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AV Galaxy => Planet Audio => Topic started by: exclusive on April 16, 2019, 07:49

Title: Is Network streamer necessary?
Post by: exclusive on April 16, 2019, 07:49
Hi all,

I'm currently using my avr x7200wa to stream spotify and I'm thinking is there anyway to improve the the sound. than I came across chromecast audio and bluesound node 2.

since the avr is capable of streaming "very high" quality ( according to the spotify app) do I was thinking is it necessary to add CCA or node 2? will there be any significant improvement?

in the future I may join the tidal force.

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Title: Re: Is Network streamer necessary?
Post by: BadEnglish on April 16, 2019, 08:36
If you can tell FLAC 0 apart from WAV then it's worth.
Title: Re: Is Network streamer necessary?
Post by: exclusive on April 16, 2019, 08:41
If you can tell FLAC 0 apart from WAV then it's worth.
since CCA unable to do flac, so I'm suppose u are talking are node 2?
means CCA not worth it?

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Title: Re: Is Network streamer necessary?
Post by: BadEnglish on April 16, 2019, 08:49
since CCA unable to do flac, so I'm suppose u are talking are node 2?
means CCA not worth it?

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I was just given you seen examples.  Both FLAC 0 and WAV are lossless technically while former is a compressed.

Your 7200WA can play both and see if you can hear the different.  If you can , means been cursed , then ...
Title: Re: Is Network streamer necessary?
Post by: pcking on April 16, 2019, 08:51
IMHO, if you are going to use the AVR as your preamp with a higher end streamer, it will not make much of a difference if any, as the AVR will still be the bottleneck.  :P
Title: Re: Is Network streamer necessary?
Post by: wklie on April 16, 2019, 09:14
Using an alternate means to give it a digital feed will not yield any improvement.

We have customers using Lumin D2 (Spotify Connect MQA Tidal Qobuz Roon Ready) with analog output to Denon and reported positively.  The Denon should be switched to Pure Direct mode.
Title: Re: Is Network streamer necessary?
Post by: exclusive on April 16, 2019, 12:49
IMHO, if you are going to use the AVR as your preamp with a higher end streamer, it will not make much of a difference if any, as the AVR will still be the bottleneck. 
if node 2, will be using its onboard dac and run analog out to the avr.

main function will be streaming online music, spotify and tidal.

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Title: Re: Is Network streamer necessary?
Post by: pcking on April 16, 2019, 13:36
Yes, of course this should be the way to connect and it's also what I was referring to.
What I meant was the AVR will "limit" the SQ of what your streamer analog outputs can deliver.
But if you are going this route, it's still possible to have slight improvement.
Just don't spend too much on the streamer unless you are prepared to spend more on a dedicated stereo preamp or Integrated amp with HT-Bypass.

if node 2, will be using its onboard dac and run analog out to the avr.

main function will be streaming online music, spotify and tidal.

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Title: Re: Is Network streamer necessary?
Post by: exclusive on April 16, 2019, 13:42
Yes, of course this should be the way to connect and it's also what I was referring to.
What I meant was the AVR will "limit" the SQ of what your streamer analog outputs can deliver.
But if you are going this route, it's still possible to have slight improvement.
Just don't spend too much on the streamer unless you are prepared to spend more on a dedicated stereo preamp or Integrated amp with HT-Bypass.
what's the guideline?
looking at node 2 around 500

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Title: Re: Is Network streamer necessary?
Post by: kinger on April 17, 2019, 22:34
Streamer as preamp, avr as power amp. Should yield some improvement.
Title: Re: Is Network streamer necessary?
Post by: DizzyD on April 20, 2019, 16:35
Bros

Any streamer that can do DSD audio and has HT bypass ?
Can Cambridge Audio CVN do ht bypass?

Thx
Title: Re: Is Network streamer necessary?
Post by: AndrewC on April 23, 2019, 12:54
Bros

Any streamer that can do DSD audio and has HT bypass ?
Can Cambridge Audio CVN do ht bypass?

Thx

Unclear what you want to do exactly...

A "streamer that supports HT bypass" meaning you want your HT source digital bit-stream to flow through the Steamer? Or did you mean you want the AVR's analog Pre-out Front R/L signal to pass-through the Streamer??  If it's the latter, then you need a Streamer/Pre-amp that has analog inputs to begin with, so none of the Cambridge Audio ones will do, the NAD C 658 (https://nadelectronics.com/product/c-658-bluos-streaming-dac/) probably works... but you'll still need to route it's analog output to an Amp somewhere though.

What exactly are you trying to do?
Title: Re: Is Network streamer necessary?
Post by: Boxerfan88 on April 23, 2019, 20:52
Hi all,

I'm currently using my avr x7200wa to stream spotify and I'm thinking is there anyway to improve the the sound. than I came across chromecast audio and bluesound node 2.

since the avr is capable of streaming "very high" quality ( according to the spotify app) do I was thinking is it necessary to add CCA or node 2? will there be any significant improvement?

in the future I may join the tidal force.

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You have a seriously good AVR. AK4490 DAC. FLAC/WAV support.

Free advice: when streaming Spotify, try PureDirect mode that shuts off all EQ, video processing. Does the sound quality improve?

Spotify Free is only 160kbps.
Spotify Paid is 320kbps.
Which one are u on?

Adding unnecessary equipment is a waste of money.


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Title: Re: Is Network streamer necessary?
Post by: exclusive on April 23, 2019, 21:01
You have a seriously good AVR. AK4490 DAC. FLAC/WAV support.

Free advice: when streaming Spotify, try PureDirect mode that shuts off all EQ, video processing. Does the sound quality improve?

Spotify Free is only 160kbps.
Spotify Paid is 320kbps.
Which one are u on?

Adding unnecessary equipment is a waste of money.


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im using spotify premium.

thinking of going into tidal or qobuz for even bettter quality like MQA?
Title: Re: Is Network streamer necessary?
Post by: Boxerfan88 on April 23, 2019, 22:13
im using spotify premium.

thinking of going into tidal or qobuz for even bettter quality like MQA?

Great, you're using the paid Spotify.

May I suggest this simple sound quality test (FOC).
1. Get your favorite CD that is also available on Spotify.
2. Rip the CD to WAV/FLAC files (you can use EAC software).
3. Copy the WAV/FLAC files to a thumbdrive, and stick the thumbdrive to your AVR.
4. Now, play your favorite song from the thumbdrive, using AVR PureDirect mode.
5. Then, stream the same song from Spotify, using AVR PureDirect mode.
6. Repeat 4/5 as many times as required.

Do you hear any difference?
What difference do you hear?
Which is more pleasant? enjoyable?


Title: Re: Is Network streamer necessary?
Post by: DizzyD on April 24, 2019, 22:13
Unclear what you want to do exactly...

A "streamer that supports HT bypass" meaning you want your HT source digital bit-stream to flow through the Steamer? Or did you mean you want the AVR's analog Pre-out Front R/L signal to pass-through the Streamer??  If it's the latter, then you need a Streamer/Pre-amp that has analog inputs to begin with, so none of the Cambridge Audio ones will do, the NAD C 658 (https://nadelectronics.com/product/c-658-bluos-streaming-dac/) probably works... but you'll still need to route it's analog output to an Amp somewhere though.

What exactly are you trying to do?

I am running a DAC/Preamp now that I feed my music in Macmini to.

AVR L/R analog preouts goes to DAC and DAC goes to poweramp.

I like to combine the DAC and MacMini into a single machine perhaps a streamer if there is such functionality.

The simple way is streamer analog out goes to AVR.

thx

Title: Re: Is Network streamer necessary?
Post by: BlurRhino on April 25, 2019, 00:35
I am running a DAC/Preamp now that I feed my music in Macmini to.

AVR L/R analog preouts goes to DAC and DAC goes to poweramp.

I like to combine the DAC and MacMini into a single machine perhaps a streamer if there is such functionality.

The simple way is streamer analog out goes to AVR.

thx



Based on what you described, the new Moon 390 will fit your requirements.
Title: Re: Is Network streamer necessary?
Post by: AndrewC on April 25, 2019, 06:06
I am running a DAC/Preamp now that I feed my music in Macmini to.

AVR L/R analog preouts goes to DAC and DAC goes to poweramp.

I like to combine the DAC and MacMini into a single machine perhaps a streamer if there is such functionality.

...

The NAD I mentioned will do exactly that... likewise the Moon 390 mentioned above. Like quite a few more around. Just hunt for "Streamer/Preamp".

Good luck  :)
Title: Re: Is Network streamer necessary?
Post by: DizzyD on April 25, 2019, 07:48
Thanks Bro

I check NAD but don’t seem it can do usb audio dsd.

Moon .... probably way too expensive lol
Title: Re: Is Network streamer necessary?
Post by: DizzyD on April 25, 2019, 09:08
https://elac-content.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/2019/01/F.r1_Elac_AlchemyDDP-2-DAC_3.20.19.pdf

Seems to check every box for me ...specs wise
Title: Re: Is Network streamer necessary?
Post by: Chchng on May 18, 2019, 08:56
Any idea who's selling the Elac ?