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Title: Epson TW9400/5050UB Projector Thread
Post by: tsammyc on July 03, 2019, 10:24
This projector seems to be Projector Central and Projector Reviews favorite projector so far at the around USD2,500-3,000. However, it is USD300 more than the BenQ 5500 on Amazon. Main advantage seems to be slightly better blacks and motorized lens and focus, which allows for automatic adjustment for Cinemascope screens. In Singapore, the list price seems to be S$4,499, which is considerably more than the BenQ 5500 and almost double the BenQ 2700.

https://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/tech-news-epson-eh-tw9400-home-theater-projector-supports-hdr10-hlg-and-18gbps-bandwidth-4k-60fps (https://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/tech-news-epson-eh-tw9400-home-theater-projector-supports-hdr10-hlg-and-18gbps-bandwidth-4k-60fps)

Reviews:
 https://www.projectorreviews.com/epson/epson-home-cinema-5050ub-review-a-very-4k-capable-home-theater-projector/ (https://www.projectorreviews.com/epson/epson-home-cinema-5050ub-review-a-very-4k-capable-home-theater-projector/)

 https://www.projectorcentral.com/Epson-Home-Cinema-5050UBe-Review.htm (https://www.projectorcentral.com/Epson-Home-Cinema-5050UBe-Review.htm)

Reviews seem to indicate that although the 3LCD pixel shifters like the TW9400 are not as sharp as the DLP or LCOS shifters, Epson has mastered a digital sharpening enhancement that works really well and makes them look as sharp. Although I am doubtful about this, I would welcome opinions from those who have seen Epson's wonderful sharpening technology. And their relatively awesome black levels seem to come from a very smart and fast IRIS rather than native contrast. Wonder why the DLP guys can't create a similar IRIS.

I know someone on Xtremeplace imported an Epson 4010 (the 5050UB's little brother)recently from the US, but there has been no report or review of it here. There seems to be very little interest in Epson projectors despite them having a 50% market share in the USA. I wonder why? My very first Epson AE100 projector, which I bought from Sim Lim Square in 2002 got me into this hobby and I have fond memories of it. I remember having to configure a HTPC to output a precise weird resolution for it.
Title: Re: Epson TW9400/5050UB Projector Thread
Post by: ralfale on July 03, 2019, 11:26
DLP in general doesn't provide deep black compared to offerings from other tech. So if your taste if favoring towards the mystic-sexy black and shadow details, you have got to look for other pricier offerings. 

Unfortunately, in this world, really follow "一份钱一分货".
Title: Re: Epson TW9400/5050UB Projector Thread
Post by: desray on July 03, 2019, 20:30

I know someone on Xtremeplace imported an Epson 4010 (the 5050UB's little brother)recently from the US, but there has been no report or review of it here. There seems to be very little interest in Epson projectors despite them having a 50% market share in the USA. I wonder why? My very first Epson AE100 projector, which I bought from Sim Lim Square in 2002 got me into this hobby and I have fond memories of it. I remember having to configure a HTPC to output a precise weird resolution for it.

Epson AE100? You sure it is not Panny? I'll know because the Panasonic PT-AE100 is also my very first projector here. LoL
Title: Re: Epson TW9400/5050UB Projector Thread
Post by: InnocentBlood on July 03, 2019, 21:11
Epson AE100? You sure it is not Panny? I'll know because the Panasonic PT-AE100 is also my very first projector here. LoL

The AE100 was my first PJ as well I remember using it with the Shinco DVD player and then the Panasonic RP82 player. Good times


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Title: Epson TW9400/5050UB Projector Thread
Post by: desray on July 03, 2019, 21:27
The AE100 was my first PJ as well I remember using it with the Shinco DVD player and then the Panasonic RP82 player. Good times


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Yep. Wonderful memories. I recalled I’m the one who came up with the “rubber band” trick to secure the ND filter in place around the len holder just so we can increase the contrast (pop effect) and enhance the black levels of a 720p projector. LoL. 


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Title: Re: Epson TW9400/5050UB Projector Thread
Post by: tsammyc on July 04, 2019, 05:21
Epson AE100? You sure it is not Panny? I'll know because the Panasonic PT-AE100 is also my very first projector here. LoL

Desray, you are right. Panny. It must be early alzheimers :(
Title: Re: Epson TW9400/5050UB Projector Thread
Post by: tsammyc on July 04, 2019, 05:23
DLP in general doesn't provide deep black compared to offerings from other tech. So if your taste if favoring towards the mystic-sexy black and shadow details, you have got to look for other pricier offerings. 

Unfortunately, in this world, really follow "一份钱一分货".

True, but only if you have a Batcave like blackness for your HT. Any ambient light, even slight or white walls and you might as well buy DLP :)
Title: Re: Epson TW9400/5050UB Projector Thread
Post by: tsammyc on July 04, 2019, 05:25
Yep. Wonderful memories. I recalled I’m the one who came up with the “rubber band” trick to secure the ND filter in place around the len holder just so we can increase the contrast (pop effect) and enhance the black levels of a 720p projector. LoL. 


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Yes!, but I remember the ND filter also blunted the highlights, so while there was higher apparent contrast, the picture was a bit dull
Title: Re: Epson TW9400/5050UB Projector Thread
Post by: desray on July 04, 2019, 05:26
Yes!, but I remember the ND filter also blunted the highlights, so while there was higher apparent contrast, the picture was a bit dull

True but in those days we are newbies. Hehe.  We’ve learnt a lot as we grew up.


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Title: Re: Epson TW9400/5050UB Projector Thread
Post by: ronildoq on August 06, 2019, 08:45
Here is a new contender

Epson 6050

https://www.projectorcentral.com/Epson-Home-Cinema-6050UB.htm

The 6050UB and 5050UB further include a new 16-step HDR control with access via a dedicated remote button, which allows viewers to easily make on-the-fly tone-map adjustments to accommodate mastering differences among HDR titles.

As noted, HDMI 2.0 support now allows gamers to play 4K/60p games with HDR. The Pro Cinema 6050UB fully supports 4K HDR at 60 Hz with up to 4:4:4 (uncompressed) chroma subsampling at 8 bits, or 4:2:2 with 10- or 12-bit processing.

The ability to store multiple (up to 10) lens memories for constant-image-height (CIH) setups on 2.35:1 screens remains.

2,600 lumen brightness rating, up from 2,500 lumens in the Pro Cinema 6040. Rated dynamic contrast ratio is rated at 1,200,000:1.

Usd3999 indicative, from projector central
Title: Re: Epson TW9400/5050UB Projector Thread
Post by: tsammyc on August 06, 2019, 23:50
I think the 5050 and 6050 are the same projector, but the 6050 is meant for professional installs
Title: Re: Epson TW9400/5050UB Projector Thread
Post by: ronildoq on August 07, 2019, 08:29
I think the 5050 and 6050 are the same projector, but the 6050 is meant for professional installs

I see, so just number and models, inside all the same.... lol

One with isf mode the other non isf, allows for 20 pt grayscale?

Does it do it like the BenQ ? With isf mode they have anamorphic options, allows for hdmi equaliser , so on?

I’m really puzzled why these needs to be locked? A custom installer’s milking money options from customers ?

I seriously don’t see how enabling anamorphic view or isf mode is gonna cause any hardware equipment failure

I mean it’s fair to pay the custom installers for their calibration services, time spent, Using meters to measure etc, but the question is why LOCK these features ?
Title: Re: Epson TW9400/5050UB Projector Thread
Post by: ralfale on August 07, 2019, 11:13
Saw the TW9400 in action during KLAV. The PQ is fantastic and somemore they are selling at 10krm during the show. Really a steal for the quality it delivers.
Title: Re: Epson TW9400/5050UB Projector Thread
Post by: ronildoq on August 07, 2019, 18:20
Saw the TW9400 in action during KLAV. The PQ is fantastic and somemore they are selling at 10krm during the show. Really a steal for the quality it delivers.

That’s about 3.3k converted, very good in HDR mode ? Or just 1080p SDR  material good?

If I ever go into PJ purchase next time, first thing I’ll zoom in to the tone mapping quality for HDR material
Title: Re: Epson TW9400/5050UB Projector Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on August 07, 2019, 18:49
That’s about 3.3k converted, very good in HDR mode ? Or just 1080p SDR  material good?

If I ever go into PJ purchase next time, first thing I’ll zoom in to the tone mapping quality for HDR material

The 9400 HDR performance is good. It has the lumen horsepower. I’m using the previous model, Tw8300 and HDR is already very good. Epson colour brightness is also great which is one of its selling feature.
Title: Re: Epson TW9400/5050UB Projector Thread
Post by: tsammyc on August 08, 2019, 00:17
I see, so just number and models, inside all the same.... lol

One with isf mode the other non isf, allows for 20 pt grayscale?

Does it do it like the BenQ ? With isf mode they have anamorphic options, allows for hdmi equaliser , so on?

I’m really puzzled why these needs to be locked? A custom installer’s milking money options from customers ?

I seriously don’t see how enabling anamorphic view or isf mode is gonna cause any hardware equipment failure

I mean it’s fair to pay the custom installers for their calibration services, time spent, Using meters to measure etc, but the question is why LOCK these features ?

From Projector Central
Another sister product, the Epson Pro Cinema 6050UB priced at $3,999, is available for sale within the custom integrator channel and is identical in most respects to the HC 5050UB except for a black instead of white casing and other subtle differences. It adds lockable ISF calibration modes for installers and an extra display setting for use with an anamorphic lens. The 6050UB also enjoys a slightly higher rated contrast ratio—1.2 million:1 vs 1 million:1 for the consumer models—the result of Epson cherry-picking the highest performing units off the production line and steering them to the commercial channel. A three-year limited warranty adds an extra year compared with the 5050UB and 5050UBe consumer models. Finally, the 6050UB is packaged with a ceiling mount, cable cover, and an extra replacement lamp, accounting for the bulk of the $1,000 price differential.
Title: Re: Epson TW9400/5050UB Projector Thread
Post by: tsammyc on August 08, 2019, 00:19
That’s about 3.3k converted, very good in HDR mode ? Or just 1080p SDR  material good?

If I ever go into PJ purchase next time, first thing I’ll zoom in to the tone mapping quality for HDR material

List price in Singapore is $4,499
Title: Re: Epson TW9400/5050UB Projector Thread
Post by: ronildoq on August 08, 2019, 08:43
List price in Singapore is $4,499

I see we always end up paying higher here in Singapore , probably due to economies of scale , even the OLED pricing for B8 65” cost usd2.3k in Walmart USA , that translates to $3.2k at today’s market rate, but here it’s a whopping $5k

That’s how it is ....
Title: Re: Epson TW9400/5050UB Projector Thread
Post by: ronildoq on August 08, 2019, 08:54
From Projector Central
Another sister product, the Epson Pro Cinema 6050UB priced at $3,999, is available for sale within the custom integrator channel and is identical in most respects to the HC 5050UB except for a black instead of white casing and other subtle differences. It adds lockable ISF calibration modes for installers and an extra display setting for use with an anamorphic lens. The 6050UB also enjoys a slightly higher rated contrast ratio—1.2 million:1 vs 1 million:1 for the consumer models—the result of Epson cherry-picking the highest performing units off the production line and steering them to the commercial channel. A three-year limited warranty adds an extra year compared with the 5050UB and 5050UBe consumer models. Finally, the 6050UB is packaged with a ceiling mount, cable cover, and an extra replacement lamp, accounting for the bulk of the $1,000 price differential.

It’s mentioned “locakable” isf mode, not “locked” isf mode. So really cannot apprehend why they need to lock a viewing mode

Is the isf mode superior in some ways to the available cinema modes ? Has better blacks and iris control when enabled ? Any idea ?

I didn’t notice anything different, except for few more available settings like hdmi equaliser and anamorphic view options

Of course the calibrated version on isf is much better compared to the default cinema out of the box, and the difference is huge and noticeable when everything calibrated to reference and matches the viewing environment

It seems like  it’s across the board then, does the JVC PJ lock isf mode too ?
Title: Re: Epson TW9400/5050UB Projector Thread
Post by: ronildoq on August 08, 2019, 08:58
The 9400 HDR performance is good. It has the lumen horsepower. I’m using the previous model, Tw8300 and HDR is already very good. Epson colour brightness is also great which is one of its selling feature.

Nice, which model u using now kaydee?
Title: Re: Epson TW9400/5050UB Projector Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on August 08, 2019, 10:05
Tw8300 wireless
Title: Re: Epson TW9400/5050UB Projector Thread
Post by: rock123 on August 08, 2019, 11:19
Tw8300 wireless

May i know what's the warranty coverage for epson bro thank you.
Title: Re: Epson TW9400/5050UB Projector Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on August 08, 2019, 11:34
It’s 3 years.


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Title: Re: Epson TW9400/5050UB Projector Thread
Post by: ronildoq on August 08, 2019, 13:03
Nice, 3 years seems to be the norm to factor useful life for Pj
Title: Re: Epson TW9400/5050UB Projector Thread
Post by: rock123 on August 08, 2019, 13:47
It’s 3 years.


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Thks bro.
Title: Re: Epson TW9400/5050UB Projector Thread
Post by: kaydee6 on August 08, 2019, 13:51
The 3 years coverage include the optics. Lamp warranty is 1 year.
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