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Title: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: petetherock on September 14, 2017, 09:00
Anyone getting this?
https://www.apple.com/apple-tv-4k/ (https://www.apple.com/apple-tv-4k/)


Free upgrades of your existing movies to 4k!
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision
Post by: petetherock on September 14, 2017, 09:00
http://www.youtube.com/v/HCI705DggnE&fs=1
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision
Post by: petetherock on September 14, 2017, 09:04
http://www.youtube.com/v/plIvOYuOO7w&fs=1
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision
Post by: psychobilly on September 15, 2017, 09:02
Very tempting but my Apple TV is way under utilised
Also, the TV app opened up to only 7 angmo countries to date
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision
Post by: kzone on September 15, 2017, 10:33
yeah me too. Mainly use it for Netflix and the occasional you tubes... no interesting apps ah
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision
Post by: m0j0_vin on September 15, 2017, 11:27
I plan to buy it as soon as it's available. I bought a number of movies for my kids and I use it to rent movies.
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision
Post by: wizardofoz on September 16, 2017, 14:34
Siri still is not usable for the ATV4 unit in Singapore...WTF
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision
Post by: Count on September 20, 2017, 23:33
Will get it once I get a 4K screen or projector. Upgrade of existing itunes movies to 4K is sweet!
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision
Post by: kardtoon on September 25, 2017, 21:55
yeah me too. Mainly use it for Netflix and the occasional you tubes... no interesting apps ah

Youtube will only playback at 1080p on this box. The codec Youtube uses for 4k isn't compatible with this apple TV.
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision
Post by: htng on September 26, 2017, 08:17
Is the price of movies in iTunes cheaper than amazon? If yes, I don’t mind since they release so fast
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision
Post by: psychobilly on September 29, 2017, 10:22
Seems that ATV4K has issues that people are complaining in some forums
Better wait 1st
Anyway no date for local availability
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision
Post by: queks on September 29, 2017, 12:17
Its available to order from apple. Delivery only, no self pickup
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision
Post by: Lam1n1n on September 29, 2017, 13:05
Looks like still not supporting Atmos and DTS-X.  Nvidia already has that.
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision
Post by: petetherock on October 05, 2017, 07:54
Seems that ATV4K has issues that people are complaining in some forums
Better wait 1st
Anyway no date for local availability
What issues bro?
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision
Post by: psychobilly on October 05, 2017, 11:01
What issues bro?

some discussions over in macrumors.......
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/so-who-is-returning-their-atv-over-the-switch-issue.2071619/
Title: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision
Post by: Ccyao on December 31, 2017, 08:28
Seems like Infuse Pro allows  streaming of 4k content from NAS. Not sure whether it supports HDR though. Anyone tried this?
Tempted to get one to play.

Infuse Pro 5 by Firecore, LLChttps://itunes.apple.com/sg/app/infuse-pro-5/id1136220915?mt=8

Unfortunately, still does not support Dolby Atmos and DTS-X.

Seems like 64gb model is out of stock in Singapore.

Btw, anyone knows whether Denon X7200WA can pass through DV signal if I have a DV tv?


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Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision
Post by: Doggie Howser on December 31, 2017, 10:38

Seems like 64gb model is out of stock in Singapore.

Australia too. Any reason to go for bigger unit? Does it store movies locally? So far only used it for streaming.


Btw, anyone knows whether Denon X7200WA can pass through DV signal if I have a DV tv?

Firmware to support DV is expected to be out Spring 2018 I think. Same as the 8802A
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision
Post by: Ccyao on December 31, 2017, 10:56
Australia too. Any reason to go for bigger unit? Does it store movies locally? So far only used it for streaming.
I will be using it mainly for streaming as well. But since the price difference is only SGD30, to me, it’s worth to get another 32gb. That’s less than $1/gb. I may download games on it. :)


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Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision
Post by: Doggie Howser on December 31, 2017, 11:05
I got it originally for the non 4K TV hence the 32GB was fine. Might get the 64GB when it gets back in stock for the Media room.
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision
Post by: petetherock on December 31, 2017, 13:48
IIRC, still no Dolby Atmos and DTS-X right?
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision
Post by: Ccyao on December 31, 2017, 13:49
Ya. Still no.


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Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision
Post by: comfortablynumb on January 12, 2018, 16:22
64GB seems to be oos everywhere
So ordered from Lazada and arrived at the door 3 days later
With the latest fw upgrade to 11.2, I have no complains
Now that Apple promised Atmos, I am patiently waiting
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision
Post by: Ccyao on January 12, 2018, 20:20
I got mine from Apple Store last week


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Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision
Post by: tsammyc on January 23, 2018, 20:09
Apple Store was out today. But the reseller iStudio next door in Paragon has plenty.
Title: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: tsammyc on January 23, 2018, 20:29
I just picked up the Apple TV 4K and have some questions with the cables. I have two Monoprice cables. One is the Slim High Speed Cable 18Gbps and the other is DynamicView Active High Speed Cable, 4K, HDR, 18Gbps. Only the DynamicView works on 4K 60Hz HDR at 4:2:2 Chroma. The slim cable, while certified for 18Gbps will only do 4K 60Hz HDR at 4:2:0. I originally bought the DynamicView for installing somewhere else in the house so is there any advantage to watching 4K movies at 4:2:2 instead of 4:2:0?

Lastly, the Apple TV 4K can also drive 4:4:4 Chroma on 4K 60Hz SDR. Am wondering if anyone has noticed the sharpness difference between 4:4:4 and 4:2:2 and whether it is worth the loss of HDR?

Getting the right HDMI cables for the Apple TV 4K at a reasonable price can be a challenge!
Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: tsammyc on January 23, 2018, 21:11
I decided to rename this to the Apple 4K TV thread because I'm finding other issues. I just tried the Amazon Prime Video app on the ATV4K on The Grand Tour in HDR and its definitely jerkier than the same picture on the Samsung app although it does seem a hair bit sharper. I thought it might be the HDMI cable so I reduced it from 4K 60Hz 4:2:2 to 4:2:0 that dramatically reduces the bandwidth and no difference, so I don't think its the HDMI cable. Since the Prime Video app only just appeared on ATVs, perhaps they need to work out some bugs. But for now, I'll stick to the Samsung TV app. A brief test of the Netflix app, I haven't noticed any problems with jerkiness, but need to watch more HDR content. The Grand Tour has some really fast paced sweeping panoramic views which should be one of the more difficult tests for the TV processors & software.
Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: tsammyc on January 23, 2018, 21:47
Just a quick update. I've been comparing Star Trek Discovery using the ATV4K app vs the Samsung app. As mentioned in another thread, Discover is probably encoded in 1080p HDR. The ATV4K is far superior in overall sharpness and color. Blacks on the Samsung app have speckles from time to time and there is a graininess on skin tones and moire like colors. The ATV4K Netflix app is much better. Blacks are smooth and skin tones, while not perfect, are far freer from unwanted colors. To be confirmed after I A/B some 4K HDR Netflix content, but I think the ATV4K is going to be the vehicle to watch Netflix and the Samsung Smarthub to watch Amazon Prime.

Also noticed that there are a fair number of 4K movies in the Apple TV catalog. The main draw for me was the previous movies I bought got upgraded to 4K automatically. There are also 99c 4K HDR rentals like Ghost In The Shell on this week. I'll probably watch it tomorrow to see how good is in 4K. Can't beat 99c.
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision
Post by: keai on January 23, 2018, 21:51
64GB seems to be oos everywhere
So ordered from Lazada and arrived at the door 3 days later
With the latest fw upgrade to 11.2, I have no complains
Now that Apple promised Atmos, I am patiently waiting

did Apple mention the timeline of Atmos support?
Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: Doggie Howser on January 23, 2018, 21:52
That’s weird. I thought Grand Tour was sharper on ADSL on my AppleTV than on my LG app.

But having said that - Apple offers no way of showing what the resolution of streaming is.
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision
Post by: jdc115 on January 23, 2018, 22:37
Are there any streaming services that support Atmos or can Atmos be done with something less then TrueHD (is DD+ with Atmos possible)?  I've not heard any streaming service suggest that this may be available in the future and Apple does not seem to be interested to have their device to be used with media outside of steaming/rental services
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision
Post by: CASH on January 23, 2018, 22:44
netflix does Atmos buddy...
i get Atmos showing up on my netflix at my place..
n my onkyo 3100 shows on front display as Atmos too.
"Punisher" shows it up in Atmos.
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision
Post by: CASH on January 23, 2018, 22:46
oops!! i use my Xbox One S..
not Apple TV..
sorry.... ;)
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision
Post by: jdc115 on January 23, 2018, 23:02
oops!! i use my Xbox One S..
not Apple TV..
sorry.... ;)

Cool, you are correct that Netflix does support Atmos on selected content through the 4k service on a limited number of devices (xBox, LG TC, but not AppleTV).  Apple was always slow to introduce features to the AppleTV unless they offered the service themselves. Many devises could do Netflix at 4K but Apple seemed to only introduce a 4K AppleTV when they decided to do 4K content through iTunes. My guess is they will only do Atmos on the AppleTV after they support Atmos in iTunes content.

I don't use Netflix in 4K since my projector is 1080P but hopefully, that will change by the end of 2018

Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision
Post by: petetherock on January 23, 2018, 23:03
Question:
64Gb - is it only to store the ones you rent, or do you download the movies you own or if you want to watch it, you can stream it, even if you bought it ?
What if you own more than the storage capacity?
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision
Post by: tsammyc on January 23, 2018, 23:25
As far as I know, on the ATV4, the 64GB is for apps and games. Not to store movies or TV. If you rent a movie, you have 48 hrs to watch after you start watching it and you stream regardless of whether you rent or buy.
Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: tsammyc on January 23, 2018, 23:29
DH, I mentioned that I thought it was sharper on the ATV4K app than on the Samsung app so we are in agreement. However, there was jitter in the sweeping panoramic scenes as the cars raced down the mountain. On the Samsung app, it is perfectly smooth.
Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: tsammyc on January 24, 2018, 09:56
Was just comparing Blacklist 4K from Netflix on Samsung vs ATV4K. The differences are smaller than on Star Trek Discovery, but the ATV4K has less noise overall than the Samsung app.

I also compared it to the 1080p version from the Apple Store, which I bought before it was released on Netflix. It's a very good 1080p stream, as with most Apple Store purchases, but the 4K version on either the Samsung app or ATV4K beats it hands down on contrast, sharpness & color.
Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: Doggie Howser on January 25, 2018, 23:15
I’ve been so happy with the AppleTV my wife is using on the Sony ZD9 that I ended up getting a second one - this time a 64GB version from JB Hifi.

I know there’s only games and apps that will use up the storage but the price delta is so small it doesn’t seem a big deal.

My Media room is linked only with a HomePlug AV2 to the main (ADSL) modem. So I wasn’t sure if I could handle 4K on Amazon Prime.

Turned out - it could! Waiting for next episode of Grand Tour. It’s a holiday too. Yippee so looking forward to watching it when it drops.
Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: tsammyc on January 26, 2018, 17:46
Hmmm... ATV4K has a Tidal app but lossless music doesn't sound good on a Samsung soundbar, but wait, it auto paired to my Airpods! Pretty slick device.
Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: Doggie Howser on January 27, 2018, 18:40
One thing I noticed is how sensitive the ATV is to cables.

On my old 1080p plasma the ATV worked fine with my old Gefen HDMI. But with the ZD9 at full HDR 4K I kept getting video drop outs.

So I swapped in a cable from my Oppo 205. Then it worked fine.

Now I’m noticing the same with my Sony 760ES with Netflix Punisher.
Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: htng on January 28, 2018, 13:54
How is this compared to Nvidia shield tv 4k?
Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: tsammyc on January 29, 2018, 17:50
New firmware update for ATV 4K dynamically changes the resolution to match the content rather than force everything into 4K HDR. I've turned it on and Amazon Prime Video in 4K seems to look better.
Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: Doggie Howser on January 29, 2018, 20:26
When was the new firmware update? I thought it was already there.

I did like the match frame rate
Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: tsammyc on January 29, 2018, 22:40
For some reason, it didn't update for me until yesterday. But I read that it was put in in December.
Title: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: Doggie Howser on January 30, 2018, 07:13
There’s supposed to be a new firmware update that works with the Dolby Vision update which puts more processing on the source rather than display.

The first to implement this is the Sony ZD9 firmware released in the US in January. Apparently AppleTV works now in Dolby Vision with the Sony.

Sadly the ZD9 firmware is not out yet in Australia
Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: kardtoon on January 31, 2018, 08:17
New firmware update for ATV 4K dynamically changes the resolution to match the content rather than force everything into 4K HDR. I've turned it on and Amazon Prime Video in 4K seems to look better.

I enabled this new feature on my Apple TV4k which is connected to my projector. Noticed that when I play a movie and the AppleTV is switching modes, screen goes black for a few seconds before it comes back again. Compared to no dynamic/frame rate matching which is instantaneous.

Do you see it too?
Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: tsammyc on February 03, 2018, 18:40
On my Samsung TV, its instantaneous even when set to dynamic/frame rate matching. Say, I play a SDR iTunes movie, then a 4K HDR iTunes movie. No resetting of mode on the TV. I think the screen doesn't blank unless you are changing resolutions. Perhaps your projector needs to blank when it changes to HDR or frame rate...
Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: Doggie Howser on February 04, 2018, 11:26
Yes it does seem to be a projector issue. Less so with TVs
Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: eggz on February 08, 2018, 23:55
Anyone using Infuse 5 pro with their Apple TV 4K? It lets ATV4K stream movies from NAS etc. and will eventually support Dolby Vision.
Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: Doggie Howser on February 12, 2018, 18:38
Altered Carbon on NetFlix 4K HDR. Just about doable on ADSL2+ when stars align.

Pretty damn impressive.
Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: eggz on February 13, 2018, 09:18
Altered Carbon on NetFlix 4K HDR. Just about doable on ADSL2+ when stars align.

Pretty damn impressive.

Is it in Dolby Vision?
Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: Doggie Howser on February 13, 2018, 12:11
Yes I believe it is - but I am watching it on a Sony ZD9 and 760ES which isn't DV
Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: Audiolab on February 13, 2018, 20:35
ZD9 will be getting DV update soon right?
Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: Doggie Howser on February 13, 2018, 21:00
ZD9 will be getting DV update soon right?

Yes. But.

It is a new DV implementation with heavier processing done on source end rather than display end. That new firmware is already out in US and Europe. But not Australia. It currently enables DV on the built in app - like the NetFlix one.

But UHD and streaming players will need new firmware to support it over HDMI.

AppleTV 4K apparently has a beta firmware that works with the ZD9 DV implementation

Still waiting for Aus to get the new firmware.
Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: Audiolab on February 13, 2018, 21:12
Not familiar with DV, what do you mean processing done on source rather than display? Is that unique to Sony or is LG doing the Same?

Yes. But.

It is a new DV implementation with heavier processing done on source end rather than display end. That new firmware is already out in US and Europe. But not Australia. It currently enables DV on the built in app - like the NetFlix one.

But UHD and streaming players will need new firmware to support it over HDMI.

AppleTV 4K apparently has a beta firmware that works with the ZD9 DV implementation

Still waiting for Aus to get the new firmware.
Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: Doggie Howser on February 14, 2018, 07:05
I believe the reason is that DV used to be a hardware implementation on the display and source.

But they have now made DV a software implementation too.

Sony’s version of DV is the latest form.

This requires the source to decode part of the DV stream ahead of the display. The previous method sends the full DV stream to the display which decodes it fully.

I guess if you are familiar with MQA it sounds similar - there is a first level unfold and a second stage deblurring filter. You can now get the player/source to unfold the first level.
Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: Audiolab on February 14, 2018, 08:23
Thanks for the info. Not familiar with MQA also. However your explanation is very clear!

I wonder how this 2 step decoding will be in terms of picture performance vs the older 1 step decoding.........

I believe the reason is that DV used to be a hardware implementation on the display and source.

But they have now made DV a software implementation too.

Sony’s version of DV is the latest form.

This requires the source to decode part of the DV stream ahead of the display. The previous method sends the full DV stream to the display which decodes it fully.

I guess if you are familiar with MQA it sounds similar - there is a first level unfold and a second stage deblurring filter. You can now get the player/source to unfold the first level.
Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: Doggie Howser on February 14, 2018, 15:01
According to Dolby the end result is the same..

who knows?
Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: Doggie Howser on March 04, 2018, 19:29
I have to say the AppleTV 4K looks simply stunning with everything.

NetFlix with HDR

GrandTour on Amazon Prime with HDR.

Even on older shows like House of Cards. OMG. Devoured 3 seasons in a week.

The first season wasn’t true 4K but upsampled still looks great.
Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: desray on March 04, 2018, 20:31
Personally I think streaming will EVENTUALLY be the way to go...now that HEVC codecs able to pack a 4K stream in a more efficient package for streaming and HDR 10 and DV (another one HDR10+ with Samsung leading the way and a few supporters to bolster) along with Dolby Atmos appearing in popular streaming networks like Netflix, Hulu, Amazon etc...physical disc will be a thing of the past in say a few years time. I am withholding purchase of 4K UHD discs since last year as most of the latest titles will eventually land up in Netflix.
Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: Knight_Rider on March 06, 2018, 09:25
Since my first HTPC I never buy disc anymore. (after buying Star Wars Trilogy LD  and then DVD boxsets came out ......... )
Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: Doggie Howser on March 06, 2018, 14:36
It is easier for me - Netflix only has FullHD streams of most movies - not 4K.

Not sure about iTunes 4K - haven't bought yet.
Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: tsammyc on March 09, 2018, 17:52
I don't have a UHD player, but previously bought  iTunes 4K movies. Those that were available in 4K were upgraded to 4K for free! That's one reason to buy streamed movies. Free upgrade to 4K. New movies are USD19.99
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision
Post by: petetherock on April 28, 2018, 05:03
Any current promotions on this device?
Anyone having issues with DV on Sony TVs?
Thanks
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision
Post by: Doggie Howser on April 28, 2018, 06:58
No issues with the Sony TV with or without DV.

Some issues with the Sony 760ES projector with DV material converted to HDR. But I’m running it through the 203 for Tone Mapping which fixes this.
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision
Post by: petetherock on April 28, 2018, 07:36
Thanks bro 🙏
Good to hear that there aren't any blinking issues in oz ..
I wish they will do lossless or atmos but that might be wishful..
I have a 500 fibre.. I assume that's enough?
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision
Post by: Doggie Howser on April 28, 2018, 13:18
I am getting 4K UHD and DV with an 11Mbps ADSL2+

Not sure - but I think the ATV buffers a lot better than the TV's native apps
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision
Post by: petetherock on May 23, 2018, 12:54
Can I check if Atmos sound has come to the ATV?
I know it's lossy, but it will be a nice touch... makes rentals on it a bit better..
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision
Post by: desray on May 23, 2018, 14:44
Can I check if Atmos sound has come to the ATV?
I know it's lossy, but it will be a nice touch... makes rentals on it a bit better..
I don't (DD+) Atmos mix avail in ATV yet... But I don't see there is an issue with hardware not able to support... Its up to Apple whether to release it or not.

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Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision
Post by: petetherock on May 26, 2018, 21:21
Bit the bullet and bought one :)
Will try it out, and also look around and see if the blinking issue is still affecting the Sony Z9D and the ATVs...
Interesting interface, and if you are into the Mac environment, it will be superbly easy to use..
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision
Post by: Pismo Mac on May 27, 2018, 13:04
Can I check if Atmos sound has come to the ATV?
I know it's lossy, but it will be a nice touch... makes rentals on it a bit better..

ATV does not support Atmos or DTS-X at this time.

However, if you have MKV files with lossless audio (TrueHD or DTS-HD MA), you can stream it through ATV using Infuse 5 Pro, a paid app. Infuse Pro will do a passthrough to your AVR and the audio output will be LPCM, provided you set Infuse Pro settings to do so.

More info on Infuse 5 at https://firecore.com




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Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision
Post by: desray on May 27, 2018, 17:52
Bit the bullet and bought one :)
Will try it out, and also look around and see if the blinking issue is still affecting the Sony Z9D and the ATVs...
Interesting interface, and if you are into the Mac environment, it will be superbly easy to use..

Bro, just curious, why did you want to get the Apple TV over other streaming devices? Is it because of convenience or ???
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision
Post by: petetherock on May 27, 2018, 18:03
Bro, just curious, why did you want to get the Apple TV over other streaming devices? Is it because of convenience or ???

I tried the Roku before when I had a free Netflix trial.. didn't think there was enough content to justify continuing the subscription.. the ATV fits into my idiot proof Mackintosh environment..
I have quite a collection of movies on iTunes too.
Will await atmos and the blink free FW update and try out DV on my Sony cheers.
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision
Post by: desray on May 27, 2018, 18:13
I tried the Roku before when I had a free Netflix trial.. didn't think there was enough content to justify continuing the subscription.. the ATV fits into my idiot proof Mackintosh environment..
I have quite a collection of movies on iTunes too.
Will await atmos and the blink free FW update and try out DV on my Sony cheers.

Ok, if that is the case (i.e. Apple and iOS ecosystem like iTunes movies), then you have made the right choice because it is the most ideal...but not otherwise.
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision
Post by: petetherock on May 27, 2018, 18:23
Ok, if that is the case (i.e. Apple and iOS ecosystem like iTunes movies), then you have made the right choice because it is the most ideal...but not otherwise.
I don't have a hard disk full of movies, my 1000 or so movies are mainly on discs. And I have an android tv. What was your suggestion?
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision
Post by: desray on May 27, 2018, 19:02
No solution at this point if u wanted a truly softcopy 1:1 replica of your physical bluray discs. Even though software wise, there is a way to do a exact copy of the original, I will not ask you to do that...
I don't have a hard disk full of movies, my 1000 or so movies are mainly on discs. And I have an android tv. What was your suggestion?

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Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision
Post by: petetherock on May 27, 2018, 20:17
No solution at this point if u wanted a truly softcopy 1:1 replica of your physical bluray discs. Even though software wise, there is a way to do a exact copy of the original, I will not ask you to do that...
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Actually bro, if it's not illegal, maybe you can share a new thread on how to archive your discs electronically. I know we are streaming so many things already, so perhaps, it's time to help members do so?
I am a PC blur king, so I think you are the guru in this matter :)
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision
Post by: petetherock on May 27, 2018, 21:37
Here's an observation I made:
If you have a "Fox" movie with a digital copy available, it will allow you to download the movie onto your iTunes if you have a USA account. Some of the others like WB or Lionsgate do not.
And if there's a 4k version on Apple TV, it will automatically play it! Cool..
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision
Post by: petetherock on May 29, 2018, 00:30
Wow... plucked up enough courage to upgrade the firmware on my Z9D, and experience DV on the ATV.. the picture quality is something else..
Amazing and so far so good, no blinking / blanking issues..
Looking forward to enjoying a whole bunch of my movies on DV...
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision
Post by: petetherock on May 30, 2018, 22:29
4k titles on ATV:
http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=296551&page=4
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision + Atmos
Post by: petetherock on June 05, 2018, 07:14
https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/apple-tv-4k-adds-dolby-atmos-and-more/
Atmos comes to ATV! Woohoo !
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision + Atmos
Post by: rayleh on June 05, 2018, 07:28
Fantastic news!
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision + Atmos
Post by: etnt on June 05, 2018, 07:37
now I really want to extend the extend the current setup to atmos. time to read up on that atmos thread.
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision + Atmos
Post by: comfortablynumb on June 13, 2018, 21:41
Yes!!! Finally
Now hope Xbox 1x will have DV
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision + Atmos
Post by: desray on June 16, 2018, 21:44
Yes!!! Finally
Now hope Xbox 1x will have DV

Provided it is implemented properly and "correctly".
Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: petetherock on August 15, 2018, 11:27
I don't have a UHD player, but previously bought  iTunes 4K movies. Those that were available in 4K were upgraded to 4K for free! That's one reason to buy streamed movies. Free upgrade to 4K. New movies are USD19.99
Atmos is coming soon to ATV :)
https://9to5mac.com/2018/08/10/tvos-12-beta-dolby-atmos-itunes-movies/
Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: rayleh on August 15, 2018, 12:43
I have been waiting patiently for the firmware update to include ATMOS.
Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: sigurros on August 15, 2018, 14:01
I have been waiting patiently for the firmware update to include ATMOS.

You can by joining the Apple beta program
Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: rayleh on August 15, 2018, 14:19
Great, did not know about this. Will Google and try out.
Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: rayleh on August 15, 2018, 19:26
Managed to try the beta and iTunes movies with Atmos are playing correctly and hope that Netflix movies with Atmos will be supported too.
Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: petetherock on August 23, 2018, 19:17
Here's a list of iTunes movies with Atmos:
https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1505495519
Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: rayleh on August 23, 2018, 23:00
Not sure if this list only applies to US as I am sure Deadpool is not in ATMOS.
Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: francis wu on August 23, 2018, 23:09
Both 1 and 2 are in Atmos as well :)
Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: petetherock on August 23, 2018, 23:14
Not sure if this list only applies to US as I am sure Deadpool is not in ATMOS.
If you are shopping in iTunes SG, you will find many movies in HD instead of 4k and the soundtrack is also different. In any case, I think Deadpool is Atmos but in US..
Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: petetherock on August 29, 2018, 12:15
Managed to try the beta and iTunes movies with Atmos are playing correctly and hope that Netflix movies with Atmos will be supported too.
There's a new beta today.. hopefully the actual os12 is released soon..
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision + Atmos
Post by: petetherock on August 30, 2018, 09:21
now I really want to extend the extend the current setup to atmos. time to read up on that atmos thread.
Won't be long it seems.. they are up to beta 10 now..
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision + Atmos
Post by: petetherock on September 18, 2018, 22:16
Fantastic news!
It's here..
https://9to5mac.com/2018/09/17/tvos-12-features/ :)
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision + Atmos
Post by: rayleh on September 18, 2018, 22:42
Yes posted on the other thread. Was available since yesterday, remember to update the apps on the ATV too.
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision + Atmos
Post by: bluepill193 on September 18, 2018, 22:51
The atmos is real lossless audio?
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision + Atmos
Post by: petetherock on September 18, 2018, 22:59
The atmos is real lossless audio?
Nope
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision + Atmos
Post by: petetherock on September 22, 2018, 22:32
Sadly I can't get Atmos via ARC from the Sony Z9D..
You have to plug it into the AVR to get it.
There's no indication of the input signal, but you will get all 11 channels working.
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision + Atmos
Post by: Doggie Howser on September 23, 2018, 17:57
That’s a feature of eARC isn’t it?
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision + Atmos
Post by: petetherock on September 23, 2018, 19:52
That’s a feature of eARC isn’t it?
It seems so... I was hoping it might work, but no joy.
Anyhow, with the Atmos update, the ATV is pretty decent and the number of titles with Atmos is growing exponentially.
However one must check carefully..  some SG iTunes titles are bereft of the Atmos soundtrack. Eg "Gravity" bought locally doesn't have it, whereas the US site has it.
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision + Atmos
Post by: rayleh on September 23, 2018, 20:29
Not sure it takes time for local purchases to update. Previously no Atmos for Deadpool but recently it is supported.
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision + Atmos
Post by: petetherock on September 25, 2018, 03:55
FW update
https://www.macrumors.com/2018/09/24/apple-releases-tvos-12-0-1-update/
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision + Atmos
Post by: petetherock on October 10, 2018, 22:58
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/39-networking-media-servers-content-streaming/1278071-apple-tv-owners-thread-625.html#post56932668

34 screensavers currently available for download to the Apple TV 4K...

Southern California to Baja

1. Over the Pacific Ocean heading toward the United states

Greenland

1. Travelling along the Nuussuaq Peninsula in Greenland

2. The Ilulissat Icefjord off the coast of Greenland

Korean and Japan Night

1. Moving southeast over Siberia and Mongolia

Los Angeles

1. Flying over Los Angeles International Airport

2. Griffith Observatory and the Hollywood Hills in Los Angeles

3. Over Santa Monica Beach near Los Angels

4. The Hollywood Sign in Los Angeles

5. Following the Interstate 110 north through downtown Los Angeles

6. Passing Downtown Los Angeles

China

1. Travelling through Wulingyuan National Park in China

2. Passing over the Longji rice terraces in Guangxi Province, China

3. Over central Asia travelling toward Coastal China

4. Exploring Wulingyuan National Park in China

Hong Kong

1. Over Victoria Harbour travelling toward Central Hong Kong

2. Flying over Victoria Park in Hong Hong

3. Over Wan Chin approaching Central Hong Kong

4. Over Victoria Harbour heading toward Central Hong Kong

5. Over Victoria Harbour facing Hong Kong Island

Caribbean

1. Travelling over the Pacific Ocean toward Central America

New Zealand

1. Crossing from night to day over the South Pacific Ocean

Ireland to Asia

1. Over the North Atlantic approaching the British Isles

Africa and the Middle East

1. Over the Horn of Africa traveling toward the Gulf of Aden

Dubai

1. Travelling along Sheikh Zayed Road in Dubai, United Arab Emirates

2. Flying over Dubai Marina n the United Arab Republic

3. Approaching Burj Khalifa in Downtown Dubai, United Arab Emirates

4. Approaching Downtown Dubai in the United Arab Republic

5. Flying along Dubai Marina in the United Arab Republic

Sahara and Italy

1. Over Western Africa moving toward the Sahara

California to Vegas

1. Over the Pacific Ocean moving toward the California Coast

West Africa to the Alps

1. The Canary Islands, Atlantic Ocean, and coast of Africa

Caribbean Day

1. Heading southeast over the Great Plains of the United States

Iran and Afghanistan

1. The reflection of the sun along the coast of Iran

Africa Night

1. Travelling northeast over the Sahara at night
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision + Atmos
Post by: petetherock on October 11, 2018, 18:00
This is interesting..
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/10/apple-plans-to-give-away-original-content-for-free-to-device-owners.html
Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: InnocentBlood on October 17, 2018, 14:10
hi guys, for those of you currently using the Apple TV and also have a Mac at home, would you help me do a simple test using the AirPlay Display option please? I'd like to know when you are playing a video on your Mac and if you use the AirPlay Display option which would mirror your Mac to your Apple TV - which is in turn connected to your TV/ Projector - is there any lag in the display? also are you able to get audio output from your USB-C connection in this scenario?

I intend to go down to Apple Shop Orchard to test out the above scenario but I thought I'd check-in first with the seasoned Apple TV users here.

Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: Doggie Howser on October 17, 2018, 15:20
USB C from AppleTV?
Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: rayleh on October 17, 2018, 17:14
There is no USB input on an ATV.
Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: InnocentBlood on October 17, 2018, 18:08
I should’ve been clearer in my original post - the USB-C would be on your Mac of course, not Apple TV 😊 are you guys able to test for me please?
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision + Atmos
Post by: desray on October 27, 2018, 10:19
I have recently jumped on to the Apple TV 4K streaming. I am rather impressed with the PQ of the 4K UHD titles from iTunes movies. While I am tempted to purchase it in its digital form, I have also read about Apple deleting iTunes movies which were purchased by users w/o notifying the users citing the reason that Apple is but a store front selling a service on behalf of movie studios that support Apple iTunes movies but beyond their control when the movie studios decide to pull out the digital copy of that movie you already purchased from the region your purchased. While it does make sense that Apple has no control over movie studios decision. It is disconcerting to learn that if you purchase something, it is not yours to own...(no pun intended for the recent HDB and the lease period on our little sunny Island).

Probably it will not have an impact on more newer titles but for older titles which can be a keeper probably not advisable to purchase imo...I will like to hear your views regarding this...


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Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision + Atmos
Post by: Doggie Howser on October 27, 2018, 10:38
"purchasing" digital form - is it buying from iTunes Store or using a digital copy from your BD/DVD/UHD disc?

Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision + Atmos
Post by: rayleh on October 27, 2018, 15:45
I have purchased a couple of movies and I have not encounter any incident that they are being removed.
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision + Atmos
Post by: kaydee6 on October 27, 2018, 16:24
I have recently jumped on to the Apple TV 4K streaming. I am rather impressed with the PQ of the 4K UHD titles from iTunes movies. While I am tempted to purchase it in its digital form, I have also read about Apple deleting iTunes movies which were purchased by users w/o notifying the users citing the reason that Apple is but a store front selling a service on behalf of movie studios that support Apple iTunes movies but beyond their control when the movie studios decide to pull out the digital copy of that movie you already purchased from the region your purchased. While it does make sense that Apple has no control over movie studios decision. It is disconcerting to learn that if you purchase something, it is not yours to own...(no pun intended for the recent HDB and the lease period on our little sunny Island).

Probably it will not have an impact on more newer titles but for older titles which can be a keeper probably not advisable to purchase imo...I will like to hear your views regarding this...


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I thought it’s a regional account problem?
https://9to5mac.com/2018/09/16/itunes-delete-movies/
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision + Atmos
Post by: desray on October 27, 2018, 16:26
I thought it’s a regional account problem?
https://9to5mac.com/2018/09/16/itunes-delete-movies/

Yep. Read that and many other related articles as well.

Thks for sharing.


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Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision + Atmos
Post by: desray on October 27, 2018, 16:29
I have purchased a couple of movies and I have not encounter any incident that they are being removed.

I’m not saying it’s been removed by Apple but just pointing out the one incident as claimed by some users regarding his purchases of the digital copy but found out later was removed from his iTunes movie library.


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Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision + Atmos
Post by: desray on October 27, 2018, 16:30
"purchasing" digital form - is it buying from iTunes Store or using a digital copy from your BD/DVD/UHD disc?

Referring to the direct purchase from Apple iTunes movie library. 


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Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision + Atmos
Post by: desray on October 27, 2018, 17:10
Are there any aggregator apart from this website which I came across that list all the 4K movies in the Apple iTunes Movie Library?

https://hd-report.com/list-of-4k-hdr-movies-on-apple-tv/

 ???
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision + Atmos
Post by: desray on October 27, 2018, 17:17
I guess at this point...only Disney blockbusters 4K titles will not make it to Apple's iTune Movie Library. Perhaps Disney is going to have their very own 4K streaming service of their own.

We all know how Pixar and Steve Jobs are "closely-knitted"...so naturally one would assume, Disney and Apple's partnership will be closely bonded. Here's some speculations over Apple coming with its very own streaming service...

https://www.macworld.co.uk/news/apple/apple-streaming-service-3610603/
 
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision + Atmos
Post by: desray on October 27, 2018, 20:22
I'm very surprised even after almost one full year...Apple still refused to allow VP9 decoding for playback of Youtube 4K clips...I don't get it...VP9 codec is a royalty free codec which does not require Apple to pay licensing for...Why Apple still wanna stick to the HEVC H.265 codec decoding is really a head-scratcher to me!!!
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision + Atmos
Post by: petetherock on October 27, 2018, 20:52
I have recently jumped on to the Apple TV 4K streaming. I am rather impressed with the PQ of the 4K UHD titles from iTunes movies. While I am tempted to purchase it in its digital form, I have also read about Apple deleting iTunes movies which were purchased by users w/o notifying the users citing the reason that Apple is but a store front selling a service on behalf of movie studios that support Apple iTunes movies but beyond their control when the movie studios decide to pull out the digital copy of that movie you already purchased from the region your purchased. While it does make sense that Apple has no control over movie studios decision. It is disconcerting to learn that if you purchase something, it is not yours to own...(no pun intended for the recent HDB and the lease period on our little sunny Island).

Probably it will not have an impact on more newer titles but for older titles which can be a keeper probably not advisable to purchase imo...I will like to hear your views regarding this...


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Welcome to the club bro
Do note that when you buy from different regions, bear in mind that the format (Atmos or plain 5.1) as well as whether it's 4k will differ. Eg when I bought "Gravity" from the SG itunes store, it's not Atmos.
The best sound formats come from the US iTunes store, but you can't use a local Credit Card.
Title: Re: 4k Apple TV - HDR and Dolby Vision + Atmos
Post by: desray on October 27, 2018, 21:03
Welcome to the club bro
Do note that when you buy from different regions, bear in mind that the format (Atmos or plain 5.1) as well as whether it's 4k will differ. Eg when I bought "Gravity" from the SG itunes store, it's not Atmos.
The best sound formats come from the US iTunes store, but you can't use a local Credit Card.

(http://xtremeplace.ddns.net/images/misc/gravity_itunes.jpg)

Yes you are right...
Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: petetherock on November 11, 2018, 23:31
(http://xtremeplace.ddns.net/images/misc/gravity_itunes.jpg)

Yes you are right...
BTW Bladerunner 2049 is one sale at iTunes SG - $4.99. Good deal.
Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: petetherock on November 11, 2018, 23:32
Just noticed: there's an update today
Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: desray on November 12, 2018, 05:58
BTW Bladerunner 2049 is one sale at iTunes SG - $4.99. Good deal.

Not a blade runner fan.



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Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: desray on November 12, 2018, 05:59
Just noticed: there's an update today

Are u on beta or official firmware? Mine is the former at TVOS 12.1.1. 



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Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: petetherock on November 29, 2018, 10:36
Are u on beta or official firmware? Mine is the former at TVOS 12.1.1. 



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Updated :)

BTW as a HT connoisseur, do you feel there's a difference between lossy Atmos on a Apple TV vs lossless tracks from a BR disc?
Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: rayleh on November 29, 2018, 13:30
I feel BR sounds better imo
Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: petetherock on December 21, 2018, 21:00
FYI
Some Criterion titles are now on sale on iTunes USA.
Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: petetherock on December 21, 2018, 22:44
Interesting finding:
http://www.youtube.com/v/WbKCZpQN72c&fs=1
Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: Audiolab on January 08, 2019, 10:30
Anyone downloaded any apps in Apple TV 4K which can stream local radio channels?

Found one app call Receiver Radio but not sure if it has local radio stations.
Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: petetherock on January 08, 2019, 12:15
Toggle
Or look for singapore radio I think there’s an app
Title: Re: Apple 4K TV Thread
Post by: Audiolab on January 08, 2019, 13:12
Thanks for the info.

Not a big mediacorp fan. Was looking for radio stations from SPH like Kiss 92 or UFM1003. I know Tunein has but Tunein does not have app for Apple TV.

Toggle
Or look for singapore radio I think there’s an app