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Title: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on August 11, 2007, 02:03
PAUL TOMKINS: ROTATION TALK IS A MYTH (http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/NG156624070808-1304.htm)



GUILLEM BALAGUE ON OUR TITLE CHANCES (http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/NG156639070810-1449.htm)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: SiriuslyCold on August 28, 2007, 12:04
a different kind of Fernando Torres video clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZoqR3Q0B1c) (artists take note)

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y234/siriusc/spts/lfc/torres_artwork_macphisto.png)
Title: RAFA HITS BACK AT ALLARDYCE CLAIMS
Post by: Spunky on September 21, 2007, 13:40
RAFA HITS BACK AT ALLARDYCE CLAIMS

Rafael Benitez has hit back at Sam Allardyce after his ludicrous claims that the Liverpool manager is lucky to still have a job. 

Speaking in Zoo Magazine, the Newcastle boss insisted Benitez would have lost his job by now for his failure to win the Premier League had he not guided the Reds to two Champions League finals.
 
But Benitez has hit back and told Allardyce to mind his own business and concentrate on his own club.
 
He told Liverpoolfc.tv: "I want to say two things. Firstly, I think he should be more worried about his own business because he must have more problems than to waste time talking about other managers.
 
"Secondly, has he forgotten Liverpool winning the Super Cup, FA Cup and Champions League as well as reaching another Champions League final, a Carling Cup final and twice finishing third in the Premier League? Maybe he doesn't have a great memory."  


Title: Tomkins - Managers and misconceptions
Post by: lewlian on October 04, 2007, 10:40

Tomkins - Managers and misconceptions (http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/NG157184071003-1324.htm)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: lewlian on October 08, 2007, 22:17

SEARCHING FOR AN 'OLYMPIACOS MOMENT' (http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/NG157245071008-1501.htm)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: lewlian on December 04, 2007, 00:28

LUCKY, LUCKY LIVERPOOL? (http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/NG157905071203-1426.htm)
Title: Re: RAFA HITS BACK AT ALLARDYCE CLAIMS
Post by: armoury on December 04, 2007, 11:09
RAFA HITS BACK AT ALLARDYCE CLAIMS

Rafael Benitez has hit back at Sam Allardyce after his ludicrous claims that the Liverpool manager is lucky to still have a job. 

In contrast, what has Big Fat Sam won?  F**k all, I think.  So it's weird for Sam to criticize Rafa, who has I think earned the right to have some time to deliver the title, earning it with his ECL win and second final in three seasons (and the cups, but those are peripheral these days). 

The whole problem is the "right here, right now" mentality that boards all seem to have these days.  If ManYoo's board had that mindset back then, Fergie wouldn't have lasted the four years it took before he delivered the FA Cup (not even the title!), and the further three he needed before he finally won the title -- but look at them since! 
Title: LUCAS IMPRESSED BY DYNAMIC DUO
Post by: Spunky on December 05, 2007, 10:53
Quote from: Teamtalk
LUCAS IMPRESSED BY DYNAMIC DUO

Liverpool's young Brazilian star Lucas Leiva is relishing the chance to play alongside two colleagues he rates among the best in the world.

Lucas has been drafted into Liverpool's midfield in recent games late alongside skipper Steven Gerrard, and with record signing Fernando Torres in front of him.

The 20 year-old, who signed in the summer for £5million from Gremio, is rated in South America as the best Brazilian of his age group and he has adapted to the English game remarkably quickly.

And having Gerrard and Torres around to help him has been a key factor, he claims.

Lucas said: "It is fantastic playing alongside Steven Gerrard, he is among the best in the world. And to have Fernando up front - he too is one of the best in the game - as well is a dream for me."

Lucas has impressed in Liverpool's last two Premier League games against Newcastle and Bolton.

He said: "Stevie and I are obviously different players. I am younger and I am still learning and he is helping me a lot.

"When I play in midfield with him I have to play more of a holding role because he can go forward, create chances and score goals himself.

"Hopefully, when I have played more games and got more confidence I can go forward more myself.

"But I am happy just to be playing because I can learn from players like Steven.

"It is fantastic to play alongside him because he is one of the best players in the world.

"Hopefully, one day, I will be as good as he is but that is a long way away."

And Lucas is revelling in the fact that Torres, with 11 goals in 17 games, is proving already to be a success at Anfield.

Lucas added: "Fernando is a fantastic player and he can score a lot of goals. He is a very good striker and he can be the best striker in the world."

Lucas had proved to be a more than adequate understudy for Javier Mascherano, and has recently been given the chance to shine.

Liverpool are still trying desperately to tie down the Argentinian on a permanent contract, but if that proves to be too difficult Lucas could comfortably step into the role.

With that deal on hold until the club's American owners, Tom Hicks and George Gillett, have their much heralded meeting with boss Rafael Benitez later this month, there are concerns that Mascherano could slip through the net.

Both Barcelona and Juventus are monitoring the situation, and Liverpool know they must come up with £17million to make the loan deal permanent.

Whether the Americans will sanction that deal remains to be seen, and has been one of the main fears for Benitez as he has expressed his concerns about the club's transfer policy.

Lucas could end up as the beneficiary of any delays in that move, or even the loss of the player altogether.

For now he is just happy to be making his mark at his new club.

He said: "We are scoring a lot of goals at the moment and we have to keep that going.

"It is hard to say why it is happening at this time but the team is playing really well and we are creating plenty of chances.

"We have played really well in the last five or six games and the confidence is much better because we are scoring goals and winning but now we have to look forward to the next game."

With Benitez struggling to buy another player, I'm not sure if they can even keep Mascherano who now has a price tag of £17million !! >:(  Even if there's taker for Sissoko, they will prob only raise a fraction of the amt!

As for Lucas,  how is this boy?  Is he gonna be a bargain find?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: vieri on December 07, 2007, 13:58
With Benitez struggling to buy another player, I'm not sure if they can even keep Mascherano who now has a price tag of £17million !! >:(  Even if there's taker for Sissoko, they will prob only raise a fraction of the amt!

As for Lucas,  how is this boy?  Is he gonna be a bargain find?

Lucas is brilliant though he has to work on his situation awareness. I would rate him as high as Javier (my opinion) on the grounds that he's a better passer than Javier or even Momo.He can tackle, he can trap the ball pretty well & his distribution is not wasteful. Give him another few more years to "English-nized" him, he can be a valuable asset to his country, possessing both English physical strength & South American flair.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: lewlian on April 08, 2008, 13:37

Time to tip the balance (http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/NG159448080407-0938.htm)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: SiriuslyCold on April 08, 2008, 13:54
I like this one too

Why Torres Could be Best RED Ever (http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/NG159378080401-1005.htm)

... Due to Cristiano Ronaldo's stunning form, Torres' achievements in his debut season have been criminally overlooked. Compare his 21 League goals (with six games left) against four of the most successful foreign attackers to have moved to the Premiership.
 
In Ronaldo's first season at United he scored four League goals. The following season it was five. Didier Drogba's first two League totals at Chelsea were 10 and 12. Denis Bergkamp hit 11 in his first season for Arsenal and 12 in his second. And the great Thierry Henry managed 17 and 17, more than a few of which were penalties. All of those players except Bergkamp were arguably playing in better teams than Torres currently is. As were Keegan (whose first season haul at Anfield was nine), Dalglish (20) and Ian Rush (17).
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(full article (http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/NG159378080401-1005.htm))
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: THFCPM on April 08, 2008, 14:20
ahem ahem... Berbatov scored 12 league goals in his 1st season, and has already equalled that tally in the current season..... while playing in 'arguably'  :P  a weaker team at that.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: francis woo on April 08, 2008, 14:23
Bro, wud like to remind you that all the people you mentioned are strikers whereas CR is a winger.  For a winger who can score 36 scores and counting this season is already an achievement and a place in the history book............. :D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: SiriuslyCold on April 08, 2008, 15:02
 
ahem ahem... Berbatov scored 12 league goals in his 1st season

tell that to Brian Reade - he wrote the above article :P ;)

aduh..  we're not denying CR's achievement... or place in MU's history books. just that his exploits have overshadowed Torres' achievements. however CR is nowhere near polishing PeteGeorge Best's boots. not least because of his pouty face and childish attitude

Perhaps I erred in pasting a portion of the whole article - I would ask people to read the full thing before commenting
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: Spunky on April 08, 2008, 15:58
ahem ahem... Berbatov scored 12 league goals in his 1st season, and has already equalled that tally in the current season..... while playing in 'arguably'  :P  a weaker team at that.

he'll probably be in a different and stronger team next season!! ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: lewlian on April 08, 2008, 16:15

Good read indeed. Cheers for sharing. It has been a wonderful season just seeing Torres play (even for the pre-season game against Portsmouth in HK).
Title: Silver linings abound...
Post by: lewlian on May 02, 2008, 08:18
To put things in perspective...

Silver linings abound (http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/NG159787080501-1010.htm)
Title: Re: Silver linings abound...
Post by: armoury on May 02, 2008, 22:53
To put things in perspective...

Silver linings abound (http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/NG159787080501-1010.htm)

From the article:-
Quote
Regardless of who wins this year's final, no team in Europe has a better Champions League record than the Liverpool manager in Benítez's four years –– the Reds are joint-best with AC Milan, who have also won one of two finals, reached one further semi-final, and fallen at the last-16 stage since Benítez took charge.
 
If that's not progress for a club ailing in the UEFA Cup in 2003/04, I am utterly at a loss to suggest what is.

IMHO, a real challenge for the EPL. 

I'm no Scouser, but for the club with the most titles, to not win one for 18 years is, well,  unacceptable.  Sure, per the article, the number of points that Pool have finished behind the winners has reduced, but I'd be hard pressed to say that Rafa has ever seriously challenged for the title.  The writer notes that Pool have totalled more points in the last three seasons than Arsenal have, but that's a rather disingenuous way of arguing that Pool have moved forward -- it's more a sign of how Arsenal slipped the past few years, after the Invincibles season.  And this season Arsenal were in fact serious contenders for the title, until they imploded in March -- I don't think Pool can say the same.

Once upon a time that record of 18 titles looked unassailable.  Not any more : if ManYoo win it this season -- and they are narrow favourites to do so -- they go to 17 titles...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: SiriuslyCold on May 03, 2008, 13:00
we had a poooooooor run after that trashing of Derby - drawing against "lower" opposition. its typical of the malaise we've had in the last couple of years - dominating some games but unable to translate that into wins. hopefully we can improve on that score and not drop so many points.

Portsmouth (A)
Birmingham (H)
Wigan (H)
Boro (A)

Why Gareth Barry though? I thought we had trouble fitting in all those midfielders. what we need is a goalscorer - and they're asking for Crouch
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: yellowhandman on May 03, 2008, 13:20
Why Gareth Barry though? I thought we had trouble fitting in all those midfielders. what we need is a goalscorer - and they're asking for Crouch

Barry would be cheaper than completing the Mascherano transfer, I think. And Mascherano just seems to be trouble - it isn't just his foolish sending off against United, he was up to the same sarcastic whining against Chelski in the second leg.


Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: SiriuslyCold on May 03, 2008, 15:37
we can't buy Masch twice
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: liverpudian on May 03, 2008, 18:58
Barry would be cheaper than completing the Mascherano transfer, I think. And Mascherano just seems to be trouble - it isn't just his foolish sending off against United, he was up to the same sarcastic whining against Chelski in the second leg.
we can't buy Masch twice

He! He! Ya we already bought him in Feb this year iirc. Unlike torres, yet to be fully proven if it is money well spent though. But i'll say he's the best defensive midfielder in the current pool's squad. Like kuyt, can be relied on to give his 100% on the field (but like kuyt might not get the desired outcome though. ;))

Think barry is meant to replace alonso whose best spell in pool is clearly over & will likely be off-loaded next season. Given his good partnership with SG during the last few england matches in the euro qualifying round, guess rafa is hoping it'll be great to replicate that partnership at club level.

Btw wonder why is alonso considered a defensive midfielder? The guy cannot tackle for nuts & is always giving away free kicks with his clumsy/ill-timed tackles in dangerous area. IMO with his superb vision & ability to pick up a long-range pass, he is more a play-maker ie a defensive midfielder (eg masch) give alonso the ball after breaking up an attack & let him pick up a teammate with a defence-splitting/cross-field pass.

What do you guys think? What kind of player would you classify him as?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: yellowhandman on May 03, 2008, 22:31
we can't buy Masch twice

my mistake...thought you hadn't completed the purchase.

in that case, hope you're happy with him  ;D


Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: SiriuslyCold on May 04, 2008, 10:33
when he matures a bit he will be more than awesome; right now he's a bit hotheaded, but he's probably the best defensive midfielder in the league right now
Title: Re: Silver linings abound...
Post by: lewlian on May 04, 2008, 10:55
From the article:-
IMHO, a real challenge for the EPL. 

I'm no Scouser, but for the club with the most titles, to not win one for 18 years is, well,  unacceptable.  Sure, per the article, the number of points that Pool have finished behind the winners has reduced, but I'd be hard pressed to say that Rafa has ever seriously challenged for the title.  The writer notes that Pool have totalled more points in the last three seasons than Arsenal have, but that's a rather disingenuous way of arguing that Pool have moved forward -- it's more a sign of how Arsenal slipped the past few years, after the Invincibles season.  And this season Arsenal were in fact serious contenders for the title, until they imploded in March -- I don't think Pool can say the same.

Once upon a time that record of 18 titles looked unassailable.  Not any more : if ManYoo win it this season -- and they are narrow favourites to do so -- they go to 17 titles...

Club form over a season or more is just like the financial markets. There'll be ups and downs so in a nutshell if Liverpool can 'close' the gap on the top 3 year on year, it can be considered an improvement irrespective if any one club implodes or otherwise. It doesn't matter.

It is nevertheless true and frustrating with regards to being static on 18 titles and not one EPL to boot but cest la vie. The past couple of years is definitely a much better improvement in terms of progress than before, qualitatively or quantitatively, no one can argue that.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: Spunky on May 05, 2008, 12:50
barry would be a great player to have....but on the downside, he's already 27! :(
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: lewlian on May 05, 2008, 13:00

I couldn't figure out why we needed another midfielder too especially for the price/age. Some quarters did mention he is left footed so not sure how much weight that is going to help to be honest. Perhaps some stats on assists/attacks/goals for him may surface.  :P
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: yellowhandman on May 05, 2008, 14:19
there seems to be a perception that liverpool are just one or two players away from challenging for the premiership title, provided either rafa learns to manage for league success or you get a manager who knows how to win the title.

frankly, i don't think this liverpool squad is even close to winning a championship. if they do make it to 3rd, it will be because arsenal falls apart.

simple experiment - how many of the liverpool players would be good enough to be a regular first-choice for united, chelski or arsenal? how many would even be regular squad players?

from a united perspective, i'd take only torres and maybe gerard, although stevie boy has looked more and more jaded as time goes by - he's clearly tired out by carrying liverpool fc on his back.


Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: SiriuslyCold on May 05, 2008, 14:38
ooo, wes brown over jamie carragher? LOL

to me the whole has to be more than the sum of its parts... so a head to head isn't really relevant
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: lewlian on May 05, 2008, 15:03

LOL. Some dudes sure get carried away eh what with the league title so near at hand.

I wouldn't even insult Fergie/Grant/Wenger doing the player by player comparison as SC rightly pointed out. Too many star players and what do you get... Real Madrid and Barca to but name two glaring examples.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: armoury on May 05, 2008, 15:20
frankly, i don't think this liverpool squad is even close to winning a championship. if they do make it to 3rd, it will be because arsenal falls apart.

Already mathematically impossible, even before this weekend's games. At the same time, Pool's 4th place was also already certain as Everton were too far behind, even before losing this weekend.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: yellowhandman on May 05, 2008, 16:19
ooo, wes brown over jamie carragher? LOL

to me the whole has to be more than the sum of its parts... so a head to head isn't really relevant

brown isn't united's first choice centre back.

but given your 'sum of the parts' argument, the comparison would be carragher/hyppia/agger vs vidic/rio/brown actually (three regular centre backs to choose two). and i'd take the united trio anyday. carragher is a 30 year old who plays like he's already 35 - looks tired the moment he steps onto the pitch.


Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: yellowhandman on May 05, 2008, 16:20
Already mathematically impossible, even before this weekend's games. At the same time, Pool's 4th place was also already certain as Everton were too far behind, even before losing this weekend.

i was referring to next season, actually. it's only gooners who were still banking on mathematical miracles this season, before this weekend...  ;D

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: Spunky on May 05, 2008, 16:23
I couldn't figure out why we needed another midfielder too especially for the price/age. Some quarters did mention he is left footed so not sure how much weight that is going to help to be honest. Perhaps some stats on assists/attacks/goals for him may surface.  :P

Same thoughts here!  With him at 27 and SG at 28, they have at most 2 good seasons to go but I believe they have already peaked last 1 or 2 seasons.  I wld rather they buy someone more expensive but younger and more iconic (sells more shirt mah!) ;D.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: lewlian on May 05, 2008, 16:46
brown isn't united's first choice centre back.

but given your 'sum of the parts' argument, the comparison would be carragher/hyppia/agger vs vidic/rio/brown actually (three regular centre backs to choose two). and i'd take the united trio anyday. carragher is a 30 year old who plays like he's already 35 - looks tired the moment he steps onto the pitch.




Liverpool's first 3 CBs are Carragher/Agger/Skrtel now and I wouldn't trade them for any of yours too. Looks to me doesn't matter so long as his legs and heart are willing.  ;)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: yellowhandman on May 05, 2008, 17:57
Liverpool's first 3 CBs are Carragher/Agger/Skrtel now and I wouldn't trade them for any of yours too. Looks to me doesn't matter so long as his legs and heart are willing.  ;)

btw lewlian...congrats on your 3000th post!


Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: armoury on May 05, 2008, 20:43
btw lewlian...congrats on your 3000th post!

And you are 1 shy of your 1,000th...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: Darthfunk on May 05, 2008, 21:18
btw lewlian...congrats on your 3000th post!




Now say 1000!
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: SiriuslyCold on May 06, 2008, 19:59
back on topic...

Liverpool's Six Shooters (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0500liverpoolfc/0100news/tm_headline=anfield-8217-s-six-shooters-put-liverpool-s-critics-in-firing-line%26method=full%26objectid=20858075%26siteid=50061-name_page.html)

"HAVING derided them as a one-man team for much of the past decade, Liverpool's detractors have now got them down as little more than a Steven Gerrard-Fernando Torres double act.

Such has been the deadly duo's wondrous form this season it is easy to paint a picture of a team which owes its every victory to them.

But should Liverpool's critics be interested in allowing the facts to get in the way of a good story a glance at the goalscoring charts would be enough to disabuse them of this misleading notion.

For the first time since the double winning season of 1985/86, no fewer than six Liverpool players have hit double figures in all competitions... (more (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0500liverpoolfc/0100news/tm_headline=anfield-8217-s-six-shooters-put-liverpool-s-critics-in-firing-line%26method=full%26objectid=20858075%26siteid=50061-name_page.html))
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: lewlian on May 07, 2008, 10:35
btw lewlian...congrats on your 3000th post!




had not noticed... gee the missus will surely think i've got too much time on my hands...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: yellowhandman on May 07, 2008, 14:08
had not noticed... gee the missus will surely think i've got too much time on my hands...

your missus also checks out XP? otherwise how will she know?


Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: lewlian on May 07, 2008, 14:22

well she probably can guess from the amount of time I spent at the pc or watching/talking footie/HT . LOL.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: yellowhandman on May 07, 2008, 14:39
well she probably can guess from the amount of time I spent at the pc or watching/talking footie/HT . LOL.

I'm sure she's happy you spend your time doing those things, instead of other things.


Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: SiriuslyCold on July 01, 2008, 12:12
"Torres took time off from celebrating in Spain’s dressing room to send text messages to friends and team-mates on Merseyside, thanking them for helping him land his first major trophy."

(full story (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1030603/Torres-snubs-Chelsea-puts-success-Liverpool.html))

decent chap, sounds like.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: blackburn on July 01, 2008, 12:39
he knows where he really belongs
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: SiriuslyCold on July 01, 2008, 13:51
http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid958992159?bctid=1640103022
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: lewlian on July 01, 2008, 15:49
"Torres took time off from celebrating in Spain’s dressing room to send text messages to friends and team-mates on Merseyside, thanking them for helping him land his first major trophy."

(full story (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1030603/Torres-snubs-Chelsea-puts-success-Liverpool.html))

decent chap, sounds like.


Class act.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: Luv4nature on July 02, 2008, 09:31
Another indication of his integrity-- I've never seen him dive in the box, unlike Drogba, Ronaldo and many others  ;)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: Spunky on July 02, 2008, 09:36
Villa have tagged Barry at GBP18M!! ::) and more surprisingly, it was reported that Liverpool had offered GBP15M!! :o  It doesn't make any sense coz they are not going to get anywhere near that amt for Alonso who is also a couple of yrs younger!! ???
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: SiriuslyCold on July 02, 2008, 14:41
Barry's "English" ... (well, doh!! that shouldn't add to his price, but it does)

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: SiriuslyCold on July 02, 2008, 14:51
Friendly Schedule:
July 12 @ TampinesTranmere Rovers
July 16 @ FC Lucerne
July 19 @ Wisla Krakow
July 22 @ Hertha Berlin
July 30 @ Villarreal
Aug 2 @ Glasgow Rangers
Aug 5 @ Vålerenga
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: lewlian on July 02, 2008, 18:25

SC, LOL. If indeed it was Tampines Rovers I would have flown back just for it.

Spunky, there is no logic when it comes to pricing for English players. Well except when we are selling...  :P
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: kelso on July 02, 2008, 19:15
Wow Liverpool is offering up Crouchie + 5mil for Robbie Keane  :o
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: Spunky on July 02, 2008, 20:30
Wow Liverpool is offering up Crouchie + 5mil for Robbie Keane  :o

talking about crouch, people can pay GBP16.5M for darren bent who was not a england regular, no CL experience, with a small time club...and crouch at GBP15M (or was it 12M?) is considered expensive!! ::)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: armoury on July 03, 2008, 15:10
Spunky, there is no logic when it comes to pricing for English players. Well except when we are selling...  :P

And people complain when Monsieur Wenger and Senor Benitez buy non-British players...

It's simply ridiculous, the price of British players, Darren Bent probably being the most extreme example. You either pay over the odds, or take risks with younger players that may or may not fulfill their potential, e.g. Wenger got burned with Franny Jeffers, jury is still out on Walcott.  And now there's Aaron Ramsey for 5M...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: SiriuslyCold on July 04, 2008, 14:14
Sing with me, now

[youtube]r8cDvm26VYI[/youtube]

to the tune of "The animals came in two by two"

His armband proved he was a red, TORRES, TORRES.
You`ll never walk alone it said, TORRES, TORRES.
We signed the lad from sunny Spain,
he`s got the ball, he`s scored again,
Fer-nan-do Torres the Liverpool number 9.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: SiriuslyCold on July 11, 2008, 11:42
Rafa looking @ Robbie Keane

Liverpool manager Rafael Benitez has ruled out making a move for Spain striker David Villa but said Robbie Keane is still on the Reds' radar. Benitez, who has allowed striker Peter Crouch to join Portsmouth, had been linked with the Valencia player who top-scored at last month's Euro 2008 finals. 'I said the other day that Villa is one of the names we had on our list, but I can say at this moment that it is not an option for us,' Benitez told Liverpool's website. 'We know Villa is a very good player, we know the price and we know the players we have, so when you consider everything we decided he was one of the names but, at this moment, not our target.' However, Benitez confirmed that a move for Tottenham Hotspur's Ireland striker Robbie Keane was a possibility. 'Keane is one of the other names and OK we are still working with other names. We were in contact and we will see now,' he said.

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better match than Villa? (he was always going to be overpriced anyways)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: SiriuslyCold on July 12, 2008, 17:10
Cavalieri Joins Liverpool

[youtube]W57bzVzRVlA[/youtube]
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: Spunky on July 12, 2008, 20:44
sure hope to see some GBP8~9M for Scott Carson!!

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: SiriuslyCold on July 13, 2008, 22:44
Tranmere Rovers 0 - 1 Liverpool  (http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N160506080712-1737.htm)  (Benayoun '43)

Daniel Agger returns to the side after a long injury :)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: redders on July 15, 2008, 11:33
Cavalieri Joins Liverpool



This keeper looks impressive:) Reina may have a competitor for 1st team liao:)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: Spunky on July 15, 2008, 18:25
looks like Carson is only worth 4M...isn't that a bargain?  Thought at that price, arsenal will be interested!
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: scoobydoo on July 16, 2008, 08:57
This keeper looks impressive:) Reina may have a competitor for 1st team liao:)

All players looks impressive on such snippets of their performances. The last time I saw the one for Cisse, he looks like a world beater….  ::)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: redders on July 16, 2008, 10:09
All players looks impressive on such snippets of their performances. The last time I saw the one for Cisse, he looks like a world beater….  ::)

Forget about Cisse or sissy who belonged to the Houllier's era, Rafa couldn't wait to sell him off.

Look who has Rafa bought in? Fernando Torres - a world beater and indeed a world beater:)

In trust for Rafa we have:)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: SiriuslyCold on July 17, 2008, 08:55
Lucerne 1 - 2 Liverpool (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=555726&sec=england&cc=4716)  (Lucas, Voronin)

"Reds boss Rafael Benitez handed new goalkeeper Diego Cavalieri the gloves for his debut, while fellow newcomer Philipp Degen was also in a first XI which included Spaniard Danny Pacheco but not Steven Gerrard, who was left on the bench.

Pacheco was the architect of the 10th-minute opener, combining well with Brazil midfielder Lucas before the latter slotted home coolly to round off the move."
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: kelso on July 17, 2008, 23:20
Caught the first half of the match lucky went to sleep in the 2nd half. The first goal had Pacheco dribbling into the top of the box, threaded a thru pass to Lucas who slotted home in the 10th min. Two mins later Luzern equalized. Cross came and Degen got out-jumped at the far post, the header went over the keeper Cavalieri across the goalmouth and dropped right at the feet of a Luzern player who toe-poked it in. He was actually flanked by two red shirts so looked like the defence got caught flat. Second goal came from Voronin who half-chipped a shot from just outside the box, looked real pretty.
Pacheko looks real promising, he loves to run at and take on defenders. He nearly scored when he did a one-two with Beanyuon but he tried a difficult chip over the goalie (which Torres does so well) but was blocked. Would love to see Nemeth in some 1st team action.
Most of the attack was down the centre, counted zero crosses from the sides.
Hope its not a portent of things to come ie leaking goals from crosses at the back and no service from the wings up front, same old problem.....
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: SiriuslyCold on July 18, 2008, 23:47
where was the match on?

can probably catch Nemeth on ch113? they are showing the U-19s
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: kelso on July 18, 2008, 23:56
http://livefooty.doctor-serv.com/

think I'm gonna record the 6am match
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: SiriuslyCold on July 20, 2008, 16:33
I bought an e-season ticket ;D $13 something per month

Liverpool FC 1  -  1 Wisla Krakow (http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/match/season/2008-2009/jul//715/finalwhistle.htm)

I thought Voronin would be gone, but here is is scoring regularly. If only there was a pre-season league :P
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: lewlian on July 23, 2008, 00:31

A month or so till the new season so am trolling for interesting reads... here's one from Tomkins on the Red's options up front...

Striking Out (http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/NG160485080711-1034.htm)
Title: Live at 1.45am
Post by: kelso on July 23, 2008, 00:35
Guys if anybody's still up :

LIVE! on ch 27 1.45am

Hertha Berlin vs Liverpool

pre-season friendly
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: SiriuslyCold on July 23, 2008, 02:34
cool, thanks for the heads-up

Pacheco looks good.
Cavalieri bit shaky

huge crowd ;)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: SiriuslyCold on July 26, 2008, 20:01
Steven Gerrard awarded honorary fellowship @ JMU (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/merseyside/7525297.stm)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: kelso on July 29, 2008, 03:31
Keane finally comes onboard

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N160674080728-1837.htm

although he's a great addition to the team but 20mil is  ::) ...in two years he'll be pushing 30 and worth less than half of the price now.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: Mr. Big on July 29, 2008, 08:05
Keane finally comes onboard

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N160674080728-1837.htm

although he's a great addition to the team but 20mil is  ::) ...in two years he'll be pushing 30 and worth less than half of the price now.
Think Rafa has lost it.  19 mil plus possibly another 1.3 mil for a guy who is over the hill.  Overpaid heavily for such a player.  There are better choices.  Wenger would have done better with this kind of money.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: SiriuslyCold on July 29, 2008, 08:33
if we land the title in the next 3 years, he'll be more than worth it. there are youngsters... Ngog, Nemeth and the like but they are going to form the basis of a future team, not one that can land the title next year or the year after that.

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: lewlian on July 29, 2008, 11:33
The jury is still out on how Keane can fit into the team and style of play..that's the most important. With teams playing with mostly one striker up front it is how the rest can swarm defences instead of the classic 4-4-2...

Goes to show the over-priced British players leading managers to scout from afar. This is a vicious cycle that will prevent the various Brit teams from every doing too well. If a senior player costs tens of million pounds, how much would a junior go for? Do the math... and some segments of the Brits complain about youngsters not getting the chance...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: francis woo on July 29, 2008, 13:07
Bro, show a little of optimism and passion....Liverpool will win the title next year............ :D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: Spunky on July 29, 2008, 13:33
I was very wary of Bellamy but he came as a bargain so not much risk.  Keane...sadly...he has the potential to be the downfall of Benitez!! :-[
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: SiriuslyCold on July 29, 2008, 15:04
why is everyone down on Keane? I think he'll fit in well and score a ton of goals
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: Spunky on July 29, 2008, 17:20
I suppose if this transfer had happened 4-5 yrs ago, I wld have been very happy! ;)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: redders on July 29, 2008, 18:27
I also don't know why everyone is down on Keane? This guy has great EPL experiences, scored quite a bit of great goals especially against Liverpool..haha. I can't see why he would flop at Liverpool.

Also Rafa must have this in mind (to grab some established EU players) if FA is gonna restrict a club having too much Non-EU players.

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: kelso on July 29, 2008, 21:36
I was very wary of Bellamy but he came as a bargain so not much risk.  Keane...sadly...he has the potential to be the downfall of Benitez!! :-[
noooo! I don't think it'll ever come to that Keane's workrate is 110% every match and he still has what it takes to score goals and poacher's goals they are too which he conjures out of nothing. But I just feel he's too spendy for the money unless..we get the holy grail! (within the next two seasons) Plus we can sing "there's only one Keano" when we play you-know-who...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: SiriuslyCold on July 30, 2008, 02:17
Sunderland? ;D

LOL LOL

did u see the new song posted on the forums? Beatles fans will recognize the cadence... ;D

When we found ourselves with striker worries,
good old Rafa said to me, there will be an answer:
Robbie Keane.

When Torres, Stevie, and Dirk aren't scoring,
who'll turn one point to three?
Our new Irish striker: Robbie Keane.

Robbie Keane, Robbie Keane,
Robbie Keane, Robbie Keane,
There will be an answer - Robbie Keane.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: scoobydoo on July 30, 2008, 10:47
Lets hope he can be as prolific as the other Robbie....
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: lewlian on July 30, 2008, 11:24

Hats off to the lyricist!  ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: domho8 on July 30, 2008, 21:45
lets hope they dun lelong him next season  ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: FookLai on July 31, 2008, 09:57
I just fail to understand when they can pay keane for 20mil but fail to meet Barry 18mil....

Fook Lai

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: redders on July 31, 2008, 10:42
I just fail to understand when they can pay keane for 20mil but fail to meet Barry 18mil....

Fook Lai



Reason is rather simple, Aston Villa is trying make difficult for Liverpool by giving a high price tag for an overated Barry. Liverpool simply refused to pay that amount, not that they cannot afford. Keane seems to be more worthwhile for $$ since Liverpool needs a striker replacement for Crouch.

Before this, every Liverpool fan has this question "Why Barry?", question still not answered, but we have an answer to "Why Keane?" for sure.

Also initially, Rafa was trying offload Alonso to Juventus and need a midfield replacement Barry, but now plan is changed, Alonso is to stay and Barry is no longer needed.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: Spunky on July 31, 2008, 14:50
Before this, every Liverpool fan has this question "Why Barry?", question still not answered, but we have an answer to "Why Keane?" for sure.

I thought it was clear right from the start....coz SG wanted him!! ;)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: kelso on July 31, 2008, 17:20
I think why Rafa has Barry on his sights is because of
- fifa is threatening to enact a rule that at least certain number of players have to be from own country/system - which is why even Wenger is also reportedly interested (although he prefers young boys from africa & europe  :))
- Barry can play in several positions if needed esp left back
- Alonso has been declining in form with each successive year (his euro form notwithstanding bec players are known to perform extra hard at national level)
but really 18mil sterling is still too much
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: SiriuslyCold on August 01, 2008, 23:27
Champions League qualifying rd 3

Std Liege v Liverpool August 12/13

2nd leg @home August 26/27; and we at least avoid Juve, Galatasaray, Atletico Madrid and Schalke04 which could have been more difficult
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: kelso on August 02, 2008, 01:17
tomorrow or actually tonight 10 pm ch 22 showing Rangers vs Liverpool live
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: SiriuslyCold on August 02, 2008, 21:20
its 2.00 am on ch27 actually
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: scoobydoo on August 02, 2008, 21:28
Sunday morning or over liao?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: jeffong on August 02, 2008, 22:10
It's showing now on Ch22.  Torres and Keane both playing in attack.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: SiriuslyCold on August 02, 2008, 22:17
my mistake
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: scoobydoo on August 02, 2008, 22:40
The grey jersey is.. er...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: Spunky on August 02, 2008, 22:50
The grey jersey is.. er...

they had a similar grey away strip in the 80s, right?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: SiriuslyCold on August 02, 2008, 22:51
very retro looking.

Keane + Torres upfront looks promising :)
I hope Plessis makes it too, and what can you say about Italian defenders... ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: kelso on August 02, 2008, 22:55
how bout that thunderous left from plessis  :o

I hope we get N-gorged after the break  ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: SiriuslyCold on August 03, 2008, 00:03
Nemeth, N'gog and Spearing look promising, and I'm glad Dagger is back.

No one is as cool as Hyypia though hah
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: kelso on August 03, 2008, 00:09
Momo playing for Juve on ch 27  ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: scoobydoo on August 03, 2008, 09:58
N'gog got some skills sia....  ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: Spunky on August 03, 2008, 19:26
N'gog got some skills sia....  ;D

These days, besides having skill, it'll be great to have  a face that can sell shirts too!! :D  I think Torres' GBP25 is well spent in this aspect!
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: SiriuslyCold on August 03, 2008, 20:08
I thought he was 23mil ;D

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: Mr. Big on August 03, 2008, 22:08
I think if United gets Berbatov for around 20 mil, that's a GOOD buy (won't say it's a bargain).
But Keane at 20mil......
Spurs having a real busy time this summer.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: Spunky on August 04, 2008, 13:09
I thought he was 23mil ;D

oops!  missing six zero's in my previous post! ;D

btw, is it really 23M?  i thought it was closed at ard 25M to 26M, but eventually they paid 20.8M or so plus garcia.  right?

BTW, Keane is the third from that Leeds squad that brought O'leary down.  The other being Kewell and Fowler ;)

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: SiriuslyCold on August 05, 2008, 21:05
I can't believe Van der Vaart went for only 10 m quid... Gareth Barry isn't worth 18 .. sheesh
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: SiriuslyCold on August 05, 2008, 21:08
(http://lazlosbasement.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/zoolander.jpg) (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/racing-betting/mcgovern/2008/08/05/ugly-pugs-portsmouth-can-can-be-england-beauts-115875-20684949/)

ROFLMAO!!!
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: SiriuslyCold on August 06, 2008, 02:23
Dave the Scouser is touring the USA. Along the way, he stops off at a remote bar in the Nevada desert and chats to the bartender when he spots a Red Indian in full tribal dress seated in the corner of the bar.

"Blimey!" remarks Dave. "Who's he?"

"Gee, that's the memory man," replies the bartender. "He knows everything there is to know. Got a memory like an elephant, he can remember any fact. Heck, go and try him out!"

Dave heads over to the Red Indian, thinking that he can outsmart him with a question about English football.

He asks the memory man, "Who won the 1965 FA cup final?"

"Liverpool," came the instantaneous reply.

Dave was stunned. He tried again asking, "Who did they beat?"

"Leeds," replied the memory man.

Dave tried once more asking, "What was the final score?"

The wise Red Indian didn't hesitate in answering, "2-1."

Dave thinks he'll get smart, asking the memory man for the name of the winning goal scorer. Without so much as blinking, the Red Indian says, "Ian St John."

Dave is stunned and returns home to Liverpool, where he tells everyone about the Red Indian. Dave's curiosity lingers, and he vows to return to American and pay his respects to the Indian. Ten years later, Dave finally saved up enough money to return and, after weeks of searching the Nevada desert, once more he finds the Red Indian, now in a cave.

Humbled by the Red Indian, Dave steps forward, bows, and greets the brave in his traditional tongue.

"How," Dave says.

The memory man squints at him and replies, "A diving header in the six-yard box."
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: SiriuslyCold on August 06, 2008, 04:08
Valerenga 1 - 4 Liverpool (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=560154&sec=england&cc=4716)

[youtube]WrBOhGDdxAk[/youtube]
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: kelccm on August 06, 2008, 17:33
Hope Gerrard injury is nothing serious
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: kelso on August 08, 2008, 01:36
anybody watching ch 5 now Argentina vs Ivory coast. Marchie has put on some bulk and Messi's  :o
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: SiriuslyCold on August 09, 2008, 10:34
Liverpool 1 - 0 Lazio

ANDRIY HITS WINNER AS KEANE MAKES HOME BOW

Andriy Voronin struck a last-gasp winner to ensure Liverpool ended their pre-season preparations with a 1-0 win over Lazio at Anfield.

The Ukrainian striker, who had only been on the pitch a matter of minutes as a substitute, kept his cool to thrash a dipping shot beyond Juan Pablo Carrizo to give the Reds a deserved win.
 
It was the perfect way to sign off ahead next week's Champions League and Barclays Premier League double header against Standard Liege and Sunderland, when the real business will get underway.
 
On a night when the Anfield faithful came out in force, Liverpool's first sight of goal came on nine minutes when Fernando Torres - back on home turf for the first time since his Euro 2008 winning exploits with Spain - drilled a ferocious 25-yard effort just over the crossbar.
 
It was the highlight of a bright start from Rafael Benitez's side, with the Reds boss using the clash with the Italians to give a first taste of L4 action to two of his new boys.
 
Andrea Dossena made a good impression down the left flank, pouring forward at every opportunity, while another man fulfilling a boyhood dream, Robbie Keane, saw his first shot at goal fly aimlessly wide after great link up play with Dirk Kuyt.
 
The home crowd's buoyant mood ahead of kick-off lifted to a crescendo of noise as they responded to this flurry of activity with the full repertoire of Anfield hymns; but despite all their efforts they could not inspire an early goal.
 
Torres could have changed that on 18 minutes but he delayed his shot when Yossi Benayoun presented him with a good opportunity in the Lazio box and the Spaniard was again left to rue his luck when he headed Xabi Alonso's centre well over Juan Pablo Carrizo's near post minutes later.
 
The visitors were struggling to provide any serious threat to Pepe Reina and co but could have snatched a surprise lead soon after when Stefan Mauri glanced a free header well wide of the Kop end net.
 
The first-half came and went without the breakthrough although an acrobatic volley from Yossi Benayoun should have seen Dirk Kuyt provide Liverpool with an interval lead on 44 minutes - but the striker somehow failed to connect with the ball as the goal lay gaping.
 
The second-half began in similar fashion to the first, with Liverpool on top and Kuyt again went close when his low effort from the right was well held by Carrizo after great play from Benayoun and Alvaro Arbeloa.
 
On 54 minutes the moment the Kop were craving nearly arrived but Keane lashed his effort just wide of the near post after an exquisite one-two with Kuyt sent him powering into the right-hand side of the penalty area.
 
For all Liverpool's dominance, the visitors remained a rare but very real threat on the counter attack and Stephen Ayodele Makinwa gave Reina a scare just shy of the hour mark when he guided a header just over the frame of the Spaniard's goal.
 
The excellent Xabi Alonso was next to try his luck with a 25-yard free-kick that deflected just wide of target while Daniel Agger brought a magnificent save out of Carrizo from the resulting corner.
 
Substitutes Pasquale Foggia and Mauro Zarate both warmed the fingertips of Reina before Voronin struck to snatch victory in stoppage time.

Teams

Liverpool: Reina, Dossena, Carragher (captain), Agger, Arbeloa, Benayoun, Alonso, Plessis, Kuyt, Torres, Keane. Subs - Hyypia, Ngog, Cavalieri, El Zhar, Voronin, Darby, Pennant, Insua, Finnan, Spearing, Nemeth
 
Lazio: Sorin, Radu, Siviglia (captain), Rozenhal, Lichsteiner, Matuzalem, Dabo, Mauri, Ledesma, Pandev, Makinwa. Subs - Zarate, Diakite, Tuia, Mendicino, Cinelli, Faraoni, Manfredini, Meghni, Foggia, Muslera
 
Referee: Andre Marriner
 
Conditions: Fine
 
Attendance: 43062
 
Liverpoolfc.tv Man-of-the-Match: Xabi Alonso
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: SiriuslyCold on August 13, 2008, 13:55
Standard Liege vs Liverpool  UCL 08/09 Qualifier 3rd rd
3:00AM 14 August 2008
Live on Ch22
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: kelso on August 13, 2008, 23:15
Looks like Berbatov is going to Old Trafford and even though Fergie was quoted as saying he's not interested in catching up with Liverpool's league record, you can bet the bank he's not going out until he does.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: kelso on August 14, 2008, 04:08
If it were a boxing match Liverpool would've lost the first half on points dodgy penalty notwithstanding. Very shaky defending on dead ball situations again, and Rafa needs to teach them the proper way of doing a one-two. Hopefully its just cobwebs after the long break.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: armoury on August 14, 2008, 11:00
Looks like Berbatov is going to Old Trafford and even though Fergie was quoted as saying he's not interested in catching up with Liverpool's league record, you can bet the bank he's not going out until he does.

That I find to be complete nonsense.  Fergie always said his greatest achievement was "to knock Liverpool off their f**king perch", which he did in the sense of making his club the dominant force of the day, and I have no doubt he will draw immense satisfaction from managing ManYoo towards equalling, and if possible surpassing, Liverpool's record of 18 titles.  The old coot is only one title away from matching it, after all.  An article I read also suggested he might want to match Bob Paisley's 3 European crowns, and again he's only one short. 
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: kelso on August 14, 2008, 17:53
yeah old whisky nose :) but you got to give him his due... although if you look carefully at how things went in the past 5-6 seasons the refs and FA has always deferred to him so I think its not exactly an even playing field in recent years...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: Mr. Big on August 14, 2008, 23:48
If it were a boxing match Liverpool would've lost the first half on points dodgy penalty notwithstanding. Very shaky defending on dead ball situations again, and Rafa needs to teach them the proper way of doing a one-two. Hopefully its just cobwebs after the long break.
Only 1-1.  And I understand some Standard Leige players are in Beijing.  A possible shock at Anfield?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: armoury on August 15, 2008, 13:13
yeah old whisky nose :) but you got to give him his due... although if you look carefully at how things went in the past 5-6 seasons the refs and FA has always deferred to him so I think its not exactly an even playing field in recent years...

Never mind recent years...

Gareth Barry isn't worth 18 .. sheesh

Not cup-tied in Europe till February he's not.  Now that he's been fielded for Villa, guess it means the transfer is off?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: kelso on August 16, 2008, 17:21
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/liverpool/2566670/Jose-Mourinho-Liverpool-and-Rafael-Benitez-must-step-up-a-gear---Football.html
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: SiriuslyCold on August 16, 2008, 20:03
Not cup-tied in Europe till February he's not.  Now that he's been fielded for Villa, guess it means the transfer is off?

ok, he's worth about £10 now...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: lewlian on August 24, 2008, 10:49

6 points after 2 games where in past seasons we might have struggled and laboured. Even if it is luck i'll take it now.  ;D

Plus signs are we played without Masch and Lucas. Good exposure for the youngsters though.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: SiriuslyCold on August 24, 2008, 11:39
(http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/7854/roypanel1hs1.jpg)

didn't we do better at home against Boro last year? We didn't play well at all, but the 3pts are important. Plus Torres and Keane are showing signs of clicking.

Why does Frank Lampard get his deflected goals credited to him, while Jamie's goal is an 'own goal' bv Pogatetz?

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: lewlian on August 24, 2008, 13:47

Wasn't referring to Boro per se...as in we didn't play well and would have seen a draw instead. Here's to better times ahead!  ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: vieri on August 25, 2008, 10:17
Im just thinking aloud.

With this 2-1 last minute win, Liverpool is certainly geared to mount a serious challenge as this match proves they can scrape a winner if everyone gets to it. As of last season, everytime the other team equalises, heads are dropped, knees are bended but this time, even after Liverpool equalised, they still went for a win!!!! A resurrected Reds? Too early to tell? Im keeping my fingers crossed by Christmas, Liverpool is still in the thick of action.

Cmon u Reds!!!!!

Vieri
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: redders on August 25, 2008, 11:10
Every champion needs his "champion luck"...I do hope our late winner victory over Boros is a sign of such luck ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: SiriuslyCold on August 25, 2008, 11:38
Too early in the season to call but the fighting spirit is good to see. If it was fighting spirit. could've been desperation... but I'll take the three points
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: scoobydoo on August 25, 2008, 13:20
Actually I thought Liverpool played quite well in this game. The goal from Mido was a gem, after a mistake by Alonso. We kept up the pressure throughout the second half and didn’t let our heads drop.
I thought we played much better than the previous game against Sunderland.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: silencer13 on August 25, 2008, 15:13
Well, this season the Liverpool team looks to have a very different attitude. At least they showed fighting spirit when 1-0 down. The Liverpool team of last few years would have still been stroking the ball around like they were already 2-0 up.

Lucky equalizer, but the 2nd goal was a real cracker.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: francis woo on August 25, 2008, 15:24
Sorry, OT here a little.........just read from Espn newsletter

'Kevin Keegan will make a personal plea to the Football Association when Joey Barton faces the governing body's disciplinary chiefs next month'.

Well, I have lost all respect for this ex darling of Liverpool.  IMHO, recalcitrant bad boys have no place in the soccer field............ :-[

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: redders on August 25, 2008, 15:45
Talking about legends...read in the papers that King Kenny Dalglish will be in town soon.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: SiriuslyCold on August 25, 2008, 15:49
If Kelly came along that would be more interesting ;D


(http://www.virginmedia.com/microsites/tvradio/slideshow/female-sports-presenters/img_11.jpg)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: SiriuslyCold on August 27, 2008, 12:20
The unthinkable has happened with Martin Skrtel (http://www.myanfield.net/2008/08/unthinkable-has-happened-with-skrtel.html) ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: lewlian on August 28, 2008, 15:19

Hmmm making a habit of scoring late...nevertheless one small obstacle down. Wonder if any other transfers hinged on this result.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: SiriuslyCold on August 28, 2008, 16:59
if there's anything I want more from this season (other than the title) it will be the team clicking with some consistency.

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: SiriuslyCold on August 31, 2008, 16:28
not sure whether to post this in Music or here.. ;D

Darryl ft Ali B, Soumia & Babel - Eeyeeyo
[youtube]b_4LmwmQqrA[/youtube]

yes, that's right B-A-B-E-L (on at 2 mins)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: lewlian on October 27, 2008, 18:48

Reflections after the Chelsea win (http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/NG161836081027-0835.htm)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: francis woo on October 27, 2008, 19:14
Bro, I can see the big smile on your face already............. ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: lewlian on October 28, 2008, 11:15
Bro, I can see the big smile on your face already............. ;D

Francis, more like my eyes are smiling. A long way to go till end of the season. To quote what Alan Hansen said, "the season ends when the medal is in your hands".
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: kelso on October 28, 2008, 18:03
Yes, thus far only about a quarter of matches played. But am glad that Rafa has got his priorities right this season.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: silencer13 on October 28, 2008, 18:28
Yes, thus far only about a quarter of matches played. But am glad that Rafa has got his priorities right this season.

so what were his priorities last season?   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: kelso on October 28, 2008, 21:14
Last season Rafa was rotating the heck out of the team and I suspect it was to 'save' some of his players for the CL. He even pulled out key players at 60 min mark in BPL matches to 'save' them for CL although the team was losing/drawn and should really could have gone for the kill. I remember there was an unbeaten streak last season that everyone was excited over but it was really frustrating because a lot of matches were drawn against minnow teams. You can never hope to win the league drawing with teams like Stoke (although that one was two points robbed). There was a game against chelski last season which I felt Liverpool could've won the game if they really pushed in the second half.
Well this year no rotation :) and he brings on attacking players in the second half. He brings SG and RK off in CL matches and not BPL matches.
So I guess he knows the fans don't want no stinkin league cup, fa cup and CL, just get us the BPL ;D
Title: Liverpool set to earn more from boxes than seats
Post by: lewlian on November 25, 2008, 18:47
    JOHANNESBURG, Nov 25 - Liverpool will make more money from corporate boxes than new supporters when they finally move to their new 60,000-seater stadium in Stanley Park, the club said on Tuesday.
   Ian Ayre, Liverpool's commercial director, said it was estimated more than 50 percent of income on match days will come from the sale of seats in corporate boxes rather than the increased numbers in mainstream seating.
   The new stadium will increase corporate seating from 3,000 currently at Anfield to 10,000. Liverpool has 40,000 season ticket holders with a waiting list of a further 65,000.
   "The new stadium is clearly a business opportunity. But it will be important to maintain the integrity of the Liverpool brand and fan experience at Anfield," Ayre said during a seminar on stadium commercial opportunities in Johannesburg.
   Central to the new stadium is the preservation of the famous Kop, packed each week by home fans.
   It will increase from 12,000 seats to 20,000, around the same number the Kop attracted when it was standing room only."
   Ayre stood by the club's decision to delay the construction of the stadium until the global credit crunch eases.
   "It's been a strange period but our decision to delay construction was certainly the right one," he added. "We have since seen the costs come down."
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: SiriuslyCold on January 10, 2009, 11:29
"what do you make of Sir Alex Ferguson's comments about Liverpool?"

"WHAT, you DARE to ask me this?!?!?!?!"
(no he didn't really say that... what he did was take out a piece of paper, unfolded it and began to read...)
"Here are the facts..."

[YOUTUBE]sAJLPvups-k[/YOUTUBE]

also at Sky
http://www.skysports.com/video/clips/0,23791,12606_4770525,00.html


"Mr Scolari he needs to know maybe to use the zonal marking against the staff of United because they are always doing man to man with the referees when they go to the bench especially during half-time" 

LMAO!!!


Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: yellowhandman on January 10, 2009, 12:13
A bizarre tirade from Rafa, especially since he had actually written it down.

Fergie just says that Pool will get nervous in the title run-in, and he gets this kind of response.


Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: francis woo on January 10, 2009, 12:29
Can't blame him.  He is under extreme pressure to win the Championship this year and frankly I hope he does.  Time to see changes in the top 4 teams of the league.......... :D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: c0bra36 on January 10, 2009, 12:38
I thought Rafa made it very clear that he wanted to focus on his game and he didn't like mind game which red nose Fergie always did to the other title contenders, be it Arsenal or Chelsea, whenever he felt there was a "threat" to his team title hope.

Need to admire his gut for doing it, just my thought. ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: dude on January 17, 2009, 13:00
Rather throw the attn to your oponent..

If that fails, pple will focus on his tirade, not on his team.

Critics point to his outburst as being bizzare, but any criticism of ManUre is fine by me  :P
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: kelso on January 17, 2009, 13:47
Rafa rejected his new contract this morning not because of money but for total control over transfers. Now that Liverpool is top, he chut stunt :) don't know whether yanks will call his bluff...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: yellowhandman on January 17, 2009, 20:23
can you imagine going to your boss and saying i don't want to work for you unless you let me do whatever I want?

from what I've read, rafa also pulled this sort of stunt at his former club. it's really foolish of him to pull this kind of crap when liverpool are chasing the title...he should just shut up and manage, and then start bargaining from a strong position if he actually wins them the title.

creating this kind of controversy now - when liverpool are in danger of being knocked off the top of the table - just destabilises the team. i really can't understand it.

not that i'm complaining...


Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: c0bra36 on January 17, 2009, 21:42
I thought Rafa rightfully demanded what he thinks it will do best to the team and not on the mercy by the Chairman on the transfer decision.

IMO, Liverpool still in a good position and it is only the start of the 2nd half, with 16-17 matches to go. Don't see why people are concerning so much about it. Even if ManU wins Bolton today, at some points in time every team will lose points, so does Chelsea or Arsenal.

Need to admire his guts and has the will to ensure the team progress under his care, especially in the most competitive league in the world.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: lewlian on February 20, 2009, 11:09

From the Times online

The 50 greatest Liverpool players (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/liverpool/article5703041.ece)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: kelso on February 28, 2009, 02:18
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N163401090227-1010.htm

good riddance...there were rumours that he was the one who went over rafa and signed keane when villa already accepted terms with the club, which could be why rafa unceremonuosly let keane go after just half a season and now wants total control over signings...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: Luv4nature on February 28, 2009, 23:54
After following Liverpool games for a while, I think the best way to describe this current team is that they certainly create their moments of brilliance may be no less than ManU, and at the same time also let down by their moments of stupidity... just look at how Alonso let in the 1st half Boro goal and you'll see why. Other moments recall; Babel's open goal miss-of-the-season 2 (or 3) games ago, etc.

ManU consistently avoid letting in easy goals while Liverpool can't... that makes the difference this season.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: SiriuslyCold on March 01, 2009, 00:53
I think its more the performances against lower placed teams - consistently below potential and failing to win those games.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: dude on March 01, 2009, 01:11
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N163401090227-1010.htm

good riddance...there were rumours that he was the one who went over rafa and signed keane when villa already accepted terms with the club, which could be why rafa unceremonuosly let keane go after just half a season and now wants total control over signings...

I'm not sure Barry would have been a good signing. Do we really need more midfielders? Xabi and Javier are very good as a combination. Would Barry have been able to better them?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: Luv4nature on March 01, 2009, 01:32
I think its more the performances against lower placed teams - consistently below potential and failing to win those games.

They are due to benitez's failure, often fielding shuffled line-up versus weaker teams, not only ended up dropping points, it also constantly destabilizes the team chemistry and vastly affected consistency of the team.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: kelso on March 01, 2009, 01:50
I'm not sure Barry would have been a good signing. Do we really need more midfielders? Xabi and Javier are very good as a combination. Would Barry have been able to better them?
sorry I wasn't clear ...it was David Villa ( not aston villa  ;D ) he was said to have accepted a bid from liverpool (supposedly 28m) - have always wondered why he was extra chummy with torres during last years euro
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: francis woo on March 01, 2009, 13:49
The Hong Kong EPL sports' commentators call Babel as 'pai ka jai' (cantonese meaning a spend drift son) because he always give the ball away......... ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: dude on March 02, 2009, 10:12
The Hong Kong EPL sports' commentators call Babel as 'pai ka jai' (cantonese meaning a spend drift son) because he always give the ball away......... ;D

How ironic! that he should be 'pai ka jai' and Rafa is depending on him to scrore after Robbie was sold...

So Rafa is 'League pai ka jai' and Babel is ' Liverpool pai ka jai'...what a combination...

Actually, I do think that Babel is quite a good player. But not having a regular starting role is hurting him and the team, since he has no chance of establishing an understanding with Torres and Gerrard...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: kelso on March 14, 2009, 22:58
 "...they may be league champion and world champion but we came here and wiped the floor with them..."

 - Gerrard

 - priceless  ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: SiriuslyCold on March 15, 2009, 19:45
The minute-by-minute on Guardian is great

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/mar/14/football-manchester-united-liverpool

So the weekend's finally here, and it's the big one we've all been waiting for. Hibernian v Hea... hold on... the CIS Cup final between Rangers and C... eh.. top v bottom in the Championship as Wolves take on Charlton Ath... nope. Italy v Wales in the Six Nations? Oh alright, it's Manchester United v Liverpool. But there's a slight sense of anti-climax; if only Liverpool had kept their gamefaces on since the turn of the year, we'd have the mother of all title races on our hands. (Especially with that 18th title within United's grasp; finally a chance for Fergie to knock Liverpool off a perch, seeing it was George Graham who did it the last time.) As it is, this is about little more than local bragging rights. Yes, a first Liverpool win at Old Trafford since 2004 would close the gap at the top to four points... but United have a game in hand, and we're not Sky Sports, so come along, let's face facts.

Kick off: 12.45pm.

Dimitar Berbatov is dropped to the bench as Carlos Tevez steps in: Van der Sar, O'Shea, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Ronaldo, Carrick, Anderson, Park, Rooney, Tevez.
Subs: Foster, Berbatov, Giggs, Nani, Scholes, Evans, Fletcher.

Xabi Alonso, shamefully ignored by Zinedine Zidane the other day, doesn't recover from his knock against Real Madrid, so Lucas is called up: Reina, Arbeloa, Carragher, Skrtel, Aurelio, Mascherano, Lucas, Kuyt, Gerrard, Riera, Torres.
Subs: Cavalieri, Dossena, Hyypia, Babel, Insua, Ngog, El Zhar.

Referee: Alan Wiley (Staffordshire)

The Premier League! The best league in the wor... ah. "Seven points could become four, the title could be totally finished, and Purplenose and Goatee might land blows on one another's hooters," writes Alexander Netherton. "But what I'm really getting tumescent about is potential O'Shea - Dossena action." And I knew I shouldn't have mentioned the Old Firm. "Where do you get off claiming the CIS Cup Final is not the game of the weekend?" splutters chris macfarlane, who couldn't be bothered to cap up his own name, so I'm certainly not going to do it for him. "It's produced seven goals in three games so far this season (Ok, the first game produced six of those but that's neither here nor there.) That's 5.5 more than most top of the table EPL games in a whole season." You've got to hand it to chris, he's got a point, hasn't He.

A last minute team change! Sami Hyypia walks out with the Liverpool side. Not sure what's wrong with Alvaro Arbeloa, but he's been injured in the warm-up and won't start. Who's going to play at right back is anyone's guess. Carragher, who doesn't quite have the speed for full back, or Skrtel, who was a total disaster in the position at Middlesbrough? Maybe they should ask Gerrard, who spent a fruitful period playing there under Gerard Houllier, and wasn't too shabby up against Serginho in the latter stages of the 2005 European Cup final. Mascherano?

(full article (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/mar/14/football-manchester-united-liverpool))
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: SiriuslyCold on March 16, 2009, 15:22
can you feel embarrassment for someone else? the *cringing* type... Take Me Home, Country Roads (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqGwoTVqzO0)?? ?? ??
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on March 17, 2009, 22:52
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKoPLt_coFI

prawn sandwiches must be on sale...buy 1 get 4  ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on March 18, 2009, 16:59
just because it's a rare occasion

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y234/siriusc/spts/lfc/the-old-trafford-scoreboard-says-it.jpg)

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on March 18, 2009, 21:56
this is well written  :)

http://www.thisisanfield.com/kopblog/

'the last person to be awarded a penalty at the Stretford End was Richard the Lionheart!'...so true  :)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on March 18, 2009, 23:23
I've figured it out... we were wearing a grey strip ;D


Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on March 19, 2009, 11:49
the Rafalution is extended!! (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=629236&sec=england&cc=4716)

Benitez signs new Liverpool deal

Rafael Benitez has signed a new five-year contract at Liverpool, ending a 17-month power struggle with the club's board. The future of the former Valencia boss, who led Liverpool to Champions League glory in 2005, had been in doubt since he revealed in January that he had rejected the club's first offer of a new contract.

Reports suggested that control over the Reds' transfer activity proved to be the sticking point for Benitez but the Merseyside club announced on Thursday evening that a new deal had been agreed that should keep him at Anfield until June 2014. (full article (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=629236&sec=england&cc=4716))


Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on March 19, 2009, 17:44
Rafa 1 -  yanks 0

I guess they had no choice, seeing as they are desperate to sell the club ( although they are holding out for more money) and not having Rafa around would certainly put a spanner in the works.

By the way, just wondering how long you guys have been Red fans? My memory is hazy but the nearest I can put it down is '71 or '73, that was when I carved LFC (in full!) on my wooden desk with a metal ruler. But much as I support the club, I could never bring myself to say we/our :)

But I remember when Keegan got transferred out for a then record of 500k, we were having a school camp and one of the guys hollered out a wail in the middle of the night... he was listening to the beeb on his transistor.

The previous year this very same guy (he's quite a character btw) shared a tent with me for a camp and it behooves me to share a tale with the red fans here which I've not told a single soul all this years.
Picture this ... its the mid-70's, and the place is an abandoned sea village going by the name of kg mata kuching (it was spelled with a h back in the good ol days). A bunch of school kids had pitched up their tents by this scenic beach which unbeknownst to them had a history during wwII!
Soon night falls and all were tired out and fell asleep in this spooky deserted place. In the middle of the night I was waken up by a violent shaking of my tent!!!
I didn't open my eyes but I knew that saying a prayer would not help!!
So it was with great courage that I hollered out...
'Bosco don't you dare dirty my groundsheet'
...and the shaking stopped abruptly and peace prevailed again on this sleepy sea village save for the guffaws coming from the other tents. Its the truth, swear! :)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on March 20, 2009, 16:35
'74 for me. some guy in my school said - watch this kevin keegan guy...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on March 21, 2009, 23:21
Danny Murphy scores!  ;D

redhead redcarded!  ;D

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/20032009/58/premier-league-murphy-s-liverpool-favour.html

evra must've been getting diving lessons from someone  ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: francis woo on March 21, 2009, 23:56
Hey, this shud be in the BCL's thread!!!

One old goat out and the other becomes a 'pai ka jai'.............. ;D

Fergie is losing his head........ :P
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on March 22, 2009, 00:57
Hodgson looked almost apologetic for his premature prediction of his team's demise... ::)

Francis  ;D one teh tarik halia says Rooney's red will be rescinded come Monday  ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on March 23, 2009, 01:39

Tomkins: Fergie is wrong (http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/NG163701090322-0825.htm)  ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on March 23, 2009, 10:20
Clips

Quote from: ReMad;17261290
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Liverpool - Villa
Premier League 30th Day
Sunday, 22 March , 1600 GMT
Anfield


:: PreMatch Video ::

Rafa Deal Delights Carragher
Click Here for Video (http://www.d1g.com/video/show/?id=2733880)

:: Goals ::

1-0 Kuyt Min.7 (http://www.d1g.com/video/show/?id=2734420)

2-0 Riera Min.32 (http://www.d1g.com/video/show/?id=2734492)

3-0 Gerrard P.K Min.39 (http://www.d1g.com/video/show/?id=2734499)

4-0 Gerrard Min.49 (http://www.d1g.com/video/show/?id=2734550)

5-0 Gerrard P.K Min.65 (http://www.d1g.com/video/show/?id=2734580)

:: Extras ::

Gerrard Chance Min.15 (http://www.d1g.com/video/show/?id=2734443)



Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on March 23, 2009, 10:33

As Steve McMahon said, momentum would have meant we wanted the next match asap rather than face the international break unlike the other team. Bummer.

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on March 23, 2009, 16:14
As Steve McMahon said, momentum would have meant we wanted the next match asap rather than face the international break unlike the other team. Bummer.

I feel the same way: Arsenal have developed a run of good form, and this damned international week disrupts it yet again.  And the last time we had internationals Theo came back injured.  Now just as he's recovered and is playing well, he gets hauled off, and in the U-21s to boot.  Bloody insult.  He's now a regular in the senior team, WTF does Pearce get away with making him do double-duty in the U-21s as well??
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on March 23, 2009, 17:29
isn't Theo crocked from that freak injury while walking? or was that fortuitous in terms of excusing him from int'l duty.. hmm
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on March 23, 2009, 17:37
For those watching the replay telecast, can see when Friedel walks off the pitch for his red ... the Anfield fans gave him a standing ovation, same as when Luis Garcia came on in the CL match with Ateletico and AM were leading late in the second half. But he very poor thing, he was bracing for the impact that's coming from Torres and a defender, so can't expect him to just lie down in submission...
Just like Danny boy did last weekend, hopefully some red old boys might be helpful in the coming weeks  :)
Heskey for Villa
Crouchey for Pompey
Keano for Spurs
Bellamy or Didi for City
Kirkland for Wigan
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on March 23, 2009, 18:10
http://www.goal.com/en/news/15/germany/2009/03/11/1150073/bayern-manager-uli-hoeness-wants-to-avoid-liverpool-in-champions-

"Our results have certainly earned us a lot of respect," said Hoeness in an interview with the club’s website."The other teams will certainly see videos of our games and ask themselves 'hold on a minute, what's going on there?' I certainly don't want to play against Liverpool," he said.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: francis woo on March 23, 2009, 22:03
For those watching the replay telecast, can see when Friedel walks off the pitch for his red ... the Anfield fans gave him a standing ovation, same as when Luis  But he very poor thing, he was bracing for the impact that's coming from Torres and a defender, so can't expect him to just lie down in submission...


I agree, the RC is uncalled for.  It was unintentional as he was trying to avoid the Torres knees from smashing onto his face....... :P
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on March 24, 2009, 07:51
actually I thought he was trying to get out of the way so the RC was a bit harsh. penalty of course but the RC was harsh. perhaps they can rescind it

Rooney's RC was deserved though - what a childish immature brat. I heard on Football Weekly podcast that a SPL player who was sent off and behaved petulantly was shown another RC and banned for additional matches
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Pingu on March 24, 2009, 12:45
Rooney gets away with so much in a game that its unbelievable...

ManU (and Mourinho's Chelsea) have been successfull because they don't believe winning is all about simply playing football. This is where Liverpool and Arsenal have fallen short. Their managers have not been good at manipulating the system. Fergie is a true master.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on March 24, 2009, 13:53

This is where dinosaurs at FIFA and the FAs do not accept video evidence where it is now available especially at the highest levels.

You see it being used for close calls in the NBA, NFL and even rugby union. I am impressed when they can show at least 3-4 angles for the referee to decide a rugby touchdown amidst the masses of bodies.

Does anyone complain the same video evidence is not available in sunday school games in the park?

It is akin to seeing someone commit a crime on some surveillance camera but choose to not take action as it was committed outside their immediate area of concern i.e. the field.

And of course Fergie plays the spin doctor immediately after the game to justify player actions and sow the seeds of doubt in the referee's ensuing report. Bah.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on March 24, 2009, 17:16
from a Fulham fan in F365

... in the delirium of our stunning, 100% deserved victory (and our general results against the big teams), I couldn't help but wonder where we'd be if we were part of the so-called "Big 4" (making it a "Big 5" for all you Chelsea fans out there) in the "Big 5 Table". Here's the statistics for ya:

1. Liverpool P6 W4 D2 L0 PTS 14
2. Fulham P6 W2 D3 L1 PTS 9
3. Arsenal P5 W2 D2 L1 PTS 8
4. Man United P7 W2 D1 L4 PTS 7
5. Chelsea P6 W0 D2 L4 PTS 2


hmm something to watch out for in the next match (FUL away)

 
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on March 25, 2009, 03:24
 ;D lets add Friedel's name in too

" Just like Danny boy did last weekend, hopefully some red old boys might be helpful in the coming weeks 

Friedel! and Heskey for Villa
Crouchey for Pompey
Keano for Spurs
Bellamy or Didi for City
Kirkland for Wigan "
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on March 25, 2009, 04:44
From a Chelsea fan...

"WARNING: the following article is going to express alarmingly positive sentiments about a figure previously mocked by this very author. Rafa Benítez, we salute you.

I used to think that Rafa Benítez tactical nous was over-rated. My opinion was that he was great at adapting his side to cancel out the opposition, stifle them, annul their strong points, and then hope for a lucky break. It`s astonishing how often that seemed to work.

After all, that`s what Liverpool did to Chelsea in October when Rafa`s lot came to town and ended Chelsea`s magnificent unbeaten run at Stamford Bridge. If any one match sealed Phil Scolari`s fate, it was that one: Chelsea had been playing some electrifying football up until then, with fast-paced wing play, fullbacks bombing forward, and some nifty short-passes. Rafa`s ploy was to block the supply lines from the flanks, and to get into Jon Obi Mikel`s face to ensure that he couldn`t redistribute the ball from defence to attack. It wasn`t pretty, but by Zola it was effective.

The problem for Chelsea was that this ploy was seen by any number of other teams, Roma for starters. The secret to undoing Chelsea was out there, Liverpool had deployed it. It didn`t help that, having been found out, Scolari didn`t have an alternative tactic. Chelsea were undone by teams using Rafa`s tactics.

Fast forward to last week, when Liverpool first dismantled Real Madrid and then Manchester United. Rafa`s post-match conference on Saturday was astonishing. "We knew their defence had weaknesses," Benítez said. "They are strong in defence but that's because they have plenty of possession elsewhere. They have a lot of quality in attack but that is the main thing that they have. When they don't have the ball and you move the ball quickly and play behind their defenders you know you can beat them."

The Spaniard went on. "I do think they have weaknesses. We knew they are really good at playing between the lines with penetrating passes so we needed to stop those passes and put their midfielders under pressure every time they received the ball. After that we had to play simple passes and go forward quickly because they [United] are an offensive team and always high up the pitch."

In the analysis of the Guardian, ManU are so committed to attacking they can leave themselves vulnerable to fast, incisive breaks, particularly when the ball is played behind Vidic, whose weakness is his speed on the turn. "That was one of the ideas," Rafa confirmed. "We knew with [Torres's] movement we could create problems for their defenders."

Wow. What was that about? Why had Rafa been so explicit about his tactic that had so comprehensively undone Manchester United? As in his dissection of Chelsea, he had found the formula to destroy Manchester United. However, with Liverpool chasing Manchester United, and relying on the Champions to drop further points so that Liverpool can sneak up, he`s broadcasting loud and clear how to beat Manchester United. He is inviting opposition managers to follow the Rafa formula. You too can beat ManYoo, here`s how, he is shouting to the world, and particularly the managers of the 10 Premier League clubs still to face United.

And that is why, contrary to what the ManU faithful have been saying until lunchtime Saturday, Rafa Benítez is not only tactically more astute than Siralex, he has the advantage in the mind games. Earlier this year, Rafa read out an astonishing rant about Fergus, about how he influences the referees and the game`s authorities, not to mention his constant whining about the fixture list. It was painful to hear … except for one point: every single thing that Rafa said was totally true. ManU lapped it all up: on Saturday stalls were selling mock Rafa T-shirts that described the Liverpool manager as "Deranged! Ludicrous! Insane!" One banner at Old Trafford said "Rafa`s cracking up. The front cover of ManYoo`s Red News fanzine recently had Rafa superimposed into a straitjacket. The irony of all this couldn`t be funnier.

Liverpool used as motivation for their clinical demolition of Real Madrid firstly the Madrid President`s remarks that Madrid would **** all over Madrid. President Boluda predicted that Madrid would win 3-0 at the Bernabeu and 2-1 at Anfield. He certainly got that right. Rafa also used the comments from Madrid coach Juande Ramos that Rafa`s Liverpool was boring. And on the day of the match last week, Fernando Torres held up the front page of 'Marca`, the Real Madrid court circular, which had, splashed across the front page "This is Anfield … so what".

These are powerful motivation tools. Did Liverpool use, in the run-up to Saturday`s game, the banal but ill-advised comments by Wayne Rooney about how he used to hate Liverpool and that that hasn`t changed? Or was it the continued mockery of Benítez by ManU? Or was it the confident prediction by various ManU players that Liverpool would be knocked out of the title race by Saturday afternoon. Let`s just say that the net result was that, whilst United were jaded and complacent, Liverpool were stoked up.

Compare and contrast this calculated reply with that of Siralex. Firstly there was the fact that Fergus didn`t speak to Sky news before and after the game. The reason for this? A protest against a 12:45 kick-off time. Yes, readers, that`s a kick-off time that allowed maximum revenues (via Sky) for the club. That`s a kick-off time that had been suggested by the police, and discussed with both clubs. And agreed by both clubs. Apparently it hadn`t been to the liking of Siralex, who boycotted Sky.

Siralex already boycotts discussions with the BBC. The reason? It`s lost in the mists of time, based on a documentary on the BBC that questioned Fergus` son`s transfer dealings. A key element was when one BBC journalist dared to ask a critical question to the Knight of the Realm about Juan Sebastian Veron. Juan Sebastian Veron, that`s the midfielder who was purchased from Lazio for £30 million. To the question that Veron had been involved in an argument with his team-mates, Siralex blew a gasket: "People are always going on about ******* Veron. You tell me, what's wrong with Veron?", he fumed. "What's this thing about fights and all the rest of this ****? It's absolute nonsense, you know it's nonsense. Absolute lies. On you go. I'm no ******* talking to you. He's a ***** great player. Yous are ***** idiots." 4 months later Siralex flogged '******* great player` Veron to Chelsea at £15 million.

2 years ago, Siralex launched an astonishing attack on the BBC, saying that the national broadcaster is "arrogant beyond belief". Read that again: Fergus the bogeyman accuses the BBC of being not only arrogant but "arrogant beyond belief". You can`t make this kind of thing up.

Actually, I`ll tell you what you really can`t make up: after seeing his side hammered on home soil 1-4, demolished from A to Z, outmanoeuvred and tactically belittled, the best that Professor Mind Games could come up with was to claim that United had been a "better team". "It's a hard one to take as I thought we were the better team," he said. "We have to accept that it was a bad day in terms of the goals we lost, but I cannot fault the display." No really.

As Chelsea fans, we have every interest in hoping that ManU slip up. We didn`t manage to do that ourselves, but Liverpool have just helped make that possible. It would be boring if ManU go on to win a third successive League, let alone any of the other elements of their quintuple. It would also suggest that English football is not actually that competitive. Thanks to Liverpool, maybe an element of competitiveness has been reintroduced. That`s good news for Chelsea. For the moment, Chelsea and Liverpool are allies in hoping that ManU slip up again.

Fergus, if I were you I`d be looking nervously over your shoulder because (forget about José) you have met your tactical and psychological match in Rafa. And for the teams facing ManU in the coming matches, read Benítez`s comments and watch the DVD of the Liverpool game to see how ManU can be beaten. We owe it to football to push ManU and open up th
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on March 25, 2009, 11:13
damnit, don't leave us hanging like that!! where's the rest of the freaking article? LOL LOL
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on March 25, 2009, 12:31
That's a great article! 

As I was reading it, as Rafa's battleplan was being explictly spelt out, my thoughts were exactly "he's telling everyone else how to do it!". 

We'll see.  Unfortunlatey I don't think Aston Villa have enough in the tank to give ManYoo a decent fight, though.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on March 25, 2009, 13:44
you know what, since its international break rafa should organize a retreat for the managers in sunny majorca and share his ideas with them  ;D fine dining from a spanish waiter  ;D
but seriously after the slip ups in january, you sort of given up hope and any result is a good one to me
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on March 25, 2009, 14:07

Interesting perspective from the writer...a case of method in Rafa's "madness".
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Post by: lewlian on March 25, 2009, 14:12

Last 2 lines from the article...

"We owe it to football to push ManU and open up the League. Thanks for that Rafa."

Link (http://www.chelsea.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=513701)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: scoobydoo on March 25, 2009, 15:57
Rafa tactical ability will really be tested to the fullest if they do meet Barcelona in the CPL semis.
I have seen some highlights of Barca’s attacking play. My god!
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on March 25, 2009, 16:01
i know.. they have a +60 goal difference ... not just goals scored, goal DIFFERENCE. sheesh

the last time we met Barca, they were (are?) like Man U - great attack, dodgy keeper. however this is all moot - we have to beat Chelsea (again) first.


Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Pingu on March 25, 2009, 22:20
Barca, yes I've seen them play too. They are awesome in attack. Every player is so comfortable on the ball.

Messi is simply out of this world. Also, they have this no. 14 fella who simply flies down the left wing. Real quick feet, creating, scoring. How I wish Arsenal had a player like that...  :(
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on March 25, 2009, 23:44
well you had a player like that... ;)

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on March 26, 2009, 00:53
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/liverpool/article647261.ece

...he likes the red shirt with the birdy  ;D

guess what..while searching for that link found out that o'shae,wes,rio &babyface ole were red fans :)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on March 26, 2009, 10:07
well you had a player like that... ;)
Yes we did.  But I'm not sure he would have performed at the same level in England now.  The English game is faster than the Spanish or Italian leagues, hence Henry and Vieira have both had a new lease on life when they moved, but had they stayed, I'm not sure they could have kept up with the pace.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on March 26, 2009, 10:23
ok, I know everyone is away on international duty in their respective countries, but I wish the Liverpool players would STFU and do their talking on the pitch. The only person allowed to talk is Rafa when he's divulging secrets about tactics against man Utd ;)


Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on March 26, 2009, 10:51

I wouldn't worry too much. Typical tabloids trying to stir sh*t. The players were probably asked simple questions but the answers were distorted or sensationalized to grab headlines in the quiet international week.

Just yesterday I read Pele claiming Robinho took drugs and the latter wanted to sue. Today the former came out to say he was mis-quoted.  ::)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Pingu on March 26, 2009, 10:52
Yes we did.  But I'm not sure he would have performed at the same level in England now.  The English game is faster than the Spanish or Italian leagues, hence Henry and Vieira have both had a new lease on life when they moved, but had they stayed, I'm not sure they could have kept up with the pace.

Oh please, keeping up the pace had nothing to do with either departures. Vieira left because he was jerking the club around every summer and Wenger decided enough is enough. Henry left largely for personal reasons and also the allure of playing for Barcelona. Bergkamp stayed till 35 and pace was never his strongest attribute even in his heyday. Remember all the 0-0 draws? Could a little Henry magic have made a difference to some of these scores? See how lively the team now looks with Arshavin?

Anyway, this is a Hail Liverpool thread, so sorry guys... :)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on March 26, 2009, 12:26
Well, losing Fabregas certainly put a huge dent in Arsenal's form, not unlike when Alonso was out injured. They are the ones who create goal scoring opportunities especially against teams who park the bus.
Without Keane, Liverpool actually played better with Alonso distributing in midfield and Gerrard in the hole behind Torres. But this only works with everybody fit and running.
In the upcomming int friendly with Skrtel's Slovakia, it would be most interesting to see if Capello plays Gerrard in the same position just behind Heskey and probably leaving out the ogre  :)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on March 27, 2009, 13:49
Marca paper (Spain)

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y234/siriusc/spts/othr/g0310.jpg)

"this is Anfield... SO WHAT?"
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on March 27, 2009, 16:29

LOL. There's never ANY upside to such taunts.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
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Post by: SiriuslyCold on March 30, 2009, 22:57
Burden of history should not hinder Liverpool's bid to end 19-year drought

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2009/mar/29/liverpool-rafael-benitez-premier-league-title

Come with us now to a world called April 1990, where Nelson Mandela is free at last and delivering his great Wembley speech, Germany is being reunified and John Barnes is burying a penalty against Queens Park Rangers that wins the Division One title for Liverpool for the 10th time in 15 years.

This is the year the world wide web is invented, when the term "information superhighway" is still hip. At an Extraordinary General Meeting of the Football League, two days after Barnes has knocked the ball in, chairmen hear a proposal for a five per cent levy on all transfer fees to be paid to the Football Trust to help meet the safety requirements of the Taylor Report.

In Liverpool's next game, their 38-year-old manager, Kenny Dalglish, performs a final 19-minute cameo against Derby County and the league sponsors, Barclays Bank, present the champions with a cheque for £100,000, which is less than Steven Gerrard's current weekly wage.

A Liverpool squad sporting Bruce Grobbelaar, Alan Hansen, Ian Rush, Peter Beardsley and Jan Molby (not forgetting Barry Venison) have seen off an Aston Villa XI whose team for the 3-3 draw with Norwich that extinguishes their title hopes lists Ian Olney, Derek Mountfield and Tony Cascarino, who has an important role in this tale of self-doubt and what it can do to you.

Evolution has yet to equip us with a switch that kills inhibition. "You're going to miss" called a voice in Cascarino's ball-hardened nut occasionally as he bore down on goal. Nearly two decades later, Liverpool are going to have to live with every metre of April prose featuring the "19-year wait", which, if left uncontested, will become the worm in Anfield's brain now that Rafa Benítez's men are one point behind Manchester United, who have a game in hand.

Here is a thought to take some heat off. By now it's compulsory to talk of Liverpool's domestic aspirations as a Sisyphean ache. Sure, no Koppite can have enjoyed chasing the tails of Man Utd, Arsenal and Chelsea in all the years since the Poll Tax and Strangeways riots.

Yet long spells in the wilderness are less shameful than we imagine. United went 26 years between the title win of 1966-67 and the first of Sir Alex Ferguson's Premier League conquests in 1992-93. Arsenal were off the plinth for 18 years from 1971 to 1989. And Chelsea took 50 years to re-live the Brylcreemed win of 1954-55.

United's psyops unit will have been scrambled back to Carrington. With the table altering so dramatically, Ferguson is bound to redeploy the smart weapon of his suggestion that Liverpool would get "nervous." That tactic is more likely to fail if Gerrard, Jamie Carragher and Fernando Torres can avoid gazing into the stale well of history, which has no bearing, outside the psychological realm, on the mission to stop United drawing level on 18 league title wins.

One echo is unavoidable; 15 April brings the 20th anniversary of the Hillsborough calamity, when 96 Liverpool fans were crushed to death in the Leppings Lane end of Sheffield Wednesday's ground, and supporters cried to Grobbelaar, hauntingly, in his goal: "They're killing us, Bruce, they're killing us."

Those memories are obliged to resurface as Liverpool enter the season's final phase, just as United winning the Champions League 50 years on from the Munich air disaster became a compulsion. It may help, in the narrow trophy chasing sense, that the many foreign members of Benítez's team might be able to separate the emotion of a major Hillsborough anniversary from the less momentous task of trying to depose United.

Or it could inspire the whole operation to reclaim an honour they last held in the season when Michael Knighton's Old Trafford takeover collapsed, and United finished 13th in the league before Lee Martin's goal did for Crystal Palace in an FA Cup final replay and (maybe) saved Ferguson's hide.

For Liverpool the present campaign is already a triumph over boardroom instability and ego. As the debt mountain casts its shadow, and two American speculators perform their self-saving dance, Benítez has signed a new five-year contract and Gerrard says he wants to stay a Red for life. On the pitch they are chain-sawing the best opposition.

In those long years of keeping an eye out for Godot they have finished second in the Premier League once and third five times. They have won the Champions League, a Uefa Cup, three FA Cups and a trio of League Cups. To depict them as a raddled dancefloor dad from the 1970s and 80s is ludicrous and just turns the "19-year wait" into a mental wrecking ball.

How to stop our pasts destroying our futures? On an infinitely grander scale, I seem to remember Mandela offering a few tips.

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: BiteApple on March 30, 2009, 23:53
Nice Article there!
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: BiteApple on March 30, 2009, 23:55
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Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on March 31, 2009, 12:08
Come with us now to a world called April 1990,

How about May 1989?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/mar/29/arsenal-liverpool-1989-football

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on March 31, 2009, 18:50
one man's dream is another man's nightmare LOL


Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on April 05, 2009, 04:14
wow...just read on the other forum that Liam Neeson and his two sons, and Vanessa Redgrave were at the game at craven cottage. One of his sons was holding up a liverpool top and singing along. Very diificult time for them
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on April 06, 2009, 04:40
great shot masche but remember to aim higher next time... ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dKj5RoalkE

remember this incident?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/120060-bosingwa-the-fa-the-linesman-and-mike-riley-the-truth

well, in last's night match the linesman flagged for a foul on Barry on the right touchline but spongebob overuled him ... for him its like lets make up the rules as we go
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Spunky on May 29, 2009, 09:13
Reds tie down Torres to new deal

Although the Spain striker still had four years remaining on his original six-year contract, Liverpool have offered him improved terms and added an option to take the deal through to 2014.

More at TEAMTALK (http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,16368,1776_5353004,00.html)

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on May 29, 2009, 15:50
Forever in our shadow (http://timesonline.typepad.com/fanzine_fanzone/2009/05/forever-in-our-shadow.html)

"Are you watching Merseyside" the assembled United masses sang before the game in Rome last night. Yes, we are. And how we enjoyed it.

read on (http://timesonline.typepad.com/fanzine_fanzone/2009/05/forever-in-our-shadow.html)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on May 29, 2009, 21:31
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N164520090529-1138.htm

96 fans of our fellow Liverpool fans went to an FA Cup semi-final over 20 years ago and never came home. Steve Cohen is discovering how intrinsic the 96 and Hillsborough are to Liverpool. The 96 are as much part of the DNA of Liverpool Football Club as the five European Cups and 18 League Championships. They were ours, that's the bond. And that's why we guard their memory and their reputation so closely, wherever their memory is impugned. They are with us every day, every game.
 
They are dead and they cannot answer for themselves, but we can and we will. Fight the lies. We answer for them, we fight for them because they cannot, because they are dead. But they are us. Liverpool.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on June 01, 2009, 09:41
... are you watching, Merseyside? (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2009/05/30/were-we-watching-how-could-we-miss-it-100252-23754641/)

OBSERVATIONS from Wednesday night’s Champions League final:


Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on June 01, 2009, 14:41
Torres signs second long-term contract (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/187434-fernando-torres-secret-marriage-shock-ceremony-is-not-in-ok-magazine)

Shortly after signing a contract extension with Liverpool, Torres signs another, longer term contract
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on June 01, 2009, 15:03
Compare and contrast with the scenes in Athens two years earlier where all Liverpool supporters stayed behind to watch and applaud AC Milan as they lifted Europe’s most famous trophy.

Just an observation: did Greek police keep Liverpool fans 'locked' in the stadium?  I ask only because I recall the one time I went to a European match, in Florence (Fiorentina v. Arsenal, ECL group stage in 1999), the Arsenal fans were kept in the stadium for a further half-hour or more after full time, to allow the home fans to leave and to avoid the two sets of fans meeting outside.  So the Liverpool fans might not have had any choice in the matter in the first place.

Of course, that makes no logistical sense for a neutral venue hosting a final: you keep the winning fans 'locked' since they don't want to leave anyway, let the losing fans leave since they want to slink off tail between legs ASAP, as apparently the Moaners did, the winning fans only emerge an hour or more later after all celebrations are done, and the problem solves itself.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on June 01, 2009, 15:55
Just an observation: did Greek police keep Liverpool fans 'locked' in the stadium?  I ask only because I recall the one time I went to a European match, in Florence (Fiorentina v. Arsenal, ECL group stage in 1999), the Arsenal fans were kept in the stadium for a further half-hour or more after full time, to allow the home fans to leave and to avoid the two sets of fans meeting outside.  So the Liverpool fans might not have had any choice in the matter in the first place.


could be, except perhaps Manyoo fans always disappear early when they lose finals?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: vieri on June 03, 2009, 11:03


could be, except perhaps Manyoo fans always disappear early when they lose finals?

I observe that too. Another incident was when Liverpool whipped them at their own backyard & the silence is damn deafening. They only raise their voices in the last few games en route to winning the BPL title. Im fortunate most Liverpool fans are not like that.

Vieri
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: redders on June 03, 2009, 11:58
Some may disagreed but I believed most agreed that Man Utd won this season league title with a lot of help from the "luck" factor.

The fans should know in their heart that if the luck factor has not came in, the title is long gone to Liverpool.

Their performance has never been outstanding thru the season.

So in matches e.g. the CL final when luck factor is never there and they lost to a much better team. There is basically nothing for the fans to cheer about.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on June 03, 2009, 14:03
Barry joining citeh, break out the champagne  :)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: francis woo on June 03, 2009, 14:31
Fergie wants to retain his gang of old goats.....big disaster loh!!!.......... :P
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: c0bra36 on June 03, 2009, 14:34
Barry joining citeh, break out the champagne  :)
Don't understand this. Thought he was so keen to join Liverpool last year and desperately wanted to play in the champion league... why join ManCity, what a change of heart... guess again for $$ then... another Robinho in the making?  :P This is real insulting to Rafa IMO  :P
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on June 03, 2009, 15:22
Don't understand this. Thought he was so keen to join Liverpool last year and desperately wanted to play in the champion league... why join ManCity, what a change of heart... guess again for $$ then... another Robinho in the making?  :P This is real insulting to Rafa IMO  :P

Agreed.  I for one thought he might make an interesting recruit for Arsenal as well.  Having said that, one other factor is that at a Big Four club, he can't be guaranteed a place in the starting XI, whereas I'd guess Hughes was able to promise that, considering Citeh's current midfield.  In a season that ends with the World Cup, regular first-XI footy is a big incentive, even if he might have to wait a season or two (or more?) for ECL footy.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on June 03, 2009, 15:44
well I'm glad he's gone elsewhere... just hope we don't lose Xabi
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: c0bra36 on June 03, 2009, 15:58
well I'm glad he's gone elsewhere... just hope we don't lose Xabi
Am oso afraid about this. Read an article about Kaka being bought over by Real for $50m... $$ can buy anything nowadays....  :-[
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on June 03, 2009, 16:12
He was recontracted some years back and still has 3 years to run on his contract so unless he wants to go (but suspect his agent angling for higher wage) then 25mil pounds would be good business.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on June 03, 2009, 17:00
He was recontracted some years back and still has 3 years to run on his contract so unless he wants to go (but suspect his agent angling for higher wage) then 25mil pounds would be good business.

it'll cost more than 25m to replace Xabi, perhaps? thing is he is integral to the way we played this season, and getting another player into the midfield will take time to bed in etc etc. next it'll be breaking Man u's record of 26 years without a title

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: vieri on June 03, 2009, 18:11
Don't understand this. Thought he was so keen to join Liverpool last year and desperately wanted to play in the champion league... why join ManCity, what a change of heart... guess again for $$ then... another Robinho in the making?  :P This is real insulting to Rafa IMO  :P


Remember Lucas Neill? Where is he now? Slipping into the oblivion. I dare say Barry will walk that path. Almost good enough but not great enough. Not for Liverpool anyway.

Vieri
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on June 03, 2009, 18:35
Get Iniesta!  ;D
...but doubt he'd come even if rafa broke his piggy bank
mind you I don't think fans want to see Alonso leave but if he asks for a transfer then rafa really has no choice. There was some talk that RM were offering 20mil + heinze but bleeahh expired beans
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: c0bra36 on June 03, 2009, 21:30
Am oso afraid about this. Read an article about Kaka being bought over by Real for $50m... $$ can buy anything nowadays....  :-[

Well done, Real Madrid landed Kaka at 62m pounds.... and could be eyeing for Lady boy, Ronaldo, if they still deep in pocket.... At least for now we can expect Alonso will stay put in Liverpool, given Barry now has moved to City.  ;D

$$ always do wonder..... what global recession... don't think it matters to the elite football clubs in Europe!
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on June 03, 2009, 23:57
c0bra, please do not quote TheS*n in a Liverpool thread.

Are you a Liverpool fan?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: c0bra36 on June 04, 2009, 07:04
c0bra, please do not quote TheS*n in a Liverpool thread.

Are you a Liverpool fan?
I am. My apologies, I overlooked on this.   :P
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on June 04, 2009, 07:44
I'm pretty sure you can find the same story elsewhere and link to that instead :)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on June 14, 2009, 08:51
Can Liverpool FC take advantage of Man Utd losing Cristiano Ronaldo? (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2009/06/13/liverpool-fc-can-take-advantage-of-man-utd-losing-cristiano-ronaldo-to-real-madrid-100252-23864818/)

... Apparently, the champions no longer need a "petulant" and "egotistical" winger who had become too big for his boots.

Funny, because they didn't seem to mind those qualities when the Portuguese was banging them in from all angles and winning games almost single-handedly in recent seasons.

Anyway, the argument goes, selling Ronaldo has paved the way for Alex Ferguson to embark on a £100million summer spending spree to land Carlos Tevez, Lyon forward Karim Benzema, Bayern Munich winger Franck Ribery and Wigan’s Antonio Valencia.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on June 14, 2009, 12:13

Stuff the Mancs..I just want to see business done on our end early instead of showing our hand and getting nothing or being priced out of deals.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on June 14, 2009, 13:42
perhaps our financial woes are well enough publicized we won;t be paying over the odds for anyone we get... except that it doesn't look like anyone's within reach

If we don't sell anyone critical (Masch, Xabi, Benayoun), I think I'm happy if we sign 2 [good] squad members to provide depth for some positions
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Jacky on June 14, 2009, 14:22
wow woot.......... a liverpool thread!

yeah. if we can keep the current squad, sell the hopeless lucas leiva, dossena and babel and bring in a quality left winger and another striker... that will be GOOD! Will be an exciting season starting August!

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on June 15, 2009, 18:51
perhaps our financial woes are well enough publicized we won;t be paying over the odds for anyone we get... except that it doesn't look like anyone's within reach

If we don't sell anyone critical (Masch, Xabi, Benayoun), I think I'm happy if we sign 2 [good] squad members to provide depth for some positions

agree there...silly season with the silly money in the real world just don't add up but it happens. not sure if we do exactly need a big name per se...good squad players with heart may be a better way to go than big names with egos that is hard to manage.
Title: Re: Liverpool fixtures 2009-2010
Post by: SiriuslyCold on June 17, 2009, 18:41
Liverpool 2009-10 Barclays Premier League fixtures:

August

15 Tottenham Hotspur (a)
19 Stoke City (h)
22 Aston Villa (h)
29 Bolton Wanderers (a)

September

12 Burnley (h)
19 West Ham United (a)
26 Hull City (h)

October

3 Chelsea (a)
17 Sunderland (a)
24 Manchester United (h)
31 Fulham (a)

November

7 Birmingham City (h)
21 Manchester City (h)
28 Everton (a)

December

5 Blackburn Rovers (a)
12 Arsenal (h)
16 Wigan Athletic (h)
19 Portsmouth (a)
26 Wolverhampton Wanderers (h)
28 Aston Villa (a)

January

9 Tottenham Hotspur (h)
16 Stoke City (a)
26 Wolverhampton Wanderers (a)
30 Bolton Wanderers (h)

February

6 Everton (h)
9 Arsenal (a)
20 Manchester City (a)
27 Blackburn Rovers (h)

March

6 Wigan Athletic (a)
13 Portsmouth (h)
20 Manchester United (a)
27 Sunderland (h)

April

3 Birmingham City (a)
10 Fulham (h)
17 West Ham United (h)
24 Burnley (a)

May

1 Chelsea (h)
9 Hull City (a)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on June 17, 2009, 19:54
Liverpool Sign Bent!! (http://blogs.mirror.co.uk/football-banter/2009/06/liverpool-sign-bent.html)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: francis woo on June 17, 2009, 20:11
Liverpool Sign Bent!! (http://blogs.mirror.co.uk/football-banter/2009/06/liverpool-sign-bent.html)

You must be kidding....a reject from Spurs......... ???
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on June 17, 2009, 20:46
news of Rafa signing Glen Johnson
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2009/06/16/liverpool-fc-17million-glen-johnson-offer-accepted-by-portsmouth-100252-23887154/
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: c0bra36 on June 17, 2009, 21:40
news of Rafa signing Glen Johnson
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2009/06/16/liverpool-fc-17million-glen-johnson-offer-accepted-by-portsmouth-100252-23887154/
One down, another to go... David Silva hopefully is the next target!  ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on June 17, 2009, 22:08
You must be kidding....a reject from Spurs......... ???

did you click thru? ;)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: francis woo on June 17, 2009, 22:28
Oops, sorry lah Bro.......... :-X
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on June 17, 2009, 22:34
LOL LOL

click thru to read..

(http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/images5/fiveyearsrafa.jpg) (http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N164566090616-0820.htm)

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on June 18, 2009, 14:25
Torres interview / soccernet (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story?id=654451&sec=soccernet.com&root=soccernet.com&cc=4716)

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You only need to spend five minutes in the company of Torres to appreciate just how deeply he has been gripped by his Liverpool love affair during the two highly-prolific years he has spent wearing the famous red No.9 shirt.
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Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: boygirl_1004 on June 18, 2009, 15:02
Taye Taiwo - Left full back

The left-back has played in France for the last 4 seasons and has made 134 league appearances for the club (10 goals). Marseille finished 16th in the 2007/08 season which has led to speculation concerning a number of their players but they managed to retain the Nigerian and it has paid off. The club came 2nd last season just 3 points behind champions Bordeaux with Taiwo playing in 35 of the team’s 38 league games (34 starts).

Not only is Taiwo renowned for his no-nonsense defending but also his attacking forays and powerful shooting ability. His long range efforts have been clocked at over 80mph so expect him to fight with Steven Gerrard to take charge of free-kicks if he does sign for Liverpool.

Will this Nigerian young gun take over our Steve.G free kick role in Season 2009/2010?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on June 18, 2009, 22:32
A German in the making.......

Player profile: German left-back Christopher Buchtmann was named among UEFA's top 10 stars of the future in May 2009.

Neil Mellor says: "From what I have seen of Buchtmann he seems very composed with good energy and a great engine which all modern day footballers need to have.
 
"He can play left-back or in midfield - which is similar to the role Stephen Warnock plays.
 
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on June 21, 2009, 20:41
Torres interview (Daily Mail) (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1194057/EXCLUSIVE-Im-staying--time-win-title-vows-Liverpool-striker-Fernando-Torres.html?ITO=1490)

"The white shirt is very famous and for a lot of players their goal is to one day play in that Madrid shirt because they are seen by many as the biggest club in the world. The white shirt is a huge privilege for players, but for me the biggest privilege in Europe is the red shirt of Liverpool"

 

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on June 23, 2009, 05:27
Arab Sheikh Buys Majority Share of an Unnamed Premier League Club by Jamie Ward (Columnist)

Breaking News
June 21, 2009

A leading Emirates news agency today claims Sheikh Ahmed bin Saqr Al Qasimi of the Ras Al Khaimah Department of Customs and Seaports, has purchased 60 percent of a leading English Premier league club.

Reports have also said the Sheikh will become honorary life chairman of the unnamed club after the takeover is fully completed and made public.

Reuters UK have also picked up the story, broken by WAM late on Sunday 21st June, and reports that a press conference will be held at some point this week revealing further details and the club's identity.

The speculation about the unnamed club has spread like wildfire across football forums already up-to-date with the breaking news.

UAE's The National newspaper have speculated about the club in question, and claim that Sheikh Ahmed will be collaborating with Sulaiman al Fahim in the forthcoming takeover of Portsmouth.

The announcement of Sulaiman al Fahim's takeover of the South Coast outfit was announced last week, but he is currently awaiting legal and financial due-diligence investigations before the deal can be fully finalised for 100 percent control of the club.

However, supporters believe the unnamed club is not Pompey because it is unlikely two Arab powerhouses would be happy sharing the club amongst themselves, and the little profit to be made from joint ownership. There is also the unnecessary act of silence by the parties involved for a club that is already publicly being taken over.

Another leading candidate is said to be Merseyside club, Everton, solidified by Toffee's chairman, Bill Kenwright, saying he would happily stand down for the right investors in order to take the club forward.

Although, it's being questioned by forum followers as to why the new suitors would only offer to buy just 60 percent of a club, with no serious opposing rivals to ownership, that could easily be bought for the full amount by such wealthy backers.

Liverpool are also being highly considered as likely candidates, with serious unrest between the current American owners, and the impending arrival of refinancing the £350 million loan taken out to purchase the club, a power-struggle that has been played out for the last four years looks to be nearing an end, according to some followers.

There has been apparent information from inside the Anfield corridors, suggesting the Liverpool has actually already been bought out by an Arab franchise, but the club are keeping it quiet in order to acquire summer targets before transfer fees rise astronomically.

The calm demeanour of Rafa Benitez during the last few weeks when discussing transfers and money matters, alongside comments like "we may break our transfer record" this summer, have gotten Liverpool supporters really believing something is happening behind the boardroom doors at Anfield.

There is also the recent resignation of Liverpool Chairman, David Moores, who some believe is part of the terms from the new possible takeover.

The next few days and weeks will have many Liverpool supporters on the edge of their seats as they hope to see the end of the American owners' reign with the club, and new investment from Arab consortiums are, once again, being welcomed with open arms.
http://www.gulfnews.com/sport/Football/10325032.html
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Jacky on June 23, 2009, 10:01
England right-back Glen Johnson is headed to Liverpool after confirmation they have reached an agreement with both the player and his club Portsmouth.

Benitez looks set to sell Alvaro Arbeloa
The Reds have been linked with the defender for a number of weeks while Pompey executive chairman Peter Storrie claimed last week Johnson's former club Chelsea were willing to pay £18million for the 24-year-old.

And a statement from the club said: "Liverpool FC confirmed this evening that they had reached an agreement with Portsmouth Football Club and with Glen Johnson for the transfer of the player to Anfield.''

Rafael Benitez has not spoken of his interest in Johnson - many Reds fans would prefer him to reinforce his squad in other areas - but Johnson's impending arrival would seem to suggest Alvaro Arbeloa will be sold to Real Madrid sooner rather than later.

Storrie said last week: "Glen has obviously had a fantastic season season for us and has established himself as one of the best right-backs in the league if not the country at the moment.

"I've known Glen for a long time since his West Ham days so when I re-signed him we talked it over and he asked if one of the big four clubs, who were in the Champions League, came in for him would we stand in his way of a move.

"I said that I couldn't do that provided the deal is good for Portsmouth and for Glen.''

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=656599&sec=transfers&cc=4716 (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=656599&sec=transfers&cc=4716)

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Is Glen worth 18m??


Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: vieri on June 23, 2009, 10:28

Is Glen worth 18m??




For the price of an Englishman, YES!!!!!!!

I suspect Rafa is "collecting" englanders before UEFA impose the 6+5 ruling in the near future. Liverpool will suffer first going by the number of foreigners in their ranks.
There's no chance in any way, that Mascherano's great great great grandfather was once born in Stoke-On-Trent hor....

Vieri
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on June 23, 2009, 10:52
is C Ronaldo worth 80m?

it's Real's fault, plus Glen's a English player so their prices are always higher than average
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: vieri on June 23, 2009, 11:25
is C Ronaldo worth 80m?

it's Real's fault, plus Glen's a English player so their prices are always higher than average

Sad to say, C Ronaldo is already a brand & a household name. And he's only 24!!! And the 80m Real paid for him is really a gamble. The again, taking in account the Ronaldo jerseys & merchandising are going to be sold (est about 12-15mil per annum) its like his salary is being paid for by their fans.

Let's hope he's not going the way of Anelka the sulk king.

Vieri
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on June 23, 2009, 11:59
er, let's hope he does ;D

LOL
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: c0bra36 on June 23, 2009, 13:56
England right-back Glen Johnson is headed to Liverpool after confirmation they have reached an agreement with both the player and his club Portsmouth.

Benitez looks set to sell Alvaro Arbeloa
The Reds have been linked with the defender for a number of weeks while Pompey executive chairman Peter Storrie claimed last week Johnson's former club Chelsea were willing to pay £18million for the 24-year-old.

And a statement from the club said: "Liverpool FC confirmed this evening that they had reached an agreement with Portsmouth Football Club and with Glen Johnson for the transfer of the player to Anfield.''

Rafael Benitez has not spoken of his interest in Johnson - many Reds fans would prefer him to reinforce his squad in other areas - but Johnson's impending arrival would seem to suggest Alvaro Arbeloa will be sold to Real Madrid sooner rather than later.

Storrie said last week: "Glen has obviously had a fantastic season season for us and has established himself as one of the best right-backs in the league if not the country at the moment.

"I've known Glen for a long time since his West Ham days so when I re-signed him we talked it over and he asked if one of the big four clubs, who were in the Champions League, came in for him would we stand in his way of a move.

"I said that I couldn't do that provided the deal is good for Portsmouth and for Glen.''

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=656599&sec=transfers&cc=4716 (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=656599&sec=transfers&cc=4716)

==============================================

Is Glen worth 18m??


Make no sense and doubt Rafa will sell Alvaro Arbeloa as he needs 2 right back to back up each other as we have only 1 for now. Buying one and selling another doesn't reinforce their strength and depth of the team to compete with the other top 3 clubs. Thought Johnson will be a good addition to cover Arbeloa if anyone is injured during the course of next season. The concern is Arbeloa only left 1 year contract to go and don't know what is holding up and not recontracting with him  ???

Believe we still need cover for left winger.... think David Silva will be a good addition... but come with a huge price tag  ;D



Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: vieri on June 23, 2009, 15:05
Make no sense and doubt Rafa will sell Alvaro Arbeloa as he needs 2 right back to back up each other as we have only 1 for now. Buying one and selling another doesn't reinforce their strength and depth of the team to compete with the other top 3 clubs. Thought Johnson will be a good addition to cover Arbeloa if anyone is injured during the course of next season. The concern is Arbeloa only left 1 year contract to go and don't know what is holding up and not recontracting with him  ???

Believe we still need cover for left winger.... think David Silva will be a good addition... but come with a huge price tag  ;D


Skrtel or Carragher can cover the right back position. In the middle we still have Agger, though I must say losing Hyppia is sad. I'm sure Rafa has got everything figured out.
Who is David Silva? Another Brazilian ah?

Vieri
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on June 23, 2009, 15:10
Who is David Silva? Another Brazilian ah?

No, Spaniard, what else considering he's a Rafa target?   ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Jacky on June 23, 2009, 15:16
If the arabs really bought Liverpool, let's hope we can capture David Villa.......
WOW!

Pls Pls SELL Lucas Leiva for goodness sake.....
Give him away!

He is worst than sissoko.



Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: c0bra36 on June 23, 2009, 15:23
Skrtel or Carragher can cover the right back position. In the middle we still have Agger, though I must say losing Hyppia is sad. I'm sure Rafa has got everything figured out.
Who is David Silva? Another Brazilian ah?

Vieri

No disrepect to Skrtel and Carragher, both are very good defender.

At times Skrtel looks awful playing as a right back, recalled the match against Boro last season, he got the most out of it.  :-\

Carragher still rock solid as a center defender but not right back, cuz he is lacking in speed and unable to provide much support to the right winger  :P

Johnson and Arbelro both can attack and assist right winger to distract the opponents. As long as they know when to track back, our back four still rock solid in defence.  ;D

YNWA  8)



Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: c0bra36 on June 23, 2009, 15:35
If the arabs really bought Liverpool, let's hope we can capture David Villa.......
WOW!

Pls Pls SELL Lucas Leiva for goodness sake.....
Give him away!

He is worst than sissoko.



David Villa will be a damn good addition to current Liverpool squad but will be a headache for Rafa to keep both top class strikers happy. Robbie Kean is a good lesson to learn from I guess  :P

Definitely a wishful thinking but you never know what would happen next especially if the high net worth Arabs is buying into LFC.  ;D



Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: vieri on June 23, 2009, 16:04
I'm really hoping Pool will pounce on Arjen Robben. He may be selfish but arent them all? He can operate on the left & right. Riera got no puff to last the full 90min & he can only play on the left. OR another player of rafa's admiration is Saviola. he may have past his prime, but he's a tricky player & any teams would love to have his services. Very complimentary to Torres upfront. Then we can see the triangle of Torres-Gerrard-Saviola.

Vieri
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on June 23, 2009, 16:38
some how doubt Rafa likes Dutch Robben. Hopefully (but guess not possible now, seems tat he will commit his future in Spain) tat we can hoot David Villa  :-\  Carlos Tevez is a good catch, but........

know I might be bashed...but it might be nice if Owen returns. I miss those 'instinct' through passes and 'intimate' understanding betw Stevie & Owen  8)

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: vieri on June 23, 2009, 17:16
some how doubt Rafa likes Dutch Robben. Hopefully (but guess not possible now, seems tat he will commit his future in Spain) tat we can hoot David Villa  :-\  Carlos Tevez is a good catch, but........



Bro
On the contrary, and u can read it on football365, Real gave Robben the ultimatum : Find yourself another club or risk warming the bench.
I doubt Robben want to take that risk knowing next year is World Cup. And current Dutch coach, bert Van Marwijk, has explicity mentioned that any players who do not play regular club football will risk not getting selected for the Oranje.

p/s I hope Owen dont come back to Liverpool. He's too injury prone.

Vieri
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on June 23, 2009, 17:25
I know  :-[  Such a waste  :-\  but it's juz a wishing.....my head tells me Owen wont fit into the current setup, esp. Rafa's battleplan.

p/s I hope Owen dont come back to Liverpool. He's too injury prone.

Vieri
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Jacky on June 23, 2009, 20:49
some how doubt Rafa likes Dutch Robben. Hopefully (but guess not possible now, seems tat he will commit his future in Spain) tat we can hoot David Villa  :-\  Carlos Tevez is a good catch, but........

know I might be bashed...but it might be nice if Owen returns. I miss those 'instinct' through passes and 'intimate' understanding betw Stevie & Owen  8)



NO WAY!
That sly ungrateful brat held Liverpool to ransom when he left for Real Madrid for just 8 million pounds a few days before the season starts!
That was the year Benitez joined Liverpool.  

Things did not work out for him in Real and he wanted out so that he could have a shot at the world cup.
Liverpool went in for him and if he is really liverpool hearted, he would have been able to force Real to sell him back to Liverpool for 8 million pounds back.... but no... he went for BIG money Newcastle!

To me, he is getting his just desserts... Even Hull City is not keen on him....  
This man has no Loyalty to speak off - unlike Gerard and Torres.

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Jacky on June 23, 2009, 20:52
I'm really hoping Pool will pounce on Arjen Robben. He may be selfish but arent them all? He can operate on the left & right. Riera got no puff to last the full 90min & he can only play on the left. OR another player of rafa's admiration is Saviola. he may have past his prime, but he's a tricky player & any teams would love to have his services. Very complimentary to Torres upfront. Then we can see the triangle of Torres-Gerrard-Saviola.

Vieri

Nope....  Benitez love players who play to his detailed instructions... which is why he rates Dirk K so highly.
Robben is not such players....  He is too creative for Benitez liking imho.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on June 23, 2009, 20:56
Why I had to splash out on Glen Johnson - Liverpool FC boss Rafa Benitez
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2009/06/23/why-i-had-to-splash-out-on-glen-johnson-liverpool-fc-boss-rafa-benitez-100252-23949351/
“We have a plan,” added Benitez. “We can sign one more player if necessary, but that’s without any players leaving.”

The Reds boss has made it clear that he would not welcome bids for either player, but while Real have publicly stated their interest in Alonso has ended, Barcelona are refusing to give up on Mascherano despite Benitez’s very firm hands-off warning.

First to leave, however, could be Arbeloa.

“Alvaro Arbeloa has had a very good season but he has one year left on his contract,” said the Reds boss. “If he signs that will be good because we will have more competition, but if we get a good offer we will have to consider it.”

...personally I couldn't care left or right if areola leaves
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on June 23, 2009, 21:01
maybe he shouldnt have argue with jamie - the future LFC manager/coach  ;)  Think that moment of fury had hammered the nail deep in  ;D

He is OK, though. But a better replacement will be good  ;)

First to leave, however, could be Arbeloa.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on June 23, 2009, 21:04
he shouted 'put@' into carra's face which was why the scouser lost it and gave him a shove  :P
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on June 24, 2009, 09:12
Now tats y Rafa buys Johnson....£17m  ??? :o 8)  something tells me there's better EXCUSE than that  :-\  He's OK lad, but £17m  ??? ::) :o

better to ENSURE Alsonso & Mascherano stay

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Benitez defends £17m Johnson transfer fee

"We were looking for a player of quality and also somebody who is British because of the new Champions League rules. Glen Johnson fits both categories.''

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Javier Mascherano, according to reports in South America, has been making further goo-goo noises about suitors Barcelona. It looks as though the Liverpool man has set his heart on being Lionel Messi's water-carrier at Camp Nou.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: vieri on June 25, 2009, 09:59
Nope....  Benitez love players who play to his detailed instructions... which is why he rates Dirk K so highly.
Robben is not such players....  He is too creative for Benitez liking imho.

Dirt Kuyt - a sports columnist once aptly described him as a craftless winger who can't shoot straight. I'm beginning to question Rafa's wisdom at times while he persisted with playing Kuyt. He may be hardworking but for God's sake, Liverpool signed him as a striker NOT as a hardworking winger. And dont forget that Kuyt is a Dutch!!! All Dutch players are meant to possess natural skills in placing ball instead of balloning up in the air & Dutch have more football sense & trickery than any other football nation (besides Brazil)
Cmon Rafa. make a bid for Robben. This player will complete the hunt for a real out-and-out winger.

Vieri
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on June 25, 2009, 17:42
http://www.footylatest.com/david-villa-keeps-liverpool-barcelona-and-real-madrid-waiting/6539

so you guys think got chance or not? its reported over valencia radio that the move to liverpool is a done deal...if he signs I think I'll get my lazy butt over to the kallang stadium to pay homage :)

http://www.espnstar.com/football/premier-league/news/detail/item286486/Liverpool-to-make-shock-Villa-bid/
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on June 25, 2009, 19:52
wow!. tks bro for the news. I am reading it with hopeful expectation. Hopefully Torres could help to pull some strings  ;D Tis will be a more warming and breaking news than GJohnson, which still gives me the creepy doubt of how he can fit in - another failed signing like R.Keane  ::) ???

http://www.footylatest.com/david-villa-keeps-liverpool-barcelona-and-real-madrid-waiting/6539

so you guys think got chance or not? its reported over valencia radio that the move to liverpool is a done deal...if he signs I think I'll get my lazy butt over to the kallang stadium to pay homage :)

http://www.espnstar.com/football/premier-league/news/detail/item286486/Liverpool-to-make-shock-Villa-bid/
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on June 25, 2009, 20:59
you shouldn't keep your hopes too high, only believe it when he's wearing the red jersey   :o ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on July 07, 2009, 00:58
a good read this

http://www.anfieldred.co.uk/epic-fernando-torres-interview-el-pais-must-read/2913

and a nice vid (feels really weird without sami around)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vWC7fDiXnw&feature=related

this too (esp rafa's kicking with both feet!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOv3CVgIpL0&feature=related
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on July 07, 2009, 09:57
Benayoun extends contract

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N164957090706-1655.htm

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: c0bra36 on July 07, 2009, 20:27
Hopefully we can keep the entire squad there, if Alonso and Mascherano still there for next season and with an addition of new left winger, then we are almost perfect to chase for the league title next year  ;D

Real Madrid has already made offer to Liverpool to acquire Alonso and Arbeloa but didn't match the right price... just crossing my finger :-[

http://www.thisisanfield.com/topstory/2009/07/liverpool-laugh-off-real%E2%80%99s-low-offers/

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on July 07, 2009, 21:58
If barca wants marche, they have to give up yaya + cash but alonso is untouchable anyway he still has 3 years on his contract but he's sulking because rafa wanted to sell him last season for barry, him wanting an englishman but last i heard joe cole's available 
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on July 09, 2009, 22:40
Rumour of lfc target
http://community.footballpools.com/blog/2009/06/30/matias-de-federico-the-dazzling-new-messi-heading-to-liverpool/
look at his slalom run to goal ala maradona  :o
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on July 10, 2009, 09:21
Bummer! :(

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=659864&sec=england&cc=4716

Liverpool defender Fabio Aurelio could be out for the first few months of the new season after picking up an injury playing football with his children.

Reports on Thursday morning claim the 29-year-old suffered a bad twist of the knee whilst kicking a ball around on holiday and is likely to need surgery.

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Jacky on July 10, 2009, 14:19
another sick chicken
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: c0bra36 on July 11, 2009, 10:18
This might be a good and exciting news if it comes true, better still if Ribery "wanted" to join and hopefully not asking for the sky on the transfer price.  ;D

http://www.thisisanfield.com/news/transfer-speculation/2009/07/rumour-mill-reds-favourit-to-sign-ribery/
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on July 11, 2009, 20:47
introducing la Nina :)

(http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/fp/Fernando+Torres+Wife+Showing+Off+Newborn+Daughter+_e6_YbPpB26l.jpg)

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on July 14, 2009, 20:24
A guide to pre-season friendlies (copy & pasted from lfctv)

Gerrard and co play their first friendly against St Gallen on Wednesday - here's our guide to all seven of Liverpool's pre-season opponents.
St Gallen v Liverpool Friendly

St Gallen

Founded in 1879, St Gallen are Switzerland's oldest football club. They play at the AFG Arena, which holds 20,000. A look through the opposition squad won't fire up too many familiar names, though former Sunderland and West Brom defender Bernt Haas now plies his trade for the Swiss outfit. The visit of Liverpool should be the perfect way to prepare for a new season in the Swiss top flight after promotion last term.

Rapid Vienna

Another unknown quantity lies ahead in Austria where the Reds will face Rapid Vienna at the Ernst Happel Stadium, which holds 18,500. The Green-Whites have bagged 32 league titles in their history with the most recent coming in 2008. However, qualification into the Champions League was short-lived thanks to a 6-1 second qualifying round exit to Anorthosis Famagusta. Vienna will have no No.5 in their line up after it was retired until 2011 as a mark of respect for club legend Peter Schottel, who made 436 appearances between 1986-2002.

Thailand

A familiar face will lead the Thailand national side out against the Reds on July 22 - former Everton midfielder Peter Reid took charge in September 2008. Earlier this year, Reid admitted not knowing a lot about Thai football and refers to his players by squad numbers as opposed to their tongue-twisting names. Reid is joined by former Tranmere and Liverpool youth goalkeeper Steve Darby who has managed clubs in nearby Singapore and Malaysia. The Reds met the Thai national side prior to the 2003-04 campaign and ran out 3-1 winners with goals coming from Emile Heskey and a Vladimir Smicer double.

Singapore

Four days later the Singapore national side will be the opposition, and despite never meeting before, Liverpool have played against a select XI from the Singapore League in pre-season 2001. The Reds won 2-0 with strike duo Emile Heskey and Michael Owen finding the net. Ranked by FIFA at 134 in the world, the Asian side cannot wait to pit their wits against the superstars of Liverpool at the Kallang National Stadium.

Espanyol

Rafa and the boys will be the first visitors to Espanyol's new 40,000 Estadi RCDI on August 2. In the opposition line-up will be European Cup winner Steve Finnan, who was sold to the Spaniards last summer. Spanish midfielder Albert Riera will also be up against his former club where he played 72 games and netted on eight occasions. Despite living in the shadows of neighbours Barcelona, Espanyol are Spain's sixth most successful club, winning the Copa del Rey four times. Although the sides have never met, Liverpool have many happy memories of performances in the city of Barcelona, most recently in 2007 en route to the Champions League final.

FC Lyn

Next stop will be Oslo where the Reds come up against FC Lyn at the Ullevall Stadion. Again a new opposition for Rafa's men to combat, but memories of Robbie Fowler in Norway will come flooding back. Scoring arguably one of the club's greatest ever goals against Brann in 1997, the incredible Fowler flicked the ball over his head then struck it sweetly into the corner. The Norwegian national side which claimed bronze at the 1936 Olympic Games in Berlin consisted of six players from Lyn. Last season they finished 7th in the Norwegian Premier League and fell at the quarter-final stage of the Norwegian Football Cup.

Atletico Madrid

Fernando Torres' former club Atletico Madrid will be this year's only pre-season visitors to Anfield. After missing out on facing his old employers twice last season through injury, El Nino will finally get the opportunity to line up against a club where he made 214 appearances and netted 82 goals. Other familiar faces in the opposition team could be Luis Garcia and Florent Sinama Pongolle, who both played their part in Liverpool's Champions League victory in 2005. The Spaniards finished fourth in La Liga last time out so will be in the third qualifying round for the Champions League later in the month.


LfcTV is free for limited period but only for sky tv :( - all the pre-season matches are televised
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N165038090714-1002.htm

ugh feel like subscribing to e-season ticket...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on July 14, 2009, 21:11
Starhub ch 27
Club Friendly: FC St. Gallen Vs Liverpool (Live)   
01:55 AM - 04:00 AM     
 
 ;D :D ;)

My other BIG, MAJOR, SERIOUS problem - How am I supposed to catch up Championship league since it is now exclusive to MioTV  ::) ??? >:(
Am checking out pay-as-you-watch MioTV online  :-[

LfcTV is free for limited period but only for sky tv :( - all the pre-season matches are televised
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N165038090714-1002.htm
ugh feel like subscribing to e-season ticket...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on July 14, 2009, 21:26
Thanks! Didnt occur to me to check, haha...coz I just subscribed to e-season ticket (feeling stir crazy without footy on telly), anyways take it as four pounds ninety-nine added to rafa's transfer kitty :)
Sunday's game against rapid vienna is on at 1.10 am

Starhub ch 27
Club Friendly: FC St. Gallen Vs Liverpool (Live)    
01:55 AM - 04:00 AM    
 
 ;D :D ;)

My other BIG, MAJOR, SERIOUS problem - How am I supposed to catch up Championship league since it is now exclusive to MioTV  ::) ??? >:(
Am checking out pay-as-you-watch MioTV online  :-[

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Jacky on July 14, 2009, 22:32
this year transfer activities damn low... lowest in recent yrs and no big name signing :(
guess its because of the high tax rate in britain
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on July 14, 2009, 23:59
this year transfer activities damn low... lowest in recent yrs and no big name signing :(
guess its because of the high tax rate in britain

And the H1N1 community spread in UK - one of the 1st few affected countries to be declared  ;D

Starhub ch 116 usually broadcast LFC TV from 730pm to 1130pm  :)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Spunky on July 15, 2009, 07:32
this year transfer activities damn low... lowest in recent yrs and no big name signing :(
guess its because of the high tax rate in britain

perhaps everyone watching mancity and other big spenders and waiting for them to fill their squad 1st.  If can't beat them, why join them and end up in a bidding war and stuck with some lemons!! ;)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on July 16, 2009, 22:16
Cool!

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b272/kensolee/article-0-05BA1CE5000005DC-476_468x.jpg)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1200087/Jackson-revealed-Liverpool-fan--PICTURE-SPECIAL.html
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on July 17, 2009, 15:29
20 July 0110 SK Rapid Vienna vs Liverpool (Live)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on July 17, 2009, 15:43
Club Friendly: FC St. Gallen Vs Liverpool
- was a boring match that I slept after 15mins on the couch  8)

No live braodcast on 20/21 July..... >:( :( :-[

Only delayed telecast on ch166
 LFC TV - The Match Pre-Season: Liverpool Vs Rapid Vienna 09/10   
12:30 PM - 02:30 PM     
 (doubt I will be bother to take leave to stay home and to catch it.....)


20 July 0110 SK Rapid Vienna vs Liverpool (Live)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on July 17, 2009, 15:56
ya the St Gallen  0 - 0 Liverpool was a boring match

still cobwebs from the long break
Title: LFC DVDs (UK Code 2) recommended
Post by: cn9601 on July 17, 2009, 16:39
Playing the following on Oppo BDP-83 are like BD quality. Legendary goals by I.Rush, R.Fowler and S.Gerrard are recaptured with BD crystal clear on screen  ;D
 
1 of: Liverpool Official Updated History [DVD] [DVD Code 2]
By: Liverpool Fc
Condition: New
Sold by: Amazon EU S.a.r.L.
 £8.98 (SIN$21.55)
 
1 of: Liverpool's Greatest Ever Goals [DVD] [2009] [DVD Code 2]
Condition: New
Sold by: Amazon EU S.a.r.L.
 £9.55 (SIN$22.92)
 

My son & I are also revising and learning EPL football skill from the following:
1 of: Skill Factor: Premier League Soccer [DVD Code 1]
Condition: New
Sold by: Amazon.com, LLC
$17.99  (SIN$26.63)
 
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on July 18, 2009, 00:17
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/2009/07/17/madrid-close-in-on-32m-alonso-115875-21525880/

Alonso for 22mil + Sneijder or Negredo

throw in Arbeloa get both I say

Another rumour has it that D. Villa + D. Silva + 40mil for Riera + Voronin + Pacheco (loan)  :o
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: c0bra36 on July 18, 2009, 22:08
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/2009/07/17/madrid-close-in-on-32m-alonso-115875-21525880/

Alonso for 22mil + Sneijder or Negredo

throw in Arbeloa get both I say

Another rumour has it that D. Villa + D. Silva + 40mil for Riera + Voronin + Pacheco (loan)  :o


Too many rumors going on everywhere, don't know which one is the genuine one. Still hope Alonso stays back in the squad next season ;)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on July 20, 2009, 00:47
The latest rumour  ;D has it that Lfc will form some kind of alliance with valencia with DV + DS coming over and some of Lfc's first team players going over or on loan. Also XA to Rm is a done deal although he turned up for training in switzerland...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on July 20, 2009, 09:57

Seems XA's move was held up as Pool had to stretch it over this period where a so-called on-sale payment clause to his former club Real Sociedad expires. That would free up money to be discussed with Real. The politics and money of football transfers these days.  :P
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on July 20, 2009, 20:59
Highlight of this morning's match was riera fighting torres for a bun  :P
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on July 20, 2009, 22:49
It was probably a Swiss bun and well worth fighting for! ;D

let's hope they get all this seasons losses out of their system in the preseason ;)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on July 20, 2009, 23:42
Rather I hope Rafa can be aware of this losses <==> team rotation. It's good tat such enactment during pre-season can serve as a good reminder how he has tweaked here, twisted there with the team and has resulted in a disappointing season 2007/08  8)

BUT I wish my Xavi Alonso will stay  :-[  And get David Villa - tats my the other wish  ;)

It was probably a Swiss bun and well worth fighting for! ;D
let's hope they get all this seasons losses out of their system in the preseason ;)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on July 21, 2009, 00:14
 ??? :o ;D ::)
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/442/bun.gif
Title: "David Villa, he is not our target."
Post by: cn9601 on July 21, 2009, 01:36
%&*Q(&^*&)!&^)&)Q#!#@#

But Benitez emphatically ruled out any approach for the 27-year-old, saying: "David Villa, he is not our target."

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_5445060,00.html

"Xabi Alonso is here with us so he will be available," he said.

When the gaffer talks like that, there is a 1% that he is being truthful; (sigh...sobbing....) Xavi is leaving  :'(
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Spunky on July 21, 2009, 11:52
think villa is way too expensive for liverpool.  but if they can get like GBP45M for both alonso and arboela, then that could possibly fund villa...and make the loss of alonso less painful. ;)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on July 23, 2009, 23:02
Reds are here!  ;D
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N165162090723-1513.htm
...this is funny
 When the Reds arrived at Singapore airport they were greeted by a hoard of security guards at the foot of the plane, all of whom took the opportunity to produce their camera phones and break into a quiet rendition of 'You'll Never Walk Alone' as the players were taken away to a VIP lounge for refreshments
and this...
The media didn't let us down though, with the highlight being the final question from an Indonesian journalist who made a passionate speech to El Nino about how she shares the same love of music as our number nine after seeing him in a music video back in Spain
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on July 24, 2009, 02:04
Reds are here!  ;D
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N165162090723-1513.htm
...this is funny
 When the Reds arrived at Singapore airport they were greeted by a hoard of security guards at the foot of the plane, all of whom took the opportunity to produce their camera phones and break into a quiet rendition of 'You'll Never Walk Alone' as the players were taken away to a VIP lounge for refreshments

brilliant! ;)

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on July 24, 2009, 10:17
LFC reporter mis-spelt Jalan Besar - 红毛 红毛. I can forgive them anyway. My REDS mah.... ;D

"The Reds enjoyed their first run-out on Singapore soil at the Jalon Bezar sports club in early evening."

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N165162090723-1513.htm
Title: 26 July Sunday - HD5 and Ch5 - Singapore vs Liverpool (Live)
Post by: cn9601 on July 24, 2009, 10:37
Yippie  ;D  :D ;)  I save $176 ($88 per ticket)

26 July Sunday
06:50 PM  Sports   Liverpool Tour of Asia 2009
Singapore vs Liverpool (Live)
Catch the exclusive 'live' telecast of the match between Liverpool and Singapore held tonight at the National Stadium!
 
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Darthfunk on July 24, 2009, 10:43
Go LIONS!  :P hehehe
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on July 24, 2009, 10:46
 >:( :o :P ::) ???

You are in the WRONG channel and post - start a new thread "Little Lions league articles/interesting reads/discussion"  ;)

Go LIONS!  :P hehehe
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Darthfunk on July 24, 2009, 11:11
>:( :o :P ::) ???

You are in the WRONG channel and post - start a new thread "Little Lions league articles/interesting reads/discussion"  ;)


lol its meant to be a cheeky post and you fall for it! ;D

Its going to be an interesting sunday night, glad the game is live! :)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on July 24, 2009, 11:21
I know  ;)

otherwise, rest assured I will post more than a series of emoticons  ;D

I am chilling a dozen cans of Tigers oredi!  Well, at least my son and I can now watch it at the comfy of Home Ground couch, potato chips..... 8)

lol its meant to be a cheeky post and you fall for it! ;D

Its going to be an interesting sunday night, glad the game is live! :)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Darthfunk on July 24, 2009, 11:43
I know  ;)

otherwise, rest assured I will post more than a series of emoticons  ;D

I am chilling a dozen cans of Tigers oredi!  Well, at least my son and I can now watch it at the comfy of Home Ground couch, potato chips..... 8)


Yea arranging with my buddy (another liverpool fan) to catch the game at his place. ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on July 24, 2009, 14:20

Would have flown back to catch the match and meet up with family and friends. Well at least there is the live telecast while changing nappies and humming YNWA to the little one.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: zenit on July 24, 2009, 14:42
I know  ;)

otherwise, rest assured I will post more than a series of emoticons  ;D

I am chilling a dozen cans of Tigers oredi!  Well, at least my son and I can now watch it at the comfy of Home Ground couch, potato chips..... 8)


Good for you (your son also support the Reds)  :)

My one !@@#$%^& support MU...  >:(
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Jacky on July 24, 2009, 15:31
LOL  my girl 3 yrs old + wife+ dad + me = You will nvr walk alone!
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on July 24, 2009, 15:48
Would have flown back to catch the match and meet up with family and friends. Well at least there is the live telecast while changing nappies and humming YNWA to the little one.

Eh, you had a kid recently?  Congratulations to you and the missus!!
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on July 24, 2009, 15:57
But when playing Fifa09, he will choose ManU lei  :o 8) :-[  He has the mis-understanding that Fifa09 Liverpool players stats are not better than ManU (and/or Chelsea)  >:(

But-but he literally knows the players better than me, even some of their birthdates. And he is only 8yrs old  ;)  I am a proud father  ;D

Fortunately, HD5 is beaming LIVE. Otherwise, I dun know how to answer to him that I cant afford the $88 lei  :o

Anyway, on paper, I will cheer for the REDS and Singapore, so that I am politically and diplomatically right.

Good for you (your son also support the Reds)  :)

My one !@@#$%^& support MU...  >:(
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: francis woo on July 24, 2009, 15:57
Liverpool has accepted a final bid of 35 million pounds for XA from RM.............. :P  Bye Xabi
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: sigurros on July 24, 2009, 16:51
Liverpool has accepted a final bid of 35 million pounds for XA from RM.............. :P  Bye Xabi

Where you got the info bro?

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: francis woo on July 24, 2009, 17:23
Where you got the info bro?


SportsCenter Asia.....weekly notification update to my iPhone.......... :D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: zenit on July 24, 2009, 17:25
But when playing Fifa09, he will choose ManU lei  :o 8) :-[  He has the mis-understanding that Fifa09 Liverpool players stats are not better than ManU (and/or Chelsea)  >:(

But-but he literally knows the players better than me, even some of their birthdates. And he is only 8yrs old  ;)  I am a proud father  ;D

Fortunately, HD5 is beaming LIVE. Otherwise, I dun know how to answer to him that I cant afford the $88 lei  :o

Anyway, on paper, I will cheer for the REDS and Singapore, so that I am politically and diplomatically right.


LOL
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Jacky on July 24, 2009, 17:30
My prediction is that we will have a bad start to the new campaign. Gerard not involve in pre-season, Alonso and mascherano rumours too distracting...  Chelski and Manure seem to have more stability... Arsenal = forget it.  City = disharmony sooner or later. there will definitely be a lack of teamwork among the strikers cause everyone vieing for starting place.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on July 24, 2009, 20:38
Gerrard Not Guilty  :)

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=662823&sec=england&campaign=rss&source=soccernet&cc=4716

... please take the next flight out to stinkapore  ;D

Torres & Carra shake Singapore

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N165168090724-1015.htm

pics

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N165169090724-1052.htm

Rafa on Gerrard verdict

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N165171090724-1352.htm

Benitez, meanwhile, welcomed back Yossi Benayoun and Xabi Alonso to full training this evening, but Glen Johnson missed the session with an Achilles problem.
 
"We have to be careful with Glen because he is still feeling his Achilles," added the boss.
 
"I was very happy to have Yossi and Xabi back. They were working very hard, the tempo of the session was fantastic and the fans really enjoyed it.

>>> seems like XA is back training with the squad so the transfer might not be done yet, from what I gather if the deal's done they won't dare risk any injury
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: francis woo on July 24, 2009, 20:59
Gerrard Not Guilty


What do you expect!!!!......... ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on July 24, 2009, 21:03
The prosecution had a QC ...shiver me timbers  :P
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on July 24, 2009, 21:24
And we start again the 1st match away at Spurs  8)

My prediction is that we will have a bad start to the new campaign.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on July 24, 2009, 21:27
My heart shouts WHEW!  ;D  :D  8)

My head ponders - MUST BE SOME POWER AT PLAY  :-\  'Celebrities' have their fair share of "privillege"  ::)  :P

Anyway, who cares - just enjoy the game ....  8)

Gerrard Not Guilty  :)
Title: Re: 26 July Sunday - HD5 and Ch5 - Singapore vs Liverpool (Live)
Post by: c0bra36 on July 25, 2009, 11:40
Yippie  ;D  :D ;)  I save $176 ($88 per ticket)

26 July Sunday
06:50 PM  Sports   Liverpool Tour of Asia 2009
Singapore vs Liverpool (Live)
Catch the exclusive 'live' telecast of the match between Liverpool and Singapore held tonight at the National Stadium!
 
Seriously huh, got live telecast in HD5? That's good news.. probably not fair to the LFC fans that already bought the tickets.  ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on July 25, 2009, 15:29
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b272/kensolee/singtrain1.jpg)

Rafa : "Xabi, maybe you should stay"
XA : "sniff Ok but I need a group hug in the dressing room"
Babel : "sniff Don't know what they're mumbling in spanish, but very emo"
Agger : "Chey, so emo...let me tattoo your names on each other back at the hotel ok"

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/2009/07/25/liverpool-players-jump-for-joy-on-hearing-their-captain-steven-gerrard-is-free-115875-21545760/
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: asianboy on July 26, 2009, 21:05
what an embarrassment for Singapore. Even singapore players support Liverpool they should not give away goals like that.  ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on July 26, 2009, 21:56
actually ah ... manu must have lfc supporters also because they gave away four at old trafford  ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: asianboy on July 26, 2009, 21:59
actually ah ... manu must have lfc supporters also because they gave away four at old trafford  ;D

nah thats different. They gave away goals out of pity to give liverpool false hope.  ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on July 26, 2009, 23:26
well, you gotta wake up and smell the reality because only poor losers will claim to be the better team after a drubbing ... oh wait i think someone actually did from old toilet :) ...figures  ::)

oh and speaking of the devil

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/jul/26/sir-alex-ferguson-manchester-united-interview

he must have spat out spittle at the juornos when he uttered the last two paras :)
and i bet rafa must be rotflhao :)
and he's calling wenger arsene now that he doesnt see him a threat esp with adebayor and nasri gone ... big mistake
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: asianboy on July 26, 2009, 23:57
whatever! i was in wrong thread anyway.  ;D Was just expressing anger after Singapore got beaten by 5-0. Thats all.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on July 27, 2009, 00:44
well, its a civil discussion...and its so quiet in here  :(
talking about wrong place ... apparently there was a nut job who wore a man u jersey to the match and got such a hostile reaction from the crowd that the security got him to change out into a sg jersey  ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on July 27, 2009, 07:23
... apparently there was a nut job who wore a man u jersey to the match

"there's a thin line between bravery and stupidity" ;D

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: jonlee on July 27, 2009, 09:37
"there's a thin line between bravery and stupidity" ;D



Well, at least he did not come is a blue Everton shirt.   ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on July 27, 2009, 10:24
Well, at least he did not come is a blue Everton shirt.   ;D

Had the game been in England, I think a fan in an Everton shirt would be relatively safe among the Liverpool fans.  It's the Mancs that the Reds truly despise. 
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: asianboy on July 27, 2009, 10:36
Had the game been in England, I think a fan in an Everton shirt would be relatively safe among the Liverpool fans.  It's the Mancs that the Reds truly despise. 

For real? Well everyone hates Mancs just like everyone hates schufosi  :P
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Spunky on July 27, 2009, 11:17
Had the game been in England, I think a fan in an Everton shirt would be relatively safe among the Liverpool fans.  It's the Mancs that the Reds truly despise. 

think most liverpool fans here hardly bother about everton coz we don't feel the intensity of the merseyside rivalry here.  in fact, i quite like them in the 80s coz many liverpool reserves could find a job there...except for the 2 seasons they won the league! :P
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on July 27, 2009, 13:41
nice pictorial here
http://lfcglobe.com/picture-special-singapore-0-5-liverpool/
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on July 27, 2009, 14:30
think most liverpool fans here hardly bother about everton coz we don't feel the intensity of the merseyside rivalry here.  in fact, i quite like them in the 80s coz many liverpool reserves could find a job there...except for the 2 seasons they won the league! :P

In Liverpool itself (the city), Reds and Blues come from the same families from throughout the city, so the rivalry has always been friendlier.  ManYoo are of course from a different city, but even in Manchester itself, United and City fans will tend to be more segregated, making the rivalry more intense.  Likewise with, say Arsenal v. Tottenham.

It isn't always about success, after all, since some of the lower-division rivalries can be just as intense as those in the top flight. 
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: scoobydoo on July 27, 2009, 14:35
Seeing Alonso in real live action and I can feel the class and finesse in his passes. I really hope he stays.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on July 27, 2009, 16:57
nice pictorial here
http://lfcglobe.com/picture-special-singapore-0-5-liverpool/

Thanks for the link. Nice pics.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on July 27, 2009, 17:47
In fact, besides D.Kuyt being my man-of-the-match, X.Alonso is my 2nd (sorie not Nemeth). Xabi once again demonstrates his influencial presence in the mid-field, wif his graceful string passes  :o

Hopefully to see Xabi donning LFC jersey on 15 August aginst Spurs  ::)

Seeing Alonso in real live action and I can feel the class and finesse in his passes. I really hope he stays.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: c0bra36 on July 27, 2009, 18:52
In fact, besides D.Kuyt being my man-of-the-match, X.Alonso is my 2nd (sorie not Nemeth). Xabi once again demonstrates his influencial presence in the mid-field, wif his graceful string passes  :o

Hopefully to see Xabi donning LFC jersey on 15 August aginst Spurs  ::)

Can't agree more, Kuyt is the MOTM and nice to see him wearing the captain arm-band  ;)

Me too, like to see Alonso staying back next season, the league title looks so close now.... ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Jacky on July 27, 2009, 19:35
I vote for Nemeth. His 2 goals reminds me of Robbie Fowler predatory goals.
inexperience still judging from his tackles but could be a revelation this coming season... definitely better than Ngog.
The one for the future!
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on July 27, 2009, 20:25
Given that Torres continues to be our primary front man, Nemeth (while appears promising) may lack the time and space to shine. I wouldnt wanna to see another saga like R.Keane, who in my opinion is one influential front man. Well, ppl may argue Nemeth and R.Keane are different - but well, just my opinion.

In the absence of Stevie, Kuyt without any doubt, proves to partner very well with Torres. Torres & Nemeth  ::) ???  :-\ At times, both appear to get into each other way - (ahem) like saga of Torres & R.Keane.

Hopefully Rafa has seen the gem in Nemeth and given all these pre-season matches, he and his coaching staffs have developed a powderful equation.....WOW! I cant wait for the new season to start.

Too bad, I miss seeing G.Johnson in action - hope to watch him play to prove my personal critics about him wrong - dun bash me, tis juz my opinion abt him.


I vote for Nemeth. His 2 goals reminds me of Robbie Fowler predatory goals.
inexperience still judging from his tackles but could be a revelation this coming season... definitely better than Ngog.
The one for the future!
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: mac on July 28, 2009, 20:52
Had the game been in England, I think a fan in an Everton shirt would be relatively safe among the Liverpool fans.  It's the Mancs that the Reds truly despise. 
It'll be interesting to see what would happen to the Everton fan should Everton scored the winning goal in the last minute and he's to celebrate.... :-)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Jacky on July 28, 2009, 21:24
Had the game been in England, I think a fan in an Everton shirt would be relatively safe among the Liverpool fans.  It's the Mancs that the Reds truly despise. 

all wrong.... derby game are the worst... just look at the number of red cards in derbies.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on July 28, 2009, 21:27
O, tat reminds eme  ;D :D

Alonso is our talisman to ensure some ManUs to be sent off in literally every match !

all wrong.... derby game are the worst... just look at the number of red cards in derbies.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on July 28, 2009, 22:09
It'll be interesting to see what would happen to the Everton fan should Everton scored the winning goal in the last minute and he's to celebrate.... :-)

Armoury is right. There are supporters of both sides within families in Liverpool and it is not uncommon to see siblings following different clubs. It just makes for more ribbing and crowing rights within the family.
Title: ALONSO IN DESPERATE "GET ME OUT OF ANFIELD" PLEA
Post by: SiriuslyCold on July 29, 2009, 09:52
lewlian, congrats on the new addition. free advice: breastfeeding is best (it sure got me out of having to wake up for night feedings!)

meanwhile ... back at Anfield

Quote
ALONSO IN DESPERATE "GET ME OUT OF ANFIELD" PLEA
By Martin ********ing Samuel

XABI'S ELEVENTH HOUR CALL TO ESCAPE ANFIELD HELL

SECOND CALL BEGS "GET ME AWAY AS SOON AS POSSIBLE"

Liverpool's want away midfielder Xabi Alonso yesterday made a desperate phone bid to escape from Anfield.

The Spanish star, 27, found himself trapped in a toilet cubicle by a faulty lock after going to Anfield to pick his pay statement up. Staff at the stadium, 125, did not realise that Xabi was stuck in the toilet and left at knock off, locking outside doors and bolting the famous Shankly Gates.

The Basque Belter managed to free himself from the toilet at around eleven o'clock last night, but was forced to call the Anfield caretaker to ask him to open the stadium doors and release him from his Anfield hell.

The want away star then called a taxi, asking them to collect him as soon as possible, as he had Sky Plussed the Walking With Dinosaurs marathon on Watch and wanted to get home to see them.

A fee, believe to be in the region of £15 was agreed to allow the Rioja Rocket to leave Anfield and return to his home, according to a Mr Dave E Liver, interviewed this morning on condition of annonimity.

Liverpool fans reacted with fury at the story of Alonso's desperate bid to leave Anfield. Terrence ********wit, a poster on popular fan site www.redandwhitekop.com, angrily commented "f*** him if he won't tell us every single thing about his life immediately. I've bought two replica shirts and an end of season DVD in the last five years, so I clearly have more right to know what is in his mind than his family."

Title: Re: ALONSO IN DESPERATE "GET ME OUT OF ANFIELD" PLEA
Post by: armoury on July 29, 2009, 11:24
meanwhile ... back at Anfield

Heh, when I saw the partial title on the Index page of the forum, which only said "Alonso in desperate plea...", I thought it was Fernando Alonso making a plea to Ferrari to get him out of Renault, given the 'opportunity' that has arisen with Massa's accident.
Title: Re: ALONSO IN DESPERATE "GET ME OUT OF ANFIELD" PLEA
Post by: lewlian on July 29, 2009, 11:30
lewlian, congrats on the new addition. free advice: breastfeeding is best (it sure got me out of having to wake up for night feedings!)

meanwhile ... back at Anfield


thanks mate. no encouragement needed from me on the b/f part. however still get woken up occasionally. not useful now but don't mind during Champions League actually. LOL.
Title: Schumi comeback
Post by: kelso on July 30, 2009, 01:16
Alonso not needed at Ferari and hopefully also not at Real...schumi making a comeback

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/77418

wonder if its true and if he'll qualify for Q3
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on August 03, 2009, 22:19
Tommorow (tuesday) night on channel 116 at 8pm :

Espanyol vs Liverpool
 ;D
Delayed telecast, but a warning tho - the score not too good ....
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on August 04, 2009, 10:41
Bro, diehard Reds will oredi know the score, in fact, on the very day the match finishes  8)  IMHO, it's another reality check......conceded 3 goals do not look good, and if we to lose Xabi....Oh...OH....OH! tsk..tsk..tsk..reading between media reports and having Xabi still slient abt his go-about, it does appear that his heart is decolouring from Red to White, maybe too much bleaching powder  :P

cant wait for the 1st EPL match to kick off on 15 Aug AWAY @ Spurs. Dun now whether it is LIVE, coz all EPL matches kick off on the same day at the same time(???).


Espanyol vs Liverpool
 ;D
Delayed telecast, but a warning tho - the score not too good ....
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Jacky on August 04, 2009, 11:43
hopefully liverpool can hold him for 1 more yr and then sell him off. (just like C Ronaldo case). This way, Benitez will have time to find a replacement.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Spunky on August 04, 2009, 16:26
with his heart not at liverpool, i think it's better to just bite the bullet and grab the money! 
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: jonlee on August 04, 2009, 16:37

cant wait for the 1st EPL match to kick off on 15 Aug AWAY @ Spurs. Dun now whether it is LIVE, coz all EPL matches kick off on the same day at the same time(???).



Starhub will be showing all EPL matches live this coming season on 6 channels.  21, 22, 27, 118, 119, 120!  So liverpool fans can watch liverpool every week.

I'll be watching spurs...   ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Jacky on August 04, 2009, 16:43
with his heart not at liverpool, i think it's better to just bite the bullet and grab the money! 

The isn't anyone in the team now that can fill the shoes of even a "half hearted" alonso.  would you like to see more of Lucas Leiva? lol.....
New buys wll take time to settle into the pace of EPL.....
gonna be disastrous if we lose him for this season.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Darthfunk on August 04, 2009, 16:45
Starhub will be showing all EPL matches live this coming season on 6 channels.  21, 22, 27, 118, 119, 120!  So liverpool fans can watch liverpool every week.

I'll be watching spurs...   ;D

Any additional channels for HD or just 304?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on August 04, 2009, 17:31
(sigh) guess once there is 心病 (personal grudge), there's no turning back......literally in all media reports, the cause of Xabi's wanting to leave LFC is bcos of Rafa wanting to sell him to bring in Barry. Personally, I will be disappointed as well. MORE SO now when that guy has gone ahead to join Light Blues (aka ManC), and Xabi must be thinking his dignity is further dented by someone who ultimately is not interested to join Reds........

But again we can only read from media reports - how much truth?????? (Sigh......)

I am VERY SURE that he has seen the banners and posters 'pleading' him to stay REDS, but the fans powder does not seem to move him  :-X :-[ :'(

With Mascherano likely off to Barca......OMG! I cant visualise 15 Aug to see L.Lucas in the mid-field  :o

Tink better save my $1000 bet on LFC for 2009/10 title  8)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: c0bra36 on August 04, 2009, 20:28
Losing Alonso is a "real pain" to all LFC fans, but I guess we have to be positive and looked forward. Hopefully Rafa can turn thing around quick to get a "quality" replacement soon... having said that, he still needs time to gel with the team.  :P
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on August 04, 2009, 20:37
Rafa really is trapped between a rock and a hard place (ok now I have a vision of a chubby rafa wedged between a rock & the gates of anfield ) - XA did not perform well for 07/08 season and rafa wanted to sell him off to juve. But then 08/09 he was top contender for mvp. XA had a right to sulk but RB had to have interest of the team - if your engine is not performing then you got to keep an eye out for a new replacement (and keeping in mine there was only spare change in Lfc's coffers, he had to sell in order to buy - none of the privilege that rotten madrid has of collecting players)
Title: Reds confirm Real talks - Liverpool in discussion over Alonso's future
Post by: cn9601 on August 04, 2009, 20:44
The last 5mins or so has been my worst time of my life  :-X :-[ :'( And I shed a few tears for the fun of it  ;)

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_5470387,00.html

"Liverpool have confirmed they are in talks with Real Madrid over the proposed transfer of Xabi Alonso, with the Spain international welcoming the discussions over his future."

"My stance has been clear, as you all know. I'm a professional and I must wait for an agreement to be reached, but I hope it is resolved soon, for better or for worse."
Title: Xavi Alonso gone...
Post by: yellowhandman on August 05, 2009, 01:59
BBC and Guardian reporting that Alonso has been sold...

IMHO losing Alonso is a bigger blow to Liverpool than losing Ronaldo is to United...United have other players who can potentially rise to the challenge and score (Rooney, Berbatov, and now Owen), but Liverpool has no obvious replacement for Alonso. Gerrard will have to drop back more to cover midfield with Mascherano, and that'll leave Torres up on his own.

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on August 05, 2009, 03:41
Xabi is the shabby gingerbeard, whereas

Xavi is the savvy barca midfielder

comprender?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Spunky on August 05, 2009, 08:10
Rafa really is trapped between a rock and a hard place (ok now I have a vision of a chubby rafa wedged between a rock & the gates of anfield ) - XA did not perform well for 07/08 season and rafa wanted to sell him off to juve. But then 08/09 he was top contender for mvp. XA had a right to sulk but RB had to have interest of the team - if your engine is not performing then you got to keep an eye out for a new replacement (and keeping in mine there was only spare change in Lfc's coffers, he had to sell in order to buy - none of the privilege that rotten madrid has of collecting players)

I believe the cause of that saga was Gerrard who wanted barry at liverpool.  since benitez hasn't any money, he gotta sell someone big enough and I guess it so happened that juve came in for alonso....the rest history
Title: THAT'S IT !!! Xabi is GONER!
Post by: cn9601 on August 05, 2009, 10:02
Official-
"Liverpool Football Club this evening confirmed they had reached agreement for the sale of Xabi Alonso to Real Madrid, subject only to a medical. The terms of the deal will remain confidential and undisclosed."


Un-Offical-
"Liverpool's Xabi Alonso is poised to sign for Real Madrid on Wednesday after the clubs agreed a fee believed to be £30m for the Spain international."
(http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=665148&sec=transfers&cc=4716)


The new thread after 'Alonso Please Dun Go' will be 'How Should We Spend that £30m' - well life moves on, I guess  :D

Finally I can sleep better and I can release also X.Alonso in my Fifa game proflie  ;)  Hmmmm....maybe I will bid for T.Henry  ;D and to partner up front wif Torres wif Stevie juz behind.......hmmmmmm  :D

Hmmmmm....wonder how Addidas is going to do wif those figure-size Alonso at their shop front. SAF ought to be interested to use it for CTSS, well at least 50m close-shot practice  ;D 8)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: yellowhandman on August 05, 2009, 10:12
Xabi is the shabby gingerbeard, whereas

Xavi is the savvy barca midfielder

comprender?

Whatever. Not a Liverpool fan. Just know that selling X Alonso makes them weaker.  ;D

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on August 05, 2009, 10:17
As in all romance, what is the point of keeping the Body, when the Heart is with someone else - (ahem) another club  ;D

Just call and update my 8-yr old little one - He is sad........

Next - sell Leiva Lucas, ooopss irrelevant post  8)

Whatever. Not a Liverpool fan. Just know that selling X Alonso makes them weaker.  ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Jacky on August 05, 2009, 10:55
use the money to buy villa. drop gerard back in mid..... woot
Title: Re: Xavi Alonso gone...
Post by: vp171s on August 05, 2009, 11:39
Gerrard will have to drop back more to cover midfield with Mascherano, and that'll leave Torres up on his own.

For sure playing with only 10 men would be a tall order  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on August 05, 2009, 16:51
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2009/08/05/alberto-aquilani-must-prove-fitness-to-liverpool-fc-as-xabi-alonso-s-move-agreed-100252-24318151/

Well I'm hoping Rafa'll max out his credit card and buy DV too.

http://www.goal.com/en/news/12/spain/2009/08/05/1422750/valencia-in-a-mess-again-as-dalport-investments-fail-to-pay

the iron is hot so to speak
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on August 05, 2009, 17:28
)&%)*_^*)(^#!^$&$%!(%)!^ 

WT*?!

"Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson has written off Liverpool's title chances and declared Chelsea to be biggest threat to his team's hopes of retaining their Premier League crown."

(http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=665189&sec=england&cc=4716)

After Alonso, and mayb Mascherano off to Barca......mayb the Devil is lookin at his crystal ball  ::) ???
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on August 05, 2009, 18:02
And so the mind games begin...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on August 05, 2009, 22:24
he's starting slightly early this season LOL but i'm kinda glad he's taking his eyes off us


wow 30M for Xavi... the bigsoccer guys have a thread .. 30M more than Parry would have gotten

I can't believe he's had 5 years at Anfield; thanks for the memories (most of all, the UCL win and those long distance goals)

p.s Armoury, check out the Porcupine Tree thread in the music area and listen to Time Flies
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on August 06, 2009, 09:11

Good business done on Alonso. Preferred he didn't go but life goes on. Will await the actual replacement(s) when I see the deal done instead of the 1,000 names being thrown up.

As for Parry, he couldn't sell anything for nuts even if he was the only seller in a roomful of desperate buyers.

Another 10 days to go and I have access now to 6 sports channels on my satellite!!
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on August 06, 2009, 09:26

Bit slow there...just saw the confirmation for Alberto Aquilani...hope he stays injury free.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Jacky on August 06, 2009, 10:16
worried.... nvr heard of him??
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on August 06, 2009, 10:46
italian international... IF he stays fit ;)

 
Title: Aquilani - who? Who's That???!
Post by: cn9601 on August 06, 2009, 10:51
£20million for a 病猫 (sick cat)  :o ::) ??? :( >:(  And he's supposed to play in such physical EPL...maybe Rafa should consider getting our little lion mid-fielder (tat guy who has been giving Mascherano a HARD time), not even a fraction of £1million  :P

"The price is thought to be in the region of £20million with Aquilani now set for a medical before sealing a move that would see manager Rafa Benitez replace Xabi Alonso."
(http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_5475021,00.html)

"But Aquilani’s fitness – or rather the lack of it – could prove a sticking point as the 25-year-old is currently sidelined having undergone surgery on his right ankle back in May."
(http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2009/08/05/alberto-aquilani-must-prove-fitness-to-liverpool-fc-as-xabi-alonso-s-move-agreed-100252-24318151/)



Strange that the gaffer has to clarify his credentials.......guess some people are oredi questionning this so-call exciting addition of his :P

"I think the signing should excite the fans....."
"I always remember one game - England versus Italy U21s at Wembley, and he was man of the match in a 3-0 win."
(http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N165317090805-2039.htm)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Spunky on August 06, 2009, 13:22
Maybe Rafa will ask him to borrow and watch some video featuring jan molby...and tell him...
"See that fat guy there?  See that circle in the middle of the field?  Just follow what he did - stay in the circle and don't run around!" ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on August 06, 2009, 14:20
wow 30M for Xavi... the bigsoccer guys have a thread .. 30M more than Parry would have gotten

I can't believe he's had 5 years at Anfield; thanks for the memories (most of all, the UCL win and those long distance goals)

p.s Armoury, check out the Porcupine Tree thread in the music area and listen to Time Flies

I was wondering -- with 40M quid burning a hole in his pocket, why didn't Wenger try for Alonso?  Oh well.

(Will do, SC.)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on August 07, 2009, 11:22
I was wondering -- with 40M quid burning a hole in his pocket, why didn't Wenger try for Alonso?  Oh well.

(Will do, SC.)

Money aside, doubt Alonso wanted to move to another English club whereas the calling of RM is another thing for Spaniards (Basque guys aside).
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on August 07, 2009, 12:30
Money aside, doubt Alonso wanted to move to another English club whereas the calling of RM is another thing for Spaniards (Basque guys aside).

Or Catalans.  Hence I never blink when I read of RM trying to get Fabregas.  Barcelona, on the other hand, I fully expect him to 'return' to someday.  I just hope it's much later,and we get a big fat fee for him at the time.

Yeah, I suppose Alonso wanted to 'go home' as well.  Also, with Sterling in the toilet, earning Euros is that much more attractive now, especially for someone who would ultimately retire in a Euro-area and not in England anyway.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: silencer13 on August 07, 2009, 12:38
Or Catalans.  Hence I never blink when I read of RM trying to get Fabregas.  Barcelona, on the other hand, I fully expect him to 'return' to someday.  I just hope it's much later,and we get a big fat fee for him at the time.

Yeah, I suppose Alonso wanted to 'go home' as well.  Also, with Sterling in the toilet, earning Euros is that much more attractive now, especially for someone who would ultimately retire in a Euro-area and not in England anyway.

Yup! And not forgetting the new tax laws in UK.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Jacky on August 08, 2009, 23:24

WTF is Benitez thinking? he bought  Aquilani for 20 mil pounds and he is sidelined for the 1st 2 months of EPL...............
Can kiss the title goodbye. Liverpool does not have the required quality in midfield. They will prob draw a lot fo the 1st few games.
 
Title: Re: Aquilani - who? Who's That???!
Post by: cn9601 on August 08, 2009, 23:30
oredi said he is a 病猫 (sick cat)   lor :o ::) ??? :( >:(

tsk....tsk...tsk.....Rafa....Rafa....wait till he starts his rotation tingy again..tsk.tsk....tsk  ::)
Title: Re: Aquilani - who? Who's That???!
Post by: lewlian on August 09, 2009, 00:04
tsk....tsk...tsk.....Rafa....Rafa....wait till he starts his rotation tingy again..tsk.tsk....tsk  ::)

Instead of following the often but errorneously hyped issue, you may want to read the very first post in this thread concerning rotation...

some additional info and stats from one of Tomkin's (http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/NG164667090608-0834.htm) recent column too..
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Jacky on August 09, 2009, 10:10
Paul Tomkins is a DIE HARRRRRRRRD columnist for Liverpool. Everything he wrote and statistics that he has provided are all one sided... which is why his article are posted on liverpoolfc website. As a fan, I support liverpool but at the same time, I also know that Rafe does have tinkering tendency. I hope he will not be reverting back his ways. We manage to reach 2nd place last year because he DID stop tinkering and Benitez himself admitted that even. I just hope he is not placing his hope on lucas Leiva in the interim while waiting for sick cat to return. Lucan is a championship player, not a premiew league player imo.
Title: Re: Aquilani - who? Who's That???!
Post by: cn9601 on August 09, 2009, 10:47
bro, i not one hyped-REDS juz for past >20yrs LOL  ;D  I read articles (official & UNofficial ones) and watch official LFC TV lei....So based on all these sources and watching literally REDS matches week-in week-out, I am expressing my personal concern abt his rotation tactics. And whether the gaffer thinks it is necessary officially, I do not necessary agree with him, like many of former REDS players (and I think some current players, if I dare to say).
While I cant cite the page the time the link (quite sure it's LFC official), I remember the gaffer expressing something of 'rotating too often in 2007/2008 for at least ONE good reason of the many reasons tat there were many matches bcos REDS competed in too many tournaments and trophies....ya...ya...blah-blah', and so we saw less of it in 2008/2009 and the 1st team was kinda more cohesive and played wif better mutual understanding  8)

Therefore, it is not following say-so-there-and-there, if you read official LFC Message Boards, REDS have and are discussing this rotation tactic of his......... ;)

Instead of following the often but errorneously hyped issue, you may want to read the very first post in this thread concerning rotation...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on August 09, 2009, 20:58

I just do not think the so called rotation is the cause of us not winning. All managers need to rotate and those who believe a team can play so many matches without changing is not facing reality. It just so happened someone in the media linked it to Rafa and it was picked up and harped on needlessly.

Unless we play one team for the league and another for the rest of the cups. Not forgetting players getting injured or exhausted from national team duties where they travel halfway across the globe given the multi nationals in teams these days.

And with due respect to former players, some of them are better off in their playing days but the public always need pundits/quotes to be controversial...look at it another way, are they managers now?

As for Lucas, I still have doubts that he can step up and hope he can prove me wrong.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Jacky on August 11, 2009, 17:41
"I just do not think the so called rotation is the cause of us not winning." ----- correct. it is not the cause. It is just one of the cause.  :)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dude on August 11, 2009, 18:33
Well, every team rotates. If not, why would you need a 24, 22, or 20 man team? Just have 14 (11 starters + 3 subs) will do. That will cut the wage bill for sure.

And if you don't rotate, then you need subs who are proven to be able to come in immediately and have an understanding with the players already on the pitch, to sit on the bench. How many would be willing to do that?

So this rotation is needed to given them experience, both in playing in the high-tempo matches, and to establish an understanding with the first-choice players.

The only reason the rotation is more obvious for Liverpool, is that the players coming in are nowhere near good enough, compared to the bench at Chelski and Man U. The bench at Arsenal may not be as good as Chelski/Man U, but somehow, they are able to blend in better with the first team compared to the subs at Liverpool...
Title: Ai-Yo Talk about Rotation again........
Post by: cn9601 on August 11, 2009, 23:23
Given the REDS will consistently participate in literally all major games, and I hope always, rotation is not a dirty word or even unjustificable tactic of the gaffer. And I think literally REDS supporters are not against rotation.

BUT rotation keeps popping-up and being questioned bcos specifically in 2007/2008, the gaffer could suddenly 'upset' the whole team formation and understanding by doing almost a wholesome rotation  :o  When he tamed down this habit of his in 2008/2009, the 1st team was more consistent and mutual understanding started to evolved. While the UEFA Championship Title of 2005 has been the talk of the town in the history of UEFA, IMHO I like the team in 2008/2009.

IMHO nobody is questioning 25 players we need and the concern of several major games we are playing, but reading deep into REDS' concern is the 'literal' wholesome players rotation and should I say changeover. IMHO overhauling of >3players will upset the team and mutual understanding.

But also it is likely that we do not have the depth and mindset of (which I hate to admit) Devils, Gunners and Blues, where their players could come in almost anytime and play as a team like brothers and sisters  :P

YNWA  :D
Title: Re: Ai-Yo Talk about Rotation again........
Post by: Jacky on August 12, 2009, 11:07
Given the REDS will consistently participate in literally all major games, and I hope always, rotation is not a dirty word or even unjustificable tactic of the gaffer. And I think literally REDS supporters are not against rotation.

BUT rotation keeps popping-up and being questioned bcos specifically in 2007/2008, the gaffer could suddenly 'upset' the whole team formation and understanding by doing almost a wholesome rotation  :o  When he tamed down this habit of his in 2008/2009, the 1st team was more consistent and mutual understanding started to evolved. While the UEFA Championship Title of 2005 has been the talk of the town in the history of UEFA, IMHO I like the team in 2008/2009.

IMHO nobody is questioning 25 players we need and the concern of several major games we are playing, but reading deep into REDS' concern is the 'literal' wholesome players rotation and should I say changeover. IMHO overhauling of >3players will upset the team and mutual understanding.

But also it is likely that we do not have the depth and mindset of (which I hate to admit) Devils, Gunners and Blues, where their players could come in almost anytime and play as a team like brothers and sisters  :P

YNWA  :D


Well hit on the nail. 2 thumbs up! Of course players need to rest and be rotated for certain games. No one is questioning / disagreeing with that. It is the massive  changes that he made game after game, week after week, in the past that we are referring to when we talk about "rotation". 
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on August 12, 2009, 11:48

Always useful to put things in perspective. We are after all armchair observers and critics who at times rely on the media or our eyes but do we really know why the teams need to be changed unless there is a reality tv program following Rafa around? For that matter even those are edited to suit the producer's vision.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Jacky on August 17, 2009, 13:22
Wow... way to go Liverpool....   
My observation: 
1) It is ridiculous that Carragher and Skrtel collided in such a comical fashion. There was no opposition going for the ball, both of them can see each other going for it... and yet such a heavy collision. Liverpool nvr really recover from their jitters from there onwards. Defence was in sixes and sevens from there till half time. Good thing Pepe was in form, else we would probably have lost the game by half time. Thanks to Robbie Keane for all the misses.
2) No control in midfield Our midfield is overrun. No holding midfield player... effects of the loss of Alonso i guess. Lack of possession and cutting edge passes. THink Gerard had to help out in mid towards the end. I did not even see any good passes between the two. Both of them seemed rusty especially Torres.
3) Only Glen and Benayoun were making positive contribution. The rest of the players seem to be passengers.
4) Insua, Lucas, Babbel - They cannot make it as 1st team players. If Liverpool wants the title, they need to field their best available 11 for every game. hmmm, if these 3 are the best we have in their positions, then we can kiss the season goodbye. They do not have the quality.
5) Voronin cannot make it in BPL. He is too slow really.

My thoughts hor. feel free to comment/ discuss but dun flame me.


Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on August 17, 2009, 14:16
Well written observations  ;)

(sigh....) somehow the outcome has been written on the wall.....

1) As I watched it real-time and thereafter replays, Jamie was obviously fully aware of Skrtel taking control of the dropping ball. I was stunned that he din back off.

2) Think around 57th minute, Stevie was frustrated and started showing 'hand signs and gestures' to his team players, esp. mid-field. It was till 67th min Yossi came on and there was a little flair in play by REDS, and midfield could push fwd a little. But somehow a little too late  :-[

3) Yes, I was impressed wif Glen.

4) Babel was completely out of sight, ineffective & inefficient. Lucas probably tried too hard to fill in the shoes of Alonso - no game focus, and lack of mutual understanding wif Stevie & Masch. Masch seemed a little overwhlemed by his hot-temper (again), thus not as effective in his holding mid-fieldier role.....(sigh). However, IMHO, Insua was quite OK, but he could have done more.

5) While Dirk was not at his best, subt him wif Voronin just made the fwd & flank options WORSE or WORST  ??? ::)

Hopefully tis Wed home match agst Stoke City could boast the morale. But at the moment it is a serious concern at the back - Jamie & Skrtel.
  :-[ :-X :'(
Title: REDS AGREE DEAL FOR KYRGIAKOS
Post by: cn9601 on August 20, 2009, 10:14
REDS AGREE DEAL FOR KYRGIAKOS
Liverpool today agreed a deal with AEK Athens for centre-back Sotirios Kyrgiakos, subject to a medical.

About tis morning game agst Stoke City:
I was impressed with Glen in the game agst Stoke City. Glen seems to have provided the 'missing' fluency on the right, and he is only a RIGHT BACK.
Lucas was more focused and he was linking well with Masch, thus allowing Stevie to dominate comfy & stringing nicey passes  :) Also Yossi's presence helped  ;)
But there were glimpses of 2 REDS going for the same ball, almost to repeat human accident...tsk....tsk.
Dirk appeared abit blur-blur, though his was one of the 4 goals  :D

Other than the 'disheartening' news of Spurs' overwhelming triumph over Hull, but wonderful news of ManU's defeat to new boy Burnley juz provide the right curry flavor for REDS' good game wif a clean sheet of 4 goals 8)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on August 21, 2009, 08:01
Liverpool v Stoke highlights

http://www.soccerclips.net/videos/liverpool-v-stoke-bbc-motd-highlights

Glen Johnson's bicycle kick was awesome
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Jacky on August 25, 2009, 04:08
another very bad display from Liverpool. Steven gerard and Dirk kuyt were anonynous. 2/10 really. No winger got to the byline mind u.There were so many stray passes. Cannot remember how many how passes were intercepted by the villians. Enough said about Lucas, I dun even want to talk about him anymore. Gave away a needless foul and headed that freekick into his own goal. But give credit to villa, they are very quick and disciplined. Do not think liverpool can overturn the deficit in 2nd half. Gonna be a bad bad season. 
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on August 25, 2009, 10:44
Correction: He created the set piece and then gifted the goal. I was oredi jumping ard as he was playing, and then threw my can of beer at the Panny Plasma when he created the free kick  >:( and dropped on the floor when he headed in the goal for them  ::) ???

I digged my heart out when even Stevie could give away an unncessary penalty when we were getting back  :-\ :'(  At that time, I knew THAT'S IT and I turned off the TV and lights........

Our Mid-Field cant be that crappy without Alonso right????! So far, all 3 matches are dictated by the performance of mid-field....tsk....tsk....tsk

(sigh....) it's the same old roller coaster start to EPL season, and then 爆头慌 to play well later in the season (sigh.....)


Gave away a needless foul and headed that freekick into his own goal.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on August 25, 2009, 10:50
My conclusion is that Asian tour provided great effect in lowering their standard.. ;)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Jacky on August 25, 2009, 13:46
Dirk Kuyt linked very well with Arbeola last season. They were tearing teams apart on the right side of the field. His departure affected as well. The bonding is not developed between Glen and Dirk. Thus Dirk is not as effective as he can be. Alonso used to know who is running towards where and sprayed passes to running man like Dirk, Steven, Torres, Riera (where is Riera? injured?). We really dun have that penetration now.  All the passes are going to the opponent legs and you will be amaze if you count the number of stray passes. I think there was about 20-30% stray passes this morning. Stevie G is out of sorts. The build up play is very difficult now relying only on short passes. The villians were also faster to the balls on so many occasions. true the Referee was slightly biased in the 1st half (ignoring several fouls) but we shld be able to do better than that as professionals.

We need someone to take command in central mid...t he question is who apart from Stevie G.
And stop relying on Lucas for goodness sake. Might as well let Jay spearing or the young striker Nemeth (with Stevie dropping back to mid) play. Better grooming them then let Lucas play. I was thinking who can come off the substitute bench to make a difference but sadly..... no one comes to my mind.

Chelsea/ Man U can have 5 internationals warming the bench waiting to get into the game. We have 5 bench warmers waiting for international call up. So sad....................


Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on August 25, 2009, 19:04
Good observation  8)

Am wondering wats wrong wif Dirk....since the 1st match, he has been playing out of norm  :-\ :'( >:(  True-True, Dirk lost his link. Tats y he is literally running evrywhere...ctr mid-field, right mid-field....sometimes even thread back to RIGH BACK.

And Stevie is lossing his calm and patience - evident of tat unnecessary penalty  :-\ When Stevie doesnt play well - all is hell: Torres no service support (gets impatient also), Yossi not sure when/where to penetrate, Dirk is running wild, Masch and Pepe throwing their temper on each corner of the pitch....tsk...tsk....forunately the new boy Glen at least try to create and commit the chance for himself.

I am putting up my LFC faith on sale at Ebay.com.sg  8)  as long as Rafa tries keeping his faith in Lucas (and Babel)


Dirk Kuyt linked very well with Arbeola last season.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Jacky on August 25, 2009, 22:11
k, let me ebay my faith too lol.   
Honestly, I cannot see how they can improve. I will be amaze if we can string a couple of straight wins to keep pace with the blues and the other red.
Even if Aqualiani (or whatever the name is) is fit.
Hope Benitez can make me eat my words.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads
Post by: Luv4nature on August 25, 2009, 22:34
They are due to benitez's failure, often fielding shuffled line-up versus weaker teams, not only ended up dropping points, it also constantly destabilizes the team chemistry and vastly affected consistency of the team.

Have to bring this up again. Benitez brings about his own instability, including some of the transfer decisions....
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Jacky on August 25, 2009, 23:26
My wife is correct in saying that he thinks he is overly smart..... to the point of being arrogant/ naive.
Always do the impossible to prove that he does miracle.
someone forgot to tell him that you don't get to score 3 goals against AC Milan within 6 mins everytime!

Well at least this time, he cannot blame it on Rick Parry :)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on August 26, 2009, 00:00
sorie, IMHO, I think Rafa does have a way with European clubs, esp in Championship league. But he continues to have tactical confusion with English clubs, evident esp. when playing against a fellow English club (eg. Blues) in Championship league.

The next worry soon to happen will be embarking on his infamous rotation system and signing more so-call promising internationally proven 病猫 players :-\

It's like putting Indian and Chinese and Muslim rojak together = Rafa's team formation in EPL  :o :( ::) ???  dun even try to suggest 红毛 salad.....tats disaster in the making  :o
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Spunky on August 26, 2009, 07:44

I am putting up my LFC faith on sale at Ebay.com.sg  8)  as long as Rafa tries keeping his faith in Lucas (and Babel)



unlikely to get any bids in the near future!! ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on August 26, 2009, 08:14
keep the faith leh lucas really cant help it that he's got a misshapened  head
Title: MiO TV Football Frenzy - Championship League
Post by: cn9601 on August 26, 2009, 09:48
Kinda OT.....but stll kinda related to this thread, coz involves watching REDS in Championship League  ;D

Well I got my MiO TV Football Frenzy package ystd - throw in FREE with the ADSL modem, HD STB and 2 x dun-know-wat-brand "ComTrend???" Ethernet Homeplugs. The Ethernet Homeplugs not in the 'standard, original plan' but I fight my way thru to get it FREE  8)

Anyway, no harm to try it for 2 mths free to watch Championship League. Well if REDS make it thru further (while I am die-hard REDS, I cant help it to doubt...sorie.....), then I can ON the package for 1-yr package.

So, juz grab yr SH bill and drop by SingTel to request for the trial  ;)

PS: Tis definite OT  8) HD5 on SH is better than MiO  ;)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Jacky on August 26, 2009, 09:55
how do i get HD5 on my TV? can advise?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on August 26, 2009, 10:05
goto channel 300 for HD
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Jacky on August 26, 2009, 10:09
Issit free? wonder why I cannot see it on my TV. Were there and just a blank screen. I do have a Full HD TV.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on August 26, 2009, 10:09
sorie....kinda definite OT - I PMed you liao  ;)

how do i get HD5 on my TV? can advise?

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: silencer13 on August 26, 2009, 12:10
Issit free? wonder why I cannot see it on my TV. Were there and just a blank screen. I do have a Full HD TV.


Is yours a HD STB?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on August 26, 2009, 14:35
I am putting up my LFC faith on sale at Ebay.com.sg  8)  as long as Rafa tries keeping his faith in Lucas (and Babel)

Which brings to mind:-
"That's me in the corner, that's me in the spot-light
I'm losing my religion..."

Kinda OT.....but stll kinda related to this thread, coz involves watching REDS in Championship League  ;D

Errrr, that would mean Pool were playing in 'division two'... I'm sure you mean Champions League?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: jonlee on August 26, 2009, 15:23
Is yours a HD STB?

same question I was going to ask...
Title: Re: MiO TV Football Frenzy - Championship League
Post by: cn9601 on August 26, 2009, 15:25
ai-yo......OK-lah. To rest all minds and to ensure that I will be politically football-sense correct.

EDIT:
......coz involves watching REDS in UEFA Champions League ;D
(http://www.uefa.com/Competitions/UCL/FixturesResults/index.html)

And the REDS will start their legitimate UEFA Champions League match in:
Group stage
15 Sep - 09 Dec 2009


Kinda OT.....but stll kinda related to this thread, coz involves watching REDS in Championship League  ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on August 26, 2009, 16:27
Errrr, that would mean Pool were playing in 'division two'... I'm sure you mean Champions League?

I was just going to say when I saw his edited version. It is a world of difference!  ;D.

Anyway still early days in the season and I would not want to get caught up in the prophecies. Let's see how things pan out.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Jacky on August 26, 2009, 16:56
same question I was going to ask...

The normal digital box. understand from Cn9601 that i would need other type of boxes to view. Ty all for your response.  Will consider getting one now :P
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: silencer13 on August 27, 2009, 00:30
yup, u'd need a HD box to view the HD channels.

But I just noticed that Starhub website does not have the normal HD box anymore, they only have the Hubstation HD, which is a whopping $14.95!!!!!  (normal HD box is only around $6.xx)

You might wanna look out for people who are selling away HD boxes for a better deal, unless you find that you do need the Hubstation features.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on August 27, 2009, 02:18
Hubstation features are addictive. pause / rewind... *sigh*
Title: Finally my most expensive LFC Anifield Home Jersey
Post by: cn9601 on September 11, 2009, 16:00
finally got my 'cheap-scap' LFC home Anfield jersey usu. retails @ S$99 at Weston@Penisula, courtesy of SH Sports Group add-on offer with 1-year contract of SH TV.

How it works? Kinda stupid as much as I am concerned.

Ystd @ Comex, I Q for almost 1.5hrs, den the counter girl tipped me to call 1633 to terminate my Sports Group, and she would process it as a new add-on. I looked at her and exclaimed 'Like Tat Also Can'. 'No choice, company's policy," said her. But it was at abt 715pm (from ard 4pm) that I could receive the redemption letter. I double stepped to Penisula, thanks goodness the shop still opened at 740pm and I managed to get 'L' size that I wanted  8)  ;D  :D  I almost bought it @ Sportslink @ $74.25 (but no size then).
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on September 14, 2009, 02:46
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/liverpool/article6831489.ece

Liverpool’s £80m shirt deal equals biggest ever

Liverpool have secured a new shirt sponsorship deal that equals the most lucrative in football history after signing a four-year agreement with Standard Chartered, the London-based international bank, worth £80 million over four years.

With their present deal with Carlsberg due to expire in mid-2010, Liverpool’s commercial department, headed by Ian Ayre, has been looking for a money-spinning agreement in keeping with the club’s status as one of the most recognisable brands in world sport. Until July, an exclusivity accord with Carlsberg prevented them from entering into talks with any other interested parties but once that had expired, Liverpool moved swiftly to tie up a new deal. (more (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/liverpool/article6831489.ece))
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on September 14, 2009, 02:55
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b272/kensolee/newsponsorLFC.png)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Spunky on September 14, 2009, 09:45
sadly, I believe much of the $$$ will end up with the 2 americans! >:(
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on September 14, 2009, 09:56
i believe it will go back to the banks...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on September 14, 2009, 12:22

Looking on the bright side...well done Ian! It would have been a $8mio deal with a Timbuktoon bank if Rick was around.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: jonlee on September 14, 2009, 15:04
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b272/kensolee/newsponsorLFC.png)

I have to admit...even though I'm a Spurs fan...this jersey swee!
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on September 14, 2009, 17:12
aiyo spurs so sayang, Defoe's 58sec overhead kick goal lagi swee but at half time can't bear to watch...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on September 14, 2009, 18:00
Spurs KELONG!

But after half time.....somehow things are not tweaking right within Spurs, even with Scholes being sent off..... ::) ???

aiyo spurs so sayang, Defoe's 58sec overhead kick goal lagi swee but at half time can't bear to watch...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on September 16, 2009, 21:00
Extract from El Nino : My Story

Penny Lane must have seemed a million miles away from Madrid to the young Spanish schoolboy.

So too, the Yellow Submarine that Fernando Torres once sang about with his brother as they recited Beatles hits passed down from their father Jose.

Liverpool? He'd never even heard of it. Yet the city was to become his second home. His future. The platform for El Nino's footballing dreams.

And the Beatles back catalogue would help him settle happily on Merseyside.

Fernando recalled: "One of the biggest problems I faced when I first moved to Liverpool was the language barrier. My English was limited to the classes I had taken at school in Fuenlabrada. You think you know a bit of English and you can get by but when you arrive in England you soon realise you haven't got a clue.

"I was told to be honest and say, 'I didn't catch that, could you say it again?' but the truth is I didn't always take that advice. I nearly always just mumbled a 'no'. That's what I did whenever I was in the supermarket and was asked if I wanted 'cash back'. It's not something we have in Spain and I had no idea what it was. It was three months before I knew what they were talking about.

ADVERTISED

"One afternoon, the way back from having lunch we decided to go shopping. I'd been told about Costco and so we decided to go in and have a look. As we were going through the door, the security guard stopped us. We assumed he was asking for a member's card that we didn't have and so, not being able to explain in English, we just turned and left without a word. The next day I was told if you're not a member you can't shop there.

"Two people were vital during my first few days in the city: Rob and Alan, the English teachers Liverpool laid on for me.

"One of the things they used to make me do was ring people in response to adverts in the paper. You'd get on the phone and ask about a puppy for sale, or that kitten being advertised, or the price of a second hand car. "The idea was to get me used to speaking in English on the phone but at first the idea terrified me so much I would panic when I didn't understand something and find myself having to ring Pepe Reina.

"The car radio became my constant travelling companion. Every morning on my way to training at Melwood, I would listen and try to concentrate on what was being said. At first I only understood a few words but bit by bit I could feel myself improving. As I went past billboards I'd try to translate them and with every passing day I was getting better.

"Some nights, I even dared to pick up the phone and order food. When it turned up, it was nearly always what I wanted.

"In hotels preparing for games I watched films in English with the subtitles on. I carried English Training on my Nintendo DS - language games and exercises.

"I was terrified at the prospect of a phone conversation.

Imagine how much worse it is when that conversation is with the fire service! My smoke alarm kept going off in the house I was renting and one afternoon a call. I just about worked out I got a call. I just about worked out the man on the other end was from the fire station but didn't understand anything else.

"A few minutes later a fire engine turned up at the house, packed with fireman thinking they were being called into action. They came three times in three days before they worked out that the smoke from cooking was causing the alarm to go off. The next time, they called me first to check whether they really did have to set off again."

Of the Beatles, he said: "I like the Beatles a lot. Before I never imagined that I would end up in Liverpool, I listened to their songs. Now I've rediscovered them because listening to them has helped me to pick up the language more quickly. My favourite songs are Penny Lane and Yellow Submarine."

Torres found himself immersed in Liverpool's history, its culture, walking the famous streets, from Princess Dock to Victoria Street, taking time to enjoy Mathew Street and the Beatles tour, though he is still to visit the Cavern Club.

"What can I say about the legendary band, a symbol of the city? There's not much I can add, although it did strike me that - despite what you might imagine - people in Liverpool aren't constantly talking about the Beatles.

"People have enormous respect and admiration for them, because everyone in London is conscious the Beatles and Liverpool FC have taken the name of the city round the world."

Torres, 25, is not your average footballer. There will be no tabloid tales of bad boy behaviour, no sordid nightclub tales or weekly pictures of his latest supercar.

He explained: "I am very much a homely person. I am at my most comfortable and relaxed there. One of my favourite moments each day, matches permitting, is the evening stroll with my wife Olalla and two dogs. They're English bulldogs, a male called Pomo and a female called Llanta. We have found a couple of parks near where we live that are relaxed and peaceful, offering a real escape.

"At home, we spend time playing board games with friends and family. When it comes to Monopoly, Scatergory, or Hotel, there are real battles.

"Sometimes play cards, even though I'm not one for the typical footballer's game like poker or the games played with a 40-card Spanish deck, like mus or pocha. But I do enjoy playing brisca and tute, Spanish games similar to trumps.

"Television is an alternative and I like to be up to date with what's going on in the world, and not just the sports news. My favourite programmes are The Dog Whisperer and Super Nanny.

"I love Stanley Park, the one that divides Anfield and Goodison and which I got to know when I went to film the Spanish No 9 advert for Nike there. I've also been to Chester, and to Formby on the coast where I like to devour a Flake 99, with raspberry sauce.

"We have adapted perfectly to Liverpool but when it comes to eating we still follow a Spanish timetable.

"Eating at English times still feels too early so we started arranging barbecues.

FRUSTRATION

"A few of us got together along with Mikel Arteta from Everton. One Sunday we started eating in the garden, it was a sunny day with the odd cloud and we didn't think anything of it until the heavens opened and it started snowing.

"Yes, snowing! Since then, the slightest sign of bad weather and we set up in the garage instead.

"During my first few months I seemed to be permanently surrounded by hammers, screwdrivers, pliers and spanners as I discovered a new hobby: putting together furniture. In Spain I hadn't put together a single wardrobe but here I had to get on and do it or the box would gather dust. Sometimes, I'd end up getting so irritated I'd crawl to bed shattered but with the work done.

"My determination to finish the job off meant that one night in 2007 I didn't finish until the small hours. I had come home in a bad mood after we had lost 1-0 at home to Olympic Marseilles in the Champions League. I decided the best way to work the frustration out of my system was to put together two pieces of furniture for the living room. By the time I had finished it was 4am.

"I haven't experienced Liverpool's nightlife. I have been out a couple of times to eat after Champions League matches and you can see there's a lot going on. No one seems to wear a coat. Everyone is done up and dressed to impress but few wrap up warm, even though the temperature can't be much above freezing.

" I would like to watch a game in the pub.

"Everyone tells me about the passion with which fans follow matches between pints."
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on September 24, 2009, 03:44
This made me lol  ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yMirJPi_mI&feature=player_embedded#t=83
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on September 28, 2009, 17:26
This is cool - Babel's twitter

http://twitter.com/RyanBabel19

...and they just boarded the plane for Italy an hour ago :)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Spunky on September 28, 2009, 17:44
anyone hopeful about the saudi prince 50% deal? ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on September 28, 2009, 20:54
too much drama between Gillicks will scupper any deal, unless both of them sell together
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kmolth on September 28, 2009, 22:22
Looking on the bright side...well done Ian! It would have been a $8mio deal with a Timbuktoon bank if Rick was around.
Yes, I agreed. At least they got rid of Rick Parry which imo did not do LFC justice.....
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on September 29, 2009, 00:10
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b272/kensolee/app1293191254125338.jpg)
picture taken by Babel probably at an airport in Florence probably John Lennon
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on September 29, 2009, 10:24
I didn't realize it was Prince Faisal... in that case I'm all for it, even buy the 'mercans out altogether
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on September 30, 2009, 09:23
...and they just boarded the plane for Italy an hour ago :)

And are by now slinking home.

Hmmmm... makes the 1-1 I watched in Florence between Fiorentina and Arsenal 10 yrs ago seem a reasonably good outcome, considering I schlepped all the way there.  And this was a Fiorentina that still featured the great "Batigol", who inevitably got Fiorentina's goal (IIRC).
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on September 30, 2009, 10:49
an away loss in the CL isn't the end of the campaign

hopefully this is a timely kick up the arse for this weekend.

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: yellowhandman on September 30, 2009, 10:53
an away loss in the CL isn't the end of the campaign

hopefully this is a timely kick up the arse for this weekend.



Arsene Wenger: "Kick up the arse?! Liverpool are anti-football!"

But seriously...I think this shows there's a big difference between playing Hull and playing Fiorentina.

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on September 30, 2009, 11:51
Most of the time, I was switching to watch Barca vs Kiev. Wat a world apart! REDS were like boys kicking around aimlessly esp. during 1st half. By 75th min, I went to bed.

Well, some might argue tat such performance shldnt compare in EPL. But IMHO, it proves that there will be glimpses of such under-par performance in EPL - REDS were total lost souls in 1st half. how to challenge for league title....tsk...tsk....tsk....sigh

it's not abt the loss. but whether we lost it gracefully. they will brounce back, of coz, but the big picture of league title or even CL title  ::) :-\ :'(
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on September 30, 2009, 13:44
an away loss in the CL isn't the end of the campaign

hopefully this is a timely kick up the arse for this weekend.



Am with you here on the CL match although it is going to be between Fiorentia, Lyon and us for the 2 places.

5 CL cups in the bag but with missing PL title for so long, no brainer what I prefer first.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: yellowhandman on October 06, 2009, 17:18
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/oct/06/rafael-benitez-liverpool-george-gillett

Hmm...the time might be coming when Rafa pays for constantly blaming the owners for Liverpool's underachievements. There's only so much moaning that Hicks and Gillette can tolerate, I think.



Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on October 19, 2009, 15:47

Did not watch the match over the weekend but beach ball or not, this season is fast spiralling out of control in the league. I wish the players would shut up mouthing off to the press about turning corners (read - Carra) and just pull their socks up and do something on the field.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dsj88 on October 19, 2009, 16:28
They should sack Benitez. He is too rigid and does not have  the creativity for the EPL. Too meticulous. Dare not take risk
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on October 19, 2009, 23:42
Biggest problem with Rafa is that he does not know how to build a cohesive team with whatever player option he has. Never felt the team has gel all these time under his care, SAF & Jose are both much much better in this aspect. In fact, when I watched the Wigan vs Man City game, I felt even an average taem like Wigan, their overall team chemistry is already better than that of Liverpool's current teamwork.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on October 20, 2009, 20:51
when the team sheet was out last Saturday aginst Sunderland, I fell off the chair, spilled 2 cans of Tiger beer and sobbed all the way till the whistle blew - which then I could start breathing normally  :-[

The gaffer obviously had no idea how to deal with the loss of Stevie & Torres. The mid-field and front were craps; and what the hell happened to Carra this season, esp. after the knock with Skrtel on that dreadful, fated match against Spurs  :-\

Later home match aginst Lyon - all bets are on the table  8)

I am preparing to watch 变节 Laughing Gor - Turning Point via PCH, just in case!

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: yellowhandman on October 21, 2009, 10:17
As a United fan, Liverpool's loss to Lyon last night actually makes me more worried about Sunday's game. Liverpool will be fired up, and besides that, it's just hard to imagine any Liverpool team - even one apparently in shambles - will lose five straight games.

But I'm just wondering what all you Liverpool fans think - if Liverpool do lose to United this Sunday, should Rafa be sacked? Or should that wait until (or if) Liverpool are knocked out in the Champions League qualifying stages?

IMHO if Liverpool were to be knocked out of the ECL, and given their position in the EPL, there would be nothing significant left to play for this season, and you might as well get a new manager in to start rebuilding.

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on October 21, 2009, 10:32
Get Jose to run Liverpool man !
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on October 21, 2009, 10:50
.......I gave up watching on 85th minute, thinking 1-1 was already an insult. This morning while driving, when FD on Class95 started ranting abt Rafa sack, OMG, within the last few mins they could concede another goal !!! Watsup man!

I just dun understand: without Stevie & Torres, the mid-field and front could b so disaster! .....mayb previously without Stevie, we had at least Alonso to string the long pass forward.....?!

Who's Kelly ?! But compared to Spearing, at least he impresses me a little, esp. for his age at 19y. Strange again with the team sheet....at the back - Kelly, Agger, Carra. Skrtel only came on after Kelly's injury....

This is just not REDS.....this is just NOT. 4 straight defeats! It's just the defeats, but look at the team performance, and recent team sheet.....blah-blah abt injury.....BUT THIS IS STILL NOT RIGHT  :-[ :-X :-\ :'(

Guess....this is time to We'll Never Walk Alone, for how long.....
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: zenit on October 21, 2009, 11:07
after all this years, it's more like hoping for mu not to win anything rather then reds winning something.
very very sad  :'(
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: yellowhandman on October 21, 2009, 11:29
after all this years, it's more like hoping for mu not to win anything rather then reds winning something.
very very sad  :'(

Now you know how it felt to be a United fan in the 1980s  8)

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: vieri on October 21, 2009, 11:33
Me thinks Carragher is not as solid & commanding as the previous season. Liverpool's downslide is due to the silly goals conceded at set pieces.
Secondly, Im wondering how will Aquilani match up to the hype (and void) left by Alonso. let's hope he's not another El hadji Diuof or Djibril Cisse or Kromkamp.

Vieri
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dude on October 21, 2009, 13:36
There is no fire in the team currently. Because they know that they are replying on Torres and Gerrard as well, so when these 2 are not playing together, they seem to be playing to avoid defeat, not to win.

I did not watch the Lyon game, but with Sunderland, I found it weird.

Kuyt played striker in Holland and for Holland. For Liverpool, he has been playing right wing.

When Torres is out, isn't it a given that Kuyt should lead from the front? And shouldn't Benayoun continue to support the lone striker? It's pretty obvious that Gerrard has to fill the defensive duties left by Alonso. Continuing with the Lucas/Mascherano combination will not work.

Depending on the type of player Aquilani is, Rafa may need to permanently change the position of Gerrard to a defensive midfielder.

And the strategy change should be a 442, with Benayoun supporting 2 strikers upfront - Kuyt and Torres. With only I striker, it is very easy for defenders, and hard for the lone striker. See Torres' performance and frustration against Chelski.

There must be stability in the team, and generally there is, but once either Gerrard or Torres are not playing, the team do not seem able to step up.

As for Rafa, it should be very obvious by now that he should be going for quality, not quantity. No point spending $8m on 3 players, instead of getting one very good one for $24m. The last player to cost that amount has turned out to be truly worth it.

His name?

Fernando Torres
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Pingu on October 21, 2009, 14:23
Now you know how it felt to be a United fan in the 1980s  8)




LOL! And how I wish for the return of the good times... ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on October 21, 2009, 14:28
As a United fan, Liverpool's loss to Lyon last night actually makes me more worried about Sunday's game. Liverpool will be fired up, and besides that, it's just hard to imagine any Liverpool team - even one apparently in shambles - will lose five straight games.

But I'm just wondering what all you Liverpool fans think - if Liverpool do lose to United this Sunday, should Rafa be sacked? Or should that wait until (or if) Liverpool are knocked out in the Champions League qualifying stages?

IMHO if Liverpool were to be knocked out of the ECL, and given their position in the EPL, there would be nothing significant left to play for this season, and you might as well get a new manager in to start rebuilding.



Well I hope you are right for this w/end's match.  :)

Part of the reason is the lack of bench strength which is from lack of funds compared to the top teams. Rafa has to balance the books and with the owners saddling the club with debt, it is always going to be a challenge against the other top 3...and now with Man City in the fray as well.

I wouldn't change the manager...remember it took SAF how long before he actually started winning? In fact credit goes to Rafa for managing to put the club where it is for the past couple of years and in fact over-achieving last yr in finishing second. Unfortunately expectations were raised and the media does not help when they have headlines to grab.

Like all things...a bounce is needed and what better way than this w/end?  ;D

YNWA.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: yellowhandman on October 21, 2009, 14:43
Part of the reason is the lack of bench strength which is from lack of funds compared to the top teams. Rafa has to balance the books and with the owners saddling the club with debt, it is always going to be a challenge against the other top 3...and now with Man City in the fray as well.

How much has Rafa actually spent since taking over? If you total it up, it's actually quite a lot. And Liverpool have the largest first team squad registered in the Premiership. From the outside looking in, it seems as if Rafa keeps buying players, then playing them out of position - as if he's trying to prove how clever he is at spotting undiscovered potential.

And 18 million pounds on Glen Johnson? That's not a case of having no money - that's having bad judgment.

Quote
Like all things...a bounce is needed and what better way than this w/end?  ;D

I would have thought Liverpool fans would have had enough of bouncing after the Sunderland game...

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on October 21, 2009, 18:55
Early into the season with only 9 games played and already written off for tiltle contention.. haha Rafa must be a very poor soul now. But he blames it all on the injury leh ...
http://www.premierleague.com/page/Headlines/0,,12306~1832480,00.html
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dude on October 21, 2009, 19:25
More than being written off is the level of performance in the recent matches. There really is no imagination in the play to breakdown defences that are packed.

And even if the defences are not packed, the play has become too one-tracked for other teams to worry about multiple threats..just stop 2 players, and then you only need to concentrate on your own scoring efforts...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Pingu on October 21, 2009, 19:37
Only 7 points separate Liverpool and ManU after 9 games. It may well be 4 after 10.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: yellowhandman on October 21, 2009, 19:57
Or it could be 10 after 10. But in the end, it's not just about catching United. There are seven teams above Liverpool right now. Sure, teams like Sunderland and Spurs will eventually drop points...but Arsenal, Chelski and City?

Anyway, if Liverpool and United carry on with their present form, 4 after 10 is more likely to become 12 after 30...we will see...

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: zenit on October 21, 2009, 20:00
I would have thought Liverpool fans would have had enough of bouncing after the Sunderland game.

Or it could be 10 after 10. But in the end, it's not just about catching United. There are seven teams above Liverpool right now. Sure, teams like Sunderland and Spurs will eventually drop points...but Arsenal, Chelski and City?

Anyway, if Liverpool and United carry on with their present form, 4 after 10 is more likely to become 12 after 30...we will see...

If we can beat mu home and away, doesn't matters if mu finish 2nd and we finish 17th... ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on October 21, 2009, 20:01
how should I put it? mayb there's still the concern tat REDS din spend enuiff on good players. mayb there's still the residual hard-feeling tat Alonso has left. mayb Rafa has yet to find his formula in EPL. mayb some players are not too happy (eg. Mach...)....mayb, mayb

of coz, everybody was expecting more given last season performance. and then the 1st game defeat, and then the 2nd, 3rd.....and prior to Sunderland defeat, somehow there's some tell-tale sign REDS arent going the way we expect to achieve - mid-field is out-of-norm (March & Lucas), Stevie under-stress in mid-field (mayb missing Alonso), Torres while scoring high, Dirk appears out-of-way & out-of-sight, Carra out-of-gas.....(sigh.....)

And yes it's oni 9++ games, but REDS is so predictable. I really miss Alonso far-sighted, long pass, out-of-the-blue that quite often caught the other team off guard - tat's unpredictable, creative play so often displayed last season.

As oways, I like Benayoun, but how much he can string ard up front alone, and Rafa doesnt seem to give him more 'recognition' and faith.

Rafa...rafa....I try to YNWA wif him, but other than tat Istanbul legacy, wat else...faith in Lucas, disrupting team sheet - look at the team for Sunderland, Lyon ---> OMG! Many times, the way he orchestrates the team play - OMG! only his worm knows wats is he thinking! ya,ya,ya...some or many will argue tat I am not Rafa, and I am no position to question his team selection - WHATEVER.

This season when we loss Stevie & Torres - every quarter of the team is being slaughtered on pitch - literally being stomped over.......it's heartache when ure watching the game. Players shld be fried for their performance, but the gaffer ought to be the 1st to be on the chopping board!

NO worries. I will don my home red jersey wif half-dozen beer cans in front of TV for tis Sunday match. YNWA  8)

 
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: asianboy on October 21, 2009, 20:05
If we can beat mu home and away, doesn't matters if mu finish 2nd and we finish 17th... ;D

 ;D no wonder Liverpool haven't win EPL for long! Never look at big picture.  :P
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: zenit on October 21, 2009, 20:17
;D no wonder Liverpool haven't win EPL for long! Never look at big picture.  :P

yap! so did the other teams, just need to $queeze in the top 4 for UCL, things made easy for SAF.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: asianboy on October 21, 2009, 20:25
yap! so did the other teams, just need to $queeze in the top 4 for UCL, things made easy for SAF.


i guess everyone is waiting for him to retire.  :P
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on October 21, 2009, 20:45
anyone think if there's a chance kenny dalglish will ever lead L'pool again? Haha present and future don't look good, so can only mesmorize the past :)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: scoobydoo on October 21, 2009, 21:53
I am not bashing Rafa in any way. Personally I think he has done well in his time in Liverpool. However, I feel that he has taken Liverpool as far as he could. We should thank him for his services now and move on, regardless of the results against ManU this weekend.

Jose! Jose! Jose!

or

Kenny! Kenny! Kenny!

Though i would prefer the former.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on October 22, 2009, 01:23
And 18 million pounds on Glen Johnson? That's not a case of having no money - that's having bad judgment.

I would have thought Liverpool fans would have had enough of bouncing after the Sunderland game...

Far from pot calling the kettle black..am not even going to dredge up the expensive duds signed during SAF's reign re price paid in THOSE days  ;)...there is the mark up for English players vs continental ones and I suspect Rafa had an eye on the new ruling for number of English/home-grown players. Besides Johnson has already brought a different style with results so far this season. Rafa also funded this purchase together with Aquilani from sales of players hence my point about doing it with limited resources.

Well at least he was decent enough to accept a bad day at the office instead of blaming an inanimate object rather than some Sir blaming the fitness of a referee and then side/back-tracking...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: alcapone on October 23, 2009, 09:07

Well at least he was decent enough to accept a bad day at the office instead of blaming an inanimate object rather than some Sir blaming the fitness of a referee and then side/back-tracking...

Bully is the right word. If he doesn't gets the result he wanted, he'll blame either the referee or the opponents....
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on October 23, 2009, 09:21
uh, oh... the dreaded "vote of confidence"
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on October 23, 2009, 09:32
uh, oh... the dreaded "vote of confidence"

Well both owners have to agree on the "vote" and who to get in as a replacement. Not sure if they can even agree one item.  ::)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on October 23, 2009, 10:39
If we can beat mu home and away, doesn't matters if mu finish 2nd and we finish 17th... ;D

Which is exactly what Arsenal did in 2007/08, but ask any Arsenal fan and I'm sure he'd agree with me we'd rather lose to them twice and finish champs.  And I'm sure the Moaners don't care they lost to us twice since they ended up on top.

I know, Arsenal v. ManYoo is not Pool v. ManYoo.  But sub in Spertz and my sentiment is the same: I'd rather be champions rather than just win our local derbies.

And yes, I note you said 2nd, and not 1st.  But as others have already pointed out, that's not looking at the big picture.  Why care if your deadly rivals don't win the title, if you don't either? After all, there has been no real risk of Spertz winning the title in over 40 years anyway, and us Gooners still keep an eye on the ultimate prize for ourselves.

uh, oh... the dreaded "vote of confidence"

Rafa's "saving grace" is that Pool are in no position to fire him anyway, financially.  They can't pay him off, nor can they attract a suitable replacement.  And in any case, the two Yanks can't agree on anything, nor can they afford to rock the boat right now whilst trying to sell the club.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: zenit on October 23, 2009, 11:06
Which is exactly what Arsenal did in 2007/08, but ask any Arsenal fan and I'm sure he'd agree with me we'd rather lose to them twice and finish champs.  And I'm sure the Moaners don't care they lost to us twice since they ended up on top.

I know, Arsenal v. ManYoo is not Pool v. ManYoo.  But sub in Spertz and my sentiment is the same: I'd rather be champions rather than just win our local derbies.

And yes, I note you said 2nd, and not 1st.  But as others have already pointed out, that's not looking at the big picture.  Why care if your deadly rivals don't win the title, if you don't either? After all, there has been no real risk of Spertz winning the title in over 40 years anyway, and us Gooners still keep an eye on the ultimate prize for ourselves.

Yes, Spurs didn't win in 40 years, but I'm sure they"ll like to beat Arsenal more than they wanted against Chelsea.
and for years Reds vs Devils are even bigger than Reds vs Everton, or United vs City.
and yes, we'll not mind to lose to Arsenal twice and win the Championship.
And of course IMO smaller teams always never give their all against MU,
they'll save the best for the next opponent, and do you think MU is good this season ?
I'm a Reds fan for years, I don't see us winning the league,
there's only 2 players in the current squad that i consider championship material.

Reds and Gunners will be very lucky to be in the Big 4 after this season,
coz Spurs, Villa and City are all catching up.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: yellowhandman on October 23, 2009, 12:33
For a top team, winning the Premiership or the Champions League should really be the only thing that matters, because how many trophies you win ultimately determines the greatness of your club. If at the end of the day neither you nor your rival wins the title/cup, then doing the home-away double over your rivals is ultimately meaningless - the following season will bring another pair of home-away matchups, and then the past is just nothing but good memories.



Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on October 23, 2009, 19:38
although winning stuff alone does not make a club great...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: zenit on October 24, 2009, 05:05
For a top team, winning the Premiership or the Champions League should really be the only thing that matters, because how many trophies you win ultimately determines the greatness of your club. If at the end of the day neither you nor your rival wins the title/cup, then doing the home-away double over your rivals is ultimately meaningless - the following season will bring another pair of home-away matchups, and then the past is just nothing but good memories.

Expected comments from a MU fan, typical doesn't it ?
Finishing in the top 4 = competing in europe = $$$
:D Do you mean, the rest of the teams are just there to make up the numbers? for MU? :P
Let's see how meaningful life is after SAF :P
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: yellowhandman on October 24, 2009, 08:41
Expected comments from a MU fan, typical doesn't it ?
Finishing in the top 4 = competing in europe = $$$
:D Do you mean, the rest of the teams are just there to make up the numbers? for MU? :P
Let's see how meaningful life is after SAF :P


Where in my post did I say or imply anything about the rest of the teams just being there to make up the numbers?  ::)

Of course getting into Europe is important - United would be in deep doo-doo if we didn't make it. But ultimately, for big clubs like United, Chelsea, Arsenal and, yes, Liverpool - the goal must be to win one of the big trophies.

Trophies are ultimately what determine a club's historical greatness - don't tell me Liverpool fans don't (justifiably) bank on your 18 league titles and 5 European cups as a measure of your team's superiority? There are banners on the Kop proclaiming that!

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: zenit on October 24, 2009, 09:56
Where in my post did I say or imply anything about the rest of the teams just being there to make up the numbers?  ::)

Of course getting into Europe is important - United would be in deep doo-doo if we didn't make it. But ultimately, for big clubs like United, Chelsea, Arsenal and, yes, Liverpool - the goal must be to win one of the big trophies.

Trophies are ultimately what determine a club's historical greatness - don't tell me Liverpool fans don't (justifiably) bank on your 18 league titles and 5 European cups as a measure of your team's superiority? There are banners on the Kop proclaiming that!

You didn't imply, it's just year in year out the rest just can't seem to win the premiership ;D

Judging by trophies, there's one great Liverpool and one great Ferguson United ;D ;D ;D
Title: Jose - The Impossible One for Liverpool ? Wenger - with a Shoulder to Cry On ?
Post by: cn9601 on October 24, 2009, 10:09
Guess he's no longer calling himself the Special One, but the Mission Impossible Man  ;D

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=688525&sec=england&cc=4716

"Benitez's future at Anfield has been the subject of much debate and on Friday Inter Milan manager Jose Mourinho told a news conference in Italy the chances of him leaving to join Liverpool were "impossible" following speculation that he was set to return to the Premier League."

And seeing wat Rafa is going thru, it must have rubbed deep for Wenger. I understand that Wenger has called Rafa to offer his shoulder to cry on.
"Wenger sorry for "excessively criticised" Benitez"

Damn it, just deliver the result at home tis Sunday agst Devils! It's not that difficult task to accomplish  ;)
I better top up my bet @ Singapore Pools  ;D  And top another dozen Tiger beers  :)




Title: Re: Jose - The Impossible One for Liverpool ? Wenger - with a Shoulder to Cry On ?
Post by: zenit on October 24, 2009, 12:32
Damn it, just deliver the result at home tis Sunday agst Devils! It's not that difficult task to accomplish  ;)
I better top up my bet @ Singapore Pools  ;D  And top another dozen Tiger beers  :)

Pools lost 4 straight games,
Riera, Gerrard and Torres still being potential absentees,
MU top, Pools 8th,
and still it's on level handicap,
Bro, mentally support you all the way ;)

Sure Win !! Huat ahh !! YNWA !!
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Pingu on October 24, 2009, 16:23
well, if  ever there is/was a manager for a one-off match winning performance it's Rafa...
Title: Re: Jose - The Impossible One for Liverpool ? Wenger - with a Shoulder to Cry On ?
Post by: cn9601 on October 24, 2009, 21:50
Stop reminding evrybody abt d 4 straight defeats. I happen to loss $100 on one of them  :-X :-\ :'(

BUT deep down my heart, I will report u to the moderator if u happen to count again after Sunday match  :P

Pools lost 4 straight games,

And I just rush to top up another $100 and 6 more Carlsberg  ;)

"Fernando Torres trained with the Liverpool squad on Friday morning ahead of Sunday's clash with Manchester United" http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N166187091023-1717.htm

Riera, Gerrard and Torres still being potential absentees,
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: zenit on October 24, 2009, 22:40
BUT deep down my heart, I will report u to the moderator if u happen to count again after Sunday match  :P

counting win le? can or not? :P
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on October 26, 2009, 00:06
Glad L'pool beats MU, they played well and deserve the win. However, also need to keep this kind of form through the season not just in one game.
Title: Re: Jose - The Impossible One for Liverpool ? Wenger - with a Shoulder to Cry On ?
Post by: freddyhappy on October 26, 2009, 00:12
Stop reminding evrybody abt d 4 straight defeats. I happen to loss $100 on one of them  :-X :-\ :'(

BUT deep down my heart, I will report u to the moderator if u happen to count again after Sunday match  :P

And I just rush to top up another $100 and 6 more Carlsberg  ;)

"Fernando Torres trained with the Liverpool squad on Friday morning ahead of Sunday's clash with Manchester United" http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N166187091023-1717.htm


Congrats! 200 * 2.70 = 540, you get back 340 for this match alone ;)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on October 26, 2009, 00:14

Hope this can be the start of a good "bounce"!
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: redders on October 26, 2009, 11:26
Woohoo...chants "Fernando Torres....Liverpool's No 9....."

Last season's 1-4 was unforgettable. This was as good too:)

While before the match, no one expects Liverpool to get anything out of the game but its proven wrongly, once again we beaten Man Utd ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on October 26, 2009, 11:41

The pleasure of beating Manu was temporary, at least for me. I am only interested in having the highest points total at the end of the season irrespective of how we got there.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: redders on October 26, 2009, 11:54
The season is still a long way. But to get a morale boost after 4 consecutive lost and denied Man Utd 3 pts is enough to make me happy for the week:)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on October 26, 2009, 12:20
or at least a much better Monday than expected ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on October 26, 2009, 13:30

Undoubtedly.  ;D
Title: Re: Jose - The Impossible One for Liverpool ? Wenger - with a Shoulder to Cry On ?
Post by: cn9601 on October 26, 2009, 14:06
(ahem) knowing REDS would be underdog for d match....I waited till the match day and the odds was 3.10  ;D ;) :D  but d win went to a good lunch wif friends - gunners, Devils, Blues. Last night, I slept thru by humming YNWA  :) And was still humming while driving  ;)  And even smiled at another car driver that had Devil decal  8)

Congrats! 200 * 2.70 = 540, you get back 340 for this match alone ;)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on October 26, 2009, 21:41
Somebody said they were chanting "Can we play you every week?" in the stands no wonder slur alex said in the post-match interview that the fans were "fanatical" & influencing the ref. Well he should know that  "This is Sparta Anfield!!!"  ;D suhweet
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: zenit on October 26, 2009, 22:14
Quotes from SAF,

Sat 13 Sep 2008, Anfield, Liverpool 2, Manchester United 1,
"You don't expect that from Manchester United.
When we have a bad day we usually still get something from the game.
Overall, they were the better team today."


Sat 14 Mar 2009, Old Trafford, Manchester United 1, Liverpool 4,
"There is no complacency on our part. We have lost a game.
We need to respond and that is what we will do.
It is a hard one to take because I felt we were the better team.
That is not reflected in the scoreline and quite rightly,
when you win 4-1 you get all the plaudits. I can't deny that."

Sun 25 Oct 2009, Anfield, Liverpool 2, Manchester United 0,
"Liverpool were the better team and I am not taking anything away from them at all.
They deserved to win the game as it was a disappointing performance from us.
We were not good enough.
Last season we lost at home 4-1 to Liverpool which was a travesty
but we went on to win the league."

;D they won the league with the refs...he's trying to do that again...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on October 26, 2009, 22:49
what's old rednose doing in our thread? :P ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: zenit on October 26, 2009, 22:58
what's old rednose doing in our thread? :P ;D


just a hat trick of quotes that we are better ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on October 27, 2009, 01:37
watching again

1. Kuyt's shirt was torn. this foul was so blatant even Wenger would have seen it.
2. Jamie Carragher was on the side of the ball, sure Owen would have probably overtaken him if he didn't block Owen - but they were both grappling. Result: yellow (why? it was six of one and half a dozen of the other).
3. Vidic was already behind Kuyt and the opposite side of the ball when he dragged Kuyt down. Result: yellow.


Andy Gray... bless his little manc heart

"that's the first save Reina has had to make in about 60 minutes of play, and that's a sign of ..."  what:

A. Liverpool's dominance
B. Man Utd's intent to get into the game (someone tell him it's 75 minutes in)

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: asianboy on October 27, 2009, 09:05

;D they won the league with the refs...he's trying to do that again...

United won it only because of Macheda. But whatever make you feel happy.  ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Pingu on October 27, 2009, 12:06

1. Kuyt's shirt was torn. this foul was so blatant even Wenger would have seen it.


Dai, dai, why must you bring Le'Arse and Wenger into it?? >:(

But seriously, was Liverpool's performance that much better than that 'day at the beach'? ;D I only watched the highlights of the Sunderland game and I thought they were somewhat unlucky not to score.

Similarly, in the ManU game everything could have been so different if Valencia's strike had rebounded into the net after hitting the crossbar. A positive result puts an entirely positive gloss on the performance as well...

Liverpool have their strengths, and weaknesses, like any other team. There will be wins and there will be losses. The issue is whether they can be sufficiently consisten to land the big one? I'm still doubtful...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on October 27, 2009, 15:35
Highlights (& movie trailers) cannot tell how well the team plays (or whether the movie is evry minute/second entertaining).

The Sunderland (and esp. Lyon) matches are crappy. In fact, I switched off TV on 85th for Lyon, and later got to know that another crappy goal conceded during that 5min++

Sunday game agst Devils was a much better team play from the back to the front (including Lucas specifically), esp. in the absence of Stevie. So it's not just a 'flashy' cremy effect on the top for show. For this season, Sunday game is one of 2 games that the team plays OK; so far it has been crappy where the back and mid-field are guilty areas).

After 4 defeats, a win (esp. agst Devils) is good for evrybody, esp. my football bet  ;D But Sunday's win is a definite credit to REDs above-par performance.

It is easier and probable to anticipate that after a win, we can approach the next game in a higher spirit and motivation, and of coz it is likely that REDS can win all games thereafter  ;D  Am I being too hopeful and unrealistic  ::) Hopeful, maybe....BUT not necessary unrealistic  ;)

 :)

I only watched the highlights of the Sunderland game and I thought they were somewhat unlucky not to score.

A positive result puts an entirely positive gloss on the performance as well...


when the team sheet was out last Saturday aginst Sunderland, I fell off the chair, spilled 2 cans of Tiger beer and sobbed all the way till the whistle blew - which then I could start breathing normally  :-[
The gaffer obviously had no idea how to deal with the loss of Stevie & Torres. The mid-field and front were craps; and what the hell happened to Carra this season, esp. after the knock with Skrtel on that dreadful, fated match against Spurs  :-\
Later home match aginst Lyon - all bets are on the table  8)
I am preparing to watch 变节 Laughing Gor - Turning Point via PCH, just in case!
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on October 27, 2009, 17:12
If the penalty was given for Berbatov's take down of Kuyt, Liverpool could've gone at least one up in the first half and possibly opening the floodgates but that didn't happen.

If he was shown a yellow, that would've meant a second yellow in the second half but that didn't happen

If Vidic was shown a yellow for barging into Pepe while he was throwing the ball upfield for a fast counter it would've meant an even earlier send off but that didn't happen

If the ref had ruled the beach ball goal disallowed for outside interference it would've meant a draw and maybe Rafa wouldn't have gotten so much stick but didn't happen

so no use arguing what might have happened if Valencia's effort went in. In fact Rafa not arguing over the beach ball goal showed some dignity, SAF wouldn't turned purple in the face and popped an artery not to mention what he might done to the ref...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on October 27, 2009, 23:44
meanwhile...Aurelio got his first call-up to the national team (which is bittersweet) and Aquaman will be on the bench tomorrow (which is sweet)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: scoobydoo on November 01, 2009, 11:05
Rafa is probably the only manager in the world to make substitutions to try win the next game, when he is losing the current one.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: asianboy on November 01, 2009, 11:10
Rafa is probably the only manager in the world to make substitutions to try win the next game, when he is losing the current one.

cant blame him because Liverpool really needs to win mid week match for them to qualify from CL group stage.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: scoobydoo on November 01, 2009, 11:25
I have to disagree. I blame him.

No one knows what is going to happen from today's match to the mid week CPL match. *touch wood*.. any of those players that he saved up could meet with some freak accident or just get injured... He should just play his best players to win the current match.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on November 01, 2009, 11:38
cant blame him because Liverpool really needs to win mid week match for them to qualify from CL group stage.

if you've been reading a lot of Liverpool boards you know the CL is not a priority with 'pool fans
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: asianboy on November 01, 2009, 11:44
if you've been reading a lot of Liverpool boards you know the CL is not a priority with 'pool fans

i know but for the two American owners CL money is important for them to survive.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: asianboy on November 01, 2009, 11:50
I have to disagree. I blame him.

No one knows what is going to happen from today's match to the mid week CPL match. *touch wood*.. any of those players that he saved up could meet with some freak accident or just get injured... He should just play his best players to win the current match.

he does his best to save his players for next match and whatever happened from now to mid week match is beyond his control but he tried though. Anyway Rafa needs to go but you are stuck with poor owners and with him until a new buyer show up.
Title: REDS saw 2 Reds
Post by: cn9601 on November 01, 2009, 17:14
Wat A Match? I couldnt remmeber even when was the last time I ever saw REDS saw 2 Reds during a match  >:(  And Voronin now played free kick & corner kick  :o ??? ::)

Kenny Dalglish on the grandstand looked desperate to take over the manager's job. He looked thinking - what the heck is with the team  >:(

Stevie or no Stevie, Torres or no Torres, tis season has been crappy. We might be short of so-call quality players - but to field rookie and underpar player and to compromise good players by playing out-of-position - Rafa has to go !
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on November 01, 2009, 19:06

Any of you are in Rafa's shoes? I am not defending him but you numpties are just reading what is selling headlines and passing judgement as if you lot know anything about footie or even the situation in Anfield...you'd think as if we have a divine right to have a daily status report updated via the tabloids eh.  :P
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: scoobydoo on November 01, 2009, 19:36
I dont know what is happening within the hierarchy... all I know is that we should try to win every match, and not refuse to play all our best players and sub them with the match still not won, especially if its in the league.

Anyway thats just me.. I stress that I am not bashing Rafa. I just think he has brought Pool the furthest that he can and its time for a change.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: yellowhandman on November 02, 2009, 15:49
Two good articles about Rafa. Very negative, but as a non-Liverpool fan, they sound correct to me. I don't understand why so many Liverpool fans continue to defend him, although as a United fan I'm quite happy for him to remain...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/liverpool/6480911/Henry-Winter-Rafael-Benitez-will-blame-everyone-but-himself-for-Liverpools-plight.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/sam-wallace-benitez-the-forwardthinker-must-stop-overlooking-clear-and-present-dangers-1813217.html

The Independent's columnist seems to be particularly spot-on: Rafa is always planning for the future (next season/game/half), to the extent that he gets to clever about the present. Then he uses the need for future planning as an excuse for present failure, while resting on past laurels.

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: asianboy on November 02, 2009, 16:41
Two good articles about Rafa. Very negative, but as a non-Liverpool fan, they sound correct to me. I don't understand why so many Liverpool fans continue to defend him, although as a United fan I'm quite happy for him to remain...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/liverpool/6480911/Henry-Winter-Rafael-Benitez-will-blame-everyone-but-himself-for-Liverpools-plight.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/sam-wallace-benitez-the-forwardthinker-must-stop-overlooking-clear-and-present-dangers-1813217.html

The Independent's columnist seems to be particularly spot-on: Rafa is always planning for the future (next season/game/half), to the extent that he gets to clever about the present. Then he uses the need for future planning as an excuse for present failure, while resting on past laurels.



i hope they sign him for next twenty years.  ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on November 02, 2009, 21:35
From the above two posts, looks like a Laurel and Hardy act hard at work.  ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: yellowhandman on November 02, 2009, 21:59
From the above two posts, looks like a Laurel and Hardy act hard at work.  ;D

Whatever. I thought those two articles were pretty balanced and wasn't trying to provoke anyone. Just curious what Liverpool fans think.

But I guess it easier to ignore Rafa's obvious flaws and call other people names.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: asianboy on November 02, 2009, 22:09
well even if they accept Rafa has flaws what can they do? Livepool owners are so poor that they have no money to sack Rafa & his staffs to let Rafa go at this moment which is the best part. opps i mean the worst.  ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: zenit on November 02, 2009, 22:27
Quote from the articles...
"Blaming such individuals for being too poor (Andrei Voronin) or too raw (Ryan Babel, David Ngog) is pointless; culpability rests with Benítez for recruiting them while ignoring prodigal sons such as Emile Heskey and Michael Owen. "
I would sell Heskey and Owen if I'm in charge too...
over rated and over paid english players ;D

Whatever. I thought those two articles were pretty balanced and wasn't trying to provoke anyone. Just curious what Liverpool fans think.
But I guess it easier to ignore Rafa's obvious flaws and call other people names.
well even if they accept Rafa has flaws what can they do? Livepool owners are so poor that they have no money to sack Rafa & his staffs to let Rafa go at this moment which is the best part. opps i mean the worst.  ;D
I think you 2 must be an England fanatic...
Steven Gerrard is the only world class englishman...can't think of another one in the current England squad...
Fegie should be the one who always blame everyone except himself.
Rafa is still better than Graeme Souness ;D

asianboy, you MU fan also?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on November 02, 2009, 22:51
Whatever. I thought those two articles were pretty balanced and wasn't trying to provoke anyone. Just curious what Liverpool fans think.

But I guess it easier to ignore Rafa's obvious flaws and call other people names.

Just because I do not share your biased opinion nor the writers' obvious slants does not mean I do not have my own views. Am just not arsed to engage in long replies over this. I just had a interesting discussion over the w/end with another fellow Pool supporter with differing views. At least we agreed to disagree but still were able to put things in perspective as far as Rafa was concerned.

Come come...it really looks like L&H to me...there must be worse things to be called. You pop into a Liverpool thread and cannot take some banter? Touche.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on November 02, 2009, 23:02

My point the other about ex-players who are so called pundits...take Ronnie Whelan...I had the utmost respect for him during his playing days.

However to claim as if he knows what is happening. "When I saw the team I thought he's not bothered about this game. He's putting all his eggs in one basket and I can't see why he's done it." in reference to Rafa focusing only on the CL instead of the league.

He should just focus on polishing those league medals of his and check before speaking.

The list of walking wounded (taken from Football 365)
- Steven Gerrard's continuing groin problems
- Fernando Torres was not fully fit
- Albert Riera's hamstring problem
- Martin Skrtel, Daniel Agger, Glen Johnson, Fabio Aurelio and David Ngog all missed the defeat at Craven Cottage, and are big doubts for Wednesday night at Lyon
- Alberto Aquilani was absent at the weekend with a virus, and even if he recovers from that Benitez will be reluctant to use him as the Italian has only just returned from the injury that saw him miss the first three months of the season.
- Martin Kelly and Diego Cavalieri are also doubtful with an ankle injury and the flu respectively

Duh. Some wag had suggested Sammy Lee play in midfield against Fulham and I thought why not indeed. THAT beach ball could be one of the strikers too.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on November 03, 2009, 10:25

Rafael Benítez suffered a double blow when he was warned that striker Fernando Torres could require surgery on a hernia on Monday night.

Misery loves company... (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/liverpool/6488857/Liverpool-duo-Fernando-Torres-and-Steven-Gerrard-face-surgery.html)

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: boygirl_1004 on November 03, 2009, 14:58
Never mind, after Wednesday's CL game you will see the changes...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: zenit on November 05, 2009, 08:41
Logically we're grounded from CL :'(
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on November 05, 2009, 08:49
On the positive side, it's good news for Rafa.... he now has the rest of of CL and BPL games to experiment different formation and players without any worries on the consequences  :)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on November 05, 2009, 11:03
Well, not quite dead and buried yet, right?  Beat Fiorentina (and Debrecen), and if La Viola don't win their other game Pool still make it, correct? 
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on November 05, 2009, 11:08
Yup. The sun still shines and life goes on.

Read somewhere (can't find the link) where a journo compared Rafa's past 5yrs with Wenger past 5 (not first 5 which he did tremendously well). He posed a decent question. Like for like would anyone suggest sacking Wenger?

Besides Wenger offering his continued support for Rafa, the game and finances in recent years have changed the complexion of the game.

Rafa has his flaws but which manager doesn't? For those calling for the sack or replacement...can anyone really come in and set the ground from the academy through to reserve and first team from scratch?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: freddyhappy on November 05, 2009, 11:24
If I remember correctly, I read somewhere that Rafa has spent 200 to 300 millions pounds since he on board. With this amount, any teams can build a very decent squad. Is Wenger spending similar amount?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on November 05, 2009, 11:27
Go read somemore on those so called numbers from guys who have actually split/tracked the spendings instead of headline grabbing totals.

Plus the point the author was trying to make is when Ferguson or Wenger first joined the league...there wasn't silly money and inflated player costs.

And the other top teams have had decent owners or at least strong plans vs the lack of stability Liverpool's American owners have heaped onto the club.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: freddyhappy on November 05, 2009, 11:55
Isnt Rafa come in before American owner? If i am not wrong, the money mostly spent before the new owner join.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dude on November 05, 2009, 12:19
Now is the time our team needs us most.

The calls to sack Rafa are not new. The team is going through a very rough patch. Our squad last year did not have so many problems at the same time, though the year before last, we did have injury problems as well, if I recall.

There was an earlier post about comparing Wenger and Rafa, and how would people ask for Wenger to be sacked. Didn't the loud mouths last year demand for Wenger's sacking as well, when Gunners went through a bad patch?

It's easy to jump on the bandwagon and call for sacking, but that's not what being a fan is about.

Granted, many of Rafa's buys have been disappointing. I have grown accustomed to his buys being above average in the first season, but disappointing thereafter. See Reira, Babel.

I'm not sure if it has got anything to do with the talent scouts, or it could be Rafa causing the problem. When Rafa tells them that he needs a left winger, they find one, but somehow they come to Anfield, and they can't re-produce the form consistently that caused them to be spotted in the first place.

And Rafa does have a habit of playing players out of position, so that can cause a player not be playing at his best.

I still believe that the season can be successful. This is just a temporary pain that we have to get through. Granted, we are 9 points behind Chelski, but our loss over the weekend still leaves us in 5th. So if we can quickly pull out of this, we may not be winning the league, but after such a state, I would be happy to fight for 2nd. It's not what we should aim for (it should always be to win the Championship), but like I said, I would still be relatively happy..
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on November 05, 2009, 12:25
If one were to look at the current Liverpool status objectively, there are a lot more negatives than positives; it's current owners are not financialy sound, squad is not cohesive and lack of depth, and manager is running out of ideas. The few positive but important aspects are: it still has some key and top class players (Gerrard, Torres, Benayoun, Mascherano, Kuyt, etc.), strong fan base and tradition, and good brand name and marketing potentials.

My 2 cents looking at the current situation, best approach is for club's board and fans to push for an overhaul, including transfer of ownership to a more stable party, scrap the current manager and its current (or lack of) team strategy, induct a new capable manager (try hard to rope in back someone who has capability and passion like Kenny Dalglish), and then rebuild the team strategy including consistent role and formation, squad depth and young succession players. Brand marketing should be part of the club strategy as "Liverpool" is still one of the best known football brands globally and it definitely can be a major earning contribution if things are managed correctly.

However, talk is easy, the effort to initiate and execute is not easy  :)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on November 05, 2009, 12:28
Read somewhere (can't find the link) where a journo compared Rafa's past 5yrs with Wenger past 5 (not first 5 which he did tremendously well). He posed a decent question. Like for like would anyone suggest sacking Wenger?

Yes, but Wenger had already previously delivered 3 titles and an unbeaten league campaign, so has a lot more goodwill banked in than Rafa.  So it's hard to compare like for like given that Wenger had been manager for 7 yrs already.  If anything, what about Fergie's first 5 yrs at ManYoo?  

The other big issue is that with the Ashburton Grove project, there are those who believe the board and Wenger in effect agreed that the way forward would precisely be for Wenger to 'balance the books' each year, by relying on cheap youngsters, and that the price of that strategy would probably be a lack of prizes, which indeed turned out to be the case.  Yet, Wenger still delivered ECL footy every year, reaching the final in 2006 to boot, and arguably came close to the title in 2008 but for one Martin Taylor.  Hence, there is no issue of the board even contemplating sacking Wenger for not winning anything the past 4 yrs, when it was in effect board-sanctioned.  And most Gooners feel the same way.

Going forward, with the property development completing and those loans being paid off, the club seems on a sound financial footing with a nice big shiny new stadium delivering more matchday revenue than ever, and hopefully some of that dosh will finally find its way back into the playing side of things.  

But: the game is being tipped on its end again with the influx of even more oil money.  Sigh...

So if we can quickly pull out of this, we may not be winning the league, but after such a state, I would be happy to fight for 2nd. It's not what we should aim for (it should always be to win the Championship), but like I said, I would still be relatively happy..

Just to be pedantic, you actually DON'T want to win the Championship.  You want to win the Premiership...
(Silly re-branding exercises just confuse matters.  Just what is meant today when they say "the old Division One"?  The actual top flight, from 1889 to 1992?  The second-tier from 1992 onwards until it was renamed "the Championship"?  Similarly with references to Divisions Two and Three.  At least with Four it's pretty obvious.)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dude on November 05, 2009, 14:21

Armoury> point taken.

Luv4nature> how many managers around would be able to take Liverpool to the next level? not many. Dalglish is just wishful thinking. During his time, the squad was very stable. Can he bring about stability? You are talking about someone who has not been in management for many years, and the game has evolved. Can he bring new thinking to the squad, to be able to go up against Sir Alex, Carlo, Wenger? I respect him as a player, but the game has moved on so much that it would not be easy, and certainly not an immediate solution.

Can Rafa deliver? I think he still can. But it's obvious he needs to change the way football is played. Notice how his game tends to yield results against European teams, but the English league is so much more. It's faster, harder, and now more creative than it was.

How I would love to have 1 or 2 of the creative players which Wenger and his scouts seem to find with non-chalant ease. That's why Gunners are such a joy to watch. To see them open up defences is a thing of beauty.

In the Liverpool team with John Barnes, Peter Beardsley, and John Aldridge, it was so simple. Beardsley would pass the ball out of defence to the flying Barnes on the left wing, and John Aldridge knows that he has to sprint to the penalty box to wait for the cross from Barnes, and then score. Simple, effective. Would it still work in the game today? Maybe, but managers would see and know that they have to stop Beardsley and the whole move will stop. See the similarities with the Alonso/Gerrard/Torres combination?

Hopefully, with Aquilani back, then it will be a question of who plays the ball out of defence. It can be either Gerrard or Aquilani, but Torres will remain the main goalscorer.

When Rafa played 442 against United, having 2 strikers, albeit one of much lesser perceived threat, distracted the United defence. Imagine if we had one of almost equal threat as Torres. Let the other teams worry about us scoring.

We have to change the way we play, because we have become too predictable. And you don't need a manager change to change tactics. Rafa has shown that he can change, but he has had success with the 4231 and perhaps believes too much in it.

With Alonso gone, someone has to take his place, and it's either Gerrard or Aquilani. Benayoun has to be a starter, because he is one of the few creative players currently in the squad.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on November 05, 2009, 14:44

Armoury...i can't find that link but the issue that author pointed out was not belittling Wenger but merely to say if one was to objectively compare the past 5 yrs for the 2 managers.

If one would not sack Arsene as he won less and finished lower in the past 5yrs than Liverpool, then why would anyone in the right mind want to sack Rafa.

Of course if you want to compare the first 5yrs then Wenger wins it due to league titles but that is another discussion.

Point being the silly money that has been injected coupled with the internet boom making news instantly accessible has made some so-called supporters demand instant gratification. Win and you stay. Lose and you're out. Many do not even learn enough of the club they "support" hence merely reading headlines and forming an instant opinion...sort of not really peeling the onion if you know what I mean.

Freddyhappy - like I suggested...go dig up and read. Makes for a more meaningful discussion and being what a supporter is all about. Unless it is merely to drive up interest via betting.  :P
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on November 05, 2009, 15:01

For a change instead of pundits/commentator/journalist...another perspective.

A fan's view (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/liverpool/article6903096.ece)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on November 05, 2009, 15:18
Armoury...i can't find that link but the issue that author pointed out was not belittling Wenger but merely to say if one was to objectively compare the past 5 yrs for the 2 managers.

Fair enough and I didn't think that anyway.  But another difference IMHO is that there generally appears to be progress under Wenger, even if say 2008 was a false dawn, whereas with Rafa right now he appears to be spinning his wheels.

Notwithstanding, it seems Rafa is already the fourth-longest serving manager in the Prem (and seventh in League footy generally), behind the two obvious leaders and Everton's Moyes:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_Football_League_managers_by_date_of_appointment

I'd agree Dalglish is wishful thinking.  When he took over in 1985, he had a very good squad already.  At Blackburn, his 1995 title was arguably "bought" and was a one-hit wonder.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on November 05, 2009, 15:33
Fair enough and I didn't think that anyway.  But another difference IMHO is that there generally appears to be progress under Wenger, even if say 2008 was a false dawn, whereas with Rafa right now he appears to be spinning his wheels.

It is relative IMO plus we are both biased.  ;D

I considered 2008 to be a year where Liverpool over-achieved in finishing second plus Chelsea/Arsenal dropping points, not that I wasn't ecstatic with it. To any serious supporter, the past 5 yrs has been a typical mix of sweet and not too sweet memories and I would not exchange it for anything. Granted Houllier tried but unfortunately his heart could not take it and the post-illness years went downhill as he was the next one that actually tried to overhaul the set up.

Any supporter following the post-Dalgish era would certainly know what I am talking about.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on November 05, 2009, 23:06


Luv4nature> how many managers around would be able to take Liverpool to the next level? not many. Dalglish is just wishful thinking. During his time, the squad was very stable. Can he bring about stability? You are talking about someone who has not been in management for many years, and the game has evolved. Can he bring new thinking to the squad, to be able to go up against Sir Alex, Carlo, Wenger? I respect him as a player, but the game has moved on so much that it would not be easy, and certainly not an immediate solution.

Can Rafa deliver? I think he still can. But it's obvious he needs to change the way football is played. Notice how his game tends to yield results against European teams, but the English league is so much more. It's faster, harder, and now more creative than it was.

Sorry but I need to bring out the contradiction in this arguement

Basically assuming Dalglish could only understand and manage football the 80s style, and won't be able to change to cope with today's style. Actually I'm exactly basing on the fact that he had seen and understood what stability is all about, and may have a good chance to build that stability and cohesiveness in the squad again.

On the other hand, assuming that Rafa could still deliver although he has not been able to bring about "stability" in the team over the past 5 years seem quite ?? Stink of short good run in certain champaign-- perhaps yes. Consistency that's repeatable for a prolonged period-- I'm afraid that's out of his means.

Not suggesting it has to be Dalglish, he's just one person potentially, better than getting stuck with Rafa indefinitely...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dude on November 06, 2009, 21:38
As I think about it, stability is a label that critics pin on a team when they are winning. When the are not, then there is chaos.

More important than that is whether the players still believe in Rafa. If they do, then the performances should show a lot of fight. From what I have seen in other teams, when the players are sloppy, that is usually an indication that the players no longer believe in the manager.

So far, from the few recent matches I have seen, the players seem to still be playing with a belief. So, again, I don't believe sacking Rafa is the way to go.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on November 09, 2009, 02:27
sometimes I have doubts about his sanity though ;)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: francis woo on November 09, 2009, 14:24
sometimes I have doubts about his sanity though ;)

hahaha, support showing sign of waning!!!........... ::)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on November 09, 2009, 14:26
hahaha, support showing sign of waning!!!........... ::)

bro, me think it is similar to your Fergie and old goats theory...doesn't mean you support any less lah.  ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on November 09, 2009, 14:39
hahaha, support showing sign of waning!!!........... ::)

LOL we must be supportive, not deaf, dumb and blind. After all Liverpool fans are well known for being 1) self deprecating and 2) cognizant - of good play, by ourselves and others, and it follows that we're sometimes more overtly critical of our own.

I also doubt Sir Alex's sanity, FWIW...
Title: Hicks has no plans to sell off Liverpool's stars
Post by: cn9601 on November 09, 2009, 15:41
it's oni November, and REDS are being written off gradually. And at this stage, REDS big players are being considered to be priced away from Anfield.

While this is tabloid talk or rumor or watever it is, it is a real REDS situation. If there's no Champions League, title challenge drive, what's keeping Torres and Stevie (for example) and to even thinking of attracting others.......

yes...yes, it's oni November. But I have not seen REDS in such dire straits for a long time - I cant even remember when was the last time.... :-[

"Liverpool co-owner Tom Hicks has insisted the club will not be forced to sell off their star names should they fail to qualify for the next stage of the Champions League, or miss out on the competition next season."
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=695772&sec=england&cc=4716
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on November 09, 2009, 19:46

Define dire straits? Hmmm...league position in November or sensationalized press reports?

One has to take a severe dose of reality when reading the dailies...  ::)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on November 09, 2009, 20:05
"Dire Straits": great band of the '80s led by guitarist/vocalist Mark Knopfler. Their debut yielded the perennial hit Sultans of Swing which established Knopfler as a guitar god.

 
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on November 09, 2009, 20:38
Sorie, bro, but somehow u seem to perceive that ppl who get too critical, u imply the person(s) are reading too much into tabloid and press and web stuffs..... ::) ???

Bro SiriuslyCold, allow me to borrow yr words: "LOL we must be supportive, not deaf, dumb and blind."

*[

Define dire straits? Hmmm...league position in November or sensationalized press reports?
One has to take a severe dose of reality when reading the dailies...  ::)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on November 09, 2009, 21:16
I don't read tabloid reports though :)
 
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on November 09, 2009, 21:20
Sorie, bro, but somehow u seem to perceive that ppl who get too critical, u imply the person(s) are reading too much into tabloid and press and web stuffs..... ::) ???

Bro SiriuslyCold, allow me to borrow yr words: "LOL we must be supportive, not deaf, dumb and blind."

*[


Gee...you said so yourself in your comments "While this is tabloid talk or rumor or watever it is.." preceded by quote from Soccernet and then having a link to an article with that same quote. Not sure how much critical thinking went into it. You really have to understand what SC meant by "not deaf, dumb and blind".

SC - LMAO, can't fault your response.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on November 09, 2009, 21:30

Btw cn9601, don't get me wrong, I am all for a good constructive discussion on the team but seriously...when you link Soccernet that is taking the contents from the Daily Mirror...and how much journalism is there hence my take on it as sensationalizing.

So is Torres and Gerrard going to Chelski because of this?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on November 09, 2009, 21:52
Tonite playing a mid-low Birm City Team, they're Rafa's biggest enemy when playing against such teams....so they'll probably struggle. Playing at home?? Ok, then will struggle slightly less.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on November 09, 2009, 21:56
Tonite playing a mid-low Birm City Team, they're Rafa's biggest enemy when playing against such teams....so they'll probably struggle. Playing at home?? Ok, then will struggle slightly less.

Let's hope with the return from injury of some of the players, he can at least field a decent team. Actually IIRC last season we had more problems at home than away with such teams as they visited Anfield and parked the bus across the goalmouth as opposed to playing at their home ground where they were expected to produce a fight by their home support.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on November 09, 2009, 22:46

Criticism is easy (http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/NG166394091109-1109.htm)

Aside from the obvious plug for his book...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on November 10, 2009, 08:57
Let's hope with the return from injury of some of the players, he can at least field a decent team. Actually IIRC last season we had more problems at home than away with such teams as they visited Anfield and parked the bus across the goalmouth as opposed to playing at their home ground where they were expected to produce a fight by their home support.

The struggle against mid-low team is certainly becoming a routine now... note Birm City did not pack their defence, they played offensively and scored 2 goals.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on November 10, 2009, 09:47
*sigh* I set the alarm but didn't wake up, thank god... or I would probably be supremely pissed off this morning 
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on November 10, 2009, 12:01
The struggle against mid-low team is certainly becoming a routine now... note Birm City did not pack their defence, they played offensively and scored 2 goals.

Like SC, did not wake up to watch but that was thanks to my daughter.

Thing is the team is having major yoyo in performance against such teams but I suspect mainly due to not being able to field a fit first 11.

Well I hate to wish other ill but surely injuries will also catch up with the other teams... :P
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Pingu on November 12, 2009, 18:18
Now Reira and Benayoun ruled out for a month. Seems like it doesnt rain but...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dude on November 12, 2009, 22:31
I agree that our poor performances have to do with not being able to play a consistent 11. You can see that our perfornances this year are quite similar to the 2007-08 season, but unlike 08-09 season when we had a settled squad.

Perhaps in trying to play harder and faster, the players may be pushing themselves beyond the limit of their muscles, so injury will occur. It is certainly not due to a bad challenge from opposing players.

Luv4nature> Actually, Birmingham didn't not play that well, and I am not just basing that on the percentage of play. It's been a long time since I got up to watch a 3am or 4am match, but I got up to watch this match. Thought the team could use some moral support..hahah...

Anyway, the goals from Birmingham were from a 1st half that Liverpool let slip from their grasp. They had scored early from Ngog, and the team were playing really well. But the lack of leadership and thrust meant that Birmingham were able to get in the odd attack, and they scored from a free-kick, and a shot that was more speculative than for sure. From 2 players who had not yet scored in the league. These not-yet-scored players somehow can find a goal against us. The last guy who did that was Diego Forlan when he scored 2. Was that in the 2006 or 2007 season?

Chelsea and Arsenal have shown the most stable first 11, and it is no wonder that they are playing the best. Even Man U have had to deal with injuries, and their form is there for all to see. They just have slightly better luck with injuries, and their bench is obviously stronger.

So all the bad buys by Rafa are now haunting us.This break for internationals could not have come at a better time. I hope the injuries all clear up, so that we have a more settled first 11. Rafa still continues to use Kuyt as a right winger, when he seems to be unwilling to revert Kuyt to the striker position. Kuyt was a striker in Holland, with Holland, and also when he first joined Liverpool. Surely there must be another player in the youth squad, for example, who can play right wing. It can't be that we bought European for our youth team as well.....
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on November 13, 2009, 21:04

"He has won the Champions League, but only one of his last nine fixtures. He still appears adored by many on the Kop, but is derided by still more on message boards and phone-ins. He is one of the most divisive figures in football. But how many of the criticisms commonly leveled at Rafa Benitez stand up to analysis?"

An analysis on Rafa (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story?id=697392&sec=england&root=england&cc=3888)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on November 19, 2009, 11:09
Rafa talks to Tony Evans of the Times.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/liverpool/article6919462.ece

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“In 2004 the squad was worth, what, £100 million? Now perhaps we have one player worth that,” he says. “The whole squad? Maybe £250 million.

“The club was nearly sold for £85 million five years ago. Now the price is £500 million. We must be doing something right.

“We are much better now than we were three or four years ago in every single thing — in the commercial department, the marketing department, in football.

“The majority of the fans, especially the ones who go to the stadium, realise the team is working and improving, and is better than before. To achieve 86 points in the league last season is part of the progression. The direction of the club is right. But everyone wants to win and we are disappointed when we don’t win any game or any trophy.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/liverpool/article6920873.ece

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Those who believed Benítez to be innately negative were surprised this season when he signed Glen Johnson as an attacking full back, but the manager has been looking for positive contributions from his defence for a long time. Here, too, he saw Barry as an option. “If you wanted to be more offensive, you could use Barry as a left full back and he would still be controlling the game because he’s good with the ball,” Benítez said. “He could play as a winger. Not a winger just to beat players but one with good delivery, good crosses, good possession.

“That was the idea. Everything was perfect. Good player, good mentality and English.”

The plan had gone awry and a new system was needed to put in its place. Using Steven Gerrard as a second striker compromised Keane’s role. Benítez acted decisively, sending Keane back to White Hart Lane after a mere six months at Anfield.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on November 26, 2009, 02:57
 ;D hahaha...boohoohoo :'(
http://www.lfc-endofseasonparty.com/
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on November 26, 2009, 09:55
 :-\ This is really bone-deep cruel and wicked joke!

But I like it - how true it is  :'(  :-[

YNWA ........

;D hahaha...boohoohoo :'(
http://www.lfc-endofseasonparty.com/
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on November 26, 2009, 12:33
Yeah and I hope rafa eats humble pie and not try too hard for the europa league, fourth placing more important than any silverware right now... :P
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on November 26, 2009, 14:03
that was funny :)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on November 26, 2009, 14:53
that was funny :)

Good to see you have a sense of humour about it.  But it's premature, whilst incredibly unlikely, the league season is only one-third through and the teams above could all still have hiccups and Liverpool could go on a 14-game winning streak.  Yes, I know unlikely, but still possible.  And while it's a mere consolation bauble, there is the Europa League to play for.

This reminds me of the poster drawn up by some footy fan a few year ago, presumably a Gooner, "celebrating" the shortest-ever campaign by an EPL club: Spurs lost their first (and therefore only) games in both League and FA Cups, and with no European involvement, they therefore played only 40 games that season.  A modern-day record for shortest season (by number of games) by a top-flight club.   ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on November 26, 2009, 15:01

How else to overcome such sporting grief other than to laugh it off eh.

Speaking of the Spurs record, I recall someone posting a picture of a 3.5" floppy disc of Everton's Champion League history vs a DVD for Liverpool's exploits.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: silencer13 on November 26, 2009, 15:58
I agree, the season is far from over and Liverpool, though looking unlikely now, still has a chance to bounce back in the league.

We've already seen the top teams dropping more points this season than the previous ones.... and looking at the teams now, they are more than likely to drop more points.

Of the top 4 teams, only Chelsea is looking very solid.... but you never know what will happen during the African Nations cup. Injuries or fatigue to either Drogba or Essien will put a big dent in their team.

ManU, even though they have a "big" squad, don't look as convincing as past seasons. If they were to lose Rooney or Vidic they would be in trouble too.

Arsenal, we all know, tend to stumble towards the end of the season.

Villa, Spurs, Man City - will we see a spectacular crash at the end of the season ala Villa last season?

Anyway, the point being that Liverpool DO stand half a chance of at least a top-2 spot IF they win their remaining games.   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Pingu on November 26, 2009, 17:18
Spurs lost their first (and therefore only) games in both League and FA Cups, and with no European involvement, they therefore played only 40 games that season.  A modern-day record for shortest season (by number of games) by a top-flight club.   ;D

And that is the only season they came perilously close to pipping Arsenal for the 4th spot, for the lasagna debacle. Everything has a silver lining...

Anyway, I think neither Liverpool nor Arsenal has the strenght in depth to challenge for honours on all fronts. Modern day football is so intense that even 2 games a week takes its toll. Last weekend both Sagna and Gallas appeared jaded in the Sunderland game after that game with Ireland. And Arsenal's after mid-week European exploits are always flat. Remember West Ham?

Given the current injury crisis Liverpool should consider their early CL exit as a blessing in disguise. Just concentrate on the league. The competition for a CL spot is really intense this year and neither Arsenal nor Liverpool can take anything for granted.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on November 26, 2009, 17:29
Given the current injury crisis Liverpool should consider their early CL exit as a blessing in disguise. Just concentrate on the league. The competition for a CL spot is really intense this year and neither Arsenal nor Liverpool can take anything for granted.

That presupposes they deliberately flop out of the Europa League knock-out games, like Villa sort-of did last season.  They may have exited the ECL, but they haven't exited European competition entirely.  It's their call how seriously they want to take the Europa League.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Pingu on November 26, 2009, 17:35
they should take a leave out of Wenger's book. Give their fringe/younger players a run-out. Will give them some much needed exposure and also help to weed out those who cant cut it. The Europa League, whose gonna remember the winner in years to come? But it may provide a valuable platform for player development.


Btw, where are the Liverpool youngsters? Benitez always seem to have a short-term buy buy and sell sell policy... oops! Sorry!
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on November 26, 2009, 18:08
Chelsea might actually extend their lead after christmas even without their african players, look at their fixtures:
9/1 Hull - Chelsea
16/1 Chelsea - Sunderland
28/1 Chelsea - Birmingham
31/1 Burnley - Chelsea
how fortuitous...plus the suspension of their transfer suspension...
The fight for fourth I suspect would be a brutal one....
Liverpool's hope would be if sparky gets the boot and RVP breaks something ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on December 10, 2009, 09:35
If there is a bottom, when will we hit it?

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on December 10, 2009, 12:58
or rather looking up, we can see the light. But can we reach it...... ::) :-\ :'(  the others ought to lose points before we can climb  :-X

If there is a bottom, when will we hit it?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on December 10, 2009, 16:33
This was posted by one of the members of the LFC mailing list - to the mailing list.

Quote
 
Personally I think both Rafa and the players share responsibility (along
with Rafa's backroom staff).

What annoys me is that as fans we are splitting into two factions of Players
fault v Managers fault.

Fact of the matter they are both to blame and all need to stick together,
understanding that there is a need to improve and get on with the fact that
we don't have money.

With little money, Rafa succeeded at Valencia and was one of the reasons we
chose him. He needs to show why we chose him and keep looking for the right
solution. He needs to bring in the right players and play them in the most
appropriate position (he should not be guessing at this).

He needs to admit he isn't doing his job that well at the moment. He is
paid to make us win games. which we haven't been doing. It is his job to
fix that by using the resources he has (he know injuries happen and knew the
money around when he signed the contract extension).

As for the players, most are international players with years of experience
and this season some have not been up to standard. They are paid a lot of
money and have first class facilities and fans and when they start a game,
they should not worry about what has happened before but concentrate on that
game and do their best. I do not believe that they have all been doing that
this season. The likes of Carra, Kuyt, Babel, Insua and others should be
looking themselves and sorting it out with Rafa and the others. I think
some have started to do that, but there is along way to go. Look at Benny
and Lucas of examples of how to improve.

In the meantime we need to suck it up, accept that we need to get behind the
team to help them through this without negative bitterness which will affect
the players.

We always claim to be special fans with our Liverpool Way. We didn't earn
that reputation during the good times. We earned it during the lowest
moments. those moments during the darkest (Hillsborough/Heysel) or most
desperate (Olympiakos, Istanbul, the 2001 FA Cup Final) hours, when we
didn't give up and just behind the team.

We too often underestimate our influence on our own players, esp. the
negative effect we have on them. and yes some will say that they shouldn't
let us influence them, but that just makes us like a Villa/Spurs/Chelsea and
every other run of the mill fan in the EPL.

Are we really that boring, or are we the best bloody fans in the world. Was
Shanks wrong? Or do we fans deserve mediocrity as we have become mediocre
fans ready to snipe and moan as it is easier than standing up to say we're a
Red and proud of it when other laugh at us? And they are laughing. and it
does not feel good.

If you have a criticism (and there are some fair ones at the moment -
players playing out of position) by all means make it. We have always done
so, but in a constructive way. Make the point and explain it. Say how you
would improve the situation, not just "Oh he's rubbish because I read
something somewhere". Or we can all just play CM9. which I have to admit is
possibly more fun than watching us play at the moment (due to our lack of
ambition to try and win games from the start and continue right to the end).
but I'm a Red fan, not a mediocre one.

We suffer together.

We celebrate together.

We even argue together.

But we stick together, through the wind, the rain and the (long overdue)
dawn.

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on December 10, 2009, 18:40
This was posted by one of the members of the LFC mailing list - to the mailing list.

Not bad.  Didn't think Scousers could be so eloquent...  ;D

Quote
We too often underestimate our influence on our own players, esp. the
negative effect we have on them. and yes some will say that they shouldn't
let us influence them, but that just makes us like a Villa/Spurs/Chelsea and
every other run of the mill fan in the EPL.

I wonder: was he deliberate in naming Villa, Spurs and Chelski, or was it a case of 'first ones that come to mind'?  Chelski have been on a bit of a high since Roman took over, since they hadn't won the league in 50 yrs and not much else in that half-century, and even though they've gone 3 yrs without the title I don't get the impression they're moaning all that much. 

Spurs fans seem to face a false dawn with each new manager they bring in, who often promises much at the beginning of his reign (cf Ramos) but it's always ended in tears.  Can't remember the stat but they've had something like 6 or more managers in the time Wenger's been in charge at the other end of the Seven Sisters.

Villa are enjoying their best run in terms of league placing in many years, though I suppose "just missing out" on an ECL place each year could be a bit frustrating, but I don't get that impression.

If anything, I would have thought the one set of fans that needs soul-searching along similar lines as Mr Scouser is calling for amongst his fellow Scousers is -- Gooners.  We haven't won anything in 4 yrs, and not the title in 5.  Granted we've qualified for the ECL every year, and reached the knock-out stages of the ECL as well every year, which I guess compared to everybody else in the EPL outside the Big Four looks pretty damned good, But I do note that some Gooners on our mailing list are suggesting that Wenger's taken us as far as he can, or at least as far as he can under his 'youth first', 'on the cheap' policy, and that he needs to buy, and buy big, this January window.

In the meantime, the fans attending games do seem a bit less vocal in support during games, which does seem to translate into nervousness amongst the players.  Unlike the days of the Famous Back Four/Five, when we "just knew" we could hold a one-nil lead, it's now the exact opposite, and some think the fans' anxiety apparently does transmit itself to the players.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on December 20, 2009, 00:52
we're really pathetic

fortunately Spud provided some schadenfreude ;)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on December 20, 2009, 01:03
we're really pathetic

fortunately Spud provided some schadenfreude ;)

Misery loves company?  How about them Mancs?   ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dude on December 28, 2009, 19:44
Why oh why does Rafa not want to try something different? It's so obvious that opposing teams have realised a long time ago how predictable the team has become, but he has still persisted with playing one striker..

Can't he play with 2 strikers, so that the opposing defence has to worry about 2 strikers, as well as attacking midfielders, rather than just double teaming Torres, and the threat ends?

Last season, when opposing teams score, Liverpool went straight for the counter, confident that they can score more than the other team. Now, when they start game, you can sense that they are so nervous, that the aim is not to concede, when it should be to score...

Lucas has had more than a fair run in the side, and it's time for Spearing to be given the chance. From reports of his performance in the youth team, he has the dynamism of Gerrard, so why isn't he being given the opportunity? He can't be worse than when Lucas started....
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Taylormade on December 29, 2009, 00:40
Hi new to this forum  :)

I really dun understand what Rafa sees in Luca...
At least Kyut ,beside being a hard worker, has slowly developed into a versatile player after being thrown into the right mid for so long .
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dude on December 29, 2009, 01:46
Welcome, Taylormade

I can see that Lucas has improved since the seasons started. But it does not surprise me, since a player will invariably improve as he gets more games. Why he gets more games than Babel, I will not know, the only difference being that Lucas has not been quoted making complaints, but has kept quiet and done what Rafa instructs, so I guess he is being 'rewarded'.

I think Rafa needs to go to a 442 formation. We need to take some of the attention of Torres, else we will see him getting more frustrated. We won't have money for a big name striker, so I think Ngog has to play.

In a 442, the defence will remain who they are, but in midfield, there should be a change - Gerrard, Spearing, Benayoun, and Aquilani. Gerrard will have to be sacrificed to the right, because Kuyt tries, but he is really a striker. Aquilani should be at the tip of a diamond formation supporting Torres and Ngog.

I wouldn't put Gerrard in the defensive midfielder covering the defence, because he likes to attack, and curbing this instinct will not benefit us. I'm not sure Aquilani can be in that position; if he can, then Gerrard can support the front 2, Benayoun will be on the right with Reira on the left.

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Taylormade on December 29, 2009, 12:28
Agree, we should have played 442 rather than leaving Torres to all the attention from the defenders. No matter how good he is, he can't alway perform miracle with 2 or 3 defenders sticking to him and kicking his heels.

I'd love to see the changes to the formation, other than Kyut we can have Benayoun and Babel on the wing. Lucas can be omitted. The problem with Babel is that he tries to impress to much by taking on too many defenders. I guess he's left on the bench for too long.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on January 11, 2010, 20:30
Hicks Jnr falls on his sword after email tirade

Tom Hicks Jnr has been forced to resign from the board of Liverpool after an amazing email attack on a supporter.

Stephen Horner wrote to Hicks Jnr to express his concerns over the lack of transfer funds for boss Rafael Benitez. First, Horner was branded an "idiot". Then a second response from Hicks jnr said: "Blow me, ****face. Go to hell. I'm sick of you."

(more (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=723689&sec=england&cc=4716))
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on January 14, 2010, 06:28
Pathetic.

Congrats to Reading and good luck in the next round.

This team should be ashamed of itself.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on January 14, 2010, 10:38

It never rains but it sure pours...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: vieri on January 14, 2010, 10:47
Hi new to this forum  :)

I really dun understand what Rafa sees in Luca...
At least Kyut ,beside being a hard worker, has slowly developed into a versatile player after being thrown into the right mid for so long .

Maxi Rodriguez deal has gone through. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/liverpool/6983776/Liverpool-sign-Maxi-Rodriguez-on-free-transfer-from-Atletico-Madrid.html
Let's hope he's not another Dossena or Degen or Kyrgiakos....the list goes on......

Vieri
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: silencer13 on January 14, 2010, 13:13
Liverpool out of the FA cup with a loss at Anfield to Reading, a lower division side.
Fernando Torres and Steven Gerrard both injured during the game.

It sure is pouring now.   :( :( :(
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: yellowhandman on January 14, 2010, 13:21
Maxi Rodriguez deal has gone through. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/liverpool/6983776/Liverpool-sign-Maxi-Rodriguez-on-free-transfer-from-Atletico-Madrid.html
Let's hope he's not another Dossena or Degen or Kyrgiakos....the list goes on......

Vieri

Why would Athletico be giving him away if he was any good? I did hear on one of the football podcasts that he's actually a decent player who has become disgruntled and disruptive at Athletico, but I'd still be surprised if he's anything more than competent.

Which may still make him better than the players you've mentioned.

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: DIYer Straits on January 14, 2010, 15:24
Liverpool out of the FA cup with a loss at Anfield to Reading, a lower division side.
Fernando Torres and Steven Gerrard both injured during the game.

It sure is pouring now.   :( :( :(
It would be interesting to see how Liverpool play against Spurs on the 20th.  ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Pingu on January 14, 2010, 15:59
Why would Athletico be giving him away if he was any good? I did hear on one of the football podcasts that he's actually a decent player who has become disgruntled and disruptive at Athletico, but I'd still be surprised if he's anything more than competent.

Which may still make him better than the players you've mentioned.



I suppose Rafa's record in the transfer market doesn't exactly inspire confidence...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on January 14, 2010, 16:01
Why would Athletico be giving him away if he was any good? I did hear on one of the football podcasts that he's actually a decent player who has become disgruntled and disruptive at Athletico, but I'd still be surprised if he's anything more than competent.

Which may still make him better than the players you've mentioned.



My thoughts are
a) helps to provide Masch some Argie company as the former has at times been rumoured to be thinking of moving...
b) for that price some midfield cover as well as supposedly attacking option on the flanks
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: freddyhappy on January 15, 2010, 16:50
Hiddink for Liverpool, anyone?

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_5861288,00.html
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on January 15, 2010, 17:11
Definitely maybe  :) its says he has to ask the russkie mob for permission...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on January 15, 2010, 17:20
I'm not in favor of sacking managers in the middle of the season...but Hiddink to  Liverpool sounds tempting
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: silencer13 on January 15, 2010, 17:32
lol! Interesting story. Hiddink says he has to ask Roman's permission.
I don't think any person in his right mind would say yes.... that's like giving your opponent a weapon to kill you with.   ;D ;D ;D

I read somewhere that Liverpool can't even afford to kick Rafa and sign a new manager at the moment. The costs involved would be too great. So sad.   :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: vieri on January 15, 2010, 17:39
Dont think Hiddink will take up any permanent position during a WC year. He was invloved with Korea then Australia & more recently Russia until their unfortunate loss to Slovenia & Im suspecting he's waiting on the wings should any qualified country decides to eject their manager. 1st choice - maradona.

Vieri
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: francis woo on January 15, 2010, 17:47
Don't think at this stage anybody can help them, just too many casualties and non performing players................... :P

Needs a miracle......insha'allah
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dude on January 15, 2010, 18:20
re the saving of funds for a spending spree in the summer.

That actually makes a lot of sense...think about it. As a Championship side, you'll get lesser money, so you need to save now to buy players, and to prevent the club from going into receivership...

Genius...

Or maybe, they not buying in Jan is an excuse...so that the money can be used to give Rafa the boot.....
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Pingu on January 15, 2010, 19:05
I'm not in favor of sacking managers in the middle of the season...but Hiddink to  Liverpool sounds tempting

et tu Brutus? ;D


Or maybe, they not buying in Jan is an excuse...so that the money can be used to give Rafa the boot.....

interesting point. considering the monies Liverpool have spunked in recent years on players, what's another 15 mil or so?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: yellowhandman on January 15, 2010, 20:58
I was amazed to read that Maxi Rodriguez is already 29, and Liverpool have given him a 3 1/2 year contract...how much longer can he go on?

Now the talk is of Dalglish taking over...I guess if he really wants to be the saviour, he can offer to take the job for whatever they are already paying him as an ambassador, so that he doesn't effectively cost more than sacking Benitez. He could agree to bonuses if he wins trophies, which would be money well spent.

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Pingu on January 16, 2010, 20:30
Well, I for one will be rooting for a Liverpool victory tonight.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Pingu on January 16, 2010, 21:59
nah, I give up! After a first half like that, cant torture myself any further by watching the second half...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on January 16, 2010, 22:44
Quite hopeless defence + threatless front..... think they'll end up at most mid of table at the end of season.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dude on January 16, 2010, 22:49
A battling display, which I will take any day...

Rafa really needs to think about changes to the way the team plays...we are too predictable to trouble other teams. If we are on-form, then the other teams will have to worry about us. With out form and injuries, it's just so easy to pick us apart, so we need to surprise tactically...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on January 23, 2010, 01:42
any chance this'll happen?

http://www.milannews.it/?action=read&idnotizia=16510

babel to milan in exchange for huntelaar
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: vieri on January 28, 2010, 11:35
Babel in the same class as Huntelaar?  ;D

Alex Fickleson & ARSEne Wanker were monitoring & chasing Huntelaar before he went to Real. If the rumors were true, then
I would welcome Huntelaar to compliment Torres & revert to the 4-3-1-2 system. Then Aquilani play where if gerrard is fit?

Vieri

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on January 28, 2010, 12:48
sshhh not so loud the italians might find out
but honestly both of them are warming the bench and its world cup year so they're getting angtsy
who knows
he might thrive
in serie ah
our bumbling rappin' star
 ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on March 14, 2010, 11:03

Is there really dressing room discord or just the usual sh*t-stirring by British media...in a period where Liverpool should be huddling together and working out the problems...we have quotes from Carra last week about how he doesn't mind if he leaves Liverpool in the future...now Torres being quoted about wanting to see world class transfers before he considers his future (yeah, where are we gonna find the funds for these cos there sure aren't many white knights left around)...and Captain Marvelous is sulking on the pitch it seems...our expensive summer signing has recovered from injuries but not playing regularly in this tough times due to some inexplicable reasons from the gaffer...

On the recent links of new managers...can they do better? Perhaps a new face may strike something in the players to play better for a while but that is a short-term solution at best. Medium-term the club is still saddled with the American owners who, if not changed, I am afraid is going to lead us into the dark ages...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on March 15, 2010, 10:26
On the recent links of new managers...can they do better? Perhaps a new face may strike something in the players to play better for a while but that is a short-term solution at best. Medium-term the club is still saddled with the American owners who, if not changed, I am afraid is going to lead us into the dark ages...

"Into the dark ages"?  I would have thought arguably your lot are already half-way there, 20 years without a title; although you do have the consolation of one ECL win.

All this Pompey nonsense at least seems to have focused minds on the ownership and debt levels of clubs.  Personally I hope they quickly come up with something that prohibits leveraged buyouts (i.e what the Glazers did to ManYoo, and the other Yanks sort-of did with Pool), so that buyers must secure their own loans and can't dump it onto the club.  Then it wouldn't happen to Arsenal  :P
Title: Real Madrid want Liverpool boss Benitez
Post by: Luv4nature on March 15, 2010, 11:39
Spanish report: Real Madrid want Liverpool boss Benitez to replace Pellegrini

http://www.gfdb.com/NewsItem.197736.Spanish-report-Real-Madrid-want-Liverpool-boss-Benitez-to-replace-Pellegrini.aspx

This should serve as a welcome news to take away Benitez without having LFC to pay hefty sum to sack him.

On the other hand, if the current interested investor could really inject capital to dilute the American ownership and provide the much needed funds for new signing, new coach and new stadium, then things will be moving in the right direction, and then ....

You'll never walk alone.... towards light at the end of the tunnel !!
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on March 15, 2010, 11:52
Who's available that can replace Rafa?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on March 15, 2010, 12:26
Who's available that can replace Rafa?

And that's the big question, isn't it?  "King" Kenny?  Maureen-Yo?  (But he's just waiting for SAF to retire.)

Have any recently retired (i.e. in the last 10 years or so) Liverpool players become managers?  Offhand I can think of Paul Ince, but I'm pretty sure your lot don't want him as manager. 
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: francis woo on March 15, 2010, 12:30

Have any recently retired (i.e. in the last 10 years or so) Liverpool players become managers?  Offhand I can think of Paul Ince, but I'm pretty sure your lot don't want him as manager. 

Curious!! where is he now!!....... ???
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on March 15, 2010, 13:57

Not sure how the finances work but from reading a particular report, the current co-owners are required by their banks to reduce the debt by 100mio pounds. Coincidentally the new injection sought is about 40% stake of about 110-120mio pounds.

It means diluting their share to 30% each but where is new money to be found for players, let alone stadium etc..
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on March 15, 2010, 15:57
If the banks just want to lower their risks with the current owners but not the club, the debt- equity ratio of the newly structured club will then be much lower, enabling it to raise funding to carry out its improvement plans.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on March 15, 2010, 16:49
Curious!! where is he now!!....... ???

Last I remember, he had returned to Milton Keynes Dons, where he initially had some success as manager before his disastrous attempt at a higher level.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on March 15, 2010, 21:51
 >:( big-time charlie ... yucks

Rafa did almost bring Liverpool the premiership last season. If only Keane didn't miss all those sitters (it took him till mid-November to score his first premiership goal and Rafa started him every game til he scored - I think) and the two points stolenrob-bed at Stoke whine whine whine
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: francis woo on March 18, 2010, 10:52
Another nail on the head.... :P

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=757508&sec=england&cc=4716
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on March 18, 2010, 12:10
Guess his time is about up, am sure many other players are also not happy but just keeping to themselves for now. Should let him go to RM... and bring his problems there too.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on March 18, 2010, 17:16
et tu brute
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on March 19, 2010, 14:59

FWIW, So, Who's Going To Finish Fourth? (http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8750_6032769,00.html)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: francis woo on March 19, 2010, 15:25
FWIW, So, Who's Going To Finish Fourth? (http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8750_6032769,00.html)

It's tough to pick one at this juncture!!....... ::)  Wud love to see the Reds in that position but my heart tells me Spurs!!......... :)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: silencer13 on March 19, 2010, 15:36
I would say Villa, Spurs, then Liverpool Man City.

But then if Liverpool can thrash ManU this weekend, I'd totally revise my opinion.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on March 19, 2010, 15:47

But then if Liverpool can thrash ManU this weekend, I'd totally revise my opinion.

That depends on whether Vidic gets red-carded  ;)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on March 19, 2010, 17:57
will that make it fourth in a row? :)

Seems Riera punched Danny Pacheco on the training ground before his rant at Rafa

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2010/03/18/albert-riera-training-ground-bust-up-with-liverpool-fc-youngster-meant-radio-outburst-was-final-straw-100252-26065195/

his time of the month?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: jerms on March 20, 2010, 02:50
That depends on whether Vidic gets red-carded  ;)

seems like Stevie is more on the boil nowadays.

odds-on for the dismissal.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: asianboy on March 20, 2010, 11:28
seems like Stevie is more on the boil nowadays.

odds-on for the dismissal.

are you kidding me? This guy will get away with anything. Even he hit Ref, ppl will say it was self-defense.  ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Spunky on March 20, 2010, 21:04
are you kidding me? This guy will get away with anything. Even he hit Ref, ppl will say it was self-defense.  ;D

had I not seen the 'quote' box, I wld have thought you r talking about fergie ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: jerms on March 20, 2010, 23:24
are you kidding me? This guy will get away with anything. Even he hit Ref, ppl will say it was self-defense.  ;D

wahahaha.

no worries, at Stretford, he won't.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: silencer13 on March 22, 2010, 18:38
The only way (I feel) that Liverpool's going to improve is to sack Rafa and get a new (and better) manager.
Even an early Champions League exit and a loss to ManU can't get him sacked, looks like more motivation is needed.

Looking at the league table, I can see the perfect motivation - Everton finishing above Liverpool.  :D

It isn't as unlikely as it sounds - Everton is just 6 points behind with a game in hand, albeit with a much inferior goal difference.
Both have relatively easy run-ins, Liverpool's toughest game will be against Chelsea, Everton's against Aston Villa and Man City.

While Liverpool is waaaay off-form, Everton is getting their key players back and getting into good form.
The prospect of them overtaking Liverpool is very very likely, I think.

For the sake of Liverpool's future, maybe they should take the bitter pill this season.
Finishing below Everton should be the final humiliation that will get Rafa sacked..... I hope.   :-X :-X :-X
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: asianboy on March 22, 2010, 19:12
do they have enough money to sack rafa?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: silencer13 on March 22, 2010, 20:02
do they have enough money to sack rafa?

Soon, it will be a question of - "can they afford not to?"
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: yellowhandman on March 22, 2010, 20:58
Liverpool's owners are probably secretly hoping that another team from the Continent will come and poach Rafa...then they can let him go AND get compensation.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on March 22, 2010, 22:35
who won't have enough $ after poaching their #1 target....
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on March 24, 2010, 18:01
Benitez admits Liverpool need rivals to slip-up....

When you're not in control, you pray that your competitors fail.... what a loser !!

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_sports/view/1045558/1/.html


Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on March 24, 2010, 18:20
Benitez admits Liverpool need rivals to slip-up....

When you're not in control, you pray that your competitors fail.... what a loser !!

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_sports/view/1045558/1/.html

A bit harsh IMHO.  He's just stating facts, after all. 
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dsj88 on March 24, 2010, 18:46
Benitez should work for the government. He is so good at statistics. Football tactics - he is a f***wit
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Pingu on March 24, 2010, 23:12
A bit harsh IMHO.  He's just stating facts, after all. 

Agree. You could say the same for Arsenal for some time now.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on March 24, 2010, 23:37
Benitez admits Liverpool need rivals to slip-up....

When you're not in control, you pray that your competitors fail.... what a loser !!

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_sports/view/1045558/1/.html




And what would you have him say..."that's it...we're screwed...let's raise the white flag..."?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on March 25, 2010, 00:25
Not that, but " I'm not good enough for Liverpool, I quit !"
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: jerms on March 25, 2010, 01:31
"The team was not fantastic but it was not worse than United. You couldn't see the difference in the table out on the pitch. I don't think it is a setback."

WTF
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on March 25, 2010, 02:07
Good managers are able to use the strength (and also covering the short comings) of individual players to gel a team, end result is that whole team works as one. Jose Mourinho & Fergie are lead example, while Wenger, Martin O'Neil, David Moyes & Harry Redknapp are also pretty good in putting up good teams that play with fluidity and unity, and with discipline.

Problem with Rafa is that he's always toying with the line up as if he's solving a jig-saw puzzle, and for players that don't fit in well (like Lucas!) he still tries very hard to force fit them into the squad, probably to prove some point of his. Once in a while he gets lucky with it. Other times he fails miserably even playing weak teams as his jig saw puzzle falls apart.

He's probably more suited as a youth or second team coach, that you often try placing junior players at different positions and also trying out different formations to test out player's versatality and potentials.

Too bad he is toying with a team that carries so much high expectation & history. Experimental time has run out...... & club and fans paid the price.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on March 25, 2010, 10:32
IMHO, Rafa ought to have said, "I am no Great Man, so I wont say it takes a Great Man to QUIT. I wont QUIT. Sack me if you can! KNN...here I am paid well for the kind of things I am doing. 打死也不走 !!! No worries, I sell Stevie & Torres in the summer to keep my rice bowl!"  8)

While I think Rafa is a manager, but just that he is not suited for EPL - somehow his tactics does not work well for the kind of game play in EPL  :-\

Not that, but " I'm not good enough for Liverpool, I quit !"
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: jerms on March 26, 2010, 00:10
i'm beginning to believe he's more myopic than wenger.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on March 29, 2010, 00:41
anyone heard of Fernanda Torres?
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1276/1096172359_77e5de1471.jpg)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on March 29, 2010, 08:52
anyone heard of Fernanda Torres?

Googled search typo?  ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on March 29, 2010, 09:24
no actually I was doing some movie search when I came across her name; I thought it was a typo and it was el Nino, but no.. there is such a person.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: yellowhandman on March 29, 2010, 09:36
I think Fernando is prettier...he has the blond hair and those high cheekbones that always look like they have some blush on them...

 :P

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on March 29, 2010, 17:36
oooerr... ;D

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dude on March 29, 2010, 20:30
Good managers are able to use the strength (and also covering the short comings) of individual players to gel a team, end result is that whole team works as one. Jose Mourinho & Fergie are lead example, while Wenger, Martin O'Neil, David Moyes & Harry Redknapp are also pretty good in putting up good teams that play with fluidity and unity, and with discipline.

Problem with Rafa is that he's always toying with the line up as if he's solving a jig-saw puzzle, and for players that don't fit in well (like Lucas!) he still tries very hard to force fit them into the squad, probably to prove some point of his. Once in a while he gets lucky with it. Other times he fails miserably even playing weak teams as his jig saw puzzle falls apart.

He's probably more suited as a youth or second team coach, that you often try placing junior players at different positions and also trying out different formations to test out player's versatality and potentials.

Too bad he is toying with a team that carries so much high expectation & history. Experimental time has run out...... & club and fans paid the price.

Actually, at least for this season, he is trying to fill the gap left by Alonso. The problem was he bought a player who was injured (Aquilani), and there was no-one to provide the same range of passing that Alonso offered.

Face it, this season, so many of the players were off-form or injured. Last season, we did very well because the team gelled, and the Gerard-Torres combination managed to stay injury-free, and had very consistent form. So the results came.

In one of the other threads, I said that he had to sacrifice the Gerard-Torres combination, and play Gerard in the position that Alonso had. Gerard has a great understanding with Torres, but with Alonso gone, there was no box-to-box player, and without that extra thrust in attack, it was very easy for other teams to stop Liverpool's attack.

In that same post, I suggested that it was time for Rafa to create another attacking duo - Aquilani and Torres. I think in the Portsmouth game, Rafa tried it, and it seems that the team had another attacking dimension, since Gerard could burst through from midfield on one of his rampaging runs.

He seemed to have given Gerard the same box-to-box instruction, and it tore Sunderland to shreds, since they could not cope with his runs, and also his understanding with Torres.

Mind you, Gerard is 30 this year, I think, so time to build that understanding of Aquilani and Torres for next season.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on April 01, 2010, 07:57
I'm not anti-Rafa, but... isn't he predictable? After a great team performance with Gerrard in CM, guess what he says

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=764202&cc=4716

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: jerms on April 01, 2010, 15:08
I'm not anti-Rafa, but... isn't he predictable? After a great team performance with Gerrard in CM, guess what he says

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=764202&cc=4716



"For a long time critics have been urging Benitez to deploy Gerrard in what they feel is his best position but the manager said what was more important was the overall game plan."

wahahaha the "overall game plan" is to WIN la dammit.  wtf.  rafa's a twit.

keep it up!
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: francis woo on April 01, 2010, 21:16
OMG, Lukas playing tonight!!!   Bye Reds....... ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: jerms on April 02, 2010, 05:08
bad refreeing.

benfica rode their luck. 

pool tremendous with only 10 men most of game.

it'll be a walk in the park at anfield.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on April 02, 2010, 16:06
it'll be a walk in the park at anfield.

this is the worry though. I know we were 10 men last night but we could have held the ball better :P
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on April 05, 2010, 00:00
Watching the game vs BC, felt they played not too badly. These days, pool's not able to create a lot ofscoring chances, and finishing is also not among what top teams like Chelsea or Man U could deliver, so drawing games like that is hardly surprising. They'll prob do 5th or 6th spot at best.
Title: Gorgeousness
Post by: SiriuslyCold on April 08, 2010, 12:45
(http://lfcglobe.com/images/lfc_homeshirt_201012.jpg)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Pingu on April 08, 2010, 13:32
nice outline...

Torres?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on April 09, 2010, 04:59
Fernanda's ;)

If not for ManU's hiccup last night I wouldn't have felt nervous at 3-1 against Benfica 
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dude on April 09, 2010, 16:16
Nice result, but it shouldn't take away the disappointment of a very bad league campaign..
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: jerms on April 09, 2010, 16:25
cmon rafa pls win this cup!
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on April 09, 2010, 20:18
this is great news!

Reina signs six-year Anfield deal
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=768210&sec=england&cc=3888

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on April 09, 2010, 20:34
Reina's a vampire goalie
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on April 10, 2010, 10:42
while my heart feels tat Europa silverware is possibly within reach now, my head thinks that 4th EPL posn is still the top order - regrettably the reach is getting further. 5 more league games, hopefully the others will start dropping points  ;)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: j45yip on April 15, 2010, 06:56
RIP 96 YNWA
Title: Liverpool Up for Sales
Post by: Luv4nature on April 16, 2010, 20:15
Pool finally put up for sale

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_sports/view/1050582/1/.html
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: j45yip on April 16, 2010, 21:06
...the best news for the last 4 years...

Interview with the new Chairman (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7DTZTep37M)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on April 20, 2010, 07:27
Rafa: Liverpool expectations were too high
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=773652&cc=4716

wtf Rafa... we ended last season 2nd playing some great football so we should expect what, exactly?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on April 20, 2010, 19:38
tsk...tsk...sigh.....he has never been honest to himself.

get Jose please.......we need the Special One!
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on April 22, 2010, 10:59
read Lucas' twitter feed (http://twitter.com/LucasLeiva21)

ROFLMAO!!
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on April 22, 2010, 11:28
No access to it in CH bro...care to share?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: jerms on April 22, 2010, 11:50
No access to it in CH bro...care to share?

"Someones clogged the toilet up. Rafa has a guilty look. Must have been his beer poo earlier on. Stevie says he saw Dirk sniffing the seat."
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on April 22, 2010, 11:55
more Lucas..

Quiet enough to go to sleep now. Dreaming about scoring at the Vicente Calderón. I'd be quite happy with several passes back to Jamie though
about 3 hours ago via web

Don't know who brought the football on board, Masch has started repeatedly trying to slide tackle it. Like a bull to a red cloth...
about 3 hours ago via web

All settled down. Aqua is sleeping with one eye open (not sure he can help it), Stevie is listening to some Meat Loaf and Degen is limping.
about 3 hours ago via web

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on May 05, 2010, 10:43

The association with Juve, denials by agent, postponement of meeting with new chairman, constant uncertainty (if there was ever such a oxymoron term but definitely applicable in this case with the crap owners)...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on May 06, 2010, 10:16
Actually the American owners would be more desperate to sell the club now than before, due to pool not able to qualify for next season's ECL, the immediate cash inflow would be a problem, and compounded by their creditor's pressure on debt.... they probably would need to have their foot on the ground agreeing to a more practical price tag for sale.

Pool now needs a more muscular and commited new owner, to retain Torres, replace Rafa and inject funds for all the needy restructuring activities.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on May 07, 2010, 14:51
but tis guy 打死也不走!!!  The Special One ought to come, but he will expect lots of funds to play with. But no one is injecting funds into this ship sinking club lei..... :-\ For sure,the club will 做古 if Torres and Stevie are sold to inject funds. and then we can start worrying about Coca-Coca League after 2010/11 season  :o

Pete Crouch must be a happy player next season - having to play in Champions league, provided they make it thru the qualifying round. Remember that Everton crashed out almost instaneously when they celebrated their stink at Champions League qualifying  ;D

.... replace Rafa....
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on May 07, 2010, 16:35
I'm not sure if that was a well crafted pun or a simple spelling mistake

;)

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on May 09, 2010, 22:46
Malignant Cancers and Sticking Plasters
Paul Tomkins

For me, complaining about the manager is like being concerned with a splinter while suffering from cancer. The cancer is what needs excising.

But the trouble with cancer is that not only does it spread, it affects the body as a whole. Even seemingly unrelated physical problems trace back to the underlying disease.

(full article (http://tomkinstimes.com/2010/05/malignant-cancers-and-sticking-plasters/))
Title: Bye Bye Rafa
Post by: Pingu on June 04, 2010, 00:55
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jun/03/rafael-benitez-leaves-liverpool



its finally happened. 
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on June 04, 2010, 01:11

Thanks for the memories Rafa.... YNWA.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: jerms on June 04, 2010, 03:51
oh shoot.

this means it can only get better for the damm scouse.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on June 04, 2010, 09:30
If Inter really takes him IN, OH..OH.....from treble to DUST. My condolence  8)

As for REDS, given the current financial situation and the more likely Torres & Stevie will leave (or sold), I am DISHEARTENED. Guess it will be another 2-3 seasons of team rebuilding. Unless, Guus Hiddink is the new manager  ;D  But please no Roy Hodgson...... :-X
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on June 04, 2010, 15:46
Roy wouldn't be too bad - he, like Hiddink is known for taking small~ish national teams to the World Cup and doing decently.


anyhow, thanks for the memories Rafa - YNWA
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dsj88 on June 04, 2010, 15:52
good bloody riddance. You overstayed your welcome Rafa. Forgot to add. He can now take his stupid little pencil he writes in his notebook with during the matches and stick it up his ass where it belongs. No doubt we will have to bear the pain of rebuilding but better late than never
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: landis on June 04, 2010, 16:07
anyhow, thanks for the memories Rafa - YNWA

YNWA - You'll Never Walk Alone/You'll Never Work Again/You'll Never Win Anything ? ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: silencer13 on June 04, 2010, 16:10
YNWA - You'll Never Walk Alone/You'll Never Work Again/You'll Never Win Anything ? ;D

LOL!
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Pingu on June 04, 2010, 17:12
was beginning to find all this YNWA thiing pretty tiresome...

Thanks Landis!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on June 05, 2010, 00:15
was beginning to find all this YNWA thiing pretty tiresome...

Thanks Landis!  ;D ;D

Masochistic to read a thread not related to your club and yet complain?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Pingu on June 05, 2010, 00:30
Masochistic to read a thread not related to your club and yet complain?

dont so angry la... :)

I think its impossible to follow the EPL and not get involved in Liverpool talk. The club has fallen so low its incredible...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: j45yip on June 05, 2010, 11:26
...hi all, i'm usually a lurker when it come to this football forum discussion becos it's a religion to some and things can get ugly  :)

well, not so incredible compared to the one-time giant and premier league champion, leeds utd and 7th is not the lowest position LFC has finished. but that's ok becos i believe LFC will bounces back eventually. a little setback gives the club some colour and history. anyone who had followed the club for the past few seasons would have known that the problem at the club isn't the manager alone. owners that are only interested in milking the club, manager with some questionable buys and decision on the field and player's consistancy. no doubt it's going to take a bit of hard work but LFC will come back.
maybe rafa leaving is the start but the club needs new owners that REALLY wants to bring the club forward. no one person is bigger than the club itself.

remember, no club will stay on top forever. there will be a point in time where things will change maybe not in our lifetime.

dont so angry la... :)

I think its impossible to follow the EPL and not get involved in Liverpool talk. The club has fallen so low its incredible...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on June 05, 2010, 12:46

Pingyu - sticks and stones... come on you can do better than stoop low when caught out. If one can get angry over such trivial playground stuff then  :-X

Landis - boredom does drive some to juvenile post when hidden behind a computer to get a reaction but to each his own lah.

As for Liverpool...j45yip is right. Sh*t happens and it is not as if Rafa's reign was barren and nothing came out of it. I'm a glass half empty guy and the Istanbul and FA Cup nights he gave the supporters was worth something. Not even going to compare against what other clubs won or not for the past five years. For those whose clubs did, well done and enjoy the satisfaction. For those who did not, it is by no means less satisfying, otherwise where would you find another 19 clubs to play with the winner if all the losers are sore. Or those who are relegated and return.

YNWA as far as I am concern for Liverpool.  ;)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: yellowhandman on June 05, 2010, 12:59
What I feel Liverpool fans fail to appreciate is that Rafa's initial success - with a team that he had very much inherited from his predecessor - led him to believe that he was always right.

From my outside point of view, it seemed that sometimes he was more interested in proving that he was right, than actually doing what was best for the team. Hence he stuck with inexplicable choices like yo-yoing Benayoun in and out of the lineup regardless of how well he was playing.

Another bad habit he seemed to have was buying players, then playing them out of position or not playing them at all - as if he had not thought out properly what he was going to do with them before buying. Aquilani was just the latest example of this trait. And his stubbornness compounded the problem 'cuz he would stick with players that clearly couldn't make it, expecting them to prove him right.

Although as a United fan it has been fun watching Liverpool's decline in the last season, there's also an objective football fan in me who thinks it is sad what has happened to Liverpool. My humble non-fan opinion is that Rafa is as much to blame as the owners - maybe that's because I'm able to separate his early achievements (which, since I'm not a fan, don't carry any happy memories) from how bad he has been in the past year.

Even in the season before, when Liverpool finished 2nd, I remember fans complaining that he was too conservative. I think those criticisms were right - if he had been more adventurous, Liverpool might even have pipped United for the championship back then.

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Pingu on June 05, 2010, 13:24
Pingyu - sticks and stones... come on you can do better than stoop low when caught out. If one can get angry over such trivial playground stuff then  :-X

YNWA as far as I am concern for Liverpool.  ;)

Hey, chill out man, was just a light-hearted comment. After all, you chose to respond to my post, it wasnt the other way round. :P

Anyway, the manager effectively gets the sack. And everyone, even the sacked fella, comes out with the YNWA thing. Who is he walking with then? His assistants? The club physio's wife? Isnt somebody walking alone somewhere in that whole lot?

Also, my reference to 'incredible low" was not to the 7th place finish. Frankly that's really no big deal, not even to Liverpool. I was really referring to all that negative news coming out in the press. With the current owners, the current debt, the players, it does look bleak.

(I wonder, if the current owners finally leave, will they at least be walking alone?  No? Must be a scouse thing I suppose...:P)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Pingu on June 05, 2010, 13:48
What I feel Liverpool fans fail to appreciate is that Rafa's initial success - with a team that he had very much inherited from his predecessor - led him to believe that he was always right.

What many (not all) Liverpool fans really fail to appreciate is how incrediblly lucky (to the point of being flukey) the initial successes were. Unfortunately you cant quite fluke a league win after 38 games. You need a winning game plan. Rafa's was always an avoid defeat plan.


Even in the season before, when Liverpool finished 2nd, I remember fans complaining that he was too conservative. I think those criticisms were right - if he had been more adventurous, Liverpool might even have pipped United for the championship back then.

Ya, everyone remembers the 4-1 mauling of ManU at OT, But what about the 1-1 draw at the Emirates? Fabregas had gone out injured. Adebayor was sent off. And Liverpool fail to seize the initiative and hang on for a draw against a rampant 10-man Arsenal. I remember posting then that this game shows why Liverpool will never win the league...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: j45yip on June 05, 2010, 15:44
hi YHM,

i find your views very objective and do agree with most of your post. However, the team that played in the final are a mix of his own and GH's. i think all LFC fans do appreciate what he did in istanbul.

With the squad he had last season and the questionable buys he did, playing players out of position is inevitable. like in the previous season, being too cautious and playing not to lose ended up with too many draws dropping too many points.

i hope we can learn from this and have a better campaign next season.

What I feel Liverpool fans fail to appreciate is that Rafa's initial success - with a team that he had very much inherited from his predecessor - led him to believe that he was always right.

From my outside point of view, it seemed that sometimes he was more interested in proving that he was right, than actually doing what was best for the team. Hence he stuck with inexplicable choices like yo-yoing Benayoun in and out of the lineup regardless of how well he was playing.

Another bad habit he seemed to have was buying players, then playing them out of position or not playing them at all - as if he had not thought out properly what he was going to do with them before buying. Aquilani was just the latest example of this trait. And his stubbornness compounded the problem 'cuz he would stick with players that clearly couldn't make it, expecting them to prove him right.

Although as a United fan it has been fun watching Liverpool's decline in the last season, there's also an objective football fan in me who thinks it is sad what has happened to Liverpool. My humble non-fan opinion is that Rafa is as much to blame as the owners - maybe that's because I'm able to separate his early achievements (which, since I'm not a fan, don't carry any happy memories) from how bad he has been in the past year.

Even in the season before, when Liverpool finished 2nd, I remember fans complaining that he was too conservative. I think those criticisms were right - if he had been more adventurous, Liverpool might even have pipped United for the championship back then.


Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: j45yip on June 05, 2010, 16:10
...istanbul is luck and a fluke?  :) yeah who can forget the 4-1 scoreline. is that a fluke as well? so, in another word, you're saying no team should have a problem beating a 9-men team?

What many (not all) Liverpool fans really fail to appreciate is how incrediblly lucky (to the point of being flukey) the initial successes were. Unfortunately you cant quite fluke a league win after 38 games. You need a winning game plan. Rafa's was always an avoid defeat plan.

Ya, everyone remembers the 4-1 mauling of ManU at OT, But what about the 1-1 draw at the Emirates? Fabregas had gone out injured. Adebayor was sent off. And Liverpool fail to seize the initiative and hang on for a draw against a rampant 10-man Arsenal. I remember posting then that this game shows why Liverpool will never win the league...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on June 05, 2010, 17:11
Hey, chill out man, was just a light-hearted comment. After all, you chose to respond to my post, it wasnt the other way round. :P

Anyway, the manager effectively gets the sack. And everyone, even the sacked fella, comes out with the YNWA thing. Who is he walking with then? His assistants? The club physio's wife? Isnt somebody walking alone somewhere in that whole lot?

Also, my reference to 'incredible low" was not to the 7th place finish. Frankly that's really no big deal, not even to Liverpool. I was really referring to all that negative news coming out in the press. With the current owners, the current debt, the players, it does look bleak.

(I wonder, if the current owners finally leave, will they at least be walking alone?  No? Must be a scouse thing I suppose...:P)

No need to chill as I am not even remotely anywhere near having a temperature lah.

If I have to point out to you about the raison d'etre of YNWA...obviously you are never going to get it. Unless you are miffed there isn't an equivalent when you need to express it supporting the Gunners' cupboard full of trophies and titles the past few years?

As for it being fluke winning in Istanbul...let's just not forget Liverpool also made the finals in 2007. So what if it was a knockout system and I hate to point out the obvious but did Arsene get anywhere near in a 3yr spell in the same competition? Granted Rafa's tactics and nous in the EPL could not match what he achieved with Valencia in La Liga but one has to give him his dues. Cannot say that for managers who waltz in and out of clubs but have nothing to show.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Pingu on June 05, 2010, 23:01


If I have to point out to you about the raison d'etre of YNWA...obviously you are never going to get it. Unless you are miffed there isn't an equivalent when you need to express it supporting the Gunners' cupboard full of trophies and titles the past few years?

As for it being fluke winning in Istanbul...let's just not forget Liverpool also made the finals in 2007. So what if it was a knockout system and I hate to point out the obvious but did Arsene get anywhere near in a 3yr spell in the same competition? Granted Rafa's tactics and nous in the EPL could not match what he achieved with Valencia in La Liga but one has to give him his dues. Cannot say that for managers who waltz in and out of clubs but have nothing to show.


Yes, Arsenal have had an even longer barren spell. No, we dont need any corny expression to console ourselves over this. But yes, it is very very frustrating. But Wenger and the board's management of the team and club is very very different. So, despite all the venting and tearing, we do have to recognise the general soundness of their methods and beliefs. I doubt anyone can say the same for Benitez or for LFC... With Benitez gone perhaps there will be a change, I hope.

As for that win in Istanbul, if you and other Liverpool fans truly believe it wasnt flukey or even lucky, well, all I can say is the victors deserve all the revisionist history they can write....
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on June 05, 2010, 23:09
You seem utterly peeved the Gunners did not have much progress in the CL to keep knocking the Istanbul incident. Sad case really. Like I say...sticks and stones... to have to resort to labeling something close to Liverpool as "corny" just goes to show...what can I say.

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on June 05, 2010, 23:16

On another note came across this article that says it as it is rather than the bandwagon jumping media stories...

Rafa Benitez leaves Liverpool as a legend so could critics please stop rewriting history? (http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/columnists/brian-reade/Why-Rafa-Benitez-leaves-Liverpool-as-a-legend-not-the-failure-his-history-rewriting-critics-insist-The-Brian-Reade-Column-article448527.html)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Pingu on June 05, 2010, 23:18
You seem utterly peeved Le Arse did not have much progress in the CL to keep knocking the Istanbul incident. Sad case really.


Sad alright, wish the Arse had that kind of fluke/luck too. But if it was merely a case of sour grapes, I should be knocking the 4 earlier wins too, no? Or perhaps you cant quite recall them? ;)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: yellowhandman on June 06, 2010, 09:24
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/liverpool/7805876/Sven-Goran-Eriksson-it-would-be-a-dream-to-manage-Liverpool.html

The con-manager Sven says he'd like to manage Liverpool...

I VOTE FOR HIM!  ;D

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: j45yip on June 06, 2010, 09:52
...of course you would  :) for me, i would like to see king kenny back at the throne again. hopefully, his presence would stabilize the club at this point of time...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/liverpool/7805876/Sven-Goran-Eriksson-it-would-be-a-dream-to-manage-Liverpool.html

The con-manager Sven says he'd like to manage Liverpool...

I VOTE FOR HIM!  ;D


Title: Spurs boss emerges as shock contender for Anfield hotseat
Post by: cn9601 on June 06, 2010, 10:07
hmmm.....he could be a good choice, esp. as a bid to win EPL. Given the 'blood deep' relationship btw him and Dalglish, Redknapp might be the ONE afterall. I will WELCOME him. And hopefully Torres and Stevie wont be sold...... 8)

Reds plan Redknapp swoop
Spurs boss emerges as shock contender for Anfield hotseat
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6192473,00.html
Title: Re: Spurs boss emerges as shock contender for Anfield hotseat
Post by: j45yip on June 06, 2010, 10:25
...no disrespect to HR but he don't have european pedigree. well, not yet if you consider spurs still needs to go through the qualifying stage of the UCL. he's good at keeping club from relegation but winning the league title? i'm not so sure...
 
i don't think the duo will go for now. however, the club must qualify for UCL next season to keep them  :)

hmmm.....he could be a good choice, esp. as a bid to win EPL. Given the 'blood deep' relationship btw him and Dalglish, Redknapp might be the ONE afterall. I will WELCOME him. And hopefully Torres and Stevie wont be sold...... 8)

Reds plan Redknapp swoop
Spurs boss emerges as shock contender for Anfield hotseat
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6192473,00.html
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on June 06, 2010, 10:54
Sad alright, wish the Arse had that kind of fluke/luck too. But if it was merely a case of sour grapes, I should be knocking the 4 earlier wins too, no? Or perhaps you cant quite recall them? ;)

Short memory huh. No disrespect to Arsenal nor their other supporters but I suppose your League win in '89 on the last game was without an element of luck and won with flowing football?

If the CL was won in one game then one can probably toss a coin over it but wins over some major clubs en route to the title does not make it lucky. And why yes, Istanbul was number 5. Could have been 6 in 2007 but lost to a better team then.

Just a real sourpuss who cannot get over it. You are beginning to sound like Wenger when he loses.  ;)

edit: typo, meant '89
Title: Re: Spurs boss emerges as shock contender for Anfield hotseat
Post by: lewlian on June 06, 2010, 11:03
...no disrespect to HR but he don't have european pedigree. well, not yet if you consider spurs still needs to go through the qualifying stage of the UCL. he's good at keeping club from relegation but winning the league title? i'm not so sure...
 
i don't think the duo will go for now. however, the club must qualify for UCL next season to keep them  :)


I am optimistic but I wish I have your level of optimism there. Winning the league now is even more remote than before what with the nonsense coming out from the club and the fiasco with the owners. Which manager would dare to step into Liverpool now with so many things unclear i.e. when will the owners change, what is the transfer budget, when is the new stadium ever going to be built and trying to manage existing players/scout for new ones.

Thing is it is not as simple as getting a new manager in and hoping for the best anymore. They now come with their own entourage of assistants, scouts, backroom staff etc and the infrastructure will take time to be re-established. In this day and age that means money and where is it going to come from for Liverpool? We are not a Chelski with a billionaire bank-rolling the club. Even Man City with its petrol dollars was not successful after changing managers just to cite an example.

Getting back into the top 4 now would already be something of an achievement for any new manager esp with 5-6 other contenders now.
Title: Re: Spurs boss emerges as shock contender for Anfield hotseat
Post by: yellowhandman on June 06, 2010, 11:12
...no disrespect to HR but he don't have european pedigree.

No disrespect to Liverpool, but European pedigree hardly seems a relevant qualification to manage a team that is only in the Europa League this season...your priority would surely be to at least get back into the Champions' League, and that's something that Harry managed to do last season with Spurs...

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Pingu on June 06, 2010, 11:43
Short memory huh. No disrespect to Arsenal nor their other supporters but I suppose your League win in '98 on the last game was without an element of luck and won with flowing football?

If the CL was won in one game then one can probably toss a coin over it but wins over some major clubs en route to the title does not make it lucky. And why yes, Istanbul was number 5. Could have been 6 in 2007 but lost to a better team then.

Just a real sourpuss who cannot get over it. You are beginning to sound like Wenger when he loses.  ;)


Hmm, my memory must be short.. I seem to recall Le Arse winning the league in 98 with 2 games to spare, with a 4-0 home rout of Everton. The final 2 games were a 4-0 loss to Liverpool (cough.. cough!) and 1-0 loss to Villa... Perhaps they were lucky to lose those games by only 5 goals... :P

Anyway, I've never denied the role luck plays in success and failure, in sports and elsewhere. You need plenty of hard work, effort AND luck too.

"wins over some major clubs" did include a 'lucky' goal against Chelsea iirc.

And 2005 could have been already 6 if not for Heysel and that 'unlucky' penalty award to Juve.

Get my point?

And,no I'm no sourpuss, just a realist who sees and calls things as it is, whether its the Arse or someone else.

(I mean, does anyone know any Arsenal fan who claims that the 2005 Cup Final win was well and truly deserved?)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Pingu on June 06, 2010, 12:10
Harry Redknapp for Liverpool.

I can't believe that people are actually debating this possibility... ::)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on June 06, 2010, 12:25
Harry Redknapp for Liverpool.

I can't believe that people are actually debating this possibility... ::)

Me either... welcome back Peter Crouch and David James *grrr*

Title: Re: Spurs boss emerges as shock contender for Anfield hotseat
Post by: j45yip on June 06, 2010, 12:36
...true but what's next after qualification for ucl? change manager? let's see how harry does with spurs in europe next season if he decide to stay.

No disrespect to Liverpool, but European pedigree hardly seems a relevant qualification to manage a team that is only in the Europa League this season...your priority would surely be to at least get back into the Champions' League, and that's something that Harry managed to do last season with Spurs...


Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Pingu on June 06, 2010, 12:52
But seriously, is Sven so bad?

He did do reasonably well with England. He did win the Serie A with unfashionable Lazio...
Title: Re: Spurs boss emerges as shock contender for Anfield hotseat
Post by: yellowhandman on June 06, 2010, 12:55
...true but what's next after qualification for ucl? change manager? let's see how harry does with spurs in europe next season if he decide to stay.


I think you should qualify for ECL first, then worry about what comes after...don't jump the gun  :D

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on June 06, 2010, 13:38

Hmm, my memory must be short.. I seem to recall Le Arse winning the league in 98 with 2 games to spare, with a 4-0 home rout of Everton. The final 2 games were a 4-0 loss to Liverpool (cough.. cough!) and 1-0 loss to Villa... Perhaps they were lucky to lose those games by only 5 goals... :P

Anyway, I've never denied the role luck plays in success and failure, in sports and elsewhere. You need plenty of hard work, effort AND luck too.

"wins over some major clubs" did include a 'lucky' goal against Chelsea iirc.

And 2005 could have been already 6 if not for Heysel and that 'unlucky' penalty award to Juve.

Get my point?

And,no I'm no sourpuss, just a realist who sees and calls things as it is, whether its the Arse or someone else.

(I mean, does anyone know any Arsenal fan who claims that the 2005 Cup Final win was well and truly deserved?)

And Liverpool just waltzed through every round without any work needed and just pure luck? How illogical can the argument get? It is a league cum KO tournament of its own if you happen to forget. Maybe all the past World Cup winners were lucky and won without hard work going by your train of thought.

I suppose only Arsenal work hard, play nice but due to lack of luck do not win. Gimme a break lah. Sometimes in a match a team gets lucky, other times they make their luck. So Grobbelaar's antics at the penalty shootout vs Roma in '84 for #4 was also luck then.  ::)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Pingu on June 06, 2010, 13:59
The argument is illogical only because it's all yours and not mine. Who is actually saying Liverpool 'waltzed' throught every round? You? It certainly wasnt me.

Why do you bother to respond to a post when you clearly cannot be bothered to read or understand what it says?

(Isnt there something better to do on a Sunday in China than arguing with one's own arguments?... :P)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on June 06, 2010, 22:23

So goes the pot calling the kettle black... :-X

You should know to MYOB.  ::)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Pingu on June 06, 2010, 22:53
So goes the pot calling the kettle black... :-X

You should know to MYOB.  ::)

I suppose that passes for intelligent response in your neck of the woods... So be it.

Good night!

(now finding myself wishing Rafa hadnt walked. Alone or otherwise... :P)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dude on June 07, 2010, 09:08
It's only because Liverpool have always had very high standards that the current situation looks very bad.

We are paying for our own success, really.

We won the Champs League in Rafa's first year when we should not have.

We won the FA Cup the year after that, when we shouldn't have.

We reached the Champs League Final again to make it 2 Finals in 3 years, when we shouldn't have.

Sure, we missed out on the League, which is the one title we want, coming in 2nd.

By many other clubs standards, we probably look quite good. But by our own standards, we are in bad shape.

So yes, I agree that we have fallen....by our own lofty standards...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Pingu on June 07, 2010, 09:24
It's only because Liverpool have always had very high standards that the current situation looks very bad.

By many other clubs standards, we probably look quite good. But by our own standards, we are in bad shape.

So yes, I agree that we have fallen....by our own lofty standards...

True. Liverpool FC are still the best British club ever. ManU can only dream of taking that mantle if they have a successful succession after Ferguson...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on June 07, 2010, 12:24
Adoi!  Don't read XP over the weekend and I find that I've missed the handbags at 10 paces at the XP Corral...  ;)

well, not so incredible compared to the one-time giant and premier league champion, leeds utd and 7th is not the lowest position LFC has finished. but that's ok becos i believe LFC will bounces back eventually.

Just to nitpick, Leeds never won the Premier League in its current form, they won the last "old Division One" in 1992.  And whether Leeds are a true "giant" or a mere flash in the 70s (and once in the 90s) is debateable: they only ever won 3 titles, the same as other "giants" such as Huddersfield (who dey?), Wolves (barely avoided relegation) and (woah!) Blackburn.

True. Liverpool FC are still the best British club ever. ManU can only dream of taking that mantle if they have a successful succession after Ferguson...

Depends on your definition of "best".  ManYoo may pass Liverpool's haul of 18 titles next season, after all.  Don't get me wrong, I have always had a grudging respect for Liverpool yet loathed the Moaners, even when they weren't reeling off title wins, but you can't argue with "most titles". 

I must say I agree with Dude's post.  7th is a disaster for Liverpool, but imagine how pleased Brum would be to do so.  Just as the T*tts celebrated 4th place like it was winning something, whilst the Gooners are moaning about the disappointment of 3rd...  (sorry, obligatory dig)

Svennis would be a disaster for Liverpool.  As would 'Arry "he's got a twitch" Redknapp.  Neither of them has the ability to manage well with a tight budget, which is the problem these days at Anfield.  Ironically, the one man who's proven he can do it reasonably well, is at Ashburton Grove...

(and before all you T*tts start going "what about his record at Southampton, Portsmouth, Bournemouth etc, all those clubs ultimately wound up in administration.  'Nuff said.  At least Svennis managed some minor miracles with Gothenburg, but that was over 20 years ago.)

And finally, yes 1989 was a bit of luck, but ironically it was due to similar tactics employed by King Kenny on that night as Rafa did against Arsenal more recently: Liverpool clearly set out to avoid a 2-0 loss, and even at 1-0 down showed little adventure, allowing Arsenal to nick it at the end.  And don't forget, it wasn't just settled on points, or even goal difference, but on goals scored over the entire season, and Arsenal had scored more.  No fluke in scoring more goals against your opponents.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: freddyhappy on June 07, 2010, 12:46
whilst the Gooners are moaning about the disappointment of 3rd...  (sorry, obligatory dig)

I believe before the last season start, a lot of Gooners fans would take 3rd with smile, there was even fear dropping out of top four then.

Perhaps for liverpool finishing 2nd in the previous season and rising of Man City while Man Utd and Chelsea are always certain a place in top four has given some scare to Gooners fans.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on June 07, 2010, 13:55
I believe before the last season start, a lot of Gooners fans would take 3rd with smile, there was even fear dropping out of top four then.

Perhaps for liverpool finishing 2nd in the previous season and rising of Man City while Man Utd and Chelsea are always certain a place in top four has given some scare to Gooners fans.

That's true, but after actually topping the table at one point, keeping pace for most of the season and seriously challenging for the title till April, falling away like that at the end was a bit disappointing.

It's all about expectations, eh?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Pingu on June 07, 2010, 14:02
Depends on your definition of "best".  ManYoo may pass Liverpool's haul of 18 titles next season, after all.  Don't get me wrong, I have always had a grudging respect for Liverpool yet loathed the Moaners, even when they weren't reeling off title wins, but you can't argue with "most titles". 

But one can try.. ;D 

For me, somehow, these days of chequebook football and titles is not quite the same as the good old days. Liverpool titles were spread out over a longer period. They were achieved with different players and teams. And successive managers. Take away the EPL and its newfound popularity and riches, and Fergie (the best manager ever) ManU's record dont look so great.

(Oh great, gone and stepped on another pile of sh*t again... :-X)


Speaking of 89, yes, that goal by Campbell at the death owed as much to luck as any skill and gameplan by Graham. I read somewhere Fergie saying he was shouting at the telly at Lukic "you f***king bas***d!" when he threw the ball out instead of kicking it upfield into the Liverpool box. Who knows what might have happened if Lukic had indeed done that? I suppose it was just the footballing gods having some fun... ;D

(see. we gooners have no issues with admitting that Arsenal have been lucky (or unlucky  :() in games...)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on June 07, 2010, 15:26
Speaking of 89, yes, that goal by Campbell at the death owed as much to luck as any skill and gameplan by Graham. I read somewhere Fergie saying he was shouting at the telly at Lukic "you f***king bas***d!" when he threw the ball out instead of kicking it upfield into the Liverpool box. Who knows what might have happened if Lukic had indeed done that? I suppose it was just the footballing gods having some fun... ;D

Campbell??  ???

It was Mickey Thomas, who infamously joined Liverpool about two seasons later, and naturally got plenty of stick in the Anfield dressing room from those who were still around from that night.

I must admit I had the same reaction when Lukic threw the ball out instead of punting it.  But he was absolutely right to do so, as it turns out.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Pingu on June 07, 2010, 16:15
Oops! Yup it was Michael Thomas.

Old but what pleasant memories..    :) Still can recall the commentator's words just before Thomas scored: "its all up for grabs now"

(Of course, another take to that little tale is Fergies' love for Liverpool even back than... ;))
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Pingu on June 07, 2010, 16:33
I think about time I got off this thread...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on June 08, 2010, 09:09
aww, the world cup hasn't started yet
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on June 08, 2010, 14:26

My bringing up of '89 was just to cite the point about luck being used to describe the '05 CL win. There are obviously different opinions as to the win so obviously I had mine. In fact when it is done and dusted the record will show who won.

It just doesn't sit well with some of Wenger's followers that luck is "never" with them.

SC - as for WC2010, there are more appropriate threads.  ;)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on June 08, 2010, 15:06
My bringing up of '89 was just to cite the point about luck being used to describe the '05 CL win. There are obviously different opinions as to the win so obviously I had mine. In fact when it is done and dusted the record will show who won.

Just as, to address the issue of FAC 2005 which was mentioned somewhere, notwithstanding that Arsenal played negative football (for once) and just stifled ManYoo, the record shows that Arsenal won it.

Quote
It just doesn't sit well with some of Wenger's followers that luck is "never" with them.

Swings and roundabouts, I suppose.  But I think we can all agree that ManYoo's luck is such that Fergie must have sold his soul to the devil...  ;D

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dude on June 09, 2010, 14:07
Actually, is the current squad that bad? I don't think so.

There are some positions which could have a bit more quality, sure, but with a shrewd tatician, and good man-manager, I don't see why we can't be back challenging for 2nd.

Yes, 2nd. We are still someways away from challenging for the title. Maybe a good transitional 2010-2011, with the finances restored, will see us challenging for the title in 2011-2012.

The problem may have been with Rafa was playing players out of position and a defence-first strategy. Another coach who is more attack-minded, and who chooses players based on their natural position may do better.

And about the debt, yes, 350+ Mil is bad, but not as bad as the amt that the Glazers have saddled on Man U. Of course, for the potential new owners at Anfield, there is still the cost of the stadium to be added to their investment..

So, we may need to stay at Anfield for another couple of years, while we get the playing side of things sorted out. Which is fine by me...gives me more time to save up, and hopefully watch a match at Anfield before it is demolished...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Pingu on June 09, 2010, 16:14
Actually, is the current squad that bad? I don't think so.


Since you brought this up... Check out the latest F365 mailbox. Someone has written pointing out that every member of Liverpool's 1st team is representing his country at the World Cup. Including the sub. And we are not talking of players in the South African team or something. He asks whether any other club has such a representation. Whaddya think?

(disclaimer: I've not verified the above!!)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on June 09, 2010, 17:53
Since you brought this up... Check out the latest F365 mailbox. Someone has written pointing out that every member of Liverpool's 1st team is representing his country at the World Cup. Including the sub.

List of EPL players at World Cup 2010:-

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/worldcup2010/article-1283981/WORLD-CUP-2010-The-Premier-League-leads-way-South-Africa-Sportsmails-club-club-guide-106-stars-heading-World-Cup.html

I can't say I know who is in the first XI or not, so we'll have to ask Scousers to verify their own, and the fans of the other clubs to have a look at their lists.  But offhand, I'd say Kyrgiakos and Babel aren't exactly first XI for Liverpool, although their mix is such that they can indeed field a feasible XI out of their WC2010 reps. 

Chelski can't only because the Czechs didn't make it, otherwise Cech would be first choice for his country.  Which points out the randomness of such a comparison, it all depends on whether a correct combination of countries qualified.  For a different reason, ManYoo can't field a complete XI, because van der Sar retired from internationals, and refused to come back even though the coach asked him to.

Arsenal's keepers aren't international quality (even if Flappy nominally is, but Poland didn't qualify anyway), but otherwise a pretty decent 4-3-3 which is reasonably close to the first XI can be fielded out of those at WC2010.  I read in some other article that Arsenal's 15 reps at WC2006 is the record for one club's participation, and I suppose Chelski would have beaten it but for Ballack and Essien getting crocked (and now Drogba).  It would be some achievement if some day a club could provide an entire 23-man squad out of its ranks, but with the new EPL restrictions on and emphasis on 'home-grown' players, that seems unlikely.

As another aside, England, Germany and Italy have squads where all 23 players play in their domestic leagues, i.e. no foreign-based players.  Again, an 'accident' because Beckham and Ballack got crocked, but for the Italians it seems quite typical -- I seem to remember in 2006 they also had an all-home team. 
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dude on June 09, 2010, 18:35
I've not seen the list, will do so later...

But to me a player good enough for his country, does not mean that he is good enough at club level to be in First 11 of a top team. It could be that his country does not have that many top quality players.

For example, during Ian Rush's time, Southall was a great keeper, and besides, Rush, think Kevin Radcliff was Welsh too. But the rest of the squad was not good enough, so, if I recall, Rush never played at the World Cup.

Same for Giggs, I think...the rest of the squad was just not good enough...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Pingu on June 10, 2010, 00:11
But to me a player good enough for his country, does not mean that he is good enough at club level to be in First 11 of a top team.

Yup, I dont think that lot is good enough to be Liverpool's first 11. Only one defensive midfielder in there... :P
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on June 10, 2010, 09:49
I've not seen the list, will do so later...

But to me a player good enough for his country, does not mean that he is good enough at club level to be in First 11 of a top team. It could be that his country does not have that many top quality players.

For example, during Ian Rush's time, Southall was a great keeper, and besides, Rush, think Kevin Radcliff was Welsh too. But the rest of the squad was not good enough, so, if I recall, Rush never played at the World Cup.

Same for Giggs, I think...the rest of the squad was just not good enough...

I agree with your point, but your examples are really the other way around: Rush, Southall and Giggs would have gotten into ANY international squad, and just about any club's first XI.  Today's ST has an article discussing the African countries at WC2010, and it was highlighting how, with Cameroon for instance, aside from Eto'o there are no other really good players, and a World Cup team needs at least 6 or 7 reasonably good players to be able to progress past the group stages. 
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: francis woo on July 01, 2010, 10:42
Roy Hodgson is Liverpool next manager...will it work!!........ :o
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on July 01, 2010, 11:47
Woy...tell him I want Mata and Ozil ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on July 01, 2010, 14:04
He can surely build a more effective squad than RB !
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: francis woo on July 01, 2010, 14:17
Woy...tell him I want Mata and Ozil ;D

Hmm, okay, besides these 2, I will also tell him to get Messi and Iniesta!!...happy?.... ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on July 01, 2010, 17:10
Hmm, okay, besides these 2, I will also tell him to get Messi and Iniesta!!...happy?.... ;D
Oh yeah!
And tell him to get Branson to buy over the club, F1 is not happening for him!
 ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on July 01, 2010, 19:13
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/roy-hodgson-timeline

 ::) :-[  :o :-X

Wat more I can express....sigh.........bye-bye Stevie (to Real Madrid), bye-bye Torres (Barca), bye-bye Mascherano (to Barca or Inter).....


Roy Hodgson is Liverpool next manager...will it work!!........ :o
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: scoobydoo on July 01, 2010, 22:12
u mean to say that they will leave cos roy hodgson is taking over?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on July 02, 2010, 00:07
while it is my hunch, lets face it - it is written on the wall oredi

I think the man knows it also:
New manager Roy Hodgson hopes to convince Steven Gerrard and Fernando Torres that their futures belong at Liverpool, but admits there can be no guarantees.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6240646,00.html

In particular, doubt the man is going to get any funds to buy quality player(s). Worse, he probably gets his funds only if Stevie and/or Torres will be sold  :(

Given England early exit from WC2010 (as expected), I was hoping Capello might be considered. But money-money......it's cheaper to sign Roy than Capello  8) 
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dude on July 02, 2010, 09:20
Obviously money was the problem. There couldn't possibly have been no interest from anyone to manage Liverpool.

With so many resignations from countries who are out of the world cup, aren't any of them good enough? I think the (now former) Mexican coach Aguirre is quite good.

Or is the 2 year contract a stop-gap, until, perhaps, Hiddink's current contract is over?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: scoobydoo on July 02, 2010, 09:29
I am hopeful that Roy Hodgson will be a good choice. We have tried a few foreign managers now, why not go back to getting a English manager. Maybe for once, we will go back to the basics, ie concentrating on the league and not europe, playing the best team every time, and not making substitutions to try win the next game when we are losing the current game...  >:(

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: landis on July 02, 2010, 09:44
Maybe for once, we will go back to the basics, ie concentrating on the league and not europe

Your intentions may be grand but i believe you know it too that the modern day game is all about money. And champions league is where the money is ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: yellowhandman on July 02, 2010, 10:48
Your intentions may be grand but i believe you know it too that the modern day game is all about money. And champions league is where the money is ;D

That's exactly why Liverpool will be concentrating on the Premiership...because they need to get back into the Champions League. But I don't think they will simply ignore the Europa League, as Hodgson would want to try and win any trophy possible in his first year - plus don't forget he managed to get Fulham to the final last year.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: freddyhappy on July 02, 2010, 11:03
But somehow Hodgson does not lead Fulham to a better standing in EPL..... They should go and persuade Hiddick...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: jerms on July 02, 2010, 11:12
LOL

(http://img.skysports.com/08/03/218x298/RoyHodgson_735613.jpg)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on July 02, 2010, 14:12
How very true indeed! Look ard, nowadays u need to get 'quality' players even to compete in domestic league, eg. ELP. Where to get the funds if the club is not playing in those lucrative leagues (eg. Champions League)  :-X   No money = No Torres/Stevie equiv. = the most is oni to stay top 10 in EPL, or worse to avoid relegation......  8)  Unless FIFA foreign players quota is implemented, and the club youth academy works........ otherwise LFC will oways sing YNWA  :-\

Your intentions may be grand but i believe you know it too that the modern day game is all about money. And champions league is where the money is ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dude on July 02, 2010, 15:36
UEFA is already implementing a cap on number of foreign players in their competitions, if not wrong. That was one reason why Rafa bought Johnson, if I recall.

Yes, a huge budget, reputation, and good manager is needed to attract good players. But I think it safe to say that a good manager probably carries slightly more weight compared to the other 2. Because even if you don't have the first 2, a good manager will be able to get the most of the current players in the roster.

And as I posted earlier, I firmly believe that the current roster of players aren't that bad, certainly good enough to challenge for top 4, if they are played according to their natural positions and tactics are right.

I hope to see more of the Liverpool youth players coming through under Woy, and perhaps it is time to sell Gerrard, and give Spearing a chance. By some accounts, he was developing into a player in the mould of Gerrard, but was never really given a run in the senior side under Rafa.

If we can get another $30 to $40m for Gerrard from Real, then let's do a deal. But we should definitely persuade Masch and Torres to stay, as well as Benayoun to link up with Torres. Lest we forget, Aquilani may come good in the coming season, so use the pre-season to work on the understanding between him and Torres, and we will have taken care of that problem.

In the  games towards the end of last season, Aquilani had some good touches and linked up well for a few moves with Torres, so no reason with more playing time, they cannot develop as good an understanding
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: sigurros on July 02, 2010, 15:50
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/media-watch/hodgson-targets-four-signings (http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/media-watch/hodgson-targets-four-signings)

Seems like the new boss has started to work liao...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: silencer13 on July 02, 2010, 16:26
looks like a downgrade to me, except for the van der Vaart signing.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Pingu on July 02, 2010, 17:15

YesIf we can get another $30 to $40m for Gerrard from Real, then let's do a deal. But we should definitely persuade Masch and Torres to stay, as well as Benayoun to link up with Torres.


thought Benayoun gone to Chelsea...?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on July 02, 2010, 17:54
Yeah think chelski bought benni for around 6mil, pity really as I voted him mvp for half a season two seasons back. Last season noone made the grade :P it was like an inverted bell curve ::)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dude on July 02, 2010, 17:55
is it? I thought not confirmed? I don't recall reading about it..
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on July 02, 2010, 18:19
UEFA is already implementing a cap on number of foreign players in their competitions, if not wrong. That was one reason why Rafa bought Johnson, if I recall.

To be pedantic, they are imposing a minimum requirement of "home-grown" players.  It would be illegal under EU law to impose quotas as to foreign (in this context, non-British) players but who are still EU citizens, since any EU citizen has an unlimited right to work anywhere in the EU (roughly). 

So to get around that, the requirement is couched as one of players having been developed by a club in that country for a minimum number of years while they were youths; IIRC at least 3 years before the player turned 21.  This means that teenagers from another country that were signed up early still qualify: for instance, at Arsenal, players like Fabregas, Eboue, Clichy and Bendtner (I think) qualify as "home grown", since they spent quite some time at Arsenal as youths, even though they quite obviously are not British.

Having said that, I can't remember if they still impose a three-maximum "foreigner" (non-EU) rule -- I seem to recall Chelski having some difficulties with it, since they recently had many non-EU players like Drogba (Ivory Coast), Mikel (Nigeria), Shevchenko (Ukraine) and others (South Americans perhaps?) whom I can't remember offhand. 
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: jerms on July 02, 2010, 18:52
let's hope for the best

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/04/29/article-0-010D2A5C00000578-708_468x573.jpg)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on July 02, 2010, 19:10
sorie to sound so mean. But cant help to think that probably he's the only one happy he's @ Anfield  :-\

let's hope for the best
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/04/29/article-0-010D2A5C00000578-708_468x573.jpg)

sorie dude, i think Stevie must stay. But importantly how to reduce the mental dependancy on him (and Torres).......i know it's paper talking. i recall how Arsenal struggles without Vieri and Henry.

hopefully Roy can keep all key players and start rebuilding a team, rather than individuals  8)

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/hodgson-torres-chat-a-priority

'"I want to speak to him face to face and I'm hoping he may return to Spain for a day or two before going on holiday. It could be anywhere, but I'll be there, trying to impress on him why Anfield is the place to be."'
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on July 02, 2010, 19:15
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/we-re-on-target-for-club-sale

Does the club need to sell players to pay off debt?
No it doesn't, I want to be absolutely clear about that because I've heard a lot of rumours. I've said it before and I'll say it again, we have no need to sell any players to pay off the debt.

If we were to sell anyone, then the money would be reinvested in the squad.

Note: If we were to SELL anyone........
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on July 02, 2010, 21:25
http://www.thejc.com/sport/sport-news/33719/benayoun-set-complete-chelsea-switch

...was he brought on to the chelski team by an insider? >:(
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: jerms on July 03, 2010, 02:15
the club's top players might not want to go.

but they need to.

if not, no champions' league football, no exposure, endorsements start to shrink & WAGs get upset.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dude on July 03, 2010, 10:22
To be pedantic, they are imposing a minimum requirement of "home-grown" players.  It would be illegal under EU law to impose quotas as to foreign (in this context, non-British) players but who are still EU citizens, since any EU citizen has an unlimited right to work anywhere in the EU (roughly). 

Thanks, I couldn't really remember the actual requirement.

Well, sad that Benayoun has gone. We don't have a player like him at the mo, if I recall...

@cn9601 - with Gerrard, Rafa was not willing to experiment, and up to last season, there was no reason to do so, since he was playing well. The thing that should be considered - was last season's form a blip, or has he lost it, and wants titles more than being loyal to the club? In 07-08 season, he had an injury-blighted season, but when he did play, he was always dangerous. Last season, he seemed distracted. Was it due to loss of Xabi Alonso? Well, if it was, and if the papers were correct, he had some part to play in that, didn't he? Wasn't he one of those who suggested that they get Gareth Barry? That was a slight to Alonso, and since he wasn't wanted, well...

How do you choose not to play Gerrard? You always feel there is hope with him on the pitch, because of what he potentially can do/has done, so it's not unusual for for managers to continue playing him. So, as a fan, it is hard for me to see Gerrard leave as well, but we should be concerned about keeping a player past his sell-by date.

Someone posted (sorry, can't remember the nick) that we sell Torres and buy 3 or 4 Darren Bents since they can play more often and in total would score the same or more number of goals. Well, for me, the most important thing, besides the total number of goals scored, is when these goals are scored. No point racking up a hat-trick when the team are already 3-0 up. I'd rather have a dependable striker who can score that one goal that makes the difference between winning or drawing...


Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dude on July 03, 2010, 10:32
the club's top players might not want to go.

but they need to.

if not, no champions' league football, no exposure, endorsements start to shrink & WAGs get upset.

Well, hard as it is for us as Reds fans, this is a period for re-building. Will we be mid-table teams from here on? Maybe.

The new powers of English football have emerged - Man City with money, Aston Villa with a good coach (but thin squad), Spurs with an ok coach (who had a lot of luck last year). Everton has remained constant (start slow, come on strong in 2nd half of season). Birmingham (solid, hard to beat, and with asian money in the pocket)

It's hard, but these will be our main competitors, not Man Utd, Chelsea, or Arsenal, for the coming season. Important to keep Torres and Masch, and with Agger and Reina, we can form a spine in the team.
Title: Yossi joins Chelsea
Post by: cn9601 on July 03, 2010, 11:02
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/yossi-joins-chelsea

'A Liverpool spokesman said: "Yossi's departure was agreed between the player and Rafael Benitez a number of weeks ago. Everybody at Liverpool FC wishes him well for the future."'


Hmmm...a few weeks ago....endorsed by Rafa....hmmmm  ??? ::)  Next Stevie (R.Madrid), Torres (to Barca), Mache (to Inter), before end season 09/10, by chairman.... 8)  value of LFC drops.....no new owner willing to pay so much Americanised 'overvalued' club.....Americans continue to destroy the club....then Pepe leaves oso.

Cant wait to see what is the new shape of LFC in the coming weeks or days!  :-\
Title: Re: Yossi joins Chelsea
Post by: dude on July 03, 2010, 11:27
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/yossi-joins-chelsea

'A Liverpool spokesman said: "Yossi's departure was agreed between the player and Rafael Benitez a number of weeks ago. Everybody at Liverpool FC wishes him well for the future."'


Hmmm...a few weeks ago....endorsed by Rafa....hmmmm  ??? ::)  Next Stevie (R.Madrid), Torres (to Barca), Mache (to Inter), before end season 09/10, by chairman.... 8)  value of LFC drops.....no new owner willing to pay so much Americanised 'overvalued' club.....Americans continue to destroy the club....then Pepe leaves oso.

Cant wait to see what is the new shape of LFC in the coming weeks or days!  :-\

Wow, your crystal ball is fantastic...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on July 03, 2010, 22:31
Cant wait to see what is the new shape of LFC in the coming weeks or days!  :-\

it's beginning to look like this
(http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumb_173/1186539500SKt48L.jpg)
Title: Roman jets out for £55m Torres
Post by: freddyhappy on July 06, 2010, 15:55
Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich has flown to South Africa to try to complete the signing of Fernando Torres, with sources telling Soccernet he is willing to pay up to £55 million.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=806287&sec=transfers&cc=4716&campaign=rss&source=soccernet

Good deal for liverpool, bought £20 million, score a lot of crucial goals, sell it at £55 million. I bet the Liverpool American owner is waiting at the bank now to collect the cheque  ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on July 06, 2010, 16:14
 :'(
Title: Re: Roman jets out for £55m Torres
Post by: jerms on July 07, 2010, 02:22
I bet the Liverpool American owner is waiting at the bank now to collect the cheque  ;D

cheque goes to paying bills?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Spunky on July 07, 2010, 10:31
even before selling, some of the $$$ already in RB and Fulham's pockets! :(
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on July 14, 2010, 17:27
He didn't have a good World Cup, but... this is The Best pic you'll see all year (http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/best-pic-you-ll-see-all-year)

(http://assets.liverpoolfc.tv/uploads/assets/ft7.jpg)

In the Spanish dressing room, with a Liverpool scarf? what do you think...

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on July 14, 2010, 19:11
Spain celebration with Reina introducing the team - he's fantastico  :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7ODfbg2YjY&feature=player_embedded
no. 10 - they pull a barca jersey over his head  :o
wonder what they say about Pique is really true

and...the new Liverpool shirt swap  :)
http://www.sportpost.com/video/view/The+New+Liverpool+Shirt+Swap
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: yellowhandman on July 14, 2010, 20:15
Latest report is that Torres tore a thigh muscle in the final...oops. But supposed to be not too bad and he should be back 'early in the season'.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: freddyhappy on July 14, 2010, 23:36
Actually it is a blessing.... Injury mean the transfer is less likely to happen  ;)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Spunky on July 15, 2010, 08:29
but speculation is very unsettling for the team and the manager so sometimes is better to just bite the bullet.

Read SG is priced at GBP58M...woo nia bo??  I'll let him go at anything between 20~30....

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on July 17, 2010, 12:08
Hopefully this (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=809044&sec=transfers&cc=4716) holds true


Roy Hodgson has reiterated that Liverpool have no intention of selling Fernando Torres after holding talks with the Spanish striker.

It is reported that Torres is considering his future at Liverpool following the club's failure to qualify for the Champions League and Chelsea are believed to retain an interest in the World Cup winner.

However, Liverpool are reluctant to lose any of their leading players this summer and Hodgson has firmly stated that as far as he and the club are concerned, Torres will not be leaving Anfield.

"I have met with Fernando. I found him to be a very pleasant man and we had a nice conversation," Hodgson told reporters.

"As far as we are concerned he is a Liverpool player and we want him to remain a Liverpool player. He is not for sale and we don't welcome any offers for him.

Now, piss off Chelsea.


(ok, he didn't say that last bit ;) )



Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on July 17, 2010, 22:29
Heard on the grapewine that LFC is close to signing Loic Remy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1wP5Lizw-M
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: francis woo on July 17, 2010, 22:44
Heard on the grapewine that LFC is close to signing Loic Remy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1wP5Lizw-M

He looks like TH the cheat!!!......... :P
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on July 17, 2010, 23:01
 ;D He was supposed to sign for arse in the last January transfer window but was carrying an injury

Joe Cole! ... may be coming too
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Spunky on July 19, 2010, 15:32
;D He was supposed to sign for arse in the last January transfer window but was carrying an injury

Joe Cole! ... may be coming too

Assuming Masch is on the way out, they desperately need a couple of holding midfielders who can also pass the ball....like Alonso.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: jerms on July 19, 2010, 17:39
Joe Cole! ... may be coming too

oh no, another sicknote.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on July 19, 2010, 17:51
oh no, another sicknote.
I know but we're skint , can only afford them free like Jovovic, Maxine Rodriguez, Soto the Greek  etc etc
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on July 19, 2010, 19:14
I'll take Jovovich if her first name is Milla ;)

I thought Joe Cole was quite a skilful player... sicknote may be (another one to fill Harry Kewell's left field)
 
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on July 19, 2010, 20:57
 :) gets burned at the stake if doesn't cut it in the premiership

oh, forgot to post this ...

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/exclusive-reds-sign-joe-cole
 ;D

its like lfc sold yossi to the blues and got joe for free  ;D ;D ;D woohooo!
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on July 19, 2010, 23:47
Liverpool #7s

Ian Callaghan
Kevin Keegan
Kenny Dalglish
Paul Walsh (?)
Peter Beardsley
Steve McManaman
Vladimir Smicer
Harry Kewell
Robbie Keane
JC

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on July 20, 2010, 09:40
oh no, another sicknote.

On that basis, perhaps he actually should have joined the Totts...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on July 20, 2010, 09:47
sicknote, mayb truly. But (thumbs up) for me  8)

at least an English.....and he kinda moves like Gazza on the pitch. hopefully he is consistently fit  ;)

now i have something to look fwd to the new season 10/11  ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on July 21, 2010, 07:23
Gerrard staying (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=809450&sec=england&cc=4716)! ;)

Title: JC is wearing Nbr 10
Post by: cn9601 on July 21, 2010, 14:24
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/pics-cole-trains-with-reds

EDIT: Speculation had suggested that Cole would inherit Liverpool's famous No.7 shirt, which was given prestige by the likes of Kevin Keegan and Kenny Dalglish. But the former West Ham man has instead been allocated the No.10 jersey for the new season.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6272563,00.html

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on July 21, 2010, 16:36
If we are doing this (http://www.montrealgazette.com/sports/Muslims+Malaysia+shirts/3300547/story.html), why not the whole country, one thinks...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on July 21, 2010, 17:47
If we are doing this (http://www.montrealgazette.com/sports/Muslims+Malaysia+shirts/3300547/story.html), why not the whole country, one thinks...

For real?  Most bizarre.

Doing some research, the current Norway shirt's badge doesn't have a cross, although it does have a dragon-like emblem:-
http://www.football-shirts.co.uk/fans/new-norway-national-shirt-and-crest_1108

Older Norway shirts apparently just had their national flag, which does have a cross of sorts, but so do many European flags (including England's). 

Serbia's crest does indeed have a prominent cross in the middle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_Association_of_Serbia

but no more prominent than say Sweden's:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Football_Association

Admittedly Portugal's and Brazil's are fairly obvious:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_Football_Federation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_Football_Confederation

On that basis, Milan's jersey would also be banned. 

Haiz. 

Then again, banning ManYoo's shirt isn't really a bad thing, is it?   ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on July 21, 2010, 22:22
On that basis, Milan's jersey would also be banned. 

True. Wasn't it one of those mentioned... My late father was fairly religious and forbid me to wear a Milan jersey when I was very much younger

Then again, banning ManYoo's shirt isn't really a bad thing, is it?   ;D

Exactly. Perhaps they could issue a decree that says it's a civic duty to kick anyone seen wearing a Man Utd jersey

*phew* fortunately Liverpool changed sponsors just in time ;)

The strict edict against alcohol is not only against the consumption of it, but also extends to

1) selling alcoholic drinks to others; this is worse than just consuming on your own, because you accrue a little of the sins of those who buy alcohol from you plus the result of their intoxication

2) working for a company that derives its income from alcohol (not only breweries, but transporters, retailers, advertisers etc etc)

3) advertising alcoholic drinks or companies - even passively, as in wearing a Carlsberg branded Liverpool shirt. It's funny I've seen people wearing an older Spurs shirt (Holsten) to prayers not realizing Holsten was a brewery

4) being in a place where people consume alcohol (lest you are enticed to drink, maybe - and tell me that doesn't happen)

Some people follow this personally to varying degrees or as far as they can manage in this current society - for example it's quite impossible to eat in a hotel restaurant that does not serve wine or beer; or quite impossible to find a company totally isolated retailing or advertising alcohol etc.

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on July 21, 2010, 22:26
Anyone knows this Danny Wilson? Apparently up and coming Scottish defender.

http://www.premierleague.com/page/Headlines/0,,12306~2097325,00.html
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: j45yip on July 22, 2010, 00:05
...looks like a done deal
http://www.goal.com/en/news/11/transfer-zone/2010/07/16/2028312/nice-striker-loic-remy-set-for-liverpool-medical-after (http://www.goal.com/en/news/11/transfer-zone/2010/07/16/2028312/nice-striker-loic-remy-set-for-liverpool-medical-after)


Heard on the grapewine that LFC is close to signing Loic Remy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1wP5Lizw-M
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on July 22, 2010, 00:59
Looks more & more like a promising season... nobody taking away Lucas?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Spunky on July 22, 2010, 07:16
True. Wasn't it one of those mentioned... My late father was fairly religious and forbid me to wear a Milan jersey when I was very much younger


din't get this thing abt Milan's jersey....what's wrong with it?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on July 22, 2010, 07:37
Looks more & more like a promising season... nobody taking away Lucas?

Maybe he can play at leftback, now that we've sold all of them

din't get this thing abt Milan's jersey....what's wrong with it?

there's a huge cross in the logo
(http://sportige.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/ac_milan2.gif)
and Muslims aren't encouraged to sport symbols from other religions
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: landis on July 22, 2010, 10:09
roy hodgson's very first match with liverpool, leading them to an uneventful goalless draw with the grasshoppers

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1296632/Grasshopper-0-Liverpool-0-Tame-start-Roy-Hodgson-dour-Switzerland-friendly.html
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on July 22, 2010, 10:13
din't get this thing abt Milan's jersey....what's wrong with it?
there's a huge cross in the logo

and Muslims aren't encouraged to sport symbols from other religions

A legacy of the fact that AC Milan was actually founded by English expats: the logo bears the cross of St George, same as the England flag.  Hence, their name really is the Anglicised "Milan", whereas the city's name in Italian is actually Milano.  In Italian, it's also pronounced differently, as in "MEE-lan", whilst the city is "mi-LAH-no".  BTW, the other Milan club's official name is just "Internazionale", shortened to "Inter", you're not actually supposed to call them "Inter Milan", which would be the equivalent of calling the Toffees "Everton Liverpool", or the Gunners "Arsenal London".

Another legacy of English expats is Athletic Bilbao: note use of the English "Athletic", as compared to, for instance, "Athletico Madrid" which uses the Spanish.

(Sorry, when my trivia switch is tweaked a whole torrent of useless information comes pouring out...  ;D )
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on July 22, 2010, 10:28
Oh-NO!!! RH better not read about it at this XP forum!!!

He ought to sell himself to Inter  8)

Maybe he can play at leftback, now that we've sold all of them
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on July 22, 2010, 10:32
Wat to do - only boys are running, and worse --> 1st half led by Lucas  8)

Dun know whether tat MioTV football frenzy pack will show any of these frendlies. I chk & chk programme schedule, and there's nothing abt friendly  ??? :-[ :'(

roy hodgson's very first match with liverpool, leading them to an uneventful goalless draw with the grasshoppers

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1296632/Grasshopper-0-Liverpool-0-Tame-start-Roy-Hodgson-dour-Switzerland-friendly.html
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on July 22, 2010, 17:16
*phew* fortunately Liverpool changed sponsors just in time ;)

Just occurred to me: Liverpool's new sponsors are Standard Chartered Bank, who charge and receive interest.  Isn't usury also forbidden?  Or is it a different level of 'bad'?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on July 22, 2010, 19:49
Just occurred to me: Liverpool's new sponsors are Standard Chartered Bank, who charge and receive interest.  Isn't usury also forbidden?  Or is it a different level of 'bad'?

*grrr* heheh ;D

Yes ursury is strictly forbidden as well - the money you earn from interest is unfair to the bank because they are bound to give you the interest regardless of whether they make a profit or not, and vice versa. so this money - if you consume it somehow becomes part of your physical self and taints everything you do from that point on. this is probably worse than ingesting alcohol although it isn't generally perceived as such (because when the alcohol is metabolised you're clean again)

Fortunately, SCB in Malaysia have islamic banking (http://www.standardchartered.com/islamic-banking/en/) :D




Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on July 22, 2010, 19:54
BTW, let's piss off SARN by making a bid for Vidic (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=809726&sec=transfers&cc=4716) ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: jerms on July 23, 2010, 17:08
RRRRRRRRRRRight

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=809848&sec=england&cc=4716 (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=809848&sec=england&cc=4716)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on July 23, 2010, 18:27
It's a plaintive cry of come & get me from AR  ;D
Title: Hodgson angling for Hyypia return
Post by: cn9601 on July 23, 2010, 18:56
I am *click* LIKE-ing RH. Gossip or no gossip, it'll be great for Hypia to return as player-coach. Another rumor is W.Bridge - that will definitely help to fill up vacant Left Back.

Hmmm....getting more excited to look fwd to season 10/11  ;)

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/transfer-gossip/hodgson-angling-for-hyypia-return

29 July Europa probably will be a proving platform of the shape of REDS for season 10/11  8)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on July 24, 2010, 20:06
Ch 222 tonite 10:10pm
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on July 25, 2010, 21:59
Damn it, what now (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=810137&sec=transfers&cc=4716)?

Hodgson said that he was still hopeful Torres would follow captain Steven Gerrard in committing his future to the club. But now it appears something that went on behind the scenes when Rafael Benitez was in charge which may ultimately prevent that.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on July 26, 2010, 15:30
Commentary on the shirt-banning up north:-

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2010/jul/24/manchester-united-shirt-ban-malaysia
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on July 27, 2010, 11:56
coming back to this Thursday, who do we have who is fit to play?

Seems everyone was on WC duty, even if they didn't actually log a game would have had to go for the training sessions etc


Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: landis on July 27, 2010, 13:05
Damn it, what now (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=810137&sec=transfers&cc=4716)?

noticed that you were shaking a little there ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on July 27, 2010, 14:49
*shaking* Boys, mainly  ::) :o ???  However, whether boys anot, if the lads can play as a team, I think it is still possible we can some result this Thursday  8)

*Damn it* mioTV ch102 does not seem to broadcast this match tis Thursday; seems like only what Women Worldcup and repeated WC2010 matches  >:( I remember SH would broadcast.

coming back to this Thursday, who do we have who is fit to play?

Seems everyone was on WC duty, even if they didn't actually log a game would have had to go for the training sessions etc
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Spunky on July 28, 2010, 07:23
hmmm....but like what they had reported, if he hasn't come forward to declare he's staying after all this rumours, it's likely he's busy negotiating somewhere for his exist. exit
But what will be really disappointing will be a transfer to another EPL club...that will sux bigtime! >:(
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dude on July 28, 2010, 11:26
I hope Torres stays, but if we have to lose him, regardless to another BPL club or otherwise, let's make them pay.

As far as Mascherano is concerned, well, we (not sure who, could have been Rafa or someone else) rescued him from hell at Upton Park. This is primarily of his own doing for signing a contract with an agent rather than the typical contract with a club. That was the same for Tevez, if I recall.

In any case, from the friendly games, it's pretty clear that we are very very thin, with an almost non-existent squad of quality subs. I'm still not convinced that no-one from the youth academy is good enough for even the bench, so let's see what happens.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Spunky on July 28, 2010, 11:49
Yeah, GBP70M is about right!!!

But not easy to find another 30-goal/season striker again.

I'm prepared to let Masch go....feel he's really over rated.  They shd consider putting Agger in that position coz he can tackle and also comfortable with the ball at his feet!!  Play hm in front of the 2 centerbacks and then buy another midfielder who can pass (like Alonso)...but like u said, the team still thin.

And have u read this?  Sounds like Kyut II

Liverpool new boy Milan Jovanovic insists he is happy to play anywhere in Roy Hodgson's side.

Jovanovic made his debut in Liverpool's friendly defeat to Kaiserslautern on Saturday in a left-sided winger role rather than in attack. more... (http://www.teamtalk.com/liverpool/6279845/Jovanovic-I-ll-play-anywhere)

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on July 29, 2010, 11:52
I hope Liverpool qualify and at some point in the Europa League play against this team called Teteks.

Wonder where they are from... if their logo is ( . ) ( . )

;D

ok, I'm having an infantile giggle at the expense of this teatm from Macedonia

I crack myself up.

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dude on July 29, 2010, 12:23
@ Spunky: More than anything else, it just goes to show how Rafa had shaped the squad, and without the right players for the right position, made worse by the World Cup players on off, guess this will be the case for the first couple of games, starting from the quali round tonight.

I don't think there is much more that Woy can do based on the players available to him. Let's bite the bullet and play 2 or 3 of the more promising youngsters each game. At least, it seems that Spearing is gonna get his break. The quali game could be a good one for him to boss the tempo of the gamel and give him some confidence...

Gossip is that Insua's not going to Serie A...I am wondering if that is good news or bad..
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on July 29, 2010, 12:28
eh, thot Insua's left already
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dude on July 29, 2010, 14:53
@ SiriuslyCold - conflicting reports. Seems his wage demands are too high. Think he probably needs to factor in the tax in Italy are lesser than those in England, thus the higher wages in England were to compensate for that...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on July 29, 2010, 17:24
I thought he was quite highly rated for a young player. at the very least a left back ... :)
Title: Europa League: Liverpool cruise
Post by: cn9601 on July 30, 2010, 11:05
*whew* ya, I am supposed to have faith in tis new team. BUT really *whew*. And not to mention Ngog actually hit the net TWICE *wow* *wow*

*whew*

Juz wonder what if, what if, Stevie-Torres-Joe starts in this match........a basket of goals ?!!! *dreamin*

----------------------------------------
David Ngog struck twice as Roy Hodgson began his reign as Liverpool manager with a comfortable 2-0 victory from a potentially tricky Europa League test.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=810845&sec=uefaeuropaleague&cc=4716
http://www.skysports.com/football/match_report/0,19764,11065_3305218,00.html
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on July 30, 2010, 12:11
YAY we won!! ;)

but DAMN YOU, ELFSBORG.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dXter on July 30, 2010, 12:37
Captain Lucas led the liverpool team to their first European win of the season.  :P
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dude on August 01, 2010, 19:07
David Villa is rumoured to have told reporters that he is surprised Torres is staying, and predicts that Torres will be leaving if Reds do not win anything in the coming season.

Nice talk from a guy who couldn't get in the Spanish first 11. Sigh, Anything to keep himself in the public eye...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: yellowhandman on August 01, 2010, 19:17
Liverpool going back to the future...re-signing Aurelio whom they just released at the end of last season...

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on August 01, 2010, 21:57
well, we didn't have any more left fullbacks :S


David Villa...

... a guy who couldn't get in the Spanish first 11.

really?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on August 01, 2010, 22:38
David Villa is rumoured to have told reporters that he is surprised Torres is staying, and predicts that Torres will be leaving if Reds do not win anything in the coming season.

Nice talk from a guy who couldn't get in the Spanish first 11. Sigh, Anything to keep himself in the public eye...
Silva?
Wouldn't mind if Torres sold for 70mil and the money used for 2-3 good players
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dude on August 02, 2010, 00:21
Yes, my mistake. David Silva.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on August 02, 2010, 13:38
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/torres-returns-as-chinese-bid-to-take-control-at-anfield-2041099.html
oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah hey!
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: francis woo on August 02, 2010, 15:17
Wah, new catch ha!!......... ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on August 02, 2010, 17:30
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/8876510.stm
It's now on BBC so it could hold water  :)

Yeah gao hu!  ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on August 02, 2010, 17:36
*drooling* I Like this:
"Huang is offering to clear Liverpool's debt to RBS and hand new manager Roy Hodgson funds to do business in the transfer window.
The tycoon also plans to build the club a new stadium as soon as possible."

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=811318&sec=england&cc=4716
"The Independent says Fernando Torres "was briefed on the approach some time ago and will be encouraged, on his return to Melwood, to await the outcome of discussions between the tycoon and Royal Bank of Scotland". Torres is keen to see further investment at Anfield."

Hopefully it's a done deal asap, and the Americans can go back to their self-contaminated beaches.

But hope also not devils OUT, one devil IN  ::)  The way Chinese run their business  :-X


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/8876510.stm
It's now on BBC so it could hold water  :)

Yeah gao hu!  ;D
Title: Insua decided that he is still undecided about his future
Post by: cn9601 on August 02, 2010, 17:49
Hmmm....afterall, we may end with the same set of 09/10 players, but obviously less the Argentinian.

"We were short of players but as it happened, Aurelio signed at the last minute and Insua decided that he is still undecided about his future and was therefore able to be selected," he said.

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/roy-s-borussia-verdict
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on August 02, 2010, 18:13
SSN says a formal bid made for the club  :)
Title: Re: Torres and gang are back at Anfield
Post by: Luv4nature on August 03, 2010, 11:56
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/photo-special-torres-is-back

Somehow I have a feeling this season will be packed with new excitement.

Boot the Yankie owners & let the new PRC era begins !
Title: Re: Torres and gang are back at Anfield
Post by: cn9601 on August 03, 2010, 13:30
Yummy  :) ;) ;D  I Like it.

(http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z67/cn9601/TorresisBackatMelwoodAug10.jpg)

(http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z67/cn9601/TorresKuyt.jpg)

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Spunky on August 03, 2010, 13:50
Let's pray that he'll stay fit!!! :)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: j45yip on August 03, 2010, 22:18
...wow, really? with the same "goal to game" ratio?

Wouldn't mind if Torres sold for 70mil and the money used for 2-3 good players
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on August 03, 2010, 22:24
HUZZAH!! (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=811529&sec=england&cc=5739)

"My commitment and loyalty to the club and to the fans is the same as it was on my first day when I signed. I am looking forward to the challenge ahead," Torres said. "I am really happy to be back, really happy to stay with all my team-mates.

"This is the best club in the country so the targets and expectations are always high. At Liverpool the aim is to fight for every title. It was difficult last season, but we are sure we can improve this season."
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on August 04, 2010, 00:21
...wow, really? with the same "goal to game" ratio?

off the top of my head... David Villa , who went to barca for a measly 33mil pounds
:) lest somebody jumps on me for wanting to sell Nando, my only lfc jersy that I own has his name on it and ny nick on lfctv is nandobitemybun :)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: jerms on August 04, 2010, 01:33
...wow, really? with the same "goal to game" ratio?

sad thing is nando doesn't play enough games as a sicknote.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Pingu on August 04, 2010, 01:39
'You'll Never Wok Alone' - The Daily Star.

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on August 04, 2010, 09:46
'You'll Never Wok Alone' - The Daily Star.

 ;D ;D

funny, but oh so predictable ;)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: yellowhandman on August 04, 2010, 10:01
I guess if he finally does buy Liverpool, the English press will label him 'the new King Kenny'?

Title: 'I'm at the best club' - Torres
Post by: cn9601 on August 04, 2010, 10:21
This morning I heard the long-awaiting news on Class95.

And then quickly check: http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/i-m-at-the-best-club

*whew*, at least for the time being. Yippie! at least till the next transfer window  8)

Why does this club mean so much to you?
From my first day I got the same welcome as Stevie or Carra or players who have been here for a long time. I felt at home from the first day, I feel the fans love me and everyone knows I am really happy here and really happy to play at Anfield. As I said earlier, I'm looking forward to starting the season and playing with my teammates and for the fans.


http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=811529&sec=england&cc=4716
Liverpool striker Fernando Torres has dismissed speculation linking him with a move away from Anfield by insisting he is extremely happy to be at "the best club in the country".



Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Pingu on August 04, 2010, 10:56
A reality check from F365 mailbox:


"So they're holding onto a player who plays around 15 games a season and looked poor before he got injured, then was even worse in the World Cup (which Spain won despite him). They're also keeping their 30-year-old past-it captain, whose only real contribution to the game in recent times is having a bit of a tumble to win a penalty. And they've signed a player who's looked past it for a long while and again, is incredibly injury-prone.

Next they'll sign someone like James Beattie and you'll be saying it's their year!"
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dude on August 04, 2010, 11:11
Well, Michael Owen was injury-prone too, and it could have been a result of rushing players back into action.

To me, one way of giving players sufficient time to recover from injuries is to have an able substitute. Rafa didn't/couldn't, and I suspect there may have been a few occasions when he risked Torres, since there was no-one else who he felt was reliable. Same for Gerrard.

As for Joe Cole, he was doing fine under Mourinho, so players need time to re-discover their form after being out with injuries, and Cole did have a bad injury last season. So the rehab on Chelsea's bill could be to our benefit.

In any case, I'm glad he stayed, and with news of potential new owners, some gloom will be lifted.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Spunky on August 04, 2010, 11:58
yeah, glad he's staying coz who wld buy a club when the 'top' players either want to be transfer out or on the wrong side of 30!

Title: Liverpool aim to become world's richest club
Post by: cn9601 on August 04, 2010, 14:22
*wow* *blink*  More and more icing on the cake before the start of season 10/11  ;D

Hopefully given Spore Chinese dominant society and 'close' tie with China, REDS will also set up an academy here  ;)

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=811609&sec=england&cc=4716
A Soccernet source has been given an insight into the ambitious plans to launch Liverpool in China, with internet, sponsorship and promotions aimed to push Liverpool beyond the means of even the richest clubs.

The source describes the plans as taking Liverpool to a scale as yet unseen in English football by tapping into the Chinese markets.

Title: 'Feel-good factor is back'
Post by: Luv4nature on August 04, 2010, 17:31
Quite an appropriate way to put it... all things start from within, a positive morale that is.


http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/feel-good-factor-is-back

Since taking over at the Reds helm, Hodgson has had Steven Gerrard and Fernando Torres commit their futures to the club, while landing arguably the transfer coup of the summer so far in Joe Cole.

And Rush believes there is a genuine air of positivity around Liverpool at the moment.

"Three or four weeks ago everything connected with the club was so negative," he said.

"But Roy Hodgson has come in and helped to transform the mood. He has already proved what a good manager he is.

"With Joe Cole signing, Steven Gerrard committing his future and now Torres following suit it's been a great few weeks for the club.

"Now there's a positive buzz and the supporters are optimistic about the new season."

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on August 05, 2010, 11:08
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/aug/05/china-liverpool-ownership-fund

... in short CIC moved 351 million sterling the last fortnight to prepare for a bid, the red army will have additional 1 billion fans :) and its nice to know you're being served by a LFC part owner down at the neighbourhood kopitiam :)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on August 06, 2010, 03:08
Ngog 1 - 0 '21 mins

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on August 07, 2010, 23:33
Not holding my breath on any Chinese takeover or any takeover for that matter until it happens. In the meantime, came across this translated version of YNWA if it does make it to the KOP.  ;D

Ni Yong Yuan Bu Hui Du Xing

Dang Ni Chuan Guo Feng Bao De Shi Hou,

Gao Ang Qi Ni De Tou,

Bu Yao Hai Pa Hei An.

Zai Na Feng Bao Jin Tou,

Shi Pian Jin Se Tian Kong,

He Bai Lin Na Tian Mei De Ge Sheng.

Chuan Guo Feng, Chuan Guo Yu,

Ni De Meng Xiang Huo Xu Hui Po Mie,

Dan Dai Zhe Ni Xin Zhong De Xi Wang Qian Jin,

Ni Yong Yuan Bu Hui Du Xing,

Ni Yong Yuan Bu Hui Du Xing.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on August 08, 2010, 00:10
With a number of players becoming surplus to requirement at citeh, would be prudent for the Hodge to bring back Bellamy on the cheap before transfers end ... can't wait and hope for the deal to go thru, it may be too late
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on August 08, 2010, 19:38
how many players do we have on the books at the moment? what does 25 players refer to - registration for prem lge or full squad?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: yellowhandman on August 09, 2010, 02:42
how many players do we have on the books at the moment? what does 25 players refer to - registration for prem lge or full squad?

Premiership registration - of the 25, 8 must be 'homegrown', meaning that they've been on the books of ANY English club for at least three years before the age of 21. But clubs are also allowed to play an unlimited number of under-21 (I think) players of any nationality or background, above and beyond the 25.

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on August 09, 2010, 15:53
Premiership registration - of the 25, 8 must be 'homegrown', meaning that they've been on the books of ANY English club for at least three years before the age of 21. But clubs are also allowed to play an unlimited number of under-21 (I think) players of any nationality or background, above and beyond the 25.



thanks.. I'll try and wrap my hed around this...

guess who's a red?

(http://debalisnietrond.web-log.nl/debalisnietrond/images/2009/12/22/woznicki.jpg)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on August 10, 2010, 11:48
guess who's a red?

Who dat?

Premiership registration - of the 25, 8 must be 'homegrown', meaning that they've been on the books of ANY English club for at least three years before the age of 21. But clubs are also allowed to play an unlimited number of under-21 (I think) players of any nationality or background, above and beyond the 25.

English or Welsh club.  Not sure why the two are lumped together for EPL purposes.  Note that nationality is not relevant, so for instance Fabregas is considered "home-grown", even though he can't play for England.  Apparently Arsenal have something like six "home-grown" who can't/don't play for England, which kinda makes the entire system a bit bizarre,but limiting it by nationality would have violated EU rules.

No doubt ManYoo have a few such oddities as well, e.g. the twins will in future be "home-grown" even though they're not even EU.

Having said that, I wonder what happens going the other way around, e.g. assume that say Spain has similar "home-grown" requirements, would Fabregas, despite being a Spaniard and playing for Spain, be "home-grown"?  Perhaps he would, since he spent several years at Barca's academy before moving to London, but say some other kid was born/raised in England but qualifies for some other country, and opts to do so, and that country's league has similar rules.  What then?

Indeed, I think ManYoo's Owen Hargreaves might fall into this category: he grew up in Canada, played in Germany as well, before plumping for England.  So is he "home-grown"?  And what about nationalised Brits? 
Title: Could Martin be the ONE, if it was earlier............?
Post by: cn9601 on August 10, 2010, 13:00
I would have xpected domestic league is one key platform to help gloom native players, ie. by nationality. Such that these native players will have more chance to play in 1st team along with good local and foreign players. However, if the 'home-grown' is simply a rule to stipulate any nationality player having played in the league for at least 3yrs, then my understanding of the policy to align with the BIG picture to cultivate domestic football level and to give more chance to local players kinda get me confused policitically. But again, maybe tis the side door to allow the league structure not being compromised commerically, so that Torres is now one of the 8 'home-growns' ;D


If he were to have resigned earlier, maybe he was the ONE rather than Roy  8)
"Martin O'Neill quits as manager of Aston Villa"
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=813068&sec=england&cc=4716
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: yellowhandman on August 10, 2010, 13:37
English or Welsh club.  Not sure why the two are lumped together for EPL purposes.

Probably has something to do with the fact that historically some Welsh clubs have played in the English leagues, i.e. Swansea and Cardiff. Although neither is presently in the EPL, they may have wanted to build in some flexibility. Whereas Scottish teams have always stuck to their own league.

Quote
Indeed, I think ManYoo's Owen Hargreaves might fall into this category: he grew up in Canada, played in Germany as well, before plumping for England.  So is he "home-grown"?  And what about nationalised Brits?  

Hargreaves doesn't count as homegrown. Neither will the da Silva twins, because they joined a couple of months too late (i.e. they can't hit three years at United before turning 21).

As for the logic of allowing foreigners to count as 'home grown', I think it's probably due to EU employment law - you can't discriminate against foreign players, simply because of nationality. So the next best solution is the '3 years before 21' rule, which does not discriminate based on nationality, but should theoretically result in more domestic youngsters coming through if you assume that the majority of players in the academies are probably from England or Wales (excluding those clubs who have the resources and network to bring in youngsters from all over).

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: silencer13 on August 10, 2010, 16:18
thanks.. I'll try and wrap my hed around this...

guess who's a red?

(http://debalisnietrond.web-log.nl/debalisnietrond/images/2009/12/22/woznicki.jpg)

Maybe she's not a red, but just shagged a red.  :D


Who dat?

woznicki.jpg
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on August 10, 2010, 17:28
Caroline Wozniacki she just won the Danish open yeah she look shagged haha
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on August 10, 2010, 21:28
Who dat?


as you may have gathered, Caroline Wozniacki ;)

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: yellowhandman on August 10, 2010, 21:38
Whoever she is, she clearly has very bad taste.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on August 10, 2010, 22:34

Yes and Shrek pissing on the street in a drunken state is excellent taste I must say. Worst of all, he isn't even pretty. Hmmm then again he is. Pretty ugly.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on August 10, 2010, 22:54
Whoever she is, she clearly has very bad taste.

perhaps, but she knows her football ;)

on another note, I'm getting tired of Mascherano ... or his agent. one of them should shut up until someone actually makes a bid for him

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on August 10, 2010, 23:32
think abt it, so far it seems oni both of them are kicking fuss abt joinin Inter or Barca, and being outright tat REDS shld allow him to leave. Dun recall Inter and Barca have ever indicated their interest  ::)

Sensing a bad apple in the making. Time to dump it before it corrodes and affects the 'feel good' situation  >:(

on another note, I'm getting tired of Mascherano ... or his agent. one of them should shut up until someone actually makes a bid for him
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on August 10, 2010, 23:36
It seems Inter cannot meet Liverpool's valuation of Masch, so Barca is sniffing around with Hleb for swop + cash but I'd rather have Pedro
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on August 12, 2010, 16:05
Welcome to Anfield, Christian Poulsen (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=813824&sec=transfers&cc=4716)


Ah, so Masch just wants to leave England (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=813802&sec=england&cc=4716&campaign=rss&source=soccernet), not just Liverpool
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on August 12, 2010, 19:16
cant wait for 15 Aug, away match @ Emirates

i will be bold: Arsenal 1 Liverpool 3  ;D 8)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: sigurros on August 12, 2010, 20:14
cant wait for 15 Aug, away match @ Emirates

i will be bold: Arsenal 1 Liverpool 3  ;D 8)

it will be played at Anfield home game to Liverpool 2 to Arsenal 1

YNWA
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Spunky on August 13, 2010, 10:29
but still no official offer from anyone for Masch leh ???
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dXter on August 13, 2010, 10:50
Still early, besides in an auction, the bidding is most frantic towards the end.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on August 13, 2010, 16:07
*whew* I would have thought I would be bashed for the blunder  ;D

Was too busy in office to EDIT the mistake  8)

Yes, it is HOME ground Anfield  :D

And yes, I still insist on: Liverpool 3  Arsenal 1   ;)


cant wait for 15 Aug, away match @ Emirates

i will be bold: Arsenal 1 Liverpool 3  ;D 8)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on August 14, 2010, 13:17
Saw this ad by Philip Lahm :)
(http://i44.tinypic.com/sbikg0.jpg)
...nobody gets past me and Bild ...

except maybe FT
Title: 15Aug Liverpool 1 - Arsenal 1
Post by: cn9601 on August 16, 2010, 15:34
 >:( :-[ :-X :-\ :'(

Liverpool Grown-Ups 1 - Arsenal Boys 1
- Joe proclaiming at his peak --> RED carded before HT, causing Reds to play with 10 men 2nd half
- Boy Ngog scored a fantastic goal, but to be cancelled during stoppage time by.......
- Seasoned keeper Pepe blunder own goal --> incidentally another weird goal akin to that RED beach ball!

Wenger must be fuming mad with their boys not having to take 3 points from us, though I see mostly boyish Gunners.

1st half Reds are a bunch of *%@(* --> midfield not fluent, and Gunners keep knocking at Pepe  >:(

2nd half Reds sudden burst wif energy and tempo, though playing with 10 men.

And then Gunners grown-ups stepped in --> and started to knock on Pepe, and then finally Pepe panicked with blunder own pin-ball like own goal (sigh.......) in stoppage time. At that time, I fell off my chair  :-\ And start groaning WHY LIKE THAT?!  3 points oredi in RIGHT pocket lei  >:(

tsk....tsk....tsk.............Ok, tis oni the 1st match. But the pattern seems obvious oredi  :-\
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: sillyme on August 16, 2010, 15:55
Hmm.. Except for the equaliser, I'm actually happy with the performance.

The team seemed have something re-ignited as compared to last season. There's more drive to their play.

They do still need to improve on holding on to the ball more.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on August 16, 2010, 16:48
Anybody noticed they defended corners different from previous seasons, more man marking and defenders standing on the line?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: silencer13 on August 16, 2010, 17:00
Anybody noticed they defended corners different from previous seasons, more man marking and defenders standing on the line?

Of course..... it's a real English manager now, not the fat Spanish waiter.   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on August 16, 2010, 19:59
Yeah but the Spanish waiter served up some remarkable dishes in his time, the Turkey ala Milan,  the $1.40 Old Trafford surprise, and the blue plate special Stamford home unbeaten steak
  ;D

Actually, the Hodge cut his teeth managing continental teams but fulham, argh don't like the way they play
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on August 16, 2010, 20:10
COR-rect. One at each corner..........but hope to see more WIDE playing oso.

Guess  Poulsen will play in next match now.

Now still heart aching over tat own goal  :'( :-\  No worries, I will bounce back, I know. I will bounce back onto the sofa to watch the next match again. YNWA  ;D

Anybody noticed they defended corners different from previous seasons, more man marking and defenders standing on the line?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: CoolioDude on August 19, 2010, 22:18
Any ideas is there a live telecast in MioTV on Liverpool vs Trabzonspor match tomorrow, any bros?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on August 19, 2010, 22:55
Not sure if mio has but can try live streaming at
http://www.atdhe.net/
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on August 20, 2010, 06:38
Bro kelso. Tats a cool site  ;D  I just chk it out and video streaming is literally laggy free, though kinda a little pixelised. But for me, it's the best so far  ;)

YNWA

Not sure if mio has but can try live streaming at
http://www.atdhe.net/
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: CoolioDude on August 20, 2010, 21:11
Not sure if mio has but can try live streaming at
http://www.atdhe.net/
Thanks bro. I hate Singtel MioTV, Starhub used to live telecast the matches Liverpool played in Europa League.

Guess need to sacrifice my sleeping hour on Tuesday's morning for Man City game, that should be a thrilling game to forward to!
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on August 20, 2010, 22:19
din know tat Kuyt is tempted to leave REDS and to join Rafa  :-[
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6325056,00.html

And wat shame?! Rafa's shame spilling over now  >:(
 £20million 'sick cat' !!! Imagine wat REDS or Roy could have done wif  £20million now  :-[
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6324514,00.html
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on August 21, 2010, 23:52
Another good site is bet365.com
It requires registration but it's ok because you just need to give your user name and password.
The rest incl email you can give fake ones because they don't do email activation nor do they check anything.
This site has got really good streaming in high quality but I just cant get it to go fullscreen
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on August 22, 2010, 02:12
that was funny... Cech and Cole were wasting time at the end and the crowd booed them, so they went upfield and scored a goal. tsk tsk. Chelsea are on fire.. this must be "the hunger of champions" someone spoke about last week
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Momenta on August 22, 2010, 07:22
The Takeover Deal from business man Kenny Huang and his consortium is off citing reasons being the slow response from the Liverpool Board and that they are holding on for "last minute better offer". From the reports, it seemed that the bid from Kenny Huang was viewed as the serious contenter though Martin Broughton has claimed that there are several bids on the table.

Kind of disappointed that this deal did not went through and it seemed that the club would be stuck with the uncommitted H&G owners unless RBS forces its hands on the owners to sell the club. This further deepen my belief that the top 4 premier clubs are unlikely to change hand to non ang moh owners.

Hope another serious ang moh bidder with funds to upgrade the squad and stadium comes along. if not, i feel the club i supported since childhood is unlikely be serious contender of any trophies this season.

 >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on August 23, 2010, 09:57
Kind of disappointed that this deal did not went through and it seemed that the club would be stuck with the uncommitted H&G owners unless RBS forces its hands on the owners to sell the club. This further deepen my belief that the top 4 premier clubs are unlikely to change hand to non ang moh owners.

My understanding is that at present, while RBS can pressure H&G, they can't force anything through.  But in October, if the loan isn't repaid in full RBS then takes over and can itself sell the club to whomever it chooses.  Hence, earlier there was 'speculation' as to why anyone would want to buy now, and have to deal with H&G's ridiculous demands, when in October they could deal with RBS directly.  Of course, the problem is one of time: right now the transfer window is still open, in October it isn't and by the time the new window opens, Liverpool could already be in really deep doo-doo.

I also seem to recall that the Texas Rangers, also owned by H, are also in trouble.  Sheesh.  What a disaster he's turned out to be.  And Moores claims that he did proper due diligence on them before selling??
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on August 23, 2010, 11:10
sigh......it's MONEY  >:( :( 

And Moores claims that he did proper due diligence on them before selling??
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: CoolioDude on August 24, 2010, 03:59
Ngog was not holding up the ball well and Lucas as usual, not helping out Gerrard in the midfield. Perhaps Poulsen should replace Lucas on 2nd half.

Come on Liverpool, you can do better in 2nd half ;)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on August 24, 2010, 04:29
ugh. why did I wake up :(

poor performance hopefully we can improve.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dbchoong on August 24, 2010, 09:59
Luckily it's not another 6-0... ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on August 24, 2010, 11:11
 ??? >:( :( :o

I tried to "hold up" till 130am, and then I gave up and went to sleep.

And how lucky I have not stayed sleepless to watch a confident win by ManCity  >:( :(  after hearing the result this morning on Class95  ::)

Wat crap  ???   Literally the same team sheet as per 09/10, but wif a new manager Roy and unused sub Poulsen. Wat happen?

And now wif this guy - "Javier isn't in the right frame of mind at the moment to play," Hodgson told his post match press conference.
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/roy-on-masch-omission

Tis not the REDS I am expecting to start 10/11 like that lei  :P (sign....) Veri 'Eat' 'Strength' tsk...tsk..

Dun know whether to watch the highlight anot, so despondent & heartache   :'(


Ngog was not holding up the ball well and Lucas as usual, not helping out Gerrard in the midfield. Perhaps Poulsen should replace Lucas on 2nd half.

Come on Liverpool, you can do better in 2nd half ;)
ugh. why did I wake up :(

poor performance hopefully we can improve.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: jerms on August 24, 2010, 11:35
"the ultimate anti-magic wand man"

hodgson is hedgehog accident waiting to happen.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: silencer13 on August 24, 2010, 15:17
The whole team was bad.... from Captain Gerrard to Torres to Carragher to Reina.... of course, the usual suspects like Lukas were their usual lousy selfs. Maybe they were affected by Mascherano going on strike?

If you didn't watch the game, I'd suggest not bothering to catch the repeat.... unless you're a Man City fan.
It's a torture in itself to see Liverpool play like this.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Momenta on August 24, 2010, 16:12

If you didn't watch the game, I'd suggest not bothering to catch the repeat....

Totally agreed with silencer13.  Stayed up to watch the game but was totally disappointed in the way the team play. Ball was given away too easily and the second goal was a crappy goal which could have been saved if Reina was more alert. We dun even have the fighting spirit like spurs which also dun have lots of big names in their squad but they really play better than City in the opening game.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dsj88 on August 24, 2010, 18:03
This has all to do with morale. Bad at the moment. They had high expectations of a buyout from the Huang guy which meant having money to buy decent players. That came crashing down and with it their morale

Liverpool at this rate will finish worse than 7th last season. They will lose Gerrard and Torres if nothing is done in the transfer window which is running out soon.

How sad to see this side slumping like this
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Momenta on August 24, 2010, 21:04
Liverpool at this rate will finish worse than 7th last season. They will lose Gerrard and Torres if nothing is done in the transfer window which is running out soon.

Unless there is new owner coming in, the club will not have the funds to buy good players. Anyway, hope the JM deal to Barca will go thru so at least they have the money to buy the swedish striker from PSV and attacking midfieder from FC Twente
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: j45yip on August 25, 2010, 20:59
...roy's first season at anfield so i'm not expecting them to do any better than nailing a spot in next season's UCL. top 4 is a realistic target. building a team takes time so don't be carried away with just 2 games played. come on, have faith in the new guy. let's see what happen after the window closes because i'm sure masch's situation is not helping. i do agree the team is in trouble if they keep playing like this. it could get worse before things get better. just hope the 2 clowns f**k off asap.
there's anyways two sides to a coin. huang's decision to pull out prematurely casted some doubt as to whether his bid is geniune. look at the publicity he got by just linking himself with a possible takeover. no one knows who is kenny huang and sql sports before this so i think it's good mileage for him. just hope whoever takes over have the club interest at heart.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: DIYer Straits on August 26, 2010, 11:46
Another Juan Ramos syndrome? :D
Title: Barca agree Mascherano fee
Post by: cn9601 on August 27, 2010, 19:04
GO GO, rid any bad apple. QUICKLY GO. And we have money to buy some GOOD APPLES, hopefully.

EDIT: But does that mean Lucas has more play time???!  :o  OMG  :o >:(

A Barca statement added: "FC Barcelona and Liverpool FC have reached an agreement in principle for the transfer of Javier Mascherano to the club for the next four seasons.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=818023&sec=transfers&cc=4716
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6340735,00.html
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: scoobydoo on August 27, 2010, 21:04
Can we please take that money now and by edin dzeko?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: j45yip on August 28, 2010, 10:56
...supposed to be the "like for like" replacement for marsch. we'll have to see if he's any good.

Porto's Raul Meireles (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/444815-liverpool-impressively-sign-portos-raul-meireles-for-pound107m)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: silencer13 on August 28, 2010, 16:34
why couldn't he have gone earlier? without him around, Arsenal could have won that first game.... he was awesome that day.
Probably added a few million pounds to his value just on that game alone.  :)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: asianboy on August 28, 2010, 19:38
mean while Liverpool ex manager has planning to destroy Mourinho triple winning team.  ;D

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=818337&sec=europe&cc=4716 (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=818337&sec=europe&cc=4716)
Title: Reds complete Meireles deal
Post by: cn9601 on August 29, 2010, 09:08
Out of no where, and "mentally unprepared", a new face. Tis season mid-field is really going places and will be stretched to the extreme. Guess Stevie will have confusingly trouble to know where to play, where to run, when to hold, when to forward, when to........ WE WILL SUFFER FROM INTERMITTENT HEART ATTACK - where we win/loss will be decided in the MIDDLE of the heart. sigh...... ::) :-\ A good example, when one of the valves - Alonso - is blocked, what happen in 09/10 !!!

Liverpool have completed the signing of Portuguese midfielder Raul Meireles on a four-year contract.
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/reds-complete-meireles-deal
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/our-new-signing-in-10-facts
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on August 29, 2010, 23:52
there was obvious emptiness in pool's midfield, in fact WBA's build up often looked more threatening. In an ordinary looking display, torres makes the difference.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on August 30, 2010, 00:10
*whew* at least we got the 3 pts
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: j45yip on August 30, 2010, 11:22
...it's going to be a long and tough season ahead for the reds judging by last night's display. the whole team appears sluggish. credit to WBA for forcing the play and not allowing pool the time. when the visitors looks like the home team, you know things are not going well.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on August 30, 2010, 13:46
Yeah agree.... got to take this season as a window of alignment and fine tune. It's quite a disarray now especially all the new comers are quite at a loss of their roles in the team formation. Given time, RH should be able to steadily breach this gap with his squad.

Some positive points obserevd: torres starting to exhbit some glipmses of his greatness, the Gerrard-Kuyt-Torres chemistry is not lost totally, and the man-to-man marking strategy for dead ball situation looks a lot less exposed than the previous zonal defence.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dude on August 30, 2010, 15:15
I understand how fans will always be excited, but come on, did anyone really expect Woy to come in and immediately make us a serious contender?

We really should have sold Masch sooner for a much higher price. We were held to ransom, and ended up reportedly selling him for the same price he was bought. If we were in a stronger financial position, I say we let him rot in the reserves.

That he is a good player is no dount, but he is one-dimensional - excellent protecting the defenders, but could not offer anything else.

I'm kinda hoping that Poulsen will be what Jan Molby was to us, with the added benefit of being able to break the play up. He had some good intended passes, certainly more than I saw form Masch, so I think he had an ok game on Saturday;

Once Woy has had more time with the squad, I think we will play better. For now, it's just important to grind out the results.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: j45yip on August 31, 2010, 11:53
...the team is very much in a 'work in progress' state at the moment. i still think keeping clean sheet is something we have to learn all over again. just look at the way skrtel defended. sure to give away a penalty one of these days. i thought we solved the right back situation when we signed johnson but i'm not sure now. zonal marking is what most successful team adopt in open play and it's the most effective system at the moment. however, i agree we should use M2M for set pieces.
as for masch's unprofessional behaviour, i hope he warm the barca bench for a long long time.
raul meireles should be a good signing and the int'l break should give RH amber time to prepare him for the birmingham game. hope all the redmen come back in one piece after the euro qualifiers.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dude on August 31, 2010, 11:59
I think Portugal has a couple of games as well, so Woy will not get to work with Raul

There's news that Woy is open to listening to offers for Lucas, so that's a piece of good news...hahahaha....

But seriously, we need a good striker. If he is cheap(er), I honestly feel that Robbie Keane deserves a 2nd chance. He didn't get a shout with Rafa, and with Woy committed to playing 442, he could work.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on August 31, 2010, 12:15
why not 442 with n'gog?

we'll still need another striker, but play the one we have now
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dude on August 31, 2010, 16:19
Reported that Woy will give Babel his chance at playing striker, so we have 3 on the books now - Torres, Ngog, and Babel
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: sigurros on August 31, 2010, 16:34
seems like rumor has it that C.Cole maybe joining the Reds after WH has allowed him to go

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/transfer-gossip/west-ham-to-let-cole-go (http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/transfer-gossip/west-ham-to-let-cole-go)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: sigurros on August 31, 2010, 16:44
Lucas may be going  ;D

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=819475&sec=transfers&cc=4716 (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=819475&sec=transfers&cc=4716)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: francis woo on August 31, 2010, 17:30
Lucas may be going  ;D

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=819475&sec=transfers&cc=4716 (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=819475&sec=transfers&cc=4716)

Good riddance to bad rubbish...... :P
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on August 31, 2010, 19:26
I second that RK deserves a 2nd chance, under RH. But doubt tat will happen.......doesnt seem to be on RH's radar.

as per 'live' mio102 with reporter outside Melwood trg ground, Paul Konchesky is almost a done deal.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=819462&sec=transfers&cc=4716

I honestly feel that Robbie Keane deserves a 2nd chance.
Title: Reds complete Konchesky deal
Post by: cn9601 on August 31, 2010, 22:14
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/reds-complete-konchesky-deal

But I cant believe we are trying to take up Cole from West Ham  :o

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Momenta on September 01, 2010, 06:54
Trf window has closed and there is no news on Red making last minute signing of new striker.  So guess it will be Torres, N'gog and Babel playing the front man till the window opens again in Jan. :-[ :-[ :-[

Hope the team performance will improve going forward. If they continue to play like they did on Sunday, i am worried that finishing within top 10 might be a challenge.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dude on September 01, 2010, 11:32
Have confidence in our Roy of the Rovers - Woy of the Weds  ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on September 01, 2010, 19:53
yep.....it's disheartened that the front couldnt be improved. Nevertheless, on the contrary to most, I will prefer Babel over Ngog.

IMHO, one thing positive is the midfield looks more powderful (less Lucas). Now hope tat midfield could settle in asap (and once Joe is back from his stupid Red card suspension), and hopefully with more winger run, either Torres or even Babel, the team could be more exciting for 10/11.

Konchesky:"He is a player who will get down the left side and attack. He is naturally left-footed and that gives us good balance down that flank."
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/why-konchesky-will-be-a-hit

Of coz, IMHO, though oni 3 games, it doesnt look rosy yet. Lets hope tis week International break can give some time for team bonding and 'soldering' in  ;)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: CoolioDude on September 01, 2010, 20:16
yep.....it's disheartened that the front couldnt be improved. Nevertheless, on the contrary to most, I will prefer Babel over Ngog.

Of coz, IMHO, though oni 3 games, it doesnt look rosy yet. Lets hope tis week International break can give some time for team bonding and 'soldering' in  ;)
I thought Joe Cole can be the 2nd striker if there is any injury on Torres (touch wood!). Perhaps Babel should step up to take the opportunity this time (now or never), which he is quite wasteful at times on goal, hopefully he is ready to atone, if he is being called upon.

I can't agree more, let the new members settled in and they will perhaps gel and blend in well gradually (hopefully not taking too long).  ;D

For once, after Rafa's reign, I feel hope for Liverpool....  :P 

Screw the international fixture break, I need to look for something else to occupy my weekend!  :'(

Title: REDS 25-man squad
Post by: cn9601 on September 02, 2010, 09:47
Our 25-man squad till next xfer window in Jan 2011. Note--> Lucas Leiva & David Ngog are in the list *sigh* *eyes-rolling*  ::) >:( :( :-X
I know of course they must be in the list (right!), but I simply Dis-Like it  :-X

Liverpool: Daniel Agger, Fabio Aurelio, Ryan Babel, Milan Jovanovic, Dirk Kuyt, Sotirios Kyrgiakos, Lucas Leiva, Raul Meireles, Christian Poulsen, Pepe Reina, Maxi Rodriguez, Martin Skrtel, Fernando Torres, Jamie Carragher, Joe Cole, Stephen Darby, Steven Gerrard, Glen Johnson, Brad Jones, Paul Konchesky, Jay Spearing . (Liverpool can also use young players including: Peter Gulacsi, Martin Kelly, Daniel Wilson, Jonjo Shelvey, Daniel Pacheco, Nathan Eccleston and David Ngog.)


For 'meaning' of 25-man squad: http://soccernet.espn.go.com/feature?id=819764&sec=england&cc=4716
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Momenta on September 04, 2010, 11:43
It seemed that 31 Aug has passed and news of the new owner is still "far far away".  So as previously mentioned that there are few potential bids on the table are just smoke screens created by Broughton and Purslow. With the yanks owners still in place, I believe it will do more harm as players will be distracted on the ownership saga.  >:( >:( >:(

I hope that the come Oct dateline will force these clowns to sell the club at dirt cheap price and new owners with funds and commitment to the club will come in and make this club a serious title contender again.
Title: JC's testimonial match
Post by: cn9601 on September 05, 2010, 10:11
Liverpool stars past and present turned out to honour Jamie Carragher at his testimonial on Saturday.
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/photo-special-stars-back-for-jc

Looking at these photos, OMG!!! as REDS, the 'feel good' and 'good old days' and 'what if these former REDS are playing now'........ *smiles*  They look so "fitting" in REDS jersey  ;D

"Michael Owen, Luis Garcia, Danny Murphy, Steve Finnan"
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on September 05, 2010, 14:23
I read that as the "Yak" was lining up for Everton's penalty, Carra sneaked past, shot and scored an own goal :)
Amongst the alumni present were Gary Mac (my favourite ex-red) and Dudek, not sure if Macca (Steve) was there though...
Anybody watched Les Arbitres on ch 201? Its a behind the scenes look at refs during the euro '08 , very watchable and it had Howard Botak Webb singing ynwa at the end  :)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on September 06, 2010, 12:26
Reminds me of Bergkamp's testimonial, where Marco van Basten and Johan Cruyff turned in cameo appearances.  Ironically a colleague didn't know who Cruyff was: my explanation to her was that if Pele and Maradona are (almost) universally considered the two best footballers ever (which one is #1 being a matter of opinion), when the argument as to #3 starts, Cruyff is often the first name put forward. 

Did Dalglish play at Carra's testimonial?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on September 06, 2010, 19:46
Nope  :)

Liverpool XI: Jerzy Dudek, Stephen Wright, Steve Finnan, Stephen Warnock, Joe Cole, Steven Gerrard, Emile Heskey, Michael Owen, Luis Garcia, Jamie Carragher, Jay Spearing, Brad Jones, Paul Konchesky, Ryan Babel, Jonjo Shelvey, Andre Wisdom, Nathan Eccleston, Daniel Ayala, Gary McAllister, Suso, Raheem Sterling, Conor Coady, David Thompson, Jason McAteer, John Flanagan, David Amoo, Jack Robinson.

Everton XI: Iain Turner, Tony Hibbert, Shane Duffy, Aristote Nsiala, Jose Baxter, Francis Jeffers, Luke Garbutt, Magaye Gueye, Leon Osman, Yakubu, Lee Carsley, Leighton Baines, James Wallace, Hope Akpan, Mikel Arteta, Nathan Craig, Adam Davies, James Vaughan, Jermaine Beckford, Zac Thompson, Ross Barkley.




Did Dalglish play at Carra's testimonial?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on September 06, 2010, 20:56
Houllier was on the bench next to Roy, very dejavu...ish
Carra was a schoolboy everton fan, for those wondering he chose to play the bitters
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on September 17, 2010, 09:35
what a terrible first half - fortunately the second half was much much better. Stunning goal by Lucas even, and that finish by Ngog was reminiscent of Owen. Maybe Roy has a hairdryer ;D
Title: Reds smack Steaua for four
Post by: cn9601 on September 17, 2010, 14:40
Was too tired to turn on my system clock - slept thru till 7am. Guess will catch up on ch102 at 11pm later  8)

I am beginning to like Roy for his honesty:
"So the decision was made more for defensive reasons than offensive reasons and it was just coincidence Lucas happened to score a great goal. It's good for him and the club, but I don't take any credit for it."

"It is a proud night but I must emphasise that the first two matches were qualifying matches for the Europa League," Hodgson told Liverpoolfc.tv. "To really start saying I've done something special as Liverpool manager I would need to win the next couple of European games and beyond."

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/roy-s-delight-at-cole-show
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/roy-keen-to-play-down-record


As for Lucas.......while I have not watched him played to score that goal or even his performance last evening, I will still prefer him to stay off the field. Many times, his lacklustre performance is more consistent  :-\

And so, I hope this Sunday at Old Trafford, at a minimal a GOOD PLAY by REDs, and looking fwd to see how Torres can terrify those Devils, Stevie unpredictable and penetrating runs, Joe precise string passes and graceful dribbling, Raul rampage of mid-field......wow-wow, getting very excited liao!  ;D :D

what a terrible first half - fortunately the second half was much much better. Stunning goal by Lucas even, and that finish by Ngog was reminiscent of Owen. Maybe Roy has a hairdryer ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on September 17, 2010, 17:15
Lucas turned on 'god-mode' to score a scorcher
http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?xl=xl_blazer&v=XSV7l9FrKyU
But I think he can only do it when the planets are aligned
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: francis woo on September 17, 2010, 17:34
Lucas turned on 'god-mode' to score a scorcher
http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?xl=xl_blazer&v=XSV7l9FrKyU
But I think he can only do it when the planets are aligned

This I must watch tonight!!....... :o
Title: mioTV Ch 102 - 23:00 UEFA Europa League Liverpool FC vs FC Steaua Bucuresti
Post by: cn9601 on September 17, 2010, 17:42
mioTV Ch 102:
22:00  Score! (Live)
23:00  UEFA Europa League Liverpool FC vs FC Steaua Bucuresti


This I must watch tonight!!....... :o
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on September 17, 2010, 18:31
This I must watch tonight!!....... :o
Why? You scouting him for football manager?  ;D
Title: Liverpool's financial troubles could come to a head
Post by: cn9601 on September 17, 2010, 19:11
What fish is this?  :( :o >:( :-X :-[ :'(

Will monitor for LFC official statement, hopefully to dismiss this report  :-[


"A fire sale of players in the January transfer window cannot be ruled out, even though Liverpool have already........."
".....his partner Hicks is now attempting to refinance alone and gain total control - sending alarm bells through Anfield."
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=823998&sec=england&cc=4716
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: francis woo on September 17, 2010, 19:31
Why? You scouting him for football manager?  ;D

Never like him from the start and never will in the future!!!....... ;D
Just curious how he scored the goal!...... :P
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on September 17, 2010, 20:44
Yeah, give him away also nobody wants...maybe that brazilian coach Dunga
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: scoobydoo on September 18, 2010, 14:16
Lucas's first touch before he struck that goal was... almost like a shot itself.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on September 26, 2010, 00:11
Team still look like in broken pieces, somehow doesn't seem to improve over past games. All individual players struggling to gain control of ball and passes often ended up in opponents' feets... certainly a confidence issue.

Now the feel-not-so-good factor is slowly creeping in, just hope the reds can stay out of relegation zone.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: jerms on September 27, 2010, 01:25
1 word to describe roy's pool:

SQUARE

nobody seems to wanna find torres, who's labouring on scraps up front alone.

any chance steve, joe or raul gets to rampage up always ends up in a square pass.  lagi best.  the pass often goes back to pepe.

no alonso type no go.

this gives many struggling teams a very high chance to take points off pool in every game.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on September 28, 2010, 00:04
mayb it's true tat more time is required for the new team shape. but time is running out, and by Jan11, ppl like Torres will request for xfer.

Joe and Raul are good. But after 6 games, it is obvious this is yet to be a team; it is more like individuals, esp. midfield. and tats obvious where passes frequently go astray and so demoralising to watch. And then Stevie running evrywhere to b involved. even in ocassion at the back wif Jamie  ::)

Wif Stevie pitching evywhere and Joe and Raul still toeing around, doubt Torres will get service from them, and so very often Torres is like a lost soul, and no wonder can accuse of not being involved enuiff......

Glen of late oso perform below par. and wif new Konchesky at d back, it seems to shake the cohesiveness of back line, and evident of several defending lapse and 'mis-understanding'. OMG, tat head crash bet Jamie and Skrtel again  ::)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on September 29, 2010, 11:20
ok, this had me in stiches

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headlines/anfield-built-on-indian-burial-ground-201009273120/

LIVERPOOL'S poor start to the season has been traced to an ancient Arapaho curse under the Kop End at Anfield.

(http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/images/stories/polter1.jpg)
Hodgson has saved several of the players from being sucked into a cupboard

Roy Hodgson has endured a terrible run of results, culminating in yesterday's game against Sunderland where a harmless clearance by Pepe Reina was headed back into Liverpool's goal by a ghostly warrior riding a horse and wearing a Tranmere Rovers shirt.

Hodgson said: "It was like that Poltergeist film where the whole house implodes, only Konchesky and Skrtel are much, much scarier to look at than the bloke who tears his own face off.

"The whole place is a nightmare to work in - you leave the training cones alone for five minutes and they've rearranged themselves into a twelve-foot-high stack in the shape of Steve Heighway. And we didn't really transfer Rieira over the summer, he's actually trapped in the telly in the canteen."

The curse was brought to the club by owners Hicks and Gillett, who bought a job lot of bone meal fertiliser that was later discovered to contain the remains of Arapaho elders killed in the Sand Creek Massacre of 1864.

Hicks said: "When the bags of fertiliser first arrived, I thought they smelled a bit sacred-y and I did wonder why there was blue ectoplasm shooting out of them. I heard a disembodied voice screaming curses at me too, but to be honest I get that a lot."

TV bullshitter Derek Acorah has visited the ground and declared the only way to lift the curse is via a series of celebrity seances, adding that he could probably have a crack at Torres' persistent injury problems if they threw in a book deal as well.

Liverpool's situation mirrors the fate of Wigan Athletic, who were relegated in 1993 after buying a set of goalkeeping nets found to contain the soul of an orphan boy who died in tragic circumstances. The curse was eventually lifted by sprinkling them with a phial of Jimmy Hill's urine.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: yellowhandman on September 30, 2010, 19:06
Looking back, last season's beachball goal was clearly a manifestation of the poltergeist spirit…
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on October 03, 2010, 23:57
ok, that was the last straw for me. How long till Roy is sacked? Not that we are a club known for sacking managers, but this is clearly not working. :(

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on October 04, 2010, 00:06
IMHO, except for Stevie & Pepe, the rest are lost souls, literally walking on the field. no fighting spirit. tis not the REDS I wish to watch.

ok, that was the last straw for me. How long till Roy is sacked? Not that we are a club known for sacking managers, but this is clearly not working. :(
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on October 04, 2010, 01:07
Every team must be looking forward to play with L'pool these days, cos easy points waiting to collect :)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on October 04, 2010, 13:00
Couldn't bear to watch so I switched off the tv before the first half ended  :'(
Anyway I've decided to become a barca fan until the two americuns are gone or the team gets its act together. Last night Pedro was superb I think I'll get a barca no. 17 jersey  >:( maybe next season barca will get a new no. 9 ... nananana na na na,,na,,
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: francis woo on October 04, 2010, 16:25
Its sad to see a once mighty giant falls from grace!!....... :'(
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on October 04, 2010, 18:01
Hello uncle, it's not fall from grace lah. Fall from grace is like if photos of your tryst with a meimei gets plastered on sammyboy lah. It's more like fall from lofty perch  :)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Momenta on October 04, 2010, 18:36
Like i said in my earlier post, RH needs to go as i feel his tactics that work well in Fullham fails to gel with Reds style of play. Other than RH, H&G, the infamous clown partnership also need to go. We need a committed new owner who can provide funds to strengthen the squad

I am thinking of returning the mio tv if not for the 2 yr contract with singtel.  it is a total disaster watching Liverpool plays like second or even third division team. No bite no fire and the whole team play like a bunch of school boys.

RH does not has the talent to restore the formal glory of the reds.  Hopefully, i will not see the repeat of Newcastle sad story two season ago on Reds at the end of this season.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dude on October 04, 2010, 18:54
The RBS deadline is up in a few days....

Coming back to Roy and Rafa, I have to commend Sir Alex. Man U are in debt for a much higher amount, but do you hear Sir Alex complaining to the press? No. Because he knows that there is nothing he can do.

He is there to manage a team, and knows that he will be judged based on the results, so why talk about something you cannot control?

Rafa, well, it's pretty obvious what he did. Roy, I'm sorry to say, started off by taking the same line, but to continually do so is to blame others for him not producing results.

Has the team been playing differently, different strategies? Yes, we have had injuries, but I don't see the team being more adventurous.

In fact, I notice that the team has become a bit of a Jekyll and Hide. Not for the first time has the team been very poor in the first half, and then a marked improvement in the second.

That seems to indicate that Hodgson cannot change his strategies immediately, and needs time to sort things out. That cannot work in the modern game, because you may have left yourself with a mountain to climb.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: yellowhandman on October 04, 2010, 18:58
Coming back to Roy and Rafa, I have to commend Sir Alex. Man U are in debt for a much higher amount, but do you hear Sir Alex complaining to the press? No. Because he knows that there is nothing he can do.


United are in deeper debt, but they are in far less danger of defaulting because of their merchandising machine and the huge gates from Old Trafford's 72,000 capacity, plus the money from Ronaldo. But most of all, Fergie has nothing to complain about because his squad has proven good enough to win 3 of the last 4 championships, not to mention appearing twice consecutively in the Champions League final and winning the last two Carling Cups. In that sense, he is not under the same pressure that Rafa was and now Roy is under to produce results, so he doesn't need to come up with excuses.

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on October 04, 2010, 19:19
It seems to be written on the Wall - Liverpool may be relegated in May 2011 !!!
I am beginning to 'judge' Roy's managerial competence. Initally, sounds like he's a down-to-earth guy who readily admits weakness and keens to take responsibility. But enuiff is enuiff. It now sounds more like hypocrite  >:(

After 7 matches and he is still accepting responsibility - Talk is Cheap, Talk is Free. Time to go, Roy 8)
Even Torrres seems to run out of 'faith', after less than 10mins on the field. Only Torres knows the truth behind his suspected groin injury, or rather heartache  ??? ::) And the damn Defend  :( :o

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/hodgson-i-m-responsible
He added: "The fans are entitled to take out their frustrations, lots of things have happened to frustrate them and I'm the one responsible because I'm the team manager. When the team does badly criticism will fall my way and I have to accept it."
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on October 04, 2010, 19:24
Rubbing salt into my wound, my 2 sons asked,"Dad, what if Liverpool is relegated?"

I said,"Sons, I will watch NBA!"

Couldn't bear to watch so I switched off the tv before the first half ended  :'(
Anyway I've decided to become a barca fan until the two americuns are gone or the team gets its act together. Last night Pedro was superb I think I'll get a barca no. 17 jersey  >:( maybe next season barca will get a new no. 9 ... nananana na na na,,na,,
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: francis woo on October 04, 2010, 22:40
Hello uncle, it's not fall from grace lah. Fall from grace is like if photos of your tryst with a meimei gets plastered on sammyboy lah. It's more like fall from lofty perch  :)

That's also not fall from grace as it will bestow me the honor of 'dirty old playboy'...haha. ;D

Is it a new catch!  8 pounder I guess!
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on October 05, 2010, 02:28
Very imperialistic of you but yeah if had to hazard a guess it's over 3 kg, didn't weigh it as I released it to fight another day...made my day/week or even a year  ;) with its run and jumps heh..tmr going again you know :o
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: j45yip on October 05, 2010, 11:01
...I don't want to comment anymore as everyone already knows what going on at the moment. i don't even get frustrated when i watch they play now because i know what to expect. i'll see what happens after 16oct. either it will change things for the better or we'll end up like leeds. either way, i'm still a red even if they are relegated. ynwa
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on October 05, 2010, 12:52
Hello uncle, it's not fall from grace lah. Fall from grace is like if photos of your tryst with a meimei gets plastered on sammyboy lah. It's more like fall from lofty perch  :)

who is this Grace and why is she so rough?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on October 05, 2010, 13:07
ssshh she's hiding behind the curtains  ;)
Title: Liverpool receives 2 excellent bids
Post by: Luv4nature on October 06, 2010, 09:50
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/10/06/3030678.htm?site=sport&section=football (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/10/06/3030678.htm?site=sport&section=football)

Liverpool has received "two excellent financial offers" to buy the club that would repay all itslong-term debt, the struggling Premier League club said.

British media reported the owners of the Boston Red Sox baseball team had lodged a bid while the other offer came from Asia.

The Red Sox were not immediately available for comment.

"A Board meeting was called today to review these bids and approve a sale," the club said in a statement on its website.

"Shortly prior to the meeting, the owners - Tom Hicks and George Gillett - sought to remove managing director Christian Purslow and commercial director Ian Ayre from the Board, seeking to replace them with Mack Hicks and Lori Kay McCutcheon.

"This matter is now subject to legal review and a further announcement will be made in due course," the statement added.

"(Chairman) Martin Broughton, Christian Purslow and Ian Ayre continue to explore every possible route to achieving a sale of the club at the earliest opportunity."

A statement from Hicks and Gillett said the offers "dramatically undervalue the club" but they were committed to finding a buyer that would sustain the future of Liverpool.

"We will however resist any attempt to sell the club without due process or agreement by the owners," the BBC quoted the American owners as saying.

Hicks and Gillett, who bought the Merseyside club in February 2007 for 218.9 million pounds, instructed Barclays Capital in April to find a buyer and appointed British Airways chairman Broughton to oversee the sale.

The five-times European champion owes 237 million pounds to its major creditors Royal Bank of Scotland, which has set a deadline of October 15 for the debt to be refinanced.

Liverpool, English champion 18 times, has made its worst start to a season in more than half a century with the burden of servicing the debt, leaving new manager Roy Hodgson with little money available to buy new players and strengthen the squad.

Some 7,000 fans marched to Anfield on Sunday before the match against promoted Blackpool, waving banners and chanting in the latest protest against Hicks and Gillett.

Liverpool lost the match 2-1 and has now picked up just six points from its first seven league games to sit 18th in the 20-team standings.

The club has also suffered an embarrassing League Cup defeat by League Two (fourth division) Northampton Town.

The last time Liverpool made such a poor start was in 1953-54, when it was relegated to the second division.

-Reuters
Title: 6 Oct 2010 BREAKING NEWS!!! New Owner: New England Sports Ventures
Post by: cn9601 on October 06, 2010, 14:38
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/board-agree-proposed-sale

New England Sports Ventures currently owns a portfolio of companies including the Boston Red Sox, New England Sports Network, Fenway Sports Group and Rousch Fenway Racing.

The sale is conditional on Premier League approval, resolution of the dispute concerning Board membership and other matters.

KNN KNS Bl**dy Americans!!!
Martin Broughton, Liverpool FC Chairman, said:
"I am only disappointed that the owners have tried everything to prevent the deal from happening and that we need to go through legal proceedings in order to complete the sale."
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Momenta on October 06, 2010, 17:20
this is music to the ears for every Reds fans. hope that these new Yankees owners will not repeat what their fellow country man did on the club

hopefully the sales materialise and the new owner is willing to provide the funding to strengthen the squad. 
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on October 06, 2010, 17:52
actually as I 'probe' further on "New England Sports Ventures", I realise AGAIN Yankees  :o

OMG  ??? ::)

"Liverpool fans' group Spirit of Shankly have been protesting against Hicks and Gillett's tenure for two years but the news that the club will be passing to another set of American owners may dampen the celebrations over the sale."
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=830320&sec=england&cc=4716


this is music to the ears for every Reds fans. hope that these new Yankees owners will not repeat what their fellow country man did on the club

hopefully the sales materialise and the new owner is willing to provide the funding to strengthen the squad.  
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Momenta on October 06, 2010, 17:56
actually as I 'probe' further on "New England Sports Ventures", I realise AGAIN Yankees  :o

OMG  ??? ::)


but apparently they own the Red Sox baseball team which I think is quite cash rich as compared to H&G team who are having cash flow problems at the time they took over the club.

the report also say one firm offer from asia, wonder who this is?? GIC? Kenny Huang?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: francis woo on October 06, 2010, 23:14
Just saw the news from CNA that Liverpool has accepted the bid from the Red Sox!!.... :P

Another Yankee company!!...... :P
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on October 07, 2010, 00:11
Don't think one should judge the soon-to-be new owner as just another American. Great difference in that they know how to manage sports clubs to be successful and profitable, having the know-how dealing with club activities like player transfer, selection of coaching staffs and manager, building a winning team, ticketing, sponsorship, merchandize, TV rights, publicity etc. these are bread and butter for them. In other words, they are real demonstrated pros in the sports industry.

Unlike the current owners who are just trying luck to make quick bucks, and do not know a thing about sports or football.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on October 07, 2010, 00:51
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/baseball/mlb/05/08/mlb.owners/index.html
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on October 07, 2010, 01:50
Just saw the news from CNA that Liverpool has accepted the bid from the Red Sox!!.... :P

at least we wont have to change our socks colour ;)


Dear Mr Hicks...
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO55BazkiZ4[/youtube]
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: j45yip on October 10, 2010, 18:55
...strong indication that the other interested party from the east is our very own temasek holdings.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Momenta on October 11, 2010, 11:15
The existing owners are using all the available avenues to stop this sale and if that happens, Reds cld go into adminstration and suffered 9 pts deductions.  The new owner might also walk away from the proposed deal shld that happen.

There are reports that H&G are willing to take the gamble to the extent that the club might be relegated to stop the sale. So it is really a shame for this two greedy bizman who are out to destroy the club.  From what I have read, they have been offered better offer around 400M pounds but they are greedy to demand for 800M pounds then. so now when the deadline is near and they are being offered cut throat price, they kpkb that they will suffered 144M pounds loss at this price.  wtf
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on October 11, 2010, 12:26
The (red)empire strikes back

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704814204575508070757773784.html
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: vieri on October 11, 2010, 13:02
The existing owners are using all the available avenues to stop this sale and if that happens, Reds cld go into adminstration and suffered 9 pts deductions.  The new owner might also walk away from the proposed deal shld that happen.

There are reports that H&G are willing to take the gamble to the extent that the club might be relegated to stop the sale. So it is really a shame for this two greedy bizman who are out to destroy the club.  From what I have read, they have been offered better offer around 400M pounds but they are greedy to demand for 800M pounds then. so now when the deadline is near and they are being offered cut throat price, they kpkb that they will suffered 144M pounds loss at this price.  wtf

H&G are like any typical Americano VCs (Venture capitalists). Long on sniffing bargains but short on soul.
Good blardy riddance to them.
Hopefully this new Yankee owner can usher the Reds into a new era.

Vieri
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on October 11, 2010, 14:59
There are reports that H&G are willing to take the gamble to the extent that the club might be relegated to stop the sale. So it is really a shame for this two greedy bizman who are out to destroy the club. 

That would be quite stupid of them.  RBS can already call the loan in and take over very soon, and upon relegation the value of LFC would be even less, allowing someone else, maybe even the same NESV, to buy at a real bargain price -- how much can a second division club command?  But with their history, and fans, LFC should be able to regain Premiership status, just as Newcastle did at the first attempt, so it would be a good deal for such a buyer.  ECL status, though, will require some serious investment, even today.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: yellowhandman on October 11, 2010, 17:51
That would be quite stupid of them.  RBS can already call the loan in and take over very soon, and upon relegation the value of LFC would be even less, allowing someone else, maybe even the same NESV, to buy at a real bargain price -- how much can a second division club command?  But with their history, and fans, LFC should be able to regain Premiership status, just as Newcastle did at the first attempt, so it would be a good deal for such a buyer.  ECL status, though, will require some serious investment, even today.

In the short term, LFC might make more through relegation parachute payments (about 40 million pounds if I'm not wrong) than by finishing mid-table without any European football. Plus they are a good enough side with a dedicated enough support that they will continue to pack in a full-house at Anfield in the Championship, and will probably bounce right back into the Premiership the following year. G&H clearly don't care about the tradition, history or even long-term future of the club - they just want to get as much money as they can back, so maybe they've calculated that relegation is a more profitable way to go than being forced to sell out now and lock in their loss.

In a way, a year in the Championship might turn out to be the footballing equivalent of going into administration - look at Newcastle this season, for example. A chance to rebuild and come back stronger.

Of course, speaking as a United fan, I just want to see Liverpool relegated.  ;D



Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on October 11, 2010, 18:18
In the short term, LFC might make more through relegation parachute payments (about 40 million pounds if I'm not wrong) than by finishing mid-table without any European football. Plus they are a good enough side with a dedicated enough support that they will continue to pack in a full-house at Anfield in the Championship, and will probably bounce right back into the Premiership the following year. G&H clearly don't care about the tradition, history or even long-term future of the club - they just want to get as much money as they can back, so maybe they've calculated that relegation is a more profitable way to go than being forced to sell out now and lock in their loss.

In a way, a year in the Championship might turn out to be the footballing equivalent of going into administration - look at Newcastle this season, for example. A chance to rebuild and come back stronger.

You speak, of course, from personal experience of ManYoo being relegated in 1974...  ;D   (OK, just kidding, you're not old enough to actually remember that.)

But seriously, no, IIRC even the bottom club makes over 20 million pounds out of its share of TV revenue, while the 40 million in parachute payments is spread over 3 years, and in what chunks I can't remember, although I think in the first year down the club receives more than in the next year, and so on.  But either way from the maths you can see it almost certainly won't be more than 20M. 

(As an aside, the figures are why it is said that the most valuable match in the world is the Championship play-off, since the "prize money" for winning the game is the 20M TV revenue share during the following one year in the EPL, and 40M in parachute payments the next three.  Not to mention enhanced match-day earnings as a Premiership club.)

The other big difference is the Newcs didn't have any real world-class players in their squad when they went down, so hanging onto most of the squad wasn't too difficult.  In contrast if LFC went down, they would certainly lose Torres, and would probably lose Gerrard as well, although he just might do a Batistuta, if he's truly the born-and-bred Red that he claims he is.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on October 11, 2010, 19:23
'Arry feels SORRY for Hicks and Gillett???
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/sunsport_columnists/3168695/Harry-Redknapp-on-the-Liverpool-takeover.html

What a twit.  "All they seem to have done is plough a fortune into the place and they stand to lose a fortune when they sell it."  What nonsense, it was all borrowed money, wasn't it?  They didn't actually stump up their own dosh. 

Just have a look at the comments at Who At All The Pies:-
http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/tottenham_hotspur/46049/harry-redknapp-feels-sorry-for-hicks-gillett.html
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: yellowhandman on October 11, 2010, 19:50
But seriously, no, IIRC even the bottom club makes over 20 million pounds out of its share of TV revenue, while the 40 million in parachute payments is spread over 3 years, and in what chunks I can't remember, although I think in the first year down the club receives more than in the next year, and so on.  But either way from the maths you can see it almost certainly won't be more than 20M. 


Even if it is less per year, the main thing is that they would make enough to keep servicing their debt while keeping control of the club and having an assured cash flow (from the parachute payment). While the bottom club gets 20 million pounds, that's a minimum amount that you can only get once, because after that you are relegated. So think of it this way...

Relegation = 20m share of TV money + 40m parachute payment CONFIRMED = 60m over next three years. Plus relegation would justify selling off Torres and Gerard and allow them to get by with relatively cheaper players and still be competitive in the Championship - that's another 100m income probably.

In comparison, staying up and fighting for mid-table positions would mean having to spend money for new players to keep the team strong, assuming Torres and Gerard are not sold.


Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Momenta on October 11, 2010, 21:44
Of course, speaking as a United fan, I just want to see Liverpool relegated.  ;D

Man U fans, it is still early to see who has the last laugh. Pls be reminded that Man U is in deeper shits (or debts) than Liverpool.  The owner, also Americans, has refinanced the club's debt with more debts of ard 700m pounds. This make your club to be in the reds due to int exp and costs in raising new debts, even though the club make record profits (xcludg it & other borrowings related costs).  Come next yr when the new regulations are in force, clubs which are making losses for 3 consecutive years, they are not allowed to buy new players and disqualified from Champion League or any european competition.

On the other hand, if the sales on Liverpool goes thru, it will almost take away the 200+M debts and club will be only left small wrkg cap loans.

But the sad thing is, the new owner is reported to give 20m to RH for Jan window. OMG, what can 20m buys nowsaday.  Another crap player like Lucas, Babel, Ah Gua and the list goes on. So the new owner is not that generous after all.  sigh.........
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: yellowhandman on October 11, 2010, 21:56
Come next yr when the new regulations are in force, clubs which are making losses for 3 consecutive years, they are not allowed to buy new players and disqualified from Champion League or any european competition.

Thank you, please play again - UEFA's rules are based on operating profit...that's why Man CITY are in danger, whereas United are not because operating expenses are kept under control.


Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Momenta on October 11, 2010, 23:18
Thank you, please play again - UEFA's rules are based on operating profit...that's why Man CITY are in danger, whereas United are not because operating expenses are kept under control.

From what I read, Man City owner has written off the club's £305MILLION debts. Likewise, from what I understand, Chelsea debts were also written off by owner.  So clearly, these clubs are indebted to their owners and not to other financial institutions. 

As reported : "United have posted an overall loss of £83.6m after the costs associated with the club's massive debt wiped out record operating profits of over £100m for the year. Unfortunately once they had made interest and other payments to service the £500 million debt – now £521.7m - the whole picture did a complete about turn. They posted a record loss £83.6m which was occasioned by the manner in which the Glazer family structured the takeover of the club. In essence making the club responsible for the bulk of the debts. Malcolm Glazer purchased the 28.7 percent stake held by McManus and Magnier in May 2005 thereby acquiring a controlling interest. It was made through his investment vehicle Red Football Ltd in a highly leveraged takeover valuing the club at approximately £800 million.

In July 2006, the club announced a £660 million debt refinancing package, resulting in a 30 percent reduction in annual interest payments to £62 million a year.

In January 2010 with debts of £716.5 million United further refinanced via a bond issue worth £504 million, enabling them to pay off most of the £509 million owed to international banks.

The annual interest payable on the bonds – which mature on 1 February 2017 – is approximately £45 million per annum.

Overall this leaves Liverpool in a better financial position than Manchester United should the proverbial hit the fan.

If, for example, the debts were called and the Glazers pulled out with no white knight in place the Old Trafford club could be wiped out. That as opposed to Liverpool where decline rather than implosion are the result of their shareholders approach.

In addition to service £45 million per annum requires United remaining successful and always ensuring that they remain frugal in the transfer market.

As seen above despite refinancing, record operating profits and a reasonable season they posted record losses."

So which club is in a dangerous position, the facts speak for itself.


Title: Singapore billionaire Peter Lim is preparing a new and improved bid for Liverpoo
Post by: cn9601 on October 12, 2010, 13:47
How nice  ;)  Then we will have LFC academy in Spore, and REDs jersey will be more affordable  ;D


http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_6439343,00.html
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on October 12, 2010, 16:14
Even if it is less per year, the main thing is that they would make enough to keep servicing their debt while keeping control of the club and having an assured cash flow (from the parachute payment). While the bottom club gets 20 million pounds, that's a minimum amount that you can only get once, because after that you are relegated. So think of it this way...

Relegation = 20m share of TV money + 40m parachute payment CONFIRMED = 60m over next three years. Plus relegation would justify selling off Torres and Gerard and allow them to get by with relatively cheaper players and still be competitive in the Championship - that's another 100m income probably.

In comparison, staying up and fighting for mid-table positions would mean having to spend money for new players to keep the team strong, assuming Torres and Gerard are not sold.

Still does not compute.  Staying in the EPL is a CONFIRMED 20M per year for the next three years, more if they place higher, and without the uncertainty of needing to win promotion before the parachute payments run out.  And no risk of affecting other revenue, which could easily drop.  I agree that costs would be an issue since they'd have to keep the team reasonably strong, but relegation would also mean a fire-sale of prize assets, whereas worst case (from a financial point of view, not football and relegation) they can still demand a reasonably good price if they cash in Torres and sell him to Barca or Real.

In essence, one way forward would be for LFC to do what the likes of Everton, Bolton and Fulham have been doing the last 10 years, i.e. just enough to stay up, preferably comfortably mid-table, while they rebuild.  Or what arguably Arsenal have been doing at a slightly higher level for the past 6 years, i.e top 4/qualify for ECL each season and sort-of challenge for the title but without being one of the favourites nor actually win it.

At the rate ManYoo's debt seems to be ballooning and not going down, it may well be that ManYoo also enter a similar phase, i.e. just enough to stay in top 4 but not to actually win.  Yes, everybody keeps going on about the 163M pound pot of cash that Fergie allegedly refused to spend, but for all we know that's earmarked as the Glazer's rainy-day fund and it isn't actually available to Fergie. 

Is "operating profit" actually defined as EBITDA?  I can imagine UEFA's rules actually sticking interest on loans back into the mix.  Apparently their anti-financial-doping rules are something like 85 pages long, according to a recent Guardian podcast, and they do include things like banning overly lucrative sponsorship deals from related companies, e.g. Citeh's owners can't, for instance, do a shirt sponsorship deal with Abu Dhabi's tourism bureau for a ridiculous sum of, say 100M per season, which is clearly well above market value. 
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Momenta on October 13, 2010, 09:27
Dun think Mr Lim is likely to be successful in his bid as the Board has already agreed with a deal with the NESV.  However, shld the Court ruled the sale transaction decided by the Board as ineffective and Club goes into administration, then maybe RBS might pick Peter Lim's bid if there is no improved offer from NESV.

But I thought Mr Lim is a Man U fan and owns the franchise of Man U restaurants.  If he really wins the bid, the Man U fan base here will have lots to says that Man U saves the days for Liverpool. Arrghhh....................
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: landis on October 13, 2010, 09:48
But I thought Mr Lim is a Man U fan

it is all business to him ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on October 13, 2010, 10:37
NESV prob can add better long term value for the club than our Mr Lim...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on October 13, 2010, 11:01
But I thought Mr Lim is a Man U fan and owns the franchise of Man U restaurants.  If he really wins the bid, the Man U fan base here will have lots to says that Man U saves the days for Liverpool. Arrghhh....................

ST just says he holds the franchise for ManYoo cafes here, doesn't say whether he's a dirty Manc personally or not.  After all, the previously holders of the franchise were FJ Benjamin, and IIRC the director of FJB who ran that particular business is actually a Red.

In the immortal words of The Godfather, "it's nothing personal, just business".  If you think about it, it would be fair to assume that every professional footballer was a boyhood fan of some club, since he clearly had a strong interest in football, but how many actually go on to play for the clubs they supported?  Of course some do, (in)famously the likes of Beckham, Gerrard, Rooney etc, but many never do, or they do and then move on (e.g. Becks, Shrek, and Cashley Cole).  How many Reds were boyhood Evertonians and vice-versa? 
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: yellowhandman on October 13, 2010, 11:13
NESV prob can add better long term value for the club than our Mr Lim...

Actually I'd argue that Peter Lim can probably add more value, given his business ties in Asia (including his experience with the United franchise). In comparison, NESV is primarily an American company, with experience mainly in American sports. Despite many efforts, no English team has managed to 'break' the US market, whereas there is clearly a lot of money to be made from commercial tie-ups in football-mad Asia.

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on October 13, 2010, 12:20
He has only piece meal experience in the sports retail and franchise, plus he has too many things to distract. While owning and running a major sports club is another game altogether, as compared with trading and other buy/ sell activities. I would think he can add value if he is a co-owner/ shareholder rather than a sole owner.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on October 13, 2010, 12:57
http://multimedia.foxsports.com/m/video/34664786/soccer-talk-live-joe-scarborough.htm?r_src=ramp

"...the red sox management...their offices were like shrines to Liverpool..."  :o he said uncle roy  :D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on October 13, 2010, 13:54
As an aside, in case anyone's wondering, the English High Cout judge who is deciding the case, Mr Justice Floyd (previously Christopher Floyd QC), is a Crystal Palace fan, though not a die hard one I think.  So he wouldn't be biased one way or another.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on October 13, 2010, 17:46
17:42 13Oct10 HIGH COURT JUDGE BACKS CREDITOR RBS IN LIVERPOOL  OWNERSHIP BATTLE
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on October 13, 2010, 17:47
Mr Justice Floyd has just granted the mandatory injunction sought by RBS, so the sale to NESV can proceed.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on October 13, 2010, 18:15
11.07am: We will be fleshing out more detail of the court ruling over the next few hours. The judge seems to be allowing a breakneck speed to the sale process, which is what RBS and the board wanted. Will H&G appeal? Have they time to? Even if they do, can it halt the sale? Will NESV wish to proceed if new litigation is hanging? Lots of questions, hopefully some answers in the coming hours....

11.05am: The board also want court costs paid by H&G.

11.04am: Judge rules that owners should pay RBS costs.

11.02am: Broughton wants a board meeting by 8pm today to sort out the sale and there is a dispute over whether the owners will be able to communicate via phone. The owners' QC is asking for the meeting to take place at ten o'clock tomorrow. Judge rules that it should be at 8 today.

11.01am: RBS want the owners to cover their court costs. Wonder how much they are?

10.59am: More detail:

The high court today granted injunctions that could open the way for the prompt sale of Liverpool.

The club's owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett asked a judge to delay the hearing of an application by creditors Royal Bank of Scotland for mandatory orders paving the way for a possible sale this week. But the plea was rejected by Mr Justice

At RBS's request, the judge imposed injunctions on the two men requiring them to restore the original constitutions of the companies and managing directors.

This removes the final stumbling block to a £300m takeover by New England Sports Ventures which will see the RBS recoup its original £237m loan to Mr Hicks and Mr Gillett when they bought the club in March 2007.

10.54am: Judge throws out attempt by owners to have interim injunction put on board.

10.50am: The injunction means the board is reconstituted with Purslow and Ayre back in place and Broughton allowed to see through the sale, reports Sachin Nakrani

10.49am: Mr Justice Floyd: "The owners do not have an absolute right to veto a sale."

10.43am: Judge rules against H&G, which means NESV deal can proceed. We will try and flesh out the details and ramifications...

10.42am: JUDGE RULES MANDATORY INJUNCTION WANTED BY RBS AGAINST OWNERS IS GRANTED: SALE CAN GO AHEAD
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on October 13, 2010, 18:26
Made my day  ;)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on October 13, 2010, 18:46
is it over yet? or should I stay in hibernation

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on October 13, 2010, 19:31
How interesting - "Chairman Broughton has confirmed that there is no guarantee that NESV will be successful in their efforts, with the Liverpool board yet to sit down and discuss the latest developments."

From earlier indication that NESV is 'confirmed' the buyer, now we can weigh option  ;D

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=831953&sec=england&cc=4716
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6442951,00.html

Even this afternoon mgmt meeting, we spent 'some time' talking about LFC takeover. Not that the people were interested in my favorite LFC, it was Singaporean Peter Lim that we gossiped abt his 'richness' and his biz conflicting interest in 'Mei-U'.

Anyway, hopefully the new buyer could be put in place before tis Sunday derby match. and hopefully ervybody can move on and start WINNING for REDS goodness sake  8)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: yellowhandman on October 13, 2010, 19:40
With all sincerity, I congratulate Liverpool fans on being free of the American parasites. Owners like these don't belong in football. They make the Glazers look like Santa Claus by comparison!

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on October 13, 2010, 19:50
"October 2010 - Liverpool announce they have received two ''excellent'' bids, but Hicks and Gillett attempt to oust Purslow and Ayre to prevent a sale. The following day, Liverpool confirm they have accepted a bid, believed to be £300 million, from John W. Henry's New England Sports Ventures (NESV), who also own the Boston Red Sox baseball team. Singaporean businessman Peter Lim also puts in a bid believed to be £320 million.

The club are taken to the High Court by Hicks and Gillett, but the judge rules in favour of Liverpool and refuses the Americans a right to appeal against the decision. It is revealed NESV have signed a ''legally binding'' agreement to buy the club."

So does it mean LFC board can still turn down the commitment to sell to NESV?

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=831953&sec=england&cc=4716
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on October 13, 2010, 20:36
It is revealed NESV have signed a ''legally binding'' agreement to buy the club."

So does it mean LFC board can still turn down the commitment to sell to NESV?

If it is in fact "legally binding", then the answer would be no, otherwise they'd be sued for breach of contract.  What I did find curious was suggestions that Peter Lim and/or Mill Financial, the other bidders, might sue for damages as well had H&G prevailed, but that seems very odd in the circumstances since the LFC board would not have made more than one binding agreement to sell.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: yellowhandman on October 13, 2010, 21:17
I think the catch may be that, as owners, Gillett and Hicks did have the power to sack the board members. However, as the exercise of that power was in breach of an agreement with RBS (not the board members personally), they have now been ordered to re-appoint those board members.

In other words, at the time that the three-man board (minus Gillett and Hicks) met and accepted NESV's offer, two of the three board members present were not legally board members, and thus the trio did not actually have the power to sell the club. Hence the need to call an immediate board meeting today to vote again on the offer, now that the board members have been reinstated.

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Pingu on October 13, 2010, 23:33
With all sincerity, I congratulate Liverpool fans on being free of the American parasites. Owners like these don't belong in football. They make the Glazers look like Santa Claus by comparison!

Were they really? Parasites, I mean.I never did follow this saga closely but I wonder...  They came in thinking this would be a good investment. Turned out it wasnt. So they fought all the way to salvage their investments, which were considerable I believe. Not sure whether the Glazers would do anything different if in the same shoes. These Americans are not quite the same as Abramovich or the Sheik at City. They are in it for the money,little else.

Sorry, but I think part (perhaps even the main) problem is Liverpool FC itself. The club simply is in decline, living off its glorious past. Even the manager constantly talks about how the present squad is so short of quality. What kind of morale are the players gonna have? Its always about more money to buy more and more players.Where is it all gonna come from? Anfield? Merchandising? Sorry but Liverpool is no ManU. How much investments will be needed to turn things around? Frankly I dont think a 'mere' billionaire like Peter Lim could have afforded it.

(I suppose I'm asking for it... :-\)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Momenta on October 14, 2010, 16:46
The saga continued :-
http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/14/texas-court-halts-liverpool-sale-to-n-e-s-v/

so these damned bastard american owners aren't resigned to leave the club quietly.  so cum fri, RBS will exercise its right to put the club in adminstration and guess we will be play coca cola league nax season.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on October 14, 2010, 17:20
so these damned bastard american owners aren't resigned to leave the club quietly.  so cum fri, RBS will exercise its right to put the club in adminstration and guess we will be play coca cola league nax season.

Oh ye of little faith, have you so little confidence in your own team?

Even if Liverpool are forced into administration and a 9-pt penalty is applied, IMHO this just means no chance of qualifying for Europa league (ECL was never realistic anyway).  Given the usual "40 pts for survival" maxim, do you seriously think Liverpool can't rack up 50-odd points (before deduction)?  It just means they'll finish in the bottom half, is all.

Many years ago, probably 1982, apparently Liverpool were 20th (3rd from bottom back then) and in the relegation zone when the first league table of the season was printed -- back then they didn't publish tables until 4 games into the season.  But by the end of the season Liverpool were champions.

Returning to the main topic of discussion, it smacks of desperation that Hicks & Gillett went running to a Texan court, which has very little connection to the dispute, especially since an English court has already ruled on the matter.  But it does jam things up for a while.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: vieri on October 14, 2010, 17:22
The saga continued :-
http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/14/texas-court-halts-liverpool-sale-to-n-e-s-v/

so these damned bastard american owners aren't resigned to leave the club quietly.  so cum fri, RBS will exercise its right to put the club in adminstration and guess we will be play coca cola league nax season.

Bro
If Liverpool goes into adminstration, does that means the sale to NESV is off?

H&G are just VCs. They borrowed money to buy the club in hoping to sell it later. They have no plans nor money to atcually build a new stadium. Poor sods.
The best outcome for this debacle, regardless if Liverpool are docked 9 pts,  is for H&G to lose their 144mil & get sticks up their american bottom.
Running a football club is very different from running themed bars / restaurants.

vieri
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Pingu on October 14, 2010, 18:08

Returning to the main topic of discussion, it smacks of desperation that Hicks & Gillett went running to a Texan court, which has very little connection to the dispute, especially since an English court has already ruled on the matter.  But it does jam things up for a while.

I wonder on what basis they established jurisdiction. Simply because 1 party is American/Texan? Why should an American court's injunction have any effect on RBS or LFC? Seems like a real circus with lawyers laughing all the way... ;)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on October 14, 2010, 20:05
They'll go thru the high court process again to invalidate the US court order, hope H+G doesn't go to international arbitration next.....

"Liverpool will attempt to injunct against the restraining order by clamining that a court in Texas has no jurisdiction to rule on a United Kingdom business. It is thought that Liverpool will appoint lawyers in Texas as soon as business begins in the US on Thursday to overturn the court action."

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=832138&sec=england&cc=4716

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Momenta on October 14, 2010, 20:29
i do know liverpool can do better than 50 pts. but shld the club goes into administration, the morales of the players, will hit rock bottom and we may stand to lose star players, either they slapped in transfer request or being forced to sell to generate cash to repy debts.

with no star players, we will be left with the inexperienced team and clueless RH. so i dun think RH has the chrisma to charm the reserve players to play like stars and win games. it cld be RH will be sacked before season end.

but cum to think of it, if liverpool relegates, the bastard american will probably get 1 pound for the sale of club1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on October 14, 2010, 21:42
http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=19263637745db84778f51f1aae8a3cb2&topic=264621.0

Hicks came up with a fantastically high valuation for the club when nobody came up with more than 300 million in the last six months. This valuation of 800 million from Forbes is what he is using for his 'epic swindle' argument in the Texas district court and his contention that FBR were willing to 'offer' 600 million.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on October 15, 2010, 11:00
i do know liverpool can do better than 50 pts. but shld the club goes into administration, the morales of the players, will hit rock bottom and we may stand to lose star players, either they slapped in transfer request or being forced to sell to generate cash to repy debts.

with no star players, we will be left with the inexperienced team and clueless RH. so i dun think RH has the chrisma to charm the reserve players to play like stars and win games. it cld be RH will be sacked before season end.

Actually, I wonder if the opposite would happen: the 'red-till-I-die' players would be galvanised to get Liverpool out of the mess, and at least the uncertainty of who were the owners should end, assuming of course that upon administration, RBS can then sell to (presumably) NESV.

And ironically it's been suggested that Woy would do better with non-star players.  His previous teams were all about organization and being well-drilled, which means lots of hours on the training pitch and repeated drills, which superstar players are less keen on, since they think they're too good for that.  Lesser players wouldn't have that attitude.

I wonder on what basis they established jurisdiction. Simply because 1 party is American/Texan? Why should an American court's injunction have any effect on RBS or LFC? Seems like a real circus with lawyers laughing all the way... ;)

The injunction probably wouldn't affect LFC until they tried to continue expansion of commercial activities in USA.  But RBS already does business in America, and they wouldn't want a contempt of court allegation hanging over them.  NESV are of course American to begin with.  And Broughton is chairman of BA, so would occasionallly have reason to go to America.

Apparently one ground cited was that Broughton met with Hicks a few times in Texas. But yes, it all just smacks of forum-shopping, and desperation by H&G.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Momenta on October 15, 2010, 14:12
Bro Armoury, i do hope that the players are as passionate as yourself to make sure that the club does not get into deeper mess. But looking at their recent performances, it makes me think that they not so committed to the club.

In fact, it will be total sadness to me to see the club i supported since my childhood days to move down to the next division.  Some of my frens who are Man Yoo supporters are gloating that the club is a "substandard asset" and it will be a miracle that liverpool will remain in premier league next season. 

I hope the sales saga end soon and the new owner stay committed to the well being of the club.  Until then, we can start rebuilding the team and hopefully, the sleeping giant finally waken and then, we are able to see the resurgence of the REDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: yellowhandman on October 15, 2010, 17:23
Mwahahahahah...Bro Momenta, I think Armoury would hardly be sad if Liverpool go down, and he certainly isn't passionate about Liverpool not getting into a deeper mess.

Ask yourself - what's another word for 'armoury'...?

Bro Armoury, i do hope that the players are as passionate as yourself to make sure that the club does not get into deeper mess. But looking at their recent performances, it makes me think that they not so committed to the club.

In fact, it will be total sadness to me to see the club i supported since my childhood days to move down to the next division.  Some of my frens who are Man Yoo supporters are gloating that the club is a "substandard asset" and it will be a miracle that liverpool will remain in premier league next season. 

I hope the sales saga end soon and the new owner stay committed to the well being of the club.  Until then, we can start rebuilding the team and hopefully, the sleeping giant finally waken and then, we are able to see the resurgence of the REDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on October 15, 2010, 17:32
Bro Armoury, i do hope that the players are as passionate as yourself to make sure that the club does not get into deeper mess. But looking at their recent performances, it makes me think that they not so committed to the club.

In fact, it will be total sadness to me to see the club i supported since my childhood days to move down to the next division.  Some of my frens who are Man Yoo supporters are gloating that the club is a "substandard asset" and it will be a miracle that liverpool will remain in premier league next season. 

On this I'm not passionate at all, I'm not a Red.  But I do respect Liverpool FC as an institution (unlike a certain other club at the other end of the M62), and I'd hope that professional football players who also happen to be fans of the clubs they play for have a lot more self-respect than many think.

ManYoo fans shouldn't be too gleeful.  Their finances are even worse, even though their revenue stream (for now) is apparently big enough to cover the tide of red ink hemorrhaging out of there.

Mwahahahahah...Bro Momenta, I think Armoury would hardly be sad if Liverpool go down, and he certainly isn't passionate about Liverpool not getting into a deeper mess.

Ask yourself - what's another word for 'armoury'...?

I see my friend YHM posted while I drafted my reply above.  Actually, believe it or not I would be slighly sad to see LFC go down.  As stated above I've always respected them as an institution,and it is a sad commentary on the state of affairs in English football that a club as storied as Liverpool is in the trouble they are in. 

On the other hand, I will buy you (YHM) a bottle of 18-yr Scotch, for you to drown your sorrows in if ManYoo are ever relegated, while I celebrate...  Likewise I'll buy our friend CP tipple of his choice if Chelski go down.  Of course, admittedly neither is likely, at least not in the next 20 years.  But then again, 20 years ago when Liverpool were champions, who would have predicted this mess?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on October 15, 2010, 22:46
3.37pm: "Just leaving #LFC training ground. Spirits are high. Either the Prem table is upside down or Hicks/Gillett regime is over," tweets Oliver Kay of the Times

...hehe

3.52pm: "Deal done! #LFC sold to NESV," tweets Bloombergs @tariqpanja
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on October 15, 2010, 23:00
3:59 The Editor: We are awaiting a full statement on the deal shortly but it looks like the deal is finally done 

been monitoring this 'live' update.

http://www.skysports.com/live-chat
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: francis wu on October 15, 2010, 23:14
Channel News Asia just reported that Liverpool sold to NESV!!........ :D :D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on October 15, 2010, 23:22
 ;D  so you're back (brought any diamonds back?)

Its de rigueur for new owners to splash for new player/players  ;D

"PSV Eindhoven midfielder Ibrahim Afellay has issued a come-and-get-me plea to Liverpool and Some-Other-Club"
- anybody watch him...Ibrahim and Huntelaar take apart Sweden midweek

and possibly Pedro!  ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on October 15, 2010, 23:38
New England Sports Ventures announces that it has completed the purchase of Liverpool Football Club. NESV wishes to extend its sincere gratitude to the Board of Liverpool FC for their diligence and their efforts on behalf of the Club and its supporters.


The transaction values the Club at £300m and eliminates all of the acquisition debt placed on LFC by its previous owners, reducing the Club's debt servicing obligations from £25m-£30m a year to £2m-£3m.


New England Sports Ventures is committed to winning and currently owns a portfolio of companies, including the Boston Red Sox, New England Sports Network, Fenway Sports Group and Roush Fenway Racing.

NESV Principal Owner John Henry said:

"On behalf of the entire NESV partnership, I want to express how incredibly proud and humbled we are to be confirmed as the new owners of Liverpool FC. We regard our role as that of stewards for the Club with a primary focus on returning the Club to greatness on and off the field for the long-term. We are committed first and foremost to winning. We have a history of winning, and today we want LFC supporters to know that this approach is what we intend to bring to this great Club."

Liverpool FC Chairman Martin Broughton, said:

"I am delighted that we have been able to successfully conclude the sale process which has been thorough and extensive. The Board decided to accept NESV's offer on the basis that it best met the criteria we set out originally for a new owner. NESV is buying Liverpool in order to put it on an excellent financial footing and continue to develop it internationally. This is a good deal which comprehensively resolves the pressing issue of the Club's debt and should give staff, players and fans great confidence regarding the future of Liverpool FC."

NESV Chairman Thomas Werner said:

"We recognize that Liverpool Football Club is an historic institution ultimately grounded in the community and the fans. Our first step as new owners will be to listen. We want to hear from the Manager and the players and those who are part of the daily operation of the Club. We will be visible at Anfield and will embrace and listen to those who have stood by this Club and who are the rock on which its future success will be built. We want to hear from the fans, local leaders and the local community. We want to hear from those who know LFC best, who have made it the best and share our desire to return to a culture of winning.

NESV is committed to creating a long-term, financially strong foundation for the Club and dedicated to ensuring the Club has the financial resources to be successful again and attract the best players. To that end, the transaction has been structured in such a way as to eliminate all of the acquisition debt on the Club.

In the coming days and months, NESV will work closely with the LFC executive team to listen and learn about every facet of the organization. During this time, the new owners will begin to look at areas for greatest opportunity to increase the appeal of the Club nationally and internationally. NESV wants to once again create a culture and environment to allow people to excel at the Club on every front. During this period, NESV will also begin to examine opportunities to enhance the matchday experience in the short-term, while also carefully studying the various long-term options that may be possible.

Mr Henry and Mr Werner added:

"We are eager to commence with our plan, spend time with the organization, its leadership, its supporters, and the local communities. We will take these steps alongside the Club's executives with a shared objective of stabilizing the Club and ultimately returning Liverpool FC to its rightful place in English and European football, successful and competing for trophies."

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/liverpool-fc-sold-to-nesv
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on October 16, 2010, 14:13
*whew* (for now)

wonder what's gonna happen to the Standards Corrupted campaign
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Momenta on October 17, 2010, 01:48
Think Man Yoo has caught the bug from liverpool. Losing points on team that they should be able to beat at home. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Momenta on October 17, 2010, 07:09
Swee ah, chelsea also dropped points.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

 Being held at 0-0 draw at villa. well done Houlier
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: silencer13 on October 17, 2010, 21:44
2-0 down to Everton now.... nails and coffins come to mind.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on October 17, 2010, 21:59
what I'd give for a little invention.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on October 17, 2010, 22:12
Not too sure it is the players' doing or manager's style, the reds don't seem to build up and pass themselves into attacking positions, instead just squaring and crossing high balls into the middle and trying the probable chance.Thought this is so outdated game plan, something that teams used to do a lot in the big league soccer days of the 70s/80s....

2 seasons ago when they were doing well, they build up and pass themselves into great scoring positions (esp Gerrard-Torres combo).

If this is the style set by RH, then he is clearly the bottleneck in the team. Also, pay attention to all his comments... all tend to be very qualitative, none tactical nor technical, may be it's a real reflection of his shallow capability.

On the other hand, it's also fair to say that Everton has played an outstanding game, it was not that Liverpool handed over the victory, more that L'pool was ineffective while Everton live up to good form.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on October 17, 2010, 23:09
I wouldn't say Roy's not capable, the man has taken unglamorous teams to the World Cup; Anyone could probably take Spain to the world Cup with one arm tied behind his back, but Switzerland? That takes some doing.

However he does seem to be out of his depth at Anfield.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on October 17, 2010, 23:37
There's a big difference between a manager who starts with lower expectation and has the luxury of time to build up and develop a good squad from scratch, versus one who can be thrown into a complicated situation, sort out the issues quickly & emerge an effective leader and squad. I'd say RH fits the shoe on the former, but totally uncomfortable on the latter. So it's a case of wrong fit for the job.

If he were to move on from L'pool (Henry's call now...) and guide another lower profile club in the 1st or 2nd division, probably he would do very well again. He's just not a paratrooper that's all.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on October 17, 2010, 23:48
quote from from Liverpoolfc.tv forum, seems very direct at the point:

"We got a lesson in football from Everton today. They bullied us all over the park. Never looked panicked in defence and when they had the ball they drove at us and used the space effectively. When they had their chances they took them well. Everton without a doubt deserved the three points.

Us however, just so many negatives. Except for Gerrard every player seemed to be afraid to have the ball past the half way line.

Our players barely found a forward pass in the first forty five minutes. Take Gerrard out of the equation and how many times did we pass the ball forward?

Just one clear cut chance in the whole game.

Konchesky and Carragher provided width without ever going to the byline.

Konchesky got roasted by Seamus Coleman.

Lucas was shocking.

Despite us being shocking for the entire game it took Roy over 70 minutes to make a change. The last two came with just 15 minutes to spare. What was the point with Everton nicely settled in their own half with a 2 goal cushion?

Hodgson didn't look like he had a clue, didn't seem to realise he was managing Liverpool in a Merseyside derby and didn't seem to care that we were getting beat by our local rivals. The whole thing was shocking on our behalf and I now feel even after just 8 games that I have seen enough.

So far to sum up Roy Hodgson's reign, no hope, no desire, no urgency, no results.

I really hope that he proves me (and others) wrong."
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: landis on October 18, 2010, 00:02
(i say) give him (RH) time to restructure rebuild reform the team. rome was not built in a day
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: jerms on October 18, 2010, 00:36
WOY "I DON'T THINK IT IS A CRISIS"
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: yellowhandman on October 18, 2010, 01:08
(i say) give him (RH) time to restructure rebuild reform the team. rome was not built in a day

It's not building Rome that is the issue...it's the decline and fall of the empire that Liverpool fans need to worry about.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Pingu on October 18, 2010, 12:26
It's not building Rome that is the issue...it's the decline and fall of the empire that Liverpool fans need to worry about.


livin' it up I see... ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dude on October 18, 2010, 14:58
I wanted to watch the match, but by all accounts, it may have been better not to have seen the debacle.

Gerrard will unfortunately retire as one of the all-time Liverpool greats not to have won the League.

Having seen the first 3 or 4 matches, I guessed that Roy was a manager of 2 halves - very poor in the first half, much better in the 2nd.

He seems to be at a loss on what is best. Granted, we have had some injuries, and the current players are a legacy of that fat waiter now working in Milan, but at the very least, he needs to know how he wants the team to play.

If you want to set up the team to be counter-attacking, then put up a wall to protect the back four, with 2 box to box players to support Torres (or whichever other striker is fit to play).

Right now, the team is just meandering aimlessly, and it shows in the games. Liverpool need a forceful personality who knows what he wants in such times, so that the players can rally around and follow the tactics.

In all the descriptions of Roy, none have been about him being a forceful personality. Just that he is a very nice and knowledgeable.

I was prepared to give him time, but unless we win the next 2 games to finish Oct on a high, the pressure will be even more, and assurance or not, his position will be even under more scrutiny, and likely to be sacked.

Now, if that happens, who would be the best to lead Liverpool? I'm now sure Dalglish is the best...too out of touch...and the types of players now on the payroll are different from when he was in charge...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Momenta on October 18, 2010, 16:52
Juz read an interesting article that Rooney wants out immediately.  So the issues at man you has started to get "exciting" lately too.

In my opinion, a mgr who has lead a team, with combination of star and average players, only managed to win 1 game, lost 4 and draw 3, is not up to standard. If you look at the goals tally, liverpool is letting in more goals than scored.  The serious problem that I observed over past games is that Liverpool are not attacking enough and they are usually seen stroking the ball at their own half. So if that is the tactics Hodgson employs and liverpool continued to lose in the next few games, then I guess he mike find himself applying for unemployed benefits soon. At the end of the days, the fans pay a hefty ticket to watch the Reds to play beautiful attacking football and not their passing skills.  If you look at the fans' expressions yday, they are totally disappointed and their patience is running thin with Hodgson.  my feel is that they will stage a protest to demand the immediate sacking of RH if liverpool lost to blackburn this weekend.

As for who will replace Hodgson, short term measure will be Dalgish to be put as a caretaker mgr while they search for a permanent replacement.  So the cheap option that I can think of would be Martin O'Neil who has quitted Villa b4 the start of this season. Otr than him and on assumption that NESV is not spending big for new mgr, i think there isn't any other available options.

If you look at what Harry Rednapp done at Spurs, the team he inherited is not as strong as Liverpool but he managed to win games and keep Spurs at the premier league in his first half year of mgt with spurs.  
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on October 19, 2010, 20:43
am very sure every good REDS fan is 'helping' to identify the terrible cause of recent EPL games.
For me, oredi start to think Roy's formula is not working - after 8 games....huh?

I have been noticing midfield is crappy, though the back line is neither good, but midfield is crazy, confusing, messy......PREDICTABLE

Somehow I start to see the midfield is NOT MOVING FAST ENUIFF and every often losing the 2nd ball!

Oways a good example - Lucas!!! Statistically, it takes him almost 2-3secs to decide to make a predicatable pass, and oways pass to the other team. Worse, Lucas doesnt move around before he decides to pass!! Compared to Stevie, Stevie will move the ball around while looking for 'someone', this is the type of unpredicatable move and pass!!! The problem is the rest are not moving around --> literally everybody is so predictable in their moves and positions!!! Maybe everybody is still trying to understand Roy's formula, thus creating such laggy sense of position!!!

PS: I really miss Alonso's long, unpredictable, accurate pass. Even Pepe Reina has less of long throw or long kick --> people are not moving fast!

I give up........

Right now, the team is just meandering aimlessly, and it shows in the games. Liverpool need a forceful personality who knows what he wants in such times, so that the players can rally around and follow the tactics.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on October 19, 2010, 21:20
RH is doing copy wholesale of his little success at Fulham in the prior season, in which the lack of individual talents and playmakers are made up by teamwork perfections.

Now at L'pool, there are better pool of individual talents. However, instead of mapping out a more aggresive game plan building around the flairs of these better players (I mean as compared with those at Fulham), RH is trying to get them to play a more formulated style, forcing the players to adapt to one that they are totally unfamiliar with. At the end of day, players are lost, RH is lost, but opponent teams are very clear of this uncomfortable situation, and are fully exploiting it.... closing in to challenge the Reds deep in the field to regain possession, swift passing and swift counter attack moves while the Reds are figuring out how to cover their position & grounds. All teams have been very successful playing against L'pool this way.

The more serious problem is that RH is out of ideal how to control and adapt his strategy on and off the field. He is often seen to be rather frustrated during the first 3/4 of a game wondering why the team is not effecting his prescribed drills, and then the last 1/4 of game waking up to try to counter react the situation. His style and method is just not going to work with a big club like Liverpool.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on October 19, 2010, 21:33
PS: I really miss Alonso's long, unpredictable, accurate pass. Even Pepe Reina has less of long throw or long kick --> people are not moving fast!

I actually doubt so even if he were to be around. He would probably also struggle and fall very deep in the field, for trying to comply with RH's drill, and also has limited options to create attacking passes since everyone else are being shadowed, or are easily losing posession of the ball.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on October 19, 2010, 21:55
huh huh huh... laughing my back off after reading these words of wisdom from RH:

(http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/5256/bpl1.jpg)

taken from BPL post match interview
http://www.premierleague.com/page/Headlines/0,,12306~2189038,00.html

Can someone please tell me is he teaching primary school boy football or is he coaching Liverpool FC ??
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on October 19, 2010, 22:48
reading and hearing Roy's pre-match, durng match expression, after-match start to map out a manager who doesnt know his size of shoe of he's wearing  >:(

If I recall correctly, he says a manager of his credentials has proven he is worthy for REDS, and his previous formula has worked well, and he is confident the same formula can be adapted at LFC to get the club back to CL. OMG?!  OK, I was bought into it initially, and was willing to give this guy some space to express his formula.

After 8 games, and having to see the team play formula - messy, lost souls, predictable, indecisive.....Rafa had frequent strange team sheet. Roy lei? I dun even know wat the hell he's trying to do. Oways predictable messy 1st half, 2nd half more organised after 10mins or so, esp. going with 4-4-2.......but oways too late for anything!

I give UP!

Can someone please tell me is he teaching primary school boy football or is he coaching Liverpool FC ??
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dXter on October 20, 2010, 00:19
Got from hwz. Roy's tactics in Fulham, look familiar and why no pass and move? Well no one to pass and move to in a tight midfield. Even a slow lucas won't be able to pass to anyone.

(http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu56/808andy/Tactics.jpg)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: jerms on October 20, 2010, 00:47
Woy lacks his Bobby Zamora
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on October 20, 2010, 10:16
ugh. never once have I watched Konchesky, or Bobby Zamora and thought "Wow, I wish he was playing for us"

 
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Momenta on October 20, 2010, 10:28
Hodgson like all other mgrs, are blaming players for the poor performance.  One rpt I came across yday is that he is saying Torres is still suffering from the hangover of World Cup. OMG, its been almost 3 months since the World Cup final is played and he is still using this as excuse.

In my opinion, a lousy manager will make a good team played badly.  I dun think we can afford the time for him to use 2 seasons to fine tune his tactics on Liverpool.  Liverpool, unlike Fullham, are not battling to avoid relegation year in year out. But it seemed, liverpool under his leadership, is already showing that we are gunning for the last "forth" position for this season. 

The new owner needs to wake up and get real and ask RH to "FO".  In my opinion, even if he is given all the star players he wanted and liverpool will still play like nuts.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: yellowhandman on October 20, 2010, 10:33
ugh. never once have I watched Konchesky, or Bobby Zamora and thought "Wow, I wish he was playing for us"


Yeah, more likely to think "Thank goodness they are playing against us"!

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dude on October 20, 2010, 10:40
If I recall, Rafa did try to buy Konchesky a couple of seasons ago, but price not right.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dXter on October 20, 2010, 11:05
We had a lot worse with Rafa's choices like Josemi, Degen, Dosenna and Kromkamp.  ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dude on October 20, 2010, 11:12
I posted before - the scouts that Rafa had were crap...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on October 20, 2010, 11:25
If I recall, Rafa did try to buy Konchesky a couple of seasons ago, but price not right.

only because the bugger scored a lucky goal against us in the FA Cup final.. doh....
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dude on October 20, 2010, 22:57
well, I didn't remember that...

wait, I just realised something - Rafa tried to buy him..that's the strongest indication that he is crap....
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: jerms on October 23, 2010, 18:55
ugh. never once have I watched Konchesky, or Bobby Zamora and thought "Wow, I wish he was playing for us"

that's goes for most of the squad.

WOY's system suits the Bobby Zamora types
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: yellowhandman on October 23, 2010, 20:08
You all do realize that, jokes aside, Fulham and Bobby Zamora are higher up the table than Liverpool…
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on October 23, 2010, 20:37
You all do realize that, jokes aside, Fulham and Bobby Zamora are higher up the table than Liverpool…

you do realize that is hardly the issue
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: DIYer Straits on October 23, 2010, 20:38
well, I didn't remember that...

wait, I just realised something - Rafa tried to buy him..that's the strongest indication that he is crap....

You also do realise that Spurs had him for 6 months on loan and he was crap then as well.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on October 25, 2010, 16:32
Found another fan of Liverpool's. - was watching Lara Croft last night when I was thinking ... gosh those can't be real  :o, so went to google and found this on imdb

Has a fondness for Liverpool Football Club because her son Maddox "only wants to play for Liverpool".

 ;D

also came across this ... haha

http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/oddballs/845090-did-maxi-stick-his-finger-up-kyrgiakos-bum-in-liverpool-goal-celebrations?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on October 26, 2010, 10:24
ROFLMAO!! ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dude on October 26, 2010, 10:35
You also do realise that Spurs had him for 6 months on loan and he was crap then as well.

I thought he had a solid, effective game against Blackburn. I'd take that for now, since we need the stability.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dude on October 26, 2010, 10:36
Found another fan of Liverpool's. - was watching Lara Croft last night when I was thinking ... gosh those can't be real  :o, so went to google and found this on imdb

Has a fondness for Liverpool Football Club because her son Maddox "only wants to play for Liverpool".

 ;D

also came across this ... haha

http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/oddballs/845090-did-maxi-stick-his-finger-up-kyrgiakos-bum-in-liverpool-goal-celebrations?

Wish Lara was playing forward for us...she may be able to score a couple off her chest....
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: yellowhandman on October 26, 2010, 10:37
Well, the ancient Greeks are known to have been quite liberal about bisexuality. I guess Maxi thought he would appreciate it...

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dude on October 26, 2010, 10:43
Well, the ancient Greeks are known to have been quite liberal about bisexuality. I guess Maxi thought he would appreciate it...

Well, if he doesn't appreciate it, hope Kyrgiakos won't feel too bummed out....
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on October 26, 2010, 12:52
This is so funny I wet my pants

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HddbhQF3wGo&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on November 01, 2010, 11:12
Reds won but not a good showing, but it was the 3 pts that count. Lucas and Maxi somehow put up a good showing in this game. Torres was poor until the assist that matters.

Still not a winning team, but a mid table position is quite reflective of the current team's quality. Playing style is just plain predictable and mechanical.

RH's lack of idea and confidence was all over his body language, at one stage he even looked dazed and was even starring & looking somewhere else other than the pitch.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Pingu on November 01, 2010, 11:23
Reds won but not a good showing, but it was the 3 pts that count.


Same for all the top teams... well actually much better than some... like ManC and Spurs...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on November 01, 2010, 11:30

Game could have gone either way, well mostly Bolton's way and we were lucky to nick the 3 points.

I would like to think the players are adjusting to RH's requirement and tactics but that is the optimist in me speaking.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on November 01, 2010, 13:02
Yes doing so by clamping their own flair and creativity to suit the one-dimension style adopted by RH. It will only craft a so-so mid-table team by taking this path. I wouldn't blame the good players wanting to leave under such environment.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on November 01, 2010, 15:13

I try not to get influenced by the media herd mentality whenever it picks on one issue (for any team for that matter) and the rest just piles on top with lazy journalism.

It is all too easy to blame it on lack of money. Look at Man City with tonnes of it and if not balanced is no different from a mid-table one.

However the "give a new manager time" goodwill is running a bit thin for me now. Not that I expect swagger ala Gunners but seeing silly balls given away, lack of composure on the ball, players running into one another at times, limited variety in the approach play are but some of the few things noticeable...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on November 01, 2010, 16:51
However the "give a new manager time" goodwill is running a bit thin for me now. Not that I expect swagger ala Gunners but seeing silly balls given away, lack of composure on the ball, players running into one another at times, limited variety in the approach play are but some of the few things noticeable...

ditto, ditto, ditto ditto.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dude on November 01, 2010, 19:24
However the "give a new manager time" goodwill is running a bit thin for me now. Not that I expect swagger ala Gunners but seeing silly balls given away, lack of composure on the ball, players running into one another at times, limited variety in the approach play are but some of the few things noticeable...

Is that a sign of the team lacking confidence, or the manager's tactics? I think the confidence in the manager will come if we win a couple more games. When things are not going well, it's easy to blame the manager, just like how I blame Rafa, but if you compare Gerrard's play so far this season, compared to the last season under Rafa, he somehow looks more energetic. And this is after a World Cup.

Perhaps he is stepping up, knowing that he needs to push the team. If that's true, then I think he is really a Captain. And Fabio should remember that, and give the England armband to him.

Does he recognise that RH needs help, and is willing to back him up till January, when (hopefully) better players will come in? I hope the owners live up to their claim of wanting to strengthen the squad, but they may be faced with questions about the quality available...

Come to think of it, so what if the players we buy are cup-tied? It's the final league position I am interested in...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: francis wu on November 01, 2010, 20:17
I try not to get influenced by the media herd mentality whenever it picks on one issue (for any team for that matter) and the rest just piles on top with lazy journalism.

It is all too easy to blame it on lack of money. Look at Man City with tonnes of it and if not balanced is no different from a mid-table one.

However the "give a new manager time" goodwill is running a bit thin for me now. Not that I expect swagger ala Gunners but seeing silly balls given away, lack of composure on the ball, players running into one another at times, limited variety in the approach play are but some of the few things noticeable...

Agree, got so fed up with their loose play that I hit the sack after half time.  They are no more the entertaining side I once loved to watch!.......... :P
Anyway, are u free this Saturday morning!  Come down to Sheraton and let's talk shop and enjoy a good breakfast!........ :D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on November 06, 2010, 16:26
http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2010/10/exclusive-liverpool-vs-man-united.html
http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2010/10/exclusive-liverpool-vs-arsenal-transfer.html?

LFC v. MUFC v. AFC transfer spend 1990-2010.  Discuss.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on November 06, 2010, 18:40
Maybe we should get somebody to tote up the amount of money spent by the local sports councils in training and sending athletes to the olympics for the past twenty years vs the amount of gold medals won.

What if a team has consistently been second or third in the league for the past twenty years? Or consistently reaching the finals of the champions' league? If there's a team that was placed second in the league for the past twenty years and losing finalists in the champions' league for the same period, would they be considered a failure? They would have shown a zero in trophies won.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: yellowhandman on November 06, 2010, 20:17
Not sure what you are trying to say, but I think it's a sad day on Merseyside (and a happy day for me!) when Singapore's sporting achievements are used as a yardstick for Liverpool...you're comparing a nation that - in terms of size and talent pool - is comparable to a lower league (if not conference) club to a football club that is historically one of the most successful teams in the world.



Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on November 06, 2010, 20:49
No it's not a sad day. I think it is getting to be more positive nowadays at Anfield, just that fans have higher expectations (and less patience) to want the team to do better in a shorter time, and are getting tired of RH's limited tactics and vision.

In fact, I think the new owner is already getting very involved in mapping out sustainable improvement/ recovery for the club. Their appointment of Comolli is already a great step in the right direction, setting a very objective tone for the future... well, despite the fact that RH does not swallow it well.

Waiting to see more positive steps by NESV.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on November 06, 2010, 21:07
Alamaks, ok simple translation  ;D : table shows money spent vs trophies won - is it  fair indication of team performance? Liverpool were 2nd 2 seasons ago, finalists in cl '06 but it bears no weight on the results of that table .. ie even if Spore won ten silvers in the last five olympics, the result would've shown zero results for ?999million spent
Title: Steven Gerrard: It's been the worst year of my career
Post by: Luv4nature on November 07, 2010, 18:18
A True Liverpool Captain, taken from "Mail online"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1327299/Steven-Gerrard-Its-worst-year-career--new-owners-rebuild-Liverpool-fortress.html

When Steven Gerrard steps out of the confines of the Anfield tunnel this afternoon to be greeted by a sudden explosion of noise from his worshippers on the Kop, it will be like waking from a long, dark nightmare.
There may be no guarantee that the promises of new owner John W Henry will ultimately prove any more valuable than those given by the previous regime of Tom Hicks and George Gillett, but at least this is the dawning of a new era at Liverpool. And it is one that Gerrard, in particular, welcomes after the exhausting trials and tribulations he and the club have endured in recent.

Of all the countless meetings and discussions Henry undertook on last week’s whistlestop tour to England, none will have been more important than the private time he spent with Gerrard, not only the current Liverpool captain but also one of its greatest ever players and a genuinely iconic figure in the city.
Henry got a taste of what Gerrard can do for a community when he witnessed the player’s hat-trick against Napoli in the Europa League on Thursday night, but that was merely an hors d’oeuvre for the main event, today’s visit from Premier League champions Chelsea.

It promises a spine-tingling atmosphere at Anfield that may well remind Henry of the night his Boston Red Sox finally reclaimed baseball’s World Series crown after 86 years.
For Gerrard, meeting Henry this week and having the opportunity to put forward his thoughts on Liverpool’s future represents closure on the darkest period in his career. Now there is something to look forward to, he is able to reflect on the past for the first time.

‘I think the past year have been the most difficult for me since I was 18 and broke into the first team,’ admitted Gerrard. ‘It’s been a difficult time to be a Liverpool player. We finished seventh in the League and there was all the stuff going on off the pitch. You would hear rumours that the takeover was going to happen, then it didn’t, and it messes with your mind.
‘Your mood swings when you hear different news at different times. I was always kept updated and told to be patient and, in the end, the takeover did happen. The debt has gone off the club, and as people say, it is a new era with new owners, a new manager and results are starting to turn and improve. So, yeah, I’m a lot more confident that things will be brighter moving forward.’
Henry has been outlining his vision for the club this week, stressing the need to build a younger team and develop a system whereby Liverpool can develop the stars of tomorrow.
As a local boy with the club’s best interests at heart, Gerrard is clearly a supporter of any strategy which will help safeguard Liverpool’s long-term position among the elite clubs in Europe.
But there is one proviso. Having turned 30 in May, the inspirational midfielder knows the clock is ticking on his own career, particularly with regard to winning that first Premier League title. While the long term is vital to Liverpool, he clearly hopes for selfish reasons something can be done in the short term so he can feel the benefits as well as the man who succeeds him as captain.
‘I’m not naive enough to think it’s all about me or other players coming towards the final part of their careers. This club will be here for many years so I think the right thing is to build for the future, bring young talent in, sort the scouting system out from top to bottom and, in my opinion, merge the Academy and Melwood, where the first team train.
‘From a selfish point of view, I also want a short-term fix. I think the Americans have got the right idea to build a platform for this club for many years to come but, of course, when I speak to them, I’m going to be wanting the quick fix. I’ve got four or five years left at this level and I want to win trophies before I finish, because that’s what I go to work for.’
When Gerrard made his debut 12 years ago this month, there were major concerns that the gangly teenager was growing too quickly and would always suffer from injuries. Gladly, such fears did not materialise and he is regarded as the club’s greatest ever player alongside Kenny Dalglish.
The force of nature that almost single-handedly led Liverpool to the Champions League in Istanbul is also evident off the field. Gerrard sees his status as captain as more than window dressing and welcomes the chance to put his ideas to the club’s New England bosses.
In particular, he is a keen supporter of team-mate Jamie Carragher’s idea that the club’s Academy, based on the outskirts of the city in Kirkby, should move to West Derby, where Liverpool’s first-team train.
Gerrard believes that rubbing shoulders with the established players will help inspire the club’s next generation of stars, as he was inspired himself.
‘I think it is a fantastic idea. What helped me get to this level when I was growing up was watching the first team train, having a chance to go to Melwood and seeing the players that I looked up to and dreamed of playing alongside.
‘The kids don’t see Fernando Torres now, they don’t see Jamie Carragher, they don’t see me. They see us once or twice a year when they should be seeing us every day. We want to see them, speak to them, see what is there and help them. It certainly helped me having the likes of Jamie Redknapp, Robbie Fowler, Steve McManaman about. I was in awe of them and wanted to join them. Eventually I got there through seeing them every day and wanting to have what they had.’
That is for the future, though. Right now, Gerrard has to be concentrated on Chelsea, a club he nearly joined in 2005 after a contract wrangle saw him nearly quit Anfield shortly after winning the Champions League.
Since Gerrard chose to stay, Liverpool have won a single FA Cup compared to Chelsea’s two titles and two FA Cups, though both clubs have also reached a Champions League final.
But the Liverpool captain doesn’t have any regrets, as long as the team can use their recent run of three wins in a row to put the early-season doldrums — they were in the relegation zone for a fortnight — behind them.
‘There have been opportunities in the past to move on, Chelsea and other times as well, but I love this club,’ added Gerrard. ‘But I wouldn’t call it a sacrifice. Playing and captaining Liverpool is more living a dream than making a sacrifice. I want to stay and be successful because when that day comes, I know it will mean an awful lot more to me. I love it here.
‘As a young kid, I used to come to European nights at Anfield and dream of playing in front of this crowd and winning big games.
‘We’ve had a really difficult start to the season. It has been a shock to a lot of people, me included. It’s going to be a building process to get back up where we want to be. We’re not there yet but things are certainly on the way up if you look at the past four performances.
‘After the World Cup, the start we had was exactly what I didn’t need personally and it wasn’t what the club needed. But we can certainly recover.
‘I wouldn’t like to say we have definitely turned the corner but we’re certainly on our way round.
‘We go into the Chelsea game with growing confidence. They are the best team in the country and have set the standards ever since Roman Abramovich has come in and built his team.
‘We are aware of the challenge but so will they be. They’ve had big tests at Anfield over the past five or six years and they are in for another big test on Sunday.
‘We’re glad to put the ownership turmoil behind us. Myself and the other lads never used it as an excuse because it’s the easy way out to lose a game and then say, “Yeah, let’s blame Tom and George”.
‘But Liverpool football club is not about headlines on the front pages. Certainly since I have supported the club, it has always been about good things on the back pages, and that’s what we want to get it back to.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on November 08, 2010, 00:55
Wow Lucas playing like his life depended on it, hope the team can hold its shape ... the Drog will probably be unleashed at the start of the 2nd half. Very nice goals by Torres, hope Mrs H knows the words to his song  :)
http://twitter.com/Linda_Pizzuti/philanthropy-inspiring
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on November 08, 2010, 02:09
Whew  ;D  Finally a match tat deserve my stayin up for it  ;)

But 2nd half was kinda very defensive play, looked like trying to protect tat 2x Torres' goals, wif no endeavour to push fwd. But luckily REDS persevered  :o

Yippie!!!
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on November 08, 2010, 14:25

An altogether much pleasant viewing experience compared to earlier matches. I hope it is not a case of only producing against the top sides and then dropping it against "weaker" teams going forward.

Luck was certainly on our side with the deflected save from Reina and some 50-50s that went our way. Let's see if the momentum can be sustained against Wigan in mid-week.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Pingu on November 08, 2010, 17:17

Luck was certainly on our side with the deflected save from Reina and some 50-50s that went our way.


and he would have whacked me if I had said the same thing... :P ;)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on November 08, 2010, 17:41
There was a penalty call from Zhirkov's handball (I remember Carra had a similar incident where the ball bounced off the pitch onto his arm, penalty was given) so it should be 3-0? No?  ;D oh and Maxi's trip by Cech who didn't get any of the ball I've seen those given as well so 4-0? ::)
Maybe FIFA should change the rules and award 1/2 goal for balls hitting the post - wait, make that 1/2 goal if it bounces off the post and comes back into play, and 1/4 goal if it bounces out  ;D should be fun!
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on November 08, 2010, 18:36

and he would have whacked me if I had said the same thing... :P ;)

you can only say those sort of things about Arsenal ;)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on December 14, 2010, 14:26

Since there's not much on the football side to talk about these days...how about those who think Rafa going off was a good thing now that they have tasted Woy's decent home ground record versus his fabulous away one?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: yellowhandman on December 14, 2010, 17:41
Since there's not much on the football side to talk about these days...how about those who think Rafa going off was a good thing now that they have tasted Woy's decent home ground record versus his fabulous away one?

The logic is flawed - just because Woy is a bad (or worse) manager, doesn't mean that Rafa was therefore a good manager. It just means that Liverpool replaced one bad manager with another bad manager. And the second bad manager was saddled with players bought by his predecessor.


Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dXter on December 14, 2010, 18:01
Last I saw the team didn't performed so badly while the last manager was around. Tactical acumen & reactivity to opponent changes during a game are missing from Roy.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on December 14, 2010, 18:17
The logic is flawed - just because Woy is a bad (or worse) manager, doesn't mean that Rafa was therefore a good manager. It just means that Liverpool replaced one bad manager with another bad manager. And the second bad manager was saddled with players bought by his predecessor.




All managers buy their share of good and bad players. Take the example of Lucas, started out bad and recently turned out better but is it really Woy's man management skills or just the player getting used to EPL? Nani from Manyoo comes to mind in similar vein in terms of performance improvement over time although not like for like comparison. Plus Woy didn't help himself by adding Poulsen and Konchesky who IMHO aren't really Liverpool material.

That said, my question is having had time to observe and compare Woy vs Rafa some things stand out.

An example is quoted above...tactical acumen. Was zonal marking such a bad thing after all looking at the type of goals conceded now? It is seldom the system but mostly the application and in that it is quite evident to see how players react.

After 17 matches in the league, how many more in Europe/Cups and countless training sessions I do not think there is any excuse in not understanding the manager and his style.

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: silencer13 on December 14, 2010, 19:33
I agree with YHM here. Liverpool simply replaced a bad manager with someone worse..... doesn't make Rafa a good manager.

Just look at Inter Milan and you'll understand how bad Rafa is...... same team essentially, just different manager, but struggling so badly in Italy and Europe.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on December 14, 2010, 23:48
@Leno - valid and good points.

@those with short memories, how many managers do not have off season(s)? even SAF and Wenger started from somewhere or had off seasons. These gents had the chance to stay long at one place and implement their vision.

@other club supporters who made the effort to comment - am not saying who is good or bad. Last I checked, Inter is still in the ECL.

The point I was making is...what is the difference after the change. I rather the devil I know than go through the upheavals replacing with another so-so one. No one is bigger than the club and certainly not the manager but unless Woy goes on and win another CL, FA Cup or give me the satisfaction in pushing for a title in one season, I really think we should have stuck with Rafa and choose a successor later.

The impending sale of the club and the frosty relationship between the ex-owners and Rafa did not help. Imagine you find out your bosses were hunting to replace you in your job and do you sincerely expect not to doubt their credibility after that?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: DIYer Straits on December 20, 2010, 11:57
Quote after Inter's win:
' Speaking after Saturday's victory, Benitez said: "There are three possibilities for the club. One, 100% support for the coach and buy four or five players to build a stronger team with competition among the players to be able to carry on winning matches and trophies.

"Two, carry on like this without a project, without planning, and go ahead with one person to blame, for the whole season.
"The third," he added, "is to speak to my agent to reach an agreement if there is not this support. Simple." '   
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: silencer13 on December 20, 2010, 22:29
lol! Last year's treble winning team not good enough for him?

Buy 4 to 5 players?!?! Who does he want? Ronaldo, Messi, Iniesta and Vidic?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: yellowhandman on December 22, 2010, 10:40
Rafa sacked by Liverpool and Inter Milan in the space of about six months. I guess he can lay claim to a historic achievement - doubt anyone has ever been fired by two clubs like that in the same year!

I'd be surprised if Rafa ever gets a chance at a big club again - whatever talents as a manager he may have (and that's debatable), his constant politicking with the management is simply not worth it.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on December 22, 2010, 11:44
think 'Lafa' tried to use the political tactis on Italians, and unexpectedly back-fired!!!  Largely also doubt he has any supporter to back him, unlike some Red Kop fans
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Pingu on December 22, 2010, 12:53
Rafa sacked? Where you guys getting your info? ???
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: francis wu on December 22, 2010, 13:07
I was about to ask the same question ??? ???
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on December 22, 2010, 14:05
if 'Lafa' really gets the boots, tis guy really earn BIG time with all these contract termination compensations !!!  Tink one more time he can RETIRE and join the list of TV sports pundits, and he can continue wif all his complains and threats.........
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: francis wu on December 22, 2010, 14:30
Well, for all you know, maybe it's his ploy to get himself sacked.  He knows he will not retain the league championship and probably will not survive the Eur knock out stages, so this is the best route to hide his incapability as a consistent top class coach, and what more, loads of cash compensation!!........... :P
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on December 22, 2010, 17:58
From BBC:-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/9302348.stm
Quote
Inter president Massimo Moratti said: "At the moment he is the coach, if I am not mistaken."


Whaddya mean, "if I am not mistaken"???  You're the president of Inter, you KNOW for a fact one way or another!  It's this kind of waffling that is giving rise to all the speculation.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on December 22, 2010, 17:58
Oh well, now it's done:-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/9302348.stm
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: jerms on December 23, 2010, 21:32
rafa can never come close to tying jose's laces.

he had to get out fast before the huge shadow overcomes him.

idiot always blames the owners.

and mentally ill too:
"white liquid in a bottle has to be milk"
"some people cannot see a priest on a mountain of sugar"
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: asianboy on December 27, 2010, 08:15
glad he is out of inter! He doesnt deserve to manage any top teams. IMO he is the real culprit of liverpool downfall.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on December 27, 2010, 11:13
That's a strong statement.... but then again, certain truth in it.

If Rafa had not spent (or lost) so much in player transfers, Pool would not have to force to sell away quite a handful of good players in the last 2 years. The departure of these good players (e.g. Alonso, just to name the most obvious one) has direct impact of rapid drop in strength of the team.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dXter on December 27, 2010, 21:49
The notable players were Alonso, Hyypia and Marscherano, don't think anyone was forced to be sold against their will to pay off any of the club's debt. Alonso might be earlier for the blotched Barry deal but he wasn't performing for 2 seasons priorand really flourish only in his last season. Liverpool's net transfer spending also wasn't so high, compared against some others with benefitors. Non-liverpool fans just cannot see it or chose to follow/quote misinformation. One has to admit that no top teams enjoyed to play against his Liverpool team. His team 2 seasons back was the best Liverpool team, I have seen in 2 decades.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on December 29, 2010, 00:13
Seems like 'Kun' Aguero spent christmas with the Maxis' on merseyside and he's a rabid liverpool fan :)
http://www.liverpool.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=225802

"If I had to choose a league then it would be the Premier League, I have been a Liverpool fan for as long as I can remember and it would be a dream to play there. I watched the Champions League final and celebrated every goal as if it was for Independiente."

don't mind him signing on ...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: jerms on December 29, 2010, 05:49
He doesnt deserve to manage any top teams. IMO he is the real culprit of liverpool downfall.

initially i thought it was houllier.

but now i believe the real culprit is rafa.

he never won the CL, stevie g won it for pool.

most overrated coach ever.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on December 29, 2010, 11:08
initially i thought it was houllier.

but now i believe the real culprit is rafa.

he never won the CL, stevie g won it for pool.

most overrated coach ever.

Not sure about that, he took Valencia to two ECL finals in a row, that's the equivalent of maybe Moyes doing it with Everton.  Arguably the rot at Liverpool set in with Souness, and they haven't turned it around since.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Pingu on December 29, 2010, 11:29
Not sure about that, he took Valencia to two ECL finals in a row, that's the equivalent of maybe Moyes doing it with Everton.  Arguably the rot at Liverpool set in with Souness, and they haven't turned it around since.

You sure about that? I thot it was Hector Cuper who was in charge of Valencia then...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Spunky on December 29, 2010, 14:12
To me, both Houllier and Benitez were quite OK.  When Houllier came, he sorted out the defence, remember Babbel, Henchoz, Hyppia and also Hamann (defensive midfielder).  Also lucky the SG was breaking into 1st team.  Unfortunately, he had to build the team around their biggest player at that time, Owen.  The team became too preditable.  Coupled with poor investment in too many 'future' players (Pongolle, Tellac, Cheyrou etc) and a couple of Senegalese (Diouf & Diop(?)), he ran out of ideas and it was time to rebuild the team with a new manager.

The best that Benitez had done was to convince SG to stay.  Think that was probably the only motivation for any top player to join Liverpool.  Next was the signing of Torres.  Reina and Alonso's contribution probably understated as they r not flashy players.  he too signed too many young players that promised so much but never delivered.  Think his downfall was the Barry saga, Bellamy and Keane and finally Aquilani...plus his conflicts with the owners.  Time to go....but Hodgson is really a poor choice. 
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on December 29, 2010, 14:23
You sure about that? I thot it was Hector Cuper who was in charge of Valencia then...

Ah.  Posted that from memory,  but on checking, you're quite right, Cuper took them to the two ECL finals.  But on reading more, Benitez took over and won two La Ligas, which might arguably be even more impressive, considering the Real-Barca duopoly in force, just as SAF was the last manager to break the Rangers-Celtic duopoly, with Aberdeen -- and considering he's been at ManYoo for 24 years, that tells you how long ago that was...

Having said that, Wiki says Valencia are the third-best supported Spanish team, so not quite as impressive, then, even though he broke a 31-yr drought to do it.  A bit like GG breaking Arsenal's 18-yr drought, then -- ManYoo and Liverpool are probably England's two best supported clubs, presumably Arsenal are third.  Then again, England has never had a long-term duopoly on the title like Spain (or Scotland).
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on December 29, 2010, 14:54
I second that  8)

With the Americans saga @ Liverpool and the team standard and without fund, guess it's hard to attract any 'quality' manager, unless someone with the 'Special One' quality is crazy to derive a personal goal and to prove to the world that he can make a name at Liverpool. Otherwise, why risk it  ::)

If we cant get the result tonight against Wolves, then mayb Ah Roy's time is running out........Ah Roy will continue to say this is not this team, and to give him more time (and funds) to build his so-call team, and Torres is re-discovering his striker foot, and SG will lead the way, and Lucas is maturing......(sigh...) :P

Anyway, looking at the performance of top 6 teams now, I am disheartened to imagine that we may again end up in Europa.......again  :'(

....but Hodgson is really a poor choice. 
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on December 29, 2010, 19:41
Rafa delivered on the ECL and cup fronts but not on the league. Well who is perfect. No matter how much I detest SAF or other managers I would still not generalize their imperfections and downplay their achievements.

As for some saying Stevie delivered the ECL, he did play a big part but the substitution at half-time by way of introducing Hamann and nullifying the Milan midfield came out of thin air? So for the non-Liverpool supporters, I do not expect you to follow in detail as neither I would for another club. But for those part-time Liverpool ones, it is hellva more fun understanding the club details than just turning on the telly each weekend and reading the sensational media lines the following day.

Then again it may just work for only some of us. :)

edit: it is generally acknowledged that Souness was the start of the decline that lasted till now but history depends on which chapter one starts reading doesn't it.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on December 30, 2010, 02:17
Not sure about that, he took Valencia to two ECL finals in a row, that's the equivalent of maybe Moyes doing it with Everton.  Arguably the rot at Liverpool set in with Souness, and they haven't turned it around since.

this is going to be blasphemous, but I feel the succession trail got broken during Dalglish's time; Souey inherited an ageing team but the 2nd layer was not there and he had to buy (crap) players.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: jerms on December 30, 2010, 02:41
this is going to be blasphemous, but I feel the succession trail got broken during Dalglish's time; Souey inherited an ageing team but the 2nd layer was not there and he had to buy (crap) players.

i think u gotta valid point going on here.

the moment king kenny stopped playing & concentrated on micro-managing...

he did however leave behind young talents for souey like macca, redknapp & possibly mike marsh who showed so much promise before souey swapped him for that crap julian dicks.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: jerms on December 30, 2010, 05:56
NAIL IN THE COFFIN FOR WOY
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: jerms on December 30, 2010, 05:57
DESCHAMPS or O'NEILL???
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on December 30, 2010, 08:08
*sigh*
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on December 30, 2010, 10:56
Hiddinck
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on December 30, 2010, 11:17

Real stinker to wake up to such news.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on December 30, 2010, 13:18
If he has a team where there are several world cup caliber players, compared with many EPL teams that has few to none, claiming the players are adopted and not his picks is just the lousiest excuse.

Or players are just doing this to try to boot him out ?

IMO, switching coach is now the highest priority, much so than getting players in the Jan transfer window.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on December 30, 2010, 13:19
Hiddinck

 Like this one a lot, he's the one that can really turn ordinary teams into first rated ones, and obtain 110% out of each player.... much much better than Rafa's constant changing/ switching tactic.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on December 30, 2010, 16:58
I have been grieving since morning  :'( :-\ :-X :-[

Ah Roy has to go............. >:(

Hiddinck is definitely a good choice, and probably help to convince some 'key' players to stay.

but doubt he will be keen  :-\

If we cant get the result tonight against Wolves, then mayb Ah Roy's time is running out........
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: jerms on December 31, 2010, 02:04
he's blaming fans now.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/858930/roy-hodgson-hits-back-at-kop-boo-boys?cc=4716 (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/858930/roy-hodgson-hits-back-at-kop-boo-boys?cc=4716)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on December 31, 2010, 10:51
but he is sticking to ”打死不走“ lei  :-X :-[ ::) ???  And owner oso "no sound, no shadow" lei  :'(

I thought I wouldnt witness Liverpool to be after 11th posn or even struggling in relegation zone in this life time.......not to mention to be out of CL for 2 season  >:( :( :o

Sad, very sad  :-\
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: jerms on January 02, 2011, 05:57
yep this win only prolongs the agony
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on January 02, 2011, 12:11
Uncle Roy may be walking alone ...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/8235362/Liverpool-set-to-delay-search-for-Roy-Hodgson-successor-as-prospect-looms-of-Kenny-Dalglish-return.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/dalglish-set-to-take-helm-as-us-owners-lose-patience-2174072.html?

http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/liverpool-chiefs-line-dalglish-thompson-combo-replace-hodgson-1358041
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on January 02, 2011, 14:22
Have we ever had a negative goal difference going into a new year?

*sigh*


Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on January 02, 2011, 14:46
I dunno lol ...

but do I know Roy Hodgson voted LMA manager of the year with a negative goal difference  ;D

http://www.eplmatches.com/tables/epl-table-2009-2010/
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on January 02, 2011, 18:31
it's irony  :(  We badly need the win. But with the win, we just prolong the agony  :-X  And now he will go bragging.......very sad, very sad  ::)

IMHO, tats nothing to cheer for tat Bolton match, though there were a few glimpses of good passes and running in 2nd half. 1st half was -^- ...........Torres was kinda lost soul; Gerrard was clearly punctured; Defense was dis-oriented......and Joe's goal in injury time ==> was juz lucky tat he was not spotted offsite  ::)

and if he could say: "Hodgson claims his side played 'top class' football and would have been thoroughly disappointed had his side not snatched the three points late on."

OMG  :o ??? ::) :'(


yep this win only prolongs the agony
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: landis on January 02, 2011, 21:12
The anticipation for his sacking is so much that if you type the word "hodgson" on google search, it automatically suggests for you to search for "hodgson sacked" LOL  ;D ;D ;D

that is the power of google/computer. who would have thought that a mere internet search engine of a computer would be able to shape the thinking of the world and influence its perceptions. is it possible then that the computer is the 666, the number of the beast ;D

here is something from the internet which i doubt is true. but just for fun assuming if A is 1, B is 2, C is 3 ,,,,, and Z is 26. then if you multiply the sum of the word computer by 6, you get a total of 666. but then again this is a football thread ;D

C  3 x 6 =  18
O 15 x 6 =  90
M 13 x 6 =  78
P 16 x 6 =  96
U 21 x 6 = 126
T 20 x 6 = 120
E  5 x 6 =  30
R 18 x 6 = 106
--------------
TOTAL    = 666

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Spunky on January 04, 2011, 08:25
really wonder if cole regret scoring that goal! ???
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: silencer13 on January 06, 2011, 06:57
Did I just hear 3 nails being knocked into a coffin?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: yellowhandman on January 06, 2011, 07:19
By now the coffin must look rather odd...so many nails already.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on January 06, 2011, 12:33
By now the coffin must look rather odd...so many nails already.

bristling! :D

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dsj88 on January 06, 2011, 13:42
As long as we have the American owners, Liverpool will go nowhere. They are interested in making money not football. F**k them off the sooner the better
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Pingu on January 06, 2011, 14:16
As long as we have the American owners, Liverpool will go nowhere. They are interested in making money not football. F**k them off the sooner the better


??

Been away lately? ;)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: jerms on January 06, 2011, 19:02
prolonging the agony.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on January 06, 2011, 20:06
been drowning my sorrow last few days and I guess for weeks to come by working very late, so tat I will be so tired ervyday to be annoyed by tis Ah Roy saga  :'( :-\ >:(
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on January 06, 2011, 20:35
Its starting to look a lot like ......... a train wreck!  ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: j45yip on January 06, 2011, 21:29
...the cost of the whole blackburn team is about 17 million pound = one glen johnson....shocking!!!
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: yellowhandman on January 07, 2011, 00:25
Question of the day - will NESV give Roy one more chance against United on Sunday in the FA Cup, or will they sack him before that and replace him with Dalglish, hoping that the appointment of a Liverpool legend will spur the team to victory and rekindle your season with a victory over your deadly rivals?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on January 07, 2011, 10:27
Answer for this season: Ah Roy should not have been chosen  >:(

Question for this season: BUT which 'quality' manager would be in be in the right frame of mind to come, and to come cheap  ::) ??? :o :'(

Personal Answer: Kenny Dalglish, bcoz of his attachment with the club, bcoz of the attachment of fans (and maybe players) with him. At least, Kenny will do it for 'heart and soul', and maybe 'whatever money is paid to him....' ==> I hope  ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dude on January 07, 2011, 12:27
Patience seems to be asked of Liverpool fans this year...

We were asked to be patient as the new manager took over

We were asked to be patient as the new owners took over

We now need patience, as a suitable manager is being identified

I'm a patient person.

Is Dalglish the answer? As loyal as any of the Liverpool greats, Dalglish threw his name in the hat before Hodgson was chosen. I appreciate him putting up his hand and saying "I want it, give it to me".

But he has been out of the game for a very long time, Regardless how respected you were as a player, 1st stint as manager, the game has moved on.

His fave tactic when he was in charge of Liverpool was quick counter with Beardsley, Barnes, and Aldridge - ball out of defence to Beardsley, quick pass down the left wing for Barnes to run and cross, Aldridge to finish. Goal.

He inherited a team that was on the verge of being replaced, and he did not have to do any of the replacing. So what can he realistically bring to the current team? Is his tactical acumen up to date? Is this Liverpool team playing any better than the Newcastle team that went down with Shearer in charge?

Of the names mentioned, I am unfamiliar with Deschamps or the former Mourinho understudy's (sorry, don't know his name) work. But I am unimpressed with Rijkaard (Galatasaray stint shows what he can do with an average squad - not very much).

Martin O'Neill seems to be the best of the lot, but doesn't that say it all? Best of the lot.

So that's why the search will take time, and so Hodgson will still be in charge. Would any of the fans trust Sammy Lee (bless him, but after his Blackburn stint, not manager material) with the caretaker role? I am assuming he is still the number 2 guy...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: j45yip on January 07, 2011, 16:31
...andre villa boas from fc porto? sorry, he just signed a contract extension for another year with fc porto.

or the former Mourinho understudy's (sorry, don't know his name) work.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: yellowhandman on January 08, 2011, 01:17
NESV must sack Hodgson now or Liverpool Football Club and its fans may turn on itself.  It’s that serious.

I thought this already happened under the previous owners. As an outsider, it seems to me that Liverpool fans have been in a constant state of either wanting their owners or managers out,

Meanwhile, the non-performing players get a free pass...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: jerms on January 08, 2011, 02:43
this says it all

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4MIgcL183g[/youtube]
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Pingu on January 08, 2011, 06:36
I thought this already happened under the previous owners. As an outsider, it seems to me that Liverpool fans have been in a constant state of either wanting their owners or managers out,

Meanwhile, the non-performing players get a free pass...


How true.

Perhaps NESV should clear out the manager, the players AND THE FANS!! and start anew... ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on January 08, 2011, 09:37
Hahahahaha......very analytical and constructive and cartoonish presentation of the state of REDS.

Well said !

But we will beat the Devils tomorrow, we will !!!   8)

this says it all
Title: Stars and Strife
Post by: lewlian on January 08, 2011, 12:08

An interesting read... Stars and Strife: The Change in Liverpool Fans during the Hicks & Gillett Reign (http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=268820.0)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on January 08, 2011, 17:27
Hahahahaha......very analytical and constructive and cartoonish presentation of the state of REDS.

Well said !

But we will beat the Devils tomorrow, we will !!!   8) I hear they have not lost at the old toilet this season wor


Haha I like your optimism :) I hear they have not lost at old toilet this season wor ...

Somehow I've got a feeling tomorrow's match will be fought tooth and nail from both sides, lotsa yellows and maybe even a red if that redhead starts :) But I like matches played thisaway
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: silencer13 on January 08, 2011, 19:44
Well, it's happened at last!
Now let's see if King Kenny is just an old relic or a wonder worker.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/862382/roy-hodgson-leaves-liverpool-by-mutual-consent?cc=4716
Title: Hodgson leaves Liverpool FC
Post by: cn9601 on January 08, 2011, 20:01
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/hodgson-leaves-liverpool-fc

Yippie!!! Yippie!!! Was discussing exhasutively with my son's friend father on the football training pitch, and was saying if anything should happen, it must happen TODAY. Otherwise, we would stuck with Ah Roy for good till end season......... ;D

While Kenny may not necessary be the BEST choice, IMHO, at least we need some morale booast within the club, among players, and fans. We have the players, but simply no soul and heart. Hopefully, we can instill the right mental state and get the result tomorrow ---> what a match for Kenny to return to be 'benchmarked'.

 ;D :D ;) 8)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on January 08, 2011, 20:56
I wonder if thommo will be recalled as well, his and carra's voices are the only ones that can be heard above all the din on the pitch and on the telly as well  ;D so kenny still got coaching license??
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Momenta on January 08, 2011, 21:12
RH has left LFC and Kenny will be installed as temporary manager till end of season.
 Finally, prayers have been answered
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: yellowhandman on January 08, 2011, 21:45
Dalglish's success as 'Pool manager in the past was based on continuity - the famous Liverpool Boot Room manual for success. That tradition has probably been lost during the Houllier/Rafa years, so I wouldn't expect any sudden turnaround.

The players will be fired up tomorrow, playing for Kenny and for the fans. But whether that translates into a result against United is another question. After all, it's still the same squad of sub-standard players (except for Torres and Gerard).



Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Momenta on January 09, 2011, 07:10
Hope Kenny can buy a few players to strengthen the squad and hope to get rid of a few dead wood bought by RH which included Konchesky and Poulsen.

Always think Johnson should be sold as he is not playing his 100% for the club. Think Kelly did a better job at RB position.

Should also bring back Insua to strengthen the LB position.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: westendboy on January 09, 2011, 10:08
Tonight is the first match of the rest of the season. I will be wearing my Liverpool colours at Harry's. Bring on ManYoo!!!!
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: landis on January 09, 2011, 11:43
wonder which harry's will be a nice place to watch the game. sorry that rh had to go ;D

(http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/liverpoolecho/jan2011/5/5/hodgson-out-grafitti-834203415.jpg)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: westendboy on January 09, 2011, 11:56
wonder which harry's will be a nice place to watch the game. sorry that rh had to go ;D

(http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/liverpoolecho/jan2011/5/5/hodgson-out-grafitti-834203415.jpg)

Harry's at Chjmes. When u enter u will feel like u r at Anfield and Wen everybody sings You Will Never Walk Alone, tears will roll down... I am Not joking
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: yellowhandman on January 09, 2011, 17:32
I'm a United supporter so I'm inevitably biased, but I feel it's disgraceful how Liverpool fans have treated Roy. He's a good manager although he wasn't right for Liverpool, he tried his best but yet he's got nothing but hatred and disrespect, not least because his name isn't Kenny Dalglish.

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on January 09, 2011, 18:03
Interesting factoid I got from wiki on Blackburn Rovers:

Premier League champions
Rovers won the Premier League title in 1994–95. The title chase went down to the last game of the season, but despite Rovers losing to Liverpool they edged out rivals Manchester United to win the championship.

Ray Harford management
Kenny Dalglish moved upstairs to the position of Director of Football at the end of the Premier League winning season, and handed over the reins to his assistant Ray Harford. Blackburn Rovers made a poor start to the 1995–96 season, and found themselves in the bottom half for most of the first half of the season. Rovers also struggled in the Champions League and finished bottom of their group with just four points.
A terrible start to the 1996–97 Premier League campaign saw Harford resign in late October with the club bottom of the division, having failed to win any of their first ten games. Relegation looked a real possibility, just two seasons after winning the league. The club immediately began the process of recruiting his replacement.[3]

Downfall
Roy Hodgson joined the club from Inter Milan in the summer of 1997, and appeared to have had a positive effect on the club. UEFA cup football was secured with a 6th place finish. However, Rovers made a poor start to the 1998-99 campaign and Hodgson was sacked in December less than an hour after a 2–0 home defeat to bottom side Southampton, a result that locked Rovers in the relegation zone. He was replaced as manager by Brian Kidd. However, he could not save them as the club slipped away, relegation was confirmed with a scoreless draw at home to Manchester United in the penultimate game of the season.


Summary:

Kenny won the premiership title in 94 - 95, booted upstairs in 96

Hodgson came in summer 97, sacked december 98 after losing to bottom of table Southampton

Club relegated end of 98 - 99 season
 :o ::)
woy of the wovers  ;D sorry can't help it
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on January 09, 2011, 18:11
Whew  ;D  The jinx was rid before the omen materialise  8)

Regardless, hope it's a good game later, that is, players play wif assertion and morale  ;D

Wonder what will be the team sheet  :)

Summary:
Hodgson came in summer 97, sacked december 98 after losing to bottom of table Southampton
Club relegated end of 98 - 99 season
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: francis wu on January 09, 2011, 18:32
Poor Roy, he shud be treated with respect despite his failure to lift the Reds to a loftier position.  It just ain't right!!........... :P
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on January 09, 2011, 18:55
Waaa .... all you manu fans mourn when Roy leaves and big game coming up  ;D give chance lah
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: francis wu on January 09, 2011, 19:04
I sincerely wish the Reds can put up a good fight!  I wish I can watch the match too, damn it!!!............. :'(
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on January 09, 2011, 19:29
... watch the hula girls lor  ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Pingu on January 09, 2011, 19:40
I'm a United supporter so I'm inevitably biased, but I feel it's disgraceful how Liverpool fans have treated Roy. He's a good manager although he wasn't right for Liverpool, he tried his best but yet he's got nothing but hatred and disrespect, not least because his name isn't Kenny Dalglish.



You think any of the other club's fans would have behaved any differently? I don't.

You must remember that fans' responses are limited. They can only vote with their mouths or feet. It's easy for us to reproach from a distance. We are not the ones braving the rain, hail and snow AND forking out something like 30 (?) quids a pop for the privilege of watching such a dire Liverpool team.

Anyway, dont worry too much for poor Roy. The (reported) 3mil payout is probably 3 years' salary at Fulham...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on January 09, 2011, 19:43
 :'( :-\ :-X :-[  my MIO plan doesnt include FA cup  >:(  Those days of SH include everything....

Anyway, workaround is to watch the PiP thru Guide. No fish, prawn oso good  ;)

I sincerely wish the Reds can put up a good fight!  I wish I can watch the match too, damn it!!!............. :'(
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on January 09, 2011, 20:43
Which Manu fan wouldn't want to face a Liverpool led by Roy with his away record... Talk is cheap...

Bless Roy but not many fans wanted him in the first place. Perhaps Manu can line him up to succeed SAF...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: silencer13 on January 09, 2011, 22:07
Wah.... I think Howard Webb earn a lot of $$$ today.

First a non-penalty given, now a red card for hardly a challenge.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on January 09, 2011, 22:10
Someone ought to check his bank balance...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on January 09, 2011, 23:33
In a way, Howard Webb has won the game for ManU. No much that ManU has dominated throughout the game even with 1 goal and 1 (+1) man advantage.

Now for Liverpool, although a loss, it is a winning start in a way, it's just a cup tie anyway. The flow and spirit that were displayed in the team hasn't been seen in a long time. Hope this is the type of positive and exciting football that will be shown the rest of season. Then the turnaround should be near.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: silencer13 on January 09, 2011, 23:37
Well, this is the most spirited performance I've seen from Liverpool this whole season. At least they fought hard till the end.
But they really lack a lot man.... passing, running, marking, all off. Kenny has got a big job ahead of him.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: jerms on January 10, 2011, 01:54
(http://i52.tinypic.com/11s1p1s.jpg)

in the kind words of Mark Lawrenson "...it was soft but it's still a penalty..."
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on January 10, 2011, 06:46
I could oni watch 1st half via 'cheong' way, and guess the 'hit rate' suddenly choked up 2nd half tat streaming juz too annoyingly laggy, and I din watch 2nd half.

Anyway, by the 1st half, REDS not bad, in fact might be better if not for Gerrard red carded.

MOM --> Howard Webb (aka Howard the Peking duck feet) MBE(Manc of the Busby Empire)  >:(

The penalty --> possibly right, but to award it is kinda 50-50. and @ 1st minute into the game, to award it, cant help it to feel it is biased!

The RED card --> clearly a foul, but not as harsh as a RED. but wat a chance to handicap a team, cant help it to feel it is biased!

Oh yes, I am RED, cant help it to think I ought to be biased  ??? ::)  Honestly, maybe, but I am sure non-RED watching tat 1st minute penalty box foul and Gerrard's foul, surely Peking duck Howard's decision must be tilted  :-X 
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on January 10, 2011, 10:25
I thought what really got Gerrard going was Rafael's two footed challenge just a second earlier, and Meireles didn't drop down crying like a girl
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on January 10, 2011, 10:31

That's where the double standard occurs for the home team versus visiting ones. Stevie made a rash challenge but if the earlier one was waved on, his could have been strongly cautioned with a yellow.

Would have loved a run in the FA Cup but this may be a blessing in disguise and give Kenny more time to focus on improving our position in the league which is the top priority.

As for the penalty, referees like to exert authority but in the first 30 secs of a high profile match and not a clear cut case?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on January 11, 2011, 10:06
As for the penalty, referees like to exert authority but in the first 30 secs of a high profile match and not a clear cut case?

That has nothing to do with it: it was Howard Webb, it was ManYoo, it was at OT.  'Nuff said.

It was so bloody soft as to beggar belief.  A pat on the back, Berbatov does a swan dive, penalty.  Bah.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on January 11, 2011, 10:23
http://newsthump.com/2010/12/31/referee-howard-webb-awarded-mbe-for-services-to-manchester-united/

goodness I still remember that penalty against spurs
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: vieri on January 11, 2011, 10:57

It was so bloody soft as to beggar belief.  A pat on the back, Berbatov does a swan dive, penalty.  Bah.

What do one expect? He's a BULGARIAN. He cant be seen owning up & tell the ref its not a penalty, lest he gets the hairblower treament by Alex.
Im surprised Manure cant kill the game off with 1 man advantage.

Vieri
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dude on January 11, 2011, 14:06
Not surprised Man U could not score more. It seems to be their story this year - some how or other, they will get the goal that counts.

Did I see anything in the game to cause me to feel more optimistic? Not at all. It's probably too early to tell.

But how's about a wish list of players we need during this transfer window?

There's still some good bets that Carlton Cole is coming. I hope not. If anything, may be Robbie Keane could come back. He never got the chance under Rafa, and Dalglish would appreciate someone like Robbie, who uses the ball well, and is used to the English game of tough and tumble. Something Dalglish himself once used to do.

As it was for Hodgson, the question for Dalglish is how to use Stevie G. In the centre of defence, and you lose his attacking runs. As the player supporting the striker, you will miss his dynamism in protecting the defence. Rafa did not need to deal with this, since Masch left at the same time as he did.

Simplest solution is to get a good right winger, then deploy Kuyt to where he was originally playing - striker. With Torres, they would be good in the 442.

Unless Dalglish intends to convert Glen Johnson to right midfield, instead of right defence...that could work..
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Pingu on January 11, 2011, 15:36
http://newsthump.com/2010/12/31/referee-howard-webb-awarded-mbe-for-services-to-manchester-united/

goodness I still remember that penalty against spurs

interesting link you provided.

here's another article from the same site:

http://newsthump.com/2011/01/10/psychiatrists-warn-of-the-mental-health-risks-associated-with-managing-liverpool/

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: dXter on January 13, 2011, 09:15
Oh dear, changed boss, good start to game by Torres but still lost to blackpool due to abject defending.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on January 13, 2011, 14:28
tsk...tsk.....tsk.... (sigh)

a lot of self-belief is required. Long pass, short pass ==> astray.

Torres still some way to regain his striking instinct. sign of hesitation still prevails.

if not for Reina's saves.....(sign)

it was a 'joy' to watch Jovanovic ==> he was like a deer hoppin from patches to patches  :-\

Poulsen more like traffic police  ::)

Lucas -^-

G.Johnson - really hope to see more of his penetrating run on flank, but......

Liver-poool.....liver-pooooooh  :'( :-\ :-X
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: jerms on January 13, 2011, 15:06
who's the real Pool now?

seasiders always walk alone.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on January 15, 2011, 22:29
Illegitimi non carborundum


(tired in Doha)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: silencer13 on January 21, 2011, 15:32
Just to revisit an old topic:

Inter Milan have now got 5 wins out of 5 under new manager Leonardo.
So anyone still wants to defend Benitez now?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on January 21, 2011, 17:41

Sh*t stirrer. Go start an Inter thread or something.  ;D

Nothing to defend really. Injured players returned from what I read somewhere? Naturally having a new manager has positive effects too I suppose depending on the opposition.

Back to intent of this thread.

Let's see the intent of NESV and whether the statements made about backing Kenny is translated into action.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: silencer13 on January 22, 2011, 03:41
hehe! Sorry, lewlian. I just couldn't resist.   ;D ;D ;D
Ok, back to current Liverpool topics.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: silencer13 on January 22, 2011, 04:03
Liverpool seems to be looking for a striker, by all accounts I've seen.
But really, do they really need another striker?!?! I'd think a creative midfielder would be a more important target. Someone who can carve out the chances for Torres, Kuyt, Ngog and Gerrard.

From the games I've seen Liverpool play this season, what they really lack is someone to feed the through ball.... the spark that makes the striker's job so much easier. Torres may be off form, but it's made even worse by the lack of service to him. So often I see him having to meet crosses or go back to his own half just to get the ball. That's not his game, and you can see he can't perform with that kind of "service".

Maybe they can take Aaron Ramsey on loan from Arsenal. If he's back to the form he had before the leg break, he would be a great addition to the team.
Or if they really insist on spending crazy money, a player like Wesley Sneijder or Kaka would be perfect.  :)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on January 22, 2011, 09:38
They'll need a Messi type player who can pass, create and also scores :) or take Alonso any time.

You're right, 2 seasons ago when they were at recent best form, Torres was also mostly operating alone up front. This season, both SG and Torres were now in their best form, plus they were holding very deep under RH, thus struggled to push forward and create chances. The other reason being that they're desparately lack of good winger right now to run down and stretch opponent's defence. Poor build up to attack, lack of swift winger, and under par defending has been the story this season thus far under RH.

But seems KD has been improving the "supply chain" quite a lot. A lot of positive build up demonstrated from the Everton game, only let down by poor defending.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on January 22, 2011, 22:41

The first from Nando

(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lfffqdHeom1qcimf9.gif)


The belter from Raul

(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lffh1eRQvY1qcimf9.gif)

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Pingu on January 22, 2011, 22:43
cool, man! :)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on January 22, 2011, 23:23
kinda 45mins team, 2nd half din hav much mid-field control and thus allowing Wolves kept knocking on doors  :-\

Poulsen continued to be a let down  >:(

Raul was good, esp. running into the box more often  ;D

But am bubbling tat team confidence is regaining, not juz Torres but most players  ;D :D :)

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on January 23, 2011, 00:08
Basically same bunch of players, but what a change KD has brought back to the team !

Poulsen actually played a decent first half, one of his forward passes led to the first goal. Second half, some what lost at times under pressure, and turned over to Wolf's dangerous attacks. Luckily KD saw his nerve and got him replaced in time b4 any damage done, demonstrating his game instinct, that was totally lacking in RH.

Seems lights are getting much brighter at the end of the Liverpool tunnel :)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on January 23, 2011, 12:09
If you were to read all the major Liverpool forums, you can almost never find a single criticism of KD's leadership and his effort thus far.

Such is the overwhelming support for him, from players, to owners, to fans, and media. In fact, he's fully unleashed each player's potential that the whole team actually looked completely different now. It's a wonder once the team has the will and the belief, how it can propel performance and become much more cohesive.

In contrast, there are a lot more big names in the Man City squad, but they hardly looked like a motivated team at all in yesterday's game.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Momenta on January 23, 2011, 14:06
Finally, the long wait is over and the Reds are playing the familar tactics that makes them one of the fearsome team in the past.

Attack, Attack and Attack is what is lacking under RH.

I think KD together with Clarke have transformed the team totally and make them believe they are championship quality again. Over the last few games, they are more aggressive in their attack and are fighting fiercely for every ball.

However, defence is still shaky and i seriously think they shld go to the market to beef up this department.

Was disappointed that Joe Cole and Pacheco did not play last nite coz would like to see how e 2 players fared under the new coaching and mgt system.

Overall, i m happy with the result and hope the momentum continues in the next game against fullham during midweek
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: freddyhappy on January 23, 2011, 16:01
Strangely, Clarke would know Joe Cole in and out since they were together a long time in Chelsea. What is it implying if he does not fare in KD plan?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on January 23, 2011, 16:42
Gareth Bale on the left and Adam Johnson on the right before the transfer window ends ... please
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on January 23, 2011, 16:50
Re-watched the third goal couple of times. The 30-pass move was, to say the least, heavenly.

If Roy was given more time like what the media would have people believe would we have seen the same level of commitment and confidence on display? Guess not. Kenny did it in 2-3 weeks.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on January 23, 2011, 19:00
On the 3rd goal, I think the last touch by Kuyt was a freak one, think he was trying to nudge it pass the last defender, but ball deflected perfectly onto Torres and he converted it.

Sometimes you can't help but to wonder lady luck is always on the side that has the belief, that is more determine, and put in more effort to try to score. And in this game, pool definitely fitted the bill. Have seen many times this happened to ManU and Chelsea too.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on January 25, 2011, 17:37
sort of, you make your own luck, eh

i like hearing about this playing with fearlessness - let's hope it lasts cuz I haven;t managed a match yet since i got here *sigh*

What do you guys think of Sky getting rid of Gray and Keys in the wake of the correct non-offisde call ... no more Manc fawning from those two at least (not that it'll ever stop...)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: silencer13 on January 25, 2011, 19:52
I wonder if Charlie Adam scores against ManU tonight, will his value go up?

The Sky sports issue is a little dumb.... those 2 are really MCP to the core, but unfortunate for them that a "private" conversation gets taped down and passed to the press.
They're made to look even dumber when it's proven that there really was no offside and the woman ref they insulted was proven right. Maybe someone should explain the offside rule to them.  :P
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on January 25, 2011, 20:02
The Sky sports issue is a little dumb.... those 2 are really MCP to the core, but unfortunate for them that a "private" conversation gets taped down and passed to the press.
They're made to look even dumber when it's proven that there really was no offside and the woman ref they insulted was proven right. Maybe someone should explain the offside rule to them.  :P

No such thing as a "private conversation" when you're miked up and ready to go: apparently it is a basic rule in broadcast journalism to always assume you are "live".

As for being proven right, actually they made the comments even before the game started.  That she got a controversial and difficult offside decision spot-on just shows how dumb they were to make any assumptions about her competence in the first place.  I like how Kenny took the piss out of Sky in the press conference later, asking the Sky interviewer whether he had a problem with there being female journalists present :D 
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on January 25, 2011, 22:17

To quote a scouser in RAWK. ROFL.  ;D

"my scouse crush off Wolf Wonders engender periodic ecstasies, an' Sabu ain't talkin sum Mendeleev skag WRITE SABU PUNDIT.

Slapped headed Mr Roma Relish offer Belgian Harrod van performance i.e deliver the goods Ost End-taciously. Any ol' journo be sayin' it contend "Gola d'Caesar" but in this humble pinion twas thingy booty, a graceful fadin' ark wiv' purity off Vestal Virgin. Bez strike sins Scargill's vs Snatcher.

Sabu incredulous daylight at Gandhi (i.e non-violent) Rampages from the mid feels as Mr Lugar Sliver an' mob hurtle to sport El Nina The Child who snarl an' bite an' taunt Wolf Staidman into shrivelled ball submission. Plus RESPEC' dew to plane Jane super brain Linesman_Girl what display ovaries off steal resist bayin' Wolf crowd two correct identity 1st gol as on sight. Them short, neat, clipp'd passes and movies an' off the ball runny for final gol a page flippin' remind rewind off are reach Herod titch. PLUS Mr Question PoorSon done  partial Betty Ford Clinic session can you have a belief it? More positive in this comprehension away day spatial than fucked blister pack Duracells. Sabu is havin' a cockled hoop! Three goats away from home to take the Mick on gruff McCarthy troll. Thank you very much."
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: silencer13 on January 26, 2011, 02:10
Andy Gray has just been axed. Women's Power sia!
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: landis1 on January 26, 2011, 08:01
such is the confidence for king kenny. or the disdain for fulham ;D

(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y317/landis2002/liverpoolfulham2011.jpg)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on January 26, 2011, 15:00

A little bit of euphoria and a little bit of confidence with no disrespect to Fulham. However one looks at it, I can safely say it has been quite a while since any Reds supporter actually look forward to a match. Proof of any revival is in the pudding but at least it is on the positive side rather than with bleakness.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on January 26, 2011, 15:36
hmmmmmm....... ::)  wonder whether later aginst Fulham, we can get a good result.

YES, must have faith  ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on January 27, 2011, 11:08
rather than saying Fulham pushed harder in 2nd half, thought we were again 'suffering' from 'run out steam' in 2nd half --> Torres did look more tired

Meireles had proven again his pace and position and energy. It would be good to see how Meireles and Gerrard could interchange their position and pace, thus making the mid-field a lot more unpredictable to the other team, and thus allowing more space and creativity, and thus providing more service up front to Torres, thus......it's getting more and more exciting  ;D

it was not a fanciful goal (own goal by Pantsil, and hoping to see him get red carded), but the team play was nice to watch, at least for the 1st half  :D

BUT, the defence is problematic.......can the return of Carragher help? hmmmmm.......if only Hypia is around  ;)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on January 27, 2011, 12:02
got this from lfctv  ;D

sian massey has inherited the new nickname "just for men" because use her once and you get rid of gray....
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on January 27, 2011, 12:12
Here's to a continuation of a decent run. Good call by Massey but poor one by the one last night. Does someone need to explain the offside rule to this linesman?  :P
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: landis1 on January 27, 2011, 15:54
congratulations to liverpool's win, albeit a win by the opponents own goal. but watching the match-after commentary, I wonder who the hell is Phil babb?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on January 27, 2011, 18:56
congratulations to liverpool's win, albeit a win by the opponents own goal. but watching the match-after commentary, I wonder who the hell is Phil babb?

Former Liverpool player IIRC.  He (in)famously once slid in hard and fast for an interception/clearance near the goalpost, and wound up straddling it.  You know how commentators always talk about how the shot cannoned off the goalpost?  In this case, it was his balls that did so... <ouch!>
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on January 27, 2011, 19:26

phil-babb-vasectomy (http://www.gifsoup.com/view/165945/phil-babb-vasectomy.html)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on January 27, 2011, 20:02
So did he commentate in a falsetto?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: landis1 on January 28, 2011, 08:28
love the commitment but ouch ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: yellowhandman on January 28, 2011, 09:38
The years may have caused my memory to become exaggerated, but I do recall Babb staying down for an awful long time. And the entire stadium fell silent because every man in the crowd knew exactly how painful an injury it was...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Momenta on January 28, 2011, 23:00
Cld tt f..k the goal pole stun by Babb "curse start" the downfall of the Reds?? ??? ???
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: jerms on January 29, 2011, 00:26
phil-babb-vasectomy (http://www.gifsoup.com/view/165945/phil-babb-vasectomy.html)

that was probably only positive thing he did during his time there.

one of the worst defenders ever signed by pool.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on January 29, 2011, 02:52
value for money, he's not only good with his legs but also his hands and teeth ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: yellowhandman on January 29, 2011, 09:11
But is Suarez a new partner for Torres...or a replacement?

Or given his World Cup notoriety, is he a new backup for Reina?

-----

Update: Just read that Torres has put in a transfer request. Can Liverpool stand firm as United and City did over Rooney and Tevez? Unfortunately, I think those two were really just about money, whereas for Torres it's about Champions League football.

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: landis1 on January 29, 2011, 10:15
incidentally rooney and tevez too ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Momenta on January 29, 2011, 21:04
If Chelski is willing to pay 60 million pound for Torres, Liverpool should part with him and use the money to buy few better players.

I always think there is no point keeping a player if his heart is not with the club.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on January 29, 2011, 22:00
50mil + Sturridge :)
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: jerms on January 30, 2011, 03:32
value for money, he's not only good with his legs but also his hands and teeth ;D

suarez temperament suspect, might be often suspended.

at least he's not a sicknote like nando.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: scoobydoo on January 31, 2011, 09:24
If sturridge is included in the deal, they should pay us even more to take him off their squad. He's crap!
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: lewlian on January 31, 2011, 09:32

From the gazillion articles written, every dog and its tail is having an opinion. Which in itself is not a bad thing as it means most of the business is conducted behind the scenes with some scraps leaked.

Roy would have been talking non-stop about it and trying to pacify the media.

The poker game is still on...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: SiriuslyCold on January 31, 2011, 09:44
*grrr*

I always think there is no point keeping a player if his heart is not with the club.

true. Although why he has put in a transfer request is a failure on the management's part, i feel.

I'll be glad what all this transfer sh!t is over
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: scoobydoo on January 31, 2011, 18:01
Paul konchesky has been loaned out?!? Who else have we got? Only aurelio i think. Was konchesky really that bad?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Momenta on January 31, 2011, 18:46
If the rumor I read is true, Liverpool is prepared to sell Torres if Chelski is willing to pay cash of 45 m GBP plus Anelka heading the other way.  Earlier, Chelski has tabled 45M plus Struridge turned down.

Seriously speaking, I will prefer cash + struridge as this I feel will benefit liverpool in the long run. Anelka, thought he has passed his prime and maybe too old for the game???
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: yellowhandman on January 31, 2011, 18:58
Sturridge is apparently undergoing a medical at Bolton, so doesn't seem he's headed to 'Pool as part exchange...maybe Anelka instead?
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Post by: cn9601 on January 31, 2011, 19:50
checked up and down, left and right on official LFC site, but just couldnt find any official statement tat Torres had submitted an official xfer request.

"Meanwhile, Dalglish explained how the club had nothing to add to a statement issued on this website on Friday that Fernando Torres had submitted a written transfer request which was rejected by the club."
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/suarez-and-torres-latest


Oni read from various unofficial about his xfer request.

Is it true Torres has submitted the request himself  :o ::) :-[ :-X :-\
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: yellowhandman on January 31, 2011, 20:09
"Meanwhile, Dalglish explained how the club had nothing to add to a statement issued on this website on Friday that Fernando Torres had submitted a written transfer request which was rejected by the club."

Errr...doesn't this quite clearly state that the club rejected a transfer request submitted by Torres?

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: armoury on January 31, 2011, 20:11
If Anelka does return to Liverpool, would that make him even more reviled by ManYoo fans?  

He's played for 3 of the clubs most detested by ManYoo fans: Liverpool, Citeh, and maybe Arsenal, with only Leeds missing from the set.  Chelski doesn't help either, considering who the present-day Big Four are.  
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: yellowhandman on January 31, 2011, 20:14
If Anelka does return to Liverpool, would that make him even more reviled by ManYoo fans? 

Nah, Anelka will always bring fond memories to United supporters because it was his half-hearted penalty that VDS saved to win the Champions League final in Moscow. Plus he also had a goal disallowed for offside in THAT classic 1999 FA Cup semi-final replay, forever remembered for Giggsy's Austin Powers chest hair.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: silencer13 on January 31, 2011, 22:14
This from Soccernet at the moment:
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Chelsea chief executive Ron Gourlay is waiting for Fernando Torres to arrive at the club's training ground in order to complete a deal worth £80 million in transfer fee and wages.

It's gonna be a huge loss for Liverpool if they lose Torres.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on January 31, 2011, 23:06
Rumour has it that LFC has put in a 35 mil pound bid on Caroll  :o  a lot of sterling for divine ponytail?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: francis wu on January 31, 2011, 23:12
Just been informed that Newcastle has accepted offer!  £35 mil for AC!.... :P

KD is crazy!!........ ???
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on January 31, 2011, 23:15
Wow you got friends in high places, but yeah crazy price, David Villa went for less! Should've gone for Pedro with that kind of money. You could've bought Newcastle for 100mil couple years ago
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Post by: francis wu on January 31, 2011, 23:21
Got the app 'footballlite' in my iPad with notification switched on.  Notification every minute of latest football news in England......... :D
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Post by: francis wu on January 31, 2011, 23:32
Btw, £35 mil can buy Blackburn Rovers!....... :P
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: francis wu on January 31, 2011, 23:40
Some comments....
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jan/31/transfer-window-deadline-day-live#block-142
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on January 31, 2011, 23:48
I know but a club cannot buy another club says the FA hahaha
Btw Blackpool just signed Andy Reid - possible replacement for Charlie Adam?
Mommy's boy Konchesky gone on loan to Nott forest
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: silencer13 on January 31, 2011, 23:54
This is madness! They offer so little for Charlie Adam, yet pay 35m for Andy Carroll? Madness!
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on January 31, 2011, 23:58
"Stephen Ireland has failed his medical at Newcastle so the deal's off" I'd take Ireland if his grannies are all gone nevermind his injuries
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: jerms on February 01, 2011, 03:52
dumb nando has to wash off his You'll Never Walk Alone decal transfer.

good riddance to a sick note who only plays half a season for pool costing them big time.

AC arrives CROCKED and should be out for a month.  however he's got tons of potential and not as sicknote, so he'll start paying back the fee in no time.  the archetypical english forward who'll get crazy goals headed the most awkward fashion.  tough for defences to mark.  the only weakness is off-field problems coz he's a true northeast hoodlum who might not blend in when hanging with scouse gangsters at the malls.  a great get for a 22yo 6ft3 striker!
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Momenta on February 01, 2011, 07:12
At the closing of the transfer window :
Out
Torres (sale to Chelsea for 50M)
Konchesky (Loan to Nott Forest)

In
Suarez
Carrol
Thomas

Exciting transfer activity at the close of the window. I seriously do not think that Torres left LFC for football reason but more for money. Chelsea is reportedly offering 200K a week wages compared to 110K a week at LFC.  Given that he is 26 now and is nearing his prime, no one on earth will resist such offer.

My only hope is that Torres will continue his poor form at Chelsea and we shall have the last laugh at the Blues cum end of season.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: westendboy on February 01, 2011, 07:59
In
Suarez
Caroll
Thomas

Who is Thomas?

35mil for a still injured Andy Caroll just don't make any sense to me. Bad move. They are just desperate to sign another striker to partner Suarez before the window closes. Newcastle got a great deal. Who is Thomas?
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on February 01, 2011, 10:08
Probably his quest for BPL & ECL.

Also, who knows may be he does not get along with KD? Also, definitely the new wage at Chelsea is a big pull factor too.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on February 01, 2011, 10:11
This is madness! They offer so little for Charlie Adam, yet pay 35m for Andy Carroll? Madness!
If you considered the first 20Mil is sponsored by Russian, then it's not that bad a deal.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: francis wu on February 01, 2011, 10:34
This is madness! They offer so little for Charlie Adam, yet pay 35m for Andy Carroll? Madness!

AC is a proven goalscorer what!!!......... :).....but at this price, is money down the drain, IMO...... :P
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: francis wu on February 01, 2011, 10:42
Probably his quest for BPL & ECL.


Most likely his weekly paycheck of additional 90K pounds!!....... :-\
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on February 01, 2011, 10:42
Yeah...plus he's a whiner and he got injured falling off a casino chair drunk...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: yellowhandman on February 01, 2011, 10:45
Carroll also hit a woman and was ordered by the court to go and live with his captain, Kevin Nolan, who is a good family man and was supposed to keep an eye on him. He then brought women home to Nolan's house. Brilliant.

Of course, at Liverpool, if he's made to live with his captain, then any DJs who refuse to play Phil Collins will have to face a Gerrard-Carroll tag team!

Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: westendboy on February 01, 2011, 10:53
Carroll also hit a woman and was ordered by the court to go and live with his captain, Kevin Nolan, who is a good family man and was supposed to keep an eye on him. He then brought women home to Nolan's house. Brilliant.

Of course, at Liverpool, if he's made to live with his captain, then any DJs who refuse to play Phil Collins will have to face a Gerrard-Carroll tag team!



Damn funny... u made me laugh out loud!  I could imagine 'em 2 wrestling with some poor sod in a pub and Phil Collins' You Can't Hurry Love playing in the background
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: yellowhandman on February 01, 2011, 11:03
Must admit the bit about him living with Gerrard was inspired by a comment on the Guardian's website...
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Post by: armoury on February 01, 2011, 11:18
Must admit the bit about him living with Gerrard was inspired by a comment on the Guardian's website...

Off topic, but also from the Guardian's website, in relation to St Pauli, the rabble-rousers of the Bundesliga, whose fans are complaining about overcommercialisation:-

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They criticise the installation of 200 business seats and VIP boxes, one of which has been bought by Susis Showbar, a strip club from the neighbouring Reeperbahn. Women were pole-dancing during matches and stripping when St Pauli scored.

Can you imagine a strip club buying a box at Old Trafford or Ashburton Grove??  Although come to think of it, it would make for wonderful synergy for the owners at West Ham... perhaps that's why they're so keen on moving to a larger stadium...
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: kelso on February 01, 2011, 11:38
Long hair, women, boozing, gambling ... if he grew a beard, he could be George Best re-incarnated ... good vision the king

BREAKING NEWS: #Torres fails medical. Doctors couldn't find a heart or soul.  ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Pingu on February 01, 2011, 12:05
I see this as representing all that is wrong with Liverpool. Still chasing one quick fix after another.

Is Carroll really that good? How many heard of him before this season? Liverpool with Torres up front typically played the long ball from Reina route to goal. There were times it worked brilliantly, even against the best teams( OT 2009 for example) but most times it simply didnt. Now with Carroll it looks like pretty much the same thing will continue. I mean, where are the ball playing midfielders? Couldnt the 50 mil have been better spent?  Seems to me the club is still chasing quick fixes. Well, good luck.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: landis1 on February 01, 2011, 12:21
BREAKING NEWS: #Torres fails medical. Doctors couldn't find a heart or soul.  ;D

made me spill my coffee ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Momenta on February 01, 2011, 13:21
I think it is still early to tell whether the acquisition of Suarez and Carroll will rescue Liverpool this season.

Important thing is the new Team must gel and focus on winning each game and who know Liverpool might end up in a better position standing as compared to last season.

As for the "Traitor" who openly says that Chelsea is the team that is fighting for trophies, hope that he stay fits throughout and Chelsea not losing too many of the remaining matches. If not, Chelsea is likely to end up having dust in the trophy cabinet.
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Post by: scoobydoo on February 01, 2011, 13:31
Torres must have came to Liverpool in search of honours at the club level. At present, he already is a World Cup and European Cup, but have little honours at club level.This year, Liverpool is certainly not going to challenge for anything major. There is no guarantee that we are going to be successful next season. We can hardly say that Liverpool is making good progress year on year. It is not difficult for him to look in the direction of Gerrard and realise that if he stays on, he might end up like him, not being able to move on until it is too late.

I am not sure when his current deal ends, but at the very least, he did not do a Owen on us, and leave us with nothing coming our way. He did well for us in his time with us and we did get a 30 million profit ultimately. Disregarding the fact that most might think 35m for AC is too much, (Torres certainly has had no direct influence over the amount we paid), having 2 decent strikers is definitely better than one. Of course, the operative word is "decent".

Personally, I dont blame Torres. At least he didnt leave for Manure or Everton.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: Luv4nature on February 01, 2011, 14:14
True great players lead their teams to glory (like Dalglish for LFC, Diego Forlan for Uruguay, Maradona for his country and club, etc.) by means of personal contributions as well as inspiring team mates to excel. Then there are those who rely on perfect environment to lift them to higher level. Can only say Torres belongs to the latter, on his own he is a limited driving force, not really a great team inspiring player. Also he seems to need closer reinforcement these days. He was able to create his own chances 20 yards from box running into the box and scored 2-3 years back. These days he could hardly score from a distant build up, and is only effective when receiving a well assisted pass at close range. Actually his decline in form is also a direct factor for LFC's under par performance in the last 18 months.

So let's see if he can rediscover his magic at Chelsea, or continue with his decline.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: westendboy on February 01, 2011, 14:37
I hope he continues his dis-form at chelski and hope they they bot a white elephant
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Post by: freddyhappy on February 01, 2011, 14:50
Wow.... Andy Caroll is place among such a great list of footballer.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/873814/liverpool-succeed-with-L35m-bid-for-andy-carroll?campaign=rss&source=soccernet&cc=4716

Newcastle United striker Andy Carroll could become the seventh most expensive player in the history of football after it was confirmed the club have accepted a reported £35 million bid from Liverpool.

Cristiano Ronaldo cost Real Madrid £80 million when joining from Manchester United in 2009, while only Zlatan Ibrahimovic (£60.7 million), Kaka (£56 million), Zinedine Zidane (£45.6 million), Luis Figo (£37 million) and Hernan Crespo (£35.5 million) have cost more than Carroll's reported price.
Title: Re: Liverpool articles/interesting reads/discussion
Post by: cn9601 on February 01, 2011, 15:08
 :'( :-\ :-[  while disheartened I am when Torres decided to hand in xfer request and thereafter turned Blue, he may just shine again at Chelski, with the type of players ard him. Glimpses of better play are comin back under Kenny, but guess he cant wait for it to be sure. Realistically, the type of money being thrown at him will be too tempting not to go  :-\

Andy does look an exciting signing, but to splash £35m --> hopefully not another sick, white elephant  ???

I would have hope Torres to stay and to continue mak