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Title: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on March 21, 2007, 14:21
Ha ha... after reading Bolts' thread on anticable, itchy leh... went down to LHS and was introduced to this 10AWG cable, design for audio use n understand tis is a relatively new product frm Belden.

http://www.belden.com/pdfs/prodbull/NP232.pdf

setup with MP5 and Marantz cdp, nice match as cable adds more bounce to the sweet but laid back output from Marantz. being 10AWG, need to get banana plugs to take in the cable thickness.

 :)

Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: VFMs on March 21, 2007, 14:33
hi hifiluv, whats the price range like? 16, 14 or 12 AWG available as well?
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on March 21, 2007, 15:47
geez...when i saw the tok gong 10AWG, i just buy and didnt ask for the smaller guage ones, the 1313A  is $8/mtr, for the rest shd be px lower, but u need to call LHS.  :)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: zapp on March 21, 2007, 16:04
Ha ha... after reading Bolts' thread on anticable, itchy leh... went down to LHS and was introduced to this 10AWG cable, design for audio use n understand tis is a relatively new product frm Belden.

http://www.belden.com/pdfs/prodbull/NP232.pdf

setup with MP5 and Marantz cdp, nice match as cable adds more bounce to the sweet but laid back output from Marantz. being 10AWG, need to get banana plugs to take in the cable thickness.

 :)


compared with the biwire beldens??
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on March 21, 2007, 23:00
compared with the biwire beldens??

(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/wooso/belden1313A.jpg)

i can only compare with Canare 4S11 biwire, the Canare is warm but a little fuzzy but tis baby is a good balance between warm and punchy with more details.  i hv only used it for an hr n i m already liking it... ;D

the Canare is 14AWG (1.63mm dia) while tis cable being 10AWG (2.59mm) is almost 1.5x the diameter.

what was interesting is tat when set up with 6L6 tube amp n Energy C3, with the Canare 4S11, there was a constant hissing sound fm the right channel, but when swap tis cable, the sound was gone.  also with 6p1, when setup in living room, got a more decent soundstage, played Enya, she seems to move forward a few step, so i retract the comment tat the 6p1 is only good for small room; just change the speaker cable,  ;D

pair up with 6L6, MP5 and mini 6p1, all reveal more details and punch, played acoustic guitar tracks and i could almost feel the plucking of each string, very refreshing.  IMHO, tis is a quite good match for tube amps and its not ex, so can buy a run and play with it.  :)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: 2100 on March 22, 2007, 14:42
Bro, maybe you could actually try the 16AWG 1307A version for your application (tubes)....even if yours is not SE. Might be pleasantly surprised. And if you can, use it bare (but carefully tinned).

I am actually ditching my kilobuck super thick cable soon for a 20AWG Ortofon which is less than 100 bucks. 

Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: boring on March 22, 2007, 21:02
How much is the 1313a per/m?
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: Smooth on March 22, 2007, 21:19
Hi boring,
as above thread.....


geez...when i saw the tok gong 10AWG, i just buy and didnt ask for the smaller guage ones, the 1313A  is $8/mtr, for the rest shd be px lower, but u need to call LHS. 
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: Smooth on March 22, 2007, 21:25
Hifiluv, u damn good one. Just after I get my anti cables, you introduce new cable. Never ending ventures.

BTW, do you bi wire your speakers?
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: boring on March 23, 2007, 01:04
Sorry didn't read thoroughly. I might use this for car since it's quite affordable. try at home 1st. hehe
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on March 23, 2007, 07:18
Bro, maybe you could actually try the 16AWG 1307A version for your application (tubes)....even if yours is not SE. Might be pleasantly surprised. And if you can, use it bare (but carefully tinned).

I am actually ditching my kilobuck super thick cable soon for a 20AWG Ortofon which is less than 100 bucks. 

Thank you ah....i feel another itch coming my way....... ;D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on March 23, 2007, 07:26
Hifiluv, u damn good one. Just after I get my anti cables, you introduce new cable. Never ending ventures.

BTW, do you bi wire your speakers?

yes, the KEF is biwired using Canare 4S11, as front for HT, which i find its quite good becos of the wide dispersion feature of the UniQ design and the 4S11 balance with warmness. i used belden for my centre as it gives more crisp sound for vocal.

the 1313A is used as single cable for Energy and for playing with the various tube amps. interestingly, 1313A not only output more details but also open up the soundstage for the Energy C3 which on its own cast a smaller dispersion compared with the KEF :)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: 2100 on March 23, 2007, 08:16
Thank you ah....i feel another itch coming my way....... ;D
No worries, you are welcome!  ;D   Its cheap anyway, like i said try it bare and RAW!
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on March 23, 2007, 10:11
i use banana plugs becos -

1. always swaping cables fm one amp to another, if screw n unscrew bare wires, hands very sore leh...he he......
2. it may be in the mind, but i feel the sound is better,  :P

btw where to buy the Ortofon ah??? getting more itchy leidi.... ;D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on March 23, 2007, 10:17
Sorry didn't read thoroughly. I might use this for car since it's quite affordable. try at home 1st. hehe

if ur car using default wires, galentee this one sure improve sound one.  i changed the internal wires of my minicompo speakers to belden wires, the sound jump one notch,  ;D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: boring on March 23, 2007, 11:46
You can get Ortofon from audionote.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: Smooth on March 23, 2007, 14:22
boring, my car ice use 100% belden speaker cable. 8xxx forget the no. Sound good to me.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: NCMK on March 23, 2007, 16:54
Today i bought the 1313a from LHS, i was charged $6/m.  Bro hifiluv, i think you got overcharged.  Heh  ;D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: 2100 on March 23, 2007, 19:34
You can get Ortofon from audionote.
Need help from your fav dealer, buying direct is expensive.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: maxngck on March 23, 2007, 20:51
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/wooso/belden1313A.jpg)

i can only compare with Canare 4S11 biwire, the Canare is warm but a little fuzzy but tis baby is a good balance between warm and punchy with more details.  i hv only used it for an hr n i m already liking it... ;D

the Canare is 14AWG (1.63mm dia) while tis cable being 10AWG (2.59mm) is almost 1.5x the diameter.

what was interesting is tat when set up with 6L6 tube amp n Energy C3, with the Canare 4S11, there was a constant hissing sound fm the right channel, but when swap tis cable, the sound was gone.  also with 6p1, when setup in living room, got a more decent soundstage, played Enya, she seems to move forward a few step, so i retract the comment tat the 6p1 is only good for small room; just change the speaker cable,  ;D

pair up with 6L6, MP5 and mini 6p1, all reveal more details and punch, played acoustic guitar tracks and i could almost feel the plucking of each string, very refreshing.  IMHO, tis is a quite good match for tube amps and its not ex, so can buy a run and play with it.  :)

hi!

how much is the plug shown in the pic? is that call banana plug? can get in LHS? thks!
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: koma on March 24, 2007, 02:17
any comments or rebviews on ht usage for tis cable compared to the 1810a?
im was tinkin of gettin 1810a when i saw ur review. will be goin dwn
lhs probably next week to get either cable. btw any other belden cable
recommended for ht use speakers using single wire
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on March 26, 2007, 07:28
hi!

how much is the plug shown in the pic? is that call banana plug? can get in LHS? thks!

hi, plugs bought from Sim Lim Twr basement, cheap cheap only, $2.50/4pcs, but found out not suitable for 10AWG wire, too thick for cavity provided, also only got 1 screw so cannot hold wire properly. better to get the other one in the pic, $7.50/4pcs, can take in 10AWG size and also 2 screws to hold the cable, available at basement shops at Sim Lim Twr.  :)

(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/wooso/25-03-07_1547.jpg)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: boring on March 26, 2007, 10:53
boring, my car ice use 100% belden speaker cable. 8xxx forget the no. Sound good to me.

I'm also using 8471 16awg now. Because they're tinned coated, so there's abit of "skin" effect. Want to try pure copper. 1313A is abit think but LHS only has this at the monent. Smaller guage  13XX series not in yet
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on March 28, 2007, 07:49
after a week of playing with the cable, when hook up to KEF, somehow the sound becomes less dynamic (the bounce of string is gone), but after i reconnect back to the 4S11, the sound "bounced" back.  can't really explain it, but may be a case of matching.  now trying out the 1313A as hookup for HT front (not KEF), the sound is much better than the Belden 8471 16 AWG which i was using, improve in clarity, and overall presentation  :)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on March 30, 2007, 12:33
also tried the 1313A to hook up to the centre speaker, sound is much clearer and sharper but somehow lost the warm and naturalness, swap back to Belden 8473 14AWG.  so the 1313A remains just as hookup for the fronts, which i also used to listen to stereo via coaxial conn to cdp, sound is very much improved over the Canare 4S11 or the 8471 16AWG.  :)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: boring on April 02, 2007, 22:52
Maybe you should try the smaller guage 1307A or 1309A for the KEF and centre speakers. I'm using this at home now as well. I was using the 4S11 and these brightens things up a little. When I have some time to I'll try the anti-cables... abit of work stripping them. Using them as jumper cables with the 1313A now. Running MP7 with S520 now...

I might use the 1309A (14awg) for my car mid-bass and 1307A (16awg) for my tweeters. This cable is quite affordable and I DIY... not suitable also not so painful
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: tinytok on April 04, 2007, 23:02
the 7.5/4pcs not good, will corode and join together with speaker post over years then if you are not careful the joints will break away.

hi, plugs bought from Sim Lim Twr basement, cheap cheap only, $2.50/4pcs, but found out not suitable for 10AWG wire, too thick for cavity provided, also only got 1 screw so cannot hold wire properly. better to get the other one in the pic, $7.50/4pcs, can take in 10AWG size and also 2 screws to hold the cable, available at basement shops at Sim Lim Twr.  :)

(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/wooso/25-03-07_1547.jpg)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on April 05, 2007, 07:11
yes, i too hv broke a few, its seems the neck area is quite weak.  what would u recommend then as better plugs. Tks  :)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: IwishIwasToneDeaf on April 05, 2007, 10:44
Monoprice does have some very solid looking screw on banana plugs at USD$1.99/pair.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on April 05, 2007, 10:57
Monoprice does have some very solid looking screw on banana plugs at USD$1.99/pair.

Hi,

u refering to this -

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=104&cp_id=10401&cs_id=1040115&p_id=2943&seq=1&format=2&style=

bought similiar type fm SL Twr basement,
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/wooso/chromebana.jpg)

only problem with this type is tat the cable end is still exposed and will hv oxidation, unless u shrink wrap over it.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: zapp on April 05, 2007, 11:21
i never have any idea how to fit the wires properly over this type of banana...anyone can share?
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on April 05, 2007, 12:51
i never have any idea how to fit the wires properly over this type of banana...anyone can share?

if u go to the mono price website for this item, u will see some reviews on how the plugs are used.  since wires are "exposed" need to be careful that the ends do not stick out too much to touch the other cable, else will hv shorting.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: IwishIwasToneDeaf on April 05, 2007, 22:20
Oh I didn't notice all the flaws but just thought it looked solid. My apologies guys.

But shrink wrapping it would seem feasible.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on April 07, 2007, 22:38
btw, if its well done, this will be how it looks like
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/wooso/br_s300x2.jpg)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: maxngck on April 09, 2007, 20:42
Hi,

u refering to this -

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=104&cp_id=10401&cs_id=1040115&p_id=2943&seq=1&format=2&style=

bought similiar type fm SL Twr basement,
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/wooso/chromebana.jpg)

only problem with this type is tat the cable end is still exposed and will hv oxidation, unless u shrink wrap over it.


hi!

how much did u buy these banana plugs? i saw it at those DIY shops selling for $16/ 4pcs pack. i think they are over price,rite? which shop in SLT u went?
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on April 10, 2007, 07:32
can't remember the shop name, but it's located in the basement, near the escalator, the shop has many plastic containers with all types of plugs and connectors. if not mistaken its $12/4pcs, being "chrome", other standard ones are mostly $7.50/4pcs, used to buy fm Sim Lim Sq which charges $10/4pcs at the time i bought them, but now only go to Sim Lim Twr for plugs.  

after 3 wks of using the 1313A cable, i think it has finally break in..
just last nite, i was playing an instrumental CD with acoustic guitar music, the sound took a jump in clarity, presentation and separation. with closed eyes, could almost "see" the musicians. to make sure i was not imagining it, i ask my 10yr son into my room and ask him to listen in and he said he heard 3 distinct guitars playing (normally i myself just hear 2).... ha ha.....

i would highly recommend tis cable to those who wants a "new" sound.  its not too ex but got to make sure the terminal points can in take 10AWG thickness.

btw, just won tis at ebay, Jenny Chan's site, now to make payment and wait for delivery and see once again if its worth the trouble..he he..

(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/wooso/3db8_1_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on April 17, 2007, 22:42
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/wooso/3db8_1_b.jpg)

Jenny had just confm shipout for thee cable, giving the usual 6-9 weeks surface mail delivery, but hope to get it earlier, like the mini amp previously which came to my door in just over 4 wks. upon receipt will do a A/B with the 1313A.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: DJQ on April 20, 2007, 15:35
yo hifiluv,

which belden series u recommend for the center spks???
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on April 21, 2007, 09:27
yo hifiluv,

which belden series u recommend for the center spks???

won't call it a recommendation, but currently i m using Belden 8473 14 AWG which i find it gives more oomph than when i hook with 17AWG Belden 8471, so i left it as it is.  then i tried the 1313A as centre wire and found sound "too clear" and not natural, at least to my ears, so i switch back to the 8473, which i find it just nice balance between clarity and yet warm sound for vocals.   :)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: boring on April 22, 2007, 01:13
Jenny had just confm shipout for thee cable, giving the usual 6-9 weeks surface mail delivery, but hope to get it earlier, like the mini amp previously which came to my door in just over 4 wks. upon receipt will do a A/B with the 1313A.

My monster cables just arrived last night... Also from ebay

(http://i1.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/92/45/3c07_2.JPG)

Huge (19mm thick) and heavy... it's actually 6 individual wires per termination point.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on April 22, 2007, 14:10
Let us know it fare. Tks  :)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: boring on April 23, 2007, 10:26
Here's some initial thought of the cables.

1. Sibilance is reduced by quite some margin compared beldens and canares
2. Bass is more controlled, thus you tend to feel that there's more details
3. The build quality is very good. The spades and bananas are actually screwed on and they weigh something like 2kg!
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: SiriuslyCold on April 23, 2007, 11:09
The spades and bananas are actually screwed on and they weigh something like 2kg!

wow.. this weighs more than my amp ;D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on April 23, 2007, 11:11
Here's some initial thought of the cables.

1. Sibilance is reduced by quite some margin compared beldens and canares
2. Bass is more controlled, thus you tend to feel that there's more details
3. The build quality is very good. The spades and bananas are actually screwed on and they weigh something like 2kg!

let it run in and then c how... it shd sound better, like the 1313A breaks in after about 3 weeks of daily use. :)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: gfchoa on April 23, 2007, 15:17
Hi,

Where is LHS located ?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: boring on April 23, 2007, 15:31
Sim Lim Tower 2nd floor. It's just next to New Century which sells alot of car audio stuff. You can see alot of "old man" sitting outside LHS making cables...
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: gfchoa on April 23, 2007, 15:40
Thanks.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: jongtwee on April 23, 2007, 16:15
My monster cables just arrived last night... Also from ebay

(http://i1.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/92/45/3c07_2.JPG)

Huge (19mm thick) and heavy... it's actually 6 individual wires per termination point.

Hi,  May I know the exact site of ebay.  Btw, may I know how much you paid for these cables?
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: SiriuslyCold on April 23, 2007, 19:12
http://www.ebay.com ?
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on April 24, 2007, 07:21
Hi,  May I know the exact site of ebay.  Btw, may I know how much you paid for these cables?

can bid at Jenny's store.  She ships fm Hong Kong.

http://cgi.ebay.com/23mm-YYW-XG-23-Audiophile-Speaker-Cables-Pair-2-5m-NR_W0QQitemZ130102968979QQihZ003QQcategoryZ116853QQcmdZViewItem

 :)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on May 21, 2007, 21:24
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/wooso/spkwire.jpg)

wah sei, zhun zhun... wk 5, postman knocked on my door to hand deliver me the spker cable, it really look as good as the pic, as far as my eyes can see, 3 layers of insulation over a 10 or 11AWG wire, probably stranded, 2 layers of heat shrink tubings, with banana plugs which require some strength to push into the speaker terminals on both ends, so its not meant for me to play play with...

hookup to mini tube, first impression sound is clean and clear but dynamics cannot be compared to the Belden 1313A, again i say tis with reservation as the cable is still raw... will see how it performs after a couple of weeks....

$55 to bring it, its ok for tis kind of $.... ;D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: apteryx on May 23, 2007, 10:16
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/wooso/Charlie Bravo-SP2004_resize.jpg)

wah sei, zhun zhun... wk 5, postman knocked on my door to hand deliver me the spker cable, it really look as good as the pic, as far as my eyes can see, 3 layers of insulation over a 10 or 11AWG wire, probably stranded, 2 layers of heat shrink tubings, with banana plugs which require some strength to push into the speaker terminals on both ends, so its not meant for me to play play with...

hookup to mini tube, first impression sound is clean and clear but dynamics cannot be compared to the Belden 1313A, again i say tis with reservation as the cable is still raw... will see how it performs after a couple of weeks....

$55 to bring it, its ok for tis kind of $.... ;D

Just curious, how much is the shipping costs? the site stated GBP27, how do you get it for $55?  ??? ???
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on May 23, 2007, 10:23
Just curious, how much is the shipping costs? the site stated GBP27, how do you get it for $55?  ??? ???

when i bid for tis wire, ship cost is 10GBP + ins 2 GBP, bid won at 2.20 GBP, total 14.20 GBP, inc $8 bank charge + $3.10 registered post to send draft over =  $53.58  :)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: Darthfunk on May 23, 2007, 10:31
when i bid for tis wire, ship cost is 10GBP + ins 2 GBP, bid won at 2.20 GBP, total 14.20 GBP, inc $8 bank charge + $3.10 registered post to send draft over =  $53.58  :)

bro why dont you set up a paypal account save u the bank charge and registered post.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: zapp on May 23, 2007, 10:39
true and it links to your CC acct direct can accumulate points :p
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: Darthfunk on May 23, 2007, 10:57
Actually make me wanna get this cables too instead of going down to LHS to custom make a set.  ;D

Hmm then again i will still need to go down to make the interconnects  :P
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: apteryx on May 23, 2007, 15:00
when i bid for tis wire, ship cost is 10GBP + ins 2 GBP, bid won at 2.20 GBP, total 14.20 GBP, inc $8 bank charge + $3.10 registered post to send draft over =  $53.58  :)

Oic , wow they've increased their shipping cost by double  :P. must be a lot of people getting it...
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on May 24, 2007, 07:18
Hi

just went to Jenny Chan's ebay store, the ship cost is still 10GBP leh, ins is 2GBP but they don't mentioned it. can try n bid, still got 2+ days.  :)

http://cgi.ebay.com/Pure-6N-OFC-copp-Speaker-Cables-Pair-2-22m-NR_W0QQitemZ130117254892QQihZ003QQcategoryZ116853QQcmdZViewItem

Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on May 26, 2007, 20:23
ok, almost a week into using the ebay cable, confm i like the 1313A better, both give strong clear sound, but somehow the 1313A is more refined, separation is better.  so one up to Belden. 

the upside of the ebay cable is tat it is very neat, heat shrink cover all the way to the tip of the banana plugs, so you don't to be worried about oxidation of the wire.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: tinytok on May 31, 2007, 21:26
Got my 1313A yesterday. had a hard time terminating it with bananas.

First look, it is detail, airy but the high seems dry......bass is too laid back.
Left it on to burn for 14 hours at about 8am position.
After all these hours, i say liao liao, i do not like this cable.
Then proceed to swap back my qed silvery annivesary with the voodoo caps.

Afternoon, i hookup the 1313A to my onkyo with roger speakers and blast it loud at some movies.
Then i play a siam culture show cd and suddenly, i do hear a different note.
Telling myself maybe the cables suits onkyo better.

Finally, i gave in and decided to hook 1313A back to Arai 6p1 with diamond 8.4 for a second try.
And the next moment i put in Jin pian Zhi 2, turn the volume to 11 o'clock and it was alive with strong bass.
very very details with punchy bass. Is it burn in yet?

No, not so fast. I hear that at many times the control of vocal is very undecide and sometimes feel like vocal comes on all of suddenly.

Will be updating after....give it a month?




Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: jim on May 31, 2007, 21:50
Hi all,

Anyone know the selling price for Canare 4S11?

Thanks in advance..
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: peterblack on May 31, 2007, 22:18
i jus bought it last fri...$5 per meter
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: jim on May 31, 2007, 23:14
i jus bought it last fri...$5 per meter

Thanks for the reply bro. ;)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on June 06, 2007, 07:23
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/wooso/3db8_1_b.jpg)

i hv just passed 3 wks into using tis no name cable, i was playing the Accoustic guitar CD when i dropped my book i was reading, the run in came through, what i heard was smooth, clear sound, with closed eyes, its as though the musicans were standing in front of you, you can feel their fingers sliding through the frets of the guitar,  ;D

its still not as punchy as the 1313A but smoother, more dynamic and focus compared to the Canare 4S11 (sweet but a little fuzzy), so tis is an inbetween, really enjoyable after running in and a good match for MIC mini tube.  :)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: tinytok on June 06, 2007, 23:03
heng ah this one can't poison me...i need 3m pair not below that. ;D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: maxngck on June 07, 2007, 07:08
hi!

so mean that 1313A is still better rite? thinking of getting this cable for my usher s520. mayb can try bi-wire it ;D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on June 07, 2007, 07:13
my current cables -

1313A - dynamic, focus, clarity (but sacrifice a little on sweetness)
no name cable - sweeter than 1313A but lose a little for every else compared to 1313A
Canare 4S11 - sweeter still but lose no name cable in the other areas

yes so my personal perference is still 1313A.  :)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: maxngck on June 07, 2007, 07:17
hi!

dunno how this 1313A compare to my current QED silver anniversary XT? is 1313A flexible?
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on June 07, 2007, 07:20
hi!

dunno how this 1313A compare to my current QED silver anniversary XT? is 1313A flexible?

1313A, being a thick cable, its not so flexible. u need cable to twist and turn? if tis is the case the 1313A may hv a little problem.  can go down to LHS to chk it out before buying.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: maxngck on June 07, 2007, 07:23
hi!

need to insert thru an opening from my console back. if too thick and hard, scare it cant do the trick
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on June 07, 2007, 07:29
hi!

need to insert thru an opening from my console back. if too thick and hard, scare it cant do the trick

oic, if not mistaken, the outer diameter is 11mm, hope tis will help as a reference.  :)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: maxngck on June 07, 2007, 07:31
oic, if not mistaken, the outer diameter is 11mm, hope tis will help as a reference.  :)

hi!

wa kao! so thick ah! if wan to bi-wire, dunno can do anot ;D will go LHS when free.

thks!
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: adamsandler on June 26, 2007, 23:08
decided to try this 1313A cable after reading the posts.  Sounds good and very detailed.  Even better than my other hi-end cables. :o
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on June 26, 2007, 23:51
glad u like it.  it will even do better after breakin, mine took about 2 weeks of nite playing, the dynamics, clarity and separation takes another step up, wu lah lah....words just cannot describe .. ;D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: maxngck on June 27, 2007, 07:13
decided to try this 1313A cable after reading the posts.  Sounds good and very detailed.  Even better than my other hi-end cables. :o

hi!

u ppl make me cannot decide which cable to buy liao ;D. actually thinking of getting QED Silver anniversary bi-wire for my usher. now damn itchy on this 1313A. duno if i bi-wire this 1313A will b good anot leh ???
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on June 27, 2007, 07:46
on going forum about biwring ursher at echoloft, hope it will throw some light.

http://www.echoloft.com/cgi-bin/YaBB/YaBB.cgi?board=tell&action=display&num=1182657059

the 1313A is designed to be used as single core, u may want to call Robert, LHS for clarification whether good to use as biwire.

 :)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: TubeBoy on June 27, 2007, 14:04
hi!

u ppl make me cannot decide which cable to buy liao ;D. actually thinking of getting QED Silver anniversary bi-wire for my usher. now damn itchy on this 1313A. duno if i bi-wire this 1313A will b good anot leh ???


I just tried the 1313 cable after Patrick from LHS recommended them to me.  My opinion is the QED cable will not offer that much of a performance difference against the belden 1313A.  Since its relatively cheap, why not give the belden 1313 cable a shot?  You can do a double run for bi-wire.  I used XLO Reference & Signature, Cardas Golden Reference & Cross, VDH scs series, Synergistic Research, Straightwire and nordost (of course 1313A cannot beat the Valhalla!).  For the money, the 1313A is hard to beat.  The other DIY giant killer speaker cable is the Mogami 2804, which I am trying to get after I missed out on a previous MO.

I do hear improvement in detail, dynamics and more of the recording space "air" when I first hook up the 1313A.  This cable is highly resolving but still it depends on your system and speakers.  You need to find a cable which suits your listening needs and every cable introduced will definitely result in a change.  It all depends on whether you like the change or not.  I also like to run my cables bare as that provides greater resolution. 8)

   
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: weibchen on June 27, 2007, 17:00
Have you tried the Klotz on comparison?
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: TubeBoy on June 27, 2007, 17:07
I have not tried the Klotz.  Any feedback on it based on your experience? 
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: weibchen on June 27, 2007, 20:42
not yet, have to wait for bro Hifiluv, think he has ventured quite a bit.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on June 27, 2007, 20:49
Klotz speaker cable?  no, i hv not use them, anyone can give us a review.

so far only play with Canare 4S11, Belden 8473, QED XT350, n now Belden 1313A n Mic cable.  strangely i prefer the MIC cable at tis moment, the sound is a nice balance between the 1313A n 4S11.   :)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: weibchen on June 29, 2007, 01:26
ok didn't want to start a thread again so i'll ask the question here.
How does Oxidation affects sound? More resistance for electricity?
looking at Nordost 99.999% OFC
Also from what i gathered is theres Pure silver, Silver coated Copper and Copper.
So what does each material good for?
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: zapp on June 29, 2007, 09:12
Just got my Belden 1313A yesterday no time to try yet...got a pair of 89207 I/Cs too with Neutrik RCAs
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hardadi on June 30, 2007, 10:18
Klotz speaker cable?  no, i hv not use them, anyone can give us a review.

so far only play with Canare 4S11, Belden 8473, QED XT350, n now Belden 1313A n Mic cable.  strangely i prefer the MIC cable at tis moment, the sound is a nice balance between the 1313A n 4S11.   :)

What MIC cable you hv used ? available at LHS?
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on June 30, 2007, 10:24
Hi

welcome to Xplace,  :)

if u see page 3 of this thread, i bought the MIC cable from Jenny Chan's online store.  tho no brand, its surprisingly good for the $. 

(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/wooso/spkwire.jpg)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: domho8 on July 02, 2007, 19:42
Went LHS today, decided to try out 1313A. Terminated with banana plugs.

Connected to my spk, using jumper cable.

Played Norah Jones "Lone Star".

I was like WTF!!!!  :o :o  Improvement in Soundstage, bass seems more punchy, details were there. I couldnt believe it.
Ok let me play a few Cai Qin tracks!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: maxngck on July 02, 2007, 20:53
Went LHS today, decided to try out 1313A. Terminated with banana plugs.

Connected to my spk, using jumper cable.

Played Norah Jones "Lone Star".

I was like WTF!!!!  :o :o  Improvement in Soundstage, bass seems more punchy, details were there. I couldnt believe it.
Ok let me play a few Cai Qin tracks!!!!!!!!

hi bro,

how the sound on cai qin's tracks? dun make me lao nua leh  ;D

btw, u mention u connect using jumper cable? what do u mean? u used 1313A as jumper cable or as ur main spk cable har ???
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: domho8 on July 02, 2007, 21:13
hi bro,

how the sound on cai qin's tracks? dun make me lao nua leh  ;D

btw, u mention u connect using jumper cable? what do u mean? u used 1313A as jumper cable or as ur main spk cable har ???

Wah KNN, Cai Qin's voice is smooth, gd highs, background violin, can hear more depth.  ;D

1313A is main cable single run, jumper was given by Robert (LHS), he just cut fr some cable and gave me!!
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: maxngck on July 02, 2007, 21:25
Wah KNN, Cai Qin's voice is smooth, gd highs, background violin, can hear more depth.  ;D

1313A is main cable single run, jumper was given by Robert (LHS), he just cut fr some cable and gave me!!


hi bro,

what is ur system config like? what speakers u using har? u bought it at $8/m or cheaper? do u know what brand is the jumper cable he gave u? mayb can buy some from him. or buy the 1313A and ask for free oso ;D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: adamsandler on July 02, 2007, 22:51
Just wait till you run-in your 1313A cables......you will have private concert with Norah Jones and Cai Qin singing naked before u!  I find this cable very open and smooth sounding with excellent soundstage.  $6 per metre nia.......for this kind of performance  :o :o :o

Mai tu liao....
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: tinytok on July 02, 2007, 22:53
as one forummer put it...its airy..air surrounding the studio....

This one no regret!

I paid robert one dollar less per metre....unintentionally of cos.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: zapp on July 02, 2007, 23:07
I just plugged in my 1313s...somehow abit hollow then my Canare 4S11s :p

Must wait till cable run in huh...
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: tinytok on July 02, 2007, 23:25
In my case yes. Run in......but now you should hear that high frequency is very accurate in its positioning.

I just plugged in my 1313s...somehow abit hollow then my Canare 4S11s :p

Must wait till cable run in huh...
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: maxngck on July 03, 2007, 07:08
as one forummer put it...its airy..air surrounding the studio....

This one no regret!

I paid robert one dollar less per metre....unintentionally of cos.

hi!

hahaa ;D can pay less unintentionally 1 har ;D any1 use this 1313A as bi-wire? must really try out the single run 1st to c my ears will drop anot  ;D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: wiseguy on July 03, 2007, 07:09
high frequency is very accurate in its positioning.

would you care to elaborate what you mean by this ;D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: tinytok on July 03, 2007, 07:53
I mean distinct positioning of those high frequency acoustic instruments.

And before this cable, the system might present to you only 3 guitars and now suddenly more appearing as in the case of Mr Poision.

Try it...no regrets. Better than my QED Silver Anniversary(any1 tell me how much this retails at?)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: domho8 on July 03, 2007, 14:39
Last night listen until 2am+!!!!

U can hear Cai Qin straining her throat with lots of emotions.

Played some Jazz pcs, details were more precise, u can hear trumpet, than saxophone, drums.!!!!  ;D

Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: Darthfunk on July 03, 2007, 15:11
Last night listen until 2am+!!!!

U can hear Cai Qin straining her throat with lots of emotions.

Played some Jazz pcs, details were more precise, u can hear trumpet, than saxophone, drums.!!!!  ;D



bro you are using the belden cables with what set up?
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: eggz on July 03, 2007, 15:37
I just plugged in my 1313s...somehow abit hollow then my Canare 4S11s :p

Must wait till cable run in huh...

Hmm, I also found this. Was using 4S11 bi-wire, recently changed to 1313s, initially found it a bit harsher and edgier, but after run-in, it's very nice, full of detail and sound stage is great.

I'm using NHT Evo T5s, using the 1313s for the M5 monitors and the 4S11s for the B5 bass units.

Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: domho8 on July 03, 2007, 16:44
IMHO, this is a very well recorded CD, Male vocalist, with the belden cables running in, this chap voice fills up the whole place. Thick smooth voice.

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l261/REXDJ/BlackSinger.jpg)
 ;D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: maxngck on July 03, 2007, 20:59
I mean distinct positioning of those high frequency acoustic instruments.

And before this cable, the system might present to you only 3 guitars and now suddenly more appearing as in the case of Mr Poision.

Try it...no regrets. Better than my QED Silver Anniversary(any1 tell me how much this retails at?)


hi!

I am currently using QED SA XT which is selling at $10/m. hmm.... $6 for 1313A think really worth it leh. just wonder any bro here hv tried bi-wire it?
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: Darthfunk on July 03, 2007, 21:46
Sorry if iam going off topic but am i able to connect from my tube amp which has 2 runs into my bi-wired speakers?
Example Canare 4S11, 2 runs from tube amp to 4 runs into speakers? Thanks
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: domho8 on July 03, 2007, 22:18
Sorry if iam going off topic but am i able to connect from my tube amp which has 2 runs into my bi-wired speakers?
Example Canare 4S11, 2 runs from tube amp to 4 runs into speakers? Thanks

Darthfunk something like that

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l261/REXDJ/UltralinkBirwired.jpg)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: zapp on July 03, 2007, 23:12
for 1313 i think a bit siong to squeeze in some much wire into ONE banana...unless u really have two amps to do a biamp
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: maxngck on July 04, 2007, 06:59
Darthfunk something like that

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l261/REXDJ/UltralinkBirwired.jpg)

hi!

this is not 1313A, rite?
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: Darthfunk on July 04, 2007, 08:18
Hey bro dom thats right. Btw how would u know which wire is for HF and LF when you bi-wire?

My hall set up is bi-amp (Yammy 2700 bi-amp to 603) so its very straight forward and i was thinking of putting the MA EL34 in the hall for pure stereo but can only bi-wire since the tube has only 2 outputs.

Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: tinytok on July 08, 2007, 16:19
Went to LHS again to get 1307A but robert says he only have 1309A and no 1307A.
Paid for it.

First try, high frequency is flat and not big sounding.
second try, high frequency open up but all things sound messy.
third try, still the same like 2nd try.

Again, i do not know how long it will burn in or it will never burn in  ;D as i've ditch it to my HT setup which nowadays utilization rate at only 10% per month, just to play back barney dvd for my daughters !  :'(
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on July 09, 2007, 07:52
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/wooso/05-07-07_2342.jpg)

for those who wants to hv 2 runs of 1313A to biwire, it may be difficult to connect 2 sets of 10AWG cable, so what i did was - 1 set screwed direct to terminals and the the set by banana plugs. 

quite good result; its like hving a speaker overhaul.   ;)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: weibchen on July 09, 2007, 17:35
any gains from bi wiring?
how has it affect the SQ?
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on July 09, 2007, 17:39
for speakers with 4 (biwireable) terminals, somehow biwiring gives more live, dynamics, i tried to use the 1313A (cut short strips) as jumpers and then do single cable input but the sound cannot match actual biwring.

again maybe in the mind.  ;)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: maxngck on July 09, 2007, 20:47
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/wooso/05-07-07_2342.jpg)

for those who wants to hv 2 runs of 1313A to biwire, it may be difficult to connect 2 sets of 10AWG cable, so what i did was - 1 set screwed direct to terminals and the the set by banana plugs. 

quite good result; its like hving a speaker overhaul.   ;)

hi!

if i use this type of banana plug, do u think it can fit into it? the hole for cable seem to be very big leh. if follow ur way, the banana plug cant insert fully, rite?

(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/wooso/chromebana.jpg)

very tempted to try this cable. just change the original jumper of my ursher to QED SA XT and last saturday went ahfatt audio to get the neotech single core 20AWG to try it out as jumper. i triple run the cable. wow! it seem to be very clear. could hear more lips smacking ;D and i feel bigger sound stage. then i put on the yellow capacitor "tweak", hmm...... the sound seem to be tame down liao. then i switch it back to SA XT jumper. the sound seem to be better. dunno the tweak will affec 1313A anot? let me run in awhile more on the XT jumper to see got anymore difference anot?
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: kzone on July 09, 2007, 20:54
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/wooso/05-07-07_2342.jpg)

for those who wants to hv 2 runs of 1313A to biwire, it may be difficult to connect 2 sets of 10AWG cable, so what i did was - 1 set screwed direct to terminals and the the set by banana plugs. 

quite good result; its like hving a speaker overhaul.   ;)

can also have one pair with banana & the other with spades...
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on July 09, 2007, 22:01
yes to both Maxngck n Kzone, all these are options to "inserts" 2 pairs of spk wires, esp the thick ones, like 1313A.  :)

just had a hour of listening to the "new cable" arrangement, its just wow wow wow man, the strings (guitar, violin, cello, harp) all had more bounce and tighten up, the wind instruments sound crisper... just make u sit up straight.......shiokadoo man.... ;D

so now i not only recommend the 1313A but i say go for a double run.... ha ha..... ;D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: maxngck on July 10, 2007, 07:13
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/wooso/05-07-07_2342.jpg)


hi!

is that klotz gy107 wif neutrik plug? wah, really sond so nice wif bi-wire har? hey, dun make me itchy so fast to change cable leh :P later my wife sure grumble 1 :P
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on July 10, 2007, 07:19
yes, its really value for $ tis IC, try it out...he he.....

for the 1313A, 2mtr x 4 run, its only $48, also not ex lah.

akan datang ah...i also hv the banana plugs tat u mentioned, will try out what u suggested.... :)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: maxngck on July 10, 2007, 07:26
yes, its really value for $ tis IC, try it out...he he.....

akan datang ah...i also hv the banana plugs tat u mentioned, will try out what u suggested.... :)

hi!

i dunno how much the plug will affect the sound. current using canare plug. got both klotz and 89201 or 89295%&#... cant remember the number liao  :Pthe neutrik plug abit exp lor. abt $50 rite? mayb next week then go buy 1313A. give some time for my wife to forget what i hv bought :P
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on July 10, 2007, 07:32
for Klotz GY107 i hv both the Neutrik plug ($50/4pc) and Canare ($28/4pc) plug versions, the difference in sound is earth n sky, go for the Neutrik, its worth the investment.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: domho8 on July 10, 2007, 14:30
I am now running single run, and LHS gave me some cut strip cables which I used for jumper.

The sound becoming better each day. I just like this cable!!!

Will try double run, maybe 1 end spades to the amp.  ;D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on July 10, 2007, 15:58
if ur speakers got 4 terminals, suggest u double run the cables, the improvement in sound is quite significant when compared to using a short length of the 1313A as jumpers (what i did previously)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on July 10, 2007, 16:42
hi!

if i use this type of banana plug, do u think it can fit into it? the hole for cable seem to be very big leh. if follow ur way, the banana plug cant insert fully, rite?

(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/wooso/chromebana.jpg)

(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/wooso/09-07-07_2205-editted.jpg)

ok, sound is just as good as when i direct wired the first pair.. ;)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: maxngck on July 10, 2007, 20:27
hmm...... so using the banana plug is the same as bare wire ;D so i got a chance to try bi-wire lor. but let me hypnotize my wife 1st. let her forget i just get my cable then only go get this 1313A ;D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on July 10, 2007, 22:36
Hi

i need to qualify for my setup, banana plug n bare wire connection is not much difference, u need to try it out to see if u like what u hear.  i use this combi (banana plugs) and found i like the sound and also i can run 2 pair of wires fm amp to speakers. 

some will feel introducing another device will degrade the signal path, thus will do bare only.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: maxngck on July 11, 2007, 07:13
Hi

i need to qualify for my setup, banana plug n bare wire connection is not much difference, u need to try it out to see if u like what u hear.  i use this combi (banana plugs) and found i like the sound and also i can run 2 pair of wires fm amp to speakers. 

some will feel introducing another device will degrade the signal path, thus will do bare only.

hi!

ya, some say bare is better and sm say no diff. test wif own ears is the best. btw, for ur 2nd method, ur 2nd run cable wif banana plug cant insert fully into the 1st run banana plug rite? coz the cable is blocking the insertion hole liao. is it loose?
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on July 11, 2007, 07:23
the chrome banana plugs has a screw on portion, the one cable set is screwed onto the chrome plugs while the other set (also banana plugs) is inserted to the back hole of the chrome plugs.

actually by doing this, am introducing yet another set of banana plugs into the connection, but the plus is tat i change swap the connection very quickly compared to if i direct wire the 1st cable set to the amp terminals screw portion. 

for those who don't play merry go around with their equipment, then using the 1st method, u save on 1 pair of banana plugs.

let me know if to repost picture from another angle,  :)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: DJQ on July 11, 2007, 10:15
just got my Belden 1313A cables. looks real nice... will be connecting them to my 601. going to listen to music all nite.  :)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on July 11, 2007, 11:10
let us hv yr before/after comments, (compare to current cables) :)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: maxngck on July 15, 2007, 15:55
hi guys!

just got my 1313A y'day. after some tough struggling with my tv console, finally got it insert to my avr. phew....  ;D

hmm...... after listening and comparing to my QED SA XT, i found the sound is about the same leh. now burning in. hope it will sound better after that. if it is good, i will try bi-wire it. the cable is real damn thick ah.   :P
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: DJQ on July 16, 2007, 08:55
let us hv yr before/after comments, (compare to current cables) :)

after the switch from my Silver anniversary cables. the difference was sky and ground. My B&W 601 sound so much better. Depth and imaging of the speakers greatly improved. now it only lacks the much needed bass level as mine is only midsized bookshelf speakers. overall thumbs up for this Cable.  ;D will post pictures of my cable soon.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on July 16, 2007, 13:15
ha ha... if yr speaker is biwireable, wait till u do a double run.... the "upgrade" will blow u off yr chair...ha ha...
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: maxngck on July 16, 2007, 13:16
ha ha... if yr speaker is biwireable, wait till u do a double run.... the "upgrade" will blow u off yr chair...ha ha...

hi!

hmm..... is it bcoz my cable not run in yet? cant really hear much different comparing to my QED SA XT leh :'(
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: maxngck on July 16, 2007, 13:17
after the switch from my Silver anniversary cables. the difference was sky and ground. My B&W 601 sound so much better. Depth and imaging of the speakers greatly improved. now it only lacks the much needed bass level as mine is only midsized bookshelf speakers. overall thumbs up for this Cable.  ;D will post pictures of my cable soon.

hi!

after switch so fast can hear difference liao har? or u oridi run in the cable liao?
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on July 16, 2007, 13:22
mine run in after 2 weeks of 3-4 hrs daily playing  :)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: Transworld on July 16, 2007, 15:40
After reading so much hype abt this cable, i also went down to get a couple of meters of 1313A and 4 meters of 1311A for my pc spks. Now blasting the 1313A with my Cyrus pre/pow, initial impression is bass much powerful and vocal less harsh compared to QED Silver Anniversary. Anyway my interconnects are using Belden Silver hookup wires.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: Darthfunk on July 16, 2007, 16:50
Anyone compare this to Canare 4S11? May wanna try it for my tube set up.  ;D

Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on July 16, 2007, 17:04
if u are referring to the Canare 4S11, the 4S11 is sweet n warm but a bit fuzzy as far as details are concerned. the 1313A is more dynamic n detailed but yet still warm (lose out only on the sweet part), so overall i still prefer the 1313A, now the 4S11 is "retired" to my daughter's room..ha ha....
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: maxngck on July 16, 2007, 21:14
mine run in after 2 weeks of 3-4 hrs daily playing  :)

hahaa... now whacking hard to get it run in. but only hv abt 1 hr per day on wkday to listen. dunno need how long then  :P
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: Transworld on July 16, 2007, 22:57
hahaa... now whacking hard to get it run in. but only hv abt 1 hr per day on wkday to listen. dunno need how long then  :P

Then you should maximise your 1 hr allowance per day by playing high current music such as bassy or drums instruments.  ;)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: DJQ on July 16, 2007, 23:30
hi!

after switch so fast can hear difference liao har? or u oridi run in the cable liao?

it could be because i was on Sliver Anniversary cable which was much brighter and harsh vocals. bass was somewhat lacking in hmpf. sorry ur QED SA XT is which type? not so familiar with it. copper or pure sliver?
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: maxngck on July 17, 2007, 07:03
it could be because i was on Sliver Anniversary cable which was much brighter and harsh vocals. bass was somewhat lacking in hmpf. sorry ur QED SA XT is which type? not so familiar with it. copper or pure sliver?

hi!

mine is SPOFC (Silver plated copper). this cable provide sufficient bass. actually like this cable very much. but now trying 1313A and hope this will excel SA XT ;D

u can refer to http://www.qed.co.uk/i278c159-158/QED_Cables/Speaker_Cables/Silver_Anniversary_XT.htm (http://www.qed.co.uk/i278c159-158/QED_Cables/Speaker_Cables/Silver_Anniversary_XT.htm) for more info on QED product
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: maxngck on July 17, 2007, 07:06
Then you should maximise your 1 hr allowance per day by playing high current music such as bassy or drums instruments.  ;)

hi!

dun think i got such music :(. my preference is slow and sentimental and vocal...... nvm lah. just slowly run it in lor.  ;D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: Transworld on July 17, 2007, 10:34
hi!

dun think i got such music :(. my preference is slow and sentimental and vocal...... nvm lah. just slowly run it in lor.  ;D

Yesterday i played high current music from 3pm till 10pm, now playing Yukie Nishimura's piano pieces so much crisp.  :P
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: maxngck on July 18, 2007, 07:01
Yesterday i played high current music from 3pm till 10pm, now playing Yukie Nishimura's piano pieces so much crisp.  :P

wah! 7 hrs! me was playing Lily Chen for about an hour. really nice vocal..... now i oridi can hear very clear sound and hopefully after some time, the cable can gv me more :P cant wait liao ;D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: gbn on July 18, 2007, 23:50
Recently I bought this cable due to good comments in this forum.
My set up is marantz 7300+primare A20mkii+quad 12l.I have tried 3 different cables with this set up.
MIT terminator4-biwire
Excellent in detail and laid back sound.But has lean bass and poor soundstage
Anticables-biwire
Excellent deep bass and clear soundstage.But it sound harsh in my system and hights are missing too
Belden 1313A-single run
Excellent sound stage ,warm and clean sound with good detail.Decent bass even though not as great as anticables.
honestly I can't point real drawbacks. ::)

For my system with my ears I am very much satisfied with this cable especially at this price(2.5 mt pair terminated with bananas by LHS only $54.00) :P
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on July 19, 2007, 12:01
ha ha... another satisfied n happy user....., i think i must start collecting commission frm Robert already (joking lah) ....lol....... ;D

i too feel tat the 1313A is a very well balance cable, it present sound in just the right proportions across the spectrum, give basic level setup a real upgrade man, so die die must try ah... tmw going ??  ;D....
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: Transworld on July 19, 2007, 12:29
... tmw going ??  ;D....

Going to your place?  ;D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: Darthfunk on July 19, 2007, 12:35
Kao you guys make me wanna get a set for the centre speaker and to bi-wire the fronts. Wonder how it will compare to my QED XT300?
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: Transworld on July 19, 2007, 13:03
Kao you guys make me wanna get a set for the centre speaker and to bi-wire the fronts. Wonder how it will compare to my QED XT300?

But seems like most of the upgraders are from QED Silver Anni users.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: Darthfunk on July 19, 2007, 13:26
But seems like most of the upgraders are from QED Silver Anni users.

The Silver Anniversay series and the X-Tube series are different so cannot compare. Plus the XT-300 iam using is copper core.

Anyway think its low cost for me to try out. Think total length for 2 sets of bi-wire and centre goner be less then 10m.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on July 19, 2007, 14:27
But seems like most of the upgraders are from QED Silver Anni users.

i moved fm Canare 4S11 and Belden 8473, (hv misplaced the XT350 :'()
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: Darthfunk on July 19, 2007, 17:05
i moved fm Canare 4S11 and Belden 8473, (hv misplaced the XT350 :'()

Wah how many metres you misplace? Per metre is about $28 right for XT350?
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: domho8 on July 19, 2007, 19:44
After more than a week of playing with 1313A, just with about 2hrs+ of playing each day, honestly I am most happy as this cable sounds better each day.

Now am playing some chinese vocals, 2 ladies w 1 man, the vocals separations are just so gd!!!
Wordings sounds more crisps, especially with Cai Qin voice, I actually sang together when I play her songs!!!
 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on July 19, 2007, 20:19
Wah how many metres you misplace? Per metre is about $28 right for XT350?

not much, a 2.5 mtr pair, stuff here n there n now MIA,  :'(
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: Transworld on July 19, 2007, 20:25
not much, a 2.5 mtr pair, stuff here n there n now MIA,  :'(

Well don't worry, it just hiding somewhere. Just close your eyes and feel its existence.  ;D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: maxngck on July 19, 2007, 21:20
sigh! miss my 1 hr of listening today :'( came home late :P
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on July 19, 2007, 22:04
Well don't worry, it just hiding somewhere. Just close your eyes and feel its existence.  ;D

actually i already stop looking for it, now with 1313A, if ok lah.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: benzx on July 19, 2007, 22:15
sigh! miss my 1 hr of listening today :'( came home late :P

The nite is still young!  ;D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: maxngck on July 19, 2007, 22:19
The nite is still young!  ;D

me cant stay up liao. eyes going to close liao :P me hv to wake up very early for work. so hv to turn in early oso. unless wkend or friday nite.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: Bernie7 on July 23, 2007, 13:04
Besides AWG size, is there any other difference between the design of the 1309A and the 1313A? Since both are from the 13xxA series, I would think the design is the same. If so, then the 1309A should be as good for shorter lengths <3m and less power-hungry speakers, ya?

Anyway, I've been trying out the 1309A for several days now and over 30 hrs burn-in (using it even for TV audio) and it sounds pretty good. Acoustic guitars sound crisp and distinct (not raspy) and voices are smooth. It sounded horrible during the first hour of use. BTW, I'm using Dynaudio Audience 40 speakesr driven by an AR SP9/Sunfire amp combo. Itching to try the 1313A to see if there will a big improvement because the Dynaudio is quite power-hungry. Anyone compared  both cables want to share?
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: tinytok on July 23, 2007, 13:38
I agree 1309A sounds horrible during the first hour of use. ;D

But now its in my HT setup, dunno if it will be broken in cos i seldom use HT setup now.

However, the 1309A vocal should be sweeter.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: Bernie7 on July 23, 2007, 18:18


Yup, all things being equal, thinner core gives better midrange and treble. Bass won't be as strong though, but since I'm using a subwoofer, it shouldn't really matter.  ;D

So time to put the 1309A back to your main system and give it another chance eh?  ;)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: tinytok on July 23, 2007, 21:58
Nah...have just rewired my vintage philip fullrang with 1313A.

Maybe later on i will switch over wit 1309A for a change. ;D


Yup, all things being equal, thinner core gives better midrange and treble. Bass won't be as strong though, but since I'm using a subwoofer, it shouldn't really matter.  ;D

So time to put the 1309A back to your main system and give it another chance eh?  ;)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: zapp on July 23, 2007, 21:59
Is this the reason why i find the 1313 less clear or less impactful as compared to the 4S11s??? haha now confused man what cable is better lol...
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: tinytok on July 23, 2007, 23:17
some old theories...trust your ears man ! :o

Is this the reason why i find the 1313 less clear or less impactful as compared to the 4S11s??? haha now confused man what cable is better lol...
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: zapp on July 23, 2007, 23:21
some old theories...trust your ears man ! :o

waiting for the cable to warm up a bit more....then i will see how
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: maxngck on July 24, 2007, 07:16
Is this the reason why i find the 1313 less clear or less impactful as compared to the 4S11s??? haha now confused man what cable is better lol...

me oso confuse liao. change fr QED SA XT to 1313A now dunno the cable run in oridi anot? forgot how is the sound when 1313A was new ??? hahaaaa ;D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on July 24, 2007, 11:59
just over the weekend, i brought the 1313A over to friend's place to test his system.  ha ha.. the sound fell flat man....compared to what he is now using, a $5xx Tara Lab biwire...

but when bk home, fix 1313A back to own setup... hey the magic is back... ;D

so what to say.... matching?  or becos the Tara Lab is xx times the grade?

Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: zapp on July 24, 2007, 12:04
I think equipment matching plays a role too lol
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: TubeBoy on July 24, 2007, 16:30
just over the weekend, i brought the 1313A over to friend's place to test his system.  ha ha.. the sound fell flat man....compared to what he is now using, a $5xx Tara Lab biwire...

but when bk home, fix 1313A back to own setup... hey the magic is back... ;D

so what to say.... matching?  or becos the Tara Lab is xx times the grade?



Did you bring double run of the 1313A to test on your friend's speakers?  Coz his speakers are bi-wired.  If you use jumpers, it might not be a fair comparison.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: maxngck on July 24, 2007, 17:04
Did you bring double run of the 1313A to test on your friend's speakers?  Coz his speakers are bi-wired.  If you use jumpers, it might not be a fair comparison.

hi!

let me try out the bi-wire on my usher s520 this sunday and i will let u guys know the result ;D hahaa, cant wait till this sunday liao :P
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: tinytok on July 24, 2007, 17:06
Whats his setup?

I do find that 1313A fell short of how it perform now with KT88 Vs 6P1
The airy feeling is just not there with KT88 now but KT88 indeed is a bigger sounding amp.
I do not know at this stage how much it will change.

just over the weekend, i brought the 1313A over to friend's place to test his system.  ha ha.. the sound fell flat man....compared to what he is now using, a $5xx Tara Lab biwire...

but when bk home, fix 1313A back to own setup... hey the magic is back... ;D

so what to say.... matching?  or becos the Tara Lab is xx times the grade?


Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on July 24, 2007, 18:28
Whats his setup?

I do find that 1313A fell short of how it perform now with KT88 Vs 6P1
The airy feeling is just not there with KT88 now but KT88 indeed is a bigger sounding amp.
I do not know at this stage how much it will change.


setup - Melody Sp3 (5881 tubes) - Marantz CD63 (mod by TS) - Quad 12L, i think tis one too tok gong for 1313A...ha ha....
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: domho8 on July 24, 2007, 20:14
setup - Melody Sp3 (5881 tubes) - Marantz CD63 (mod by TS) - Quad 12L, i think tis one too tok gong for 1313A...ha ha....

How did the Melody SP3 performed. I wanted to get this amp, 1 chap selling, more than a yr old, guess by now would hv been sold, think new around S$1.5k by larry hifi.  ;D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: tinytok on July 24, 2007, 20:19
Dunno lei.

Its just like the QED silver25 needs the voodoo tweaks to sound better on my HT amp but not the 1313A.

Its all about inductance and synergy.

setup - Melody Sp3 (5881 tubes) - Marantz CD63 (mod by TS) - Quad 12L, i think tis one too tok gong for 1313A...ha ha....
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: maxngck on July 24, 2007, 21:52
Dunno lei.

Its just like the QED silver25 needs the voodoo tweaks to sound better on my HT amp but not the 1313A.

Its all about inductance and synergy.


hi!

is ur voodoo tweak working on ur 1313A?
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: tinytok on July 24, 2007, 22:27
Voodoo tweak works on 1313A but i wouldn't want it as it works on the negative side.

hi!

is ur voodoo tweak working on ur 1313A?
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: maxngck on July 24, 2007, 22:29
Voodoo tweak works on 1313A but i wouldn't want it as it works on the negative side.


hi!

u mean it make the sound worst? ???
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: Bernie7 on July 27, 2007, 11:24
just over the weekend, i brought the 1313A over to friend's place to test his system.  ha ha.. the sound fell flat man....compared to what he is now using, a $5xx Tara Lab biwire...



Is that so? Maybe I should look for my old bi-wire pair of solid-core Tara Labs and compare it to the 1309A   :P
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: maxngck on July 29, 2007, 21:51
hi!

Finally got a chance to try out bi-wiring the 1313A on my usher s520. the sound wise seem to lost some of its detail and the sound became slightly louder. so i think the single run with the triple run neotech as jumper suit my system better.  ;)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: agent K on September 18, 2007, 20:57
thks to all the bros here for recommending this wonderful cable.  ;D

Went to get from LHS today and burning in now...loving it!

Cheers!  :D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: domho8 on September 18, 2007, 21:26
Just got my Xindak jumper cables (Tks to Francis Woo who got it fr HK).
Noticed improvement in Imaging, more focus and details crispier.  ;D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: ks on September 18, 2007, 22:18
Currently running running 4 runs of 1313A, bi-amping my Usher S520A with Panny XR55.

setup sounded edgy initially, but now getting better..
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: warmasterhorus11 on October 05, 2007, 17:03
Lovely Speaker cable I must say.  ;)
 
Used to keep getting terrible treble & bass when using monster cable( FOC dunno which model) while playing music from Gladiator soundtrack.

But after using Belden 1313a combine with IC Klotz GY107 (with Neutrik profi plug) to stereo amp & power amp, the music become more Lively, Dynamic and ofcoz Imaging improves alot better.

I cant ask for more from an inexpensive yet impressive audio cable.  ;D



Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on October 05, 2007, 17:56
6 mths into running the cable, now i hv top performance fm my Diamond 9.1, sweet yet dynamic, with punch yet fluid sound, with pinpoint imaging, superb separation, emotion moving vocal, lively strings n wind instrumental,  what more can i say,  ;D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: domho8 on October 05, 2007, 20:47
6 mths into running the cable, now i hv top performance fm my Diamond 9.1, sweet yet dynamic, with punch yet fluid sound, with pinpoint imaging, superb separation, emotion moving vocal, lively strings n wind instrumental,  what more can i say,  ;D

I cant rem when I bought my 1313A, but everytime I play CDs, It seems to sound sweeter each time.  ;D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: Transworld on October 05, 2007, 21:25
I cant rem when I bought my 1313A, but everytime I play CDs, It seems to sound sweeter each time.  ;D

We all are happy guys.  ;D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: Darthfunk on October 05, 2007, 21:36
hmm maybe i should get 2 pairs (bi-wire) to try when iam back next week. Wanna hear how it compares to the Canare 4S11  ;)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: stanly on October 05, 2007, 22:03
I cant rem when I bought my 1313A, but everytime I play CDs, It seems to sound sweeter each time.  ;D

How much is the cable??  ??? Where to buy??  ???
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: warmasterhorus11 on October 05, 2007, 22:07
How much is the cable??  ??? Where to buy??  ???

As usual LHS @ SLT 2nd level. ;)

6 well-worth dola per meter, banana plug optional. Hope this help  ;D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: stanly on October 05, 2007, 22:45
As usual LHS @ SLT 2nd level. ;)

6 well-worth dola per meter, banana plug optional. Hope this help  ;D

Bare would do i think.....haha...buying for friend, and he want good and cheap..... :D

Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: koma on October 06, 2007, 01:26
yup gd for value cable nice on vocals ;)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: stanly on October 06, 2007, 07:05
Does LHS sell banana plug also?? Do they do termination??  ???
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on October 06, 2007, 07:55
hmm maybe i should get 2 pairs (bi-wire) to try when iam back next week. Wanna hear how it compares to the Canare 4S11  ;)

hv both, Canare 4S11 n Belden 1313A and hv done A/B.

the 4S11 is warm and sweet sound, u will get that with 1313A together with dynamics and tighten bass, better soundstage n imaging.  the 4S11 is a little fuzzy incomparision.

if not mistaken the difference is $1/mtr between the 2, small difference in px but a big jump in sound,  :o

Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on October 06, 2007, 07:58
Does LHS sell banana plug also?? Do they do termination??  ???

yes they do, $14/4pcs.  they are the screw lock them, so u can terminate urself.  not sure if they also sell the solder type of plugs, anyone know?
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: ks on October 06, 2007, 10:32
hmm maybe i should get 2 pairs (bi-wire) to try when iam back next week. Wanna hear how it compares to the Canare 4S11  ;)

1313A is very thick, impossible to fit 2 runs of 1313A into 1 banana plug. If spades, maybe...
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: civicguy on October 06, 2007, 12:32
1313A is very thick, impossible to fit 2 runs of 1313A into 1 banana plug. If spades, maybe...


Is Canare thicker than 1313 ? I have both but I found Canare so much much THICKER.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on October 06, 2007, 12:40
Is Canare thicker than 1313 ? I have both but I found Canare so much much THICKER.

tat is becos the Canare is a 4 core bundle, but individual cable is 14AWG, compared to the 1313 its a heavier gage at 10AWG.

i hv tried to use the 4S11 as a 2 core wire (interwined 2 reds and 2 whites) but still the sound cannot fight the 1313A
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: zapp on October 06, 2007, 13:06
1313 is heck of a lot of copper. Sell next time to karanguni also shiok :p
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: sty on October 06, 2007, 13:31
Will drop by to buy some 1313A later. Need a pair of 1313A bare wire as just got a solid state amp that can only accept bare wire.  :)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on October 06, 2007, 15:09
u won't regret one... ;D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: stanly on October 06, 2007, 15:23
Will drop by to buy some 1313A later. Need a pair of 1313A bare wire as just got a solid state amp that can only accept bare wire.  :)

Haha.....like that we might bump into each other..... ;D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: ks on October 06, 2007, 18:08
Is Canare thicker than 1313 ? I have both but I found Canare so much much THICKER.

U talking abt Canare 4S11?

1313A is definitely thicker than 4S11. I've owned 4S11 before, and its no where thicker than 1313A
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: domho8 on October 06, 2007, 19:37
u want thick cable ah, go LHS ask for Canare 4f18s, this one KNN si bei CHOR ah, thot of trying but the 1313A aldy so siok!!! ;D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: sty on October 06, 2007, 20:54
Haha.....like that we might bump into each other..... ;D

Paiseh. Last min got something on. Will go down tomorrow instead. Really desperate in need of some bare 1313A. I am already running a pair of terminated 1313A in my hall setup. Have to agree that the sound is getting better n better everyday.  :)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: benzx on October 06, 2007, 21:00
Paiseh. Last min got something on. Will go down tomorrow instead. Really desperate in need of some bare 1313A. I am already running a pair of terminated 1313A in my hall setup. Have to agree that the sound is getting better n better everyday.  :)

Tomorrow most likely no open shop leh bro.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: khakis359 on October 06, 2007, 23:11
value for money :D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: civicguy on October 07, 2007, 00:24
U talking abt Canare 4S11?

1313A is definitely thicker than 4S11. I've owned 4S11 before, and its no where thicker than 1313A

Mmm.. not sure lei.. see this pic:

Black one is 1313A, the Grey One should be Canare 4S11 ba...(cannot remember...)... Grey one is slightly thicker than the black one...

(http://lh3.google.com/civicguysg/Rwe1igjVdsI/AAAAAAAAATk/M1ZGaGAQ9E8/s400/Cables%20003.JPG)

Did I make a mistake ? :)

More pics here: http://picasaweb.google.com/civicguysg/BeldenCables (http://picasaweb.google.com/civicguysg/BeldenCables)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: benzx on October 07, 2007, 03:30
Mmm.. not sure lei.. see this pic:

Black one is 1313A, the Grey One should be Canare 4S11 ba...(cannot remember...)... Grey one is slightly thicker than the black one...



Did I make a mistake ? :)


You got the cables right.  But the gauge size refers to a single core inside the insulation you see.  If you compare 1 red cable of the 1313A to 1 red cable of the 4s11, the 1313A is thicker.  The outer diameter of the 4S11 is bigger because there's 4 cables inside, while the 1313A only got 2.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: sty on October 07, 2007, 09:42
Tomorrow most likely no open shop leh bro.

Thanks bro. Than I will popby on a weekday.  :)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: civicguy on October 07, 2007, 13:22
You got the cables right.  But the gauge size refers to a single core inside the insulation you see.  If you compare 1 red cable of the 1313A to 1 red cable of the 4s11, the 1313A is thicker.  The outer diameter of the 4S11 is bigger because there's 4 cables inside, while the 1313A only got 2.

OH ! Okie !! So I see ! :)

Thank u.. now I understand ! :)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: stanly on October 07, 2007, 19:18
Is the Belden speaker cable directional btw??  ???
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: synthesis on October 07, 2007, 19:23
Is the Belden speaker cable directional btw??  ???


Which speaker cable that you know is directional?  ???
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: ks on October 09, 2007, 14:37


Which speaker cable that you know is directional?  ???

I know YBA cables are directional.

And there are probably some more.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: synthesis on October 09, 2007, 15:16
I know YBA cables are directional.
And there are probably some more.


Hhmm... how, what makes it directional? and what happen if you connect wrong direction?
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: Transworld on October 09, 2007, 16:08


Hhmm... how, what makes it directional? and what happen if you connect wrong direction?

Mostly the manufacturers will say the cable will not perform to its fullest potential if not connect according to the direction indicated on the cable. It won't explode if wrong direction.  ;D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: kzone on October 09, 2007, 18:10
i've been "taught" by an old uncle that all cables are directional.. if there are no arrows indicated, then follow the wordings on the cable... eg. Cabletalk.. current should flow from "C" to "k"... anyone did a listening test?
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: watchthewaves on October 10, 2007, 08:36
err ... think about it ... even if you believe that cables are directional, why would it be directional according to the printing on the jacket?  If a company doesn't say that its cable is directional, the direction of the printing would be purely random. 

Some interesting reading:
http://proav.pubdyn.com/Tech_Apps/May2006TheTruthAboutExoticCables.htm

There is a possibility that your old uncle is wrong.  ;)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: HoSaybo on October 10, 2007, 08:53
the wording is just a way to remember which direction you connect. after the burn in perod, the cable is believe to be run in for a particular direction. If you connect it the other way round, you gotta run in again.

the above is what I know from the web. Never tried myself as too lazy to do it.

Any bro who tried it may want to give his input.

Cheers :D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: TubeBoy on October 10, 2007, 16:01
Some cables do come with directional arrows/markers to ensure that owners do not mistakenly connect it the opposite way after running in the cables.  It will be interesting to actually reverse our speaker cables direction just to "listen" for differences. ;)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: Heng on October 10, 2007, 17:31
Directional wire — Directional wire, not to be confused with directional cable, is “totally bogus,” DellaSala adds. “Directional cable is legitimate (when the shield is lifted on one end to eliminate ground loops), but not directional wire.” Manufacturers of directional wire claim that the copper is extruded in a way that “directs” the copper crystals in one direction, thus creating a directional signal path. “It’s not possible. Copper crystals aren’t directional,” says Phil Tennison, technical sales manager of Marshall Electronics, Mogami Cable division in El Segundo, CA.

The above extracted from "The Truth About Exotic Cables (http://proav.pubdyn.com/Tech_Apps/May2006TheTruthAboutExoticCables.htm)"...

One such speaker cable I came across with such grounding shield is Supra Cable Ply 3.4/S where the shield is lifted at the speaker end...  :)

Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: sty on October 10, 2007, 20:25
Finally got my 2 metre bare Belden 1313A today. As this is the first time I buy bare Belden 1313A n strip the rubber insulator, to find out that the wire is really alot man. I actually wanted to teminate the speaker end myself but the banana plugs that I buy cannot accept all the wire.  :-[
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: synthesis on October 10, 2007, 20:31
You can cut few strands what's the problem.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: sty on October 10, 2007, 21:47
You can cut few strands what's the problem.

If I really cut is definitely more than a few strands. Anyway, will try your suggestion to cut off some wire so that it can fit into the banana plugs. Thanks for your suggestion.  :)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: 2100 on October 10, 2007, 22:49

If I really cut is definitely more than a few strands. Anyway, will try your suggestion to cut off some wire so that it can fit into the banana plugs. Thanks for your suggestion.  :)
If you don't trust him, then trust me. It won't make a difference.   ;D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: sty on October 10, 2007, 23:10
If you don't trust him, then trust me. It won't make a difference.   ;D

No worries. I also believe that my ears will not be so fantastic as to pickup the difference if there r any in the first place by trimming of some wires.  :)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: benzx on October 11, 2007, 17:33
Another way is to use the cables unterminated at the speaker end and try first (if can fit). Run in and test out, if sounds good to you and you wanna keep it and you feel the need to use banana plugs, then you invest some money on some correct size plugs lor.  If the cables doesnt suit u, then you can sell it off unterminated.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: sty on October 11, 2007, 21:28
Another way is to use the cables unterminated at the speaker end and try first (if can fit). Run in and test out, if sounds good to you and you wanna keep it and you feel the need to use banana plugs, then you invest some money on some correct size plugs lor.  If the cables doesnt suit u, then you can sell it off unterminated.

Thanks. I have already trim the wires n fit into the banana plugs on the speaker end. Now the wire is really too much for the amp side too. Need to trim off there too. Just started playing just now. Sounded abit flat in the beginning but after about an hour it seems better. Guess the amp should have warm up. Now just have to wait for the cables to eventually run in. I know it is gonna take a long time for that to happen. :-[
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: stanly on October 11, 2007, 22:09
Thanks. I have already trim the wires n fit into the banana plugs on the speaker end. Now the wire is really too much for the amp side too. Need to trim off there too. Just started playing just now. Sounded abit flat in the beginning but after about an hour it seems better. Guess the amp should have warm up. Now just have to wait for the cables to eventually run in. I know it is gonna take a long time for that to happen. :-[

Usually takes about 100 hours of playing to really hear what the cable is really capable of...... ;)

New stuff needs a little patience loh...... :)

Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: sty on October 11, 2007, 22:23
Usually takes about 100 hours of playing to really hear what the cable is really capable of...... ;)

New stuff needs a little patience loh...... :)



Really have a long time to wait. I am now running a pair of 1313A in the sitting room n another pair in the bedroom. But nevertheless, it should be well worth the wait. :)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: XProfessionalX on October 12, 2007, 19:43
Is LHS open tmr ? If yes till what time ? Thanks
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: domho8 on October 12, 2007, 21:49
Is LHS open tmr ? If yes till what time ? Thanks

Usually suppose to close around 1pm, but biz is so gd they stretch to about 6pm.
Best call LHS robert and tell him what u want and u go there pay & go home play liao.  ;D
 ;D
Call 6293-2242 Robert for all your cable needs.  ;D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: domho8 on October 12, 2007, 21:51
Thanks. I have already trim the wires n fit into the banana plugs on the speaker end. Now the wire is really too much for the amp side too. Need to trim off there too. Just started playing just now. Sounded abit flat in the beginning but after about an hour it seems better. Guess the amp should have warm up. Now just have to wait for the cables to eventually run in. I know it is gonna take a long time for that to happen. :-[

Mine started to OPEN up liao & I loving it everyday I play CDs.  ;D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: XProfessionalX on October 12, 2007, 22:08
Thanks alot domho8 .. Btw how to make a jumper cable ? need shades ?
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: domho8 on October 12, 2007, 22:34
Thanks alot domho8 .. Btw how to make a jumper cable ? need shades ?

When u're in LHS, ask the uncle u want to do jumper, ask him cut some cable like this pic

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l261/REXDJ/Picture061-1.jpg)
 ;D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: benzx on October 13, 2007, 00:16
Really have a long time to wait. I am now running a pair of 1313A in the sitting room n another pair in the bedroom. But nevertheless, it should be well worth the wait. :)

What I'll do with new speaker cables if I'm busy.... hook up my TV audio-out to my amp with the new speaker cables. And my wife will be the one doing 60% of the running in  :P
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: stanly on October 13, 2007, 08:12
What I'll do with new speaker cables if I'm busy.... hook up my TV audio-out to my amp with the new speaker cables. And my wife will be the one doing 60% of the running in  :P

Just set a CD on repeat mode and leave it there loh...... :)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: sty on October 13, 2007, 10:43
Just set a CD on repeat mode and leave it there loh...... :)

This one confirm cannot. My wife just complain to me that the electric bill already increase since I started my music listenning habit at night. If leave it on confirm will get surrond sound from her. ;D

As for benzx idea, thanks for it. Will see if I can hook it on .Thanks.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: civicguy on October 13, 2007, 11:09
This one confirm cannot. My wife just complain to me that the electric bill already increase since I started my music listenning habit at night. If leave it on confirm will get surrond sound from her. ;D

I always have a solution to that.... i always reply.. "here at home listening to music, or at St James drinking and watching mei mei.....? U choose..." and give a cheekish smile  ;D

I have a 100% supportive wife in terms of HT/Audio Systems.... :)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: sty on October 14, 2007, 09:11
I always have a solution to that.... i always reply.. "here at home listening to music, or at St James drinking and watching mei mei.....? U choose..." and give a cheekish smile  ;D

I have a 100% supportive wife in terms of HT/Audio Systems.... :)

Haiz....maybe because I never always go chiong night spot thats why my wife dont know how to appreciate me at home.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: 2100 on October 14, 2007, 09:42
Haiz....maybe because I never always go chiong night spot thats why my wife dont know how to appreciate me at home.
Nan ren bu huai, nu ren bu ai!

Some guys are good in earning money, so at home for the wife it is easy come easy go whenever it comes to money and material. Most times only when a calamity comes along, would the wife appreciate the beauty of savings. How many ladies/guys have > 100K savings in their bank a/c? Very few.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: benzx on October 15, 2007, 00:32
How many ladies/guys have > 100K savings in their bank a/c? Very few.

At the current market performance and the pathetic interest rate banks are giving, leaving the 100K savings in bank is wasting opportunity costs leh.   ;D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: yam seng on October 15, 2007, 13:59
Is the Belden 1313A speaker cable a good match for the KEF CRESTA 2. ??
hooking up to a an ARCAM DELTA 290 PRE AND POWER COMBINATION.
Currently i am using the CANARE 4S11. Appreciate fellow users advice. Thank You
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: benzx on October 15, 2007, 17:21
Is the Belden 1313A speaker cable a good match for the KEF CRESTA 2. ??
hooking up to a an ARCAM DELTA 290 PRE AND POWER COMBINATION.
Currently i am using the CANARE 4S11. Appreciate fellow users advice. Thank You


Calling bro hifiluv!! You're needed. hehe

The thread starter had played around with cresta2, 4s11 and of cos the 1313A.  Wait for him to give you some advice ba.  ;)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on October 15, 2007, 18:25
Calling bro hifiluv!! You're needed. hehe

The thread starter had played around with cresta2, 4s11 and of cos the 1313A.  Wait for him to give you some advice ba.  ;)

yes, i was using the 4S11 biwired to KEF Cresta II and paired with 12W x 2 tube amp and NAD cdp and sound was very good.  when i bought the 1313A, i hv already sold off the Cresta II so i cannot offer any comment.  but based on those who hv tried the 1313A on various speakers, most agree the sound improve, at $6/mtr can try lah. 
 
i hv owned the Cresta II and Q compact, KEF are not fussy speakers and being 90dB, they are easy to drive and very musical speakers, paired with a decent amp and cdp, they seldom disappoint.

now i m using the 1313A to Diamond 9.1, tube amp and NAD cdp, its smacking good man,  ;D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: domho8 on October 15, 2007, 22:19
yes, i was using the 4S11 biwired to KEF Cresta II and paired with 12W x 2 tube amp and NAD cdp and sound was very good.  when i bought the 1313A, i hv already sold off the Cresta II so i cannot offer any comment.  but based on those who hv tried the 1313A on various speakers, most agree the sound improve, at $6/mtr can try lah. 
 
i hv owned the Cresta II and Q compact, KEF are not fussy speakers and being 90dB, they are easy to drive and very musical speakers, paired with a decent amp and cdp, they seldom disappoint.

now i m using the 1313A to Diamond 9.1, tube amp and NAD cdp, its smacking good man,  ;D


The 1313As, it just gets better with each day!!! ;D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: reds on October 16, 2007, 21:56
Just got the cables today. Excellent service by Robert, really wish there are more retailers like him ;D ;D

Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: domho8 on October 16, 2007, 22:14
Just got the cables today. Excellent service by Robert, really wish there are more retailers like him ;D ;D



He's the CABLE MAN!!! ;D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: cn9601 on October 16, 2007, 22:55
WOW....I have been reading tis thread for the past 1hr, trust me, every single post. Could feel the poison of 1313A :o

Am very tempted to get 2 pairs of 1313A to bi-wire Mission 774 with Audiolab Int Amp (currently already bi-wired with Audioquest Type 4). Maybe also 8473 for Ctr Spkr for Mission 77c to Onkyo 875 (currently using monster Std 12).  ;)

Aware tat some bros have tried comparing 1313A with others. But since my current Audioquest Type 4 is also solid core copper, similar to 1313A, wonder whether all the good comments of 1313A has anything to do with Solid Core Copper vs Strands Copper?


Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: 2100 on October 17, 2007, 22:58
At the current market performance and the pathetic interest rate banks are giving, leaving the 100K savings in bank is wasting opportunity costs leh.   ;D

Yes, of coz lar. Heh heh... I am just saying, nowadays, who have the spending power to leave even say 50k, for spending on boy-toy hobbies like photography, car modding, hifi, lux watches? Esp one is young say 30 years of age. Park everything into stocks, assests, all these have the chance of becoming negative.

Or take it this way, 50-100K in cash for play. 200K in property/stocks.

My pops in law lost nearly 300k in 97. Do not be caught unawares, and suddenly there is a need for money (eg serious hospitalisation, and the insurance may not cover all). 2 hospitalisations in 2 years took away 5k + 32k from us, coverage was partial.

Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: cn9601 on October 18, 2007, 17:58
Just got the cables today. Excellent service by Robert, really wish there are more retailers like him ;D ;D

OK, cannot 'STAND' liao. Tom will go LHS to order 4 x 3m 1313A. Dun know whether to get 2.5m of 1313A or 8714 for Ctr Spk. Robert recommends 1313A, but bro hifiluv recommends 8714  ???

Then maybe go NDV to get a Burn-In CD  :P
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on October 18, 2007, 18:46
Robert recommends 1313A, but bro hifiluv recommends 8714  ???

actually, u can use 1313A all round for a consistent sound, but i like to mix/match, rojak
here n there, i stayed with the 8714 for my setup becos i find the 1313A "too clear" for my centre and 8714 producing the sound tat i like, warm, realistic vocals, but not overly bright or forward.

 :)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: XProfessionalX on October 18, 2007, 19:18
Is this cable a warm one ?
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: adamsandler on October 18, 2007, 19:21
In my system, the 1313A has been a neutral sounding cable.  How it sounds definitely reflects the characteristics of your partnering equipment.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: XProfessionalX on October 18, 2007, 19:23
As i am looking for a warmer cable .. since my usher speakers is a bright one
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: adamsandler on October 18, 2007, 19:46
for warm sounding cables, you can try Cardas.

www.cardas.com

Cardas is famous for it's smooth warm sound.  Only the Golden Cross and Cross models are warmish in nature.  The Golden Reference and Neutral Reference would be more lean sounding in comparison to the Cross range.

I found crystal copper based cables such as Analysis Plus Oval 8, Audience AU24 etc more smooth and would be able to tame brightness in some cases. 
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: domho8 on October 18, 2007, 22:08
2 hospitalisations in 2 years took away 5k + 32k from us, coverage was partial.



my DIL had a maj op and now he lost 1 leg due to diabetes and his hospitalisation think around S$50K, lucky got some subsidy, and he has large savings, bo KNN siong!!
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: cn9601 on October 19, 2007, 09:42
actually, u can use 1313A all round for a consistent sound, but i like to mix/match, rojak
here n there, i stayed with the 8714 for my setup becos i find the 1313A "too clear" for my centre and 8714 producing the sound tat i like, warm, realistic vocals, but not overly bright or forward.
 :)

Bro hifiluv, juz read some posts abt 1313A might NOT be suitable for BRIGHT setup. Basically, my stereo setup of Audiolab-Cambridge Audio-Mission 774 is kinda BRIGHT. As a Belden Guru (to me), wats yr expert opinion on tis, ie. I really hope tat 1313A could tame the BRIGHTNESS a little more and the Bass slightly more punchy and control  ;D  Hope I not asking too much from a $6/m cable  :P  BTW, all other bros pls do comment as well  ;)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: warmasterhorus11 on October 19, 2007, 09:49
Bass will punch well... not too heavy not too soft or patchy ;D then again also must depend the recording of the CD itself.  ;)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on October 19, 2007, 12:45
Bro hifiluv, juz read some posts abt 1313A might NOT be suitable for BRIGHT setup. Basically, my stereo setup of Audiolab-Cambridge Audio-Mission 774 is kinda BRIGHT. As a Belden Guru (to me), wats yr expert opinion on tis, ie. I really hope tat 1313A could tame the BRIGHTNESS a little more and the Bass slightly more punchy and control  ;D  Hope I not asking too much from a $6/m cable  :P  BTW, all other bros pls do comment as well  ;)

thereotically speaking, the 1313A is a only copper stranded cable, thus shd tend towards the warm side. perhaps becos of the heavy gauge, the signal comes out a little stronger compare to say 4S11, at least tat is my experience. 

agree tat it also depends on overall setup.  for my current setup, the 1313A gave me more dynamics, bass punch and speed compared to when i was using 4S11.  combining with a tube amp, the balance is rather pleasant,  for $6/mtr can buy and try out, if sound don't suit yr taste can WTS,  ;D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: benzx on October 19, 2007, 15:26
Bro hifiluv, juz read some posts abt 1313A might NOT be suitable for BRIGHT setup. Basically, my stereo setup of Audiolab-Cambridge Audio-Mission 774 is kinda BRIGHT. As a Belden Guru (to me), wats yr expert opinion on tis, ie. I really hope tat 1313A could tame the BRIGHTNESS a little more and the Bass slightly more punchy and control  ;D  Hope I not asking too much from a $6/m cable  :P  BTW, all other bros pls do comment as well  ;)

Bro, I've used audioquest Type 4 (single run) before. In relative terms, its considered quite warm sounding, compared to a model of belden cable (not the 1313A) which I've used before.  Maybe bro hifiluv can help me recall the model of belden? as i have forgotten.  I've not tried a 1313A before, but I doubt it'll be warmer sounding that your audioquest type 4, if thats what you are looking for.  You can also try re-positioning your speakers and adjust the toe-ins to see if it helps to tame the brightness abit.   
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: cn9601 on October 19, 2007, 15:36
Bro, I've used audioquest Type 4 (single run) before. In relative terms, its considered quite warm sounding, compared to a model of belden cable (not the 1313A) which I've used before.  Maybe bro hifiluv can help me recall the model of belden? as i have forgotten.  I've not tried a 1313A before, but I doubt it'll be warmer sounding that your audioquest type 4, if thats what you are looking for.  You can also try re-positioning your speakers and adjust the toe-ins to see if it helps to tame the brightness abit.   

Tks bro benzx. But yr post arrives 2hrs too late. Oredi got 15m x 1313A, 1.5m x 1695A, 3 pairs of cheap banana plug and 1 x Kharma Burn-In CD  ;D  Guess will be BZ tis evenin and over wkends  ;)

Previously, got bi-wired QED XT350 to audition. As much as I can HEAR, no diff to the current Audioquest Type 4, so $400 saved.

Abt the spk posn, tried a few posns oredi..... :'(   The High or Sharpness still present - but I must add that this brighness doesnt happen on all discs. Still I find the current stereo setup kinda little bit bright  8)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: benzx on October 19, 2007, 16:23
Tks bro benzx. But yr post arrives 2hrs too late. Oredi got 15m x 1313A, 1.5m x 1695A, 3 pairs of cheap banana plug and 1 x Kharma Burn-In CD  ;D  Guess will be BZ tis evenin and over wkends  ;)

Previously, got bi-wired QED XT350 to audition. As much as I can HEAR, no diff to the current Audioquest Type 4, so $400 saved.

Abt the spk posn, tried a few posns oredi..... :'(   The High or Sharpness still present - but I must add that this brighness doesnt happen on all discs. Still I find the current stereo setup kinda little bit bright  8)

As earlier posts mentioned, the 1313A doesn't costs an arm and leg, no harm trying out. Who knows it may really suit your system  :)
Where did you get the Kharma burn in disc from?
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: Heng on October 19, 2007, 16:30
Tks bro benzx. But yr post arrives 2hrs too late. Oredi got 15m x 1313A, 1.5m x 1695A, 3 pairs of cheap banana plug and 1 x Kharma Burn-In CD  ;D  Guess will be BZ tis evenin and over wkends  ;)

Previously, got bi-wired QED XT350 to audition. As much as I can HEAR, no diff to the current Audioquest Type 4, so $400 saved.

If 1313A can beat XT350, must let me know man!  :o :o

Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: cn9601 on October 19, 2007, 17:13
Where did you get the Kharma burn in disc from?

The usual place - NDV@Adelphi - burn a pocket hole at $37. Actually Ernst tried selling also the other one XLR or whatnot Test Disc ard $34 (something like that). But I prefer tis Kharma cos all tracks are 'natural' instruments, with the hidden track 9 serves as Demagnetiser - sounds like just running tone from High-Low freq. Chk it out at:
http://www.elusivedisc.com/prodinfo.asp?number=STSCD10002

Actually, I can always pick out from my CD library to run some instruments for burn-in. But I am just tooooo lazy to load/unload these discs. Now, with one disc (percussion, piano, organ, flute) can juz leave it to play, just like normal play of classical music mah  ;D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: Transworld on October 19, 2007, 17:25
Maybe bro hifiluv can help me recall the model of belden? as i have forgotten. 

Are you refering to Belden 1860A, black/white spiraling together.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: Transworld on October 19, 2007, 17:27
Bro hifiluv, juz read some posts abt 1313A might NOT be suitable for BRIGHT setup. Basically, my stereo setup of Audiolab-Cambridge Audio-Mission 774 is kinda BRIGHT. As a Belden Guru (to me), wats yr expert opinion on tis, ie. I really hope tat 1313A could tame the BRIGHTNESS a little more and the Bass slightly more punchy and control  ;D  Hope I not asking too much from a $6/m cable  :P  BTW, all other bros pls do comment as well  ;)

But then, after replacing the 1313A you might also want to change the interconnects to Belden 1505A. It matches very well.  ;D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: cn9601 on October 19, 2007, 17:33
But then, after replacing the 1313A you might also want to change the interconnects to Belden 1505A. It matches very well.  ;D

You and hifiluv MUST BE working for Belden or major shareholders. I smell consipracy in this post  ;) Hopefully tis Belden poison is well worth it - not the money (bcos its cheap compared to those 'ahem' brands), but the TIME and EFFORT that I must crawl and dig thru my display cabinets..... 8)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: Transworld on October 19, 2007, 17:38
You and hifiluv MUST BE working for Belden or major shareholders. I smell consipracy in this post  ;) Hopefully tis Belden poison is well worth it - not the money (bcos its cheap compared to those 'ahem' brands), but the TIME and EFFORT that I must crawl and dig thru my display cabinets..... 8)

You are fully invited to my place for a listen, no gimicks. Listening is believing.  :)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on October 19, 2007, 18:05
If 1313A can beat XT350, must let me know man!  :o :o

i hv both, the XT350 is detailed but bright (even with tube amp), the 1313A is detailed but warm,  ;)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on October 19, 2007, 18:08
You and hifiluv MUST BE working for Belden or major shareholders. I smell consipracy in this post  ;) Hopefully tis Belden poison is well worth it - not the money (bcos its cheap compared to those 'ahem' brands), but the TIME and EFFORT that I must crawl and dig thru my display cabinets..... 8)

LOL.... if u read the start of this thread, blame it on the anticable who started it all.... ;D
as for being shareholder for Belden, how i wish.... then i don't hv to eat my food with sweat on my brow........ :P

ahem...i say again for $6/mtr, no harm to try lah...you may be plesantly surprise,  ;)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on October 19, 2007, 18:20
Bro, I've used audioquest Type 4 (single run) before. In relative terms, its considered quite warm sounding, compared to a model of belden cable (not the 1313A) which I've used before.  Maybe bro hifiluv can help me recall the model of belden? as i have forgotten.  I've not tried a 1313A before, but I doubt it'll be warmer sounding that your audioquest type 4, if thats what you are looking for.  You can also try re-positioning your speakers and adjust the toe-ins to see if it helps to tame the brightness abit.   

Tks to Ben, its the Belden 8473, which i m still using for my centre,  :) 
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: Heng on October 19, 2007, 18:45
i hv both, the XT350 is detailed but bright (even with tube amp), the 1313A is detailed but warm,  ;)

 :o :o :o

Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: benzx on October 19, 2007, 21:33
Tks to Ben, its the Belden 8473, which i m still using for my centre,  :) 

Don't mention it bro, the banana plugs you passed me probably cost more than the belden.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: cn9601 on October 21, 2007, 16:12
OK, bros of Belden poison, after spending 2 days of crawling and digging, I have finally drugged myself with Belden 1313A (biwired stereo cum HT Front spkrs, and Ctr spk) and Belden 1695A Digital Coax. Conclusion.........

After abt 2hrs of burn-in using the Kharam Burn-In CD,

Pop in George Lam LPCD45 track 10, instruments are a little more discrete and his vocal is quite forward and isolated. SACD Dire Straits' Money for Nothing is quite punchy. So generally, I have now a little more detail and punch. But most importantly, the BRIGHTNESS is quite tame. Will have to play Sally LPCD45 to check the BRIGHTNESS - tis the disc tat sounds quite ear piercing.

For HT, play We Were Soldiers, the chopters are more majestic and the arty salvo is as realistic as my NS experience  ;D  (now watching Pete's Dragon DVD, the dragon sounds cuter  :D jokin)

BUT strangely, there is a loss of ard 5-10db of volume level. Dun know it is bcos it is 10AWG copper strands, or yet to Burn-In myth  ::) For eg., previously for HT, listening level is -12db, now hav to pump up to ard -6db  ???

So....so as a raw start, u cant fault tis cable at all  :o  It is still 'a little good here and there', hopefully it will improve over time, as proclaimed by bros in tis thread :P

Will I recommend tis cable?  IMO, for Audioquest Type 4 (or QED XT350), mai tu liao, save the money and go for tis cable at more than half the cost of those 'ahem' brand.

All said and done, tis cable luckily matches my stereo and HT characters, and more luckily rather than amplifying the BRIGHTNESS, Belden helps to tame it.

Bro benz, tks very much for your offer. Normally, I cant audition AV stuff bcos of cabinet furniture. I rely A LOT on XP forum, once poisoned by bros, I tend to go, buy, install and use. Also, I need at least 3m. THANK U again ;)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: zapp on October 21, 2007, 18:25
lol...self poison :p

But 1313 solid la...all tks to Hifiluv bro venture to LHS
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: Heng on October 21, 2007, 20:12
Will I recommend tis cable?  IMO, for Audioquest Type 4 (or QED XT350), mai tu liao, save the money and go for tis cable at more than half the cost of those 'ahem' brand.

Wow! Impressive indeed!! Imagine for a single run, XT350 actually costs 5 times more than 1313A!!! Must try it 1 day... :P

Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: black tortoise on October 21, 2007, 22:43
Hi cn9601,

You use Belden 1313A for centre speaker also?

OK, bros of Belden poison, after spending 2 days of crawling and digging, I have finally drugged myself with Belden 1313A (biwired stereo cum HT Front spkrs, and Ctr spk) and Belden 1695A Digital Coax. Conclusion.........

After abt 2hrs of burn-in using the Kharam Burn-In CD,

Pop in George Lam LPCD45 track 10, instruments are a little more discrete and his vocal is quite forward and isolated. SACD Dire Straits' Money for Nothing is quite punchy. So generally, I have now a little more detail and punch. But most importantly, the BRIGHTNESS is quite tame. Will have to play Sally LPCD45 to check the BRIGHTNESS - tis the disc tat sounds quite ear piercing.

For HT, play We Were Soldiers, the chopters are more majestic and the arty salvo is as realistic as my NS experience  ;D  (now watching Pete's Dragon DVD, the dragon sounds cuter  :D jokin)

BUT strangely, there is a loss of ard 5-10db of volume level. Dun know it is bcos it is 10AWG copper strands, or yet to Burn-In myth  ::) For eg., previously for HT, listening level is -12db, now hav to pump up to ard -6db  ???

So....so as a raw start, u cant fault tis cable at all  :o  It is still 'a little good here and there', hopefully it will improve over time, as proclaimed by bros in tis thread :P

Will I recommend tis cable?  IMO, for Audioquest Type 4 (or QED XT350), mai tu liao, save the money and go for tis cable at more than half the cost of those 'ahem' brand.

All said and done, tis cable luckily matches my stereo and HT characters, and more luckily rather than amplifying the BRIGHTNESS, Belden helps to tame it.

Bro benz, tks very much for your offer. Normally, I cant audition AV stuff bcos of cabinet furniture. I rely A LOT on XP forum, once poisoned by bros, I tend to go, buy, install and use. Also, I need at least 3m. THANK U again ;)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: cn9601 on October 21, 2007, 22:52
Hi cn9601,

You use Belden 1313A for centre speaker also?


No discredit to bro hifiluv recommendation, but it's suggested by Robert to have common cable type for Front & Ctr. Anyway, after plus here, plus there, eg. I ask for some jumper cables, I end up sufficient cable length to run 5 x 3m of 1313A  ;D BTW, the HT Front L/R are Pre-Out to Int Amp. So I use 4 x 1313A to biwire from Int Amp (with A & B Outputs).
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: khakis359 on October 21, 2007, 23:05

Hi.. cn9601, r u using 1313a as jumper cable? thanx :D

No discredit to bro hifiluv recommendation, but it's suggested by Robert to have common cable type for Front & Ctr. Anyway, after plus here, plus there, eg. I ask for some jumper cables, I end up sufficient cable length to run 5 x 3m of 1313A  ;D BTW, the HT Front L/R are Pre-Out to Int Amp. So I use 4 x 1313A to biwire from Int Amp (with A & B Outputs).

Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: cn9601 on October 21, 2007, 23:10
Hi.. cn9601, r u using 1313a as jumper cable? thanx :D

No. The stereo spkrs (also HT Front L/R) are biwired with 1313A. Then single run cable 1313A for Ctr to Onkyo Receiver. The Surr L/R are jumpered using Monster Std 12 cables, though.

Maybe the thicker AWG 10 over Audioquest Type 4 (biwire ready, but has 2 x thicker copper core and 2 x thinner copper core) has helped a little, or it's just I try to hear so  ;)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: black tortoise on October 22, 2007, 09:10
No. The stereo spkrs (also HT Front L/R) are biwired with 1313A. Then single run cable 1313A for Ctr to Onkyo Receiver. The Surr L/R are jumpered using Monster Std 12 cables, though.

Maybe the thicker AWG 10 over Audioquest Type 4 (biwire ready, but has 2 x thicker copper core and 2 x thinner copper core) has helped a little, or it's just I try to hear so  ;)

Thanks for the clarification. I was also thinking of bi-wire my stereo system. Can you share with me the type of termination u use for the amp end. I assume the termination at the speaker end should be 4 x banana plug. And also what is the cost double run cable with termination? Thanks in advance.  :)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: cn9601 on October 22, 2007, 10:10
I was also thinking of bi-wire my stereo system. Can you share with me the type of termination u use for the amp end. I assume the termination at the speaker end should be 4 x banana plug.

Hi, *black tortoise*. Usually, IMO for DIY cables, if there's no issue for you to go RAW termination, you should. But RAW issue is of cos the oxidation prob. Tats y I tend to get 'long enuiff' cable length, so that I could 'periodically' trim the cable.

For 1313A, it is a challenge bcos of its 10AWG. So I have NO choice but to use banana plug to terminate it at the Int Amp. Even tat, as I couldnt screw in completely tiny screw, I couldnt put back the plug plastic cover.

At the Spkrs, I could terminate RAW.

By yr quest, I assume yr amp oni has ONE spk channel. Chk out Page 8 of this thread you will see HOW to bi-wire. For my Int Amp, it has 2 Spkr Output Channels (A & B). So I could run 2 pairs of 1313A.

Actually, whether bi-wire will yield good sonic is quite subjective. Robert@LHS recommends single run cable, but I insist to go with bi-wire  ;D

And also what is the cost double run cable with termination?

Bro, is tis a test quest  ???   Double run cable = x2 of single cable cost mah
My cost:
15m x 1313A = 15m x $6 = $90.
Then I cut it into 5 x 3m (x4 to biwire, and x1 for single run Ctr Spkr)

3 sets of banana plugs x $7.5 = $22.50 (bought it at B1 near escalator)

1.5m x 1695A with RCA terminator = $22.80 (think 1695A is $9/m)
Tis Digital Coax for CDP to Onkyo Rcv, juz to try digital coax  ;)

The QED XT350 (4 x 3m with 'high class' banana plugs) will cost me $400. Compared to 1313A at $90, you can do the math   ;D  For my kind of below average system, Belden is really value for money stuff. FYI, even the 1m Chord Cobra3 Interconnect cost more than tis  ::)

Once again, 1313A is AWG10 and the copper is damn heavy man (!). As reported in my earlier post, there's a loss of ard 5-10db volume level. And terminating 1313A at spkr or amp can be a challenge. So you ought to know yr system and you may have to consider the other Belden cables to fit yr system. Juz my opinion  :P
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: TubeBoy on October 22, 2007, 17:56
I am using 1313A with my levinson equipment and it works like a dream.  Do not frown upon the 1313A.  This is my best buy of the year considering I downgraded from XLO signature speaker cables to 1313A.  I would love to experiment with the configuration of the cables and try to put in a shield, so that it becomes quieter.

Anyone here knows how to DIY a shield for speaker cables? 
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: benzx on October 22, 2007, 23:46
hmm... wrap with aluminium foil? or better still, copper foil?
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: Transworld on October 23, 2007, 05:33
Anyone here knows how to DIY a shield for speaker cables? 

You can buy metal shieldings from LHS. Got different diameters to choose from.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: cn9601 on October 23, 2007, 10:11
You can buy metal shieldings from LHS. Got different diameters to choose from.

Wah....another poison  :o  Sorie, pls posion me 'What is Metal Shieldings?' Block noise (or static noise)  ???  Or shield from oxidation  ???
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: kj87 on October 24, 2007, 00:16
to terminate the amp end with banana plugs, would you need a solder? will be getting cables this weekend probably....

also for interconnects and neutrik plugs, as well as power cables, can LHS do the entire thing for me, or i just get the parts for DIY?

thanks!
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: cn9601 on October 24, 2007, 01:20
banana plug is juz screwed down the RAW braided copper  ;D  It is a simple DIY. Otherwise, you could always request LHS to package everything - they have everythng to do all the things.

For the digital coax, they have done up everything, ie. with the RCA.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on October 24, 2007, 08:10
if using screw on plugs, get those with at least 2 screws to hold down cable, becos the 1313A is a thick one.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: black tortoise on October 24, 2007, 11:26
Hi,

Do LHS provide service to terminate the cable to spade?
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: cn9601 on October 24, 2007, 11:31
Bro, get all your answers at, including quotations. He is very friendly (maybe a little impatient over the phone - very good biz mah) to tell you everything  ;D

Robert
LHS Electronics Enterprise
#02-02 Sim Lim Tower
Tel: 6293 2242
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: sty on October 24, 2007, 16:48
Bro, get all your answers at, including quotations. He is very friendly (maybe a little impatient over the phone - very good biz mah) to tell you everything  ;D

Robert
LHS Electronics Enterprise
#02-02 Sim Lim Tower
Tel: 6293 2242


Yes. Very friendly guy.  :)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: Assys1606 on October 24, 2007, 23:01
After abt 2hrs of burn-in using the Kharam Burn-In CD,


Hi, will using the Kharam burn-in CD damage anything? Is it effective? It's meant for speedy run-in for any new hi-fi & HT components, right? Have u tried other brand of burn-in CD?
Thanks!
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: cn9601 on October 25, 2007, 14:08
Hi, will using the Kharam burn-in CD damage anything? Is it effective? It's meant for speedy run-in for any new hi-fi & HT components, right? Have u tried other brand of burn-in CD?
Thanks!

Hi Assys1606, it is getting OT, so I decide to open a new thread at: http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=48876.0

Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: Assys1606 on October 25, 2007, 22:22
Hi Assys1606, it is getting OT, so I decide to open a new thread at: http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=48876.0


Thanks for the input.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: maverick1970 on November 13, 2007, 11:14
Wow. Really appreciate the input from this thread. Good to learn from all the gurus.

Need some advice. Newbie, so please bear with me.

Have a Mission Cyrus 2 (good old workhorse, but only standard rca input plugs) connected to a pair of B&W 603S3.

Music tastes - mostly old style jazz, Three Blind Mice, classical.

Would really appreciate recommendations on speaker cables and ic for this particular setup. Thinking of 1313 (w jumpers) and 89207 for the ic with Neutrik plugs.

Thanks in advance.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on November 13, 2007, 12:20
at $6/mtr can try it out and see how is the matching. for jumpers, just cut a short strip of the same wire.  i m doing tat now with my Diamond 9.1 and sound is just fine.

for IC, i hv heard both the Belden 89207 and Klotz GY107, i prefer the Klotz, being more balanced, at least to my ears, i find the Belden a bit harsh, even tho it throws out better details.  either way, yes, get the Neutrick plugs

 :)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: maverick1970 on November 13, 2007, 13:18
Thanks so much for the quick reply.

Will head down to LHS and check it out. Will update on progress of setup.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: cn9601 on November 13, 2007, 14:10
for IC, i hv heard both the Belden 89207 and Klotz GY107, i prefer the Klotz, being more balanced, at least to my ears, i find the Belden a bit harsh, even tho it throws out better details. 

I have Belden 1695A Digital Coax. Not really impressive. Juz a little-little-bit more dynamic than the RCA analog  :-[
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: maverick1970 on November 13, 2007, 15:00
Just went down to LHS to pick up the stuff.

Seems the Klotz are out. Robert recommended the Canare GS-6 - apparantly same, if not better specs than the GY107.

Will test it out to see.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: spells on November 13, 2007, 19:34
Quote
Just went down to LHS to pick up the stuff.

Seems the Klotz are out. Robert recommended the Canare GS-6 - apparantly same, if not better specs than the GY107.

I went there yesterday also same recommedation from robert

i also using cyrus 2 same as you maverick1970  :P

wah liao the power cord cable so STIFF sia the Belden 83803 "red color"
my son say i stole the power cord from Hospital coz the plug read  "hospital property"

After using the Canare GS-6 + Neutrik Profi plugs no diff le in sound  :'(
maybe need to dig ears
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: maverick1970 on November 13, 2007, 20:43
Hiya Spells,

Guess we'll all need to burn them all in.

Terminated my ic with the Neutrik Profi (seems to work really well).

Noticing almost immediate clarity and deeper soundstaging.

Used the following setup:

Source (CEC 3100) --> Canare GS-6 (Profi plugs) --> Cyrus 2 --> 1313 --> B&W 603 with 1313 jumpers.

Hoping the burn-in will really help open up everything, but must say i am already quite impressed with the difference.

Maybe this is another case where the laojiao's will confirm that system synergy is critical.

Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: domho8 on November 13, 2007, 20:51
system synergy is critical.



Once u hv system snynergy, its uber SIOK!!! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: spells on November 13, 2007, 20:56
maverick1970

we got the same amp, same connectors, same speaker cables

RCD-955ax-->Canare GS-6 (Profi plugs) --> Cyrus 2 -->Belden (unknow type)-->subWoofer--->1313A----->speakers

Haven try the tube MP5 & the "STIFF" power cord
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on November 14, 2007, 17:18
Hiya Spells,

Guess we'll all need to burn them all in.

Terminated my ic with the Neutrik Profi (seems to work really well).

Noticing almost immediate clarity and deeper soundstaging.

Used the following setup:

Source (CEC 3100) --> Canare GS-6 (Profi plugs) --> Cyrus 2 --> 1313 --> B&W 603 with 1313 jumpers.

Hoping the burn-in will really help open up everything, but must say i am already quite impressed with the difference.

Maybe this is another case where the laojiao's will confirm that system synergy is critical.

if u play 2-3 hrs a day, u will definitely hear a difference (maturing sound) in approx 10-14 days'
time, tat was my experience with the 1313A  :)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: bwiriady on November 19, 2007, 18:57
I'm using klotz 425 biwire. Anyone have exp on this cable ? Compared to belden 1313a ?
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: stanly on November 20, 2007, 11:17
Thinking of using the 1313A for surround duties.....i wonder anyone use it for surround?? And hows the performance??  ???
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: zapp on November 20, 2007, 11:44
I think the 1313 is VERY thick and hard to manuver around bends, cant hide under carpet etc. and it will be a waste of good wire to run for surrounds only..
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: XProfessionalX on November 20, 2007, 13:35
Canare GS-6/Klotz GY107 with Canare F10 plugs is it ok ? Do not have that much for Profi plugs as i am also getting power cord.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: Desperado on November 20, 2007, 15:59
Canare GS-6/Klotz GY107 with Canare F10 plugs is it ok ? Do not have that much for Profi plugs as i am also getting power cord.

If on budget, get the cheap Neutrik, silvery in color, LHS selling them for S$10/10 pcs.
Sounds not bad at all. In my system, it loses slighty in imaging, but the music liveliness is better than Neutrik Profi.

I prefer the cheap Neutriks for my interconnects (either cd-> pre or pre -> amp). Has relegate the Neutrik Profi for Digital coax with Mogami.

And  this coax digital cable (Mogami + Neutrik Profi) is much better than Denon Link or the glass toslink cable from the MO.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: stanly on November 20, 2007, 20:41
I think the 1313 is VERY thick and hard to manuver around bends, cant hide under carpet etc. and it will be a waste of good wire to run for surrounds only..

Whats your recommendations??  ;)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: zapp on November 20, 2007, 21:23
I think quite a number of bros have asked this qns b4 - do a search :p

Off my head i can remember seeing a QED flat wire, Canare 4S8. Frankly speaking, IMHO surround cables requirements are really not that impt - i am using cheapo MIC thin gauge wires for my Surround back speakers :p cos they were easy to run and cheap. If cost not a major factor can go branded.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: benzx on November 20, 2007, 21:52
Canare GS-6/Klotz GY107 with Canare F10 plugs is it ok ? Do not have that much for Profi plugs as i am also getting power cord.

Get the profi plugs and hold for the powercord.  The profi does make a difference, on GY107. On other type of cable I don't know.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hca2 on November 20, 2007, 22:55
belden 1313a vs anti-cable which is good?
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: Mindfield on November 22, 2007, 10:04
I have to chime in: the cheapo Neutrik silver RCA plugs sound terrible on the GY107. Realllly bad.
I'm not even sure if they are authentic Neutrik. They used to come gold plated but not anymore.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: hifiluv on November 22, 2007, 10:23
go for the Profi plugs, $50/4pc, its a worthwhile investment.  i tried using the Canare plugs, $28/4pc, the sound don't even come close.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: Desperado on November 22, 2007, 10:56
I have to chime in: the cheapo Neutrik silver RCA plugs sound terrible on the GY107. Realllly bad.
I'm not even sure if they are authentic Neutrik. They used to come gold plated but not anymore.

Agreed that the gold plate version (with black body) sounds terrible.
I do have Profi and cheaper version Neutrik (silvery body and connector) connectors with GY107, and my experience with the cheaper ones are good, only lose slightly to Profi.
Maybe it is system matching that it sounds bad in yours......
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: SteveLim on November 23, 2007, 09:23
Read that a lot is said about PVC being about the worst dielectric for insulation on audio cables.
Anyone, tried removing the Outer Insulation of the 1313A which is PVC ?   ;)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: Solid-State on November 25, 2007, 12:08
Hi Everyone!

Great thread regarding Belden's 13xxA line of xxxX34 standed speaker cable. I was wondering if anyone can post experience with Belden's 1311A it's 12AWG 168x34 cable and these days 12AWG seems to be the most common of the box store brands.

Solid-State
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: birdy75 on February 16, 2008, 17:28
Hi everyone,

I'm a newbie in this area.

I would like to know whether 1313a is suitable for my setup.

Marantz SR4001
Front speakers: Mission E32

Thank you for your advice in advance!
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: pcking on February 16, 2008, 17:51
What speaker cables r U currently using now ?

If they're thinner than the Belden 1313a which is 10AWG, I'm pretty sure it will be an improvement.  ;)

Hi everyone,

I'm a newbie in this area.

I would like to know whether 1313a is suitable for my setup.

Marantz SR4001
Front speakers: Mission E32

Thank you for your advice in advance!
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: kwhv on February 17, 2008, 00:52
Read that a lot is said about PVC being about the worst dielectric for insulation on audio cables.
Anyone, tried removing the Outer Insulation of the 1313A which is PVC ?   ;)

Hmm... not sure it matters that much since it's the outer layer. The insulation layer that is in direct contact with the conductor is the most important.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: birdy75 on February 17, 2008, 03:31
I'm using Monster Cable S16 (Standard Sixteen Gauge) - 1.3mmG
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: pcking on February 17, 2008, 10:50
So you r currently using Monster Cable S16 which is only 16 AWG. Usually 16 AWG is more suitable for surrounds.
For mains, I will recommend at least 12 AWG.
As compared to 1313a which is a 10 AWG, your current monster cable is way to thin.

I am quite sure U will get an improvement once U change to the Belden 1313a or even the 1311a which is slightly thinner at 12AWG. 

I'm using Monster Cable S16 (Standard Sixteen Gauge) - 1.3mmG

Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: synthesis on February 17, 2008, 12:43
So you r currently using Monster Cable S16 which is only 16 AWG. Usually 16 AWG is more suitable for surrounds.
For mains, I will recommend at least 12 AWG.
As compared to 1313a which is a 10 AWG, your current monster cable is way to thin.

I am quite sure U will get an improvement once U change to the Belden 1313a or even the 1311a which is slightly thinner at 12AWG. 


Hhmmm... I would recommend the other way: at least awg 16 for main and awg 14 or thicker for surround due to distance. Cable resistance increases over a distance. Personally I don't tweak the sound by changing cable and I'm using Monster standard also.  ;) Anyway can try...   
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: DJQ on February 27, 2008, 10:20
Belden 1313A, 1311A, 1309A and 1307A. 10awg 12awg 14awg 16awg respectively. only the 1st 3 belden mentions for Audio only. although not nessasory to have thicker wires for surround but its good to have. the 1313A is remarkable really brings out your L/R speakers SQ. compare them to any thinner wires a 16awg 1307A you hear the difference.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: cn9601 on February 29, 2008, 10:19
A little OT. Thinking of getting a pair of 3m Composite RCA (Red/White) Interconnect to connect Oppo 980H to Audiolab 8000A. Hopefully with 'warmer' characteristics. Any recommendation that I may ask from Robert@LHS? Belden? Or Canare?

Tks  :)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: media2368 on February 29, 2008, 10:33


Hhmmm... I would recommend the other way: at least awg 16 for main and awg 14 or thicker for surround due to distance. Cable resistance increases over a distance. Personally I don't tweak the sound by changing cable and I'm using Monster standard also.  ;) Anyway can try...   

Agree with you to use thicker for surround...if possible use awg 12.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: Darthfunk on February 29, 2008, 10:37
A little OT. Thinking of getting a pair of 3m Composite RCA (Red/White) Interconnect to connect Oppo 980H to Audiolab 8000A. Hopefully with 'warmer' characteristics. Any recommendation that I may ask from Robert@LHS? Belden? Or Canare?

Tks  :)

Speak to Patrick and get him to customise the interconnect for you. Whats your budget?

He customise this pair of interconnects for me Canare LV 77 with Belden 8214.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: cn9601 on February 29, 2008, 13:43
Tks again bro. Budget shld not be an issue, bcos @ LHS pricing will be way-way cheaper than QED. Just hoping to get some ideas from bros (like yrself) that have tried and used such I/C  :)

Speak to Patrick and get him to customise the interconnect for you. Whats your budget?

He customise this pair of interconnects for me Canare LV 77 with Belden 8214.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: widget on February 29, 2008, 20:09
I just joined Belden 1313A fan club this afternoon. ;D
Got myself a 2m pair of this cable.
Also asked Robert to have his chap terminates the cable with the z-plug (Nordost clone) banana plugs.
Will use this cable to break-in my new speakers when I receive them tomorrow noon.
Once the speakers are properly break-in, then will start for cable hunting again.

My other spare cable is Canare 4S11 but too lazy to unscrew the banana plugs at the speaker's end as my new speaker is non-biwire version.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: zengjia on February 29, 2008, 20:49
I just joined Belden 1313A fan club this afternoon. ;D
Got myself a 2m pair of this cable.
Also asked Robert to have his chap terminates the cable with the z-plug (Nordost clone) banana plugs.
Will use this cable to break-in my new speakers when I receive them tomorrow noon.
Once the speakers are properly break-in, then will start for cable hunting again.

My other spare cable is Canare 4S11 but too lazy to unscrew the banana plugs at the speaker's end as my new speaker is non-biwire version.


wat speakers u using? actually i also a bit gian to change to belden 1313A from canare 4s11 but i m afraid it may be too bright for my setup using RS1. though hifiluv would probably say its cheap go for a try but i m terribly broke now. meanwhile just save money while keeping eye on this thread.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: widget on February 29, 2008, 21:38
wat speakers u using? actually i also a bit gian to change to belden 1313A from canare 4s11 but i m afraid it may be too bright for my setup using RS1. though hifiluv would probably say its cheap go for a try but i m terribly broke now. meanwhile just save money while keeping eye on this thread.

If money a bit tight, hold your horses for now.
You can buy 2nd-hand 1313A if some brothers here got tired of playing with them.
If you can get those bare-end (non-terminated), lagi best coz it'll be cheaper.

Paid $48 to Robert as he charged me $3 per banana plug plus termination and heat shrink.
Too lazy to do it myself as hurt my fingers when I self-terminate the 4s11.
The bare cable only $24, so maybe you can get a used one for $15-20 for 2m pair ;D?
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: zengjia on February 29, 2008, 23:08
If money a bit tight, hold your horses for now.
You can buy 2nd-hand 1313A if some brothers here got tired of playing with them.
If you can get those bare-end (non-terminated), lagi best coz it'll be cheaper.

Paid $48 to Robert as he charged me $3 per banana plug plus termination and heat shrink.
Too lazy to do it myself as hurt my fingers when I self-terminate the 4s11.
The bare cable only $24, so maybe you can get a used one for $15-20 for 2m pair ;D?

ya i actually looking for bros who are sick of this gem and selling but so far no luck. i using barewire now. went LHS to buy 4 banana plugs for neatness sake terminated on my own so cheaper. hee... anyway do give a review when u do the swap  ;D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: civicguy on March 01, 2008, 11:17
ya i actually looking for bros who are sick of this gem and selling but so far no luck. i using barewire now. went LHS to buy 4 banana plugs for neatness sake terminated on my own so cheaper. hee... anyway do give a review when u do the swap  ;D

Hard lah.. i still have mine for quite a while and still love it :)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: sty on March 01, 2008, 11:22
Just sold my 2 metre bare wire pair sometime ago to a nice gentleman. Still have a pair of terminated 2.5 metre pair hookup to my mission 780se with my cambridge 540A n Rotel RCD 02. Sibei song man :).
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: zengjia on March 02, 2008, 15:10
Just sold my 2 metre bare wire pair sometime ago to a nice gentleman. Still have a pair of terminated 2.5 metre pair hookup to my mission 780se with my cambridge 540A n Rotel RCD 02. Sibei song man :).
Hard lah.. i still have mine for quite a while and still love it :)

wah make me more and more gian.... haha. think gonna give it a shot once i saved enuff money. haha
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: cbs on March 02, 2008, 16:11
Hi,

I am new to the cable world. So Please advise.

I am using 1313A (2 metre) for spks and 1694a (1 metre) for analogue audio.

One question:

After buying raw cables from LHS, I assembled them at home. But because of greater thickness of these cables, I was unable to put these cables with my existing RCA connectors and banana plugs. As a result, I had to remove the PVC cover from both these cables (about one inch on both sides) to fit into my connectors. However, I had put the normal tape (typically used at home to joint the electricity cables) to shield the removed PVC cover on both ends.

So my question is: would there be any loss of signal because of what I have done? And whether that would contribute in poor audio perfromance at my end?

warmly

Chan
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: cn9601 on March 03, 2008, 10:02
If you dun hear anything, then it is obvious that there is no good contact when you 'manually' terminate these cables at the banana plug / RCA connector = loss of signal. This is straight forward.

The ambiguity is about 'poor audio performance'. Generally, we know copper main 'enemy' is oxidation, and this will gradually degrade the audio performance. Having LHS to terminate the cable may slow the oxidation process. I think using the typical black/red tape will help a little.

Me? I like it BARE  ;D  My 1313A is terminated BARE at the spkrs end, but terminated with 'cheapo' bananas at amp end. IMO, unless you could professionally terminated these cables, ie. something like vaccum seal or silver-coat or solder....., copper cable will still oxidise. Once a while, like every 3-6mths, I will 'trim' the cables (Belden cable is cheap enuiff to cut away  ;D ) or use Craig Pro-Gold to 'wash' the cable  :D

Bro, just ensure a GOOD CONTACT, and sit back and enjoy. I wouldnt worry too much about audio degrade. (If you open up your amp, CDP, power cord.....oxidation is already taking place  ;) )



So my question is: would there be any loss of signal because of what I have done? And whether that would contribute in poor audio perfromance at my end?
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: cbs on March 03, 2008, 13:13
Many thanks for sharing your views and feedback. I was not aware of these important things.

Now it is very clear. I good contact is essential. I would do so.

warmly

cbs
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: ruzhyo on March 18, 2008, 22:15
Did anyone here did a mod with Patrick of LHS using the 1313A and silver cable and twisting.

Any reviews?
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: warmasterhorus11 on March 18, 2008, 22:54
Did anyone here did a mod with Patrick of LHS using the 1313A and silver cable and twisting.

Any reviews?

You can trust Patrick on his professional workmanship. His recommendation is good, no regrets.

Cheers ;D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: ruzhyo on March 19, 2008, 22:28
In fact I just did the mod and I guess I have to run in the cables again.

So far I am happy with the results.  Tighter base and more rounded treble with the same details.

Sounds also louder!

Just want to see if others have the same results.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: imbest on March 20, 2008, 00:16
how much is the price now huh? is it suitable for SPDIF as well?

is it recommended for 6-8 ohm speakers?
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: pcking on March 20, 2008, 06:34
Bro, what has speaker cable got to do with SPDIF  ???

There is no such thing as specific cables for different impedance.   :o 

how much is the price now huh? is it suitable for SPDIF as well?

is it recommended for 6-8 ohm speakers?
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: imbest on March 21, 2008, 11:46
Bro, what has speaker cable got to do with SPDIF  ???

There is no such thing as specific cables for different impedance.   :o 


Coaxial SPDIF, I am wondering I can use this cable for that lar, is it very different from those component cable we use for video?

impedance ah, I saw this webby having a table between impedance and wire size lor: http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm#wiretable
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: pcking on March 21, 2008, 13:49
Digital Coaxial cable can also be used as component cables (with 3 cables). A good budget one will be the Belden 1694a.
Impedance for this purpose is 75 Ohms. 

Coaxial SPDIF, I am wondering I can use this cable for that lar, is it very different from those component cable we use for video?

impedance ah, I saw this webby having a table between impedance and wire size lor: http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm#wiretable
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: imbest on June 03, 2008, 16:20
Belden 1313A, 1311A, 1309A and 1307A. 10awg 12awg 14awg 16awg respectively. only the 1st 3 belden mentions for Audio only. although not nessasory to have thicker wires for surround but its good to have. the 1313A is remarkable really brings out your L/R speakers SQ. compare them to any thinner wires a 16awg 1307A you hear the difference.

is it true that 1313A and 1311A has almost no difference?
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: jmartins on June 05, 2008, 00:56

Hi,

Anybody compare the belden 1313A with the belden 5T00UP ??


tks,
Joao
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: jerms on June 08, 2008, 01:16
Hi,

Anybody compare the belden 1313A with the belden 5T00UP ??


tks,
Joao

yep, both are good ultralow-DC resistance cables that can give better results that the branded snakes.  the 5T00UP uses better quality tough-pitch copper than the 1313A.  in many systems, this translates into a more natural sound, better details & less fatigue.  but again, this can be different from system to system.  both cables respond to ultimate termination like the WBT Nextgen 0681 spades.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: jayou on June 17, 2008, 14:06
Just dropped by LHS to pick up some 1313A and had a chat with Patrick.  I was told by him that for those who want to upgrade their 1313A, he can do a good job with added shielding and adding some silver wires for better soundstage.

Anyone had the chance to try this yet?  It seems like not a cheap upgrade though.  I was told it was selling like hotcakes when he was in HK.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: Speedsun on June 17, 2008, 14:11
wow....sounds nice...but how to add silver wires ??
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: jayou on June 17, 2008, 14:23
Not sure too ... but I know it cost about $250 for 3 m run pair.  So abit curious how it sound like.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: Speedsun on June 17, 2008, 14:31
wah!....modify a cable that cuz only $6/m to $90 per metre is ermhmm...
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: SonQ on June 23, 2008, 11:18
Just dropped by LHS to pick up some 1313A and had a chat with Patrick.  I was told by him that for those who want to upgrade their 1313A, he can do a good job with added shielding and adding some silver wires for better soundstage.

Anyone had the chance to try this yet?  It seems like not a cheap upgrade though.  I was told it was selling like hotcakes when he was in HK.

Is it just applicable to the 1313 or 5T00UP too? 
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: ruzhyo on June 30, 2008, 19:37
It take 1 week to do depend on the length u hv and the numbers of orders he hv on hand.

maybe u wana try juz on the L/R speakers before u commit to all 5.1 or 7.1 for HT.



I did the mod sometime back.  Its expensive due to my 7m pair.  But worth the $$. 
I enjoy it very much.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: warmasterhorus11 on June 30, 2008, 20:01
I did the mod sometime back.  Its expensive due to my 7m pair.  But worth the $$. 
I enjoy it very much.

ooo so are u the wan Patrick was telling me on someone did a 7m upgrade. hehehe  ;D... enjoy the 1313a mann  ;)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: jayou on June 30, 2008, 20:36
I did the mod sometime back.  Its expensive due to my 7m pair.  But worth the $$. 
I enjoy it very much.

If you don't mind, could you describe what difference in SQ did you experience after the mod please?   :D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: ruzhyo on July 16, 2008, 10:18
Yeah I guess I am the joker who did the 7m mod hahaha

Sorry took me so long to reply, as I was busy enjoying my music, hahaha

Well, 1st time I replug in the mod cables, I almost cry.  The sound become very sharp and hard.  Almost cannot listen.  So sad.

But no choice, spend so much, continue to listen loh.  But after a few days of continous playing (24/7) on mixed volume of both hi and low volume.

Sound very much better!  The hardness is gone.  The details suddenly appear out of no where.  I can listen at lower volume with much much better details and sweetness.  The background also become silent. 

Worth the $$.   

Give it a try!
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: sonofdbn on March 05, 2010, 10:29
This thread is old, but perhaps so much the better: are people still happy with the Belden 1313a cables?
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: seanyzf on March 05, 2010, 12:01
Good cables but I sold it off for Belden Studio 814.  ;D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: jerms on March 05, 2010, 16:02
sold off both 814 & 1313 for the 5T00UP
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: seanyzf on March 05, 2010, 16:48
sold off both 814 & 1313 for the 5T00UP

Hi where and how much did you get your Belden 5T00UP? Is it only for JDM?
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: ruzhyo on March 05, 2010, 17:06
Gave away my 7m pair of mod 1313A and got myself some QED79

Much cheaper, much better, much more happy.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: sty on March 05, 2010, 18:35
sold off both 814 & 1313 for the 5T00UP
can I only find this cable in japan? I will in Osaka end of this month so maybe can buy some back to try. Thanks.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: francis woo on March 05, 2010, 21:32
can I only find this cable in japan? I will in Osaka end of this month so maybe can buy some back to try. Thanks.

You can get them in Yodobashi's........... :D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: sty on March 06, 2010, 00:57
You can get them in Yodobashi's........... :D
Thanks bro. Guess there will be nothing much to buy in japan except for the above cables n some second hand cd's.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: jerms on March 06, 2010, 01:17
Hi where and how much did you get your Belden 5T00UP? Is it only for JDM?

ask LHS, but u might have to collect from their kallang warehouse.

u won't regret it, it puts to shade the other Beldens.

if it impresses u well enough, u might wanna start a thread on this baby.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: francis woo on March 06, 2010, 09:51
Thanks bro. Guess there will be nothing much to buy in japan except for the above cables n some second hand cd's.

hahaha, you must be kidding!!!...Yodobashis' stock most audio items (low to hi-end), you can get practically everything you need there.  Only problem is the exchange rate is not so favourable now.  I remember a couple of years back when the Yen was about 78 to a Sin dollar, I grabbed cables, Toac and Harmonix accessories, cartridges,etc.,etc.....happy shopping ;D ;D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: domho8 on March 06, 2010, 10:22
Francis is the blue color cable u got fr me. Tks  ;D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: sonofdbn on March 06, 2010, 10:53
LHS has 5TU00P in SLT; I think it's $6 per metre while 1313A is $7 per metre. Can't remember the exact numbers but I remember thinking that 1313A costs $1 per metre more.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: sty on March 06, 2010, 17:03
hahaha, you must be kidding!!!...Yodobashis' stock most audio items (low to hi-end), you can get practically everything you need there.  Only problem is the exchange rate is not so favourable now.  I remember a couple of years back when the Yen was about 78 to a Sin dollar, I grabbed cables, Toac and Harmonix accessories, cartridges,etc.,etc.....happy shopping ;D ;D

I guess I am still not very familiar with Japan Hifi products so no idea wat to buy there. Furthemore the yen is so high now therefore not sure if I am buying wat I can buy in Singapore for the same price.

Nevertheless, I will spend some time in Yodabashi to hunt for whatever I know and think that it is worth to buy.

Or if anyone can share with me wat type of cables n interconnects should I look out for when I am in Japan? The brands, model and value if possible. thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: machineoperator on May 09, 2011, 11:26
no one talks about this Belden 1313a or the 5T00UP anymore? Does it mean there is a new popular cable out there? Care to share?
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: Wilber on May 09, 2011, 12:20
how is 5T00UP against QED 79?
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: sty on May 09, 2011, 14:27
I am still using 1313a now. Got 10 metres of 814 2 yrs ago from Osaka Yodabashi n not even terminated yet. Need to find some time to do it n use it soon as this cable is also out of date liao. :(
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: zaek on October 18, 2011, 08:56
bringing an old thread up.  ;D This has been a very informative thread for me and I hope to share my personal experience too.

For the past one week, I have been reading alot and ponder whether to get a mid-price cable (e.g. kimber 8tc). The problem lies on my budget. I only have the budget for 1 pair of kimber speaker cable but my curiosity wanted me to try bi-wired (two pair of cables; no jumper). Reading on the internet yields lots of different opinions on bi-wired but i decided to try it myself instead. *itchy backside*

After reading the entire 25 pages of this thread, I decided to do a short experiment with belden 1313A since it is very affordable per se. I got 2 sets of cable at only $118.  :)

The result was amazing (to my ears)! The sound "open up", the imaging became much focus (i really mean "much"). It feels like the singer is singing in front of you! and there's a immediate increase in bass response!

The only drawback is that the "Highs not very high/extended" and the bass sounds abit overwhelming.
I hope the sound will settle down after "burning in". IMO, this speaker cable is definitely VFM!

In my setup, bi-wired makes a big difference. The sounds become crisp, clear, and the imaging is great. With 1 cable+jumper, the imaging wasnt too good and i need to increase the volume to get a better focus.

(Pardon me if my description isn't too descriptive, my vocab limited. I just started my hifi journey 1 week ago -  I am a head-fi  8))

haha, now i need to save up and get another 2 pair of "mid-price" cables for my next upgrade!

Cheers
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: dXter on October 18, 2011, 09:32
Sorry, tried shotgun with those 2 instead? Any diff?
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: zaek on October 18, 2011, 10:03
Sorry, tried shotgun with those 2 instead? Any diff?

sry for my limited knowledge. what's shotgun?

I tried bi-wireing tests on the following:
- 2 sets of amplifier output >>> 2 sets of speakers cables >>> 2 sets of speaker input (high and low)
- 1 set of amplifier output >>> 1 set of speaker cable >>> 2 sets of speaker input (with jumper)

I followed the guide on http://homecinemacity.com/BiWiring%20Guide/biwire.htm
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: jng2 on October 18, 2011, 10:14
Shotgun means instead of using one set of speaker cables from  same set of speaker binding posts from amp to speaker (in single run mode, non biwired), now using 2 sets of speaker cables to the same connection

with shotgun, it is better to twist the 2 speaker cables to reduce interference from electromagnetic induction
 ;)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: zaek on October 18, 2011, 11:04
Shotgun means instead of using one set of speaker cables from  same set of speaker binding posts from amp to speaker (in single run mode, non biwired), now using 2 sets of speaker cables to the same connection

with shotgun, it is better to twist the 2 speaker cables to reduce interference from electromagnetic induction
 ;)


So, does it means:
- 1 set of amplifier output >>> connected with 2 sets of speakers cable (1 banana, 1 spade) >>> to the 2 sets of speaker input (high and low frequency)

jng2: do I read you correctly?

dXter: Both my speaker cables are banana plug.. cannot test shotgun. For that, i presume u need 1 set of banana plug and 1 set of spade.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: jng2 on October 18, 2011, 11:22
Sorry i am not really good in relating myself when i type, thats why I prefer to call my client : )

for example , let us focus on just left amp/speaker side to make the explanation simpler and assume the spk is non biwirable 

----------  = speaker cable

Normal single speaker cable run

AMP (left output)        speaker (left)

Red(hot)    --------------- Red (hot)
Black(cold) --------------- Black(cold)


shotgun

AMP (left output)        speaker (left)

Red(hot)    --------------- Red (hot)
                  ---------------


Black(cold) --------------- Black(cold)
                  ---------------
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: jng2 on October 18, 2011, 11:25
in short, shotgun uses double cable instead of single run using single cable  :D
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: zaek on October 18, 2011, 11:54
in short, shotgun uses double cable instead of single run using single cable  :D

from your diagram, it seems like your speaker only take in single input (E.g. Dynaudio speaker). How do you do shotgun on a bi-wired ready speaker (E.g. B&W) ?
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: jng2 on October 18, 2011, 12:38
shotgun biwired  8)

AMP (left output)        speaker (left)

Red(hot)    --------------- Red (hot)(high freq)
                  ---------------

                  --------------- Red (hot)(low freq)
                  ---------------




Black(cold) --------------- Black(cold)(high freq)
                  ---------------

                  --------------- Black(cold)(low freq)
                  ---------------

Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: kemp98 on October 18, 2011, 12:39
Shotgun (double run) using Belden 1313A can be difficult consider the speaker cable is thick (AWG 10).  The second run would likely to be on spade to accommodate having 8 cables instead of normal 4 (biwire/biamp). Shotgun is more likely for smaller guage cables. Thick cables (AWG 10) such as Belden will see little benefits doing shotgun IMHO.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: jng2 on October 18, 2011, 12:47
yup it needs to secure them (esp with spade and banana plugs) very carefully on speaker binding post

I suggest to use banana plugs that can accomodate the 2 cables

shot gun biwired 1313a is no joke as it will be very heavy
If it is bookshelf speaker on stand, you may need to find a mean to support those cables
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: zaek on October 18, 2011, 13:11
wahh...shotgun needs 4 sets of speaker cables... too bad, i only have 2 sets... hahha
is the improvement really worth the effort?
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: jng2 on October 18, 2011, 13:16
the horror is not the $$$

the horror is to accomodate 4 cables into 1 plug at amp side

Never trim the copper to fit the plug, it shd b the other way round
That is to use plug /spade that can support thick cables 8)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: jng2 on October 18, 2011, 13:34
wahh...shotgun needs 4 sets of speaker cables... too bad, i only have 2 sets... hahha
is the improvement really worth the effort?

I have not try shotgun biwired mode so i cannot commend lor : )

I hav tried biwired 1313a before and the cable is already v thick per side ( with twisting )
The sound stage opens up with better mid. Imaging, high and bass do not has much changes to my ears
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: zaek on October 18, 2011, 13:56
i see. I shall wait for the cable to settle and comment again.
=)

this audio journey is fun!
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: kzone on October 18, 2011, 19:28
In case anyone interested, I have a 1 day old 2m pair of bi-wire 1313a in black sleeve. Terminated with 4 banana at one end & 2 spade + 2 banana the other end. Selling for $100 cos I want to make a longer pair.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: r0n1n31 on October 19, 2011, 09:17
after reading this thread, makes me want to try out this 1313A cable. I'm using generic 12ga cable that I got from AA, not sure if I will hear the difference since Im no audiophile  :-[
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: zaek on October 19, 2011, 09:32
after reading this thread, makes me want to try out this 1313A cable. I'm using generic 12ga cable that I got from AA, not sure if I will hear the difference since Im no audiophile  :-[

I am no audiophile too. But the difference is so great that even my family can also hear the difference.."they commented "wah, so nice". haha

Not too sure about yr existing cable, but if it is already good, then dont waste money to try.

This cable is a value-for-money to recommend to those that have none and looking for a decent cable. Or for people like me who wants to try bi-wiring (too ex to try with mid/high-end cable).

Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: heuer on October 19, 2011, 11:47
There are other cable that perform better for eg: QED, VDH and etc. I feel the 1313 sound bloated in the low end and is over-rated.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: jng2 on October 19, 2011, 11:54
Cables are also system dependent and run in has tremendous effect too
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: zaek on October 19, 2011, 12:07
There are other cable that perform better for eg: QED, VDH and etc. I feel the 1313 sound bloated in the low end and is over-rated.

Interesting finding. Will keep that in mind and see how my burn-in work out to.

Totally agreed that there are tons of better cable out there. But price-wise, this cable is relatively cheap in view of its performance.
Any other cable recommendation that is around $7/m ?? Do share with me, i might buy and test it out :)
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: Indising on October 19, 2011, 13:04
How bout Qed 79 strand. Heard that it's only 4 usd pm. Althou I've not tried it yet. Anyone here tried it?
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: heuer on October 19, 2011, 14:35
Cables are also system dependent and run in has tremendous effect too

Run-in doesn't make a bad sounding cable sounds good. If you hook it up and it sound bad from the beginning doubt it will become better over time.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: zaek on October 22, 2011, 00:13
Been 4 days since burning in...

the HIGH did not return. Does anyone know if the HIGH will come back after more burn in?
Quite a disappointment if it doesnt.

Quite impatient with the burning in..  :P
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: kzone on October 22, 2011, 11:16
zaek, what's ur setup like & how much hours have u clocked? Cant comment on the bass cos i'm only a small bookshelf but I dont have problem with missing highs even after only abt 10hrs of listening over the past week. In fact, can already hear huge improvements in imaging & details after only 3 hrs... will try to get to 50hrs by next weekend & share the outcome...
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: zaek on October 22, 2011, 12:14
zaek, what's ur setup like & how much hours have u clocked? Cant comment on the bass cos i'm only a small bookshelf but I dont have problem with missing highs even after only abt 10hrs of listening over the past week. In fact, can already hear huge improvements in imaging & details after only 3 hrs... will try to get to 50hrs by next weekend & share the outcome...

I clocked roughly 20 hours.

My setup is in my signature. :)
I am happy with everything except the missing highs. After running in for a few days, the bass is now well controlled.

Compared to my old no brand speaker cable, belden clearly killed the high. I listened to lots of vocal, so it was quite apparent.
Nonetheless i do agreed on the improvement in imaging & details (air).

found a review that have similar views on the highs.
http://ns2.zmc.com/audio/cables/messages/13/133050.html
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: kzone on October 23, 2011, 14:23
ah.. played a few female vocalists and now i know what u mean... Let's see when the cable reach 100hrs...
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: jonlee on October 23, 2011, 14:58
I clocked roughly 20 hours.

My setup is in my signature. :)
I am happy with everything except the missing highs. After running in for a few days, the bass is now well controlled.

Compared to my old no brand speaker cable, belden clearly killed the high. I listened to lots of vocal, so it was quite apparent.
Nonetheless i do agreed on the improvement in imaging & details (air).

found a review that have similar views on the highs.
http://ns2.zmc.com/audio/cables/messages/13/133050.html

If ur speaker is biwirable, use 1313 only for the mid bass, and use some thinner cable for then tweeters.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: zaek on October 23, 2011, 17:44
If ur speaker is biwirable, use 1313 only for the mid bass, and use some thinner cable for then tweeters.

Good suggestion. see if the burn in helps anot after 1 month... if not really need to source for another cable for the tweeter.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: big bad wolf on October 24, 2011, 09:34
Been 4 days since burning in...

the HIGH did not return. Does anyone know if the HIGH will come back after more burn in?
Quite a disappointment if it doesnt.

Quite impatient with the burning in..  :P

it simply tell you that this cable "burn-in" is plain bullshit .   ;D ;D ;D
a conductor is a conductor. no matter how long you use it , it electrical characteristics remains the same. 


if you still cannot find your highs after 10 days , can sell the cable to me for half the price.


Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: zaek on October 24, 2011, 10:22
it simply tell you that this cable "burn-in" is plain bullshit .   ;D ;D ;D
a conductor is a conductor. no matter how long you use it , it electrical characteristics remains the same. 

if you still cannot find your highs after 10 days , can sell the cable to me for half the price.

that's a strong statement >>> ""burn-in" is plain bullshit"  ;)

u really big bad wolf sia. =P

I am a cable burn-in believer. I have many cables that "change for the better" after running in. But to a certain extent, I also agreed that burn-in doesn't change the cable's characteristic.

In this very case (after burn-in for awhile), the imaging becomes better and bass is now controlled (compared to initial impression of overwhelming). The only drawback is that this cable really does kill the HIGH.

So what i did, I used back my old cable for my High frequency and Belden 1313a for the Low frequency. Now, everything is sweet (for the time being) :)
I guess the good part of bi-wiring is that you can use different cables (difference characteristic) for matching your taste.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: GAGA@echoloft on October 31, 2011, 17:42
i have a 2metres pair for sale, if anyone is interested. PM me.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: zaek on November 01, 2011, 10:51
ah.. played a few female vocalists and now i know what u mean... Let's see when the cable reach 100hrs...

ooooooooo, my HIGHs is back. Dont know is after burn-in or the Oyaide MTS-6 (with 1 R1 receptacle) that i just added recently.
:)

Anyway, I am a happy man now. How's the cable going for ya?
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: khlim_77 on January 14, 2012, 17:32
Just wondering can i use it as 2-4 ? Or use only 2 -2 with the thin cable as a jumper? What is the current prices now/m
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: JoeHotdude on February 20, 2013, 15:10
LHS at Sim Lim no more?
Where else can get these cables?
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: simic on February 20, 2013, 15:16
Still there last I visited before CNY.

In fact they had expanded to another shopfront near the escalator.

But that is unmanned.

The original shop is still at the same old corner....
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: JoeHotdude on February 20, 2013, 15:23
Still there last I visited before CNY.

In fact they had expanded to another shopfront near the escalator.

But that is unmanned.

The original shop is still at the same old corner....
My bad. I was roaming at Sim Lim SQUARE.
Title: Re: Belden 1313A speaker cable
Post by: yongkg on July 06, 2013, 00:01
hi, newbie here
wat difference does this cable compared with Canare 2S9F ? (Speaker Mission M34i)