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Title: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: DJQ on February 28, 2018, 15:56
It's here...
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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and owners club
Post by: DJQ on February 28, 2018, 16:16
save for review updates...  :)
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and owners club
Post by: jan97 on February 28, 2018, 16:18
Wah! boss, fast hand fast leg! ;D
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: jan97 on February 28, 2018, 16:19
Just collected. No time to setup ;D

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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: jan97 on February 28, 2018, 16:36
Transformer size for comparison

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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: BadEnglish on February 28, 2018, 17:34
Damage to your wallet?
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on February 28, 2018, 18:29
Nice..
The build of this amp is really much better than the average AV amplifier. The chassis, the footers and even the trap door have receieved a lot of care.
Despite only using the same caps as in the 7200, the transformer is much heavier and this bodes well for the power supply.


My review:
http://peteswrite.blogspot.sg/2018/03/denon-avc-x8500h-review.html (http://peteswrite.blogspot.sg/2018/03/denon-avc-x8500h-review.html)
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: Audio on February 28, 2018, 18:47
Ah.... right.  Like this Mah.  One time good good... buy the right thing!!

Not buy the cheapest Mah...

(Audio)

Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: sevenz on February 28, 2018, 21:55
Wah  :o lucky avr, lucky owner  ;D

Looking forward to your impressions!
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on February 28, 2018, 22:22
Congrats...
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: ralfale on March 01, 2018, 00:03
Looking forward to reviews
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on March 01, 2018, 00:42
Looking forward to reviews
https://www.avforums.com/review/denon-avc-x8500h-13-2-channel-av-amplifier-review.14693
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: sigurros on March 01, 2018, 08:42
Bro, can PM price and place of purchase?
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: Muncher on March 01, 2018, 08:49
I hear its almost close to $5K
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on March 01, 2018, 09:16
More reviews:
https://translate.google.com.sg/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-TW&u=https://www.spill.hk/audiovisual/denon-avc-x8500h-review/&prev=search (https://translate.google.com.sg/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-TW&u=https://www.spill.hk/audiovisual/denon-avc-x8500h-review/&prev=search)


Nice innards:
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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: sigurros on March 01, 2018, 09:30
I hear its almost close to $5K

yes reckon will be by looking at the recent prices for the X400 series.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: jan97 on March 01, 2018, 09:30
S$4900 at your favorite dealers in Sim Lim Square or Adelphi.  ;D
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: reno77 on March 01, 2018, 09:56
Finally realized what I was missing in my speaker setup.. A God of voice channel overhead speaker .. ::)
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: sigurros on March 01, 2018, 10:18
S$4900 at your favorite dealers in Sim Lim Square or Adelphi.  ;D

Cheers bro.

Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: Muncher on March 01, 2018, 11:13
Finally realized what I was missing in my speaker setup.. A God of voice channel overhead speaker .. ::)

God of voice ?  You mean Voice of God
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on March 01, 2018, 12:41
S$4900 at your favorite dealers in Sim Lim Square or Adelphi.  ;D

Holy! I have never spent so much on a AVR before!
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: jan97 on March 01, 2018, 13:01
Holy! I have never spent so much on a AVR before!

You should this time, mine is not even seasoned yet, and the impact, surround steering,etc, is another level up from the previous x7200.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: reno77 on March 01, 2018, 13:08
God of voice ?  You mean Voice of God

Oh yah.. I shouldn't be typing when on the loo..
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on March 01, 2018, 13:12
Is anyone using the Audyssey app with their 8500?
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: ralfale on March 01, 2018, 13:17
How’s the sound quality compare to 7200? Only pity it is still on Audyssey sigh ...
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: jan97 on March 01, 2018, 13:23
akan datang! :D

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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: jan97 on March 01, 2018, 13:35
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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: jan97 on March 01, 2018, 13:51
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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on March 01, 2018, 15:00
You should this time, mine is not even seasoned yet, and the impact, surround steering,etc, is another level up from the previous x7200.
I assume u r an ex 7200WA owner?

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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: jan97 on March 01, 2018, 15:01
I assume u r an ex 7200WA owner?

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Yes sir.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: ptey on March 01, 2018, 18:03
Maybe wait for the one come with HDMI 2.1? like 7200w to 7200wa?
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on March 01, 2018, 19:59
http://www.youtube.com/v/Hf-L3tGgg2g&fs=1
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on March 01, 2018, 20:00
http://www.youtube.com/v/rh2sYK8fyxk&fs=1
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on March 01, 2018, 20:00
I assume u r an ex 7200WA owner?

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With this amp, you can use the new App..
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on March 01, 2018, 20:37
Its unfortunate that D&M chose not to allow the X7200WA to use the Audyssey app.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: foxz15 on March 02, 2018, 21:14
In SG, does 8500 have other colour then black ... like the 7200 they just bring in black colour only ☺
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: rock123 on March 03, 2018, 00:32
Is it worth to get x8500h at $4.9k wherea not hdmi 2.1? Hmmmm )
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on March 03, 2018, 01:13
In SG, does 8500 have other colour then black ... like the 7200 they just bring in black colour only ☺
I don't so, at least not in the first batch. You can call Denon to check if they will bring in other colors later on. In any case, you will have trouble matching other amps or gear unless you have a silver / champagne theme..
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: foxz15 on March 03, 2018, 07:20
Yap true .. Bro Pete ☺👍
Think I like AV Amp colour difference from other equipment.😅
Anyway congrats to bro here who's owned 8500, enjoy and have great fun. 😉
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: jan97 on March 03, 2018, 08:13
Why worry about HDMI 2.1?8K, high frame rates,etc?Most of the stuff it adds, like higher resolutions and frame rates, won't be widely available for years, if they come at all.
you buy first enjoy first. Don't lose sleep over such things. ;D
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: Audio on March 03, 2018, 09:32
Did this do DVD region 2??  If cannot, no go.....

(Audio)   :)
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on March 03, 2018, 10:42
For those worry about planned obsolescence arising from the HDMI 2.1 in the horizon...Fear not as I recall I read somewhere that if HDMI 2.1 truly ratified in the near future, D&M will provide upgrade for the daughter board but you must bring in the unit to their service centre. That aside, to ally the fears of those sitting on the fence for this one, the software (content) to take full advantage of the prowess of HDMI 2.1 like 8K is still very very far away. This should NOT be your primary concern when getting the AVC-X8500H. For those with deep pockets, this is highly recommended imo.
 
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: whitesox on March 03, 2018, 11:05
You should this time, mine is not even seasoned yet, and the impact, surround steering,etc, is another level up from the previous x7200.

So you are using 8500 huh?
When I do comparison, the processors/HDMI main board of 8500 seems smaller size compare to 8802A.
Silent killer is coming out soon .... 8805 ... 8805A

I wonder how it (8500) sounds compare to my Marantz 8802A... wont mind to pay you a visit bro ?
Price of 8802A was about the same price as 8500 too even though there is no built in amp at all.
 ;D

Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on March 03, 2018, 11:46
For those worry about planned obsolescence arising from the HDMI 2.1 in the horizon...Fear not as I recall I read somewhere that if HDMI 2.1 truly ratified in the near future, D&M will provide upgrade for the daughter board but you must bring in the unit to their service centre. That aside, to ally the fears of those sitting on the fence for this one, the software (content) to take full advantage of the prowess of HDMI 2.1 like 8K is still very very far away. This should NOT be your primary concern when getting the AVC-X8500H. For those with deep pockets, this is highly recommended imo.
 
Yes there will be a board, the question of course is how much.
But it's fun to enjoy something new... so when will you bite bro, you are the king here of new tech :)
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on March 03, 2018, 11:50
BTW there is a separate code file for most remotes:
http://manuals.denon.com/AVCX8500H/preset/AVCX8500HPresetCodes.pdf

With this, I could program my Oppo and Sony players, as well as my Samsung TV. Nice.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on March 03, 2018, 12:05
Yes there will be a board, the question of course is how much.
But it's fun to enjoy something new... so when will you bite bro, you are the king here of new tech :)

My pocket not that "deep"...but you can rest assured that if I ever bought it, I will thoroughly test it...be it the different speaker layout, combo, 13.1 channel built-in amplification, the return of the "wides" speaker layout to complement Object-based listening as well as the Audyssey app...:P
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: jan97 on March 03, 2018, 13:10
The 8802 Digital board is using 4x DSP, which occupy too much of the PCB real estate, while 8805 and 8500 uses 2 DSP. Thats why you noticed that the board is smaller.

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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: jan97 on March 03, 2018, 13:15
My pocket not that "deep"...but you can rest assured that if I ever bought it, I will thoroughly test it...be it the different speaker layout, combo, 13.1 channel built-in amplification, the return of the "wides" speaker layout to complement Object-based listening as well as the Audyssey app...:P


Boss Desray, you do not need deep pockets for the 8500, recently i let go one of my 2  Denon x7200WA at S$1700,sell your X7200 and buy the 8500H. ;D
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: jan97 on March 03, 2018, 13:20
So you are using 8500 huh?
When I do comparison, the processors/HDMI main board of 8500 seems smaller size compare to 8802A.
Silent killer is coming out soon .... 8805 ... 8805A

I wonder how it (8500) sounds compare to my Marantz 8802A... wont mind to pay you a visit bro ?
Price of 8802A was about the same price as 8500 too even though there is no built in amp at all.
 ;D




Work in progress bro, but if you dont mind, and you are near Hougang, you can have a go! ;D
If you have S$6000 now, the AV8805 is yours! ;D

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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: rock123 on March 03, 2018, 13:30
Jan97 yah enjoy first ! :)
WOW seem u r the first x8500H owner in SG! : cheers huat arrr

hmm what speakers r they? LR LR? :) look massive:)
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: jan97 on March 03, 2018, 13:36
Jan97 yah enjoy first ! :)
WOW seem u r the first x8500H owner in SG! : cheers huat arrr

hmm what speakers r they? LR LR? :) look massive:)

No, i am not the first.  ;D Those speakers are M&K S150II LCR.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: sdds on March 03, 2018, 13:44
bro what surround n sub r u using ? Thanks
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: jan97 on March 03, 2018, 13:48
bro what surround n sub r u using ? Thanks

Boss sdds, S150T for side surround, SUR95T for front height and  rear top. Sub temporarily using KK 808, swapping for M&K X12 or Arendal Sub3.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: sdds on March 03, 2018, 13:49
Nice , mk lover also . the new mks150 is coming
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: jan97 on March 03, 2018, 13:51
Nice , mk lover also . the new mks150 is coming

Yah, but the S300 is another class up :-X
When you getting yours?
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: sdds on March 03, 2018, 13:53
yes the s300 is another class as compare to 150 .for me , maybe in the near future .
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: jan97 on March 03, 2018, 13:56
yes the s300 is another class as compare to 150 .for me , maybe in the near future .

Have you try out Procella audio? Very hot in HK now.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: sdds on March 03, 2018, 14:11
no chance .
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: jan97 on March 03, 2018, 14:11
Wow! can't believe i watch this for a 2nd time with the X8500H.Although only DTS-HD,Effects are f@&king incredible!

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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on March 03, 2018, 16:48
Boss Desray, you do not need deep pockets for the 8500, recently i let go one of my 2  Denon x7200WA at S$1700,sell your X7200 and buy the 8500H. ;D

Haha...soon but not now.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: Jag on March 03, 2018, 17:30
Wow! can't believe i watch this for a 2nd time with the X8500H.Although only DTS-HD,Effects are f@&king incredible!

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Can elaborate in what way this movie sounds better in the 8500 over the 7200?
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on March 03, 2018, 17:36
Can elaborate in what way this movie sounds better in the 8500 over the 7200?

LoL...I'm also interested to know as well. I know sound can be very "subjective".
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: Tiktokape on March 03, 2018, 17:41
Can elaborate in what way this movie sounds better in the 8500 over the 7200?
Ditto, I can’t digest the price hike on new Gen AVR itself.


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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: jan97 on March 03, 2018, 18:19
Can elaborate in what way this movie sounds better in the 8500 over the 7200?

Its very hard to explain in words, if you are convenient, i still got a extra set of 7200 inside my room, i can do A, B swap.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on March 03, 2018, 18:25
Its very hard to explain in words, if you are convenient, i still got a extra set of 7200 inside my room, i can do A, B swap.

Bro, just sum up in a few words will suffice. For instance, the soundstage seems wider? More dynamics in terms of sound steering which helps with the surround sound and also how does object-based sounded as in is it more precise as compared to X7200W...There is actually quite a lot of grounds you can cover by summarizing it...though I have to agree that sound is a very subjective topic. What "sounds good" may not sound right in another person's room. Too many variables from room modes to the types of speakers and crossover used etc...
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: jan97 on March 03, 2018, 18:27
Every different generation of Denon AVR went through specific sound tuning, this generation of AVR starting with X2400 to X8500 has a different signature as compared to the last ones.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on March 03, 2018, 18:42
Every different generation of Denon AVR went through specific sound tuning, this generation of AVR starting with X2400 to X8500 has a different signature as compared to the last ones.

Ok noted. This AVR will definitely be in my top list of HT equipment to purchase for this year.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: jan97 on March 03, 2018, 18:45
Bro, just sum up in a few words will suffice. For instance, the soundstage seems wider? More dynamics in terms of sound steering which helps with the surround sound and also how does object-based sounded as in is it more precise as compared to X7200W...There is actually quite a lot of grounds you can cover by summarizing it...though I have to agree that sound is a very subjective topic. What "sounds good" may not sound right in another person's room. Too many variables from room modes to the types of speakers and crossover used etc...

Ok, i try to put in into simpler terms. 1: the Center channel, speech is more well defined, dialog is now clearer. On the x7200, the dialog is not properly defined, i have to strain harder to hear what the speaker is saying, and there is a slight thickening which blurs the dialog.
2: surround: The effects are more pronounced and it seems to me that the sound is more dynamic. I cannot say that the 8500 is ahead in this, but i can confirm that panning of sound from the side surround to the front speakers are more seamless. Heights and Top surround: I noticed that the sound staging is more higher and not as low as the x7200. No speakers relocation , or any variables were introduced.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: jan97 on March 03, 2018, 18:53
If you guys have not noticed, previous generation of Denon AVR tends to have "thicker "sound signature. Some may like it, others might not.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on March 03, 2018, 19:08
Ok, i try to put in into simpler terms. 1: the Center channel, speech is more well defined, dialog is now clearer. On the x7200, the dialog is not properly defined, i have to strain harder to hear what the speaker is saying, and there is a slight thickening which blurs the dialog.
2: surround: The effects are more pronounced and it seems to me that the sound is more dynamic. I cannot say that the 8500 is ahead in this, but i can confirm that panning of sound from the side surround to the front speakers are more seamless. Heights and Top surround: I noticed that the sound staging is more higher and not as low as the x7200. No speakers relocation , or any variables were introduced.

Wow...sound like a totally "new beast" altogether. Definitely worth checking out myself.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: Tiktokape on March 03, 2018, 19:12
If you guys have not noticed, previous generation of Denon AVR tends to have "thicker "sound signature. Some may like it, others might not.
That’s interesting to me. I don’t find my 7200WA to produce a thick sound character. May I ask what power cord are you using for your AVR?


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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: whitesox on March 03, 2018, 19:13
If you guys have not noticed, previous generation of Denon AVR tends to have "thicker "sound signature. Some may like it, others might not.

I agree with you.
I always use two familiar movies before I decide to buy.
One movie has a lot of surround effects and boom boom (Hacksaw Ridge) and the other one must have heavy man vocal (Transformer or Monster call).
Use Hacksaw Ridge. It has busy background ... listen to the dialog... clear or not? (must be the same setting ... usually +2 for C over Audy's calibration number)

A lot of factors will contribute to this, one example will be ext amp match with speakers couple with AVR/AVP as an input.
But I know for sure, AVP has different class... !
 ;D
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: jan97 on March 03, 2018, 19:14

No special power cord, i am using the ones that comes with the set.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: Tiktokape on March 03, 2018, 19:17
No special power cord, i am using the ones that comes with the set.
Thanks for the clarification. I will probably audition it next time when my 7200WA broke down on me. Also for that price, I will rather go for AVP and power amp combo for a better performance though it means bumping the total cost.


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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on March 03, 2018, 19:17
IMO, they did some nice magic here:
With the DSP chipset, the straighter pathway, the power supply and (yet to be confirmed) the video chipset too.
The net result is that there is still some distance from the 7200, which is one thing which concerns a lot of buyers:
Is it worth the outlay over the 7200.
IMO, the 7200 is a good beast, especially at the lower price. Not everyone needs the 8500. Except bro des of course ;)
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: jan97 on March 03, 2018, 19:19
If you have used Pioneer and Yamaha AVR before, Denon sounded thick and heavy if you compared to the mentioned 2. ;D
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: jan97 on March 03, 2018, 19:23
IMO, they did some nice magic here:
With the DSP chipset, the straighter pathway, the power supply and (yet to be confirmed) the video chipset too.
The net result is that there is still some distance from the 7200, which is one thing which concerns a lot of buyers:
Is it worth the outlay over the 7200.
IMO, the 7200 is a good beast, especially at the lower price. Not everyone needs the 8500. Except bro des of course ;)

Not only that sir,  new volume control IC , amount has been doubled, and now has direct connection to the power amplifier.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: jan97 on March 03, 2018, 19:25
And if you have not noticed, capacitors on the audio path of the 13 amplifer PCBAs has being specially selected to improve sound quality.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: Tiktokape on March 03, 2018, 19:31
If you have used Pioneer and Yamaha AVR before, Denon sounded thick and heavy if you compared to the mentioned 2. ;D
Yes, I do tried before, to me, not thick but rather slight warmish. Speaker signature play a big part as well. Cheers!


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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: threelittlepig on March 03, 2018, 19:31
Also for that price, I will rather go for AVP and power amp combo for a better performance though it means bumping the total cost.
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Then that your problem bro, if I read the thread correctly, this is for review and setup not about comparing with other AVR or AVP.  ;D
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: whitesox on March 03, 2018, 19:38
Then that your problem bro, if I read the thread correctly, this is for review and setup not about comparing with other AVR or AVP.  ;D

Nothing wrong to compare and mentioned about AVP in this thread as benchmark.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: whitesox on March 03, 2018, 19:41
If you have used Pioneer and Yamaha AVR before, Denon sounded thick and heavy if you compared to the mentioned 2. ;D

Have you listened to Yammy 3060 ? this model has pocketed a lot of stars
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: jan97 on March 03, 2018, 19:43
I agree with you.
I always use two familiar movies before I decide to buy.
One movie has a lot of surround effects and boom boom (Hacksaw Ridge) and the other one must have heavy man vocal (Transformer or Monster call).
Use Hacksaw Ridge. It has busy background ... listen to the dialog... clear or not? (must be the same setting ... usually +2 for C over Audy's calibration number)

A lot of factors will contribute to this, one example will be ext amp match with speakers couple with AVR/AVP as an input.
But I know for sure, AVP has different class... !
 ;D

Bro, this time round, no need +2 gain for the center channel ;D
Are you going for marantz AV8805?
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: jan97 on March 03, 2018, 19:46
Have you listened to Yammy 3060 ? this model has pocketed a lot of stars

Yes sir. But at that time of purchasing of AVR, the Denon X7200WA was $2250 and Yamaha was $2800. Went for the cheaper ones, kinda  regretted my choice.  ;)
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: jan97 on March 03, 2018, 20:28
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.phileweb.com%2Fnews%2Fd-av%2F201801%2F17%2F43086.html&edit-text= (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.phileweb.com%2Fnews%2Fd-av%2F201801%2F17%2F43086.html&edit-text=)
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: jeffong on March 04, 2018, 06:01
Finally Denon releases something which can allow me to retire my 7200WA and 2309 combo needed to power the ATMOS height speakers and free up valuable console space. Need to offload my 4520 first though before getting this or my CFO will skin me alive.

Jan97, does this Monster run hot over extended use as my console has limited height clearance. You running 7.1.6 in your current setup?
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: Doggie Howser on March 04, 2018, 09:24
Is the Marantz 8012 same as the 8500 in a different badge?
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on March 04, 2018, 09:28
Afraid not
Lower DAC
Two less channels of amps
Process 11 channels
Older DSP chips
Can't do both auro and atmos setups.
Think of it as a 7012 with a toroidal and better caps - same ones as the 8500.



Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: jan97 on March 04, 2018, 10:44
Finally Denon releases something which can allow me to retire my 7200WA and 2309 combo needed to power the ATMOS height speakers and free up valuable console space. Need to offload my 4520 first though before getting this or my CFO will skin me alive.

Jan97, does this Monster run hot over extended use as my console has limited height clearance. You running 7.1.6 in your current setup?

5.1.4 at the moment.Warm to touch at -10db volume after 2 hours.Want to load 13 speakers, better allow some space clearance for heat dissipation.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on March 04, 2018, 10:48
5.1.4 at the moment.Warm to touch at -10db volume after 2 hours.Want to load 13 speakers, better allow some space clearance for heat dissipation.

Yep...we are talking about 13.1 discrete channels, it will be extremely unwise to place the AVR in TV cabinet. Bring it up where it can breathe.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on March 04, 2018, 10:54
I just read there is a "new" DSP mode called DTS Virtual:X which requires a firmware update meant for this model alone. Interesting...And of course, this time round all 3 immersive audio playback will operate with a switch of a button - yep, I'm talking about Auro 3D no longer need to be a paid upgrade this time. Considering the premium that user need to pay for this latest flagship...
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: jan97 on March 04, 2018, 11:10
The development of X8500 for those who can read Japanese.

excerpt:

高橋:まずデジタル電源などは10年前よりも高効率化、低ノイズ化が飛躍的に進んでいますので、小型化、高性能化が進んでいると言えます。

さらにオーディオ回路の設計手法も当時の設計と今の設計とは少し異なってきていると思っています。



●どんな点ですか。


高橋:以前は信号系の回路の間にバッファーを使ってノイズ対策をしていました。

今は高品位な音声フォーマットの良さを活かすべく、なるべくストレートにして、回路に余分なものは何も入れないようにしています。


これにより高品位なコンテンツが持つ魅力が、より色づけなくスピーカーまで伝えることが可能となります。

さらに大信号出力時の急激な信号レベルの変化にも忠実に対応できるように電流リミッターも入れないように設計しています。


保護回路として、全13チャンネルの全部に独立して温度モニターを入れることで安全性は担保しています。



●サウンドマネージャーが変わってから初のフラッグシップモデルということで音も新しい方向になっているのでしょうか。


高橋:はい。バッファーをできるだけ排除した設計にすることで、サウンドマネージャーである山内が提唱するスペーシャス、ビビッドという新しいコンセプトはしっかりと反映されています。

また、昨今はグローバルな意見を採り入れて、ヨーロッパを中心にエンドユーザーからさまざまな意見を聞きながらサウンドチューニングしています。


しかし、従来のデノンファンの方の期待にも応えられるように核となる部分はしっかりと残して音作りをしています。

その結果AVC-8500Hで実現したサウンドは、現在のデノンのフラグシップの名に相応しいものであると自負しています。

特にこのダイナミックなサウンドはフラッグシップモデルならではの物量なくしては得られないものでしょう。

Wall of text here:

http://pr.denon.com/jp/Denon/Lists/Posts/Post.aspx?ID=518#.WptiqOeYOUk


Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: jan97 on March 04, 2018, 11:12
I just read there is a "new" DSP mode called DTS Virtual:X which requires a firmware update meant for this model alone. Interesting...And of course, this time round all 3 immersive audio playback will operate with a switch of a button - yep, I'm talking about Auro 3D no longer need to be a paid upgrade this time. Considering the premium that user need to pay for this latest flagship...


Auro 3D is not in at this time, need to wait for another 2 months.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on March 04, 2018, 12:44
Auro 3D is not in at this time, need to wait for another 2 months.
It's supposedly a free update...not upgrade.

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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on March 04, 2018, 12:56
Is the Marantz 8012 same as the 8500 in a different badge?
(https://www.stereo.net.au/forums/uploads/monthly_2018_02/image.png.55008dfa51ac7b68c7f38e7df48e3d98.png)
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: jan97 on March 04, 2018, 13:55
Auro 3D is not in at this time, need to wait for another 2 months.

You have any demo Auro 3D material, so that i can verify?
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on March 04, 2018, 15:44
Wow...sound like a totally "new beast" altogether. Definitely worth checking out myself.

Some details of what went into making this amp:
Lovely feeling knowing the dedication and heart and hard work that went into it:
AVC-X8500H開発者インタビュー - Denon Official Blog:
http://pr.denon.com/jp/denon/Lists/Posts/Post.aspx?ID=518#.WpuirpNuYcl
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: whitesox on March 06, 2018, 14:36
Bro, this time round, no need +2 gain for the center channel ;D
Are you going for marantz AV8805?

Pls don't tempt me with 8805....  ;D
BTW, what subwoofer are you using bro?
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: jan97 on March 06, 2018, 14:53
Pls don't tempt me with 8805....  ;D
BTW, what subwoofer are you using bro?

8805 its here already! ;D. At S$5100++. Using KK 808 at the moment. Will be changing to MK x12 or the Arendal Sub 3.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: DJQ on March 06, 2018, 16:28
oei oei. go start another marantz 8805 thread if you also buy it.  ;) ;)

sorry all. still unpacking since moving into new place. messy still. everything will be up. got some new goodies to trial as well. wifey definitely not happy.
like bro jan97 mentioned this is 1 solid AVC. i never buy such top range before. too many new stuff all at once... overwhelming... slowly 1 by 1...
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: jan97 on March 06, 2018, 16:32
oei oei. go start another marantz 8805 thread if you also buy it.  ;) ;)

Sorry bro DJQ ;D.  I want to see your personal views on the X8500H.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: Audio on March 06, 2018, 19:55

like bro jan97 mentioned this is 1 solid AVC. i never buy such top range before. too many new stuff all at once... overwhelming... slowly 1 by 1...

But don't you realised that you did the right thing?

(Audio)
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on March 06, 2018, 21:34
Did anyone receive a FW alert today?
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: BadEnglish on March 07, 2018, 00:16
Did anyone receive a FW alert today?

Not for 7200W
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: Colgate on March 07, 2018, 07:25
8805 its here already! ;D. At S$5100++. Using KK 808 at the moment. Will be changing to MK x12 or the Arendal Sub 3.

No siok lar bro watching action movie with single 8" subwoofer eventhough driven by top flagship AVR8500... I have plan want to upgrade my current subs. Price wise for the same 12" driver JLe112 (×2) > higher than SVS sb2000(×3)
So which one will u bet for good?
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on March 07, 2018, 07:42
IMO the twin E112 works very well. Furthermore most AV amps only have two outputs and can only calibrate for two of them. You could use another sub with the centre channel but is calibrated as part of the centre.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: jan97 on March 07, 2018, 08:14
No siok lar bro watching action movie with single 8" subwoofer eventhough driven by top flagship AVR8500... I have plan want to upgrade my current subs. Price wise for the same 12" driver JLe112 (×2) > higher than SVS sb2000(×3)
So which one will u bet for good?

Mr colgate, I am not a bass freak. ;D. Maybe that's me, HT is not all about bass. Dialog clarity, spaciousness , micro details,refinements  and dynamics are more important to me. At the moment, I am still happy with the 808 with chapter 8 , JW chapter2.It still tickles my balls with its textured bass.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on March 07, 2018, 19:43
http://www.youtube.com/v/y3pcpnDTZAM&fs=1
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on March 08, 2018, 07:16
https://www.spill.hk/audiovisual/denon-avc-x8500h-review/ (https://www.spill.hk/audiovisual/denon-avc-x8500h-review/)


https://post76.hk/news/2018/02/denon-avc-x8500h-review/
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: ralfale on March 11, 2018, 11:05
I read that 8500 supports 21:9 video. What exactly does this mean? Can it stretch 16:9 source to wide ratio?
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on March 11, 2018, 11:33
I read that 8500 supports 21:9 video. What exactly does this mean? Can it stretch 16:9 source to wide ratio?
Not sure why this is advertised but my guess likely to do with 8500 for the first time able to support proper on board scaling for content in CinemaScope aspect ratio like 2.35:1 / 2.40:1. In the past, it usually allows auto pass through or with video upconversion from the source that does the scaling i.e. from Bluray, media players or htpc using the gfx card or software player to do scaling. Hence if this comes as a built in feature to choose scaling for CinemaScope content for AVR to do the scaling for us instead of the sources I have described above...it may reap added benefits assuming the video chooser in board the 8500 does a better job than the sources.

However if we are merely talking purely about 21:9 support on a AVR because it features HDMI 2.0 specs, then it is nothing new...REMEMBER this is still using HDMI 2.0 specs with the ability to upgrade to support HDMI 2.1 for added features like 8K support and higher bandwidth than the current 18gbps could provide.

Without much info, it could be anything...have u Google it?

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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: ralfale on March 11, 2018, 11:40
Tried Google and seems none of the reviews talked about this. Probably it is really nothing new but I am really hoping it supports a on-board scaling to 2:35.1 ratio like you say, then it will match perfectly to my next wide ratio screen purchase.

Can any owners confirm if you see any options to scale output to 2.35 aspect?

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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: ralfale on March 11, 2018, 12:03
In audioholic review, it states this. Not 100% what does this mean for pj without anamorphic lens.

The X8500H can do a vertical stretch for use with anamorphic lenses.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on March 11, 2018, 13:21
In audioholic review, it states this. Not 100% what does this mean for pj without anamorphic lens.

The X8500H can do a vertical stretch for use with anamorphic lenses.
Okay...then it really not going to do any wonders in this case. U see, unlike Oppo Blu-ray players, most of the conventional Blu-ray players don't do vertical stretch for anarmophic Len setup for use with projectors...so it's a bummer for those with anamorphic Len users. But this is going to change if 8500 able to do it internally at AVR stage before outputting the vertically stretched image to the projector for proper 21:9 scaling to work on anamorphic setup.

If this is really what audioholics trying to say...then it will be good news for those with anamorphic Len user base.

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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: ralfale on March 12, 2018, 13:12
Thanks for the explanation ... looks like still got to rely on lens memory to perform the magic then.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: YANG on March 20, 2018, 09:23
http://www.youtube.com/v/rh2sYK8fyxk&fs=1
Cantonese narration, English Subbed
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on March 24, 2018, 18:12
I get asked this every now and then, so here's my take..
"How does the 8500 sound compared to xx or xx model?"

Well unless you have the various amps side by side, connected simultaneously or can dismantle cables really quickly, it's really hard to get a meaningful AB comparison.

However suffice to say, each brand has their own house sound, and each model also sounds different. So the Denon sound is more neutral, less sharp or bright compared to what I recall of my Onkyo, Pioneer auditions, and slightly less bright compared to a Yamaha, which makes pretty musical amps too, and just a bit less warm than a Marantz. However compared to past models, the 8500 sounds more like a Marantz, and less like it's predecessors.
On the other hand, in my journey from the 4311 to the 4520 and onwards to the 8500 with stops in between at the 7200 and 7010, the two channel sound quality has not differed as much when comparing between Denon amps.
The 8500 is probably a shade closer to the Marantz sound, but it's not exactly an AB comparison, so YMMV...

Cheers
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on April 09, 2018, 01:10
German review:
http://www.areadvd.de/tests/xxl-test-denon-13-2-av-netzwerk-verstaerker-avr-x8500h-superstar-mit-vollausstattung/
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on April 21, 2018, 17:15
Bros, has anyone got Alexa to work with their 8500?
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: Pismo Mac on April 21, 2018, 18:15
Bros, has anyone got Alexa to work with their 8500?

Ask Siri? :) probably a bad idea ... 


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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: CASH on April 21, 2018, 18:29
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on May 24, 2018, 10:03
The Americans just received a FW update, And it might be the Auro update everyone is waiting for..
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on May 25, 2018, 18:13
The Americans just received a FW update, And it might be the Auro update everyone is waiting for..
Auro is update and running now..
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kaydee6 on May 28, 2018, 07:22
Auro is update and running now..

Is the firmware available in Singapore already? My 8500 tells me there is no update.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kaydee6 on May 29, 2018, 09:22
Found the firmware on the website. Looks like there’s also HEOS update.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on May 30, 2018, 20:56
After the FW update and a rerun of the auto cal, the speaker positions are spot on, and I can finally use my VOG speaker!
Will try out a few configurations and see how it sounds..
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on May 30, 2018, 22:09
Since we are talking about firmware update from AVR manufacturers, latest industry news (break by Gene of Audioholics) is that Dolby will be imposing a restriction on their proprietary upmixer aptly called the Dolby Surround Upmixer (DSU) for upcoming AVRs to be released in the 2019 and possibly via firmware update for current batches of AVRs in the market. What this mean is that you can no longer choose to upmix a DTS signal to utilize the DSU as a secondary upmixer for its height effects anymore...Good or bad, you will be the judge of it...but personally I don't see it as an issue but for those who are concerned, pls be wary of future firmware updates which may "crippled" this upmixer feature by Dolby.

See this clip for more details:

http://www.youtube.com/v/mOR1qlcGdjc&fs=1

Caveat: Information is rather sketchy at this point according to Gene so nothing is cast in stone yet. Await for more details...
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on May 31, 2018, 11:49
Yep
Bro des is very right
Don't simply enable auto update
https://www.audioholics.com/audio-technologies/dolby-non-native-upmixing-atmos
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on May 31, 2018, 16:31
It seems that Dolby knows it has DTS-X beaten, and is now trying to corner the market with less than friendly overtures?
It will not be good to have one dominant force, and with Dolby Vision also sprinting out of the posts, we may see Dolby as the dominant player for the next few years..
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on May 31, 2018, 17:18
It seems that Dolby knows it has DTS-X beaten, and is now trying to corner the market with less than friendly overtures?
It will not be good to have one dominant force, and with Dolby Vision also sprinting out of the posts, we may see Dolby as the dominant player for the next few years..

Personally I don't see any problem with Dolby trying to defend their IP. Auro 3D or DTS has been fairly quiet and I don't see any developments while Dolby has been putting a lot of R&D and making inroads not just in the cinema but also in the home theater community. They commanded the right to do it for their continuous R&D efforts...it is up to the rivals to do catch-up and make themselves more competitive.

My 2 cents...

Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on May 31, 2018, 18:59
Personally I don't see any problem with Dolby trying to defend their IP. Auro 3D or DTS has been fairly quiet and I don't see any developments while Dolby has been putting a lot of R&D and making inroads not just in the cinema but also in the home theater community. They commanded the right to do it for their continuous R&D efforts...it is up to the rivals to do catch-up and make themselves more competitive.

My 2 cents...


I think they did well, but a monopoly, ala Microsoft can have negative side effects.. lack of future urge to innovate for example..
And costs may go up. What if they charge so much royalties that our DV equipped discs increase in price?
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on May 31, 2018, 18:59
I did a short and highly subjective test with a few 5.1/7.1 tracks that had excellent surround effects, like Sherlock Holmes (scene in the abattoir), John Carter, and a nice HKG show called "PTU" where you will feel that you are in the middle of a busy HKG street and the moment the young Daredevil wakes up in the hospital and he can hear all the ambient noises amplified.
The Auro had a odd effect for the street scenes in PTU - you feel the street level was elevated instead of being as immersive as DSU or Neural X. Likewise, it fair better for 'rain' and 'helicopter' scenes where there was clearly something overhead, but in terms of putting you in the scene, IMO, DSU and Neural X did better. Neural in particular liked to 'overcook' the surrounds, which I didn't like, but I know some friends who deliberated turn the ceiling speakers up to get that overhead feel.

Auro also did best with a specific scene from "Fury", where Brad Pitt and his lads were trapped inside the tank, with bullets, footsteps and other noises all around - kudos to the mixer!

Of the three, DSU/Atmos seemed to be the most immersive, but dialogue was best with DTS-X/Neural X and Auro 3D with my 10.1 VOG setup was 'elevated'.. I guess you could say I was high on sound :)

I will do a better audition later this weekend.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on May 31, 2018, 19:06
I think they did well, but a monopoly, ala Microsoft can have negative side effects.. lack of future urge to innovate for example..
And costs may go up. What if they charge so much royalties that our DV equipped discs increase in price?

It has been stagnant for many years (nearly a decade long) before Object based sound mix became the "new poster" boy...There is only so much a home theater sound mix can do its magic. Personally I do not think it will stifle innovation...if there are more "creative" ways to make movie watching experience more "experiential" in the near future, I'm sure DTS will also jump in...


Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on May 31, 2018, 19:27
For those on the fence of whether to spend another extra $2K+ to get the 8500 or settle for a 7200WA, you may wish to pay a visit to some of the member's place for a test-run and hear for yourself if 8500 is indeed worth shelling out the extra $$$...this will be the best way imo. I will probably pay member's place a visit to hear for myself the sonic prowess of the 8500. Any 8500 owner living near Yishun and welcome me, do drop me a PM.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on June 17, 2018, 14:12
I did some 'old is gold' experiments today and popped in some DVDs to view on my 75" TV.. well, if you have changed all your settings to "enhanced" mode on the options, it won't work if you use a legacy device like an Oppo 83.. you have to use "standard".. I might swop out the cable later on, just to see if it's a cable issue..
Sadly, no matter how good the upscalers are in either the Oppo or your TV, you can't turn a pig's ear into a purse.. it's watchable for sure, but you do yearn for better...
FYI
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on June 27, 2018, 18:23
Is anyone able to share their views of using wides vs Auro?
I wonder if it's worth it to place a front centre (Auro) and a VOG speaker, vs using wides.. cheers
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on July 05, 2018, 19:12
Did anyone see a FW update for their 8500 today?
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on July 14, 2018, 00:48
http://www.youtube.com/v/IWDyEocKJLc&fs=1
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on July 29, 2018, 06:32
This is a great Amp, I hope to see more members (other than Pete) using it to contribute by sharing their experiences in using it, some of the strengths like how well it steered the speakers, bass reproduction and also shortcomings (if any) to share with members here.

I believed the honeymoon phase for this Amp has come and pass and more meaningful sharing and objective sharing can commence now... The point is to share and discuss to make this forum lively and beneficial to members.



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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on August 10, 2018, 01:09
S&V reviews it - no measurements for now though..
https://www.soundandvision.com/content/denon-avr-x8500h-av-receiver-review
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kaydee6 on August 10, 2018, 07:17
HEOS update with airplay 2 is now available for download.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: DJQ on August 10, 2018, 09:49
actually ever since i got the 8500 i haven't been able to tinker with the features much. short of realizing the 8500 itself cannot drive my C1 and C center alone. i am going to try zone 2 spk setup.
after i am done with my speaker mods i will spend time to perform calibration again.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on August 10, 2018, 12:05
German test
http://audiovision.de/denon-avc-8500h-test/
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on August 11, 2018, 09:07
HEOS update with airplay 2 is now available for download.
D+M has identified that when the recent HEOS update was installed to the SR8012/X8500H/AV8805, a bunch of settings reverted to factory default and as a result have shut down further release of the update until a fix can be developed which will likely take a few weeks.
Another reason why we should not rush to update, or enable automatic updating..
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on August 15, 2018, 10:34
From AVS:
Recently, D+M released a firmware update which triggered an issue with the Marantz SR8012/AV8805 and Denon X8500H.

What happened
When the problem was identified, D+M disabled the firmware auto-updating. However, if your product received the August 2018 update, the following settings will automatically change to default. This means you may need to re-configure again from the AVR setup menu. To confirm, there is no loss of AVR functionalities or performance.
•   Audio — Audyssey, Restorer, Audio Delay, etc.
•   Video — Output Settings, Picture Adjust, etc.
•   Inputs — Input Assign, Source rename, Hide source, etc.
•   Sound mode

Temporary fixes
•   Audyssey settings can be restored by flipping the Audyssey MultEQ XT32 setting to “Reference”
•   Network settings (incl. HEOS Account, Friendly Name, etc.) are not affected
•   Users can re-configure their settings from the AVR setup menu

Permanent solve
•   We will release an amended firmware update in early September — a fix might be shared sooner
•   Does this mean Airplay 2 is on temporary hold? Yes, users with the above models will not be able to access and use Airplay 2 until D+M has released a new firmware update to fix the bugs
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: ricleon on August 15, 2018, 11:01
Thanks Pete!

The other night, I was wondering what happened to the source renames
And it froze at start up; searching for network..

Gonna take your advise and turn-off auto update
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: badbad2000 on August 15, 2018, 16:10
From AVS:
Recently, D+M released a firmware update which triggered an issue with the Marantz SR8012/AV8805 and Denon X8500H.

What happened
When the problem was identified, D+M disabled the firmware auto-updating. However, if your product received the August 2018 update, the following settings will automatically change to default. This means you may need to re-configure again from the AVR setup menu. To confirm, there is no loss of AVR functionalities or performance.
•   Audio — Audyssey, Restorer, Audio Delay, etc.
•   Video — Output Settings, Picture Adjust, etc.
•   Inputs — Input Assign, Source rename, Hide source, etc.
•   Sound mode

Temporary fixes
•   Audyssey settings can be restored by flipping the Audyssey MultEQ XT32 setting to “Reference”
•   Network settings (incl. HEOS Account, Friendly Name, etc.) are not affected
•   Users can re-configure their settings from the AVR setup menu

Permanent solve
•   We will release an amended firmware update in early September — a fix might be shared sooner
•   Does this mean Airplay 2 is on temporary hold? Yes, users with the above models will not be able to access and use Airplay 2 until D+M has released a new firmware update to fix the bugs

i updated the firmware mentioned airplay 2. but not sure if my setting is reset after that.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on September 19, 2018, 09:31
i updated the firmware mentioned airplay 2. but not sure if my setting is reset after that.
Did you lose the Audyssey calibrations?
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on September 19, 2018, 09:32
http://www.youtube.com/v/m0nBHEgX-B8&fs=1
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: badbad2000 on September 19, 2018, 11:03
Did you lose the Audyssey calibrations?

My old setting still there


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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on September 19, 2018, 12:45
My old setting still there


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Thanks 🙏
Smooth update..
Let’s see how it sounds :)
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: sanhas on September 24, 2018, 07:44
Judy wondering for current owners...
1. What's your normal listening volume?
2. Had anyone tried hooking up this receiver to external power amp? Any comment on this setup?
3. Can we select the auro 3d sound if the if the incoming source is not auro 3d?

THANKS in advance.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on September 24, 2018, 10:20
Listening volume is subjective bro.. some who like the tactile feel will go louder. It's also dependant on your room size, speaker sensitivity too
Power amps add dynamics if you need it. Bro DJQ uses it. I find that in my setup with the 4ohm Dynaudio speakers, it's still fine, but I don't listen at high volumes..
Yes you can apply Auro to anything more than a stereo signal.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: DJQ on September 24, 2018, 17:10
Judy wondering for current owners...
1. What's your normal listening volume?  -20dB
2. Had anyone tried hooking up this receiver to external power amp? Any comment on this setup? Yes 2 stereo amp bridged mono. only if you need it.
3. Can we select the auro 3d sound if the if the incoming source is not auro 3d? yes

THANKS in advance.

what speakers are you using? depending if you are maximizing every single channel the 8500 has. it will be good. 
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: sanhas on September 24, 2018, 20:58
Currently I'm using FOCAL ELECTRA 1027BE set plus another sets of floorstander and centre speaker for the surround. 6 speakers for the heights. I do have 12 channels of my previous marantz amplifier from my av8801 set up. Why i ask if there's any benefit is I'm just lazy to hook up to this amplifiers if there no benefits.
As for the volume, i observed i have to increase 10db higher on this denon as compared to the marantz. Wonder if its normal?
Hopefully i can get more comments/ suggestions before i change my set up. Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: whitesox on September 25, 2018, 07:55
Hi bro
U used 8801 previously so u hookup all ur spks to external amp coz it is processor.
So now u are using 8500 which has built in amps.
The more u loaded with speakers.. the "heavier burden" must be carried out therefore dynamic of this AVR drop
Thats why you need to increase 10db louder.
Since u have good spks then i would suggest you use ur ext amp to drive ur floor stander and utilise ur ext amp.. hook them all up to ur ext amp.

If you are too lazy... at least u can hook up LCR to ur ext amp.. the rest of all surr channels can be connected to 8500.
I believe you may no longer need to increase 10db. 8500 is a good AVR.
 :)
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: ahduck on September 25, 2018, 10:31
Hi XPL buddys,

Just wanna check is the current price for x8500h still hovers around 4.9k like jan97 mentioned in March?
I'm currently using x6200w with AG Strada2 for LCR, aDiva SEs for surrounds and SB2000 sub. Just a very simple 5.1 setup.
Will I get noticeable improvements if I were to upgrade the AVR?

Thanks

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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: pcking on September 25, 2018, 11:08
IMHO, use the money to add a 3 channel amp for your front LRC.

Hi XPL buddys,

Just wanna check is the current price for x8500h still hovers around 4.9k like jan97 mentioned in March?
I'm currently using x6200w with AG Strada2 for LCR, aDiva SEs for surrounds and SB2000 sub. Just a very simple 5.1 setup.
Will I get noticeable improvements if I were to upgrade the AVR?

Thanks

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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: sigurros on September 25, 2018, 11:52
Hi XPL buddys,

Just wanna check is the current price for x8500h still hovers around 4.9k like jan97 mentioned in March?
I'm currently using x6200w with AG Strada2 for LCR, aDiva SEs for surrounds and SB2000 sub. Just a very simple 5.1 setup.
Will I get noticeable improvements if I were to upgrade the AVR?

Thanks

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After adding a 3 channel amp, "upgrading" to atmos with 4 x AGM etc ceiling speakers will give you more improvement in overall surround sound.

Of course if you have no WAF to consider.  ;D

Or even adding a matching sub.

Am also using the 6200 and the biggest "upgrade" for me is the 4 heights speakers.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: ahduck on September 27, 2018, 09:05
IMHO, use the money to add a 3 channel amp for your front LRC.


Unfortunately i don't really have the extra space on the tv console to add-on another 3 channel amp.
Also I'm trying to keep the wire cable clutter to the lowest.
Appreciate your thoughts.

After adding a 3 channel amp, "upgrading" to atmos with 4 x AGM etc ceiling speakers will give you more improvement in overall surround sound.

Of course if you have no WAF to consider.  ;D

Or even adding a matching sub.

Am also using the 6200 and the biggest "upgrade" for me is the 4 heights speakers.

Thanks for re-assuring that our 6200 is still good enough.
But I guess i'm skipping the additional 3 channel amp. Also i will consider adding the AGM for heights.
Now to look for someone who is recommended for drilling false ceiling and running the speaker wires. thanks again
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: sigurros on September 27, 2018, 10:46
Unfortunately i don't really have the extra space on the tv console to add-on another 3 channel amp.
Also I'm trying to keep the wire cable clutter to the lowest.
Appreciate your thoughts.

Thanks for re-assuring that our 6200 is still good enough.
But I guess i'm skipping the additional 3 channel amp. Also i will consider adding the AGM for heights.
Now to look for someone who is recommended for drilling false ceiling and running the speaker wires. thanks again


Bro, for heights speakers, i did the installation myself.

Its not too difficult compared to concrete ceiling.

Just need to get the correct plug for the brackets.

(https://sc01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1UasaRFXXXXacaXXXq6xXFXXXe/High-quality-plastic-concrete-butterfly-wall-plug.jpg_220x220.jpg)

For wiring, if going into the false ceiling is difficult, you can get those wire duct that comes with
double sided tape to run along the ceiling and walls.

(https://media.rs-online.com/t_large/R0605245-40.jpg)

Further, there is a bro selling the Modi Orbs in the sale section if you want to look at alternatives at a lower price point.

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71Ykvi%2BXb2L._SY355_.jpg)

also, i saw that you have the kk808 for your PC and using the sb2000 for HT.

Maybe swapping them will get you benefits for your HT department.  ;D

Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: c722 on October 14, 2018, 12:34
how come the version sold here has no FM tuner ?  The one sold in the US has.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: malsound on October 28, 2018, 21:26
http://www.youtube.com/v/FWG6sUQx5xE&fs=1
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on November 02, 2018, 21:02
eARC and IMax update up today...


(https://www.avsforum.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/4K-UHD-Blu-ray-IMAX-Enhanced-with-HDR10-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on November 02, 2018, 21:29
Smooth update, took less than 20 mins..
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on November 02, 2018, 21:49
Smooth update, took less than 20 mins..


Nice...
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: jan97 on December 23, 2018, 19:40
A detailed review of the 8500H vs the 7200WA. ;D

https://audiobacon.net/2018/12/18/an-audiophiles-take-denon-13-2-channel-flagship-avr-x8500h-receiver/
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: comfortablynumb on February 15, 2019, 14:20
What a beast......and a beauty too
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kaydee6 on February 15, 2019, 15:32
The best AV amp for the price!
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kaydee6 on February 16, 2019, 07:11
Another glowing review.
https://www.avsforum.com/denon-avr-x8500h-13-2-channel-imax-enhanced-avr-review/
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: composition on March 24, 2019, 21:43
Intend to buy the 8500. Where can I buy in Aldephi or Sim Lim Square?
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: winwinc81 on March 24, 2019, 21:58
Intend to buy the 8500. Where can I buy in Aldephi or Sim Lim Square?

can get from adelphi, or me :P
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on March 24, 2019, 22:06
This is a very good AVR...I'm certain that you will enjoy it!
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: composition on March 24, 2019, 22:10
This afternoon I sold off my trusty 4810 which I had enjoyed it for a decade of movies. Need a replacement, I think the 8500 is what I need.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: winwinc81 on March 24, 2019, 22:13
there are a lot of excellent reviews for Denon 8500.. even more than marantz 8805 AVP. wont go wrong with this for sure!
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: missyoumuch on March 27, 2019, 23:49
How much is it for Denon 8500?TIA
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: Audio on March 28, 2019, 09:02
This afternoon I sold off my trusty 4810 which I had enjoyed it for a decade of movies. Need a replacement, I think the 8500 is what I need.

You are spending too much time with your DAC......

(Audio)
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: composition on March 28, 2019, 11:01
You are spending too much time with your DAC......

(Audio)

Nowadays I spend more time watching movies than listening to my DAC.

I just bought the 8500 last evening from Aldephi. Spent an hour to install and did the room correction calibration. My setup is 2 Front, 2 Surround, 2 Rear Surround, 2 Front Height & 2 subs.

Watched a movie. My assessment is it is a bit flat and inorganic. I guess it needs burn-in.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: sigurros on March 28, 2019, 11:13
Nowadays I spend more time watching movies than listening to my DAC.

I just bought the 8500 last evening from Aldephi. Spent an hour to install and did the room correction calibration. My setup is 2 Front, 2 Surround, 2 Rear Surround, 2 Front Height & 2 subs.

Watched a movie. My assessment is it is a bit flat and inorganic. I guess it needs burn-in.

No center?
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: composition on March 28, 2019, 11:23
No centre. I have been advocating no centre, but not everyone believes in the merit of not using a centre. So I leave the centre or no centre debate as it is.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: Audio on March 28, 2019, 11:51
It need a center.....

(Audio)
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on March 28, 2019, 12:17
It need a center.....

(Audio)
+1
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kaydee6 on March 28, 2019, 13:06
Nowadays I spend more time watching movies than listening to my DAC.

I just bought the 8500 last evening from Aldephi. Spent an hour to install and did the room correction calibration. My setup is 2 Front, 2 Surround, 2 Rear Surround, 2 Front Height & 2 subs.

Watched a movie. My assessment is it is a bit flat and inorganic. I guess it needs burn-in.

Try using Audyssey MultEQ App. Limit the correction to 500hz and your setup will come alive.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kaydee6 on March 28, 2019, 13:11
...and yes add a center channel.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: sigurros on March 28, 2019, 13:12
No centre. I have been advocating no centre, but not everyone believes in the merit of not using a centre. So I leave the centre or no centre debate as it is.

Cheers.

To each his own.  ;)
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on March 28, 2019, 14:24
Try using Audyssey MultEQ App. Limit the correction to 500hz and your setup will come alive.
Bro
Can you share on what you mean? Thanks 🙏
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kaydee6 on March 28, 2019, 14:59
Bro
Can you share on what you mean? Thanks 🙏

Purchase the Android or iOS MultEQ App and calibrate the amp with it. The advantage of this app is that you can turn off mid range compensation and limit the room correction to 500hz (Schroeder freq) leaving the rest of the frequency untouched. I do not like the full frequency calibration and MRC turned on (calibration done with the amp). The difference for both music and movie playback is significant when calibrated as above. Oh, you can also set your own target curve with the app if you choose to. Personally, I think the app is a must have for all current Marantz and Denon AV pre and receivers.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on March 28, 2019, 17:37
Nowadays I spend more time watching movies than listening to my DAC.

I just bought the 8500 last evening from Aldephi. Spent an hour to install and did the room correction calibration. My setup is 2 Front, 2 Surround, 2 Rear Surround, 2 Front Height & 2 subs.

Watched a movie. My assessment is it is a bit flat and inorganic. I guess it needs burn-in.

Not, did you do a proper Audyssey calibration and by that I mean using more than 5 points and ensure you do it correctly. Starting point for calibration is crucial. Don’t underestimate it.



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Title: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on March 28, 2019, 17:38
Purchase the Android or iOS MultEQ App and calibrate the amp with it. The advantage of this app is that you can turn off mid range compensation and limit the room correction to 500hz (Schroeder freq) leaving the rest of the frequency untouched. I do not like the full frequency calibration and MRC turned on (calibration done with the amp). The difference for both music and movie playback is significant when calibrated as above. Oh, you can also set your own target curve with the app if you choose to. Personally, I think the app is a must have for all current Marantz an Denon AV pre and receivers.

Thanks for sharing this tip with everyone.

I’ve wanting to pay a visit member’s place to have a listen to this powerful “beast”. Anyone willing to extend an invitation to me to your place this weekend? pls let me know.


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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on March 28, 2019, 17:42
No centre. I have been advocating no centre, but not everyone believes in the merit of not using a centre. So I leave the centre or no centre debate as it is.

I agreed with bros here that you need a center channel especially for object based sound mix like Dolby Atmos and DTS X. It does make a big difference.


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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: composition on March 28, 2019, 17:45
Yes I did the proper Audyssey calibration. The calibration is not new to me. I had the 4810 for a decade.

The surround was near seamless and 3D, better than the 4810. The frequency response was good. Dynamics were good too. Just that the sound was flat and inorganic typical of new equipment before burn-in.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: composition on March 28, 2019, 17:49
Bye all. Will not be reading or posting for a while. Will be going on a hiatus, enjoying my movies, my Hifi and other stuff in life.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kaydee6 on March 28, 2019, 18:02
Not, did you do a proper Audyssey calibration and by that I mean using more than 5 points and ensure you do it correctly. Starting point for calibration is crucial. Don’t underestimate it.



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Yes. please read the following guide to help with the calibration.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-receivers-amps-processors/2376770-official-audyssey-thread-part-ii.html
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-subwoofers-bass-transducers/2958528-guide-subwoofer-calibration-bass-preferences.html


Although Audyssey XT32 seems like a set and forget type of room correction software, it is not. It is very good at correcting and flattening the bass nodes in the room, not that great for the other frequencies above the Schroeder freq like many room correction software. If you like to know more, read up Floyd Toole's book, Sound Reproduction: The Acoustics and Psychoacoustics of Loudspeakers and Rooms.
Another good read is here:
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/perceptual-effects-of-room-reflections.13/

The biggest improvement I get from Audyssey is setting each mic location at ear height and not more than 2 feet each from the MLP. Use the MultEq App to complete the 8 positions, limit the freq correction to 500hz, turn off MRC, turn on DEQ at RLO=0. This would be a good ballpark setting for movie sound.
For music, DEQ is off. Manually increase sub volume to taste, increase bass tone (available when DEQ is off and only affects L/R speakers), lower treble. This to simulate a downward slope of the frequency from 20hz to 20khz. With this you will experience great sound for music from the Denon 8500. You can google Sean Olive harman target curve if you are curious to understand more on human's preference for a downward sloping frequency curve instead of a flat from 20hz to 20khz.
Read, experiment and enjoy your new monster amp!

Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kaydee6 on March 28, 2019, 18:02
Bye all. Will not be reading or posting for a while. Will be going on a hiatus, enjoying my movies, my Hifi and other stuff in life.

Yes, ultimately enjoy the movies!
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on March 28, 2019, 18:14
Yes. please read the following guide to help with the calibration.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-receivers-amps-processors/2376770-official-audyssey-thread-part-ii.html
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-subwoofers-bass-transducers/2958528-guide-subwoofer-calibration-bass-preferences.html


Although Audyssey XT32 seems like a set and forget type of room correction software, it is not. It is very good at correcting and flattening the bass nodes in the room, not that great for the other frequencies above the Schroeder freq like many room correction software. If you like to know more, read up Floyd Toole's book, Sound Reproduction: The Acoustics and Psychoacoustics of Loudspeakers and Rooms.
Another good read is here:
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/perceptual-effects-of-room-reflections.13/

The biggest improvement I get from Audyssey is setting each mic location at ear height and not more than 2 feet each from the MLP. Use the MultEq App to complete the 8 positions, limit the freq correction to 500hz, turn off MRC, turn on DEQ at RLO=0. This would be a good ballpark setting for movie sound.
For music, DEQ is off. Manually increase sub volume to taste, increase bass tone (available when DEQ is off and only affects L/R speakers), lower treble. This to simulate a downward slope of the frequency from 20hz to 20khz. With this you will experience great sound for music from the Denon 8500. You can google Sean Olive harman target curve if you are curious to understand more on human's preference for a downward sloping frequency curve instead of a flat from 20hz to 20khz.
Read, experiment and enjoy your new monster amp!

Thanks for sharing bro kaydee6 and yes I have had read all those materials by Floyd Toole a long long time ago.

What I am interested in is the new app that allows more flexibility (this time round) to play with the Fq Correction range to 500hz. This is something I am curious to check it out as I already sold my X7200WA for nearly a year now.

Usually for movies, Correction up to 500hz will yield a better experience for bass but not more than that as it will truly “overdone” and make the overall sound flatter.

Is it okay for me to visit your place to have a listen to the X8500H?



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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on March 28, 2019, 18:16
Yes I did the proper Audyssey calibration. The calibration is not new to me. I had the 4810 for a decade.

The surround was near seamless and 3D, better than the 4810. The frequency response was good. Dynamics were good too. Just that the sound was flat and inorganic typical of new equipment before burn-in.

Good to know. And yes, I agreed... it’s your system and sound is subjective. Enjoy what you have now since you already bought it. Experiment at your own leisure time and I’m sure you will get better with increased mileage.

Enjoy.


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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kaydee6 on March 28, 2019, 18:22
Thanks for sharing bro kaydee6 and yes I have had read all those materials by Floyd Toole a long long time ago.

What I am interested in is the new app that allows more flexibility (this time round) to play with the Fq Correction range to 500hz. This is something I am curious to check it out as I already sold my X7200WA for nearly a year now.

Usually for movies, Correction up to 500hz will yield a better experience for bass but not more than that as it will truly “overdone” and make the overall sound flatter.

Is it okay for me to visit your place to have a listen to the X8500H?



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Sure, you can pm me. Just that I am only running a basic 5.1 system, so you have to keep your expectations low. :)
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on March 28, 2019, 18:25
Sure, you can pm me. Just that I am only running a basic 5.1 system, so you have to keep your expectations low. :)

Don’t say that lar. Each of us have our own preference. I won’t judge. I will pm you later.

Thanks for your invite. Appreciated.


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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on March 28, 2019, 20:10
Don’t say that lar. Each of us have our own preference. I won’t judge. I will pm you later.

Thanks for your invite. Appreciated.


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Bro I’ll invite you in a few weeks when my place is set up..
11.1.4
If you want..
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on March 28, 2019, 20:11
Bro I’ll invite you in a few weeks when my place is set up..
11.1.4
If you want..

Thanks Pete. 11.1.4? Hmmm...you sure about the speaker layout is not 7.1.4?
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on March 28, 2019, 21:03
Any bros here living in Yishun who has a X8500H setup? Do hit me up with an invite this weekend via PM.

Thanks.


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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: badbad2000 on April 05, 2019, 08:11
Try using Audyssey MultEQ App. Limit the correction to 500hz and your setup will come alive.
Is the app support x8500 model? But not listed as supported hardware


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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on April 19, 2019, 21:56
The 8500 just had a FW update issued yesterday.... usual cryptic "improve performance" info...
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on April 20, 2019, 16:44
I will like to thank bro Kenshin07 for hosting me today to allow me to listen to the behemoth Denon flagship of last year - the X8500H.  ;D

Frankly, I can't really tell any difference between my previous Denon AVR, the X7200WA and the X8500H. As bro Ken haven't truly setup his home theater properly yet - especially his Atmos speakers (1 pair of front heights, 1 pair of rear heights and 1 pair of top-middle) which requires more work, it is harder for me to comment at this juncture on the true potential of the X8500H but if based on today's listening experience, I'm not sold that one should pay such a high premium for the X8500H when I can't really hear any sonic difference.

When playing with the Audyssey settings, we both discovered that the Audyssey curve was set at "Flat" instead of "Reference" and this is unbeknown to Ken. After switching back to Reference, the surround and Atmos effects became more "fuller" sounding. The "Achilles heels" in my opinion is the implementation of the dual Starke subwoofers. They sounded too "boomy" which inevitably "drowned" the surround effects. When we switched off the subwoofers, the listening experience became much "distinct" and even the Atmos effects became more "alive". Something that both of us agreed that he will need to "tame" the Starke subwoofers even further. Make no mistake, I firmly believe that Starke subwoofers packs the finesse and punch to deliver the cleanest and tightest bass that anyone can ask for. It just need more fine-tuning.

Apparently I came back more impressed with the Sony OLED TV than the sound setup...but it is ONLY for now. I'm pretty sure that in no time, Ken will improve his sound system. It is always a challenge to setup a home theater listening environment in a living hall setup.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kenshin07 on April 20, 2019, 18:27
I will like to thank bro Kenshin07 for hosting me today to allow me to listen to the behemoth Denon flagship of last year - the X8500H.  ;D

Frankly, I can't really tell any difference between my previous Denon AVR, the X7200WA and the X8500H. As bro Ken haven't truly setup his home theater properly yet - especially his Atmos speakers (1 pair of front heights, 1 pair of rear heights and 1 pair of top-middle) which requires more work, it is harder for me to comment at this juncture on the true potential of the X8500H but if based on today's listening experience, I'm not sold that one should pay such a high premium for the X8500H when I can't really hear any sonic difference.

When playing with the Audyssey settings, we both discovered that the Audyssey curve was set at "Flat" instead of "Reference" and this is unbeknown to Ken. After switching back to Reference, the surround and Atmos effects became more "fuller" sounding. The "Achilles heels" in my opinion is the implementation of the dual Starke subwoofers. They sounded too "boomy" which inevitably "drowned" the surround effects. When we switched off the subwoofers, the listening experience became much "distinct" and even the Atmos effects became more "alive". Something that both of us agreed that he will need to "tame" the Starke subwoofers even further. Make no mistake, I firmly believe that Starke subwoofers packs the finesse and punch to deliver the cleanest and tightest bass that anyone can ask for. It just need more fine-tuning.

Apparently I came back more impressed with the Sony OLED TV than the sound setup...but it is ONLY for now. I'm pretty sure that in no time, Ken will improve his sound system. It is always a challenge to setup a home theater listening environment in a living hall setup.


Thanks desray for the tips on both video setting and atmos. I have to say for true the sub36 is kind of over power in my area of listening since i did not do any treatment. In actual fact i just left it as -0 on my minidsp initially. Now that you have mention i set it to -3.0 just to see if still boomy, now the bass from sub36 is pretty much controlled and still able to hear details from it. This i have to thank Ron since he help me to get both sub36 impulse alignments in sync which make my job easier just reducing the vol on the minidsp.

For the atmos, i tilted down speakers towards the mlp. Just this simple steps provide such level of improvement to the atmos experience haha... 😂😂😂👍
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on April 20, 2019, 18:33
Thanks desray for the tips on both video setting and atmos. I have to say for true the sub36 is kind of over power in my area of listening since i did not do any treatment. In actual fact i just left it as -0 on my minidsp initially. Now that you have mention i set it to -3.0 just to see if still boomy, now the bass from sub36 is pretty much controlled and still able to hear details from it. This i have to thank Ron since he help me to get both sub36 impulse alignments in sync which make my job easier just reducing the vol on the minidsp.

For the atmos, i tilted down speakers towards the mlp. Just this simple steps provide such level of improvement to the atmos experience haha... 😂😂😂👍

Glad to hear that and when you mentioned that Roni literally helped you to do the REW for some 7 hrs to find the proper delay in time domain of your 2 subwoofers, this in a way had helped you tremendously when it comes to proper "dual sub integration"...I salute Roni's self-less efforts in extending his help and sharing of his knowledge to benefit the members here...I really really hope to see more members stepping up to reach out to fellow members to help others of what you have learned from this forum and reciprocate in your actions.


Ken, how does the helicopter scene sounded after the calibration?

Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on April 23, 2019, 21:37
Impressive numbers
http://audiovision.de/denon-avc-8500h-test/

(http://audiovision.de/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Bewertung-8.jpg)
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: badbad2000 on April 23, 2019, 21:50
Impressive numbers
http://audiovision.de/denon-avc-8500h-test/

(http://audiovision.de/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Bewertung-8.jpg)

So the app works on 8500 too?


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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kenshin07 on April 24, 2019, 15:12

Ken, how does the helicopter scene sounded after the calibration?


Much better now. In the first place didn't know have to crank up so much more on the atmos speakers level. That the reason why can't feel the atmos layer. The great wall scene is really a good clips to test out the atmos too am using this clips to tune.

One more thing I did is disable the dynamic eq, I noticed the bass becomes more cleaner and not boomy which suits my taste better.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: sevenz on April 24, 2019, 16:52
Much better now. In the first place didn't know have to crank up so much more on the atmos speakers level. That the reason why can't feel the atmos layer. The great wall scene is really a good clips to test out the atmos too am using this clips to tune.

One more thing I did is disable the dynamic eq, I noticed the bass becomes more cleaner and not boomy which suits my taste better.

I feel it sounds better now after turning off LOUDNESS MANAGEMENT in SURROUND PARAMETER. Previously the atmos layer sounded a bit "compressed" and less clarity.

But now that u turn it off, it might be good to check the dB level again. It could be overly loud and crying a little for attention. Try tuning it down with the SPL meter, and play ATMOS reference scenes to strike the "balance" such that it blends into the immersion. 
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kenshin07 on April 24, 2019, 17:16
I feel it sounds better now after turning off LOUDNESS MANAGEMENT in SURROUND PARAMETER. Previously the atmos layer sounded a bit "compressed" and less clarity.

But now that u turn it off, it might be good to check the dB level again. It could be overly loud and crying a little for attention. Try tuning it down with the SPL meter, and play ATMOS reference scenes to strike the "balance" such that it blends into the immersion. 


True enough, I find it on the loud side and tone it slightly down that day after you left :)

Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on April 24, 2019, 17:54
So the app works on 8500 too?


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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: rayleh on April 24, 2019, 19:50
If you are asking if this model is compatible with the Audyssey Editor App, the answer is yes.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: YANG on April 24, 2019, 20:27
when a Frenchie n a Jappie put together...
http://www.youtube.com/v/X9HkpyanwT4&fs=1
... Will there be kisses or not huh?
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: badbad2000 on April 25, 2019, 09:29
If you are asking if this model is compatible with the Audyssey Editor App, the answer is yes.

Thank you!
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on April 26, 2019, 21:52
Just did another update on the 8500
“Improve performance” bleh bleh
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on April 28, 2019, 13:53
From AV forum:
changelog for the update.

■ 2019/04/24

【Version: 7300-0114-1141-5005】

(1) We have improved the quality of specifications for custom installers.


■ 2019/04/17

【Version: 7300-0114-1131-5005】

(1) Fixed a bug related to Auto Lip Sync when connected to an eARC compatible TV.
(2) Fixed a bug related to Hide Input.
(3) Fixed the bug that Subwoofer is output by mistake when a specific Speaker setting is made.
(4) Fixed a bug in the Amazon Music operation screen.
(5) It became possible to display the input source icon in HEOS App.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: badbad2000 on April 28, 2019, 20:31
From AV forum:
changelog for the update.

■ 2019/04/24

【Version: 7300-0114-1141-5005】

(1) We have improved the quality of specifications for custom installers.


■ 2019/04/17

【Version: 7300-0114-1131-5005】

(1) Fixed a bug related to Auto Lip Sync when connected to an eARC compatible TV.
(2) Fixed a bug related to Hide Input.
(3) Fixed the bug that Subwoofer is output by mistake when a specific Speaker setting is made.
(4) Fixed a bug in the Amazon Music operation screen.
(5) It became possible to display the input source icon in HEOS App.

I checked yesterday didnt say have update


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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on April 29, 2019, 22:34
I checked yesterday didnt say have update


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https://www.denon.jp/jp/support/avc-x8500hupdate
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kaydee6 on May 04, 2019, 22:29
Audioholic's review of the 8500.

"Denon’s AVR-X8500H is the most technologically advanced receiver the venerable company has ever built. It is arguably the most advanced AVR available today. It’s the best AVR I’ve ever reviewed. It's the most audiophile-worthy AVR Denon has built since the legendary AVR-5308CI and AVR-5805 and it just won our 2018 AVR of the year award. How’s that for an opening salvo?"

Read on here
https://www.audioholics.com/av-receiver-reviews/denon-avr-x8500h-dolby-atmos-network-receiver-review
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on May 05, 2019, 06:40
Audioholic's review of the 8500.

"Denon’s AVR-X8500H is the most technologically advanced receiver the venerable company has ever built. It is arguably the most advanced AVR available today. It’s the best AVR I’ve ever reviewed. It's the most audiophile-worthy AVR Denon has built since the legendary AVR-5308CI and AVR-5805 and it just won our 2018 AVR of the year award. How’s that for an opening salvo?"

Read on here
https://www.audioholics.com/av-receiver-reviews/denon-avr-x8500h-dolby-atmos-network-receiver-review

Nice.


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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on May 05, 2019, 07:35
Better late than never.. this amp has received many accolades..
It will be interesting to see when the HDMI upgrade comes and how much it’ll cost..
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on May 05, 2019, 07:45
Any comments on the IMAX Enhanced sound system? Does it require a compatible disc with this IMAX soundmix? I read that IMAX Enhanced soundmix is derived from DTS: X Core (not surprising to me).
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kaydee6 on May 05, 2019, 09:18
Any comments on the IMAX Enhanced sound system? Does it require a compatible disc with this IMAX soundmix? I read that IMAX Enhanced soundmix is derived from DTS: X Core (not surprising to me).


There are 2 methods to get IMAX Enhanced.
1. Compatible IMAX Enhanced sound-mix. (only 2 titles at the moment)
2. Option to force on IMAX Enhanced when receiver receives DTS lossy (not DTS-HD or DTS-MA)

Personally, the impact of IMAX Enhanced is not only the sound but the fact that 16:9 is a more immersive aspect ratio than that of 2.35.
Title: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on May 05, 2019, 09:35
There are 2 methods to get IMAX Enhanced.
1. Compatible IMAX Enhanced sound-mix. (only 2 titles at the moment)
2. Option to force on IMAX Enhanced when receiver receives DTS lossy (not DTS-HD or DTS-MA)

Personally, the impact of IMAX Enhanced is not only the sound but the fact that 16:9 is a more immersive aspect ratio than that of 2.35.

Interesting that scenario 2 to force IMAX enhanced mode is only applicable to lossy and not lossless (higher bitrate). Any reason why?


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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on May 05, 2019, 09:42
There are 2 methods to get IMAX Enhanced.
1. Compatible IMAX Enhanced sound-mix. (only 2 titles at the moment)
2. Option to force on IMAX Enhanced when receiver receives DTS lossy (not DTS-HD or DTS-MA)

Personally, the impact of IMAX Enhanced is not only the sound but the fact that 16:9 is a more immersive aspect ratio than that of 2.35.
Interesting
Maybe I can try it on a lossy appletv stream
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kaydee6 on May 05, 2019, 09:48
Interesting that scenario 2 to force IMAX enhanced mode is only applicable to lossy and not lossless (higher bitrate). Any reason why?


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No idea why.
DTS lossy to IMAX Enhanced is a workaround to experience existing titles in IMAX Enhanced.
Check out the video here, Sound United expert recommends this workaround
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycshL-Ng8X4
Title: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on May 05, 2019, 09:52
No idea why.
DTS lossy to IMAX Enhanced is a workaround to experience existing titles in IMAX Enhanced.
Check out the video here, Sound United expert recommends this workaround
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycshL-Ng8X4

Then this indeed weird. Dolby Atmos at least not so rigid. It allows DD+ and Dolby TrueHD as baseline for their Dolby Atmos soundmix.

I’m surprised that DTS being the more “flexible” actually is more rigid in its implementation of IMAX enhanced soundmix. Strange indeed. But then again, it maybe IMAX issue? But minimally for DTS lossy soundmix, it better well be 1,536kbps instead of 768kbps.



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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on May 05, 2019, 09:56
It may be an inability of IMAX to handle the bandwidth.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on May 05, 2019, 10:19
It may be an inability of IMAX to handle the bandwidth.

Maybe...but if truly the case, then IMAX Enhanced is only "enhancing" the video aspect of the film and not the audio which they market it to be for "both".
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kaydee6 on May 05, 2019, 10:53
IMAX enhanced do not introduce higher bit rate or new audio format. It strives to mimic the IMAX cinemas’ speakers configurations. Here’s the four pillars of imax enhanced content.

The Four Pillars

The IMAX Enhanced program has “four pillars” supporting both specially remastered IMAX content and the equipment needed to play it back at home.

These include the following:

Remastered video using IMAX’s proprietary Digital Media Remastering (DMR) process originally developed for upconverting traditional 35mm films to the 70mm IMAX theater format. The vast majority of movies shown in IMAX theaters today are DMR films.

An enhanced aspect ratio from the 70mm masters that IMAX creates by adjusting and cropping frames to preserve as much of the frame as possible on 16:9 configured home theater displays. The company stresses, this is not pan and scan. It’s much better. For comparison, many 35mm movies and features shot on video today conform to the 2.40:1 aspect ratio. This requires black bars at the top and bottom of the television screen. IMAX Enhanced images will be more squarely configured and should fill the screen without bars framing the image.

A special DTS:X 3D audio soundtrack that has been developed to match as closely as possible the immense surround sound experience produced in IMAX theater speakers. The theaters are famous for making every seat the “sweet spot.” If the promise is delivered, surround sound should include dialog and other effects that appear to come directly from the screen, just as they do from large rear-screen center speakers in an IMAX theater.

IMAX-exclusive content, presented through the IMAX Mode on IMAX Enhanced Certified equipment, will be a big part of the experience. A small library of feature films today are shot on 70mm IMAX cameras, but influential filmmakers like Christopher Nolan are shooting more and more of their projects with 70mm IMAX cameras. Some two-thirds of the shots used in the box office hit Dunkirk used
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on May 05, 2019, 11:00
IMAX enhanced do not introduce higher bit rate or new audio format. It strives to mimic the IMAX cinemas’ speakers configurations. Here’s the four pillars of imax enhanced content.

The Four Pillars

The IMAX Enhanced program has “four pillars” supporting both specially remastered IMAX content and the equipment needed to play it back at home.

These include the following:

Remastered video using IMAX’s proprietary Digital Media Remastering (DMR) process originally developed for upconverting traditional 35mm films to the 70mm IMAX theater format. The vast majority of movies shown in IMAX theaters today are DMR films.

An enhanced aspect ratio from the 70mm masters that IMAX creates by adjusting and cropping frames to preserve as much of the frame as possible on 16:9 configured home theater displays. The company stresses, this is not pan and scan. It’s much better. For comparison, many 35mm movies and features shot on video today conform to the 2.40:1 aspect ratio. This requires black bars at the top and bottom of the television screen. IMAX Enhanced images will be more squarely configured and should fill the screen without bars framing the image.

A special DTS:X 3D audio soundtrack that has been developed to match as closely as possible the immense surround sound experience produced in IMAX theater speakers. The theaters are famous for making every seat the “sweet spot.” If the promise is delivered, surround sound should include dialog and other effects that appear to come directly from the screen, just as they do from large rear-screen center speakers in an IMAX theater.

IMAX-exclusive content, presented through the IMAX Mode on IMAX Enhanced Certified equipment, will be a big part of the experience. A small library of feature films today are shot on 70mm IMAX cameras, but influential filmmakers like Christopher Nolan are shooting more and more of their projects with 70mm IMAX cameras. Some two-thirds of the shots used in the box office hit Dunkirk used

You never add this bit for the sound...

In optimizing sound for the home, IMAX theaters use 5.0, 11.0, or 12.0 format setups, with a “roll-off” subwoofer, instead of a discrete sub, Marco said. They also use “point-source surrounds,” which he described as “more of what you have in a consumer’s home” than conventional cinemas. IMAX turned to DTS to help translate that theatrical experience over to home theater gear.

“DTS is able to perform at the highest levels, and with the DTS:X codec you can have many different speaker configurations and the sound will still be quite impressive,” explained Kevin Doohan, Xperi/DTS CMO and executive VP.

Source: https://restechtoday.com/imax-enhanced-certification/ (https://restechtoday.com/imax-enhanced-certification/)
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kaydee6 on May 05, 2019, 12:28
You never add this bit for the sound...

In optimizing sound for the home, IMAX theaters use 5.0, 11.0, or 12.0 format setups, with a “roll-off” subwoofer, instead of a discrete sub, Marco said. They also use “point-source surrounds,” which he described as “more of what you have in a consumer’s home” than conventional cinemas. IMAX turned to DTS to help translate that theatrical experience over to home theater gear.

“DTS is able to perform at the highest levels, and with the DTS:X codec you can have many different speaker configurations and the sound will still be quite impressive,” explained Kevin Doohan, Xperi/DTS CMO and executive VP.

Source: https://restechtoday.com/imax-enhanced-certification/ (https://restechtoday.com/imax-enhanced-certification/)

Yes that’s it. Also, crossover to sub will be set at 70Hz default but can choose to change if one has a lesser speaker.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on May 05, 2019, 12:36
Yes that’s it. Also, crossover to sub will be set at 70Hz default but can choose to change if one has a lesser speaker.

Oh yeah, I'm surprised that it is set at 70Hz by default as well. There is not much literature on this new sound format to say the least...THX recommended 80Hz because of the .1 channel (LFE) but 70Hz is something unique.

I may drop by your place next week weekend to have an experience of this IMAX Enhanced soundmix. Where do you stay?

Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kaydee6 on May 05, 2019, 12:51
I may drop by your place next week weekend to have an experience of this IMAX Enhanced soundmix. Where do you stay?
I stay in Pasir Ris.
Unfortunately, I do not have the IMAX Enhanced sound mixed discs to demo. And zidoo z9s does not allow me to extract the lossy DTS to force on IMAX Enhanced.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on May 05, 2019, 12:54
I stay in Pasir Ris.
Unfortunately, I do not have the IMAX Enhanced sound mixed discs to demo. And zidoo z9s does not allow me to extract the lossy DTS to force on IMAX Enhanced.

It’s fine. Just a visit to experience a fully setup and properly calibrated 8500H then.

To me, IMAX enhanced soundmix is just icing on the cake. Not an absolute necessity for HT imo.


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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kaydee6 on May 05, 2019, 13:38
It’s fine. Just a visit to experience a fully setup and properly calibrated 8500H then.

To me, IMAX enhanced soundmix is just icing on the cake. Not an absolute necessity for HT imo.


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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kaydee6 on May 06, 2019, 08:13
Another review streams in:

“The Denon X8500H is a certified 800-pound immersive audio gorilla. Godzilla in a tux. A phenomenal piece of AV gear.”

Read here:
https://www.avnirvana.com/threads/denon-avr-x8500h-13-2-channel-av-receiver-review.4577/

Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on May 22, 2019, 18:25
AA review:


http://www.youtube.com/v/PSk4ylfDRs8&fs=1
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on May 27, 2019, 22:22
German review:
http://audiovision.de/denon-avc-8500h-test/
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on June 02, 2019, 18:45
Is anyone using "wide" speakers?
Any benefits?
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: sigurros on June 03, 2019, 07:10
Is anyone using "wide" speakers?
Any benefits?

It expands your front soundstage horizontally.

Bro Sevenz heard me setup with and without. Maybe he can give a FR. Lol
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on June 03, 2019, 07:47
Thanks for the reply bro
Yes that’s the theory

Have you tried it?
I’ve read on some forums that very little info actually reaches them so it may not be worth it to try
Cheers
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: sigurros on June 03, 2019, 08:49
Thanks for the reply bro
Yes that’s the theory

Have you tried it?
I’ve read on some forums that very little info actually reaches them so it may not be worth it to try
Cheers
Hi Pete, have been using wides.

As my HT area is wider than depth. 7m x 4m with screen at 7m wall. Thus having back doesn't seems add more also my surround is angled to the MLP at the back wall.

Thus using wides. 

Cheers.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: ralfale on June 03, 2019, 09:48
Simplest way is to pop by bro sigurros place for a listen!
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: sigurros on June 03, 2019, 10:16
Simplest way is to pop by bro sigurros place for a listen!

Haha. Can. But have to arrange for a time.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on June 03, 2019, 19:05
In the past, I have tried wide speaker setup before (for those who still remember Audyssey DSX times) and for it to be "effective", you must have the "space" to play with. Too close, to the mains, defeat the purpose as the soundstage may already be wide (due to the placement and the characteristics of the main speakers itself)...my personal experience tells me that Wide speakers will benefit in a living room setup because of the width to play with, otherwise don't waste your time.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: badbad2000 on June 16, 2019, 11:07
In the past, I have tried wide speaker setup before (for those who still remember Audyssey DSX times) and for it to be "effective", you must have the "space" to play with. Too close, to the mains, defeat the purpose as the soundstage may already be wide (due to the placement and the characteristics of the main speakers itself)...my personal experience tells me that Wide speakers will benefit in a living room setup because of the width to play with, otherwise don't waste your time.

Agree, the surround effect really need space to optimise


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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on June 16, 2019, 19:28
Possible bug found during Audyssey calibration for Atmos-enabled speakers...?!

I have been playing with the Audyssey calibration all over again for about 3 hrs straight today and I found a bug (at least for the Dolby Atmos-enabled speaker setup). There is "always" (without fail) a drop of 6db for the front Dolby Atmos enabled speakers compared to the rear pair. I have tried umpteen times using the traditional calibration and the Audyssey MultEQ Editor App despite showing the same SPL level of 75db for both pairs. This only occur when we play an actual Dolby Atmos media file...for instance, the helicopter hovering above us is so distinct that I need to re-adjust the levels to make it even. The differential is a whopping 6db!!! WTF!

I wonder anyone have any issue with this? Maybe it is the "new" Dolby Atmos Speaker setup which allows the user to input the distance between the Atmos enabled speakers and the ceiling. The default is set at 1.8m but I have to go to the lowest since my Atmos enabled speakers for both front and rear pair are about 1m from the ceiling. Could this be the "problem" when computing? I seriously doubt so...something is not right with the calibration for reflection speakers. I wonder how can I feedback to the Denon support team? Is it to Audyssey (since the problem appears to be the software) but then again, I also understand the manufacturers have a play in this Audyssey suite in some form or another...
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on June 16, 2019, 19:47
For those having problem with "bloated" bass when Dynamic EQ (DEQ) is engaged.

Besides disabling the DEQ, you may want to try this:

1) Select one input source - say your media player. Play one media clip containing an Atmos-track. During playback, hit the <Setup> button.
2) Select "Surround Parameter" and you see the following options:
The "LFE" settings above allows you to reduce the effects of bloated or muddy bass brought about by DEQ to a more acceptable level, making the whole surround effects more "transparent". Try it and see if it works for you. Use the Dolby "Amaze" track to test out the thunderous sound effect and see if it makes a difference.

Do take note that DEQ and Dynamic Volume are optional but you must "always" use Audyssey MultEQ curve to take advantage of all the whole Audyssey flavours.

The incorporation of Room Gain into DEQ is the "Root Cause"...

The problem with Audyssey DEQ or should I say the "approach" used is somewhat different from other Room EQ where "room gain" has been automatically added into the package using the DEQ method. So when we listen to movies at a level below reference (say -20db), the DEQ will compensate by making adjustments to the surround and LFE to ensure that the move sound mix will not be affected when we are not listening at reference level (i.e. "0" db) but this also creates the problem with "bloated" bass which "masked" the surround effects and making the whole movie too bass-heavy.

Coming from Anthem Room Correction (ARC) Genesis, the room gain is separated from the other channels which makes it easy for user to tame the bass to our personal taste which sets this apart from Audyssey in this regard.

Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kaydee6 on June 16, 2019, 20:44
Possible bug found during Audyssey calibration for Atmos-enabled speakers...?!

I have been playing with the Audyssey calibration all over again for about 3 hrs straight today and I found a bug (at least for the Dolby Atmos-enabled speaker setup). There is "always" (without fail) a drop of 6db for the front Dolby Atmos enabled speakers compared to the rear pair. I have tried umpteen times using the traditional calibration and the Audyssey MultEQ Editor App despite showing the same SPL level of 75db for both pairs. This only occur when we play an actual Dolby Atmos media file...for instance, the helicopter hovering above us is so distinct that I need to re-adjust the levels to make it even. The differential is a whopping 6db!!! WTF!

I wonder anyone have any issue with this? Maybe it is the "new" Dolby Atmos Speaker setup which allows the user to input the distance between the Atmos enabled speakers and the ceiling. The default is set at 1.8m but I have to go to the lowest since my Atmos enabled speakers for both front and rear pair are about 1m from the ceiling. Could this be the "problem" when computing? I seriously doubt so...something is not right with the calibration for reflection speakers. I wonder how can I feedback to the Denon support team? Is it to Audyssey (since the problem appears to be the software) but then again, I also understand the manufacturers have a play in this Audyssey suite in some form or another...


You could ping j_at_audyssey at avsforum regarding this phenomenon. He's with Audyssey.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on June 16, 2019, 21:37
You could ping j_at_audyssey at avsforum regarding this phenomenon. He's with Audyssey.

Thanks bro.



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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on June 17, 2019, 18:06
After playing with the various settings on the Audyssey MultEQ Editor app as well as the AVR settings for the last 12 hrs or so...I have finally tuned the sound to my liking...and now it is at least on par with my Anthem MRX-720. I will be sharing some of my tips on some of the settings for both the Editor app (it is a must-have imo, sadly, it didn't come as a free package) and the settings on the X8500H itself tmr. Frankly, I am rather pleasantly by the sonic performance of this X8500H when paired with Audyssey MultEQ XT32, except for the *bug* I have mentioned in my earlier posts.


 ;)
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kaydee6 on June 17, 2019, 18:22
After playing with the various settings on the Audyssey MultEQ Editor app as well as the AVR settings for the last 12 hrs or so...I have finally tuned the sound to my liking...and now it is at least on par with my Anthem MRX-720. I will be sharing some of my tips on some of the settings for both the Editor app (it is a must-have imo, sadly, it didn't come as a free package) and the settings on the X8500H itself tmr. Frankly, I am rather pleasantly by the sonic performance of this X8500H when paired with Audyssey MultEQ XT32, except for the *bug* I have mentioned in my earlier posts.


 ;)

Nice, look forward to your setup tip :)
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on June 17, 2019, 18:46
👍
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: sanhas on June 17, 2019, 19:42
After playing with the various settings on the Audyssey MultEQ Editor app as well as the AVR settings for the last 12 hrs or so...I have finally tuned the sound to my liking...and now it is at least on par with my Anthem MRX-720. I will be sharing some of my tips on some of the settings for both the Editor app (it is a must-have imo, sadly, it didn't come as a free package) and the settings on the X8500H itself tmr. Frankly, I am rather pleasantly by the sonic performance of this X8500H when paired with Audyssey MultEQ XT32, except for the *bug* I have mentioned in my earlier posts.


 ;)
May I know where did you get the Audyssey MultEQ Editor and how much is it?
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: sevenz on June 17, 2019, 22:11
After playing with the various settings on the Audyssey MultEQ Editor app as well as the AVR settings for the last 12 hrs or so...I have finally tuned the sound to my liking...and now it is at least on par with my Anthem MRX-720. I will be sharing some of my tips on some of the settings for both the Editor app (it is a must-have imo, sadly, it didn't come as a free package) and the settings on the X8500H itself tmr. Frankly, I am rather pleasantly by the sonic performance of this X8500H when paired with Audyssey MultEQ XT32, except for the *bug* I have mentioned in my earlier posts.


 ;)

Oooh nice.

I havent touched the MultEQ app for a long time due to the bugs that it gave for exceedingly high xover values. Hope they solved this.

Maybe I should revisit this app :)
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: sevenz on June 17, 2019, 22:12
May I know where did you get the Audyssey MultEQ Editor and how much is it?

u can purchase it via your app store depending on which mobile OS u use.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on June 17, 2019, 22:16
May I know where did you get the Audyssey MultEQ Editor and how much is it?

iTunes / Apple App store
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: sanhas on June 17, 2019, 23:51
 Thanks all for the information.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: Pismo Mac on June 18, 2019, 08:34
https://apps.apple.com/sg/app/audyssey-multeq-editor-app/id1210584625


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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: badbad2000 on June 19, 2019, 00:00
After playing with the various settings on the Audyssey MultEQ Editor app as well as the AVR settings for the last 12 hrs or so...I have finally tuned the sound to my liking...and now it is at least on par with my Anthem MRX-720. I will be sharing some of my tips on some of the settings for both the Editor app (it is a must-have imo, sadly, it didn't come as a free package) and the settings on the X8500H itself tmr. Frankly, I am rather pleasantly by the sonic performance of this X8500H when paired with Audyssey MultEQ XT32, except for the *bug* I have mentioned in my earlier posts.


 ;)

Best write like dummies guide, so everyone easy to learn



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Title: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on June 22, 2019, 11:39
Sorry for the late posting as I'm busy with work these days... :-\ :-\ :-\

As I have mentioned, I have no desire to write a review since there are a lot out there in the internet. Simply google it and you will find it. To keep it brief, this is indeed one helluva "beast" that Denon has created in her lab. It harkens back to the  AVR 5803 era where all channels driven in 170w at 8ohms. Of course, the X8500H isn't near the 5803 when it comes to power ratings simply because of the extra channels to amplify - i.e. 13.2 channels as opposed to the 7.2 channels. But that aside, it is still equally impressive by today's standards. Well done Denon!

Audyssey Re-visited!
As you can see, I have abandoned Audyssey MultEQ XT32 for almost a year now. I have been using Anthem MRX 720 which I STILL think that it sounds much better than Audyssey and I stand firm by my decision even till this day after playing with the new X8500H for almost a week. It is refreshing to go back to my Audyssey roots after a year and I see there has been some changes made to the Assistant and the inclusion of the new "Dolby Speaker Setup" feature mostly for the Atmos speaker module (in my case the KEF R50) to take advantage of more precise and improved reading to these type of reflective speakers. Does it do a great job? Well, I can say it does "improve the imaging to a certain extent" compared to my previous model, the X7200WA. Is it worth rushing out to get it if one owned a X7200WA, my answer is definitely NO!

The Audyssey MultEQ Pro Editor App -  A Must-have!
I have to admit that when I decide to go back to Denon X8500H, I am not really too excited about it since there is no novelty (being playing with Audyssey AVR for the past 7 years) and we all know the limitations of Audyssey in some instances - e.g. anaemic bass (lack of a house curve to boost at the 60 - 100Hz region), dialogue not as clear and the dreaded Dynamic EQ (DEQ) which makes the bass sound "bloated" and "muffled". Fortunately D&M released this Audyssey MultEQ Pro Editor app which can help to address some of these problems.

Disable the Midrange Dip immediately!
For instance, I discovered that without the app, all speakers will be calibrated with a midrange dip at 2KHz by default. I discovered that this is actually doing more harm than good in spite of the well intentions on the part of Audyssey engineering team where it supposed to help make the vocal/dialogue much smoother/mellow instead of being to bright/harsh. The default value is set at 2KHz but bear in mind that this is a after all a good estimation at best without really taking into considerations of the capabilities of the speakers you owned and the room EQ etc...this arbitrary value of 2KHz is a joke! Fortunately with this handy app, you can finally get rid of this horrendous "midrange dip" or what Audyssey termed as "Midrange Compensation". Thank goodness, it can be disabled!

Audyssey 101
I have already covered quite extensively in my Audyssey stickies in this segment of the forum. I just want to sound out the importance of speaker and subwoofer placement. Nothing in this Room EQ calibration magic/voodoo can help you if you have poor speaker/subwoofer placement in your listening environment. To ensure Audyssey does what it supposed to do - i.e. room correction to give you the smoothest flat response for all your speakers, you have to ensure speakers and subwoofer(s) are properly placed. With that, you can be assured that minimal Audyssey intervention will be required to make drastic changes to the frequency response which can sometimes do more harm than good.

Getting the Crossover right is the KEY!
One of the most important aspect when it some to post-Audyssey calibration is to set the proper crossover for your speakers. As some may or may not be aware that Audyssey is NOT the "culprit" here when it comes to "guessing" the crossover values for your speakers, instead it is the AVR and often times, the crossover values are wrong, especially with the Center speaker and the Mains (L/R). What you need to do is to determine the allowable range of crossover settings for each of your speaker pair. For instance, my Mains are using the KEF R100 and the frequency response for this pair is 49Hz to 45KHz and a crossover frequency range of 2500Hz. Next you need to know your subwoofer frequency response and in my case, I'm using the JL Audio E112 which gave me a response of 22 Hz to 130Hz. Now that we know the lowest frequency response of my Mains is 49Hz and the highest frequency response of my subwoofer is 130Hz. We have figured out the allowable crossover range for my Mains to be anywhere between 50Hz - 130Hz. But that's not specific enough, to be more precise, you will need to double the lowest frequency response - i.e. 50Hz x 2 = 100Hz to get the ballpark crossover to play with. Now the new set of allowable range for my KEF R100 will be between 100Hz and 130Hz. This takes away a lot of guessing work between 50Hz to 130Hz. As a rue of thumb, if you have a REW and you are able to measure with a certain degree of certainty that your subwoofer(s) is/are able to go flat between 20Hz to 20Khz, then you can opt for a higher crossover - e.g. 110Hz or even 120Hz (even though we are intruding into the territory of a satellite speaker setup). The key is to experiment to get the smoothest crossover frequency between your Mains and the subwoofer(s).

Play some mix of 2 channels bass to mid-bass level music to have a listen. If you have yet to perform the phase control, this is the time to do it (refer to my tutorial in the stickies for more info). What you want is to listen for the bass to blend in seamlessly with the music coming from the Mains. Remember, the whole idea is to make the subwoofer "disappear" into the background with the music playing. If you have 2 subwoofers, perform the phase control on each subwoofer until you get an "even balance" at your MLP.

Making changes to the settings on the Audyssey MultEQ Pro Editor App
There are a few options available for user to play around but there are only 3 settings you need to work on. The first is the Speaker Detection Results. In here, you can change the crossover settings as well as the distance and trim levels (all here in one place).

The second one is the MultEQ Filter Frequency Range. By default it is set at a full spectrum (20Hz to 20KHz). What I did is to set the range according to the speaker's crossover frequency which in my case is 2504Hz for my KEF R100 and my Surround speakers, the Mirage OMNI Flex at 2018Hz so on and forth. Each speaker can have a different frequency treatment which is a great thing since not all speakers are designed the same. Make sense?

Recall that one of the gripe we have about traditional Audyssey calibration is the inability to create a custom house curve, this App allows you to create a custom curve for your subwoofers (combined if you have 2 subwoofers) though not as sophisticated compared to some of the more robust calibration suite like Dirac. At the very least, we can finally do something about this "house curve" to create that chest thumping impact. For that we will need to bump up the frequency between the 40Hz and 120Hz region but YMMV depending on your room size and the kind of subwoofers you owned. Again you need to experiment it. An increase of around 4 - 6db range will be a good starting point. I'm setting mine at +4db @35Hz and a gradual decrease to +2db @100Hz before going flat at 250Hz (letting Audyssey EQ Filter to take its course). I am still experimenting...but so far I'm liking it. :)

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After you have made the necessary tweaks and changes on the App, upload it to the AVR via Wi-Fi and then test it out on some of the demo materials ranging from movies to music until you satisfy of the results.

Post-settings on the AVR
After the tweaks on the App itself, you will want to ensure that "Reference" setting on the MultEQ XT32 option has been selected - don't select Flat as it will defeat the purpose since the tweaks made on the App is solely meant for Reference. Selecting "Flat" as the name suggest will flatten everything...meaning there will be no slight roll-off at the higher frequency which is important for movie watching and also the slight bump in the bass region will be gone as well. Also ensure DEQ is enabled and Dynamic Volume (Optional) set to "Light" setting to enhance the surround and dialogue channel when listening at anywhere like -20db below Reference level (at 0db). You will need these features to be enabled since none of us will be listening anywhere near Reference level.

Conclusion
A good listening range for Denon X8500H will be somewhere between -20db (with Dynamic Volume enabled) and -15db (with Dynamic Volume disabled) in order to get that cinematic listening level and feel. So is it as good as I have expected after performing all these steps? Yes, it does, at least to me. At the end of the day, a well placed speaker/subwoofer setup is the superior solution compared to the reliance of Audyssey to do the "dirty work" (Room EQ) for us...this applies to all kinds of Room EQ. If you can, start moving the speakers and especially the subwoofer(s) around to optimum positions before performing any calibration. You will be surprised how Audyssey can still wows you after so many years, I know I did!
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on June 22, 2019, 13:37
I'm still deciding which one to keep - Anthem MRX-720 with ARC Genesis or the new Denon X8500H. Sound wise, I still prefer Anthem ARC Genesis but not by much (thanks the Audyssey MultEQ Pro Editor App). On the other hand, Denon X8500H has all the neat features and packs a punch in terms of features and discrete 13.2 channels!!!

Decision...Decision...Decision... ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kaydee6 on June 22, 2019, 14:03
I'm still deciding which one to keep - Anthem MRX-720 with ARC Genesis or the new Denon X8500H. Sound wise, I still prefer Anthem ARC Genesis but Denon has all the neat features and packs a punch in terms of features and discrete 13.2 channels!!! Decision...Decision...Decision...


Sell both and try Dirac. :)
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on June 22, 2019, 14:49
Sell both and try Dirac. :)

Not an option bro...at least not now. :)
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on June 22, 2019, 15:18
**IMPORTANT NOTE WHEN BOOSTING**

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Be careful not to boost too much in the region from 80Hz onwards as this is the frequency where bass started to become localized. Too much of it will make the bass too boomy and lost it "tightness"...must be even more careful in the lower mid-range (250Hz 500Hz) as too much boost will muddle the soundstage. You must know the capability of your subwoofer...if your subwoofer is able to maintain a flat frequency curve even w/o any form of calibration, it is not advisable to boost too much as it will affect the rest of the frequency spectrum down the line. Modest boost of 2db to 3db will yield much better results in this case. Remember, to start from somewhere between 40Hz to 120Hz and then experiment which frequency range to boost...Boost must be gradually tapered in order to return back to the "original" EQ curve - i.e. flat through 250Hz.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on June 22, 2019, 15:43
@Kenshin07 - The other time I was at your new place to audition the X8500H, I recalled your AVR was placed inside the TV cabinet. I think you may want to bring the "beast" out of the cabinet and for better ventilation...This thing really emits a lot of heat especially if you running all channels at high volume.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kaydee6 on June 22, 2019, 15:53
Yes it does get toasty. I would not put in a confined space even with air conditioning turned on.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on June 22, 2019, 15:59
I'm still deciding which one to keep - Anthem MRX-720 with ARC Genesis or the new Denon X8500H. Sound wise, I still prefer Anthem ARC Genesis but not by much (thanks the Audyssey MultEQ Pro Editor App). On the other hand, Denon X8500H has all the neat features and packs a punch in terms of features and discrete 13.2 channels!!!

Decision...Decision...Decision... ::) ::) ::)
Thanks for sharing your thoughts bro
Now you may know what I've been using the Audyssey based AV amps for the longest time. From a consumer point of view, rather than a pro tweaker, especially the computer goondu types, it represents the simplest yet best sounding option for now.
There are certainly better options out there, but if I may speak for the average Joe, it's fast, simple and relatively effective.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on June 22, 2019, 16:00
@Kenshin07 - The other time I was at your new place to audition the X8500H, I recalled your AVR was placed inside the TV cabinet. I think you may want to bring the "beast" out of the cabinet and for better ventilation...This thing really emits a lot of heat especially if you running all channels at high volume.

+1, I use an open cabinet, with some clearance and still employ a fan on top to draw air away. But it's all about the balance of WAF vs function I guess... YMMV
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kenshin07 on June 22, 2019, 16:14
@Kenshin07 - The other time I was at your new place to audition the X8500H, I recalled your AVR was placed inside the TV cabinet. I think you may want to bring the "beast" out of the cabinet and for better ventilation...This thing really emits a lot of heat especially if you running all channels at high volume.


I have dual ac infinity fan on top of my denon 8500 sucking out the hot air, i manage to keep it cool even watching for long hours. My 8500 amp only drive my atmos, the rest of the channel are driven by external power amp.

This amp is a beast, in term of audysee i find is okay, easy to use but sound quality performance is really good.

Last time you mention the bass at my place is boomy, now after much tweaking and with my new sofa added. Bass is very much better.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on June 22, 2019, 16:27
I have dual ac infinity fan on top of my denon 8500 sucking out the hot air, i manage to keep it cool even watching for long hours. My 8500 amp only drive my atmos, the rest of the channel are driven by external power amp.

This amp is a beast, in term of audysee i find is okay, easy to use but sound quality performance is really good.

Last time you mention the bass at my place is boomy, now after much tweaking and with my new sofa added. Bass is very much better.

Glad to know. Thumbs up.



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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on June 22, 2019, 16:28
Thanks for sharing your thoughts bro
Now you may know what I've been using the Audyssey based AV amps for the longest time. From a consumer point of view, rather than a pro tweaker, especially the computer goondu types, it represents the simplest yet best sounding option for now.
There are certainly better options out there, but if I may speak for the average Joe, it's fast, simple and relatively effective.

Agreed in unison.


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Title: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on June 22, 2019, 16:29
Yes it does get toasty. I would not put in a confined space even with air conditioning turned on.

+1.  It gets very hot especially when I’m driving all my 7.2.4 speakers without any power amps now (all sold).

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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: Tiktokape on June 22, 2019, 16:58
Thanks for sharing your thoughts bro
Now you may know what I've been using the Audyssey based AV amps for the longest time. From a consumer point of view, rather than a pro tweaker, especially the computer goondu types, it represents the simplest yet best sounding option for now.
There are certainly better options out there, but if I may speak for the average Joe, it's fast, simple and relatively effective.
It depends. I configured my NAD AVR with built-in DIRAC via its standalone iOS app. All one need to do is follow through the process. For one who is capable to tweak, then can do REW further in wholesome manner. I’m not the latter in my case.

That said, if one does not even explore, how does one knows which is the simplest on the table?



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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kaydee6 on June 22, 2019, 18:03
I'm still deciding which one to keep - Anthem MRX-720 with ARC Genesis or the new Denon X8500H. Sound wise, I still prefer Anthem ARC Genesis but not by much (thanks the Audyssey MultEQ Pro Editor App). On the other hand, Denon X8500H has all the neat features and packs a punch in terms of features and discrete 13.2 channels!!!

Decision...Decision...Decision... ::) ::) ::)
Not an option bro...at least not now. :)


Yes I’m curious which of the amp you will eventually keep.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on June 22, 2019, 18:04
It depends. I configured my NAD AVR with built-in DIRAC via its standalone iOS app. All one need to do is follow through the process. For one who is capable to tweak, then can do REW further in wholesome manner. I’m not the latter in my case.

That said, if one does not even explore, how does one knows which is the simplest on the table?



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Agreed as well...you never know until you really try it. For me, I'm the more "adventurous" type and I will go all out to test the system I owned to the fullest extent before I retire "them". It is really quite simple as long as you follow closely to the instructions given... :)
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on June 22, 2019, 18:05
Yes I’m curious which of the amp you will eventually keep.

Either one...I will put up both for sale and see which one gets reserved first, I'll keep the one that left behind. Either way, I am very satisfied with both AVRs at this point.


Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on June 22, 2019, 18:48
Either one...I will put up both for sale and see which one gets reserved first, I'll keep the one that left behind. Either way, I am very satisfied with both AVRs at this point.



I've not tried the Anthem, so I can only give a perhaps 'biased' view:
The Denon comes from a larger family, so IMO, firmware updates will be more prompt. It is currently the only AV amp which can be updated to HDMI 2.1 (not free, but at least, it's possible)
Enough power for 13 channels, plus the needed processing power as well. Build quality is more than decent, which means it will last for quite a few years..
But yes, sure, perhaps one has to try a bunch of amps to see which fits. I had an NAD before, good power, but no DIRAC back then. And I'm not as adventurous... ha
Title: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on June 22, 2019, 19:16
I've not tried the Anthem, so I can only give a perhaps 'biased' view:
The Denon comes from a larger family, so IMO, firmware updates will be more prompt. It is currently the only AV amp which can be updated to HDMI 2.1 (not free, but at least, it's possible)
Enough power for 13 channels, plus the needed processing power as well. Build quality is more than decent, which means it will last for quite a few years..
But yes, sure, perhaps one has to try a bunch of amps to see which fits. I had an NAD before, good power, but no DIRAC back then. And I'm not as adventurous... ha

Hi Pete, agreed with all your assessments, especially on the future proof portion (possible upgrade to HDMI 2.1). You are right, if I retain the Anthem, I will need to spend money to get power amp to drive my Atmos modules. But with Denon, I have no need for that. Either way, i am fine in keeping one or the other based on my actual usage. For Denon, this is still considered a flagship so expect me to sell at a premium (local warranty still have plenty) but for my Anthem, left with less than a month but the free upgrade to use ARC Genesis makes this a worthwhile purchase. If I really have to pick, i am most likely gonna keep the Denon as i am quite happy with its audio performance after playing around with the Audyssey app for the past couple of days. But for Anthem, it is more exciting due to the ARC Genesis software which is very very good. Uploading and changing settings are on the fly.

I will eventually try the Dirac in AVR in due course but for now, I think ARC performed equally good and so is Audyssey (still the BEST as far as consumer grade HT audio calibration is concerned).


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Title: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on June 28, 2019, 21:42
Some updates to the Curve Editor using the Audyssey MultEQ Pro Editor App.

I have did more testing and I found out that to have smoother bass response while adjusting for more "grunt" at the mid-bass slam...you can experiment in the region of 20Hz to 25Hz for the "Low Frequency Extension" (hint: refer to your subwoofer(s) frequency response. See what is the lowest it can go). For instance, my JL Audio E112 can go as low as 22Hz. Usually I will add about 3db - 6db gain in the region between 22Hz and 25Hz. Next you will want to set the crossover frequency point for "High Frequency Extension" as well. Based on my experience through trial and error, I'll add about 30Hz to 50Hz. For instance, my JL E112 highest frequency response is about 130Hz. So 130Hz + 30Hz/+50Hz = 160Hz to 180Hz will be the ballpark region.

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Compared to my previous experiment with a +4db in gain from 40Hz to 60Hz. This time round the bass is much tighter and more seamless while retaining the lower end grunt between 20Hz to 25Hz. As it is a gradual slope from 3db to 0db across the bass response from 22Hz to 180Hz, the mid-bass slam also stands to benefit. Those with the app may want to try it. It works for me.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on June 30, 2019, 20:32
Continue to play more with the settings...seems like my ears are quite "picky" these days. I guess I have been spoiled by Anthem ARC for the past 1 year or so. Th problem is never with the speakers, levels or distance settings, for those things, Audyssey got it spot on every time. Crossover and the bass is the hardest to get right and requires a lot of time and effort even with The Audyssey MultEQ Pro Editor App.

The following are the keys that one will need to experiment with a wide selection of materials ranging from movies, TV shows to 2 channel stereo. It seems that there is no "one-size-fits-all" solution when it comes to Audyssey calibration.

Ironically, I started out with the following settings:

1. Audyssey set at "Reference" level
2. Dynamic EQ set to "On"
3. Dynamic Volume set to "Light"
4. Under the App, turn "off" Midbass Compensation (MRC)
5. Under the App, select the frequency range to fit the various speaker crossover frequency range (refer to the speaker spec sheet)
6. Under the App, do a bump of +2db - 3db at the lower end of the frequency (e.g. 22Hz) and gradually crossover at 180Hz

Now I have pretty much went back to the default settings set by Audyssey. There are:

1. Audyssey set at "Reference" level
2. Dynamic EQ set to "On"
3. Dynamic Volume set to "Off" (new)
4. Under the App, turn "off" Midbass Compensation (MRC)
5. Under the App, select the frequency range to fit the various speaker crossover frequency range (refer to the speaker spec sheet)
6. Use back "flat" curve - no more bumping at the lower end of the frequency range (new)
7. Turn on Dialogue Enhancer to "Medium" level (new)

Crossover settings is the "key"
It turns out that setting the correct crossover values for the various speakers is the hardest but also made the most impact to better bass response. You simply need to play around with the various crossover values until you get a smoother bass response (nothing new here actually). BTW Audyssey did not set the crossover values for all your speakers during the calibration process (in case you are not aware), the AVR does and often times, it did a piss poor job at defining the correct crossover values for the speakers, especially the LCR! The LCR is actually the most important speaker arrays that will either make or break the whole HT sound experience. My advice is that if you know your subwoofer(s) is/are able to go "flat" from 20Hz - 20KHz, then start with the highest crossover range and work your way down...For instance, if the speaker highest frequency response is say 52Hz and the highest frequency response for your subwoofers is around 118Hz, then start with the highest crossover for your speakers from 100Hz and slowly work your way down to 60Hz and see which one is the best. While this isn't something "new" here but many of us didn't get it right the first time.
Title: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on July 13, 2019, 22:58
Another week...another tweak... ;D ;D ;D

Been playing with the LPF for LFE setting on the Denon X8500H and I have finally settle on the following settings which yield the best bass response I have gotten so far. Here are the changes been made.

1. Audyssey set at "Reference" level
2. Dynamic EQ set to "On"
3. Dynamic Volume set to "Off"
4. Under the App, turn "off" Midbass Compensation (MRC)
5. Under the App, select the frequency range to fit the various speaker crossover frequency range (refer to the speaker spec sheet)
6. Lowered the LPF for LFE filter to 100Hz from the default 120Hz (new)
7. Bumped up 3db* for 70Hz and gradually decrease to 0db (flat response) at 150Hz for that mid-bass slam via the Audyssey MultEQ Pro Editor App(new)
8. Crossover for the LCR set at 80Hz (THX level) (new)
9. Turn on Dialogue Enhancer to "Medium" level

(http://xtremeplace.ddns.net/images/misc/LPF_LFE_chart.jpg)

* - The reason why I bumped up 3db is to compensate for the loss in levels (db) as we lowered the LPF filter to 100Hz. Based on the chart depicted above. With the LPF is set at (4th Order) 24db/octave, we know there will be a loss of about 3db in overall SPL at 100Hz (the chosen LPF filter) and more as we go lower due to the steep roll-off. Audyssey SubEQ HT did an admirable job to "flatten" both of subwoofers response frequency response. To get the mid-bass slam (70Hz - 150Hz/200Hz region), I have added a boost of (+3db) at 70Hz and gradually down to a plateau at about 150Hz region. Anything higher will have a detrimental effects on my Atmos effects (bass muddled the high frequency which is necessary for my Dolby Atmos enabled speakers to work at its peak).

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190713/b274ea8584970d84e8717b5f2ae69408.jpg)

The results were great with tighter bass and more slam at the mid-bass region w/o any hint of "muddled" bass.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on July 14, 2019, 14:23
For those who wish to get rid of the Mid-Bass Compensation (BBC dip) at the default 2KHz after Audyssey calibration but not willing to spend extra money to get the Editor App, you can choose the Flat Audyssey EQ curve instead of the Reference Curve. The Flat curve will not have a roll-off at 4KHz like its Reference brethren but this may not necessarily be a bad thing. Try it and see if it improves the SQ.

Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kaydee6 on July 15, 2019, 15:08
@Desray,

Take note when you boost the sub channel in the app, the app will shift the boosted sub curve to the reference 0 level. You will have to increase the level accordingly in the App's speaker detection page to compensate.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on July 15, 2019, 15:57
@Desray,

Take note when you boost the sub channel in the app, the app will shift the boosted sub curve to the reference 0 level. You will have to increase the level accordingly in the App's speaker detection page to compensate.

Bro, are you saying that I have to increase the trim levels for the “subwoofer” correspondingly under the App’s Speaker Detection page? Can you elaborate on the part of the about shifting the boosted subwoofer curve (in my case is +3db @70Hz) to the “reference level”? I don’t get what you mean.

Anyway I’m still experimenting. I urge everyone to share more here in this dedicated thread on X8500H. I know quite a few members using the X8500H but very few come in to comment on their tuning. Care to share your findings and how you tweak or fine tune your X8500H with the rest of us to benefit from your knowledge?



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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kaydee6 on July 15, 2019, 17:21
Bro, are you saying that I have to increase the trim levels for the “subwoofer” correspondingly under the App’s Speaker Detection page?
Yes


Can you elaborate on the part of the about shifting the boosted subwoofer curve (in my case is +3db @70Hz) to the “reference level”? I don’t get what you mean.
Check this post and the corresponding posts after.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-receivers-amps-processors/2376770-official-audyssey-thread-part-ii-220.html#post58135148



Anyway I’m still experimenting. I urge everyone to share more here in this dedicated thread on X8500H. I know quite a few members using the X8500H but very few come in to comment on their tuning. Care to share your findings and how you tweak or fine tune your X8500H with the rest of us to benefit from your knowledge?
After limiting Audyssey corrections at 200hz, 500hz, 1500hz and 2000hz. I am back to full correction.
Why full correction? I've posted this in AVSforum recently:
"I have always limit Audyssey XT32 correction to 500hz (Schroeder frequency).
But recently with more speaker adjustments and careful mic placement during calibration (heights and distances from 1st mic position), I am keeping with full cal for the following reasons:

1. Improved center channel dialogue clarity with full correction (contributed by the flat mid range section of the Reference curve).
2. More solid stereo focus with 2.1 music listening (deciding and critical factor).
3. Perceived better 5.1 integration for multi channel movie materials.

Chris K. might be correct all this time to stick with full cal. However, having said that a proper mic placement during calibration is critical.
Audyssey is not a plug, calibrate and forget system."

In addition, my crossover for LCR is set 60hz, Surrounds at 80hz, LPF for LFE at 100hz (still evaluating).
I am as much a 2 channels audiophile as a HT guy. So achieving good music reproduction from the Denon x8500h is still a priority for me but yet to find the sweet spot for 2.1 music. Current setting for 2.1 music is Audyssey Reference, DEQ -15. Have tried turning off DEQ and used house curve but the wife who is also my 2nd pair of ears did not approve. I am still experimenting.

Another personal observation is I am not 100% turned off by Audyssey's MRC. My experience with it is there is merit in it but again more testing needed. Lyngdorf's room perfect had the dip at 3khz and Linkwitz designed his crossovers to introduce the dip at 3khz.  Possibly moving the dip to 3khz is the next thing I will try.

I would love to post screenshots of the app with my calibrated result. All channels look good and flat especially the sub. But it's a pain to post images here in xtremeplace.
Also, for those who have Audyssey-based HT, I recommend to read up the Audyssey guide and the whole 226 pages of discussion, the subwoofer guide and the whole 47 pages of it. I did and learned a lot from it which was also part of the fun.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-receivers-amps-processors/2376770-official-audyssey-thread-part-ii.html

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-subwoofers-bass-transducers/2958528-guide-subwoofer-calibration-bass-preferences.html

Present hardware configuration:
100" Cyrus grey screen
Epson TW8300W projector
SVS Ultra bookshelves
SVS Ultra Center
SVS SBS-01 surround
SVS SB4000 subwoofer







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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on July 15, 2019, 20:14

I would love to post screenshots of the app with my calibrated result. All channels look good and flat especially the sub. But it's a pain to post images here in xtremeplace.


For posting of images using the Audyssey Editor App, try to do screenshots and then use Tapatalk to do the posting. Its easier that way.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on July 15, 2019, 20:44
Bro, are you saying that I have to increase the trim levels for the “subwoofer” correspondingly under the App’s Speaker Detection page?
Yes

Can you elaborate on the part of the about shifting the boosted subwoofer curve (in my case is +3db @70Hz) to the “reference level”? I don’t get what you mean.
Check this post and the corresponding posts after.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-receivers-amps-processors/2376770-official-audyssey-thread-part-ii-220.html#post58135148

Thanks for pointing me to the discussion thread. And yes, if the graph is depicted correctly then it makes perfect sense that Audyssey will try to "re-align" the subwoofer levels after modifying the "Target curve" for say a LCR. The boost in the Subwoofer levels at the lower frequency spectrum did not result in a corresponding boost for the subwoofer but instead implemented a "cut" for the Mains so as to maintain Reference level at '0'db. Since I'm not playing with the Mains but the Subwoofer target curve only, so I guess I will add a corresponding increase of +3db to the Subwoofer trim levels.

I will experiment more...really late into the X8500H game.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on July 15, 2019, 20:52

Anyway I’m still experimenting. I urge everyone to share more here in this dedicated thread on X8500H. I know quite a few members using the X8500H but very few come in to comment on their tuning. Care to share your findings and how you tweak or fine tune your X8500H with the rest of us to benefit from your knowledge?

After limiting Audyssey corrections at 200hz, 500hz, 1500hz and 2000hz. I am back to full correction.
Why full correction? I've posted this in AVSforum recently:
"I have always limit Audyssey XT32 correction to 500hz (Schroeder frequency).
But recently with more speaker adjustments and careful mic placement during calibration (heights and distances from 1st mic position)...



Yes, agreed that you can try to limit the frequency EQ correction to 500Hz. I recalled Audyssey's Reference target curve starts to roll-off around 4KHz and anything above 5KHz (according to Anthem and several other Pros) sound becomes "directional" as it takes on the characteristics of room modes as a result of reflections etc. So if your speakers are good, we can allow the speakers at is own devices at the higher frequency response.

For me, I refer to the speaker manufacturer's specs sheet to tell me their max frequency response and I'll just apply that to the target curves. I will continue to experiment :)
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on July 15, 2019, 20:54
DJQ, Pete and other owners, care to share your tuning experience for the X8500H? I'm quite late into the game...
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on July 15, 2019, 21:02
@Kaydee6 - I bet that you already aware that there is a crossover "bug" for the Mains with the latest revision of the Audyssey Editor App since you are a prolific user of the App. I have already reported it to the D&M developer and hope to see it patched soon. But I'm not holding my breath on this.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kaydee6 on July 15, 2019, 21:03
@Kaydee6 - I bet that you already aware that there is a crossover "bug" for the Mains with the latest revision of the Audyssey Editor App since you are a prolific user of the App. I have already reported it to the D&M developer and hope to see it patched soon. But I'm not holding my breath on this.

Yes, it's a pain. Thanks for bringing this up to D&M.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: Pismo Mac on July 16, 2019, 13:24
On tuning, I just run the app. All this stuff is too technical for me, I could barely understand half the stuff posted.

Last night I tried to connect my Pioneer BDP450 Blu-Ray player to the AVR.  Only picture, no sound. Fiddled around with the “Main” and “Sub” outputs, the “Dual”, “Separate” and “Pure Audio” settings on the Pioneer, and ARC settings in “Video” on the Denon and the MIC UST projector, still no sound. Gave up after an hour.

I think I should just stick to the plug and play stuff like Apple TV. 


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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kaydee6 on July 16, 2019, 14:23
Impressive numbers
http://audiovision.de/denon-avc-8500h-test/

(http://audiovision.de/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Bewertung-8.jpg)

A quick scan of the AV processor/receiver reviews in this German site shows 97/100 may be the highest score they have given, and that is among other high-end processors like the Marantz 8805 and Trinnov. They really like the Denon x8500h.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: badbad2000 on July 16, 2019, 22:18
My x8500 network function totally not working, all network related option grey out. Even the wifi option also disappeared. Factory reset also no use.


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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on July 16, 2019, 22:25
DJQ, Pete and other owners, care to share your tuning experience for the X8500H? I'm quite late into the game...

It sounds better after the third tuning, but I've just got some diffusers and absorbers installed, so I'll report back soon... resolving a few things first.. the weekend was quite busy but very fruitful..
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on July 16, 2019, 22:31
My x8500 network function totally not working, all network related option grey out. Even the wifi option also disappeared. Factory reset also no use.


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Did you connect the antenna?
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kaydee6 on July 17, 2019, 09:30
Good history lesson on the Denon's flagship receiver since 1996.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLx-pNY1os4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLx-pNY1os4)
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: badbad2000 on July 17, 2019, 10:10
Did you connect the antenna?


all the while is attached, and also test with ethernet cable. Quite disappointed with Denon quality as also made in Japan. My previous unit Marantz AV8802 never have such issues for years. Now the tech said i need to bring in the unit for repair if no part need wait 1-2 weeks.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kaydee6 on July 17, 2019, 10:33
all the while is attached, and also test with ethernet cable. Quite disappointed with Denon quality as also made in Japan. My previous unit Marantz AV8802 never have such issues for years. Now the tech said i need to bring in the unit for repair if no part need wait 1-2 weeks.

Not working since day 1?
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on July 17, 2019, 11:19
Good history lesson on the Denon's flagship receiver since 1996.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLx-pNY1os4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLx-pNY1os4)
These HKG shops tend to sell a variety of stuff, ala KEC, rather than single product lines..


Wonder if they managed to isolate the sound from the road... the shop is just next to the main road..
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: badbad2000 on July 17, 2019, 13:13
Not working since day 1?
No, is working all the while, not sure when it stopped working.


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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on July 17, 2019, 14:32
No, is working all the while, not sure when it stopped working.


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Can u do a static IP address instead of using DHCP.



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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on July 17, 2019, 18:16
No, is working all the while, not sure when it stopped working.


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Did you do the "Network reset" ?If your router is dual band (ie. 2.4gHz/5gHz) have you tried using the alternate band?
The AVS forum has some tips to troubleshoot
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: badbad2000 on July 17, 2019, 18:47
Can u do a static IP address instead of using DHCP.



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I wish. Totally not available. Option All grey out.


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Title: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: badbad2000 on July 17, 2019, 18:48
Did you do the "Network reset" ?If your router is dual band (ie. 2.4gHz/5gHz) have you tried using the alternate band?
The AVS forum has some tips to troubleshoot

I tried the step but never reset and only show connecting on screen. I think the network module is dead.


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Title: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on July 17, 2019, 19:01
I wish. Totally not available. Option All grey out.


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That’s what I afraid that you’re going tell me that the options all greyed out. It’s highly unlikely that network card kaput just like that, considering it was working right from the start. Let me try to figure this out.

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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on July 17, 2019, 19:48
@badbad2000 - I assuming you also done this?  ::)

http://manuals.denon.com/AVRX8500H/NA/EN/DRDZSYwdotxfgr.php (http://manuals.denon.com/AVRX8500H/NA/EN/DRDZSYwdotxfgr.php)
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kaydee6 on July 17, 2019, 21:04
Factory reset it.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on July 17, 2019, 21:15
Factory reset it.
Did you read his posts bro ..
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kaydee6 on July 17, 2019, 21:19
Did you read his posts bro ..

My bad. Then this is a curious case. I would think hdmi board would give up the ghost before any boards, but you never know.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on July 18, 2019, 11:20
Good history lesson on the Denon's flagship receiver since 1996.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLx-pNY1os4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLx-pNY1os4)
If you follow it to the 1:07 mark, the Denon man actually suggests running his base layer speakers in full or large..
Then get the bass to LFE + mains..

Interesting..
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on July 18, 2019, 11:34
If you follow it to the 1:07 mark, the Denon man actually suggests running his base layer speakers in full or large..
Then get the bass to LFE + mains..

Interesting..

What's the reason and rationale behind that? Sorry I don't understand Cantonese.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kaydee6 on July 18, 2019, 11:48
It seems he will go full range if the speakers have the capability. You will also see that he turn off DEQ.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on July 18, 2019, 11:59
What's the reason and rationale behind that? Sorry I don't understand Cantonese.

A more full bodied sound and better immersion...
He also does his cal at 75 db and plays at 0....
Title: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on July 18, 2019, 12:01
A more full bodied sound and better immersion...
He also does his cal at 75 db and plays at 0....

Wow!!! Plays at reference?! If play at reference, then of course DEQ no need to engage.


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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kaydee6 on July 18, 2019, 12:03
He could be going deaf.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on July 18, 2019, 12:13
At 1.37, he also shares a simple method for phase correction...
Play the video whilst you are ironing or doing something... it's quite educational..
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on July 18, 2019, 12:14
He could be going deaf.

Nobody can play at Reference...even if his hearing not affected, I wouldn't want to be *his* neighbour...LoL.

Bro Pete, you sure he is not saying, calibrated at pink noise at 75db with Master Volume at '0'db and NOT literally playing at Reference level for actual content (be it music or movies)?! That is 2 different things altogether.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on July 18, 2019, 12:16
Watch the video during his demos... the volume OSD is shown..
Even the mike is shaking a bit...
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kaydee6 on July 18, 2019, 12:19
Good demo though. Shows that the 8500 is a workhorse.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on July 18, 2019, 12:25
Watch the video during his demos... the volume OSD is shown..
Even the mike is shaking a bit...

Wow...that's really something :)
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on July 18, 2019, 13:34
The video is pretty good, he goes through the various functions and features... very detailed..
I wish I was able to ask him some question.. I wonder if any local Denon rep can do the same..
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on July 18, 2019, 13:39
The video is pretty good, he goes through the various functions and features... very detailed..
I wish I was able to ask him some question.. I wonder if any local Denon rep can do the same..

In our dreams *maybe*...Anyone here knows any industry chaps (e.g. D&M technical product manager) au fait with D&M products here in Singapore? Pete, maybe you can ask your calibrator since she is also in the AV home stuff and might know someone here? Worth a shot?
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kaydee6 on July 18, 2019, 13:47
In our dreams *maybe*...Anyone here knows any industry chaps (e.g. D&M technical product manager) au fait with D&M products here in Singapore? Pete, maybe you can ask your calibrator since she is also in the AV home stuff and might know someone here? Worth a shot?

Yup, unlikely. Even official Denon Singapore website has been shut down for some time.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on July 18, 2019, 13:56
Yup, unlikely. Even official Denon Singapore website has been shut down for some time.

The saddest part being a AV consumer here in Singapore is the fact that we can only learn the hard way...by ourselves...trial and error, reading up articles, AVSForum, post queries to Support side and eagerly awaits an answer and the list goes on...what we have learned over the years might be even more than the Ang Mohs and other customers in other part of the world. Unfortunately, what we lack is the proactive sharing of information here...only a few of us actively share our findings on new toys.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: badbad2000 on July 18, 2019, 14:05
@badbad2000 - I assuming you also done this?  ::)

http://manuals.denon.com/AVRX8500H/NA/EN/DRDZSYwdotxfgr.php (http://manuals.denon.com/AVRX8500H/NA/EN/DRDZSYwdotxfgr.php)
This step not work as described at all


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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: badbad2000 on July 18, 2019, 14:05
Factory reset it.
Done, still the same problem.


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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on July 18, 2019, 14:16
This step not work as described at all


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Ok noted. Thanks for the update.



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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kaydee6 on July 23, 2019, 14:54
5. Under the App, select the frequency range to fit the various speaker crossover frequency range (refer to the speaker spec sheet)

@Desray, what is the rationale of correcting up to speaker crossover frequency and not to Schroeder?
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on July 23, 2019, 17:55
@Desray, what is the rationale of correcting up to speaker crossover frequency and not to Schroeder?

It just sounded better. There is no right or wrong imo.


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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kaydee6 on July 23, 2019, 18:02
It just sounded better. There is no right or wrong imo.


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Agree. Set to the what sound best to you is the right way to go.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on July 23, 2019, 18:11
Agree. Set to the what sound best to you is the right way to go.

It’s very speaker dependent imo.



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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kaydee6 on July 25, 2019, 11:51
Went back to limiting correction to 500hz and 2khz and still find full correction with MRC works better for my room. Back to default Audyssey cal.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on July 25, 2019, 12:01
Went back to limiting correction to 500hz and 2khz and still find full correction with MRC works better for my room. Back to default Audyssey cal.

I thought you advocate to disable MRC? As for correction...I'm experimenting with full correction for my LCR at the moment and it is indeed better. But for surrounds and Atmos speakers, still limiting to 2KHz...YMMV.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kaydee6 on July 25, 2019, 12:05
I thought you advocate to disable MRC? As for correction...I'm experimenting with full correction for my LCR at the moment and it is indeed better. But for surrounds and Atmos speakers, still limiting to 2KHz...YMMV.

Yes, have turned off MRC for a while and turning on MRC brings some gain. Specifically, playing louder without going too bright. This may be possibly due to my small room.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on July 25, 2019, 12:13
Yes, have turned off MRC for a while and turning on MRC brings some gain. Specifically, playing louder without going too bright. This may be possibly due to my small room.

Hmmm...I thought MRC on is the opposite of what you just described...the intentional "BBC dip" is because of the sound playing too bright and harsh around that 2KHz range iirc? I could be wrong on that though...Did you try Flat EQ curve instead of Reference EQ curve since you mentioned that you have a small room? This may help...
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kaydee6 on July 25, 2019, 12:23
Hmmm...I thought MRC on is the opposite of what you just described...the intentional "BBC dip" is because of the sound playing too bright and harsh around that 2KHz range iirc? I could be wrong on that though...Did you try Flat EQ curve instead of Reference EQ curve since you mentioned that you have a small room? This may help...


MRC tames the higher mid range and reduce some of its forwardness in the range of 1.5khz to 3khz.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on July 25, 2019, 12:31
MRC is tames the higher mid range and reduce some of it forwardness in the range of 1.5khz to 3khz.

Ok. I will experience myself when I visit your place next week. Cheers.


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Title: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on July 25, 2019, 16:23
Dialogue Enhancer vs Increasing the Centre Channel trim levels for Dialogue clarity...

An interesting discovery which I think worth sharing. The less known feature called, "Dialogue Enhancer" under the Options is something worth exploring. It can either make or break. For instance, if you want to anchor the dialogue with more clarity, you can play with Dialogue Enhancer. Cycle between Low and Medium for starters to see which one suits you better. With this feature, you can do away the need to increase the Center Channel trim level. HOWEVER, I also discovered that at Medium to High setting, it not only affects the dialogue in general but also have an impact to the overall frequency response on the Center as well as the Mains (L&R). If you already find your speakers to be on the "brighter" side, then this may not be what you are after...instead, increasing the Centre channel trim levels proved to be a more viable option here. I have played with BOTH settings with LPF for LFE set at 100Hz (for greater clarity in the low end for LFE reproduction) and crossover for my LCR set at 80Hz and Dialogue Enhancer set at either Low or Medium setting and simply increasing the Centre channel trim levels by +1db to 2db. I discovered that "for my setup", engaging Dialogue Enhancer to "Medium" can be a tad aggressive for the front sound stage especially when you played concert material which is usually authored at a different level. This can exacerbate the sound on a bright and harsh end...Instead increasing the trim levels seems to more "even" sounding at the front stage. YMMV.

In the past, I have advocated the use of Audyssey's Dynamic Volume to get clearer dialogue and this is no longer the case after playing for the past 2 weeks.

Something for member's to experiment over the weekend...
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kaydee6 on July 26, 2019, 06:48
Dialog Enhancer FR posted by SouthernCA in avsforum:

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190723/52455fa50ee3d9a9366b9dd4ed69a01d.jpg)
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on July 26, 2019, 10:09
Dialog Enhancer FR posted by SouthernCA in avsforum:

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190723/52455fa50ee3d9a9366b9dd4ed69a01d.jpg)

As always...thanks for supplementing the response graphs...now we can see where the drastic change is :P
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on July 26, 2019, 23:08
This post from AVS is very interesting:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-receivers-amps-processors/1574386-official-dolby-atmos-thread-home-theater-version-1842.html#post58343390

A few recommendations about crossover points and Audyssey, if I may:
1. Audyssey reads the point where the speaker starts to roll off sharply. This is usually lower than the speaker's -3dB anechoic spec just by virtue of it being in your room. If Audyssey is reading a sharp rolloff higher than that spec'd point, it's because of acoustic issues in the room. The only way to deal with that is by re-positioning, treatments, etc. to fix the issues. Audyssey = garbage in, garbage out.

2. Audyssey's software passes that rolloff data to the AVR to set system crossovers... but different manufacturers use different tolerances and headroom and may set things differently. Not every brand's software follows Audyssey's recommended guideline for this setting.

3. In-ceiling speakers may be rated to 50 or 60Hz, but may not be able to reach that extension once actually in the ceiling. If Audyssey is reading those channels at a much higher recommended crossover, you would usually want to address that with something like a backing box so that it has an enclosure to work with. Depending on your install, you can sometimes fix those issues with something as simple as the proper placement of a little insulation around the speaker. The area above your speakers can reinforce the low end... or cause your ceiling to act a phase-shifted passive radiator that creates a gap in the frequency response. But if Audyssey is detecting 150-250Hz rolloffs for 50Hz in-ceilings, that's a clear sign that you've got a little work to do above your room.

4. LPF of LFE should always stay at 120Hz if your goal is accurate reproduction. This only filters the LFE channel, which tends to be filtered during content creation anyway... but filtering it lower than 120Hz can reduce the level of harmonics that lend sounds in the LFE channel their perceived tone. Whether it will be a noticeable difference varies from person to person and room to room, but as a general rule, you shouldn't cascade the filtering done during content creation with additional filtering of that channel in your gear. The harmonics from the lower frequency sounds won't be significant enough in level to make your subwoofer easier to localize, but they do alter the way you perceive those sounds tonally.

5. Never set a post-Audyssey crossover LOWER than it was detected at. The range between that new crossover point and what Audyssey detected will essentially be unequalized, and worse, if you really do have an acoustic issue that is causing a suckout significant enough to trigger Audyssey's detection of the transition point, you are losing headroom trying to reproduce sound the speaker can't do efficiently in your room.

6. I've found that a good guideline for what you would WANT the crossover points to be is to take the speaker's lower -3dB spec and multiply it times 1.5 then pick the closest crossover point to this number offered in your AVR. This gives you a half-octave so you get a smooth gap-free transition from the point where the sub and speaker are reproducing those frequencies equally down to the in-room extension you get from the speaker. So if your speaker is good down to 40Hz before it rolls off, set it to 60Hz. If your speaker's good down to 25Hz, as tempting as it may be to set it to large, try it at 40Hz instead. Leave the heavy lifting to the subwoofer, where you likely have more amplification, and you will also get cleaner sound from those channels as a result. I see many say to set your crossover to the -3dB spec'd point, but a lot of times that can cause a loss of response during the crossover's transition because you're cascading the in-AVR filter with the speaker's natural rolloff slope.

7. I've also found that if your AVR provides a coarse display of Audyssey's measured in-room response for each channel, you can use this as a general check for what frequency you should be aiming for. So for instance, if I look at Audyssey's coarse graph and see that a speaker I expect to have a -3dB point of 50Hz is changing from below the 0 line to above it, I can tell at what frequency Audyssey is having to boost to bring it into line. And if that transition point is above the spec'd -3dB point, I know I have some in-room work to do to fix frequency issues. If that transition point shows on the graph at lower than the spec'd -3dB point (which is what you would ideally expect given room reinforcement), then I apply the 1.5x rule to the number on the graph where that transition occurs (i.e. where Audyssey goes from cutting frequencies to having to boost them). Again, the goal is to give a smooth transition from speaker to sub so that you aren't relying heavily on boosted equalization below the speaker's in-room capabilities. My half-octave rule tends to work nicely with the filter slopes typically used in system crossovers.

8. Specific to Atmos and whether you're hearing sounds placed well between the bed-level layer and the overheads: For the bed-level channels, you can easily verify cohesion of cross-channel pans using phase tests (i.e. test material that places sound 50% in one channel and 50% in another channel so you can hear if it images between those two channels). All things being equal, if your system distance/delay is properly detected and set, you should get good cross-channel transitions all the way around. HOWEVER, as the man says, a plan is just a list of things to go wrong. So here's what I recommend... After running Audyssey, setting your crossovers, and making sure DynamicEQ is off (because it plays hell with Atmos, as its development did not take into account the presence of overhead channels and how mixers might adjust that to give the intended results at lower volume levels than reference), play Dolby's LEAF demo on a loop. Listen specifically for the pans from bed level to above and across the room. If it seems like those transitions are going too suddenly from bed to overhead rather than making a smooth pan, try adjusting the distance/delay of ALL your overheads in small increments. More times than not, a relatively minor adjustment can snap that low-to-high imaging into place such that it works better across all of your seats. In other words, listen to the clip as-is... then set all of your overheads +0.1 foot and listen again... then repeat a few times... then go back to Audyssey's detected distance and try -0.1 foot increments. You will KNOW when you find the ideal setting... because you will hear that cohesive DOME of sound that we keep talking about here.

9. Another minor tweak for x.x.4 setups: Play the Helicopter demo on a loop and listen for cross-channel transitions between each overhead. If you hear the transition between each channel pair drop out or transition too quickly, try making small adjustments to that single channel to see if you can get a more cohesive pan between them. This is getting REAL nit-picky and may not matter to anyone outside of the MLP... but if you're in the MLP (and why wouldn't you be), you might as well strive for perfection there.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on July 26, 2019, 23:47
All the points mentioned about Audyssey are all valid. Thanks for sharing with members here.


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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: jeffong on July 27, 2019, 21:29
Finally threw in the towel and paid the deposit for the 8500 to replace the current 7200WA unit in the living room setup.  Will pick it up next week as I'm leveraging the current promo by trading in my Denon 2309.  Guess I have to set aside some time to read this whole thread from top to toe again.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on July 27, 2019, 21:46
Finally threw in the towel and paid the deposit for the 8500 to replace the current 7200WA unit in the living room setup.  Will pick it up next week as I'm leveraging the current promo by trading in my Denon 2309.  Guess I have to set aside some time to read this whole thread from top to toe again.
Welcome to the club bro..
There's a promo? That's good
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on July 27, 2019, 22:05
Finally threw in the towel and paid the deposit for the 8500 to replace the current 7200WA unit in the living room setup.  Will pick it up next week as I'm leveraging the current promo by trading in my Denon 2309.  Guess I have to set aside some time to read this whole thread from top to toe again.

Welcome to the club :)
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: jeffong on July 27, 2019, 22:16
Anyone here running a unified 15 speaker layout connecting to the 8500 that supports both ATMOS and Auro3D playback seamlessly?
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on July 27, 2019, 22:29
Anyone here running a unified 15 speaker layout connecting to the 8500 that supports both ATMOS and Auro3D playback seamlessly?

Do take note that although you have 15 speaker binding posts...only 13 will be active at any one point in time. I've not implemented full Auro 3D setup - just 7.2.4 (11.2 channels) at this point.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: jeffong on July 28, 2019, 10:11
Do take note that although you have 15 speaker binding posts...only 13 will be active at any one point in time. I've not implemented full Auro 3D setup - just 7.2.4 (11.2 channels) at this point.


I’m aware that only 13 channels can be processed at one time and have been analysing how my current 7.1.4 setup can expand to 7.1.6 or 9.1.4 with the addition of Centre Height & VOG to experience Auro3D.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on July 28, 2019, 10:15
Anyone here running a unified 15 speaker layout connecting to the 8500 that supports both ATMOS and Auro3D playback seamlessly?
I wanted to initially but in the end I left it at 11 channels as I found little benefit
However do try and keep the noise floor low. I’m getting a lot more detail
Maybe it’s the 8500, and I think the lower noise floor helps

Try Riddick the scene where creatures walk on the roof
It’s not Atmos but you wouldn’t know otherwise..
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on July 28, 2019, 10:16
I’m aware that only 13 channels can be processed at one time and have been analysing how my current 7.1.4 setup can expand to 7.1.6 or 9.1.4 with the addition of Centre Height & VOG to experience Auro3D.

Wow...going full Auro 3D setup with VOG. You'll be happy to learn that X8500H allows you to do that w/o the need to forsake one of the SW Preouts for the VOG to work :)

Do share your experience with us when you implement it :)
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on July 28, 2019, 10:17
I wanted to initially but in the end I left it at 11 channels as I found little benefit
However do try and keep the noise floor low. I’m getting a lot more detail
Maybe it’s the 8500, and I think the lower noise floor helps

Try Riddick the scene where creatures walk on the roof
It’s not Atmos but you wouldn’t know otherwise..

True...If you listening space is small...cramping too many speakers may not be such a good idea after all. But having say that, if the X8500H allows, go for it and try it out to take advantage of it...if not good, just revert to 7.1.4.

Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: jeffong on July 28, 2019, 10:45
Wow...going full Auro 3D setup with VOG. You'll be happy to learn that X8500H allows you to do that w/o the need to forsake one of the SW Preouts for the VOG to work :)

Do share your experience with us when you implement it :)


It’ll take a while to slowly implement the holy grail setup that I envision in my living room. A 135 inch display screen with either Laser UST or MicroLED and a speaker setup that allows me to enjoy all immersive audio formats during my retirement years. Just like the MCU, i’ve only at Phase 2 now 🤣.

Phase 1 involved getting the height speakers in place that allowed for pseudo 7.1.4 listening and getting a OLED to temporarily enjoy 4K.  Phase 2 involves putting in floor standers with a competent AVR that can connect everything without dealing with external amps. Phase 3 will be the endgame with a proper TV console and the 135 inch display. Hopefully by then displays of that size will not need me to sell a kidney. LOL!!!
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on July 28, 2019, 11:07
It’ll take a while to slowly implement the holy grail setup that I envision in my living room. A 135 inch display screen with either Laser UST or MicroLED and a speaker setup that allows me to enjoy all immersive audio formats during my retirement years. Just like the MCU, i’ve only at Phase 2 now 🤣.

Phase 1 involved getting the height speakers in place that allowed for pseudo 7.1.4 listening and getting a OLED to temporarily enjoy 4K.  Phase 2 involves putting in floor standers with a competent AVR that can connect everything without dealing with external amps. Phase 3 will be the endgame with a proper TV console and the 135 inch display. Hopefully by then displays of that size will not need me to sell a kidney. LOL!!!

This part is confirmed. So no worries on that...and if you are going UST route, you won't need to.


Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: badbad2000 on August 03, 2019, 00:21
Finally got my x8500 back.


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Title: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on August 03, 2019, 06:53
Finally got my x8500 back.


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Glad to know...what is the diagnostic for the network?


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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: badbad2000 on August 03, 2019, 09:49
Glad to know...what is the diagnostic for the network?


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Expected, only network module replaced


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Title: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on August 03, 2019, 10:14
Expected, only network module replaced


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Good to know that there is no other issue found. Interesting, this is about the “first time” (for me at least) I’ve seen a Denon AVR been sent in for network repair.



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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on August 03, 2019, 11:49
Good to know that there is no other issue found. Interesting, this is about the “first time” (for me at least) I’ve seen a Denon AVR been sent in for network repair.



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+1
The Japanese QC is usually quite good, but if you sell enough, you will hit something I guess.. even a Toyota can have issues.. glad it's sorted.
Too bad they only offer one year warranty, but that's how lousy our consumer rights are in SG..
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kaydee6 on August 04, 2019, 14:17
My 8500 is a workhorse. Reliable all the time.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on August 04, 2019, 15:31
My 8500 is a workhorse. Reliable all the time.

+1...Denon AVRs for the most part are sturdily built, especially those flagships made in Japan. Even entry level models also quite lasting in general.

Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: badbad2000 on August 04, 2019, 23:00
+1
The Japanese QC is usually quite good, but if you sell enough, you will hit something I guess.. even a Toyota can have issues.. glad it's sorted.
Too bad they only offer one year warranty, but that's how lousy our consumer rights are in SG..

Ya high end denon with pathetic warranty of 1 year


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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on August 05, 2019, 06:43
Same goes for JVC projectors as well. Sigh.


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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kaydee6 on August 05, 2019, 07:42
Epson is doing well in this aspect, 3yrs warranty. Denon can do better.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: badbad2000 on August 05, 2019, 15:25
Same goes for JVC projectors as well. Sigh.


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No, latest jvc is 2years now


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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on August 05, 2019, 20:32
No, latest jvc is 2 years now


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Are you very very sure about this?
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kaydee6 on August 06, 2019, 13:32
Looks like Denon wants 8500 to have DTS: X Pro too. Possibly through a firmware update.

https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/3D-Sound-Auch-Denon-will-DTS-X-Dekodierung-jenseits-11-1-Kanaele-unterstuetzen-4267398.html

Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: badbad2000 on August 06, 2019, 13:49
Are you very very sure about this?

http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=281187.msg1296384#msg1296384
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: JayKrishna on August 06, 2019, 14:12
Hi, BadBad2000,

Have to got the projector from ECON AV with 2Years JVC Singapore Warranty Card?

Please let me know,

Thanks

Jay
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: JayKrishna on August 06, 2019, 14:14
Last time I heard that all are under booking and some long delay for delivery, Has ECON AV started delivery?

thanks

Jay
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on August 06, 2019, 14:36
Bros
Let’s keep it focused on the Denon chatter la
Thanks 🙏
Title: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on August 06, 2019, 17:17
Bros
Let’s keep it focused on the Denon chatter la
Thanks

+1.

Let’s move this discussion on the JVC projector warranty period over to the official JVC N series thread instead.

Thanks.


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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on August 17, 2019, 19:44
Just came back visiting Bro Kaydee6's HT lair and I'm very impressed with what he did to his 5.1 setup. Very nice steroe imaging for music/vocals. You did a very good job in integrating the SVS PB4000 with the rest of the speakers. If you want to have a look at JVC N series projector, just drop me a PM. Looking forward to your new setup in your new home. :)
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kaydee6 on August 17, 2019, 20:14
Just came back visiting Bro Kaydee6's HT lair and I'm very impressed with what he did to his 5.1 setup. Very nice steroe imaging for music/vocals. You did a very good job in integrating the SVS PB4000 with the rest of the speakers. If you want to have a look at JVC N series projector, just drop me a PM. Looking forward to your new setup in your new home. :)

@desray, lovely kind words! Great sharing session with you and I appreciate your constructive feedback on the projection image. Will visit you next for further self poison!
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: Tiktokape on August 17, 2019, 20:18
Just came back visiting Bro Kaydee6's HT lair and I'm very impressed with what he did to his 5.1 setup. Very nice steroe imaging for music/vocals. You did a very good job in integrating the SVS PB4000 with the rest of the speakers. If you want to have a look at JVC N series projector, just drop me a PM. Looking forward to your new setup in your new home. :)
KD is using X8500 for 5.1?


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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on August 17, 2019, 20:19
KD is using X8500 for 5.1?


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Yeah...why?

:P
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: Tiktokape on August 17, 2019, 20:23
Yeah...why?

:P
you know why I ask...


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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kaydee6 on August 17, 2019, 20:24
you know why I ask...


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:)
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on August 17, 2019, 20:31
you know why I ask...


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Overkill?!


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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: Tiktokape on August 17, 2019, 22:07
Overkill?!


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Not really, from audiophile point of view. Get the best one can pay for. I believe he bought it to be in-line for new place too.


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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on August 17, 2019, 22:26
Not really, from audiophile point of view. Get the best one can pay for. I believe he bought it to be in-line for new place too.


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Yes...he will be doing 7.2.4 tentaively at his new place. So he can finally use at least 90% of what the X8500H is capable :)
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kaydee6 on August 17, 2019, 23:32
I am an audiophile since my secondary school days. Home theater specifically big screen projection came later in my working life. The last audio system I had was the Naim Supernait 2, NDX, NDAC, XPSDR + Harbeth SHL5. Due to a change in living arrangement and the fact that I am not a fan of having a separate audio and HT setup, I took a calculated risk and sold the entire audio system. The goal is to have ONE go to system for both music and movies. There will be compromises but I would like to experiment and find ways to reduce the compromises. Also, I believe room correction is the way to go which many audiophile companies are slow or even reluctant to adopt. I had a Denon X2000 AV amp then, and I am happy with Denon's reliability. So last year, I look for the best Denon out there and the 8500 was freshly made out of Denon's Japanese factory (I have a soft spot for well made Japanese products). Bought it for a 5.1 system until I move to my new place next year, where I plan to put more money into more speakers for a 7.2.4 system.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: badbad2000 on August 18, 2019, 01:21
I planned 7.1.6, end up 5.1.6 and after move the sofa position now is 5.1.2. Lol.


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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on August 18, 2019, 03:15
Sometimes less is best..
And then you spend more time watching your favorite shows
 :)
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: whitesox on August 18, 2019, 14:32
Sometimes less is best..
And then you spend more time watching your favorite shows
 :)

More speakers and more subwoofers...  ;D
your attention will be attracted to them rather than your movie.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on August 22, 2019, 23:15
New FW as of 21/8/2019
Performance and Spotify update..
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on August 22, 2019, 23:18
New FW as of 21/8/2019
Performance and Spotify update..

Thanks for the update...the Spotify update is probably to make it work with the "new" Spotify Free features for more playlist.



Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: Breadman on August 23, 2019, 14:13
I am an audiophile since my secondary school days. Home theater specifically big screen projection came later in my working life. The last audio system I had was the Naim Supernait 2, NDX, NDAC, XPSDR + Harbeth SHL5. Due to a change in living arrangement and the fact that I am not a fan of having a separate audio and HT setup, I took a calculated risk and sold the entire audio system. The goal is to have ONE go to system for both music and movies. There will be compromises but I would like to experiment and find ways to reduce the compromises. Also, I believe room correction is the way to go which many audiophile companies are slow or even reluctant to adopt. I had a Denon X2000 AV amp then, and I am happy with Denon's reliability. So last year, I look for the best Denon out there and the 8500 was freshly made out of Denon's Japanese factory (I have a soft spot for well made Japanese products). Bought it for a 5.1 system until I move to my new place next year, where I plan to put more money into more speakers for a 7.2.4 system.
Hi Kaydee6... Seems like i have the same situation as you. I couldnt have a separate system for both audio and HT, so I will also need to "integrate". Would like to pay you a visit to have a listen to your system, if possible.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kaydee6 on August 23, 2019, 14:42
Hi Kaydee6... Seems like i have the same situation as you. I couldnt have a separate system for both audio and HT, so I will also need to "integrate". Would like to pay you a visit to have a listen to your system, if possible.


Sure, you can pm me. I'm going to tear down the system by September for my move.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on August 23, 2019, 16:21
Sure, you can pm me. I'm going to tear down the system by September for my move.

Yep...better hurry before bro Kaydee6 dismantle everything.



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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on August 24, 2019, 07:27
Did the update in 24 min.. fuss free.
No issues with cross mixing after the update.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on August 24, 2019, 09:34
Did the update in 24 min.. fuss free.
No issues with cross mixing after the update.

Thanks Pete...this is probably the "first" that you proceed to update w/o waiting for other bros to try it out and see if there is any issue. A fresh change of perspective...keep it up!
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on August 24, 2019, 09:42
Thanks Pete...this is probably the "first" that you proceed to update w/o waiting for other bros to try it out and see if there is any issue. A fresh change of perspective...keep it up!

Nah
I don’t update for no real benefit
AVS has had it for a few days so the coast is clear. No sense updating a perfectly good amp and then regretting it
Spotify is something worth trying cheers
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on August 24, 2019, 09:43
Nah
I don’t update for no real benefit
AVS has had it for a few days so the coast is clear. No sense updating a perfectly good amp and then regretting it
Spotify is something worth trying cheers

I see...so it remain status quo :P  What's change for Spotify? Design UI or ???
Will do the update later this afternoon.


Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on September 10, 2019, 21:48
There is a new firmware update. Estimated time to install stated 5 mins. As usual, not much info on the changelog except that the update improves overall performance and stability.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kaydee6 on September 10, 2019, 21:56
There is a new firmware update. Estimated time to install stated 5 mins. As usual, not much info on the changelog except that the update improves overall performance and stability.

Thanks for the heads up!
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: comfortablynumb on September 12, 2019, 15:11
Just checked my x8500 and no  new updates for my set
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kaydee6 on September 12, 2019, 15:17
Just checked my x8500 and no  new updates for my set

If auto update is turned on, the update would have been completed without your intervention.
Not a major update:

■ 2019/08/21

[Version: 7400-9193-1131-0025]

(1) Playback with Spotify free account is now possible.

Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: comfortablynumb on September 12, 2019, 17:37
If auto update is turned on, the update would have been completed without your intervention.
Not a major update:

■ 2019/08/21

[Version: 7400-9193-1131-0025]

(1) Playback with Spotify free account is now possible.



I did not rurn on auto update
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: kaydee6 on September 19, 2019, 12:10
New forward thinking update:

■ 2019/09/18

[Version: 7400-9193-1102-0025]

(1) Added support for Amazon Music HD.
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on September 19, 2019, 12:20
Regular updates is one advantage of buying a set from the bigger manufacturers
They have the R&D to keep up
One big plus point ..
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: comfortablynumb on September 19, 2019, 13:04
Finally updated last nite when notified
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on September 19, 2019, 14:12
I also updated this new firmware yesterday night but did not post it as I couldn’t find any change log. Thanks for the info kaydee6


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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: 5th Avenue on October 16, 2019, 13:40
Is it worth getting 8500H now as newer model coming out?

Thanks in advance  ;D
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: Audio on October 16, 2019, 14:32
I am planning to get this once I setup the new room towards the end of this year.  If I know Denon well, they do not come up with new model once every year....not like Marantz.

(Audio)
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on October 16, 2019, 16:05
I am planning to get this once I setup the new room towards the end of this year.  If I know Denon well, they do not come up with new model once every year....not like Marantz.

(Audio)

Bro Audio, what are u using now? U a long time user of Audyssey?



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Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: 5th Avenue on October 16, 2019, 23:11
I am planning to get this once I setup the new room towards the end of this year.  If I know Denon well, they do not come up with new model once every year....not like Marantz.

(Audio)

Have not been using Denon brand before so not familiar with the company trend.  Thanks for the info
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: desray on October 17, 2019, 21:41
Another firmware update avail for X8500H...getting quite frequent these days.

Takes about 5 mins to update. Same kind of system improvement benefits.


 ;)
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: Audio on October 17, 2019, 23:56
Bro Audio, what are u using now? U a long time user of Audyssey?

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I am using Marantz 8802A now.   Build Quality, feel, reliability....lose to Denon, just feel like a cheap toy.  My previous set the Denon AVP-A1HDA lasted me more than 10 years and had been the flagship ....they didn't have another flagship AVP ever....plus they gave all owners a hardware upgrade early 2011-2012.  They called the upgraded model, AVP-A1HD-3D.

Yes, I am a Audyssey user.....Audyssey Pro came with the hardware upgrade.

I finally let go my Denon AVP , not because I need to let it go....I was running out of space in this HK apartment.  The unit was very solid and working 100%.....the buyer was a high end repair hi-fi repair center in China.  The runner told me that parts for the Denon AVP is very sought-after, many long-time users in China.  They would buy any unserviceable unit and were very happy that they acquired a 100% working unit from me.

(Audio)
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: petetherock on October 17, 2019, 23:57
Have not been using Denon brand before so not familiar with the company trend.  Thanks for the info
Models comes out each year, except for the flagship ones like the 8500, which tends to last at least a couple of years..
It's also the only one which has an upgrade to HDMI 2.1 (TBC). However the 2020 models are likely to see the HDMI 2.1 built in..
Title: Re: Denon AVC-X8500H reviews and setup
Post by: 5th Avenue on October 18, 2019, 13:30
Models comes out each year, except for the flagship ones like the 8500, which tends to last at least a couple of years..
It's also the only one which has an upgrade to HDMI 2.1 (TBC). However the 2020 models are likely to see the HDMI 2.1 built in..

Thanks Pete