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Title: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: sevenz on September 04, 2018, 18:42
https://hometheaterhifi.com/reviews/receiver-processor/receivers/nad-t-777-v3-av-surround-sound-receiver-review/amp/

Just realised the NAD receivers are using Dirac live!  :o :o and can store 5 sound profiles/house curves. Nice.

And the parts are modular. Nad designed it to be upgradable by parts, e.g. for hdmi version proofing. Quite smart

Anyone using the t758 and t777? The online reviews are quite good

(http://www.theaudioexperts.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/NAD-T777-V3-AV-Receiver.jpg)
Title: Re: Anyone using NAD avr? It has Dirac live!
Post by: sevenz on September 04, 2018, 18:57
https://www.residentialsystems.com/.amp/technology/reviewing-nads-t-777-v3-av-surround-receiver

Another review
Title: Re: Anyone using NAD avr? It has Dirac live!
Post by: YANG on September 04, 2018, 19:39
I keep checking out LenBrook FB page for new stocks update ley... but it seems quiet down...
Title: Re: Anyone using NAD avr? It has Dirac live!
Post by: Doggie Howser on September 04, 2018, 19:41
Can you handle only 3 HDMI inputs?
Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: YANG on September 06, 2018, 12:07
Personally, I would't want a "middle party" to "interfere" with video signals from the source origin to final display device, without any knowledge on what are the pros and cons that may affect the video quality in final presentation.
Hence my current setup is straight feed of HDMI from players to the TV. 2 HDMI for video, 1 for HDMI Audio(?)... that's fine...
Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: desray on September 06, 2018, 12:20
Personally, I would't want a "middle party" to "interfere" with video signals from the source origin to final display device, without any knowledge on what are the pros and cons that may affect the video quality in final presentation.
Hence my current setup is straight feed of HDMI from players to the TV.
2 HDMI for video, 1 for HDMI Audio(?)... that's fine...

Good way to implement it...
Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: desray on September 06, 2018, 12:22
https://hometheaterhifi.com/reviews/receiver-processor/receivers/nad-t-777-v3-av-surround-sound-receiver-review/amp/

Just realised the NAD receivers are using Dirac live!  :o :o and can store 5 sound profiles/house curves. Nice.

And the parts are modular. Nad designed it to be upgradable by parts, e.g. for hdmi version proofing. Quite smart

Anyone using the t758 and t777? The online reviews are quite good

(http://www.theaudioexperts.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/NAD-T777-V3-AV-Receiver.jpg)

How much ? NAD should be quite VFM...but will you want to settle for a mediocre hardware for the sake of getting the Dirac Live?
Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: sevenz on September 06, 2018, 12:46
i think MSRP is about $3.6 but can bargain till low 3s.

the hardware - which components not so good ah bro?
Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: Tiktokape on September 06, 2018, 13:16
How much ? NAD should be quite VFM...but will you want to settle for a mediocre hardware for the sake of getting the Dirac Live?
Have you heard of it or just based on specification? Or impression of NAD?


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Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: whitesox on September 06, 2018, 13:19
I admired this bro... really damn good !

It is NAD M17 V2... heavy poisoned already.. and make my 8802a embarrassed.
Soft touch front display

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Title: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: Tiktokape on September 06, 2018, 13:19
GP aka KEF agent has HT setup using NAD AVR with Dirac Live (not sure enabled or not). Go and have a listen. Good or not in one’s ears are subjective. It is paired with Oppo 203 as BRP. Speakers used are either Q/R series ones.
Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: desray on September 06, 2018, 13:30
GP aka KEF agent has HT setup using NAD AVR with Dirac Live (not sure enabled or not). Go and have a listen. Good or not in one’s ears are subjective. It is paired with Oppo 203 as BRP. Speakers used are either Q/R series ones.
Agreed... Go and have a listen before committing.

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Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: desray on September 06, 2018, 15:06
Have you heard of it or just based on specification? Or impression of NAD?


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No Bro. U r right, I should not have come to a conclusion when I did not even hear the NAD in action in person. The impression I had derived from some of the past sources I read about NAD gears. My apologies to the NAD owners if I have offended anyone with my remarks. Agreed that one should not discount immediately after one have actually "hear" the sound performance first.

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Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: desray on September 06, 2018, 15:08


i think MSRP is about $3.6 but can bargain till low 3s.

the hardware - which components not so good ah bro?

I take back my words...it is wrong of me to pass a negative remarks on NAD products when I personally have not experience it myself. My advice, go and have a listen and you will be the judge for yourself.



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Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: sevenz on September 06, 2018, 15:08
GP aka KEF agent has HT setup using NAD AVR with Dirac Live (not sure enabled or not). Go and have a listen. Good or not in one’s ears are subjective. It is paired with Oppo 203 as BRP. Speakers used are either Q/R series ones.

thanks for the feed! one day should check it out.
Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: desray on September 06, 2018, 15:14
At $3K, it is actually quite a premium price to pay...i believe the hardware must be rather premium quality stuff.

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Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: YANG on September 06, 2018, 16:53

I take back my words...it is wrong of me to pass a negative remarks on NAD products when I personally have not experience it myself. My advice, go and have a listen and you will be the judge for yourself.
In the past... back during Pro-Logic matrix surround to AC3 transition period, NAD and ROTEL were considered "soft" in hometheater audio game competition when compared to other makes in the market from the Japs or North Americans(Sherwood, Carver comes to mind). More attentions were put on their stereo products then... which excels in both affordability as well as performance in the music field.

When discrete surround format turns matured, ROTEL takes the lead in performance when compared to NAD. Today... when we reach the full spectrum surround, base on praises and wows in reviews is not enough... I should also find a chance to go audition it... probably not the T777v3 but the little affordable T758v3...
( ;D If NAD can offer improvements on T748... lagi best! ;D )
Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: desray on September 06, 2018, 16:58
These days seldom go down to Adelphi ever since Funan closed down. I think I should pay all the shop owners like Clarence from KEC and Sammy from SD a visit. And of course not forgetting the good staff from GP where I purchased my entire KEF R series.

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Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: YANG on September 06, 2018, 17:10
At $3K, it is actually quite a premium price to pay...i believe the hardware must be rather premium quality stuff.
Well... if you put it to compete with the Brits... Cambridge Audio and ARCAM... Or fellow Canadian ANTHEM?
Perhaps NAD may turn out to be budget winner?
Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: ballhead on September 06, 2018, 17:18
I find my NAD audio hardware to be of way better quality than the AVRs I owned from Onkyo and Denon.  Both brands HDMI cards have fried on me within 1 year, and their backplate connectors were flimsy to say the least.  Not sure if NAD AVRs is of similar hardware quality as their audio series, but from my own user experience, I won't hesitate to consider NAD if shopping for gear...

Also NAD don't quote BS power ratings like the Japanese AVR and their sneaky fine-print power specs, NAD have a Full Disclosure Power policy.  Weblink here: https://support.nadelectronics.com/hc/en-us/articles/360000158988-NAD-Full-Disclosure-Power
Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: ballhead on September 06, 2018, 17:23
These days seldom go down to Adelphi ever since Funan closed down. I think I should pay all the shop owners like Clarence from KEC and Sammy from SD a visit. And of course not forgetting the good staff from GP where I purchased my entire KEF R series.

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Can't beat visiting Lenbrook showroom if wanting to see the widest range of NAD/PSB stuff in SG.  I actually feel quite relaxed there, compared to browsing NAD at Alpha Audio (shuddering at the memory) or other NAD dealers...
Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: desray on September 06, 2018, 17:28
Well... if you put it to compete with the Brits... Cambridge Audio and ARCAM... Or fellow Canadian ANTHEM?
Perhaps NAD may turn out to be budget winner?
Very true...if we group these 3 brands together.

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Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: ronildoq on September 06, 2018, 19:08
I’ve actually had a listen on the t758 model last November 2017 at lenbrook .

That model came with Dirac, but sad It seemed like the clarity, details were missing when I played back some of the familiar Atmos tracks for demo. Atmos Speaker placement in the demo room didn’t feel right either , bass was like errrr.... i didn’t quite liked what I heard in the room, maybe I’m not a fan of the bur brown dacs on the NAD... so not sure if it was the speaker, AVR, or calibration

Later I noticed it wasn’t able to playback dtsx... so not sure if that was fixed or not. Firmware is one concern

Demo guy was very friendly and helpful, he explained in detail how Dirac was set up. Later while checking out Dirac, I noticed he didn’t use the recommended target curve provided by NAD, instead he calibrated the system to a flat target. Also noticed the microphone used is of lower quality ...

Moral of the story, it’s important to Ensure demo room is properly calibrated, otherwise consumers just lose confidence in the product...

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Not sure how this new model v3 sounds, but this seems like the cheapest available Dirac capable AVR. Probably worth another visit



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Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: ronildoq on September 06, 2018, 19:09
Very true...if we group these 3 brands together.

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Arcam is actually quite good, very neutral sound. Not bad really. Arcam anytime over NAD


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Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: desray on September 06, 2018, 19:19
Arcam is actually quite good, very neutral sound. Not bad really. Arcam anytime over NAD


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That's exactly my initial thoughts and impression after reading many reviews between NAD, ROTEL and Arcam comparisons ... But it is not right of me to jump to conclusion and call NAD as inferior to the rest of the lot especially when i never actually listen to it before. I think we should at least give the NAD a listen first before we comment. Hopefully Bro Sevenz like what he hears...

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Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: desray on September 06, 2018, 19:22


I’ve actually had a listen on the t758 model last November 2017 at lenbrook .

That model came with Dirac, but sad It seemed like the clarity, details were missing when I played back some of the familiar Atmos tracks for demo. Atmos Speaker placement in the demo room didn’t feel right either , bass was like errrr.... i didn’t quite liked what I heard in the room, maybe I’m not a fan of the bur brown dacs on the NAD... so not sure if it was the speaker, AVR, or calibration

Later I noticed it wasn’t able to playback dtsx... so not sure if that was fixed or not. Firmware is one concern

Demo guy was very friendly and helpful, he explained in detail how Dirac was set up. Later while checking out Dirac, I noticed he didn’t use the recommended target curve provided by NAD, instead he calibrated the system to a flat target. Also noticed the microphone used is of lower quality ...

Moral of the story, it’s important to Ensure demo room is properly calibrated, otherwise consumers just lose confidence in the product...


Can't agreed more...




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Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: kaydee6 on September 06, 2018, 21:48
On the contrary, my audition at Lenbrook with the nad t777 and psb imagine T3 speakers was one of the best I had. Both for multi channels and 2 channels music. The one I heard at AVone with the AV 850 and Uber expensive Dynaudio speakers can’t hold a candle to it.  The nad and psb speakers demo impressed me so much I went back again and listen to the 2 channels demo weeks later. I would think the m17 and m27 would be even better.
Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: desray on September 07, 2018, 07:04
On the contrary, my audition at Lenbrook with the nad t777 and psb imagine T3 speakers was one of the best I had. Both for multi channels and 2 channels music. The one I heard at AVone with the AV 850 and Uber expensive Dynaudio speakers can’t hold a candle to it.  The nad and psb speakers demo impressed me so much I went back again and listen to the 2 channels demo weeks later. I would think the m17 and m27 would be even better.

Ah...thks for sharing. Further proved the fact that "sound is a very subjective" matter. What sounds so-so may sound great to another person's ears. Another way to look at it is that each iteration or a step up from previous year's model can have a different audio signature and improvement.

Whatever the case maybe, it is recommended for those interested in NAD gears to go and have a listen rather than relying on reviews found in the internet.


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Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: kaydee6 on September 07, 2018, 08:07
The litmus gauge is my wife who was with me on multiple auditions. Naim, neat, focal, pmc, psb, octave, atc, b&w, anthem, elac, Paradigm. When the wife sits up listen and commented this is music, it says something. The lensbrook setup takes the first place for both of us. The worse is b&w. Not all the credit goes to nad, it’s the room and the psb t3 also.
Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: ronildoq on September 07, 2018, 08:44
The arcam that I heard was not at the Av one demo room, it was at a friends place, who uses raidho speakers. So maybe that wasn’t a fair comparison.

I don’t rely on any reviews either, I normally prefer to hear it myself, the Mrs is my second pair of ears and eyes. Quite similar and lucky for us, have a second pair of ears and eyes to confirm.

When I had a listen on the NAD T758, I was focused on a few things.

1. Soundstage & Imaging
2. Atmos
3. Clarity
4. Bass

As it was for HT demo, For the first, my focus was on how the centre channel integrated with the the rest of the speakers in the room. It lacked the depth and width, despite having a large room. The centre channel didn’t produce the kind of wide dispersion expected.For HT, centre is very important, 50% content emanates from centre

2. For Atmos, i always play two type of files, rain/helicopter scene. This two clips will demonstrate how wide the soundstage is for the Atmos set up, as if the skies are above you. Then there is another clip, Santeria something, that clip instead, plays precision type of object based sound, each speaker producing sound from certain direction, within a bubble at the MLP. This will provide the brain some form of directionality, that sound is emnanating from TOP left , or front height right. There needs to be a sense of directitvity, not all above the head. When I played the rain and helicopter scenes, I felt as if rain was above me, but not behind me. So it was out, lacking immersion

3. Clarity was lacking, the sound seemed dull. Lotsa detailes being masked out. It was missing the kind of minor details that I normally hear, fire sound in the background, footsteps, the higher frequencies and airy feel wasn’t present

4. Bass was a no no, lotsa texture missing. Couldn’t feel any movement of bass from left to right or thumping feel, nothing. Very dull.

I didn’t demo further, cos too many downsides for me. So in the end I wasn’t convinced enough....that was my experience last year November 2017. Maybe the upgraded version t777 will tell a different story
Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: ronildoq on September 07, 2018, 08:53
That's exactly my initial thoughts and impression after reading many reviews between NAD, ROTEL and Arcam comparisons ... But it is not right of me to jump to conclusion and call NAD as inferior to the rest of the lot especially when i never actually listen to it before. I think we should at least give the NAD a listen first before we comment. Hopefully Bro Sevenz like what he hears...

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I see, I didn’t read any reviews, I heard about Dirac last year, so was shortlisting a few, then I came across NAD, looks very attractive indeed for its price and went for the demo... I almost lost confidence in Dirac itself... then I realised many things could have been improved in the room, so kept my faith with Dirac

And you right, Best is always to hear it yourself, some may like, some may not like
Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: desray on September 07, 2018, 09:01
The arcam that I heard was not at the Av one demo room, it was at a friends place, who uses raidho speakers. So maybe that wasn’t a fair comparison.

I don’t rely on any reviews either, I normally prefer to hear it myself, the Mrs is my second pair of ears and eyes. Quite similar and lucky for us, have a second pair of ears and eyes to confirm.

When I had a listen on the NAD T758, I was focused on a few things.

1. Soundstage & Imaging
2. Atmos
3. Clarity
4. Bass

As it was for HT demo, For the first, my focus was on how the centre channel integrated with the the rest of the speakers in the room. It lacked the depth and width, despite having a large room. The centre channel didn’t produce the kind of wide dispersion expected.For HT, centre is very important, 50% content emanates from centre

2. For Atmos, i always play two type of files, rain/helicopter scene. This two clips will demonstrate how wide the soundstage is for the Atmos set up, as if the skies are above you. Then there is another clip, Santeria something, that clip instead, plays precision type of object based sound, each speaker producing sound from certain direction, within a bubble at the MLP. This will provide the brain some form of directionality, that sound is emnanating from TOP left , or front height right. There needs to be a sense of directitvity, not all above the head. When I played the rain and helicopter scenes, I felt as if rain was above me, but not behind me. So it was out, lacking immersion

3. Clarity was lacking, the sound seemed dull. Lotsa detailes being masked out. It was missing the kind of minor details that I normally hear, fire sound in the background, footsteps, the higher frequencies and airy feel wasn’t present

4. Bass was a no no, lotsa texture missing. Couldn’t feel any movement of bass from left to right or thumping feel, nothing. Very dull.

I didn’t demo further, cos too many downsides for me. So in the end I wasn’t convinced enough....that was my experience last year November 2017. Maybe the upgraded version t777 will tell a different story
Haha... It confirmed one thing... Not even the superior Dirac Live calibration module can help if your speaker/subwoofer placement, the room itself and your MLP can make your system sound good.

Ground work is still the key. With strong foundation, even Audyssey can bring good results.



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Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: Tiktokape on September 07, 2018, 11:10
@Desray: No worries at all, I thought you have heard before so I asked. I do agree that the older gen NAD gears are just decent, not much to expect on elaborated bells and whistles.

@ronildoq: Mind I ask if you have asked the demo guy at Lenbrook why not target curve was used Dirac? Usually I will ask on-spot to clear the air than leave the door quietly.  I always managed my expectation when dealing with audition on HT stuffs apart from Sound Decision being one of the best in town and readily available.

Aside, what speakers are you using for HT?

@kaydee6: On Acram, the resolution is given but I felt AV One has done wrongly by pairing with Dynaudio as I did went and check it out too. In my mind, it should sound better if via Arcam processor and power combo. Good to know that I'm not alone on NAD.


My take and search are much simpler, both current NAD AVR(s) are fairly decent priced as opposed to Denon's the recent spike in prices. NAD T758 V3 @S$2300 & NAD T777 V3 @S$3799, both are my reference point of budget when Denon 7200WA was retailed at S$3000 - I'm using that at the moment. Of cause, I have shortlisted others like Arcam so long it is uses DIRAC LIVE.

In my case, I have heard NAD AVR(s) both in Lenbrook & GP and pretty much like what I have heard so far. In my opinion, clearly a step-up from the old days in resolution etc. Their M series are good but not price friendly from HT point of view.

Have a read on coverage by AVS - I have been reading on them...
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-receivers-amps-processors/2963742-nad-t777-v3-dolby-atmos-av-receiver-hands-review.html

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-receivers-amps-processors/2895049-nad-758-v3-49.html
Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: sevenz on September 07, 2018, 17:51
Most showrooms dont spend much effort for the setup and calibration.

If they can kindly allow for home trial it would be good. =)
Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: YANG on September 07, 2018, 18:02
Sales folks... in recent years... majority only looking for quick and decisive deals.
U ask for demo, most of them would spend 15mins max nia... they won't burn more than half an hour or so, demonstrate using different materials as well as different combos(with different speakers in this sense)... not to mention calibrate their demo system as according to what kind of environment they're in...

Of course... not all sales folks are like that, there'll be still some old birds that willing to burn their time... Since they were paid to do so...
Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: ronildoq on September 07, 2018, 18:21
Yes tikto, I did ask the guy, why didn’t u use the target curves provided by NAD? They have provided something called “house feel” curve. I Advised him to give it a try.He said he wasn’t aware and his understanding is everything should be calibrated to a flat target....I’ve also shared some thoughts on speaker placement, but again demo room set up is his call...

In the end, I left with hopes dashed, and am still waiting for the next affordable Dirac  processor. Hopefully I’m able to find one that I like soon.....

Am using the GX300 Monitor Audio
Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: ronildoq on September 07, 2018, 18:39
Haha... It confirmed one thing... Not even the superior Dirac Live calibration module can help if your speaker/subwoofer placement, the room itself and your MLP can make your system sound good.

Ground work is still the key. With strong foundation, even Audyssey can bring good results.



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+1 room and placement comes before eq
Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: Tiktokape on September 07, 2018, 18:52
Yes tikto, I did ask the guy, why didn’t u use the target curves provided by NAD? They have provided something called “house feel” curve. I Advised him to give it a try.He said he wasn’t aware and his understanding is everything should be calibrated to a flat target....I’ve also shared some thoughts on speaker placement, but again demo room set up is his call...

In the end, I left with hopes dashed, and am still waiting for the next affordable Dirac  processor. Hopefully I’m able to find one that I like soon.....

Am using the GX300 Monitor Audio
Thanks for sharing further on your audition experience.

Let me share a little further being an ex MA GX100 user. On your experience on imaging, clarity and details etc when NAD AVR is paired with PSB speakers. They are dome based tweeter speakers.

For user who is MA GX series, the model’s tweeter is ribbon based. That will fall short for one as the ribbon tweeter is very directional, sharp in imaging, extended HF that one will find that HF is rolled off for dome based tweeter. Also lacking in details and clarity.

Personally, I think that’s fine.
Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: jdc115 on September 08, 2018, 12:08
Just realised the NAD receivers are using Dirac live!  :o :o and can store 5 sound profiles/house curves. Nice.

And the parts are modular. Nad designed it to be upgradable by parts, e.g. for hdmi version proofing. Quite smart

While modular, don't assume that it is future proof. I had one of the earlier modular NAD processors and only a couple modules ever released that it supported which I didn't need. But the current modules are not likely to be able to be used in the processors and receivers that are a bit older and have older processors.

In the end, my processor bricked about 2 months past warranty and the quote to fix was too high and they weren't sure if exactly what was wrong. I grew up always having an NAD so sort of have a soft spot for them but haven't kept up with their products lately.
Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: Djblackfm on November 10, 2018, 21:20
Any bros using NAD M17V2?  ;D ???
Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: Djblackfm on April 15, 2019, 20:53
For those who are planning to purchase. Hope it helps  :D
https://www.audioholics.com/av-preamp-processor-reviews/nad-m17v2

Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: desray on April 15, 2019, 21:45
For those who are planning to purchase. Hope it helps  :D
https://www.audioholics.com/av-preamp-processor-reviews/nad-m17v2



Surprisingly it does not come with DTS:X decoding OOTB and still requires a further firmware update in due course.
Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: Djblackfm on April 15, 2019, 21:51
Surprisingly it does not come with DTS:X decoding OOTB and still requires a further firmware update in due course.
Yup it did not come OOTB. If I never rmb wrongly it took quite a long time for this news for the fireware update to be out.

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Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: yanwei on April 16, 2019, 07:40
Agree with bro jdc115 post regarding modular upgrades. Don't expect too much for future proof promises after reading the emotiva xmc-1 HDMI upgrade board issues. Some users have problems even after following the upgrade steps exactly. Emotiva says it is due to some of the existing components inside xmc-1 not compatible with the new chips in the upgrade board. Not sure if NAD will fall into the same upgrade problems.
Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: ronildoq on April 16, 2019, 07:49
Agree with bro jdc115 post regarding modular upgrades. Don't expect too much for future proof promises after reading the emotiva xmc-1 HDMI upgrade board issues. Some users have problems even after following the upgrade steps exactly. Emotiva says it is due to some of the existing components inside xmc-1 not compatible with the new chips in the upgrade board. Not sure if NAD will fall into the same upgrade problems.


RMC-1 was in my wish list since 2016, until end 2018 they still couldn’t get it to work properly, full of bugs. In the end I gave up and almost went for the storm, luckily I had a last min u turn and went for lyngdorf mp50. No turning back after that.

I don’t think the NAD is in the same category as the emotivas

NAD was very clear, they mentioned clearly the set doesn’t support dtsx and will be available soon.

Emotiva on the other, mentioned it comes with all sorts of features but at launch, can’t even get Dirac to work, due to lack of processing power.

A clear case of over promising and under delivering

What makes u think they could get it to work now when they have been trying to get it to work since 2016 and been futile ? It’s very hard, by the time they could get it to work, the dac chips inside are 2-3 generations behind, so for components as wells .

The confidence is all time Low with emotiva processor


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Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: ronildoq on April 16, 2019, 08:15
For the benefit of the NAD Dirac capable equipment Users , some queries I had on target curve, so sharing so everyone will benefit

When you get the room feel target curve, you could actually use the target curve to do many things

1. Altar the target curve to your preference . You can input these numbers onto the txt files and play around, here is one example of -8db target from 20-20khz. Do BECAREFUL when applying boost according to your sub capabilities

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There is also something I wanted to highlight that there is actually a built in Digital High Pass / Low pass filter. See this

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From the above , HPSLOPEON set to 1 will turn on the high pass filter. Next you can set at what frequency to high pass, example shows 40hz

You can then further set the slope, how steep the roll off, 2 means 6db octave, 4 = 12db octave, 8 = 18db octave and so on

For KK subs, you can go with a 12db octave slope, type 4 on HP order, you can also experiment with 24db octave slope

The same works for Low pass filter, set LPSLOPEON to 1 and it will turn on the Low pass digital filter. Set to 0 and no Low pass filter engaged

So here is what happens when HPSLOPEON set to 1, see how it cuts out the bass <40hz

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See the green line, being cut off due to this simple tweak.

Enjoy !! Hope that helps all NAD users



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Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: ronildoq on April 16, 2019, 08:32
Here is the link to download a sample of the target curve file for use with Dirac

The below target is a customise target , .txt file.

It’s a hard knee straight line curve, generally good if you are using it with 15” , 18” subs that has good extension down Low.

Ideally the smaller the room, the steeper the curve, this curve works well in my hall, 6m x 8m x 2.4m, you might wanna try a slightly steeper or less steep curve, down to preference


Target for mains

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KNHE_woZRbk9a2l2QagQ8lqeAZGqdukm/view?usp=drivesdk

Target for subwoofer

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1X7vtka-3Z5XNVwsAPBIrfK6Hd5SCAL7d/view?usp=drivesdk



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Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: ralfale on April 16, 2019, 10:50
Nice share again ! Especially on the digital filter which is not available from on screen menu.

NAD presents very good value for being the cheapest dirac avr on the market. Good for those wanting to try dirac without the hassle of 11 or 13 interconnects for linking up ddrc-88 (which can be quite costly on it's own).
Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: sdds on April 21, 2019, 13:43
https://www.avhub.com.au/product-reviews/sound-image/nad-t-758-v3-av-receiver-with-bluos-review-519388
Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: Tiktokape on June 09, 2019, 09:43
Any NAD T777V3 user in the forum? And using full Dirac instead of the basic version in T777V3?

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Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: YANG on June 09, 2019, 14:45
Very... Not so economical ley...
Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: kaydee6 on June 09, 2019, 15:18
Any NAD T777V3 user in the forum? And using full Dirac instead of the basic version in T777V3?

Dirac advocates full range correction so going to full Dirac makes sense.
Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: Tiktokape on June 09, 2019, 15:20
Dirac advocates full range correction so going to full Dirac makes sense.
Are you using the full version? I just purchased the full version a while ago. Probably got to spend some times figuring it out...will try out the calibration via the Dirac app.
Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: desray on June 09, 2019, 15:24
Dirac advocates full range correction so going to full Dirac makes sense.

+1...iirc the Dirac version in most AVR is a skimmed down version. Be aware.
Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: kaydee6 on June 09, 2019, 15:28
Are you using the full version? I just purchased the full version a while ago. Probably got to spend some times figuring it out...will try out the calibration via the Dirac app.

I use Audyssey but I kept myself informed of the other room correction technologies :)
Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: ronildoq on June 11, 2019, 08:46
I think we have seen the new version of Dirac on the NAD machines, seems like NAD always gets the updates fast...

Quick feedback from users confirms some nice improvements in sound quality...( not sure which aspect )

The main purpose of the upgrade though, as confirmed by Dirac, is to provide a uniform firmware platform for all other avr makers to follow, as we are seeing more avr adopting this room correction software. So it’s a great move, to standardise a uniform platform, less troubleshooting then for different hardware and design to work with Dirac

The new bass management module looks interesting, that should allow for multiple subs correction and new algorithm to improve the timing and impulses, interesting days ahead for Dirac users...
Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: ronildoq on June 26, 2019, 21:18
https://www.audioholics.com/amplifier-reviews/nad-m10

From Audioholics on NAD
Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: Norman_Chan on June 28, 2019, 15:23
Which shop is selling these NAD ?
Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: desray on June 28, 2019, 15:30
Which shop is selling these NAD ?

Earth Sound - drop by his shop now that Funan is open. Can make a trip to see the new Funan Mall.
Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: wizardofoz on June 28, 2019, 17:05
JD did a YT vid...looks pretty good...love the VU meters  :P
Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: sevenz on June 28, 2019, 19:16
Earth sound and Lenbrook

Which shop is selling these NAD ?
Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: rayleh on August 07, 2019, 21:24
Anyone using 758 or 777 can post their reviews here?
Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: sevenz on January 17, 2020, 12:30
Posting my initial review here too from another thread.
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Posting my initial impressions after a confident calibration (after several rounds of trial and error).  :) Finally stabilised! Phew

My comments will be mainly based on the assumption of a default calibration outcome on the DL (full version) on NAD T777 vs a default calibration outcome on audyssey xt32 on a marantz Sr7011.

Areas evaluated (that were impt to me):
1) dialogue
2) immersion & sound panning
3) bass vs main volume balance
4) sound signature (comments on the differences rather than which is better)
5) DL software
6) NAD AVR sound calibration controls
7) NAD AVR OS UI

I'm using internal amps on the T777 to power my LCR and surrounds. Overhead speakers powered by ext amp.

1) Dialogue
- Assumption  - no bumping up of centre channel vol, LCR level matched, and no use of Dyn volume on audyssey
- noticeably the t777 had a significant clarity edge in the dialogue over the sr7011 audyssey. 1-2 notches up. Very impressed! And it's just using the internal amp of the NAD!
- I respect NAD's specs for being "stringent and under-rated" (80WPC). Many users feedback on this too and now i know what they mean by them saying the internal amps of the NAD is a beast although its only rated 80WPC. 
- tried challenging dialogue scenes and the T777 shone through. Super clear dialogue.

2) Immersion and speaker to speaker panning
- the immersion and speaker panning on the t777 was very good even without adjusting Ch vols of surrounds and Atmos. On the sr7011,  I had to compensate the SPLs of surrounds + overhead speakers more to make panning & immersion more seamless
- I felt the overall HT immersion of the T777 was a notch higher than sr7011 Audyssey.

3) bass Vs the main volume balance
- this was an important aspect for me. How the room EQ recognises the bass balance needed to match the main volume when playing
- the bass Vs the main volume balance on the t777 was great and quite spot on after calibration. I didn't need to do as much bumping up of the sub channel level after calibration compared to Audyssey on the SR7011
- I think T777 and DL did a better job for this, compared to Audyssey on the SR7011

4) Sound signature
- The bass sound signature of the NAD T777 was very clean, crisp yet forceful. Full of energy!
- Frankly, i was blown and I like the signature I heard, esp after using DL to implement a +7db rising house curve.
- Marantz sr7011 + audyssey gave a more laid back bass and not so dynamic sounding, but probably less fatigue in the long run. But that's Marantz house signature. No right no wrong. Matter of preference.

5) DL software
- the DL software was much more comprehensive and powerful than Audyssey XT32. It's capable of doing in-depth customisation across freq
- I could dial in target curves for each channel easily. And even dial in a house curve for my sub.
- the UI was pretty good i must admit.
- But there are some qualms that I am very bothered by:
(i) there are a lot of network connectivity bugs that gave problem connecting the DL software (located on the laptop) to the AVR and to the mic (i spent long hours troubleshooting. Apparently it's a known issue on NAD AVRs). One thing that helped is to use LAN cable rather than Wifi. That solved a lot of problems. 
(ii) the VOLUME CALIBRATION step/stage sucks. The DL and NAD manual didn't articulate so clearly. I had to go online to get more info from users. But once sorted, this is not a problem
(iii) It was more cumbersome to use because i had to open up my laptop to do calibration. For Audyssey, I can just do it on the fly on the AVR, one stop. But, I admit the DL is much more comprehensive and great for power users.
(iv) sometimes, the calibration data gets lost when the mic loses connectivity. And even though the project file is saved, sometimes it somehow can't be loaded back and continue.
(v) The dialing in of bass house curves and settings is more troublesome as I have to turn on my laptop and connect it to my AVR to do changes. Previously, i was using Antimode DC and it was such a breeze to use and I can tweak settings easily within a few seconds on the fly.
- I wish DL was embedded in the AVR itself. I find it really cumbersome to always have to open up laptop to tweak settings. For me, this is quite a deal breaker.  :/

6) NAD sound calibration controls/ settings
- once I knew the menu locations where to find things, the NAD sound calibration controls is in a way much simpler to use as it does not have so many settings compared to Audyssey (e.g Dyn vol, Dyn EQ, surround parameter, loudness compensation, reference offset).
- Audyssey has too many settings which confuses the user if the user just needs plug and play.
- One GREAT thing is the NAD allows storing of 3 sound profiles. And I can switch sound profiles on the go for different uses - e.g. music and movies. Kudos to NAD and DL for thinking of this. Super useful!

7) NAD OS UI
- Well, i prefer audyssey's flow and logic of its UI. This one NAD can learn from and improve.

Overall, my initial impressions is I felt the HT sound from the T777 + DL is a notch up compared to Marantz SR7011 + audyssey. Esp the outcomes from a default calibration. Good job DL.

At this price point of $3k+, the T777 with Dirac is super hard to beat. Other brands which has Dirac e.g. the Audio Control easily costs $5k+ and above
Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: sevenz on January 17, 2020, 12:39
I just managed to watch the greatest showman movie on the NAD t777 last night.

Compared it w the marantz sr7011 sound.

The sound is SO GOOD. I like what I am hearing.

The NAD sound signature is very clean and the bass is authoritative yet not overwhelming or not giving a boomy sense.

Immersion and sound stage is 1 notch up

The star is the Dialogue! super impressive and it's quite clear even at lower volumes. LCR is level matched and no tweaking of centre. Kudos to NAD & DL for doing an excellent job to the dialogue. 2 notches up

And it's all using the internal amps of the t777. impressive.
Title: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: desray on January 17, 2020, 13:25
Excellent review!!!!! I like the way you put your points across so clearly in category. Well done bro Sevenz. Re watch every show you are familiar with and hear what you are missing.



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Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: rayleh on January 17, 2020, 14:13
Impressive! 👍
Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: sijusid on January 21, 2020, 17:29
Nice review bro @sevenz.

I think you have done a fair assessment between audyssey and DL, which users from both sides will agree to.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: sevenz on January 29, 2020, 23:42
Just to have a feel how many NAD AVR users there are in XP, then we can share information, resources and tips.

1) sevenz - T777v3
2) yuriais - T758v3
3) wechnivag - T758v3
4)
5)
Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: nur_hsc on January 31, 2020, 10:11
Currently using marantz 7702 mk 2. I would to jump to nad 758 v 2. How much significant or improvement. Still on the fence.
Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: whitesox on January 31, 2020, 22:04
Hi Bro,
Can the T777 decode DTS:X ?
Did you hear that this brand still has a bug?

 :(
Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: sevenz on February 01, 2020, 00:33
Hi Bro,
Can the T777 decode DTS:X ?
Did you hear that this brand still has a bug?

 :(

DTS-X - yes it is supported which is great. 

Bug in brand - care to share more?
Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: nichino on February 04, 2020, 16:11
Great review @Sevenz! I second your review findings - I made the jump from a Marantz SR6003 so the improvement was even more obvious =)

Adding my name to the NAD AVR users list:

1) sevenz - T777v3
2) yuriais - T758v3
3) wechnivag - T758v3
4) nichino - T777v3
5)
Title: Re: Anyone using the new NAD AVRs? It has Dirac live!
Post by: wechnivag on February 04, 2020, 17:06
Ohh, I ended up refunded my 758 due to ground loop issue. Good service from lenbrook.


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