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Title: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: desray on February 17, 2019, 08:27
Something odd happened just now as I post using using the Tapatalk app and now the entire thread has gone missing. Very unfortunate. All the useful information from the original thread had gone missing after I did a post about half an hour ago. Sigh.

Anyway life goes on. This 2nd thread will allow members to continue post and share their views, comments and questions in relation to Anthem AVR.

Caution: be careful using Tapatalk app when doing your posting.



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Title: Re: Official MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: winwinc81 on February 17, 2019, 08:40
is it the one that we went to your place for demo and your audyssey explanation?
Title: Re: Official MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: desray on February 17, 2019, 08:42
is it the one that we went to your place for demo and your audyssey explanation?

Yep...unfortunately.  :'(

Be careful to those using Tapatalk app to make posting, especially when you are the thread starter.
Title: Re: Official MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: winwinc81 on February 17, 2019, 08:47
Firstly, thanks Desray for inviting today for the demo. We definitely had a great chat on Audyssey and some other room correction methodology. It’s been a great afternoon.

I've to disclaim first, as a HT system dealer myself, any feedback does not constitute that i am "angkat-ing", "sar kah-ing" or deliberately “praising” desray setup just because he is the moderator and I am a dealer, neither am I in any occasion judging any of his rig that it is no good, and that, he should be using whatsoever equipment that I should be recommending as a dealer.

First off, the room – the room is dark, which is great for movie for sure. It is adequately treated, carpeted, with corners traps and some acoustic panels. Not huge traps or panels, but definitely sufficient enough to “catch” or “tame” unnecessary sound reflections. 2 recliners side by side…and the first thing you will be wondering, where is the MLP 😊. Front stage is pretty nice, small computer screen below knee level, screen at eye level with center speaker in between. Towers slightly toed, with surrounds, back surrounds, atmos upfiring speakers, sub placement is diagonal upper left to back right when facing screen, placement seem well positioned. I wouldn’t doubt if its correct or wrong since AV enthusiast definitely try to follow white papers as closely as possible unless limited by awkward room layouts.

PQ – the PQ is simply amazing! The colors are vivid, and definitely sharp! Few occasions I asked, “is this in 4k?” but actually in 1080…this shows that the quality is simply amazing… the black level is superb. No doubt about its black color. Definitely live up to its name. It simply shows what it supposed to show, what it is intended to show from film maker point of view, no need to adjust the sharpness level (I guess) or the contrast in order to see the slightest details... playing movie in 24hz is just like what is being watched in cinema, simply awesome! One thing that is unusual for me is the display lag when switching between the menu and movie…. But for the great PQ, nothing to complain about.

SQ – Doesn’t play loud, the loudness is also where it supposed to be intended. Can distinctively hear the crisp and high frequencies…cos the room is treated, or just as simply as different room correction method (Audy vs ARC), maybe the room is small so easier to control, or cos my personal setup is in the living hall which is more challenging to notice any difference? A bit lacking in the midbass maybe? but I don’t think we played any “midsbass” movie hence nothing to compare also…In my most honest opinion, any room correction is just as great! Why ? Because Desray will educate you from scratch when you have a chance to visit him, Hence the best answer is for you guys to find out yourselves, go with open mind and absorb like sponge lol.

Up Firing Atmos, you will be surprise how great it sounded. Whoever tells you that upfiring is no good, you should go with discreet in ceiling channel etc etc, its just personal opinions… it is up to personal preference and most important, how to make the best out of your existing room modes is the most important. Since the room height is not really high, I think the best for that kind of situation is upfiring already. Its just as good as inceiling.

The bass is adequate for the room size for sure.. not loud, just nice… nice enough to make my leg hair move is good enough :D, bass shaker installed, I like them! It add to a bit of a tactile experience for lower frequencies… did a little test of switching the shakers off, quite surprise that actually the bass shaker is not needed at all… but its this kind of nitty gritty details that add on to an overall experience. 😊

The setup of not playing loud reminds me of BadEnglish setup. BadEnglish stereo is one of the best I’ve heard. Gotta hear to believe. Kennyluck2000’s bass can send your heart out to the moon and back, djblackfm midbass, surround, low frequencies all up another level, Rock123’s 150 inch screen setup is enough to fill your left to right views..… so on and so fourth… Desray, BadEnglish, Kennyluck2000 and many others, we cant deny that speaker positioning is the utmost important. To make the best use out of the room modes and speaker positioning in any awkward layout, and giving any room correction methods the opportunity to calibrate all position and doing it correctly can definitely yield satisfactory results.

Overall experience – Absolutely pleasant! Movies played are: A Quiet Place, Ready Player One, Live by Night, Goosebumps, Great Wall.. I think that’s it, good enough to showcase the bass, mains, surrounds and heights. It’s not harsh and loud and definitely not “whack all you can” kind of feeling. I love it! I should start hearing in lower db from now on lol…
We did more knowledge sharing than demos, question fired and answered, pondering question which makes yourself answering to your own question is fun! I would agree with desray that without really spending quality time to review a product or demo session, which is the main thing that keeps the forum alive, with the necessary sufficient information can be beneficial to other forum members or new members.

I’ll try to do more reviews like this whenever I visit members place for demos, and if I have the opportunities to play with new products. I may not be a strong reviewer, but I guess honest opinion from my personal point of view as a member and not a dealer will be sufficient enough to raise more questions and answers.

Thanks once again for the invite. And thank you all for reading such long post.
Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: desray on February 17, 2019, 08:53
Thanks winwinc81 for reposting your thoughts. For me, I'm actually more saddened by the fact that some of the more important salient points in my review which I have captured were lost. While it is sad for me but I take comfort that at least I did not accidentally remove other member's thread using the Tapatalk app. For that, I can never forgive myself.

Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: winwinc81 on February 17, 2019, 08:59
Welcome. i just happened to not having a habit of shutting down my laptop and the doc i used to pen down my thoughts were left open and not saved.
Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: desray on February 17, 2019, 11:19

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(https://www.anthemav.com/images/arc-genesis/arc-mac-os.png)   (https://www.anthemav.com/images/arc-genesis/arc-win-os.png)

The new ARC Genesis coming soon in Apr this year...to get notified via email, go here: https://www.anthemav.com/support/arc-genesis.php (https://www.anthemav.com/support/arc-genesis.php)

New Features Include
- Improved User Interface
- Supports both Mac & Windows
- Improved Algorithms
- New Target Curve Adjustments
- Save, Stop, Start and Resume
- Remeasure Individual Speakers


 ;)
Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: kaydee6 on February 17, 2019, 13:13
Thanks winwinc81 for reposting your thoughts. For me, I'm actually more saddened by the fact that some of the more important salient points in my review which I have captured were lost. While it is sad for me but I take comfort that at least I did not accidentally remove other member's thread using the Tapatalk app. For that, I can never forgive myself.



You can always rewrite from present perspective. 😬
Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: desray on February 17, 2019, 14:22
You can always rewrite from present perspective.

It’s a lesson learnt. It takes a lot of effort and time to do reviews. So it is kind of a bummer for me. Let’s continue to keep this thread alive.



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Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: Supra_yap on February 17, 2019, 19:06
Today Peng came to my place check Rythmik E15hp . Woofer is working fine. But the muffled sound was cause by sub woofer placement and centre speaker produce a bit of low frequency. . After Peng suggest to 1 to 1 swap placement,  sound so much better.  He also guide me how to tune the subwoofer. And try to improve my environment as i have a lot of glass panel.

I also need to recalibrate anthem 1120..

Thank you Peng..

Where can i purchase miniDsp. I need to Tune 2 subwoofer for low frequency  and very low frequency
Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: desray on February 17, 2019, 20:09
Today Peng came to my place check Rythmik E15hp . Woofer is working fine. But the muffled sound was cause by sub woofer placement and centre speaker produce a bit of low frequency. . After Peng suggest to 1 to 1 swap placement,  sound so much better.  He also guide me how to tune the subwoofer. And try to improve my environment as i have a lot of glass panel.

I also need to recalibrate anthem 1120..

Thank you Peng..

Where can i purchase miniDsp. I need to Tune 2 subwoofer for low frequency  and very low frequency


Glad to know that you are improving the sound every day as you go along. :)
Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: desray on February 18, 2019, 20:24
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For those who know me will instantly know that I’m a big fan of what Audyssey does for the Home Theater market. Over the years, Audyssey has been a household name for most AV enthusiasts around the world. For those who had attended my Audyssey calibration sessions, you probably heard what I mentioned that apart from Audyssey MultEQ XT32 calibration software, 2 other calibration suite that I always want to get are the Dirac and the Anthem Room Correction (ARC). However both are easy to get as there are niche players that serves the HT geeks - meaning those who like the get down-and-dirty with their calibration in order to get the best home theater surround sound experience from your gears. Audyssey reigned the more ubiquitous consumer-grade AVR market for its ease of use.
I admitted that when Denon announced her latest flagship AV Amp, the almighty AVC-X8500H, I am tempted to jump on the upgrade bandwagon but only to hold back due to it hefty price tag. I took a hard look and made a comparison with my almost 3yrs old X7200WA flagship AVR from Denon and decided to wait till the price dropped to around $3K before I take the plunge. The longer I wait, the more I read up the hardware specs and its features and the more I am convinced that I don’t need to get another AVR with the “same” Audyssey MultEQ XT32 calibration suite incorporated. It just can’t get that excited anymore...I mean sure, more power and love for the better built quality, top-end hardware components, meaner raw power per channel amongst other things...but it is still Audyssey. I decided to give Hwee Seng a call to ask about the availability of the Anthem flagship MRX-1120 which cost around the same price as the Denon AVC-X8500H. The female sales rep told me ALL ANTHEM PRODUCTS currently out-of-stock in Singapore and I will have to make 50% deposit to do a pre-order with Anthem as they don’t do any stock-up. According to Hwee Seng, Anthem products did not sell well on our little red-dot. Next I asked about the MRX-720 and as I’m about expect the same answer from the lady sales rep - i.e. no stock but to my surprise, she told me that there was actually one “unclaimed” unit of MRX-720 in their warehouse now. Without any hesitation, I told her I’ll take it.

The key differences between the 720 and 1120 models lies in the latter’s built-in discrete power amplification to do a full 11.2 channels in order to do a full 7.1.4 setup without the need for external power amplification and both models sport the same power ratings (140w/ch) for their channels. Of course, the 1120 utilize higher grade hardware components in order to command a higher premium price tag! Fortunately 720 comes with pre-outs that supports 2 height channels (for Atmos and DTS:X speaker setup) and since I already have with me 2 power amps in my current HT setup, 720 seems like a good alternative for me. More importantly, I can save more than $1K+. With a little bit of luck and some “persuasion” and a friendly nudge to Hwee Seng, I got myself a good deal and the rest is history...And so my Anthem Room Correction (ARC) journey begins…

Unboxing
The following day, my MRX-720 arrived. I’m glad to see the DTS:X badge imprinted on the box to confirm that it already has DTS:X installed at the factory floor instead of a OTA update. [Note: For those unaware, when the MRX 520/720/1120 AVRs were first released back in the late 2015, DTS:X feature, like most AVRs released during that period, requires a OTA software update to get the DTS:X processing to work]

The remote controller
First impression when I saw the ARC toolkit, I was impressed that it actually came with a nice package containing a USB cable, a network cable, the ARC MC1 calibration mic and even a tripod with boom arm extension to house the mic, all neatly packed in a box of its own.

Nice touch! Anthem clearly wanted to save on cost as the carton that houses the AVR looked like a cheap cardboard put together last minute as long as it serves its utility - i.e. to transport the AVR safely from factory to home, it will suffice. The user operating manual comes as a surprise, unlike the traditional black/white printing featured in just about every Denon and Marantz products, Anthem on the other hand decides to make it into a book/magazine replete with color images and clear wordings. It is actually an exact replica derived from the PDF format except it is in a book style. 2 booklets, one in English and the other in French.

The main highlight of the show is the MRX-720. It is almost as heavy as my Denon X7200WA AVR. First impression when I saw the MRX-720, I’ll admit I am not impressed with its non-descript facade and that “fappy” hinge that houses a HDMI (MHL compliant) and the USB input for firmware update).

Another quick glance at the rear connection ports also failed to lift my spirits...equally unimpressive to say the least. And worse of all, I saw the imprint, “Made in Vietnam” as opposed to my Denon X7200WA which is made in Japan. “Beauty is but skin deep”, clearly designing an appealing product is not Anthem’s strong suit but what it lacks in design more than make up for it performance - later to that.
Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: desray on February 18, 2019, 20:27
Streak of bad luck?!
While setting up the physical AVR was a breeze, it quickly turn into a classic “waiting game” for me for the rest of the day! The MC1 mic that comes with the package did not have a matching serial number in Anthem’s very own database. The issue with this “simple” yet frustratingly annoying thing is that the mic comes pre-calibrated by the engineers at their factory to ensure accurate readings during calibration, hence came the offset readings saved in a small script with its proprietary file format. With a mismatched serial number, I am unable to proceed with the calibration since I am prompted to supply the little mic calibration file to get things going. Call it a blessing in disguise and because of this little unfortunate hiccups, I am but forced to read up the entire operating manual in less than half an hour, to find out where and how to get in touch with Anthem support back in Ottawa, Canada. Not a thing in the entire manual states about the need for a calibration mic file. With no choice, quickly google for other Anthem community based forum and managed to locate an email pointing me to the helpdesk. Quickly send out an email requesting for my calibration mic script. It was the longest and most unproductive day while I idling around, waiting for an email reply from the Anthem support team. While waiting, I began to worry that the “mismatched serial number” or worse, the MC1 mic that came with the package probably not going to work since each mic is “factory tuned” to its corresponding serial number and if my serial number is not found in the database, does that mean I have with me a “dud”?! The more I think of it, the more disappointed I get…

[Firmware Update: ONLY via USB update. No OTA support? That's a first!]

Finally after an agonizing 1 hour wait after and wasted 4 hours to search for help online, Anthem support finally replied and forward me my MC1 mic calibration file. I quickly responded by asking about my concern and the chap reassured me that it is the CORRECT file and I can proceed to upload it to my laptop/PC. Total time wasted - About 5 hours! Like I say, I took this “spare” time to read up the literature and understand the way ARC works and how to navigate around the ARC 2 software (only worked in Windows. For Mac OS users, you need to do a bootcamp to get Windows installed for it to work. There is another less accurate way to do it which is to use the iOS Anthem ARC app for calibration). By the time, I got everything up and running, I have to say it a very intuitive, easy to use yet so powerful software (the ARC 2) for pre and post calibration values to be reviewed as the user go along. For the very first time, you can include your very own “house-curve” to your subwoofer and play with the crossover settings between your speakers interacting with the subwoofer(s) is as easy as supplying the values and hit on the calculate and then upload the “new” targeted “curve” into the MRX-720.

3 Key differences between ARC and Audyssey MultEQ XT32
Before we talk about the differences, let me mentioned first point out that both calibration methods set out with the same objective - i.e. to optimize by way of EQ’ing your speakers and subwoofer interactions in “your” room setup. Apparently the approach they use is vastly different. Below are some key differences which I have uncovered along the way:

#1 - No distance measurement
You need to manually enter the distance (in ft or m) for each of your speakers in your setup. Fortunately, I have with me my last Audyssey distance readings which I can quickly deploy. For those who do not have these values in advance, you can use the old but gold standards - use a measuring tape or a laser pointer distance measuring device for more accuracy.

Interestingly you can choose to input the distance before or after the calibration process has completed. This is a tell-tale sign indicating that distance (although we know affects the delay where sound from the various speakers and subwoofer reach the listener at the Main Listening Position or MLP) is not factor during the calibration process. The reason for that is due to the way MC1 mic works. If you compare the Audyssey calibration mic with the one used for ARC, you will immediately spot the difference in one using the normal copper wire used in most speaker cable while the other use a computer-grade USB cable to connect to your laptop/PC so as to send the readings to the ARC 2 software for computation. And it is because of the USB connection used by the MC1 mic that make distance prediction/calculation near impossible. Without going too “nerdy”, the USB-based MC1 mic when relaying data or signal in this case over to the laptop/PC will almost faced with “delay” and it is this “electronic delay” that ultimately affects the accuracy of the distance setting. Hence the decision is clear, omit the distance calculation and let user input it.

However I do foresee an issue in setting the subwoofer distance. For those who have had used Audyssey will know by now that the distance for subwoofer(s) always appeared to be greater in distance and this is to account for the electronic delay and the characteristics of a subwoofer being omni-directional and producing mono-aural frequency compared with speakers which have a more “directive” presence. How then are we going to input the distance value for 2 subwoofer(s)?

#2 - Absence of a 2nd subwoofer measurement
To make matters worse, there is NO dual subwoofer calibration field to calculate each subwoofer frequency response relative to the MLP. In fact, ARC engineers decided to put dual subwoofers into a “single” container and called it Subwoofer. This is different from Audyssey implementation where 2 subwoofer will receive an “individualized” treatment when calibration is being performed. Later I found out the reason in one of the audioholics write-up cum interview with the creator of ARC, Dr Peter Schuck where he mentioned that when measuring a low frequency response from more than one subwoofer makes little to no incentive to take in separate subwoofer(s) readings before the calibration commence. In his own words, he responded by saying, “ARC treats the subs as a mono group because once walls, a floor, and a ceiling are involved, there's no such thing as “stereo” bass, at least at subwoofer frequencies.”  The stereo bass here refers to dual subwoofer implementation. Having say that, it does not mean that one can forgo the subwoofer level readings (SPL reading to get to 75db) before the proper calibration measurement. In the ARC 2 software, one can choose the Quick Measure feature to quickly analyze 2 things. The optimum placement for your subwoofer(s) and the level readings to read 75db. The quick measure function provides the user with a real-time graphical curve representation as you move your subwoofer(s) to different locations or when you turn your phase knob. The idea is to get a relatively “close” downward sloping curve with no major dips in db within the typical 40 - 80 Hz frequency band where most of the bookshelf speakers likely to have a crossover frequency setting in those regions. That is where the 2nd subwoofer comes in to help with the “even-out” approach. Recall one of the biggest benefits of having dual subwoofer implementation is to smooth out the bass response in your listening environment with more headroom to spare but without the need to over stress or over work one of the subwoofers. So in theory, if you are unable to achieve good results in one location for the 1st subwoofer, the 2nd subwoofer placement when placed correctly will usually solve the nulls and the peaks in those region that the 1st subwoofer have. For more info in optimized placement of subwoofer(s), please google for more details. The general rule of thumb is to use same make and model subwoofers to ensure uniformity when it comes to readings.

[Fun fact: Something different from what I know, at least from my past Audyssey experience is the recommended SPL readings for the subwoofers. In ARC, they recommended 70-71 db SPL readings for each of the dual subwoofers and the value get successively lower when you added more than 2 subwoofers. The SPL readings from the subwoofers (regardless of the quantity) will read approximately 75db when all worked in concert]

For phase control, the effects to the frequency is almost negligible, so the best way to get your subwoofer(s) to work best with ARC is to move the “beast” itself. Good luck to those owning a ported subwoofer with huge enclosure!

Once you are satisfied with the placement of your subwoofer(s) and its corresponding curves. We can proceed to commence a full measurement for the entire speaker arrays. It is important to get the subwoofer placement right the first time round. But do not be dismayed if the curve didn’t get as flat as you want it to be. ARC will still help to do it at the electronic EQ level but it may not be always ideal. So don’t overlook the importance of this initial step.
Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: desray on February 18, 2019, 20:29
#3 - Minimum number of calibration positions (5 versus 3)
Another key difference is the number of minimum positions required before ARC “think” that it have all the necessary computational data it needs to come up with a  “EQ-solution” to solve your in-room response issues you faced in your listening environment. Audyssey requires a minimum of 3 to a maximum of 8 positions while ARC allows up to 10 different positions to have a much a more comprehensive representation of your actual in-room responses. If you have a bigger listening space, go for all 10 positions if you can.

[Note: Both shared the same concept that the 1st position is the most crucial and should always be right in the middle or closest to your prime listening position. Like Audyssey, the first readings will pretty much be the baseline for averaging of the coefficient in readings later on. If you screw up the 1st position, be prepared to re-do again]

Is ARC really more powerful than Audyssey?
Ironically speaking, Audyssey MultEQ XT32 implementation in a AVR is actually far more complex and requires more computational powers to make it work wonders. The built-in DSP chips that does all the surround sound format (e.g. Dolby Atmos, DTS-X) processing all take up valuable computational powers, leaving very little to almost no room for further modification of a “targeted” frequency. Audyssey preferred to make it as simple for user as possible while ARC’s approach is different. The latter give the “power” back to the user to allow the “geek” in you to surface! It is apparent that software based calibration toolkit is the ONLY way to do all sorts of customization to get that elusive midbass that Audyssey is unable to deliver “to a certain degree” without sacrificing performance.

As this is just a review, I will not tread deep into the jungles of calibration tweaks etc. But the key selling point of ARC is the well-implemented software combined with the hardware (MC1 calibrated mic). For the most accurate readings, Anthem’s ARC toolkit truly delivers a better calibration package when compared to Audyssey. But I applauded Audyssey for making calibration user friendly albeit the lack of refinement for pro users.

Once you get a hang of it, running the ARC 2 software is easy. In fact, it is so much fun and takes up less of my time when doing calibration despite the fact that ARC requires you to perform a minimum of 5 positions before it can compile the results. Compared to Audyssey, the time taken to perform the 3 minimum position readings roughly takes about the same time for ARC to finish its 5 positions! That is how fast a software based as opposed to a SoC based works! Deliver more in less time...Ask Apple about their yearly AX chips upgrades.

Vastly different calibration results
Now let’s take a look at what ARC does to my HT system. What a vast difference and frankly I got a shock when I saw those results. Literally all my speakers crossed the 100Hz regions (into the territory of a near satellite speakers) despite my KEF R100 is more than capable of producing discernible bass notes in the 80 Hz region.

It defies all logic and NEVER once did Audyssey ever give me such results hence you can imagine how perplexed I must have been when I first took sight of these crossover settings. Could it the MC1 mic is faulty or the offset readings in the mic calibration file is wrong?! Although it showed me vastly different results from what I have expected all these years with my Audyssey, the one tell-tale sign that I am heading in the right direction is Subwoofer High Pass Filter (HPF) registering a 26 Hz cut-off for my JL Audio E110 where the lowest frequency it can go is 25 Hz region and my E112’s lowest frequency is 22 Hz. What this mean is that the high frequency above the 26 Hz will be filtered and allow to pass through to the speakers to reproduce and anything below that will be routed as LFE (0.1) signal to the subwoofer to handle. The Low-Pass FIlter (LPF) for LFE remains as the de facto 120 Hz based on the industry standards.

Clearly the way ARC sets out a clear path for more bass (LFE) to be routed to my JL Audio to reproduce instead of relying on a more traditional and somewhat conservation crossover value between the speakers and the subwoofers. But never did I expect such a high crossover settings (> 100 Hz) for all my speakers. This requires a very granular tweak to get the correct rollover order right in the High Pass Order and Audyssey simply have no room to do such refined adjustments. Based on ARC’s recommendation, the optimized rollover for a smoother bass response between the various speakers with the subwoofers will be in the region of 3rd Order (bandwidth) at 26 Hz. For a more powerful subwoofer which can go as low as 20 Hz without distortion, you can opt for for a “flat” order to extend the lower-end of the curve for that infrasonic low grunt oomph!

[Note: ARC will not recommend these adjustments to inexperienced user such as myself when taming the subwoofer with a “whip” that you can’t handle with certain level of proficiency in understanding how LFE works for your subwoofer. So it is best to stick to the optimized setting if you are not sure what you are doing lest bottoming your subwoofers]
Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: desray on February 18, 2019, 20:32
Anthem’s focus on Sound
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If we look back at the inception of Anthem as a company, it is not hard to see where Anthem’s primary focus lies in her range of products rolled out to the home theater market - i.e. to focus chiefly on professional studio-grade audio calibration to get the best cinematic experience to your home environment. Paradigm (parent company) bought over an audiophile studio company known as Sonic Frontier) to form Anthem. Since Paradigm wanted to focus her R&D in audio, it omitted the video enhancement features found in most of today’s high-end consumer grade AVR, Pre/Pro and AV Amps.

If I recall the specs correctly, it utilize audiophile’s favourite son, the AKM-4458 DAC chip to accomplish it sonic feat. This literally means it can decode DSD file up to 24bit/192Khz using its built in DAC. This is what differentiate Anthem from the conventional AVR manufacturers like Denon & Marantz, Pioneer, Onkyo and Yamaha, The latter group wanted to provide consumers with a “All-in-One” package for the best bang for your bucks but focusing just enough to get the everything working as it should but never excel in any specific areas. There is literally no sight of any Video settings in the menu. The product brochure only mentioned that it is HDCP 2.2 compatible for playback of 4K DRM content and HDMI 2.0a to take full advantage of wider color gamut (WCG - BT2020) like HDR, HLG and DV and nothing else. What I have gathered from other sources is that the video processor built into the AVR is meant for the display of OSD (On-Screen Display) to show the menu overlay and other key information like, the Input Selection, file formats, surround sound formats and bitrate of the media files been played amongst other things. Denon and Marantz on other other hand provides a dedicated Video Processor of high quality for proper scaling of non 4K content like 1080p to make it more 4K like.

Unlike most conventional AVR choice over wireless music streaming protocol in the likes of AirPlay and Bluetooth. Anthem takes on a different path and opted for the DTS Play-Fi wireless music streaming service to ensure near audiophile grade music streaming experience via Wi-Fi for a more reliable throughput rate for bigger audio media.

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In some of the more audio-centric review of the MRX-720, Anthem claimed that it is one of the few AVRs out there in the market that can downsample and re-sample a high bitrate audio file format for Play-Fi streaming without sacrificing too much clarity and details. Clearly I’m no audiophile but it is definitely very reassuring that playback of MP3, AAC and FLAC files can be played back at high quality.

Dolby Atmos/DTS:X and Auro 3D clips
I did not have much time to go through my demo archive but I intend to find some time to do more testing. But I did allocate about 45 mins yesterday evening to go through a bunch of familiar clips from Dolby Labs, DTS Inc and even Auro 3D to get hear for myself the difference that ARC make to my current system.

I put in the Dolby Atmos Demo clips featuring the jungles of Amazon, Horizon, Audiosphere, fallen leaf and Shattered baseball scenes and for the very first time, I am beginning to feel the “thump and the oomph” from both my JL Audio subwoofers working in concert. In the past, Audyssey has calibrated my subwoofers reasonably well but ARC has taken it to the next level. Even my KEF R50 Dolby Atmos enabled speakers which crossover at a more “specific” values at 225 Hz for my front Dolby channels and 130 Hz for my rear Dolby channels also brings out an even more “elevated” sound effects compared with what I have used for my Audyssey setup. The most distinct improvement in terms of object based clarity came with the Shattered baseball scene. Recall the shards of broken window glass panes “knock” against the ceiling hanged overhead lamp, the impact is much more “pronounced” and I have noticed for the very first time that the glass shards hit on the hard wooden floor has a loud thud that sends a low bass note to my Aura bass-shakers for the first time. As I have placed a 50 Hz low pass filter for anything lower than 50 Hz to be sent to the bass shakers to simulate the rumble. This is something else as I have never felt that before from that particular scene.

For the DTS:X demos, I played back Cacophony, Function of music, the Forley artist, Nightlight and Darlingside’s The Ancestors MTV to get a sense of things in the the DTS:X department. Both Cacophony, Function of music and the Nighlight scene stood out the most for me. In the Cacophony (of sound), precise imaging of the footsteps and the eerie soft breathing rhythm sound as one draws air and exhale at the side can also be picked up with more clarity. So much more nuances. This is truly a great clip to “pick out” sound localization with eyes closed. For dialogue intelligibility test, the interviewed male articulating about how he felt and dispensing his wisdoms on the function of music can give you an idea how well your center channels “lock-in” the dialogue with the ambience sound effects like crumpled papers and playback of the old cassette recorder deck and the screechy sound made by the turntable on the vinyl records as it slowly spins its tune is a joy to listen. The Nighlight scene (no dialogue) is filled with great dynamics from start to finish. It truly brings out the best when all your speakers + subwoofers worked in tandem to provide a broad spectrum of dynamics in brilliance mix of DTS:X object based sound.

Auro 3D utilize the DTS-HD MSTR (lossless high bitrate). There is only one demo clips spanning nearly 18 mins long and I just let it play. Perhaps I did not have a compatible Auro 3D sound decoder to take advantage of the Auro 3D mix, it is not as impressive as I would like to get when compared with a true Object-based sound mix. But that is not to say that the MRX-720 did not handle Auro 3D mix poorly. I would prefer to say that it performed equally good with my X7200WA calibrated by Audyssey and that says something. With a dearth of Auro 3D material, I can see why Anthem is not incorporating Auro 3D sound processing anytime soon in the MRX AVR range of models.
I will be doing some real-time testing on full length movies on a bluray later tonight and provide my 2 cents worth in due course. But suffice to say that I am very very impressed with ARC at this point.

Music / 2 Channel
For music, I took the opportunity to download the DTS Play-Fi app to take advantage of the high-performance DAC chip for my music playback. As I only played a few musical tracks and a couple of Mandarin ballads by Tsai Chin, I can already tell that my subwoofers really blended in well with the speakers. One neat and cool feature of Anthem’s unique feature is the assigning of 4 different profile speaker configs to suit different speaker setup for different needs. For instance, I can set a 5.2 or 7.2 speaker config for all my music listening without engaging the heights (or in this case, my front and rear Dolby-enabled speakers) for that natural sound at ear levels. I really do not see the need and the benefits of DSP mixed ambience sound to envelope you in a native 2 channel source such as songs. Even though I have spent only about less than 10 mins or so on music (not my priority here), I can safely say that it had far exceeded my expectations. I will do more music testing in days to come and as always, I will provide my 2 cents worth in this area.

Conclusion
So is it any good? Worth upgrading from Audyssey MultEQ XT32 for movies? And who is it for? At this juncture, I guess you already know the answers to all these questions. The Anthem MRX-720 gets an affirming recommendation by me. 2 thumbs up for the amazing calibration it does for my home theater system. Just when I thought it could not get any better, Anthem’s ARC proved me wrong. I am truly amazed at how well the MC1 mic worked in tandem with the ARC 2 software and allowed more advanced user the flexibility to make fine alterations to the post-calibrated frequency responses for the desired effects. This is truly one great AVR for all home theater enthusiasts out there in the XP forum.

The price is a bit on the high-end and it lacks a plethora of features found in most conventional AVRs like the omission of a dedicated Video Processor for better video reproduction. At this point, the video signal only pass-through from source direct to your TV monitor or HT Projector and all video processing will either be done at the source (e.g. bluray player) or the TV/Projector itself. However this should not be the reason to stop you from getting the Anthem for your next upgrade (in the near future) as we usually leave the video processing to the TV/Projector which sports a better video processor to clean up those artifacts etc. If sound is what you truly after, then Anthem MRX-720 deserves a place in your X’mas wishlist this year. The only gripe, apart from the hefty price and non-descript outlook is the end user support locally. With no dedicated service center and Hwee Seng been the exclusive distributor here in Singapore, many may not wish to take the risk and that is understandable.
Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: desray on February 18, 2019, 20:35
Is Dirac Live any good?

Just came back from ronildoq's place and I must say that I am quite impressed with Dirac Live's features and its performance. As ronildoq does not have a dedicated AVR or Pre/Pro Amp to take advantage of object-based sound formats like DTS:X and Dolby Atmos, it is a pity. But even w/o the height channels, Dirac Live did a very wonderful job overall to ronildoq's setup.

To members - whether Dirac Live, ARC or even Audyssey MultEQ XT32 that you are using right at this very moment, you will not be disappointed with any of the 3 when it comes to room EQ. Go for Audyssey if you do not want the hassles of learning calibration s/w but for those who seek for a more "refined" approach or perhaps you are the type that have the knowledge of how to play with room EQ like REW software, Dirac Live and ARC will be the way to go. For software-based calibration, it is more powerful and packed with features and highly scalable to "fit" your custom need for a finesse control over what you can get for your speaker and subwoofer(s). It is not about how much you spent on your speakers or subwoofers, it is all about putting everything into a cohesive and seamless package that counts.

I have to give it to ronildoq for able to put together such a great setup in a living room setting which imo is the most challenging of all and he is able to do it in a minimalistic way. Well done! I urge everyone to get a taste of what Dirac Live can do to your existing HT setup. Before you consider to spend more $$$ on speakers or better subwoofers, do consider investing a modest amount in audio calibration s/w such as Dirac Live to reap the benefits and you will be impressed by how good your existing HT sound system is. A new level of immersion and clarify it does as opposed to splurging money on AV equipment, especially speakers!

In short, I will say Dirac Live is indeed a good software based calibration tool to invest.  ;)
Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: desray on February 18, 2019, 20:36
Is Dirac Live truly better than Anthem Room Correction (ARC)?

The answer is it depends on your room, setup and whether you have the luxury to move your speakers and/or subwoofer(s) if required. Do take note that regardless whether you use Dirac Live, ARC or even Audyssey, you are at the mercy of your room mode. How good your HT system sounded at the end of the day depends on your room. Hence the focus on in-room EQ.

With in-room response, it will come down to how receptive is your room at certain frequency range...most calibration tools focused in treating the lower end of the Schroeder Frequency range (usually from 20Hz -250Hz range for a typical home theater setup, emphasis here is "Home setting") before it do more harm that good. Over-EQ to get a flatter response at the higher end may not be desirable. I'm surprised to see Dirac Live able to do EQ to as high as 15Khz...

ARC and Dirac utilize pretty similar calibration approach with the exception that the latter comes with more control and features like built-in delays and gain input/output to compensate for fairly accurate distance setting. This is something that ARC is missing. In addition, Dirac Live is able to play with custom house curve which resulted in amore "acquired" (Preference) taste to suit individual's needs. Again, this is something missing from ARC.

What both ARC and Dirac Live did very well is the ability to achieve a flat response (remove peaks and elevate nulls) at the key frequency range of 20Hz and 200Hz with emphasis to fix the 50 - 55Hz standing wave in order to provide you with a clean sound that complements the subwoofers. The subwoofers will then be able to get an effective and efficient HPF and crossovers amongst the speakers to achieve a well balanced sound with a healthy dose of bass without "too much bloating" that masks the surround effects. Dirac Live is a "feature-rich" toolkit for home theater enthusiasts provided you truly invest your time to really go through the features or else you will be wasting your money and only to use a few functions. If you want a step down from Dirac but something better and more refined than Audyssey, then ARC provides a more easy, intuitive and a all-rounder package and yet able to deliver equally impressive sound w/o the need for you to go through the literature and science behind it.

Calibration software is but just a tool...even if you reaped the maximum benefits and understand all the technicalities and how it all works, you can not escape from poor speaker layout and placement. You need to fix this before using the calibration software to achieve the best results.

So is Dirac Live better than ARC? The answer is Yes but with caveats.
Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: desray on February 18, 2019, 20:38
Picking the best frequency cut-off range for your Dolby Atmos-enabled speakers

Front pair of Dolby Atmos-enabled Speakers Frequency Response Curve
Max Frequency EQ at 500 Hz
Max Frequency EQ at 1 KHz
Max Frequency EQ at 2 KHz
Max Frequency EQ at 5 KHz

Rear pair of Dolby Atmos-enabled Speakers Frequency Response Curve
Max Frequency EQ at 500 Hz
Max Frequency EQ at 1 KHz
Max Frequency EQ at 2 KHz
Max Frequency EQ at 5 KHz

One of the greatest benefits of ARC is the ability to look at the target (linear) curve versus the corrected curve with bass management built-in. Rule of thumb,Equalization (EQ) should not be used beyond the treble region which is usually in the 2 Khz and above as the sound wave will become too  “directional”. If it becomes too “directional”, the calibrated mic will cease to become “accurate” when measuring these higher frequencies. A typical “law of diminishing returns” I would say. Hence it is advisable to keep it less than 2 Khz whenever possible. For ARC, the upper band limit for its In-Room EQ frequency range will be from 20 Hz to 5 Khz (or 5,000 Hz) to allow for better accuracy measurement using its proprietary ARC1M calibrated mic. For those who wish to do EQ until to 20 Khz (or 20,000 Hz) even though the ARC software allows it, it serve little to no purpose at all. Another great feature of Anthem ARC software is the flexibility to play with 4 distinct profiles to take advantage of “cycling” amongst the 4 Profile Presets and choose the one that fits your gear best. For instance, if my source is a Sony UDP-X700 4K UHD bluray player that playback Dolby Atmos/DTS:X  content, I may choose to set the maximum frequency range cut-off for my room EQ to be say between 20 Hz and 500 Hz and I set this as my Profile which I tagged it as “MxEQ-500”. For each Profile, I will set accordingly like “MxEQ-1K”, “MxEQ-2K” and “MxEQ-5K”.

Today’s topic is focused on optimizing my Dolby Atmos-enabled speakers. My speaker configuration is a 7.2.4 setup, meaning it  as 2 pairs of Dolby Atmos-enabled speakers (front and rear). With ARC, it is much easier to see, pick and do testing on-the-fly with ease. This is a huge advantage when compared to Audyssey which shows you rather rough frequency response curve. ARC calibration advocated that each speakers will be measured on its own “merits” vis-a-viz the Main Listening Position (MLP). Simply put, ARC measured each individual speakers relative to the MLP and makes correction to the nasty peaks and valleys to get to that linear response curve for the entire 7.2.4 speaker setup to be optimized in a coherent manner (in its simplest terms to say the least).

Picking the best frequency cut-off range for your Dolby Atmos-enabled speakers

If we take a look at the Front Dolby-enabled speaker pair and made side by side comparisons among the 4 Profiles - i.e. MxEQ-500, MxEQ-1K, MxEQ-2K and MxEQ-5K, you can see how the corrected bass response (denoted in green color) curve looks like. Our focus is actually on the treble region and above as Dolby Atmos-enabled speaker characteristics focused squarely in the higher frequency range and we need the “much-desired” boost in that upper region frequency to “shine” as much as possible without compromising the low to mid-bass range (between 20 Hz and 1 Khz). The idea or rather objective is to “pick” the maximum frequency cut-off range to ensure a that there will be a “boost” at 1 Khz onwards.

If we take a look at the Profile, “MxEQ-500”, you can see that at frequency cut-off range of 500 Hz, there is an immediate drop in level (SPL) ever so slightly which are visible for my front left and also for for the rear pair. This tells us that it is not ideal but it can be easily compensated by a 2 - 3db boost to both the front and rear pairs to make up for the slight dip in SPL.

Let’s move on to the next Profile, the “MxEQ-1K”. That is even worst than MxEQ-500 Profile. See the major dip in SPL levels from the target curve of 75db to 71db for my front left Dolby Atmos-enabled speaker. Literally all the speakers at 1 Khz range as the cut-off range performed poorly for Dolby Atmos-enabled speakers.

How about Profile, “MxEQ-2K”? Well, this seems rather “promising” as we can see that the corrected bass response curve (denoted in green color) seems to go up by for all the speakers in this scenario. And this is what we wanted - a green curve going “above” the target curve (denoted in black) at 2 Khz and above.

Now let us move to the last Profile, the “MxEQ-5K”, it immediately becomes clear as day that it literally flattens the “peak” in MxEQ-2K Profile for all the speakers. Although this is what ARC sets out to achieve in the first place - i.e. to get a linear response curve at the maximum frequency cut-off range but it also unwittingly put a lid on the “height” effects as well. It may be good for audio playback but it may not be good for playback of bluray titles authored in Dolby Atmos or DTS:X sound mix.

If we look slightly further, we can see that a 10 Khz range looks promising as it is rather similar to MxEQ-2K Profile with a corrected bass response curve staying above the black target curve.

The Winner is…
As you have guess it by now, the 3rd Profile - i.e. MxEQ-2K at 2 Khz or 2,000 Hz performed the best for my 7.2.4 setup. I have cycled between the 4 Profiles and find MxEQ-2K Profile to have that high octane drive for low frequency extension while having a good blend of “atmos-pheric” effects to take advantage of movies mixed in Dolby Atmos or DTS:X. Of course, I have also did some experimentation for the 10,000 Hz range since it follows closely to the MxEQ-2K Profile but I did not like it as it makes the whole sound mix more “confined” like having constipation. Recall when I first mentioned about ARC’s room EQ logic. The default maximum frequency EQ cut-off range is set at 5 Khz or 5,000 Hz and anything above will make the sound more directional and makes it less accurate for the ARCM1 mic to pick up. So EQ is best treated within the confines of 5,000 Hz and not above it. Since 10,000 Hz attracts “law of diminishing returns” which aptly explains the sound I heard with too much “flat-ness” and lose out on its dynamics. I have decided to pick 2 Khz as my preferred cut-off range for ARC to EQ.

Because of this neat feature which I can adjust on the fly and apply the settings via Wi-Fi and no need for complex setup. I am able to experiment with sound like I never could when I use Audyssey.
Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: rayleh on February 18, 2019, 20:58
Hi Desray, with the new Audyssey apps, we should be able to save different profiles and adjust on the fly? However, I do know that the apps doesn't support your previous Denon.
Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: desray on February 18, 2019, 21:11
Hi Desray, with the new Audyssey apps, we should be able to save different profiles and adjust on the fly? However, I do know that the apps doesn't support your previous Denon.

Bro, this is an Anthem thread...Yes, the X7200WA didn't have support for the new Audyssey app that can adjust the curve...I recalled X6300 onwards.
Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: desray on February 19, 2019, 06:50
I tried to salvage as much information from the web cache provisioned by Google. It will be gone within 3 days as that’s how the algorithm works. I will try to re-add the images that accompanies the postings in due course when I have the time.

Unfortunately majority of the member’s feedbacks after hearing the MRX 720 were gone except for the most recent one by winwinc81.



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Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: whitesox on February 20, 2019, 07:47
Abang Desray...

I heard ur setup alrd.
Comparing to ur previous 7200wa, ur LCR sounds much better ....
Anyway, I just still didnt like ur shaker... too me it is so fake.
Ur JL is a 'beast'...u need to 'disturb' them. Perhaps u may need help from AM.

 :)
Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: desray on February 20, 2019, 10:37
Abang Desray...

I heard ur setup alrd.
Comparing to ur previous 7200wa, ur LCR sounds much better ....
Anyway, I just still didnt like ur shaker... too me it is so fake.
Ur JL is a 'beast'...u need to 'disturb' them. Perhaps u may need help from AM.

 :)

Thanks for the feedback.
Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: winwinc81 on February 20, 2019, 12:39
Fantastic write up! Appreciate the effort in aiding new comers and us to decide whats best for us next! :)
Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: desray on March 24, 2019, 18:37
For those who own MRC 720/1120, I just discovered that HDMI Input 7 (or last Input with MHL feature) DOES NOT output HDR signal to your display (TV or Projector). For those who have multiple devices, pls do take note. There is no problem with your HDMI cable, your Anthem MRX AVR or your TV/Projector but rather the way HDMI Input with MHL did not accept HDR signal - however it has no problem displaying 4K content up to 60fps at Rec 709...just not HDR/BT2020 colorspace. So be mindful of that.

Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: desray on March 29, 2019, 07:24
Eagerly waiting for the ARC Genesis to be released - hopefully next week :P
Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: kaydee6 on April 05, 2019, 14:37
ARC Genesis release should be any day now..
Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: Colgate on April 05, 2019, 15:18
I noticed jap products packed with more components and features compare to "angmoh" brands which could be justified by its price...

'Angmoh' price can be even double or triple and
Yet it is more empty space inside the metal case.

I personally, HT will go for japun brand but stereo
Go for 'angmoh' brand

 ;D
Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: YANG on April 05, 2019, 15:28
Well... more ingredients(aka "liao"), lesser space for heat dissipation.
It's like comparing Honda Civic to Ford Mondeo... 
Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: desray on April 05, 2019, 15:28
ARC Genesis release should be any day now..

Yep. But I doubt Anthem will release it this week. Probably next week.



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Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: desray on April 05, 2019, 15:34
I noticed jap products packed with more components and features compare to "angmoh" brands which could be justified by its price...

'Angmoh' price can be even double or triple and
Yet it is more empty space inside the metal case.

I personally, HT will go for japun brand but stereo
Go for 'angmoh' brand

 ;D

Quite the opposite for me. But you are right the Ang Moh brands seemed more “hollow” inside in terms of features etc. They usually go for what matters most and what truly brings out the best in their products rather than giving you all kinds of features but rarely used.

This is my first “Ang moh” AVR the reason I giving the Japs AVR a break is because I wanted to try something new and refreshing. All these years been playing with either Onkyo, if not Denon and Marantz. A much needed change is what I need I guess and I’m must say that I’m not disappointed.



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Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: desray on April 05, 2019, 15:36
Well... more ingredients(aka "liao"), lesser space for heat dissipation.
It's like comparing Honda Civic to Ford Mondeo...

Quite true. Heat is the biggest foe for any electronics. Efficient heat dissipation is very very important for both performance and the lifespan of the AVR.



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Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: rock123 on April 05, 2019, 22:21
I noticed jap products packed with more components and features compare to "angmoh" brands which could be justified by its price...

'Angmoh' price can be even double or triple and
Yet it is more empty space inside the metal case.

I personally, HT will go for japun brand but stereo
Go for 'angmoh' brand

 ;D

Hmm very familiar wordings. :)

Enjoy HT Bros!
Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: winwinc81 on April 05, 2019, 22:29
I noticed jap products packed with more components and features compare to "angmoh" brands which could be justified by its price...

'Angmoh' price can be even double or triple and
Yet it is more empty space inside the metal case.

I personally, HT will go for japun brand but stereo
Go for 'angmoh' brand

 ;D

Hmmm...a strange blend of sophistry I sense... To justification of its own. 🤭

No hard feelings bro don't worry.. we know where you come from
Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: Colgate on April 06, 2019, 19:30
Hmmm...a strange blend of sophistry I sense... To justification of its own. 🤭

No hard feelings bro don't worry.. we know where you come from

Perhaps you may want to clarify with your statement of "strange blend of sophistry I sense"
Why should I worry about feeling? I did NOT even comment on your thread.
Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: Colgate on April 06, 2019, 19:35

Hmm very familiar wordings. :)


What do you mean ?

Enjoy your weekend
Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: kennyluck2000 on April 06, 2019, 20:05
Perhaps you may want to clarify with your statement of "strange blend of sophistry I sense"
Why should I worry about feeling? I did NOT even comment on your thread.


Bro, Spiderwoman looking for you...
Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: YANG on April 17, 2019, 11:07
Quite true. Heat is the biggest foe for any electronics. Efficient heat dissipation is very very important for both performance and the lifespan of the AVR.
(http://audiovideo.fi/sites/default/files/anthem-mrx-510-vs-mrx.710-muuntajat-6914.jpg)
MRx5 and MRx7 uncovered

vs

(https://cdn.price.com.hk/k/NzM5ML3QvMjBhMjU2L2YvODUweDAvaHR0cHM6Ly9pMS53cC5jb20vcGVyc29uYWxhdWRpby5oay93cC1jb250ZW50L3VwbG9hZHMvMjAxOC8wNi9Pbmt5b19UWFJaODMwX0hpRmlSZXZpZXdfUGVyc29uYWxBdWRpb18xMS5qcGc/cmVzaXplPTk2MCw2NDA)
Jippun Kia RZ-830 about the same price range
Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: desray on April 17, 2019, 11:29
(http://audiovideo.fi/sites/default/files/anthem-mrx-510-vs-mrx.710-muuntajat-6914.jpg)
MRx5 and MRx7 uncovered

vs

(https://cdn.price.com.hk/k/NzM5ML3QvMjBhMjU2L2YvODUweDAvaHR0cHM6Ly9pMS53cC5jb20vcGVyc29uYWxhdWRpby5oay93cC1jb250ZW50L3VwbG9hZHMvMjAxOC8wNi9Pbmt5b19UWFJaODMwX0hpRmlSZXZpZXdfUGVyc29uYWxBdWRpb18xMS5qcGc/cmVzaXplPTk2MCw2NDA)
Jippun Kia RZ-830 about the same price range

Haha. So barren in the innards for Ang Moh brand.

Anthem ARC is the key to a better sounding home theater experience. Considering that it is an in house proprietary calibration software down to the mic. We can expect a synergy between software and hardware.

Audyssey is a third party calibration suite used by most Japanese brands and till this date, whole it may not be the best in everything, there is no doubt that it is one of the top few that we can rely on for a good home theater surround sound experience without worrying too much.


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Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: ronildoq on April 17, 2019, 12:04

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Anthem ARC is the key to a better sounding home theater experience. Considering that it is an in house proprietary calibration software down to the mic. We can expect a synergy between software and hardware.

Audyssey is a third party calibration suite used by most Japanese brands and till this date, whole it may not be the best in everything, there is no doubt that it is one of the top few that we can rely on for a good home theater surround sound experience without worrying too much.


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In house is good, not at anyone's mercy.....

How is the new version for ARC? Dirac is also coming out with new Bass Management modules....

Haven't release yet...will be this month.
Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: desray on April 28, 2019, 17:22
http://www.youtube.com/v/abpDTugNWDA&fs=1

An introduction to the Anthem MRX series...

http://www.youtube.com/v/J7hx9HSQYWI&fs=1

Here's the more expensive AVM60 11.2ch...

Waiting patiently for the ARC Geneis to arrive next week :)


Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: desray on May 02, 2019, 07:24
For Anthem users waiting for the ARC Genesis. Hate to inform that ARC Genesis has been delayed due to some last minute technical issues with the software but Anthem has since resolved it. While although it did not live up to its promise to release it by end of Apr. It did respond to my query and they targeted this Fri.

We shall see.


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Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: kaydee6 on May 03, 2019, 09:55
Genesis is out
Title: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: desray on May 03, 2019, 13:09
Yes. You beat me to it.

Here’s the link to download: https://www.anthemarc.com/downloads/index.php

I will be trying this out later tonight or tmr. Now working.

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Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: desray on May 03, 2019, 22:51
Just finished my first 10 points measurement and I have to say that ARC Genesis is taking ARC to the next level. If ARC 2 calibration sounds great to you...Genesis just make everything even better with more transparent sound and tighter bass.

So far I only used the Auto mode. Tmr I will try to Professional mode to see what kind of changes I can made.

I am very happy with what Genesis does to my overall 7.2.4 sound system. Simply amazing!!!

Good work Anthem!!!
Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: desray on May 04, 2019, 11:25
It appears that the MacOS version of the ARC Genesis has some teething compatibility issues here. So there are some bugs that need to be addressed by Anthem for Mac users. For Windows users, I'm happy to report that it worked right out of the box with no issue.
Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: john_125 on May 04, 2019, 13:20
Can't wait to try it out. Uncalibrated amp already sounds very good to me :)
Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: desray on May 04, 2019, 13:36
Can't wait to try it out. Uncalibrated amp already sounds very good to me :)

This is a whole "new" level of sound altogether. I will provide some user experience here later today or tmr.

http://www.youtube.com/v/P2-VDJcAOog&fs=1
Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: desray on May 04, 2019, 15:31
Here are some screencaps of the new ARC Genesis interface. Compared to the previous version (ARC 2), the interface is much more cleaner and exude a more "pro" look and feel. As you can see, Anthem is trying to emulate D&M setup user interface depicting the diagram to the right to "prompt" the user to move from one calibration position to the next. The design interface is touch-friendly meaning you can use your fat finger or a stylus to move around with ease. No more squinting of eyes to struggle and see the wordings.

(http://xtremeplace.ddns.net/images/misc/anthem-mrx-720/anthem_arc_genesis_spk_setup.JPG)

(http://xtremeplace.ddns.net/images/misc/anthem-mrx-720/anthem_arc_genesis_uploading.JPG)

(http://xtremeplace.ddns.net/images/misc/anthem-mrx-720/anthem_arc_genesis_measuring1.JPG)

(http://xtremeplace.ddns.net/images/misc/anthem-mrx-720/anthem_arc_genesis_measuring2.JPG)

The most interesting section of this new version of ARC is the ability to adjust Max EQ frequency for each individual speaker group (e.g. Dolby Atmos height speakers or just the Surround channels) from 200Hz all the way up to 5kHz or higher (though not advisable as too high, the frequency range becomes more "audible" - localized). You can now have more granular control over the Room Gain by only affecting a certain range of frequency instead of the entire range. There is a "new" feature called, Deep Bass Boost which allows one to build a unique "house curve" by adding a few db to the lower range and once again, you can choose to set the epicenter of the frequency range for the Deep Bass Boost to take effect. This is especially useful if you want that ULF kick below human audible range starting from  80Hz and below with adjustable gain up to +6db.

(http://xtremeplace.ddns.net/images/misc/anthem-mrx-720/anthem_arc_genesis_adjust_targets.JPG)

There is also another "new" feature called, Tilt level which I still can't figure out what it does...probably affect one end of the spectrum with an equal and opposite gain/attenuation at the other end. Not sure what it is for...Need to explore more.

For the very first time, individual speaker has its very own high-frequency roll-off to complement the LFE crossover (bass management). What Anthem does is it will take each speaker natural low frequency roll-off and the subwoofer(s) high frequency roll-off to determine the optimal HL and LF roll-off from speakers to the subwoofers and this is "crown jewel" of ARC that differentiate itself from the more traditional Room EQ found in Audyssey, AccuEQ Phase, YPAO and MCACC...
Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: desray on May 12, 2019, 15:44
New version of ARC Genesis released by Anthem on 11 May 19.

Download link: https://www.anthemarc.com/downloads/index.php (https://www.anthemarc.com/downloads/index.php)

Changelog:
Version 1.0.1.8867
- Added a new shortcut in the start menu that forces ARC Genesis to use the angle library rather than the GPU's

- changes to preferences are commited on immediate exit

- loading indicator is now shown with device image image in middle on screen

- 'button' User-Interface (UI) element can now support two lines of text

- removed duplicate completion text for reset eq screen

- added a browse for calibration file to mic selection screen

- fixed an issue where calibration files that included 'Anthem', 'Paradigm' or 'MartinLogan' in the filename were not supported

- fixed an issue where some code paths did not properly handle unicode text/paths

- added a web download link for manual calibration file download

- fixed the issue where some users were unable to download calibration files, or would get the "critical audio problem" during the initialization phase of measurements

- filtered duplicate devices in the supported devices screen

- paired (left/right) MartinLogan Masterpiece series speakers now have a unique curve color for the left/right speaker

- fixed packaging of mac release where license.txt and firmware update files were not being copied to the application bundle
Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: desray on May 12, 2019, 16:03
After playing with ARC Genesis for an extensive period of time (for 1 week) and I must say that Anthem ARC is even more refined than ever before. The new features in ARC Genesis allow users with more flexibility in tweaking the sound to the heart's content. I have to say that it has now reached the level refinement of Dirac Live. The only missing feature missing from ARC Genesis or ARC 2 is the time domain that affects the phase which can easily be fine tuned by other means - playing a 80 Hz sine wave (or the crossover value set by ARC) and play around with the phase control and distance measurement.

I am happy to say that my Anthem MRX 720 has sounded even better after calibrating with ARC Genesis. If you have the budget and wants to try some other Room EQ algorithm other than the Audyssey, Anthem MRX or the AVM60 Pre-pro should be placed on top of your short-list.


Well done Anthem!

Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: ralfale on May 12, 2019, 16:04
I’m impressed. Really looks good.
Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: desray on May 12, 2019, 16:32
I’m impressed. Really looks good.

Will pay you a visit soon to hear your StormAudio - likely next weekend Sun late morning.
Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: ralfale on May 12, 2019, 17:17
Arrange offline :)
Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: desray on May 12, 2019, 18:02
Arrange offline :)

Yes pl.


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Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: ronildoq on May 12, 2019, 18:26
Here are some screencaps of the new ARC Genesis interface. Compared to the previous version (ARC 2), the interface is much more cleaner and exude a more "pro" look and feel. As you can see, Anthem is trying to emulate D&M setup user interface depicting the diagram to the right to "prompt" the user to move from one calibration position to the next. The design interface is touch-friendly meaning you can use your fat finger or a stylus to move around with ease. No more squinting of eyes to struggle and see the wordings.

(http://xtremeplace.ddns.net/images/misc/anthem-mrx-720/anthem_arc_genesis_spk_setup.JPG)

(http://xtremeplace.ddns.net/images/misc/anthem-mrx-720/anthem_arc_genesis_uploading.JPG)

(http://xtremeplace.ddns.net/images/misc/anthem-mrx-720/anthem_arc_genesis_measuring1.JPG)

(http://xtremeplace.ddns.net/images/misc/anthem-mrx-720/anthem_arc_genesis_measuring2.JPG)

The most interesting section of this new version of ARC is the ability to adjust Max EQ frequency for each individual speaker group (e.g. Dolby Atmos height speakers or just the Surround channels) from 200Hz all the way up to 5kHz or higher (though not advisable as too high, the frequency range becomes more "audible" - localized). You can now have more granular control over the Room Gain by only affecting a certain range of frequency instead of the entire range. There is a "new" feature called, Deep Bass Boost which allows one to build a unique "house curve" by adding a few db to the lower range and once again, you can choose to set the epicenter of the frequency range for the Deep Bass Boost to take effect. This is especially useful if you want that ULF kick below human audible range starting from  80Hz and below with adjustable gain up to +6db.

(http://xtremeplace.ddns.net/images/misc/anthem-mrx-720/anthem_arc_genesis_adjust_targets.JPG)

There is also another "new" feature called, Tilt level which I still can't figure out what it does...probably affect one end of the spectrum with an equal and opposite gain/attenuation at the other end. Not sure what it is for...Need to explore more.

For the very first time, individual speaker has its very own high-frequency roll-off to complement the LFE crossover (bass management). What Anthem does is it will take each speaker natural low frequency roll-off and the subwoofer(s) high frequency roll-off to determine the optimal HL and LF roll-off from speakers to the subwoofers and this is "crown jewel" of ARC that differentiate itself from the more traditional Room EQ found in Audyssey, AccuEQ Phase, YPAO and MCACC...

Very nice !

I have the same options on the lyngdorf to use “natural roll off”, for each speakers. Quite interesting, a lot of the folks in Europe are using this feature, bass is still being defined on the aspect of what gets sent to bass management plus the speakers will receive the full range signal and be allowed to roll off naturally according to its characteristics... the Eq programme also phase aligns the speakers with subs, this is the part where RP does a good job, check out that one on the ARC

This feature is commonly found on Denon or Onkyo as LFE + Mains, double bass...

One noted problem with this is bloated bass, but I believe the EQ programme does something different to make it sound good and less bloated,  check that as well, I haven’t tried this feature

I subscribed to the idea that subwoofers are better off handling frequency below 100hz, leave the headroom for the mains for it to cruise and be relieved of any bass duties down till its roll off frequency

There is also a lot of capable full range speakers out there that can do a good job down 20hz ...
Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: desray on May 24, 2019, 07:30
Anthem is really going forward with their new ARC Genesis...here's the beta release. Mostly fixes.

Full changelog for this version 1.1.0.8908:
- added support for many older Paradigm Subwoofers (8872): DSP-3100, DSP-3200, DSP-3400, Signature SUB 25, Monitor SUB 10, Monitor SUB 12, Monitor SUB 8, SE Sub, SUB 1, SUB 2, SUB 12, SUB 15, UltraCube 10, UltraCube 12, X-300
- MacOS: fixed an issue where microphones with serial number less than roughly 308000 would incorrectly measure at the maximum microphone volume (1410)
- fixed issue where ARC Genesis would measure 3 dB lower than ARC2 (1410)
- fixed an issue where ARC Genesis would not release exclusive control when leaving quick measure (1376)
- fixed an issue where ARC would claim to have downloaded the microphone calibration file, but it actually failed. (1405)
- MacOS: minor correctness fix in the face of errors when enumerating usb devices (650 and 800)
- MacOS: improved robustness of USB device support (650 and 800)
- fixed clicking cancel in the open file screen causes the app to crash (1392)
- fixed Tilt Start Frequency displays incorrect information in the PDF report (1418)
- fixed an app crash that occured if you clicked 'cancel' after getting communication errors during the connecting screen (1424)
- fixed issue where app could crash after audio errors during measurement and the user went back to the home screen (1331)
- fixed an issue where scrollbars where not always showing in dropdowns (1411)
- fixed an issue where the 'Resume' was displayed instead of 'Start' in the measurement screen (1370)
- fixed typo correction "Currected" to "Corrected" (1409)
- added a loading indicator for quick measure initialization & removed visibility of unused graph title (1383)
- increased visibility of no microphone message
- info popup centered below info icon
- open file screen clears previous device image (1393)
- back button from mic selection screen returns to configure screen (1372)
- red error text fix for measurement screen
- fixed possible clipping in MRX x10/x20 when ARC is turned on (content dependent) (1415)

Download link: https://www.anthemarc.com/downloads/beta.php (https://www.anthemarc.com/downloads/beta.php)

 :D
Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: desray on June 29, 2019, 11:36
New update to the ARC Genesis s/w released! Here are the detailed changelogs:

Version 1.1.0.9006
- added audio capture entitlement when signing macos version to prevent crash on macos 10.14.5
- request audio capture permission when first entering the microphone selection screen
- Added Spanish translations
- Added official Anthem MDX-8 and MDX-16 support
- fixed issue where the demo mode was using duplicate curves for position 1 and position 2 (1169)
- improved handling of changes to the speaker / measurement mapping (1455)
- prevent -0.0 from being selecte as a test tone level during the auto level sequence (1427)
- further improvements to always release exclusive control as soon as possible (1376)
- further refinements to calibration file download
- fixed Defiance X10/X12/X15 don't work over USB connections (1397)
- fixed issue where windows versions incorrectly required the user to have the vs2012 redistributable installed (1432)
- fixed auto phase adjust sweep output for STR Integrated R and L subs (1406)
- improved handling for when phase adjust needs arc upload (1333)
- decreased phase adjust sweep volume  (1334)
- added cancel button to the auto phase screen (1439)
- improved audio error handling on windows
- improved handling of usb errors (mac and windows)
- added automatic check for new ARC Genesis updates, prompts with option to open browser and download manually
- added option to enroll for beta releases (in preferences screen)
- increased STR profile name to allow up to 9 characters (maximum currently supported by STR IP commands)
- added notarization for mac OS builds to support mac os 10.14.5 or later
- added support for many older Paradigm Subwoofers (8872): DSP-3100, DSP-3200, DSP-3400, Signature SUB 25, Monitor SUB 10, Monitor SUB 12, Monitor SUB 8, SE Sub, SUB 1, SUB 2, SUB 12, SUB 15, UltraCube 10, UltraCube 12, X-300
- fixed Defiance X10/X12/X15 don't work (1397)
- MacOS: fixed an issue where microphones with serial number less than roughly 308000 would incorrectly measure at the maximum microphone volume (1410)
- fixed issue where ARC Genesis would measure 3 dB lower than ARC2 (1410)
- fixed an issue where ARC Genesis would not release exclusive control when leaving quick measure (1376)
- fixed an issue where ARC would claim to have downloaded the microphone calibration file, but it actully failed. (1405)
- MacOS: minor correctness fix in the face of errors when enumerating usb devices (650 and 800)
- MacOS: improved robustness of USB device support (650 and 800)
- fixed clicking cancel in the open file screen causes the app to crash (1392)
- fixed Tilt Start Frequency displays incorrect information in the PDF report (1418)
- fixed an app crash that occured if you clicked 'cancel' after getting communication errors durring the connecting screen (1424)
- fixed issue where app could crash after audio errors during measurment and the user went back to the home screen (1331)
- fixed an issue where scrollbars where not always showing in dropdowns (1411)
- fixed an issue where the 'Resume' was displayed instead of 'Start' in the measurement screen (1370)
- fixed typo correction "Currected" to "Corrected" (1409)
- added a loading indicator for quick measure initialization & removed visiblitly of unused graph title (1383)
- increased visibility of no microphone message
- info popup centered below info icon
- open file screen clears previous device image (1393)
- back button from mic selection screen returns to configure screen (1372)
- red error text fix for measurement screen
- fixed possible clipping in MRX x10/x20 when ARC is turned on (content dependent) (1415)


Download here: https://www.anthemarc.com/downloads/index.php

Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: desray on July 06, 2019, 12:11
There is a bug in this latest stable release and this was acknowledged by the Anthem Support Team. So a PSA for all Anthem users to refrain from over-writing the previous stable release. I have been advised to use the Beta release instead (sport the same version number in their website but it is different according to the Tech support).
Title: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: desray on July 06, 2019, 12:13
My Anthem MRX 720/1120 has found a “new owner” and as such, I will not be able to contribute actively to this thread anymore. For those who are using Anthem, I urge other owner to continue to use this thread for updates in terms of firmware or any issue(s) etc.
Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: keano on July 18, 2019, 12:51
Just swap out my Onkyo RZ1100 for the Anthem MRX and wow.....
Clarity with punch like the Onkyo.
Poisoned by Desray's post on the Anthem and am glad I took the plunge.
More should be done to market this gem to the local market.
Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: desray on July 18, 2019, 13:11
Just swap out my Onkyo RZ1100 for the Anthem MRX and wow.....
Clarity with punch like the Onkyo.
Poisoned by Desray's post on the Anthem and am glad I took the plunge.
More should be done to market this gem to the local market.

Glad you like it... :)
Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: Pismo Mac on July 18, 2019, 23:21
The Expert Group, dealers for B&W and Rotel, are now dealers for Anthem as well.


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Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: desray on July 19, 2019, 06:41
The Expert Group, dealers for B&W and Rotel, are now dealers for Anthem as well.


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Thanks for sharing. I didn’t know that.



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Title: Re: Official Anthem MRX 720/1120 thread (II)
Post by: desray on September 10, 2019, 20:37
Great news for Anthem owners...Anthem will be providing a free upgrade for the current (3rd-Gen) MRX AVRs with an IMAX Enhanced upmixing in 6 weeks time!

Source: https://www.stereo.net.au/news/imax-enhanced-anthem-keeps-giving (https://www.stereo.net.au/news/imax-enhanced-anthem-keeps-giving)


Something to look forward to... :)