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Title: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: ronildoq on January 15, 2020, 18:45
Ok, more poison ahead.

Warning: Do not read if u don’t wanna get poisoned

Recently I got myself a unit of the Silent Angel Bonn N8 ethernet switch, to connect all my audio equipment, Lyngdorf MP50, Oppo 205, Apple TV.  ( previously connected to a TP Link switch)

If you haven’t yet understand what this product does, here is a link

http://www.thunder-data.com/bonn-n8-1

And some video from Hans Himself below

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n95pGUQTvOk

In the Digital streaming Era of 2020, we now have lotsa streaming options for movies, audio etc all , tidal, Spotify, amazon HD, prime, Netflix and even the latest Disney+

It’s very very convenient now, just need to connect to Netflix, hit play and enjoy HDR Atmos , that convenient

On my lyngdorf Mp50, I connect it directly to this special switch , it connects to my Linksys mesh router, then I start streaming Spotify on the lyngdorf

Holy cow! I still heard like 30% improvement! On Spotify music, not even tidal MQA. The last time I experienced that significant an upgrade was when I swapped out from my divini PTC power cord to PTY

This time round, what this network switch brought to the system was very different. Here is what it benefited the system

1) I could hear very clear smooth details from the piano, very clear notes

2) if the divini PTY provided the seperation for details, this network switch provided definition. A lot of the instruments and the sword fighting scenes, sounded very detailed, as if someone is clearly behind me ( watching The Witcher on Netflix BTW)

3) it sounds very smooth, smooth sailing relaxing type of signature

4) finally the bass stops pretty fast, then the next note can be heard instantly as it takes over. Pretty fast and obvious

I was scratching my head, how is a network switch able to bring such an improvement? No idea man, check the video from Hans above, all the explanation is there

I noticed that the picture quality didn’t improve as much, maybe it had, but I couldn’t tell. For me, I need to see that improvement when i play it 10x, meaning each time I play, I notice the improvement, take it out, gone, plug in again, hear the improvement again, rinse and repeat and if 10x out of 10 I hear this improvement, then I’m convinced. Maybe because I had this plugged in to the general power socket where other household equipment connects to. It didn’t connect to my dedicated power sockets for HT. Or maybe LPS would be better? Not sure, haven’t gone there

I don’t use NAS, I use USB plugged in directly for my high quality movie playback, sometimes disc, those good ones.

I believe if u r using those tp link, Netgear , Linksys type switch or routers, then this switch will definitely bring your system up to the next level for streaming

Anyone else owns this ? Care to share your experience?

Oh yea, the other thing is on Fibre optics, the system benefits greater, plus I use a CAT 7 cable from uGreen, good enough to hear the improvement, no need so high end
Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: simic on January 15, 2020, 21:07
Ummm... the ethernet specifications call for ethernet magnetics to isolate noise coming thru from the lan cable.

then there is error correction, checksum, buffering and retransmission all the way from Layer 2 to Layer 7 to ensure bit perfect copies.
Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: ronildoq on January 15, 2020, 21:16
Bro, very chim! But nice, I like to understand all the chim chim stuff! That’s why we are here!

Are u using any of these ?
Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: simic on January 15, 2020, 21:31
No offence, but the engineer in me is not convinced. Because in the digital domain, its 1 or 0.

Either u get back the original bits or not. If u dont get it, the network and equipment take care of retransmitting or error correcting it back to the original.

Its the same argument for better power cords. The gencos and SP Power transmission grid is using non audiophile grade cables and connectors. Does the last mile cable make so much difference?

Carry this to the Spotify example. The datacenter and ISP is using "normal" enterprise routers and switches. Using dirty switch mode power supplies. Does having a very high end last mile equipment make the difference? 

I only have a simple setup of emotiva, sonos, normal switches and random cat 5e/6 cables.

My equipment is not resolving enough bah. Shrugs.

Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: keai on January 15, 2020, 21:55
Ok, more poison ahead.

Warning: Do not read if u don’t wanna get poisoned


wah bro Bryan, your poison is spreading in all aspects,  ;D
Title: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: Boxerfan88 on January 15, 2020, 21:58
The engineer in me also find it hard to believe. On the other hand, it is possible the audiophile network switch can help minimised HF switching noise from polluting the power line.

Interestingly on the topic of power cable, I do notice marginal improvement when special power cable is used with source equipment. On the power line aspect, personally I found the isolation transformer brings about obvious benefit of lowering background noise. I park the noisy digital stuff on the dirty side, and all sources & preamp on the “cleaner” side.

YMMV.


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Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: ronildoq on January 15, 2020, 22:05
No offence at all man, don’t worry. I agree, I initially thought it’s just digital transmission, how is that suppose to clean up data ??

But in the end, after plugging it in, it does improve the set up ! To my disbelieve either

I’m quite happy with what I have heard, that’s why it’s staying on the chain for all my streaming, from amazon prime to Netflix and Spotify
Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: ronildoq on January 15, 2020, 22:10
wah bro Bryan, your poison is spreading in all aspects,  ;D

Really poison man! I refuse to believe a switch can bring so much benefits. Benefits yes, but wasn’t expecting this type of level. See the video from Hans, u can trust this guy

It’s not really about surpressing noise I find, it’s the definition. Very very defined, the notes from the piano, the string from the guitar, very detailed type of sound, from the streaming device.

Nowadays everything is streaming, sometimes at night, I just switch on Netflix , Very evident at lower volumes . Change back to TP link switch, tone.... lol

Put this there 1 week, after that plug it out ... that’s your poison there
Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: simic on January 15, 2020, 22:11
how much is the poison? :)
Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: ronildoq on January 15, 2020, 22:25
I think it’s retailing euro395, local distri is sound affairs, I got mine from him

His stuff all very poisonous really, I dare not try, but each time I try, it stays in the chain

Next time I’m gonna tell him no more testing d... otherwise really poison

First was oppo 205, then it was psi active bass trap, after that I tried the plixir elite 3000, second to none man, then come this silent Angel 😇, really Angel

I know the benchmark amplifier is TOP notch, I’ve seen the numbers and objective measurements from Amir . I don’t wanna loan that one, dangerous. For now I’ll have to stay contented with my emotiva xpa -1
Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: keai on January 15, 2020, 22:44
I know the benchmark amplifier is TOP notch, I’ve seen the numbers and objective measurements from Amir . I don’t wanna loan that one, dangerous. For now I’ll have to stay contented with my emotiva xpa -1

now that you mentioned the benchmark amp, I doubt the xpa-1 will stay with you long bro, lol
Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: simic on January 15, 2020, 22:57
I think it’s retailing euro395, local distri is sound affairs, I got mine from him

His stuff all very poisonous really, I dare not try, but each time I try, it stays in the chain

Next time I’m gonna tell him no more testing d... otherwise really poison

First was oppo 205, then it was psi active bass trap, after that I tried the plixir elite 3000, second to none man, then come this silent Angel 😇, really Angel

I know the benchmark amplifier is TOP notch, I’ve seen the numbers and objective measurements from Amir . I don’t wanna loan that one, dangerous. For now I’ll have to stay contented with my emotiva xpa -1


going down rabbit holes. =)

Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: ronildoq on January 15, 2020, 22:59
Dare not go there man.... lol. For now I just live with what I have, happy emotiva sounds good enough for me

I work on my simple tweaks first this year, isolation stuff, tidy up with good rack, de clutter, add in this nice switch, neat neat for streaming and all these gonna stay on for many more years to come. Once I have completed my full analysis and experiments on the isolation stuff etc I’ll be very happy

The other one I did was separate the power line with frank PE35, that was also very solid, I thought was end game close shop. Suddenly Still seeing benefits from switch... it’s like... Huh?? Switch also have benefits ... lol, never ending this hobby
Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: watchdog on January 15, 2020, 23:33
Nice to see you are having fun. There is far more potent poison in the storeroom over there. As an example, the Telegartner M12 switch gold. I hope you are using the Silent Angel with a LPS instead of the stock switching supply.
Title: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: nfnc on January 16, 2020, 01:39
Nice to see you are having fun. There is far more potent poison in the storeroom over there. As an example, the Telegartner M12 switch gold. I hope you are using the Silent Angel with a LPS instead of the stock switching supply.

And the Melco S100 switch too
Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: ronildoq on January 16, 2020, 08:06
Nice to see you are having fun. There is far more potent poison in the storeroom over there. As an example, the Telegartner M12 switch gold. I hope you are using the Silent Angel with a LPS instead of the stock switching supply.

Haven’t gone there, just going to use it to connect to the dedicated power sockets, still have 1 slot for that.  I hope that does the job and doesn’t introduce noise into the chain instead.  But I think LPS will probably bring it up to another level.

Are u using any of these switches ?

Some swear they can see a difference in picture quality, maybe they are on LPS. I am Using the stock power cord, I don’t see any improvement in picture quality, maybe there is , but not noticeable and impactful enough

I’m gonna try next this combination

From dedicated power socket (for source) —>  silent angel—> rest of equipment RJ45 (lyngdorf, Apple TV, Oppo 205) . Hope it doesn’t pollute the line, I’ve got another power socket that connects to the plixir cube 4 and then Oppo, avr, Apple TV, Xbox . This socket shares the same power line as the silent Angel

At the moment all router, modem etc gets connected to another general power sockets at home

Now that I see the benefits of the switch, I’ll try out a few combinations and see how it goes

Will report my findings after some testing
Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: ronildoq on January 16, 2020, 08:16
And the Melco S100 switch too

This silent angel is affordable, for the quality it brings, not bad really. I gotta use a switch anyway, everything connects to internet nowadays. So worth getting one good one for the audio system. Just one is enough to get the job done

This should stay in the chain for at least the next 5 years
Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: watchdog on January 16, 2020, 13:09
I am currently using the Melco S100 switch, although I did a detailed comparison of that vs the Telegartner M12 Gold and Magic. The differences are quite clear (I have demonstrated this to a small group of Audiophile friends) despite the fact that the switch merely connects my Melco NAS / Streamer to the wireless access point for control purposes. The Melco also markets the unit as offering isolation from unwanted traffic.

I have also run tests with the switch in between a consumer NAS and an SoTM SMS-200 Ultra - the differences are even more stark.

The switch has to be treated like any other component, and you may observe differences when using different footers, power supplies or LAN cables. For the doubters, this is simple enough to try. Just devote a simple switch to your hifi setup. No need for anything fancy. If it offers a DC input, you can also experiment with the power supply. For quite a long time, I used a small portable router that was USB powered from a powerbank for my setup.
Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: ronildoq on January 16, 2020, 13:28
Wow, that’s eye opener indeed for me. As I’m not into Hifi stuff. But a lot of these theories apply to HT as well. They intertwine

I notice that once the room acoustics improve, any equipment that I throw in to the set up (provided it works) , is now able to reap the full rewards

Thanks for sharing, I saw that video from Hans on the sotm

Source Video and audio quality from streaming platforms have evolved and constantly improving as we speak, we have so many audio and video streaming services. I’m no audiophile but even on youtube platform, some of the Dolby music sounds really good to me.

Quick question, the switch has 8 ports, does it matter if I plug in to any? Or does it follow a specific sequence, or skipped, ie, 1 to port 1, another to port 3, another equipment to port 5?

I observed that the design has separate chips for every two ports
Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: watchdog on January 16, 2020, 13:39
It depends - you can only try in the absence of any instructions in the manual. The Melco instructs you to use the slower ports for your music equipment.

If you are willing to disregard science, feel free to also 1) Try the LAN cable both ways, 2) Use different LAN cables and lengths. For what it is worth, most of the Cat 7 cables I've tried aren't very nice sounding - some of the throwaway Cat 5 /6 cables I've had sound quite nice ! I like to put a bit of distance (in terms of cable length) between the switch and your main router.
Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: ronildoq on January 16, 2020, 13:49
It depends - you can only try in the absence of any instructions in the manual. The Melco instructs you to use the slower ports for your music equipment.

If you are willing to disregard science, feel free to also 1) Try the LAN cable both ways, 2) Use different LAN cables and lengths. For what it is worth, most of the Cat 7 cables I've tried aren't very nice sounding - some of the throwaway Cat 5 /6 cables I've had sound quite nice ! I like to put a bit of distance (in terms of cable length) between the switch and your main router.

Ok thanks for the heads up, I’m using the uGreen CAT 7, 3 meter cable from mesh to the switch. I remember 2m was best, can’t recall where I read that. A bit of distance sounds good , i understand certain distance is required

Wow didn’t know certain ports are slower in data speed transmission .

Ok I’ll try and experiment around

Thanks again for all the tips, much appreciated

Btw, do u see any improvement on video with the switch?

The one and only time I saw improvement on the video was when I added the plixir elite 3000 on to the set up. Significant improvement that one.
Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: ronildoq on January 17, 2020, 17:23
Did some reading and I came across feedback from other forum users who use the supra CAT 8 cable for all their streaming needs, apparently does the job pretty well. How well, no idea yet. The other one was wire world, but I didn’t explore there. Cost is pretty decent on the supra, my level type, I shipped mine from future shop Uk, 2m cost GBP32.50, 4m ones cost pound 49. Can read it here

https://audiobacon.net/2017/05/31/supra-cat8-ethernet-cable-review-an-amazing-spotify-and-tidal-experience/3/

No VAT since overseas, no gst since below sgd400. shipping cost $ pound 10, for 2 pieces 2m that connects to Apple TV and Lyngdorf, the 4m goes into mesh router to switch

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200117/029ee1e4c58cb684896c4e32797d0907.jpg)

Some info on the Supra CAT 8 ethernet cable

This LPS plixir Elite 2 amps BDC series just came in , rather excited now, let’s me check out if there is any improvement in pic quality on Netflix , will report my findings soon

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200117/33c5216d219c609a2bea7fedfaf77ab3.jpg)

If I can tell the improvement on video, then this will be one helluva combination , confirmed the audio will be solid.

I always look at the video, if it clears up the noise on the pic, then 99.9% of the times the audio will be good, that’s how I test how good an LPS is..

It needs to be significant enough to justify staying in the chain...

Let’s see
Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: ronildoq on January 18, 2020, 10:02
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200118/dfd8c267cdf64db74cfbe0ccab92aef4.jpg)

In case u r wondering how I connect the Silent Angel switch, here see the above, the Lyngdorf MP50 has a built in media player as well. It also allows for connection to internet radio, roon, Spotify , air play etc

Gerald & Kim on 98.7, and The Muttons on 95fm, internet radio sounds crystal clear

Very convenient, “hey Google, turn on Spotify..... hey Google, turn on internet radio... nowadays everything is on streaming, makes sense to have the good quality switch, very convenient indeed, at a very good price for the quality

Sometimes “Hey google” until my kids go, hey Google, what is the answer to 9 x 6? Lol...

Dangerous dangerous....
Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: watchdog on January 18, 2020, 21:45
I am strictly a 2 channel person and I keep my HT stuff totally separate from my main system.

The Plixir supply you post is using the lower grade DC cable, the signature cable is very very good.

Ok thanks for the heads up, I’m using the uGreen CAT 7, 3 meter cable from mesh to the switch. I remember 2m was best, can’t recall where I read that. A bit of distance sounds good , i understand certain distance is required

Wow didn’t know certain ports are slower in data speed transmission .

Ok I’ll try and experiment around

Thanks again for all the tips, much appreciated

Btw, do u see any improvement on video with the switch?

The one and only time I saw improvement on the video was when I added the plixir elite 3000 on to the set up. Significant improvement that one.
Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: ronildoq on January 19, 2020, 09:30
I am strictly a 2 channel person and I keep my HT stuff totally separate from my main system.

The Plixir supply you post is using the lower grade DC cable, the signature cable is very very good.

Wahhh, u have already completed the experiment ! The statement cable u mean ? U are also using plixir ?

I’m just using the normal cables and already hearing very solid improvement, the LPS connects to the source power socket that connects to a cube 4 plixir. Today I will check picture quality and observe how much noise it cleans up on the signal path vide ethernet connections

It’s the best practice to have dedicated listening room for music and HT. I’m actually lucky my home is one of the older bigger type of HDB units, hall measures 6x8m.

Room is vacant now, but will have to make way for 1 boy, another room for 1 girl, and 1 master bedroom. Unfortunately don’t have the luxury for a dedicated room for music, wil have to be 2 in 1 combo 80-20:HT-Music combo

But u r right again, dedicated room would be the best choice be it for music or HT
Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: watchdog on January 19, 2020, 13:49
I have a number of Plixir products, including the Elite BAC and Elite BDC. I also have a number of other linear power supplies in the system, and the DC cable does have a large effect on the sound although from a technical point of view, conductivity and adequate current carrying capacity should be the real determining factors. I found the claims of aftermarket DC cables to be quite doubtful until I began soldering my own and found very big differences.
Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: ronildoq on January 20, 2020, 08:03
Ok I’ve finished the video analysis

Anyone wanna Guess which is which?

All else being equal, ie, BENQ 5700, Apple TV Netflix

One of the shots from Spider-Man far from home. One of it is Angel+Plixir and another is TP link switch with stock cable

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200120/d730af53da1d3e08cf73efdca1488d21.jpg)

Vs

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200120/81b19c5ffa28bc5493585dff3eeef90d.jpg)

The above is the video side of the story. Just a simple plug out plug in of ethernet cable . Not even on supra CAT8 yet
Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: ronildoq on January 20, 2020, 09:05
Can DL the photos on your mobile phones, then u compare

That’s how I compare, if I see improvement in video, 99.9% u will hear improvement in sound quality, it’s the same methodology I use when I compare the power conditioners etc

Anyway, let’s hear it from users as well. I’ve got a few feedback, so many eagle eyes
Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: tomok on January 20, 2020, 10:27
The TOP one is the better one lah
Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: Lam1n1n on January 20, 2020, 11:16
First one better.
Most obvious at his left armpit and both shoulders.
Her nose and hands
 ;D
Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: wizardofoz on January 20, 2020, 11:57
I have a number of Plixir products, including the Elite BAC and Elite BDC. I also have a number of other linear power supplies in the system, and the DC cable does have a large effect on the sound although from a technical point of view, conductivity and adequate current carrying capacity should be the real determining factors. I found the claims of aftermarket DC cables to be quite doubtful until I began soldering my own and found very big differences.


DIY ones as good or better? what cable are you using for the DC cables? have you followed this thread?


https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/31554-diy-dc-power-cables/
Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: ronildoq on January 20, 2020, 13:32
The TOP one is with silent angel + plixir LPS. Bottom one is TP Link with stock power cord.

Now how is ethernet transmission affecting the streaming quality ? No idea man ! But u can see yourself it’s different, even more evident when viewing it live. All I did was plug out RJ45 from Apple TV to TP link switch, then plug out again and connect it to Silent Angel, that’s all.

You won’t understand what is missing until u swap it around and AB it.

The original second pic/ bottom pic already looked very good to me before the introduction of silent Angel.

Needless to say, quality for music will be in a different league when it connects to the silent Angel. The difference was pretty clear to me, that’s also before even adding the supra CAT8. All these were connected using the uGreen CAT7 cable

What I noticed personally is this

1) colours looked more vibrant. (Vibrant but not saturated type)
2) I get a lot more pop out of the pic
3) the facial expressions were much more defined, I could see Aunt May’s wrinkles clearly
4) much smoother motion

I didn’t see much reduction in noise, as the original source movie itself has very little noise to begin with

A lot of times, people will say, it sounds crystal clear, it sounds good. But the thing here is his/her good , May not be the same as my good. So the level for good will vary. Zooming in to the pictures, it paints a thousand words. With digital streaming, once the jitter is Low, data transmission is good, the benefits can be seen ...


This now stays on in my HT chain for the next 5 years at last, with the advancement of digital streaming, it makes sense having a good reliable switch with LPS

Highly recommended by me
Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: Tiktokape on January 20, 2020, 13:50
This now stays on in my HT chain for the next 5 years at last, with the advancement of digital streaming, it makes sense having a good reliable switch with LPS
;D ;D ;D your famous 5 years outlook
Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: ronildoq on January 20, 2020, 14:04
;D ;D ;D your famous 5 years outlook

Lol, thats cos I have factored in 20% depreciation on equipment cost, so 5 years useful life, after which any sale is a gain , write off and dispose is ok

Fully utilised its benefits, Hahaha
Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: watchdog on January 20, 2020, 14:18

DIY ones as good or better? what cable are you using for the DC cables? have you followed this thread?


https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/31554-diy-dc-power-cables/

My experiments actually predate that thread.

I use a simple twisted pair with no shield. The engineering guys aren't going to like this, but the best sounding recipe I came up with was with Neotech OCC solid silver cable. None of my builds are consistent in design, so it's a bit difficult to also do direct comparisons, e.g. different DC plugs, or termination ends (because my LPSUs use a variety of sockets).

For the non-belivers, you can order a Canare based build from Ghent Audio in China for decent pricing.
Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: Tiktokape on January 22, 2020, 10:02
Lol, thats cos I have factored in 20% depreciation on equipment cost, so 5 years useful life, after which any sale is a gain , write off and dispose is ok

Fully utilised its benefits, Hahaha
Ahhhh then consider using the LPS for media player if you are using then if they are both on same voltage range. Have fun!
Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: wizardofoz on January 22, 2020, 10:58
In reality 20% depreciation is OK for 5yrs...spoken like an accountant  ;)


Regards to using one power supply, unless it has dual isolated outputs you are better not to use to power more than one device as one unit will potentially impact on the other....at least that's how the theory goes.


I just got someone I know with a Bonn an LMPS for it. be interesting to hear if it will take a difference.
Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: Tiktokape on January 22, 2020, 11:15
What I meant is to use either on one device if on same voltage. I never like one LPS powering dual devices.
Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: wizardofoz on January 22, 2020, 11:24
What I meant is to use either on one device if on same voltage. I never like one LPS powering dual devices.


OK well my comment applies for any others who might think its ok  8)  however much attention needs to be paid to not just Voltage but also Current of both Supply and Device.


as an example, the UpTone EtherREGEN need 7-12V but the current need varies for different voltages. so at 7V it needs 1.4A, 9V @ 1A and 12V @ 0.8A so while one might have a supply thats the correct Voltage available you need to consider what the Current needed and available is.
Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: Tiktokape on January 22, 2020, 11:42

OK well my comment applies for any others who might think its ok  8)  however much attention needs to be paid to not just Voltage but also Current of both Supply and Device.


as an example, the UpTone EtherREGEN need 7-12V but the current need varies for different voltages. so at 7V it needs 1.4A, 9V @ 1A and 12V @ 0.8A so while one might have a supply thats the correct Voltage available you need to consider what the Current needed and available is.
That is certain because I like higher current which sounds good to me.  ;D
Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: watchdog on January 22, 2020, 12:15
For me, I like to ensure that my device is well within the current capability of the LPSU to avoid stress on the power transformer and voltage regulators.
Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: ronildoq on January 22, 2020, 12:57
Ahhhh then consider using the LPS for media player if you are using then if they are both on same voltage range. Have fun!

I’m using just Oppo 205 to playback MKV files, some BDMV files by BHD and OMFUG supports full BD menu. Not using any media player at the moment. Only single Oppo 205 for music vide xlr, oppo for cd music, 4k movies , USB , all through Oppo single equipment

Then lyngdorf for streaming music and Apple TV Netflix , YouTube stuff. A lot of times on weekdays I end up streaming because it’s so convenient at the click of a button. (Drama most of the time)

Overall the performance of the switch is incredible on the streaming aspect, coming from a TP Link user

Didn’t experiment further on the ethernet cables, just took the word of forum users that the supra CAT8 is bang for buck type cable

I’m actually firm believer of the plixir equipment from sound affairs . Previously I was using a bada conditioner . I used a mogami 2803 cable, I was hooked with the mogami rca cable, it brought so much improvement

Enter the plixir elite 3000 into the chain, that mogami 2803 cable sound no different from the $5 rca cable. The elite just clean up whole bunch of the noise , so good to the extend that RCA cables makes no significant difference no more

Even the isotek plug that is meant to clean up noise had 0 impact after the plixir was added.

Very good stuff, proud to know that we have a made in Singapore product that is right up there challenging the big guys

No turning back for me, very deep deep poison sound affairs stuff. Silent Angel was also recommended by him, streaming is much better now, especially audio, highly audible improvement
Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: Sound Affairs on January 24, 2020, 11:26
We now have a trial program for the Bonn N8 network switch for customers who wish to test the Bonn N8 network switch in their homes. 

More details and package here:

http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=293266.0

Thank you.

James.
Title: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: desray on January 26, 2020, 07:11
Dare not go there man.... lol. For now I just live with what I have, happy emotiva sounds good enough for me

I work on my simple tweaks first this year, isolation stuff, tidy up with good rack, de clutter, add in this nice switch, neat neat for streaming and all these gonna stay on for many more years to come. Once I have completed my full analysis and experiments on the isolation stuff etc I’ll be very happy

The other one I did was separate the power line with frank PE35, that was also very solid, I thought was end game close shop. Suddenly Still seeing benefits from switch... it’s like... Huh?? Switch also have benefits ... lol, never ending this hobby

Sometimes it’s the placebo effects that are making us “see” or “hear” things that we “believe” is there. Not saying this product is not and I believe it must deliver in order to command such a price of $600 for a network switch.

Frankly, I think you should really “ease down” your upgraditis and save up a little from now onwards. This is an expensive hobby no doubt. But upgrade at a comfortable pace imo. Take it slowly.


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Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: Sunblock on January 26, 2020, 09:04
Sometimes it’s the placebo effects that are making us “see” or “hear” things that we “believe” is there. Not saying this product is not and I believe it must deliver in order to command such a price of $600 for a network switch.

Frankly, I think you should really “ease down” your upgraditis and save up a little from now onwards. This is an expensive hobby no doubt. But upgrade at a comfortable pace imo. Take it slowly.

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IMHO ... hope I am wrong that it is not a managed network switch.
Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: desray on January 26, 2020, 09:05
IMHO ... hope I am wrong that it is not a managed network switch.
Haha. Hope so too...

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Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: ronildoq on January 26, 2020, 14:02
Sometimes it’s the placebo effects that are making us “see” or “hear” things that we “believe” is there. Not saying this product is not and I believe it must deliver in order to command such a price of $600 for a network switch.

Frankly, I think you should really “ease down” your upgraditis and save up a little from now onwards. This is an expensive hobby no doubt. But upgrade at a comfortable pace imo. Take it slowly.


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+1, yea I agree, a little bit too fast :)

Nonetheless, enjoying every bit of it now, really solid and satisfied, keeps getting better and better
Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: desray on January 26, 2020, 15:27
+1, yea I agree, a little bit too fast :)

Nonetheless, enjoying every bit of it now, really solid and satisfied, keeps getting better and better

Glad to hear that. For all the hard work and $$$$$ spent, it time to start enjoying the fruits of your well deserved labour!!!

BTW thanks for contributing so much to this little community for the whole of last year and I’m sure you will carry on to contribute and help bros here to optimise their HT experience for years to come.



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Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: desray on January 26, 2020, 15:30
We now have a trial program for the Bonn N8 network switch for customers who wish to test the Bonn N8 network switch in their homes. 

More details and package here:

http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=293266.0

Thank you.

James.

Thanks for the home trial for XP members here. Thumbs up!



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Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: ronildoq on January 28, 2020, 14:48
Ok drool first the supra CAT8 cables just arrived from UK, made in Sweden!

Bandwidth 2000MHz!

40GBase-T, double shielding

System is already so good with the plixir+silent angel combo,can’t wait to load this one in then hit play !!

Need for speed ! One of the affordable ones that pack a punch according to lotsa forum users all over the world

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200128/d6e1f72428b8a6db4d067fd5aea8bd73.jpg)
Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: BlurRhino on January 28, 2020, 16:31
Probably don't set too high expectations.. I have the Supra Cat 8 too and in my system especially short runs of less than 2m I cannot perceived much sonic differences compared to my bluejeans belden cat 6 cables.   
Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: ronildoq on January 28, 2020, 16:47
Probably don't set too high expectations.. I have the Supra Cat 8 too and in my system especially short runs of less than 2m I cannot perceived much sonic differences compared to my bluejeans belden cat 6 cables.

No diff huh? I don’t know yet, just read on other forums but seem to be recommended by many, but will compare plug out plug in between the existing uGreen CAT7 vs this supra CAT8 🐱 🐱 🐱... lotsa cats. ! Lol

Let’s see how it goes later , will share my findings as well

Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: BlurRhino on January 28, 2020, 17:17
Thanks for the efforts to try out and share your findings here :)
Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: ronildoq on February 03, 2020, 21:22
Wah Wah tested the supra CAT8,

Here is what I did, first I used all cat6 cables, played that Super familiar Korean song, played twice, after that plug out plug in the stock uGreen cable CAT7

No difference between the cat 6 and uGreen CAT7 ! Can’t tell at all, they both sounded dry

Enter the supra CAT8, the vocals came to live instantly, background singer’s voice was crystal clear , much better synergy and separation.

The decay of the notes seem a fraction of second longer, as in it had an airy feeling to the voice, felt as if the singer was able to better catch his breathe when he was rapping away. Very lively

Clear winner the supra CAT8, highly recommended again! Lol
Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: BlurRhino on February 03, 2020, 22:49
Wah Wah tested the supra CAT8,

Here is what I did, first I used all cat6 cables, played that Super familiar Korean song, played twice, after that plug out plug in the stock uGreen cable CAT7

No difference between the cat 6 and uGreen CAT7 ! Can’t tell at all, they both sounded dry

Enter the supra CAT8, the vocals came to live instantly, background singer’s voice was crystal clear , much better synergy and separation.

The decay of the notes seem a fraction of second longer, as in it had an airy feeling to the voice, felt as if the singer was able to better catch his breathe when he was rapping away. Very lively

Clear winner the supra CAT8, highly recommended again! Lol

Glad it work for you! :)
Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: ronildoq on February 04, 2020, 08:45
Here is the catch. If u have not AB the cables, you won’t be able to tell the difference.

The supra CAT8 connects from router to switch and another from switch to Apple TV. I tested with both unplugged and re plugged.

It’s like having a MILO drink in Malaysia, vs having MILo drink in Australia. They are both chocolate type drinks from Nestle. But strange why the one from Australia tasted much better.

Now if I had given that MILO drink to my 3yr old, he “probably/maybe” can’t tell the difference, it’s Milo after all. Give it to someone like me who loves chocolate drinks, and I’ll be able to tell. That’s how I’d describe this cable.

I believe the cable is nothing magical, just well built with good connectors and transmission rate etc. The stock cable that I had or the cat6, probably was tested to cater for that minimum standard quality

Now if u use a well built CAT6 cable, with good data transmission rate etc, I believe it will be no different to the CAT8. I believe the built and material used plays a huge role here, that is why I’m hearing the benefits

For pound $32.50 2m cable, this is a NO BRAINER !
Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: ronildoq on February 06, 2020, 09:11
Double triple confirmed last night, the supra CAT8 is far superior to the uGreen CAT7 or existing CAT6. Quite a noticeable difference

There have been information elsewhere that the uGreen CAT8 is also much better than the CAT7.

So it may be a CAT8 thing, not sure, haven’t had the chance to compare the uGreen CAT8

But in terms of the built quality, can be seen

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200206/98f3d9f9ac34a9e9e6d038ed9f623a1a.jpg)

On the left the CAT7 and right cat8. This member reported that the cat8 sounded much better than the CAT7 in many ways , on his set up.

So it could be that the technical specs are superior , apart from the built, connectors and termination quality that is improving the sound

uGreen cat8 is like $10-$15 bucks though. I have no experience on that, but coming from others

Hope it helps. Before u spend too much on cables , decent CAT8 one seems to be a worthy consideration
Title: Re: Silent Angel Bonn N8 network switch for streaming video and audio
Post by: ronildoq on February 07, 2020, 08:40
Here are some diagrams on how to connect this, most don’t read or no time to read the manual

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200207/f6613e7f547918e988125be96d212e5d.jpg)

The router goes into Port 1 on the N8 switch

Below is sample of layout

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Here is where the N8 sits

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200207/b505beb88862bddd548d6e2e79549fb3.jpg)

There is some form of idea that connecting to 3, 5,7 , would yield good results. (Ie skipping the next available port) I’m connecting it this way, as I only use 3 ports, (lyndorf, Apple TV and another existing TP link switch) I don’t use NAS. So just follow if u r not using all the ports

Whilst there are benefits connecting the CAT8 supra from router to switch, I’m not sure of the benefits from modem to router, using a CAT8. As that would be the source fibre optics to the router. Data integrity and accurate data transmission important here? Haven’t tried, no idea. I suppose not that critical

It could or could not have much benefits. Haven’t got a clue yet.

With power, at my home, I’ve had the PE35 ground loop emi filter placed, and a separate dedicated power for the HT system, the benefits were huge. All power feeding into the system from the original point were all sort of “cleansed”. The results were astonishing, easily 30-35% improvement

My Guess is, for $32.50 pounds, or maybe cheaper for a 1m version, probably worth trying and checking it out
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