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Title: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: xerox on January 26, 2010, 22:33
So far there is thread bout various brand of speakers, perhaps we can include source and amp too. I hope to find like-minded people who like Naim as much as i do.

A brief intro bout my Naim Journey, i used to own Naim Nait 3r, 5i amp as for CDP CD 3.5/CD5i and now 202/200/CDX2. In between i had MF, Lavardin, Primare and Arcam before.

I choose Naim for it's dynamics, speed, timing and musicality.  Any brother here like Naim too?  :P

Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: rahul on January 27, 2010, 01:53
I have heard a lot of good things about Naim and Dynaudio synergy.
Good to see that you are enjoying that combination.

Perhaps I will join you one day. Only problem is that with Naim you need to get a lot of their stuff to get the chemistry going. So thats an expensive proposition.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Jose on January 27, 2010, 09:01
I use Naim too. Have been using CDS2/XPS2/Supercap/282/250.2/Allae for a few years. Have an itch to upgrade recently ....
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on January 27, 2010, 10:27
Rega P9/Rega Saturn/52/Supercap/135/ATC SCM19

Not true you need all Naim to have maximum synergy. Rega works fine. ATC works superbly. Sealed box bass with Harbeth midrange. Heard the Rega Isis CDP recently and it's superb. Reviews indicated it's in the class of CDS3/555PS for less than half the price.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: xerox on January 27, 2010, 10:47
Yeah i  don't believe in an all Naim setup. But i must admit their CDP is one of the best in the market and if you look at some review the Naim CDP is sometime use as a benchmark. But i am not so much into their speaker and cables. Their speakers and cable are too expensive and imo not worth it, i am currently using custom VDH din cable and VDH speaker wire.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on January 27, 2010, 10:55
In terms of VFM, IMHO Rega source is much better VFM. Saturn can give a run for the money with a bare CDX2.

Naim are still renowned for their amps, especially the pre-amps. You will be surprised how good the higher end olives pre and power are even when compared to current incarnations. I am using AR Greenlink DIN-RCA which works a treat.

Having said that, the CDS2 is one heck of a player. Something I dont mind owning if price is right.

Yeah i  don't believe in an all Naim setup. But i must admit their CDP is one of the best in the market and if you look at some review the Naim CDP is sometime use as a benchmark. But i am not so much into their speaker and cables. Their speakers and cable are too expensive and imo not worth it, i am currently using custom VDH din cable and VDH speaker wire.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: xerox on January 27, 2010, 11:32
For me i am not a fan of Rega Saturn thus i got myself a CDX2. Audit it before and don't like it thus goes for a CDX2 beside i prefer to have a single remote to control my entire system it is also for this reason i goes for CDX2. CDS2 is a great player i must admit.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on January 27, 2010, 11:36
Can understand from a point of preference but in terms of performance, Saturn is up there with CDX2. I had a Apollo prior to Saturn, and thus had full confidence it when it comes to matching with a Naim system. It doesnt lose out in pace and timing even when compared to CDS2 but CDS2 has a more organic sound, vinyl like.

For me i am not a fan of Rega Saturn thus i got myself a CDX2. Audit it before and don't like it thus goes for a CDX2 beside i prefer to have a single remote to control my entire system it is also for this reason i goes for CDX2. CDS2 is a great player i must admit.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: xerox on January 27, 2010, 11:45
Can understand from a point of preference but in terms of performance, Saturn is up there with CDX2. I had a Apollo prior to Saturn, and thus had full confidence it when it comes to matching with a Naim system. It doesnt lose out in pace and timing even when compared to CDS2 but CDS2 has a more organic sound, vinyl like.


I think this is more like brand preferences and i do not wish to comment much on the Rega Vs Naim and which is better, to each of it's own. But i would love to sell the entire  Naim someday and try other brand if i have extra $$$$  :P
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on January 27, 2010, 11:55
Huh? Sell entire Naim and try other brand? Something you don't like about Naim or you just wanna have a change of sound.

For me, if I like a certain house sound I will stick to it and go upwards. If you're game enough, I say try ATC actives with a Naim source. It will be superb. May go that path one day, either with a Naim or Rega source. Sealed box bass rules. Somehow people have phobia of ATC cos of it's hard to drive nature but once well driven, it puts a lot of speaker to shame. There's a reason why it's used in a lot of music studios world wide over. It's ability to dig deep into the music with accuracy is hard to be beaten.

I think this is more like brand preferences and i do not wish to comment much on the Rega Vs Naim and which is better, to each of it's own. But i would love to sell the entire  Naim someday and try other brand if i have extra $$$$  :P
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: xerox on January 27, 2010, 14:09
Huh? Sell entire Naim and try other brand? Something you don't like about Naim or you just wanna have a change of sound.

For me, if I like a certain house sound I will stick to it and go upwards. If you're game enough, I say try ATC actives with a Naim source. It will be superb. May go that path one day, either with a Naim or Rega source. Sealed box bass rules. Somehow people have phobia of ATC cos of it's hard to drive nature but once well driven, it puts a lot of speaker to shame. There's a reason why it's used in a lot of music studios world wide over. It's ability to dig deep into the music with accuracy is hard to be beaten.


I like Naim house sound , just thinking of changing to explore other sound. Just a thought though, beside i had heard great comment bout ATC i think your 52/135 is well suit for the ATC not so sure bout my NAP200 though even though Naim are known to drive loads as low as 2 ohm (this is what i heard).

I am quite happy with my Naim/Dynaudio combi at the moment.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on January 27, 2010, 16:05
No, the NAP200 will not be able to drive the ATCs well enough, not the SCM19 at least. Perhaps with a smaller ATC such as SCM11 or 7 it will be fine.

My 250 work fine at normal volumes but if I go louder (past 11 oclock on CD), thermal shutdown got activated. It's a power hungry speakers aright. Thus the need to go one up to 135. The 135 on the other hand worked very well. It ran much cooler with the fans and has a bigger sound. All those hype about 2 ohms...take it with pinch of salt. It's probably true for short duration but if you're talking about continuous listening at loud volumes, you will hit the amp bottleneck especially when dealing with low sensitivity speakers such as ATC.

I like Naim house sound , just thinking of changing to explore other sound. Just a thought though, beside i had heard great comment bout ATC i think your 52/135 is well suit for the ATC not so sure bout my NAP200 though even though Naim are known to drive loads as low as 2 ohm (this is what i heard).

I am quite happy with my Naim/Dynaudio combi at the moment.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: nautilus on January 27, 2010, 21:47
Well i used to drive a Dyn focus 220 with a 250.2. Doesn't work for me at all. Bass was wooly and overblown. In the end sold it for a loss after a few months. That being said, i've heard the 110 is a better speaker than 220. Think i was too greedy thinking that floorstanders are better.  ;D
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: rahul on January 27, 2010, 22:02
Well i used to drive a Dyn focus 220 with a 250.2. Doesn't work for me at all. Bass was wooly and overblown. In the end sold it for a loss after a few months. That being said, i've heard the 110 is a better speaker than 220. Think i was too greedy thinking that floorstanders are better.  ;D

Was it the original Focus 220  ?  Never heard it...but have read about the same wooly bass issue with this speaker from others as well.
Thats one of the specific shortcomings that Dynaudio addressed with Focus 220 MKII

So maybe you shot the wrong guy :-)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: nautilus on January 27, 2010, 22:16
Was it the original Focus 220  ?  Never heard it...but have read about the same wooly bass issue with this speaker from others as well.
Thats one of the specific shortcomings that Dynaudio addressed with Focus 220 MKII

So maybe you shot the wrong guy :-)

I'm steering clear of Dyns. Maybe the new black series compliments it, but i'm doubtful that my olives will do the job well. It was an expensive lesson learnt as i sold off a super new conditioned run-in spkr at a loss.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on January 27, 2010, 22:33
The only Dyns I was truly impressed is the non-ported Contour 2.8 with Esotar tweeter and a passive radiator. Another hard to drive speaker  but when driven well is impressive.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: scoobydoo on January 27, 2010, 22:43
... But i am not so much into their speaker and cables. ...

Ya... a friend of mine tells me politely that my SBLs are an "acquired taste"...  ;D

Nonetheless, I love it to bits. In my experience, only the DBLs and the acapella sounds as good.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on January 27, 2010, 23:15
You havent heard a Naim driven ATC  ;D. BTW, the DBL drivers are from ATC.  ;D
Ya... a friend of mine tells me politely that my SBLs are an "acquired taste"...  ;D

Nonetheless, I love it to bits. In my experience, only the DBLs and the acapella sounds as good.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: xerox on January 27, 2010, 23:58
Well i used to drive a Dyn focus 220 with a 250.2. Doesn't work for me at all. Bass was wooly and overblown. In the end sold it for a loss after a few months. That being said, i've heard the 110 is a better speaker than 220. Think i was too greedy thinking that floorstanders are better.  ;D

I have a small room thus cannot have Floorstander. I learned my lesson too, i downsize from floorstander to 110. So far so good, not much complaint. I don't expect too much from the 110, it is just an entry level bookshelf but it had exceeded my expectation.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: 42.2 on January 28, 2010, 15:28
I have a small room thus cannot have Floorstander. I learned my lesson too, i downsize from floorstander to 110. So far so good, not much complaint. I don't expect too much from the 110, it is just an entry level bookshelf but it had exceeded my expectation.

Hi Xerox, i like Naim house sound too but had moved on to other makes as Naim is too expensive for me to upgrade.

Naim matches very well with Harbeth, try a P3 be it old or new, since you mentioned abt bookshelf.  It is easier to drive, nothing like ATC  ;D  But no doubt, given good power, ATC shines.  Not easy to move away if you like Naim sound.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: fx on January 28, 2010, 17:40
I have a small room thus cannot have Floorstander. I learned my lesson too, i downsize from floorstander to 110. So far so good, not much complaint. I don't expect too much from the 110, it is just an entry level bookshelf but it had exceeded my expectation.

My room is 3.5m by 3.5m. Should I say downsize or upgrade from Sonus Faber Grand Piano floorstander to Dynaudio 1.3 SE bookself. The amazing dyn bookshelf outclass the sf floorstander in every sonic aspect. :o. There's no turning back. ;D  It needs powerful amp to shine.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on January 28, 2010, 19:33
Paul Stephenson, boss of naim is in town next Tuesday. Who's going?

www.absolutesound.com.sg
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: rahul on January 28, 2010, 20:20
I'm steering clear of Dyns. Maybe the new black series compliments it, but i'm doubtful that my olives will do the job well. It was an expensive lesson learnt as i sold off a super new conditioned run-in spkr at a loss.

I think thats fair. A wrong combination can turn out to be an expensive mistake.
Naim power specs do look quite conservative. Perhaps they find it hard to retain their house sound with big chunky amps.

Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: xerox on January 28, 2010, 20:58
I think thats fair. A wrong combination can turn out to be an expensive mistake.
Naim power specs do look quite conservative. Perhaps they find it hard to retain their house sound with big chunky amps.



Yes Naim are conservative about the figure but it don't not mean it is under powered. I felt my 70 watt amp is more powerful then some of the big chunky amp out there thus IMO figure it not everything.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on February 25, 2010, 09:48
Bumping up the thread and at the same time wonder if there's any Naimees who hot rod their Naims with Avondale stuff?

I just did mine by replacing the original NAPA boards with NCC200s. The improvements are impressive!  :D
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: ryder on February 26, 2010, 14:48
May I ask if anybody compared the Naim XS to the Densen DM10? I would like to know what are the sonic differences between these two integrateds. Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: asylum on April 01, 2011, 03:37
saw from UOB newsletter that there's 15% off on all naim products from absolute sound!
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: ryder on April 01, 2011, 11:13
Asylum, you just resurrected an old thread.

It is funny sometimes to read some of the old responses we made on old threads. I noticed I asked a question more than a year ago on this thread. At that time I do not own a Naim yet. Now that I"ve jumped on the Naim bandwagon there is no turning back.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: mrtan on April 01, 2011, 11:35
saw from UOB newsletter that there's 15% off on all naim products from absolute sound!

15% Off RRP still very ex...
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: asylum on April 01, 2011, 13:40
didn't want to create another thread for nth, so posted it here!

15% better than nothing! quite surprised to see 15% on a popular brand. was expecting 5% for popular brands ;D
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on April 01, 2011, 14:17
I think we need to find out more. If could be a case of Naim just raised prices and AS is just giving discounts off the new price. Then it's back to square one.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: mrtan on April 01, 2011, 17:10
I think we need to find out more. If could be a case of Naim just raised prices and AS is just giving discounts off the new price. Then it's back to square one.

Highly possible...Anyway i must say that sg prices is relatively higher compared to uk retail price if you do a direct conversion....partly due to the freight and taxes to get it here. So if you wanna know sg retail price, just take uk's retail price x 2 + a few hundred dollars.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: cstanxpl on April 01, 2011, 18:01
Think need to minus the VAT charged in UK (20%) then convert to SGD then plus 7% GST (for final cost) then accurate? ???
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: xerox on April 03, 2011, 02:11
Having bought my CDX2 and 282 from them recently. I find AS price for Naim is pretty reasonable with the weak pound the Naim now is more affordable.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: adamsandler on April 03, 2011, 11:34
Hi, what's your opinion on the 282 pre? I am considering the 282+250+hicap combo.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: xerox on April 03, 2011, 18:50
Hi, what's your opinion on the 282 pre? I am considering the 282+250+hicap combo.

Well if you compared it against 202/Super Nait , the 282 sounded less veil and have better PRAT then the 202/Super Nait.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: adamsandler on April 03, 2011, 22:37
Thanks for the sharing on 282.

What's the sound difference between old series 52 and 135 versus newer black series 283 n 250.2?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on April 03, 2011, 22:58
52 is better than 282. 135 is better than 250.2.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: xerox on April 03, 2011, 23:10
52 is better than 282. 135 is better than 250.2.

To each of it's own.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on April 03, 2011, 23:23
To each of it's own.
Different sound yes. But it's mentioned numerous times in Naim forum. 52 is between a 252 and 282. Like wise 135 is between a 300 and 250.2.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: xerox on April 03, 2011, 23:36
For me the sounding is different between Olive and Classic, so i would say it is up to individual. Btw you using all stock Naim cabling?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on April 03, 2011, 23:38
For me the sounding is different between Olive and Classic, so i would say it is up to individual. Btw you using all stock Naim cabling?
No. AR Sound Green from cdp-pre and pre-power.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: xerox on April 03, 2011, 23:44
No. AR Sound Green from cdp-pre and pre-power.

How do you find the AR cable as compared to the stock cable? Beside what speaker cable you using? Nac A5? Recently saw this on the net, might be keen to try if i have the time.

http://www.connexaudio.com/naim_interconnects.php
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on April 03, 2011, 23:57
How do you find the AR cable as compared to the stock cable? Beside what speaker cable you using? Nac A5? Recently saw this on the net, might be keen to try if i have the time.

http://www.connexaudio.com/naim_interconnects.php

A lot better than stock.

For speaker cable, still using NACA5....it's not easy replace this. I have tried and failed.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: adamsandler on April 04, 2011, 00:06
Well, I have arranged for home trial with AS. Will report back on how the 282 n 250.2 combo performs.

What your views on Naim phonostages?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: xerox on April 04, 2011, 00:12
A lot better than stock.

For speaker cable, still using NACA5....it's not easy replace this. I have tried and failed.

I see.

Well, I have arranged for home trial with AS. Will report back on how the 282 n 250.2 combo performs.

What your views on Naim phonostages?

Not into turntable thus cannot comment, maybe Naimster can help? Beside whats source, speaker you using for 282/250?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: adamsandler on April 04, 2011, 00:49
I am using Verity Parsifal Ovation speakers. Source is DPS2 turntable.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on April 04, 2011, 00:49
Have not heard the new Superline. The only ones I heard are the built in phonos (K, S cards). Stageline and the Prefix. My take is that power supply play a big role. A Superline powered by flatcap would probably be mediocre and wasteful. A Superline powered by Supercap should be awesome.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on April 04, 2011, 08:26
I am using Verity Parsifal Ovation speakers. Source is DPS2 turntable.
Dps2 is an excellent tt...think there are other choices besides naim. I would personally go for whest p30rdt if budget allows.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: adamsandler on April 04, 2011, 14:22
Yes the whest is on my list. But thought of going full naim for max synergy.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on April 04, 2011, 22:23
I am using Verity Parsifal Ovation speakers. Source is DPS2 turntable.

A very nice turntable with great drive and PRaT. One of my favourites. Your speakers too one of my favourites. By the way, I use a Whest phono, and recommend it for its speed, dynamics and ability to do PRaT very well.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: adamsandler on April 07, 2011, 22:05
Yes, both DPS and Verity are great musical instruments. It's one of those purchases which makes you feel contented.

Anyway, I feel naim makes very musically engaging products too.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on April 07, 2011, 23:09
Anyway, I feel naim makes very musically engaging products too.

Yes agreed, although I will disagree that it is the only brand which makes musically engaging products. Enjoy the journey to find the gear that floats your boat.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: adamsandler on April 16, 2011, 12:16
Hi guys,

After an impressive home trial, I bought the nac282, hi-cap2 and nap250.2 combo. Music is fast, dynamic with great tonality.

Tried listening to my LPs yesterday and found out my maid had accidentally damaged my AT33ev cartridge which I bought about 1 month ago.  :-\

Any recommendation for carts to go with a naim set up?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on April 16, 2011, 13:12

Tried listening to my LPs yesterday and found out my maid had accidentally damaged my AT33ev cartridge which I bought about 1 month ago.  :-\

Any recommendation for carts to go with a naim set up?

Ouch!! Try Dynavectors. Always a fave for those who love PRaT. Available from CD Acoustic. Also Lyra, but it can be a touch lean although whip-fast. Clearaudio for a compromise of speed, warmth and dynamics. The good news is that all 3 makes are within a floor of each other in Adelphi. 
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: malsound on April 16, 2011, 14:33
Quote
Tried listening to my LPs yesterday and found out my maid had accidentally damaged my AT33ev cartridge which I bought about 1 month ago.   
So what are you going to do to the maid now.  ;D

Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: adamsandler on April 16, 2011, 14:58
What can I do?

There is nothing we can do about it. Just have to warn her never to touch anything in my Hifi room.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on April 16, 2011, 20:25
What can I do?

There is nothing we can do about it. Just have to warn her never to touch anything in my Hifi room.

You are not the first, neither will you be the last, to find your precious cart with a missing stylus, or bent cantilever caused by a maid's cleaning.

My maid does not enter my hi-fi room at all. I self clean everything, even the floor, carpets and furniture. So far so good :-)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on April 16, 2011, 20:35
Sorry to hear abt the mishap... Possible to go back dealer and ask for discount if get same cart? Provided if u like this cart a lot la.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: malsound on April 16, 2011, 22:33
I wonder whether anywhere in the maid insurance policy, one can purchase a rider for this sort of thing. I know there are  brothers out there with cartridges worth a COE or two.

Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: adamsandler on April 16, 2011, 23:49
Our gahment protects FDW. Yes some bros here have very expensive carts. If damaged by maid, I wouldn't know how they will react. My cart is about 1 month plus old and not even run in yet.

Anyway, what power cords do you guys use with your naim systems? Any naim users tried the naim powerline and hi-line in their systems?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on April 18, 2011, 12:13
Anyway, what power cords do you guys use with your naim systems? Any naim users tried the naim powerline and hi-line in their systems?
Stock power cords all the way but terminated with oyaide m1 plugs. IMHO, the key gain in powerline is actually the plugs. So if you can get hold of a plug of similar performance (oyaide m1 IMHO is one), you can get similar gains. As for hiline, I went for AR Sound greenlink which worked a treat in my setup.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: adamsandler on May 14, 2011, 22:47
Hey Naimster, I tried experimenting with several power cords over the past couple of weeks and the stock Naim I-sheng power cord still sounds best! Strange....as the naim stock cord is thin and cheap looking.

With the stock cable, it is so much more transparent and musical! How do you explain that! I was at sim lim tower and saw the I-sheng power cords for sale at 5 bucks only.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on June 08, 2011, 20:45
Hi,

Anyone got lobang for NACA5 5m cable terminated with Naim plugs? Absolute sound price for a new pair is a bit on the high side..
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: xerox on September 10, 2011, 12:47
ah.... how time goes by it already 1 years plus since this tread started. Might be buying the Snaic and din from this site for my Naim --

http://www.connexaudio.com/naim_interconnects.php

Any bro have stuff to share?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: adamsandler on September 10, 2011, 13:12
I am using the stock Naim interconnects but am curious how the AR sound and connex ones sound.

By the way, am thinking of getting another hicap to power my 282, any views in this?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: xerox on September 10, 2011, 13:20
I am using the stock Naim interconnects but am curious how the AR sound and connex ones sound.

By the way, am thinking of getting another hicap to power my 282, any views in this?

Definitely not a fan of Naim cable (hopefully i don't get flame for saying this) I am currently using Yter speaker cable, custom VDH din for my CDX2, powercord using Vh-audio DIY Recipes with Furutech plug/iec with good result. Seriously the Naim cable is limiting the potential of the setup also if there is something i want to complaint about Naim is that they use Din, it make cable choice so difficult and limited. But having say that i still like the way Naim presence the music.

BTW mind listing your entire setup and whats the thing that you are unhappy with that you need another highcap? For me i am happy with my single-hicap 282/200/CDX2 combi.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: adamsandler on September 10, 2011, 13:39
Difference school of thought on this. I use the stock Naim cables with the Naca5 speaker cables and found it musically very satisfying.

Adding another hicap is just my curiosity and based in what i read from the naim forum. Of course the ultimate will be to pair it with the supercap.

Using 282, hicap, 250.2, DPS2 turntable with verity parsifal ovation speakers.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: xerox on September 10, 2011, 13:52
Interesting finding..... if the Naim cables work fine stick with it. BTW i think the general idea of getting another hi-cap is to power the other audio circuit of the pre consider that the NAPSC powers the digital and control circuits. But i feel it is much more worthwhile to jump to Supercap instead as i remember trial run with a 2nd highcap in my setup before but it does not yield enough improvement to justify for the price tag. I haven't try Supercap but i feel it is worthwhile if you have intention to go for 252.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: adamsandler on September 10, 2011, 14:26
Never had the chance to try the 252. From what I read, the 282 is the value for money pre in the Naim family. Yes, I will stick with current configuration but will also get the naim phonostage to complete the line up. How do you find the cdx2?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: xerox on September 10, 2011, 14:36
Yeah i do agree with you that the 282 is the sweet spot anything further i will most likely switch out of Naim and try something else. For it's price it is pretty hard to beat.

The speed/timing and dynamics of the CDx2 is fantastic and on piano/violin track it is crisp and precise. I like it so much that when my first CDX2 with the VAM1250 fail due to some issue i replaced it with another CDX2 from AS, the newer one had BNC output and sound more refine as compared to the earlier batch.

But was told to get more out of the CDX2 is to add in the Dac, which when i A/B it against the CDX2 was nothing fantastic.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on September 10, 2011, 18:25
I have tried numerous speaker cables... Oyaide, neotech, chord, audience to conclude that it's hard to beat naca5. Against naca5, the rest of the cables wins in some department and loses in others. Where it loses to naca5 has been always attributes that matters to me in terms of music enjoyment. Naca5 is simply more coherent and musical sounding even though it loses out in resolution and noise floor. There's a reason why naim has superline and hiline for their powercords and ic but not the speaker cable. It is not easy to replace naca5. YMMV.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: xerox on September 10, 2011, 18:38
I think in a way, Naca5 + default din and powerline is more like a recommended cables for Naim but then again one can do more to explore to and tune to your 'prefer' sound and liking. Anyway sound is rather subjective and most importantly is to enjoy the music. :)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on September 10, 2011, 19:07
I have tried my previous 82 with 1 hicap, 2 hicap and supercap. 2 hicap is really nothing to shout about really... Just slightly lower noise floor. Better off save moolah for a supercap and then get the 252/52. 82/282 is not fully utilizing the 7pairs of regulated rails,,  so supercap is still kinda wasted with the 82/282.

In terms of performance improvement, the jump from 82 to 52 is much much satisfying than hi to super. Music just become more real and organic with details oozing out naturally compared against 82.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: adamsandler on September 10, 2011, 19:37
Yes the 252 with supercap will be much superior over the 282 hicap since price is about doubled. However, its hard to make comparison a AS only has 282 on demo.

I do think sound is subjective but overall naim users go for musicality and prat above all else.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on September 10, 2011, 19:55
What I meant was that over the years naim has successfully launched upgrades for their stock ic and power cords in the form of hiline and powerline but still did not hv an upgrade for naca5.

I think in a way, Naca5 + default din and powerline is more like a recommended cables for Naim but then again one can do more to explore to and tune to your 'prefer' sound and liking. Anyway sound is rather subjective and most importantly is to enjoy the music. :)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: xerox on September 10, 2011, 21:14
What I meant was that over the years naim has successfully launched upgrades for their stock ic and power cords in the form of hiline and powerline but still did not hv an upgrade for naca5.



I see btw may i know where you buy your hutter rack? I try calling Soundscape but they mention they don't carry this brand anymore.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on September 10, 2011, 21:20

I see btw may i know where you buy your hutter rack? I try calling Soundscape but they mention they don't carry this brand anymore.
Soundscape... many moons back when they were selling it. I did buy 1 tier berore from a  UK dealer recently. Price is not cheap though....lemme look up my old emails and I get back to you.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: xerox on September 10, 2011, 21:24
Thanks man. But i think it will cost a bomb to ship the entire rack from overseas.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: adamsandler on September 10, 2011, 21:30
Isoblue from UK looks nice and matches naim. Saw the prices online and still cheaper than the Fraim. Of course Fraim is still the preferred rack for naim.

I asked about hutter too but JR not bringing in anymore.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: xerox on September 10, 2011, 21:38
I would love to have a Fraim but it is way too cosy as for Fraim lite, it is cheaper but not still on the high side. I am still hunting for a rack to accommodate my Naim, AV amp and a small tv.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: virtueblue on September 11, 2011, 15:31
Bro xerox, I'm also looking for rack to house my Naim 202/200 hicap and NAPSC. Is there any good recommendation? I'm looking at TAOC and HI FI PODIUM that musiclink is taking in soon. But I heard from Absolute Sound that solid wood is not suitable to house Naim equipment and solid metal legs are better than wooden legs so I was taken aback by the choice of Podium. Any advice? Thanks  ;)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: xerox on September 11, 2011, 19:23
I am not into rack but is on the hunt for suitable rack within my budget for my Naim. I am thinking about setting 2k for it, not sure what i can get.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: mikapoh on September 11, 2011, 21:02
Hi guys,

I am very interested in Isoblue rack to house my naims, any chance to find them in S'pore? Does any of you order online from UK store?

Fraims are out of my reach.


Thanks.


Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: adamsandler on September 11, 2011, 23:18
The Hifi podium racks look good. We can buy from musiclink?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: xerox on September 11, 2011, 23:33
Realized this look similar to fraim design with isolation of the glass with ball bearing.


http://store.atacama-audio.co.uk/products/productdetail/Equinox+HiFi+Celebration/part_number=Equinoxcelebrationbase/180/130/758.2.4.3.108004.0.0.0.0?pp=12&
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: adamsandler on September 12, 2011, 01:02
Where can one get the equinox in spore?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: xerox on September 12, 2011, 10:05
Where can one get the equinox in spore?

Electrades Adelphi.

Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: dreamboy on September 12, 2011, 13:39
Sirs, may i ask how much does the XS cost? Im currently looking for an amp and probably include it in my list to demo.

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: mrtan on September 12, 2011, 16:26
I am not into rack but is on the hunt for suitable rack within my budget for my Naim. I am thinking about setting 2k for it, not sure what i can get.

How about Rack of Silence? I think has better build/ quality then Fraim /Fraimlite
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: xerox on September 13, 2011, 10:53
How about Rack of Silence? I think has better build/ quality then Fraim /Fraimlite

The problem is i need to accommodate a LCD TV thus it might be feasible. 
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: virtueblue on September 13, 2011, 11:45
Sirs, may i ask how much does the XS cost? Im currently looking for an amp and probably include it in my list to demo.

Thanks in advance

Nait XS should cost around 3000
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: dreamboy on September 13, 2011, 12:06
Nait XS should cost around 3000

Bro thanks for the reply. Actually got to demo it and had a quote from Vik. More or less within that range incl the cable.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: mrtan on September 13, 2011, 12:33
The problem is i need to accommodate a LCD TV thus it might be feasible. 

The dealer here do sell acrylic sheets to place on top of the ball bearings which could solve your problem?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: xerox on September 13, 2011, 23:03
The dealer here do sell acrylic sheets to place on top of the ball bearings which could solve your problem?

How much am i looking at for the Rack of Silence?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: xerox on September 13, 2011, 23:04
Bro thanks for the reply. Actually got to demo it and had a quote from Vik. More or less within that range incl the cable.

What do you intended to drive the XS with?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: mrtan on September 13, 2011, 23:22
How much am i looking at for the Rack of Silence?

Below 2k for 3 or 4 tier can't remember :P
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: xerox on September 13, 2011, 23:25
Below 2k for 3 or 4 tier can't remember :P

I had 6 boxes so will need 2 rack? ~Faint~ but seems to be cheaper than fraim.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: mrtan on September 13, 2011, 23:54
Ya Fraim is ard 2.3k for 2 tier(base + 1 std shelf). Each standard shelf is ard $800.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: virtueblue on September 14, 2011, 01:03
Bro xerox, how about frame lite or even the TAOC? Around 1.7k to 2k for 3 tier for both.

Bro dreamboy, have you heard the 122x and 150x? Personally I like this combi over the Nait XS. Price is about the same.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: dreamboy on September 14, 2011, 06:56
What do you intended to drive the XS with?

I was considering it to drive my focus 110 but eventually went for a Densen B110.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: xerox on September 14, 2011, 09:56
I was considering it to drive my focus 110 but eventually went for a Densen B110.

I used to drive my 110 with my Naim Pre/Pwd with good results, my close friend is using SuperNait to drive the S1.4 too.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on September 14, 2011, 10:17
I think as long as the rack is of light and rigid design, at least the PRaT aspects of Naim doesn't get killed, which is probably why solid wood are not recommended due to weight. Racks like Hutter uses lightweight laminated wood which is why they are one of Naim user favourties. The other rack which I think would work well (though not cheap) is the Finite Elemente stuff.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: mrtan on September 14, 2011, 10:41
I was considering it to drive my focus 110 but eventually went for a Densen B110.

This is a very nice and popular combo used by many Dynaudio folks.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: mrtan on September 14, 2011, 10:49
Bro xerox, how about frame lite or even the TAOC? Around 1.7k to 2k for 3 tier for both.

Bro dreamboy, have you heard the 122x and 150x? Personally I like this combi over the Nait XS. Price is about the same.

Did a home demo with 122x/150x and they are really powerful as compared to my previous Nait 5i-2 rated at same wattage. That is the first time where i heard my totem arro sing.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: xerox on September 14, 2011, 10:49
Hi naimster, how much would a Finite Elements cost?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: xerox on September 14, 2011, 10:52
hi tan if 122x/150x is powerful why you choose XS? I have friend thats is undecided between this 2.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: virtueblue on September 14, 2011, 11:10
Personally I auditioned XS and 122x/150x. The latter sound much better in my opinion.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: mrtan on September 14, 2011, 11:30
hi tan if 122x/150x is powerful why you choose XS? I have friend thats is undecided between this 2.

We did a A/B test in the showroom and feels that XS seems to gel music better. To me 122x/150x was like a raging bull with lots of bang and slam where you will be attracted to it but not for long. XS sounded more "right" where it paints a more holistic view of the whole picture esp to the background details allowing you to look /feel more into the music.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on September 14, 2011, 12:32
Hi naimster, how much would a Finite Elements cost?
Not sure. Check with music by design.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: xerox on September 17, 2011, 18:08
@naimster - thanks for the listening session. Will tweak and catch up with you again. :)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on September 17, 2011, 22:30
@naimster - thanks for the listening session. Will tweak and catch up with you again. :)
Welcomed. Good to hv neighbor naimees in the west area! They are a rare breed. LOL.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: mikapoh on September 24, 2011, 14:44
Hi all,
Currently, my naim XS equipments are each sitting directly on a MDF platform decoupling by bearing nuts from a long wooden bench.

I am planning to get a decent rack. Is FraimLite brings significant improvement to the sound? Which areas of improvements can I expect?


Thanks.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on September 24, 2011, 16:01
When equipment level reaches a certain level, a significantly better rack will  be like a component upgrade. When I got my hutter moons back, the improvement is similar to changing from a hicap to a supercap on my 82.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: mikapoh on September 25, 2011, 10:02
Thank you naimster for the thought.

I am contemplated to have a power supply upgrade to my naims but I've been advised to go for a decent rack instead.

And here you go to say changing rack is like upgrading our component....wow I've never thought of this before.

Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on September 25, 2011, 10:18
Actually whichever option u take will reap benefits. Ultimately you want get both. ;D
Having said that getting a naim rack will make ur system look nicer and sounding better at the same time. point to note about naim racks... Their height is more or less catered for naim stuff so if one fine day you outgrown naim you will have to change racks unlike other more universal rack.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: mrtan on September 25, 2011, 15:14
Hi all,
Currently, my naim XS equipments are each sitting directly on a MDF platform decoupling by bearing nuts from a long wooden bench.

I am planning to get a decent rack. Is FraimLite brings significant improvement to the sound? Which areas of improvements can I expect?

My encounters with fraimlite are more space around instruments and more depth.


Thanks.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: mikapoh on September 25, 2011, 22:16
mrtan, do you think it is worth to get the FraimLite? Does it exceed your overall expectation?



 
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: mrtan on September 25, 2011, 22:57
mrtan, do you think it is worth to get the FraimLite? Does it exceed your overall expectation?



 

I find the build/quality is poor but its a nice pcs of upgrade if you do not have a proper rack now. I would opt for Rack of Silence when i move up to pre/power. Right now the fraimlite package is sufficient for my 2 devices.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: mikapoh on September 30, 2011, 16:31
I have quite made up my mind that my next wish-list is a proper rack, most likely a FraimLite. Although I think my naim kits deserve a better Hi-fi rack than just DIY wooden bench, my heart feels that a PSU is a better bet  :-[

I have heard many good things about a PSU brings to the main component. But now I have to force myself not to think that far. Just stick to the plan and work towards the goal of building a good sound foundation first.

I hope I've made the right choice for my hard earned money. Wish me luck.



Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: mrtan on October 01, 2011, 21:02
I have quite made up my mind that my next wish-list is a proper rack, most likely a FraimLite. Although I think my naim kits deserve a better Hi-fi rack than just DIY wooden bench, my heart feels that a PSU is a better bet  :-[

I have heard many good things about a PSU brings to the main component. But now I have to force myself not to think that far. Just stick to the plan and work towards the goal of building a good sound foundation first.

I hope I've made the right choice for my hard earned money. Wish me luck.





I do agree with you that your equipment deserve a proper rack before moving up the ladder. You might want to try a powerline as its cheaper the a PSU upgrade.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: mikapoh on October 02, 2011, 14:14
Thanks mrtan for your thought.

I read somewhere that some ppl suggest powerline to hook up the PS. They recommend PSU first. I guess the upgrade path is never-ending... :D



 
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: mikapoh on October 02, 2011, 14:18
mrtan, since you're using the same nait xs amp as mine, what other improvements do you perceive beside better separation and depth by using the FramLite? What about the bass?? How much improvement do you rate the FramLite in % term?


Thanks.

Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: virtueblue on November 14, 2011, 08:29
Hi all bro

Would like to ask bro who are using Teddycap or TeddyXPS, how do you compare with Naim PSU?

I saw a lot of reviews saying that Teddy produces better PSU than Naim, I wonder how true is it. Would appreciate bro who are using Teddy PSU to contribute.

Many thanks in advance.

@bro naimster, I would like to gather more information about the Teddy PSU from owners. Hope you don't mind. Anyway thanks for your warm invitation.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: cvwong on November 14, 2011, 18:36
Hi virtueblue,

I myself is using Teddy supercap and teddy xps to power my cds3 and nac282. Unfortunately I have not heard a comparison between naim xps/supercap against teddy. I interested to know the difference and to do a/b test if given a chance. teddy supercap and xps is light and I can bring over to any bro who have the naim xps/supercap and interested in the a/b test.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: virtueblue on November 14, 2011, 19:01
Hi bro cwong,

I have just sent you a pm. Maybe we can arrange one day to do the test so as to write up some local reviews regarding Naim PSU vs Teddy PSU. I have a Naim XPS and probably we can do AB on the XPS.

I know bro naimster has a supercap. Maybe he can help us on this area to do the AB of he's alright with it. Thanks

Cheers.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on November 15, 2011, 10:41
Well, if you guys are keen on AB, sure I am game for it but would prefer to be at my place as the supercap is really heavy.

One disclaimer, my supercap is a modded unit. What you hear will be totally different from the stock supercap/supercap2 ( much better of course :P ) and will not be a true representation of the stock supercap if that's what you want to compare.

I know bro naimster has a supercap. Maybe he can help us on this area to do the AB of he's alright with it. Thanks
Cheers.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: cvwong on November 15, 2011, 16:32
Hi Naimster,

Thanks, I am ok to go to your place for supercap ab. Just need to link up Virtueblue. I understand he can't make it this weekend. Will arrange some time convenient to all of us. Keep in touch. :).
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Doggie Howser on December 10, 2011, 20:37
I actually went to listen to the baby Maggie's but my father-in-law ended up getting tempted by the UNITIQUTE! ;)

Some research later, we are looking at the UNITI

Simple. And sounds great. He's thinking if getting rid of his Audiolab 8200 CDQ, W4S ST500 power amp and Marantz NA8004 with the one box.

Anyone used it with the UNITI yet?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: xerox on July 16, 2012, 17:03
Up for awareness :)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Pani on July 16, 2012, 18:10
Yeah i  don't believe in an all Naim setup. But i must admit their CDP is one of the best in the market and if you look at some review the Naim CDP is sometime use as a benchmark.

I have to agree with you (even though it is a very old post of yours) ;). Naim sources are one of the best I have heard. I have owned Reimyo and Audio Aero Prestige in the past but none of them had the rightness to music reproduction that a good Naim has. They certainly know a thing or two about music reproduction. I did not like the olive Naim CDPs but the newer designs just dont allow me to look elsewhere !!

One thing about Naim CDP is, digitis is gone forever, it rather feels like an unknown territory when people say they want some cables that can take care of digitis.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: xerox on July 17, 2012, 00:58
Wow Reimyo and Audio Aero Prestige they should be pretty decent isn't it? I suppose you must have at least a CDS3 with 252. Mind listing your setup for me to admire? :)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: ref3706 on November 22, 2012, 17:41
Keeping this thread alive.  Another naim user here.  CD5>FC2s>202>napsc>200.  Speakers are B&W 705.
Have been using this setup for the past 7yrs and till date the naim sound still gives me a broad grin when I play tracks from Pink Flyod to Linkin Park! PRAT rocks!

That said, thinking about placing a hi-cap. Will it improve sound significantly or just marginal? Or look for a 2nd hand CD2x? But that means it'll be bare, and will be itching to pair it with xps!
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: xerox on November 22, 2012, 20:57
Keeping this thread alive.  Another naim user here.  CD5>FC2s>202>napsc>200.  Speakers are B&W 705.
Have been using this setup for the past 7yrs and till date the naim sound still gives me a broad grin when I play tracks from Pink Flyod to Linkin Park! PRAT rocks!

That said, thinking about placing a hi-cap. Will it improve sound significantly or just marginal? Or look for a 2nd hand CD2x? But that means it'll be bare, and will be itching to pair it with xps!

Yes, you should add the Hi-cap for the 202. It improve the sound significantly somehow the sound open up with the hi-cap. After which you can consider upgrading the source.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: virtueblue on November 23, 2012, 00:53
+1

As a previous 202/200 user, hicap really opens up the sound by quite a fair bit and I believe after placing a hicap in, you can't take it off after that.

I've since upgraded to a higher range and I have an extra hicap in my store room. Do PM me if you are interested.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: douce on December 25, 2012, 20:52
I am using SN with Hi-cap but decided to go for the digital audio path. I am looking for a DAC to hook up to my SB and considering various DAC including Naim DAC.

For the benefit of the discussion, i felt it make sense to open up the discussion here since i am asking about Naim Dac. Anyone would like to comment about the NDAC, how does it compare to other brand of DAC and the reason why you choose it. Is the DAC better than the Naim CDX2, can the dac perform without the XPS? The overall price of Ndac + XPS2 is pretty steep so to me it does not make sense to me and at that price it open up lots of options.

Please feel free to comment. Thanks.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kmchow98 on December 26, 2012, 07:17
I am using SN with Hi-cap but decided to go for the digital audio path. I am looking for a DAC to hook up to my SB and considering various DAC including Naim DAC.

For the benefit of the discussion, i felt it make sense to open up the discussion here since i am asking about Naim Dac. Anyone would like to comment about the NDAC, how does it compare to other brand of DAC and the reason why you choose it. Is the DAC better than the Naim CDX2, can the dac perform without the XPS? The overall price of Ndac + XPS2 is pretty steep so to me it does not make sense to me and at that price it open up lots of options.

Please feel free to comment. Thanks.

Hi Douce, I am replying to this thread instead of the DAC recommendation thread.
At ~4k, you no doubt have lots of decent choices to pick from. But how do you know they are here to stay in your system for years?

I have used non naim DACs in the past, reasoning that all DACs sound largely the same. I thought there should be no reason to spend so much on a DAC, and get only minor improvements, like better bass, more details.....
Well, my previous DACs never managed to engage me, some did, but thy weren't perfect in some areas.  I ended up listening less to music in the long term.
Back to the Naim DAC, I had one loaned to me for a month. It was better in many ways, but most important, it got me interested to listening to music again. Take it out of the system, and bye bye to my music again.

That's how I measure how the Naim DAC is worth to me.

The power supply is icing on the cake. You don't have to buy it. But if you do, the improvement is immediately recognizable. Your choice. Do watch out for a 2nd hand teddyXPS in the future. Cuz a friend of mine is considering the naim XPS DR or 555PS DR.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: heuer on December 26, 2012, 13:35
It seem rather typical for Naim to design a "imperfect" product and in order to make it work "perfect" or "optimum" one had to fork out a decent amount on their so call upgrade PSU. Unfortunately the PSU is damn bloody expensive, just look at how much they price their XPS, 555PS and supercap you will know. I seriously cannot see why Naim can't do a proper job by doing it correctly the first time. I find it amazing when i saw people in Naim forum mentioned oh X product will be transform if you use a blar blar PSU. So does that mean the original item without PSU simply can't cut?

Naim approach leave much to be desired honestly and with this pricing one can source for other alternative. Just in case if you think i am flaming, i am a ex Naim users with 252/supercap/300/CDS3/XPS. Going upstream to 552/500/555 is double of 252/300/CDS3 in pricing but it does not guarantee double increase in performance. I had since move out of Naim and is happy that i make the choice to move on.

@Douce i suggest you to look for alternative as the NDAC might be a half cooked dac without the addtional XPS/555, i had heard the DAC before but not impressed with it. If you are willing to buy NDAC + XPS this combine budget should be able to get you an entry Esoteric or other gears.  If you look for used dac this budget open up to even more choices. Whether it sound good or not in your setup you have to go to demo/home trial.
 
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: virtueblue on December 26, 2012, 17:25
In fact quite a few top brands have their top range products with external power supply. Maybe the price is a bit too steep for power supply but i think the approach is correct for an external power supply.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: heuer on December 26, 2012, 18:02
precisely. get it right the first time and forget about upgrade.  HI-cap, super-cap are expensive and that is why avoid the black box altogether.

my thinking is they try to reduce the cost of the base unit; subsequently invite you to improve your unit by getting separate power supply. it is a good intention but costly. no doubt, a separate and good regulated power supply goes a long way toward hi-fidelity; not without higher cost and headache



Well the intention of separate PSU is good but i simply cannot understand why Naim can charge a sky high price tag for their PSU. The latest pricelist from a Naim dealer price 555DR at 9645, XPS 5695 and Supercap at 6595 usd. PSU is not rocket science but not sure why they are price at this price for Naim.

http://soundorg.com/info/naim/pricing/retail.pdf  << Naim nov 2012 pricing.

But i realized the newest 172XS do not have a PSU upgrade..... hmm change of trend?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: abc on December 27, 2012, 16:25
Approach is correct. Transformer hums and could affect them In the micro electronics region

But charging high prices is not understood. Ask yourself how much a transformer , regulator and diode cost. Even these component in military spec wont cost us a moon.

Oh sorry. I forgot the casing and the brain-child behind the power supply like supercap hi-cap.

I really don't naim product philosophy hence I avoid them. Maybe I am too poor for naim


Haha look at their interconnect what Hi-line thnini weening cable and it cost 1k plus. Also the Fraim rack..... super ex also i think similar price to FE racks.
Title: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on December 28, 2012, 09:17
Thin cables cannot be ex? Siltech cables also thin wat. :P

I do agree the new naims are overpriced and which is why I still held on to my old naims and improve by modding it. Already done the DR mod myself ages ago before Naim came out with DR and did one for a forumer here. It's a big step up and I highly recommend DR mod if its made available for older Naims and if you are willing to pay for it.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: virtueblue on December 28, 2012, 11:11
Yeah in fact i believe Naimster is referring to me. His mod for my olive xps is indeed a great jump to a stock one.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on February 02, 2013, 13:54
Hi,

I'm likely getting the upgraded 24/192khz unitiqute soon.
Any unitiqute user here? I would like to get some opinion on your setup and like wired vs wireless upnp, speakers used and other feedback from fellow unitiqute users here. Thanks.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: mingzhen on March 29, 2013, 18:48
Has anyone tried the Naim NAC-N 172 XS + NAP 155 XS? The Naim engineer told me that regarding the DAC performance, DAC V1 & ND5 XS > SuperUniti & NAC-N 172 XS > Uniti 2
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on March 30, 2013, 18:27
Mmm ... no Naimies around ...

Brother, can share what is your budget of this purchase?

(a) If about $10k, consider a used ndac/52/supercap/250. All will be olive series except the 250. This will get you the big, high end and mature naim sound. Its going to be the "wow!" kind of system. The source is still a problem, but it can be solve later.

(b) If below $10, then get a used unitiqute or uniti 2. Stay will it "forever" or wait till (a) happens.

I had switched from Naim to Linn some time back. But if I am going back to Naim, I will get a system very close to (a). This will be Linn KDS/1D+52+supercap+135.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: pathetichindsight on April 02, 2013, 11:48
Hi folks, i am a naim newbie and recently got a used naim cd5 xs and must say i really like this cdp compared to my previous audiolab 8200cd. Really musical & enjoyable, and gets me more involved in the music.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on April 02, 2013, 14:47
That has always been the traits of Naim. It just effortlessly draws one into the music even for the entry models. Going higher gives one more of the hifi attributes without losing sight of the music involvement. Enjoy!
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on April 02, 2013, 17:16
Naim is good stuff.

Its very popular in UK, but don't seems to have much followers in Singapore now. It also seems to be much more popular in Singapore 10 odd years ago. I remember 10 odd years back, when I was selling away the 52/supercap, it was snapped up really quickly. Now used Naim stuff don't really move in Singapore. Maybe I am wrong.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on April 02, 2013, 17:50
Naim is good stuff.

Its very popular in UK, but don't seems to have much followers in Singapore now. It also seems to be much more popular in Singapore 10 odd years ago. I remember 10 odd years back, when I was selling away the 52/supercap, it was snapped up really quickly. Now used Naim stuff don't really move in Singapore. Maybe I am wrong.
The chrome bumpers and olives were the heydays. IMHO those were the best Naim era. They have strong characters which translates to strong product differentiation that can command the premium over others. The new Naims though still retain some of the strengths of the old seemed to have lost ground in that niche and when they do that, they are just no different from other brands and people will just find it overpriced when other brands seemed to deliver a similar performance for less money.

P/S: If you still hv your 52/sc now, I am sure there are fans here who would love to have it. They are IMHO the best valued in terms of price/performance Naim has ever made.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on April 02, 2013, 18:37
+1. Great insight!

Naimster, what equipment you are using now?

Actually, I think that the old birds should showcase how a properly set up Naim system should sound like.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: virtueblue on April 02, 2013, 19:37
Well I certainly agree. After seeking opinion from naimster, I actually got myself a 52/sc instead of 252. To me 252 is slightly noisier in the background.

People translate Naim to rock music. I think that it has got to do with the new black box. If you compare with the olive, the olive can deliver very musical and precise rhythm and timing with very modest price.

If you were to go absolute sound to audition their Naim setup, they will play rock music which I think cannot really show the potential of Naim equipment.
Title: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on April 02, 2013, 21:07
+1. Great insight!

Naimster, what equipment you are using now?

Actually, I think that the old birds should showcase how a properly set up Naim system should sound like.

Its a heavily modified 52/sc/135. Source is a modified Exposure Cdp and a rega p9. Vinyl is my primary source.

Couldn't afford the new naims so resorted to DIY modding to push its performance. The main weakness of the olives are that they are noisier.... Once that is solved, IMHO it can really compete or better the newer naims,, resolution wise
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on April 02, 2013, 21:27
Its a heavily modified 52/sc/135. Source is a modified Exposure Cdp and a rega p9. Vinyl is my primary source.

Couldn't afford the new naims so resorted to DIY modding to push its performance. The main weakness of the olives are that they are noisier.... Once that is solved, IMHO it can really compete with the newer naims,

You guys changed the regulators ah? ;D
Title: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on April 02, 2013, 21:38
Yes but not from Naim
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: heuer on April 02, 2013, 22:00
Well I certainly agree. After seeking opinion from naimster, I actually got myself a 52/sc instead of 252. To me 252 is slightly noisier in the background.

People translate Naim to rock music. I think that it has got to do with the new black box. If you compare with the olive, the olive can deliver very musical and precise rhythm and timing with very modest price.

If you were to go absolute sound to audition their Naim setup, they will play rock music which I think cannot really show the potential of Naim equipment.

Since when does people associated the classic series with rock music. If you are with Naim long enough the CB and Olive is the one that sound raw which alot of people define as true Naim sound. Classic on the other end is more softer in this approach and in a way people say it is more refine. Try listen to the Supernait and you know what i mean. And seriously NAIM is quite an all rounder and if someone feel NAIM is good for rock they will be so shock. When i have a 252 and t-loan 552/500 i pop in almost everything from my rojak collection and they can handle everything.

This is something i miss when i move out of Naim is that they seems to somehow able to get hold of the musical aspect correct which many expensive amp is not able to.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on April 02, 2013, 23:55
Heuer, what are you using now?

I am not old enough to go through the cb era. I started Naim with the olive about 15 to 20 years ago. It was pretty fun being a Naimsters in those days.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: heuer on April 03, 2013, 00:35
I am really amuse by Bro Virtueblue comment that 252 is nosier than 52 and that the new Classic is good for rock. My finding is exactly opposite, the 252 have a quieter and darker presentation while 52 is more upfront and forward. The 52 have something good on its own but the Classic 252 or 552 have it's superiority as well and i would say it is 2 different presentation but with typical Naim sound.

Another thing bout Naim is i don't like using them with Teddy it simply alter the sound i know many have say Teddy is better but been thru it before seriously don't like it.....

I would love to have 552/500/555 anytime and will grab it if price is right.

@instek i started off with CB, Olive then Classic so you can say i play with alot of Naim. I am using Lavardin IT for room and pre-pwd KR audio with konzilla for main. And YES the newer Naim is overprice! Look at their lineup, i don't know what exactly is their focus now.

Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on April 03, 2013, 07:25
Heuer, they changed the LM 317 regulators with other regulators. That explains the lower floor noise. ;D

Virtueblue did not say Naim is for rock. He say people think that Naim is for rock and Absolute Sound demo with rock music. My understanding is that the rock image came from the CB/olive days and not the Classic days. Listening to a well set up high end Naim (for example CDS/52/supercap/snaxo2-4/supercap/135(x4)/sbl/mana) and considering the context of the 90s (not sure of the 80s as I was too young then), I can imagine why that happens. But maybe the old birds can share more.

The thing is, how many new Naimsters had really listened to a truly well set up high end Naim set? Without listening to it, its hard to understand the Naim sound. The result is that they imagine the Naim sound. I was lucky, that in my early Naim days, the old birds showcased their system. I learn a huge amount of things from them. Without them , I would still be imagining.

Title: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on April 03, 2013, 08:25
I agreed with heuer. 252 is definitely quieter than 52 and the olives and CB rocks better than classic. Actually i believe theres not much circuitry change in 252 compared to 52. Only think they did was probably changed out the outdated transistors and resistors with newer ones which has better performance. That's why I say 52 is value for money.

The LM317 has to go. It's really the only major thing that's impeding the performance of the olives and CB. Naim knew it but I am surprised it took them so many years to develop one to replace 'em. Anyway, it's better late than never. The regulators I use are pretty much has the same design as the Naim DR, so it's pretty retain the Naim sound with a much lowered noise floor and dynamic performance unlike Teddy Pardo. I didn't like Teddy regs design, that's why wasn't keen on getting Teddy caps.

Yeah, in the early days many old timer Naimees would be glad to show their Naims to newbie folks like me. Back then I just started out moving to Naim from Exposure. One staunch supporter of Naim was JR of Soundscape. He has since moved on but he was the one who showed me what the Naims are capable of especially when it comes to rock music.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on April 03, 2013, 09:07
Not that I am a supporter of Teddy Pardo, but I suspect it took Teddy Pardo to make Naim do something.

The DR upgrade hit the resale price of the used Naim power supply. This can be a good thing as it makes them more affordable. This makes 52/supercap pricing even more attractive.

Btw, which regulator are you using? I am thinking of whipping out a linear power supply for my NAS. I feel silly spending money on such things, but at least I get some fun building the power supply.

There is also a "storm" about the Chord Sarum Tuned ARAY on the Naim forum now. Some of the high end Naim players are endorsing it. I had not tried the cables. What you guys think?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: virtueblue on April 03, 2013, 11:54
I should rephrase. I didn't compare 52 with 252 side by side by I compared cds2 and cds3 side by side and I felt that cds2 is more superior and I may be wrong to generalize 52 and 252.

I too don't like the effect of teddy pardo.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: heuer on April 04, 2013, 13:04
The Sarum gives good effect to my ex-Naim rig i recall having better dynamics and quieter floornoise with them(no idea why this happen). I feel even AR din can trash the Lavender or Highline IMO. I happen to listen to one bro here driving Pen floorstander with his Naim with good effect. If i recall correctly he isn't using any form of Naim cabling at all also.

If one can get the 52 now, do get the one with the pot 8 i feel it is a great improvement over the previous one.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on April 04, 2013, 14:46
Heuer, thanks for the sharing.

You can get the Sarum upgraded right?

AR lunar and hiline sound different. If the system is on the bright side, then one has to be careful with using the AR Lunar. Its a good cable, but there was completely no takers in sg when I was selling it. There were quite a number of takers in the international market. So I sold it off to an Italian guy who was using a 555/552/500/avalon. He say its good stuff, sold his hiline away, and got some cash back. Hiline on the other hand is a pain to use. User with tight space behind the rack must not use this cable, if not good luck ;).
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Doggie Howser on April 04, 2013, 16:51
Had some time to kill while waiting to pick up the father in law from his appointment and Vik was generous enough to let me listen to his setup with the Naims now powering the Magnepan 1.7s. I had heard the 1.7s a while back with Esoteric electronics and I wasn't particularly overwhelmed but the Naims commanded the 1.7s with such amazing authority, it was quite spectacular. The bass was tightly controlled and punchy!

The pre and power combo were about 3k each, but I wasn't sure what the exact model was.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: heuer on April 04, 2013, 17:00
Heuer, thanks for the sharing.

You can get the Sarum upgraded right?

AR lunar and hiline sound different. If the system is on the bright side, then one has to be careful with using the AR Lunar. Its a good cable, but there was completely no takers in sg when I was selling it. There were quite a number of takers in the international market. So I sold it off to an Italian guy who was using a 555/552/500/avalon. He say its good stuff, sold his hiline away, and got some cash back. Hiline on the other hand is a pain to use. User with tight space behind the rack must not use this cable, if not good luck ;).

Yes upgraded. To me the highline and powerline is overhype and over price. Home trial them before and was very amaze how come some crap can command such a high price. I think our those diehard Naim in their forum will swear by them.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on April 04, 2013, 17:06
+1 for Vik

3k each? Most likely the 202/200 loh.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on April 04, 2013, 17:19
Yes upgraded. To me the highline and powerline is overhype and over price. Home trial them before and was very amaze how come some crap can command such a high price. I think our those diehard Naim in their forum will swear by them.

Yours is the rca, din, or xlr? I still waiting for a demo copy. I wait till neck super long liao. I don't mind the price, but can't possibly buy cable at such price without a demo.  :(

Actually, I find no point playing the cable game until the system is at least 52/supercap/250 and beyond. Then the cost of getting a better cable becomes highly worthwhile.

Naim, just like Apple, has all long have dieheart fans. Sometimes the behaviour of these dieheart fans there really switches me off.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: heuer on April 04, 2013, 17:31
Had some time to kill while waiting to pick up the father in law from his appointment and Vik was generous enough to let me listen to his setup with the Naims now powering the Magnepan 1.7s. I had heard the 1.7s a while back with Esoteric electronics and I wasn't particularly overwhelmed but the Naims commanded the 1.7s with such amazing authority, it was quite spectacular. The bass was tightly controlled and punchy!

The pre and power combo were about 3k each, but I wasn't sure what the exact model was.

I think maybe 152/155 or 202/200
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on April 04, 2013, 17:34
I think maybe 152/155 or 202/200

I forgot about something. Yeah, can be 152/155 too.  ;D
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Doggie Howser on April 04, 2013, 17:49
Looks like the 200 series to me.

Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: scoobydoo on April 04, 2013, 17:51
Yes upgraded. To me the highline and powerline is overhype and over price. Home trial them before and was very amaze how come some crap can command such a high price. I think our those diehard Naim in their forum will swear by them.

I think you are talking about me. :)

In my opinion, the hiline give the best pound-for-performance in a all naim setup (Coz I have only ever had the hiline on a all naim setup). I actually find it very reasonably priced if compared to other cables like nordost or what-have-you.

I, however, have quite mixed experience with the powerline when I was still having my previous cds2. Now I am quite happy with it on a all new black reference series setup.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: scoobydoo on April 04, 2013, 18:05
Yours is the rca, din, or xlr? I still waiting for a demo copy. I wait till neck super long liao. I don't mind the price, but can't possibly buy cable at such price without a demo.  :(

Who did you try to loan it from? it shouldnt be very hard to get hold of a loan unit.... afaik.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on April 04, 2013, 18:13
Who did you try to loan it from? it shouldnt be very hard to get hold of a loan unit.... afaik.

Who can I get a loan unit quickly one? I listen, if its okay, then its a close deal. Really simple and straight forward one. I waited for about 3-4 months liao, but I was busy with my ICT, so I just let the thing progress slowly.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: scoobydoo on April 04, 2013, 18:29
Who can I get a loan unit quickly one? I listen, if its okay, then its a close deal. Really simple and straight forward one. I waited for about 3-4 months liao, but I was busy with my ICT, so I just let the thing progress slowly.

Hi
I have sent you a PM.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: virtueblue on April 04, 2013, 18:30
Personally I'm using AR Lunar and I'm quite happy with the results. I'm driving it with my Focal speakers and supposedly this combi should sound bright even more so with AR if AR is on the bright side. But I think my sound is quite balanced.

@Instek_88, if you get hold of the hiline don't mind letting me try as well? We can do a shootout with AR if you are interested. Thanks!
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on April 04, 2013, 19:03
Hi
I have sent you a PM.

Received and replied. Thanks for the help!  :)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on April 04, 2013, 21:59
Personally I'm using AR Lunar and I'm quite happy with the results. I'm driving it with my Focal speakers and supposedly this combi should sound bright even more so with AR if AR is on the bright side. But I think my sound is quite balanced.

@Instek_88, if you get hold of the hiline don't mind letting me try as well? We can do a shootout with AR if you are interested. Thanks!

I am actually looking for the chord sarum tuned ARAY now.

I had both the hiline and AR Lunar, but had sold both of them. That's been more than a year back, so my memory about them had faded. I remembered that the lunar was bright as my system was very close to the being too bright. Reverting to the lavender tame down the brightness. Hiline on the other hand is very fragile and had to be handled with care.

I will be looking at the rca and xlr version of the sarums. We can do a shootout between the hiline and sarum if your system can take these cables.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: scoobydoo on April 04, 2013, 22:42
Instek,
What system are you using now?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: virtueblue on April 04, 2013, 22:43
Yes they can. I'm looking to upgrade to NAP300 soon.

Please update me. I'm very interested. Thanks!
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on April 04, 2013, 23:15
Instek,
What system are you using now?

Sold off all my naim stuff one year ago, quit being a Naimster after being one for donkey years, and turned into a newbie Linnie. Currently using a latest spec Linn klimax ds, klimax kontrol, klimax twin with Neat MF5.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on April 04, 2013, 23:18
Yes they can. I'm looking to upgrade to NAP300 soon.

Please update me. I'm very interested. Thanks!

This shootout will be fun!

What source are you using?

Btw, I just pm you ;)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: heuer on April 05, 2013, 00:06
Yours is the rca, din, or xlr? I still waiting for a demo copy. I wait till neck super long liao. I don't mind the price, but can't possibly buy cable at such price without a demo.  :(

Actually, I find no point playing the cable game until the system is at least 52/supercap/250 and beyond. Then the cost of getting a better cable becomes highly worthwhile.

Naim, just like Apple, has all long have dieheart fans. Sometimes the behaviour of these dieheart fans there really switches me off.

Had the Din, main lead and speaker cable. The Main lead and din make the most impact, everything seems to open up. I disagree that you have to reach 52/250 beyond to play with cable, i t-loan to a close friend using a 202/200 and there is significant improvement of course not as great as compared to 252/300 or 552/555 , improvement is there and it's up to you to gauge worth it or not. I recall him reluctantly using back his NACAs when i request my cable back.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: heuer on April 05, 2013, 00:09
I think you are talking about me. :)

In my opinion, the hiline give the best pound-for-performance in a all naim setup (Coz I have only ever had the hiline on a all naim setup). I actually find it very reasonably priced if compared to other cables like nordost or what-have-you.

I, however, have quite mixed experience with the powerline when I was still having my previous cds2. Now I am quite happy with it on a all new black reference series setup.

Well the comment it not directed at anyone as i am making comment based on what i find. To me hi-line don't make the cut at all and yes it is fragile and piece of crap for it's price.  I remember my connector broke a few time and i sold it off cheap to some forumer in Echo. If it work for you, good for you.............
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: virtueblue on April 05, 2013, 00:26
This shootout will be fun!

What source are you using?

Btw, I just pm you ;)

I've replied to your pm as well. I'm using cds2
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on April 05, 2013, 00:51
I understand where you are coming from and I agree with you in a certain way. Its a interesting discussion.

But my logic runs like this. A 3.5m pair of sarum cable cost about sgd7k. This is enough for a person to upgrade a 202/200 to a used 252/200. But can a sarum change a 202 to a 252? If a whole loom of sarum is used then it will cost at least sgd20k, this will be enough for a person to upgrade a 202/200 to a 552/250. Can a whole loom of sarum do that? I had not heard the sarum and i have no idea what the sarum can do.  Seriously, I have high hopes on the sarum, and that is the reason why I want to listen to them. I really hope the sarum can perform this kind of magic. ;D

Let say if a person has a 202/hicap/napsc/200 and wants to buy a hiline and a powerline. With that money plus a about 2k more, he can buy a 52/supercap. It really depends on what he wants, but for me I would rather buy the 52/supercap.

Heuer, thanks for sharing more on the Sarum. I must get my hands on them soon. Btw, where did you buy your sarums?

Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on April 05, 2013, 01:00
I've replied to your pm as well. I'm using cds2

You changed from 202 straight to 52/supercap right? Sound quality wise a mega huge upgrade right?  ;D
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: heuer on April 05, 2013, 11:25
I understand where you are coming from and I agree with you in a certain way. Its a interesting discussion.

But my logic runs like this. A 3.5m pair of sarum cable cost about sgd7k. This is enough for a person to upgrade a 202/200 to a used 252/200. But can a sarum change a 202 to a 252? If a whole loom of sarum is used then it will cost at least sgd20k, this will be enough for a person to upgrade a 202/200 to a 552/250. Can a whole loom of sarum do that? I had not heard the sarum and i have no idea what the sarum can do.  Seriously, I have high hopes on the sarum, and that is the reason why I want to listen to them. I really hope the sarum can perform this kind of magic. ;D

Let say if a person has a 202/hicap/napsc/200 and wants to buy a hiline and a powerline. With that money plus a about 2k more, he can buy a 52/supercap. It really depends on what he wants, but for me I would rather buy the 52/supercap.

Heuer, thanks for sharing more on the Sarum. I must get my hands on them soon. Btw, where did you buy your sarums?



Bought Sarum from a close friend in UK and he sell me dirt cheap at friendship price. Back to the Naim cable all i want to say is using stock Naim Cable is not doing the setup any justice and their cable simply can't cut for it's price nuff said. By all mean you can go for 52/Super cap this combi is at least >10 years old and likely to need recap. So whether it worth the time and effort is up to individual. For me now i am happy with KR and Larvadin and if there is someone selling 552/500/555 at good price i will consider buying it. To me this combi is really the ultimate Naim in it's stable.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on April 05, 2013, 12:34
Something to kill some time:

What is Tuned ARAY?
http://www.youtube.com/v/ejjD_bF5xhQ&fs=1

What does Tuned ARAY do?
http://www.youtube.com/v/ODiFC8PdaDc&fs=1
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on April 05, 2013, 12:36
More things to kill more time:

1. How speakers cables are made:

http://www.cinenow.es/videos/1604-the-chord-company-signature-speaker-cable-being-produced (http://www.cinenow.es/videos/1604-the-chord-company-signature-speaker-cable-being-produced)

2. How interconnects are made:

http://www.cinenow.es/videos/1603-the-chord-company-watch-their-high-end-indigo-interconnect-cable-being-produced (http://www.cinenow.es/videos/1603-the-chord-company-watch-their-high-end-indigo-interconnect-cable-being-produced)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on April 05, 2013, 13:41
Few years back I tried very hard to find a better speaker cable that can replace the NACA5 and yet provide the stability needed by Naim amps. Tried stuff ranging from Neotech, Oyaide. The last one I tried was the Chord Epic Twin speaker cable. All failed to give me the synergy that NACA5 was able to provide. I gave up on looking alternative speaker cables ever since and concluded it is not easy to replace the NACA5.

But for interconnects, I had better results. The AR Sound Greenlink was an awesome cable for the $. It eats the stock Naim IC as well as the Chord Cobra cables for breakfast, lunch, dinner and supper for not a lot of money. It had stayed in my system ever since.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on April 05, 2013, 14:20
The AR Sound Greenlink was an awesome cable for the $. It eats the stock Naim IC as well as the Chord Cobra cables for breakfast, lunch, dinner and supper

How fat is the AR Sound Greenlink cable?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on April 05, 2013, 14:22
How fat is the AR Sound Greenlink cable?
It's thin. Much thinner than Lunar.

(http://www.ar-sound.com/wpimages/wp40f53364_05_06.jpg)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on April 05, 2013, 14:31
I was expecting a really fat and thick cable.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: mingzhen on April 08, 2013, 08:28
I like the SuperUniti :)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: scoobydoo on April 12, 2013, 09:06
So far, has anyone compared a DR version of something vs the non-DR variant?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on April 12, 2013, 11:22
Nope. Had not compare it.

But here is AMA sharing on the Naim forum. Not sure if its helpful.

http://forums.naimaudio.com/displayForumTopic/content/22826037026335574/reply/lastReply (http://forums.naimaudio.com/displayForumTopic/content/22826037026335574/reply/lastReply)

His main system is Cymbiosis LP12/CH Wenge/Keel/Khan/Ekos SE/sKale/Lyra Atlas/Radikal/Urika on FE Master Ref wallshelf + KDS/1 thru Naim 552/500 on 3 x Fraim + Kharma Exquisite Midi, Sarum ARAY cables throughout.

What system are you using?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: scoobydoo on April 12, 2013, 22:21
I am a using a s3/555ps/282/super2/250/s400... Thinking of going for the 555ps-dr.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on April 12, 2013, 23:02
Mmm... There are many options for you and they all cost about the same... This upgrade will not be easy to decide...  ;D

Brother, just pm you.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: adamsandler on April 13, 2013, 11:53
I tried the DR hicap vs my non DR one. The difference is obvious in my system. I could hear deeper into the mix and the bass seems to tighten up. Overall a less warm presentation but Vik told me once the DR runs in, the sound will become fuller yet retaining the detail of the DR hicap.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: buddy on April 15, 2013, 10:28
Hi there.. I guess this has been asked to death before but I'll give it a shot here... does anyone have opinions on what speakers to use with your Supernaits? Am considering Harbeth C7/M30.1 and also Dynaudio bookshelves.

I have my setup in a medium sized bedroom i.e. around 4mx5m with wooden floors. Thanks.

Title: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on April 15, 2013, 11:22
If you're going for Harbeth, you're better off with the C7 or SHL-5. The M30.1 with its complex crossover may be more strenuous for the SuperNait and the M series is least favourable for rock music if you're a rock music fan.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: buddy on April 15, 2013, 15:52
Thanks for the heads up on the M30.1.. Would you suggest any other speakers that have good mids and bass extension and can rock well but won't go all boomy if I put the speakers 6-8 inches to the back wall?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on April 15, 2013, 16:21
Thanks for the heads up on the M30.1.. Would you suggest any other speakers that have good mids and bass extension and can rock well but won't go all boomy if I put the speakers 6-8 inches to the back wall?

Guruaudio and Coincident Triumph Extreme bookshelves. The Coincidents are easily driven, designed to be placed right against the wall and rock. Yet they are able to throw a convincingly wide stage and are resolving enough to tell small changes in upstream components.  BTW Modular Audio who sell the Coincidents are closed for renovation till 30 April. So if you want to audition, you have to call Oyster or Martin   
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on June 14, 2013, 11:20
Had the Din, main lead and speaker cable. The Main lead and din make the most impact, everything seems to open up. I disagree that you have to reach 52/250 beyond to play with cable, i t-loan to a close friend using a 202/200 and there is significant improvement of course not as great as compared to 252/300 or 552/555 , improvement is there and it's up to you to gauge worth it or not. I recall him reluctantly using back his NACAs when i request my cable back.

You are right brother! I finally got some Sarum Tuned Aray cables, the improvement these cables bring to the system is pretty amazing! :)

Chord currently does not have the Tuned Aray version of the speaker cables. I wonder if they will make one soon.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: pathetichindsight on July 01, 2013, 11:29
hi naim bros.. any suggestions for power cord for naim cd 5 xs? : ) i heard powerline demoed at absolute sound and sounded good to me.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: heuer on September 03, 2013, 14:42
Any people not using NACA5, Hi-line or whatever stock, please share what you use. Thanks.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: xerox on September 03, 2013, 16:27
Using Yter speaker cable and Connex silver Din to Din from Dac to pre. Power cord are some custom belden with mixture of Furutech rodium, gold and copper plugs.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: mingzhen on October 16, 2013, 07:09
Has anyone tried DAC V1 + NAP 200 or NAP 250.2?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: AndrewC on October 18, 2013, 08:08
Any people not using NACA5, Hi-line or whatever stock, please share what you use. Thanks.

Not quite what you asked for ;), but just FYI, the latest issue of HiFiCritic (http://www.hificritic.com) (a $zero ad revenue magazine, i.e. no commercial bias) has a full page coverage on the NACA5... Martin Collom concludes with...

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Moreover, after trying many others, I could not identify an alternative with quite the same emotional enjoyment factor: one capable of similarly explicit and exuberant communication of those foot tapping musical messages
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on October 18, 2013, 09:17
Not quite what you asked for ;), but just FYI, the latest issue of HiFiCritic (http://www.hificritic.com) (a $zero ad revenue magazine, i.e. no commercial bias) has a full page coverage on the NACA5... Martin Collom concludes with...
 
Totally agreed. Tried out cables such as Audience, Neotech, Chord and NACA5 still stays in my system.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: AndrewC on October 19, 2013, 07:23
Totally agreed. Tried out cables such as Audience, Neotech, Chord and NACA5 still stays in my system.

I'm not a Naim user myself… but it was interesting to read why it would be the case technically that Naim (among a select few others) insist on buyers using their cables…

Here's a snapshot;
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While commercial cables aim for a universal mix and match character, this Naim cable is required to exemplify the performance of Naim systems, in particular it's amplifiers, along side a certain optimal combination of inductance and capacitance, plus very low loop resistance.

And elsewhere in the same issue, Martin also re-reviews the NAP 300… here's what he mentions in that piece;

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Naim amplifiers routinely omit the conventional internal output inductor, a small air-core coil which was generally included to avoid amplifier oscillating and burning out if used with a cable or speaker with unusually high load capacitance, especially electrostatic models. Naim, and in particular it's founder and designer Julian Vereker, believed that this inductor detracted from sound quality, and made the logical decision to adopt a sensible length of speaker cable to act as the effective inductor, choosing a minimum of 3.5m as the preferred output interface
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on October 19, 2013, 07:55
It's called Zobel network. Most amps have them except Naim and Spectral. Both of them use the speaker cable inductance and capacitance properties to bring stability to the amp.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: heuer on October 19, 2013, 17:00
Not quite what you asked for ;), but just FYI, the latest issue of HiFiCritic (http://www.hificritic.com) (a $zero ad revenue magazine, i.e. no commercial bias) has a full page coverage on the NACA5... Martin Collom concludes with...
 

Nothing just curious whats the Naim folk is using only. Beside the newer Naim are more "open" to other cable. I have good result on my Naim with Chord serum.... awesome cable.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: AndrewC on October 20, 2013, 07:38
It's called Zobel network....

Yep, I know what it is… I used MIT Oracle speaker cables for a couple of years before I switched to Transparent Reference XLs (used in-wall) for one of my Amps...
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on October 20, 2013, 10:16

Yep, I know what it is… I used MIT Oracle speaker cables for a couple of years before I switched to Transparent Reference XLs (used in-wall) for one of my Amps...
Ahh... The ex husband and wife companies.

For Naim it is acceptable since NACA5 is cheap....but for Spectral.... MIT pricing is kinda crazy when Spectral are voiding warranty for using the wrong cables. If you force customers not to have a choice, you should offer solutions that are lower priced. Even the Spectral MIT cables doesn't come cheap. But I guess those who buy Spectral probably kinda factored these in when they buy Spectral.

Ok, back to Naim talk. ;)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: watchdog on October 20, 2013, 11:01
The specifications of Naim NAC A5 (obtained from Naim audio forums, not sure how accurate it is) are 16pF per meter, and 1 uH per meter. Recommended length is a minimum of 3.5m

It's a bit tricky to find suitable replacements since most cable manufacturers shoot for low inductance speaker cables, often at the expense of high-ish capacitance, e.g. Goertz which would be an absolute no-no for Naim amps. But I guess that widely spaced twin conductor type of cables (like the NAC A5) would be best as these would generally have low capacitance and high inductance characteristics.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on October 20, 2013, 11:27
Indeed, Cabletalk 4.1 comes to mind when it comes to those dumb bell looking cables.

Actually, as what others pointed out earlier, the newer Naims uses transistors with better drive and can work well with other non Naim cables more so that the olives and cb.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on October 20, 2013, 20:35
http://www.naimaudio.com/sites/default/files/products/downloads/files/nds_white-paper_issue5_1.pdf

Anyone here has the NDS? Would love to have a listen!
 I really like the leaving no stone unturned attention to details in this player especially the mechanical isolation though I am sure I don't like the price. ;P
The other thing I like is that it's still sticking to the R2R dac chip 1704k despite the invasion of the ESS in the dac market. ;)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on October 20, 2013, 21:05
I listened to it at Absolute Sound some time back, but I wonder if it is still available for demo there.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: xerox on October 21, 2013, 13:46
http://www.naimaudio.com/sites/default/files/products/downloads/files/nds_white-paper_issue5_1.pdf

Anyone here has the NDS? Would love to have a listen!
 I really like the leaving no stone unturned attention to details in this player especially the mechanical isolation though I am sure I don't like the price. ;P
The other thing I like is that it's still sticking to the R2R dac chip 1704k despite the invasion of the ESS in the dac market. ;)

Maybe i can go and borrow one for home trial? I do have the NDAC with the 1704k DAC not sure if you are keen to listen?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: AndrewC on October 22, 2013, 07:26
http://www.naimaudio.com/sites/default/files/products/downloads/files/nds_white-paper_issue5_1.pdf
...

I did a quick scan through, pretty fascinating white paper!... Some very unique technology in that NDS, especially around clocking and filters.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: sazalirazak on April 02, 2014, 00:28
Hello Guys


Joining the naim family soon...and want to seek your opinion on choosing between the 2 following combos .....


1. ndac sn2 hicap

Or

2. Ndac n202-napsc n250-hicap


Speakers are mission mx5 ..3 meter apart due to built in aV furniture living room size about 4meters x 3 meters - hdb maisonette living room..

Thanks ahead for your opinions...cheers

Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: virtueblue on April 02, 2014, 09:26
I've heard both the combinations too. Pre power is much better, in my opinion. I think if there's a budget constraint, get the 200 will do. It's good enough to drive your mission.

202-200 was my previous setup and tool date I still pretty much like that combination.

At the end of the day your ears are the best judgement. Go for the combination that caught your attention the most.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: mrtan on April 02, 2014, 14:08
Hello Guys


Joining the naim family soon...and want to seek your opinion on choosing between the 2 following combos .....


1. ndac sn2 hicap

Or

2. Ndac n202-napsc n250-hicap


Speakers are mission mx5 ..3 meter apart due to built in aV furniture living room size about 4meters x 3 meters - hdb maisonette living room..

Thanks ahead for your opinions...cheers



Ballpark figure:

option 1: 12k, 3 boxes
option 2: 16K, 5 boxes

Logical thinking option 2 should sound better.

I would allocate 5k each on source, amp and speaker than using all the budget on dac + amp only.


Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on April 02, 2014, 18:28
The more boxes you have, the:

(1) more headache you get,
(2) the more problem you get from WAF,
(3) the more skill and money you need to get the sound optimized,
(4) the more racks you need,
(5) the greater urge to upgrade

Try listening both combo to the genre that you normally listen to and then listen to both of them over a wide range of genre. If you listening at show room, remember that they are on fraim and etc.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kevtomin on April 02, 2014, 21:10
Just joined the Naim club with Nait XS2 along with Dynaudio Focus 160. Absolutely enjoying the combination :)
Currently streaming through Oppo-95. Any possible improvements in going for ND5-XS 
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on April 02, 2014, 21:50
It's better not to touch anything if you love everything about your system.  ;)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: sazalirazak on April 02, 2014, 23:51
Wow thanks vm for the feedback guys! Much appreciated...point well taken indeed..


will be doing a final listen soon for both sn2 and pre-power combos..including/excluding power supplies etc..

Had listened to the sn2 and 202-200 and preferred the sn2 for its boogie factor!
 The 250 was out on home loan demo till Friday so no chance to try yet..
The Abs sound guys told me that the 202-250 will sound like a pimped up version of the sn2..cant wait hahaha
Worth to note that the 200 was virgin fresh out of the box..so possible need more running in before showing its true potential..

Especially since I have a big living room and young kids ...will certainly need the power to listen at low volume level with good sonic detail..

Btw what speakers are you guys using?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: crossmember on April 03, 2014, 09:01
I have news that the proprietor of "For the Record" at Peninsula who is running a groovylicious olive Naim active setup is in the middle of upgrading to monoblock 135s and may have a 250 or two to let go...
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on April 03, 2014, 09:23
Those are very old 250s and 135s in need of a re-cap. But he says he is sending to the factory for refurbishment before deciding what comes next.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: engjoo on April 03, 2014, 09:39
Hello Guys


Joining the naim family soon...and want to seek your opinion on choosing between the 2 following combos .....


1. ndac sn2 hicap

Or

2. Ndac n202-napsc n250-hicap


Speakers are mission mx5 ..3 meter apart due to built in aV furniture living room size about 4meters x 3 meters - hdb maisonette living room..

Thanks ahead for your opinions...cheers



Welcome! I am a happy owner of SN2. No space for so many boxes!
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: pathetichindsight on April 03, 2014, 10:58
i have also been interested in the SN2 and wonder if it can drive my dynaudio C1.. can i ask the bros here which speakers they matching their SN or SN2 with? in the meantime, i am waiting for teddycap to arrive for my cd5xs
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on April 03, 2014, 12:20
Welcome! I am a happy owner of SN2. No space for so many boxes!

You still using the NDX?

I have an extra Audioquest Vodka and Sanwa Cat7 ethernet cable that you may want to play with.  ;)

Audioquest Vodka has a slight "V" EQ effect. Slight boost in high and low frequency, and the mid is slightly recessed. The slight boost in high and low frequency can be "fun" to listening to, but can get tiring if the system is on the bright side. This characteristic MAY match well with a Naim streamer.

Sanwa is more neutral when compared to Audioquest Vodka. The mid seems to be push out slightly. The characteristic of Sanwa MAY match well with a Linn streamer.

Technically, Audioquest Vodka should be a better cable, but it depends on system matching. I prefer the Sanwa cable to the Audioquest Vodka cable.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: engjoo on April 03, 2014, 13:56
You still using the NDX?

I have an extra Audioquest Vodka and Sanwa Cat7 ethernet cable that you may want to play with.  ;)

Audioquest Vodka has a slight "V" EQ effect. Slight boost in high and low frequency, and the mid is slightly recessed. The slight boost in high and low frequency can be "fun" to listening to, but can get tiring if the system is on the bright side. This characteristic MAY match well with a Naim streamer.

Sanwa is more neutral when compared to Audioquest Vodka. The mid seems to be push out slightly. The characteristic of Sanwa MAY match well with a Linn streamer.

Technically, Audioquest Vodka should be a better cable, but it depends on system matching. I prefer the Sanwa cable to the Audioquest Vodka cable.

Yes. NDX>SN2->P3ESR What ethernet cables are you on now?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on April 03, 2014, 14:13
Yes. NDX>SN2->P3ESR What ethernet cables are you on now?
Nice combination bro. Shld be very musical and enjoyable.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on April 03, 2014, 14:14
i have also been interested in the SN2 and wonder if it can drive my dynaudio C1.. can i ask the bros here which speakers they matching their SN or SN2 with? in the meantime, i am waiting for teddycap to arrive for my cd5xs
C1 deserves something better than SN2. I would say minimum a 202/200 IMHO.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on April 03, 2014, 14:39
I am currently using the AIM Shieldio NA3 ethernet cable. I had just use it for 2 days so far. The result is very positive and its my favorite so far, but I will leave it in the system for another month before deciding. Its a cable that sound more like the Sanwa except its even more neutral and its a more sophisticated cable in term of SQ.

I had also tried the Audioquest Diamond ethernet cable in my system recently.

What ethernet cables are you using now?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: sazalirazak on April 03, 2014, 14:44
Yes. NDX>SN2->P3ESR What ethernet cables are you on now?

What do you use as a source for the NDX? How does it compare to the NDAC?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: engjoo on April 03, 2014, 14:51
What do you use as a source for the NDX? How does it compare to the NDAC?

Streaming from my NAS (Synology DS712+) most of the time and also connected to a Marantz CDP (acting as a transport) via Coax. Never tried NDAC so I cannot comment.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on April 03, 2014, 14:53
What do you use as a source for the NDX? How does it compare to the NDAC?

The source for NDX can be from a computer or from a NAS. Just need a upnp server in the computer or in the NAS. Optimizing computer network for streaming can be a big headache and I had tried numerous network arrangements. And sometimes the result can be really surprising.

But on the other hand optimizing dac setup is also a big headache. Linear PS for computer, components of computer, USB isolator, USB cable, computer software and etc.

Using streamer to a dac is even a bigger headache, as optimization is even more complicated than the two cases mentioned above.

In comparison, using CD players and turntable is much simpler. However, storage of hundred or thousands of CD or vinyl can be a big headache too.

Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on April 03, 2014, 15:03
IMHO, it's all about achieving a balanced system with not a single component stick out like a sore thumb be it being a weak link or being too strong link. Either way, it will result in a upgrading spree to bring system to the next level.
And going by Naim philosophies, if the system were to be lopsided, it's best to spend more on the front end. So, you should think about your final system combination including the speakers before deciding which combination to go for.

Wow thanks vm for the feedback guys! Much appreciated...point well taken indeed..


will be doing a final listen soon for both sn2 and pre-power combos..including/excluding power supplies etc..

Had listened to the sn2 and 202-200 and preferred the sn2 for its boogie factor!
 The 250 was out on home loan demo till Friday so no chance to try yet..
The Abs sound guys told me that the 202-250 will sound like a pimped up version of the sn2..cant wait hahaha
Worth to note that the 200 was virgin fresh out of the box..so possible need more running in before showing its true potential..

Especially since I have a big living room and young kids ...will certainly need the power to listen at low volume level with good sonic detail..

Btw what speakers are you guys using?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: engjoo on April 03, 2014, 15:04

What ethernet cables are you using now?

I am using a Cat6 which I got the shop in sim lim to terminate to my required length. I cannot remember the brand. Could be Belden. Certainly not some sexy, exotic looking audiophile stuffs. :-)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on April 03, 2014, 15:11
Streaming from my NAS (Synology DS712+) most of the time and also connected to a Marantz CDP (acting as a transport) via Coax. Never tried NDAC so I cannot comment.

I am also using the Synology DS712+ currently and its a really good 2 bay NAS. Except the biggest problem is the power connector (which is a 4pin DC plug, Kycon  KPPX-4P). From now on I will most likely go towards Qnap which uses the more common 5.5/2.5 mm dc plug.

Asus is another brand that I will avoid as it uses 19V and weird sized dc plugs. Also avoid wireless component that cannot change RX transmission power or have internal antennae.

Its better to buy components that uses the common 12V and 5.5/2.5mm dc plug.

Linear power supplies to the network components (router, switches, NAS and etc) makes a big difference in the SQ to the streamers. It's not snake oil and the improvements can be easily heard. Even the power cords to the Linear PS can make a big change to the SQ to the streamers.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: engjoo on April 03, 2014, 15:31
I am also using the Synology DS712+ currently and its a really good 2 bay NAS. Except the biggest problem is the power connector (which is a 4pin DC plug, Kycon  KPPX-4P). From now on I will most likely go towards Qnap which uses the more common 5.5/2.5 mm dc plug.

Asus is another brand that I will avoid as it uses 19V and weird sized dc plugs. Also avoid wireless component that cannot change RX transmission power or have internal antennae.

Its better to buy components that uses the common 12V and 5.5/2.5mm dc plug.

Linear power supplies to the network components (router, switches, NAS and etc) makes a big difference in the SQ to the streamers. It's not snake oil and the improvements can be easily heard. Even the power cords to the Linear PS can make a big change to the SQ to the streamers.

I prefer Synology due to its easy to use diskstation software. The solution to the power connector problem is to get a bigger NAS (eg DS1513+) which uses an AC plug. They you can use Naim powerline with it ! :-)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on April 03, 2014, 15:31
I am using a Cat6 which I got the shop in sim lim to terminate to my required length. I cannot remember the brand. Could be Belden. Certainly not some sexy, exotic looking audiophile stuffs. :-)

Bro, I used to think ethernet cables are extra virgin snake oil. Until I switch off my "technical mind" and tried many ethernet cables. Result? They all sound different. Sanwa cat7 cable is really cheap and good. I got a few of the Sanwa cables (about SGD$10-20) at Yodobashi when I was in Japan. This is the one:

(http://i656.photobucket.com/albums/uu289/hiviuser01/Linn%20Klimax%20DS/Sanwa%20CAT7/SanwaCAT7-01.jpg)

Linear power supplies on the network components make a big difference too. And different linear power supplies will sound different.



Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on April 03, 2014, 15:34
I perfer Synology due to its easy to use diskstation software. The solution to the power connector problem is to get a bigger NAS (eg DS1513+) which uses a AC plug. They you can use Naim powerline with it ! :-)

There will be a problem as well. The power supply inside is a cheap SMPS. Try a linear power supply, and the noise floor will drop quite a bit. There will be more details, less edge to the sound, better micro and macro dynamics, and less smearing.

The best is to use a high quality linear PS and then use a high quality power cord.

But some linear PS can sound pretty coloured, so in this case I do prefer using the stock SMPS.

Another experiment that one can do is to use a thumb drive on a NDS and compare it with using a normal network.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: sazalirazak on April 03, 2014, 17:36
IMHO, it's all about achieving a balanced system with not a single component stick out like a sore thumb be it being a weak link or being too strong link. Either way, it will result in a upgrading spree to bring system to the next level.
And going by Naim philosophies, if the system were to be lopsided, it's best to spend more on the front end. So, you should think about your final system combination including the speakers before deciding which combination to go for.

Yes bro completely agree, wana spend once on a decent "Boogie Happy" balanced system and be happy for next 5 yrs at least without further upgrades...



Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: sudo on April 04, 2014, 15:47
Hi new here..... anyone pair their Naim with Penaudio speaker? So far i audit Naim with Spendor, Neat and Proarc.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: drzero on April 05, 2014, 20:58
Just joined the Naim club with Nait XS2 along with Dynaudio Focus 160. Absolutely enjoying the combination :)
Currently streaming through Oppo-95. Any possible improvements in going for ND5-XS

the nd5xs will definitely give an edge over the oppo, plus you can add an XPS power supply later on and it will be even better

plus the included DIN interconnect itself is an advantage going into your nait xs2

do you have the latest 70w xs2?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kevtomin on April 05, 2014, 21:42
do you have the latest 70w xs2?

Thanks for the advice. Yes I've the latest XS2.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on April 06, 2014, 08:57

Hi new here..... anyone pair their Naim with Penaudio speaker? So far i audit Naim with Spendor, Neat and Proarc.

Bro xerox here is using Penaudio I believe.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: sudo on April 06, 2014, 10:44
Bro xerox here is using Penaudio I believe.

Thanks, how do you find the pairing between Naim and Penaudio? I just came back from overseas posting and looking to get the 202/200 or XS and is thinking about what speaker to get.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on April 06, 2014, 10:46

Thanks, how do you find the pairing between Naim and Penaudio? I just came back from overseas posting and looking to get the 202/200 or XS and is thinking about what speaker to get.

No idea cos I hv not heard it.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: jyew on April 21, 2014, 12:35
Hi everyone,

I thought that I would post here first before approaching the Naim forums.

I have recently acquired a Superuniti and am loving the experience especially from my digital sources. However, I also play quite a bit of vinyl and have hooked up my Naim Stageline line to the Superuniti. I have the Stageline powered by a Teddycap plus.

The problem I have is with the sound quality of my vinyl source - it really sounds terrible - overall impression is like the source is muted across the frequency range and especially muddled in the mids. Playing the same tune on even a crappy MP3 file makes it sound like night and day.

I am trying to figure out the source of the problem and here are some of my guesses:

- Could it be the Teddycap that is causing this muted sound? (I bought mine off ebay and I have yet to ascertain whether the parts in the Teddycap have been changed). Should I consider getting a Naim HiCap?

- I am also using third party interconnects ... most notably, I am connecting the stageline>Teddycap>superuniti via the teddycap supplied SNIAC (between the stageline and the teddycap) and a Chord Cobra 4pin - RCA interconnect (between the teddycap and the superuniti). Should I just source for an "authentic" 4 - 5pin Naim cable to replace my Chord Cobra cable?

Any advice would be much appreciated. I had this same Stageline on a Nait5/Flatcap2 system and it was singing ... I would love to replicate my previous experience on vinyl with the superuniti.

Summary of my current setup now:
Source:
- Mac Mini (connected via optical cable)
- Technics SL1210 (modified)

Amplifier:
- Superuniti

Phono amp:
- Stageline + Teddycap plus

Speakers:
- Neat Motive 2
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on April 21, 2014, 13:02
Chord cobra should be fine, If you still have the nait5/flatcap2 try it out again.

My hunch is that the SuperUniti is a bandwidth limiter.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on April 21, 2014, 15:51
If you suspect the problem lies with the second hand Teddycap, the easiest way to test is to change the power supply to another one. Maybe you can borrow a power supply from someone.

If the situation improves a lot, then the Teddycap that you purchased second hand may have a problem.

If the situation remains the same, then the problem may lies somewhere else.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on April 21, 2014, 17:54
Could you be feeding a MC cartidge into a Stageline meant for MM cartridges and therefore the gain too low?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on April 21, 2014, 18:05
On second thoughts, your description on being worse than mp3 may not be SuperUniti issue. Perhaps your cartridge got damaged or worn out? It's also unlikely a TeddyCap can be that bad.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: jyew on April 21, 2014, 18:08
Thanks for the replies everyone!

@blue_starfish - I've been using this Stageline for about 2 years already and always with the same cartridge. It has not given me problems before.

An option that I have been considering may be to go with a non-naim phono stage ... but I'll only consider that after I've exhausted my options via the Naim route.

@Instek_88 - yes, I wish I had that option but I don't know anyone who has a hicap to loan. Also, I've bought everything used and I feel bad going to Absolute for help.

@naimster - Thanks for the updated response. And yes, I did not consider my cartridge getting damaged or worn out. I do have spare cartridges and will try out a different cartridge tonight.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on April 21, 2014, 18:20
What cartridge and how many hours of use do you have on it?
 
Check the cantilever visually for sagging or skewed to one side to indicate suspension wear. If your cart has 2,000 play hours on it, means this is most likely the cause
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: malsound on April 21, 2014, 18:40
Have you try playing a track with a DVD/cdp in that input to be sure whether is a other problem or a analog one.

Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: jyew on April 22, 2014, 00:55
@blue_starfish - I am using an Audio Technica AT440MLA. The cartridge was bought in April 2013, and probably only has a few hundred hours of play on it so far. So I don't think that there's anything wrong with the cartridge.

However, I did take the earlier advice of swapping out the cartridge - and I also took the opportunity to clean everything up - and the sound cleaned up a little. However, it's still quite different from the digital sources.

@malsound - Unfortunately, I don't have any other pieces of hifi equipment to test the inputs. The complication with the Superuniti is that it offers both RCA and Din inputs. And I worry that the Din input would sound much better than the RCA input. Has anyone tested this out?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: BTW on April 22, 2014, 07:43
Have you tried asking the agent Absolute Sound or asking Naim direct ... I'm guessing there's a mismatch or incorrect setting somewhere..


@malsound - Unfortunately, I don't have any other pieces of hifi equipment to test the inputs. The complication with the Superuniti is that it offers both RCA and Din inputs. And I worry that the Din input would sound much better than the RCA input. Has anyone tested this out?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on April 22, 2014, 10:00
However, I did take the earlier advice of swapping out the cartridge - and I also took the opportunity to clean everything up - and the sound cleaned up a little. However, it's still quite different from the digital sources.

Sorry to ask a rudimentary question. I am assuming that you are still on the stock arm with removable headshell. Did you use an alignment gauge or protractor to precisely set the cartridge in the headshell so that the stylus is exactly where it should be relative to the arm's pivot point?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on April 22, 2014, 10:05
hi dealer is your friend. they are here to help you. I believe absolute sound will give you a helping hand.

try talking to them

or get a Rega phono, or from MMF,  project etc. isolate your problem from stageline and teddycap

Another way is to bring your complete SL1200 and Stageline to Absolute Sound, and plug into their store demo Uniti. If it still sounds bad, then the problem is either the phono or cartridge. 
Title: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on April 22, 2014, 11:09
Another possibility is that the Cobra RCA-DIN should be directional. It was meant to connect from a non Naim source to a Naim preamp and it seemed that you're connecting it the other way round. Correct me if I am wrong,
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: malsound on April 22, 2014, 12:37
Try to get a phone jack to RCA cable available at most diy and 2 dollars shop. They are real cheap and you smart phone should have enough voltage to play a tune.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: jyew on April 23, 2014, 06:59
Thanks for the feedback everyone ... let me try to respond to each of you:

@malsound - yes, I did try that and nothing is wrong with the RCA inputs on the Superuniti.

@naimster - you know, I have suspected that might have been the case. But the problem is, replacement 4 - 5pin DINs or 4pin - RCA cables aren't exactly easy to find ...

@jacklim @blue_starfish @BTW - I have not approached Absolute yet. The main reason is that I all the pieces that I own were bought used. And they have stated that they support their customers first ... anyone have any experience with them - even if you have not bought their stuff?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on April 23, 2014, 10:22
@jacklim @blue_starfish @BTW - I have not approached Absolute yet. The main reason is that I all the pieces that I own were bought used. And they have stated that they support their customers first ... anyone have any experience with them - even if you have not bought their stuff?

Is your gear still under warranty or sourced originally from Absolute Sound? Most local high-end dealers support their brands post sales and dispense advice used products. Provided is a local set bought from authorised dealer.

If PI set or bought from overseas, then within their rights to refer you to deal direct with factory. Or charge an exhorbitant service fee to take up your repair. Smart dealers will want to protect their and their brand's reputation so that used items remain popular in the resale market. When a brand does badly in resale market, dealer will not be able to sell his new models.       
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: malsound on May 03, 2014, 17:10
Found a old documentary video about naim factory, thought you guys might be interested.

http://www.youtube.com/v/xPfdERaAdNc&fs=1
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: malsound on May 03, 2014, 17:18
http://www.youtube.com/v/ptIymJNUvAs&fs=1
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: cstanxpl on May 07, 2014, 08:58
Naxicap Partners and Aquasourca acquire majority stake in Naim and Focal

http://www.whathifi.com/news/naxicap-partners-and-aquasourca-acquire-majority-stake-in-naim-and-focal
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on May 07, 2014, 09:12
Only time will tell if the company direction changes. But the launch of such products does drop some hints on where they may possibly go into.....

http://m.naimaudio.com/news/article/introducing-muso-by-naim
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: sazalirazak on May 07, 2014, 11:42
Only time will tell if the company direction changes. But the launch of such products does drop some hints on where they may possibly go into.....

http://m.naimaudio.com/news/article/introducing-muso-by-naim

i just placed order for Naim muso to replace my bedroom old philips soundbar...but arriving only in Sept

thought of buying another smaller TP set , but MHA no approve hahahahah
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: MU on May 07, 2014, 12:05
I thought I may have the answers to your problem.

Your Superuniti DIN phono input has the power to power the Stageline directly without the Teddycap. So connect the Stageline directly to the DIN Phono input.

If you use the Teddycap to power the Stageline, then connect them to the normal RCA analogue input of the Superuniti and not the DIN Phono input.

Good luck! I think it should work.

Hi everyone,

I thought that I would post here first before approaching the Naim forums.

I have recently acquired a Superuniti and am loving the experience especially from my digital sources. However, I also play quite a bit of vinyl and have hooked up my Naim Stageline line to the Superuniti. I have the Stageline powered by a Teddycap plus.

The problem I have is with the sound quality of my vinyl source - it really sounds terrible - overall impression is like the source is muted across the frequency range and especially muddled in the mids. Playing the same tune on even a crappy MP3 file makes it sound like night and day.

I am trying to figure out the source of the problem and here are some of my guesses:

- Could it be the Teddycap that is causing this muted sound? (I bought mine off ebay and I have yet to ascertain whether the parts in the Teddycap have been changed). Should I consider getting a Naim HiCap?

- I am also using third party interconnects ... most notably, I am connecting the stageline>Teddycap>superuniti via the teddycap supplied SNIAC (between the stageline and the teddycap) and a Chord Cobra 4pin - RCA interconnect (between the teddycap and the superuniti). Should I just source for an "authentic" 4 - 5pin Naim cable to replace my Chord Cobra cable?

Any advice would be much appreciated. I had this same Stageline on a Nait5/Flatcap2 system and it was singing ... I would love to replicate my previous experience on vinyl with the superuniti.

Summary of my current setup now:
Source:
- Mac Mini (connected via optical cable)
- Technics SL1210 (modified)

Amplifier:
- Superuniti

Phono amp:
- Stageline + Teddycap plus

Speakers:
- Neat Motive 2

Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: AndrewC on June 03, 2014, 07:17
Naim pulling an Apple like Ad ;D

http://www.youtube.com/v/XHPCEoE-4fI&fs=1
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: x1 on June 05, 2014, 01:11
Need some advice from the bros here.

My setup is
naim xs2
Speakers: harbeth 30.1
Sources: oppo103, Mac mini

I'm trying to decide what to move forward to. I am tossed between buying the dac v1 and a stage line for a turntable.

Dac: is the only way forward a naim branded dac or would suggest an alternative brand?

Phono: same question as the dac? Naim or non naim?

Been debating myself to death about it.

Any advice would be great.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kevtomin on June 05, 2014, 08:11
I am using Marantz Na11s1 with Naim XS2. I liked this combination better than Naim DAC.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on June 05, 2014, 09:15

Need some advice from the bros here.

My setup is
naim xs2
Speakers: harbeth 30.1
Sources: oppo103, Mac mini

I'm trying to decide what to move forward to. I am tossed between buying the dac v1 and a stage line for a turntable.

Dac: is the only way forward a naim branded dac or would suggest an alternative brand?

Phono: same question as the dac? Naim or non naim?

Been debating myself to death about it.

Any advice would be great.

If I were to choose between a naim dac and phono I would go for dac. There's nothing really special about the stageline and many other offerings out there such as a dyna p75 or project rs can give you good results.

As for naim dac, personally I would go for the ones with the 1704k chipset. The  non 1704 naim dacs probably lose some of  it's signature sound.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: x1 on June 05, 2014, 10:00
My assumption has always been that naim goes best with naim gear. Am I wrong?

Thanks for the responses
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: black hawk on June 05, 2014, 20:07
Need some advice from the bros here.

My setup is
naim xs2
Speakers: harbeth 30.1
Sources: oppo103, Mac mini

I'm trying to decide what to move forward to. I am tossed between buying the dac v1 and a stage line for a turntable.

Dac: is the only way forward a naim branded dac or would suggest an alternative brand?

Phono: same question as the dac? Naim or non naim?

Been debating myself to death about it.

Any advice would be great.

Bro. How much is the xs2? I own one per and tot of pairing it with the xs2. Thanks.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: xerox on June 07, 2014, 17:13
If I were to choose between a naim dac and phono I would go for dac. There's nothing really special about the stageline and many other offerings out there such as a dyna p75 or project rs can give you good results.

As for naim dac, personally I would go for the ones with the 1704k chipset. The  non 1704 naim dacs probably lose some of  it's signature sound.

+1
Cannot comment on the stageline as not into vinyl but i would save up more for the NDAC with dual 1704k than going for Dac V1. Different league totally A/B this 2 before and all i can say Dac V1 simply bite the dust.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: sazalirazak on June 07, 2014, 19:21
Athough i dont own any naim at least until muso is out haha..did extensive listening betwen ndac n dacv1..the former definitely much better


Good thing abot Naim is you get more performance as you pay more and its easily differentiable even for the novice..
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: malsound on October 21, 2014, 19:52
http://www.youtube.com/v/p9AykIOyEHk&fs=1
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: ke1923 on December 10, 2014, 15:20
Hi, does anyone know how much Supernait 2 is retailing at?

Thanks
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: nautilus on December 10, 2014, 23:53
Hi, does anyone know how much Supernait 2 is retailing at?

Thanks

Check with absolute sound. They should be able to give you a quote.
Title: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: mousike on December 11, 2014, 17:21
The appropriate place for this classic...

Thanks Naimster...nice upgrades!

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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: nautilus on December 11, 2014, 22:05
The appropriate place for this classic...

Thanks Naimster...nice upgrades!

(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/11/451d865299e811d45cddfb33454f039d.jpg)


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Nice shot! Olives are probably the most underrated kit in the market today.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: mousike on December 11, 2014, 23:52
Thanks...this one here is probably HIGHLY modded version and for its unpretentious build I am quite impressed with its drive and control on the ATCs. I actually prefers the older designs and build quality...its real retro.  :)

Nice shot! Olives are probably the most underrated kit in the market today.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on December 12, 2014, 14:53
Very nice 3d effect of my olives. I should go post in Naim facebook :).
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: mousike on December 12, 2014, 14:59
Feel free to...  :)

Very nice 3d effect of my olives. I should go post in Naim facebook :).
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: mrtan on December 14, 2014, 23:36
Anyone tried the new AR Lunar Equilateral?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on December 17, 2014, 22:07
Guys naim noob here but do you guys use power conditioners with naim? Thinking of using a rgpc


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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: nautilus on December 18, 2014, 01:31
Guys naim noob here but do you guys use power conditioners with naim? Thinking of using a rgpc


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Naim and power conditioners don't work well together - it seems to rob life from the music. Getting a dedicated spur is a better investment for lesser money.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on December 18, 2014, 01:37
Ic thanks. What is a spur?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on December 18, 2014, 01:48
Then do you connect direct to wall.  My case here is the area I am staying is prone to lightning strikes so I am worried about equipment damage too
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: virtueblue on December 18, 2014, 10:06
I'm enjoying my naim with power conditioner and its much much better with the conditioner. I think there's no hard and fast rule and you need to try out different products and combinations and decide for yourself.

What I may like may be trash to you. And I certainly don't believe what goes well with what until one has tried a lot of different products.

Naim said that naca5 speaker cable gave the best performance for naim amp but I used other speaker cable to give me a better sound that I like.

Hence my advice will be try to borrow the conditioner and try it in your system. If you like it get it. If not still keep an open mind and try other conditioners.

Cheers and good luck!
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: nautilus on December 19, 2014, 00:26
Then do you connect direct to wall.  My case here is the area I am staying is prone to lightning strikes so I am worried about equipment damage too

A dedicated spur is a dedicated power line straight from the MCB that is not shared with any other sockets in the house. Usually makes a huge difference with Naim equipment and especially true if you move higher up the ladder.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on December 19, 2014, 13:04
A dedicated spur is a dedicated power line straight from the MCB that is not shared with any other sockets in the house. Usually makes a huge difference with Naim equipment and especially true if you move higher up the ladder.

Ic thanks nautilus. BTW see that you have the 250.2. how does it sound? Warm?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: nautilus on December 19, 2014, 22:56
Ic thanks nautilus. BTW see that you have the 250.2. how does it sound? Warm?

Hmm.... I didn't really update my signature. I've the nds/555/252/300 now. The 250.2 was a tad warm and really needs a 282 or 252 to tame it.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on December 20, 2014, 00:01
Ic was thinking of pairing it with a dac v1
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: nautilus on December 20, 2014, 05:44
Ic was thinking of pairing it with a dac v1

It'll be quite a mismatch unless you have a preamp to pair it.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: pathetichindsight on January 28, 2015, 10:46
hi guys there is an esoteric UX-3 player on sale. would it be an upgrade on my cd5xs with teddycap? thanks for input. 
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: TEINsports on April 11, 2015, 22:10
Anyone paired the 5si/XS2 with LS50?

Contemplating between PM8005, MF M3si, Kandy K2BT & Naim to integrate into my HT (Marantz SR7009) setup. Managed to audition PM8005, MF M3si, NAD C375BEE & Naim 5si (direct streaming from my hp Tidal lossless via RCA to phone jack and using ELAC bookshelves) 2 days ago and below were my impressions:

PM8005 - similar signature to my AVR. Generally, it sounds more lively, dynamic & forward-sounding as compared to the M3si & NAD. 
MF M3si - too laid back to my liking
NAD - In-between the PM8005 & MF M3si

Naim 5si - couldn't make a fair comparison with the formers as showroom doesn't have the RCA to phone cable but listened 2 tracks from Ed Sheeran anyway via one of the network player & Aria 906 I think. General impression was that the dynamics is very good, clear & detailed but not enough to sway me as I couldn't test my personal tracks. Aaron from AS opined that the 5si/XS2 is a good match for LS50.

Primary playback source - Tidal (via BT), Spotify from SR7009, CD. May add an audioengine B1 for direct streaming of Tidal to amp via BT aptx.

Appreciate any opinions. Thanks.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: mingzhen on April 12, 2015, 11:11
I havent tried Naim + LS50, but I know that Marantz + LS50 is a good match, even KEF also recommend Marantz + LS50 combo. Another amp to consider is the new Kandy K3 with APTx BT
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: TEINsports on April 12, 2015, 12:05
I havent tried Naim + LS50, but I know that Marantz + LS50 is a good match, even KEF also recommend Marantz + LS50 combo. Another amp to consider is the new Kandy K3 with APTx BT

Thanks, I have read about the Marantz/LS50 combo but the forward sounding characteristic maybe abit fatiguing over long periods of listening. However, I doubt I have the luxury of long periods of listening anyway...lol. I have yet to demo the Kandy series.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: mingzhen on April 12, 2015, 12:39
Marantz + ELAC is also a good combo
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: mingzhen on April 12, 2015, 12:46
Has anyone tried the new NAC-N 272?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: DIYer Straits on April 12, 2015, 14:03
No, I don't own Naim but I just want to share this shot,taken recently in Singapore.

A Statement has landed.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10929985_867404646639429_1583926596785538510_n.jpg?oh=2b103a14f5f20669f603b8f49f96b974&oe=55E036E0&__gda__=1436588888_7fe54098ffeaa70306cbd7f3660d08c9)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on June 05, 2015, 15:32
Anyone using the new NAC 272? Can share your experience?

(http://images.cdn.whathifi.com/sites/whathifi.com/files/styles/big-image/public/brands/Naim/nac-n272interiorweb.jpg?itok=keFdjDDj)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: flowerpot99 on June 23, 2015, 10:59
Does anyone know if I can disable the subwoofer out when using naim uniti in unity gain mode or if there alternatives? I have set my speakers to small + sub on my naim uniti so that the sub can play with my speakers during music. However in movie mode, when I switch naim uniti to unity gain mode which its suppose to work as pure amp, it will still split the signal to the sub. This will result in double bass as my avr is also channeling the bass through LFE in.

My connection are as below.

Naim uniti sub out -> subwoofer line in
Avr LFE -> subwoofer LFE in
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: mousike on June 25, 2015, 22:46
No, I don't own Naim but I just want to share this shot,taken recently in Singapore.

A Statement has landed.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10929985_867404646639429_1583926596785538510_n.jpg?oh=2b103a14f5f20669f603b8f49f96b974&oe=55E036E0&__gda__=1436588888_7fe54098ffeaa70306cbd7f3660d08c9)

Landed and sold??  :o :o :-X
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: flowerpot99 on June 26, 2015, 22:35
Thanks, I have read about the Marantz/LS50 combo but the forward sounding characteristic maybe abit fatiguing over long periods of listening. However, I doubt I have the luxury of long periods of listening anyway...lol. I have yet to demo the Kandy series.

Not sure if it's relevant. But I happen to have the R100 and had the used it with naim 5i, naim uniti, roksan capsian and the marantz sa15s2. The sound play via the marantz CD player sounded more full bodied and engaging and definitely much less fatiguing when compared to naim uniti. When paring the marantz with roksan, the sound is more airy and wide while pairing it with naim give better clarity esp in strings and bass.

I would say marantz with ls50 should give better enjoyment. But probably need a higher lv marantz for more power or just pair a marantz with other amp for the sound you like.

Btw roksan is not easy to pair with ht as it does not have a dedicated button to go to the input directly. You will have to toggle between the inputs. Not an issue if you used separate remote but a problem if you want to use harmony remote. Marantz is easy to integrate but the higher end model needs to be off using the physical button for the higher end models. While naim is easy to integrate, the off button is at the back of the box. As such for both marantz and naim, you may have to keep them on all the time.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Davemusic on August 20, 2015, 23:04
For Naim CDS2 owners, I have just tried CD Clamp 5 instead of clamp 3 with rubber felt. It works well and perfectly and no more problem with rotating rubber felt ring to avoid skip disc.
Clamp 5 is much cheaper than 3.
Anyone with more advance experience?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: De mon on August 22, 2015, 07:53
Naim Audio with Focal Sopra#2 on demo..
Here's a link:

https://m.facebook.com/naimaudiosg

Wonder how it sounds..
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: malsound on August 22, 2015, 10:32
Naim Audio with Focal Sopra#2 on demo..
Here's a link:

https://m.facebook.com/naimaudiosg

Wonder how it sounds..

http://www.youtube.com/v/Cx4J2N_JXSY&fs=1
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: De mon on August 22, 2015, 11:25
Thanks for sharing the video clip bro. Nice combo!
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: pathetichindsight on August 27, 2015, 18:11
Hi guys i recently acquired a supernait 1, and the rest of my setup is naim cd5xs with teddycap and dynaudio c1. My IC and speaker cables are nordost heimdall, and power cords are DH Labs red wave. Have read conflicting views on naim forum on suitability of nordost with naim. any recommendations here? thanks.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on November 20, 2015, 05:52
Guys any of you using teddy caps here? Better than high cap dr?


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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on November 20, 2015, 09:21
Used before. Beside pricing, it depends on what you want. Support from both Teddy or Naim are never an issue.

If you like the Naim sound, then it's better to stick with Naim power supply. Especially true if you are listening to a lot of pop or rock stuff.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on November 20, 2015, 11:01
I have heard the Teddy before.  If you're comparing to HiCap DR, I would say both comparable in terms of transparency and resolution but I believe Naim with a much bigger tranny and a lot more filter caps would give about a bigger and rock solid presentation. Naim is a lot more pricier though.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: cstanxpl on November 20, 2015, 11:24
Hi, anyone has experience between Nait 5si and Nap 100 (based on using as power amp, if I'm not mistaken the AV input of the 5si can be used as power in).

Now that there is a 0% interest installment payment option, thinking of trying a Naim amp.

Currently using MDAC, PM-KI Pearl Lite (used as power amp) and MA GX100.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on November 20, 2015, 11:59
I used to have naim unitiqute2 with nap100. I love it. Used to have the mdac and pearl lite also. I very much prefer the naim sound.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on November 20, 2015, 12:01
I would get the uq2 or dacv1 to pair with the nap100.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: cstanxpl on November 20, 2015, 12:23
I used to have naim unitiqute2 with nap100. I love it. Used to have the mdac and pearl lite also. I very much prefer the naim sound.
I would get the uq2 or dacv1 to pair with the nap100.

Thanks bro, so can I say that you would also prefer the Nap 100 instead of Nait 5si (sound quality wise)?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on November 20, 2015, 13:32
No, I have not heard of the 5si so no preference of the nap100 over it.
My first Naim is a 5i which got me interested in audio again and I believe the 5si will better the 5i.
If going for the integrated, I will stick with the integrated instead of using it as power amp due to system synergy.
If going for the Nap100, I will look at the UQ2 and DACV1 again for system synergy and cosmetic matching.

Presently I'm using a SuperNait2 but just recently post for sale due to backside itch not dissatisfaction.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: cstanxpl on November 20, 2015, 14:58
No, I have not heard of the 5si so no preference of the nap100 over it.
My first Naim is a 5i which got me interested in audio again and I believe the 5si will better the 5i.
If going for the integrated, I will stick with the integrated instead of using it as power amp due to system synergy.
If going for the Nap100, I will look at the UQ2 and DACV1 again for system synergy and cosmetic matching.

Presently I'm using a SuperNait2 but just recently post for sale due to backside itch not dissatisfaction.


OK, thanks bro.

I'm more keen on the Nap 100 as I can put it side by side with my MDAC on same rack space.

Just checked the price for Nait 5si also...think quite a bit out of what I willing to spend now.

Will try to go for a listen when got time.

Thanks again.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on November 20, 2015, 16:21
I have heard the Teddy before.  If you're comparing to HiCap DR, I would say both comparable in terms of transparency and resolution but I believe Naim with a much bigger tranny and a lot more filter caps would give about a bigger and rock solid presentation. Naim is a lot more pricier though.

Thanks Bro. You ordered the Teddy online? Does adding a Hi Cap realy improve sound alot? Currently using nac 202 with napsc and nap 200
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on November 20, 2015, 17:34
Thanks Bro. You ordered the Teddy online? Does adding a Hi Cap realy improve sound alot? Currently using nac 202 with napsc and nap 200
No I dont have a Teddy but heard one before in my friend's setup. Yes, it is significant especially the DR version. But whether or not its worth the $ is subjective.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on November 20, 2015, 19:46
No I dont have a Teddy but heard one before in my friend's setup. Yes, it is significant especially the DR version. But whether or not its worth the $ is subjective.
Thanks bro naimster. A really tempting idea to upgrade

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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on November 20, 2015, 19:49
Thanks Bro. You ordered the Teddy online? Does adding a Hi Cap realy improve sound alot? Currently using nac 202 with napsc and nap 200

I had ordered quite a bit of things from Teddy online before. His service is good and reliable so you do not have to worry. Typically, it takes about 1 to 1.5 weeks to ship the things over. Their resting days are Friday and Saturday.

When you get power supply to any Naim preamp, you will get bolder and more refine sound. The power supply upgrade of Naim has quite typical effect. But there are limitations to what 202 can do. It is also good to shop around for other audio brands before committing to the power supply upgrade.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on November 20, 2015, 19:53
I had ordered quite a bit of things from Teddy online before. His service is good and reliable so you do not have to worry. Typically, it takes about 1 to 1.5 weeks to ship the things over. Their resting days are Friday and Saturday.

When you get power supply to any Naim preamp, you will get bolder and more refine sound. The power supply upgrade of Naim has quite typical effect. But there are limitations to what 202 can do. It is also good to shop around for other audio brands before committing to the power supply upgrade.
Thanks bro. Was talking to vik and Ivan and they recommended nac 202 due to my small listening room size. I am running it with a dynaudio focus 160. Hoping that the hi cap will make my sound more refined

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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on December 01, 2015, 09:47
Just checking with you all....anyone paired Nac 202 with Super Cap before? Is there a huge improvement?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on December 01, 2015, 10:06
Just checking with you all....anyone paired Nac 202 with Super Cap before? Is there a huge improvement?
Don't bother. Way overkill and not utilizing the regulators in the SuperCap. Better off with a 282/hicap and move upwards from there.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on December 01, 2015, 10:40
Don't bother. Way overkill and not utilizing the regulators in the SuperCap. Better off with a 282/hicap and move upwards from there.

Haha ok thanks Bro. So if I getting a 282 in the future 2 Hicaps and a 282 is sufficient?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on December 01, 2015, 12:05
282/hicap is fine. Skip the 2hicap and go supercap after that to prepare you for 252. IMHO 52 or 252 is one of the best product ever made from naim.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on December 01, 2015, 12:15
282/hicap is fine. Skip the 2hicap and go supercap after that to prepare you for 252. IMHO 52 or 252 is one of the best product ever made from naim.

+1.

The 52 and 252 is quite a fair bit above the 282. The real stuff begins from there.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on December 01, 2015, 14:03
Haha poisonous leh you all :p
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on December 03, 2015, 15:09
Dac and Dac v1 new firmware update to enable DSD :)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: joeling on December 03, 2015, 22:09
Pardon the ignorance - how does the nDAC compare to the DAC section of the NDS ?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on December 03, 2015, 22:40
Pardon the ignorance - how does the nDAC compare to the DAC section of the NDS ?
Both are using the same 1704K DAC chip and output stage is somewhat similar. The key difference is how the NDS takes in the digital bits. NDS gets the raw I2S data bits from transport within the same box whereas NDAC gets it from the external SPDIF which goes through transceiver chip which then gets reclocked internally and this itself makes heck of a difference with the NDS being much better.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on December 03, 2015, 23:22
Pardon the ignorance - how does the nDAC compare to the DAC section of the NDS ?

The idea of streamer is to remove the importance of transport by having a transport within (as mentioned ny Naimster). The data is stored inside the ram of the nds. That remove a lot of variables and result in a more consistent sound. DAC are often very much affected by transport and it's very hard to get a consistent house sound. By operating this way, the sound should theoretically be as consistent like a CD player. However, in reality, it seems that noise are still seeping into the unit through the Ethernet cables. That's why the network will still affect the sound of the nds.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on December 03, 2015, 23:30
The idea of streamer is to remove the importance of transport by having a transport within (as mentioned ny Naimster). The data is stored inside the ram of the nds. That remove a lot of variables and result in a more consistent sound. DAC are often very much affected by transport and it's very hard to get a consistent house sound. By operating this way, the sound should theoretically be as consistent like a CD player. However, in reality, it seems that noise are still seeping into the unit through the Ethernet cables. That's why the network will still affect the sound of the nds.
The net effect of having single box without the transceiver chips still far outweigh the noise from Ethernet.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on December 03, 2015, 23:38
The net effect of having single box without the transceiver chips still far outweigh the noise from Ethernet.

+1. I think bare streamers still sound better than DAC that is not highly optimized. However, to get really more refined sound, the network of the streamer has to be optimized too. This should be especially true for higher range streamers like the naim nds or the linn klimax ds.

The Ethernet cable from the network to the klimax ds can make profound difference to the sound.

Recently, I saw a higher mid range streamer connected directly to a normal router. And I can hear small amount of unpleasant digital edge to the sound. I suspect that digital edge can be remove if the streamer is set up with the right network infrastructure.
Title: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on December 04, 2015, 08:39
Lots of noise spewing from the smps of your router/switch. Having a linear power supplie with proper filtering can help cut down those noises. Gonna make one soon for my router too.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on December 04, 2015, 09:12
Lots of noise spewing from the smps of your router/switch. Having a linear power supplie with proper filtering can help cut down those noises. Gonna make one soon for my router too.

I am using linear power supplies, pretty big difference especially on the computer. But some linear power supplies (even those highly regarded ones) sound worse  than a SMPS which result in higher noise floor, remove low level details, increase hardness of the sound, decrease macro and micro dynamics, increase colouration of the sound, and etc.

But even with linear power supplies, I suspect some noises still seep into the mains and into the audio system. It's really hard to get rid of all these noises. That's why I avoided using router and use my computer with installed DHCP server, and that cut down one source of these noises. Router and NAS are the worst of the worst, and my system sound much better without it.

Btw, I have an idea. If the router is not connected directly to the audio system (by ethernet cable and etc), then there are two ways to transmit the noise to the audio system: (1) through the mains, (2) through the air as EM radiation. I am think since high frequency signal attenuate fast over distance in a cable, one can just use a very long shielded power cable (10-20m?) to solve (1). This maybe a very cheap solution. Just wondering if this will work.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on December 04, 2015, 10:07
Yes, not all linear PSU are equal. How much reserve (in terms of current delivery) and how well they regulate and suppress the noise matters.

Noise cannot be totally eliminated but can only be reduced. To me having a router/wifi is a necessary evil. Otherwise, I don't get the convenience of using apps to control the music and that go against the very reason why I went the streamer way. I will just make do and see how best I can suppress the noise. Even as of now, the noise floor is already amazingly low.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: jerome_the_lang on December 04, 2015, 10:26
I am using linear power supplies, pretty big difference especially on the computer. But some linear power supplies (even those highly regarded ones) sound worse  than a SMPS which result in higher noise floor, remove low level details, increase hardness of the sound, decrease macro and micro dynamics, increase colouration of the sound, and etc.

But even with linear power supplies, I suspect some noises still seep into the mains and into the audio system. It's really hard to get rid of all these noises. That's why I avoided using router and use my computer with installed DHCP server, and that cut down one source of these noises. Router and NAS are the worst of the worst, and my system sound much better without it.

Btw, I have an idea. If the router is not connected directly to the audio system (by ethernet cable and etc), then there are two ways to transmit the noise to the audio system: (1) through the mains, (2) through the air as EM radiation. I am think since high frequency signal attenuate fast over distance in a cable, one can just use a very long shielded power cable (10-20m?) to solve (1). This maybe a very cheap solution. Just wondering if this will work.


You are so correct.

 ;D


The cure is often more deadly than the disease.

Linear ps are by and large based on chunky pieces of transformers - and as these nasty lump of metal sit anywhere in near proximity to your audio components - they bloody hell affect the soundstaging. Ended up imaging becoming forward and soundstaging does not blossom naturally the way they should. If for some stupid reasons die die must use, then better to place the linear ps at least 3 meters away from your system's electronics, and run a long umbilical cord feeding from it to its destination component.

Remember:

any cables used for even for power supply purpose only are also directional.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on December 04, 2015, 14:36
Just got my dream streamer 2 days ago. The NDX!
Will be saving up for a XPS...
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on December 04, 2015, 15:30
Just got my dream streamer 2 days ago. The NDX!
Will be saving up for a XPS...

Congrats! Have fun!
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on December 04, 2015, 15:59
Thanks. Running it in now. The tidal integration is very good, Naim did a good job with it.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on December 04, 2015, 17:08
Yes, not all linear PSU are equal. How much reserve (in terms of current delivery) and how well they regulate and suppress the noise matters.

Noise cannot be totally eliminated but can only be reduced. To me having a router/wifi is a necessary evil. Otherwise, I don't get the convenience of using apps to control the music and that go against the very reason why I went the streamer way. I will just make do and see how best I can suppress the noise. Even as of now, the noise floor is already amazingly low.

I like system with drop dead noise floor. It's one of the keys to produce emotional music that touches the heart. Must listen to you system in the future.

I was thinking that since I am an audiophile, I must play turntable at least once in my life. I must learn turntable stuff from you in the future.  ;D
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: engjoo on December 04, 2015, 22:57
Just got my dream streamer 2 days ago. The NDX!
Will be saving up for a XPS...

Welcome on board. Is yours the latest with bluetooth ? Me no budget for XPS.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on December 05, 2015, 06:06
Welcome on board. Is yours the latest with bluetooth ? Me no budget for XPS.

Yes with Bluetooth. The ndx is connected to a supernait 2. Speakers are the harbeth shl5.
I also have no budget for the xps :)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: engjoo on December 05, 2015, 06:12
Yes with Bluetooth. The ndx is connected to a supernait 2. Speakers are the harbeth shl5.
I also have no budget for the xps :)

We have very similar setup. NDX -> SN2 - P3ESR. You are my "bigger brother"! :-)

Would love to hear yours one day.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on December 05, 2015, 08:33
We can consider a streamer gathering. Visit three setup. One with Naim streamer, one with Linn streamer, and one with Lumin streamer. Can be done over a span of 1-2 months.

I have a Linn streamer. Both of you have Naim streamers. I know some people that uses Lumin.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on December 05, 2015, 09:22
We have very similar setup. NDX -> SN2 - P3ESR. You are my "bigger brother"! :-)

Would love to hear yours one day.

Nice! I'm really happy the sound this baby is making even without run in.
You can drop by for a listen anytime :) I'm in Pasir Ris.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on December 05, 2015, 09:23
We can consider a streamer gathering. Visit three setup. One with Naim streamer, one with Linn streamer, and one with Lumin streamer. Can be done over a span of 1-2 months.

I have a Linn streamer. Both of you have Naim streamers. I know some people that uses Lumin.

Good idea!
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on December 05, 2015, 09:36
Went abs yesterday to hear the ndx. Really sounds good. Not sure if they plug into Xps or 555ps though. The sound is just out of this world.


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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: riff on December 05, 2015, 10:18
Hiya ! Any old skool Naimee here?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on December 05, 2015, 10:42
Went abs yesterday to hear the ndx. Really sounds good. Not sure if they plug into Xps or 555ps though. The sound is just out of this world.

Nice! You can go around and visit some of the other brothers' houses and listen to their systems. Their system can be Naim or from other brands. It's always good to listen around. Sometimes one can discover some special gems.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on December 05, 2015, 10:55
Yup good if have this chance. Currently using a cocktail x10...

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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on December 05, 2015, 11:25
Yup good if have this chance. Currently using a cocktail x10...

See if you can borrow a Hugo DAC from any brothers. It's small and portable so its easy to take it home.

I have it for a while in the past, maybe worth a listen. For interconnect between Hugo and Preamp, you can try the Linn silver RCA. :)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: engjoo on December 05, 2015, 15:17
Nice! I'm really happy the sound this baby is making even without run in.
You can drop by for a listen anytime :) I'm in Pasir Ris.

Would be interesting to do an A/B between XPS and TPS some day!
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on December 05, 2015, 17:08
See if you can borrow a Hugo DAC from any brothers. It's small and portable so its easy to take it home.

I have it for a while in the past, maybe worth a listen. For interconnect between Hugo and Preamp, you can try the Linn silver RCA. :)

Thanks bro. Currently connect it to either sound affairs modded mytek or dac v1. Will try Hugo if have chance. Good to hear the difference between DACs. Silver not harsh?


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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on December 05, 2015, 17:35
Thanks bro. Currently connect it to either sound affairs modded mytek or dac v1. Will try Hugo if have chance. Good to hear the difference between DACs. Silver not harsh?

Linn silver is not silver but copper wires. Silver is just referring to the colour of the insulation layer. It's a very natural sounding cable that's not too expensive to buy and should match well with Hugo. it's even more analog sounding that NDX/TXPS.. However if you are playing rock, NDX is better. However NDX sound more raw without external power supply. The sound of both players are pretty different. Depends on what you want. I like both players.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on December 05, 2015, 20:58
Linn silver is not silver but copper wires. Silver is just referring to the colour of the insulation layer. It's a very natural sounding cable that's not too expensive to buy and should match well with Hugo. it's even more analog sounding that NDX/TXPS.. However if you are playing rock, NDX is better. However NDX sound more raw without external power supply. The sound of both players are pretty different. Depends on what you want. I like both players.

Ya think I am really try. I am more into vocals and instrumentals
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on December 05, 2015, 22:03
We have very similar setup. NDX -> SN2 - P3ESR. You are my "bigger brother"! :-)

Would love to hear yours one day.

engjoo, do you use system automation on the ndx to control supernait 2's volume?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: engjoo on December 06, 2015, 05:14
engjoo, do you use system automation on the ndx to control supernait 2's volume?

Yes I do. That in fact was my main motivation of getting the SN2. (I got my NDX earlier "pre loved" from a fellow bro here). Let me know if you need help. :-)
Title: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on December 06, 2015, 09:48
I just acquired a used Hugo recently .. After all the rave reviews and having heard them in friends setup I thought I shld get one to try  .... Unfortunately it didn't bettered my DIY DAC and thus relegated to become part of my headphone rig.

P/S: I still think the Hugo is actually very very good .., I think they are better than the NDX (possibly even with a XPS) if you use their USB input.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on December 06, 2015, 10:09
What about nDac? Is it better than NDX or NDS?


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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on December 06, 2015, 11:22

What about nDac? Is it better than NDX or NDS?


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The ndac though uses a superior dac only takes in Spdif and that is its Achilles heel. It definitely lose to NDS and does not better the NDX in some areas (timing and flow) unless u are using Spdif for both of them when comparing.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on December 06, 2015, 12:14
The ndac though uses a superior dac only takes in Spdif and that is its Achilles heel. It definitely lose to NDS and does not better the NDX in some areas (timing and flow) unless u are using Spdif for both of them when comparing.
Thanks naimster. Cause currently I am using jriver running on kodibuntu. So I am debating whether to use this with a ndac or just go straight for ndx

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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on December 06, 2015, 12:50

Thanks naimster. Cause currently I am using jriver running on kodibuntu. So I am debating whether to use this with a ndac or just go straight for ndx

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How you're going to use ndac with your kodibuntu ? Ndac doesn't have USB input for hookup to pcs and the likes...Only iPods and thumbdrive.

Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on December 06, 2015, 13:04
I am planning to link it via spdif using mf vlink 192

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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on December 08, 2015, 09:05
The NDX is bedding in now, the sound is getting fuller and center image more focus with good bounce on the lower frequencies. Naim signature PRaT is revealing itself.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on December 08, 2015, 09:22
If I were you,  I would move away from spdif and multiple boxes for digital. Naim has all this while spot on in making all their CDPs a single box as this is the best approach to make jitter a non-issue. NDAC IMHO is a step in the wrong direction and just addressing what consumer wants and not what Naim thinks its best for sound. To reduce the jitter in NDAC, if you read the white paper, Naim has added DSP to reclock the signals. Had they put everything in a box, they probably don't need to resort to this and instead use higher quality power supplies and higher precision clocks. Besides that, NDX has radio, Spotify and TIdal support and not NDAC.

Having said that, NDX is still not the most ideal cos its using the Burr Brown 1791...haiz...if only Naim uses 1704 for their NDX but that would make it so close to NDS...haha...end of the day, it's all marketing ploy doing its round.

I am planning to link it via spdif using mf vlink 192
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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on December 08, 2015, 09:58
If I were you,  I would move away from spdif and multiple boxes for digital. Naim has all this while spot on in making all their CDPs a single box as this is the best approach to make jitter a non-issue. NDAC IMHO is a step in the wrong direction and just addressing what consumer wants and not what Naim thinks its best for sound. To reduce the jitter in NDAC, if you read the white paper, Naim has added DSP to reclock the signals. Had they put everything in a box, they probably don't need to resort to this and instead use higher quality power supplies and higher precision clocks. Besides that, NDX has radio, Spotify and TIdal support and not NDAC.

Having said that, NDX is still not the most ideal cos its using the Burr Brown 1791...haiz...if only Naim uses 1704 for their NDX but that would make it so close to NDS...haha...end of the day, it's all marketing ploy doing its round.


Thanks Naimster bro. Guess I will look for Vik to do an AB to convince myself to get a Christmas present lol. Does feeding the NDX via USB HDD or via network have any audible difference?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on December 08, 2015, 10:00
The NDX is bedding in now, the sound is getting fuller and center image more focus with good bounce on the lower frequencies. Naim signature PRaT is revealing itself.


Qucikly get a Naim 555PS DR Power Supply to make it sound even better :p
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on December 08, 2015, 10:00
Thanks Naimster bro. Guess I will look for Vik to do an AB to convince myself to get a Christmas present lol. Does feeding the NDX via USB HDD or via network have any audible difference?

Yes it does. Even different thumb drive sound different. I had that experiment when I was using the NDX.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on December 08, 2015, 10:04
Yes it does. Even different thumb drive sound different. I had that experiment when I was using the NDX.

So direct feeding via USB is better? I will expect ethernet to have lots of interference.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on December 08, 2015, 10:09
Qucikly get a Naim 555PS DR Power Supply to make it sound even better :p

Yes, saving up for it :)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on December 08, 2015, 10:10
Thanks Naimster bro. Guess I will look for Vik to do an AB to convince myself to get a Christmas present lol. Does feeding the NDX via USB HDD or via network have any audible difference?
If you're looking to use only USB HDD, then NDAC works well since it's not via SPDIF and the digital feeds are from within NDAC.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on December 08, 2015, 10:23
But that one cannot use naim app. A big compromise actually

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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on December 08, 2015, 10:27
demogoblin, buy the ndx :)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on December 08, 2015, 10:29
naimster,

you are using all naim? can share what's your setup like?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on December 08, 2015, 10:54
naimster,

you are using all naim? can share what's your setup like?
Mutated Naims :P

Vinyl Source:
Immedia RPM2 > DIY Phono
Digital :
Modified SoundAware D100 Pro Digital Transport > DIY 1794 NOS DAC
Pre Power :
Modified Naim NAC52/Modified SuperCap/Modified 135
Speaker :
ATC SCM20T with upgraded tweeters.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on December 08, 2015, 11:05
Mutated Naims :P

Vinyl Source:
Immedia RPM2 > DIY Phono
Digital :
Modified SoundAware D100 Pro Digital Transport > DIY 1794 NOS DAC
Pre Power :
Modified Naim NAC52/Modified SuperCap/Modified 135
Speaker :
ATC SCM20T

wow, i see many "modified" words here..
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on December 08, 2015, 11:11
wow, i see many "modified" words here..
Yeap. Which is why I say it's mutated. I am a cheapskate la...since I know some electronics, put it to good use.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on December 08, 2015, 11:36
Yeap. Which is why I say it's mutated. I am a cheapskate la...since I know some electronics, put it to good use.

I wished I had the skill to work on electronics
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on December 08, 2015, 11:56
Haha shall drop by at AS during lunch to try resist temptation :D
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on December 08, 2015, 11:57
But that one cannot use naim app. A big compromise actually

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Evil leh tempt me lol. Then my cocktail and cpu how :p ?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on December 08, 2015, 12:11
Easy, sell away
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Tiktokape on December 08, 2015, 12:16

Easy, sell away
always the best excuse to upgrade


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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on December 08, 2015, 12:18
So direct feeding via USB is better? I will expect ethernet to have lots of interference.

When I was using the NDX, I did not optimise the ethernet like I do now. So I can only compare normal ethernet with thumb drive, which I prefer the thumb drive. But in NDX case, I think the difference is yet to be that significant. So in terms of sound quality its thumb drive, then normal ethernet, then wireless. But whichever input it is, I think the NDX sound nice especially on pop and rock music.

I don't think Ethenet has lots of interference. It's only at the very last final level that the effect of such minor noises is important. If you are interested on the effect of digital noise, you can read this:

http://www.audiostream.com/content/shunyata-research-hydra-dpc-6-digital-power-distribution-center#fLh2AJWQw4r1SVHD.97 (http://www.audiostream.com/content/shunyata-research-hydra-dpc-6-digital-power-distribution-center#fLh2AJWQw4r1SVHD.97)

Since you are into vocal, if you really want to buy a NDX, get a few slow vocal tracks, then sit down and listen to it. Listen to the vocal carefully, especially to the edge of the notes. Then compare to other sources like the Chord Hugo DAC. But on the other hand, get a few fast moving track an test it on NDX and Hugo. Then you weight and decide on what you want.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on December 08, 2015, 12:37
Intek_88 what did you do to optimize your ethernet?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on December 08, 2015, 12:46
Intek_88 what did you do to optimize your ethernet?

PMed you.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on December 08, 2015, 13:08
PMed you.
Thanks!
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on December 08, 2015, 13:26
When I was using the NDX, I did not optimise the ethernet like I do now. So I can only compare normal ethernet with thumb drive, which I prefer the thumb drive. But in NDX case, I think the difference is yet to be that significant. So in terms of sound quality its thumb drive, then normal ethernet, then wireless. But whichever input it is, I think the NDX sound nice especially on pop and rock music.

I don't think Ethenet has lots of interference. It's only at the very last final level that the effect of such minor noises is important. If you are interested on the effect of digital noise, you can read this:

http://www.audiostream.com/content/shunyata-research-hydra-dpc-6-digital-power-distribution-center#fLh2AJWQw4r1SVHD.97 (http://www.audiostream.com/content/shunyata-research-hydra-dpc-6-digital-power-distribution-center#fLh2AJWQw4r1SVHD.97)

Since you are into vocal, if you really want to buy a NDX, get a few slow vocal tracks, then sit down and listen to it. Listen to the vocal carefully, especially to the edge of the notes. Then compare to other sources like the Chord Hugo DAC. But on the other hand, get a few fast moving track an test it on NDX and Hugo. Then you weight and decide on what you want.
Thanks bro. Wow really alot of reading up especially on optimizing ether net. Cause I am using power plug Internet so my worry about distortion

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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on December 08, 2015, 13:32
Hmmm.....u shld really move away from that and use  proper ethernet cables.

Thanks bro. Wow really alot of reading up especially on optimizing ether net. Cause I am using power plug Internet so my worry about distortion
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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on December 08, 2015, 13:35
Hmmm.....u shld really move away from that and proper ethernet cables.
Ya I am planning to do wiring of my house to fix ether net port in all rooms.  Any good networking ppl you all cN recommend

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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on December 08, 2015, 14:36
Ya I am planning to do wiring of my house to fix ether net port in all rooms.  Any good networking ppl you all cN recommend

Use a simple network for ur streamer alone. Keep this network as simple as possible. the more complicated you make it, the more variables (in sonic and not network terms) you will experience.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on December 08, 2015, 15:54
Agreed with instek. Best is direct from NAS without a router/switch but then you will not have the app control via wifi...so IMHO the best compromise is have a dedicated router/switch that is not shared with other devices.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: scoobydoo on December 08, 2015, 16:06
So I have my synology NAS connected to the Singtel router (that came with the fibre broadband subscription) to a wall socket in my living room. From that wall socket, it is connected with the belden cat6 cable to another wall socket in my hifi room, and from the wall socket in the hifi room, connected to my NDS.

Would a linear power supply for either the router or the NAS improve anything?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on December 08, 2015, 16:25
Agreed with instek. Best is direct from NAS without a router/switch but then you will not have the app control via wifi...so IMHO the best compromise is have a dedicated router/switch that is not shared with other devices.

Now I connect an airport express via hard wired to the NDX. The airport express is on bridge mode that talks to my airport extreme router. I guess the AE is considered a dedicated switch? :)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on December 08, 2015, 16:34
So I have my synology NAS connected to the Singtel router (that came with the fibre broadband subscription) to a wall socket in my living room. From that wall socket, it is connected with the belden cat6 cable to another wall socket in my hifi room, and from the wall socket in the hifi room, connected to my NDS.

Would a linear power supply for either the router or the NAS improve anything?

Depends on the LPS used. Some are better than SMPS, some are worse. You can only try and then listen. One of the main problem I face right now when using LPS is coloration. Sadly to say, as I just tried again today, among all power supplies I tried at my computer side, SMPS sound most neutral to me. The coloration is very slight but it's enough to make the sound seems not live (live and not real. I think my system is way way way far from sounding real. My system is just a small toy compared to what some brothers have here). I had not tried Paul hynes LPS at the computer side as its being used at the streamer side. Coloration is very important to me as I like to keep the sound as neutral and natural (to my half pass six ears) as possible.

What the LPS does is that it seems to add harmonic richness to the sound. And it brings order to the sound. The noise floor is lower as well.

Interesting I plug the SMPS to a very long coiled up extension plug. The resulting sound seems to have lower floor noise and less harsh, but it adds coloration to the sound. I tried two extension plug (different brand, one 6m and one 10m) and they sound slightly different to me. Both extension plugs add coloration to the sound btw. Both make the sound more warm and sweeter.

Now, the question is, what can I do to remove the noise from the SMPS (which I assume there is because if there is no noise than it will not be affected by addition of extension cord) and yet not add a single trace of coloration. The only maybe possible device that I can thing of now is the Shunyata MPC-12 or DPC-6. I had not tried them as the price is ..... Maybe some brothers here can suggest something for me to try or a 4D number that I can buy.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on December 08, 2015, 17:18
Now I connect an airport express via hard wired to the NDX. The airport express is on bridge mode that talks to my airport extreme router. I guess the AE is considered a dedicated switch? :)

I tried a few similar combo before. Some of these combo are:

(1) Ethernet over mains - Dlink
(2) Asus wireless bridge (EA-N66?)
(3) Cisco wireless bridge
(4) Various routers set as wireless bridge. Some with original firmware some with modified (tomato?) firmware I tweaked their TX-power settings and .....

Can't remember the exact result but I did not use them in the end. What I found is that as long as you have normal router at the other end, there is a limit to what it can do. The same goes to switches. What sound best at the streamer end seems to be first optical media converters (seems like the slower ones sound better), then switches, then routers.

Lastly, before I forget. The network equipment will also be affected by vibration. I tried putting the Paul Hynes LPS and optical media converter (at the streamer side) and there is a difference in sound. In actual fact, the sound is different if I placed them at different surfaces.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: scoobydoo on December 08, 2015, 17:19
Wow.. Then I better save up my money for more orthodox Naim upgrades.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on December 08, 2015, 17:39
Wow.. Then I better save up my money for more orthodox Naim upgrades.

You using NDS/555PS. It depends on how much you can go without network optimisation.

Many people in Naim forum are already doing network optimisation. One of the first step is they use Chord Sarum Super Aray Ethernet cable, and that's the best Ethernet cable that I had heard. The second best is a not even a close second. It seems that Absolute Sound is also selling an Ethernet cable around that price but I had not heard it before. The tuned aray version is also good but more polite and more forgiving. One of the biggest gamble I did was to buy this cable but I had never regretted buying them.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on December 08, 2015, 17:48
Now I connect an airport express via hard wired to the NDX. The airport express is on bridge mode that talks to my airport extreme router. I guess the AE is considered a dedicated switch? :)
What's the source of your music library? NAS connected to your airport router? The airport router far away from the NDX?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on December 08, 2015, 17:59
Library in a USB Hdd connected to the laptop running minim server. Laptop is in the master bedroom and Wi-Fi connection. Airport extreme router is in the hall connected to fiber optic. Airport express is connected to ndx and about 1.5m from the ndx. Airport express bridge mode to the extreme which is located 9m away from the express and hifi. All power sockets where the airports are plugged in also have the audioprism quietline connected in parallel.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on December 08, 2015, 18:36
Library in a USB Hdd connected to the laptop running minim server. Laptop is in the master bedroom and Wi-Fi connection. Airport extreme router is in the hall connected to fiber optic. Airport express is connected to ndx and about 1.5m from the ndx. Airport express bridge mode to the extreme which is located 9m away from the express and hifi. All power sockets where the airports are plugged in also have the audioprism quietline connected in parallel.
In other words, the music files are being streamed via wifi to your NDX or at least wifi transmission is one part of it? Hmmm..not a very good idea.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on December 08, 2015, 18:47
Library in a USB Hdd connected to the laptop running minim server. Laptop is in the master bedroom and Wi-Fi connection. Airport extreme router is in the hall connected to fiber optic. Airport express is connected to ndx and about 1.5m from the ndx. Airport express bridge mode to the extreme which is located 9m away from the express and hifi. All power sockets where the airports are plugged in also have the audioprism quietline connected in parallel.

Try the following and see if it makes any difference.

(1) Install a DHCP server and a uPnP server in the laptop and connect the laptop directly to the NDX. Control the NDX directly at the laptop. See how you find the sound.

http://www.dhcpserver.de/ (http://www.dhcpserver.de/)
http://minimserver.com/ (http://minimserver.com/)

(2) Next add a Netgear GS108 (any version) between the laptop and the NDX. If you can get a Teddy Pardo 12V LPS and power this switch. Then see how you find the sound.

(3) If your laptop is using intel network card. Go to the device manager and then play with the "flow control" of the network card. Then see how you find the sound. Refer to post 2.

http://forums.linn.co.uk/bb/showthread.php?tid=29502 (http://forums.linn.co.uk/bb/showthread.php?tid=29502)

(4) Next. Type "msconfig" at the search of your windows OS. Then close all optional services. Then see how you find the sound.

http://us.focusrite.com/answerbase/optimising-your-pc-for-audio-on-windows-7 (http://us.focusrite.com/answerbase/optimising-your-pc-for-audio-on-windows-7)
http://www.blackviper.com/service-configurations/black-vipers-windows-7-service-pack-1-service-configurations/ (http://www.blackviper.com/service-configurations/black-vipers-windows-7-service-pack-1-service-configurations/)

What works for DAC maybe different for streamer. So you have to try one by one and then listen carefully. For exmaple, DAC user may prefer disabling hyper threading (of CPU), but I prefer to enable hyper threading.

Remember to off the wifi of the NDX and switch off all display function. Remove that antenna from the NDX. Hopefully this squeeze out more performance from the NDX.

You can play with these for the time being. Can't promise you will hear a difference as there are more factors to consider. The system bottleneck can be elsewhere.

Lastly, not advisable to use a harddisk connected to laptop using USB. The DAC gurus can explain why this is so. Its better to stick to SATA and use SSD. One SSD for OS and one SSD for media storage. Different hard disk and different SSD sound different.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on December 08, 2015, 21:21
Try the following and see if it makes any difference.

(1) Install a DHCP server and a uPnP server in the laptop and connect the laptop directly to the NDX. Control the NDX directly at the laptop. See how you find the sound.

http://www.dhcpserver.de/ (http://www.dhcpserver.de/)
http://minimserver.com/ (http://minimserver.com/)

(2) Next add a Netgear GS108 (any version) between the laptop and the NDX. If you can get a Teddy Pardo 12V LPS and power this switch. Then see how you find the sound.

(3) If your laptop is using intel network card. Go to the device manager and then play with the "flow control" of the network card. Then see how you find the sound. Refer to post 2.

http://forums.linn.co.uk/bb/showthread.php?tid=29502 (http://forums.linn.co.uk/bb/showthread.php?tid=29502)

(4) Next. Type "msconfig" at the search of your windows OS. Then close all optional services. Then see how you find the sound.

http://us.focusrite.com/answerbase/optimising-your-pc-for-audio-on-windows-7 (http://us.focusrite.com/answerbase/optimising-your-pc-for-audio-on-windows-7)
http://www.blackviper.com/service-configurations/black-vipers-windows-7-service-pack-1-service-configurations/ (http://www.blackviper.com/service-configurations/black-vipers-windows-7-service-pack-1-service-configurations/)

What works for DAC maybe different for streamer. So you have to try one by one and then listen carefully. For exmaple, DAC user may prefer disabling hyper threading (of CPU), but I prefer to enable hyper threading.

Remember to off the wifi of the NDX and switch off all display function. Remove that antenna from the NDX. Hopefully this squeeze out more performance from the NDX.

You can play with these for the time being. Can't promise you will hear a difference as there are more factors to consider. The system bottleneck can be elsewhere.

Lastly, not advisable to use a harddisk connected to laptop using USB. The DAC gurus can explain why this is so. Its better to stick to SATA and use SSD. One SSD for OS and one SSD for media storage. Different hard disk and different SSD sound different.

Intek_88,

Thanks for putting the effort for the write up and sharing.

In fact, before going to the streamer route. I was into the computer audio with Windows Server 2012, Audiophile Optimizer, JPlay, Jriver and Roonlabs. I used a laptop with SSD and stored on the music in it. Laptop runs on battery only when listening music. Laptop connects via Furutech USB cable to ifi usb power and then DAC.

But a dedicated streamer still sound better than the above with all the optimization. I guess there are so many variables involved in a computer setup and streamer just worked.

Presently, with the NDX I turned off all unused inputs and internal wifi. Display also turned off to squeeze out more from it like you said.

Title: Re: Naim Audio Threade
Post by: mrtan on December 08, 2015, 22:09
Congrats Kaydee! Your AE is the bottle neck and I bet it can't stream hi res files. Been there done that. Try to move your Nas and NdX on the same switch. You should hear some improvement. Enjoy the process of running in your NDX!
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on December 08, 2015, 22:17
Congrats Kaydee! Your AE is the bottle neck and I bet it can't stream hi res files. Been there done that. Try to move your Nas and NdX on the same switch. You should hear some improvement. Enjoy the process of running in your NDX!

Hello mrtan, how's the 272 and 250Dr?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on December 08, 2015, 22:18
Try the following and see if it makes any difference.

(1) Install a DHCP server and a uPnP server in the laptop and connect the laptop directly to the NDX. Control the NDX directly at the laptop. See how you find the sound.

http://www.dhcpserver.de/ (http://www.dhcpserver.de/)
http://minimserver.com/ (http://minimserver.com/)

(2) Next add a Netgear GS108 (any version) between the laptop and the NDX. If you can get a Teddy Pardo 12V LPS and power this switch. Then see how you find the sound.

(3) If your laptop is using intel network card. Go to the device manager and then play with the "flow control" of the network card. Then see how you find the sound. Refer to post 2.

http://forums.linn.co.uk/bb/showthread.php?tid=29502 (http://forums.linn.co.uk/bb/showthread.php?tid=29502)

(4) Next. Type "msconfig" at the search of your windows OS. Then close all optional services. Then see how you find the sound.

http://us.focusrite.com/answerbase/optimising-your-pc-for-audio-on-windows-7 (http://us.focusrite.com/answerbase/optimising-your-pc-for-audio-on-windows-7)
http://www.blackviper.com/service-configurations/black-vipers-windows-7-service-pack-1-service-configurations/ (http://www.blackviper.com/service-configurations/black-vipers-windows-7-service-pack-1-service-configurations/)

What works for DAC maybe different for streamer. So you have to try one by one and then listen carefully. For exmaple, DAC user may prefer disabling hyper threading (of CPU), but I prefer to enable hyper threading.

Remember to off the wifi of the NDX and switch off all display function. Remove that antenna from the NDX. Hopefully this squeeze out more performance from the NDX.

You can play with these for the time being. Can't promise you will hear a difference as there are more factors to consider. The system bottleneck can be elsewhere.

Lastly, not advisable to use a harddisk connected to laptop using USB. The DAC gurus can explain why this is so. Its better to stick to SATA and use SSD. One SSD for OS and one SSD for media storage. Different hard disk and different SSD sound different.

Wah bro thanks man very detailed. The worst is Aztech Powerline. Really don't try. Sound quality drops alot. DSD file sometimes got problem streaming.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: mrtan on December 08, 2015, 22:31
Hello mrtan, how's the 272 and 250Dr?

It's good. Like you I'm saving for a XPS or maybe SL.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: scoobydoo on December 08, 2015, 22:47
So can the unused inputs and internal wifi of NDS be turned off as well?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on December 08, 2015, 22:58
So can the unused inputs and internal wifi of NDS be turned off as well?

Yes, if I am not wrong. Check your manual, it's all inside.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: scoobydoo on December 08, 2015, 22:59
Ok. Will do.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: nautilus on December 09, 2015, 02:04
So can the unused inputs and internal wifi of NDS be turned off as well?

Yes I normally turn the unused inputs off. Wifi is disabled if wired Ethernet is used.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: scoobydoo on December 09, 2015, 08:50
No one told me that could be done (until now)... and I havent been reading the Naim forum too frequently these days.

I did also try some expensive Ethernet cable (loaned from absolute sound). I think its the Vertere Acoustics ones, costing 4 figures. Honestly, dont think I could hear a significant difference. Definitely not like adding a powerline or hiline kind of difference.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on December 09, 2015, 09:15
No one told me that could be done (until now)... and I havent been reading the Naim forum too frequently these days.

I did also try some expensive Ethernet cable (loaned from absolute sound). I think its the Vertere Acoustics ones, costing 4 figures. Honestly, dont think I could hear a significant difference. Definitely not like adding a powerline or hiline kind of difference.

Maybe some old Naim users (like nautilus) can share more about Naim optimisation. There are a lot of Naim tricks and tips. It's good to collate all these knowledge together. For example how to do Burndy de-stressing, how to lock din correctly, how to do cable dressing, and etc.

Whether you hear any difference will depends on where the main choke point of your system is and every system will be different. The thing about network optimisation is that you must try and try. You will not hear the full benefits of Ethernet cables if you are still using noisy router and etc. I don't think Ethernet cables stop noises coming from noisy router. I do not fully know why good Ethernet cables work and I gave up reasoning it after a while. The cheapest and fastest way to "upgrade" your Ethernet cable is to keep it away from power cables, signal cables, anything magnetic, power distributor, and transformers.

I don't think the effect of adding a Chord Sarum Super Aray Ethernet cable is anything less than Hiline or Powerline. It's not subtle.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on December 09, 2015, 09:31
Instek_88,

Have you tried lan filter like the sotm iso-cat6?

http://www.sotm-audio.com/sotmwp/english/portfolio-item/iso-cat6/
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on December 09, 2015, 09:54
Instek_88,

Have you tried lan filter like the sotm iso-cat6?

http://www.sotm-audio.com/sotmwp/english/portfolio-item/iso-cat6/

Nope, not tried that. So can't comments on that. No harm trying it. Is Ray from Raindrop Audio carrying it?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on December 09, 2015, 10:35
No one told me that could be done (until now)... and I havent been reading the Naim forum too frequently these days.

I did also try some expensive Ethernet cable (loaned from absolute sound). I think its the Vertere Acoustics ones, costing 4 figures. Honestly, dont think I could hear a significant difference. Definitely not like adding a powerline or hiline kind of difference.

Actually how does a powerline work? I mean for High Cap and Super Cap I can see the rational but what about powerline? Construction of the power plug?

Just asking a question not meaning to be aggressive or anything.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: engjoo on December 09, 2015, 10:58
Try the following and see if it makes any difference.

(1) Install a DHCP server and a uPnP server in the laptop and connect the laptop directly to the NDX. Control the NDX directly at the laptop. See how you find the sound.

http://www.dhcpserver.de/ (http://www.dhcpserver.de/)
http://minimserver.com/ (http://minimserver.com/)


Do you mean connecting the NDX network port (via an ethernet cable) directly to the network port of the laptop ?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on December 09, 2015, 11:00
I got this recently..not expensive and it does it job well...at least better than the ones off SLT. and Challenger :)

http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/data-cables/
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on December 09, 2015, 11:02
Actually how does a powerline work? I mean for High Cap and Super Cap I can see the rational but what about powerline? Construction of the power plug?

Just asking a question not meaning to be aggressive or anything.
Every termination is a weak point and I believe for the powerline the plug quality makes a bigger diff than the cable itself.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on December 09, 2015, 11:14
I got this recently..not expensive and it does it job well...at least better than the ones off SLT. and Challenger :)

http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/data-cables/
I got schiit cables. Seems to work pretty well too.

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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: scoobydoo on December 09, 2015, 11:20
Steve from Absolute Sound DIYed some ethernet cables from me using the Metz RJ45 plugs. I didnt do AB with the normal ethernet cables that I have but the ones he did certainly looks good.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: engjoo on December 09, 2015, 11:22
I got this recently..not expensive and it does it job well...at least better than the ones off SLT. and Challenger :)

http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/data-cables/


I like Bluejeans too. Their ultrsonically welded speaker cables are also pretty impressive at that price point. I am ordering a set of their 6a cables to try soon.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on December 09, 2015, 11:24
Do you mean connecting the NDX network port (via an ethernet cable) directly to the network port of the laptop ?

Yes. Set static IP for network card and streamer, which will be assigned by the DHCP server installed in the laptop. I am not an IT person so it took me a while to figure it out. Hopefully some IT brother here can help me optimise this.

Btw, You don't have to use a crossover Ethernet cable for this. It just work with a normal Ethernet cable. I had not seriously tried whether crossover or normal Ethernet cable sound better in this situation.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: engjoo on December 09, 2015, 11:27
Yes. Set static IP for network card and streamer, which will be assigned by the DHCP server installed in the laptop. I am not an IT person so it took me a while to figure it out. Hopefully some IT brother here can help me optimise this.

Btw, You don't have to use a crossover Ethernet cable for this. It just work with a normal Ethernet cable. I had not seriously tried whether crossover or normal Ethernet cable sound better in this situation.

Ok. I was thinking if you are using a crossover ethernet cable.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on December 09, 2015, 11:36
Ok. I was thinking if you are using a crossover ethernet cable.

Nope. Just using a normal Ethernet cable now.

It's been a long time since I seriously test on network stuff. Did some things to my system for past few months and it should be more transparent now, might be a good time to retest everything again. For the time being, I am sticking with direct connection with optical media converter as a "barrier".

I even did this before ....

(http://www.finnie.org/text/network-tips/crossover-short.jpg)

For brother who have cheap experiments, can do this. Just cost less than 50 cents. I have a few of these but not using them btw.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: engjoo on December 09, 2015, 12:16
Nope. Just using a normal Ethernet cable now.

It's been a long time since I seriously test on network stuff. Did some things to my system for past few months and it should be more transparent now, might be a good time to retest everything again. For the time being, I am sticking with direct connection with optical media converter as a "barrier".

I even did this before ....

(http://www.finnie.org/text/network-tips/crossover-short.jpg)

For brother who have cheap experiments, can do this. Just cost less than 50 cents. I have a few of these but not using them btw.


Oh my oh my. You may qualify having the shortest Ethernet cable in the entire universe! :-)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on December 09, 2015, 13:49
Listening volume have been creeping up recently.
Some of the more upbeat music is so very much enjoyable now. I am a vocal and jazz person, looks like there will be more music genre added to my Tidal favorites,
Now if only Tidal starts behaving again...
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on December 09, 2015, 18:22
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/07/340-audiophile-ethernet-cable-gets-a-marginal-pass-on-the-test-bench/
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on December 09, 2015, 18:46
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/07/340-audiophile-ethernet-cable-gets-a-marginal-pass-on-the-test-bench/

Interesting article. But there is some problems with it:

(1) They mentioned listening test. What system did they use? Was the system properly setted up?
(2) What kind of listeners are they referring to? Some people can audition a system for 1-2 hours and walk away scratching their head, while some people can listen to a system for a very short time can roughly tell its characteristics. My listening skill is really half past six, while my wife's listening skill is really amazing.
(3) What kind of track did they use? What is the quality of the recording?
(4) Their test is only on reliability of data transmission. This would assume that only the reliability of transmission affect the sound. However transmission protocol already solve all transmission error unless the cable is ultra CMI.
(5) Working on point (4). If the system is transparent enough, one can easily hear differences in sound quality and sound characteristics when different Ethernet is used. I suspect the problem is reliability of transmission but rather EMI/RFI issue. But I am not a technical person.
(6) I have both the Vodka and Diamond Ethernet cables before. I prefer the Chord Sarum Super Aray cable. But I can understand why some Naim users may prefer Diamond Ethernet cables.

Interesting, Linn forum is very anti network optimisation and the same goes to Naim forum in the early days. Now the Naim forum had more or less accepted it. It's like USB cable story all over again. It's been argued a trillion times. Just plug it into a transparent system and then listen.

During the earlier days of Naim, they didn't believe in cables. Now? Hiline, powerline, and even SL. I am not saying Naim is wrong in the early days or Naim is wrong now. Maybe the times have changed. Twenty years ago (when it was the Naim Olive generation), how many people use wireless router, computers and etc. Maybe these devices created EMI/RFI problems to the environment that had to be solved. Again I am just guessing.

Just for fun. I share this link:

http://www.shunyata.com/our-products/medical/669-noise-reduction-in-medical-procedure-2 (http://www.shunyata.com/our-products/medical/669-noise-reduction-in-medical-procedure-2)

Audiophile stuff being used in hospital. Can watch the video there.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on December 09, 2015, 19:31
Instek_88,

You are the electrical noise king now :)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: engjoo on December 09, 2015, 19:49
I do not deny that cables do make a difference but whatever we spend on them must be sensible and justified for the improvement. From what I am hearing on the good versus mass market cables, I do not see any value spending 4 figures on them.

I believe back in the good old days, Naim was not saying that cables do not make a difference but rather the money spend on them do not justify the improvement gain.

Naim today is a very different company now and they are obviously aware that there are money to be made here so it makes sense to invest in this area.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on December 09, 2015, 20:24
Here is an useful guide written by a naim forumer.
http://forums.naimaudio.com/topic/audio-netwoking-and-rfi-simplified?reply=41551095772846693
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on December 09, 2015, 20:56
Here is an useful guide written by a naim forumer.
http://forums.naimaudio.com/topic/audio-netwoking-and-rfi-simplified?reply=41551095772846693

Tried. You can try it too.

The key thing about filter is not about filtering. It's about not adding color and retaining dynamics. Extremely little stuff do that well.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on December 09, 2015, 21:08
direct link to the document

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Byjlr9brl1ykUDg1dUNzSTNVS28/view?usp=sharing

Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: nautilus on December 10, 2015, 11:12
Maybe some old Naim users (like nautilus) can share more about Naim optimisation. There are a lot of Naim tricks and tips. It's good to collate all these knowledge together. For example how to do Burndy de-stressing, how to lock din correctly, how to do cable dressing, and etc.

Whether you hear any difference will depends on where the main choke point of your system is and every system will be different. The thing about network optimisation is that you must try and try. You will not hear the full benefits of Ethernet cables if you are still using noisy router and etc. I don't think Ethernet cables stop noises coming from noisy router. I do not fully know why good Ethernet cables work and I gave up reasoning it after a while. The cheapest and fastest way to "upgrade" your Ethernet cable is to keep it away from power cables, signal cables, anything magnetic, power distributor, and transformers.

I don't think the effect of adding a Chord Sarum Super Aray Ethernet cable is anything less than Hiline or Powerline. It's not subtle.

Actually on my system, I didn't really do anything out of the ordinary except to ensure that the network infrastructure is done up well and logically. My current setup consists of the NDS, Synology NAS, both connected to a Dlink switch which is then connected to the router. All cables from the NDS to Synology are the same AMPnetconnect CAT6 cables with AMP CAT6 keystone jacks. I kept the cables the same to prevent any sort of impedance mismatch between different makes of cables. The NAS and switch sits in a different room powered by the stock PSUs but it's on a different ring circuit altogether. I really didn't bother to add linear PSU's to them since they are on a different circuit and the effects would be more or less minimised. That's about all the "optimisation" that i did really.

I didn't want to get into other more extreme optimisations such as power filters, etc as these usually bring about a clear degradation in sound quality, even when used with other household equipment that are not in the same circuit as the Naims. Given the choice between SMPS and a SMPS + powerstrip with surge protection/noise filter, i will choose the former every time. It's impossible to eliminate all SMPS these days as almost all household appliances have SMPS these days. Also, i didn't really want to get into exotic ethernet cables as the pricing for those fall well into equipment upgrade territory.

I did try some small tweaks previously like adding RF clamps, but the effects are really placebo. Further reading on RF clamps also show that it doesn't really bode well with high frequency signals such as network cable. In the end i just dumped it and used back the standard AMP CAT6 cable. Line filters, power conditioners and surge protectors work well for other brands of audio equipment but are detrimental to Naim stuff so that's a no go for me. I tried different ethernet cables but none gave me a big a difference as upgrading from a ND5 to a NDS.

Keeping things simple it seems made the most difference to my ears. Stuff such as the cheap $1 copper bus bars that i buy in sungei road to replace the fuses in the powerlines were clearly discernable.

Ultimately, one man's meat is another man's poison. If i say i cannot hear a $10K ethernet cable make a difference in my system, that doesn't mean others can't as well. Perhaps i'm just a bit deaf due to age. Enough of ranting, time to sort out issues with Tidal now.......
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on December 10, 2015, 12:32
Nautilus, you upgraded nd5xs to nds? That is a 20k jump!
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: nautilus on December 10, 2015, 12:58
Nautilus, you upgraded nd5xs to nds? That is a 20k jump!

Yes that's right. I decided to take the plunge and went all the way. That aside, the NDS is really an animal - beauty and the beast all built into one product. Throw whatever music you want at it and it will play it out with ease. Even genres that you never thought will make sense such as children's nursury rhymes (yes I do play music for my kids once in a while :P) or electronics music. It just grabs the music by it's b****, squeezes it and throws it out!
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on December 10, 2015, 13:01
Technically, the noise from SMPS can still creep into your system via the ethernet cables so I believe a good linear PSU or a good SMPS that doesnt spew noise out will help from this aspect.

I really didn't bother to add linear PSU's to them since they are on a different circuit and the effects would be more or less minimised. That's about all the "optimisation" that i did really.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: nautilus on December 10, 2015, 13:08
Technically, the noise from SMPS can still creep into your system via the ethernet cables so I believe a good linear PSU or a good SMPS that doesnt spew noise out will help from this aspect.


Noise from the SMPS will mainly affect the house main much more than the ethernet cables. The harmonic effect on SMPS on the incoming mains is measurable but not on the ethernet cable. 

Besides, there are so many appliances with SMPS in the house that it's quite moot to address one and ignore the others.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on December 10, 2015, 13:11
There are three ways noise can enter from network to streamer:

(1) through Ethernet
(2) through mains
(3) through air as em radiation

When using optical media converter, you reduce (1). Reduce and not remove. It also simplify the way to solve (1)
For (1) and (2), there are two types:

(1) common mode noise
(2) differential mode noise

Not sure if I am correct. Not technical person. Naimster more pro, he can correct me if I am wrong.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on December 10, 2015, 13:12
The smps is powering the routers and switches which is why I mentioned that. And yes I am aware most routers and switches implement optical isolation so it should cut out the noise but cat6 cables have grounded shield and noise could come from there.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on December 10, 2015, 13:18
Noise from the SMPS will mainly affect the house main much more than the ethernet cables. The harmonic effect on SMPS on the incoming mains is measurable but not on the ethernet cable. 

Besides, there are so many appliances with SMPS in the house that it's quite moot to address one and ignore the others.

I remove all SMPS from the mains. Only plug them in when I am using them. Even with dedicated mains and extensive main filtering, I can hear the effects of SMPS on the system. It very minor effect, it's a sort of hardness, the effect on the edge of the notes. It's minor but it affect the overall mood of the music.

I tried putting those SMPS with cheap power filter, it turns out that it became worse. So I removed them. For example, I plug my fridge (in the kitchen)  to a power filter, but after comparing, I removed them.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on December 10, 2015, 13:19
The smps is powering the routers and switches which is why I mentioned that. And yes I am aware most routers and switches implement optical isolation so it should cut out the noise but cat6 cables have grounded shield and noise could come from there.

They use mini transformers (for example HN1664CG) to reduce (not remove) one mode of noises. I can't remember it's common or differential mode.

One can try grounding the cat6 cable too. The sound changes as well. It's changes but whether it's an improvement is subjective. If one goes further and use an aluminum foil and wrapped that metal Ethernet plug, then ground that foil, the sound changes. Even more interesting is the point that the grounding wire is attached to the foil will change the sound. I think Naimster brought up a good point about noise from ground shield)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on December 10, 2015, 13:24
Yes that's right. I decided to take the plunge and went all the way. That aside, the NDS is really an animal - beauty and the beast all built into one product. Throw whatever music you want at it and it will play it out with ease. Even genres that you never thought will make sense such as children's nursury rhymes (yes I do play music for my kids once in a while :P) or electronics music. It just grabs the music by it's b****, squeezes it and throws it out!

Nice! Would love to listen to your setup but on 2nd thought I should not open myself to temptation..
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on December 10, 2015, 13:36
Guys, isn't this noise reduction thingy a losing battle in our congested living environment?
SMPS at home and at the neighbours. Wireless all over the building and someone next door may be using ethernet over powerline.. This could leak to our power, no?
It looks like all audio and video equipments plugged into a conditioner will be best option, ignoring the mess outside the conditioner. Unfortunately, I have not heard an good conditioner yet and Naim don't play well with one.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on December 10, 2015, 13:56
Guys, isn't this noise reduction thingy a losing battle in our congested living environment?
SMPS at home and at the neighbours. Wireless all over the building and someone next door may be using ethernet over powerline.. This could leak to our power, no?
It looks like all audio and video equipments plugged into a conditioner will be best option, ignoring the mess outside the conditioner. Unfortunately, I have not heard an good conditioner yet and Naim don't play well with one.

Yes. It's a losing battle, but we try our best. That's why some shifu and guru here suggest using purepower. In the beginning I don't understand why they suggest that, but now I start to understand a little.

Good conditioner? For Naim, maybe can try the Shunyata Typhoon. But must use on an extremely high quality power distributor with no other filtering. The quality of the distributor will affect its effect. Not tried it on Naim but I seriously doubt it will do anything funny to Naim sound.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on December 10, 2015, 14:00
They use mini transformers (for example HN1664CG) to reduce (not remove) one mode of noises. I can't remember it's common or differential mode.

One can try grounding the cat6 cable too. The sound changes as well. It's changes but whether it's an improvement is subjective. If one goes further and use an aluminum foil and wrapped that metal Ethernet plug, then ground that foil, the sound changes. Even more interesting is the point that the grounding wire is attached to the foil will change the sound. I think Naimster brought up a good point about noise from ground shield)

Oops...you're right. My mistake here. They use transformers to decouple the signals. So, transformers do not remove the noises but just block dc from coming through. So noise still get through.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on December 10, 2015, 14:09
Oops...you're right. My mistake here. They use transformers to decouple the signals. So, transformers do not remove the noises but just block dc from coming through. So noise still get through.

You mentioned an extremely good point. Suddenly I remember the experiment I did 1-2 years ago. I was scratching my head on the reason, your reasoning make sense.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on December 10, 2015, 14:09
Though I have not try it but I still think its worthwhile to look into not having the cheap SMPS powering the routers and switches spewing noises into the hifi system via the ethernet cables, especially given its close proximity and its part of the hifi chain in a streamer system.
Even if you have a conditioner, you cannot address the noise from router and switches SMPS since its part of the hifi chain. Conditioner can only address noise that's not part of the hifi chain.

Guys, isn't this noise reduction thingy a losing battle in our congested living environment?
SMPS at home and at the neighbours. Wireless all over the building and someone next door may be using ethernet over powerline.. This could leak to our power, no?
It looks like all audio and video equipments plugged into a conditioner will be best option, ignoring the mess outside the conditioner. Unfortunately, I have not heard an good conditioner yet and Naim don't play well with one.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on December 10, 2015, 14:16
You mentioned an extremely good point. Suddenly I remember the experiment I did 1-2 years ago. I was scratching my head on the reason, your reasoning make sense.
Yeap. In my China brand streamer, one of the mods made was not to have transformer in there since most router/switches have that so it is already sufficiently protected to not have damage due to DC leakage.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on December 10, 2015, 18:11
Any Ovator owner here?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on December 10, 2015, 19:02
Any Ovator owner here?
ScoobyDoo
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on December 10, 2015, 20:21
ScoobyDoo

The Ovator is a very stylish looking speaker. Especially the white version.

(http://www.cinepremiumshop.com/2100-thickbox_square_zen/naim-ovator-s400-passive.jpg)

(https://www.audiotrends.com.au/sldigital/shop/images/gallery_2865.jpg)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Tiktokape on December 10, 2015, 20:25

The Ovator is a very stylish looking speaker. Especially the white version.

(http://www.cinepremiumshop.com/2100-thickbox_square_zen/naim-ovator-s400-passive.jpg)

the glossy white


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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on December 10, 2015, 20:34
beautiful.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on December 10, 2015, 20:35
Yah. Very Sui!  :)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on December 10, 2015, 20:37
I'm considering the S-400
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: mrtan on December 10, 2015, 20:42
I'm considering the S-400

How about Sopra2? White color also beri Sui.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on December 10, 2015, 20:47
If tio 4D (buy 8080), buy this one:

(http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j45/john_nobbs/Titan%20808-2.jpg)

(http://api.ning.com/files/U4nVIpmxyNNuW4t0ZVvmeO*o8PFEAj9GWLSfWzXcaXIGOc7m*f2sMwqmollr81qwza0UKA7CgU-5Yv2UTy-zYkFH-mucoWVI/P1080181.JPG?width=750)

(http://images.cdn.whathifi.com/sites/whathifi.com/files/styles/big-image/public/brands/news/BristolShow2015/titan-808-press.jpg?itok=iKnrPiMu)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on December 10, 2015, 20:47
Yes sopra 2 also very sui. But I think its too rich for me
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on December 10, 2015, 21:12
Enjoying these on Tidal now.

Sax
(https://abitofpopmusic.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/fleur-east-love-sax-and-flashbacks.jpeg)

Leaving You
(https://pp.vk.me/c543108/v543108454/10e24/zbf8F7wyjlE.jpg)

Wonderful life
(http://images.shazam.com/coverart/t157480435-i1031528211_s400.jpg)

Friend Zone
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/LcyEQJ08fd0/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: mrtan on December 10, 2015, 21:51
Been listening to more rock music on my 272 than my previous NDX/SN2 setup. Strange  ??? Lol!!
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: scoobydoo on December 11, 2015, 07:04
A more capable preamp will resolve rock music better.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on December 11, 2015, 07:50
a more capable pre amp + a power amp that can control your speakers!
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on December 11, 2015, 07:51
scoobydoo,

How's the ovator?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: scoobydoo on December 11, 2015, 09:39
IMHO, the S400 is a very pleasant pair of speakers. Nothing fantastic about it, but everything is very well balanced. I now have it in a small and rather irregular room but the great thing is that it doesnt boom.

I love the SBL. However, the S400 looks much nicer and does everything better except that I still miss how SBL does bass. But to be fair, no other speakers I have heard (except maybe DBL) does bass like SBL.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: engjoo on December 11, 2015, 09:48
Been listening to more rock music on my 272 than my previous NDX/SN2 setup. Strange  ??? Lol!!

Interesting. How would you describe the move from NDX/SN2 to 272/250DR ?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on December 11, 2015, 09:51
IMHO, the S400 is a very pleasant pair of speakers. Nothing fantastic about it, but everything is very well balanced. I now have it in a small and rather irregular room but the great thing is that it doesnt boom.

I love the SBL. However, the S400 looks much nicer and does everything better except that I still miss how SBL does bass. But to be fair, no other speakers I have heard (except maybe DBL) does bass like SBL.


Great! I heard it takes forever to run in...
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: scoobydoo on December 11, 2015, 11:15
I only just found out last night that all along I have been using the synology's media server to transcode my flac files to wav, instead of the minimserver. I setup it up wrong all this while wo realising it
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: xerox on December 11, 2015, 12:00
Wow seems like a few bros have gotten the 250DR, i had grabbed it when it reach our shore. Best upgrade so far IMO over my NAP200, btw there is a free upgrade for NDAC/DAC-V1 as well, it is a firmware. I had flash the firmware for my NDAC and had been very please, it had somehow transform the NDAC. Amazing.  :)

https://www.naimaudio.com/news/21751/dsd-playback-now-available-naim-dacs
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: scoobydoo on December 11, 2015, 12:13
Great! I heard it takes forever to run in...

What system do u have now?

U can come to listen to my s400 if u r interested to hear how it sounds like in a home environment. Just PM me.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: xerox on December 11, 2015, 12:21
What system do u have now?

U can come to listen to my s400 if u r interested to hear how it sounds like in a home environment. Just PM me.

I have no opportunity to listen to the Ovator too when i was shopping for speaker a while ago. It seems AS are more keen in selling other speaker than Ovator.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: scoobydoo on December 11, 2015, 12:26
All r welcome...  ;)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: scoobydoo on December 11, 2015, 12:31
AS was pushing the ovator many years back when they were first launched. Now it seems they are more focused on the Focal speakers.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: xerox on December 11, 2015, 12:33
AS was pushing the ovator many years back when they were first launched. Now it seems they are more focused on the Focal speakers.

Really? hmmm maybe i miss the boat to audit it and ended with a pair of Penaudio. But i have to said i am impressed with the pair of Sopra 2 when i audit the 250DR.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: scoobydoo on December 11, 2015, 12:37
Back then, I even managed to get a home trial.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: xerox on December 11, 2015, 12:42
Back then, I even managed to get a home trial.

Haha then i had really miss the boat then.... too bad. But i am please with my speaker so far. :)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: mrtan on December 11, 2015, 22:47
Interesting. How would you describe the move from NDX/SN2 to 272/250DR ?

Better in every ways with the 250DR but to be fair I've not had dsd firmware on my NDX at that point of time. One thing for sure 250.2 and the DR version can control my speaker better.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kmchow98 on December 12, 2015, 07:09
Interesting. How would you describe the move from NDX/SN2 to 272/250DR ?

Hey Engjoo, if starting from fresh, I would pick the 272/250dr combo. Its a simpler and more optimized all in one system to me. Less power cables and less interconnects. It has the capability to drive tougher speakers.

I wanted to jump for it but didn't because my speakers aren't difficult to drive at all. During my audition, I thought I heard a little more details uncovered by the 272/250 combo.

I ended up with an SN2 and my good old nDAC. The latest FW upgrade for the nDAC really boosted its performance.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on December 12, 2015, 07:25
Hey Engjoo, if starting from fresh, I would pick the 272/250dr combo. Its a simpler and more optimized all in one system to me. Less power cables and less interconnects. It has the capability to drive tougher speakers.

I wanted to jump for it but didn't because my speakers aren't difficult to drive at all. During my audition, I thought I heard a little more details uncovered by the 272/250 combo.

I ended up with an SN2 and my good old nDAC. The latest FW upgrade for the nDAC really boosted its performance.


Kmchow98,
You use a computer as source or CD transport?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kmchow98 on December 12, 2015, 07:34
I use the squeezebox touch as my source. Lossless music files..

I'm aware that there are many new streaming source available, but I am very happy with my current one.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: engjoo on December 12, 2015, 07:48
Hey Engjoo, if starting from fresh, I would pick the 272/250dr combo. Its a simpler and more optimized all in one system to me. Less power cables and less interconnects. It has the capability to drive tougher speakers.

I wanted to jump for it but didn't because my speakers aren't difficult to drive at all. During my audition, I thought I heard a little more details uncovered by the 272/250 combo.

I ended up with an SN2 and my good old nDAC. The latest FW upgrade for the nDAC really boosted its performance.


Yes I agree that the 272/250DR looks like a better bet if starting from fresh. Having the NDX/SN2 to me at least offers (on paper) the flexibility to try other sources or amp outside Naim. In my case, the NDX was my first Naim and it had initially used it with another amp before getting the SN2.

I am now contemplating "whats next" for my NDX/SN2. The obvious option being to consider and XPS or HCDR to add to the box count but the 272/250DR looks like a good partner for each other with its updated streamer circuitry and volume control.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kmchow98 on December 12, 2015, 08:15
I think upgrading your source with an XPS is a better path. But XPSdr is not cheap.
I don't see a point in side grading to the 272/250dr.

If you don't mind a cheaper teddyXPS, I can ask a friend to let it to at a good price. He upgraded to the 555PS, so his teddyXPS is lying in a cupboard somewhere.

555PS is very expensive. Almost can buy the 272/250dr with it.

For me, XPS/nDAC + SN2/hicapDR is end game for me. The money goes to more music. The next I might do is break into my friends house to steal his 555PS.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on December 12, 2015, 09:53
My "planned" end game will be to add an NDX/XPS +SN2/hicapDR/250DR. :)
Long way to go...
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on December 12, 2015, 09:58
My "planned" end game will be to add an NDX/XPS +SN2/hicapDR/250DR. :)
Long way to go...

Why not NAC 252 with 250DR?
Title: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on December 12, 2015, 10:00
My "planned" end game will be to add an NDX/XPS +SN2/hicapDR/250DR. :)
Long way to go...
Doesn't make sense to keep SN2 ... When time is right Let it go and get a used Naim preamp is a better choice. A dedicated preamp is better than a SN as a preamp IMHO
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on December 12, 2015, 10:08
Doesn't make sense to keep SN2 ... When time is right Let it go and get a used Naim preamp is a better choice. A dedicated preamp is better than a SN as a preamp IMHO

Thanks will take this into consideration. I like the SN2 and think with the DRed preamp section, it should be a good pre amp.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kmchow98 on December 12, 2015, 10:40
Naimster is right.

Once you add in 250dr, the SN2 power section is redundant. And as a preamp, a 282 is minimal if you want to get a meaningful upgrade with your cash.
So you really need to plan your path. Beware that if you go pre power, you significantly increase the number of boxes.
This is why the 272/250 is so attractive. At most you add an XPSdr for a complete audio system.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: mrtan on December 12, 2015, 10:50
Engjoo get the XPS and wait for 372 or 572. It's definitely going to be powered by external PSU. I did the change because I didn't like RS232 port on NDX for updating of firmware and my hiline was away for "servicing". Bite the bullet took home the demo 272 + 250.2 didn't expect much from it. After playing for two hours my wife came home. She said "got difference" if you never heard this setup you cannot tell the previous setup's "weakness". She can even tell me your system is not run in yet during the change from ex demo to new ones (one after another) lol.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: xerox on December 12, 2015, 11:23
Hey Engjoo, if starting from fresh, I would pick the 272/250dr combo. Its a simpler and more optimized all in one system to me. Less power cables and less interconnects. It has the capability to drive tougher speakers.

I wanted to jump for it but didn't because my speakers aren't difficult to drive at all. During my audition, I thought I heard a little more details uncovered by the 272/250 combo.

I ended up with an SN2 and my good old nDAC. The latest FW upgrade for the nDAC really boosted its performance.


I feel the 272 is a combination of 202+ND5XS and it is really a vfm all in one pre-amp. At one point of time i had the intention to swap my 282 with 272. But after A/B both of them at home thanks to a close friend that loan me his 272, the 282 beats 272 on the sound stage and depth. This is the same observation when i upgraded from 202 few years back. So it all lies down on what exactly is your expectation.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: sudo on December 12, 2015, 11:44
There is so much line up in Naim nowadays and its rather confusing. I am having SN1 is thinking of whether getting a 272 or 282. But a used 282 with hicap is very attractive so i am in a dilemma.  ???
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: engjoo on December 12, 2015, 12:20
Engjoo get the XPS and wait for 372 or 572. It's definitely going to be powered by external PSU. I did the change because I didn't like RS232 port on NDX for updating of firmware and my hiline was away for "servicing". Bite the bullet took home the demo 272 + 250.2 didn't expect much from it. After playing for two hours my wife came home. She said "got difference" if you never heard this setup you cannot tell the previous setup's "weakness". She can even tell me your system is not run in yet during the change from ex demo to new ones (one after another) lol.

Wah... you all dam poison leh. I am inclined to go first for an XPS. Then at least the XPS can be used for a future/mythical "372 or 572" (or even should I decide on an NDS or 272 down the road).

What I do not like about Naim's preamp (from 282 onwards) is the need for a NAPSC which aesthetically is an eye sore due to its size/form factor. 
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on December 12, 2015, 12:27
Do you guys recommend upgrading nac 202 to nac 282 in a small listening area? My listening area is 2 m x 3 m I.el my bed room


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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: mrtan on December 12, 2015, 12:45
It all depends on what you want. Technically more box = better sound and the sky is the limit. Endless....
For me, visual is very important hence I like it neat and tidy. Matched with a pair of sexy speaker good for the eyes and ears. A talking point when guest visit and doesnt sound broken.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on December 12, 2015, 13:03
Wah... you all dam poison leh. I am inclined to go first for an XPS. Then at least the XPS can be used for a future/mythical "372 or 572" (or even should I decide on an NDS or 272 down the road).

What I do not like about Naim's preamp (from 282 onwards) is the need for a NAPSC which aesthetically is an eye sore due to its size/form factor. 

Put Napsc on the floor. It seems to help.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: xerox on December 12, 2015, 21:43
Place the NAPSC as far from the pre amp possible but do not leave it on the floor and yes it affect the sound also.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: scoobydoo on December 13, 2015, 10:42
The 252 and the 552 does not require a napsc. Not sure about the *7* (i.e. 272) series though.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: xerox on December 13, 2015, 18:09
The 252 and the 552 does not require a napsc. Not sure about the *7* (i.e. 272) series though.

I think only 202 and 282 use NAPSC.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on December 13, 2015, 19:22
My "planned" end game will be to add an NDX/XPS +SN2/hicapDR/250DR. :)
Long way to go...

Bro can try something? Does ndx support ntfs format?


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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on December 13, 2015, 19:56
Bro can try something? Does ndx support ntfs format?


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Bro, do you mean the USB port? The USB port only support FAT/FAT32. And USB sticks are recommended over HDD.
Extracted from the manual:

USB memory hardware must be in Windows/DOS format
(FAT/FAT32) to be used with the NDX/5XS. Macintosh
formats are not compatible.

Is there a reason why you would want NTFS? Music files are usually smaller than 4GB per file.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on December 13, 2015, 20:13
Bro, do you mean the USB port? The USB port only support FAT/FAT32. And USB sticks are recommended over HDD.
Extracted from the manual:

USB memory hardware must be in Windows/DOS format
(FAT/FAT32) to be used with the NDX/5XS. Macintosh
formats are not compatible.

Is there a reason why you would want NTFS? Music files are usually smaller than 4GB per file.

Dsd files :)


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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on December 13, 2015, 21:18
Dsd files won't be larger than 4gb per file so it's a go for you :)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on December 15, 2015, 15:43
Well, i had a bad dream last night that i accidentally trade the ndx for a cd player. I cannot find the network feature on the cd player and regretted it!! :(
If I accidentally traded for a nds, it will be a sweet dream instead..
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: alvin1118 on December 15, 2015, 15:59
don't let your soul partner know you dream of hifi. u will kenal condemn !
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on December 15, 2015, 16:20
lol
don't let your soul partner know you dream of hifi. u will kenal condemn !

Wise words..
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on December 15, 2015, 23:34
don't let your soul partner know you dream of hifi. u will kenal condemn !

Dream hifi better than dream of another woman ;)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on December 16, 2015, 20:34
POISON >>>> Someone selling a 3 month 555PS-DR at Echoloft. Local set. FYI.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on December 16, 2015, 23:30
POISON >>>> Someone selling a 3 month 555PS-DR at Echoloft. Local set. FYI.

Poison Poison... Who here is buying?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: engjoo on December 19, 2015, 15:22
Poison Poison... Who here is buying?

Buy buy buy, can use for NDX, NDS, 272 etc... Wu hua.....
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on December 23, 2015, 22:47
ok, swapped the belden power cord to naim standard power cord as suggested by kmchow98.
That make such a big difference to the sound. I'm not sure if it's the ndx burned in, the cord or both but it's sounding really good past 2 days.
Played Sade Soldier of Love and the low frequency control is tight,fast and deep. Very "hiong".
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5e/Sade_-_Soldier_of_Love_(album).png)

moving on to Woong san slow vocal.
She is stepping out of the speakers. Forward but not harsh. Very nice
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQqkFg9E9Vb6KZZHkbDFerrUCT0uhLPPDld8esOYKTZ_pNCr9-LCA)

Now i can imagine bros here with better naim are really enjoying themselves :)
Ok, so a 252/250DR is good value?  ;D

Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: mrtan on December 24, 2015, 21:03
You want bass "hiong" go try ar lunar equilateral your jaw will drop.

ok, swapped the belden power cord to naim standard power cord as suggested by kmchow98.
That make such a big difference to the sound. I'm not sure if it's the ndx burned in, the cord or both but it's sounding really good past 2 days.
Played Sade Soldier of Love and the low frequency control is tight,fast and deep. Very "hiong".
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5e/Sade_-_Soldier_of_Love_(album).png)

moving on to Woong san slow vocal.
She is stepping out of the speakers. Forward but not harsh. Very nice
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQqkFg9E9Vb6KZZHkbDFerrUCT0uhLPPDld8esOYKTZ_pNCr9-LCA)

Now i can imagine bros here with better naim are really enjoying themselves :)
Ok, so a 252/250DR is good value?  ;D


Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on December 24, 2015, 21:37
Beldens power cord are mostly shielded and that affects the capacitance of the cable and creates a "slow down" effect. All my power cords are stock naim except the plugs.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on December 24, 2015, 21:58
Beldens power cord are mostly shielded and that affects the capacitance of the cable and creates a "slow down" effect. All my power cords are stock naim except the plugs.

Yes, that is a logical explanation. Even the Naim powerline is not shielded.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on December 24, 2015, 22:43
You want bass "hiong" go try ar lunar equilateral your jaw will drop.


445pound/meter. This or the HiLine?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: joeling on December 24, 2015, 22:57
Which has a better DAC section ?

Naim NDS or Naim nDAC ?

Can the NDS digital input take DSD ?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: xerox on December 24, 2015, 23:11
Which has a better DAC section ?

Naim NDS or Naim nDAC ?

Can the NDS digital input take DSD ?

Both DAC used Burr Brown 1704K chip but in term of sound quality the NDS should beat the NDAC as it accept dual burndy as opposed to NDAC single burndy. Personally i dont think it is a fair comparison between this two.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kmchow98 on December 25, 2015, 06:54
Both DAC used Burr Brown 1704K chip but in term of sound quality the NDS should beat the NDAC as it accept dual burndy as opposed to NDAC single burndy. Personally i dont think it is a fair comparison between this two.

With the latest firmware update to the Naim DAC, it's performance is really much better than before. The NDS is really expensive and is a no holds barred source from Naim. Never did any serious demo with it, but I expect it to be the best Naim can offer. I think the nDac is second best... at least for me.  In any case, the 8 digital inputs is quite important to me. (TV, PS, Streamer, Bluray, acryan etc)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: mrtan on December 25, 2015, 20:53
445pound/meter. This or the HiLine?

IMHO hiline is more organic sounding while AR is like pushing the hi and lows to the extreme. Which may cause fatigue during long listening session.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on December 26, 2015, 00:14
When I was using naim, I tried both Hiline and AR Lunar. During that time, I chose the AR Lunar as it is more durable. I always feel stressed when using Hiline in a tight space. Based on just sound qualities alone, I would chose the Hiline as I agree with mrtan observation. But I had also tried the Chord Super Aray (but not in a Naim system), and I think they are seriously worth investigating. Among the three cables, I will easily choose the Chord Super Aray. I think the Super Aray is a big leap forward from the rest of the two.

However, I think it might be better to reach nds/252/250 before considering cable upgrades. It is only at that point and beyond, cable upgrade may makes more sense as the next equipment upgrade is considerably more expensive.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: heuer on December 26, 2015, 10:58
When I was using naim, I tried both Hiline and AR Lunar. During that time, I chose the AR Lunar as it is more durable. I always feel stressed when using Hiline in a tight space. Based on just sound qualities alone, I would chose the Hiline as I agree with mrtan observation. But I had also tried the Chord Super Aray (but not in a Naim system), and I think they are seriously worth investigating. Among the three cables, I will easily choose the Chord Super Aray. I think the Super Aray is a big leap forward from the rest of the two.

However, I think it might be better to reach nds/252/250 before considering cable upgrades. It is only at that point and beyond, cable upgrade may makes more sense as the next equipment upgrade is considerably more expensive.

Haha seriously for the price that i pay for the HiLine, the construction is really damn crappy. Mine always break until one fine day i dump it into the bin eventually i ended with some custom silver DIN that is way cheaper and better. Naim nowadays IMO is getting damn overprice and one would get more value by getting used Naim, the used market in HK is very active as compared to SG.

Also i try the Super Lumina cable and guess what? Another overhype and expensive cable as oppose to the Chord i had earlier...... dont believe go and home trial. Have Fun!
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on December 26, 2015, 11:10
That bad huh? I have not used a hiline before but why do a interconnect that is plugged in keep breaking?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on December 26, 2015, 11:57
Ok, read up a little and its the inserting and weight that is breaking it apart.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on December 26, 2015, 17:52
Getting closer to my ndx. Finally getting the contractors to lay cat 6 through out the house :) damn sick of wireless


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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: 42.2 on December 26, 2015, 18:14
Also i try the Super Lumina cable and guess what? Another overhype and expensive cable as oppose to the Chord i had earlier...... dont believe go and home trial. Have Fun!

Not a Naim user but do enjoy Naim equipments. Not knowing the cost of Super Lumina, if you're not impressed, try Studio Connections Platinum.  Naim compliant they are.  Similarly, you can try their interconnect, they do terminate in DIN.  Talk to Modular Audio, I'm not affiliated to them, but am impressed by Studio Connections Platinum cables.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: AndrewC on December 28, 2015, 18:14
Naim’s CES’16 Preview;
Quote
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Join us in suite 30-233 to experience the next step in our journey to bring the Naim sound into any space in your home; sound that takes you right to the heart of the music.

http://www.youtube.com/v/2red1qUc468&fs=1
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: scoobydoo on January 04, 2016, 08:52
Yes, the hiline keeps breaking. However, I always get mine sent back to Naim UK via absound to be fixed FOC. The downside is the downtime, which usually is about 3 to 4 weeks.

Have since traded in the hiline for the SL.. And the latter's construction is much better.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on January 04, 2016, 09:39
Hi line cannot be fixed locally?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: scoobydoo on January 04, 2016, 09:58
Afaik, nope. It cannot be fixed locally.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on January 28, 2016, 09:28
hi users of naim ndx. is naim able to play APE file?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: ZRXS on January 28, 2016, 11:17
hi users of naim ndx. is naim able to play APE file?

havent tried but i dont think you can bro
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on January 28, 2016, 11:26
Thanks bro maybe I go naim abs to tekan the set lol

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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: engjoo on January 28, 2016, 16:40
havent tried but i dont think you can bro

APE files cannot. You can however easily convert APE to FLAC using softwares like dbpoweramp.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on January 29, 2016, 06:13
APE files cannot. You can however easily convert APE to FLAC using softwares like dbpoweramp.

Thanks bro. Yah think that is the only way out if I want to purchase the NDX. Alternatively is to continue using Oppo BDP 103D/Mytek as a streamer...
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on January 29, 2016, 06:13
Ape seems like a super exotic format.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: engjoo on January 29, 2016, 10:36
Ape seems like a super exotic format.

It is a non issue to me as conversion is a breeze. It is lossless anyway so moving from wav to flac to ape will not change anything with the content fundamentally.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on January 29, 2016, 14:31
It is a non issue to me as conversion is a breeze. It is lossless anyway so moving from wav to flac to ape will not change anything with the content fundamentally.

Haha ok decided to bite the bullet and buy a NDX today. Hope not disappointed. Slowly wait for shipment to come.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: engjoo on January 29, 2016, 14:41
Haha ok decided to bite the bullet and buy a NDX today. Hope not disappointed. Slowly wait for shipment to come.

You will like it. It is a good streamer, more so the latest version which should have bluetooth. (not that you need it anyway).
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: ZRXS on January 29, 2016, 15:06
Haha ok decided to bite the bullet and buy a NDX today. Hope not disappointed. Slowly wait for shipment to come.

you wont be

its good stuff :)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: scoobydoo on January 29, 2016, 15:11
Haha ok decided to bite the bullet and buy a NDX today. Hope not disappointed. Slowly wait for shipment to come.

Someone is selling a used unit...

PS: I am not the seller and doesnt know the seller.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on January 29, 2016, 15:13
Someone is selling a used unit...

PS: I am not the seller and doesnt know the seller.

Thanks Scoobydoo. But I got a new one from abs today.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on January 30, 2016, 09:51
Congrats. Run in time!
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on January 30, 2016, 10:04
Congrats. Run in time!

haha got to wait for it to come from UK first :p
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on January 30, 2016, 12:37
Oh its not with you yet? Still got chance to go nds? Lol, bad joke I know...
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: ZRXS on January 30, 2016, 12:47
Oh its not with you yet? Still got chance to go nds? Lol, bad joke I know...

oh that's so evil of you

lol
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: engjoo on January 30, 2016, 13:09
haha got to wait for it to come from UK first :p

Should also order an XPS to come along with the same shipment!!!

Or perhaps should just get the 555PS so that the move to NDS later will be relatively painless!
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on January 30, 2016, 13:32
Haha u strike toto then say

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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on January 30, 2016, 13:32
I strike toto I mean lol

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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Davemusic on February 01, 2016, 17:31
I am thinking of acquiring power supply for Naim CDX CD player, not the CDX2. I come across TeddyXPS: http://www.teddypardo.com/power supplies/teddyxps.html at 833 pounds
and also CHC XPS: http://www.custom-hifi-cables.co.uk/home/power-supplies/chc-xps at 1200 pounds

I tried CDX with Naim XPS, it sounds very good. However XPS are hard to find unless buy new XPS DR at about 5 to 6k!

Keen to hear any bro with hand on experience with Teddy XPS or CHC XPS
COuld share your experience?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: engjoo on February 01, 2016, 20:06
Beldens power cord are mostly shielded and that affects the capacitance of the cable and creates a "slow down" effect. All my power cords are stock naim except the plugs.
Yes, that is a logical explanation. Even the Naim powerline is not shielded.

I recently installed Belden power cords for my ndx/sn2 and thought they were good. Music were more fluid and coherent. The subject of the shield is an interesting one that I would like to understand more but as I diy my cables using MK tough plugs and the IEC connectors but I did not ground the shield on either end so this could explain why I find the Belden cable to be subjectively better.

I say subjectively because I wasn't able to do a direct A/B with the cables and in all honesty, it really wasn't a day and night difference.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on February 01, 2016, 20:48
Well you can always ground it and listen for yourself
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on February 01, 2016, 22:05
The best thing is to try things out.

Another thing to do is to tighten the MK screws by different torque values and clean every metal parts with alcohol.

Belden power cable is generally okay but it sound rather blur and lack of refinement. I wrote a comparison of Belden power cable with another power cable about 3-4 months back to some of my friends. I can whatsapp you that comparison if you want.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on February 01, 2016, 22:16
I am thinking of acquiring power supply for Naim CDX CD player, not the CDX2. I come across TeddyXPS: http://www.teddypardo.com/power supplies/teddyxps.html at 833 pounds
and also CHC XPS: http://www.custom-hifi-cables.co.uk/home/power-supplies/chc-xps at 1200 pounds

I tried CDX with Naim XPS, it sounds very good. However XPS are hard to find unless buy new XPS DR at about 5 to 6k!

Keen to hear any bro with hand on experience with Teddy XPS or CHC XPS
COuld share your experience?

http://www.pinkfishmedia.net/forum/showthread.php?t=115793 (http://www.pinkfishmedia.net/forum/showthread.php?t=115793)
http://www.centralaudio.co.uk/index.php?page=stock (http://www.centralaudio.co.uk/index.php?page=stock)

Remember to get the VAT rebate.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on February 01, 2016, 22:32

I am thinking of acquiring power supply for Naim CDX CD player, not the CDX2. I come across TeddyXPS: http://www.teddypardo.com/power supplies/teddyxps.html at 833 pounds
and also CHC XPS: http://www.custom-hifi-cables.co.uk/home/power-supplies/chc-xps at 1200 pounds

I tried CDX with Naim XPS, it sounds very good. However XPS are hard to find unless buy new XPS DR at about 5 to 6k!

Keen to hear any bro with hand on experience with Teddy XPS or CHC XPS
COuld share your experience?

Whether or not Teddy will work for you depends on whether you're a big soundstage fan. Teddy with a smaller reservoir caps tend to sound smaller compared to Naim XPS. Not sure about CHC though.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: engjoo on February 02, 2016, 10:56
Well you can always ground it and listen for yourself

I will try it another day if I get enough motivation. The belden cables are a pain to handle. :-)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Davemusic on February 02, 2016, 17:23
Thanks! I prefer big sound stage and I guess CHC though more ex uses mundorf caps
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: AndrewC on February 03, 2016, 05:52
Not a bad look & features... wonder if it sounds good.

http://www.youtube.com/v/SyFOY2nkHUc&fs=1
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Davemusic on February 04, 2016, 00:31
Hi Bro Insek_88, for used items usually there is no VAT in the price
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on February 04, 2016, 09:57
Hi Bro Insek_88, for used items usually there is no VAT in the price

Just try asking the dealer, no harm asking. I got VAT rebate for used items in the past.

Some of the dealers can even hunt stuff for you if they do not have the item that you want.

Good thing about Naim stuff is that they are highly reliable and they rarely breakdown. The only servicing I ever experienced is the cd transport of the CDX but that is a really long time back.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Davemusic on February 05, 2016, 00:31
Yes Naim is extremely reliable and excellent customer service in Salibury when Sheila was still around. I was very impressed last week when I found out they can still offer recap for 1998 CDX (of course no more transport)
Exception is their CD player for me.... I did not have much luck, Change transport 3 times in 12 years.


Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Davemusic on February 05, 2016, 00:35
Just spoke to Sean of CHC, he now offers CHC 555ps! At 1950 pounds it is a big discount vs original however not sure of performance as yet. Mundorf cap version for additional 290 pounds.
He told me he has a customer from SG already!
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: engjoo on February 05, 2016, 10:45
Wah. the CHC Power Supplies (I was thinking initially that now City Harvest Church has a new outreach program for the audiophile community !) looks interesting!
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on February 06, 2016, 17:14
Haha for the moment I thought chc was Singapore chc.

Anyway any of you guys upgraded from nap 200 to nap 250. Any noticeable difference?


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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: ZRXS on February 24, 2016, 17:31
they are having the naim muso QB launch event on the 2nd march 2016 at the naim shop

looks like a cool little gadget

(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0980/2650/products/web-RS2518_Mu-so_QB_1_grande.jpg?v=1456215508)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on February 25, 2016, 21:51
Finally ndx is here. I am a happy man :)


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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: scoobydoo on February 28, 2016, 12:27
Haha for the moment I thought chc was Singapore chc.

Anyway any of you guys upgraded from nap 200 to nap 250. Any noticeable difference?


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I did but that was a long time ago, almost 10 years ago. Usually every single upgrade brings about some improvement and not just difference in presentation. Are you able to get home trial of 250 from absound?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: scoobydoo on February 28, 2016, 12:36
Finally ndx is here. I am a happy man :)


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Any plans to put a power supply to it? ;)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on February 28, 2016, 12:37
I got it actually. The nap 200 was not sufficient to drive my dynaudio focus 160. The nap 250 really makes it sing :)

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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on February 28, 2016, 12:39
Any plans to put a power supply to it? ;)
Hahaha don't like that leh. Upgrades need $$$ and timebut I am tempteda... Either I get supercap first or xps but dunno which one first
I did but that was a long time ago, almost 10 years ago. Usually every single upgrade brings about some improvement and not just difference in presentation. Are you able to get home trial of 250 from absound?


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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: scoobydoo on February 28, 2016, 12:42
demogoblin, I may have missed it. what is your sistem?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on February 28, 2016, 14:08
demogoblin, I may have missed it. what is your sistem?

nac 282 with hi cap DR, nap 250 dr, naim ndx and speakers dynaudio focus 160
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on February 29, 2016, 06:30
nac 282 with hi cap DR, nap 250 dr, naim ndx and speakers dynaudio focus 160

Very nice setup...
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on February 29, 2016, 06:41
Thanks bro. Getting your xps already?

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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on February 29, 2016, 06:49
Still saving up, very tempted bro.. An xps + hicap will complete my system until supernait 3 or the new ndac is here.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: mrtan on February 29, 2016, 10:58
Still saving up, very tempted bro.. An xps + hicap will complete my system until supernait 3 or the new ndac is here.

Why dont you go for Pre-power route then waiting for SN3?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: engjoo on February 29, 2016, 11:02
Why dont you go for Pre-power route then waiting for SN3?

Haha.. now the pre/power camp is speaking. I think the draw of a setup with good power amp cannot be denied because a good power amp do makes a diff in how they drive speakers.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on February 29, 2016, 17:54
Haha.. now the pre/power camp is speaking. I think the draw of a setup with good power amp cannot be denied because a good power amp do makes a diff in how they drive speakers.

Agreed....good amps make speakers sing properly


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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on February 29, 2016, 17:55
Still saving up, very tempted bro.. An xps + hicap will complete my system until supernait 3 or the new ndac is here.

Don't get hi cap get super cap :p


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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on February 29, 2016, 18:47
Indeed, since we are at it 555ps will bring up the ndx nicely. Its also getting ready to move to the nds..
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: mrtan on February 29, 2016, 22:00
Haha.. now the pre/power camp is speaking. I think the draw of a setup with good power amp cannot be denied because a good power amp do makes a diff in how they drive speakers.

I feels that their Pre/power are more powerful than their integrated even they are rated at same wattage. I've tried 122X/150x vs 5i and SN2 vs 250DR. If Kaydee doesn't mind to add more boxes, Pre/power should look attractive or maybe Karan integrated?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on March 01, 2016, 08:27
I feels that their Pre/power are more powerful than their integrated even they are rated at same wattage. I've tried 122X/150x vs 5i and SN2 vs 250DR. If Kaydee doesn't mind to add more boxes, Pre/power should look attractive or maybe Karan integrated?

Not too sure he may not be used to the sound. Any users ever had both Supernait 2 and Nac 202/Nap 200? The Nac 202/Nap 200 sounds a little less refined but presentation is quite sweet. Cannot comment on Supernait 2 as I have not heard it before.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on March 01, 2016, 08:43
I have posted my impression here...

http://forums.naimaudio.com/topic/today-i-compared-the-ndx-sn2-272-250dr-and-ndx-282-hcapdr-snapsc-250dr?reply=51970829728257476#51970829728257476
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on March 01, 2016, 08:45
I have posted my impression here...

http://forums.naimaudio.com/topic/today-i-compared-the-ndx-sn2-272-250dr-and-ndx-282-hcapdr-snapsc-250dr?reply=51970829728257476#51970829728257476

You are using Sopra?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on March 02, 2016, 15:04
You are using Sopra?

No, using harbeth shl5
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on March 02, 2016, 17:29
No, using harbeth shl5

Nice!
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on March 19, 2016, 23:02
Bros, does Naim have good analog tuners?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on March 21, 2016, 07:56
You can check out the nat05 xs.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on March 21, 2016, 12:19
You can check out the nat05 xs.

Yah but must A/B first.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: engjoo on March 21, 2016, 14:34
I have always enjoyed listening to radio but you need to consider if you have good reception to harvest the best of radio signals before commiting on one.

After living in UK for 2 years and listening to their radio, I have kind of lost interest listening to the local stations as the sound quality here is dissapointing. Not sure if this is due to broadcast or reception quality though.

These days, given the lack of space for another "box" and the undercertainty of being constrained by poor receptions, I am content listening to internet radio stations on my streamer but I still miss the good old days of running through the radio station by spinning the knobs of my dad's kenwood tuner. :-)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: ZRXS on March 21, 2016, 16:00
Bros, does Naim have good analog tuners?

The naim NAT05XS is superb but you need to take into consideration of your building's FM reception, some building have better aerial than others, some dont even have the FM anymore. Alternatively you can get naim streamers pre-fitted with the FM module (eg NDX) which cost quite a bit extra on top
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on March 22, 2016, 09:56
The naim NAT05XS is superb but you need to take into consideration of your building's FM reception, some building have better aerial than others, some dont even have the FM anymore. Alternatively you can get naim streamers pre-fitted with the FM module (eg NDX) which cost quite a bit extra on top

That could be a way...reason I am asking is cause I cannot seem to find some Singapore radio stations on the NDX internet radio channels.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: engjoo on March 22, 2016, 10:51
That could be a way...reason I am asking is cause I cannot seem to find some Singapore radio stations on the NDX internet radio channels.

Hello, the problem is most of our local stations are in ACC format and they are not listed by default on the list but you can add them manually yourself. It works seamlessly for me now. I have been in touch with Naim support on this and it seems to be an issue with  vtuner server.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on March 22, 2016, 11:07
Hello, the problem is most of our local stations are in ACC format and they are not listed by default on the list but you can add them manually yourself. It works seamlessly for me now. I have been in touch with Naim support on this and it seems to be an issue with  vtuner server.

Thanks Bro Engjoo. I tried adding them online but for some reasons it did not appear on the iPad Naim app. I try again later.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: engjoo on March 22, 2016, 11:30
Thanks Bro Engjoo. I tried adding them online but for some reasons it did not appear on the iPad Naim app. I try again later.

Hang on here. I am trying to document the procedure to share with everyone.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: engjoo on March 22, 2016, 13:41
I have done a simple write up on the procedures to add local ACC radio stations to Naim streamers:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2ww5hsVPNHvYmtZRUJFQUNoUms

Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on March 22, 2016, 21:52
I have done a simple write up on the procedures to add local ACC radio stations to Naim streamers:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2ww5hsVPNHvYmtZRUJFQUNoUms



Thanks Bro. You are really a life saver!
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: engjoo on March 22, 2016, 22:52
Thanks Bro. You are really a life saver!

My pleasure !
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: scoobydoo on March 23, 2016, 10:53
I have done a simple write up on the procedures to add local ACC radio stations to Naim streamers:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2ww5hsVPNHvYmtZRUJFQUNoUms



Solid!!!! Thanks.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: desee on March 27, 2016, 02:25
What speaker match well with superuniti ?

Anyone use it to drive kef LS50?

Comment please
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on March 27, 2016, 15:22
What speaker match well with superuniti ?

Anyone use it to drive kef LS50?

Comment please

I find Dyna a good match.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: jascyt on March 27, 2016, 20:55
What speaker match well with superuniti ?

Anyone use it to drive kef LS50?

Comment please
Running the Superuniti with LS50. Good high clarity without any brightness or harshness and warm mids with this pairing. Just don't expect too much bass. With solid stands and experimenting with positioning the speakers I could extract max bass from these speakers but still feel wanting especially at lower volumes.

I feel the LS50s are very vfm monitors. I enjoy the stereo imaging and the mid/high clarity very much. Many pro reviewers have covered them and I don't think they will disappoint at all when paired with a capable amp like the Superuniti.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: desee on March 28, 2016, 21:04
Thanks will try to get a pair of used kef LS50 to test with my superuniti
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on May 19, 2016, 06:03
Naim bros especially those using Nac 282. Need your help in this.

The sound is coming only from one side of my speaker.

I checked the balance wheel is in the middle.

When I switch speaker cable, it will go to the other speaker.

When I press mon, both speakers will have sound....

I only have one source NDX.

Have you all experienced such problems before? If so, how did you solve it?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kmchow98 on May 19, 2016, 06:31
Give absolute sound a call.
It looks like one channel is down.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on May 19, 2016, 07:45
Give absolute sound a call.
It looks like one channel is down.

Aiyoh...but weird leh when mon is on can hear from both speakers...
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: nautilus on May 19, 2016, 12:19
Aiyoh...but weird leh when mon is on can hear from both speakers...

Seems like something to do with your source outputting only one channel. Try another source with another cable (RCA or DIN).
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on May 19, 2016, 13:27
Seems like something to do with your source outputting only one channel. Try another source with another cable (RCA or DIN).
Hi I tried a rca to din cable.  Both speakers have sound. Getting a din from abs later. Hope that is the weak link

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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on May 19, 2016, 19:56
Updates. When I used another din, the problem persisted. Most likely problem is in the NDX. I sent it in for repair.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: engjoo on May 20, 2016, 09:38
Updates. When I used another din, the problem persisted. Most likely problem is in the NDX. I sent it in for repair.

Disappointing to have it fail so soon. Hope you get it back fast.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on May 20, 2016, 09:47
Disappointing to have it fail so soon. Hope you get it back fast.

Should not have problem one. Still under warranty. Absolute Sound can solve it easily. I rarely heard Naim equipment breaking down.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kmchow98 on May 20, 2016, 10:24
Usually for small problems like caps blowing up or something, Absolute Sound will fix it for free even if warranty is over.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: engjoo on May 20, 2016, 10:51
Yeah, I have no issue with AS service. So far I had the NDX Naim logo changed (without charges) due to the bleeding issue commonly discussed and also the display which I was told has a "finite" lifetime.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on May 20, 2016, 15:18
Got back the set.  Mr tan and Ivan were very receptive and service prompt and quick :)  seems like a relay problem

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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: heuer on May 20, 2016, 15:36
Should not have problem one. Still under warranty. Absolute Sound can solve it easily. I rarely heard Naim equipment breaking down.


Their CDP transport is damn unreliable especially the  VAM1250 in their CDS3, the CD555 so far so good.... Heng ah....
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on May 20, 2016, 16:06
Their CDP transport is damn unreliable especially the  VAM1250 in their CDS3, the CD555 so far so good.... Heng ah....

You switched to CD555? Good choice! Every time I think back, I should have bought the CD555 instead of the streamers.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: heuer on May 20, 2016, 19:46
You switched to CD555? Good choice! Every time I think back, I should have bought the CD555 instead of the streamers.

Yes, i got myself a CD555 and i had given up on streamer. Less headache and a happy man now.
The NDS is no match to 555, go try it and you know what i mean.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on May 20, 2016, 20:19
Yes, i got myself a CD555 and i had given up on streamer. Less headache and a happy man now.
The NDS is no match to 555, go try it and you know what i mean.

CD player certainly has way less variables and way much easier to get it right. This is certainly not true for streamers. It took me a lot of time to figure how to set up a streamer, but I think I may have the solution. And I wrote the solution down at the Lumin thread. However, looking back, I rather not spend the time, effort, frustration, pain and $$$ to solve it. Sometimes, I will keep shaking my head when I look at the boxes of ethernet cables, switches, routers, optical media converters, and etc. I would rather slot in the CD, spin it, listen, and shake leg. It was seriously one of the most silly route I ever taken in whole audio life. Sigh ...
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: heuer on May 20, 2016, 20:56
CD player certainly has way less variables and way much easier to get it right. This is certainly not true for streamers. It took me a lot of time to figure how to set up a streamer, but I think I may have the solution. And I wrote the solution down at the Lumin thread. However, looking back, I rather not spend the time, effort, frustration, pain and $$$ to solve it. Sometimes, I will keep shaking my head when I look at the boxes of ethernet cables, switches, routers, optical media converters, and etc. I would rather slot in the CD, spin it, listen, and shake leg. It was seriously one of the most silly route I ever taken in whole audio life. Sigh ...

No no my friend, its not silly at all. It is part of the journey that make things fun isn't it? You had attain the result you wanted right?

I am an old uncle already thus i only go for shortcuts nowadays. I nowadays like to go online or SZ to buy cheap cables to try. You be amaze to see my cable is less than 10% of my entire setup hahaa. BTW i went back to 552/300DR while waiting for my 500 to be DR.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: hifiice on July 10, 2016, 13:14
Dear All,

I just changed my setup from Arcam amp to a Naim 5SI. Everything else remain unchanged, including power point, cable, etc. However, my 5SI will produce a loud "pop" noise whenever I turn On and Off of the power button.

May i seek some advice, if it is the 5SI have some problem required servicing or repair? What are the common possible causes for such pop noise whenever the power source turn on and off? Also, does such pop noise cause any concern in this case?

Being an non technically trained person, i m not sure how to troubleshoot such problem. Many thanks for the advice.

cheers!
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Tiktokape on July 10, 2016, 13:34
Dear All,

I just changed my setup from Arcam amp to a Naim 5SI. Everything else remain unchanged, including power point, cable, etc. However, my 5SI will produce a loud "pop" noise whenever I turn On and Off of the power button.

May i seek some advice, if it is the 5SI have some problem required servicing or repair? What are the common possible causes for such pop noise whenever the power source turn on and off? Also, does such pop noise cause any concern in this case?

Being an non technically trained person, i m not sure how to troubleshoot such problem. Many thanks for the advice.

cheers!
Take off everything and hook up the powercord and try again. Does it have the loud pop? If no, slowly put back the rest of the stuffs to nail down the 'pop'.


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Title: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on July 10, 2016, 14:09
Pop sound is normal for naim amps ... Caps discharging. Naim chose to let it pass thru ur speakers. :P


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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on July 10, 2016, 14:23
Dear All,

I just changed my setup from Arcam amp to a Naim 5SI. Everything else remain unchanged, including power point, cable, etc. However, my 5SI will produce a loud "pop" noise whenever I turn On and Off of the power button.

May i seek some advice, if it is the 5SI have some problem required servicing or repair? What are the common possible causes for such pop noise whenever the power source turn on and off? Also, does such pop noise cause any concern in this case?

Being an non technically trained person, i m not sure how to troubleshoot such problem. Many thanks for the advice.

cheers!


Perfectly normal for Naim amp and keep the amp always "On"
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on July 10, 2016, 16:05
As the rest mentioned, its perfectly normal for the speakers to create a pop sound when we switch off a Naim amp. So there is nothing to worry about.

But as Kaydee mentioned, we rarely off our Naim amps. If you refer to the specification of your Nait 5si, the power consumption of it sitting idle is about 19W. That will cost you about 9 cents a day or $2.70 per month to keep it on all the time (assuming 1kWh cost 20 cents).
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: alvin1118 on July 10, 2016, 16:52
I was wondering how loud is the pop ? Used to own naim, but the pop isn't very-loud.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: heuer on July 10, 2016, 17:44
If it ain't pop it is not a Naim. Don't be too bothered by it.  ;D hahaha
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Yubaba on July 10, 2016, 19:27
Nice to see Naim bros here, hoping to join Naim family soon : )
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: douce on July 10, 2016, 21:10
anyone using Teddy PSU? How is their Naim PSU compared to Naim?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: hifiice on July 11, 2016, 02:06
Many thks for sharing your experience and advice. It is somehow relief to know that, it is normal to have pop sound on Naim amp.  The Pop sound is quite loud I would say...the only way is to turn down the Vol button before power on the amp but the pop sound get softer abit. 

Anyway, I will try the method as suggested, to see if I am lucky to get rid of the pop sound.  If not, I would just leave it as it is.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on July 11, 2016, 09:51
Nice to see Naim bros here, hoping to join Naim family soon : )

Join :) Naim and Dynaudio works well together :)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on July 11, 2016, 11:13
There are so many brands of speaker that can work well with Naim but if you're talking about maximum synergy, other than the older Naim speakers nothing comes close to classic Epos ES14 in which the designer Robin Marshall actually uses Naim amplification to voice it.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on July 11, 2016, 12:17
There are so many brands of speaker that can work well with Naim but if you're talking about maximum synergy, other than the older Naim speakers nothing comes close to classic Epos ES14 in which the designer Robin Marshall actually uses Naim amplification to voice it.

Different breed of naimies now, different type of ears and preferences.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on July 11, 2016, 13:31
Different breed of naimies now, different type of ears and preferences.

Heheh ya I play hokkien deng li jun on mine :D
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on July 11, 2016, 14:29
Heheh ya I play hokkien deng li jun on mine :D

Hahaha. Sui! Listening to Hokkien song can be very refreshing at times. I still miss listening to the Hokkien LP at one of the brother's place.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Tiktokape on July 11, 2016, 15:39
Hahaha. Sui! Listening to Hokkien song can be very refreshing at times. I still miss listening to the Hokkien LP at one of the brother's place.
Ask the guy to bring Hokkien LP to your place lo.


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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on July 11, 2016, 18:33
Ask the guy to bring Hokkien LP to your place lo.


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Bo TT. TT too ex!
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: engjoo on July 14, 2016, 09:43
The slight pop is normal for Naim amp. I don't like it but I have grown to accept it.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: sudo on July 15, 2016, 01:17
Currently on SN with 5xCDP and Monitor audio silver s6 speakers. Want to find out if any bros here have a 282/250DR for audition? As i might be able to get an used 282 at good price. So wondering how good is the 250DR as it seem to have some rave reviews online. Prefer to audit in a home environment if possible. Thanks.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on July 15, 2016, 08:27
Currently on SN with 5xCDP and Monitor audio silver s6 speakers. Want to find out if any bros here have a 282/250DR for audition? As i might be able to get an used 282 at good price. So wondering how good is the 250DR as it seem to have some rave reviews online. Prefer to audit in a home environment if possible. Thanks.

An alternative is to upgrade the speakers first. Then upgrade your source to at least cdx2/xps or ndx/xps before changing to 282/250.

I am assuming 5xCDP is Naim cd5 xs.

If you want to upgrade to 250 in the future, with that amount of money, you can maybe try listening to ATC SCM40A first. I had heard the ATC SCM40A a few times and it did sound promising. However, I had yet listen to the SCM40A with a more decent preamp and source (for example NDS/252). For ATC SCM40A, you can try contacting Joel. Joel is a very helpful and friendly dealer.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: sudo on July 15, 2016, 13:31
An alternative is to upgrade the speakers first. Then upgrade your source to at least cdx2/xps or ndx/xps before changing to 282/250.

I am assuming 5xCDP is Naim cd5 xs.

If you want to upgrade to 250 in the future, with that amount of money, you can maybe try listening to ATC SCM40A first. I had heard the ATC SCM40A a few times and it did sound promising. However, I had yet listen to the SCM40A with a more decent preamp and source (for example NDS/252). For ATC SCM40A, you can try contacting Joel. Joel is a very helpful and friendly dealer.

My CDP is a CD5X with a FC2, i think ATC SCM40A is too big for my room and out of budget. I am looking at upgrading my amp as i have a 282 that is letting go at a very good price. Speaker upgrade is definitely in the list as well and I had  try visit AV intelligence sometime ago for their penaudio at Mohammad sultan but they are not there so i guess they might have move.

I went to AS at Adelphi to audit the 250DR with Focal but the showroom don't seems to be optimise. Thus it be great that i can demo the 282/250dr i can bring over my source if necessary just in case the owner do not have a naim CDP.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on July 15, 2016, 14:41
SCM40A is amp + speakers. I think price is quite close to the 250DR and you're getting a speaker and amp upgrade. Having said that, it may open up cans of worms in your system as ATC being a studio heritage is ruthless in revealing the good and bad of your system. A good thing if your source if up to task and I think CD5X is quite decent CDP, so maybe not that bad.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Tiktokape on July 15, 2016, 15:00
Second naimster that SCM40A is ruthless, I had a fair amount of listening to it. In between the audition, I did threw in some bad recordings, totally non-listenable to me.

@Sudo; I agree with Instek that you should consider speaker upgrade to remove the bottleneck.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: virtueblue on July 15, 2016, 15:33
I didnt have great experience matching Naim pre with other brand's power and I have never tried with ATC active so I cant comment on this.

But my guess is ATC speaker demands a lot from power amp, hence I am not too convinced if 250 can handle them. I heard Naimster's 135s with ATC and it was marvelous.

I agree that speakers are very important as they are at the last chain of sound production, but please make sure you shortlist speakers that Naim amp can handle, otherwise it may be quite disastrous. It can turn into a very pricey mistake.

My 2 cents. Cheers!
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on July 15, 2016, 15:41
I didnt have great experience matching Naim pre with other brand's power and I have never tried with ATC active so I cant comment on this.

But my guess is ATC speaker demands a lot from power amp, hence I am not too convinced if 250 can handle them. I heard Naimster's 135s with ATC and it was marvelous.

I agree that speakers are very important as they are at the last chain of sound production, but please make sure you shortlist speakers that Naim amp can handle, otherwise it may be quite disastrous. It can turn into a very pricey mistake.

My 2 cents. Cheers!

Bro. SCM40A is an active speaker, it doesn't need an external amplifier.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: virtueblue on July 15, 2016, 15:49
Yes thats why I say I didnt have great experience matching Naim pre with non Naim power.

The power amp is integrated into the speaker in the ATC active and I am not too convinced that it will sound good but I may be wrong.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Tiktokape on July 15, 2016, 16:22
I heard Naimster's 135s with ATC and it was marvelous.
I guess it bottoms down to individual on matching. If one like Naim sounding, by adding with Naim preamp with ATC SCM40A, won't be that bad after all, the DNA will flow downstream while not to worry over under powering the SCM40.

My mind is still fresh over Naimster's ATC driven by his Olive.  ;D I had a good listen over it many moons ago.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on July 15, 2016, 16:49
I know someone in this forum who is using a 252 into SCM40A but he could be still running in the ATC. :P


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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Tiktokape on July 15, 2016, 17:30
I know someone in this forum who is using a 252 into SCM40A but he could be still running in the ATC. :P
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heuer also mentioned that same guy?  :P
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: heuer on July 15, 2016, 19:15
Aiya don't be too bother whether matching or not.... it's your money and your ear. If after an audition you have the "song" factor, it mean the speaker is suitable for you. No point buying something based on our advice and then buy blindly, to me that is really stupid.

Here we are ,we can only advise what we feel is a good match to Naim but end of the day the decision is yours. I feel you are on the right track by seeking to audit in a home environment because i feel the SG Naim showroom really sucks big time.

I have people laughing at me because i run Naim with cheapo DIN rather then their SUPER Ribena cable. So that life, we live in a work of perceptions and very bother about what others think... I already gone past that stage so i am a happy man now....  ;D
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: heuer on July 15, 2016, 19:27
anyone using Teddy PSU? How is their Naim PSU compared to Naim?

Poor man DR PSU, not bad for it's price. If you want cheap Naim DR, go audiogon. People ditching their used DR PSU at 40% off the new price.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: nautilus on July 15, 2016, 23:58
I guess it bottoms down to individual on matching. If one like Naim sounding, by adding with Naim preamp with ATC SCM40A, won't be that bad after all, the DNA will flow downstream while not to worry over under powering the SCM40.

My mind is still fresh over Naimster's ATC driven by his Olive.  ;D I had a good listen over it many moons ago.

The scm40 needs at least a 300 or 135s to be driven properly. 250.2 and below just can't make it open up. Perhaps the latest 250dr might fare better.

The scm40a is a good option for buyers who can't stretch to at least a 300.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on July 16, 2016, 00:55
The power amp is integrated into the speaker in the ATC active and I am not too convinced that it will sound good but I may be wrong.

Go and have a listen, then add a bit of imagination and extrapolation, and then you decide.

Furthermore, you can consider the price and see if its worth it. And that price include: (1) speaker, (2) one amplifier for each driver, and (3) its active.

The sonic signature is another story, and this is very much dependent on personal preference. When I heard it last week, it reminds me of a Neat Ultimatum MF5 driven by a latest spec Linn Klimax Chakra Twin. There are some differences between them, however there are more similarities than differences.

Lastly, and most importantly, there are still some aspects of the SCM40A that I am still figuring out, and that's why I use the word "promising".
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Tiktokape on July 16, 2016, 02:21
The scm40 needs at least a 300 or 135s to be driven properly. 250.2 and below just can't make it open up. Perhaps the latest 250dr might fare better.

The scm40a is a good option for buyers who can't stretch to at least a 300.
My thoughts on SCM40 are more than just wattages and pardon me as I'm not familiar with Naim amps specs.

Assuming Naim 300/135 are recommended to drive SCM40 sufficiently, I'm looking at the angle on how the amps will drive them coherency in a balanced manner while maintaining a constant performance ratio from top to bottom down be it the SPL is at decent or high levels.

When switching over to SCM40A, the immediate impressions I had were 1) no signs of lacking in wattages on tri-amp 2) the crossover in 3 way drivers are seamless and balanced which speak well on its active implementation 3) it sound concise to me on decent SPL levels

Nevertheless, I agree with you that SCM40A is good for one who lack the budget on power amps. The MSRP between the passive and active speakers are closed to double, I doubt I can use the differences to match and drive passive ones effortlessly unless one splash on amps - including me whois shortlisting SCM40A, I can't play the hardcore route, mix and match amps, speaker cables etc. By living with two variables - Powercords and XLR cables

Lastly, and most importantly, there are still some aspects of the SCM40A that I am still figuring out, and that's why I use the word "promising".
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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: heuer on July 16, 2016, 02:25
Honestly even a Naim 135 or 300 imo cant drive the scm40 well. It simply cannot cut for the job. Got sound but doubt it be fantastic. Atc speaker does not have an easy load for the amp. So i think go for scm40a plus atc matching pre will be quite decent.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: nautilus on July 16, 2016, 08:44
Hi Tiktokape,

I did the audition to compare between a 40, 40a and 100aslt. I was thinking of either going with the 40 or ditching the backend altogether for a 100aslt.

Between the 40a and 100aslt, I feel that the differences are huge. The drive and rawness that you get out of a live recording on the 100 cannot be matched with the 40a. The improved drivers and amp packs makes a big difference. The top end seemsThe performance of the 40a is roughly equivalent to a 40 driven by an amp between a 250.2 and 300. Not sure how will the 250dr perform.

In summary:
40 + atc amp - sounds good but not mind blowing
40a - sounds more open. More dynamics and more slam, but still with a degree of constrain
100aslt - sounds very open, dynamic, raw and plenty of slam. Surprisingly more extended on the high end as well.
40 + nap300 - somewhere between a 40a and 100aslt.
40 + nap250.2 - don't bother

The difference between a passive and active 40,and  between driving it with a 300 and a 40a really becomes apparent only at higher volumes.

However that being said, the 40a still represents good vfm if you consider that it's cheaper than a 40 + 250.2.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on July 16, 2016, 11:29
Honestly even a Naim 135 or 300 imo cant drive the scm40 well. It simply cannot cut for the job. Got sound but doubt it be fantastic. Atc speaker does not have an easy load for the amp. So i think go for scm40a plus atc matching pre will be quite decent.

Best match with active ATC speakers I have heard,  were when matched with a good tube-pre with balanced out. The tubes take away some of the dryness when active ATC were driven with ATC pre, or with the Prism used to demo. But the drive and speed remains. Audio Research and Audio Note range are a good match
     
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on July 16, 2016, 11:51
Hi Tiktokape,

I did the audition to compare between a 40, 40a and 100aslt. I was thinking of either going with the 40 or ditching the backend altogether for a 100aslt.

Between the 40a and 100aslt, I feel that the differences are huge. The drive and rawness that you get out of a live recording on the 100 cannot be matched with the 40a. The improved drivers and amp packs makes a big difference. The top end seemsThe performance of the 40a is roughly equivalent to a 40 driven by an amp between a 250.2 and 300. Not sure how will the 250dr perform.

In summary:
40 + atc amp - sounds good but not mind blowing
40a - sounds more open. More dynamics and more slam, but still with a degree of constrain
100aslt - sounds very open, dynamic, raw and plenty of slam. Surprisingly more extended on the high end as well.
40 + nap300 - somewhere between a 40a and 100aslt.
40 + nap250.2 - don't bother

The difference between a passive and active 40,and  between driving it with a 300 and a 40a really becomes apparent only at higher volumes.

However that being said, the 40a still represents good vfm if you consider that it's cheaper than a 40 + 250.2.

I have long been a fan of active ATC and have critically auditioned the 40A, 50A, 50A Anniversary, 100A and 150A in homes. I never pulled the trigger because I did not and still do not have the space nor sound-proofing to optimally deploy any of these models. Playing ATC active, I typically exceed 100dB unknowingly. A volume that will get me into trouble repeatedly with family and neighbours.

Surprisingly thing is that the sonic differences between ASLT of 50,100, 150 not that big, until the lowest bass notes hit. The sonic balance and rendition of scale remains the same despite increased cabinet size. The Anniversary version of same model operates on a much higher plane though, up there with the very best more costly speakers. To me the real jewels of ATC, are the active ATC at their respective price points. 

Agree that the 40A is not in same league as the 50A, 100A or 150A in terms of accuracy, resolution and drive. However, 40A does represent excellent value when matched with a suitable pre.   

If you can stretch for it, the 50A Anniversary is way better than the 100ASLT. best I have heard the 50A, 100A, 150A is when matched with very fast tube pre like an Audio Research Reference series or top Audio Note pre. The worst pain of buying ATC after the cash outlay is the long run in time to get the drivers and amps to flow freely.
Title: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Tiktokape on July 16, 2016, 13:53
Hi Tiktokape,

I did the audition to compare between a 40, 40a and 100aslt. I was thinking of either going with the 40 or ditching the backend altogether for a 100aslt.

Between the 40a and 100aslt, I feel that the differences are huge. The drive and rawness that you get out of a live recording on the 100 cannot be matched with the 40a. The improved drivers and amp packs makes a big difference. The top end seemsThe performance of the 40a is roughly equivalent to a 40 driven by an amp between a 250.2 and 300. Not sure how will the 250dr perform.

In summary:
40 + atc amp - sounds good but not mind blowing
40a - sounds more open. More dynamics and more slam, but still with a degree of constrain
100aslt - sounds very open, dynamic, raw and plenty of slam. Surprisingly more extended on the high end as well.
40 + nap300 - somewhere between a 40a and 100aslt.
40 + nap250.2 - don't bother

The difference between a passive and active 40,and  between driving it with a 300 and a 40a really becomes apparent only at higher volumes.

However that being said, the 40a still represents good vfm if you consider that it's cheaper than a 40 + 250.2.
Thanks Nautilus for such informative piece. At least I get a hang over what to expect. My budget is sitting most at 40A so I can't complain much in performance and will manage the expectation. If I will to go with 40 and pair it with external amps, that will totally blew the budget away.

A given fact that it will be a living room setup in my pigeon hole size(6m x 3.6m) inclusive of dinning area. I hope 40A does not cause more issues in my pigeon size.


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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on July 16, 2016, 18:21
In fact ATC are your best bets for a more small space friendly setup because of the sealed boxes which rolls off earlier but more gradual.


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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: nautilus on July 16, 2016, 20:48
Agreed. Sealed boxes like the scm40's are the least likely to give room issues. I do not think that the scm40a will give any issues as the bass sounds well controlled to me.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: hifiice on August 01, 2016, 01:02
Guys, how can I connect my iPhone (to play music) to my Naim? Thks
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: virtueblue on August 01, 2016, 13:46
There are many ways to do that. It also depends what equipment are you using.

The most direct way is to connect 3.5mm jack from your iPhone to RCA or DIN depending if your naim accepts RCA.

This cable can be gotten from LHS or https://www.flashbacksales.co.uk

However please be reminded to bring the connection diagram to uncle Robert at LHS so that he can customise correctly.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: hifiice on August 02, 2016, 00:46
From IPhone, there is only one Audio Jack output (for earphone connection).  For my Naim 5SI, it accepts RCA cable input. Is there is device selling in the market for connect between iPhone to my Naim 5SI? I prefer those device which can deliver best audio quality or minimum loss in the process. Thks
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on August 02, 2016, 08:47
If you have a naim dac u can plug direct into the USB and that's probably the best iPhone sound one can get thru naim.


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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on August 03, 2016, 09:00
Any bros tried naim dac against ndx? how does it sound?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on August 03, 2016, 09:10
i am looking to add a ndac to my ndx
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on August 03, 2016, 09:58
i am looking to add a ndac to my ndx

Think i saw a 2nd handone some where.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: engjoo on August 03, 2016, 11:17
Any bros tried naim dac against ndx? how does it sound?

It has been widely practised (even AS does that) to add a NDAC to improve the NDX but adding more boxes does not sing will with me. Why not save up for the XPS-DR ?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on August 03, 2016, 11:50
It has been widely practised (even AS does that) to add a NDAC to improve the NDX but adding more boxes does not sing will with me. Why not save up for the XPS-DR ?
Hehe bro saving but getting a supercap first.

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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on August 03, 2016, 12:52
The saving up for the next box never ends with Naim
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: engjoo on August 03, 2016, 13:51
The saving up for the next box never ends with Naim

Well if have an XPS/272/250 there are no other boxes to save for..
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: nautilus on August 03, 2016, 15:53
Well if have an XPS/272/250 there are no other boxes to save for..

Then you will be looking at saving up for 2 more boxes - NDS + 252/552 .
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on August 03, 2016, 17:10
I like the NDS :)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: heuer on August 03, 2016, 19:48
It has been widely practised (even AS does that) to add a NDAC to improve the NDX but adding more boxes does not sing will with me. Why not save up for the XPS-DR ?

Unless you have a CD555, CDS3 or NDS else adding NDAC+XPS certainly improve the sound. CD555 sound the best among the lot.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on August 03, 2016, 22:04
I like the NDS :)
Then it makes more sense for u to get a XPS in preparation for NDS instead of a interim NDAC.


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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: nautilus on August 03, 2016, 22:13
Then it makes more sense for u to get a XPS in preparation for NDS instead of a interim NDAC.


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Go straight for the 555dr. :D
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on August 04, 2016, 09:11
Please...just go straight to Statement :p
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: engjoo on August 08, 2016, 11:41
Then it makes more sense for u to get a XPS in preparation for NDS instead of a interim NDAC.


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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Yubaba on September 04, 2016, 22:32
Just bought CD5XS and join the Naim family
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on September 04, 2016, 22:51
Welcome :) what's is the rest of the system?


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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Yubaba on September 04, 2016, 22:53
not fully Naim system yet and will upgrade slowly ;)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Yubaba on September 15, 2016, 16:34
Dear Bros

Does anyone here has a spare CD5XS Clamp to sell or lend to me for a day to test?

I just misplace my cd clamp and absolute sound does not have stock.

thanks
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: scoobydoo on September 16, 2016, 10:55
Is it the same clamp as the cds3? if so, i think i have one lying around somewhere.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Yubaba on September 17, 2016, 20:40
Bro scoobydoo

Appreciate for your kindness and help, it is a different clamp.

Lastly, i had already order online and waiting for its arrival

It is nice to see Naim brothers helping out each others  :)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Yubaba on September 21, 2016, 18:25
If any Naim bros want to buy spare cd clamp, i highly recommend you all to buy from Analogue Seduction from UK. It took 5 days for the clamp to reach me and it is 60% cheaper than Absolute Sound

CD5XS is a very lovely CDP and i am very impressed with it, next i will get Flatcap XS to pair with it
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: engjoo on September 22, 2016, 06:09
If any Naim bros want to buy spare cd clamp, i highly recommend you all to buy from Analogue Seduction from UK. It took 5 days for the clamp to reach me and it is 60% cheaper than Absolute Sound

CD5XS is a very lovely CDP and i am very impressed with it, next i will get Flatcap XS to pair with it

lol.. I still remember auditioning at AS few years back when one customer walk in to buy a missing clamp for his CDP and it cost $50 bucks! I was thinking to myself wow this must be some serious nuts!
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Yubaba on September 22, 2016, 08:19
i was fainted when i heard the clamp is $50, but if you in need of it, you have no choice but to buy it. Unfortunately AS has no stock and was informed have to wait for week. I went to search over the net and found Analogue Seduction which is a dealer of Naim products in UK. They offered much cheaper price with shipping, saving my time and bus fare.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: drzero on September 22, 2016, 12:22
If any Naim bros want to buy spare cd clamp, i highly recommend you all to buy from Analogue Seduction from UK. It took 5 days for the clamp to reach me and it is 60% cheaper than Absolute Sound

CD5XS is a very lovely CDP and i am very impressed with it, next i will get Flatcap XS to pair with it

Not everything at analogue seduction is cheaper though , I got my nac-a5 speaker cables brand new and terminated from absolute sound at half price of what analogue seduction is selling

So it really depends on what item I Guess
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: gluttony on September 22, 2016, 13:37
The price of the clamp is ridiculous
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: scoobydoo on September 23, 2016, 18:37
If u get to know Absound well.. then things 比较好商量。
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Yubaba on September 23, 2016, 20:43
thanks, i got it
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: ryder on September 25, 2016, 10:13
anyone using Teddy PSU? How is their Naim PSU compared to Naim?

I have compared the Dual Teddycap with the Naim Hicap DR. The main difference is in the bass. Minor to zero difference in other areas. The mid-bass of the Hicap DR sticks out more as you can feel the beat of the bass thumping in the background. This mid-bass is missing with the Teddycap. The Teddycap designer (Teddy) argues that the Dual Teddycap gives a more "correct" sound whilst the mid-bass of the Naim Hicap DR is an "incorrect" sound and is colouration. The Dual teddycap is said to produce a cleaner and deeper bass than the Hicap DR (according to Teddy) but I don't experience what that has been said.

My view is the difference between the Dual teddycap and Naim Hicap DR is small but appreciable. If you are not too critical about bass quality between the two units, either one would sound great with the Naim preamp that was matched to it. I slightly prefer the Naim Hicap DR with the NAC 282 as the mid-bass adds a more groovy and upbeat character to the music that I listen to. And for the fact that I have actually bought the Hicap DR and cannot return it, so it has to be "better" than the Dual Teddycap that is a fraction of the cost (of the Hicap DR).

Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kmchow98 on September 25, 2016, 10:55
My friend swear by the difference and improvement the 555PS-DR gave over the teddyXPS.
It is however, more than 5x more expensive...

I would say. If you can afford. Go original.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: gluttony on September 25, 2016, 11:00
Go for  the best which you can afford
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: jerome_the_lang on September 25, 2016, 11:06
Please  experiment with non magnetic  (and non metallic) clamps

Bro BTW loan me 2 delrin clamps.

Sounds way way more dynamic and opened.

Sounstaging was twice as big compared to magnetic clamp (or rather, the magnetic clamp was squeezing the life out of the music).

I prefer damping underneath the clamp.

Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: heuer on September 25, 2016, 11:34
My friend swear by the difference and improvement the 555PS-DR gave over the teddyXPS.
It is however, more than 5x more expensive...

I would say. If you can afford. Go original.

How to compare the TeddyXPS vs the 555DR? It is is not even a fair comparison , the 555DR is already a huge improvement over the Naim XPS let alone Teddy XPS. BTW the 555DR is almost 10 times the price of the Teddy XPS, it is 1.2k+usd for Teddy and 12k usd (retail price) for 555 DR.

To give Teddy the due credit, i think their PSU is value for money and sound really good for it's price. Prior to the release of Naim DR, i personally feel Teddy PSU had been a better alternative to Naim. Now with DR, the gap had been close. End of the day, let your ear make the decision.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on September 25, 2016, 12:14
I have compared the Dual Teddycap with the Naim Hicap DR. The main difference is in the bass. Minor to zero difference in other areas. The mid-bass of the Hicap DR sticks out more as you can feel the beat of the bass thumping in the background. This mid-bass is missing with the Teddycap. The Teddycap designer (Teddy) argues that the Dual Teddycap gives a more "correct" sound whilst the mid-bass of the Naim Hicap DR is an "incorrect" sound and is colouration. The Dual teddycap is said to produce a cleaner and deeper bass than the Hicap DR (according to Teddy) but I don't experience what that has been said.

My view is the difference between the Dual teddycap and Naim Hicap DR is small but appreciable. If you are not too critical about bass quality between the two units, either one would sound great with the Naim preamp that was matched to it. I slightly prefer the Naim Hicap DR with the NAC 282 as the mid-bass adds a more groovy and upbeat character to the music that I listen to. And for the fact that I have actually bought the Hicap DR and cannot return it, so it has to be "better" than the Dual Teddycap that is a fraction of the cost (of the Hicap DR).
Have you compared against supercap Dr? Was thinking of adding it to my nac 282. Currently using a high cap dr

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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: ryder on September 25, 2016, 12:28
Have you compared against supercap Dr? Was thinking of adding it to my nac 282. Currently using a high cap dr

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No I haven't. There are many who have compared the Hicap DR with the Supercap DR (on the NAC 282). Majority favour the Supercap DR. A recent post about 8 hours ago on the Naim forum :-

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Ryder - further to the questions you asked me about the 252 and then the 250DR v 300DR, looking at your post here where you describe your system, I think I'd be inclined to try a SuperCap before thinking about upgrading your 250DR to 300DR. When I demo'ed the 282/250.2 it took me about ten seconds of listening to the SC power the 282 as compared to the HC to decide I had to have a SC. The soundstage just expanded beautifully. In my view the 282 is capable of a wonderful performance when powered by a SC.

Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on September 25, 2016, 12:33
No I haven't. There are many who have compared the Hicap DR with the Supercap DR (on the NAC 282). Majority favour the Supercap DR. A recent post about 8 hours ago on the Naim forum :-
Haha thanks bro shall slowly save then

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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on September 25, 2016, 12:45
Haha thanks bro shall slowly save then

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I would say going 252 with SC Dr is more logical. So best option is to swap out your 282/hc Dr for the above.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on September 25, 2016, 12:54
Heheheh heart itchy leh

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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: nautilus on September 25, 2016, 15:43
Naim used to give replacement cd pucks for free as the initial pucks rubber bits used to wear down pretty quickly.

Anyway if you are looking at a 252/Supercab dr, I'm trading in mine for a new 552dr. Let me know if you are interested in taking over.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kmchow98 on September 25, 2016, 17:03
How to compare the TeddyXPS vs the 555DR? It is is not even a fair comparison , the 555DR is already a huge improvement over the Naim XPS let alone Teddy XPS. BTW the 555DR is almost 10 times the price of the Teddy XPS, it is 1.2k+usd for Teddy and 12k usd (retail price) for 555 DR.

To give Teddy the due credit, i think their PSU is value for money and sound really good for it's price. Prior to the release of Naim DR, i personally feel Teddy PSU had been a better alternative to Naim. Now with DR, the gap had been close. End of the day, let your ear make the decision.

Agree. I have the TeddyXPS on my NDAC and it is already a very good set up. I can't imagine what a 555DR can do.
That said, Naim owners should have a powerline powering their gear.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: heuer on September 25, 2016, 17:58
If one have no intention to go for 252 then don't bother getting the SC.  SC have 14 x 24v for 252 i am not so sure why someone would bother buying it for 282 which only use 2 rail? I had demo SC on a 282 and i find the Hiap powered 282 sound more balance. Typically Naim forum will always recommend the flagship PSU to use on lower end pre and swear by it which to me just simply don't make sense. How does it make any economical sense to buy a 14 rails PSU and only use 2 rails? If you ask me how much improvement from Hi-cap seriously it is rather slight BUT if you have intention for 252 then by all mean go for it.

Being an ex 282 owner, i find this pre is capable on it own right with it hicap PSU which it is designed for. I had since skip 252 and went for 552/500 and 555 CDP and stop all this chasing of black box craze with Naim.  And no, i don't participate in any discussion in Naim forum as they are overly biased in their comment and the forum is too heavily moderated.
Title: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on September 25, 2016, 18:26
I am with heuer... sc is way overkill for a 282.having said that I think the main reason why it's still giving improvement over the hicap is that  it's powered by a 450va tranny and 30000uf reservoir caps, quite a bit oversized compared to hicap

Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on September 25, 2016, 18:38
And 2 hicaps not much advantage also from what they say?

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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: ryder on September 26, 2016, 08:03
If one have no intention to go for 252 then don't bother getting the SC.  SC have 14 x 24v for 252 i am not so sure why someone would bother buying it for 282 which only use 2 rail? I had demo SC on a 282 and i find the Hiap powered 282 sound more balance. Typically Naim forum will always recommend the flagship PSU to use on lower end pre and swear by it which to me just simply don't make sense. How does it make any economical sense to buy a 14 rails PSU and only use 2 rails? If you ask me how much improvement from Hi-cap seriously it is rather slight BUT if you have intention for 252 then by all mean go for it.

Being an ex 282 owner, i find this pre is capable on it own right with it hicap PSU which it is designed for. I had since skip 252 and went for 552/500 and 555 CDP and stop all this chasing of black box craze with Naim.  And no, i don't participate in any discussion in Naim forum as they are overly biased in their comment and the forum is too heavily moderated.

I agree with the suggestion of not getting the Supercap if one has no intention to upgrade the 282 to the 252. That is one of the main reasons the Supercap does not interest me. The point with the unused rails of the Supercap when used with the 282 is a valid one and was raised couple of times on the Naim forum. Good advice on sticking with the Hicap DR on the NAC 282.

As for the upgrade frenzy with Naim black boxes, certainly a valid observation especially with those who have low "will-power". There are too many models in the Naim line of pre and power amps and the temptation will always be there. For me, I am glad to report the NAC 282 / Hicap DR / NAP 250 DR may very well be my last-stop amps and I have no more urge to look at anything else up the chain. There may be "better" sound available, but the 282/250 DR represents great value for money and is in my opinion the "entry" to an enjoyable high-quality sound for a Naim system. The 282 / 250 DR is a great balanced system and one can surely stop at this level without thinking of further upgrades up the hierarchy ladder.

As for the strict moderation of Naim forum, to be continued further, below.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: ryder on September 26, 2016, 08:16
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Being an ex 282 owner, i find this pre is capable on it own right with it hicap PSU which it is designed for. I had since skip 252 and went for 552/500 and 555 CDP and stop all this chasing of black box craze with Naim.  And no, i don't participate in any discussion in Naim forum as they are overly biased in their comment and the forum is too heavily moderated.

As with any forum, especially manufacturer's own user forum, there will surely be some form of moderation. Biased comments are a norm, not only with Naim users posting on Naim forum but just about any user posting on a general audio forum, say on Xtremeplace, Pinkfish or Audiogon etc. People will usually promote equipment that they like, usually the ones that they own.

Personally I think the Naim forum is still manageable with regards to moderation. As a matter of fact, it is surely much more lenient when compared to say the Harbeth user forum. On the Naim forum, people can still post competitors' products sounding better than Naim products. In other words, promoting other gear on the Naim forum. It is only with modifications of Naim gear, particularly 3rd party PSUs from the likes of Teddy or Avondale that are prohibited to be discussed or posted on the forum.

Try posting another speaker sounding better than the Harbeth on the user forum. The post will be deleted instantly. Harbeth previously practiced extreme moderation whereby each and every post is screened and checked before they are released by the moderators to be published on the forum. In other words, the post you have made will not appear on the forum unless it is approved by the moderators. They practiced this extreme moderation sometime back in 2011 or 2012 as there were too many "biased" comments that were not working to their favour. I am not sure if this extreme moderation is continued to be practiced by Harbeth today.

There is a certain cult-like family feeling on the Harbeth forum, and any opinions that are not in line with their values will be treated with disdain. Most often opinions from the "clan" will be somehow regarded as facts. You will be cast apart and any of your thoughts or remark will not be taken seriously by the tight-knitted clan. The Naim forum (being a manufacturer's forum) is much more open and you do not feel being cast aside or treated like an unworthy person even though you have a different opinion. You can still promote any other gear sounding better than Naim, usually DACs and speakers, less with amplifiers (since they make good amps) and your opinions will be well received by some or most folks, and most importantly your post will not be deleted by the moderator.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: heuer on September 26, 2016, 09:31
And 2 hicaps not much advantage also from what they say?

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Not worth buying the 2nd HiCap, if you want further improvement. Just go for 252 or 552, don't bother adding SC/2nd Hi-cap on the 282 for that small improvement. Else change all your cables to Chord Sarum series, it is expensive BUT it certainly improve the Naim performance and trash all the Naim cables including Super Lumina which itself is not cheap.

If you want value for money, just get used Naim pre and pwd, you save a lot as compared to new. IMO Naim equipment are too overprice nowadays.

Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Yubaba on October 01, 2016, 17:26
Hi Naim bros

Is it ok for flatcap xs just to connect 2 devices or 1 device?

Many thanks
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: xerox on October 02, 2016, 23:28
Hi Naim bros

Is it ok for flatcap xs just to connect 2 devices or 1 device?

Many thanks

The FlatCap XS is a dual-rail power supply that can either be use alone or in pairs. You can use the other to power a XS nait or XS pre amp.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: xerox on October 02, 2016, 23:33
Not worth buying the 2nd HiCap, if you want further improvement. Just go for 252 or 552, don't bother adding SC/2nd Hi-cap on the 282 for that small improvement. Else change all your cables to Chord Sarum series, it is expensive BUT it certainly improve the Naim performance and trash all the Naim cables including Super Lumina which itself is not cheap.

If you want value for money, just get used Naim pre and pwd, you save a lot as compared to new. IMO Naim equipment are too overprice nowadays.



How's your S1mkii? Good match with Naim?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: gluttony on October 03, 2016, 00:40
Agreed with heuer that Naim products are getting overpriced. If warranty is not an issue, go to UK for a holiday, buy naim products as pound is lower now and get 20% vat refund.
Hand carry back here
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: scoobydoo on October 03, 2016, 11:25
Overpriced in what sense? just curious...

Buying in Singapore vis-a-vis other UK brands of the same RRP in pounds?
vis-a-vis other hifi brands for the same quality of components?
vis-a-vis other hifi brands for the same perceived playback quality?
vis-a-vis buying direct from UK?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: nautilus on October 03, 2016, 13:41
You still get slapped with a 7% GST at customs when you arrive in Singapore as well. Also, there is also the issue of after sales support should something go wrong, or if the baggage handler decides to use your package for Short Putt practice. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb5QpM5N1FM
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on October 03, 2016, 14:09
Nautilus, nice system you have there. I'm working towards it..:)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: nautilus on October 03, 2016, 14:31
Nautilus, nice system you have there. I'm working towards it..:)

Thanks. The 252/SCDR is morphing into a 552DR next week.  :)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on October 03, 2016, 14:48
nice!! envy envy
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: scoobydoo on October 04, 2016, 10:31
https://www.facebook.com/hifiloungeuk/posts/900748493390670

seems like some new toy coming.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: engjoo on October 04, 2016, 19:32
https://www.facebook.com/hifiloungeuk/posts/900748493390670

seems like some new toy coming.

Looks like a replacement of the superuniti to me.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: NADtune on October 08, 2016, 16:47
The new uniti series are cool like the Muso espcially incorparting the rotatry knob and still built in England.Wonder do they share components with the Muso and performance is better than the previous matt black series.


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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: AndrewC on October 09, 2016, 08:03
Can't tell for sure, but I'm guessing this new Uniti family's using the StreamUnlimited boards... probably the 820 for the flagship Nova.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Jose on October 20, 2016, 10:51
I am considering changing my Ovator S400 with something that sounds more warm and less energetic while retaining the PRaT. Any suggestions?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on October 21, 2016, 13:45
Harbeth shl5 which I'm using with my Naim system
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on October 21, 2016, 16:02
I have a few Naim systems partnered with Living Voice Avatar speakers. Good PRaT, fast, non fatigue sound as use cloth dome tweeter
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on October 21, 2016, 21:11
I like mine with dynaudio

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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Yubaba on October 21, 2016, 21:46
I like mine with dynaudio too
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on October 22, 2016, 09:08
Bro yubaba what system are you using :)?

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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Yubaba on October 22, 2016, 19:02
Bro yubaba what system are you using :)?
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Here is my normal setup

Dynaudio Audience 122
Music Fidelity M6I
CD5SX
HiCap DR connected directly to CD5SX

Regards
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: black hawk on October 22, 2016, 20:58
How much is a new hicap dr?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on October 22, 2016, 21:33
Here is my normal setup

Dynaudio Audience 122
Music Fidelity M6I
CD5SX
HiCap DR connected directly to CD5SX

Regards

Nice! :)


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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on October 22, 2016, 21:33
How much is a new hicap dr?

Think at least 2k. What are you hooking up to?


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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: black hawk on October 22, 2016, 21:39
Xs2
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: gluttony on October 22, 2016, 21:54
New hicap Dr 2.6k and above
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: gluttony on October 22, 2016, 21:58
Nait XS2 is a lovely amp
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: black hawk on October 22, 2016, 22:06
Do u think the flatcap xs is good enough for upgrade?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: gluttony on October 22, 2016, 22:44
Flatcap XS and Hicap Dr are mixed of joy. Some users say flatcap XS with powerline are already very good
If you going for Hicap Dr, you can use it with XS2, supernait 2, 202, 282.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: black hawk on October 22, 2016, 22:56
I will try out these 2 to see which one suits me. If difference is not day and night, i will get the flatcap xs only
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: gluttony on October 23, 2016, 01:33
Do let us know your findings here. Thanks
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: nautilus on October 23, 2016, 02:12
There's a big difference beween a flatcap and hicap DR. One has DR and one doesn't. The DR makes a big difference and will set the foundation for future upgrades.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Yubaba on October 23, 2016, 08:59
After installing HiCap DR, there is no way i can listen to music without it.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: black hawk on October 23, 2016, 10:17
Pairing the hc dr with my xs2 now. Cdp is 5si. Found that the back ground is quieter. Bass has tighten and the highs are smoother. But the mid has lost out something. Soundstage has open up to certain extend. Separation of instruments is noticeable. Let me try the flatcap xs 2 in 2 weeks time and update mine findings. To pay 2k plus for psu is expensive. Hopefully the flatcap xs2 is not too far from the hc dr.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Yubaba on October 23, 2016, 10:33
Black Hawk, you are very fast, so you bought the Hicap DR? If you are free in one of these days, you may come to my house

Flatcap XS should below 2k but it can power up 2 devices

Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on October 23, 2016, 10:40
Or get a teddy highcap if budget is the matter? Think ppl are letting go

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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: black hawk on October 23, 2016, 11:58
I loan the hc dr yesterday.  Played it but not convinced that it is better until several hours later when the hc dr is fully warmed up then can hear more changes. I will loan the fc xs after next week to audtion before i decide which one to buy. May also upgrade my cdp next year so fc xs is cheaper in terms of upgrade path. Thats mine thought.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: gluttony on October 23, 2016, 12:21
You are very lucky that you have someone to loan you the PSU to try. You need to have CD5XS like bro yubaba
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: gluttony on October 23, 2016, 12:23
Forgotten to tell you, there are bros who do not switch off their naim gears too
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: black hawk on October 23, 2016, 12:28
I switch on my gear on friday to sunday only. Seldom listen to music on weekdays.

Thanks yubaba for the invitation. I will pm u one of the day .
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Yubaba on October 23, 2016, 17:31
Bro Demogoblin

Here is my latest setup

Dynaudio Audience 122
Nait XS2
CD5XS
HiCap DR connected directly to Nait XS2

Regards
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: nautilus on October 23, 2016, 21:02
Bro Demogoblin

Here is my latest setup

Dynaudio Audience 122
Nait XS2
CD5XS
HiCap DR connected directly to Nait XS2

Regards

Try experimenting with the Hicap DR on your source. Allow at least a few days of warm up and see if you like the difference.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Yubaba on October 23, 2016, 21:49
bro Nautilus

Thanks , i will definitely try out on my source

Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on October 24, 2016, 00:06
Bro Demogoblin

Here is my latest setup

Dynaudio Audience 122
Nait XS2
CD5XS
HiCap DR connected directly to Nait XS2

Regards


Make my heart itchy for CD player leh you lol


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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: black hawk on October 24, 2016, 09:35
Bro Demogoblin

Here is my latest setup

Dynaudio Audience 122
Nait XS2
CD5XS
HiCap DR connected directly to Nait XS2

Regards

Bro. You bought an xs2 recently. That was very fast. Can share your findings. Btw, i am using the atc 7 ver3. Enjoy!
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Yubaba on October 24, 2016, 09:57
Bro Black Hawk

i have the same findings as you but i do not recall any missing for the mid portion. I can say my setup is much more musical as before

You can bring your cds and test on my setup, then we sit down and listen. We can test how Nait XS2+HiCap DR performanc on movies as well.

Regards
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Jose on October 25, 2016, 09:17
Thanks for the speaker suggestions. Can I drop by to listen to your systems?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: nautilus on October 25, 2016, 13:37
Forgotten to tell you, there are bros who do not switch off their naim gears too

That's right.  You should leave your naim equipment permanently powered up.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Jose on October 25, 2016, 14:15
Me too.

That's right.  You should leave your naim equipment permanently powered up.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: virtueblue on October 25, 2016, 16:20
I used to keep my equipment perpetually on but these days I prefer to switch them off as I dont know when will I be using it the next time.. It may be tomorrow or it may be next weekend or it may even be 2 weeks later.

Hence with the rising cost of electric bills, I decided to switch it off and only turn it on when I need it. However I totally agree that the whole system requires some time to heat up so that it will reach its optimal performance. This is in fact similar to all other brands of equipment.

It took me about half hour to get the system sounds best to me, taking away the edginess of the music.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on October 25, 2016, 16:50
Me too.
Me three

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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Yubaba on October 25, 2016, 17:27
I also did power up my system for 30 mins before starting to listen to my music
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: black hawk on October 25, 2016, 19:08
Can just leave the psu on and the rest of the gears off? Will this method be better?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: virtueblue on October 25, 2016, 20:11
depending what naim products you use but I presume if you turn on the PSU the equipment should be on? At least this is my experience as my equipment all require PSU and no equipment can accept IEC powercord, all receive current through the Burndy.

Anyway what I understand from some of the experts is that when the equipment is turned on, the capacitor within is charged up and when you turn it off, the capacitor will discharge. So technically if you only keep the PSU on but not the equipment, the capacitor in the equipment will not be charged and it will take time to charge the capacitor when you turn on the equipment.

I may be wrong but this is always my understanding.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: black hawk on October 26, 2016, 19:38
Does anyone know where to buy the wiremold power strips for naim eqpt? Many thanks
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: nautilus on October 26, 2016, 22:27
Are you referring to Wireworld matrix 2?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: gluttony on October 26, 2016, 22:32
wiremould is different from wireworld
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: black hawk on October 26, 2016, 22:41
Recommended for naim eqpts. Wiremold
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: gluttony on October 26, 2016, 22:50
Wiremold L10320 was recommended by naim USA
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: black hawk on October 26, 2016, 22:53
So is US plugs. Sigh...
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on October 26, 2016, 23:11
Wireworld matrix 2 is pretty good. Can consider that too

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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: black hawk on October 26, 2016, 23:21
I am lazy to replace my original naim pc with US plugs. Is it available in UK plugs?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on October 26, 2016, 23:23
Wireworld matrix 2 is in UK plug

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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: black hawk on October 26, 2016, 23:25
Thanks bro. Will search for more info on the distributor
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on October 26, 2016, 23:27
Distributor is coherence audio

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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: nautilus on October 27, 2016, 03:41
Any i
Distributor is coherence audio

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Their opening hours seems erratic. Last I checked they only open a couple of hours a day.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on October 27, 2016, 06:10
Any i
Their opening hours seems erratic. Last I checked they only open a couple of hours a day.

I will usually go around 1400 hours to play safe.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Yubaba on October 27, 2016, 09:21
Bro Demogoblin

Which powercord should i get for my wireworld Matrix 2?

thanks
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: nautilus on October 27, 2016, 11:15
I will usually go around 1400 hours to play safe.

I called them several times at 1400hrs but no one answered until about 3pm. They seem to be opened only from 3-6pm which is a really narrow timing.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: nautilus on October 27, 2016, 11:16
Bro Demogoblin

Which powercord should i get for my wireworld Matrix 2?

thanks

A Powerline?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on October 27, 2016, 11:16
Bro Demogoblin

Which powercord should i get for my wireworld Matrix 2?

thanks
Hi bro yubaba I used a PowerLine. Makes a world of a difference

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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Yubaba on October 27, 2016, 11:54
Bro Demogoblin

Powerline connects directly to Wireworld Matrix 2?

Thanks
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on October 27, 2016, 12:13
Yes from Wall socket to Wireworld matrix2

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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Yubaba on October 27, 2016, 18:35
Bro Demogoblin

Thanks for your help, i have a brand new Wireworld Matrix 2 lying in my store room for 3 yrs :)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: drzero on October 27, 2016, 20:47
i also use power line into wire world matrix 2

my optical toslink from my TV into nDAC also wireworld (super nova 6), they make some decent stuff
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: nautilus on October 27, 2016, 21:20
How's the wireworld matrix 2 compared to other power strips? I've contemplated getting one for a long time but I've not gotten down to buying it yet.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kmchow98 on October 28, 2016, 11:46
It's a very sturdy multiway extension brick that isn't high priced. No gimmick, no flashy lights or switches, no filtering. Which is ideal for Naim gear.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Infestedfred on October 29, 2016, 01:05
How much is wireworld matrix 2 selling in Singapore?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: scoobydoo on October 29, 2016, 08:29
Many years ago, I got it for around 150 if I recall correctly. Certainly no more than 200.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on October 29, 2016, 08:35
Ya the price is really reasonable.

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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Infestedfred on October 30, 2016, 15:45
Bro, how much is Naim Powerline nowadays?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on October 30, 2016, 23:38
Bro, how much is Naim Powerline nowadays?

Bro I think around 800++ but better check with Abs Sound.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: gluttony on November 03, 2016, 20:08
Naim bros, need your input for the opinions of hi line

thanks you
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: nautilus on November 03, 2016, 22:34
Naim bros, need your input for the opinions of hi line

thanks you

Skip it and go for SL.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: gluttony on November 04, 2016, 11:03
If i have CD555, I will buy SL :)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: virtueblue on November 04, 2016, 11:39
There are many cable options out there and it depends if you are open and willing to try them out.

I am very satisfied with my system with no Naim cables. I find it irony for a company who strongly does not believe in cables and yet comes out with more and more exotic and expensive cables.

I was very lucky to hear different cables matched with my Naim system and gradually tune the system to my liking. Importantly I felt that we should not upgrade for the sake of upgrading. You must know what is the additional thing that you want to hear from your system, then slowly source for the right item. By going with a cable or accessory because others say its good will not necessary bring satisfaction to you. In the end you may end up spending more effort and money to get back the sound that you once liked.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: nautilus on November 04, 2016, 13:30
If i have CD555, I will buy SL :)


You don't have to reach the 500 series level to appreciate what the SL interconnects does. The difference between the Hiline and the standard Lavender is minor and sticking with either one is a matter of taste. In fact i jumped back to the standard Lavender IC after trying out the Hiline for a week (it was a well run in unit). The SL interconnect takes what the Lavender offers and cleans it up in all registers. You get the groove of the Lavendar but none of the haze associated with it. The performance lift is similar to a component upgrade. You may want to loan both and try it before deciding.

That being said, the SL speaker cables don't make that big a difference over the NACA5 and should be avoided unless you already have the SL interconnect and working towards a full loom.

As for third party cables, they seem to alter the sound and may sound exciting at first but ultimately when you swap back to Naim cables, you realise what you are missing and why you buy Naim in the first place. Naim doesn't do things for the sake of fashion and stuff needs to actually work before it's introduced to the market. It took a terribly long time before Hiline or SL was launched and the time span between both was something like 10 years.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Yubaba on November 04, 2016, 13:34
bro nautilus

thanks for your input, greatly appreciated
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Yubaba on November 07, 2016, 13:45
Do any bros here has tried to use System enhancer disc to tune your setup? Is there a need to de-magnetizing our setup?

thanks
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: nautilus on November 07, 2016, 16:08
Do any bros here has tried to use System enhancer disc to tune your setup? Is there a need to de-magnetizing our setup?

thanks


It's just a placebo effect. You get better mileage cleaning your plugs by plugging/unplugging them several times.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Yubaba on November 07, 2016, 18:32
Bro nautilus

Thanks you
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on November 24, 2016, 09:24
Bro nautilus

Thanks you
Or get a PowerLine. That one does improve sound. Makes my setup feels more detailed

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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: tropicana on November 24, 2016, 10:16
Hi guys...

I am thinking of setting a bedroom system.
Looking at Unitiqute or Unitilite.
For speakers, I have shortlisted Magnepan Mini or Falcon/ Stirling LS3/5a.

I listen to mainly jazz/ vocals and some classical.
I don't need deep bass in my system.



A little background:

I started with hifi about 10 years ago, owned various amps and speakers during this time.
Amp:  sophia electric baby replica, Jolida JD1000A, Nait 5i, Rega Brio, Nait 5i (again)
Speakers: SF Concerto Home, SF Cremona Auditors, Spendor 3/5, Harbeth C7

Somehow i keep gravitating back towards the "BBC sound", if you will. 
Generally, Falcon, Harbeth, Spendor, Richard Allan all sound right to me.  Haven't heard the Strilings but am quite sure it is not that far off from those mentioned.
The rest of the speakers, regardless of value, is just OK... impressive yes, accurate yes, but just not captivating... i hate to use the word "musical" because it is defined different depending on the person's taste... but yes... just sounds more musical and tonally right.

I noticed that most speakers try to cover the full range of freq bandwidth and in attempting to do so at a budget, most can't reproduce bass properly. Either that or the bass is not properly integrated with the rest of the bandwidth.  To me, i'd rather not have any deep bass than have poor bass.  Based on my limited experience, the only speaker that I heard with seamless bass integration is a full FM Acoustics setup.

IMO, most BBC inspired speakers have good mid-range and tonally correct to my ears especially when listening to piano/ vocals.  Falcon's can be a little dry (may be due to the amp) and Spendor is a little too laid back.  Harbeth seems to have a pretty good balance.  But generally all sound right to me.  LS3/5A soundstage and imaging capability is just astounding, reminds me very much about my SF Cremona Auditors. 

Another characteristic of the BBC sound is the bass hump which i read was introduced to make the bass seem more present given the speakers limited low freq capabilities.  Some think that the bass hump ought to be eliminated or reduced but to me I think it is necessary and very appealing to me especially for the type of music that I listen to. IMO the bass hump contributes to PRAT and some how, Naim amps just makes it better.

I am not sure what to expect of the Minis, but i did hear the 1.6 and 3.6 many years back. I vividly remember the large soundstage and the ribbon tweeters on the 3.6 is a significant step up from the 1.6.  I am considering the mini as it is based on the 3.7 (ribbon tweeters) and i am hoping to get a good soundstage and image.  Not sure how well will the 3 panels integrates the sound and how well will it reproduce the soundstage.  Perhaps, I could add another DWM.  Sadly, it seems difficult to get an audition for the minis... have been trying over the last 2 weeks.

Anyone who has experience with this combo?  Also. constructive comments also welcomed.
Thanks.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on November 24, 2016, 10:19
Did not have that but I had something similar dac v1 nap 100 and source Mac mini with speakers dynaudio x12. Quite a sweet setup I find especially if your room is small. Bass not over powering

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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on November 24, 2016, 15:58
Hi guys...

I am thinking of setting a bedroom system.
Looking at Unitiqute or Unitilite.
For speakers, I have shortlisted Magnepan Mini or Falcon/ Stirling LS3/5a.

I listen to mainly jazz/ vocals and some classical.
I don't need deep bass in my system.



A little background:

I started with hifi about 10 years ago, owned various amps and speakers during this time.
Amp:  sophia electric baby replica, Jolida JD1000A, Nait 5i, Rega Brio, Nait 5i (again)
Speakers: SF Concerto Home, SF Cremona Auditors, Spendor 3/5, Harbeth C7

Somehow i keep gravitating back towards the "BBC sound", if you will. 
Generally, Falcon, Harbeth, Spendor, Richard Allan all sound right to me.  Haven't heard the Strilings but am quite sure it is not that far off from those mentioned.
The rest of the speakers, regardless of value, is just OK... impressive yes, accurate yes, but just not captivating... i hate to use the word "musical" because it is defined different depending on the person's taste... but yes... just sounds more musical and tonally right.

I noticed that most speakers try to cover the full range of freq bandwidth and in attempting to do so at a budget, most can't reproduce bass properly. Either that or the bass is not properly integrated with the rest of the bandwidth.  To me, i'd rather not have any deep bass than have poor bass.  Based on my limited experience, the only speaker that I heard with seamless bass integration is a full FM Acoustics setup.

IMO, most BBC inspired speakers have good mid-range and tonally correct to my ears especially when listening to piano/ vocals.  Falcon's can be a little dry (may be due to the amp) and Spendor is a little too laid back.  Harbeth seems to have a pretty good balance.  But generally all sound right to me.  LS3/5A soundstage and imaging capability is just astounding, reminds me very much about my SF Cremona Auditors. 

Another characteristic of the BBC sound is the bass hump which i read was introduced to make the bass seem more present given the speakers limited low freq capabilities.  Some think that the bass hump ought to be eliminated or reduced but to me I think it is necessary and very appealing to me especially for the type of music that I listen to. IMO the bass hump contributes to PRAT and some how, Naim amps just makes it better.

I am not sure what to expect of the Minis, but i did hear the 1.6 and 3.6 many years back. I vividly remember the large soundstage and the ribbon tweeters on the 3.6 is a significant step up from the 1.6.  I am considering the mini as it is based on the 3.7 (ribbon tweeters) and i am hoping to get a good soundstage and image.  Not sure how well will the 3 panels integrates the sound and how well will it reproduce the soundstage.  Perhaps, I could add another DWM.  Sadly, it seems difficult to get an audition for the minis... have been trying over the last 2 weeks.

Anyone who has experience with this combo?  Also. constructive comments also welcomed.
Thanks.

I used to have a uq2 driving harbeth shl5. Very decent control and volume level. PRAT and musicality still in abundance. I added a nap 100 and soundfield widen with a fuller low freq.
I concur with the bass hump effect and love it.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: tropicana on November 24, 2016, 16:42
Nice Setup kaydee6.

I had the 5i and C7 for four years. It is the longest combo that I owned since i started out.
My plan is to add a power tube amp to the Qute2 in time to come if I'm going with the LS3/5A.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on November 24, 2016, 17:39
I suggest get the Atom and a nap 100
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on December 16, 2016, 23:32
Who's getting new naim equipment for Christmas ?:)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kmchow98 on December 17, 2016, 07:39
Nope. Would be interested to read the reviews of the new unit series.
While I like naim, I don't like too many boxes.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: BlurRhino on December 17, 2016, 11:31
Who's getting new naim equipment for Christmas ?:)

Provided stocks arrived before Christmas.. Which I don't think so. Last I check absolute sound say it's coming in 2017
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: scoobydoo on December 17, 2016, 21:19
Just got myself a SL2 not too long ago... Loving it.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: nautilus on December 18, 2016, 21:57
I've added a 552DR a few months ago. It's running in nicely for Christmas, ;)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: scoobydoo on December 26, 2016, 19:30
Did not have that but I had something similar dac v1 nap 100 and source Mac mini with speakers dynaudio x12. Quite a sweet setup I find especially if your room is small. Bass not over powering

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Hi demogoblin,
U r selling your entire system? What happened if I may ask?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: richieleo on February 07, 2017, 09:47
I was reading elsewhere on this forum and came across the Sonus Faber thread. Saw these gorgeous speakers.

https://parttimeaudiophile.com/2017/02/05/world-of-mcintosh-listening-to-the-sonus-faber-guarneri-tradition/#prettyPhoto

Anyone has any experience with Sonus Faber speakers and Naim systems?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on February 07, 2017, 10:45
I paired a sonus Faber Cremona auditor with a nap250 and nac282 in the past. Did not really like the sound. Find it lacking of bass. When I switched it to my dynaudio f160 the sound was much better

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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: richieleo on February 10, 2017, 12:36
If anyone here is selling Fraim or Fraim lite shelves, please contact me @ 90302882.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: scoobydoo on February 13, 2017, 20:18
Nice..! What's the rest of your system?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: richieleo on February 13, 2017, 20:31
Nice..! What's the rest of your system?

NAC 282 (with one HiCap DR with Powerline)
NAP 250.2 (with powerline) NDX with XPS2 DR (with powerline)
Uniti Core and Synology D415play for ripping and streaming
Focal Utopia Diablo with NAC-A5 cables.
Wireworld Matrix 2 with powerline to wall socket.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: scoobydoo on February 13, 2017, 20:42
Sorry. It was all in your signature...
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Infestedfred on March 03, 2017, 09:41
Currently I'm using NDX with XPS, together with 282, 250DR. Was thinking whether i will get sound improvement if I were to invest in a ndac.
Opinions?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on March 03, 2017, 09:59
Currently I'm using NDX with XPS, together with 282, 250DR. Was thinking whether i will get sound improvement if I were to invest in a ndac.
Opinions?
No point. Trade in and get a NDS since you have the XPS.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: richieleo on March 03, 2017, 10:00
Currently I'm using NDX with XPS, together with 282, 250DR. Was thinking whether i will get sound improvement if I were to invest in a ndac.
Opinions?

The answer is yes. An Ndac will bring the NDX closer to the NDS. I myself considered doing the same but after consideration, I decided to bite the bullet and got an NDS. My NDX was fairly new and I got it pre owned. When I factored in the cost of an Ndac, I decided that in the long run, I might as well get the NDS. So that's what I did. No regrets. In the future, I will upgrade my XPS to a 555PS (don't know when that would be though.  :) )
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Infestedfred on March 03, 2017, 10:02
The answer is yes. An Ndac will bring the NDX closer to the NDS. I myself considered doing the same but after consideration, I decided to bite the bullet and got an NDS. My NDX was fairly new and I got it pre owned. When I factored in the cost of an Ndac, I decided that in the long run, I might as well get the NDS. So that's what I did. No regrets. In the future, I will upgrade my XPS to a 555PS (don't know when that would be though.  :) )
Hmm... may I know how much is a NDS selling in Singapore?


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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on March 03, 2017, 10:07
Wow you got a xps Dr?

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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: richieleo on March 03, 2017, 10:12
Hmm... may I know how much is a NDS selling in Singapore?


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I dropped you a PM.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: drzero on March 06, 2017, 14:26
The answer is yes. An Ndac will bring the NDX closer to the NDS. I myself considered doing the same but after consideration, I decided to bite the bullet and got an NDS. My NDX was fairly new and I got it pre owned. When I factored in the cost of an Ndac, I decided that in the long run, I might as well get the NDS. So that's what I did. No regrets. In the future, I will upgrade my XPS to a 555PS (don't know when that would be though.  :) )

nDAC user here - Love it
I wish I can afford the NDS haha!
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Infestedfred on March 11, 2017, 15:48
Anyone can recommend me good alternative rack for Naim other than original Naim Fraim, which I can get it from Singapore or maybe Taobao?
Can't afford Naim Fraim at this moment..
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: richieleo on March 11, 2017, 15:49
Anyone can recommend me good alternative rack for Naim other than original Naim Fraim, which I can get it from Singapore or maybe Taobao?
Can't afford Naim Fraim at this moment..

Why not try Fraim lite? It's basically the Fraim but without the glass. It's half the price.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Infestedfred on March 11, 2017, 15:51
If I were to put 5 pieces of My Naim equipment, how much do I need to fork out for the Naim Fraim lite?


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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: richieleo on March 11, 2017, 15:54
If I were to put 5 pieces of My Naim equipment, how much do I need to fork out for the Naim Fraim lite?


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Don't really know...I expect between 2-3K? I know that 1 level costs about $500. They sell in packs of 2 and the base would be little more than the levels.  Best check with ABS.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: desee on March 15, 2017, 07:20
Any superuniti user ? What speaker your use it with?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: seeyoudownthere on March 23, 2017, 07:47
Hi all!  New on the board and reading with intrigue.
Someone is offering me a NAP 90/NAC92 plus NACA5s' but trouble is no idea what speakers to pair with. Any suggestions on budget say no more than $1k? Msic preferences all genres excl dance/house/rap.
Room is 4.9 x 6.5 at the widest with rugs plus large fabric sofa. Prefer speakers to be placed as close to back wall as possible, cannot stick out more than 40cm. Thx!
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Natara on April 12, 2017, 13:49
Hi I know the Quadraspire is quite popular on the Naim Forum over here in the U.K, the more expensive bamboo version but also the standard version are both supposed to sound very good.
Anyone can recommend me good alternative rack for Naim other than original Naim Fraim, which I can get it from Singapore or maybe Taobao?
Can't afford Naim Fraim at this moment..
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: ryder on April 16, 2017, 20:14
Does anybody here use Taoc ASRII or the top-of-the-line CSR for Naim gear? The Naim Fraim is not only costly but the design, looks and build quality don't quite appeal to me.

Is the Taoc good for Naim? Has anybody compared the ASR II to the CSR? It's all quite confusing with 3 types of Taoc audio boards all having the same functions.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: pathetichindsight on May 08, 2017, 11:49
hi guys my naim cd5xs cdp stopped reading cds. should i bring to absolute sound to fix or anyone u guys can recommend? thanks.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: richieleo on May 08, 2017, 11:52
hi guys my naim cd5xs cdp stopped reading cds. should i bring to absolute sound to fix or anyone u guys can recommend? thanks.

Yes. Bring it to ABS especially if you bought it from them.


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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: xerox on May 08, 2017, 12:19
hi guys my naim cd5xs cdp stopped reading cds. should i bring to absolute sound to fix or anyone u guys can recommend? thanks.

Changing lens at ABS will be costly, I suggest you to go to find Mivec to replace the lens. My CDX2 lens was replaced by him, good job done.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: pathetichindsight on May 08, 2017, 16:05
ok found his contact.. tks!

Changing lens at ABS will be costly, I suggest you to go to find Mivec to replace the lens. My CDX2 lens was replaced by him, good job done.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: scoobydoo on May 09, 2017, 14:48
ABS gets their parts direct from Naim UK. And afaik, the parts from Naim UK are specifically tested to a strict tolerance level.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on May 09, 2017, 15:11
ABS gets their parts direct from Naim UK. And afaik, the parts from Naim UK are specifically tested to a strict tolerance level.

I agree and would go back to absolute sound for service and repair.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: richieleo on May 11, 2017, 10:37
I am considering selling my XPS DR (upgrading). If anyone is interested, let me know.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Infestedfred on May 11, 2017, 10:38
I am considering selling my XPS DR (upgrading). If anyone is interested, let me know.

Thanks.
Interested.
Pls pm me the details.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: richieleo on May 11, 2017, 11:03
Interested.
Pls pm me the details.

Dropped you a PM.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: nautilus on May 12, 2017, 17:14
Changing lens at ABS will be costly, I suggest you to go to find Mivec to replace the lens. My CDX2 lens was replaced by him, good job done.

I've previously changed the transport mechanism on my old CDX using a third party outside. Although the track skips were mostly resolved, there were still some skips occasionally. Proves that the transports that Naim get are slightly different.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: xerox on May 12, 2017, 20:52
I've previously changed the transport mechanism on my old CDX using a third party outside. Although the track skips were mostly resolved, there were still some skips occasionally. Proves that the transports that Naim get are slightly different.

Haven't encountered any skip after replacement for my CDX2 and it had been few years now thus recommended Mivec. Also VAM1250/VAM1202 are common transports and I personally don't see whats the different between the one I get out there vs Naim.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: nautilus on May 12, 2017, 22:33
Haven't encountered any skip after replacement for my CDX2 and it had been few years now thus recommended Mivec. Also VAM1250/VAM1202 are common transports and I personally don't see whats the different between the one I get out there vs Naim.

Well you could be the lucky one or I could've been the unlucky one. In any case although I agree that the components are largely the same, naim does put them through a rigorous selection process to eliminate lesser components that don't make the mark. That's where most of the cost go into when you buy a naim.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: xerox on May 12, 2017, 22:48
Well you could be the lucky one or I could've been the unlucky one. In any case although I agree that the components are largely the same, naim does put them through a rigorous selection process to eliminate lesser components that don't make the mark. That's where most of the cost go into when you buy a naim.

I am not not sure if luck play a big part pertaining the to the Len replacement when my previous 5i and other CD2X all works fine after replacement. This applies to my other CDP as well.

I am just providing an option for Bro pathetichindsight, of course he can choose to go back to agent if he don't feel comfortable with alternative.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: nautilus on May 13, 2017, 16:45
I am not not sure if luck play a big part pertaining the to the Len replacement when my previous 5i and other CD2X all works fine after replacement. This applies to my other CDP as well.

I am just providing an option for Bro pathetichindsight, of course he can choose to go back to agent if he don't feel comfortable with alternative.


Of course. The cost of repairs from AS is easily 3x the price compared to other options.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: heuer on May 13, 2017, 19:36
Other than the parts, the person doing the repair is critical as well. I have my fair share of so call agent doing a sloppy job yet charge an arm and a leg. For me once i identify a good technician i will continue going back to the same person, that applies to my hifi, cars and watches.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: naimster on May 14, 2017, 19:33
If it's critical components like power transistors which requires matching I would believe naim doing hand picking but transport...nah. If you get the entire mech then there's a high chance there's no adjustment required but if you're getting a only laser pick up then surely it needs some adjustment in focusing and laser power adjustment.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: richieleo on May 18, 2017, 10:53
Guys,

Do any of you have any recommendations to an alternative to the Naim DC-1 BNC cable?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: pathetichindsight on May 25, 2017, 14:32
Hi guys i have replaced the lens with Mivec and am happy with the service. i did not do a serious listen cos now its not my main cdp but sounds fine to my ears in my bedroom setpup. happy!
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: virtueblue on May 25, 2017, 14:43
I used to engage his services to replace my transport for my CDS2 too and I thought it was a job very well done. So much so that I felt it was an upgrade after the transport replacement.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Infestedfred on August 29, 2017, 11:34
Planning to let go my 2015 Naim XPSDr. Have posted the selling thread at Planet Audio Equipment Sales thread.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: drzero on August 29, 2017, 14:11
Planning to let go my 2015 Naim XPSDr. Have posted the selling thread at Planet Audio Equipment Sales thread.

changing to 555 ps dr?  ;D
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: richieleo on August 29, 2017, 14:12
changing to 555 ps dr?  ;D

555PS is a whole different level!


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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: malsound on December 19, 2017, 18:47
http://www.youtube.com/v/ore39NFEMFw&fs=1
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: malsound on December 19, 2017, 18:50
http://www.youtube.com/v/6KoM3AYDQjc&fs=1
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: malsound on December 19, 2017, 19:19
http://www.youtube.com/v/1YuVX9nPl0E&fs=1
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: richieleo on December 19, 2017, 23:27
Why is it so “dam hard” to understand what you are trying to say? 😜
http://www.youtube.com/v/1YuVX9nPl0E&fs=1
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: SBC666 on December 24, 2017, 22:24
Hi, anyone know the street price of Naim Uniti Nova. Just happen to hear the system pair with dynaudio from my friend house. He bought and hand carry back from U.K direct last month. Anyone?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on December 24, 2017, 23:52
i suggest you check with Absolute Sound.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: drzero on December 24, 2017, 23:55
Hi, anyone know the street price of Naim Uniti Nova. Just happen to hear the system pair with dynaudio from my friend house. He bought and hand carry back from U.K direct last month. Anyone?

current rrp is $6.4K but I heard from next week (2018) will increase
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: SBC666 on December 25, 2017, 12:00
Thanks for the reply😊..Will check the price here in Singapore before deciding. Gonna get myself a Nova & Core and probably a new set of speakers.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: ref3706 on May 07, 2018, 19:51
Hi guys i have replaced the lens with Mivec and am happy with the service. i did not do a serious listen cos now its not my main cdp but sounds fine to my ears in my bedroom setpup. happy!

Hi, able to share the contact? Thx!!


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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Chowbotak on September 08, 2018, 10:10
Guys, those of u who are using Naim streamers, do u have any issues getting the Naim app to connect to yr streamers? I just got a used NDX and this is the main issue I have with it. Am using wireless connection at the moment.  No problem playing from thumb drives or using it as a DAC thru optical. Havent connect an Nas yet. Absolute newbie here  ;D
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Chowbotak on September 14, 2018, 09:29
Hmm I suppose most users don't have any issues cos I don't see any issues posted here 
except mine ;D
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on September 14, 2018, 11:03
Hmm I suppose most users don't have any issues cos I don't see any issues posted here 
except mine ;D

I never had any issue when using the NDX.

Try writing to Naim. They are very helpful and they response pretty quickly.

I had not used NDX for a few years so I can't really help. I know a few NDX users from this forum, maybe they can comment soon.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on September 14, 2018, 11:30
Ex ndx user here. Forget about wifi and connect direct lan cable. The wifi is pretty hopeless.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Chowbotak on September 14, 2018, 15:18
Alrighto bros. Thanks! Wiring up soon!
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kensonus on September 14, 2018, 15:56
Hi guys i have replaced the lens with Mivec and am happy with the service. i did not do a serious listen cos now its not my main cdp but sounds fine to my ears in my bedroom setpup. happy!

can have Mivec contact as couldn't find the his user name here
Thanks
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: drzero on September 14, 2018, 17:38
Alrighto bros. Thanks! Wiring up soon!

use a good quality CAT7 cable, i have friends who go crazy with high end lan cables and linear PSU for their network CISCO  switches, I use mid-level lan cat7 Cable can alredy  ;D
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on September 14, 2018, 18:55
Alrighto bros. Thanks! Wiring up soon!

Maybe get a cheap UTP ethernet cable. It's unshielded. It comes free most of the time or will cost less than $2-3. This should be a good bet.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: nautilus on September 14, 2018, 22:57
You can proper certified Tyco or telegartner cat6a shielded SFTP cables for less than $10 new. No need to resort to exotics.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Chowbotak on September 15, 2018, 13:35
Yeah I'll most probably not go for exotics. I'm more of a music lover than an audiophile, lucky me! ;D
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: scubafink on December 02, 2018, 12:55
Looking to Buy NAIM NAP 250.2 or NAP 250DR in Singapore.  Anyone interested to sell? WhatsApp 9297five9six1
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: zephyr11 on January 03, 2019, 09:04
does the muso count? lol...

either way, i've just got one, planning to install at new place end of the mth. anything i should look out for?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: silencer13 on January 07, 2019, 11:10
Question for Naim users here, any recommendations for power cords and interconnects for a Naim Nait XS?

I understand that the power cord that came with the Naim is the recommended one, but when I bought it, it didn't come with the power cord. Any suitable alternative?

For interconnect, should I use a DIN-to-RCA or RCA-to-RCA?

My first Naim, and seems everything is so different.  :)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Doggie Howser on January 07, 2019, 11:20
DIN
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Instek_88 on January 07, 2019, 11:56
Question for Naim users here, any recommendations for power cords and interconnects for a Naim Nait XS?

I understand that the power cord that came with the Naim is the recommended one, but when I bought it, it didn't come with the power cord. Any suitable alternative?

For interconnect, should I use a DIN-to-RCA or RCA-to-RCA?

My first Naim, and seems everything is so different.  :)

(1) Just use their cheapest standard Naim power cord. It should come "free" btw.

(2) DIN-to-RCA. Should be even better if you can use purely DIN-to-DIN interconnects.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: silencer13 on January 07, 2019, 12:25
Thanks for the replies.
The Naim is 2nd hand, and the seller didn't provide the power cords. So unfortunately I have to find alternatives.

Noted on the DIN, will look for that. I saw recommendations on the AR Green Link, is that still recommended?
http://www.ar-sound.com/GreenLink.html
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: nwl on March 07, 2019, 15:24
This might have been asked before but I can't find a definitive answer.  Other than the agent, are there any recommendations for someone who can recap a CB series ?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: badbad2000 on April 12, 2019, 20:01
Any opinion on nd5 xs2? 


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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Doggie Howser on April 13, 2019, 07:55
At the risk of losing my Naim dealership... go listen to the Lumin D2.

:D

Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: badbad2000 on April 13, 2019, 18:40
I did, but the shop insist only play sacd file for demo. Which i only use spotify.


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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Doggie Howser on April 14, 2019, 06:24
I did, but the shop insist only play sacd file for demo. Which i only use spotify.


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Seems a waste of using a good streamer to play MP3
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: kinger on April 14, 2019, 10:12
Hi, I'm thinking to get the unitilite. Can it use chromecast to stream deezer via wifi?
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: demogoblin on April 14, 2019, 10:14
Anyone paired a naim nd5 Xs with a ls50w before? I find that the in build dac on the ls50w not really to my liking

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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: AndrewC on April 14, 2019, 10:45
Hi, I'm thinking to get the unitilite. Can it use chromecast to stream deezer via wifi?

Don't think so. The front-panel USB port is for USB Flash with structured content, not streams. RTM (https://www.naimaudio.com/sites/default/files/products/downloads/files/Uniti%20Series%20Ref%20Manual%20Eng%20Rev%202D.pdf)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: badbad2000 on April 14, 2019, 14:41


Seems a waste of using a good streamer to play MP3

Ok, sound like lumin only sound good depends on good source.


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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Doggie Howser on April 14, 2019, 15:05
Ok, sound like lumin only sound good depends on good source.


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Sounds like the whole idea of high fidelity escapes some people.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: badbad2000 on April 14, 2019, 16:43
Sounds like the whole idea of high fidelity escapes some people.

Not all music made of high fidelity. There is a thing called musical.


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Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: Doggie Howser on April 14, 2019, 16:46
Not all music made of high fidelity. There is a thing called musical.


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Yes you can enjoy music from even a Bluetooth wireless speaker.

But if you are trying to achieve high fidelity with a good quality streamer, you should judge it on its ability to reproduce high quality sources.

If I evaluated every system using a lossy Bluetooth as my source, I wouldn’t bother getting past my phone and a pair of cheap IEMs.
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: wmania on April 15, 2019, 23:03
Where can I find DIN cables for Naim CDS3 in Singapore? I am looking to upgrade from my Chord Cobra cable.
Title: Re: Supernait 3 is out
Post by: TheMachinist on July 14, 2019, 17:46
https://www.stereonet.co.uk/features/first-impressions-naim-nait-xs3-and-supernait-3 (https://www.stereonet.co.uk/features/first-impressions-naim-nait-xs3-and-supernait-3)

(http://www.the-ear.net/sites/default/files/NAIT-XS-3-Connection-Panel.jpg)
(http://www.the-ear.net/sites/default/files/SUPERNAIT-3-Connection-Panel.jpg)
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: malsound on December 07, 2019, 20:08
http://www.youtube.com/v/kdgfkmRqvXs&fs=1
Title: Re: Naim Audio Thread
Post by: malsound on December 08, 2019, 13:06
http://www.youtube.com/v/nu_I4SDZyyc&fs=1