Decoupled Double Dome Aluminium Tweeter On Top the CM6 S2!!  Dual layer aluminium dome are used in all the CM S2 range of speakers, giving all listener a cleaner, sweeter and much refine HF performance compare to the old CM series.

By the way will be getting all demo's in very soon.. So stay tuned in here. We will update again

Regards
The Experts Group Pte Ltd
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: lowkenny on October 23, 2014, 17:45
Looks good! I ordered one CM6 finally so excited for its arrival too.

Gotta add in Sound's Great, Looks good! which is why you gotten a pair for yourself. :)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on October 28, 2014, 20:07
Answering a pm here
(as always, post instead of sending a pm - cheers)

Quote
I have recently acquired the B&W 805D and must say they are a fine pair of speakers.  For the center speaker, will the HTM2D be too much for 805D or you think it is better to step down to HTM4D instead?

For HT, do you recommend I go for 803/4D and the use the 805D for surround?

If the 805Ds are your fronts the HTM4 works. If you have space, the HTM2 will sound more expansive.
I think you should audition both 804 and 803, for pure HT, the difference may not be a lot, since the lower octaves are covered by the sub.
If you can afford to use the 805 as a surround sure, why not?

Cheers

PS: the HTM2D is like the 804D on it's side, so a rather impressive but large centre...
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: crazysurfer on October 28, 2014, 20:47
How much is the HTM2D compared to the HTM4D?

If not much then rather pay a bit more and go for the 2D.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: lowkenny on November 21, 2014, 14:37
Hi crazysurfer,

Ehh.. I think would not be good for me to post the price in here.. I will pm you the price. Check ya PM :)

Actually in order to "match" the center speakers to the FL and FR,  I would always reco my customer to consider a 3 way center to a 3 way F/L and F/R, (Ex: CM9 S2 with the CMC2 S2) (CM6S S2 with the CMC S2)  but sometimes you know lah.. wife say wow.. center soo big.. no no no.. Cannot..  then boh bian lor.. have to get something smaller. :)

But I have some customer would like to get a 3 way center speaker to "match" their 2 way F/L and F/R
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: crazysurfer on November 22, 2014, 10:34
Hi crazysurfer,

Ehh.. I think would not be good for me to post the price in here.. I will pm you the price. Check ya PM :)

Actually in order to "match" the center speakers to the FL and FR,  I would always reco my customer to consider a 3 way center to a 3 way F/L and F/R, (Ex: CM9 S2 with the CMC2 S2) (CM6S S2 with the CMC S2)  but sometimes you know lah.. wife say wow.. center soo big.. no no no.. Cannot..  then boh bian lor.. have to get something smaller. :)

But I have some customer would like to get a 3 way center speaker to "match" their 2 way F/L and F/R

Thanks Kenny, replied your PM. Hope to hear something positive from your reply for me to post here again.

Looks like its double the price between the 2D & 4D so do choose wisely and consider Kenny's recommendations above.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: lowkenny on November 26, 2014, 15:16
Hi crazysurfer,

Glad that you have made a purchase on the B&W HTM2D.  Hope you enjoy it, opsss.. waiting for delivery :)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: crazysurfer on November 26, 2014, 20:45
Hi crazysurfer,

Glad that you have made a purchase on the B&W HTM2D.  Hope you enjoy it, opsss.. waiting for delivery :)

Grab the last piece available to complete my Trio since TEG now accepts Trade-In of Speakers and Henry sweetened the deal slightly. :)

Unfortunately, what spoils it is the fact that the delivery takes more than a week for this In-Stock item despite me having to pay a hefty delivery fee but yet not being able to accede to my flexible delivery request to make this simple Drop & Go delivery for this single item on 2 alternative weekdays really is disappointing especially coming from a Singapore Service Star Recipient.  :o

Hope TEG can improve on this inflexible delivery if they want to continue to be a recipient again. :-\

As it stands now, and like what Kenny says above, I am still waiting to enjoy it, even after making the payment in full. >:(
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: lowkenny on November 27, 2014, 20:38
Hi crazysurfer,

We are now working on the delivery schedule for your speakers already.  :)

Actually all the slots have been taken up on Monday and Tuesday.  If we have the slots definitely I will slot you in to our schedule. ;)

Will contact you again ;)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: crazysurfer on November 27, 2014, 21:58
Hi crazysurfer,

We are now working on the delivery schedule for your speakers already.  :)

Actually all the slots have been taken up on Monday and Tuesday.  If we have the slots definitely I will slot you in to our schedule. ;)

Will contact you again ;)


You have ample time to work on this simple Drop & Go Delivery to a Singapore address regardless of whether your schedule is full or not, it will not take long since no installation or any work is required of your delivery guy and surely no Rocket Science needed to slot it into your schedule.

As indicated below your post, the fine print reads "A member of Singapore Service Star" so hope your delivery schedule can be more flexible and live up to it.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Hass on November 27, 2014, 22:03
u need to pay for delivery??
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: crazysurfer on November 28, 2014, 00:14
u need to pay for delivery??

Yep, as stated in the Invoice as part of the cost, and its not cheap either.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Hass on November 28, 2014, 08:35
Yep, as stated in the Invoice as part of the cost, and its not cheap either.

if they still havent deliver to you, why not just cash & carry or engage those delivery guys with pick up thruck thru craigslist/ebay. less than $100 for sure, I paid as little as $30 before but generally $50 - $70.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: JP-Empire on November 28, 2014, 09:24
My recent experience with TEG's aftersales service leaves much to be desired.

Last Fri I called up to enquire on calibration service for my Arcam products bought from them. Salesguy said he needed to check and got my name/contact number and promised to call back in 15mins time. Instinctively I asked what is it that he needed to check, since its a pretty straightforward query, and if its to verify my purchase, he could check with me right away since we're on the line. But he maintained he needed to do his check so ok, pls do call me back. Been a week and nobody contacted me. If details are not ready, at least a courtesy call would suffice.

The retail industry needs to realize that sales is not a one-off thing: don't just sell and bid farewell. Good aftersales service and support is the cornerstone of a successful retailer. Don't rely on your products alone.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: altis72 on November 28, 2014, 11:42
My experience with TEG have been positive so far. I was told that the speakers I ordered were out of stock and there was a lead time of approx two months. I was pleasantly surprised that the speakers were delivered to me within one month. Thanks Kenny!
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: crazysurfer on November 28, 2014, 19:58
if they still havent deliver to you, why not just cash & carry or engage those delivery guys with pick up thruck thru craigslist/ebay. less than $100 for sure, I paid as little as $30 before but generally $50 - $70.
Tried to request for Cash & Carry but item was at their warehouse so no chance and was told its too big to fit into the car boot so no other option but to put myself at their mercy.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: senyou on November 29, 2014, 15:51
Remover
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: crazysurfer on November 29, 2014, 20:07
hi crazysurfer,you mean teg did not deliver your speakers on the date that they has promised after you has make full payment.

will definitely need to think twice to buy from teg.

No, its just that my delivery will take more than a week to arrive and this is unacceptable for an In-Stock item despite me paying the full amount upfront.

Anyway, I finally received it today after many negotiations & nudging with Kenny & speaking directly to Henry to eventually work out a compromise.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on November 29, 2014, 21:01
Bro
Let me understand this, you bought the item, they told you that you are going to get it in a certain number of weeks and you are not happy with that?
I don't recall a separate charge for delivery, so they made you pay another charge and did not comply with their agreed delivery date?

The price I paid for my stuff usually includes delivery, from TEG as well as other companies, eg my JL Audio from Sammy or my Rhytmik from Peng included delivery in the price, but I was told that it will take 2-3 weeks or even more sometimes, and I am ok with that.

So maybe next time you can specify that you want it immediately or within a week before you hand over your money? Or get that written down in black and white that delivery is supposed to be within a week?

Avoids having to chase the companies after that...

Cheers and do report back on how it sounds.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: crazysurfer on November 30, 2014, 01:41
Bro
Let me understand this, you bought the item, they told you that you are going to get it in a certain number of weeks and you are not happy with that?
I don't recall a separate charge for delivery, so they made you pay another charge and did not comply with their agreed delivery date?

The price I paid for my stuff usually includes delivery, from TEG as well as other companies, eg my JL Audio from Sammy or my Rhytmik from Peng included delivery in the price, but I was told that it will take 2-3 weeks or even more sometimes, and I am ok with that.

So maybe next time you can specify that you want it immediately or within a week before you hand over your money? Or get that written down in black and white that delivery is supposed to be within a week?

Avoids having to chase the companies after that...

Cheers and do report back on how it sounds.

I bought an In-Stock item and was given a delivery date of almost 2 weeks and the Invoice states a separate Drop & Go Delivery Svc Charge after I made the full payment, which their usual practice.

I requested if they can slot in an earlier date since it is just a Drop & Go and they said they will check and get back and I expected it should not be a problem as it was just a simple Drop & Go, which won't take more than 10 to 15 mins but to my surprise, they could not accede to my request even after I offered them a choice of 2 full alternate week days at their desired time slot of their choice to deliver it a week in advance, they still won't barge and considering TEG is a Singapore Service Star Recipient, this is something unusual for them especially with regards to customer service. I just couldn't understand why.

It was only after a couple of calls to Henry that he finally got Kenny to make some arrangements to deliver it to me not on my requested date but to an earlier date that we compromised on, which is today.

Now I have just managed to hook it up and is running it in waiting to hear what it can do in a week or 2 or at least after 15 hrs as recommended by the manual to allow the components to settle in and adjust to our local climate and break-in.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on November 30, 2014, 07:32
I am sorry for the less than pleasant experience bro. Hope it works out and enjoy the music:)

By the way please keep the plug for the Fst driver after you unscrew it.

Cheers
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: crazysurfer on November 30, 2014, 10:40
I am sorry for the less than pleasant experience bro. Hope it works out and enjoy the music:)

By the way please keep the plug for the Fst driver after you unscrew it.

Cheers

Thks bro Pete, still breaking-in now but it already is sounding great.

For your info, there is no plug for the FST driver nor was there a mention of it in the manual, care to enlighten me?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on November 30, 2014, 13:02
You have the 804d?
There was a plastic plug that screws into the silver part at the back of the speaker to secure the fst driver during transport.
If there's a metal plug behind your centre do unscrew it too.
Cheers
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: crazysurfer on November 30, 2014, 13:25
You have the 804d?
There was a plastic plug that screws into the silver part at the back of the speaker to secure the fst driver during transport.
If there's a metal plug behind your centre do unscrew it too.
Cheers

Nothing of tat sort and nothing mentioned about unscrewing any plugs from the FST Drivers.

My 802D was delivered and set-up personally by both Henry & Kenny and I asked them about the black tube with a screw-in silver metal plug behind the Marlan Head, which forms part of the back of the FST Drivers' extension and was told not to meddle with it as it is pre-tuned in the factory to adjust the correct distance for the FST bullet and to secured it in place and it is a part of the FST Drivers so if you are referring to that plug than it is meant to be there and not to be remove or meddle with and also nothing was mentioned to remove any plug in the manual, as well.

As for my Centre, there is no such tube extension behind it so nothing to remove except for 2 foam plugs provided for the flowport to use to control and tune the bass output.

Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on November 30, 2014, 13:44
Have a look here bro:
http://www.htguide.com/forum/printthread.php?t=36535

Since they set it up for you, then I am sure they know what they are talking about.. but most forums tell you to remove it and my speaker actually had a sticker that says remove it.

Cheers

A pic of the transportation screw :

(http://i044.radikal.ru/1004/f7/4d701c405ac6.jpg)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: crazysurfer on November 30, 2014, 13:57
Have a look here bro:
http://www.htguide.com/forum/printthread.php?t=36535

Since they set it up for you, then I am sure they know what they are talking about.. but most forums tell you to remove it and my speaker actually had a sticker that says remove it.

Cheers

A pic of the transportation screw :

(http://i044.radikal.ru/1004/f7/4d701c405ac6.jpg)

No such black & long screw on mine or was it removed without me noticing it but nothing was mentioned except not to meddle with what is now installed behind.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on November 30, 2014, 14:03
Enjoy bro, maybe you can open up your home for a demo bro?
Cheers :)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: crazysurfer on November 30, 2014, 22:17
Enjoy bro, maybe you can open up your home for a demo bro?
Cheers :)


Still a Work-In-Progress and nothing compared to your humble residences or any bros' here so won't want to disappoint and waste everybody's time.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: lowkenny on December 02, 2014, 19:41
My recent experience with TEG's aftersales service leaves much to be desired.

Last Fri I called up to enquire on calibration service for my Arcam products bought from them. Salesguy said he needed to check and got my name/contact number and promised to call back in 15mins time. Instinctively I asked what is it that he needed to check, since its a pretty straightforward query, and if its to verify my purchase, he could check with me right away since we're on the line. But he maintained he needed to do his check so ok, pls do call me back. Been a week and nobody contacted me. If details are not ready, at least a courtesy call would suffice.

The retail industry needs to realize that sales is not a one-off thing: don't just sell and bid farewell. Good aftersales service and support is the cornerstone of a successful retailer. Don't rely on your products alone.

Dear JP-Empire,

We do apologies on this lapse of service.   I believe we have spoken over the phone and hope I have clear your queries.

Please do let me know again on how I can assist you in the near future.

Regards
Kenny Low
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: lowkenny on December 02, 2014, 19:41
hi crazysurfer,you mean teg did not deliver your speakers on the date that they has promised after you has make full payment.

will definitely need to think twice to buy from teg.

Dear senyou,

Being a socially responsible forum user, it’s important to get your facts right before making any false statement on this case.   Please do not jump in to an end conclusion that crazysurfer did not receive his speakers before the promised date.

And by saying this, it is definitely a serious defamation on us and also an unjustified comment that is uncalled for.

Regards
Kenny Low
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: lowkenny on December 02, 2014, 19:42
Dear crazysurfer,

Sorry for the late response, please do allow me to explain the whole scenario; after you have made a purchase from us on the 23rd November 2014 (Sunday), the earliest delivery slot which we have catered for you is on the 4th December 2014. This has been mutually agreed upon, but since there is a request from you for an earlier delivery chances, my colleague did mention to you that if there is any possibility that someone pulls out, we will be able to accommodate you in to our schedule.

We would need to be fair to all parties as we would not want to slot you in our schedule which might affect our other customer’s installations. And as a policy we would want to cater sufficient time for our guys to do a professional job during installation so that we do not stress our staff which may result in a poor job and at the same time, affect others as well.

We can’t be slotting you into our other customer’s appointment (In between) which we have catered ample time for.  By doing so this will affect their installation timings and this will affect the rest of the customer schedule during the day. 

We have to plan carefully so that we do not affect others and also to treasure all as loyal customers of The Experts Group.

We do apologize if we have fallen short on your expectations, but we have already slotted you to the next best available timing. 

Please do let us know again if there is anything that we could help you with and we will definitely do it to the best of our abilities.

Thanks
Kenny Low
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: crazysurfer on December 02, 2014, 20:49
Dear crazysurfer,

Sorry for the late response, please do allow me to explain the whole scenario; after you have made a purchase from us on the 23rd November 2014 (Sunday), the earliest delivery slot which we have catered for you is on the 4th December 2014. This has been mutually agreed upon, but since there is a request from you for an earlier delivery chances, my colleague did mention to you that if there is any possibility that someone pulls out, we will be able to accommodate you in to our schedule.

We would need to be fair to all parties as we would not want to slot you in our schedule which might affect our other customer’s installations. And as a policy we would want to cater sufficient time for our guys to do a professional job during installation so that we do not stress our staff which may result in a poor job and at the same time, affect others as well.

We can’t be slotting you into our other customer’s appointment (In between) which we have catered ample time for.  By doing so this will affect their installation timings and this will affect the rest of the customer schedule during the day. 

We have to plan carefully so that we do not affect others and also to treasure all as loyal customers of The Experts Group.

We do apologize if we have fallen short on your expectations, but we have already slotted you to the next best available timing. 

Please do let us know again if there is anything that we could help you with and we will definitely do it to the best of our abilities.

Thanks
Kenny Low


Hi Kenny,

Understand your situation and I appreciate that greatly especially in your efford to try and accommodate my delivery request, which eventually was rescheduled to an earlier slot but unfortunate that I can't be there to ensure it went smoothly and glad it went well so far and I have hook it up and running it in now. Hope all will be well and will be looking forward to the cheque that Henry promised me as a kind gesture for my loyalty.

Moving forward, I also hope that you can understand us from a customer's point of view, especially being a Singapore Service Star Recipient, as I still believe that more can be done by TEG in terms of Customer Service cum relations which also encompasses better communication and meeting customers' needs and not only focus on more profits. In view of the increase business, may I suggest you look into a better and more flexible delivery schedule and boosting your team of delivery staff, if they can't cope with the load and demands, as well as relook into how you can better plan your delivery and provide contingency plans especially if you want to continue to pride yourselves as a Singapore Service Star Recipient and retaining it for that matter.

Anyway this is just a sincere feedback from a loyal and long term customer of yours and I really hope to look forward to more good years and an improve and better customer experience from you and your team in time to come again.

Regards,
Crazysurfer
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: lowkenny on December 03, 2014, 20:52
Dear crazysurfer,

Thanks for you kind feedback to us.  We will do an internal review on to the delivery services. 

Thanks
Kenny Low
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: lowkenny on December 03, 2014, 21:13
A pic of the transportation screw :

(http://i044.radikal.ru/1004/f7/4d701c405ac6.jpg)
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Dear all,

I would like to clarify that the "transportation screw"  does not looks like the above image.

It would looks like this:
(http://i786.photobucket.com/albums/yy142/lowkenny/IMG20141203192254.jpg)

Another images where the locking plate have been separated in to 3 different pieces/components:
(http://i786.photobucket.com/albums/yy142/lowkenny/IMG20141203192226.jpg)

The above locking plate is suppose to be the one which is being locked and screw to the back of the FST mid range driver while in transport mode.  After setting up the speakers, it has to be remove.

Also do note that some of the look of this locking plate can be in a form of "metallic looks plate with metallic color screws"  or it can be in a form of "Black Color Plate" with Black color screws.

But we can assure all that, only the looks differ and will not affect the sonic performance of the speakers. Due to the reason that it has to be remove after we unbox the speakers.

Cheers
Kenny Low
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: crazysurfer on December 03, 2014, 21:42
A pic of the transportation screw :

(http://i044.radikal.ru/1004/f7/4d701c405ac6.jpg)


Dear all,

I would like to clarify that the "transportation screw"  does not looks like the above image.

It would looks like this:
(http://i786.photobucket.com/albums/yy142/lowkenny/IMG20141203192254.jpg)

Another images where the locking plate have been separated in to 3 different pieces/components:
(http://i786.photobucket.com/albums/yy142/lowkenny/IMG20141203192226.jpg)

The above locking plate is suppose to be the one which is being locked and screw to the back of the FST mid range driver while in transport mode.  After setting up the speakers, it has to be remove.

Also do note that some of the look of this locking plate can be in a form of "metallic looks plate with metallic color screws"  or it can be in a form of "Black Color Plate" with Black color screws.

But we can assure all that, only the looks differ and will not affect the sonic performance of the speakers. Due to the reason that it has to be remove after we unbox the speakers.

Cheers
Kenny Low

I thought so.
My locking plates for the 802Ds are similar to the pics posted by Kenny and it is the black version but can Kenny pls enlighten us on the pic referred to by bro Pete?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: crazysurfer on December 03, 2014, 21:58
Dear crazysurfer,

Thanks for you kind feedback to us.  We will do an internal review on to the delivery services. 

Thanks
Kenny Low

Appreciate that and glad you are taking our feedback seriously and looking into improving it. We will be looking forward to a much better and improved Customer Service experience the next time I patronise TEG, whether you are still a Singapore Service Star Recipient or not.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on December 16, 2014, 07:59
The cm 6 s2 reviewed:
http://www.hifiplus.com/articles/bowers-wilkins-cm6-s2/?utm_campaign=Hi-Fi%2B+Weekly+Emails&utm_medium=email&utm_source=email-323
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: sonerin on December 21, 2014, 22:53
Had been using CM8 for 3 years now. Is really a great speakers. Was thinking of upgrading to CM10. Mainly I am using it for movies, just occasionally listen to songs. Anyone had any to share on CM10 ?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on December 22, 2014, 13:02
If you are looking for more bass, dynamics and scale the CM 10 may be enough, but if you really want a big jump, you may need to audition the 804D as well.
Someone is selling this, you can check with him for a sale...
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: sonerin on December 23, 2014, 22:01
Thanks for the reply. I would love to get my hands on the 804D. Unfortunately, budget does not allow that. I will be pretty happy to get the CM10 as the CM8 is lacking in the bass.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on December 24, 2014, 08:06
If all you want is more bass you may want to  consider buying a sub instead..
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on January 14, 2015, 00:08
Answering a pm here so others can learn or chip in..

It sounds like your tweeter may be faulty. You can test the HF versus the LF banana sockets. If the High Frequency is silent, then your tweeter isn't working and you should bring it to TEG for repair.
All the best.

Quote
I recently bought a pair of used 683 and htm61, i seriously think something is wrong with htm61, while watching movie, the dialogue is very muffed compared to my old jbl lc1.

Not sure if its a broken speaker or is there anything i can do..?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Idlewise4ever on January 14, 2015, 09:43
Hi Guys,

a house visit with owner of 802D matching with McIntosh and Linn
for a casual read :)

cheers

http://hifisenses.com/house-visit/mcintosh-b-w-linn-setup.html
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on February 19, 2015, 23:42
CM 6 S2 system:
http://www.soundandvision.com/content/bowers-wilkins-cm6-s2-speaker-system


Waiting for the CM 10 S2 to show up so I can test it with the centre in a HT system :)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on September 14, 2015, 19:17
The new 800 Diamond series 3 has just been announced:

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/press/home-theater-news/introducing-the-reimagined-bowers-wilkins-800-series-diamond-the-new-jewel-in-the-crown-of-audiophile-loudspeakers/ (http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/press/home-theater-news/introducing-the-reimagined-bowers-wilkins-800-series-diamond-the-new-jewel-in-the-crown-of-audiophile-loudspeakers/)

The 803D3 looks good..
(http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/press/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/bowers-wilkins-800-series-diamond-image3.jpg)
SRP has increased :(
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on September 14, 2015, 22:46
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-speakers/2132090-bowers-wilkins-800-series-3-revealed-nyc.html#post37225314

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Bowers & Wilkins 800 Series D3 Revealed in NYC 

(http://www.avsforum.com/forum/imagehosting/755309555f353afc9a98.jpg)
 
 B&W's iconic 800 Series speakers get a complete overhaul. Mark Henninger traveled to Sterling Sound in Manhattan to hear the new models.
 
 -----
 
 The 800 Series Diamond is the flagship speaker line of Bowers & Wilkins, the British company that's been in the high-end speaker business since 1965. You'll find B&W's 800 Series speakers in many of the world's top recording and mastering studios, and yesterday I witnessed the unveiling of the line's latest update at just such a facility.
 
 The event took place at Sterling Sound, a studio in Manhattan that mastered an astonishing array of hit albums. It began with an in-depth technical presentation on the new speakers that lasted over an hour. B&W's head of engineering—Stuart Neville—gave the presentation; it included a series of video clips showing various aspects of the 800 Series D3 production process.
 
 (http://www.avsforum.com/forum/imagehosting/755309555f36418c8db4.jpg)
 A packed house of journalists covered the technical presentation given by Stuart Neville.
 
 B&W hammered home the point that the new 800 Series Diamond 3 speakers represent a significant leap forward in performance. Of particular interest is the company's decision to move on from Kevlar as the material of choice words midrange. Bowers & Wilkins pioneered the use of Kevlar, and it claims to be the only company that fully understands that material's properties. Nevertheless, the new midrange cone material is made from an unidentified gray material that is said to be superior.
 
 The company is not saying what the Continuum cone is made out of, but promises to do so once its patent application is processed. I did find out that it's not made of any sort of exotic material. Namely, it's not carbon fiber. However, it apparently performs quite a bit better when used as a midrange driver cone material than Kevlar.
 
 A redesigned Turbine head houses the midrange in the 802 D3 and 803 D3 models. It is one of the most recognizable features of B&W's top speakers, and the latest iteration is said to minimize resonances far more effectively than what came before it.
 
 (http://www.avsforum.com/forum/imagehosting/755309555f366b3e757b.jpg)
 The new Turbine head on the 802 D3 with the Continuum cone midrange.
 
 The new Continuum cone makes its way into every model of the new 800 Series Diamond speakers. And, of course, all of the speakers in the series feature the eponymous Diamond tweeter. The woofers are also a new design that B&W calls Aerofoil because a cross-section of the cone has a shape similar to an airplane wing. A couple examples of the new woofer cone were passed around; it was remarkably light and rigid.
 
 
 CNET's Steve Guttenberg takes a look at the new Aerofoil woofer cone.
 
 (http://www.avsforum.com/forum/imagehosting/755309555f443cc6ee98.jpg)
 A close-up view of the Aerofoil woofer cone.
 
 Here's the complete new lineup, which is expected to ship in October of this year:
 
 The 802 D3 is the current top dog in the new lineup. It costs $22,000 for a pair, and each one weighs 208 lbs. It's a three-way 8-ohm design with a 1" diamond dome tweeter, a 6" Continuum cone midrange mounted in a Turbine head, and twin 8" Aerofoil cone woofers. Frequency response is listed as 17 Hz to 28 kHz +/-3dB (wow!) with 90 dB sensitivity, and the maximum recommended amplifier power is 500 watts.
 
 Next up is the 803 D3. It sells for $17,000 per pair, and each one tips the scales at 144 lbs. It's a three-way 8-ohm design with a 1" diamond dome tweeter, a 5" Continuum cone midrange mounted in a Turbine head, and twin 7" Aerofoil cone woofers. Frequency response is listed as 19 Hz to 28 kHz +/-3dB with 90 dB sensitivity, and the maximum recommended amplifier power is 500 watts.
 
 The most affordable tower in the series is the 804 D3, which costs $9000 for a pair. It's a 73-lb speaker with a three-way 8-ohm design that forsakes the turbine head featured on the 802 D3 and 803 D3 models. The 804 D3 features a 1" diamond dome tweeter, a 5" Continuum cone midrange, and twin 6.5" Aerofoil cone woofers. Frequency response is listed at as 19Hz to 28kHz +/-3dB with 90 dB sensitivity. Frequency response is listed as 24 Hz to 28 kHz +/-3dB with 89 dB sensitivity. Maximum recommended amplification is 200 watts.
 
 The 805 D3 is a two-way 8-ohm bookshelf design that sells for $6000 per pair. It has a 1" diamond dome tweeter and a 6.5" Continuum cone midrange/woofer. Frequency response is listed at as 19Hz to 28kHz +/-3dB with 90 dB sensitivity. Frequency response is listed as 42 Hz to 28 kHz +/-3dB with 88 dB sensitivity. The maximum recommended amplifier power is 120 watts.
 
 The HTM1 D3 is a $6000 center channel speaker. It weighs a hefty 67 lbs. and features a three-way 8-ohm design with a 1” diamond dome tweeter, a 6” Continuum cone
 midrange, and dual 8” Aerofoil cone woofers. Frequency response is listed as 28 Hz to 28 kHz +/-3dB with 91 dB sensitivity. The maximum recommended amplification is 500 watts.
 
 Finally, the HTM2 D3 is a $4000 center channel speaker with a currently unspecified weight. It is a three-way 8-ohm design with a 1” diamond dome tweeter, a 5” Continuum cone
 midrange, and dual 6.5” Aerofoil cone woofers. Frequency response is listed as 45 Hz to 28 kHz +/-3dB with 90 dB sensitivity. The maximum recommended amplifier power is 200 watts.
 
 I had a chance to hear both the 805 D3 and the 802 D3 from the sweet spot, using a couple of mastering suites at Sterling Sound. I can report that is was quite incredible. Indeed, it reminded me that I don't always hear transcendent audio at shows. But in Sterling Sound's facilities, with its exceptional acoustics and Classé gear powering the whole shebang, the sound quality I heard coming from the new speakers was jaw-droppingly good. Furthermore, the presentation used nothing but 16-bit/44.1 kHz audio and convincingly made the case that CD quality sound is truly a wonder to behold when properly reproduced.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on September 14, 2015, 22:47
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLCkdL2rH7o&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLCkdL2rH7o&feature=youtu.be)

Pity they got rid of the smaller HTM4 centre... and no more cherry colour.

I wonder when it will reach SG..
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: crazysurfer on September 15, 2015, 00:01

Looks wise, I think the D2 series with the yellow Kevlar Mid Range mounted in the Shiny Piano Finished Marlan Head enclosure sitting on the leather finished top Woofer Cabinet with the Nautilus Tweeter mounted on top is a more classic design especially for the 802D2 compared to the D3.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: jiawoei on September 15, 2015, 12:49
I will need to listen to the new 805 D3. Good candidate to replace my existing MA GS10  ;D
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: crazysurfer on September 15, 2015, 20:15
Wonder if TEG will be having a Sale on their old 800 range D2 series Speakers in anticipation of the D3's arrival and maybe to clear some some Show room space too for the D3.

Will be a good opportunity for those who want to own this legendary Speaker at a more down to earth price.

Will Kenny care to comment?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: ohlins on September 25, 2015, 13:17
https://instagram.com/p/8CnpM6sIy3 (https://instagram.com/p/8CnpM6sIy3)


(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i305/oohlins/476DA270-BED5-45DD-8301-8BE1EFD20D0A_zpsd9h6wrig.jpg) (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/oohlins/media/476DA270-BED5-45DD-8301-8BE1EFD20D0A_zpsd9h6wrig.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: TheKremlin on October 05, 2015, 08:07
Anybody came across this deal? Is it legit? I believe the price for CM10 S2 is way more expensive here in Singapore.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/bowers-wilkins-cm10-s2-triple-6-1-2-3-way-floorstanding-speaker-each-gloss-black/8434275.p?id=1219334544995&skuId=8434275 (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/bowers-wilkins-cm10-s2-triple-6-1-2-3-way-floorstanding-speaker-each-gloss-black/8434275.p?id=1219334544995&skuId=8434275)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: DJQ on October 05, 2015, 12:09
bro, the origin of the site is in USA. alot of background charges are in place. furthermore red dot cannot match the volume of the USA market power.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: bluepill193 on October 05, 2015, 13:38
And price is for one speaker...
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on October 05, 2015, 14:06
And price is for one speaker...
Frequently happens on amazon...
Someone finds a speaker being sold at half the retail price and screams bargain :)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: TheKremlin on October 08, 2015, 17:14
Sorry bro. Didn't know about that. Noted. Learnt something new.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: malsound on October 10, 2015, 17:16
Nices...

http://www.youtube.com/v/kuGk9uogLhI&fs=1http://www.youtube.com/v/BV9qf9QUw-s&fs=1
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on October 10, 2015, 17:23
The local launch will take place end of October IIRC..
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: malsound on October 10, 2015, 17:33
Thanks for the info

http://www.youtube.com/v/QQXKgR8hoRQ&fs=1http://www.youtube.com/v/bDtKu8L_4YU&fs=1
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: lowkenny on October 22, 2015, 15:18
Wonder if TEG will be having a Sale on their old 800 range D2 series Speakers in anticipation of the D3's arrival and maybe to clear some some Show room space too for the D3.

Will be a good opportunity for those who want to own this legendary Speaker at a more down to earth price.

Will Kenny care to comment?

Hi crazysurfer,

We are now clearing our 800D2 series range of speakers (New and Demo).  The new D3 range (Showroom Demo) will be in estimated 1st or 2nd week November. 

Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: lowkenny on October 22, 2015, 15:21
The local launch will take place end of October IIRC..

Hi petetherock and all,

Apologize on the absence, was busy with preparations for the launch, once it is officially launched, we will have showroom demo units in estimated 2nd to 3nd week of Nov 2015.

For those who are interested please do drop by to Lavender showroom to listen to them.

Cheers
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on April 20, 2016, 06:01
802 D3 reviewed :
http://www.avhub.com.au/product-reviews/sound-image/bowers-wilkins-802-d3-loudspeakers-review-413081
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: lowkenny on May 20, 2016, 11:53
Dear All,

In conjunction with our showroom event in Lavender, we would like to take this opportunity to invite all forum members to our showroom in Lavender to experience the difference between B&W 804 D2 vs the all new B&W 804 D3!

They are driven by the all new Rotel RA-1592 Integrated Amplifier which leverages the strengths of our award winning RC-1590 preamplifier and RB-1582 MkII power amplifier in a sleek single chassis design, featuring:

1) AKM premium 32-bit/768kHz Digital to Analog Converter
2) 2 x 200 Watts of robust power
3) Bluetooth with aptX

We are looking forward to your further support for our company products, while you are here please do speak to our system consultant for more details.

Lavender Showroom
161, Lavender Street
#01-02/03/04 Lavender Place
Singapore 338750

Regards
The Experts Group Pte Ltd
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: AlanTan on May 25, 2016, 14:13
Hi,

Does anyone know where I can get the speaker grille for DM309?

Regards,
BT
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on May 26, 2016, 22:16
Zeppelin Air reviewed:
https://www.audioholics.com/computer-speaker-reviews/zeppelin-wireless-speaker
Title: B&W PV1
Post by: Chowbotak on May 29, 2016, 14:55
Any PV1 owners not using the RJ11 cable that comes with sub can sell me theirs? I need 2. Thanks!
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Esquire on May 29, 2016, 15:30
There is one shop on the 4th level in Adelphi selling B&W Series
Are they official dealer?

Your comment is appreciated.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Chowbotak on May 29, 2016, 15:58
Yes they are. Just saw their names at the B&W website
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Esquire on May 29, 2016, 17:31
Yes they are. Just saw their names at the B&W website

Noted with thanks.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: sje4182 on May 30, 2016, 08:40
There is one shop on the 4th level in Adelphi selling B&W Series
Are they official dealer?

Your comment is appreciated.

Yes E77 is a dealer for B&W. They also carry Dali, Classe, Roksan and Rotel.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Doggie Howser on June 09, 2016, 14:23
I'm not a real owner but been listening to the 803D3s and 804D3s in the boss' other store and have to say - this might be the first B&W 800 I really really like. Like - like enough to buy.

(http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae132/doggiehowser/67E59B79-B775-4161-8C4A-36425103B1FB_zpsovxnlphw.jpg)

There's another demo area with the 802D3 as well with Classe Delta mono blocks. Don't dare to get poisoned yet.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Doggie Howser on June 10, 2016, 09:37
(http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae132/doggiehowser/E4A9C44C-97C2-4CE2-8166-F5185C3F8E31_zpsgaupodnl.jpg)

What a chore for a Friday morning :)

Running in 802D3s.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: AndrewC on June 10, 2016, 12:48
...
What a chore for a Friday morning :)
..

Obviously life is really tough for some of us  :P... Looks like the Linn Akurate? Is this replicating the Customer home setup or... just curious why the Linn with Classe coupling, not a natural pairing I would have thought.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on June 10, 2016, 22:30
Just my 2c worth:
There have been some really incredible prices posted, typically by new members for B&W speakers, and in particular the Diamond series. All I will say is: Caveat Emptor...
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Doggie Howser on June 11, 2016, 08:52
Obviously life is really tough for some of us  :P... Looks like the Linn Akurate? Is this replicating the Customer home setup or... just curious why the Linn with Classe coupling, not a natural pairing I would have thought.

The Linns are pricey but some of the customers like the ease of use. This store sells a lot of Linn + Mac power + big speakers (B&W 800s, KEF Reference/Blades, Wilson Audio, the big JBL) so the Linn streamers handle volume control as well. Have to say they sound pretty damn good - I guess I can see why Audio loves his Lumin but I like complexity and modular systems :)

This store caters more to home automation - and where adding a 45->150 grand speaker seems almost trivial to the price of building and fitting out a new home :P and most of the significant others love the simplicity of the Linn+power amp combination. Not at all daunting.

re prices of the D2 (aka Diamond series), I have to say some of the clearance prices from B&W are quite attractive. I have (had? need to check with the boss) an 803D2 new in box that was going for 10k. Really substantial discount. And I am still kicking myself that I told a customer we had a reboxed 805D3 from the launch event for just 6 grand. In rosewood. Needless to say it sold within an hour.

Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on August 24, 2016, 11:26
New review on the 803:
http://www.hifiplus.com/articles/bowers-wilkins-803-d3-floorstanding-loudspeaker/
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on September 29, 2016, 11:24
http://www.soundandvision.com/content/remaking-classic-bw-800-d3-speaker#P2TmDtdMZiluR6fo.97


Remaking the 800..
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: DJQ on May 29, 2017, 13:39
http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=252744.0

something i had when i 1st started my Hifi/HT journey.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on September 12, 2017, 23:14


New 7 series..

Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on September 12, 2017, 23:17
http://www.youtube.com/v/IKK3dMe-Za0&fs=1
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on September 12, 2017, 23:18
http://www.youtube.com/v/nLQO5t5Cx8M&fs=1
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on September 25, 2017, 23:43
803 D3 review:
http://hometheaterhifi.com/reviews/speaker/floor-standing/bw-803-d3-floor-standing-loudspeaker-review/
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on January 06, 2018, 20:10
The 7 series looks nice, but it looks a lot like the older CM series..
https://hometheaterhifi.com/news/product-previews/bowers-wilkins-700-series-speaker-system-preview/

(https://hometheaterhifi.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/bnw-700-series-img1.jpg)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: sevenz on January 08, 2018, 00:07
looks note bad.

Somehow, i still prefer the yellow cone and the older 7-series shape of the speakers.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Doggie Howser on January 08, 2018, 08:43
Good thing I choose speakers based on ho they sound

The Continuum and the new bass Aerofoil drivers are not a small upgrade over the older drivers.

They made such a big difference on the 800 D3 that they finally became speakers on my shortlist.

The new 700 drivers are derived from them. And are just as impressive.

Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: infernosix on March 10, 2018, 17:28
Hi my tweeter on my 805S isn't working. Any suggestions how best to get the replacement tweeter?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on April 20, 2018, 16:08
Their biennial sale is on this weekend..
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Pismo Mac on April 20, 2018, 17:53
Their biennial sale is on this weekend..
Anyone has visited? What’s on offer?


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Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Avonez on April 20, 2018, 18:41
New pieces 805D3 at $7400 with stand. Limited to 3. Last piece when I was there over lunch hour. 803D3 demo set on sale $17 or $18k, can't recall.. New 702 s2 also on sale, limited 3 pieces.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Chericelise on April 20, 2018, 20:42
803D3 demo set was asking for $18.9k new piece about $21k.
804D3 new below $11k.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Tok on April 20, 2018, 23:15
New pieces 805D3 at $7400 with stand. Limited to 3. Last piece when I was there over lunch hour. 803D3 demo set on sale $17 or $18k, can't recall.. New 702 s2 also on sale, limited 3 pieces.

where is the location. is it a showroom
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Pismo Mac on April 20, 2018, 23:33
where is the location. is it a showroom
Millenia walk


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Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on April 20, 2018, 23:45
Tomorrow is the last day..
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on April 21, 2018, 19:48
The 805 price is not bad, some deals on used subwoofers and display model amps available..
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: noahnoah on April 25, 2018, 20:08

Any recommendation for bookshelf speakers?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Tok on April 25, 2018, 20:23
Any recommendation for bookshelf speakers?

805 is a bookshelf speaker.  However I find it much more expensive than other Made in Britain speakers.
I know B&W is a very established brand and to the B&W enthusiasts here, may I ask as a newbie what caused you to pay extra for the speakers.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Doggie Howser on April 25, 2018, 21:27
The new Continuum driver on the 805D3 is simply superb. Corrects pretty much all the flaws of the old Kevlar.

And as a flagship bookshelf speaker it isn’t more expensive than say a Guarneri or a C1.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: wusplay on April 26, 2018, 08:10
How does 805D3 vs the latest ver of Dynaudio C1 ? Over the years, B&W seem to introduce more changes compare to Dyn. Often heard D3 is much improved over the last generation. C1 also improve but maybe not as much as it was already good.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: JT on April 26, 2018, 09:23
Anyone selling silver PV1 or PV1D?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: blue_starfish on April 26, 2018, 10:21
Auditioned the 803D3 at Millenia Walk. The sound was terrible due to poor setup and acoustics.

Don't bother going there to audition, unless you are prepared to buy in faith. Wait for their better showroom that replaces Lavender to be up, then go audition.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on April 26, 2018, 10:39
Anyone selling silver PV1 or PV1D?
They were on sale during the recent sale, 16xx or so.. for the newer one.
Some refurb old PV1 at half the price or so..
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on April 26, 2018, 10:43
Any recommendation for bookshelf speakers?

Are you soliciting an opinion for any bookshelf speaker?
No budget, no room size, no other info.... it won't be easy to read your mind bro
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Doggie Howser on April 26, 2018, 10:49
Auditioned the 803D3 at Millenia Walk. The sound was terrible due to poor setup and acoustics.

Don't bother going there to audition, unless you are prepared to buy in faith. Wait for their better showroom that replaces Lavender to be up, then go audition.


Sounds amazing here.
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Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Rachael on April 26, 2018, 11:54
How does 805D3 vs the latest ver of Dynaudio C1 ? Over the years, B&W seem to introduce more changes compare to Dyn. Often heard D3 is much improved over the last generation. C1 also improve but maybe not as much as it was already good.

http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=92970.msg654312#msg654312

Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: wusplay on April 26, 2018, 14:59
http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=92970.msg654312#msg654312



Thanks!
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Rachael on April 26, 2018, 15:08
Thanks!

Dun mention...should had bot 805 hahaha
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Tok on April 26, 2018, 17:31

Sounds amazing here.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180426/6e6fb00e20ecd142063645a77f8a83e5.jpg)

Very impressive set. There are two speakers on each side but the norm is only one speaker on each side. Is there any particular reason for such a set up.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: blue_starfish on April 26, 2018, 18:29

Sounds amazing here.


DH, what amp is being used to drive the 803D3 in pic? Are these speakers easy to drive well compared to the previous kevlar driver iteration which needed a monster amp?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Doggie Howser on April 26, 2018, 18:32
Very impressive set. There are two speakers on each side but the norm is only one speaker on each side. Is there any particular reason for such a set up.

It’s a showroom. Someone mentioned the 800s didn’t sound good in another showroom.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Doggie Howser on April 26, 2018, 18:35
DH, what amp is being used to drive the 803D3 in pic? Are these speakers easy to drive well compared to the previous kevlar driver iteration which needed a monster amp?

It’s a weird Dan D Agastino model that isn’t really in the website.

It is based off the Momentum architecture but in a more conventional chassis - very old skool Krell. In this configuration it is called the Master Stereo 2+ which handles 300W/Channel but can be set as a 1000W mono.

Here it is about 25+k for the amp.

I’ve had great results driving the 800D3 with either the Agastino amp or the BHK Monos.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180426/5e6e672d2c5184ab75e9cf9ba861e0ca.jpg)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: travelfotografer on April 26, 2018, 18:39
Very impressive set. There are two speakers on each side but the norm is only one speaker on each side. Is there any particular reason for such a set up.

I believe that is a pair of 800D3 and a pair of 802D3. This will allow quick comparisons between these two models in a showroom
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: blue_starfish on April 26, 2018, 18:55
It’s a weird Dan D Agastino model that isn’t really in the website.

It is based off the Momentum architecture but in a more conventional chassis - very old skool Krell. In this configuration it is called the Master Stereo 2+ which handles 300W/Channel but can be set as a 1000W mono.

Here it is about 25+k for the amp.

I’ve had great results driving the 800D3 with either the Agastino amp or the BHK Monos.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180426/5e6e672d2c5184ab75e9cf9ba861e0ca.jpg)

I read that the impedence goes down to 3 ohms hence need quality amps, although maybe not the watts since the speakers are rated at 90dB/W. Have you heard them with high quality sub 200w amps?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Doggie Howser on April 26, 2018, 18:59
Have only heard them with McIntosh and those two I mentioned. The Mc even with 600W didn’t sound as good as those two.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: noahnoah on May 14, 2018, 00:18

I am considering the 706 series
Anyone using that?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: ivanlyf_2011 on July 04, 2018, 21:48
I am considering the 706 series
Anyone using that?

I heard the 706 series rather intensively while demo-ing my next set of speakers. Anything I can help with?
In the end, I went for a 705S2 due to the GSS promotion.

By the way, dying to find out - is the lead time of 60 days for out of stock B&W models a worst case estimate (max. 60 days) or best case estimate (at least 60 days)...

Want my 705S2 to come ASAP ahaha
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Chericelise on July 05, 2018, 08:32
So far my dealings with TEG is about 30 days lead time.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on July 05, 2018, 09:01
Congrats on your 705, make sure you use good stands.. partingtons for example...
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: ivanlyf_2011 on July 05, 2018, 12:45
Thanks. So past history is 30 days.. Hopefully mine is also the same!

Oh, I just bought with B&W stands for convenience as I don't want to keep looking. Getting a bit tired of auditioning heh.



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Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Rachael on July 17, 2018, 17:00
Hi folks, if I may ask, any CM10 owners here?
Heard a friend saying there are however CM10 owners are keeping the speakers for good as the sq is comparable if not equally good to 803 which retailing at $20k, hence seeking CM10 owners verification or folks tat had real experiences with tis remarkable b&w model tat my friend seems to believe.

Thanks in advance. 
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Doggie Howser on July 17, 2018, 18:22
Never heard the CM10 just the CM10S2 and the answer is no. The 803D3 is much better. Much much better.

The new 702S2 is better than the CM10S2
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: kensonus on July 26, 2018, 12:24
Vintage B&W CM2 rare(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180726/f963e868b50c9c74a5a4652992cb9433.jpg)


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Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: ivanlyf_2011 on August 04, 2018, 08:52
Just received an update from E77 that my B&W 705 S2 speakers are arriving in Singapore mid-August! Scheduled the delivery and installation for 17th Aug.

Quite excited - my 1st time with passive speakers
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: ivanlyf_2011 on August 16, 2018, 20:10
Hi, just an update, The Experts Group installed my 705S2 speakers today. Running them in now but the improvement over my old Adam Artist 5 is obvious.

Lead time from ordering to delivery was 6 weeks for me.

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Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on August 16, 2018, 21:28
Enjoy bro and do give us your feedback, cheers.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Pinky on August 21, 2018, 08:01
It seems I qualify as a B&W guy. I've fixed up my wife's office computer with a pair of CM1v2s with the tweeters at ear height on stands at the corners of her fairly large desk, they give a fairly warm sound and quite precise imaging.
In my office system I use a pair of stand mounted PM1s and a marvelously musical sound they produce too!
Our main system is linked up to my old 801M S2s which I've been using for more than 20 years. They certainly produce a true feeling of scale when needed. I guess they're coming up for a recap/refurb when I get around to it which should keep them going for the next couple of decades.   
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: zorden2003 on August 27, 2018, 16:13
I got a 805 D3. Wondering what amp to go with it?
Lm 518ia or Job int 225.  Anyone has experience with this match up?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: zorden2003 on August 27, 2018, 17:07
Any amp to recommend? Rotel ?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: ivanlyf_2011 on August 28, 2018, 13:16
Try Rotel, Classe and Roksan first since the stores that sell B&W in Singapore pair the speakers with these brands.

I'm driving my 705S2 with a Roksan Kandy K3 Integrated Amplifier
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Doggie Howser on August 28, 2018, 14:05
Definitely not Rotel. Classe is waiting to be resurrected but otherwise not a bad choice.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: ivanlyf_2011 on August 28, 2018, 21:50
Any suggestions on what rca cables to get for my B&W 705S2?

It’s connecting my Bryson BDA-2 and the Roksan Kandy K3 Integrated Amplifier. I was thinking about VDH since B&W uses them in their speakers. But am also open to other suggestions.

Trying to stick within 400 sgd.

My main genre is classical music, generally don’t have complains about my setup at present except maybe to tame the violin slightly, it’s quite harsh for a particular Mozart recording of mine.

Something with a laid back, smooth texture that won’t sacrifice the treble
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: BlurRhino on August 28, 2018, 22:07
Any suggestions on what rca cables to get for my B&W 705S2?

It’s connecting my Bryson BDA-2 and the Roksan Kandy K3 Integrated Amplifier. I was thinking about VDH since B&W uses them in their speakers. But am also open to other suggestions.

Trying to stick within 400 sgd.

My main genre is classical music, generally don’t have complains about my setup at present except maybe to tame the violin slightly, it’s quite harsh for a particular Mozart recording of mine.

Something with a laid back, smooth texture that won’t sacrifice the treble

I suggest you let your system run in a little more before you try to change the cable.. The harsh sound might go away when the system settled down
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: CASH on August 28, 2018, 23:39
Belden Studio 814 speaker cables...
try it...
cheap n good.
made in Japan..
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Doggie Howser on August 29, 2018, 08:30
I second the suggestion to complete running in.

And sometimes the harshness is in the recording.

But bear in mind the components you have may sound bright in combination too.

My suggestion - try Tellurium Q black for interconnect and Black 2 speaker cables.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: ivanlyf_2011 on August 29, 2018, 10:27
Thanks to all who replied. Okay I will let the system complete run in first.

So far, I think the speakers are certainly more transparent, detailed and immersive than my old Artist 5 Speakers.

Listening to pop and jazz music, my wife also commented that the bass and trumpet sound better too.

I'm Generally satisfied except for that Mozart recording...

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Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on August 29, 2018, 10:56
I suggest you let your system run in a little more before you try to change the cable.. The harsh sound might go away when the system settled down
+1
Avoiding rushing into upgrades. The room also makes a different. You can try softening it with rugs, cushions and curtains too.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Pinky on August 29, 2018, 12:26
I suggest you let your system run in a little more before you try to change the cable.. The harsh sound might go away when the system settled down
Yep
+1
Avoiding rushing into upgrades. The room also makes a different. You can try softening it with rugs, cushions and curtains too.
This too
I'd also try as many positions as possible to find the "optimal" for your listening room. Of course I understand that sometimes locating them at the best listening position isn't always an option and most of us have to live with audio compromises that are less than ideal. I'd pretty much guess you've already done that  :)
I'd try other cables too that you happen to have, or can borrow, to see what differences they make before making any decisions. A cheap heavy copper variety (just as a test) will probably limit the top end overenthusiam but may well be bad in other areas. If it keeps the top end in check it's just a starting point in the search for the ideal cable. If nothing else the testing is a good excuse to listen to lots of Mozart  ;)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: kaydee6 on August 29, 2018, 14:04
Any suggestions on what rca cables to get for my B&W 705S2?

It’s connecting my Bryson BDA-2 and the Roksan Kandy K3 Integrated Amplifier. I was thinking about VDH since B&W uses them in their speakers. But am also open to other suggestions.

Trying to stick within 400 sgd.

My main genre is classical music, generally don’t have complains about my setup at present except maybe to tame the violin slightly, it’s quite harsh for a particular Mozart recording of mine.

Something with a laid back, smooth texture that won’t sacrifice the treble

My experience with the B&W 702S2 at the showroom is it has a very "lit" sound. Not my type of sound. I wanted to leave as it is uncomfortable. Wife who was with me cringed :(.
You can tame it a little but don't expect too much changes to the signature. 
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: ivanlyf_2011 on August 29, 2018, 14:27
My experience with the B&W 702S2 at the showroom is it has a very "lit" sound. Not my type of sound. I wanted to leave as it is uncomfortable. Wife who was with me cringed :(.
You can tame it a little but don't expect too much changes to the signature.

Just curious - what is your genre of music you listen to?

Actually I chose the 705S2 over the Dynaudio and Dali simply because in classical music, it was able to hit the higher notes of a violin and piano which subsequently immerses me in the music better. I chose it for its brightness but just found a particular Mozart recording difficult to listen too. Hence, the search for cables for a more relaxing sound
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: kaydee6 on August 29, 2018, 14:38
I listen to close miked vocals, country, american folks to pop.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: DJQ on August 29, 2018, 16:33
http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=275792.0;topicseen

come on guys. Support the Hifi group. this is a cycle. B&W owners current and new ones.  :)
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: noahnoah on August 29, 2018, 17:16

Is marantz av receiver a good partner
Up with B&W speakers?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: zorden2003 on August 29, 2018, 21:22
Anyone try LM 518ia with 805d3.

Lm518ia specs:
 https://www.stereophile.com/content/line-magnetic-audio-lm-518ia-integrated-amplifier-specifications (https://www.stereophile.com/content/line-magnetic-audio-lm-518ia-integrated-amplifier-specifications)


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Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: ivanlyf_2011 on September 20, 2018, 13:25
So it's nearly 1 month since I commissioned my B&W 705S2 speakers and thus, I'm posting an update on my experience for any users who wish to know more about this model...

So like before, the 705S2 speakers are a lot more transparent than the Adam Audio artist 5 speakers; we know each CD recording is different but this is more obvious with the B&W speakers. In addition, with the 705S2, I think I'm starting to distinguish a 'house sound' between the 3 major classical music labels: Philips, Decca and Deutsche Grammophon. For now, I prefer Decca's recording among the 3; its smoother but doesn't lose detail.

As the sensitivity of the 705S2 is higher and it sounds better at louder volume, I would recommend at least for the HDB context, that the speaker be deployed in larger rooms like the master bedroom or living room. Currently, my 705S2 is in a bedroom but I've knocked down the wall that separates it from the living room so the speaker doesn't sound too loud for the room.

The brightness that I complained about previously seems to be disappearing and the sound is getting more immersive as well. As of now, I'm enjoying my speakers and am having a fun time re-exploring all my old CDs and new CDs.

In the following week, I hope to receive my VDH The Sea RCA cables so I'll give more updates at later intervals. Meanwhile, feel free to ask if there are any questions and I'll try to answer them if I can (not a serious hobbyist yet)...
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: ivanlyf_2011 on October 07, 2018, 19:05
Looks like Bowers and Wilkins has updated the 600 series with Continuum cones

https://www.bowers-wilkins.com/Speakers/Home_Audio/600_Series
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: ivanlyf_2011 on October 26, 2018, 09:56
Hi everyone,

Sourcing for advice please - recently listening to these album boxed set from Decca Recordings "Decca: The Analogue Sound". It's all classical music (this is my main genre).

I'm facing a problem of what seems like a very large recording volume range present within the recording;

i. During the 'softer' parts of the music when the orchestra is playing softly, I have to boost my amplifier volume really high to hear
ii. During the 'louder' parts of the music, the consequence of (i) is now the music is too loud and i have to quickly reduce the amplifier volume.

Just wondering if there's any way to help compensate for this issue? Does using a more powerful amplifier help?

Also - another issue: Has anyone tried using Bryston amplifiers with B&W before? Thinking of going Bryston as my DAC is Bryston and love their relaxed sound but Roksan's sound is forward sounding.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Ilovehifi on October 26, 2018, 22:46

Do local B&W dealers carry out promo for
Its speakers range?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: ivanlyf_2011 on October 26, 2018, 23:15
Yes, there’s a chance. Try year end and great Singapore sales period. I got mine 705S2 speakers for a discount then.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Ilovehifi on December 05, 2018, 08:39

Is the 706 s2 a good buy?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: cstanxpl on January 17, 2019, 08:33
WHF? 606 & 607 reviews. The 607 looks tempting.

https://www.whathifi.com/reviews/bandw-606

https://www.whathifi.com/reviews/bandw-607
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: kaydee6 on January 17, 2019, 08:41
It’s hardly surprising B&W is a resident 5 stars speakers for what hifi. Getting very predictable.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Doggie Howser on January 17, 2019, 09:05
FWIW the 606 sounds incredible. I put it next to the 603 and there’s only a little to separate the two in a quick AB test with a comparator.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: mingzhen on January 17, 2019, 10:32
So far I m not that impressed by 606. I think 603 sound much better than previous generations
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Ilovehifi on February 19, 2019, 22:17

Just brought a pair of  b&w 706 s2 speaker..
First venture into this brand.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: malsound on March 04, 2019, 06:29
http://www.youtube.com/v/Z3wj0zpaU6A&fs=1
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: cstanxpl on March 15, 2019, 12:37
Yes, you've guessed it already. Another 5* review for B&W from WHF?

https://www.whathifi.com/reviews/bandw-603
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Doggie Howser on March 15, 2019, 13:46
In this case, I think the new 600 series awards are well deserved.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Nizam on May 03, 2019, 14:31
Hello everyone!

My name is Nizam, from The Experts Group. Here to assist you regarding any enquiries with Bowers & Wilkins speakers.


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Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: wusplay on May 04, 2019, 11:38
When will B&W Formation Duo arrive in sg?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: petetherock on May 04, 2019, 21:41
Hello everyone!

My name is Nizam, from The Experts Group. Here to assist you regarding any enquiries with Bowers & Wilkins speakers.


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Welcome to the forum bro
So any up and coming stuff?
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: badbad2000 on May 05, 2019, 11:10
Yesterday at showroom listened 804 d3 played hayley westenra is so nice. But price is out of reach.


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Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Nizam on May 10, 2019, 16:41
When will B&W Formation Duo arrive in sg?

Hello there, as you may know B&W have announced a new lineup of products. Below is the information regarding the new series.

"B&W’s new Formation wireless system is currently only launched for US market only. 
The product will progressively roll out in different regions due to the complexity of governmental wireless and safety approvals for different region.  Asia will sadly be the last region to receive the product as Asia have the most diverse and difficult regulatory bodies.

We apologise that we currently do not have any timeline to the launch in our country.

You may follow our facebook page or other social media to be kept informed of the latest developments.  Alternatively, you can email us your contact details so that we can contact you when we have firm news on the launch date."

Regards,
Nizam
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Nizam on May 10, 2019, 16:46
Welcome to the forum bro
So any up and coming stuff?

Hi, at the moment we do have a sale for the Pro-Ject turntables and electronics. Do drop by during your free time to have a look and as well we do have our in-store promotions for the other products we carry.
Title: Re: Bowers & Wilkins Speakers (REAL) owner's thread - tips and info
Post by: Nizam on May 10, 2019, 17:07
Yesterday at showroom listened 804 d3 played hayley westenra is so nice. But price is out of reach.


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Hello there, thank you for dropping by the showroom.
If you're interested in the 804 D3 we can always discuss on a price.
You can drop by the showroom again to have a listen and someone would be there to attend to you.