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Title: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: malsound on June 01, 2015, 22:52
http://www.youtube.com/v/tPX4s--IuxE&fs=1http://www.youtube.com/v/cNL6u29B1V4&fs=1

http://www.stereophile.com/content/herb-reicherts-day-two-show

Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: tane0019 on June 01, 2015, 23:12
The sub is super man.
Built-in auto EQ app + auto calibrate the iPad !!!
See the 2nd clip @ around 6mins onward.


Below is the clip for the sub only.
http://www.youtube.com/v/QvFVmjioDac&fs=1
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: ianlee on June 05, 2015, 07:46
http://www.youtube.com/v/tPX4s--IuxE&fs=1http://www.youtube.com/v/cNL6u29B1V4&fs=1

http://www.stereophile.com/content/herb-reicherts-day-two-show

Yes after the Pioneers... now he's with Elac to help create a range of high-performing yet affordable speakers for Elac company  :D
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: malsound on June 05, 2015, 08:47
Yes after the Pioneers... now he's with Elac to help create a range of high-performing yet affordable speakers for Elac company  :D

Can't blame him since Pioneer is moving away from AV, it will be interesting to see a showdown between Elac Debut B5 and the Pioneer SP-BS22-LR. Akan datang, will it be elac or இல்லை illai ;)
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: malsound on June 05, 2015, 08:49
http://www.audioholics.com/surround-sound-reviews/elac-debut-loudspeaker-line-preview

Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: malsound on June 05, 2015, 08:52
http://www.youtube.com/v/QK5fKs1-Abg&fs=1
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: malsound on August 21, 2015, 20:30
http://www.youtube.com/v/_j0vbUFHvNQ&fs=1
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: malsound on October 17, 2015, 11:15
Fwd to 5:50 min

http://www.youtube.com/v/Hv540Tx7Nq0&fs=1
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: whyeme on October 17, 2015, 18:43
Cnet's review of B6

Quote
It was immediately clear the Debut B6 sounded like a much bigger speaker when we played Kraftwerk's 2003 "Tour de France" album. The synths' deep bass pulses reached way down low, yet bass definition remained absolutely rock solid. Impressed, we cranked the volume higher and higher, but detected no strain or increased distortion. Even much larger entry-level tower speakers such as the Polk T50 can't match the Debut B6's low-end authority.

The sheer immediacy of the sound is the next thing we noted: the Debut B6 is bright and clear, a huge advance over the Pioneer SP-BS22-LR bookshelf speakers, which sounded softer and cloudier (see CNET's review of the Pioneer 5.1 system for comparison). The SP-BS22-LR also miniaturized the sound: there was less "there" there.

Wilco's tune "Jesus, Etc" in 96 kHz/24-bit high-resolution audio was positively vivid. Jeff Tweedy's vocal was precisely centered between the two Debut B6 speakers, and the tonality of the guitars and violins was rendered accurately with a nice sense of depth to the stereo soundstage. At this point we switched over to the Bowers & Wilkins 685 S2 bookshelf speakers, which are about the same size as the Debut B6s. The 685 S2 sounded softer, and less clear overall. However, we detected a tiny bit of coarseness or sibilance on Tweedy's vocals on the Debut B6, while that aspect was tamed on the B&W speakers.

Returning to Kraftwerk's "Tour de France," the 685 S2 speakers' bass wasn't as nimble, tight or well controlled as the Debut B6's low end. That speaker's bass superiority was even more evident with the stepped synth bass notes that tumble down on the Beta Band's tune "Life." The 685 S2 blurred some of the notes together, and while the Debut B6 wasn't perfect it was better. All in all, we felt the Debut B6's midrange was more transparent and clear overall, but the 685 S2 was smoother and more refined.

But here's the thing: the Bowers and Wilkins 685 S2s sell for more than twice the price of the ELAC Debut B6s -- $700 per pair versus $280.

Next, we compared the Debut B6 with ELAC's slightly smaller Debut bookshelf speaker, the B5 ($230 per pair; that's £150 or AU$310). At first they sounded similar when listening to guitarist Ry Cooder's soundtrack score for "Paris, Texas," but as we continued the smaller speaker sounded a wee bit brighter and leaner in the bass, with a more recessed soundstage than the Debut B6. The Debut B5 is awfully good, but for just $50 more we preferred the fuller sounding Debut B6. Both speakers revealed the subtle shadings of every pluck and scrape of Cooder playing his acoustic guitar.

Conclusion
We were shocked that the Debut B6 outshone Bowers & Wilkins' more-than-twice-as-expensive 685 S2 speaker on a number of counts. Pair the Debut B6 with a decent integrated amp like the NAD C 316BEE, or Onkyo's excellent TX-8020 stereo receiver, and perhaps a U-Turn Orbit turntable, and you'd have a killer budget, yet fully audiophile-grade stereo system.

And that's the ultimate takeaway here: the rare achievement of true audiophile quality at a low price. Speaker shoppers always want bargains -- speakers that blow away the competition at a rock bottom price without sacrificing quality. The ELAC Debut B6 is that speaker. It's a stunning achievement. Andrew Jones has again raised the bar.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: cable-guy on November 30, 2015, 15:25
Elac Debut is available on Amazon.com and it ships to Singapore!...Tested putting the B6 in the cart all the way to just before placing order.

https://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&page=1&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3AB014GSEPY8%7CB014GSEQ06%7CB014GSEQ2O%7CB014GSEQCY%7CB014GSEQWE%7CB014GSER6O%7CB014GSEUJ8%7CB014GSEVFQ,ssx%3Arelevance
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: ks on November 30, 2015, 15:28
What are the notable/famous designs that Andrew Jones has come up with?
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: cable-guy on November 30, 2015, 15:36
Andrew Jones has designed TAD speakers and the famous cheap and good Pioneer SP-BS22-LR...check out other xtremeplace threads.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: Fatalethal on December 03, 2015, 14:21
What are the notable/famous designs that Andrew Jones has come up with?

Andrew Jones knows his nuts..

I owned his BS22.. and indeed it is really really good for the price i'm getting it for.


Am hoping to own his ELAC B6 as well.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: cable-guy on December 03, 2015, 14:42
Especially when it went down as low as S$76 a pair including free shipping... ;D
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: malsound on December 09, 2015, 21:36
http://www.youtube.com/v/mMzisbcYu4c&fs=1http://www.youtube.com/v/GeRP-THWgm8&fs=1
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: cable-guy on December 21, 2015, 09:06
1 pair of B6 arriving on week of 5th Jan 2016 with free shipping...great way to start the NY...thanks to my audiophile bro.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: chrisnew on December 21, 2015, 09:28
1 pair of B6 arriving on week of 5th Jan 2016 with free shipping...great way to start the NY...thanks to my audiophile bro.
Amazon?

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Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: cable-guy on December 21, 2015, 09:42
Amz indeed...only this time round, I didn't order myself.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: Saycheese78 on December 21, 2015, 10:31
How did u get free shipping
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: cable-guy on December 21, 2015, 10:52
Have a steady spend with Amz past three years. Been getting free shipping quite (too) often till lately...got a nasty email from them and decided to stand up to them, hit the brakes on all the Christmas orders. Another bro ordered for me this morning so am spreading the word. Just try asking on a chat before you place order, nothing to lose. Or see if other bros can order for you...to ship separately and directly to you...so that can save a pick-up/send.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: DIRTRUN on December 21, 2015, 10:57
Have a steady spend with Amz past three years. Been getting free shipping quite (too) often till lately...got a nasty email from them and decided to stand up to them, hit the brakes on all the Christmas orders. Another bro ordered for me this morning so am spreading the word. Just try asking on a chat before you place order, nothing to lose. Or see if other bros can order for you...to ship separately and directly to you...so that can save a pick-up/send.
O,

Wat happenned? Care to elaborate? Would be interesting to knw as , so far my experiences wif em hv been good..

 :D
D
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: cable-guy on December 21, 2015, 11:03
I have had a good run with them for a few years now...

And then I got this email:

Hello,

A careful review of your account indicates that you've required Shipping Charges Refunds on a majority of your orders for a variety of reasons.

Through the normal course of business, the occasional problem is inevitable. However, you seem to have had an unusually high rate of problems in your account history

When unusual account activity like this comes to our attention, we'll evaluate each account on a case-by-case basis to determine if additional action or closing the account is necessary. We’d prefer to work with you because we do value your business.

We appreciate your cooperation and understanding.

Best regards,

Account Specialist.
Amazon.com
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: Hass on December 21, 2015, 11:10
so u've been getting free shipping for stuffs that is outside the guideline for free shipping for years?
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: cable-guy on December 21, 2015, 11:14
Yup. I can't help feeling very insulted upon receiving this email over their Thanksgiving weekend. Over time, not only did I chalk up the sales yearly and growing...I also provided a lot of feedback and comments to help a lot of customers and most likely boost Amazon sales.

Moreover, the writer of the email was down right rude, did not greet the customer, did not sign off who he/she is, and with no ability to respond to the writer directly and insufficient information about the said allegations.

This happened when I still have open orders with Amazon. The tone of the email is also threatening, i.e. closing the account.

Anyway, I couldn't have got the free shipping without their blessing.

I wrote back to them and so far they either don't care or don't know how to respond back to me.... >:(

Don't give the customer good deals and then regret later and put the blame on the customer with insults... >:(
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: Hass on December 21, 2015, 11:18
looks like ur business is not valued by Amazon. My guess is someone did a review and find that sales to you with the free shipping doesnt generate enough margin. But agree, they can be alot more tactful. or simply say no to future requests of free shipping / waivers / refunds
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: cable-guy on December 21, 2015, 11:29
What got to me was that all I did was ask and they almost literally and always said no problem and I thanked them...all my orders were over USD 125, mostly sold/ship by Amz...or worst case, shipped/fulfilled by Amz.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: malsound on December 23, 2015, 07:17
http://parttimeaudiophile.com/2015/12/19/review-elac-debut-b6-and-f5-loudspeakers/
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: benlzy on December 23, 2015, 07:48
http://parttimeaudiophile.com/2015/12/19/review-elac-debut-b6-and-f5-loudspeakers/

Thanks... awesome and entertaining read
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: DIRTRUN on December 23, 2015, 09:51
I have had a good run with them for a few years now...

And then I got this email:

Hello,

A careful review of your account indicates that you've required Shipping Charges Refunds on a majority of your orders for a variety of reasons.

Through the normal course of business, the occasional problem is inevitable. However, you seem to have had an unusually high rate of problems in your account history

When unusual account activity like this comes to our attention, we'll evaluate each account on a case-by-case basis to determine if additional action or closing the account is necessary. We’d prefer to work with you because we do value your business.

We appreciate your cooperation and understanding.

Best regards,

Account Specialist.
Amazon.com


Well,

In the end , can either grin and bear it OR
Take offence and just take our biznes elsewhere..

 :D
D
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: cable-guy on December 26, 2015, 20:15
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20151226/a37888fb132c4a962b9f28f2c59fc884.jpg)

Christmas present from the wife arrived on Boxing Day!
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: whyeme on December 26, 2015, 20:22
Congrats bro cableguy!
Test it carefully. My 1st set of B6 had channel imbalance. Replacement set fortunately ok liao. I suggest removing the tweeter grills for the highs to really shine. The bass is really deep & tuneful. I believe it benefits from better amplification too. Enjoy :)
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: cable-guy on December 26, 2015, 20:25

Thanks for the tip, Bro whyme!

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Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: whyeme on December 26, 2015, 23:44
Here's my B6 sitting on isolation foam pads and driven by the budget Nad C320BEE. I removed the tweeter grills  ;D

Wonder if the Emotiva mini-X a-100 would sound better than the Nad?

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1452/23334035494_186e4c1e64_c.jpg)
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: cable-guy on December 27, 2015, 21:52
Thanks, whyeme, your picture helps!

1. Before I touch anything, how did you remove the tweeter grilles?

2. By the way, I thought 1-2 ft space needed for side and rear of speaker, is your choice of placement because of space constraint?


My initial impressions with the B6, with only few hours of run-in:

A. These speakers produce a bigger sound than they look and can be used in more than just a small to medium listening room.

B. Bass dept is not lacking, quite a bit of depth and breadth...maybe more defined as more hours are clocked.

C. I have this impression that these speakers won't be shy to get more amp wattage. I am running  them with a Pop Pulse T-AMP180 now and it feels like they will do better with higher wattage amps.

D. Highs and Mids could do with more presence and more airy although they are all quite there. It likely to be those "prison" grilles on the tweeters...don't know why A.J. obstruct them this way. Like whyeme said, need to remove them. I tried toe-in about 10-degrees, it does help.

E. And yes, again, don't know why A.J. likes his honeycomb plastic speaker grille. That needs to go as well. Maybe just a rectangular frame with thin cloth would really work better.

I got the B6 sitting on my budget Atacama SE24 spiked semi sand-filled stands sitting on chopping boards.

Would love to hear more from others...

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20151227/3f012e9e79863faa2cf63bfe3e89f927.jpg)
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: whyeme on December 27, 2015, 22:18
Just use a pin to gently pry out the tweeter grills. Yup u guessed it I got plenty of space constraints  :'(

The mids will take some running in time to fully bloom. Whoa the B6 looks mighy handsome sitting on your Atacama stands.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: cable-guy on December 27, 2015, 22:31
Great will try that out. Black speakers on black stands always look good.

Really don't understand how can good sound be produced through these speaker grilles...

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20151227/5bbe5d5cd7e0f7a89b67a0b13295178d.jpg)
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: skynetuser on December 27, 2015, 22:46
Hi cable-guy, may I have the dimensions of the box as I m thinking of using either comgateway or borderlinx to ship, so want to get shipping quote from them. The shipping via amazon is quite ex.

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Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: cable-guy on December 27, 2015, 22:54
72.5cm (l) x 32.5cm (w) x 47cm (h)
14.8 kg
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: whyeme on December 27, 2015, 23:00
AJ used a bel canto integrated amp to drive the Elacs at the show. Maybe really need a very good amp to make it sing.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: skynetuser on December 28, 2015, 08:54
72.5cm (l) x 32.5cm (w) x 47cm (h)
14.8 kg

Thanks, Cable-guy!
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: chaozhoi on December 28, 2015, 16:50
Here's my B6 sitting on isolation foam pads and driven by the budget Nad C320BEE. I removed the tweeter grills  ;D

Wonder if the Emotiva mini-X a-100 would sound better than the Nad?

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1452/23334035494_186e4c1e64_c.jpg)

i see you are placing it almost touching the rear wall, any issues with the port or bass control? I am eyeing on this pair as well but is having serious space constraints
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: whyeme on December 28, 2015, 17:47
Chaozhoi bro, the bass is of cos boomier in my current placement so near to the walls than if it were placed in my main rig. But I have to live with it till I find more space. Good thing is that the B6 isnt voiced to be overly bassy. If the material has it, it comes thru. If not, the bass doesnt overwhelm the other frequencies.

Would be interesting to see what AJ does for elac next.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: cable-guy on December 29, 2015, 14:44
Hi whyeme and chaozoi, is wall mounting the speakers an option?
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: whyeme on December 29, 2015, 23:21
Hi whyeme and chaozoi, is wall mounting the speakers an option?

As long as you can find a suitable mount. I would advise against drilling into the speakers as it would likely affect the sound & of course the re-sale value. Fortunately I found an appropriate mount for my Pioneer BS22. No drilling into speakers needed  ;D

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5689/23029565996_6e07221f66_c.jpg)
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: whyeme on December 29, 2015, 23:29
Really don't understand how can good sound be produced through these speaker grilles...

AJ voiced the Elacs without the speaker grilles, so they are there only for protection. But he did voice them with the tweeter grilles on, so perhaps he was aiming for a warmer sound signature.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: Epicure2 on December 29, 2015, 23:51
Stumbled upon this,  thought I would share...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KZ7ig9EiNI
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: Epicure2 on December 30, 2015, 19:31
Visited one of my neighbor who has just bought the Elac Debut B6 and was blown away by its sound stage, wide and deep and sound like the Celestion SL 600.  It was driven by vintage electronic such as Audio Research Preamp and Aragon Power Amp.  Just can't believe that a cheap speakers can sound so good. 
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: cable-guy on January 02, 2016, 19:48
Ask your neighbour to remove the tweeter grilles...

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160102/d35a1402f4ebb191b36bede4cffaa33a.jpg)

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160102/0d54226407b5685b740fcd65f121611b.jpg)

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160102/d3a532501cd434d40aa90c89c47705d0.jpg)
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: whyeme on January 02, 2016, 22:10
So how do you like it with tweeter grilles OFF? :)
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: cable-guy on January 02, 2016, 22:18
Freed the tweeters from prison...now they can breathe easy...

These speakers still do need more time to run in though.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: mesaux on January 05, 2016, 08:49
I am looking to possibly acquire this and I am wondering is it available to be heard and bought at the Elac Dealer in Singapore? Tried doing Amazon shipping direct and it seems like not available.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: cable-guy on January 05, 2016, 10:37
You can write to AJ and CW of Elac America to ask if they would ship the speakers out of China straight to all the Elac dealer networks.

I wrote to them earlier part of last year to propose that the Debut series be made available to International markets via Amazon global shipping. I am probably not the only one...and I guess they do listen.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: malsound on January 07, 2016, 20:13

http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/elac-debut-f5/

Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: cable-guy on January 09, 2016, 15:12
If only I can hear the whole range of speakers for both stereo and home theatre setup...ready for Atmos and X...haven't upgraded HT gear in 10 years...

Time for AJ to push the stock to Asia Pacific next.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: malsound on January 09, 2016, 16:22
http://www.youtube.com/v/EryY-G28jOU&fs=1http://www.youtube.com/v/pL6JTuvBh6U&fs=1
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: whyeme on January 09, 2016, 16:26
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/16/01/07/b17900ff9646a2fe9d91475988e1412b.jpg)

Here is the pricing on the new Uni-Fi Series Speakers.

UB5 3-Way 5-1/4" Concentric Bookshelf Speakers $499 Pair - Available in April
UC5 3-Way 5/1"4" Concentric Center Speaker $349 Each - Available in April
UF5 3-Way 5-1/4" Concentric Floorstanding Speakers $499 Each- Available in April
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: Tiktokape on January 09, 2016, 16:32
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/16/01/07/b17900ff9646a2fe9d91475988e1412b.jpg)

Here is the pricing on the new Uni-Fi Series Speakers.

UB5 3-Way 5-1/4" Concentric Bookshelf Speakers $499 Pair - Available in April
UC5 3-Way 5/1"4" Concentric Center Speaker $349 Each - Available in April
UF5 3-Way 5-1/4" Concentric Floorstanding Speakers $499 Each- Available in April
Looks good
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: whyeme on January 09, 2016, 16:33
Also new Elac integrated! Looks chio! Abt USD$599 I think

(https://photos-5.dropbox.com/t/2/AAC4Qt6HOrJo-nYopgyoO4YzDeXVAxYBlZtB-Mc69g8_6Q/12/8757366/jpeg/32x32/8_643-0-1713-1713-3000-1713/1452344400/0/2/DEBUT%20AMPLIFIER%20FRONT.jpg/ELWdwgYYivkCIAIoAg/Eq_xaDVQEmhZaBurFRrNna-8pZwk-jpnDESkrsLoCvc?size_mode=3&size=1024x768)
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: cable-guy on January 09, 2016, 21:10
Bro whyeme, are you buying these too?
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: whyeme on January 09, 2016, 21:28
Unlikely, bro c-g. My main rig needs attention at the moment. Oppo 83se needs new lens assembly.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: Epicure2 on January 10, 2016, 16:11
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/16/01/07/b17900ff9646a2fe9d91475988e1412b.jpg)

Here is the pricing on the new Uni-Fi Series Speakers.

UB5 3-Way 5-1/4" Concentric Bookshelf Speakers $499 Pair - Available in April
UC5 3-Way 5/1"4" Concentric Center Speaker $349 Each - Available in April
UF5 3-Way 5-1/4" Concentric Floorstanding Speakers $499 Each- Available in April

The UB5 looks like Kef Series
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: tane0019 on January 10, 2016, 16:23
Good, another uni-q speaker.

Would be good to have uni-q + transmission line in one speaker  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: malsound on January 10, 2016, 16:51
http://www.youtube.com/v/aEoFDDR5dSQ&fs=1http://www.youtube.com/v/1EMbArBzr6o&fs=1
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: malsound on January 10, 2016, 17:17
http://www.youtube.com/v/_KZ7ig9EiNI&fs=1http://www.youtube.com/v/c3n9bNhknBg&fs=1
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: mesaux on January 10, 2016, 21:13
Has anyone compared the B6 to something of similar price range like the Monitor Audio Bx1/2? Or Maybe the Rx1/2. And something higher up like the DM2/7 by Dynaudio, 706 by Focal? Curious to know just how much one can stretch the speaker before like its out of its league
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: Epicure2 on January 10, 2016, 21:43
Has anyone compared the B6 to something of similar price range like the Monitor Audio Bx1/2? Or Maybe the Rx1/2. And something higher up like the DM2/7 by Dynaudio, 706 by Focal? Curious to know just how much one can stretch the speaker before like its out of its league

Just to share.  I have listened to a comparison with Epos 14 at my neighbor's house.

Many times better in term of mid-range, separation and very tuneful bass.  The Epos has listening limitation such as when you stand up the bass is gone. This means that listener will have to be seated all the time in order to enjoy he music. 
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: whyeme on January 10, 2016, 22:31
My B6 now somewhat reminds me of the sound from my previous Dynaudio Audience 52.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: Epicure2 on January 10, 2016, 22:51
My B6 now somewhat reminds me of the sound from my previous Dynaudio Audience 52.

The Dynadio Audience 52 is a fussy speakers and it has to be matched with a good amp preferably a tube design.  Match with certain solid state, the high sounds shrill in the high frequencies.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: whyeme on January 11, 2016, 00:23
The Dynadio Audience 52 is a fussy speakers and it has to be matched with a good amp preferably a tube design.  Match with certain solid state, the high sounds shrill in the high frequencies.

I must have been pretty fortunate then, cos the 52 highs never sounded shrill even though driven by budget solid state emotiva pre/power. The highs were of cos not as extended, refined and airy as the focus 110.

Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: Fatalethal on January 11, 2016, 14:57
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/16/01/07/b17900ff9646a2fe9d91475988e1412b.jpg)

Here is the pricing on the new Uni-Fi Series Speakers.

UB5 3-Way 5-1/4" Concentric Bookshelf Speakers $499 Pair - Available in April
UC5 3-Way 5/1"4" Concentric Center Speaker $349 Each - Available in April
UF5 3-Way 5-1/4" Concentric Floorstanding Speakers $499 Each- Available in April

Price in USD or SGD?!
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: cable-guy on January 11, 2016, 17:11
USD
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: mesaux on January 11, 2016, 21:08
I think I will head down to Alpha Audio and check if they carry, really do find intl shipping a great hassle and put off
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: whyeme on January 12, 2016, 00:28
From Stereophile:

Quote
Everywhere I go I hear about Andrew Jones the speaker design wizard, and how suddenly, this "trending" new combination of established manufacturing smarts (ELAC America) and engineering magic is making high-value speakers at astonishingly low prices. (I had just submitted a review of the ELAC Debut B6 for the May issue of Stereophile before boarding the plane for Vegas.)
Before all the aramid cones had even broken in on the Debut Series, Elac America has introduced a new series called the "Uni-Fi"—which consists of a floor stander (the UF5), a bookshelf model (UB5), and a center channel—all featuring aluminum cones and a concentric mid-tweeter unit. While at KEF, Jones participated in the development of that company's famous Uni-Q concentric driver, which now anchors the entire KEF line. This new "Uni-Fi" series of concentric driver+woofer for Elac suggests a similar approach. The UB5s Jones demoed played faster, stronger, more clearly than the Debut B6s I reviewed. It appears that Elac is picking up momentum very quickly.

Read more at http://www.stereophile.com/content/elac-mr-jones#Q0txxggFX85whYHF.99
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: Fatalethal on January 12, 2016, 08:31
From Stereophile:

Read more at http://www.stereophile.com/content/elac-mr-jones#Q0txxggFX85whYHF.99

it makes me wanna sell away my speakers for the elac  :-[
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: exclusive on January 12, 2016, 08:50
Any possibility that it will be available for audition locally?

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Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: whyeme on January 12, 2016, 13:13
it makes me wanna sell away my speakers for the elac  :-[

Only sell your volent when AJ comes out with Elac flagship :)
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: cable-guy on January 12, 2016, 14:55
Bro Fatalethal, different price point and make/quality...not sure if its a fair comparison... ;D
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: Fatalethal on January 12, 2016, 15:32
Bro Fatalethal, different price point and make/quality...not sure if its a fair comparison... ;D


 :P maybe because of my current amp i am using.... waiting for my new amp to arrive.  :-[

then by then maybe different story liao...
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: cable-guy on January 13, 2016, 14:42

 :P maybe because of my current amp i am using.... waiting for my new amp to arrive.  :-[

then by then maybe different story liao...

Wow...mysterious...what are you eagerly waiting for to replace the classic 25-year old Pioneer solid state from the '90s?
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: Fatalethal on January 14, 2016, 10:36
Wow...mysterious...what are you eagerly waiting for to replace the classic 25-year old Pioneer solid state from the '90s?

Job INT! waiting for it to arrive.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: cable-guy on January 14, 2016, 12:52
all in one...:)

Let us know how it sounds then...congrats.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: exclusive on January 14, 2016, 13:43
Hope that someone will have the unifi b5 when it release for audition.

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Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: Fatalethal on January 14, 2016, 14:48
all in one...:)

Let us know how it sounds then...congrats.


all in one.... just to cut all the hidden cost... e.g. cables.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: mesaux on January 15, 2016, 17:06
$640 for Elac B6 at Alpha Audio, actually if you factor in shipping and exchange rate, its not that much different from buying from Amazon.

Stock won't be in till End Jan
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: cable-guy on January 15, 2016, 17:31
$640 for Elac B6 at Alpha Audio, actually if you factor in shipping and exchange rate, its not that much different from buying from Amazon.

Stock won't be in till End Jan

Good info, Bro mesaux! Sounds about right. Getting it at S$405 nett with free shipping seems to be a thing of the past anyway.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: Epicure2 on January 16, 2016, 11:06
I will wait for the UB5 when it is in the market.  The midrange separation should be better and more clearly than the Debut B6.

Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: cable-guy on January 16, 2016, 18:55
UB5 is about twice the price, might come to about $1K a pair locally? It will be great to do a shootout. From the design, it seems the tweeter grille may be harder to remove...
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: Fatalethal on January 16, 2016, 20:38
(https://scontent-sin1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/12523120_10154474119638709_683399490608952155_n.jpg?oh=c200dab838727732f6bcdb8bd7ed5879&oe=5737B6F0)


Heard the JobINT (owner is one of my friend) from my speakers today with 2 friends...

 :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: cable-guy on January 16, 2016, 20:42
Wow, looks majestic...especially the logo design. How does it sound?
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: Fatalethal on January 16, 2016, 20:49
Wow, looks majestic...especially the logo design. How does it sound?

glorious
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: cable-guy on January 18, 2016, 10:06
And Marantz CD6005 is a budgetphile's value for money as a CDP or for transport. I, too, use it for these duties.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: desray on January 20, 2016, 19:48
Thought I will just share it here...the new Andrew Jones Elac Debut series have arrived in Singapore. Those who are interested to do an audition can arrange with Alpha Audio.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: cable-guy on January 20, 2016, 20:15
Thanks for sharing, bro desray. Is it available at SLS or Adelphi or both outlets?

Interested to check them all out...whole Debut range available?
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: desray on January 20, 2016, 22:26

Thanks for sharing, bro desray. Is it available at SLS or Adelphi or both outlets?

Interested to check them all out...whole Debut range available?

Yes I believe so...pls check with Alpha Audio at SLS first.

Cheers!~



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Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: Epicure2 on January 20, 2016, 22:46
SLS?  I have never walk into that shop !
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: cable-guy on January 21, 2016, 09:25
bro Epicure2, surprisingly they are quite okay...I bought a few pieces of gear from Alpha Audio in SLS over the years, maybe even slightly better pricing than Adelphi side.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: DJQ on January 21, 2016, 09:29
Different people different attitude. Common. :-X
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: cable-guy on January 21, 2016, 09:41
At least no threatening ah bengs when I was there... ;D

Did you have bad experience, bro DJQ? Do share please.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: Epicure2 on January 21, 2016, 13:28
Usually I make my purchase at Alpha in Adelphi, I have not been to SLS for a long time.  No bad experience what so ever.  Cheers!
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: SiaOLiaO on January 21, 2016, 19:13
I think nothing wrong with Alpha Audio, they have been around way before I ever step into the audiophile world. Just like what DJQ said, different people, different attitude. Happens everywhere.

Anyway, I briefly auditioned to the subs. I think great value for the price. Won't be surprised if it gets out of stock soon. The Auto EQ-ing is very cool. And you can adjust the phase using the smartphone app too. Very useful.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: cable-guy on January 22, 2016, 13:30
Hi bro SiaOLiaO, which models? S10, S10EQ or S12EQ? How much are they going for?
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: SiaOLiaO on January 22, 2016, 14:17
Hey bro, I don't know whether it is ok to reveal prices here but this is what I know. All models are available.

S10 = almost half price of S10EQ and S10EQ is the price of SVS SB1000 and S12EQ 30% higher than S10EQ.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: tane0019 on January 22, 2016, 14:21
S10 = almost half price of S10EQ and S10EQ is the price of SVS SB1000 and S12EQ 30% higher than S10EQ.

This one look like pri 6 math question  ;D ;D ;D
Now what is the price of SVS SB1000  ???
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: SiaOLiaO on January 22, 2016, 14:39
1 short of 4 digits. ;)
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: cable-guy on January 22, 2016, 23:20
...thanks for exercising my brain after a long day. Now I know I am not brain dead....

Not that cheap ah...comparable with SVS.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: hdzone on February 01, 2016, 16:29
 I visited the store in SLS when it was launched on 20th Jan. Auditioned B6 speakers in stereo mode using Marantaz source. 
They sounded good however price is quite high than US equivalent price, sales guy said they are importing from Germany so priced higher (not convincing :)). 
I bought those and using it front speakers in my home theater system, much happier as they sound much better in room than in store as it was more open space. I am using these with Denon X2200W
No need of sub-woofer if you are on budget and having small to medium room as these are producing deep bass in stereo mode and very detailed in 5.1 mode.


Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: cable-guy on February 01, 2016, 16:52
I visited the store in SLS when it was launched on 20th Jan. Auditioned B6 speakers in stereo mode using Marantaz source. 
They sounded good however price is quite high than US equivalent price, sales guy said they are importing from Germany so priced higher (not convincing :)). 
I bought those and using it front speakers in my home theater system, much happier as they sound much better in room than in store as it was more open space. I am using these with Denon X2200W
No need of sub-woofer if you are on budget and having small to medium room as these are producing deep bass in stereo mode and very detailed in 5.1 mode.

Tell him..."Blather, the speakers are M.I.C. (Made In China)". Can take photo to prove it... ;D

Good sharing, Bro hdzone. Thanks.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: exclusive on February 01, 2016, 16:53
nice feedback! why don wait for the 3 way with uni driver?

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Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: hdzone on February 01, 2016, 19:09
nice feedback! why don wait for the 3 way with uni driver?

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I also heard uni driver are even better however I think those will be expensive to buy and time factor was there . Uni Fi will be releasing in April 16 (that's what I heard ) and don't know when they will arrive in Singapore so considering this I decided not to wait.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: hdzone on February 01, 2016, 19:14
Tell him..."Blather, the speakers are M.I.C. (Made In China)". Can take photo to prove it... ;D

Good sharing, Bro hdzone. Thanks.

yeah but I dont think that would have helped to bargain. 

Happy to Share my 10 days experience with these speakers.
I am living in Singapore now 3 years, this is my first booksehlf purchase.
I live in 3room HDB so these are sufficient to listen considering my living room size.

I am using wharfedale CS 10 as center and looking for inexpensive and VFM front ported surround speakers.

 
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: Epicure2 on February 01, 2016, 20:01
How about the placing of the Elac B6?  As this model is rear ported, do you have to place very far from the front wall to get a well balance sound?
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: hdzone on February 01, 2016, 20:09
How about the placing of the Elac B6?  As this model is rear ported, do you have to place very far from the front wall to get a well balance sound?

Depends upon space and bass volume you like, I have placed speakers around 10-12 cm from wall.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: malsound on February 04, 2016, 12:24
http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/0216/ELAC_F5_Speaker_Review.htm

Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: EyesWideShut on February 08, 2016, 00:47
Is the B6 substantively different/better than the B5 ? Any forumers have knowledge or experience on this? Tks !
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: whyeme on February 08, 2016, 01:00
Biggest advantage of b6 over b5 is bass extension. Worth the extra little bit of cash if u have space for it.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: cable-guy on February 08, 2016, 02:30
Yup, though I haven't heard the B5 but unless there is a compelling reason not to, I will take the B6 anytime. Not sure if you would settle for B5 after you have heard them both.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: malsound on February 09, 2016, 22:24
http://www.youtube.com/v/qzURMNfLKug&fs=1http://www.youtube.com/v/Ckgd4jrNG3I&fs=1
http://www.youtube.com/v/DlrrncspSfQ&fs=1http://www.youtube.com/v/UH6Xmt7p2Z8&fs=1
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: whyeme on February 10, 2016, 01:30
Bro eyeswideshut asked these qns so I quote here for others to chip in too.

Quote
Good day, noticed that you have both the BS22 and B6. I currently do have the BS22 too and am v interested in the B6. Grateful if you can help me with a few quick queries:

1) Is the B6 worth the buy/significantly better as compared to the BS22?
2) I presuppose your B6 was from Amazon? I noted that they are now "fulfilled by Amazon" and not sold directly by Amazon. In this vein, did you manage to get free shipping from Amazon?
3) The B6 has quite a few aluminium parts (but the tweeter is non-aluminium, if not wrong?). Any sense that it tends to sound bright/harsh at the high ends?

Will be very thankful if you could help me with the above. Tks ! Happy CNY. -)

My ans...YMMV  ;D

1) Yup its definitely worth the purchase & is significantly better than bs22. B6 sounds like my previous Dynaudio Audience 52 which costs ard $1600 when new. Bs22 is good for its price, & mine is now serving surround duties in my main rig.

2) Afaik, bro cablebuy & I were among the fortunate first few to get free shipping from amazon. Guess now no more so better to get locally.

3) The B6 is one of the most un-harsh/un-bright budget speakers I have come across so far. In fact if you spent time reading thru this & the bs22 thread, some of us removed the tweeter grills to let the highs really sing.

GONG HEI FATT CHOY  ;D
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: whyeme on February 10, 2016, 01:39
I have a nagging suspicion that my nad c320bee integrated amp is not doing full justice to the B6. Any bros here got suggestions on what I can upgrade to? Maybe a used integrated amp at abt $500? :)
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: cable-guy on February 10, 2016, 16:02
Bro eyeswideshut asked these qns so I quote here for others to chip in too.

My ans...YMMV  ;D

1) Yup its definitely worth the purchase & is significantly better than bs22. B6 sounds like my previous Dynaudio Audience 52 which costs ard $1600 when new. Bs22 is good for its price, & mine is now serving surround duties in my main rig.

2) Afaik, bro cablebuy & I were among the fortunate first few to get free shipping from amazon. Guess now no more so better to get locally.

3) The B6 is one of the most un-harsh/un-bright budget speakers I have come across so far. In fact if you spent time reading thru this & the bs22 thread, some of us removed the tweeter grills to let the highs really sing.

GONG HEI FATT CHOY  ;D

Same, I had loads of fun with the Pioneer SP-BS22-LR. The Elac Debut B6 is completely different class (not just the price point). The BS22 is back in its original carton packaging and in the cupboard...so what does that tell you?... ;D

I also said earlier, the B6 is not shy for amp power. I am thinking of finding some heavy wattage solid state to drive them. At least 1xx W or more at 8-ohm per channel amp would be nice.  :)
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: whyeme on February 10, 2016, 22:05
What have I done  ;D

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1665/24844069601_b82dc4c91d_c.jpg)
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: Fatalethal on February 11, 2016, 01:06
What have I done  ;D

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1665/24844069601_b82dc4c91d_c.jpg)

Waiting for you to upgrade to Job INT.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: whyeme on February 12, 2016, 00:07
Waiting for you to upgrade to Job INT.

Waiting for you to sell me yours  ;D

Speaking of which, WHOA does the B6 respond remarkably well to better amplification! Plonking in the Puccini to replace the Nad C320bee, the previous muddy bass disappeared, treble became more prominent and smooth, and vocals more pronounced and warmer.

Bros who own the Elac Debut series speakers owe it to themselves to drive them with quality amps  ;D
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: andylovesaudio on February 12, 2016, 00:36
I haven't auditioned the b5 or b6 and just wondering. Would one be disappointed if it cost eg around usd 1k? Or is it since it cost just about usd300 , expectations are a lot lower and it just kicks ass for such a low priced speaker?
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: cable-guy on February 12, 2016, 01:00
That could be one way of looking at it. And maybe if they are at a USD 500 to 600 price point, they may give the other competitors a very tough fight. AJ speakers are all about "spoiling market" which is why we are sufficiently intrigued to try them.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: andylovesaudio on February 12, 2016, 01:16
Got it. Therefore ... They are very competitive in the usd500 range. And since they are only usd300...they are really vfm. But still budget level. Bro thinking of getting a pair of speakers...price usd1.5 to 2.5k. Now thinking should not shortlist the elacs...since his amp is at 5k level. If get the b5...kind of putting lipstick on a pig...ie...overkill. Thanks .
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: cable-guy on February 12, 2016, 11:22
That being said, AJ speakers may beat some expensive speakers so audition the B6 anyway and then use that as a reference point to see if its worth paying USD X,XXX... ;D
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: julery on February 13, 2016, 17:12
Anyone know where can I upgrade my Elac B6 locally? Don't you think the upper range abit roll off?

The upgrade I'm thinking of is from this link: Level 1 upgrade:

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=bd3u4i7mta6j1gcrnp4vnmoh74&topic=138550.0
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: whyeme on February 13, 2016, 20:56
Anyone know where can I upgrade my Elac B6 locally? Don't you think the upper range abit roll off?

The upgrade I'm thinking of is from this link: Level 1 upgrade:

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=bd3u4i7mta6j1gcrnp4vnmoh74&topic=138550.0

That's an interesting link. Thanks for sharing. At 1st I too thought the highs were rather rolled off out of the box. It was only after removing the tweeter grilles and changing to a better amp did I realize why many ppl say they sound like speakers several times their price.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: malsound on February 14, 2016, 01:41
http://www.youtube.com/v/4Uhkmvd3XnI&fs=1
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: malsound on February 14, 2016, 14:15
Anyone know where can I upgrade my Elac B6 locally? Don't you think the upper range abit roll off?

The upgrade I'm thinking of is from this link: Level 1 upgrade:

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=bd3u4i7mta6j1gcrnp4vnmoh74&topic=138550.0

http://www.youtube.com/v/E3XlZ71yn_I&fs=1
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: julery on February 15, 2016, 19:57
Ok nevermind, after putting ebony spikes + base on the B6 they sound more balance now. Might be the strong woofer masking the highs.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: malsound on February 16, 2016, 12:18

http://audio-head.com/the-elac-ub5-and-discovery-ecosystem-ces-2016/

Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: malsound on February 17, 2016, 20:39
http://www.youtube.com/v/AwA-F2m4ONI&fs=1
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: andylovesaudio on February 20, 2016, 04:00
Thanks Cable-guy. Sounds like a good plan.  :)
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: buihia on February 20, 2016, 16:37
Anyone has info on availability and price of ub5 locally yet?
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: m0j0_vin on February 24, 2016, 01:54
would the amp on the Creative X7 Limited edition be sufficient to drive a B5? it would just be used at moderate volume for bedroom listening.

http://sg.creative.com/p/sound-blaster/sound-blaster-x7-limited-edition
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: whyeme on February 24, 2016, 02:16
would the amp on the Creative X7 Limited edition be sufficient to drive a B5? it would just be used at moderate volume for bedroom listening.

http://sg.creative.com/p/sound-blaster/sound-blaster-x7-limited-edition

Shouldn't be an issue, but my experience with the B6 is that it responds immensely well to better quality amplification.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: m0j0_vin on February 24, 2016, 02:42
Shouldn't be an issue, but my experience with the B6 is that it responds immensely well to better quality amplification.

Thanks.  I was afraid of getting the B5 only to find out that I need a new amp as well.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: 2willow on February 26, 2016, 13:01
Hi,

Anyone has used/reviewed the ELAC Debut series?  Doesn't seem too expensive to buy from Amazon US incl shipping.  around S$400 - $600 for the center or the bookshelves...
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: Epicure2 on February 27, 2016, 22:50
Hi,

Anyone has used/reviewed the ELAC Debut series?  Doesn't seem too expensive to buy from Amazon US incl shipping.  around S$400 - $600 for the center or the bookshelves...

Please refer to the link below...
http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=204068.0
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: 2willow on March 01, 2016, 10:49
any feedback on the centre speaker?  seems like all the good reviews are on the B6
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: desray on March 14, 2016, 20:29
Some good experience by users in the AVSforum for AJ's Elac A4 Atmos module...In S'pore, we are still waiting for the 1st batch to arrive.

(http://cx.lnwfile.com/_/cx/_raw/jy/1o/zo.jpg)
You can read his first impression here: http://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-speakers/1714010-dolby-atmos-upward-firing-module-speakers-39.html#post42366633 (http://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-speakers/1714010-dolby-atmos-upward-firing-module-speakers-39.html#post42366633)
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: iwing88 on March 21, 2016, 12:25
can anyone tell where i can buy the b5? thx
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: Epicure2 on March 21, 2016, 13:18
can anyone tell where i can buy the b5? thx

Alpha Audio in Sim Lim Sq is selling.  Contact them directly.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: Noob55 on March 22, 2016, 19:39
Is Elac an Indian company?

Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: tane0019 on March 22, 2016, 20:33
Germany.

http://elac.com/about/
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: Colossus on March 23, 2016, 12:43
I sniggered when I read this. Elac sounds like or means "don't have" in tamil.

Is that why you asked?

Is Elac an Indian company?


Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: tane0019 on March 23, 2016, 12:57
 ;D ;D ;D

A family of performers
(http://d2mta1yz4khnlm.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/ELAClineDebutfamily-1500x800.jpg)

A new chapter in coherent, concentric sound
(http://d2mta1yz4khnlm.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/ELAClineUni-Fifamily-1500x800.jpg)
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: whyeme on April 03, 2016, 00:10
My my...what a glowing review from Stereophile! He drove the el cheapo Elac B6 with the Line Magnetic LM-518IA (US$4450) and Rogue Audio Sphinx (US$1395 with phono stage) and compared the B6 performance to the vaunted KEF LS50 too.

So my experience concurs...B6 needs quality amplification to really sing.

http://www.stereophile.com/content/elac-debut-b6-loudspeaker#yXhOwK2oSHKycT4s.97 (http://www.stereophile.com/content/elac-debut-b6-loudspeaker#yXhOwK2oSHKycT4s.97)
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: Doggie Howser on April 03, 2016, 07:48
Damn it. A friend just showed me a TAD Evolution One.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: mesaux on April 03, 2016, 13:04
Any news on when the Elac Series of Coaxials will arrive, or is it available online already? Quite skeptical about a blind buy even with the reputation of Jones haha
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: Epicure2 on April 04, 2016, 16:16
Hopefully the UB5 coming soon...

http://www.digitalaudioreview.net/2016/01/ces-2016-andrew-jones-does-it-again-with-elac-ub5/ (http://www.digitalaudioreview.net/2016/01/ces-2016-andrew-jones-does-it-again-with-elac-ub5/)
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: Fatalethal on April 06, 2016, 09:03
Hopefully the UB5 coming soon...

http://www.digitalaudioreview.net/2016/01/ces-2016-andrew-jones-does-it-again-with-elac-ub5/ (http://www.digitalaudioreview.net/2016/01/ces-2016-andrew-jones-does-it-again-with-elac-ub5/)

Same... UB5 i am very very interested... if they have UB6.... well... <3 <3 <3

But really. i wonder why there isnt any review for the floorstands... F5 or UF5
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: whyeme on April 06, 2016, 09:09
F5 reviews aplenty iirc. UF5 still pretty new tho.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: Epicure2 on April 11, 2016, 22:23
Specification is now available for UB5

This model will be released on 30 April 2016

(http://i63.tinypic.com/14x07xk.png)

Speaker type: 3-way, bass reflex
Tweeter: 1 x 1-inch soft dome, concentrically mounted
Midrange: 1 x 4-inch aluminum cone
Woofer: 1 x 5.25-inch aluminum cone
Crossover frequency: 270 / 2,700 Hz
Frequency response: 46 to 25,000 Hz
Sensitivity: 85 dB at 2.83 v/1m
Recommended amplifier power: 40 to 140 wpc
Peak power handling: 140 wpc
Nominal impedance: 4 Ω; minimum 3.4 Ω
Binding posts: 5-way custom
Magnetic shielding: No
Cabinet finishes: Black brushed vinyl
Accessories included: Magnetic fabric grille
Dimensions (WxHxD):  7.87″ x 12.75″ x 10.75″

http://elac.com/product/ub5/ (http://elac.com/product/ub5/)
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: whyeme on May 01, 2016, 10:28
Amazon release date of UB5 pushed back to 30 May.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: facembanimp3 on May 05, 2016, 06:04
I owned his BS22.. and indeed it is really really good for the price i'm getting it for.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: chrisnew on May 05, 2016, 21:57
Pre order is up for ub5, uf5 and uc5
About S$900 for a pair of ub5.
Uf5 not shipping to Singapore.
Uc5 about S$700

http://amzn.to/1q1Q3mp
http://amzn.to/1Wag4xI
http://amzn.to/1rwppTW

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Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: tane0019 on May 05, 2016, 22:05
BS @ US$499/pair + free shipment to SGP  :o :o :o

FS say cannot ship to SGP  :-\ :-[

C @ 349/pc & can ship to SGP.

If they are really good - will become the new standard for budget HT man  ;D :D ;)
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: kimurastanley on May 05, 2016, 22:17
Interesting, floorstander and bookshelf same price?
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: Tiktokape on May 05, 2016, 22:24
Interesting, floorstander and bookshelf same price?
One floorstander vs one pair of bookshelf. Get the idea?
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: chrisnew on May 05, 2016, 22:32
Any one ordering? Wonder if bulk order can be shipping in shipping.

Andrew Jones always prefer 3 way speakers as the ideal so with the ub5 he pulled it off in a small form factor

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Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: chrisnew on May 05, 2016, 22:38
BS @ US$499/pair + free shipment to SGP  :o :o :o

FS say cannot ship to SGP  :- :-[

C @ 349/pc & can ship to SGP.

If they are really good - will become the new standard for budget HT man  ;D :D ;)
Pair with his sub, cheap and comes with EQ too, will be hard to beat. Dual voltage from what I see in the pic.

ELAC S10EQ Debut Series 400 Watt Powered Subwoofer by Andrew Jones with AutoEQ

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014GSEVFQ/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B014GSEVFQ&linkCode=as2&tag=liji-20&linkId=6YFX6YINWMPEMXOC

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Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: micktal on May 05, 2016, 23:35
How come free shipping? Mine says:

$499.00 + $143.88 Shipping & Import Fees Deposit to Singapore

BS @ US$499/pair + free shipment to SGP  :o :o :o

FS say cannot ship to SGP  :-\ :-[

C @ 349/pc & can ship to SGP.

If they are really good - will become the new standard for budget HT man  ;D :D ;)
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: tane0019 on May 06, 2016, 00:28
Sold by Amazon should have free shipment once purchase > 125 US$ (or something like that).
Title: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: Tiktokape on May 06, 2016, 00:30
Sold by Amazon should have free shipment once purchase > 125 US$ (or something like that).
Unfortunately no, out of free shipping dimensions.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: chrisnew on May 06, 2016, 00:57
Yeah nowadays very strict. And you should know Amazon finally making profit!

But even with shipping and taxes, I reckon should still be cheaper than Singapore price?

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Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: micktal on May 06, 2016, 02:58
Not necessarily. Alpha audio sells Elac debut at or close to Amazon price plus shipping and GST. In the end about the same.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: Epicure2 on May 06, 2016, 22:59
Hopefully the UB5 can sound close to the kef Series or even better in the bass, mid and high.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: whyeme on May 07, 2016, 00:05
Hopefully the UB5 can sound close to the kef Series or even better in the bass, mid and high.

Guess u r most likely referring to the KEF LS50? Some reviewers are already favourably comparing certain aspects of the Elac B6 to the LS50, so the UB5 should be even closer in performance. Fingers crossed :)
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: whyeme on June 06, 2016, 10:09
ELAC UB5 compared to the KEF LS50

http://www.thorntonhifi.com/elac-uni-fi-ub5-review.html (http://www.thorntonhifi.com/elac-uni-fi-ub5-review.html)
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: tane0019 on June 06, 2016, 10:38
WoW - How much is UB5 selling  ?

UB5 + UC5 = bery nice LCR  ;D ;D ;D
If $$$ reasonable enough - will be the best $$ vs performance combo  8)
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: chrisnew on June 25, 2016, 17:21
http://amzn.to/28S0mTP

USD 99 cheaper and in stock!

This product has a small green tint on the concentric driver that does not affect the performance in any way

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160625/61465f7531cb2479b4eb7eef848b893d.jpg)
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: cable-guy on June 26, 2016, 23:40
Unique look, one of a kind...why not for US$99 cheaper.

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Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: chrisnew on June 26, 2016, 23:48
Just ordered! Free shipping! So happy!

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Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: joamonte on June 27, 2016, 08:10
Just ordered! Free shipping! So happy!

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Free shipping to Singapore?
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: chrisnew on June 27, 2016, 08:20
Free shipping to Singapore?
Yeah. Paid only gst on top. Lucky maybe.  Try your luck with the cs

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Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: joshua182 on June 27, 2016, 12:23
Be careful when you do that. Especially if you are a new account or you seldom make purchases there, or if the nature of many of your purchases come with these special requests.

Amazon uses algorithms based on many factors to decide if they would grant you free shipping in such cases. Use or abuse it too often, and your accounts, addresses and credit cards will be banned and there wont be any warning preceeding that shocker.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: chrisnew on June 27, 2016, 21:29
Be careful when you do that. Especially if you are a new account or you seldom make purchases there, or if the nature of many of your purchases come with these special requests.

Amazon uses algorithms based on many factors to decide if they would grant you free shipping in such cases. Use or abuse it too often, and your accounts, addresses and credit cards will be banned and there wont be any warning preceeding that shocker.
Thanks for the heads up. I been a member since 2003 and shop regularly. I heard of the case where one bro had his account terminated and the other got a unpleasant email but I think they are isolated cases overall. Nonetheless is worthwhile noting. End of the day if amazon is not profitable, they can't be around long term
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: whyeme on June 27, 2016, 21:47
Yup no more free shipping for me. They said the ONE TIME exception was for my Elac B6 & THAT IS IT.

Well it was good while it lasted.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: chrisnew on June 28, 2016, 08:39
I shop very often, almost one shipment every month. And most other the time I do adhere to the free shipping items. So yeah I do use this privilege sparingly. Will post back one it's in and provide some feedback. Thing is I don't hv b6 or bs22. I'm only grabbing this out of curiosity, but I'm sure it won't be out of place on the bedroom as a second system.

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Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: chrisnew on June 29, 2016, 11:10
well, looks like its all gone. please do post your feedback when you received yours!
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: chrisnew on July 02, 2016, 15:54
Item is in Singapore! Looking forward to receive it, maybe Mon!

Btw I'm unlikely to keep it for long so if anyone is keen to take over after I'm done running in and testing it, please do pm me with an offer.

I might choose to keep it in the unlikely case it can best my MA....

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Update: No longer available for adoption! My friend is smitten with it and is taking it off me
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: chrisnew on July 07, 2016, 19:31
Delivered to office, but I'm out of office today. Any one else recovered theirs?

Thinking of getting a simple amp to drive these babies. Thinking nad d3020. Any other suggestions?

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Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: whyeme on July 07, 2016, 20:44
Budget amps do no justice to the B6, not to mention the ub5 I guess. 

Sold my Nad 320bee and got the Audio analogue Puccini se. Only then did I realise why the praise for the debut series.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: chrisnew on July 08, 2016, 10:31
Budget amps do no justice to the B6, not to mention the ub5 I guess. 

Sold my Nad 320bee and got the Audio analogue Puccini se. Only then did I realise why the praise for the debut series.
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Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: chrisnew on July 08, 2016, 10:33
Budget amps do no justice to the B6, not to mention the ub5 I guess. 

Sold my Nad 320bee and got the Audio analogue Puccini se. Only then did I realise why the praise for the debut series.
Noted! Maybe I'll try it with my main setup before deciding.

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Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: chrisnew on August 24, 2016, 23:39
Not related to me but spotted this ad in case any one is interested.

https://carousell.com/p/63556608

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Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: chrisnew on January 04, 2017, 06:04
http://amzn.to/2j1Rb6L

Elac

Element Series Integrated Amplifier, Silver (EA101EQ-G)

Pic from website shows dual voltage.

Ships to Singapore too!

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Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: ican on January 09, 2017, 13:17
anyone using nad d3020 to drive the B6? still possible right?
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: malsound on January 15, 2017, 21:26
https://www.cnet.com/products/elac-adante-as-61gb/preview/
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: whyeme on January 16, 2017, 09:15
The adante bookshelves drivers complement look like ub5's.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: malsound on February 22, 2017, 13:56
http://www.youtube.com/v/RBGgdsFxs0Q&fs=1
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: chrisnew on March 28, 2017, 01:36
http://amzn.to/2o2DF9A

UB5 at $399 again! 
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: malsound on March 31, 2017, 21:00
http://www.youtube.com/v/za3g8RGRA4k&fs=1
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: malsound on March 31, 2017, 21:02
http://www.youtube.com/v/PfTaUiY3gSA&fs=1
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: chrisnew on March 31, 2017, 21:04
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=za3g8RGRA4k

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Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: malsound on April 20, 2017, 17:01

http://www.digitalaudioreview.net/2017/04/elacs-uni-fi-bs-u5-slim-is-a-righteous-contender/

Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: whyeme on April 20, 2017, 21:05
Hmm...so the Kef LS50 won't be a significant upgrade in SQ from the UB5?
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: sevenz on April 28, 2017, 09:52
I have a friend who is searching for a VFM 5.1 sound system for mainly HT use. I understand the the Andrew Jones series from Elac is quite good.

For those who have used this, how is the perf and SQ so far? =)
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: Doggie Howser on May 06, 2017, 08:55
No one's mentioned the new Elac Adante from Andrew Jones?

https://www.elac.com/product-category/adante/

They sure look like KEFs :)

But according to the guys who spoke to Andrew Jones, the bass drivers are designed very differently. It is sealed and the driven driver is inside the enclosure? - only the passive unit is seen from the outside.

(https://elac-content.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/2016/12/gallery_1-10-750x579.jpg)
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: tane0019 on May 10, 2017, 15:08
Sure look very nice.  No detail spec yet from the web.
Pricing range ?? 

(https://elac-content.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/2017/01/Feature_1-1500x1180.jpg)

(https://elac-content.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/2017/01/FINAL_adante_home-1500x800.jpg)
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: Doggie Howser on May 10, 2017, 17:25
2.5k for bookshelves I think. Not firmed up yet.
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: sevenz on May 11, 2017, 17:36
Looks promising. Thanks for this bro DH
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: malsound on June 08, 2017, 12:21

https://www.analogplanet.com/content/how-andrew-jones-got-deep-bass-5000pr-elac-adante-floorstanders
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: sevenz on June 10, 2017, 12:44
https://www.analogplanet.com/content/how-andrew-jones-got-deep-bass-5000pr-elac-adante-floorstanders

Did they measure what's the distortion levels?
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: malsound on June 19, 2017, 12:20
http://www.youtube.com/v/ika420Ezb30&fs=1
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: malsound on March 04, 2018, 19:31
http://www.youtube.com/v/qZvhG7yUJGc&fs=1
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: malsound on March 16, 2018, 17:59
http://www.youtube.com/v/wcXvIfQfy8Q&fs=1
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: malsound on July 18, 2018, 09:24
http://www.youtube.com/v/kR7nzcg9oBI&fs=1
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: malsound on July 18, 2018, 09:24
http://www.youtube.com/v/qZvhG7yUJGc&fs=1
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: malsound on July 21, 2018, 11:55
http://www.youtube.com/v/Fx0-dkpPb8c&fs=1http://www.youtube.com/v/5stSFhIy6FU&fs=1
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: malsound on July 21, 2018, 11:59
http://www.youtube.com/v/wuvrWJ9WYK0&fs=1http://www.youtube.com/v/k5vSVCDDfww&fs=1http://www.youtube.com/v/_uPqgEZ0Woo&fs=1
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: whyeme on July 21, 2018, 12:09
Wow seems like new B6.2 finally nails it for budget speaker
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: malsound on January 15, 2019, 17:04
Please do not mispronounced the name.  ;D

https://audio-head.com/the-elac-carina-series-ces-2019/

Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: malsound on January 15, 2019, 17:07
http://www.youtube.com/v/IxOSI6l4C7A&fs=1
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: malsound on January 15, 2019, 17:37
http://www.youtube.com/v/XNNU47nXQN0&fs=1
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: malsound on January 15, 2019, 18:06
http://www.youtube.com/v/LmPcrxup8Nc&fs=1
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: malsound on March 15, 2019, 23:45
http://www.youtube.com/v/cYlSV-knU0U&fs=1
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: malsound on March 16, 2019, 07:35
http://www.youtube.com/v/vMqjte2S0Fs&fs=1
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: malsound on March 22, 2019, 20:40
http://www.youtube.com/v/3rKE-qTAcvU&fs=1
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: malsound on April 17, 2019, 16:50
Oh dear Andrew seem to be having vitiligo.

http://www.youtube.com/v/w7NQF-r9uek&fs=1
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: reno77 on April 18, 2019, 12:33
Oh dear Andrew seem to be having vitiligo.

http://www.youtube.com/v/w7NQF-r9uek&fs=1

No oh :( .
He's sacrificed so much so that our ears could be free

(http://noaudiophile.com/ELAC_B5/SirJones.jpg)
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: malsound on April 20, 2019, 19:43
http://www.youtube.com/v/wsxfZMx3jh4&fs=1
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: malsound on April 23, 2019, 07:04

https://darko.audio/2019/04/andrew-jones-on-the-realities-of-loudspeaker-design/

Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: malsound on April 24, 2019, 16:44
http://www.youtube.com/v/6BO3Sv7v04k&fs=1
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: malsound on April 24, 2019, 19:56
http://www.youtube.com/v/2PPM639BXLM&fs=1
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: malsound on April 27, 2019, 17:16
http://www.youtube.com/v/-mcJh57Cjf4&fs=1
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: malsound on August 04, 2019, 20:58
http://www.youtube.com/v/jw82UKQt_uk&fs=1
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: malsound on August 11, 2019, 22:05
http://www.youtube.com/v/9qtGhOvUQoc&fs=1
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: malsound on August 18, 2019, 21:40
http://www.youtube.com/v/4t-wdP4gISI&fs=1
Title: Re: Andrew Jones from Elac ?
Post by: malsound on September 11, 2019, 20:05
http://www.youtube.com/v/I1_IRpSegPs&fs=1