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Title: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: WuffRuff on September 26, 2018, 14:03
I understand this question is rather generic.
But models are too many to list.
I am shopping in 2nd hand market so its easier to just search based on brands.
If you have any particular recommendation of something below $1500 you can list it also.
Thanks.
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: YANG on September 26, 2018, 14:37
Together under $1.5k? Hmmm... not easy if you want mid end stuff...
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: BadEnglish on September 26, 2018, 15:17
Onkyo and Jamo
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: sigurros on September 26, 2018, 17:34
If you are ok with soundbar, the yamaha YSP-2700.

HN has demo at Millennia. Have a listen. Its not too shabby. Was on sale for $1499
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: WuffRuff on September 27, 2018, 06:29
Another noob question here. :-[

If i have movies in my hard drive, are there any types of AVRs where I can connect the hard drive to AVR via USB and play the movies?
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: WuffRuff on September 27, 2018, 06:40
If you are ok with soundbar, the yamaha YSP-2700.

HN has demo at Millennia. Have a listen. Its not too shabby. Was on sale for $1499

I had tested at Yamaha showroom at Plaza Sing.
The $500+ most basic 5.1+AVR beats the $2749 sound bar hands down.
After this experience, I'm not even taking a glance at sound bars.
Nothing beats real physical surround speakers, no matter how expensive and high tech the sound bars.
For sound bars, you are paying a lot for the technology to produce the surround sound in a single small bar; but you still will not get the same sound quality as physical 5.1 speakers.
The drawback is of course the cumbersome wiring but since I am doing renovations, I can just run the cables into the L box.
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: WuffRuff on September 27, 2018, 06:44
Onkyo and Jamo

Was also considering between Onkyo, Jamo and Denon.
I've seen many of these available for under $500 on Carousell.
Too many.... don't know which one to get.
Which brand is better for music?
I will use them for movies but often movies have music and I'm more particular about the music sound than other types of sounds.
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: rayleh on September 27, 2018, 07:58
Don't think you can play movies on the HDD by connecting to the AVR. You are better off with a standalone media player.
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: BadEnglish on September 27, 2018, 08:35
Was also considering between Onkyo, Jamo and Denon.
I've seen many of these available for under $500 on Carousell.
Too many.... don't know which one to get.
Which brand is better for music?
I will use them for movies but often movies have music and I'm more particular about the music sound than other types of sounds.

Denon AVR is known to have musical sonic character.
Pairing denon AVR with Jamo speakers should be a nice match.
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: Bbos37 on September 27, 2018, 10:24
Something I could not understand,with so much technology improvements in AVR almost all AVR I know of still only allows music steaming and pictures viewing through their AVR.
Video is exclusively disabled.
And no I don’t think this has something to do with copyright protection.


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Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: darlynvcs on September 27, 2018, 15:32
You may consider marantz avr if music is your main concern.

Notice that you created quite a few thread on PJ and home theater, why not lump everything into a single thread for easy tracking.
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: audiokit on September 27, 2018, 18:16
You may consider marantz avr if music is your main concern.

Notice that you created quite a few thread on PJ and home theater, why not lump everything into a single thread for easy tracking.
+1 Marantz AVR

Pair with Anthony Gallos if budget allows.


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Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: Doggie Howser on September 27, 2018, 19:43
As much as I love Marantz gear, they are let down by the amplifier section.

I’ve recently swapped the Marantz 6012 for the Arcam AVR550 and an Anthem MRX720 And they just sound amazing.

The new amps create a wall of sound to the left and right walls as sound effects pan across the room. We are all familiar with how a pair of speakers can create a soundstage in front of you but with good multichannel amps, they can create the same effect between say the front right and surround right speakers too. Damn impressive.
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: desray on September 27, 2018, 20:25
As much as I love Marantz gear, they are let down by the amplifier section.

I’ve recently swapped the Marantz 6012 for the Arcam AVR550 and an Anthem MRX720 And they just sound amazing.

The new amps create a wall of sound to the left and right walls as sound effects pan across the room. We are all familiar with how a pair of speakers can create a soundstage in front of you but with good multichannel amps, they can create the same effect between say the front right and surround right speakers too. Damn impressive.

Glad you like the sound.
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: Boxerfan88 on September 28, 2018, 06:59
Could it be due to CPU/DSP juice inside AVR not powerful enough to do video processing/playback?

I always thought AVR internal processing is targetted mainly at audio; and only do basic video switching/routing.

I’ve not come across AVR with built in USB video source/TV tuner source/color tone/video enhancement processing etc.


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Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: WuffRuff on September 30, 2018, 07:37
Denon AVR is known to have musical sonic character.
Pairing denon AVR with Jamo speakers should be a nice match.

Thanks, I thought Denon would be good too.
Wouldn't it be better to pair Denon AVR with Denon speakers?
Are Jamo speakers that good?
I saw a set of 5.1 on Carousell going for $180 only.
Is that a great buy?
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: WuffRuff on September 30, 2018, 07:38
You may consider marantz avr if music is your main concern.

Notice that you created quite a few thread on PJ and home theater, why not lump everything into a single thread for easy tracking.

Didn't lump the threads together because the topics are all very different.
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: WuffRuff on September 30, 2018, 07:42
As much as I love Marantz gear, they are let down by the amplifier section.

I’ve recently swapped the Marantz 6012 for the Arcam AVR550 and an Anthem MRX720 And they just sound amazing.

The new amps create a wall of sound to the left and right walls as sound effects pan across the room. We are all familiar with how a pair of speakers can create a soundstage in front of you but with good multichannel amps, they can create the same effect between say the front right and surround right speakers too. Damn impressive.

Errr.... so now Denon +1
Marantz +2-1 = +1

Any more voters or comments on AVR and speakers brands?

Pls don't suggest high end brands ah...
Denon and Marantz level are fine.
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: WuffRuff on September 30, 2018, 07:45
Don't think you can play movies on the HDD by connecting to the AVR. You are better off with a standalone media player.

I have a NAS drive with media player function.
It can connect via HDMI to a TV and play the movies in it.
In this case, will it work with an AVR?
What about if I connect the drive to the projector via HDMI?
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: Doggie Howser on September 30, 2018, 08:06
Over in Australia the Marantz 6012 is about 2.2k

The Anthem MRX520 is 2.1k. Hence my recommendation since you limited it to 5.1
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: BadEnglish on September 30, 2018, 08:29
Thanks, I thought Denon would be good too.
Wouldn't it be better to pair Denon AVR with Denon speakers?
Are Jamo speakers that good?
I saw a set of 5.1 on Carousell going for $180 only.
Is that a great buy?

Those tiny cube speakers are considered good if you have a small room e.g living room ood 3 room flat size.  Jamo has all level of range from cube to floor stander suite your budget and need.
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: BadEnglish on September 30, 2018, 08:36
I have a NAS drive with media player function.
It can connect via HDMI to a TV and play the movies in it.
In this case, will it work with an AVR?
What about if I connect the drive to the projector via HDMI?
Short answer : yes
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: Wilber on September 30, 2018, 09:49
the avr does not have the power to support hdd but thumbdrive yes.
and you're limited to fat32 file system, not ntfs.
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: CASH on September 30, 2018, 14:48
"Onkyo with Paradigm speakers" even more better sounding than "Onkyo with Jamo speakers."
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: kenshin07 on October 01, 2018, 11:25
Errr.... so now Denon +1
Marantz +2-1 = +1

Any more voters or comments on AVR and speakers brands?

Pls don't suggest high end brands ah...
Denon and Marantz level are fine.

I paired the denon, onkyo avr with quad bookshelf b4. Dynamic and with good clarity. Doesnt feel fatiguing.
Easy to drive. If budget allows can consider.
I have recommended a few friends and so far many of them felt very satisfied.
I saw in carosell selling the quad 21L for $800 and 11L for $ 320

Quad 11L Speakers for S$320 https://sg.carousell.com/p/187204640

Quad 21L for S$800 https://sg.carousell.com/p/189429178

Just add the same center spk and you good to go with many years of enjoyment.

The quad does it job well with HT and music usage.

Thank
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: YANG on October 01, 2018, 11:58
...Pls don't suggest high end brands ah...
Denon and Marantz level are fine.
MARANTZ is sibeh the K.N.#! considerably "high" liaoz... U ever encounter Marantz full sized AVAmp that is priced under $700? Don't talk about the old models that's currently in clearing price huh... ;D
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: sigurros on October 01, 2018, 12:47
MARANTZ is sibeh the K.N.#! considerably "high" liaoz... U ever encounter Marantz full sized AVAmp that is priced under $700? Don't talk about the old models that's currently in clearing price huh... ;D

Haha Maybe denon 8500 at 4.9k considered low end?
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: jonlee on October 01, 2018, 13:19
Over in Australia the Marantz 6012 is about 2.2k

The Anthem MRX520 is 2.1k. Hence my recommendation since you limited it to 5.1
Is Anthem available in SG?
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: sigurros on October 01, 2018, 13:23
Is Anthem available in SG?
https://www.harveynorman.com.sg/tv-blu-ray-and-home-theatre/home-theatre-and-speakers/av-receivers/anthem-av-receiver-mrx-520.html
https://www.harveynorman.com.sg/tv-blu-ray-and-home-theatre/home-theatre-and-speakers/av-receivers/anthem-av-receiver-mrx-720.html
MRX-520 at $2550
MRX-720 at $4400.
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: Doggie Howser on October 01, 2018, 16:34
Way cheaper in Australia.

Maybe cheaper in Adelphi. Didn’t desray get from a shop there?
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: YANG on October 01, 2018, 16:51
https://www.harveynorman.com.sg/tv-blu-ray-and-home-theatre/home-theatre-and-speakers/av-receivers/anthem-av-receiver-mrx-520.html
https://www.harveynorman.com.sg/tv-blu-ray-and-home-theatre/home-theatre-and-speakers/av-receivers/anthem-av-receiver-mrx-720.html
MRX-520 at $2550
MRX-720 at $4400.
https://www.hweeseng.com/e-store/home-audio/av-receiver/anthem-mrx-520-receiver.html
http://www.sonicsoundaudio.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=123&products_id=2450
pricing same same... but maybe order from HweeSeng/SonicSoundAudio gets free delivery?
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: Doggie Howser on October 01, 2018, 17:57
Australia price is $2099 and $3499 and $4999 for MRX 520 720 1120
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: desray on October 01, 2018, 21:54
Way cheaper in Australia.

Maybe cheaper in Adelphi. Didn’t desray get from a shop there?

I got my MRX-720 from Hwee Seng direct.
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: jonlee on October 02, 2018, 16:18
I got my MRX-720 from Hwee Seng direct.

Using any external amps?
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: Doggie Howser on October 02, 2018, 18:56
The basic 5.1 amps are imho very good. Haven’t tested the remaining 2/6 on the 720/1120 yet.
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: desray on October 02, 2018, 19:22
The basic 5.1 amps are imho very good. Haven’t tested the remaining 2/6 on the 720/1120 yet.

Doggie is right. The internal amp of Anthem AVR is actually very good. You do not need any a more powerful external amp to drive the speakers.

Trust me when I say the sound quality produced by the Anthem AVR is comparable to a separates.


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Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: desray on October 02, 2018, 19:24
Marketing team from Hwee Seng touched based with me to see if I m interested to do review for their Onkyo AVR line ups but turned it down. 



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Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: Doggie Howser on October 02, 2018, 19:50
I wish they had used those same amps for the remaining 2/6 channels.
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: CASH on October 02, 2018, 22:58
Marketing team from Hwee Seng touched based with me to see if I m interested to do review for their Onkyo AVR line ups but turned it down. 


they should approach me!!! not u...
hehehe!!!


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Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: CASH on October 02, 2018, 22:59
i know onkyo through thick n thin...
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: YANG on October 02, 2018, 23:24
Devoted brand supporter will know what's the long n short part to look out for one la... Too bad no new distribution of Sherwood product...
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: desray on October 03, 2018, 06:22
I have no desire or interest to review the Onkyo line up like I mentioned in my email correspondence to Priscilla from Hwee Seng. However if any member(s) wants to try out their Onkyo AVR and furnish a review in the forum. I can always get Priscilla to get in touch with you to work something out.

Note: I have removed the email correspondence due to the confidentiality portion. Thks to a member for the friendly reminder.
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: CASH on October 03, 2018, 06:41
actually Des, i just put in my comment in Jest....
it was a tongue in cheek kind of comment.
i used to throughly enjoy the old onkyo powerhouse line up.
but market forces has its say in these turbulent times.
the day onkyo took over pioneer, its been a spiral downwards.
and yes, Hwee Seng hasn't done Anthem justice at all.
no support, no info, on anthem products, even though Hwee Seng is the handler here in sg.
i did called Hwee Seng a few years back, to enquire on Anthem, what they told me was shocking.
have to pre order as they don't keep stock. n they can't deal with any warranty issues!!!
how does a company like Hwee Seng run?
fly by night operations??
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: WuffRuff on October 03, 2018, 12:00
I paired the denon, onkyo avr with quad bookshelf b4. Dynamic and with good clarity. Doesnt feel fatiguing.
Easy to drive. If budget allows can consider.
I have recommended a few friends and so far many of them felt very satisfied.
I saw in carosell selling the quad 21L for $800 and 11L for $ 320

Quad 11L Speakers for S$320 https://sg.carousell.com/p/187204640

Quad 21L for S$800 https://sg.carousell.com/p/189429178

Just add the same center spk and you good to go with many years of enjoyment.

The quad does it job well with HT and music usage.

Thank

Thanks for the heads up.
I could consider the Quad for my hifi as I was advised to use bookshelf speakers for my "small" listening room.
Then I could use my floor speakers for the HT in my larger living room.

What is the difference in sound between using small cube speakers, bookshelf speakers and floor speakers?
I feel that floors tend to sound more dynamic and with a bigger soundstage than bookshelves.
But I haven't compared that many of them to be sure as both of them come in such a big range.
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: WuffRuff on October 03, 2018, 12:02
MARANTZ is sibeh the K.N.#! considerably "high" liaoz... U ever encounter Marantz full sized AVAmp that is priced under $700? Don't talk about the old models that's currently in clearing price huh... ;D

So because Marantz has many old models in the market for sale and cheap....I'm obviously talking about those lah.
But not old until like antique lah.
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: WuffRuff on October 03, 2018, 12:09
OK, so the discussion has spiralled into the "upmarket" stuff now.

Back to the topics of brands... how come nobody mentioned Bose?
Thought their cubes were supposed to be good for HT?
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: YANG on October 03, 2018, 12:10
Non full-size yes...
http://www.sonicsoundaudio.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=86&products_id=1993

Full-size... hard to find any seller willing to go as low as under $700
http://www.sonicsoundaudio.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=86&products_id=2559

Even if u go pre-owned... sibeh hard to find a good deal.
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: WuffRuff on October 03, 2018, 12:29
Non full-size yes...
http://www.sonicsoundaudio.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=86&products_id=1993

Full-size... hard to find any seller willing to go as low as under $700
http://www.sonicsoundaudio.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=86&products_id=2559

Even if u go pre-owned... sibeh hard to find a good deal.

You talking about Marantz AVR?
Just looked and saw one SR6007 on Carousell for $420.
For audio amps, I often see many cheaper ones.
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: sigurros on October 03, 2018, 12:32
OK, so the discussion has spiralled into the "upmarket" stuff now.

Back to the topics of brands... how come nobody mentioned Bose?
Thought their cubes were supposed to be good for HT?

You mean Buy Other Sound Equipment?

Yah not bad
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: WuffRuff on October 03, 2018, 12:43
You mean Buy Other Sound Equipment?

Yah not bad

You got me confused here.
So you think its not bad or you are being sarcastic when you said "not bad", as you said to Buy Other Sound Equipment (yes I get the acronym part).
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: WuffRuff on October 03, 2018, 12:45
Short answer : yes

Yes is for Q1 (connect AVR) or Q2 (connect projector)?

Next person said only thumbdrive....

 ???
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: sigurros on October 03, 2018, 12:54
You got me confused here.
So you think its not bad or you are being sarcastic when you said "not bad", as you said to Buy Other Sound Equipment (yes I get the acronym part).


There's so much bros here can advise you in terms of how any equipment will sound based on any particular budget.

Depending what's the determining factor for you, as the final user, for your next HT setup.

Budget? WAF? Usage % HT/ % music?

If budget is the determining factor, then next step is to go to actual show room to listen to those systems within your budget.

Further, how the particular system sounds will be different to different listeners.

But ultimately is your money, get one that's sounds best within the budget.

Provided that upgraditis does not strike you.  ;D

Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: jonlee on October 03, 2018, 13:45
Doggie is right. The internal amp of Anthem AVR is actually very good. You do not need any a more powerful external amp to drive the speakers.

Trust me when I say the sound quality produced by the Anthem AVR is comparable to a separates.


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Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: YANG on October 03, 2018, 14:04
You got me confused here.
So you think its not bad or you are being sarcastic when you said "not bad", as you said to Buy Other Sound Equipment (yes I get the acronym part).

Why do ppl buy BOSE?
Does BOSE products really that good that no competitions can beat them down... even with great bargains and quality components as well as engineering?
What kind of value can BOSE guarantee to it's buyers?
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: virtueblue on October 03, 2018, 14:11
OK, so the discussion has spiralled into the "upmarket" stuff now.

Back to the topics of brands... how come nobody mentioned Bose?
Thought their cubes were supposed to be good for HT?

Hmm truth speaks for itself. We have many hifi and HT enthusiasts here but how many discussed about BOSE products.

This will give you your answer.  ;D
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: reno77 on October 03, 2018, 15:13
Onkyo 686 + Focal Evo 5.1 ? .. Can get the 5.1 from Crutchfield for USD$400..if you're in US..
Also got a guy selling on carousel used for SGD$ 600.
Focal 5.1 for S$600 https://sg.carousell.com/p/191313622
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: wechnivag on October 03, 2018, 15:54
Imo, to TS questions about which avr to get from Carousell. My answer would be the cheapest one that has audyssey xt32. I think if you lucky can get in the 600-800 range cheapest, older models.

Although audyssey is quite dated, having full xt32 correction gives you more mileage than subjective sound quality or amp quality consideration. Can add a 2ch power amp for mains down the road.

For speakers, really challenging. If you have space, go for floor stander mains especially living room setup.

Don't forget to budget for subs....plural.. Hehe

Have fun!

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Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: sigurros on October 03, 2018, 16:10
Onkyo 686 + Focal Evo 5.1 ? .. Can get the 5.1 from Crutchfield for USD$400..if you're in US..
Also got a guy selling on carousel used for SGD$ 600.
Focal 5.1 for S$600 https://sg.carousell.com/p/191313622

Think for TS budget theres a sale of kef t205 full system with a marantz 6007 is a good deal at $1200.

Brand new t205 cost about 2.8k.

KEF T205 Home Theatre speaker system with Marantz sr 6007 5.1 AV receiver for S$1,200 https://sg.carousell.com/p/191837934
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: Doggie Howser on October 03, 2018, 18:46
With AVRs going too cheap and old is counter productive. You were looking at UHD projectors in another thread - the old AVRs won’t even pass the 4K HDMI 2.0 HDCP2.2 protocols
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: sigurros on October 04, 2018, 08:03
With AVRs going too cheap and old is counter productive. You were looking at UHD projectors in another thread - the old AVRs won’t even pass the 4K HDMI 2.0 HDCP2.2 protocols

Cheers Doggie, looking at TS budget of $1.5k.

choices are limited.

The speakers alone is a good price without even considering the old marantz


Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: Doggie Howser on October 04, 2018, 08:31
Cheers Doggie, looking at TS budget of $1.5k.

choices are limited.

The speakers alone is a good price without even considering the old marantz




I am aware of the limitations but it is IMHO better to go into this hobby with the right expectations.

Second hand speakers shouldn't be an issue - and even some of my 20+ years speakers from university days are still rocking. But AVRs are a different issue.

I know you can run dual HDMI into a TV and AVR to circumvent this, but I have always encountered issues with lip sync/delays doing that - and checking most AV/HT forums will show you it is a common problem.

My point is this - if the TS wants a tok-kong UHD system, be prepared to get a reasonably matched audio system as well.

If I was going to cheap out and get an old AVR, I would look at some really vintage AVRs (those old school made in Japan Yamaha or Denon AVRs) with multichannel analog inputs. I have encouraged many guys here to retain those amps and use them as power amps when they upgrade their AVR to the latest generations. Those old AVRs had good gutsy power amp components and they outperform a lot of modern AVRs. The only caveat I have is that the new AVRs need to have multichannel preamp outputs too.

Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: YANG on October 04, 2018, 08:55
This is why my initial reply is... "sibeh tight" liaoz...
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: rayleh on October 04, 2018, 11:26
I agreed to get an AVR which supports all the new protocols and formats. 
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: WuffRuff on October 04, 2018, 22:08
I am aware of the limitations but it is IMHO better to go into this hobby with the right expectations.

Second hand speakers shouldn't be an issue - and even some of my 20+ years speakers from university days are still rocking. But AVRs are a different issue.

I know you can run dual HDMI into a TV and AVR to circumvent this, but I have always encountered issues with lip sync/delays doing that - and checking most AV/HT forums will show you it is a common problem.

My point is this - if the TS wants a tok-kong UHD system, be prepared to get a reasonably matched audio system as well.

If I was going to cheap out and get an old AVR, I would look at some really vintage AVRs (those old school made in Japan Yamaha or Denon AVRs) with multichannel analog inputs. I have encouraged many guys here to retain those amps and use them as power amps when they upgrade their AVR to the latest generations. Those old AVRs had good gutsy power amp components and they outperform a lot of modern AVRs. The only caveat I have is that the new AVRs need to have multichannel preamp outputs too.

OK, so means old AVRs may not be compatible with new HDMI 2.0, is that right?
So better for me to get new AVR.
And I can get old speakers that are selling at good value.
What should I look out for if getting AVR from Carousell to ensure they will work with current formats and the current HDMI 2.0 cables?

By the way, I'm not looking to set up a tok kong HT for now.
I understand the constrains for my budget, so I am just looking for something decent for now.
I do have floor speakers too that I am currently using for music in my room and I plan to upgrade that later on.
So when I get new hifi speakers, then my current one can be used to upgrade the HT speakers too.
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: Doggie Howser on October 05, 2018, 09:56
I find it wasteful to have separate systems for HT and music. Get the best speakers you can for music and it can work for HT too
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: DJQ on October 05, 2018, 10:50
I find it wasteful to have separate systems for HT and music. Get the best speakers you can for music and it can work for HT too
+1  but not all have that luxury to do that. let alone the space for another room. too many factors and depending on the expectations. i find myself spending more money having to integrate Music into HT and vice versa. the rule is if you have a spare room for music, do it. Stereo listening is very different. simple and clean is the rule. observe basic isolation proper placement, you very much have a very high end setup.
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: wechnivag on October 05, 2018, 11:22
For very good price /performance HT  speakers, recommend these definitive Technology.

Mains
Speakers for S$300 https://sg.carousell.com/p/190156297

Center
Definitive Technology ProCinema 1000 Centre Speaker  for S$199 https://sg.carousell.com/p/192406073

Surrounds
Definitive Technology - Mythos Gem Speakers for S$288 https://sg.carousell.com/p/192431377

Cheers!

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Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: whitesox on October 05, 2018, 11:27
I find it wasteful to have separate systems for HT and music. Get the best speakers you can for music and it can work for HT too

+1 ....
I would suggest spending your budget MORE on good speakers (especially for L-C-R if you are HT lover) ... you can upgrade your AVR but still continue to use your speakers.
Spend more... get better setup... more siok more fun and be proud of it... consider getting dual (10" or 12") subs and external amp if you have the budget.
Make friends then you will get poison then spend more .. be prepared... ;D ;D ;D

Which brand of AVR? different person different taste so you need to listen then decide.
 :)
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: YANG on October 05, 2018, 11:36
I find it wasteful to have separate systems for HT and music. Get the best speakers you can for music and it can work for HT too
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Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: WuffRuff on October 05, 2018, 13:25
I find it wasteful to have separate systems for HT and music. Get the best speakers you can for music and it can work for HT too

Well, it's because they are in separate rooms.
I like to listen to music in my bedroom because I like to lie down and listen to music.
Also, I can do a proper room treatment on all 4 walls and ceiling of that room.
I watch TV/Movies/YouTube in my living room because I like to watch TV/Movies/YouTube while eating and snack while watching TV/Movies/YouTube and also, there is space there for the huge 120" screen that I've bought.  ;D
My top priority is my listening room.
I'm not that particular about movie sound quality so something basic would suffice for the HT, therefore that budget.
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: whitesox on October 05, 2018, 14:28
Well, it's because they are in separate rooms.
I like to listen to music in my bedroom because I like to lie down and listen to music.
Also, I can do a proper room treatment on all 4 walls and ceiling of that room.
I watch TV/Movies/YouTube in my living room because I like to watch TV/Movies/YouTube while eating and snack while watching TV/Movies/YouTube and also, there is space there for the huge 120" screen that I've bought.  ;D
My top priority is my listening room.
I'm not that particular about movie sound quality so something basic would suffice for the HT, therefore that budget.

Since you are not so particular then just pick one
From carousell within ur budget.
 :)
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: wechnivag on October 05, 2018, 14:31
Pretty amazing mains for the $$$, check out the stereophile review..

Monitor Audio RS6 Speakers for S$500 https://sg.carousell.com/p/189345683

https://www.stereophile.com/floorloudspeakers/306monitor/index.html



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Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: desray on October 06, 2018, 07:54
I have a NAS drive with media player function.
It can connect via HDMI to a TV and play the movies in it.
In this case, will it work with an AVR?
What about if I connect the drive to the projector via HDMI?

First and foremost, you are not clear with the terms u used. What is NAS drive with media player? The answer is a media player connect directly to your TV. You confused people with a NAS with media player function. Tell me I'm wrong in my interpretation.

If you are talking about connecting the media player to an AVR and then output it to your TV, then of course I see no problem. In fact that should be the preferred method.

Next you asked about connecting the media player or the NAS drive or whatever u are relating and connect it to the projector via HDMI?! What exactly are you trying to say or achieve here? If members here give you confusing answers, it is due to your line of questions that make no sense at all in the first place. Anyway short answer for your second part is "No" unless you are talking about UST projectors like Xiaomi or WeMax with media, amp and speaker all rolled into one. But I don't think you are referring to that.

OMG!!! Now that I saw your title which asks, "can I connect a hard drive to an AVR?" So what exactly are you trying to do here? Connecting a hard drive to a AVR is purely for payback of audio media files mostly since a AVR does not have a dedicated segment to output video by means of deciding, transcoding and send out the image to the TV or projector, u need a intermediary decide like media player to do that for you and pass the video and audio signal via the HDMI and let AVR do the routing for you.

My advice to you, before you post any questions, think it through first before posting. Don't expect anyone to provide you with a correct response when your question are in its own "full of questions to your own question" in the first place.

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Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: kelvinsin on October 06, 2018, 11:38
Wah another Mr.7, every question start a new thread.
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: JeffersDJ on October 06, 2018, 11:52
Short answer : yes
In this setup, the video and audio are separately driven. i.e. video via projector/tv, audio via AVR... question is : Will video and audio in Sync ? Anyone have good experience?
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: BadEnglish on October 06, 2018, 12:24
In this setup, the video and audio are separately driven. i.e. video via projector/tv, audio via AVR... question is : Will video and audio in Sync ? Anyone have good experience?
The short answer is yes.
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: desray on October 06, 2018, 12:40
In this setup, the video and audio are separately driven. i.e. video via projector/tv, audio via AVR... question is : Will video and audio in Sync ? Anyone have good experience?

Let me provide you with the longer answer then...

If your bluray or media player comes with dual HDMI outputs - one for the audio and one for the video...for those with older AVR not capable of passing a 4K signal successfully due to hardware incompatibility like HDCP 2.2 and HDMI 2.0a...and yet you want t enjoy 4K image on your new 4K HDR TV, then connecting the HDMI Output (Main) or HDMI 1 will pipe the video signal direct to the display - 4K TV monitor/Projector while you use the audio for sound reproduction to the AVR. The issue here is there may be some video/audio sync issue due to the different clock speed. Hence it is ALWAYS good to pipe every video/audio signal in one HDMI cable.
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: desray on October 06, 2018, 12:48
@WuffRuff: I have noticed you create new posts very frequently...this is NOT encouraged and counter-intuitive especially the questions have many common grounds. I have moved a few of your threads that has no relation to Home Theater planet to a different one. And please stick to one main topic - for instance, if your question(s) have anything to do with AVR, regardless whether it is for speakers, hard drive connectivity, playback of 4K content, AVR settings, Dolby Atmos, DTS X, Object-based audio and the list goes on...the KEYWORD here is AVR being the CPU at its very core...I don't see why there is a need for you to create separate topics which points to one single hardware - i.e. AVR.

I hope you take it as a constructive advice rather than negative...I'm glad to see noobies posting questions and ask the members here for advice but at the same time, pls also do it in the most "sensible" manner as possible. Be clear and concise in your line of questions to avoid "irrelevant" answers as you are wasting not just the members who have had helped in answering your concerns but your own time as well as you need to rephrase your questions.
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: WuffRuff on October 14, 2018, 07:05
First and foremost, you are not clear with the terms u used. What is NAS drive with media player? The answer is a media player connect directly to your TV. You confused people with a NAS with media player function. Tell me I'm wrong in my interpretation.

If you are talking about connecting the media player to an AVR and then output it to your TV, then of course I see no problem. In fact that should be the preferred method.

Next you asked about connecting the media player or the NAS drive or whatever u are relating and connect it to the projector via HDMI?! What exactly are you trying to say or achieve here? If members here give you confusing answers, it is due to your line of questions that make no sense at all in the first place. Anyway short answer for your second part is "No" unless you are talking about UST projectors like Xiaomi or WeMax with media, amp and speaker all rolled into one. But I don't think you are referring to that.

OMG!!! Now that I saw your title which asks, "can I connect a hard drive to an AVR?" So what exactly are you trying to do here? Connecting a hard drive to a AVR is purely for payback of audio media files mostly since a AVR does not have a dedicated segment to output video by means of deciding, transcoding and send out the image to the TV or projector, u need a intermediary decide like media player to do that for you and pass the video and audio signal via the HDMI and let AVR do the routing for you.

My advice to you, before you post any questions, think it through first before posting. Don't expect anyone to provide you with a correct response when your question are in its own "full of questions to your own question" in the first place.

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OK, sorry for the confusion.
The reason why my question may not be clear is because I am also not very clear about this NAS drive that I'm asking about too.
When I said "NAS drive with media player", I mean it is the NAS drive with media player function.
And if this sounds confusing, then well that's what the manufacturer says (as far as I remember).
It does not say much else about this function except that I can connect it via HDMI to the TV and play movies stored in this NAS hard drive, which I had also mentioned.
So this is all the information I have about this drive and I have given all the information I have, as much as it is inadequate.
And ironically, despite saying that I confused people and not to expect a "correct response to my question", I actually got the answer or understanding I was looking for from your technical explanation as you explained how it works.
So you actually disproved yourself in the same post but anyway thanks for taking the time to explain.
I do try to be clear but sometimes, I am confused myself so how can I be clear?
In any case, the explanation about how things work like yours usually helps.
Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: desray on October 14, 2018, 08:46
OK, sorry for the confusion.
The reason why my question may not be clear is because I am also not very clear about this NAS drive that I'm asking about too.
When I said "NAS drive with media player", I mean it is the NAS drive with media player function.
And if this sounds confusing, then well that's what the manufacturer says (as far as I remember).
It does not say much else about this function except that I can connect it via HDMI to the TV and play movies stored in this NAS hard drive, which I had also mentioned.
So this is all the information I have about this drive and I have given all the information I have, as much as it is inadequate.
And ironically, despite saying that I confused people and not to expect a "correct response to my question", I actually got the answer or understanding I was looking for from your technical explanation as you explained how it works.
So you actually disproved yourself in the same post but anyway thanks for taking the time to explain.
I do try to be clear but sometimes, I am confused myself so how can I be clear?
In any case, the explanation about how things work like yours usually helps.
Thanks for understanding and taking criticisms in a positive light.

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Title: Re: Which brand of AVR and 5.1 speakers are better?
Post by: Doggie Howser on October 14, 2018, 17:43
I always find that it is hard to find an all in one device that does everything you want perfectly.

Sometimes it is best to get products specialized.

There are from memory two types of NAS type media players.

Some are media players running a Linux or Android OS that can support shared drives so if you plug in a SATA or USB drive, it will share the drive on the network for you to copy files onto them.

Great. So they play a lot of media file formats (what a media player should do well) but one drive doesn’t a NAS make.

A NAS should have good reliability with redundant drives and ability to rebuild arrays if one drive fails etc. remote access and high availability designed for 24/7 use.

So then you have type 2 - a high powered NAS like QNAP or Synology with a powerful intel or AMD processor and graphics that can play media files. Because they are basically regular PCs they have HDMI outputs that can play media files out of. Great. But i don’t know what the file format support is on those NAS. I remember they tend to have less format support. Again not a big surprise since they are primarily a NAS builder and that’s what the OS should be geared towards - security and availability and file server performance.

Plus why would you want a noisy NAS next to your home theatre? They usually have fans and drives are noisy too.