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Title: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on May 14, 2007, 23:54
Hey guys iam itching for a 2nd set up for my Master bedroom as my love nest is goning to be up in a months time.
Will need some advice and recommendations for an affortable tube amp/mini amp ($300-$400 if its possible).
Will be matching it with an Usher S-520.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: weibchen on May 15, 2007, 00:10
hifiluv one not good enough for you meh?
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: DJQ on May 15, 2007, 01:05
wah... count me in too... still hoping to try Dared mp5. but i will be pairing it with my B&W 601 S3. bro darthfunk do u already have a tube amp?
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on May 15, 2007, 01:21
wah... count me in too... still hoping to try Dared mp5. but i will be pairing it with my B&W 601 S3. bro darthfunk do u already have a tube amp?

Bo leh no tube amp. Wanna try some cheap entry level tubes for my bedroom only. Was also thinking of those mirco mini amps. 
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: 2100 on May 15, 2007, 09:44
When going for cheap china amps, be sure to swap out any of those crazy cheong parts and/or cold solder joints. They have a knack of using recycled computer parts and really lousy stuff which can just barely work. And it doesn't help that they squeeze the parts into such small spaces and the heat builds up leading to component failure (usually the caps fail first as they can't do 85 deg C for long).

Even Cayin and Dared are not spared, oscillating issues and stuff when the conditions are wrong. Later going to swap out the coupling caps which have the brand REALCAP to Auricaps. Its not funny when my IR thermometer shows these REALCAPS are operating at about 90 deg C (!!) as they are very near to the EL84, ECC82/83 which are cluster f***ed together with no "breathing holes" around da tubes. Actually if you are operating for an extended period, the tubes shd not be encased as it will heat soak the OPTs (mine are), but luckily nowadays a lot are more open concept. I hope the Nichicons they used are not cheong ones.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: DJQ on May 15, 2007, 10:19
wah meaning if i buy 1 china one i must open up and overhual it huh. i like the Shanling tubeys but hell those china ones are a few k's.  ::)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: 2100 on May 15, 2007, 11:09
wah meaning if i buy 1 china one i must open up and overhual it huh. i like the Shanling tubeys but hell those china ones are a few k's.  ::)

Those are the better ones. You do hear the big difference in the better setups. Some of them do use decent stuff like Mundorf M-cap and M-cap Zn for interstage coupling. Consonance does use auricaps for their better stuff. At this technical/price level of tube stuff, you'll be surprised how much difference resistors and caps give you the final sonic presentation, more than tubes (eg 2A3 vs 300B - the difference in power and overall control esp bass).

Surprisingly the China OPT are quite good in sound (actually heard Tamura nowadays outsourced OEM in China too), so mai hiam buay pai. The OPT are usually expensive and dictate the highest % slice in the overall fidelity slice.

With auricaps costing the price of a regular CD and even the best FEP Teflon Film Tin Foil caps costing less than a Mo-Fi LP, it is a no brainer to mod actually.....even before playing with tubes. Probably $500 on 2pcs of metal base Sylvania 6SN7W improvement is around $50 worth of caps. 

Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on May 15, 2007, 16:00
Bro locally any cheap tube amp or mini amp to recommend or should i try out Dared MP5 from JB?

Cheers!
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Spunky on May 15, 2007, 18:27
Bro locally any cheap tube amp or mini amp to recommend or should i try out Dared MP5 from JB?

Cheers!

MP5 is more like a integrated amp with a tube input stage and solid state output.  But it's really COOL looking!

Skyaudio HERE (http://www.echoloft.com/cgi-bin/buysell/YaBB.cgi?board=hifi&action=display&num=1178850835&start=0) has a used el34 mini amp for sale.  u can go and audition.

Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: 2100 on May 15, 2007, 19:17
wah meaning if i buy 1 china one i must open up and overhual it huh.
Just an update, changed my Cayin HA-1A cathode follower from some fugged up no-brand electrolytic to Blackgate NX, and the interstage coupling from REALCAP (!!) to Audience's auricap. Wah lan eh, can only use expletives to describe the new sound. Absolutely no horse run. The fidelity leap is more than from the stock chinese toobs to Tesla 803S, Tesla 802S (not cheap!) and JJ EL84.....to give you a rough idea. I actually wanted to go all the way and yank in the Solen FEP teflons but....too ex.

And the best part is one of the stock electrolytic cap was plugged in the wrong way.  8) Coz Printed Circuit Board got white and "transparent" green printing to line up with the cap's white line, one side's cap is different from the other side one. I told you liao, Chinese really power. Its like tube manufacturing, the ulu low-end ones reaping low profits will be done by cheap labour (which is already F cheap in China), while the good stuff like 845/300B will be done by the trained workers. Its the same with Hous, AS, PL....coz all OEM from Spark-Cayin or some other. Maybe just extra QC or something.  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: synthesis on May 15, 2007, 20:25
This is the inside of Dared MP5. Seems to be well built. So what can be modded; those green caps near the volume control?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/yusuf_ar/MP5inside.jpg)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on May 15, 2007, 20:41
Guys what do you think of this Trends TA-10 Class-T Stereo Audio Amplifier?

(http://www.goodsound.com/equipment/pics/200705_trends_10_1_rearb.jpg)

About $190 dollars damm cheap!

http://www.trendsaudio.com/EN/Product/TA-10_feature.htm

http://www.goodsound.com/equipment.shtml


Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: 2100 on May 15, 2007, 20:46
This is the inside of Dared MP5. Seems to be well built. So what can be modded; those green caps near the volume control?
Yes, looks like they using Silver mica stuff. (my Almarro 318B stock also!)  Size doesn't look too big, so i reckon pretty manageable uF. I think they may rate it as pF, so the numbers may look large. A 0.22uF Auricap is only $17 each at Auntie's. But the MP5 is a hybrid tube/SS, so i do not know if the transistor may that out some of that "magic". Coz solid state when not done right/properly sounds really not nice.

Darthfunk, the Trends is a really good amp....will not loose to 1K solid states after mods, if you do not need the power. Again, simple mods like changing the Bennic cap and using battery power.   ;D  Sorry, mod again.


Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on May 15, 2007, 20:58
Darthfunk, the Trends is a really good amp....will not loose to 1K solid states after mods, if you do not need the power. Again, simple mods like changing the Bennic cap and using battery power.   ;D  Sorry, mod again.

Since its for my bedroom i might just give it a try.
Btw who can mod this amp locally?  ;D

Next up CDP, where to find a below $300 CDP but at half the size.  ???
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: 2100 on May 15, 2007, 22:06
Since its for my bedroom i might just give it a try.
Btw who can mod this amp locally?  ;D
Erm...its more like DIY.  ;D  It's cheap afterall, so spending 50 bucks labour is like bo hua. But if you do not have solder wick, iron, good solder investment, then....   :P   But actually can just try out the battery power first, a 30AH SLA battery shd be sufficient and about $60 only. Though non-exotic, the stock Bennic XPP metallized polypropylene film caps in the Trends 10.1 version are actually quite ok (cost about $2)....same as Auricap actually (which is a $$ exotic cap actually)....  Its be theorised that the main factor affecting the sound is the dielectric absorption...and besides the amp is targetted at mid-fi region, so this can pass. That doesn't stop people using it in better systems though.  :) 

Of coz, the Mundorf Silver Gold is also metallized polypropylene.  ::)  You will not mistake a Bennic XPP sound for a Mundorf Silver Gold.

Auricap in SG can buy, coz auntie vong is selling cheaply. For eg, 1.0uF is S$21, PCX is selling nearly usd18
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: synthesis on May 15, 2007, 22:37
Guys what do you think of this Trends TA-10 Class-T Stereo Audio Amplifier?

About $190 dollars damm cheap!



Not for long.  :P
http://www.echoloft.com/cgi-bin/buysell/YaBB.cgi?board=hifi&action=display&num=1179155780
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on May 20, 2007, 19:01
Just realise the DaredMP5 are left with red and black in stock  :-\ Wonder when will they have stock for the Silver or White  ???

Price is 200USD + 19 USD (shipping)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: petetherock on May 20, 2007, 21:21
Bro
where do you get this from, interested in trying a tube amp, and I guess this is the cheapest entry into it.
Wondering if its enough to drive a pair of Usher 520?
Wanna MO this?

Just realise the DaredMP5 are left with red and black in stock  :-\ Wonder when will they have stock for the Silver or White  ???

Price is 200USD + 19 USD (shipping)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: tinytok on May 20, 2007, 22:11
MIC Arai 6P1 full tube integrated at 10watts into 8 ohms is enough to drive my Wharfedale Diamond 8.4 in my 5by6m living room

However, demanding track may sound demanding...after all this is a mini tube amp.
With vocal like cai qing and fei yu qing, no problem at all.

So far have problem playing sister drum and hotel california where the bass "octave" is not convincing.
Anyway, the only time i heard sister drum playing nicely was during 1997 or 98 i think when i was at the hifi show listening it on Wilson Watt Puppy setup.
other than that, worth my S$350+ bucks.

What surprises me is that some CDs which sound okie in Solid state amp actually sounds like "dung" when play thru this amp. I wonder if it is so revealing for tube amp. CDs involve are those songs converted from LPs.

In the process to bid more different MIC tube AMP.
 ;D ;D
Bro
where do you get this from, interested in trying a tube amp, and I guess this is the cheapest entry into it.
Wondering if its enough to drive a pair of Usher 520?
Wanna MO this?

Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: hifiluv on May 20, 2007, 22:13
the MP5 is not a true tube amp, its has 2 x 6N1 preamp tubes with a SS power output.  

if u want a true amp, can consider tis -
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/wooso/d0e2_1_b.jpg)

pretty decent power, 35W x 2, with EL34 power tubes, the last bid won incl shipping/ ins was 100GBP, so about $300, so its even cheaper than the MP5. however, the MP5 is very well built and real value for $, so end of the day, its depends on what u like..

i m now entreat to see which one (MP5 or mini tube) will outlast the other,  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: petetherock on May 20, 2007, 23:00
Can you bros put the links to these amps
Hoping to get something under $300?

Thanks
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on May 20, 2007, 23:01
Bro
where do you get this from, interested in trying a tube amp, and I guess this is the cheapest entry into it.
Wondering if its enough to drive a pair of Usher 520?
Wanna MO this?


Dont think this one can MO. It should be able to drive the Usher 520.

Another cheap mini amp iam considering is the Trend TA-10.1 which cost $190. Note it wont go loud but if you are going to put it in the bed room like me then it should be sufficent.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: petetherock on May 20, 2007, 23:02
Can't find any dared for USD 200, where did you get that darth?
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on May 20, 2007, 23:06
Can't find any dared for USD 200, where did you get that darth?

http://www.echoloft.com/cgi-bin/buysell/YaBB.cgi?board=hifi&action=display&num=1179464428

They posted in echoloft. I have emailed them they only have red and black in stock at the moment. I told them to email me once the Silver is in stock. There are a total of 4 colours red, black, white and silver.

(http://www.johnblue-audio.com/product/pic/mp5b.jpg)(http://www.johnblue-audio.com/product/pic/mp5w.jpg)(http://www.johnblue-audio.com/product/pic/mp5s.jpg)

Here is their website http://www.johnblue-audio.com/
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: petetherock on May 20, 2007, 23:15
Thanks, red will suit me fine.
Going to get soon, wanna do it together.
PS: pm you on racks
http://www.echoloft.com/cgi-bin/buysell/YaBB.cgi?board=hifi&action=display&num=1179464428

They posted in echoloft. I have emailed them they only have red and black in stock at the moment. I told them to email me once the Silver is in stock. There are a total of 4 colours red, black, white and silver.

(http://www.johnblue-audio.com/product/pic/mp5b.jpg)(http://www.johnblue-audio.com/product/pic/mp5w.jpg)(http://www.johnblue-audio.com/product/pic/mp5s.jpg)

Here is their website http://www.johnblue-audio.com/

Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on May 20, 2007, 23:25
Actually i can consider the black since the Ushers are piano black themself. Anyone here have the black MP5 can comment on the colour?
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: synthesis on May 20, 2007, 23:49
Actually i can consider the black since the Ushers are piano black themself. Anyone here have the black MP5 can comment on the colour?


What comment do you want?  ;D

(http://www.geocities.com/yusuf_apsoro/MP5-Consonance.JPG)

Black MP5 will match better with piano gloss speaker rather than silver one.

Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: DJQ on May 20, 2007, 23:51
wah so nice... ;)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on May 20, 2007, 23:56


What comment do you want?  ;D

(http://www.geocities.com/yusuf_apsoro/MP5-Consonance.JPG)

Black MP5 will match better with piano gloss speaker rather than silver one.


Is the black MP5 yours? It looks pretty alright in your pic, the one on the web was so so looking.

Actually you are right the black should match the speakers bettter than Silver  ;D

Hey Pete when are u ordering? I dont need it till 2nd week of June when my place is up, unless you dont mind if i leave it at your place first?
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on May 21, 2007, 00:27
Btw the usb portion where you connect to the pc is for?
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: petetherock on May 21, 2007, 06:22
Sure I can store for you.
Buzz me, I am going to order today if possible.
P

BTW just before I push the button, can anyone else offer any alternatives?

Btw the usb portion where you connect to the pc is for?
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: zapp on May 21, 2007, 09:55
I think the mp5 or those MIC mini tubes are the best bang for the buck. I own both types and so far extremely pleased w them :p
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: SiriuslyCold on May 21, 2007, 10:32
heck, we can even help break it in for you... ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: synthesis on May 21, 2007, 13:14
heck, we can even help break it in for you... ;D



I wonder whether we can poison SiriuslyCold with MP5 or one of those mini amps..  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: petetherock on May 21, 2007, 13:16
Aiyah come lah all buy one, hey with 6 you can create a HT system!
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: SiriuslyCold on May 21, 2007, 13:49
synthesis, I'm not an audiophile and impervious to poison ;D

actually I already have mini amps (T-class one using, one dead)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: tinytok on May 21, 2007, 17:54
Maybe we can test first by gathering all mini amp owner to your place and try your marantz pre-out for HT...!

Aiyah come lah all buy one, hey with 6 you can create a HT system!
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on May 21, 2007, 18:15
Btw anyone here know how the USB portion to pc works? Still puzzled on how this works?  ???
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: petetherock on May 21, 2007, 18:18
Yeah, tube HT!

USB acts as a speaker (googles this)
Hey on a seperate note, can you update your amp review, want to know more :)
Maybe we can test first by gathering all mini amp owner to your place and try your marantz pre-out for HT...!

Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: 2100 on May 21, 2007, 18:46
Home Theatre on tubes ahh.... think better not. The explosions won't sound good one lar.   ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: tinytok on May 21, 2007, 18:50
Reviews On the mini AMP?

Let it burn for a few more weekends....currently the setup

Arai Mini Tube 6P1
Marantz CD6000 OSE LE
Belden 89207 1.5m interconnect with Canare plugs
QED Silver 25th anniversary
Wharefedale Diamond 8.4
"Voodoo" Caps

After the review, i will change cables....most likely to try Belden 1313A or 1307
Then review again....
 
 

Yeah, tube HT!

USB acts as a speaker (googles this)
Hey on a seperate note, can you update your amp review, want to know more :)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: petetherock on May 21, 2007, 18:53
No no, it can be good, the bass is still handled by the sub, so th highs are more delicate and warm now :)

Home Theatre on tubes ahh.... think better not. The explosions won't sound good one lar.   ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: hifiluv on May 21, 2007, 21:27
Reviews On the mini AMP?

Let it burn for a few more weekends....currently the setup

Arai Mini Tube 6P1
Marantz CD6000 OSE LE
Belden 89207 1.5m interconnect with Canare plugs
QED Silver 25th anniversary
Wharefedale Diamond 8.4
"Voodoo" Caps

After the review, i will change cables....most likely to try Belden 1313A or 1307
Then review again....

you got to try the 1313A, it upgraded my bedroom set to a living room setup.. really open up the sound with kicks..... ;)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on May 22, 2007, 00:18
the MP5 is not a true tube amp, its has 2 x 6N1 preamp tubes with a SS power output.  

if u want a true amp, can consider tis -
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/wooso/d0e2_1_b.jpg)

pretty decent power, 35W x 2, with EL34 power tubes, the last bid won incl shipping/ ins was 100GBP, so about $300, so its even cheaper than the MP5. however, the MP5 is very well built and real value for $, so end of the day, its depends on what u like..

i m now entreat to see which one (MP5 or mini tube) will outlast the other,  ;D

Bro i saw this in the web and it seems cheaper then the MP5 so whats the diff between this and the MP5? Iam pretty tempted to hit the bid button lol!

Omg iam being poision badly help! :P
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: petetherock on May 22, 2007, 05:26
Hi
Can you provide a link to this please?


I went to ebay to see some amps but they charge a lot more for shipping (make their $$ that way)

the MP5 is not a true tube amp, its has 2 x 6N1 preamp tubes with a SS power output.  

if u want a true amp, can consider tis -
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/wooso/d0e2_1_b.jpg)

pretty decent power, 35W x 2, with EL34 power tubes, the last bid won incl shipping/ ins was 100GBP, so about $300, so its even cheaper than the MP5. however, the MP5 is very well built and real value for $, so end of the day, its depends on what u like..

i m now entreat to see which one (MP5 or mini tube) will outlast the other,  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: hifiluv on May 22, 2007, 07:08
http://stores.ebay.com/Feedback-UpUpUp-99p-WinWinWin

my mini amp bought fm Jenny Chan's ebay store, shipped fm HK but bid in GBP.  my just arrived speaker wires also fm her.  i stayed with her becos she is very responsive and shipped on the every day payment is cleared and she also responds to emails quite fast.

when i was tracking the EL34 mini, the bid was won at 27GBP, shipping 58 + ins 15 = 100 GBP.  buying a Intl Draft fm Post Office has a bank charge of $8 and a registered mail to send draft over, tat all you need.  shipping by surface mail, indicated as 5-9 weeks, but so i received items on wk 5. 

hv your pick ..... :)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on May 22, 2007, 10:29
The item is cheap but the shipping in pounds in a killer!  :'(

hifiluv comparing this and the MP5 whats the diff and how you prefer one from the other?

The MP5 looks nicer but the EL34 has more power. Since iam new to this and the price is relatively cheap i dont mind trying out either one hmm. ???

Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: zapp on May 22, 2007, 10:31
Thats how they avoid taxes etc over at the seller's end.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: hifiluv on May 22, 2007, 10:48
The item is cheap but the shipping in pounds in a killer!  :'(

hifiluv comparing this and the MP5 whats the diff and how you prefer one form the other?

remember its a bid, sometimes seller "allow" a relative low bid to win, but not all the time, 27 GBP is considered low, i hv seen bids up to 45GBP to win tis EL34.

actually very hard to compare MP5 with mini tube, becos the sound is very different.  the MP5 is good for clean n clear sound but not as fluid as the full tube amp, whereas the full tube is sweet but do not hv the same "control" as the MP5.

the MP5 is good for those who want a bedroom setup becos it does not generate as much heat. running the mini tube in an aircon bedroom will hv your elec bill up.  but if u want to experience tube sound, then the mini tube amp is a better option and in my experience, just changing my spk wire to 1313A, i can set up the mini tube in the living room (5 x 4.5mtr) and it gives very full bodied sound as compared to previous when i use Canare 4S11. put the MP5 in the living room, it sounds "inadequate".

my current music is mostly Cherry Ma, Lily Chen, Great Basso n instrumental (not complex orchestra) so i use the mini tube more. the MP5 is resited to my daugther's room where she listen to all kind of music but once in a while, i will setup to listen for myself.... ah...... its still damn good man..... ;D

so it depends on what you are looking for. 

hope tis help.  :)

Zapp Xiong Di, u also hv both babies, care to comment, MP5 vs mini tube, Tks
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on May 22, 2007, 10:50
Thats how they avoid taxes etc over at the seller's end.

zapp since you own both the MP5 and this MIC tubes. Whats are your comments and personal recommendations.  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on May 22, 2007, 11:03
remember its a bid, sometimes seller "allow" a relative low bid to win, but not all the time, 27 GBP is considered low, i hv seen bids up to 45GBP to win tis EL34.

actually very hard to compare MP5 with mini tube, becos the sound is very different.  the MP5 is good for clean n clear sound but not as fluid as the full tube amp, whereas the full tube is sweet but do not hv the same "control" as the MP5.

the MP5 is good for those who want a bedroom setup becos it does not generate as much heat. running the mini tube in an aircon bedroom will hv your elec bill up.  but if u want to experience tube sound, then the mini tube amp is a better option and in my experience, just changing my spk wire to 1313A, i can set up the mini tube in the living room (5 x 4.5mtr) and it gives very full bodied sound as compared to previous when i use Canare 4S11. put the MP5 in the living room, it sounds "inadequate".

so it depends on what you are looking for. 

hope tis help.  :)

Bro this is a great help. Its for the bedroom, since you mention it eats up alot of electricity and produces alot of heat i'll go with the MP5.

Its the MP5 for now!  ;D

Once my house is up and if my fingers are itching i may get the EL34 to try it out in the hall lol ;D
Btw the EL34 can drive floor standers right?

Thanks again for the insight!
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: zapp on May 22, 2007, 11:30
hmm how to say lol.

MP5 - to me it has a more refined and controlled sound but lacking in "punch" factor. But will do nicely in a bedroom setting. Power definitely not as solid as the MIC amp so is more suited for bedroom use. Aesthetically mroe appealing also. Now currently deployed in my office. BTW i brought this over to my cousin's place before and he was using these 4ohm 90 something dB floorstanders made in france speakers. SUPER SOLID BASS - i guess speakers really play a part in matching this gem.

MIC mini amp - very "powerful" and enveloping sound, it literally fills the room and i feel my bed shake lol. It really gives the speakers a workout as i hear bass from this amp which even my SR8001 or MP5 cant do. I remember when i was playing Jennifer Warnes "Way down deep" the feeling is SHIOK man lol. I even used it in my living room with my floorstanders, it filled the 3x5m room easily. However, the bass is not as controlled and is quite wobbly. Now deployed in my bedroom. Runs too hot and still has a "smell" due to the heat and dunno what they use as a material that causes the smell.

Both are v good amps IMO as they give a sound that SS amps cant. For its price, i think its a no brainer.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: hifiluv on May 22, 2007, 11:37
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/wooso/oic04.jpg)

yep, hv to agree with Zapp, looks n built, nothing comes close,  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on May 22, 2007, 11:47
hmm how to say lol.

MP5 - to me it has a more refined and controlled sound but lacking in "punch" factor. But will do nicely in a bedroom setting. Power definitely not as solid as the MIC amp so is more suited for bedroom use. Aesthetically mroe appealing also. Now currently deployed in my office. BTW i brought this over to my cousin's place before and he was using these 4ohm 90 something dB floorstanders made in france speakers. SUPER SOLID BASS - i guess speakers really play a part in matching this gem.

MIC mini amp - very "powerful" and enveloping sound, it literally fills the room and i feel my bed shake lol. It really gives the speakers a workout as i hear bass from this amp which even my SR8001 or MP5 cant do. I remember when i was playing Jennifer Warnes "Way down deep" the feeling is SHIOK man lol. I even used it in my living room with my floorstanders, it filled the 3x5m room easily. However, the bass is not as controlled and is quite wobbly. Now deployed in my bedroom. Runs too hot and still has a "smell" due to the heat and dunno what they use as a material that causes the smell.

Both are v good amps IMO as they give a sound that SS amps cant. For its price, i think its a no brainer.

Great write up bro! I think i dont want to over poision myself first till my new place is done up. Another factor is the WAF, i think iam goner have a hard time explaining the bedroom set up lol  :-X
Seriously i dont mind getting the EL34 in the later part since the price is pretty cheap to try out.

Bro Zapp your hall set up is the Marantz 8001 and a tube amp ah? I guess you have to always swap the speaker cables whenever you wanna listen it with the tube eh?
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: zapp on May 22, 2007, 12:32
I sometimes take the MIC mini amp out to the living room if i really want to listen to some vocals in the hall. Now i dont do it at all lol cos too lazy to unplug the cables - just use the SR8001 for ambience listening.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: DJQ on May 22, 2007, 12:47
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/wooso/oic04.jpg)

yep, hv to agree with Zapp, looks n built, nothing comes close,  ;D

oh my god.... so nice...  :o
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on May 22, 2007, 12:50
Mai tu liao get one for yourself!  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: DJQ on May 22, 2007, 13:30
Mai tu liao get one for yourself!  ;D

haha, i need to setup my home ready 1st. i will need to test whether the mp5 connect to DM601 will sound "ok" anot mah.  :)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: petetherock on May 22, 2007, 13:46
Emailed them, no response on the red one yet :(
Waiting for a bro to confirm shipping.

One more difference is the usb port. It allows the MP5 (sounds like my personal weapon!) to act as a speaker when connected to a PC - recognises it as a speaker

That was the main point for me plus the fact that I can use it with my red Ushers
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: zapp on May 22, 2007, 16:32
White ones looks like this

(http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/9135/mp5light2ec.jpg)

In the dark lol this is like almost one year ago when MP5 was hot topic.

(http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/1863/mp5dark4yz.jpg)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on May 22, 2007, 16:34
Yea the white is nice  :o

Well the white and the silver are not in stock. Currently only black and red available.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: petetherock on May 22, 2007, 16:58
Online with the seller Tommy, no savings for multiple items, so paying now. Bro if yo want to use my place, pm me for my address.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on May 22, 2007, 17:05
Online with the seller Tommy, no savings for multiple items, so paying now. Bro if yo want to use my place, pm me for my address.

Its ok bro dont wanna trouble you. I just order it next week went i get my keys  ;D
Btw how long did they mention it will take for it to deliver?
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: petetherock on May 22, 2007, 17:07
空運要7天  不包含假日

or in english --- 1 week :)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on May 22, 2007, 17:10
空運要7天  不包含假日

or in english --- 1 week :)

Thanks as long as they dont increase the price and have stock then no problem for me to get it later. Boy i just realise 1 more week to go before i get hold of my keys. Alot of work to do soon.

Btw Pete iam going down to order the Queenie rack today wanna join me to check it out yourself?
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: tinytok on May 26, 2007, 09:03
Arai Mini Made in China Tube Amp 6P1 tubes 10Watts push-pull class A (S$300-350)
Marantz CD6000 OSE LE
Belden 82907A 1.5m interconnects
Wharfedale Diamond 8.4 FloorStanding Speakers
QED Sliver 25th Annivasary
"Voodoo" Caps
Source used: Cai Qin Jin Pian Zi (not made in China)

 
Experience with Tube before: none
Compared with: Solid State Onkyo AVR TX-SR604(S$650) AV Receiver in Pure Audio mode.

The setup is being warm up for 12 hours before this audition given that the Amp is new.

Timing
Its a bit slow compared to SS amp. However, if you are going into Slow music and Vocals,
It should not affect much.

Dynamics
Given a fast track like pop or techno, the amp can't handle it. Totally lost control with techno.
However, slow rock still sounds good.

Vocals
This is the best from this AMP. Sweet warm drooling Vocals. It handle female vocals better.
You will begin to experience what is a liquid sound....

Intrumentations separation
Instrument separation is there but the Onkyo does it better.

Treble
For my system, it is on the dark side as some would say due to wharfedale speakers sonic i suppose.
But the QED i found it a good match. In the case of Tube amp, i would prefer the treble to go up slightly.

Bass
Sistem Drum still sounds better on SS. But other than that, bass from this amp actually sound full.
Some would put it, if you want impact, go for the kilowatts.

Conclusion
Its a worth for money amp. Simple and elegant vocal.
However, it can be quiet revealing about the source.
If a CD recording is MIC low grade, it will say so.

What else you guys want to know?

Yeah, tube HT!

USB acts as a speaker (googles this)
Hey on a seperate note, can you update your amp review, want to know more :)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: hifiluv on May 26, 2007, 10:07
for those who want to get their feet wet ( for liquid sound)  ;D, can chk out the Aria EL34 set as S Audio, asking $380.

(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/wooso/d0e2_1_b.jpg)

http://www.echoloft.com/cgi-bin/buysell/YaBB.cgi?board=hifi&action=display&num=1179974278
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: petetherock on May 26, 2007, 10:42
Nice review!
Waiting for my MP5 :)

Arai Mini Made in China Tube Amp 6P1 tubes 10Watts push-pull class A (S$300-350)
Marantz CD6000 OSE LE
Belden 82907A 1.5m interconnects
Wharfedale Diamond 8.4 FloorStanding Speakers
QED Sliver 25th Annivasary
"Voodoo" Caps
Source used: Cai Qin Jin Pian Zi (not made in China)

 
Experience with Tube before: none
Compared with: Solid State Onkyo AVR TX-SR604(S$650) AV Receiver in Pure Audio mode.

The setup is being warm up for 12 hours before this audition given that the Amp is new.

Timing
Its a bit slow compared to SS amp. However, if you are going into Slow music and Vocals,
It should not affect much.

Dynamics
Given a fast track like pop or techno, the amp can't handle it. Totally lost control with techno.
However, slow rock still sounds good.

Vocals
This is the best from this AMP. Sweet warm drooling Vocals. It handle female vocals better.
You will begin to experience what is a liquid sound....

Intrumentations separation
Instrument separation is there but the Onkyo does it better.

Treble
For my system, it is on the dark side as some would say due to wharfedale speakers sonic i suppose.
But the QED i found it a good match. In the case of Tube amp, i would prefer the treble to go up slightly.

Bass
Sistem Drum still sounds better on SS. But other than that, bass from this amp actually sound full.
Some would put it, if you want impact, go for the kilowatts.

Conclusion
Its a worth for money amp. Simple and elegant vocal.
However, it can be quiet revealing about the source.
If a CD recording is MIC low grade, it will say so.

What else you guys want to know?

Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: petetherock on May 26, 2007, 10:42
Can't find it at that link?

for those who want to get their feet wet ( for liquid sound)  ;D, can chk out the Aria EL34 set as S Audio, asking $380.

(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/wooso/d0e2_1_b.jpg)

http://www.echoloft.com/cgi-bin/buysell/YaBB.cgi?board=hifi&action=display&num=1179974278
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: hifiluv on May 26, 2007, 10:44
Can't find it at that link?


its just a one liner, item 10 but no pic :)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: petetherock on May 26, 2007, 10:50
Good review:
http://www.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?t=128899

Nice buy for 3xx plus.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: hifiluv on May 26, 2007, 11:08
Good review:
http://www.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?t=128899

Nice buy for 3xx plus.


Interesting review and a tweak -

"The transformers do produce an audible hum. Some of the sound comes from outer casing resonance. Putting a nickel on the casing (see picture) successfully reduces the hum "

fm what i understand, all tube amps produce hum, but usually not audible unless u place yr ears very close to the speakers and normally do not effect the overall sound.

also agree the comments, the sweetest sound is fm EL84s, EL34s is more "muscular", 6L6 is even more, then KT66, KT88...so it again its indv taste lah.... :)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on May 26, 2007, 22:59
Bro hifiluv thanks for being a great host and the hospitality to me and my friend. We had a great time and its a good learning session as well. After hearing the MP5 and the 6P1 amp i know what i really want now. Your Consonance was awesome man! Awesom price tag too  :o !

EL34 here i come! ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: petetherock on May 27, 2007, 00:15
Pity I missed it, pirates wasn't as happening as I expected, your tube demo was prob better :)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on May 27, 2007, 00:38
Pity I missed it, pirates wasn't as happening as I expected, your tube demo was prob better :)


Yea caught pirates on friday night was entertaining but not spectacular.

Yes the audtion session was fantastic and bro hifiluv was a great host!  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: bolts on May 27, 2007, 10:15
Arai Mini Made in China Tube Amp 6P1 tubes 10Watts push-pull class A (S$300-350)
Marantz CD6000 OSE LE
Belden 82907A 1.5m interconnects
Wharfedale Diamond 8.4 FloorStanding Speakers
QED Sliver 25th Annivasary
"Voodoo" Caps
Source used: Cai Qin Jin Pian Zi (not made in China)

 
Experience with Tube before: none
Compared with: Solid State Onkyo AVR TX-SR604(S$650) AV Receiver in Pure Audio mode.

The setup is being warm up for 12 hours before this audition given that the Amp is new.

Timing
Its a bit slow compared to SS amp. However, if you are going into Slow music and Vocals,
It should not affect much.

Dynamics
Given a fast track like pop or techno, the amp can't handle it. Totally lost control with techno.
However, slow rock still sounds good.

Vocals
This is the best from this AMP. Sweet warm drooling Vocals. It handle female vocals better.
You will begin to experience what is a liquid sound....

Intrumentations separation
Instrument separation is there but the Onkyo does it better.

Treble
For my system, it is on the dark side as some would say due to wharfedale speakers sonic i suppose.
But the QED i found it a good match. In the case of Tube amp, i would prefer the treble to go up slightly.

Bass
Sistem Drum still sounds better on SS. But other than that, bass from this amp actually sound full.
Some would put it, if you want impact, go for the kilowatts.

Conclusion
Its a worth for money amp. Simple and elegant vocal.
However, it can be quiet revealing about the source.
If a CD recording is MIC low grade, it will say so.

What else you guys want to know?


What about a tube pre-amp matched with SS power amp?

That might address the "chortcomings" of full tube system.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: hifiluv on May 27, 2007, 14:16
Yea caught pirates on friday night was entertaining but not spectacular.

Yes the audtion session was fantastic and bro hifiluv was a great host!  ;D

ha ha... u re most welcome, glad to hear tat it helps u make a decision......so tube sound sweet n nice ah........ another tube convert on the pipeline...... ;D

btw... talking about hum on tube amps....power on the MP5 n 6P1 and place my ears nice to the speakers,MP5 got hum on both sides but 6P1 got no hum leh, infact total silence, even on volume to max (without playing any CDs).... so what does tat mean.... the mini tube not a true tube amp  ???
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: hifiluv on May 27, 2007, 14:23
What about a tube pre-amp matched with SS power amp?

That might address the "chortcomings" of full tube system.


or use a tube buffer btw cdp and SS integrated amp for small $.... ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on May 27, 2007, 15:08
ha ha... u re most welcome, glad to hear tat it helps u make a decision......so tube sound sweet n nice ah........ another tube convert on the pipeline...... ;D

btw... talking about hum on tube amps....power on the MP5 n 6P1 and place my ears nice to the speakers,MP5 got hum on both sides but 6P1 got no hum leh, infact total silence, even on volume to max (without playing any CDs).... so what does tat mean.... the mini tube not a true tube amp  ???

Does it mean that tubes are suppose to hum? Correct me if iam wrong.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: synthesis on May 27, 2007, 23:56
Does it mean that tubes are suppose to hum? Correct me if iam wrong.


I order tube amp mai hum.  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: maxngck on May 28, 2007, 07:16


I order tube amp mai hum.  ;D  ;D

hahaaa ;D mai hum mai hum mai hum....... ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: hifiluv on May 28, 2007, 07:20
tube amp mai hum, but when comes to laksa or fried kway tiao, hum jiue jiue...  yum yum and tis got quota, can eat only once in a month or so  :)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Spunky on May 29, 2007, 10:37
What about a tube pre-amp matched with SS power amp?

That might address the "chortcomings" of full tube system.


There are actually tube amps that can sound very s/s and also amps that were designed to colour the playback to give a tubey sound.

Many yrs back there was the MF X10D tube buffer which the Stereophile highly recommended to enhance budget systems.  However, to many tube purist, this little device colours the music playback and thus increase the enjoyment.

For those who are less concerned about hi-fidelity, this is one gadget to try! ;)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on May 29, 2007, 12:44
Bloody hell some cowboy place such a high max bid for the EL34!  >: Arggggg!
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Spunky on May 29, 2007, 15:10
Bloody hell some cowboy place such a high max bid for the EL34!  >: Arggggg!

cannot always sell at low price, right! ::)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: zapp on May 29, 2007, 15:21
wait for the next one lor...plenty on sale lol
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on May 29, 2007, 17:40
Ya lor have to wait for the next available one sob  :'(

IWell i thought my max bid was pretty decent but still got out bidded damm sad.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on May 29, 2007, 18:10
Btw whats the diff between a KT88 and EL34 in terms of sound?

Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: hifiluv on May 29, 2007, 21:51
Btw whats the diff between a KT88 and EL34 in terms of sound?



u need to hear it for yourself to decide, KT88 x 2 is min 40W per channel, tats power if u want it.  u will get more robust sound, but at the extent of losing some sweetness, tis is my opinion.  so it depends on what type of sound u are looking for.  :)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: tinytok on May 29, 2007, 22:10
Your sentences really make me think twice about getting a MC10L or 5881 which is both more power than my 10w 6p1.

u need to hear it for yourself to decide, KT88 x 2 is min 40W per channel, tats power if u want it.  u will get more robust sound, but at the extent of losing some sweetness, tis is my opinion.  so it depends on what type of sound u are looking for.  :)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on May 29, 2007, 22:48
Your sentences really make me think twice about getting a MC10L or 5881 which is both more power than my 10w 6p1.


Bro you got out bidded by that french fellow right. His max bid was too high to continue. Damm ang mo!
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on May 29, 2007, 22:50
u need to hear it for yourself to decide, KT88 x 2 is min 40W per channel, tats power if u want it.  u will get more robust sound, but at the extent of losing some sweetness, tis is my opinion.  so it depends on what type of sound u are looking for.  :)

Iam not too concern about power what i want is clarity and sweetness. After hearing your Consonance EL34 iam won over by it!  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: tinytok on May 30, 2007, 07:24
In another way, we make him bid higer and pay more too.

Anyway, i am "not allow" to stay up late to see the end bidding.

I bid the price i want and goes to sleep. kekke....

Bro you got out bidded by that french fellow right. His max bid was too high to continue. Damm ang mo!
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: hifiluv on May 30, 2007, 07:46
http://cgi.ebay.com/Pure-Class-A-Valvole-Valve-Tube-Int-Amplifier-EL34A-NR_W0QQitemZ130117252375QQihZ003QQcategoryZ3280QQcmdZViewItem

wow... mkt is hot for tis baby, now bid stands at 33 GBP with 18 hours to go.... :P
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on May 30, 2007, 15:03
http://cgi.ebay.com/Pure-Class-A-Valvole-Valve-Tube-Int-Amplifier-EL34A-NR_W0QQitemZ130117252375QQihZ003QQcategoryZ3280QQcmdZViewItem

wow... mkt is hot for tis baby, now bid stands at 33 GBP with 18 hours to go.... :P

Well this cowboy has place such a high max bid that my max bid couldnt outbid him! Oh well have to wait for the next available one.  :-\
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 02, 2007, 13:00
Well still got 2d 13hr to go hope i dont get outbidded.  :-X
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: synthesis on June 02, 2007, 20:57
Well still got 2d 13hr to go hope i dont get outbidded.  :-X


Aleady GBP 38. Please continue...  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 03, 2007, 01:06


Aleady GBP 38. Please continue...  ;D

Na not goner fight with that joker not worth paying more then $30 pounds for it. Iam goner be patient and wait for the next available one. This time i'll bid at the final min!  >:(
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 04, 2007, 10:05
Your sentences really make me think twice about getting a MC10L or 5881 which is both more power than my 10w 6p1.


Congrats on getting the MC10L  ;)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: tinytok on June 04, 2007, 20:14
Oh yeah ! 50Wrms tubes....wonder if it is really 50Wrms.
But its real heavy at 20kg.

Mr Poision hifiluv, you have this as well ?

Arai 6p1 to release end of this month...anyone?  ;D

Congrats on getting the MC10L  ;)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: zapp on June 04, 2007, 22:33
MC10L That one the setup quite similar to Consonance EL34 setup...wonder if it perform just as well...
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: hifiluv on June 06, 2007, 07:38
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/wooso/M100plus.jpg)

(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/wooso/yq-mc10l-339.jpg)

take yr pick..... ;D

both spec as Push Pull design, EL34 x 4, but i don't understand how this power tube setup can output 52W x 2 as claimed by MC10L, as far as i understand EL34 x 4 is usually between 35-40W x 2.  also Consonance comes with a volume remote which is a strong point for me,  :)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: petetherock on June 06, 2007, 07:42
hifiluv - What's Wrong With You!!
You keep poisoning us with such beauties :)

Evil man :)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: DJQ on June 06, 2007, 08:55
hifiluv - What's Wrong With You!!
You keep poisoning us with such beauties :)

Evil man :)

yeah man. hifiluv is a tubey venom. scary  :o  i am already been bitten a few times... now jus waiting for the poison to flow in.  ;) so long i havent listen to any tubes i shld think i am safe?  :)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: SiriuslyCold on June 06, 2007, 13:12
it's safer if you stop clicking on these threads ;D

*ROFL*
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 06, 2007, 15:02
The posion is so deep that i monitor those tubes till the very last in the wee hours to bid!
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on June 06, 2007, 15:09
The posion is so deep that i monitor those tubes till the very last in the wee hours to bid!

U're in deep poison.  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: SiriuslyCold on June 06, 2007, 15:37
The posion is so deep that i monitor those tubes till the very last in the wee hours to bid!

you need this installed (http://pages.ebay.com.sg/ebay_toolbar/index.html)

Quote
# Alerts
Get reminders right on your desktop of listings that are about to end. You will get desktop alerts for items you're watching, bidding, items you didn't win, and items you've received Second Chance Offers for.

# Buying Status
Track items you're watching, those you've bid on, those you've won, and those you didn't win - all in one place.

;D

feed it!
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: tinytok on June 06, 2007, 17:55
oh man.....seller say refund me cos my address not confirmed in paypal !!!!
She had a terms and condition which she only accepts shipping to confirm address.

Had ask her to rebill me to see if this type round its confirmed address by paypal or not after i've make changes, but no responses on that!

Oh my god. probably my bid too low. Nevermind....still have my trusty 6P1.

just a big sad!  :-[
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: synthesis on June 06, 2007, 18:02
U're in deep poison.  ;D

Are you bidding for EL84 that is ending tonight?  ;)

(http://www.smartdraw.com/examples/content/Examples/SmartDraw/Flyers_&_Certificates/Signs/Poison_Sign_L.jpg)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 06, 2007, 18:25
you need this installed (http://pages.ebay.com.sg/ebay_toolbar/index.html)

;D

feed it!


Na not goiner install this spyware on my pc. I just need to remember whats the timing that it will end.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: hifiluv on June 06, 2007, 22:31
LOL.. Synthesis abang, when ur turn ah.....i mean to turn to the warm side...

if u only know the power of the warm side (mechanised breathing),...... it ur destiny, Luke... er i mean Syn.......
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: hifiluv on June 06, 2007, 22:33
The posion is so deep that i monitor those tubes till the very last in the wee hours to bid!

ai yah....1st time, i too stayed up till 3am to win the 6p1.  but now just put max bid n go zzzzzz... 8)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: synthesis on June 06, 2007, 23:11
LOL.. Synthesis abang, when ur turn ah.....i mean to turn to the warm side...

if u only know the power of the warm side (mechanised breathing),...... it ur destiny, Luke... er i mean Syn.......


Kekeke... akan datang...
But Darthfunk seems to be more desperate than I am  ;D  ;D
I thought I was gonna bid EL84 for fun but I noticed the shipping + ins is higher than usual. EL34 is due tomorrow.   :D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: tinytok on June 06, 2007, 23:28
Hi Poison, ;D

How much is the Consonance ? and why did you get it ?


(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/wooso/M100plus.jpg)

(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/wooso/yq-mc10l-339.jpg)

take yr pick..... ;D

both spec as Push Pull design, EL34 x 4, but i don't understand how this power tube setup can output 52W x 2 as claimed by MC10L, as far as i understand EL34 x 4 is usually between 35-40W x 2.  also Consonance comes with a volume remote which is a strong point for me,  :)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: 2100 on June 07, 2007, 00:34
Wah lao Synthesis, you mean you have NEVER played with tubes before?!
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on June 07, 2007, 03:15
Are you bidding for EL84 that is ending tonight?  ;)

(http://www.smartdraw.com/examples/content/Examples/SmartDraw/Flyers_&_Certificates/Signs/Poison_Sign_L.jpg)


I lost the bid, but won on a EL84. Wonder how it will sound like.  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: hifiluv on June 07, 2007, 07:18
congrats, the EL84 gives a sweeter sound than the EL34, so playing vocals (CaiQin, Great Basso) will surely give u steam man....LOL......
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: petetherock on June 07, 2007, 07:20
Hey friends
Saw some of these items you are bidding for, maybe I am on a different ebay site, but shipping is about S$150 or so?
That's steep...
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: hifiluv on June 07, 2007, 07:26
Hey friends
Saw some of these items you are bidding for, maybe I am on a different ebay site, but shipping is about S$150 or so?
That's steep...

based on Jenny Chan's shop -

EL34 - ship n ins = 73 GBP
6P1 or EL84        = 60 GBP

so u re right. 

with bids being won at 9.99, i suppose they hv to make $ from the other areas.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 07, 2007, 07:53
Goner battle it out for the EL34 tomorrow morning!
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: petetherock on June 07, 2007, 07:53
Hey Darth
Whats the estimated total plus shipping in S$?
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 07, 2007, 07:57
I lost the bid, but won on a EL84. Wonder how it will sound like.  ;D

Told you right this set sure can win the bid!  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: tinytok on June 07, 2007, 08:00
dun spend too much on shipping hor...get it in 14 days and get it in 5 weeks you will still get it in the end.

Itch longer sound nicer.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: synthesis on June 07, 2007, 08:41
Wah lao Synthesis, you mean you have NEVER played with tubes before?!

hehe.. half..  ;D
Only after Hifiluv poisoned me with MP5..  :)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: petetherock on June 07, 2007, 10:08
Ok when everyone gets theirs, maybe those who don't mind visiting AMK can all bring their tube amps and do a AV cum tube fest at my place end of June, once I set up my room :)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: DJQ on June 07, 2007, 10:39
Ok when everyone gets theirs, maybe those who don't mind visiting AMK can all bring their tube amps and do a AV cum tube fest at my place end of June, once I set up my room :)

Whoa... looking forward to tat ;)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 07, 2007, 11:52
Ok when everyone gets theirs, maybe those who don't mind visiting AMK can all bring their tube amps and do a AV cum tube fest at my place end of June, once I set up my room :)

Sure my place can also be an open house if you guys are interested in coming over to my new home. I should have a hall system and a bedroom system.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on June 07, 2007, 12:17
dun spend too much on shipping hor...get it in 14 days and get it in 5 weeks you will still get it in the end.

Itch longer sound nicer.

I agree, the shipment for 14 days is almost double, I would go for the 5 weeks shipment.
Tahan ah!!

Wah this tread chin tok, if I read on tonight sure try the 845!!!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on June 07, 2007, 12:19
Goner battle it out for the EL34 tomorrow morning!

All the way Darthfunk, I will pray for you  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: 2100 on June 07, 2007, 18:02
hehe.. half..  ;D
Only after Hifiluv poisoned me with MP5..  :)
Toobs can play lar, at least they don't leak DC and kill your drivers like most solid state does after some time, even very high ones.   ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 07, 2007, 20:30
Anyone know how the 300B tube sounds?
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: hifiluv on June 07, 2007, 21:09
Anyone know how the 300B tube sounds?

very very sweet and laid back, good for jazz type of vocals, but big tubes runs very very hot also,  :P

young men will not get excited with this kind of sound, at least tat was my experience the 1st time i heard it.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on June 07, 2007, 21:19
Anyone know how the 300B tube sounds?

U may want to try bid for this one

http://cgi.ebay.com/King-300B-Single-Ended-Tube-Pow-Int-valve-amplifier_W0QQitemZ130120813449QQihZ003QQcategoryZ3280QQcmdZViewItem
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: hifiluv on June 07, 2007, 21:49
http://cgi.ebay.com/King-300B-Single-Ended-Tube-Pow-Int-valve-amplifier_W0QQitemZ130120813449QQihZ003QQcategoryZ3280QQcmdZViewItem

110GBP just for ship/ins... :o

bid now is at 210P with 1day more to go, so its already S$960.... :P
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: DJQ on June 08, 2007, 00:33
congrats, the EL84 gives a sweeter sound than the EL34, so playing vocals (CaiQin, Great Basso) will surely give u steam man....LOL......

serious ah...  :P :P :P
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: hifiluv on June 08, 2007, 00:45
i hv to put my book down when i hv tube sound, be it 6P1, EL34, MP5....just sit/lay there, taking in the chocolaty sweet vocals, the strings, the wood/wind.... completely steam man.....

just ytd, my son took my Police cd and started to played on the MP5, my daugther complained she could not sleep with such "noise", i was supposed to go over and switch it off, i never make it back,  ;D

yup......listening to tube sound is as close to the "O"  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 08, 2007, 01:05
All the way Darthfunk, I will pray for you  ;D ;D

Wah max bid 37GBP still got outbidded! Not worth it man  :P
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 08, 2007, 02:35
Wow bidding for the last 60sec is the most intense if you think iam hardcore look at the timing this people come in!

dfpb33166( 37)     GBP 75.00 Jun-07-07 11:29:43 PDT 
geoffrey147( 20)     GBP 75.00 Jun-07-07 11:29:54 PDT 
koizumi_dk( 5 )     GBP 69.00 Jun-07-07 11:29:41 PDT 
funkigene( 0 )     GBP 67.00 Jun-07-07 11:29:24 PDT 
koizumi_dk( 5 )     GBP 65.00 Jun-07-07 11:21:42 PDT 
funkigene( 0 )     GBP 65.00 Jun-07-07 11:29:09 PDT

Final bidder who bid 11 sec earlier with the same amount wins!
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on June 08, 2007, 02:45
Yeah I was monitoring this bid also, wah last min alot of ppl chiong ah!!! ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 08, 2007, 02:48
I only decided to go it when tonytok got outbidded, no point bidding with one another. Still got out bidded with the highest bid at 75GBP. Nabei i thought my 67GBP was the highest already!  >:(
Think i hit almost 20 times on the refresh button during the last 2 mins lol! :P
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 08, 2007, 02:53
U still bidding for more items ah? Didnt you win the bid fof the EL84?
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: synthesis on June 08, 2007, 08:37
I only decided to go it when tonytok got outbidded, no point bidding with one another. Still got out bidded with the highest bid at 75GBP. Nabei i thought my 67GBP was the highest already!  >:(
Think i hit almost 20 times on the refresh button during the last 2 mins lol! :P


You are so desperate.. lol.. ;D
I gave up at 20P  ;)
Seems our bro Domho is on his shopping spree...
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on June 08, 2007, 13:22
I only decided to go it when tonytok got outbidded, no point bidding with one another. Still got out bidded with the highest bid at 75GBP. Nabei i thought my 67GBP was the highest already!  >:(
Think i hit almost 20 times on the refresh button during the last 2 mins lol! :P


Wanted to chiong this item but saw you there so put a brake to it.
Looks like some ang moh got it again. This EL34 is hot stuff.  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: hifiluv on June 08, 2007, 14:15
just wondering did anyone go down to Sky Audio to check out the resale unit asking $380, its the same model tat is hot cake now,  :)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: kzone on June 08, 2007, 15:03
Arrggghh!! Why didnt u post this yesterday? Was at x-audio to get the xindak distributor..

Oopps.. I sounded angry... didnt mean to.. ;)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 08, 2007, 18:26
just wondering did anyone go down to Sky Audio to check out the resale unit asking $380, its the same model tat is hot cake now,  :)

Thats why its not worth bidding for more then $320 (includes shipping and insurance).

Anything more can buy from Sky Audio.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: apteryx on June 08, 2007, 23:04
I won a KT88 at GBP 50.50, shipping + insur GBP 95, total 145.50, http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=003&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=130109932580&rd=1&rd=1.

Not sure how it sounds, hope I didn't make a wrong choice.  :P
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on June 08, 2007, 23:46
I won a KT88 at GBP 50.50, shipping + insur GBP 95, total 145.50, http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=003&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=130109932580&rd=1&rd=1.

Not sure how it sounds, hope I didn't make a wrong choice.  :P

Congratz, my last KT88 from Audiospace can rock, think this 1 no problem.  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 09, 2007, 01:14
I won a KT88 at GBP 50.50, shipping + insur GBP 95, total 145.50, http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=003&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=130109932580&rd=1&rd=1.

Not sure how it sounds, hope I didn't make a wrong choice.  :P

Congrats man thats a very good price you manage to bid for!

Haiz just realize tonytok bidded the same item as me........ :-\
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: weibchen on June 09, 2007, 01:23
http://www.little-tube.com/chinese/littledott150.htm
(http://www.little-tube.com/image/T150/T15001.jpg)

Is this worth to get? 1680 yuan. works out to be about less than $400. ex shipping.
◎POUT Output Power (continuous output)
THD+N = 0.1%, RL = 4Ω  145W
THD+N = 1%, RL = 4Ω    160W
THD+N = 10%, RL = 4Ω   200W
THD+N = 0.1%, RL = 6Ω  105W
THD+N = 1%, RL = 6Ω    115W
THD+N = 10%, RL = 6Ω   150W
THD+N = 0.1%, RL = 8Ω  80W
THD+N = 1%, RL = 8Ω    90W
THD+N = 10%, RL = 8Ω   115W

◎THD + N Total Harmonic Distortion Plus Noise
POUT = 60W, RL = 8Ω 0.01 %

◎IHF-IM IHF Intermodulation Distortion 19kHz, 20kHz, 1:1 (IHF), RL = 8Ω
  POUT = 25W/Channel
  0.03 %

◎SNR Signal-to-Noise Ratio A Weighted, RL = 4Ω,
  POUT = 200W/Channel
  104.4 dB

◎η Power Efficiency POUT = 115W/Channel, RL = 8Ω
  92 %

◎eNOUT Output Noise Voltage A-Weighted, input shorted
  RFBC = 10kΩ, RFBB = 1.1kΩ, and RFBA= 1.0kΩ
  170 μV

◎机箱尺寸为:390L*320W*86H

◎整机重量:11 Kg
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 09, 2007, 01:24
Btw do you realise that the end time is mainly catered to the European and US timing  :(
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on June 09, 2007, 01:38
Btw do you realise that the end time is mainly catered to the European and US timing  :(

Yep, targetted at ANG MOH mkt  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 09, 2007, 01:41
Yep, targetted at ANG MOH mkt  ;D ;D

Btw how many items have you bidded for already or goner bid again? You won the EL84 right?
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on June 09, 2007, 02:07
Btw how many items have you bidded for already or goner bid again? You won the EL84 right?

Yep so far won the EL84 only. Currently highest bidder for 300B, but not for long. HA! HA!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on June 09, 2007, 02:08
Darthfunk what items u looking out for this time.  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on June 09, 2007, 03:33
Was the highest bidder, than left 10secs got outbidded HA! HA! HA!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 09, 2007, 05:39
Darthfunk what items u looking out for this time.  ;D

....... haiz the 2002 EL34 won by tonytok.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=003&sspagename=STRK%3AMEDW%3AIT&viewitem=&item=130120813502&rd=1&rd=1

Now bidding for a KT88 and EL34  ;)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: tinytok on June 09, 2007, 05:57
Thanks for letting me win. The unit does not look attractive though.

if i know that nick is you, i would not have bid it.


....... haiz the 2002 EL34 won by tonytok.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=003&sspagename=STRK%3AMEDW%3AIT&viewitem=&item=130120813502&rd=1&rd=1

Now bidding for a KT88 and EL34  ;)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 09, 2007, 09:26
Thanks for letting me win. The unit does not look attractive though.

if i know that nick is you, i would not have bid it.



Haha never mind bro as long you win it. Whats your next target i see you are on a shopping spree too  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: hifiluv on June 09, 2007, 13:00
Thanks for letting me win. The unit does not look attractive though.

if i know that nick is you, i would not have bid it.

whats more important is how it sounds, fm what can be seen, the layout is quite clean and well done, so shd be decent sound.

specs says its Class A (so sound shd be better than AB design, but continous power draw means high consumption)

bro, do give us a review when the baby arrives,  :)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: apteryx on June 09, 2007, 14:13
Congrats man thats a very good price you manage to bid for!

Haiz just realize tonytok bidded the same item as me........ :-\

thanks man, I also didn't expect to win the bid. guess sometimes it's so luck. good luck to your bid too... ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: tinytok on June 09, 2007, 14:50
The deal might not go thru again.

The seller did not even rebill me to see if my shipping address is paypal confirm address for the MC10L, straight away told me shipping address is not confirm one,

So i do not know if this deal will pull thru,

Haha never mind bro as long you win it. Whats your next target i see you are on a shopping spree too  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 09, 2007, 20:07
The deal might not go thru again.

The seller did not even rebill me to see if my shipping address is paypal confirm address for the MC10L, straight away told me shipping address is not confirm one,

So i do not know if this deal will pull thru,


Whats wrong with your address? Why dont you email paypay on this issue.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: tinytok on June 09, 2007, 22:33
response from seller "hi,please bid after got paypal confirmed address,thanks"

gone case.

Gonna email paypal
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 09, 2007, 23:22
hmmm have a question to the rest.

Is there a need to input State/ Province/Region?
Currently this is under none so is it ok to leave it blank or must I indicate Singapore as well?
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on June 10, 2007, 00:20
hmmm have a question to the rest.

Is there a need to input State/ Province/Region?
Currently this is under none so is it ok to leave it blank or must I indicate Singapore as well?

For me I put Singapore.  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 10, 2007, 00:58
For me I put Singapore.  ;D

Thanks i have updated. Better to be safe then sorry  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 10, 2007, 09:07
response from seller "hi,please bid after got paypal confirmed address,thanks"

gone case.

Gonna email paypal


Ok i know what happen for your case, you have to ensure your shipping address and your billing address is the same.
If your card has expired or you have move recently please ensure it is updated.

Make sure your paypal is updated. You can link your paypal address to your ebay address.

Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: tinytok on June 10, 2007, 13:54
guess got to stop bidding...wife kpkb...spending too much on audio over the past 3 months. :P

Who knows where to get a set of tubes for Arai Mini 6p1 ?

4 x  6AQ5 / 6P1
2 x 6N3

Whats rougly the cost ?
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: hifiluv on June 10, 2007, 14:26
guess got to stop bidding...wife kpkb...spending too much on audio over the past 3 months. :P

Who knows where to get a set of tubes for Arai Mini 6p1 ?

4 x  6AQ5 / 6P1
2 x 6N3

Whats rougly the cost ?

http://store.tubedepot.com/6aq5.html

6N3 is chinese, equivalent is 5670, 2C51 or 396A
http://store.tubedepot.com/nos-5670.html

can compare if cheaper to bring in or buy local (Larry Hifi or Burlington Sq may stock)  :)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 10, 2007, 17:55
Won my bid for the XDSE EL34 Class A Integrated Valve Tube Amplifier svsv  at 54GBP ;D
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=020&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&viewitem=&item=300118344249&rd=1&rd=1

Hopefully the administrative part does not screws up, although payment has gone through. Still waiting for seller's reply on shipment, crossing fingers now.  :-X
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 10, 2007, 17:59
guess got to stop bidding...wife kpkb...spending too much on audio over the past 3 months. :P

Who knows where to get a set of tubes for Arai Mini 6p1 ?

4 x  6AQ5 / 6P1
2 x 6N3

Whats rougly the cost ?

Well you can check if anyone here wants to sell their 6P1  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: petetherock on June 10, 2007, 18:00
You all need rehab, cold turkey listening to NTUC brand mini compo playing tape for 30 hrs straight....
Then 5 dollar pocket radio for another 30 hrs.

:)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 10, 2007, 18:05
You all need rehab, cold turkey listening to NTUC brand mini compo playing tape for 30 hrs straight....
Then 5 dollar pocket radio for another 30 hrs.

:)


haha now iam busy with the renovations does that count as rehab  ;D hmm but come 1 or 2 weeks time i'll be back to my addiction lol  8)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on June 10, 2007, 18:21
Won my bid for the XDSE EL34 Class A Integrated Valve Tube Amplifier svsv  at 54GBP ;D
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=020&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&viewitem=&item=300118344249&rd=1&rd=1

Hopefully the administrative part does not screws up, although payment has gone through. Still waiting for seller's reply on shipment, crossing fingers now.  :-X

Congrats, u won something. I opted for surface mail.  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on June 10, 2007, 18:23
guess got to stop bidding...wife kpkb...spending too much on audio over the past 3 months. :P

Who knows where to get a set of tubes for Arai Mini 6p1 ?

4 x  6AQ5 / 6P1
2 x 6N3

Whats rougly the cost ?

U're not alone. HA! HA! I put brakes on ebay aldy.

Looking at Melody amps, 1 day must go down larry hifi to listen.  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: tinytok on June 10, 2007, 20:19
Thanks poision for the link

Hey darth, leshele should be fine.

I got my 6p1 from him.

Sometime he reply email with some delay but in general, he is good.
Title: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Mr. Big on June 10, 2007, 20:40
Hi everyone

Me new to this and got adidcted too.
Going to bid fthe following from Jenny Chan.

845 Class A Single Ended Vavle Tube Int Amp BK NR

Any comments?
What is the best way of payment? Paypal?
Any chances of damage by surface mail?

Thanks
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: 2100 on June 10, 2007, 21:00
Geez....check out the proximity of the 845s to the OPT casings. I already don't like casings (holds the heat in). I wouldn't run this past 1 hr!

If it is cheap, I guess it wouldn't matter. But if it is like going past  like 1K with shipping, you might as well invest in a properly designed tube amp. The voltages running inside this isn't fun. Even the more branded Chinese ones (shan't reveal here) already have wiring mistakes, pls think twice if you need to spend more on this brand.

Going to bid fthe following from Jenny Chan.

845 Class A Single Ended Vavle Tube Int Amp BK NR

Any comments?
Title: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Mr. Big on June 10, 2007, 21:04
Still no bid yet leh with one day to gp.
Will put in the at last minute.
A similar one was withdrawn by Jenny Chan today (mentioned posting error).
Was on my watch list.
Wasted. Maybe if anyone bid, seller would have to honour it.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 10, 2007, 23:14
Thanks poision for the link

Hey darth, leshele should be fine.

I got my 6p1 from him.

Sometime he reply email with some delay but in general, he is good.

Hey tony so i shouldnt haveany problems with my orders right? Cause i also got unconfirm address after i got a confirmation payment from paypal but it was too late to do any changes.
I have called my bank to input the secondary address just in case the seller need a verification. I have send him about 3 messages but still no replies.  ???

Btw when you got your 6p1 from him did he message you to do any confirmation?
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: tinytok on June 10, 2007, 23:30
got 6p1 from him in april07, no confirmation needed.

Told him in email to get me a 230/240v version and also send to my singapore address.
that ebay was displaying my usa vpost addresss.

maybe its sat/sun that he dun reply.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 10, 2007, 23:44
got 6p1 from him in april07, no confirmation needed.

Told him in email to get me a 230/240v version and also send to my singapore address.
that ebay was displaying my usa vpost addresss.

maybe its sat/sun that he dun reply.

Thanks this sounds more assuring. Hopefully he can reply back to me tomorrow so that i can confirm the shipping address with him. This also reminds me about the 230/240v version.  :D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 11, 2007, 23:06
Finally got a reply he will be shipping the item out within the next 2-3days with a tracking number.  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on June 12, 2007, 00:40
Finally got a reply he will be shipping the item out within the next 2-3days with a tracking number.  ;D

Hi darthfunk, your shipment by surface or air.  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 12, 2007, 07:35
Hi darthfunk, your shipment by surface or air.  ;D

surface so it should take 5 weeks to reach me i guess. This should give me enough time to settle my speakers also.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: DJQ on June 12, 2007, 23:07
surface so it should take 5 weeks to reach me i guess. This should give me enough time to settle my speakers also.

wow. so which tube amp did u buy huh? i am just looking thru. which would be a good deal? noob on this.  :-[ just how much is GBP converted to SGD? blurr leh :-[
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: tinytok on June 13, 2007, 00:14
GBP convert to SGD is about 3 times.

1 GBP = 3.05 SGD should be very save.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 13, 2007, 00:15
wow. so which tube amp did u buy huh? i am just looking thru. which would be a good deal? noob on this.  :-[ just how much is GBP converted to SGD? blurr leh :-[

I got the EL34 Class A Integrated Valve Tube Amplifier http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=020&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&viewitem=&item=300118344249&rd=1&rd=1

I won it at 54GBP, Shipping & Insurance at 95GBP.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: francis woo on June 13, 2007, 10:20
Congrats!! Have you got the 230/240 version!! Are you inviting us for an audition of this lovely baby.. ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: DJQ on June 13, 2007, 11:18
I got the EL34 Class A Integrated Valve Tube Amplifier http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=020&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&viewitem=&item=300118344249&rd=1&rd=1

I won it at 54GBP, Shipping & Insurance at 95GBP.

ohh nice...  :)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: synthesis on June 13, 2007, 13:46
The EL34 mini amp from Jennychan store ended up at GBP 72!! Nutz!!
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 13, 2007, 14:11
Won the SHANLING CD-S100 HDCD (24 bit / 96 kHz) CD player http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=003&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&viewitem=&item=130120815734&rd=1&rd=1
at 16GBP + 76GBP Shipping and Insurance.  ;D
I didnt expect to win this though.

Have paid for the item, now waiting for seller to reply and to confirm my mailing address. I hope i dont face the same problem as bro tonytok.  :-\

The other website leshele have send out my EL34 to my new address even though the billing address is different form the address i requested.  ;)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: apteryx on June 13, 2007, 14:33
Won the SHANLING CD-S100 HDCD (24 bit / 96 kHz) CD player http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=003&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&viewitem=&item=130120815734&rd=1&rd=1
at 16GBP + 76GBP Shipping and Insurance.  ;D
I didnt expect to win this though.

Have paid for the item, now waiting for seller to reply and to confirm my mailing address. I hope i dont face the same problem as bro tonytok.  :-\

The other website leshele have send out my EL34 to my new address even though the billing address is different form the address i requested.  ;)

wa lau, you gana poison very deep leh  :o

when all the bro tube amps arrive, maybe we can bring the amps to one bro place for audition. I can bring my MIC KT88 amp..hehehe  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 13, 2007, 15:57
wa lau, you gana poison very deep leh  :o

when all the bro tube amps arrive, maybe we can bring the amps to one bro place for audition. I can bring my MIC KT88 amp..hehehe  ;D

Yea kana posion deep deep indead. Thats my last bidding spree already. Well at least my tube bedroom set up is below 1k (Tube amp, CDP, Speakers, cables and interconnects)  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: SiriuslyCold on June 13, 2007, 16:21
Congrats!  the CD-S100 is a sweet player

did you read this review (http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/musichall/cd25.html) before buying? heheh

Quote
With price/performance heavily imbalanced but in obvious favor of the consumer, the Music Hall/Shanling CD-25 (ed: US$600 at review time) is a truly outstanding value gussied up in high-class, solidly put-together livery. Were it not for the omission of common time display options and the very lackadaisical cue-up times, I'd be melting some of our royal blue wax for a smoking award seal. This underdog is the real deal, folks. It won't at all embarrass itself in comparisons with $2,000 machines.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 13, 2007, 16:36
Congrats!  the CD-S100 is a sweet player

did you read this review (http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/musichall/cd25.html) before buying? heheh


Well not at all lol just wanted to try it out since there is so much talk about the Shanling players.

Whats even sweeter is the price i bidded for, i have seen up to 100GBP bidded for this CDP   ;)
 How i wish i can be that lucky for tonights 4D  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: zapp on June 13, 2007, 16:48
Nice price...wasted i playing all my music via mp3s or FLAC...
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 13, 2007, 16:55
Nice price...wasted i playing all my music via mp3s or FLAC...

Zapp been seeing you bidding for items, won anything so far?

Bro you are not alone i'll be hooking up my wife's Ipod to the tube amp  :D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: zapp on June 13, 2007, 17:00
no i just bought a Cayin A55  :o

Figured out if i bid so much for an amp - top up a bit more for local support and a remote control :p

(http://www.son-video.com/Rayons/Hifi/Amplis/Cayin/A-55T_TG.jpg)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 13, 2007, 17:07
no i just bought a Cayin A55  :o

Figured out if i bid so much for an amp - top up a bit more for local support and a remote control :p

(http://www.son-video.com/Rayons/Hifi/Amplis/Cayin/A-55T_TG.jpg)

Nice how much you paid for it?
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: zapp on June 13, 2007, 17:10
1.2k. The ability of this amp to go ultralinear to triode via the click of the remote is shiok lol...

But sure kanna bombard from my dear at home lol...but cannot stand already la cos i been wanting a tube amp w remote for long time since getting poisoned by first the MP5, next 6P1 mini amp. But i think u kanna more lol - CDP also buy :p
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: francis woo on June 13, 2007, 17:47
Zapp, bought from Precision Audio!!
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: zapp on June 13, 2007, 17:49
ya lor. Where else lol...i found the performance of the amp reasonable anyway i shot over my budget liao lol...was intending to hunt for 2nd hand set under 1k...but cannot wait.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 13, 2007, 20:58
Crap iam having problems with the stupid seller Jennychan on the unconfirm address issue!  >:(
If it dosent go through iam not goner support that dumb site again!!

I have totally no issue with leshele on the shipping address. The 2nd item i won (rca to ipod cables) also went through smoothly. I have even got my tracking number for the EL34 i won.

Well if i cant get this i guess i'll try my luck on a tube amp  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: DJQ on June 13, 2007, 21:46
Crap iam having problems with the stupid seller Jennychan on the unconfirm address issue!  >:(
If it dosent go through iam not goner support that dumb site again!!

I have totally no issue with leshele on the shipping address. The 2nd item i won (rca to ipod cables) also went through smoothly. I have even got my tracking number for the EL34 i won.

Well if i cant get this i guess i'll try my luck on a tube amp  ;D

wah full tubeys soon.  :D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: tinytok on June 13, 2007, 22:09
Pay S$3 to paypal for the EXPAN program to get your address confirm lar.

Same fate as me.....

Crap iam having problems with the stupid seller Jennychan on the unconfirm address issue!  >:(
If it dosent go through iam not goner support that dumb site again!!

I have totally no issue with leshele on the shipping address. The 2nd item i won (rca to ipod cables) also went through smoothly. I have even got my tracking number for the EL34 i won.

Well if i cant get this i guess i'll try my luck on a tube amp  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 14, 2007, 00:43
Pay S$3 to paypal for the EXPAN program to get your address confirm lar.

Same fate as me.....


Whats the expan program? Can tell me more about it?
Actually it was paypal that screwed up my address i have already set the shipping address to the same billing address but yet it was still reflected at the 2nd address!
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 15, 2007, 01:07
Pay S$3 to paypal for the EXPAN program to get your address confirm lar.

Same fate as me.....


Bro tony tell me more about the EXPAN program leh i also wanna get my address confirm. Its the dumb Paypal site that is such a screw up even if i link the shipping which is the same as my billing address it still says unconfirm.

Maybe i should follow bro hifiluv and use bank draft to send to seller  :-[
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: hifiluv on June 15, 2007, 06:52
Bro tony tell me more about the EXPAN program leh i also wanna get my address confirm. Its the dumb Paypal site that is such a screw up even if i link the shipping which is the same as my billing address it still says unconfirm.

Maybe i should follow bro hifiluv and use bank draft to send to seller  :-[

i use bank draft is becos other than hifi stuff, i hardly do any bidding/buying online. so to me the $8 service charge is ok.

 :)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 15, 2007, 08:09
i use bank draft is becos other than hifi stuff, i hardly do any bidding/buying online. so to me the $8 service charge is ok.

 :)

As long as the payment is not from paypal (bank draft, cheque etc) you can input any shipping address without the need for it to be confirm.
Well thats for Jennychan site.


Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 15, 2007, 08:19
i use bank draft is becos other than hifi stuff, i hardly do any bidding/buying online. so to me the $8 service charge is ok.

 :)

Btw how long does the bank take to send the check over? Its cashiers check or money order?
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: hifiluv on June 15, 2007, 13:54
buy intl bankdraft at post office (service charge $8, regardless of the value of the draft) and send out by registered airmail to HK, reach her within 3 working days, cost about $3,  jenny sends out same day she receives the bankdraft  :)

Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on June 15, 2007, 18:16
Paid Jennychan on Tues, today item is shipped out with tracking no.

Hmmm... 6weeks time hope to recd gds in good order.  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: hifiluv on June 15, 2007, 20:55
Paid Jennychan on Tues, today item is shipped out with tracking no.

Hmmm... 6weeks time hope to recd gds in good order.  ;D

surface ship is 6 weeks +/- dep on custom clearance, no worries about packaging, its for export shipping alright, foam kao kao all round, tubes packed in its own box.   ;)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on June 15, 2007, 23:06
surface ship is 6 weeks +/- dep on custom clearance, no worries about packaging, its for export shipping alright, foam kao kao all round, tubes packed in its own box.   ;)

Tks hiflux for the reassurance. I pang sim liao.  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 15, 2007, 23:14
Paid Jennychan on Tues, today item is shipped out with tracking no.

Hmmm... 6weeks time hope to recd gds in good order.  ;D

You paid by bank draft also?
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 15, 2007, 23:18
buy intl bankdraft at post office (service charge $8, regardless of the value of the draft) and send out by registered airmail to HK, reach her within 3 working days, cost about $3,  jenny sends out same day she receives the bankdraft  :)

Although you have to pay $11 its actually lesser then Paypal interchange charges! Oh well guess its bank draft for Jenny's site then.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on June 15, 2007, 23:24
You paid by bank draft also?

Mine was paid by PAYPAL dah!! I had no problems with paypal.
 ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 16, 2007, 11:47
Mine was paid by PAYPAL dah!! I had no problems with paypal.
 ;D

And you had confirm address when you made payment through Paypal?
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: tinytok on June 16, 2007, 15:45
i lun a bit...waiting for my next creditcard statement for the expand number to verify confirm address...

then i bid her items..without my wife knowledge..then send to my office...but how do i bring it home and play without her noticing i changed amp ? ??? ;D

Over the last 2 months, i've almost bought all of cai qin CD and one XRCD from malaysia and some other CDs too...should add up to the price of the 6p1 already. Oh my god...and there's my new onkyo Tx-SR604 sitting there...no business.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 16, 2007, 16:02
I have been communicating with Jennychan she seems to be very understanding and will be arranging a cheque to be send over YAY!  :D

Oh no iam still bidding for the tube CD players!  :-X
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: DJQ on June 17, 2007, 00:32
I have been communicating with Jennychan she seems to be very understanding and will be arraninge a cheque to be send over YAY!  :D

Oh no iam still bidding for the tube CD players!  :-X

bro u power lah.  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: tinytok on June 21, 2007, 22:49
Got the Audioromy KT88 12W Class A for GBP138
At the same time got my wife a set of PSP for S$500 to shut her mouth...really broke now
 

Seller says MC10L better....sian one half.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=020&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&viewitem=&item=300119037590&rd=1&rd=1
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 21, 2007, 23:06
Got the Audioromy KT88 12W Class A for GBP138
At the same time got my wife a set of PSP for S$500 to shut her mouth...really broke now
 

Seller says MC10L better....sian one half.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=020&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&viewitem=&item=300119037590&rd=1&rd=1

Congrats bro! :D

Btw what happen to the 2 others sets the MC1oL and Mr Liang 2002 EL34 you won from Jennychan?
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: tinytok on June 21, 2007, 23:24
seller not willing to sell lei...keep telling unconfirm address, forget about it,
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 21, 2007, 23:37
seller not willing to sell lei...keep telling unconfirm address, forget about it,

Bro you should inform the seller that can send payment by international bankdraft. I had the same problem but got it sorted out by informing the seller that i will send an international bank draft instead.
What he will do is refund you and get you to pay for the same item again in the ebay item won option.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: francis woo on June 22, 2007, 11:01
Congrats!! So what's the final total amt you have to fork out for the Audioromy KT88 plus shipping and handling??
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: weibchen on June 22, 2007, 15:34
Just a quick Q, and i don't want to start a new thread, What do you mean by a Balance source?
Tried to google but can't get anything, so maybe someone can explain to me.


Balance

Balance can mean the amount of signal from each channel reproduced in a stereo audio recording. Typically, a balance control will have 0 dB of gain in the center position for both channels, and attenuate one channel as the control is turned, leaving the other channel at 0 dB.[1]

this is what i got from wiki, is it correct?
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: SiriuslyCold on June 22, 2007, 17:25
When people say "balanced connection" it means this  (http://www.ofsoundmind.com/OSM2/tech/equipment/balanced.html)

uses the XLR connector (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XLR)

Balanced connections are good for environments where there is a lot of interference and cables have to run long distances (like, concerts - which is why balanced connectors are usually found in professional equipment)

It's really subjective whether a short 1 ~ 1.5 m connection between a CDP and amp can be improved with a balanced connection as opposed to a normal RCA
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: weibchen on June 23, 2007, 00:22
thankiew!
i finally understood.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: tinytok on June 23, 2007, 11:43
too troublesome, out of town 3 weeks over the last 2 months...

I wonder why kt88 are actually more expensive.

Lelselee told me that he is a fan of EL34 so he is biased to it.

Bro you should inform the seller that can send payment by international bankdraft. I had the same problem but got it sorted out by informing the seller that i will send an international bank draft instead.
What he will do is refund you and get you to pay for the same item again in the ebay item won option.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: tinytok on June 23, 2007, 11:45
The link told you that...for this price, i would prefer MC10L due to the look. but nevermind, its good to try a new tube and understand its sonic nature.

Congrats!! So what's the final total amt you have to fork out for the Audioromy KT88 plus shipping and handling??
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: synthesis on June 24, 2007, 21:38
Just won an EL 84 mini amp from Leshele mart last night. Hope things are ok. Let see how the EL84 mini fares compared to MP5.  :)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 24, 2007, 23:20
Just won an EL 84 mini amp from Leshele mart last night. Hope things are ok. Let see how the EL84 mini fares compared to MP5.  :)

Its a big difference!  :o  Time to sell your MP5!  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 24, 2007, 23:33
Btw someone told me KT77 tubes are musically better then EL34? Any comments on this?
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: zapp on June 24, 2007, 23:48
Its a bug difference!  :o  Time to sell your MP5!  ;D
EL84 = 6P1 if i am not wrong...

So its like the 6P1 amp i have FULL TUBE :p

Yummy sound...defintely got more power
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: zapp on June 24, 2007, 23:49
Btw someone told me KT77 tubes are musically better then EL34? Any comments on this?
See when got time assemble tube fans and compare the various amps...

Hifiluv got the consonance which is EL34
I got the Cayin A55 which is KT88
2100 bro got the Alamrro which is ????
Tinytok got the KT88 one also.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 24, 2007, 23:59
See when got time assemble tube fans and compare the various amps...

Hifiluv got the consonance which is EL34
I got the Cayin A55 which is KT88
2100 bro got the Alamrro which is ????
Tinytok got the KT88 one also.

I got the Music Angel EL34!  ;D Anyone have other EL34 tubes like the Mullard, JJ or Electro Harmonix?

Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: synthesis on June 25, 2007, 00:00
EL84 = 6P1 if i am not wrong...


EL84: 15 W/ch
6P1: 10 W/ch

Well, I don't mind get together at my place to pair them with my DIY speakers  ;)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: zapp on June 25, 2007, 00:06
wah these tube names are confusing me man...cos the EL84s look like the 6P1s...
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: hifiluv on June 25, 2007, 07:20
2100 bro got the Alamrro which is ????

(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/wooso/almarro1a.jpg)

with 6C 33C-B tubes, the "Sri Lankan crab" of tubes man  :o  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: hifiluv on June 25, 2007, 07:25
wah these tube names are confusing me man...cos the EL84s look like the 6P1s...

the 6P1 is one std below the EL84,  :'(

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6P1P

also 6AQ5 is not a direct substitute for 6P1 as mentioned by seller,  (diff pin config) :'(
so for those holding mini 6P1 tube amp, if tubes kaput, got to buy back 6P1s as replacements.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: hifiluv on June 25, 2007, 07:28
EL84: 15 W/ch
6P1: 10 W/ch

Well, I don't mind get together at my place to pair them with my DIY speakers  ;)

think it also depends on design of circuit, eg the Cayin MT12 has 4 x EL84 but runs 12W/ch.  EL34 models output between 35-40W/ch usually.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: tinytok on June 25, 2007, 07:35
tried, confirm , tested ?

the 6P1 is one std below the EL84,  :'(

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6P1P

also 6AQ5 is not a direct substitute for 6P1 as mentioned by seller,  (diff pin config) :'(
so for those holding mini 6P1 tube amp, if tubes kaput, got to buy back 6P1s as replacements.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: tinytok on June 25, 2007, 07:42
Just aquire the Pioneer caoxial Speakers from the buy/sell, paird it with 6p1 and it sings really well.

Heard this pair of speakers at the previous owner's place on a DIY KT88 and wah the sound in small room(typical HDB smallest bedroom) is really good and with some bass as well.

Seriously thinking of going into getting some FR speakers, but for my living room size,  guess it will need a 8"

8" are hard to come by and arhfat only sells 206E fostex where i have a 33L Bass reflex box so .... LL.

Anyone had got the lothx-BS1,? that pair that retails below S$500, how are the dimensions and how does it sound. The web is no longer around i think. Thats a 2 way.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: hifiluv on June 25, 2007, 11:41
tried, confirm , tested ?


the EL84 sound is sweeter n smoother than the 6P1, i used to own a Cayin MT12 and now using the mini 6P1.  but full tube sound still better than MP5 lah, so Synthesis got a good thing coming.

just did a A/B over the weekend, the MP5 is clean n clear but the full tube gives a fluid and lively sound, listen already, emotions also stirred one...he he.....  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: zapp on June 25, 2007, 12:01
read some where on wiki or a reference from there tubes sound "better" because of the distortion in the harmonics...quite "chim" but i think it makes sense to me. Haha anything to make the sound to my ears sweeter shiok enough :p


enhances bass response etc. etc. thought it made lotsa sense...

http://www.milbert.com/tstxt.htm (http://www.milbert.com/tstxt.htm)

quote:

Vacuum-tube amplifiers differ from transistor and operational amplifiers because they can be operated in the overload region without adding objectionable distortion. The combination of the slow rising edge and the open harmonic structure of the overload characteristics form an almost ideal sound-recording compressor. Within the 15-20-dB "safe" overload range, the electrical output of the tube amplifier increases by only 2-4 dB, acting like a limiter. However, since the edge is increasing within this range, the subjective loudness remains uncompressed to the ear. This effect causes tube-amplified signals to have a high apparent level which is not indicated on a volume indicator (VU meter). Tubes sound louder and have a better signal-to-noise ratio because of this extra subjective head room that transistor amplifiers do not have. Tubes get punch from their naturally brassy overload characteristics. Since the loud signals can be recorded at higher levels, the softer signals are also louder, so they are not lost in tape hiss and they effectively give the tube sound greater clarity. The feeling of more bass response is directly related to the strong second and third harmonic components which reinforce the "natural"' bass with "synthetic" bass [5]. In the context of a limited dynamic range system like the phonograph, recordings made with vacuum tube preamplifiers will have more apparent level and a greater signal to system noise ratio than recordings made with transistors or operational amplifiers.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Chowbotak on June 25, 2007, 12:22
Arai Mini Made in China Tube Amp 6P1 tubes 10Watts push-pull class A (S$300-350)
Marantz CD6000 OSE LE
Belden 82907A 1.5m interconnects
Wharfedale Diamond 8.4 FloorStanding Speakers
QED Sliver 25th Annivasary
"Voodoo" Caps
Source used: Cai Qin Jin Pian Zi (not made in China)

 
Experience with Tube before: none
Compared with: Solid State Onkyo AVR TX-SR604(S$650) AV Receiver in Pure Audio mode.

The setup is being warm up for 12 hours before this audition given that the Amp is new.

Timing
Its a bit slow compared to SS amp. However, if you are going into Slow music and Vocals,
It should not affect much.

Dynamics
Given a fast track like pop or techno, the amp can't handle it. Totally lost control with techno.
However, slow rock still sounds good.

Vocals
This is the best from this AMP. Sweet warm drooling Vocals. It handle female vocals better.
You will begin to experience what is a liquid sound....

Intrumentations separation
Instrument separation is there but the Onkyo does it better.

Treble
For my system, it is on the dark side as some would say due to wharfedale speakers sonic i suppose.
But the QED i found it a good match. In the case of Tube amp, i would prefer the treble to go up slightly.

Bass
Sistem Drum still sounds better on SS. But other than that, bass from this amp actually sound full.
Some would put it, if you want impact, go for the kilowatts.

Conclusion
Its a worth for money amp. Simple and elegant vocal.
However, it can be quiet revealing about the source.
If a CD recording is MIC low grade, it will say so.

What else you guys want to know?


Nice review. Sounds like what I'm lookin for. Can this amp drive an 11ohm 82db LS3/5a? Only for listening to vocals. Or can anyone recommend any of these cheap (total cost $400 or thereabout) amps that sounds sugary sweet and buttery smooth?  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on June 25, 2007, 18:53
Nice review. Sounds like what I'm lookin for. Can this amp drive an 11ohm 82db LS3/5a? Only for listening to vocals. Or can anyone recommend any of these cheap (total cost $400 or thereabout) amps that sounds sugary sweet and buttery smooth?  ;D


Bro Chow wait for my EL84, u listen aldy sure salivate until cant koon!!! ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on June 25, 2007, 18:56
Any bros here heard Sun Audio El34s. Would appreciate some feedback on this amp.  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: 2100 on June 25, 2007, 20:39
Err...bro chowbotak, before you plunge in, you need to know that such sets won't have the fidelity you are normally accustomed to. You get what you paid for.

Check this out : http://www.lampizator.eu/AMPLIFIERS/CHINA/SET%20triode%20amplifier%20Music%20Angel%20845%20Hong%20Kong.html (http://www.lampizator.eu/AMPLIFIERS/CHINA/SET%20triode%20amplifier%20Music%20Angel%20845%20Hong%20Kong.html)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: tinytok on June 25, 2007, 20:59
Yah lor.....music is very subjective !!!!  ;D

Err...bro chowbotak, before you plunge in, you need to know that such sets won't have the fidelity you are normally accustomed to. You get what you paid for.

Check this out : http://www.lampizator.eu/AMPLIFIERS/CHINA/SET%20triode%20amplifier%20Music%20Angel%20845%20Hong%20Kong.html (http://www.lampizator.eu/AMPLIFIERS/CHINA/SET%20triode%20amplifier%20Music%20Angel%20845%20Hong%20Kong.html)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Chowbotak on June 25, 2007, 22:56
Like that ah... Actually I'm not looking for fidelity, I'm looking for sugary sweet smooth sound for my 3rd setup. NM I'll loan from Dom to try out first  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 25, 2007, 23:10
Like that ah... Actually I'm not looking for fidelity, I'm looking for sugary sweet smooth sound for my 3rd setup. NM I'll loan from Dom to try out first  ;D

Come join me and bro dom in our bidding sessions on ebay  ;)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Chowbotak on June 26, 2007, 08:21
I'm not biting the bait at the moment  ;D The price tempting though. So which of u won this one?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130120820161&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:11
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 26, 2007, 09:50
Well not me or bro domho cause we know each other nick and wont try to out bid each other.
Our nicks are funkigene, bro dom is divadomho7 and Zapp is Zappem2000 with some numbers behind  ;D.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Chowbotak on June 26, 2007, 10:40
Oh I see, ok we cham siong, don bid against each other  ;D
My nick there is devilchowbotak7  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 26, 2007, 14:07
My nick there is devilchowbotak7  ;D

hehe you'll get hooked!  ;D

Oh I see, ok we cham siong, don bid against each other  ;D

Well some people dont see it that way as it is an open bidding system.  ::)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: SiriuslyCold on June 26, 2007, 14:36
just saw this at sh.tv
(http://www.vac-amps.com/phi110i.jpg)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Mr. Big on June 26, 2007, 17:10
Chowbotak

I won the item. But the shipping costs is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Chowbotak on June 26, 2007, 17:29
I see. Congrats. So its S$300 plus if shipping by surface mail, not bad leh, very cheap
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Mr. Big on June 26, 2007, 17:31
Chowbotak

No, close to S$600!  Don't think seller is willing to ship by surface mail.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: zapp on June 26, 2007, 17:33
Which amp did u win? usually anything lesser than 30kg they are willing to ship via surface
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Mr. Big on June 26, 2007, 17:37
Won the Music Angel EL34 this morning.  Weight 26kg.  Thought got a good deal at GBP35 plus surface mail at GBP75 and GBP18 for insurance.  Saw one guy from Thailand asking about shipping before bidding closed and seller mentioned GBP138 (air mail) only.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130120820161&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:11

I think leshele shipping costs better.

Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: zapp on June 26, 2007, 17:44
request specifically for surface - jenny usually quotes airmail first. Send a request via ebay for surface shipping.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Mr. Big on June 26, 2007, 17:52
OK, thanks.  Hope it works out that way (GBP35+75+18) - total GBP128.  Otherwise, bo hua.  Would not mind waiting 5 to 9 weeks as mentioned.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: synthesis on June 26, 2007, 21:56
just saw this at sh.tv



So when you're going to add tube to your digital system?  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: zapp on June 26, 2007, 22:19
I ordered a tube pre buffer thingy...waiting for it to come :p
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: SiriuslyCold on June 27, 2007, 10:43


So when you're going to add tube to your digital system?  ;D

ha! i'm resisting infection now :P
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: weibchen on June 28, 2007, 00:31
wah the vac amp damn swee. must add it to my poison thread.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: SiriuslyCold on June 28, 2007, 09:09
have you seen this Stereophile review of the Wavac (http://www.stereophile.com/amplificationreviews/704wavac/)? ;D

http://www.stereophile.com/amplificationreviews/704wavac/

(ok, its not a cheap tube amp, but this could go into your other thread)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: civicguy on June 28, 2007, 09:24
Sigh.. lost bidding for Jenny's amp again :(
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on June 28, 2007, 12:26
Sigh.. lost bidding for Jenny's amp again :(

Which one bro?

Btw my recommendation is set a max bid and leave it there, no point monitoring 24/7.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: hifiluv on June 28, 2007, 12:43
Sigh.. lost bidding for Jenny's amp again :(

try leslie's site, some won over there.  eg a EL34 for 16GBP,  ;)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Chowbotak on June 28, 2007, 13:05
Bros! Seems difficult to find reviews for these amps apart from some in this forum. I'm interested in the MA XDSE 300B but wonder how it sounds  ???
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on June 28, 2007, 14:01
Bros! Seems difficult to find reviews for these amps apart from some in this forum. I'm interested in the MA XDSE 300B but wonder how it sounds  ???

Bro chow, these 500sing moolah 300B, where to find reviews dah!!!
Take the risk, just hoot 1 & try, the most your house power circuit trip only!!!!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Chowbotak on June 28, 2007, 14:17
The Yaqin dealer in Canada claims that some Yaqins sold in ebay are counterfeits. How ah?  ;D

From:

http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Yaqin-MS-300B-Pure-Class-A-Stereo-Tube-Amplifier_W0QQitemZ130122883577QQihZ003QQcategoryZ39783QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Good News (for you) / Bad News (for us) / Grey Market and Counterfeit Yaqin on eBay.

We are offering the Yaqin Products at less than wholesale prices in an attemp to halt the illegal sales of counterfeit Yaqin Products being sold on eBay that originate from counterfeiters or gray market (manufactured for sale in China only) operating from Hong Kong. You can see the warranty disclaimers at our sites www.yaqin.ca (and www.yaqin.us). If you have or do decide to purchase an illegal product for import to North America from a dealer not authorized by Yaqin then you are paticipating in an illegal trade and of course are on your own for service and warranty as any such unit submitted for such will be confiscated.

We will continue this campain until we have stopped all illegal sales on eBay by making it unprofitable for these grey market dealers. We hope that you will support us in our efforts as it effects the entire audio market. Yaqin is not the only manufacturer suffering from loss of reputation by these illegal activities. These grey marketers profit from charging excessive shipping charges and any bid amount is pure profit for them.

The deal you will get from the Yaqin factory in this auction is a brand new component designed and built for North America, delivered to your door at no charge, except the possibility of customs duties, which if they exceed $30, we will re-imburse you for anything over that amount. We arrange all shipping and custom clearances.

You will receive your North America warranty card and serial number which must be provided for warranty service at our service depot in Calgary, Alberta, Canada or your local dealer.

Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: civicguy on June 28, 2007, 22:29
Which one bro?

Btw my recommendation is set a max bid and leave it there, no point monitoring 24/7.

EL34A ....

Bid a few times til GBP 21. No news for a few days and left an hour or so and I thought sure win.. another guy came in and GBP 22 (and I was sleeping).

KELONG !!!!!!!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: benzx on June 29, 2007, 00:37
The Yaqin dealer in Canada claims that some Yaqins sold in ebay are counterfeits. How ah?  ;D


Wah, budget amp liow still got counterfeit ah. 
 
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: synthesis on June 29, 2007, 23:31
Got an email from Leshele today stating shipment details of my EL 84 mini. So far so good.  :)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: SiriuslyCold on June 30, 2007, 01:39
you could be so lucky (http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=118517).. nice story.

(http://www.alabor.ch/shop/images/mcintosh/mcintosh_mc-30_by_night.jpg)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: weibchen on June 30, 2007, 03:24
another Quick Q, about the balance source.
Anyone here experience the difference btwn balance and unbalance source, how does it affect the sound?

Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: benzx on July 02, 2007, 01:25
Got an email from Leshele today stating shipment details of my EL 84 mini. So far so good.  :)

Bro, when your amp arrives, if you have time to try with the 806s, pls let me know whether its good. My fingers are getting abit itchy to bid for a mini tube for my 816s liow.  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: synthesis on July 02, 2007, 08:26
Bro, when your amp arrives, if you have time to try with the 806s, pls let me know whether its good. My fingers are getting abit itchy to bid for a mini tube for my 816s liow.  ;D


No problem bro.  :)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: vink on July 02, 2007, 13:50
another Quick Q, about the balance source.
Anyone here experience the difference btwn balance and unbalance source, how does it affect the sound?


Balanced source comprises of both the positive phase and negative phase of the of the source signal for one single channel. After processed by the pre/power stage, any form of extraneous signals (noise components) if present will be effectively removed. In most cases this would results in a much higher gain and therefore will sound louder as compared to the same unbalanced signal input when playback at similar volume knob setting. There should be no significant difference in SQ for both type of source signals. Balance signals are predominately used in situations requiring long runs of interconnects for low level signals.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: weibchen on July 02, 2007, 14:18
thankiew!
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: tinytok on July 02, 2007, 21:25
Another one of those things happen to me.

Bidded a lot of 6n3 russia tubes for my 6p1, all are not working....the blue light came on but not the amber light.

 >:(
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: tinytok on July 05, 2007, 13:45
just found out that 6N3 and 6N3P-1 is not compatible.......sigh..

Anyone using 6N3P1 ?
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: hifiluv on July 05, 2007, 17:19
see echoloft discussion on the 6N3 subsitution -
http://www.echoloft.com/cgi-bin/YaBB/YaBB.cgi?board=tell&action=display&num=1108862103


however for the power tubes, the 6P1 amp can only take 6P1 tubes.  see discussion below :

Qte:

the 6P1 (often seen in ebay tube amps) is usually advertised as 6AQ5. The problem is that the
6P1 is 9 pin while the 6AQ5/EL90 is 7 pin! It does seem that the 6P1 is the same as a russian 6P1P.

It really doesn't help matters that sellers of the 6P1P tube on ebay almost universally advertise it as 6P1P/6AQ5/EL90!!!!

I gather that electrically they are very similar, so could anyone shed any light on this? Is there such a thing as a 9 pin to 7 pin adapter that would allow one to use the EL90?

................

Unfortunate, but I have seen these mixed up for years... electrically close, but physically different. But if you have an amp that uses 6P1s, they're cheap enough, likewise so are 6AQ5s. EL84s have higher gain and will require reduction of the bias voltage or cathode resistor if you rewire sockets for them. 6973, 6CZ5, 6CM6, 6061, 6BW6 will work in place of 6P1 without circuit changes, but are different 9-pin pinouts.

........................

as of now I believe that the only tubes that directly substitute in are the 6P1 itself and its russian version 6P1P. These tubes are not the same as EL84/EL90/6AQ5/JAN600?/6P14P and so on.

Unqte
 
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: tinytok on July 05, 2007, 21:56
my power tube that i got is 6p1p, this works. currently burning in.

However this sounds sweeter but at the expense of low end which now sounds leaner.

preamp-tube i order from ebay is 6n3p which pinout is same but not working.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Chowbotak on July 05, 2007, 23:36
Got this one at GBP98.52 incl shipping. Buay pai leh  ;D

(http://hi-end.on9mart.com/products/amplifiers/integ_amp/AI-YQ-MC-84L/MC-84L-03_resize.jpg)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on July 06, 2007, 01:43
Look what just drop in  ;D

(http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/2646/mael34boxpackageyz5.jpg)

(http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/5228/mael34packageep8.jpg)

(http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/5469/mael34frontviewzs9.jpg)

Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: synthesis on July 06, 2007, 06:31
Awesome!
My EL84 mini is still in HK, processed for departure.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: maxngck on July 06, 2007, 07:28
Look what just drop in  ;D


(http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/5228/mael34packageep8.jpg)

(http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/5469/mael34frontviewzs9.jpg)



whoa! awesome man! how's the sound?
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on July 06, 2007, 07:50
Sound wasnt very full and clear. Cant comment much about the sound yet as it is still new and not run in. It manage to drive my floorstanders effortlessly. I'll wait for my bookshelf to arrive and give it more time to run in to comment about the sound.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: tinytok on July 06, 2007, 07:58
Bro, what bookshelve u've got?

My 15w KT88 just shipped out on monday...3 weeks more to go.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on July 06, 2007, 08:18
Bro, what bookshelve u've got?

My 15w KT88 just shipped out on monday...3 weeks more to go.

Usher 520
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: francis woo on July 06, 2007, 10:14
Darth bro, what's the voltage man!  The MZHS CD-88 that I got is 220 - 240V, just right for local use.... :)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on July 06, 2007, 11:27
Darth bro, what's the voltage man!  The MZHS CD-88 that I got is 220 - 240V, just right for local use.... :)

It should be the same voltage.

Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on July 06, 2007, 13:43
I also realise it is as heavy as my Yammy 2700 in fact the foot print is almost the same.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Mr. Big on July 06, 2007, 22:48
Darthfunk

How much you got the Music Angel for?
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: synthesis on July 09, 2007, 22:28
Anybody's looking for some serious tube amp  ;)
http://www.echoloft.com/cgi-bin/buysell/YaBB.cgi?board=hifi&action=display&num=1183963310
 :)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: tinytok on July 09, 2007, 23:09
Lovehifi poison...hifiluv
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on July 10, 2007, 00:10
Audition his Consonance at his place. All I can say is Sweet!  :D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: menthol28 on July 18, 2007, 03:04
anyone has dared kt88 mp15? saw selling at echoloft for $750(new)...
thinking of getting it as my FIRST tube amp  any reviews?
btw whats the diff inSQ between el34 and KT88 tubes?
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: hifiluv on July 18, 2007, 07:17
btw whats the diff inSQ between el34 and KT88 tubes?

u need to hear it for yourself and see which u prefer, each tube has its own character. 
the common comment will be lower power tube sound sweeter (EL84/6p1=EL34=6L6=KT66=KT88, etc), but recently i heard a KT88 amp driving JBL Horn speakers, the sound was pretty sweet.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: DJQ on July 18, 2007, 10:49
just asking, will buying the dared mp5 locally be cheaper or buying from Johnblue cheaper? :-[
afterall this thread is cheap tube amp right? so where n wat is cheapest?
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: hifiluv on July 18, 2007, 12:08
Dared MP5 is not available for sale in Sgp, Shenzhen factory sold rights to Fatman UK, which u can buy fm SL Sq, understand px is $9xx n for tis px, they throw in an Ipod dock station.  so Johnblue is still the only direct point of purchase for now, unless someone wants to let go his one,  :)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: synthesis on July 18, 2007, 23:18
Ahem, probably I will sell mine after getting the EL84 mini amp, which is scheduled to leave Hong Kong by tomorrow.  :)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: NCMK on July 19, 2007, 09:38
just asking, will buying the dared mp5 locally be cheaper or buying from Johnblue cheaper? :-[
afterall this thread is cheap tube amp right? so where n wat is cheapest?

Bro, i will advise you not to buy from JXXXBXXX...if you want to know why, PM me. 
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Smooth on July 19, 2007, 10:08
Hi Synthesis,
My EL84 is on the way too. Prolly my MP5 will be in the market soon.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: synthesis on July 19, 2007, 18:07
Hi Synthesis,
My EL84 is on the way too. Prolly my MP5 will be in the market soon.

Great. I just checked that my EL84 already left HK today. Maybe I will receive in a couple of wks.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: hifiluv on July 19, 2007, 22:06
Great. I just checked that my EL84 already left HK today. Maybe I will receive in a couple of wks.

ok, ship will arrive to Sgp in 3 days, then unload n custom clearance, if its fast, u can get amp in less than 2 wks.  wow...new toy coming... ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: NCMK on July 20, 2007, 11:03
Audition his Consonance at his place. All I can say is Sweet!  :D

Bro, any reviews on your newly acquired amp? 
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on July 20, 2007, 11:54
Bro, any reviews on your newly acquired amp? 

For the MA EL34 I only tested it once when it came in, sounded sweet and warm to my ears but needs alot of playing/running in to hear its full potential. Its now on my bedroom ledge waiting for my speakers to arrive. Once i get the full system in i can invite you guys to come over to audtion my HT and tube set up.  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: DJQ on July 20, 2007, 12:15
For the MA EL34 I only tested it once when it came in, sounded sweet and warm to my ears but needs alot of playing/running in to hear its full potential. Its now on my bedroom ledge waiting for my speakers to arrive. Once i get the full system in i can invite you guys to come over to audtion my HT and tube set up.  ;D

sweet!!!  ;)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: menthol28 on July 22, 2007, 05:28
hi all, i've all my life been using normal, boring cd hifi for music but recently fell in love with tube amps aft reading up in here and some auditioning... still very blur abt the range of diff tubes from el34 to kt88 and 300b... ???
some terms which i'm not sure abt are " single-ended integrated amp", "push-pull integrated"...whats the diff between the 2? and how come the watt per ch is like 12-15 for those made in china amps?
any kind soul care to help me out?
thanx :-\
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Mr. Big on July 22, 2007, 08:42
menthol28

Refer to this link

http://www.aikenamps.com/SingleEnded.htm

845 and 300B are used in Class A amps (usually low power) while KT88 are used in Class AB (push-pull configurations) for higher power.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: black tortoise on July 22, 2007, 11:33
Hi Guys,

Thought of getting a tube amp also. One question. I'm currently connecting my AVR to a pair of DM601 S3. can I connect a tube amp to this pair of speaker without disconnecting the cable from the AVR?

Sorry, newbie here.  ::)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: menthol28 on July 22, 2007, 12:28
menthol28

Refer to this link

http://www.aikenamps.com/SingleEnded.htm

845 and 300B are used in Class A amps (usually low power) while KT88 are used in Class AB (push-pull configurations) for higher power.

but how come a dared model mp15 i saw being advetised as kt88 tubes but single end?...contradicting and confused?
thanx for the link!
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: tinytok on July 22, 2007, 13:11
Received my AudioRomy KT88 with big disappointment.
http://www.hi-end.on9mart.com/cart/AR_KT88.html

1st. the 3 pair of RCA input jacks looks like is hand been "Gang Bang" for number of times before being put in the box.

2nd. Found that the CD input RCA jack was so badly "Bang" that its too lose that cause the left/right channel to have a different balance and quality of sound. Hence switch to the DVD input to rectify. So out of the box CD input is not working well.

3rd. open up the internal wiring to find that the solder joints are very poor and the wire that connect from the RCA to the switchs looks like is gonna fall apart anytime,

4th. The rectifier socket, from the diagram http://hi-end.on9mart.com/products/amplifiers/integ_amp/AI-AR-838-KT88-5svsv/AR-KT88_10.jpg there suppose to be 2 resistors across 2 socket pins, but it is not there.

Now comes the sound, it break in after 28 hours. I do not know the nature of KT88 tubes.
Howere, there's seems to be a lost of dynamic and the reduce in stage air. Maybe it still needs further break in.
compared to Arai 6P1 mini Amp, this amp offer much better control apart suffer the above at this point. Cai Qin Jin pian Zhi and MinGe sounds good. This unit does give a bigger sounding as i suppse being having a bigger transformer helps.

Hope that i have time to do another serious review in months to come.

AudioRomy 838, KT88 15w Single Ended Class A.
Marantz CD6000 OSE LE
Belden Interconnects.
Belden 1313a speaker cables
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on July 22, 2007, 17:39
Oh my you should inform leshele about it. Why dont you send it back to get a replacement set? Another alternative is to upgrade/mod the internals (wiring,caps, etc) but iam not sure how much will it cost.

Actually dont expect much from the internals like wiring and caps. All the pictures of all the tube amps shows that the internals are poorly done. If the upgrade cost less then $100 i dont mine sending in my MA EL34 in for an internal wiring and caps upgrade.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: tinytok on July 22, 2007, 20:19
have email him but no reply yet.

But i do not favour to send back as it cost shipping charges which might be better used on DIY the internal.


Oh my you should inform leshele about it. Why dont you send it back to get a replacement set? Another alternative is to upgrade/mod the internals (wiring,caps, etc) but iam not sure how much will it cost.

Actually dont expect much from the internals like wiring and caps. All the pictures of all the tube amps shows that the internals are poorly done. If the upgrade cost less then $100 i dont mine sending in my MA EL34 in for an internal wiring and caps upgrade.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: DanDon on July 22, 2007, 20:47
Me oso join the tube amp family liao. Yesterday, I brought back 1 pc of Meng Series EL84 from Guangzhou as shown in this link http://cgi.ebay.com.au/MENG-EL84-6p14-x-4pcs-Stereo-Integrated-Amplifier_W0QQitemZ190133426147QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/MENG-EL84-6p14-x-4pcs-Stereo-Integrated-Amplifier_W0QQitemZ190133426147QQcmdZViewItem). When I opened the back cover, to my disappointment, the internal components, wirings, solderings and workmanship look like sh*t  :(. What more can i ask for for the price I paid. :D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: synthesis on July 22, 2007, 23:00
If the unit is working and produce good sound then it's not so bad.  ;)
In comparison, the MP5 internal looks very well made and tidy.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: tinytok on July 23, 2007, 22:02
okie, seller reply. Dunno why lei, all sets are check before ship.

Anyway, this seller is still quite okie, don't want to press him too much since the DVD input is working and the picture provided on his web is outdated, claims that new circuit design is without resistor over the rectificer. Well it sounds good given so far the sound is not bad.

Have ask seller to lookout xindak power conditional/distributor 1000 for S$150, he says might get better price from the factory. Stay tune.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on July 23, 2007, 22:04
okie, seller reply. Dunno why lei, all sets are check before ship.

Anyway, this seller is still quite okie, don't want to press him too much since the DVD input is working and the picture provided on his web is outdated, claims that new circuit design is without resistor over the rectificer. Well it sounds good given so far the sound is not bad.

Have ask seller to lookout xindak power conditional/distributor 1000 for S$150, he says might get better price from the factory. Stay tune.

Wah so cheap basket i bought mine last week at $199.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on July 23, 2007, 22:24
My amp arrived today but I was not in, will collect from Post Office tomo.
Will keep u guys updated.  ;D
Title: Poison me with a cheap tube amp (Review on the MA EL34 and MHZS CD33)
Post by: Darthfunk on July 23, 2007, 22:44
Well since I have just sold off my Yammy 2700 and will be without an A/V receiver for at least one week till the Onkyo 875 arrives.
So what can i do for the next 1 week? Bring out the MA EL34 and the MHZS tube CD 33 from my bedroom to the hall of cause!

Hook up the B&W 603 which i double run (originally bi-amp to receiver) to the MA EL34. First CDP to hook up was the Marantz 63SE. Pop in my favour CD Ayo (Down on my knees) to test. First impression was WOW! It drove the floor standers effortlessly and i could hear things from my speakers which i didnt use to hear from the Yammy 2700. Sound is more open, warmer and clearer. Run through a few other CD's, last song was Maroon 5 (Sunday morning).

I run the MA EL34 in triode mode and all i can say about the sound is Sweet! Even the Direct mode from the Yamaha 2700 was in no comparison to it. It had plenty of power and my listening volume was only at 10 o'clock.

Next was to see how the MHZS tube CD 33 compared to the Marantz 63SE. Pop in the same CD maroon 5 (Sunday Morning) with the same sound level. Once i hit play i can hear a huge difference, the MHZS sounded crispier, better imaging and a tighter bass. Fyi, i had a friend who is a Singer by profession and borrowed his ears to share his observation and comments. He clearly like the MHZS as it was what i had mention, vocals were so much crispier, better imaging, and tighter bass. Played Alicia Keys and he even pointed out the different backup singer to me which i had never notice before.

Now iam stuck to tube sound all thanks to bro hifiluv. Damm poison man! :o

BTW if you guys (hifiluv, domho etc) are interested, can drop by my place this sunday from 1pm onwards to audition the set up and we can have some food after that at Katong ;D

PS: I can have max 4 guest as my house is too small to cater to more then that.  :-[
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: zapp on July 23, 2007, 22:54
u kanna-ed the tube poison liao lol.........

Welcome to the club :p
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on July 23, 2007, 23:02
u kanna-ed the tube poison liao lol.........

Welcome to the club :p

Ya man! The MA EL34 and the MHZS CD33 was sitting on my bedroom ledge waiting for the speakers (Usher) to arrive. Boy if only i knew how much i had missed!
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: zapp on July 23, 2007, 23:04
umm btw if u connect floorstanders to it - U TEND TO WANT TO KEEP THE FLOORSTANDERS CONNECTED lol...cos the bass response is soooo much more feeling...
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on July 23, 2007, 23:12
umm btw if u connect floorstanders to it - U TEND TO WANT TO KEEP THE FLOORSTANDERS CONNECTED lol...cos the bass response is soooo much more feeling...

Thats why when i hook it up to the tube its like WOW my floorstanders can produce such sound ah!  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: tinytok on July 23, 2007, 23:13
the speakers will benefit from a bigger power supply.

As in my case of KT88 VS 6P1 - 18kg Vs 9kg.

The kt88 really drive low my vintage Philip 9710 to be feel on the sofa.
This Audioromy did not arrive good but its making up with the sound now. getting better each day.

shall try my kt88 with wharfedale diamond 8.4 soon.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Quest on July 23, 2007, 23:14
darthfunk: bro, spreading the poison? :P
i been resisting all these tube threads very long already. hahaha
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: zapp on July 23, 2007, 23:22
Thats why when i hook it up to the tube its like WOW my floorstanders can produce such sound ah!  ;D
they give yr bass woofers a good work out
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on July 23, 2007, 23:23
darthfunk: bro, spreading the poison? :P
i been resisting all these tube threads very long already. hahaha

haha once the master of poison (hifiluv) speaks the poison will spread deeper! Anyway my set up, tube amp, tube cdp and bookshelf didnt cost me much compared to my HT set up. You should consider getting one since its relatively affordable, then you realise that you will not want to listen to stereo on an A/V amp any more.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: zapp on July 23, 2007, 23:27
But not true leh lol i just fixed up my Oppo 981 via HDMI to the SR8001...suddenly it also jump to life lol...

Yet to determine my review of the 6J1 tube buffer i got - now its fixed to my SR8001...
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: DanDon on July 23, 2007, 23:29
My Meng Series EL84 sounds very bright when played with Usher S520 and Jungson CD Player Ark No. 1 (newly bought from Guangzhou). Does it take time to sound warm?

I also bought Xindak XF-1000 from Guangzhou. When XF-1000 is connected to the mains socket-outlet and switch on the power, the red light indicator on XF-1000 lights up even before I press the switch on the XF-1000 to 'ON'. Accordingly to the manual, the red light should be lighted after I pressed the switch to 'ON'. Is this normal?
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on July 23, 2007, 23:31
Yo darthfunk congrats on your latest setup. You will love tubes more.

Cant wait till i lay my hands on the EL84, hope everything is ok.  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on July 23, 2007, 23:31
My Meng Series EL84 sounds very bright when played with Usher S520 and Jungson CD Player Ark No. 1 (newly bought from Guangzhou). Does it take time to sound warm?

I also bought Xindak XF-1000 from Guangzhou. When XF-1000 is connected to the mains socket-outlet and switch on the power, the red light indicator on XF-1000 lights up even before I press the switch on the XF-1000 to 'ON'. Accordingly to the manual, the red light should be lighted after I pressed the switch to 'ON'. Is this normal?

Yup its normal
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on July 23, 2007, 23:33
Yo darthfunk congrats on your latest setup. You will love tubes more.

Cant wait till i lay my hands on the EL84, hope everything is ok.  ;D

Yea now i finally understand why people keep saying must have seperate set up for HT and Stereo.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on July 23, 2007, 23:36
Yo darthfunk congrats on your latest setup. You will love tubes more.

Cant wait till i lay my hands on the EL84, hope everything is ok.  ;D

bro maybe you can bring your El84 over to test it out  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: DanDon on July 23, 2007, 23:37
Yup its normal

Heng ah! I tot mine got problem. Thanks bro.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on July 23, 2007, 23:38
bro maybe you can bring your El84 over to test it out  ;D

Hopefully the set is ok. Some bro here got the El84 also, wonder how they sound like with my fl standers.  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: DanDon on July 23, 2007, 23:52
My amp is fitted with 4x6P14 tubes. I dun noe why it's called Meng EL84 series in the website and manual said EL84(6P14)x4. What does EL84 mean?

I'm a newbie in tubes. Any bros here can enlighten me?

Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on July 24, 2007, 00:06
http://www.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?t=121357

There are 2 main types of tube naming conventions – American and European. They will be covered separately (and in detail) below.

European

European tubes follow a letter-letter-letter-digit -digit system. E.g. ECC88, ECC83, ECL82.

Letter 1, heater type:

A – 4V
B – 180mA
C – 200mA
D – 0.5V to 1.5V
E – 6.3V
F – 13V
G – 5V
H – 150mA
K – 2V
P – 300mA

Letter 2 (and subsequent letters), valve type:

A – Small-signal diode
B – Double small-signal diode
C – Small-signal triode
D – Power triode
E – Small-signal tetrode
F – Small-signal pentode
H – Hexode or heptode
K – Heptode or octode
L – Power tetrode or pentode
M – Fluorescent indicator
N – Thyratron
Q – Nonode
X – Gas-filled rectifier
Y – Half-wave rectifier
Z – Full-wave rectifier

Digit 1 (ignore digit 2 unless specified otherwise), base type:

1 – Use 2nd digit
2 – B8B
3 - Octal
4 – B8A
5 – B9D
8 – B9A
9 – B7G

Examples:

1. The ECC81 has a 6.3V heater, and is a twin small-signal triode using a B9A base.
2. The ECL82 has a 6.3V heater, and has a triode and a power tetrode/pentode within the same envelope. It has a B9A base. One would have to refer to the datasheets to verify that the ECL82 is a triode and a pentode.
3. The GZ34 has a 5V heater and is a full-wave rectifier using the octal base.

A few European companies however, ignored this naming convention completely, preferring to use their own proprietary naming systems. Ediswan/Mazda, Marconi Osram and STC are known to have different naming systems.

British tubes had their own separate naming system, distinguished by their ‘CV’ (Common Valve) prefix.

American

American tubes for the most part followed the Radio Electronics Television Manufacturers Association (RETMA) naming system. This system followed the digit-letter(s)-digit naming pattern.

1st digit: Approximate heater voltage (A 7 or 14 here refers to Loktal base types)

Letter(s): Arbitrarily assigned. Related to individual valve design.

2nd digit: Number of electrodes (heater included)

For octal tubes, an additional suffix system was used. These suffixes can be tacked on to the end of any American octal tube.

G: ‘Glass’ indicating likely usage of the ST14 (Shouldered Tube) glass envelope. Shoulder Tubes resemble soft drink bottles

GT: ‘Glass, Tubular’ later glass envelops were simply cylinders with a hemispherical end.

Examples:

1. The 6SN7GT uses a 6.3V heater and being a double-triode, has 7 electrodes (2 triodes + heater). It has a cylindrical glass shape with a hemispherical end.
2. The 12AT7 uses a 12.6V heater and being a double-triode, has 7 electrodes (2 triodes + heater).
3. The 5AR4 uses a 5V heater and being a full-wave rectifier, has 4 electrodes (1 cathode, 1 heater, 2 anodes).

There were also military tubes, either having a ‘JAN’ (Joint-Army-Navy) prefix, following a VT-digit-digit-digit (e.g. VT-231) system or a 4 digit system (e.g. 5692, 6080). In the later 2 both cases, the digits were chosen arbitrarily, hence attempting to define any logical pattern is futile.

Western Electric followed its own numbering system - usually 3 digits followed by an alphabet. E.g. 300B, 300A, 421A, 417A.

A note on American JAN/VT designated tubes:

While these tubes were subjected to a more stringent set of quality control criteria to attain military 'approval', more often than not these tubes were completely identical to non-military tubes of the same vintage. Often both civilian and military versions were made in the same factories in the exact same production line.

A single tube may have many different designations – for examples, the 12AX7 tube is also known as the ECC83 or CV492. Please remember to contact your amp manufacturer before doing any substitutions.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: DanDon on July 24, 2007, 00:13
Thanks for the info.  :)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on July 24, 2007, 20:50
Just collected from the Post Office

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l261/REXDJ/TubeAmpBox.jpg)
Looks like a Gift from Outside

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l261/REXDJ/TubeBox1.jpg)
Well packed with foams on both sides

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l261/REXDJ/TubeAmp.jpg)
The Tubes packed in a another smaller box

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l261/REXDJ/TubeAmp1.jpg)

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l261/REXDJ/TubeAmp2.jpg)

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l261/REXDJ/TubeAmp3.jpg)
The RCA plugs look ok

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l261/REXDJ/TubeAmp4.jpg)

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l261/REXDJ/TubeAmp5.jpg)

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l261/REXDJ/TubeAmp6.jpg)

Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on July 24, 2007, 21:25
Congrats you finally got it after such a long wait!  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on July 24, 2007, 21:30
Yeah its been a long wait.

I must say, vocals sounds so sweet & smooth with tubes. After running in more than an hr, sounding gd.  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: zapp on July 24, 2007, 21:31
Hmm i got this 6p1 amp too...or is it a EL84 ???

I getting confused by all these MIC amps...
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on July 24, 2007, 21:48
Should be similiar just that the tubes are slightly different
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: DanDon on July 24, 2007, 21:55
Same amp as mine too. Wondering how much zapp & domho8 paid for it? I paid it for RMB1100 (abt S$223).

My wife and son complained that they smelt plastic burning when i played in an air-conditioned room. I didn't smell it cos my nose is not sensitive to smell. Do you oso smell plastic burning?
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: zapp on July 24, 2007, 22:05
yup mine still has a bit of the "burning" smell lol...now its sitting in my room doing nothing :p

I think i paid about similar to you for the amp cant really remember
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on July 24, 2007, 22:06
Well since i brought out the MA EL34 and the MHZS CD33 out to the hall its been sounding better and better. Been playing it the last 3 hours and iam on my 3rd CD its really giving my floorstanders a goodwork out. Dont think i'll get use the the Marantz after hearing the MHZS, sound is so much crispier and a much tighter bass.

Here are some pics of my make shift set up before the Onkyo arrives.

The MA EL34 taking over the temporary spot before it goes back to the bed room ledge
(http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/3046/mael34frontviewuh1.jpg)

(http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/2191/mael34nightviewsr7.jpg)

Double run (use to bi-amp the Yammy)
(http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/6520/mael34backviewve0.jpg)

MHZS CD33
(http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/7982/mhzscd33sl5.jpg)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on July 24, 2007, 22:07
Same amp as mine too. Wondering how much zapp & domho8 paid for it? I paid it for RMB1100 (abt S$223).

My wife and son complained that they smelt plastic burning when i played in an air-conditioned room. I didn't smell it cos my nose is not sensitive to smell. Do you oso smell plastic burning?

I just on aircon, yes can smell the plasticky smell.
Wah if u cant smell it, better hv nose check ah. Joking.  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: DanDon on July 24, 2007, 22:13
Thanks for the concern. Checked a few years back. Doc said nothing wrong  ;).
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on July 24, 2007, 22:18
Thanks for the concern. Checked a few years back. Doc said nothing wrong  ;).

Relax!!

I didnt realise the plastic smell, only when I on my aircon.

Bro darthfunk, do u experience such smell. KNN hope it doesnt melt overnight.  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: zapp on July 24, 2007, 22:18
Basically when u use it in a closed environment w/o fresh air circulation the smell will emit lol...
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on July 24, 2007, 22:19
Btw DanDon how much you bought your Xindax 1000E for in China?
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on July 24, 2007, 22:21
Relax!!

I didnt realise the plastic smell, only when I on my aircon.

Bro darthfunk, do u experience such smell. KNN hope it doesnt melt overnight.  ;D

Yea the smell is normal whenever it is playing. Some heat smell from the tube i guess but you have get close to smell it.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: tinytok on July 24, 2007, 22:29
After sometime, it will be gone.

It does not exist on my KT88

Yea the smell is normal whenever it is playing. Some heat smell from the tube i guess but you have get close to smell it.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: DanDon on July 24, 2007, 22:35
Btw DanDon how much you bought your Xindax 1000E for in China?

Mine is XF-1000. Bought at RMB650 (abt S$132).
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on July 24, 2007, 22:38
Mine is XF-1000. Bought at RMB650 (abt S$132).

OMG thats bloody cheap! I got mine at $199 :'(
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on July 24, 2007, 22:39
OMG thats bloody cheap! I got mine at $199 :'(

Maybe we should plan for a trip to China or HK to hoot some gd electronics.  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on July 24, 2007, 22:47
Maybe we should plan for a trip to China or HK to hoot some gd electronics.  ;D

Lol more poison!  :P
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: DanDon on July 24, 2007, 22:50
Make sure check-in lugguages and items do not exceed 25kg for each passenger. Or else, need to pay RMB84 for 1kg. I just learnt my lesson.  :'(
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: petetherock on July 24, 2007, 22:53
Bro
Get it from HKG (wrote a thread with the address)
S$ 80
No fight

OMG thats bloody cheap! I got mine at $199 :'(
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: petetherock on July 24, 2007, 22:54
BTW the smell can be due to melting plastics around the transfomer or power supply, beware.
I didn't get it with my MP 5
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: zapp on July 24, 2007, 22:56
ya MP5 and my Cayin no smell  :-\ quite puzzling about the 6P1
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: DanDon on July 24, 2007, 22:57
Bro
Get it from HKG (wrote a thread with the address)
S$ 80
No fight


I missed the train when i was in HK last year. Saw the item in Mongkok and didn't buy as I do not know the price here at that time. Sighz..... :(
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: DanDon on July 24, 2007, 23:03
BTW the smell can be due to melting plastics around the transfomer or power supply, beware.
I didn't get it with my MP 5


Could be due to the internal poor quality, design, components and workmanship. I'm quite worry when I opened the back cover and saw the internal. 
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on July 24, 2007, 23:07
Bro
Get it from HKG (wrote a thread with the address)
S$ 80
No fight


Oh my can buy 2 of it  :'( Oh well paid for it already.  :-\
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: hifiluv on July 25, 2007, 07:35
when my mini 6p1 was new, yes there a smell, but after 2 weeks into playing, the smell is gone, also the unit is not as hot as before... so 2 weeks of burning in....literally

hv the amp since Dec, play average 3-4 hrs daily, still running strong.  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: tinytok on July 25, 2007, 08:42
I am surprise that with so many amps you have, you are still stuck with this 6p1 :)

I've move this amp to my office...so far no one kanna poision yet.

when my mini 6p1 was new, yes there a smell, but after 2 weeks into playing, the smell is gone, also the unit is not as hot as before... so 2 weeks of burning in....literally

hv the amp since Dec, play average 3-4 hrs daily, still running strong.  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: synthesis on July 25, 2007, 09:38

I've move this amp to my office...so far no one kanna poision yet.



You need to change your marketing tactics.  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: hifiluv on July 25, 2007, 09:58
I am surprise that with so many amps you have, you are still stuck with this 6p1 :)

I've move this amp to my office...so far no one kanna poision yet.


ha ha...... very happy with the 6p1 for the moment, fill my bedroom with lively, fluid,dynamic sound, what more to ak for.

now playing with newly acquired Jamo satellites... wah tis one giant killer man, never heard such dynamic sound frm such a small box (only 5"x7"x5"), ... ;D

Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on July 25, 2007, 21:30
when my mini 6p1 was new, yes there a smell, but after 2 weeks into playing, the smell is gone, also the unit is not as hot as before... so 2 weeks of burning in....literally

hv the amp since Dec, play average 3-4 hrs daily, still running strong.  ;D

2nd day running in, the smell not as strong as 1st day.  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: synthesis on July 25, 2007, 21:33
2nd day running in, the smell not as strong as 1st day.  ;D


So how's the sound? Mine probably is still floating on the sea..
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on July 25, 2007, 21:43
My tubes GE Jan 5670 just arrived goner swap away the China tubes from the MHZS CDP  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on July 25, 2007, 21:45


So how's the sound? Mine probably is still floating on the sea..

Vocals sound sweeter!!!

Yours maybe travelling by samphan, mine by motorised samphan.  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on July 25, 2007, 22:00
Anything from Jennychan is sure to travel by sampan!  :P

Bloodyhell leshele price freaking inflated!!!!  :o
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: synthesis on July 25, 2007, 22:25
Anything from Jennychan is sure to travel by sampan!  :P

Bloodyhell leshele price freaking inflated!!!!  :o


I think Jennychan close shop liao that's why Leshele can increase the price.
Probably my sampan needs some towing..  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: zapp on July 25, 2007, 22:25
ya interesting why now jennychan store got NOTHING lol...maybe she on long holiday :p
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on July 25, 2007, 22:32
Jennychan now having a holiday in Miami.  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Smooth on July 26, 2007, 15:15
 

I think Jennychan close shop liao that's why Leshele can increase the price.
Probably my sampan needs some towing..  ;D
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Mine probably the sampan operator row with his hands. Feel like going thru cold turkey.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Smooth on July 26, 2007, 15:17
Anything from Jennychan is sure to travel by sampan!  :P

Bloodyhell leshele price freaking inflated!!!!  :o

I'm lucky. Just got my EL84 before the px went up. Save at least GBP 26.00
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on July 26, 2007, 15:20
They may have merge
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on July 30, 2007, 21:23
Vocals sound sweeter!!!

Yours maybe travelling by samphan, mine by motorised samphan.  ;D

bro domho so hows your EL84 doing?
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on July 31, 2007, 19:10
bro domho so hows your EL84 doing?

Past week been biz like hell dah!!!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: synthesis on July 31, 2007, 22:19
My sampan has reached Singapore and the parcel is being processed.
Can't wait  :)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on July 31, 2007, 22:25
My sampan has reached Singapore and the parcel is being processed.
Can't wait  :)

Congrats finally they have reached shore. Update us of your new toy dah!!! ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: bolts on August 01, 2007, 19:01
My sampan has reached Singapore and the parcel is being processed.
Can't wait  :)

Post picture leh.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: SiriuslyCold on August 01, 2007, 20:49
not of the sampan, obviously. ;)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: synthesis on August 01, 2007, 21:06
not of the sampan, obviously. ;)


Well, I waited in the port....  ;D  ;D

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/yusuf_ar/DSCN9905a.jpg)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: civicguy on August 02, 2007, 18:20
Jenny still on lei.

But I noticed there are no SEA shipping anymore ????
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: synthesis on August 05, 2007, 01:47
Finally the EL84 mini amp arrived. Lifting up the amp from its box gave a substantial feeling. Unlike the lightweight MP5, you can feel the heft with this mini tube amp. Opening the plastic wrap didn't give me a good feeling, though. The plastic stuck to the decorative metal sheet around the tube area. Apparently the adhesive that is used to hold down the metal sheet was spread on top of the sheet and it was still not cured yet. I need to clean up using tissue paper damped with acetone. Ok the mess was gone but I was a bit worried that the glue may spread onto the tube socket affecting the contact. Fortunately it's not the case. The speaker binding post also looks and feels substantial. On the other hand, the RCA inputs are already tarnished and not shiny. I wonder how it looks inside. I'll find out later.

Ok time to switch on. Boy, this is one stinky amp, literally! Strong odor from the above non-cured adhesive was released when the amp is warm. The smell is similar to the smell of clear fishtank adhesive/sealant. I put the amp in the kitchen near the window and left it ON overnight to make the adhesive cure faster. It's much better now but I'll cook overnight again later.

I didn't get a chance to have good listening session with this amp, but the initial impression is that the midrange has more body compared the clean sounding MP5. Sweet sounding amp alright.  :)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/yusuf_ar/PICT3380a-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: DanDon on August 05, 2007, 11:13
Alrite man, now there're 4 of us (zapp, domho8, synthesis and myself) own the same tube amps.

Hi! Synthesis

Have you opened up the bottom cover and seen the internal construction? What is your view?
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on August 05, 2007, 11:16
Alrite man, now there're 4 of us (zapp, domho4, synthesis and myself) own the same tube amps.

Hi! Synthesis

Have you opened up the bottom cover and seen the internal construction? What is your view?

Dandon how's your EL84 doing so far.  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: DanDon on August 05, 2007, 11:25
I find it bright but clear vocal when used with Ushers S520. I 'm still using the stock power cord. Probably I will try with JBL floorstander on other day.

What about you?
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: zapp on August 05, 2007, 14:36
my amp still stinks up to today......syn any idea whats causing the smell? how do u "cure" the adhesive...it sounds good but the smell gives me headaches...
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on August 05, 2007, 17:59
my amp still stinks up to today......syn any idea whats causing the smell? how do u "cure" the adhesive...it sounds good but the smell gives me headaches...

Ever since i have brought out the tube to the hall and running it in for a good 2 weeks the smell has disappear.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on August 05, 2007, 18:21
I find it bright but clear vocal when used with Ushers S520. I 'm still using the stock power cord. Probably I will try with JBL floorstander on other day.

What about you?

Yep I do find it abit bright, but vocals were clear.  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: hifiluv on August 05, 2007, 19:07
yes, if u use the amp long enough, the smell will burn out... ;D

hv been using mine since Dec, no more smell, also amp as not hot as when its new.  :)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: synthesis on August 05, 2007, 19:33
Zapp,
Yea I guess only time and temperature can speed up the curing process. You may leave it on overnight like what I did.  :D The smell give me a bit headache also.

Dandon,
I don't find it bright. It could be your 520  ;) I'm driving my diy floorstander with it so sufficient bass would balance the freq response. I opened up the back cover. Off course the soldering is not as tidy as robot soldered board, but still not so bad. It's hand soldered afterall. I guess many tube amps are like this. The electrolytic capacitors are from Rubycon, Samsung and Nippon Chemi-con. Standard for many electronics.

Anybody has any idea if replacing the rectangular blue caps with say Mundorf M-Cap will improve the sound? The value is 0.1uF.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/yusuf_ar/EL84Internal.jpg)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: zapp on August 05, 2007, 21:31
Ever since i have brought out the tube to the hall and running it in for a good 2 weeks the smell has disappear.
umm i owned my 6p1 amp for almost ONE year liao zzzzzz sigh i think i must have switched on defintely >100hrs...but the smell still is there.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on August 05, 2007, 23:12
Zapp,
Yea I guess only time and temperature can speed up the curing process. You may leave it on overnight like what I did.  :D The smell give me a bit headache also.

Dandon,
I don't find it bright. It could be your 520  ;) I'm driving my diy floorstander with it so sufficient bass would balance the freq response. I opened up the back cover. Off course the soldering is not as tidy as robot soldered board, but still not so bad. It's hand soldered afterall. I guess many tube amps are like this. The electrolytic capacitors are from Rubycon, Samsung and Nippon Chemi-con. Standard for many electronics.

Anybody has any idea if replacing the rectangular blue caps with say Mundorf M-Cap will improve the sound? The value is 0.1uF.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/yusuf_ar/EL84Internal.jpg)


(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l261/REXDJ/Picture026.jpg)
Looks familiar, maybe after playing awhile can change some caps.
 ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: ical on August 05, 2007, 23:26
Previously thought of upgrading my tube pre caps but realised that caps are not cheap. Be prepare to spend about $150 to hear the improvement. Unless you can diy, it'll be much cheaper.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: synthesis on August 05, 2007, 23:54

Looks familiar, maybe after playing awhile can change some caps.
 ;D


Well, I don't know how critical it is but my three big brown caps have different values from yours. Yours also has four resistors nearby those caps while I only have three. Who has the right blueprint  ;D  ::)  Any tube expert here can comment?

Ical,
If the more important caps are the four blue caps, soldering is very easy. Don't even need to dismantle the PC B.  ;)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on August 05, 2007, 23:58


Well, I don't know how critical it is but my three big brown caps have different values from yours. Yours also has four resistors nearby those caps while I only have three. Who has the right blueprint  ;D  ::)  Any tube expert here can comment?

Ical,
If the more important caps are the four blue caps, soldering is very easy. Don't even need to dismantle the PC B.  ;)

Must ask DanDon to post his internals liao!! Those big brown caps can change bo, I dont like the color!!! HA! HA!  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: DanDon on August 06, 2007, 00:43
Dandon,
I don't find it bright. It could be your 520  ;) I'm driving my diy floorstander with it so sufficient bass would balance the freq response. I opened up the back cover. Off course the soldering is not as tidy as robot soldered board, but still not so bad. It's hand soldered afterall. I guess many tube amps are like this. The electrolytic capacitors are from Rubycon, Samsung and Nippon Chemi-con. Standard for many electronics.

You're right. Brightness probably due to 520.

Finally, i got time to try on JBL floorstander today after dinner. As compared to 520, JBL is less brighter but with enough bass, more engaging and room filling. I would want to change some components if its could improve the sound.

Must ask DanDon to post his internals liao!! Those big brown caps can change bo, I dont like the color!!! HA! HA!  ;D
 
What a coincidence? Before I saw your your post asking for the internal, I was snapping away. ;D Here is the internal view of my tube amp. Red P.C.B.  8)

(http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o181/dandondap/IMG_0034.jpg)



Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: ical on August 06, 2007, 00:51
Ical,
If the more important caps are the four blue caps, soldering is very easy. Don't even need to dismantle the PC B.  ;)

My pre amp caps are solder under the board so have to remove the whole thing to do it. Too technical for me. :(
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: tinytok on August 08, 2007, 13:33
For those who find that you amp sounds bright with certain speakers, what interconnects are you using?

I've change my belden to an old pair of IXOS and brightness went away.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: zapp on August 08, 2007, 17:01
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l261/REXDJ/Picture026.jpg)
Looks familiar, maybe after playing awhile can change some caps.
 ;D
My 6p1 interior looks like this...but seriously i owned it almost one year liao. the smell still there sheesh. What can i do to get rid of it man...
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: francis woo on August 08, 2007, 17:03
SELL IT........... ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Smooth on August 08, 2007, 17:17
Ya la! Someone looking for tube amp.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: synthesis on August 08, 2007, 18:32
My 6p1 interior looks like this...but seriously i owned it almost one year liao. the smell still there sheesh. What can i do to get rid of it man...


The smell is coming from the glue that holds down the decorative metal piece around the tubes. If you can pry open and remove the glue that will be best. But I doubt you can do that easily without damaging that metal piece.  ;)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: yeppie99 on August 09, 2007, 22:05
guys, i've read through most of the threads on tube poisoning and i am very eager to get poisoned! what can i expect the difference to be like, with me switching over from very normal (aka low grade) listening setups like computer to multimedia speakers?

is the difference really heaven and earth or will a non-audiophile like me not be able to tell the difference? i plan to first get the tube amp, then a cheap 2nd hand ($200-$300) bookshelf and connect to my dvd player and try out. is that a good starter or should i spring for a good cd player?

i will be mainly listening to jacky cheung oldies.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: synthesis on August 09, 2007, 23:07
Put it this way. If you use this amp with computer speaker you won't be able to realise the potential of this amp. The bottleneck is not with the amp. At $300 or so, depending on your luck, this amp carries a lot more value. It can be paired with other more expensive components, no problem. I'm using $1.1k CDP and DIY speaker based on commercial model retailing for about $5k. The amp is not shy.  ;)

You can start with what you plan. Get a system first. After you are familiar with your setup, you will understand what you want for the next upgrade.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: DanDon on August 09, 2007, 23:21
guys, i've read through most of the threads on tube poisoning and i am very eager to get poisoned! i will be mainly listening to jacky cheung oldies.

Hm...Venon has gotten into your vein just like me. Careful, it's lethal.

Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: civicguy on August 09, 2007, 23:30
Hm...Venon has gotten into your vein just like me. Careful, it's lethal.




VERY VERY LETHAL. POISON !!!  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: ical on August 09, 2007, 23:51
Haha! Sound very familiar. This is what those old audiophiles told me before. I chose to ignore and tried Diva Classic One for a start. Just want to see what so great about tubes........ ::) Now end up with full tube pre and amps. ;D Don't think I'll ever go back to solidstate unless I can afford MBL and Jeff Rowland.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: yeppie99 on August 10, 2007, 20:27
Haha! Sound very familiar. This is what those old audiophiles told me before. I chose to ignore and tried Diva Classic One for a start. Just want to see what so great about tubes........ ::) Now end up with full tube pre and amps. ;D Don't think I'll ever go back to solidstate unless I can afford MBL and Jeff Rowland.

ok that settles it. next week going to hong kong. will buy poison there.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on August 10, 2007, 20:29
ok that settles it. next week going to hong kong. will buy poison there.

You will be posion badly  ;D Once you go into tube stereo there is no turning back  ;)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: ical on August 10, 2007, 20:44
Make sure you do some homework beforehand. Doesn't meant that all amps that run on tubes are good.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: ipaq4444 on August 11, 2007, 00:15
side track at bit, since this topic is on cheap tude amp.


i have recently got my hand on a set of MP5. can i match it with a set of hifi speaker at 4ohms impedance and a max input of 40W(Peak).

will i burn my amp or shorten my amp if i do that. have been searching over the forums but did not see any mention about speaker inputs.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on August 11, 2007, 11:32
You will be posion badly  ;D Once you go into tube stereo there is no turning back  ;)

Yep, careful of your wallet also. May burn deep deep!!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: ical on August 11, 2007, 12:23
side track at bit, since this topic is on cheap tude amp.

i have recently got my hand on a set of MP5. can i match it with a set of hifi speaker at 4ohms impedance and a max input of 40W(Peak).

will i burn my amp or shorten my amp if i do that. have been searching over the forums but did not see any mention about speaker inputs.

MP5 only has a single output jack which usually design for 4 to 8 ohms speakers. So it's not a problem.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on August 11, 2007, 13:07
Finally the EL84 opening up. Vocals sounding crispier. Details & separations much clearer.  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: ical on August 11, 2007, 13:23
Wah!!! All these NOS EL84 tubes looks damn good!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/cannoncal/el84group.jpg)
https://www.tubeworld.com/index_high.htm
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Spunky on August 11, 2007, 16:35
side track at bit, since this topic is on cheap tude amp.


i have recently got my hand on a set of MP5. can i match it with a set of hifi speaker at 4ohms impedance and a max input of 40W(Peak).

will i burn my amp or shorten my amp if i do that. have been searching over the forums but did not see any mention about speaker inputs.

If using 4ohms spkrs, try to play only at moderate volume just to be safe! ;)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Smooth on August 11, 2007, 16:55
side track at bit, since this topic is on cheap tude amp.


i have recently got my hand on a set of MP5. can i match it with a set of hifi speaker at 4ohms impedance and a max input of 40W(Peak).

will i burn my amp or shorten my amp if i do that. have been searching over the forums but did not see any mention about speaker inputs.


Hi Ipaq,
welcome to the warm side.Once poision, there is no turning back. Good luck.

K.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Smooth on August 11, 2007, 17:29
My sampan has reached Singapore and the parcel is being processed.
Can't wait  :)

My amp has reached the shore. Getting my amp by next week. ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: synthesis on August 11, 2007, 17:48
My amp has reached the shore. Getting my amp by next week. ;D


Cool!!  :)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: ical on August 11, 2007, 20:26
My amp has reached the shore. Getting my amp by next week. ;D

Nice.....give us your feedback once your amp has settled.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on August 13, 2007, 23:24
Just swap my Chord Calypso ICs with Klotz 107, sounds warmer and not that bright.  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: ical on August 14, 2007, 00:05
It seem like Klotz IC matches very well with tube amps. All reviews are positive.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Mr. Big on August 14, 2007, 00:08
It seem like Klotz IC matches very well with tube amps. All reviews are positive.

I got the Klotz GY107 last Friday.  Still waiting for break-in. Some slight improvement initally but then again, maybe I am expecting too much.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: DanDon on August 14, 2007, 00:11
are u all refering to Klotz GY107 with Neutrik profi IC?
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on August 14, 2007, 00:12
I got the Klotz GY107 last Friday.  Still waiting for break-in. Some slight improvement initally but then again, maybe I am expecting too much.

Let it run for few more days, u wont be disappointed.  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: ical on August 14, 2007, 00:13
are u all refering to Klotz GY107 with Neutrik profi IC?

Yes, that's the one. Btw, it take a long time to run in. So be patience.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Mr. Big on August 14, 2007, 00:17
are u all refering to Klotz GY107 with Neutrik profi IC?
Yup got 1m pair with Neutrik plugs from Robert at LHS together with Belden 1313A speakers cables (2.5m pair) and 8 speaker jacks.  The lot at exactly SGD100.  However, broke one of the speaker jacks (very tight) while trying to shove it into the sockets.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on August 14, 2007, 00:18
Hi DanDon do u hv the EL84, if u find it abit bright, the Klotz 107 will tame it nicely!!!
I just tried it.  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Mr. Big on August 14, 2007, 00:21
Oh BTW, does anyone ever tried to reverse Live and Neutral of the power cord to hear any effect?  I think the MIC amps may have got it wrong.  Very evident if you switch off and hear a pop sound (bad for speakers).
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: DanDon on August 14, 2007, 00:22
I have Klotz GY107 with Neutrik profi IC for few months and currently using it with my AVR. Hmmm, now it's time to switch it to tube amp liao.  ;D

Thanks for all the advise.  ;)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Smooth on August 14, 2007, 10:50
Yoohoo! ;D.Today a 20 pounder drops in my office.The Yaqin EL84 is beautiful. Try to post the pic but do know how. The amp shown both voltage 110v and 220v. Don't know if auto switch or not but have contacted Leshele to clarify.


Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Smooth on August 14, 2007, 11:03
I have used both Klotz GY107 and Belden 89207 with neutrik profil. Find 89207 lack of bass on MP5. But vocal is good. As for Klotz, I find it warmer.

So tonite, will try the GY107 with my new amp and compare with Belden later.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: apteryx on August 14, 2007, 11:16
Hi guys,

I'm thinking of modding my MIC tube amp, can you advise where can I get it mod?  ???

Cheers
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: ical on August 14, 2007, 23:44
Hi guys,

I'm thinking of modding my MIC tube amp, can you advise where can I get it mod?  ???

Cheers

Send for mod like changing caps etc is not cheap. Can easily cost more than your amp. So will not advice you to do it. Unless you can diy.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Chowbotak on August 14, 2007, 23:49
U are lucky bro, prices have escalated ah... Tot wanna get 300B, now left with nothing  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on August 14, 2007, 23:59
U are lucky bro, prices have escalated ah... Tot wanna get 300B, now left with nothing  ;D

Bro saved up for next HK AV trip, u can hoot amp back from there.  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Mr. Big on August 15, 2007, 00:19
U are lucky bro, prices have escalated ah... Tot wanna get 300B, now left with nothing  ;D
Any idea what happened to Jenny Chan on eBay?
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Smooth on August 15, 2007, 11:04
U are lucky bro, prices have escalated ah... Tot wanna get 300B, now left with nothing  ;D

Hi Bro, should have hold on to your EL84 before embarking on the 300B. I recd mine yesterday. 1st impression sound slow and fuzzy. Need more time to burn in.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: ical on August 15, 2007, 11:11
I recd mine yesterday. 1st impression sound slow and fuzzy. Need more time to burn in.

It's normal. Patience, my friend......... :)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: 2100 on August 15, 2007, 19:05
Hi Bro, should have hold on to your EL84 before embarking on the 300B. I recd mine yesterday. 1st impression sound slow and fuzzy. Need more time to burn in.
I don't think burning in will change that slow and fuzzy (and often rolled off) feeling, coz it would have been voiced THAT way. The most is change coupling and input caps known for having the opposite characteristics, like TFTFs and BG non-polar wired in super-E. IF you want fast, transparent 300B kind of sound you'd need to go the DRD route or something. Like this....

http://6moons.com/audioreviews/silvertone/model32.html
Designed by bro Gilwin (Singaporean!). This can hear at Aural Designs, I tell you it is F fast and F transparent.

http://www.welbornelabs.com/
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: ipaq4444 on August 20, 2007, 17:49
Thanks Smooth.


still looking for a kef Q or 1010 to match it.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Smooth on August 21, 2007, 11:22
Hi Ipaq,
No problem. Omega red is offering you his KEF. You may go for an audition.
Look nice leh.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: hifiluv on August 21, 2007, 11:28
yep, agree with Smooth, geen geen grab man.  as current owner of the Q Compact, its unique UniqQ design (tweeter sitting inside the mid driver) cast a very decent soundstage and can be used even in the living room. and KEF is very well known to produce very musical speakers, real VFM.  :)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Funkyjazz on August 21, 2007, 11:38
Hi,

New to tube amp...but now get poison after reading. Any good recommendation of cheap tube amp to drive a floorstander speakers?  ;D Is there a minimum power/watts required? I listen mainly jazz with occasional pop music.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: synthesis on August 21, 2007, 21:35
Floorstanders are not exactly harder to drive compared to bookshelf speaker, probably even easier. Those mic tube amp is inexpensive enough to try.  :)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Funkyjazz on August 21, 2007, 22:32
Floorstanders are not exactly harder to drive compared to bookshelf speaker, probably even easier. Those mic tube amp is inexpensive enough to try.  :)

Thanks. Seem like Dared is a reason brand to start with.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: synthesis on August 21, 2007, 22:53
Thanks. Seem like Dared is a reason brand to start with.


Dared MP5 gives nice clean sound, while those mini amp from ebay will give you fuller sound. I like the mini tube amp better. I'm driving my diy floorstander with it. 
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Funkyjazz on August 21, 2007, 23:47


Dared MP5 gives nice clean sound, while those mini amp from ebay will give you fuller sound. I like the mini tube amp better. I'm driving my diy floorstander with it. 

Is it true that MP5 is too small to push louder? How about other Dared amp like VP16, 20 etc, will it sound better?
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: synthesis on August 22, 2007, 00:06
MP5 is tube pre with low power ss amp while others you mentioned is full tube amp. MP5 is more suitable for bedroom setup. For bigger room, full tube amp serves you better, esp if your speaker has good sensitivity. MP5 is lacking some bass compared to tube amp.   
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Smooth on August 22, 2007, 08:41
As Synthesis said. If you need your setup in the living room, use the MIC amp.
Previously I can only use my Dared in the bedroom but now with the cheap EL84, the setup has been moved to the living. And without the support of extra subwoofer........ the sound is much fuller.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Funkyjazz on August 22, 2007, 12:26
As Synthesis said. If you need your setup in the living room, use the MIC amp.
Previously I can only use my Dared in the bedroom but now with the cheap EL84, the setup has been moved to the living. And without the support of extra subwoofer........ the sound is much fuller.

Thanks. Which brand of MIC EL84 you are using? Does the different tube such as 300B, EL34, 6P6 etc. give different sound characteristic?
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Smooth on August 22, 2007, 15:12
Hi Funkjazz,
Just follow this thread from the beginning, you can find the Leshele link. Or if you are lucky enough, you can find Jenny Chan's too. Mine is Yaqin EL84. Cost about $300+. You may also go for EL34. About the same price.

I think the price of the amp may be higher, since Jenny's website is not active anymore. The diff between the tubes are all written by hifiluv in this thread too.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Funkyjazz on August 22, 2007, 22:26
Hi Funkjazz,
Just follow this thread from the beginning, you can find the Leshele link. Or if you are lucky enough, you can find Jenny Chan's too. Mine is Yaqin EL84. Cost about $300+. You may also go for EL34. About the same price.

I think the price of the amp may be higher, since Jenny's website is not active anymore. The diff between the tubes are all written by hifiluv in this thread too.

Thanks alot.  ;)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: imbest on August 24, 2007, 02:27
just curious, how much and where you bought your Usher S-520?
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on August 24, 2007, 11:35
just curious, how much and where you bought your Usher S-520?

Audio note is selling it at $480.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: civicguy on August 24, 2007, 11:47
Audio note is selling it at $480.

Performance Bonus.. Year End Bonus.. When, oh when, do you come to my pocket.... :)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: synthesis on August 24, 2007, 16:39
Performance Bonus.. Year End Bonus.. When, oh when, do you come to my pocket.... :)


If you belong to 66.6%  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on August 24, 2007, 18:24


If you belong to 66.6%  ;D  ;D

That category can hoot anything dah!!! NO need budgeting.  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: synthesis on August 25, 2007, 23:00
Just finished replacing those blue rectangular capacitors with Mundorf M-Cap and other eight Rubycons with Elna Silmic. Any improvement? I'm not quite sure actually. Without direct AB comparison sometimes it's not easy to tell. It still sounds good and maybe better now. At least I feel good. :)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/yusuf_ar/EL84Internal.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/yusuf_ar/PICT3518a.jpg)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: 2100 on August 26, 2007, 00:15
Any improvement? I'm not quite sure actually. Without direct AB comparison sometimes it's not easy to tell. It still sounds good and maybe better now. At least I feel good. :)
I guess something must be holding it back, like the power supply, OPT, tubes or what.....since your system is buay pai and your mod + caps quality jump is very dramatic. In 2 of my cases, both are positive...... and even for MIC Cayin as modded by some other bros, the difference is quite detectable.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: synthesis on August 26, 2007, 08:56
I guess something must be holding it back, like the power supply, OPT, tubes or what.....since your system is buay pai and your mod + caps quality jump is very dramatic. In 2 of my cases, both are positive...... and even for MIC Cayin as modded by some other bros, the difference is quite detectable.


It could be. It could be my ears also haha....
But I didn't listen to it seriously lately so I may forgot how it sounded. Anyway now the sound is good and seems that I hear some extra things than before. Or maybe it's in my mind..  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: 2100 on August 26, 2007, 09:05
Actually of course the caps must match in you system. But at least must hear a difference, my experience is that this difference (be it improvement or sideways change) can be quite easily heard.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: yeppie99 on August 26, 2007, 16:49
hi guys, bought a KT88 tube amp, using it with some old Bose speakers for the time being. Is it normal for all my burned cds and mp3s to sound really lousy now? the sound cracks up, some hissing and everything just sounds so different from the originals.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: maxngck on August 26, 2007, 17:05
hi guys, bought a KT88 tube amp, using it with some old Bose speakers for the time being. Is it normal for all my burned cds and mp3s to sound really lousy now? the sound cracks up, some hissing and everything just sounds so different from the originals.

hi!

wat tube is that? care to show us the photo ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: hifiluv on August 26, 2007, 17:17
before KT88 amp, what amp were u using to drive the Bose speakers and how does it sound?

if its "normal " sound before, then could be KT88 tubes already passed expiry life, tat is one sign to change the power tubes.  if in doubt, good to bring to a qualified person to check it out, incase its not the tubes tat is given a prblm.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: yeppie99 on August 26, 2007, 17:27
bought one of the ebay brands but self collected in HK. this one in particular:

http://cgi.ebay.com/XDSE-KT88-x4-Class-A-Stereo-Integrated-Tube-Amp-svbk_W0QQitemZ120144823535QQihZ002QQcategoryZ3280QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem

i hope they didn't give me expired tubes. but what I actually meant was that original cds sound really good and there is a very noticeable difference when listening to MP3 cds or burned CDs now.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: synthesis on August 26, 2007, 17:36
...i hope they didn't give me expired tubes. but what I actually meant was that original cds sound really good and there is a very noticeable difference when listening to MP3 cds or burned CDs now.


So you have a higher resolution system now? Bless you.  ;)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: yeppie99 on August 26, 2007, 18:01


So you have a higher resolution system now? Bless you.  ;)

fell into the bottomless pit already. bought new interconnects, speaker cables, looking for a better CD player now...
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: squall343 on August 26, 2007, 18:52
Is the mp5 available in Singapore?

where can i get it?
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: hifiluv on August 27, 2007, 07:18
bought one of the ebay brands but self collected in HK. this one in particular:

http://cgi.ebay.com/XDSE-KT88-x4-Class-A-Stereo-Integrated-Tube-Amp-svbk_W0QQitemZ120144823535QQihZ002QQcategoryZ3280QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem

i hope they didn't give me expired tubes. but what I actually meant was that original cds sound really good and there is a very noticeable difference when listening to MP3 cds or burned CDs now.

whew.... now the air is clear..... now wait till u get a more revealing cdp..... lol........
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: synthesis on August 27, 2007, 09:01
whew.... now the air is clear..... now wait till u get a more revealing cdp..... lol........


.. or much more revealing speaker than Bose..  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Smooth on August 27, 2007, 12:24
Side track abit. Can I change the tube el84/6p14 to any el84/6bq5? Just want to know if it can improve the sound.

Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: hifiluv on August 27, 2007, 12:43
http://tdsl.duncanamps.com/show.php?des=el84

fm my understanding, if fm the same family, the overall sound characteristics will be about similiar. but if u are going to tube roll on a MIC amp, keep in mind, there are bottlenecks in the design and standard of components used, so tube change may not dramatically alter the sound.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Smooth on August 27, 2007, 12:53
Thanks.  :)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: synthesis on August 27, 2007, 20:23
So does Auntie Martin or Well Audio Lab carry Electro Harmonix EL84? How much is it? Or other suggestion?
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: kwhv on August 27, 2007, 20:43
So does Auntie Martin or Well Audio Lab carry Electro Harmonix EL84? How much is it? Or other suggestion?

Try JJ or Ei EL84. IMHO, they sound better then the EHs. The JJ has better top-end, sounding more spacious and airy. The Ei sound slightly richer in the mids and fuller bass. Both are carried by Auntie Martin.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: 2100 on August 27, 2007, 20:58
EI nowadays considered NOS liao. Closed shop.   ;D

Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: synthesis on August 27, 2007, 22:21
EI nowadays considered NOS liao. Closed shop.   ;D


Haha.. I'm still rookie in this tube things..  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: kwhv on August 28, 2007, 00:31
http://tdsl.duncanamps.com/show.php?des=el84

fm my understanding, if fm the same family, the overall sound characteristics will be about similiar. but if u are going to tube roll on a MIC amp, keep in mind, there are bottlenecks in the design and standard of components used, so tube change may not dramatically alter the sound.

True. Sonic difference between different tubes may not be obvious because circuit and components in amplifier may veil it.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Smooth on August 28, 2007, 09:06
Can we have another thread on "Cheap tube amp - The next step". Talk of upgrade or modding. Actually looking into upgrading the caps or other possible mod.

Maybe get a DIYer to mod for us.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on September 10, 2007, 16:37
The Usher S520 finally arrived on Sat (thought they we lost in sea  ::)). Manage to test it out with my Onkyo 875 in the hall and finally brought them into the bedroom with the tube amp and Cdp. Sound wise pretty decent, overall pretty satisfied with them for the price tag. 
Dont have much expectations from them maybe i have heard much better bookshelfs before.
 
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on September 10, 2007, 19:24
The Usher S520 finally arrived on Sat (thought they we lost in sea  ::)). Manage to test it out with my Onkyo 875 in the hall and finally brought them into the bedroom with the tube amp and Cdp. Sound wise pretty decent, overall pretty satisfied with them for the price tag. 
Dont have much expectations from them maybe i have heard much better bookshelfs before.
 

Relax bro, Ushers need lots of running in.  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: DanDon on September 10, 2007, 21:05
Initially I complained that my Usher S520 was a bit bright. But now, no more bright liao. Maybe my ears play trick. ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on September 10, 2007, 21:18
Relax bro, Ushers need lots of running in.  ;D

hehe not when i kana poison big time by another book shelf speakers. The Usher would definitely sound better after running in but it has its limit to what i have heard.  :o

Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on September 10, 2007, 21:46
hehe not when i kana poison big time by another book shelf speakers. The Usher would definitely sound better after running in but it has its limit to what i have heard.  :o



Which bookshelf poisoned u dah!!! ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: civicguy on September 10, 2007, 23:38
hehe not when i kana poison big time by another book shelf speakers. The Usher would definitely sound better after running in but it has its limit to what i have heard.  :o



u can always sell me ur ushers ;)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on September 11, 2007, 00:24
Here is the bedroom set up

(http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/6694/bedroomstereorj5.jpg)

Usher S520, MHZS CD 33 (with GE 5670) and Music Angel EL34 (with Tung Sol 6SL7GT)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: ical on September 11, 2007, 00:29
I've that CD on your player. Very nice vocal. :) Btw, nice system too. :)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: zapp on September 11, 2007, 09:30
woah ical also have the 33? lol...i have that too WORTH buying man...sounds soooo good.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: maxngck on September 11, 2007, 10:36
woah ical also have the 33? lol...i have that too WORTH buying man...sounds soooo good.

hi!

how much will that cd player be? where to get it leh?
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on September 11, 2007, 10:55
woah ical also have the 33? lol...i have that too WORTH buying man...sounds soooo good.

I think what ical meant was he has that CD "Ayo" on top of the Cdp.  ;)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: zapp on September 11, 2007, 11:00
I think what ical meant was he has that CD "Ayo" on top of the Cdp.  ;)
LOL - woops - busted  :P
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: ical on September 11, 2007, 15:43
woah ical also have the 33? lol...i have that too WORTH buying man...sounds soooo good.

Bro, I'm talking about the cd on top of 33 lah. :) Presently I'm using this player. ;D ;D
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/cannoncal/_MG_0157.jpg)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: zapp on September 11, 2007, 16:23
wah liao your stuff out of this world one  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on September 11, 2007, 18:22
Bro, I'm talking about the cd on top of 33 lah. :) Presently I'm using this player. ;D ;D
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/cannoncal/_MG_0157.jpg)

 :o :o :o more than 4k  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on September 11, 2007, 19:10
Ical stop showing your poison!  :o

Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on September 11, 2007, 19:12
Ical stop showing your poison!  :o



Wait till you visit his place, KNN u dun want to go home or want to bring everything back home.  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: 2100 on September 11, 2007, 20:43
Wah lao, ical you have high-end CDP already and looking for Vimak DT600?    ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: stanly on September 11, 2007, 20:59
Wah....maybe bro ical will upgrade to Wadia or Gryphon soon..... :o
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: ical on September 11, 2007, 21:47
It always good to aim high. ;D ;D Getting a transport and dac is out for me at the moment as I'm running out of space. So Vimak is out for me :(  , can only drool. Ya, Gryphon and Wadia is damn solid too. Maybe after I upgrade to a house then will go all way out. ;D ;D Hope to fulfill my dream of having a dedicated room under the basement. Can blast my system middle of the nite without disturbing others. ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on September 11, 2007, 21:57
Hope to fulfill my dream of having a dedicated room under the basement. Can blast my system middle of the nite without disturbing others. ;D

I can forsee u be upgrading to Ang Moh Chu soon!!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: stanly on September 11, 2007, 22:01
It always good to aim high. ;D ;D Getting a transport and dac is out for me at the moment as I'm running out of space. So Vimak is out for me :(  , can only drool. Ya, Gryphon and Wadia is damn solid too. Maybe after I upgrade to a house then will go all way out. ;D ;D Hope to fulfill my dream of having a dedicated room under the basement. Can blast my system middle of the nite without disturbing others. ;D

Your current CD player looks solid enough....sigh....now i can only aim for things like opera consonance and rega.....sigh...lol
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on September 11, 2007, 22:04
Your current CD player looks solid enough....sigh....now i can only aim for things like opera consonance and rega.....sigh...lol

relax always hoot within your limits. Consonance, Rega hv gd stuff.  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: stanly on September 11, 2007, 22:08
relax always hoot within your limits. Consonance, Rega hv gd stuff.  ;D

Haha....yeah...their CD players in the S$1000-S$2000 range is always brought up for discussion......they are both famous for producing analoge sounding CD players.... :D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: ical on September 11, 2007, 22:17
I can forsee u be upgrading to Ang Moh Chu soon!!! ;D ;D

Bro, I'm still dreaming leh. ;D

Stanly, presently I'm very happy with my cd player. Enjoying "Joyful" by Ayo now. Btw, Rega Saturn sound really good.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: stanly on September 11, 2007, 22:33
Bro, I'm still dreaming leh. ;D

Stanly, presently I'm very happy with my cd player. Enjoying "Joyful" by Ayo now. Btw, Rega Saturn sound really good.

Haha....expected....I'm only looking at apollo and CD120 linear..... :)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on September 11, 2007, 23:03
Haha....yeah...their CD players in the S$1000-S$2000 range is always brought up for discussion......they are both famous for producing analoge sounding CD players.... :D

Ernest of NDV got new stocks of CDP (Consonance), u may want to check them out.  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: ical on September 12, 2007, 00:23
Haha....expected....I'm only looking at apollo and CD120 linear..... :)

I've audition both. I preferred Rega Apollo. It has a better overall sound, more analog and involving to me. I've also tried comparing Apollo with my previous Roksan Caspian M Series1, Caspian is still more musical and lively with a better detail. But Caspian price ($2600) is much higher than Apollo ($1700) so it does make sense. :)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: stanly on September 12, 2007, 05:49
I've audition both. I preferred Rega Apollo. It has a better overall sound, more analog and involving to me. I've also tried comparing Apollo with my previous Roksan Caspian M Series1, Caspian is still more musical and lively with a better detail. But Caspian price ($2600) is much higher than Apollo ($1700) so it does make sense. :)

I see....now that Apollo's price has went up, maybe i should also compare with Marantz's SA7001KI..... ;)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: ical on September 12, 2007, 14:09
Audition both Opera Consonance and Marantz range, just doesn't sound musical. Somehow the emotion of music is lacking. Maybe it just me. :P
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: stanly on September 12, 2007, 17:53
Audition both Opera Consonance and Marantz range, just doesn't sound musical. Somehow the emotion of music is lacking. Maybe it just me. :P

Haha...i see.. :)

Can't really say much since i didn't audition any 3 yet..... :)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: ical on September 12, 2007, 20:43
It subjective. So best to try them out yourself and see which one suit you better. :) Ok, now back to discussion on tube amp. :)
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on September 12, 2007, 21:09
I think this tread should add "Poison me with an EXPENSIVE CDP"!! ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: ical on September 13, 2007, 00:10
Just got the Hi-Fi News Sept issue. Opera Audio Consonance Reference CD 2.2 Linear and MkII was reviewed very badly. Some of points are quite the same as what I feel during audition.

Quoted from last paragraph of the review:
"So the Linear and MkII bad CD players? There's a case for saying that of the Linear because of it's poor jitter performance (how might it sound with this fixed) but the MkII, via its balanced outputs, has fine measured performance and more conventional sonics. The problem is that, in a competitive market, it doesn't go the extra mile. By the highest standards its musical performance is unexceptional, and for that reason I can't recommend it either".   


Quoted from Verdict:
"These two CD player offer unusual aesthetics and a choice of DAC philosophies but nether delivers standout sonics. The Linear is enticingly euphonic but lacks resolution, while even the technically superior MkII has a musical delivery that will underwhelm audiophiles who expect the best recorded music to reach out and rivat their attention. For that you'll have to look elsewhere".
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Darthfunk on September 13, 2007, 00:20
I think this tread should add "Poison me with an EXPENSIVE CDP"!! ;D

Ya boy! Can stick to the thread with Cheap equipments anot? Its already very poisonous!  :P
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: ical on September 13, 2007, 12:39
Ok , back to topic of nice affordable amp. ;D ;D Bro hifiluv, where're you......?  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on September 13, 2007, 20:24
Hifiluv must be deeply engrossed in his new found toy. Burning those tubes in.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on September 13, 2007, 20:52
Read the preview of this amp, sounds steam. Full review soon dah

(http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/almarro/hero.jpg)

(http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/almarro/back.jpg)

Almarro A205A Specifications:
Input: 100mV 100ohm x 1
Output: 8ohm screw/plug connection x 1
Output tubes: EL84 (6BQ5) pentode mode A1 single-ended
Input tube: ECC83 (12AX7) twin triode
Output transformers: 10w
Output power: 4.8 watts per channel at 1.4V input 500Hz/8ohm/ch
Total gain: 13.7dB (1KHz / 8ohm)
Frequency response: 12 Hz - 70 KHz - 3dB
Distortion: 0.75% @ 0.01 w /10KHz)
Power consumption: 57 watts
AC input power: 117V ± 10V 50/60Hz with captive power cable
Weight: 15.4 lbs
Dimensions: 11.2" (W) x 4.9" (H) x 9" (D)
 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: 2100 on September 13, 2007, 21:42
The A205A is a fav with Zookeepers. Err....Zu speaker owners.   ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on September 13, 2007, 22:05
The A205A is a fav with Zookeepers. Err....Zu speaker owners.   ;D

This one come sure must hv a listen to it.  ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: 2100 on September 13, 2007, 22:13
This one come sure must hv a listen to it.  ;D
I thought stocks came in already what, saw more than 10 boxes. 318 already sold 3 for this shipment.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: domho8 on September 13, 2007, 23:31
I thought stocks came in already what, saw more than 10 boxes. 318 already sold 3 for this shipment.

 :o :o :o hope tomo empress work OT, than I make my way to Aldephi.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Chario on September 14, 2007, 13:41
Halo.... i am a new member, so wish to know wat is the price of this set of system??? Usher S520, MHZS CD 33 (with GE 5670) and Music Angel EL34 (with Tung Sol 6SL7GT)...... since i have not checked the hifi market for quite a long period oledi. 10xx
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Chario on September 14, 2007, 17:11
I got one more question..... that is do u guys ever heard about Alchemist  APD-15A and Chario Academy 1( i think they are last 10 years model oledi izzit)..... wat do u guys think about them??? can Usher 520 and music angel EL34 perform more better sound quality than Alchemist and chario?? Please advice me....thankx
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: ian99 on November 12, 2007, 17:13
Poison spread to Australia...faster than the MIC shipping! I bought the 6P1 MIC mini and found this xtremeplace, got more poison, bought Music Angel EL34 MIC, haven't tried it yet, waiting for 240 to 220 conditioner to be safe. Went back to transistor, sounds like transistor, like everywhere you go. I have cheap source and cheap speakers. With transistor you get stereo, but the valves sing like nothing else ever before. Been bitten bad... ;D Thanks guys.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: hifiluv on November 14, 2007, 17:14
ha ha...welcome to the warm side...will stay for sure.  tube sound...ah...words cannot describe..

want an instant upgrade to basic cdp and speaker?  put in a tube amp... ;D
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: wizardofnoz on May 17, 2010, 20:36
sorry for digging thread.

im torn in between getting a brand new dared mp5

OR

a used Leo Research LR-130 EL84

both prices about the same, with one as brand new the other is used.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: synthesis on May 17, 2010, 21:05
This is really an old thread.

MP5 is solid state amp with pre tube while LR is tube amp.
For comparison, MP5 will give you clean and clear sound while EL84 will give you warmer sound that is nice for vocal/easy listening.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: wizardofnoz on May 17, 2010, 21:37
This is really an old thread.

MP5 is solid state amp with pre tube while LR is tube amp.
For comparison, MP5 will give you clean and clear sound while EL84 will give you warmer sound that is nice for vocal/easy listening.

both sounds important to me. :(
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: synthesis on May 17, 2010, 22:14
both sounds important to me. :(


Get both  ;D

Think you can skip MP5 and get a full tube amp so you don't wonder how tube amp would sound.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: Leebl on May 18, 2010, 14:54
any bros can advise wat would be a good budget tube amp to start with ? will be using it to drive my KEF IQ90s (91db). Budget say less than $800 ? Tx.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: t30 on September 01, 2015, 21:34
Hi, I need some advice whether can this tube amp drive and match with usher 520?

http://www.china-hifi-audio.com/en/music-angel-tube-amp-c-15/music-angel-mengyue-minil1-6p1-push-pull-integrated-amplifier-p-149

Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: DIYer Straits on September 04, 2015, 01:50
Wow, a necro post.

Anyway to answer your questions, yes, the amp can drive but match? It depends on your ears, your choice of music and how loud you play.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: t30 on September 04, 2015, 07:18
Thanks for your reply. I playing more to vocal/light listening music. I will place order and get myself a try soon. Thanks again.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: synthesis on September 04, 2015, 08:36
Yes it can. I used to have one to drive my floorstander.
Title: Re: Poison me with a cheap tube amp
Post by: t30 on September 04, 2015, 15:00
Noted with thanks.