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Title: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on November 03, 2013, 14:12
Audyssey's proprietary audio calibration featured in most AVR these days truly brings out the best home cinematic auditory experience...But why are there still a lot of home users complaining about the poor audio performance? Chances are you are not doing it correctly. This thread is dedicated to those members using Audyssey for the first time AND those that just can't seem to get it right...

Apart from the obvious that you need to have plug in the microphone (3.5mm) stereo jack into the Setup Mic hole on your Audyssey-built in AVR, you need to ensure the following has to be implemented BEFORE you commence the audio calibration process.

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1) Always use the stock microphone from the AVR. Forget about the so-called professional-grade third party SPL microphone that is suppose to be better in taking the "ping" noise blar blar blar...as such you will get a more accurate reading...Well, then you are in for a rude-awakening...believe it or not, the stock microphone has been pre-calibrated in  the factory for your specific make and model of the AVR. You can't just simply swap a Yamaha calibration microphone and use it on Audyssey-built AVR. The readings taken will not be accurate!

2) There is NO NEED for you to meddle with any of your AVR settings in your PRIOR to the calibration! This may not be clear at first for most, even for the experienced users. You might have read or heard from some AV forum or your friends that you SHOULD set your speakers to "SMALL" and cross-over to "THX-80Hz" etc. Now, you will be asking yourself, do I set it BEFORE or AFTER the calibration? The answer is - "AFTER-CALIBRATION". Even many websites that you visited did not specify this clearly upfront. Well now you know it...All you need to do is to connect the stock Audyssey calibration microphone to the setup mic jack on the AVR and make sure that you are using a camera tripod to ensure that the microphone is properly mounted and firmly planted at your sweet spot - it can be your sofa or recliner.

3) Next adjust the height of the camera tripod to your "normal" seating posture whilst watching a movie. After setting up your mic and adjusted it to appropriate listening height, you will need to ensure that your seat is not too close to the back of the wall. Yes, sadly, if you want accurate readings, you will need to throw away that "WAF" thingy out of the equation. The decision is up to you whether you want to enjoy optimum cinematic sound at your own home or you want to please go for aesthetics...if it is the latter, then I guess you can stop at this stage. The sole reason behind this is to ensure that the SPL reading will not be affected by the room mode anomaly commonly known as the "boundary gain" effect.

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4) Optimal speaker placement and positioning is another key element/aspect that you need to ensure BEFORE you start the calibration process. Depending on your room shapes and sizes, as far as possible...try to position the 5.1/7.1 speaker arrays at an equidistant using the sweet-spot of the center point. Yes, you might have read about the THX or even the Dolby Labs proposed layout of the speakers in a home theater environment...I leave it to you to do that to your best of your ability. I do not see the point of asking you to do something that is BEYOND YOUR CONTROL (i.e. shape and size of your room). So in short, try to ensure the speaker arrays form a "circle" that "surrounds" you...common sense, isn't it?

5) Toe-in your front main left and right speakers at about 30 degrees...DO NOT toe-in too much or else you will limit the "soundstage"...If you dun like arithmetics, then just ensure that the front right and left speakers point at your respective "shoulder-level"...and not your "head". The surround speakers for a 5.1 layout, preferably should be slightly behind your ears. And if you have a Surround Back channels, then it should be placed "out-of-sight" (common-sense)...if you are able to turn your head at a right-angle and could STILL SEE THE SurrBack speakers, then you should consider placing the SurrBack speakers behind your head (idea is to stay out of sight)...it makes no sense if your Surrounds and SurrBack speakers are placed very near to each other! Then you will have a problem with "localizing" the sounds.

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6) After which, ensure that the tweeters of your front main left and right speakers are adjusted (with the help of a speaker stand for bookshelf speakers) are at ear-levels...cannot be too low or too high. In my home theater setup, I have a built-in platform to help me raise my bookshelf speakers at optimal ear-level...so this is something for you to consider especially when you are doing renovation for your home theater room. The center speaker should preferably facing you...if it is placed too low- say at your chest or your tummy level, then you should consider using a door-trap/stopper with an elevated angle to help in "elevating" the speaker drivers to face you. This will make the dialogue more intelligible and ensure more accurate readings.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on November 03, 2013, 16:39
7) During the calibration, Audyssey will by-pass all the DSP and set the volume level at Reference level (usually at 85db level). So you need not worry about whether or not to reset the previous speaker levels, to bypass Bynamic EQ or Volume feature etc...What happens during the Audyssey calibration process is that it will three set of things...setting proper distance, setting correct amplitude of sound level and applying the appropriate correction filters at each frequency levels. Concurrently making necessary adjustments to the speaker cross-over settings and roll-over frequency for each and every speakers in the array. For the subwoofer, by ensuring that you set the Low-Pass Filter (LPF) to the highest point in your AVR setting helps to ensure that none of the highest frequency will be sent to the subwoofer. What we want is only the low frequency (LFE) to process by the subwoofer.

 8) During the calibration, Audyssey allows you to calibrate to as many as up to 8 listening positions in your room to ensure every seat gets its own unique "sweet-spot"...Well, this is easier said than done. If you only have one seat, then it is very easy. But if you have two rows of seats and placed at different locations and worse not at equidistant from the ideal listening layout, then you are going to have a problem. What Audyssey does is do do "averaging" for the various sound spots. And yes, it is a lot of "guess-work" involved with some heavy-duty arithmetic processing by Audyssey here. Over the years, Audyssey "algorithm or crudely put it - guess-work" has gained significant traction and I must say it is pretty darn accurate. As a rule of thumb, try to have at least 5 - 6 listening positions measured to allow the Audyssey to do a more accurate calibration in this aspect. If you only have one "emperor seat", then minimum of 3 readings should suffice. Just ensure that you turn down any electronics such as Air-conditioning, fan or even your lighting etc off during this process. Make the room as quiet as possible. Audyssey work best when the room is "sufficiently dead"...make a clap around the room (if you have a dedicated HT room) and make sure there isn't any echo or reverberation.

9) After the calibration process is completed. Unplug the microphone. The post-calibration is what most people missed out. What you need to do after the calibration has completed is to go to the audio/speaker settings of your AVR.

Now you need to ensure the following settings has been set:

i) Set the speaker size to small. If there is no option in your AVR setting to set the speaker size to "small", just ensure that the individual speaker cross-over hovers between 60Hz - 100Hz or above. Anything less than 60Hz can be labelled as "Large". The difference between a Large and Small speaker settings is not based on the "looks and built" of the speaker itself but rather how the AVR handles the roll-over of each individual speakers, ensuring the 80Hz and below frequency will be readily re-directed to the subwoofer to reproduce the LFE track of content source. Audyssey, like Dolby Labs recommend that all your speakers to be set at "small" even though you have a very capable tower speakers that are able to handle the LFE very well. So if after the calibration, the cross-over frequency is set to anything less than 60Hz, then it will be sensible for you to adjust the frequency up to 60Hz or higher. I know most enthusiasts will recommend 80Hz to be the ball-park figure to play around with...there is nothing wrong here. Feel free to do just that...BUT please bear in mind that you you should not lower the lower the cross-over frequency lower than your LPF. For instance, if your cross-over for the surround speakers are set at 100Hz. you should not lower it to 80Hz. Instead you should not need to adjust that cross-over setting at all. According to Audyssey, it is perfectly fine to increase the cross-over point but lowering it is not recommended as it will induce what it called, "audio-hole"...in layman terms, there is a "gap" in a particular frequency range that will not be corrected by the correction filters (only present in higher end models with MultEQ XT and MultEQ XT32).

To illustrate this in a more simpler manner:

Cross-over readings after calibration:

Front Left: 40Hz (recommend to adjust upward to 60Hz or higher)
Front Right: 40Hz (recommend to adjust upward to 60Hz or higher)
Center: 70Hz (may remain intact)
Surround Left: 100Hz (do not adjust)
Surround Right: 100Hz (do not adjust)
SurrBack Left: 90Hz (do not adjust)
SurrBack Right: 90Hz (do not adjust)

Q: Why expert recommend 80Hz as the most ideal cross-over?
A: In a nutshell, the human auditory localization worked in mysterious ways..studies shown that anything below 80Hz, the sound will cease to be "directional", the sound becomes harder to "localize" - i.e. it becomes omni-directional. This is commonly referred to as the low-frequency effect (LFE). What we want to achieve is that the high frequency effect will be directed to the speakers for reproduction - "directional" and the LFE will be reproduced by the subwoofer. Such distribution of high and low frequency will help to alleviate some of the speakers in the LFE reproduction...let's face it, not all speakers are designed to do both high and low frequency very well...worse is not all our speakers are using the same make and model...dun even make me start with the Re-EQ and timbre-matching as advocated by THX...The best solution is to direct all LFE to subwoofer to prevent what we call, "double-bass' or "muddy-bass". Of course, I am discounting on the fact that there are times where properly calibrated (using phase control), one may experience an increase in headroom a smoother response. But this is rarely the case, unless your entire 5.1/7.1 systems are of the SAME BRAND. But we all know that SVS, Rythmik, Ken Kiesel etc made better subwoofer than say a matching one like Monitor Audio 5.1 system in a package.

Q: After calibration, Audyssey "recommends" a 40Hz roll-over for my Mains? I dun understand why is that so IF the above argument holds true?!
A: According to Audyssey, the roll-over at 40hz is actually "determined" by the AVR and not Audyssey. During the calibration process, the test tone generation for each speakers "send back" the information to the AVR to set the speaker roll-over at a certain range...based on the speaker capability. If you based your prediction solely on the "looks" like a tower speaker should have a lower roll-over since it is more capable to reproduce LFE at a certain range, then you might be wrong. I can safely say that we can choose to ignore it...As a general rule of thumb, for full range tower and bookshelf speakers, the ideal roll-over should be pegged at 60Hz - 80Hz while for a satellite speakers, it should have a range of 90Hz - 100Hz or higher.

ii) Ensure that the Low Pass Filter (LPF) is set to the highest. In my Onkyo AVR, the highest LPF is set at 120Hz. You may ask what about the LPF knob or switch at the back of the physical subwoofer itself? What does it do? Well, quite frankly, you need not worry about it...you can literally leave that alone. But just to ensure that the subwoofer will "listen" to the command from the AVR, flip the switch or turn the knob to the highest point and leave it there. The LPF switch at the back of the subwoofer is usually meant for 2.1 speaker setup where the stereo preamp may not have a LPF setting built-in. Most of the AVR these days DOES NOT need that as most have LPF setting built-into it.

iii) Ensure that the bass management is properly set in your AVR. Disable any LFE+Main function if you see this. Ensure you only select LFE Only for the bass management (see above for the rationale)

iv) Leave other settings intact - e.g. speaker levels and distance. Don't mess with the distance and the speaker levels or you will indirectly screw up other settings like Audyssey Dynamic EQ.

v) Whilst reviewing the post-calibration results, ensure that the subwoofer level DOES NOT exceed +/-6db. A correctly calibrated subwoofer should have very little need for change to the level (SPL)...This is the reason WHY you need to dial in the subwoofer to be at 75db before the commencement of the calibration process - for newer models. For older model AVR, you need can use a SPL meter to measure the subwoofer sound pressure to be at 75db before commencing the calibration process. If you do not have a SPL meter, then you can adjust the gain knob at the back of your subwoofer to somewhere between 11 o'clock to 1 o'clock. So if the trim values showed an extreme negative figure of say -8 or -10. You probably have your subwoofer's gain knob set too high. Lower it and re-run the calibration.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on November 03, 2013, 16:58
Q: Why is there such a huge difference in the distance measurement for my subwoofer? Did Audyssey screw up?
A: No. Audyssey did not "screw up"...In fact, Audyssey does not actually "measure" distance in its literal sense...what it does is measuring delay in signal that was send over from the speaker or in this case, the subwoofer to the listening position (where the calibration mic is located). The delay is due to the electrical delay inside the subwoofer. Recall when I mentioned that Audyssey uses correction filters? The use of filters will inevitably cause some "delay" in the signal. Hence a longer distance is used to "compensate" that...so it is perfectly normal to see a distance of say 5.5m away from the listening position when in actual fact, the physical distance is approximately 3.5m away. This helps to ensure that LFE complements ALL OTHER SPEAKERS in the array to ensure sound reaches the ears of the listener ALL AT THE SAME TIME.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on November 03, 2013, 17:12
I will post more as we get along - most of the answers can be derived from the Audyssey official website if you bother to read up. I am merely condensing it into more digestible bits for everyone. Of course, most of what was mentioned in this post is based on my own calibration and setup experience over the years. I have tried many auto-calibration feature before but Audyssey still reigns IMO.

Since most of us either own a Denon, Marantz or Onkyo...then I guess this Audyssey tips may come in handy.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on November 03, 2013, 17:19
Just for sharing, Audyssey calibration "interacts" closely with your room modes...it is because of the room modes that is causing the difference in sound quality. What Audyssey tries to achieve here is to deliver the same level of auditory experience you hear in a dedicated showroom or perhaps your friend's setup and deliver it to your home. Whatever settings especially the roll over fq for individual speakers...it is the result of interacting with you room...hence whenever you change some layout in your room such as addition or removal of a piece of furniture or even seating arrangement because you just got yourself a bigger couch...you will need to re-run Audyssey again to ensure optimum sound reproduction for your speakers.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: econav on November 03, 2013, 18:40
You should only do auto Audyssey Calibration in the same setting as your normal movie watching condition , like when you watch with aircon on ? fan on ? room door closed ? curtail closed ? etc etc........ ?


Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: econav on November 03, 2013, 19:01
It does not screw up , but the version in the AVR does hv it limitation ,  freq below 60hz are almost non-directional , sometime those filter can cause confues when pick up by the mic , when given the right condition can make yr sub become localised.

Is hard to believe, even a surround speaker use a over grade cable at the right condition ( when mixed with a wide coverage driver ) can cause loss of directional sound  , but yr audy in the AVR cant measure that.

does Audy measure the whole range of freq from 20-20khz for all the speaker ? what ppl say when select the 3 front speaker is good to hv them in the same range if not brand ?
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: whitesox on November 03, 2013, 19:06
Thanks bro for this valueable tips.

Example:
After calibration completed for subwoofer.
Knob pointing at 9 O'clock
AVR setting : -6.5

I feel my subw is not strong enough to create boom boom bass.

Question:
Do I need to turn my subw knob to 11 O clock or increase AVR setting at 3db higher (-3.5db) ?
Which one would you recommend?

Seeking your opinion bro !  ???
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: econav on November 03, 2013, 19:15
Thanks bro for this valueable tips.

Example:
After calibration completed for subwoofer.
Knob pointing at 9 O'clock
AVR setting : -6.5

I feel my subw is not strong enough to create boom boom bass.

Question:
Do I need to turn my subw knob to 11 O clock or increase AVR setting at 3db higher (-3.5db) ?
Which one would you recommend?

Seeking your opinion bro !  ???


Audy take ref from the internal amp and match yr external sub's level/gain/vol . after cali you should adj the gain from the sub ( single sub ) .
the fact is Audy can do noise measurement , but it cant measure your feeling ;D
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: francishuang on November 03, 2013, 19:38
Peng.. find us a gd processor, that doesnt break our wallet
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: econav on November 03, 2013, 19:52
Peng.. find us a gd processor, that doesnt break our wallet

USE THE PC BASE version
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: rhead on November 04, 2013, 00:52
why do the center always sounds soooooo soft after calibration.??
i always have to increase the db for center and use dynamic volume (light).

anyway when we set the front main speakers to small we also include the center am i right.?

Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: econav on November 04, 2013, 02:49
why do the center always sounds soooooo soft after calibration.??
i always have to increase the db for center and use dynamic volume (light).

anyway when we set the front main speakers to small we also include the center am i right.?


That is another problem for Audy , remember most if not all , your center speaker just infront of a Big pic of glass .
not apply to all AVR. if you do auto let the Audy set it for you , after that you can try to change to your likin as after the auto, you are not changing any curve or freq eq but only the roll off that yr speaker may respone better as inside most speaker have a Xover and a roll off slope and a lot of time this mis-match cause some issue to match up with the sub and you could get a thin sounding voice or overly warm .
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: Santosh on November 04, 2013, 07:10
Thanks..These tips are very helpful..

Pls advise on the following also:

1. How to calibrate Two subwoofers connected from a single preout of AVR using Y connector?  Switch both subs ON?
2. When to use the antimode (if in use) to calibrate the Subs? Before audyssey calibration or after that ?
3. If the subs are of THX type, how to set the subs prior to calibrate.? THX mode?

Thanks
San
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on November 04, 2013, 07:27
why do the center always sounds soooooo soft after calibration.??
i always have to increase the db for center and use dynamic volume (light).

anyway when we set the front main speakers to small we also include the center am i right.?



Hi rhead, I am not surprised that you are having this center channel "too-soft" issue...as many home theater enthusiasts have experienced it at some point in time after the calibration. For me, there is NEVER AN ISSUE with the center dialogue. And nope, I did not engage in any Dynamic Volume as it will not yield good results...trust me, I have personally use it one time and abhor it! And you should not use that as far as possible.

For your problem, there are a few things you can try...but before that need to ask you a few questions:

Q1) Are the front left and right speakers the SAME MAKE as your center speaker?

Q2) How did you position your center speaker?

Q3) Did you do a "reference test" using either a SPL meter to measure and ensure that the pink noise (test tone) emanated from the AVR is about the same sound level? Do the "level" (or volume) sound uniform whilst cycling between the front left/right and center speakers?


Recall that I mentioned about bringing your speakers at ear-level? This is ESPECIALLY important for the LCR. For the surrounds and surround backs, the concept at ear level need not be followed as after all, there are meant for "surround effects"...for the most part, the main SOUNDSTAGE lies with the LCR (Front left/right and Center speaker). So if you center speaker is placed too low - say at your chest level, try to use something to elevate the angle to point towards you. If you pay close attention, almost all home theater setup have one or two common things or should I say "sight"...the center speaker is ALWAYS NOT AT THE IDEAL HEIGHT owing to the big TV/Projector screen...nobody want the center speaker to "block" the view, I get it. But that is a compromise here..So you can try out the following:

Solution 1: Elevate the center speaker to point at you.

Solution 2: Move your seating position further away from the screen, so that the center speaker points at you directly. And yes, you have to re-run the calibration again.

Solution 3: If moving your seating position is not possible due to space constraints, perhaps you can consider "elevating" the screen or your TV higher so that you can bring up the center speaker to ear-level. I know you neck is going to be strained...then adjust your recliner chair to a height where you can just lay-back at a comfortable angle. If you dun have a recliner chair, then you should consider getting one.


By the way, it is okay to increase the center speaker volume by a few dbs hotter than the rest. Remember getting the LCR right is crucial in a typical 5.1/7.1 setup. Next comes the subwoofer. With these two things solved...I guarantee you will get the best home cinematic experience of your life time.

Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on November 04, 2013, 07:37
Another interesting note to share, if you are using Audyssey calibration, then you SHOULD CONSIDER using Audyssey DSX for your movies...it will make optimize your listening experience by using Audyssey proprietary DSP...make sense? Of course, if you prefer to use Straight decoding to get DTS-HS MSTR or Dolby TrueHD, I see no problem with that as well...but I preferred Audyssey DSX for movie watching experience. try it if you haven't done so already.

Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on November 04, 2013, 07:53
Thanks..These tips are very helpful..

Pls advise on the following also:

1. How to calibrate Two subwoofers connected from a single preout of AVR using Y connector?  Switch both subs ON?
2. When to use the antimode (if in use) to calibrate the Subs? Before audyssey calibration or after that ?
3. If the subs are of THX type, how to set the subs prior to calibrate.? THX mode?

Thanks
San

Hi Santosh, it all boils down to what make, model (year of manufacture) and the version of your Audyssey program in your AVR. If you have a dual subwoofer setup, the first thing Audyssey will do is to calibrate the subwoofer to get 75db level before commencing the calibration. I DO NOT own two subwoofers as it is a rather tricky concept to apply...but the benefits will be enormous if properly tuned in as it will yield a smoother bass response and increase the headroom as opposed to one subwoofer setup.

As for the Anti Mode 8033 DSP, I will suggest you run the Anti mode DSP first then proceed to run the Audyssey calibration. During the calibration, you should leave it "on". This will help to ensure that the correction filters by the Audyssey will be applied uniformly across the board.

If the subwoofer is THX type, then set it to THX AFTER the calibration as I mentioned in the previous posts.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on November 04, 2013, 07:56
Thanks bro for this valueable tips.

Example:
After calibration completed for subwoofer.
Knob pointing at 9 O'clock
AVR setting : -6.5

I feel my subw is not strong enough to create boom boom bass.

Question:
Do I need to turn my subw knob to 11 O clock or increase AVR setting at 3db higher (-3.5db) ?
Which one would you recommend?

Seeking your opinion bro !  ???


At -6.5db...the Audyssey thinks that your subwoofer is running very "hot" - too high in gain...BUT when I look at your gain knob on the subwoofer, it says 9 o'clock?! That's too low IMO...something is not right here...you should re-run the calibration process one more time if I were you.

And are you using MultEQ XT/XT32? or Multi 2EQ? The latter is the basic Audyssey program with no correction filters apply...

Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: rhead on November 04, 2013, 11:28
Hi rhead, I am not surprised that you are having this center channel "too-soft" issue...as many home theater enthusiasts have experienced it at some point in time after the calibration. For me, there is NEVER AN ISSUE with the center dialogue. And nope, I did not engage in any Dynamic Volume as it will not yield good results...trust me, I have personally use it one time and abhor it! And you should not use that as far as possible.

For your problem, there are a few things you can try...but before that need to ask you a few questions:

Q1) Are the front left and right speakers the SAME MAKE as your center speaker?

Q2) How did you position your center speaker?

Q3) Did you do a "reference test" using either a SPL meter to measure and ensure that the pink noise (test tone) emanated from the AVR is about the same sound level? Do the "level" (or volume) sound uniform whilst cycling between the front left/right and center speakers?


Recall that I mentioned about bringing your speakers at ear-level? This is ESPECIALLY important for the LCR. For the surrounds and surround backs, the concept at ear level need not be followed as after all, there are meant for "surround effects"...for the most part, the main SOUNDSTAGE lies with the LCR (Front left/right and Center speaker). So if you center speaker is placed too low - say at your chest level, try to use something to elevate the angle to point towards you. If you pay close attention, almost all home theater setup have one or two common things or should I say "sight"...the center speaker is ALWAYS NOT AT THE IDEAL HEIGHT owing to the big TV/Projector screen...nobody want the center speaker to "block" the view, I get it. But that is a compromise here..So you can try out the following:

Solution 1: Elevate the center speaker to point at you.

Solution 2: Move your seating position further away from the screen, so that the center speaker points at you directly. And yes, you have to re-run the calibration again.

Solution 3: If moving your seating position is not possible due to space constraints, perhaps you can consider "elevating" the screen or your TV higher so that you can bring up the center speaker to ear-level. I know you neck is going to be strained...then adjust your recliner chair to a height where you can just lay-back at a comfortable angle. If you dun have a recliner chair, then you should consider getting one.


By the way, it is okay to increase the center speaker volume by a few dbs hotter than the rest. Remember getting the LCR right is crucial in a typical 5.1/7.1 setup. Next comes the subwoofer. With these two things solved...I guarantee you will get the best home cinematic experience of your life time.

Hi Desray,
To answer some of the questions.
1. Yes they are from the same make. Monitor Audio Silver 6.
2. They are facing me jus that they are slightly lower.
3. Have not done that. I will need to go grab 1 SPL Meter.!  :-\

For your solution, will give no 1 a try seems tat is the only feasible one for me..
 ;D ;D

Thanks Desray..!! very helpful..
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: rhead on November 04, 2013, 11:30
That is another problem for Audy , remember most if not all , your center speaker just infront of a Big pic of glass .
not apply to all AVR. if you do auto let the Audy set it for you , after that you can try to change to your likin as after the auto, you are not changing any curve or freq eq but only the roll off that yr speaker may respone better as inside most speaker have a Xover and a roll off slope and a lot of time this mis-match cause some issue to match up with the sub and you could get a thin sounding voice or overly warm .

Thanks Peng. Thats what i did.!anyway the KK 808 is awesome. kicking ass in my home now.. hahahaha
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: mutant on November 04, 2013, 12:24
I have played with 2 versions of Auddysey. The MultiEQ & XT32 version.

 For both, I prefer Music (flat) curve. and for Movies I turn on Dynamic Volume to Light & for concerts I turn off.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on November 04, 2013, 12:41
Great... Everyone can chip in your own Audyssey experience and share it with everyone. We can go on and on about theories... I will rather see results and first hand experience. Keep it coming.

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Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: etnt on November 04, 2013, 13:08
USE THE PC BASE version
You mean Audyssey Pro?
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: mikeang88 on November 04, 2013, 14:16
Hi,

Great summary and steps!

I find that with Audyssey DSX on, the whole setup becomes very front-heavy.

I also found that by measuring at spots with just a little variations even though it's only one seating makes a difference.

Another interesting note to share, if you are using Audyssey calibration, then you SHOULD CONSIDER using Audyssey DSX for your movies...it will make optimize your listening experience by using Audyssey proprietary DSP...make sense? Of course, if you prefer to use Straight decoding to get DTS-HS MSTR or Dolby TrueHD, I see no problem with that as well...but I preferred Audyssey DSX for movie watching experience. try it if you haven't done so already.


Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: chaozhoi on November 04, 2013, 14:35
Personally prefer Neo X over DSX for movies but it might be because I only have front heights and not front wide speakers. I will off it for concert though.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: whitesox on November 04, 2013, 16:33
At -6.5db...the Audyssey thinks that your subwoofer is running very "hot" - too high in gain...BUT when I look at your gain knob on the subwoofer, it says 9 o'clock?! That's too low IMO...something is not right here...you should re-run the calibration process one more time if I were you.


It was pointing at 10.30 previously, result for AVR reading was -13db.
I read from web said if result more then -10db means my subw is too loud than must turn it lower and re-do again that's why I recal again.

Reduced gain at my subw, pointing to 9 O'clock than get -6.5db
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on November 04, 2013, 18:37
It was pointing at 10.30 previously, result for AVR reading was -13db.
I read from web said if result more than -10db means my subw is too loud than must turn it lower and re-do again that's why I recal again.

Reduced gain at my subw, pointing to 9 O'clock than get -6.5db


Ok...in that case, keep it at the position. There is actually nothing wrong with your subwoofer...there are a myriad of issues concerning the electronic delay inside the subwoofer. If Audyssey thinks that is the value, then stick with it. At -6.5db, for me is considered quite high as I never have such a negative figure before - at least not for my SVS PC12Plus.

From the way I see it, your subwoofer might be too close to the walls or did you place it at the corner of the walls? If this is really the case, you have unwittingly accentuate what we called Boundary Gain...this will register a loud and boomy bass which may lead to a high negative trim values of -6.5 or even higher.

If you AVR has Boundary Gain Compensation (BGC) control, activate it and re-do the calibration and see if it helps. Alternatively you could move the subwoofer a few inches away from the side walls or even relocate the subwoofer to 1/3 of the length of the side wall where you placed the subwoofer. You will be amazed by the "result" just by moving the subwoofer a litte.

If you wanna seek some "adventure", you could try the bass crawl method. It does work as I have try it on my friend's house before.


Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on November 04, 2013, 18:38
Personally prefer Neo X over DSX for movies but it might be because I only have front heights and not front wide speakers. I will off it for concert though.

Again there is nothing wrong...DSX processing can also apply to Height speakers as well in case you are not aware.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: joamonte on November 04, 2013, 19:42
No matter how good the auto calibration is, it is still machine only, so remember to do a sound compare of the  auto calibrated end result vs EQ bypass / manually measure distance to speaker...

I never able to get the surround effect right in a few customer place using those auto calibration thing built in AVR,  end up often manually calibrate give better sound and effect .... Maybe those customer do not know how to do the calibration correctly...

....actually use ear to do final adjustment of all speaker SPL setting is quite easy after you got the reference SPL of all speaker from the auto calibration , base on my personal limited experience on the a few customer HT system...

 :)

Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on November 04, 2013, 19:47
No matter how good the auto calibration is, it is still machine only, so remember to do a sound compare of the  auto calibrated end result vs EQ bypass / manually measure distance to speaker...

I never able to get the surround effect right in a few customer place using those auto calibration thing built in AVR,  end up often manually calibrate give better sound and effect .... Maybe those customer do not know how to do the calibration correctly...

....actually use ear to do final adjustment of all speaker SPL setting is quite easy after you got the reference SPL of all speaker from the auto calibration , base on my personal limited experience on the a few customer HT system...

 :)



Agreed! :)
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: chaozhoi on November 04, 2013, 23:11
Again there is nothing wrong...DSX processing can also apply to Height speakers as well in case you are not aware.


will be ordering some small and cheapo speakers from taobao to try out front wide configurations and up my current 5.1+heights to 5.1+heights+wide. Perhaps adding the wides will yield different results.

BTW, any particular favourite demo scenes you guys use to compare between PLIIz, DSX and NeoX? Something good that brings out the heights and wide effects to recommend?
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on November 05, 2013, 07:36
will be ordering some small and cheapo speakers from taobao to try out front wide configurations and up my current 5.1+heights to 5.1+heights+wide. Perhaps adding the wides will yield different results.

BTW, any particular favourite demo scenes you guys use to compare between PLIIz, DSX and NeoX? Something good that brings out the heights and wide effects to recommend?

The Ratatouille scene where there is rainfall and thunder claps...its in one of my demo discs.
And of course anything with planes flyby etc...
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: whyeme on November 05, 2013, 09:44
Planes 2013 has good planes fly by sound steering.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: whitesox on November 06, 2013, 09:37
Ok...in that case, keep it at the position. There is actually nothing wrong with your subwoofer...there are a myriad of issues concerning the electronic delay inside the subwoofer. If Audyssey thinks that is the value, then stick with it. At -6.5db, for me is considered quite high as I never have such a negative figure before - at least not for my SVS PC12Plus.

From the way I see it, your subwoofer might be too close to the walls or did you place it at the corner of the walls? If this is really the case, you have unwittingly accentuate what we called Boundary Gain...this will register a loud and boomy bass which may lead to a high negative trim values of -6.5 or even higher.


Appreciate for your advise. Thank you  :)
Hmmm.... you are really expert in this subw setting bro that's why your guessing is right.
Yes... I placed it too close to the walls partly because my HT room is not big enough.

As we know, usually we can increse gain/vol for center speaker or surr channels in AVR speaker setting.
so I wonder who is controling who in subw loudness between knob gain (subw) and values in AVR speaker setting?

Examples:
... After calibration ...
AVR value for subw: -6.5db
knob subw pointing at 10 O clock

What will be different (effects) between these two scenarios?

Scenario 1:
AVR value for subw: -6.5db  --> - 2.5 db
knob subw pointing at 10 O clock --> 8 O'clock

Scenario 2:
AVR value for subw: -6.5db  --> - 8.5 db
knob subw pointing at 10 O clock --> 12 O'clock

Hear your opinions soon


Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: chaozhoi on November 06, 2013, 11:25
Can your scenarios be applied to stereo setup? e.g.

Scenario 1:
Preamp knob 9 o'clock  to power amp knob 3 o'clock (for power amps with gain knobs)

Scenario 2:
Preamp knob 11 o'clock to power amp knob 12 o'clock given that they are the same volume using measure with a meter.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on November 06, 2013, 11:48
Appreciate for your advise. Thank you  :)
Hmmm.... you are really expert in this subw setting bro that's why your guessing is right.
Yes... I placed it too close to the walls partly because my HT room is not big enough.

As we know, usually we can increse gain/vol for center speaker or surr channels in AVR speaker setting.
so I wonder who is controling who in subw loudness between knob gain (subw) and values in AVR speaker setting?

Examples:
... After calibration ...
AVR value for subw: -6.5db
knob subw pointing at 10 O clock

What will be different (effects) between these two scenarios?

Scenario 1:
AVR value for subw: -6.5db  --> - 2.5 db
knob subw pointing at 10 O clock --> 8 O'clock

Scenario 2:
AVR value for subw: -6.5db  --> - 8.5 db
knob subw pointing at 10 O clock --> 12 O'clock

Hear your opinions soon


Its not about whether the loudness can or should be controlled by either the subwoofer gain knob OR the AVR trim settings...its ALL ABOUT ACHIEVING A UNIFORM sound pressure level (SPL) across the speaker array - i.e. 5.1/7.1 or even 7.2/9.2 if you have dual subwoofer. The physical gain knob on the subwoofer provides you with a means to increase or decrease the SPL level to match the required decibel PRIOR to the calibration process...Once you achieve that, you can literally leave the gain knob alone.

During the calibration process, the trim values will change due to the changes in the electronic delay in the signals of your subwoofer and the correction filter apply at certain range of frequencies. That is why it is important to get the subwoofer's SPL right so that the variation, if any will not be that great. Any vast or minor variation in the trim values is the direct result of the Audyssey calibration "interacting" with the room mode you have. In short, there is NO DIFFERENCE between the two scenarios you just described above...As a rule of thumb, it is prudent for the trim values in the post calibration to hover between the band of +/-3db.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on November 06, 2013, 11:53
Can your scenarios be applied to stereo setup? e.g.

Scenario 1:
Preamp knob 9 o'clock  to power amp knob 3 o'clock (for power amps with gain knobs)

Scenario 2:
Preamp knob 11 o'clock to power amp knob 12 o'clock given that they are the same volume using measure with a meter.

I dun think Audyssey calibration will yield any DRAMATIC effect on 2-channel setup IMO. FWIW, using your ear as a yard stick to pair your speakers with a subwoofer will be a better choice. If you are a purist, you will want to have a separate subwoofer for your stereo setup instead of using the same subwoofer...if you want a more finesse control over it.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: chaozhoi on November 06, 2013, 17:24
My problem for the auto calibration will be my bass shaker. I am using a Y- splitter for my sub and bass shaker. So the normal calibration will usually result in about -8.5db for LFE. So I will have to increase the LFE from my receiver and turn down the knob on my sub to allow more gain for the bass shaker. As for the loudness and overall LFE feel, that is agar agar from my feeling and ears le.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: chaozhoi on November 06, 2013, 17:28
will using a SPL meter in my case help to balance up all the adjustments made after calibration?
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on November 06, 2013, 17:58
My problem for the auto calibration will be my bass shaker. I am using a Y- splitter for my sub and bass shaker. So the normal calibration will usually result in about -8.5db for LFE. So I will have to increase the LFE from my receiver and turn down the knob on my sub to allow more gain for the bass shaker. As for the loudness and overall LFE feel, that is agar agar from my feeling and ears le.

I too,  am u using a bass shaker. What you did was incorrect.  You should connect the bass shaker signal to a separate stereo amp that allows you to arbitrary adjust the gain of the shiok-ness for your bass shaker. I am also using a Y - splitter to split the LFE signal.

Sent from Sony Xperia Z Ultra using Tapatalk
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: chaozhoi on November 06, 2013, 18:43
Yeah, I'm doing that. But apparently my stereo amp seems too weak to 'shake' them at -8.5db even with maxed out volume knob. What stereo amp are you using for the shakers? Do you use any crossovers to cut off those higher frequencies for the shakers? I think my stereo amp is only 20w/chan.. but i can spare out an output from my power amp though
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on November 06, 2013, 23:09
Yeah, I'm doing that. But apparently my stereo amp seems too weak to 'shake' them at -8.5db even with maxed out volume knob. What stereo amp are you using for the shakers? Do you use any crossovers to cut off those higher frequencies for the shakers? I think my stereo amp is only 20w/chan.. but i can spare out an output from my power amp though

I'm using a Tangent stereo preamplifier AMP-200 to power up the bass shakers...

(http://www.tangent-audio.com/media/Tangent/11352/amp200_black_front.jpg)

More than enough juice to spruce up the shakes...
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: whitesox on November 07, 2013, 08:47
I too,  am u using a bass shaker. What you did was incorrect.  You should connect the bass shaker signal to a separate stereo amp that allows you to arbitrary adjust the gain of the shiok-ness for your bass shaker. I am also using a Y - splitter to split the LFE signal.

Sent from Sony Xperia Z Ultra using Tapatalk

What is bass shaker and where can I buy it?
If I want to add in bass shaker but I don't use (don't have) separate amp so can I use Y-adaptor?

Where and how to put this bass shaker? I wonder whether it will make my room boomy or too "bassy"?
Sorry to ask so many questions coz I am excited to know more....  ;D
Title: Here's a link on tes100s
Post by: desray on November 07, 2013, 08:51
What is bass shaker and where can I buy it?
If I want to add in bass shaker but I don't use (don't have) separate amp so can I use Y-adaptor?

Where and how to put this bass shaker?
Sorry to ask so many questions coz I am excited to know more....  ;D

Do a search in this forum for info. Type in words like 'aura bass shakers' or 'tactile transducers'... Or just' bass shakers' for more info.

http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=38356.0

Check this out....

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Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: chaozhoi on November 07, 2013, 09:47
it's simply a vibrator to your chair/bed/sofa or anything u sit on
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: NatX on November 07, 2013, 16:24
Hey guys, just like to know if any of you know who can do Audyssey Pro calibration in Singapore? Or do we have to import the pro installer kit ourselves?
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: etnt on November 08, 2013, 07:43
Hey guys, just like to know if any of you know who can do Audyssey Pro calibration in Singapore? Or do we have to import the pro installer kit ourselves?
Enter your zipcode here http://www.audyssey.com/technologies/multeq/multeq-pro (works for SG) or you can get the kit from Sound Decisions.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: etnt on November 20, 2013, 09:15
Saw this on AVS and thought it was quite relevant, especially for those who adjust their channel levels post calibration

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1492820/official-psa-triax-thread/1980#post_23970832

Quote
If you're using the receiver's internal test noise signals to check the levels post-Audyssey, you should be aware that Audyssey's Room Correction EQ filters are inactive when the test signals are played. The boosts and cuts invoked by the EQ will not be accounted for in the test signal measurements. Therefore, measuring the levels with the internal test signals and an SPL meter is an inaccurate way to check the levels, (assuming you actually plan to use the Audyssey's Room Correction EQ's.) Your level calibration will be incorrect if you do this.

If you want to accurately check the levels post-Audyssey, you need to use external test noise signals such as those found on the 5.1 Audio Toolkit: http://www.gold-line.com/51atdvd.htm or Avia, http://www.amazon.com/AVIA-II-Guide-Home-Theater/dp/B000XGM6R6 which you can also rent from NetFlix. Then make sure Audyssey's Room Correction is active while playing the test signals. Then you also need to find the proper correction factor for your specific SPL meter. (See this thread: http://www.avsforum.com/t/505236/spl-meter-correction-tables)
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: finind on December 22, 2013, 20:17
Planes 2013 has good planes fly by sound steering.

wonder if is possible to describe what's the difference with and without front wide with this movie  ;D
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: chaozhoi on December 22, 2013, 22:49
i watched Planes with front wide few days back. I find that particularly those scenes where by the plane flew from left to right or the other way will tend to sound like they flew 'further' out
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on December 22, 2013, 22:57
The order of preference when engaging in Audyssey DSX modes will be Wide speaker setup then followed by Height speaker setup. The use of BOTH usually will not yield best results based on my own experience. If you have properly calibrated your speaker setup,  you will find that Wide speakers widen the sound stage and it is especially good for concert and music based sources while height speaker setup,  if properly setup will provide you a sense of depth, especially in scenes where airplanes flyby,  bullets whizzing from a height or even thunder claps or falling rain drops from the sky. Experiment and see which setup suits you best.

Sent from my Galaxy Note 3

Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: mutant on December 23, 2013, 18:49
The order of preference when engaging in Audyssey DSX modes will be Wide speaker setup then followed by Height speaker setup. The use of BOTH usually will not yield best results based on my own experience. If you have properly calibrated your speaker setup,  you will find that Wide speakers widen the sound stage and it is especially good for concert and music based sources while height speaker setup,  if properly setup will provide you a sense of depth, especially in scenes where airplanes flyby,  bullets whizzing from a height or even thunder claps or falling rain drops from the sky. Experiment and see which setup suits you best.

Sent from my Galaxy Note 3

For typical HDB bedroom size, Height is more practical than Width. Especially the new BTOs where the bedrooms even smaller.  :(
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on December 29, 2013, 14:08
Setting the Low Pass Filter (LPF)

This is something which I find it quite interesting. Most of the recommended setting is to set it at 120hz and just leave it intact. I just discovered that this LPF at 120Hz is not mandatory and it is NOT a standard or calibration means set forth by Audyssey. All these times, I have this misconception that LPF at 120Hz is pre-determined by Audyssey during calibration. I guess I am wrong on that.

Case in point, have you ever wondered if LPF @120Hz is always the preferred choice - and we should leave it in tact, then why the heck are there so many frequency settings associated with it...and I thought I do some googling to find out more...and it turns out that some of the top designers of subwoofer and even movie makers and sound designers actually preferred a LPF of 80Hz over the "preferred" choice of 120Hz...and their explanation is rather "scintillating"...what they are advocating is that in the past, 80Hz (coincidentally the preferred crossover recommended by THX but has nothing whatsoever to do with speaker crossover though) was the band limiter for most Hollywood blockbuster movies like Jurassic Park and Apollo 13 in the 90s. As time goes by and as we stepped into the digital domain era of bluray and HDMI (with bigger bandwidth as opposed to Optical TOSKlink connection), the LPF has increased to 120Hz. So if this is TRUE, then AVR in the 90s probably have LPF set at 80Hz than the current 120Hz. Any old timer can confirm on this?

Anyway back to the LPF choice of 80Hz and 120Hz, like I mentioned earlier, some of the big-names in audio and movie industry actually preferred 80Hz as based on their experience, it is more tamed and made the bass sound tighter and more accurate albeit a drop in loudness (gain). So it may be good for 2-channel setup lovers...So if you prefer "loud" bass, you should stick with 120Hz and there is no need for you to change it but if you think that there is too much "boominess" in your setup and you prefer more "refined" and tighter bass, you may want to set the LPF to 80Hz for a try...

It is very subjective BUT the results has proven that there is INDEED sonic differences in the bass response. So perhaps if you are looking for that elusive mid-bass, you may wanna give 80Hz a try...perhaps it will tend to benefit concert bluray more than it benefit movies. Experiment with it and tell me your experience. :)
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: chaozhoi on December 29, 2013, 22:29
does it mean that we can actually change to 80hz and increase some gain on the subwoofer to get tight bass yet not sacrificing loudness?
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: etnt on December 30, 2013, 16:43
You mean the LPF for LFE setting? I believe in setting it to the highest available.

If the sound engineer decided to encode content into that .1 channel, I want to hear all that he intended to let the audience experience.

If he decided to cut it off at 80hz, then fine, even setting the LPF at 120hz does not make a diff.

http://www.homecinemaguru.com/confusing-lfe-of-lpf-with-bass-management/
https://audyssey.zendesk.com/entries/321931-LPF-on-LFE
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on December 30, 2013, 17:48
does it mean that we can actually change to 80hz and increase some gain on the subwoofer to get tight bass yet not sacrificing loudness?

That's not the right way to do it...the change in LPF for LFE does not change the "loudness" in terms of SPL readings...but rather the "feel" I am referring to. But then again, there is NO RIGHT OR WRONG way of doing it, the key is experiment between the 2 settings...see which one do you prefer. I do agree that setting to the highest LPF available is the safest in this regard.

What I understand is most Hollywood movies rollover is at 80Hz, so anything beyond that may not necessarily be any more beneficial. By default, 120Hz is usually the default rollover and considered the SAFEST setting to prevent any "loss of LFE" encoded in the movie or intended by the studio. For my Denon AVR-X4000, the LPF can go as high as 250Hz. It was this extra-ordinary high LPF settings that sets me off googling for more info.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on December 30, 2013, 17:49
You mean the LPF for LFE setting? I believe in setting it to the highest available.

If the sound engineer decided to encode content into that .1 channel, I want to hear all that he intended to let the audience experience.

If he decided to cut it off at 80hz, then fine, even setting the LPF at 120hz does not make a diff.

http://www.homecinemaguru.com/confusing-lfe-of-lpf-with-bass-management/
https://audyssey.zendesk.com/entries/321931-LPF-on-LFE

Yes that is correct.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: etnt on December 31, 2013, 05:37
I feel that it has to do with the sub too.

On the old SVS, setting it high would result in the occasional boominess during action sequences, and well, I assumed that's normal, since that's my first proper sub

After changing to KK, the boominess is gone but replaced by tight punches, same setting, same show.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: fouker on January 21, 2014, 16:26
Hi all,

I have some questions which may be specific to the sub-woofer that I hope some of you experts can help.

Before the questions, some background - I have read quite a fair bit about Audyssey on AVS Forum as well as this forum before performing the calibration. Still, I can't seem to get the bass right as it does not give the 'impact' whether I'm watching movies or listening to music. For example, when listening to the song 'Just Give Me A Reason' by Pink, I cannot feel the 'Umph' when the bass cuts in right after the vocal interlude (specifically @ 0.48 mins of the song). Or while watching Transformers when Shia LaBeouf sprints through the desert while the Decepticons spray bullets and missiles all over, I can't feel that Bursting and Blowing impact. The bass just feels hollow. When I turn up the volume/loudness on the sub, the bass gets boomy and still gives no impact.

I also can't seem to get a consistent result (different Distance and Levels) when performing the Audyssey setup multiple times. Although the position of the mic (that came with the receiver) may not be exact, I assume the dynamics of the room (and speakers) is the same and the Distance and Levels should not vary significantly but it does in my case.

Now the questions:

1) The attached 'Sub control' image shows what I have done for the sub settings. I tried adjusting the frequency from 80 to 120 Hz for recalibration and there was minimal effect. Is the settings correct?

2) From the 'Layout' image, is the Sub placement unsuitable? This is actually a moot point/question as my carpentry will restrict the Sub's placement to this one position.

3) From the the size of my room, is it possible that my speaker system is too weak/small? Is the poor bass solely attributed to the Sub or does the Front/Center speakers make a difference?
 
4) If the issue is not related to calibration, will adding a 2nd Sub solve the problem?


Appreciate all advise and opinions.


Specs:
Room Size: W5 x L6.5 metres (3 sided wall with the other side exposed to a stairway and walkway)
Receiver: Denon AVR3311
Speakers: Monitor Audio Radius R90HD10


Sub control (connected via Monster MC 400SW-4M High Performance Subwoofer Cable from receiver to 'LFE/Right Input') 
(https://www.diigo.com/item/p/qdpaqbozbspbceqpbzbcpaoqbc)

Layout
(https://www.diigo.com/item/p/qdpaqbozbspbedsbdzbcpapesd)


Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on January 21, 2014, 17:45
Hi all,

I have some questions which may be specific to the sub-woofer that I hope some of you experts can help.

Before the questions, some background - I have read quite a fair bit about Audyssey on AVS Forum as well as this forum before performing the calibration. Still, I can't seem to get the bass right as it does not give the 'impact' whether I'm watching movies or listening to music. For example, when listening to the song 'Just Give Me A Reason' by Pink, I cannot feel the 'Umph' when the bass cuts in right after the vocal interlude (specifically @ 0.48 mins of the song). Or while watching Transformers when Shia LaBeouf sprints through the desert while the Decepticons spray bullets and missiles all over, I can't feel that Bursting and Blowing impact. The bass just feels hollow. When I turn up the volume/loudness on the sub, the bass gets boomy and still gives no impact.

I also can't seem to get a consistent result (different Distance and Levels) when performing the Audyssey setup multiple times. Although the position of the mic (that came with the receiver) may not be exact, I assume the dynamics of the room (and speakers) is the same and the Distance and Levels should not vary significantly but it does in my case.

Now the questions:

1) The attached 'Sub control' image shows what I have done for the sub settings. I tried adjusting the frequency from 80 to 120 Hz for recalibration and there was minimal effect. Is the settings correct?

2) From the 'Layout' image, is the Sub placement unsuitable? This is actually a moot point/question as my carpentry will restrict the Sub's placement to this one position.

3) From the the size of my room, is it possible that my speaker system is too weak/small? Is the poor bass solely attributed to the Sub or does the Front/Center speakers make a difference?
 
4) If the issue is not related to calibration, will adding a 2nd Sub solve the problem?


Appreciate all advise and opinions.


Specs:
Room Size: W5 x L6.5 metres (3 sided wall with the other side exposed to a stairway and walkway)
Receiver: Denon AVR3311
Speakers: Monitor Audio Radius R90HD10


Sub control (connected via Monster MC 400SW-4M High Performance Subwoofer Cable from receiver to 'LFE/Right Input') 
(https://www.diigo.com/item/p/qdpaqbozbspbceqpbzbcpaoqbc)

Layout
(https://www.diigo.com/item/p/qdpaqbozbspbedsbdzbcpapesd)

When I looked at your living room...it is quite "barren". What's the view like from the middle and the rear? Where is your subwoofer? Is it at the extreme right lower corner? I can't figure out from the pic you posted. If this is really the case, then that is probably the root cause of your problem.

May I ask how is the sound from the speakers like? Do they sound equally "hollow" like you felt with the subwoofer? If this is the case then you may want to do something to the arrangement - but we can't comment on that if we dun see the "whole" picture. Just the front shot tells very little.

Just to answer some of the fundamental questions raised by you and what you should do...

1) Tur the Low Pass Filter (LPF) to the extreme right - i.e. 120Hz. Flip the switch on the LPF to 'Off' and let the AVR take over the LPF. To play safe, just turn the knob all the way to 120Hz.

2) Audyssey will usually recommend 120Hz most of the time.

3) Placement of the subwoofer is important, in your case, you have plenty of room to play around, unlike some of us which is confined to a dedicated room which may be rather restrictive in terms of our movement. From the looks of it, your subwoofer looks quite 'portable'...hence you will benefit greatly by using the subwoofer crawl technique. What you need to do is to place the subwoofer on your listening couch or sofa or at your listening position. Then play some bassy scenes or repeated tones, down on your kneel and start crawling...I meant literally crawl...do not stand and walk around. Stop at a place where you tend to hear the loudest but not muffled bass. This is gonna take some patience and sometimes the best position to place your subwoofer may not be the most ideal as it simply ruin your home decor. So its really your choice...some trade-off will be there and it is up to you to decide on what's best for you.

For Audyssey calibration, pls bear in mind that you NEED to use the stock mic that comes with the AVR - This is very very important to get accurate and consistent results. Next, measure as many position as possible WITHIN your listening space. Dun just take readings from one position...instead move the mic around within the listening space allowed so that Audyssey will have enough data to compute a more accurate results for the levels, distance and delays.

One of the contributing reasons why your bass sounded "boomy" and "muddy" is due to the placement...if you placed the subwoofer at a corner, this will "attract" boundary gain and make the subwoofer sounded "boomy"...try to move your subwoofer to the middle or 1/3 of the length of your side wall. This will usually yield better result. If your subwoofer sounded "boomy" it will tend to drown out the rest of the speakers, making it less focused. Please try the subwoofer crawling technique first in your case...after spotting the sweetest position for the subwoofer placement, proceed with another round of Audyssey calibration and ensure that you move your mic around the listening area for Audyssey to compute.

Let us know how it goes...

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Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: fouker on January 21, 2014, 18:50

Appreciate the reply desray.

- When I looked at your living room...it is quite "barren". What's the view like from the middle and the rear? Where is your subwoofer? Is it at the extreme right lower corner? I can't figure out from the pic you posted. If this is really the case, then that is probably the root cause of your problem. [/i][/i]
=>  Yes it is barren and yes the Sub is the one at the extreme right lower corner. I dislike clutter and thus the minimalist layout. Does that affect the bass? Here's a couple more pics (below) to show the 'whole picture'. Hope it will clarify.

- May I ask how is the sound from the speakers like? Do they sound equally "hollow" like you felt with the subwoofer? If this is the case then you may want to do something to the arrangement - but we can't comment on that if we dun see the "whole" picture. Just the front shot tells very little.
=> As for the speakers, it sounds pretty good to me. Crisp and clear when playing music like what I expect bookshelf speakers to be but it sounds a little weak when playing movies. I suspect my center speaker may need an upgrade? 

- Flip the switch on the LPF to 'Off' and let the AVR take over the LPF. To play safe, just turn the knob all the way to 120Hz.
=> when you say 'Flip the switch on the LPF to 'Off'', do you mean to switch it to 'IN'? The LPF switch is currently on 'Out/LFE'

- Audyssey will usually recommend 120Hz most of the time.
=> Do you mean Audyssey will tune the Sub to 120Hz after calibration? In my case, Audyssey tunes everything (incl the sub) to 60Hz after calibration all the time. Is this not correct?

- Placement of the subwoofer is important, in your case, you have plenty of room to play around, unlike some of us which is confined to a dedicated room which may be rather restrictive in terms of our movement.
=> while it may look like I have plenty of room, its difficult to reposition the Sub elsewhere considering the power and audio cabling constraints. And like I said earlier, there is a dedicated 'hole' in my carpentry for the placement of the Sub (where it is now) so would be great if we can resolve the issue by keeping the sub in its place...

- For Audyssey calibration, pls bear in mind that you NEED to use the stock mic that comes with the AVR
=> Yes the mic I used for calibration is stock from the AVR and I always use the full 8 positions for calibrations

- One of the contributing reasons why your bass sounded "boomy" and "muddy" is due to the placement
=> The Sub does not sound boomy after calibration. It just sounds flat and have no 'impact'. Its only sounds boomy when I increase the volume/loudness control on the Sub to try to get more impact. I really rather not reposition the Sub if there are other options. Are there?



Layout (rear view)
(https://www.diigo.com/item/p/qdpaqbozbspboqpbpzbcpaqaas)

Layout (side view)
(https://www.diigo.com/item/p/qdpaqbozbspboqpddzbcpaqabc)
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: rayleh on January 21, 2014, 20:01
Look like you have false ceiling so in wall subwoofer may be an option. Also with your space, your current sub seems inadequate. Just my 2 cents worth of opinion as I am only an amateur in term of HT.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on January 21, 2014, 20:46

See my replies in BLUE.


Appreciate the reply desray.


- When I looked at your living room...it is quite "barren". What's the view like from the middle and the rear? Where is your subwoofer? Is it at the extreme right lower corner? I can't figure out from the pic you posted. If this is really the case, then that is probably the root cause of your problem.
=>  Yes it is barren and yes the Sub is the one at the extreme right lower corner. I dislike clutter and thus the minimalist layout. Does that affect the bass? Here's a couple more pics (below) to show the 'whole picture'. Hope it will clarify.
Response: Yes, it does have a huge impact unfortunately. Yours is what I will call (pardon for my bluntness)...a classical "fit for magazine showcase" layout. More often than not, this type of minimalist design concept doesn't go hand in hand with "theater-like sound imaging"...Are you aware that been too "barren", there is too much reflective surfaces in sound which makes pin-point sound imaging very difficult? Adding more furniture in the living room or even a small rug can do "wonders" to the sound quality. Conduct a simple test by standing right in the middle of the room and clap your hands...do you hear some "echo" or reverberation of the clap? If so, you need something tangible to act as absorber...treat the first reflection etc. You will be surprised that the subwoofer and the speakers are closely interconnected when you use Audyssey for calibration.


- May I ask how is the sound from the speakers like? Do they sound equally "hollow" like you felt with the subwoofer? If this is the case then you may want to do something to the arrangement - but we can't comment on that if we dun see the "whole" picture. Just the front shot tells very little.
=> As for the speakers, it sounds pretty good to me. Crisp and clear when playing music like what I expect bookshelf speakers to be but it sounds a little weak when playing movies. I suspect my center speaker may need an upgrade? 
Response: If properly calibrated, your center speaker should perform at its very best.


- Flip the switch on the LPF to 'Off' and let the AVR take over the LPF. To play safe, just turn the knob all the way to 120Hz.
=> when you say 'Flip the switch on the LPF to 'Off'', do you mean to switch it to 'IN'? The LPF switch is currently on 'Out/LFE'
Response: Leave it at 'Out/LPF' - this option allows the AVR to take control of the LPF setting.


- Audyssey will usually recommend 120Hz most of the time.
=> Do you mean Audyssey will tune the Sub to 120Hz after calibration? In my case, Audyssey tunes everything (incl the sub) to 60Hz after calibration all the time. Is this not correct?
Response: Don't get confused here...You've mistaken cross-over of individual speakers to LPF. General rule of thumb, set speakers to small AFTER Audyssey calibration and as far as possible, set all to at least 60Hz or higher. THX 80Hz is a reasonable trade-off for most bookshelf speakers...such as yours. If any of your speakers is tuned to 40Hz, you may want to increase the cross-over to at least 60Hz. Cycle through the Audyssey Audio option and you should be able to see LPF set at 120Hz, if so, leave it.


- Placement of the subwoofer is important, in your case, you have plenty of room to play around, unlike some of us which is confined to a dedicated room which may be rather restrictive in terms of our movement.
=> while it may look like I have plenty of room, its difficult to reposition the Sub elsewhere considering the power and audio cabling constraints. And like I said earlier, there is a dedicated 'hole' in my carpentry for the placement of the Sub (where it is now) so would be great if we can resolve the issue by keeping the sub in its place...
Response: Trust me you have plenty of "room" to re-locate your subwoofer when I say this...unfortunately, elegance does not equate to "great sound". If you can't move the subwoofer, there is no way you are gonna get that kind of "showroom" sound quality.


- For Audyssey calibration, pls bear in mind that you NEED to use the stock mic that comes with the AVR
=> Yes the mic I used for calibration is stock from the AVR and I always use the full 8 positions for calibrations
Response: Good!


- One of the contributing reasons why your bass sounded "boomy" and "muddy" is due to the placement
=> The Sub does not sound boomy after calibration. It just sounds flat and have no 'impact'. Its only sounds boomy when I increase the volume/loudness control on the Sub to try to get more impact. I really rather not reposition the Sub if there are other options. Are there?
Response: There is ONLY so much Audyssey can do for you in terms of calibration...BUT if you find that despite several calibrations been performed and yet still can't get what you want, then the only way is to re-locate the subwoofer. If you ask me whether a dual-sub implementation will help? Then my question to you is...will adding a second subwoofer gonna ruin your aesthetics? If not...good but where do you intend to place? For me, the last sentence, "I really rather not reposition the Sub..." already sealed your fate. You must be prepared to make some "changes" or trade-off in design to accommodate the "sound or bass element" in your setup.


Layout (rear view)
(https://www.diigo.com/item/p/qdpaqbozbspboqpbpzbcpaqaas)


Layout (side view)
(https://www.diigo.com/item/p/qdpaqbozbspboqpddzbcpaqabc)


At the end of the day, it is your call...but at least you know what could go wrong here.

Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: fouker on January 21, 2014, 22:35


Yes there is echo/reverberation when I speak in the room but I thought Audyssey calibration is suppose to take care of that?  ;D

I get your point about the repositioning. There is actually another possible position (see image) at the left side of the console where I could try to position the Sub. Actually, a friend will pass me a Dali Basis 100 sub (for free!) in the next few days. Will do some testing and calibration between the two this weekend (if I can get the necessary cables first!). Hopefully, interchanging between the 2 subs and positions will fix the issue. Read up a little about your recommendation to crawl about to find ideal sub placement and honestly, its something I will probably do as a last resort...   ;)

Now with all these fiddling, at which point of time do we determine if the sub or speakers are not good enough for the room? I've read a fair bit about HT setups and there does not seem to be a hard and fast rule about the type/price of speakers for specific room sizes/types. I'm not looking for really good showroom sound. Just good enough for the beginner enthusiast to feel the 'home cinema' experience.


(https://www.diigo.com/item/p/qdpaqbozbspbsdrrszbcpardcb)
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: fouker on January 21, 2014, 22:41
Look like you have false ceiling so in wall subwoofer may be an option. Also with your space, your current sub seems inadequate. Just my 2 cents worth of opinion as I am only an amateur in term of HT.

I'm not sure I want to spend money on another sub without firmly establishing that my current sub is inadequate. Anyway, Going to get a free Dali Basis 100 from a friend soon. Will see how that works out... :D
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on January 21, 2014, 22:48

Yes there is echo/reverberation when I speak in the room but I thought Audyssey calibration is suppose to take care of that?  ;D

I get your point about the repositioning. There is actually another possible position (see image) at the left side of the console where I could try to position the Sub. Actually, a friend will pass me a Dali Basis 100 sub (for free!) in the next few days. Will do some testing and calibration between the two this weekend (if I can get the necessary cables first!). Hopefully, interchanging between the 2 subs and positions will fix the issue. Read up a little about your recommendation to crawl about to find ideal sub placement and honestly, its something I will probably do as a last resort...   ;)

Now with all these fiddling, at which point of time do we determine if the sub or speakers are not good enough for the room? I've read a fair bit about HT setups and there does not seem to be a hard and fast rule about the type/price of speakers for specific room sizes/types. I'm not looking for really good showroom sound. Just good enough for the beginner enthusiast to feel the 'home cinema' experience.


(https://www.diigo.com/item/p/qdpaqbozbspbsdrrszbcpardcb)

Like I mentioned, Audyssey can ONLY do so much...if your listening environment is already 'flawed'...no amount of calibration can change it...

Define 'good enough' for beginner enthusiasts...if you just want to settle for something 'good enough'...why not spend on a good sound bar since it fits the decor much easier and less work...you see the fact that you know sound bar ain't gonna be good enough to achieve that home cinematic experience tell something that you expect something better, something beyond just merely 'good enough'...my advice is if you have already decided to go full 5.1 speaker setup, make it a worthwhile experience...dun settle for something mediocre as it will be neither here nor there and yet the amount of time and effort invested is so much...do something about it to improve the experience. I know it is not easy and easy for me to say but doing it is totally another thing altogether...it will be a real shame at the end of the day that you are limited by constrains.



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Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: hksj on January 26, 2014, 17:00
Hi Fouker,

After switching to 120hz, can I suggest pulling ur subwoofer out of its compartment to try its it improves the sound? Just move the sub out of its current compartment. I believe any sub is powerful enough for any HDB today. Let me know the results or u can pm me.

Cheers.
Hksj




Hi all,

I have some questions which may be specific to the sub-woofer that I hope some of you experts can help.

Before the questions, some background - I have read quite a fair bit about Audyssey on AVS Forum as well as this forum before performing the calibration. Still, I can't seem to get the bass right as it does not give the 'impact' whether I'm watching movies or listening to music. For example, when listening to the song 'Just Give Me A Reason' by Pink, I cannot feel the 'Umph' when the bass cuts in right after the vocal interlude (specifically @ 0.48 mins of the song). Or while watching Transformers when Shia LaBeouf sprints through the desert while the Decepticons spray bullets and missiles all over, I can't feel that Bursting and Blowing impact. The bass just feels hollow. When I turn up the volume/loudness on the sub, the bass gets boomy and still gives no impact.

I also can't seem to get a consistent result (different Distance and Levels) when performing the Audyssey setup multiple times. Although the position of the mic (that came with the receiver) may not be exact, I assume the dynamics of the room (and speakers) is the same and the Distance and Levels should not vary significantly but it does in my case.

Now the questions:

1) The attached 'Sub control' image shows what I have done for the sub settings. I tried adjusting the frequency from 80 to 120 Hz for recalibration and there was minimal effect. Is the settings correct?

2) From the 'Layout' image, is the Sub placement unsuitable? This is actually a moot point/question as my carpentry will restrict the Sub's placement to this one position.

3) From the the size of my room, is it possible that my speaker system is too weak/small? Is the poor bass solely attributed to the Sub or does the Front/Center speakers make a difference?
 
4) If the issue is not related to calibration, will adding a 2nd Sub solve the problem?


Appreciate all advise and opinions.


Specs:
Room Size: W5 x L6.5 metres (3 sided wall with the other side exposed to a stairway and walkway)
Receiver: Denon AVR3311
Speakers: Monitor Audio Radius R90HD10


Sub control (connected via Monster MC 400SW-4M High Performance Subwoofer Cable from receiver to 'LFE/Right Input') 
(https://www.diigo.com/item/p/qdpaqbozbspbceqpbzbcpaoqbc)

Layout
(https://www.diigo.com/item/p/qdpaqbozbspbedsbdzbcpapesd)
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: c722 on January 26, 2014, 18:37
5m by 6.5m, open stairways at side.... this current set of speakers looks tiny compard to the space... maybe write off this set and change to something more serious ( that includes the sub) ... and the amp (3311, not exactly a powerful amp )

Btw tht fact that you feel hollow when you speak, means your place is in serious need of room treatment. Just curious, you can live with that ( not audio wise but "normally".... You mean you speak with family members with echos ...?)  nothing fanciful for "treatment", just some curtains, carpets, cloth coverings here and there will do
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: synthesis on January 26, 2014, 18:59
I'm afraid the best speaker also won't perform well in that bare room.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on January 26, 2014, 19:29
I can't agreed more with all the bros here...the TS has to make some drastic change to the decor...elegance and style doesn't work hand in hand with Home Theater. Period.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: hksj on January 26, 2014, 22:32
Perhaps consider putting a huge carpet? some paintings?
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: elias1876 on January 27, 2014, 16:27
Hi Everyone,

Would like to seek advice on a problem I encountered with Audyssey calibration on my Onkyo TX-NR709. A week back, I did an auto-calibration with my set-up and it completed all the required step for the full calibration. Yesterday, I replaced the LR front speakers from DefTech ProMonitor 600 to the Studio Monitor 450 and tried to do the Audyssey calibration again, but I'm experiencing some issues just at the step when the program asks you to set the sub (I'm using a ProSub 600) level to a certain dB. There was no pulsing sound not like when I did the calibration a week before. So the calibration mic is just showing 0dB. The program allows me to just click next and it will continue with the detection and set-up to the default listening position. The first speaker Audyssey will try to listen to is the Front Left channel. Again, I face the same problem here - no pulsing sound and the program just stays here, listening for the sound of the front left speaker. I've waited as long as about 15 minutes with no change observed.

The speakers are all working fine when I test them by playing any source on the receiver.

Some things I've tried with no change in the outcome:
- Re-DO the calibration process - did this several times with no change in outcome
- change the wiring of the LR front speakers from:
     AMP L channel > Front Left speaker and same for the right
     to
     AMP Front L channel > sub front L channel in > sub front L channel out > Front Left speaker and same for the right
- reset to factory default
- change speaker settings in the receiver

Tonight, I'm thinking of updating the firmware but before I do this, I wanted to check in this forum if anyone has experienced this before and was able to overcome it. Anyone?

Thanks in advance.
     


Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: whitesox on January 27, 2014, 16:56
Bro,
After we have calibrated and all settings are saved so I wonder how often do we need to re-cal again? after we established all those settings.

Once a year
or
Once for every 6 months?

Will loudness (db gain) become soft over time?
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: chaozhoi on January 27, 2014, 17:06
For me I won't touch it at all unless there's a change in equipment chain like speakers or amps. Sometimes big furniture movement also. Even change cables i also don't re-cal.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: elias1876 on January 27, 2014, 17:16
So any recommendations for my problem above?
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: whitesox on January 27, 2014, 18:25
So any recommendations for my problem above?

Have u checked your mic cal? Is it still working or u use  wrong mic cal
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on January 27, 2014, 20:44
Hi Everyone,

Would like to seek advice on a problem I encountered with Audyssey calibration on my Onkyo TX-NR709. A week back, I did an auto-calibration with my set-up and it completed all the required step for the full calibration. Yesterday, I replaced the LR front speakers from DefTech ProMonitor 600 to the Studio Monitor 450 and tried to do the Audyssey calibration again, but I'm experiencing some issues just at the step when the program asks you to set the sub (I'm using a ProSub 600) level to a certain dB. There was no pulsing sound not like when I did the calibration a week before. So the calibration mic is just showing 0dB. The program allows me to just click next and it will continue with the detection and set-up to the default listening position. The first speaker Audyssey will try to listen to is the Front Left channel. Again, I face the same problem here - no pulsing sound and the program just stays here, listening for the sound of the front left speaker. I've waited as long as about 15 minutes with no change observed.

The speakers are all working fine when I test them by playing any source on the receiver.

Some things I've tried with no change in the outcome:
- Re-DO the calibration process - did this several times with no change in outcome
- change the wiring of the LR front speakers from:
     AMP L channel > Front Left speaker and same for the right
     to
     AMP Front L channel > sub front L channel in > sub front L channel out > Front Left speaker and same for the right
- reset to factory default
- change speaker settings in the receiver

Tonight, I'm thinking of updating the firmware but before I do this, I wanted to check in this forum if anyone has experienced this before and was able to overcome it. Anyone?

Thanks in advance.
     


I believed this is a an isolated case...go and re-do your calibration one more time and I think this time will work. In the most unlikely event that it doesn't, do a soft reboot. Remove the power cord from the AVR and leave it for about 5 mins or so and then re-attach back the power cord. Perform the calibration procedure and see if it works.

Of course, the last step is to perform a hard reset - based on your reply, it seems like you already did that? But whatever the case, pls do it one more time...To reset the microprocessor. Execute the following steps for your TX-NR709 AVR. To do the reset you need to turn the receiver on, then on the front panel of the receiver press and hold the "VCR/DVR" button while doing that press the "STANDBY/ON" button. You will see the word "Clear" in the display screen and the receiver will go into standby mode. Once the receiver goes into standby mode turn it back on and go thru the setup menu for all custom settings.

Hope it helps.


Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on January 27, 2014, 20:46
Bro,
After we have calibrated and all settings are saved so I wonder how often do we need to re-cal again? after we established all those settings.

Once a year
or
Once for every 6 months?

Will loudness (db gain) become soft over time?

There is NO NEED to re-calibrate your speaker setup...unless there is a change in the speakers and relocation of certain piece of furniture or your seating position. If not, no need to perform a recalibration.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: elias1876 on January 28, 2014, 02:16
I believed this is a an isolated case...go and re-do your calibration one more time and I think this time will work. In the most unlikely event that it doesn't, do a soft reboot. Remove the power cord from the AVR and leave it for about 5 mins or so and then re-attach back the power cord. Perform the calibration procedure and see if it works.

Of course, the last step is to perform a hard reset - based on your reply, it seems like you already did that? But whatever the case, pls do it one more time...To reset the microprocessor. Execute the following steps for your TX-NR709 AVR. To do the reset you need to turn the receiver on, then on the front panel of the receiver press and hold the "VCR/DVR" button while doing that press the "STANDBY/ON" button. You will see the word "Clear" in the display screen and the receiver will go into standby mode. Once the receiver goes into standby mode turn it back on and go thru the setup menu for all custom settings.

Hope it helps.

Thanks for the advice. Tried your suggestion, which I've already done previously, but still no success. I also checked my firmware and it is already the latest.

Below is just the second step of the calibration - no sound coming out from the sub and no sound detected by the calibration mic

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-2f4BQf_TORo/Uuahm6lWW_I/AAAAAAAAr54/p24g0zWJwUE/w1096-h822-no/2014+-+1)
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on January 28, 2014, 06:13
That's the very first step in the calibration process and you already can't get past it. Last option, how did u connect your subwoofer to the AVR? Interconnect cable to your subwoofer got check? Did you check the SW PreOut? How many PreOut on the AVR? If two, did u try the other one? When is the last time your subwoofer or in general your Audyssey calibration work? Immediately right before u swap the front mains? Is your subwoofer on? Meaning is there any light indicator that suggest it is switch on or in operation? Did you check the gain knob behind your subwoofer to ensure that it is not accidentally turn to 0 gain? To confirm that the subwoofer is working and not the AVR....Are you able to test it out separately with another stereo amp with SW PreOut etc? The idea is to isolate and conform the problem lies with Audyssey,  the Interconnect that links the subwoofer to the AVR,  the subwoofer itself,  that is causing this problem. If you confirm the subwoofer is working as it still emits LFE in movies or sound tracks u played while still connected to the AVR...Then somewhere or something is indeed very wrong with the Audyssey calibration itself... Despite executing the hard reset which in theory reset the AVR to its factory mode and still the problem persist... It's time to give Hwee Seng a call liao...
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: elias1876 on January 28, 2014, 13:54
Hi desray, I appreciate you taking the time to look into my problem. thank you.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on January 28, 2014, 15:31
Hi desray, I appreciate you taking the time to look into my problem. thank you.

No thanks required...I didn't help much as your problem still exist. I'm at my wits end. Hopefully other bros here with similar type of problem as you can help you.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: 5th Avenue on January 28, 2014, 22:07
Post some pic of your connection/wiring from AVR to speakers & sub.

Some member may be able to spot any connection issue

 ;) ;)
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: econav on January 28, 2014, 23:08
Hi Everyone,

Would like to seek advice on a problem I encountered with Audyssey calibration on my Onkyo TX-NR709. A week back, I did an auto-calibration with my set-up and it completed all the required step for the full calibration. Yesterday, I replaced the LR front speakers from DefTech ProMonitor 600 to the Studio Monitor 450 and tried to do the Audyssey calibration again, but I'm experiencing some issues just at the step when the program asks you to set the sub (I'm using a ProSub 600) level to a certain dB. There was no pulsing sound not like when I did the calibration a week before. So the calibration mic is just showing 0dB. The program allows me to just click next and it will continue with the detection and set-up to the default listening position. The first speaker Audyssey will try to listen to is the Front Left channel. Again, I face the same problem here - no pulsing sound and the program just stays here, listening for the sound of the front left speaker. I've waited as long as about 15 minutes with no change observed.

The speakers are all working fine when I test them by playing any source on the receiver.

Some things I've tried with no change in the outcome:
- Re-DO the calibration process - did this several times with no change in outcome
- change the wiring of the LR front speakers from:
     AMP L channel > Front Left speaker and same for the right
     to
     AMP Front L channel > sub front L channel in > sub front L channel out > Front Left speaker and same for the right
- reset to factory default
- change speaker settings in the receiver

Tonight, I'm thinking of updating the firmware but before I do this, I wanted to check in this forum if anyone has experienced this before and was able to overcome it. Anyone?

Thanks in advance.
     

try using the manual setup and go into speaker level  and cycle thru L > R > C and so no  till it back to the L channel .
1) can you hear test tone come out from all your speaker and sub ? , if so the signal generator still work and if not send to service center.
2) if you can hear all speaker and sub output the test tone , then check you setup mic and ensure it inserted all the way and also check the jack to ensure good contact and try it again .
3) you can also try to unplug and insert if the menu stop there if the contact no good .
4) if you have another even dif brand can try it also or borrow from someone a setup mic to test .
5) if you have a multimeter can test the mic or use a battery to contact the mic and if working it should sound when in contact.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: CASH on January 28, 2014, 23:44
Another thing with onkyo firmware updates, try n do master reset
for each update.. it clears off every setting though...
cumbersome if u ask me..
but it solves lots of issues...
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: elias1876 on January 29, 2014, 14:53
Thanks econoav for the support. I stop at your first question.

try using the manual setup and go into speaker level  and cycle thru L > R > C and so no  till it back to the L channel .
1) can you hear test tone come out from all your speaker and sub ? , if so the signal generator still work and if not send to service center.
Manual setup - YES. Test noise can be heard from all the speakers
Audyssey set-up - NO. No test tone coming out from sub and L front channel
2) if you can hear all speaker and sub output the test tone , then check you setup mic and ensure it inserted all the way and also check the jack to ensure good contact and try it again .
3) you can also try to unplug and insert if the menu stop there if the contact no good .
4) if you have another even dif brand can try it also or borrow from someone a setup mic to test .
5) if you have a multimeter can test the mic or use a battery to contact the mic and if working it should sound when in contact.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: econav on January 29, 2014, 15:24
Thanks econoav for the support. I stop at your first question.


ok , wait for your update and good luck.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on February 01, 2014, 21:16
Audyssey coming up with the next iteration of DSX mode called DSX 2...promise to expand stereo sound into multi-channel...Hmmm...

http://www.audyssey.com/news/audyssey-announces-dsx-2-stereo-surround-expansion (http://www.audyssey.com/news/audyssey-announces-dsx-2-stereo-surround-expansion)


(http://www.audyssey.com/sites/default/files/technologies/audyssey_dsx.png)
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: elias1876 on April 16, 2014, 15:30
ok , wait for your update and good luck.


Just to give an update on my issue: After trying so many possible solutions (thanks to the advice of the many helpful people in this forum) without success, I sent my Onkyo receiver to Hwee Seng for diagnosis. From their investigation, they concluded that the HDMI board in my receiver is faulty and they recommended it to be replaced. The initial quote for the replacement was expensive and I told them no thanks, I will just live with the problem. The helpful people of Hwee Seng convinced me though, with a heavy discount, to get it repaired. Long story short, I had it replaced through them and after about 4 weeks, I got my receiver back, the Audyssey calibration issue has been fixed, I'm happy with my sound and all is right with the world. 
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on April 17, 2014, 12:14


Just to give an update on my issue: After trying so many possible solutions (thanks to the advice of the many helpful people in this forum) without success, I sent my Onkyo receiver to Hwee Seng for diagnosis. From their investigation, they concluded that the HDMI board in my receiver is faulty and they recommended it to be replaced. The initial quote for the replacement was expensive and I told them no thanks, I will just live with the problem. The helpful people of Hwee Seng convinced me though, with a heavy discount, to get it repaired. Long story short, I had it replaced through them and after about 4 weeks, I got my receiver back, the Audyssey calibration issue has been fixed, I'm happy with my sound and all is right with the world.

Glad to hear that it all worked out for you.

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Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on April 20, 2014, 13:11
Thought I share this useful crossover setting chart as a rough guide for your post-Audyssey adjustment...It helped me alot.


(http://s713.photobucket.com/albums/ww133/Fmarvast/LargeorSmall.jpg)


 ;)
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on May 04, 2014, 11:53
Something more to share with Audyssey calibration...Something most of us did not even realize it until now.

# Fact 1: Are you aware that the very FIRST calibration point is the most crucial of all the rest of the calibration points after it? In fact, the first calibration point should ALWAYS be at the "sweet-spot" or least where you will be seated 90% of the time when watching a movie! The rest of the listening points AFTER the 1st point will derive its average from the first point. The first point is vital in the sense that it determines the distance, level, delay and even crossover point. So if you placed your calibration mic at a different (say 2nd or even the 3rd sweet-spot) on a 2 -or 3 seater couch, you may want to re-do your calibration one more time for more accurate readings.

# Fact 2: This is more for knowledge but since I discovered it along the way, I thought I might as well share it here. The frequency knob on your physical subwoofer that has the labelling of 40Hz, 50Hz, 60Hz...120Hz is actually not a crossover. That is merely the Low Pass Lifter frequency (LPF) for the subwoofer to match with a non-Audyssey based AVR or Pre/Pro Amp or even a CD player. To qualify for a "crossover", it MUST consist of 2 things, a high pass filter and a low pass filter, as the name implies, high frequency channelled to the speakers and low frequency to the subwoofer...the "frequency knob" on the physical subwoofer only allow LPF and does not have a HPF. In other words, if you allow the Audyssey to take over the calibration process, which also mean the crossover settings (this is the recommended way, hence Audyssey wanted end-user to turn the LPF filter to the highest or the crossover switch to "off" position) will be completely taken over by the AVR during the Audyssey calibration.

# Fact 3: Audyssey is NOT the one responsible for setting your speakers to "Full-range" or 'Large" in some context, it is the AVR manufacturer that sets the threshold determining the how well a speaker is able to handle the high and the low frequency. What Audyssey does during the calibration process is to insert correction filters at different frequency spectrums.

# Fact 4: Are you aware that you should NEVER set a crossover point lower than the default crossover after the Audyssey calibration. For instance, after calibration, Audyssey set the two Mains (Left and Right Speakers) to say 70Hz. You should never attempt to lower the crossover to anything lower than 70 - i.e. 60Hz as this will indirectly create a "null" for the speakers. Rule of thumb is, you can increase the crossover higher and not lower, meaning you can set it to 80Hz - 100Hz and the correction filters will still remain valid.

Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: lewlian on June 03, 2014, 15:05

Can this thread be made sticky. Saves from having to search for it (i know it is on second page now but...)
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: kingajit on June 03, 2014, 15:44
Bro Desray has been doing a fantastic job of explaining the Audyssey calibration and I sincerely thank him for the same.
For the past few years I have been reading a lot of explanations and clarifications from Chris Kyriakakis  who played a major role in the development of Audssey. On the bluray forum one of the moderators called BigDaddy has meticulously gone through various comments and answers given by Chris Kyriakakis  and has compiled a

A GUIDE TO AUDYSSEY AUTO CALIBRATION & OTHER TECHNOLOGIES

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=159948

If you read Bigdaddy's guide it will save you the trouble of reading all of Chris Kyriakakis  posts.

I have been using it for over 3 years and it is really one the best guides available. Pay special attention to comments made under:
- PRELIMINARY PREPARATION
- How to Run MultEQ( in particular point 4) . Personal observation - mic position 1 and mic position 2 if kept the same gives the best/accurate results)
- WHAT YOU SHOULD DO AND WHAT YOU SHOULD NOT DO
- and Reference vs. Preference  By Chris Kyriakakis



 ......enjoy.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: whyeme on June 04, 2014, 20:08
Doing re-calibration tonight! :)
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: DizzyD on July 01, 2014, 23:38
Basic question Bros

After I ran XT32, I realised that my speakers are not calibrated at 75db using the Onkyo pink noise and a RS SPL meter at C weighting.

Can I adjust all 7 speakers to 75db ? Does that screw the XT32 filters etc?

Thanks
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on July 02, 2014, 07:42

Basic question Bros

After I ran XT32, I realised that my speakers are not calibrated at 75db using the Onkyo pink noise and a RS SPL meter at C weighting.

Can I adjust all 7 speakers to 75db ? Does that screw the XT32 filters etc?

Thanks

No need to adjust but if you must, you also can do it to level all to 75db...it will not affect the Audyssey calibration.


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Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: sevenz on July 02, 2014, 23:49
I have a similar basic question too as i just began to use XT32 after getting an AVR with XT32. (thanks to the advice from peng) =)

When the subEQ is doing the sub level matching for two subs, the test tone generated to measure the subs SPL to 75db seems a bit low. So I tried to verify it using REW with calibrated UMIK mic, and running the SPL meter module. The results i gotten was that the SPL reading on REW is about 12-15db lower (ie. reading about 60-63db) when the subEQ on the AVR shows 75db.

Did anyone observe this as well?

Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: econav on July 02, 2014, 23:58
I have a similar basic question too as i just began to use XT32 after getting an AVR with XT32. (thanks to the advice from peng) =)

When the subEQ is doing the sub level matching for two subs, the test tone generated to measure the subs SPL to 75db seems a bit low. So I tried to verify it using REW with calibrated UMIK mic, and running the SPL meter module. The results i gotten was that the SPL reading on REW is about 12-15db lower (ie. reading about 60-63db) when the subEQ on the AVR shows 75db.

Did anyone observe this as well?


Did I tell you if around 85 db just leave it and carry on 8)
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: sevenz on July 03, 2014, 00:15
Did I tell you if around 85 db just leave it and carry on 8)

tried liao sir! ;D Did what u mentioned liao. Also factory reset the AVR, then let room cool down.

What i did was to try Audyssey calibration for the following sub SPLs measured using SubEQ, result was:
75db, -> Audyssey set AVR sub channel volume at -6db
80db, -> Audyssey set AVR sub channel volume at -8db
83db, -> Audyssey set AVR sub channel volume at -10db
85db, -> Audyssey set AVR sub channel volume at -12db
88-90db (kk808 at green dot) -> Audyssey set AVR sub channel volume at -12db
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: econav on July 03, 2014, 00:23
don't go cares too much on the number , so long you getting better result and that make you more ease and happy , am happy for you.
late liao the machine also need sleep hor.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: sevenz on July 03, 2014, 00:54
don't go cares too much on the number , so long you getting better result and that make you more ease and happy , am happy for you.
late liao the machine also need sleep hor.

haha yes agree. After a while, my observations are that the FR and numbers may not mean that much cos important thing is it should sound the best for the familiar movie and music tracks i have.  :)

I used the 83db to calibrate in the end so that the sub channel vol on AVR wont end up at the minimum of -12db. Now playing with dist and phase to  refine. Was also playing with the Audyssey reference offset for concerts to sound the best. Seems like setting it to 10db sounds good for my hillsong & bocelli concerts. hehe

late liao, stop measuring so that machine wont disturb neighbours.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: econav on July 03, 2014, 01:03
haha yes agree. After a while, my observations are that the FR and numbers may not mean that much cos important thing is it should sound the best for the familiar movie and music tracks i have.  :)

I used the 83db to calibrate in the end so that the sub channel vol on AVR wont end up at the minimum of -12db. Now playing with dist and phase to  refine. Was also playing with the Audyssey reference offset for concerts to sound the best. Seems like setting it to 10db sounds good for my hillsong & bocelli concerts. hehe

late liao, stop measuring so that machine wont disturb neighbours.  ;D ;D
Hope that after all this , that song STILL will open up a new page in the meaning of Music.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: DizzyD on July 03, 2014, 17:26
For XT32, do you guys do the minimum 3 positions or 8 positions for calibration?

Thanks
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: Tiktokape on July 03, 2014, 17:32
Do 8 times/positions for my case.


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Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: DizzyD on July 03, 2014, 18:01
Thanks Bro...I will try that and see if everything is more sweet ;D
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: Tiktokape on July 03, 2014, 18:02
It gave me a much detailed output after calibration before you play with subwoofer settings.


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Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: sevenz on July 03, 2014, 23:44
For XT32, do you guys do the minimum 3 positions or 8 positions for calibration?

Thanks

bro Dizzy, i do 8 positions too. I found this at HT shack on some recommended calibration positions, quite an useful read:
http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/audio-processing/68407-audyssey-multeq-faq-setup-guide.html
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: francishuang on July 04, 2014, 00:02
As few positions as possible. I do it at same spot for the mandatory 3 times
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on July 04, 2014, 07:12
For calibration to be more accurate, it is advisable to do ALL 8 positions whenever possible and the FIRST position is the MOST CRUCIAL of all as the first reading will decide pretty much everything from distance, time delay, trims (level) from the MLP. The rest of the readings are taken around the MLP, particularly a 2 or 3-seaters to get the best averaging or rather optimized sound for all the seating positions.

Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: mutant on July 04, 2014, 11:51
For me the 8 positions I do closely within 3 seats parameter, and the height of the mic I plus minus 1-2cm for the 7 positions, except the 1st which is according to my ear height. I will also turn on the projector & aircon while doing it so Audyssey can compensate properly based for my actual usage environment.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: econav on July 04, 2014, 13:55
was not during playback there are audien ? where are they during calibration  ???
After calibration , play thru the test tone for all the speaker in your setup , are they sound the same  ???
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on March 01, 2015, 13:21
Just to add on some pointers for those with 2 seaters...When taking Audyssey calibration, the full set of calibration (all 8 positions) is still recommended and remember that the FIRST POSITION in the Audyssey calibration is EXTREMELY CRUCIAL! For 2 safa-seater or even 2 individual seats with no "middle-ground" - i.e. middle-seat, you should take your first measurement right in the middle of the 2 adjoining seats. DO NOT take a reading from either left or right seat, it will screw up the measurement...review the post calibration values to ensure that the front left and front right are about the same DISTANCE.

Case in point (picture courtesy of wizardofoz)...

(http://walaneh.com/xpl/xpl0467.jpg)

The first measure should be taken right in the middle of the adjoining seats then followed through by left and right so on and forth...



Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: sq13z on March 05, 2015, 09:43
Quick question to verify if I am doing the right thing while calibrating the sub woofer. During the calibration process, I switched the sub KK 808 from auto volume  to 75db manually as stated by the X5200W. After the whole audyssey calibration, the LCR are +2db , surround at +2.5db and sub woofer at -4db.

Do I switch the KK 808 back to auto volume control as recommended?
Is it normal to have 6db difference between sub and speakers and should I reduce the db difference on the sub level?
Thanks for your advise.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on March 06, 2015, 14:22
Quick question to verify if I am doing the right thing while calibrating the sub woofer. During the calibration process, I switched the sub KK 808 from auto volume  to 75db manually as stated by the X5200W. After the whole audyssey calibration, the LCR are +2db , surround at +2.5db and sub woofer at -4db.

Do I switch the KK 808 back to auto volume control as recommended?
Is it normal to have 6db difference between sub and speakers and should I reduce the db difference on the sub level?
Thanks for your advise.
in short, u r fine.

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Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: alvin01 on July 03, 2015, 20:21
Many thanks to desray for setting up this excellent thread.

Just got a Marantz NR1605 and still finding my way around the Audyssey calibration.  My centre speaker sounded soft after the calibration - I found out that this is not uncommon and that it's okay to up the level by a few dBs after calibration.  Dialogue sounds less recessed after having done that and the overall balance of the sound is better.

I have another question:  the advice is to set all speakers to "Small" if you have a subwoofer - is the converse applicable, i.e. if I have no subwoofer, should all my speaker be set to "Large"?  After the Audyssey calibration, my front speakers were set to "Large" and the centre and surround speakers to "Small" (I don't have a subwoofer).  Do I need to set the centre and surround speakers to "Large" as well?

Regards

Alvin

Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on July 03, 2015, 20:56
Many thanks to desray for setting up this excellent thread.

Just got a Marantz NR1605 and still finding my way around the Audyssey calibration.  My centre speaker sounded soft after the calibration - I found out that this is not uncommon and that it's okay to up the level by a few dBs after calibration.  Dialogue sounds less recessed after having done that and the overall balance of the sound is better.

I have another question:  the advice is to set all speakers to "Small" if you have a subwoofer - is the converse applicable, i.e. if I have no subwoofer, should all my speaker be set to "Large"?  After the Audyssey calibration, my front speakers were set to "Large" and the centre and surround speakers to "Small" (I don't have a subwoofer).  Do I need to set the centre and surround speakers to "Large" as well?

Regards

Alvin
First of all, why did you forgo the subwoofer? Space constraint? Anyway without a subwoofer, you should set the mains to Large and Audyssey did that right. If your center speaker has a 5" or bigger driver, you can set it to Large as well, otherwise you can retain the Small setting by the Audyssey.  The same logic applies to your surround speakers.

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Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: alvin01 on July 04, 2015, 13:38
Yes, desray, it's due to space constraints that I haven't included a subwoofer.  Might look at a pre-owned one if I can figure out where to put it.

Thanks for the pointers on the centre and surround speakers - I'll leave them as originally set by Audyssey.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on July 04, 2015, 18:21
Yes, desray, it's due to space constraints that I haven't included a subwoofer.  Might look at a pre-owned one if I can figure out where to put it.

Thanks for the pointers on the centre and surround speakers - I'll leave them as originally set by Audyssey.

You are welcome...if you are looking for a "reasonable" multichannel HT experience, you need a dedicated .1 LFE channel (i.e. Subwoofer)...gosh even a decent Soundbar comes with a dedicated subwoofer (wireless) for that LFE reproduction.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: sigurros on July 04, 2015, 18:37
.2 or .4 better.  ;D
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on July 04, 2015, 18:40
.2 or .4 better.  ;D

It all depends on the "size" of your listening environment. If you have a larger surface area to cover, 2 subwoofers as opposed to one will yield a better even response.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on January 03, 2016, 12:33
Digging up this old thread because I learned something "new" regarding the Audyssey calibration mic today. Recall in the past we do not encourage members to used a different Audyssey mic other than the stock one that has been supplied by the manufacturer lest the readings be inaccurate. It seems that this is no longer the case as early as 2009?! While I'm quite skeptical about this claim but I thought the industry insider should be fairly accurate even though I may think otherwise.

(http://cnet3.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2012/06/19/b5d3d0ff-84cd-11e3-beb9-14feb5ca9861/resize/620x/72e71ecfc2d597f12859a7bf894f5d91/Marantz_NR1403_35315284_02.jpg)

So to my surprise, you can literally borrow or purchase an Audyssey mic circa 2009 - present w/o experiencing any reading bias which is definitely a good thing for those who have "misplaced" your Audyssey calibration mic whilst moving house for instance. :)

Here's the reply I read from the AVSforum: http://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-receivers-amps-processors/1534763-denon-avr-x7200w-9-2-13-2ch-2014-2015-receiver-details-92.html#post40246690 (http://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-receivers-amps-processors/1534763-denon-avr-x7200w-9-2-13-2ch-2014-2015-receiver-details-92.html#post40246690)
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: foxz15 on January 04, 2016, 00:17
Oops ... Thanks bro desray update ... I've just replace my Marantz SR7005 Audyssey mic when it suddenly not working and tested using my Denon AVR4520 mic working perfectly. .. lucky it was the mic down not the AVR .
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on January 04, 2016, 00:19
Oops ... Thanks bro desray update ... I've just replace my Marantz SR7005 Audyssey mic when it suddenly not working and tested using my Denon AVR4520 mic working perfectly. .. lucky it was the mic down not the AVR .
U r welcome... I also learned this today.

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Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: mutant on January 04, 2016, 00:51
Misplaced my mic and purchased a replacement from Ebay as Onkyo dealer here quite slow when I went to get the replacement.
It was stated can use with several brands. Silver in colour versus my ori black.
When I found my ori mic back, tested both, no diff in accuracy.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: the_clairvoyant on January 13, 2016, 22:22
Recently purchased my first HT system, Denon X2200W AVR & Q7000i speakers
Am a total noob and tried out Audyssey twice, but somehow the sound is not ideal. Bass is too heavy, surround speakers are too soft.

This is my home layout:


(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk152/yeeziliang/Audyssey%20Calibration_zpsapeukokv.jpg) (http://s279.photobucket.com/user/yeeziliang/media/Audyssey%20Calibration_zpsapeukokv.jpg.html)

Here are the settings after Audyssey calibration:

(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk152/yeeziliang/get_gallery_image_711267032_zpsch4ryuyq.png) (http://s279.photobucket.com/user/yeeziliang/media/get_gallery_image_711267032_zpsch4ryuyq.png.html)
Distances are not consistent even though my speakers are equidistant


(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk152/yeeziliang/get_gallery_image_336388444_zps3p2ctj3z.png) (http://s279.photobucket.com/user/yeeziliang/media/get_gallery_image_336388444_zps3p2ctj3z.png.html)
Are all the levels negative? Does that explain why I have to crank up the volume?



(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk152/yeeziliang/get_gallery_image_732969872_zpsutpmix2d.png) (http://s279.photobucket.com/user/yeeziliang/media/get_gallery_image_732969872_zpsutpmix2d.png.html)


Hope someone can tell me what went wrong
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: rockzilla on January 13, 2016, 22:36
Your sub volume is too high, try turn the volume knot on your sub to 10 o'clock and redo audyssey setup again.
-12 mean that your audyssey is trying to reduce your sub volume, but -12 is the lowest audyssey can go.
Title: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on January 13, 2016, 23:49
Recently purchased my first HT system, Denon X2200W AVR & Q7000i speakers
Am a total noob and tried out Audyssey twice, but somehow the sound is not ideal. Bass is too heavy, surround speakers are too soft.

This is my home layout:


(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk152/yeeziliang/Audyssey%20Calibration_zpsapeukokv.jpg) (http://s279.photobucket.com/user/yeeziliang/media/Audyssey%20Calibration_zpsapeukokv.jpg.html)

Here are the settings after Audyssey calibration:

(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk152/yeeziliang/get_gallery_image_711267032_zpsch4ryuyq.png) (http://s279.photobucket.com/user/yeeziliang/media/get_gallery_image_711267032_zpsch4ryuyq.png.html)
Distances are not consistent even though my speakers are equidistant


(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk152/yeeziliang/get_gallery_image_336388444_zps3p2ctj3z.png) (http://s279.photobucket.com/user/yeeziliang/media/get_gallery_image_336388444_zps3p2ctj3z.png.html)
Are all the levels negative? Does that explain why I have to crank up the volume?



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Hope someone can tell me what went wrong

I hate to say this...did u follow the steps and advice given in the first page of this thread? Your subwoofer trim values had maxed out...this is not right. Re-do the calibration again...


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Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: the_clairvoyant on January 14, 2016, 01:37
Noted on the sub, will adjust and re calibrate.
How about the levels & distances for the surround speakers? Is it normal that L & R have varying results?
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on January 14, 2016, 07:25
Noted on the sub, will adjust and re calibrate.
How about the levels & distances for the surround speakers? Is it normal that L & R have varying results?

For levels, pls re-do it as your subwoofer trim levels already screwed up...it will affect the rest of the readings as well. As for distance, you claimed that it is pretty equidistant from your main listening position (I assume you did some manual measurements using a measuring tape prior to the calibration), if that is the case, then the values definitely doesn't seem right. To be accurate, the FIRST reading is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT (I can't emphasize that more)...if you have a 2 seater with no "middle" seat, then make a prop or position the mic (PLEASE USE A TRIPOD!) and position it in the center of the listening position. Calibrate as per normal for 8 positions. Move the mic around (with the TRIPOD to maintain accuracy in readings throughout - NEVER hold the mic with your hands when doing the calibration)...make sure to switch off all external sources of noise like a "noisy air-conditioning", close your windows if your house is near to the road side etc...the idea is to "MINIMIZE" noise which may affect the readings.

If you follow these basic steps to the word, you should be able to get accurate readings. And lastly, based on your blue print where you marked the spot as your listening position (located at the back of a wall?), that's not ideal, pls consider to move the couch or sofa at least 3 ft away from any adjacent wall.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: whitesox on January 14, 2016, 08:54
Digging up this old thread because I learned something "new" regarding the Audyssey calibration mic today. Recall in the past we do not encourage members to used a different Audyssey mic other than the stock one that has been supplied by the manufacturer lest the readings be inaccurate. It seems that this is no longer the case as early as 2009?! While I'm quite skeptical about this claim but I thought the industry insider should be fairly accurate even though I may think otherwise.

(http://cnet3.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2012/06/19/b5d3d0ff-84cd-11e3-beb9-14feb5ca9861/resize/620x/72e71ecfc2d597f12859a7bf894f5d91/Marantz_NR1403_35315284_02.jpg)

So to my surprise, you can literally borrow or purchase an Audyssey mic circa 2009 - present w/o experiencing any reading bias which is definitely a good thing for those who have "misplaced" your Audyssey calibration mic whilst moving house for instance. :)

Here's the reply I read from the AVSforum: http://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-receivers-amps-processors/1534763-denon-avr-x7200w-9-2-13-2ch-2014-2015-receiver-details-92.html#post40246690 (http://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-receivers-amps-processors/1534763-denon-avr-x7200w-9-2-13-2ch-2014-2015-receiver-details-92.html#post40246690)

Bro Des,
I always keep my Audyssey microphone inside ESD bag and store inside my dry cabinet.
All these are to prevent static and high %RH which will affect the sensitivity of microphone.

I do have two different shapes of microphone... There are round and tower shape (both) from ONKYO-AVR.
Both shapes are using cylinder electret microphone with different sensitivity response and THD level.

Previously I used wrong mic (supposedly tower but I used round).
During calibration, when AVR making pink sound.. It sounded very loud (un-usual) and failed calibration!
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: whitesox on January 14, 2016, 09:08
Noted on the sub, will adjust and re calibrate.
How about the levels & distances for the surround speakers? Is it normal that L & R have varying results?

Usually I will use test tone in my AVR then measure my subwoofer (use apps from android market).
I like to make it slightly louder around 77dbspl (turn knob around 9:30) before calibration begin.
75 db is too soft.
Sure I will get minus reading around 1 db but It is fine

It will be better don't adjust the delay for subw after calibration (usually longer distance for sub).
Other channels will be quite close when we measure by measuring tape. You can increase few db gain higher for centre channel and/or surr up to your desire.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: ALTK on January 14, 2016, 11:49

Distances are not consistent even though my speakers are equidistant


Could be speakers out of phase. Double check spkr cable connection to make sure Red(+) to Red(+) and Black(-) to Black(-) on both AVR end and speakers end.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: whitesox on January 14, 2016, 15:18
Could be speakers out of phase. Double check spkr cable connection to make sure Red(+) to Red(+) and Black(-) to Black(-) on both AVR end and speakers end.

Hi bro ALTK
Is it possible if colour code of speaker (black/red) is correct but connection to speaker coil is wrong?
then will Audyssey smart enough to detect (stop making pink noise)?
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: mutant on January 14, 2016, 22:52
Me usually use the normal type of camera tripod for the mic. Recently, me using a small gorilla-pod type of tripod which is better. It can position closer to listener ear position .The smaller-than-the mic base won't distort any sound reflection also.

(http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq2/Mutant_Yep/20151226_000715.jpg)
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: ALTK on January 15, 2016, 00:04
Hi bro ALTK
Is it possible if colour code of speaker (black/red) is correct but connection to speaker coil is wrong?
then will Audyssey smart enough to detect (stop making pink noise)?

Quite unlikely so long as speakers are original without modification. Don't think so got manufacturer so blur ba?!  ;D

Audyssey will still play ping noise but may not be able to provide accurate measurement if speaker is out of phase.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: Jag on January 15, 2016, 09:14
About Audyssey detecting phase errors, just verify that the speaker cables are wired correctly on both speakers.

If the room is untreated or near a back wall, audyssey could be picking up reflections and that causes false phase errors.

If you are 101% sure they are wired in phase, ignore audyssey's phase error and move on.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: Jag on January 15, 2016, 09:18
Also, Audyssey distance is not 100% fool proof. It will get you close 80% there. If you want perfect, use a tape measure and correct the difference between the LCR.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: kzone on January 15, 2016, 09:21
Isnt the Audyssey distance an "electronic distance" where it considers how long it takes each speaker to send sound to the mike to determine distance? and not the actual physical distance?
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: bluepill193 on January 15, 2016, 11:11
But when Audyssey detects phase error it won't allow you to continue isn't it?
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: Jag on January 15, 2016, 11:13
Audyssey calculates distance by detecting the delay between transmission of the pulses to the moment of receiving the pulses. However, in an echoey environment, the pulses get less defined and thus distance detection becomes less accurate.

As a result, MLPs near walls and reflective listening rooms may confuse Audyssey. When that happens, human verification is needed.

The bottom line is understand the underlying technology and you will know what the limitations are.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: Jag on January 15, 2016, 11:14
But when Audyssey detects phase error it won't allow you to continue isn't it?

Of course Audyssey allows you to continue! Audyssey themselves know of this limitation, that's why they allow you to override and continue the calibration process.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: whitesox on January 15, 2016, 11:22
Audyssey calculates distance by detecting the delay between transmission of the pulses to the moment of receiving the pulses. However, in an echoey environment, the pulses get less defined and thus distance detection becomes less accurate.

As a result, MLPs near walls and reflective listening rooms may confuse Audyssey. When that happens, human verification is needed.

The bottom line is understand the underlying technology and you will know what the limitations are.

How about... We use (calibration result electronically + measuring tape for distance manually) / 2

 ;D

Isnt the Audyssey distance an "electronic distance" where it considers how long it takes each speaker to send sound to the mike to determine distance? and not the actual physical distance?
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: Jag on January 15, 2016, 11:30
You could average Audyssey and tape measure results, but I wouldn't do that.

I would physically measure the LCR and key in those distances AFTER Audyssey calibration. Audyssey wrongly calculated and L&R distances and that different distance resulted in an off-center stereo image. After I manually input my own physical measurements, the stereo image locked right into place.

I left the distances for all the other surround speakers as is because I felt surround speakers are less crucial. I'll tackle that when I'm free one day.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on January 15, 2016, 17:21
Jag is right about the distances set by Audyssey. Sometimes, if the room is too barren or due to some asymmetrical design of the room or awkward seating arrangement, it will cause the distances to go out by a large tangent. In that case, manually keying in the distance will be a viable option.

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Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: 2willow on January 17, 2016, 08:49
What determines if the speaker is small or large or full (I thought I saw this option?)?  Is it the power, actual size, frequency response?

Reason I am asking is that I have NHT VT-1C and VS2 satellites, which are larger (with 2 woofers each) than most bookshelves but the freq is above 80Hz.  So should they be small or large?
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: Jag on January 17, 2016, 09:34
Set all speakers to small. This speaker size settings really should be renamed as "bass management on or off."

Setting to small diverts bass signals from that speaker to the best speaker designed to handle bass, that is the subwoofer. 

Even with any speaker that can handle deep bass, I still recommend the speaker size to be set as small.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: 2willow on January 17, 2016, 14:10
Shouldn't the shunting of bass signals be better controlled thru the xover control on the AVR?  Confusing...
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: Jag on January 17, 2016, 16:17
Speaker size setting enables or disables bass re-direction.

Crossover setting sets the frequency to re-direct the bass at.

Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: 2willow on January 18, 2016, 10:02
thanks!!! :D :D :D lots to learn
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: Jackass on January 26, 2016, 04:52
Hi folks,

I'm still getting to grips with Audy,
If I have my crossovers say set at 100 Hz, as I understand it all bass below this is directed to the LFE bass channel, subwoofer.

If I have my LPF LFE set at 80hz, all sound above this is cut at the subwoofer,
Will there be a hole in the sound between 80 and 100 Hz?

If so what is the best settings?

Audy stated:
Mains and centre be at 110 hz (was thinking of lowering these to 80 hz)
Surrounds were stated at 110hz
Front heights at 110 hz
Rear heights at 80hz (thought this was a bit low compared to others)

I have QACoustic 3020 fronts, 3090 centre, 3010s on surrounds and heights, 3070s sub.
Title: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on January 26, 2016, 07:48
Hi folks,

I'm still getting to grips with Audy,
If I have my crossovers say set at 100 Hz, as I understand it all bass below this is directed to the LFE bass channel, subwoofer.

If I have my LPF LFE set at 80hz, all sound above this is cut at the subwoofer,
Will there be a hole in the sound between 80 and 100 Hz?

If so what is the best settings?

Audy stated:
Mains and centre be at 110 hz (was thinking of lowering these to 80 hz)
Surrounds were stated at 110hz
Front heights at 110 hz
Rear heights at 80hz (thought this was a bit low compared to others)

I have QACoustic 3020 fronts, 3090 centre, 3010s on surrounds and heights, 3070s sub.

LPF should always be set at 120Hz. This has to do with the bass content of majority of the Hollywood films these days.

Based on the footprint of your speakers, it makes perfect sense that the crossover is set at a higher crossover since the speakers can't really reproduce LFE effectively. I would not recommend lowering the crossover of the Mains to 80Hz if you intend to use Audyssey for movie watching.


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Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: Jackass on January 27, 2016, 01:48
Great, thank you for the tip, have changed the settings  :)
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on March 11, 2016, 11:54
Requests from members to make this thread sticky. So here goes...

Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on June 19, 2016, 17:48
I got wind of it that the latest D&M models coming out this year will have the ability to apply "custom" target curve (aka house curve) through the use of an app. Yep, you heard it right! An mobile app (to be made available to Android and iOS) later this year.

Here's an excerpt of a FB chat transcripts between Chris (Audyssey) and some of the Audyssey users:

Dennis Feiler: What I understand from this tweet is: The new generation (and only the new) will have XT32 but without Pro. Instead there will be an audyssey app.

Chris Kyriakakis: The new app will only work with this year’s (and forward) models. It provides the ability to customize target curves, save them, and share them with others. It’s the year of Preference!

Jan Van Ham: So then XT32 would get customizable target-curves ? Don't see the advantage of sharing though, no 2 rooms are the same.

Chris Kyriakakis: Yes customizable target curves. The target curves represent the desired sound and are not related to the room. They are personal preference. So two people with different rooms could calibrate their rooms to sound "the same" despite the original acoustic differences.

Darryl Chereshkoff: Chris does "customizable target curves" mean that I will be able to limit the EQ to either a pre-set or infinite setting? In other words will I be able to tell Audyssey not to EQ anything above 200-500hz?

Chris Kyriakakis: Yes, after 12 years I finally gave in...

Darryl Chereshkoff: Awesome news for me at least!

This will be good news for those who wanted to do add a "house curve" AFTER the Audyssey calibration. All these while, Audyssey have been advocating Reference and now they finally also giving users more flexibility for "Preference" to be exercised.  ;D
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: marcusdeming on July 14, 2016, 23:31
Desray, I have a question about the calibration. I did another round of calibration in my system and everything remain the same except now both subs are on platforms. Did a 8 point calibration, but before I proceed any further to do the phase tuning I notice a few things:

1. The subs are at -6.5, -7, sw level matching was done at I managed to keep them at 73, in the green zone. Any reason or possible things that I might have missed out.

2. The front Atmos are at +9.5,+10, is this normal?


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Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: mutant on August 10, 2016, 00:20
Me using a player based test tone, but when I tried to adjust the speakers Level trim, my Marantz 7010 Avr will play the internal test tone instead, could not disable it. So I could not adjust the Level while looking at my sound meter as the internal test tone take over it. ?
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: whitesox on August 10, 2016, 10:04
.....
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-2f4BQf_TORo/Uuahm6lWW_I/AAAAAAAAr54/p24g0zWJwUE/w1096-h822-no/2014+-+1)

I am still puzzled for gain setting on my 3x of 12"subwoofers.

My current 12" subwoofers position (diagonally placed) :
   1x in front (Right)
   2x behind sofa (Left) – side by side
 
I usually set the knob gain around 9 O'clock
During the Audyssey check (from AVR -see photo), I can get at 77 dB individually.
 
   1x in front (Right)      :  77 db
   2x behind sofa (Left):   77 db/individually but it will get 80 db when both ON... (showed phase is correct)
 
Do I need to trim down those two rear subwoofers (behind sofa) by lowering gain knob so it can produce 74 db/individually but both will match front subw at 77db ?
Or
I should stick to 77db/each although both rear subw will get 80 db when operating (become un-match to front single subwoofer at 77db )?
 
2nd Q:
Example:  each subwoofer measured at 75 db for its loudness individually.
You have two subwoofers (side by side), measurement become 78db to MLP.
I wonder, will I hear the same loudness for single subw vs. dual subwoofers ?
 ???

Looking forward to hear your opinions.
 :)
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: Jag on August 12, 2016, 08:14
Look at your co-located subs at the back as 1 big sub. Have both of them measure the same as the front.

2nd Q: dual subs will be louder for sure when placed side by side.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: joamonte on September 13, 2016, 14:23
I just did my 1st Auto Audyssey Cal after Desray workshop , usually I like to do the HT Cal manually because most of the time my customer Audyssey cal result are not too accurate, so this is the first time I try to use the Auto Cal since my AVR have the  funtion ...... Just to share some of my thought, I think in my system it is very useful at some aspect but at same time we still need some adjustment after the auto CAL.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v241/joamonte/image_zpsfrdaes7a.jpeg)

below are the measurement result .
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v241/joamonte/image_zpshenfzedg.jpeg)

the distance is quite close to actual , it is a little different from the measurement tape maybe due to the Andy measurement is base on wider MLA  ,I did some fine tune at the center seat after listening by setting the side surround distance further , as I feel the side surround's sound is too away from my preference.

I often experience unequal distance aut Cal result of L and R channel at my customer place, but it is quite accurate in my place maybe due to my symmetrical and acoustically treated room.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v241/joamonte/image_zps8cjbqcwa.jpeg)

the L and R Front , Side and back surround SPL it quite close too , the result show Right Speaker sound louder is due to my MLP left side have some strong bass standing wave (due to the air tight heavy sound proof door on the left side , on the right side is a light weight sliding door to kitchen hence some of the bass is leaking in to the kitchen) ........ the mic cannot detach the louder bass is coming from the left of MLP instead it thought that Right side is louder (because it is omni directional, so it is picking out stronger signal when playing Front Right signal) so Anduyssey increase the Right level by 1 dB , which is incorrect IMO , reason is at 300hz to 20Khz the L and R level is the same (base on my REW measurement )
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v241/joamonte/image_zps9frufqt9.jpeg)

I also did some adjustment of the level of Front L and R after listening to a few movie, I increase both to +1 dB as I feel it give a more balance front and surround sound level , do note maybe it is because I am not using any center speaker.

all other Channel I also set the Left and right channel to the same SPL too , some how I feel I get more stable and coherence imaging after the adjustment.

As mention to Desray that day, I would still prefer to set the distance and Level (especially front L and C) to be equal manually , the reason is because due to most of the non symmetrical room (of L and R wall).... the computer in the AVR could be easily "fool" by the environment reflection and give different distance result, but human ear will be able to recognize the sound are from the speaker or form the reflection, as long as seating distance is at the center of L and R , modern equipment should not produce different L and R level  (different loudness at L and R)
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: joamonte on September 13, 2016, 15:10
What I found most useful of the Audyssey Cal is the multi channel EQ function , we all know the different brand of speaker and different location in the room give different Frequency response no matter how flat you speaker anechoic measurement are , but the multi Channel Calibration do all 7 or 9 channel's EQ by just pressing a few button , we can measure each speaker one by one and use the built in graphic EQ of the AVR to match the tone of all speaker , but the process is slowwwwww and might take many working hours to complete....with the help of Audyssey EQ32 , it only take less than 20 mins to complete the process , thumb up! 

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v241/joamonte/image_zpsbsktpazl.jpeg)
front L and C show what I mention in last post, the AVR thought R side is louder due to the strong REAR Left corner bass standing wave when it measure Front R signal , so it reduce more bass on the R channel in its EQ
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v241/joamonte/image_zpszha096rw.jpeg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v241/joamonte/image_zpsimmtx1rs.jpeg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v241/joamonte/image_zpslydftxnx.jpeg)

my surround speaker are all different brand , so it is not surprise to see the EQ are quite different , but I am glad that my work on room acoustic treatment help to maintain very close measurement result of Left and Right channel regardless it is front side , back or top surround .
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: bluepill193 on September 14, 2016, 16:12
Bro which Marantz AVR/Processor are u using? How to bring up this EQ menu?
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: tane0019 on September 14, 2016, 17:11
Ya lor, first time I see this graphic rep of SPL vs Freq curve in an AVR.  Which Marantz model ah ??
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: joamonte on September 14, 2016, 17:38
Marantz 6010

It is in Audyssey setup-> check result

Note that when change the EQ setting between reference and flat, the graphic EQ result on high frequency change too

Would be interesting to see the result of other's system
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: Jag on September 14, 2016, 19:11
Joa, you don't have center speaker?
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: joamonte on September 14, 2016, 19:19
Joa, you don't have center speaker?

I have already brought a set of additional JBL LCR,  but never connect.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: Jag on September 14, 2016, 20:50
Here's mine.

(https://c6.staticflickr.com/9/8130/29593881381_6b8e9966f5_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/M67nUa)

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8374/29048706584_1b36f2e8b7_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/LfWdqG)

(https://c5.staticflickr.com/9/8130/29384406820_b55c82866d_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/LLALpN)

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8477/29048708464_7fc10c37d7_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/LfWdZ7)

(https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7513/29593882051_c670792f92_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/M67o6H)

(https://c5.staticflickr.com/9/8196/29564075892_4b11335c6a_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/M3tBLq)
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: joamonte on September 15, 2016, 01:48
Jag, Audyssey don't do EQ on LFE/subwoofer?
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: Jag on September 15, 2016, 06:59
Audyssey doesn't show the EQ settings for the sub even thou EQ is applied.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: joamonte on September 15, 2016, 11:32
Audyssey doesn't show the EQ settings for the sub even thou EQ is applied.

funny , why they don't show it...

Anyway just some observation , my guess is the measurements show your front L and R is not toe in hence the calibration EQing have to incresae 4 KHz and above to compensate the off axis high frequency roll off , while the center speaker is on axis , response is flatter , so it remain almost untouched from 300 Hz and above (other then the high frequency Audyssey reference roll off curve) , but it seem the position at center also cause some mid bass boost below 300 hz , which need a cut to reduce the boudary gain effect.

So what I learn from the calibration is even same brand of speaker do have some different when place at different position , and to match it some different EQ on individual speaker is need.

Also judging from the slight different EQ pattern below 300 Hz , I think some part of your room is not  symmetrical right?
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: Jag on September 15, 2016, 13:57
My L and R are toe'ed in. Only thing is that the L & R and all the other surround speakers are voiced for music by Martin Logan. Which is why all the speakers (excl center) have a slight 2-3db boost at 4khz. Center speaker is designed for HT, so it's voiced differently for better voice clarity.

Center below 300hz is probably due to boundary, but it's not a major issue.

Acoustics of a room will make a speaker sound drastically differently when placed at different parts of the room.

If you can, REW your setup. Audyssey tells us the EQ used, but REW will tell what is the resulting response is like.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: joamonte on September 15, 2016, 14:04
My L and R are toe'ed in. Only thing is that the L & R and all the other surround speakers are voiced for music by Martin Logan. Which is why all the speakers (excl center) have a slight 2-3db boost at 4khz. Center speaker is designed for HT, so it's voiced differently for better voice clarity.

Center below 300hz is probably due to boundary, but it's not a major issue.

Acoustics of a room will make a speaker sound drastically differently when placed at different parts of the room.

If you can, REW your setup. Audyssey tells us the EQ used, but REW will tell what is the resulting response is like.

May I know what is the model of your main LR speaker ?
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: joamonte on September 15, 2016, 14:21
Looking at the photo again I think I see the electrostatic panel , usually the dipole speaker have very narrow horizontal dispersion , below is the measurement of the Martin Logan Montis , as we can see the on axis responce is quite flat, but the high frequency above 300 Hz roll off quite sharply after 25 degree....typical polar pattern of dipolar speaker.

(http://cdn.stereophile.com/images/912Montisfig4.jpg)

I am fully agree that on axis listening for music is quite bad experiences most of the time , unless is 360 degree speaker like what I am using now, every listening seat is on axis, haha.. ;D
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: Jag on September 15, 2016, 20:17
Better to measure on REW, rather to guess the combined effects of room acoustics, speaker placement, amplifier response, cinema EQ.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: Jag on September 16, 2016, 00:33
Audyssey for some reason used wrong EQ on my center. Audyssey introduced a -10+dB EQ at ~100hz thus causing Center to be weak at that freq. REW measurements confirm this dip. I'm not sure why audy did this, but this neg EQ shouldn't be used.


REW measurements indeed show that this EQ was probably unnecessary. As a result, this caused my center to cross over much higher (~150hz)  than the L&R (~80hz). Note that my Center can go down to ~70hz, but audyssey EQ until cross-over at 150hz. Still dunno why... ??? ??? ???

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8374/29048706584_1b36f2e8b7_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/LfWdqG)

Green = Left, Red = Right, Blue = Center
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/9/8531/29619245201_a1a57b429a_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/M8mnFp)


Very clearly, REW measurements confirm the detrimental effects of new EQ by Audy on the center. I wish Audy was a bit more customisable in allowing me to adjust the EQ settings. Otherwise, I could easily avoid the unnecessary neg EQ that resulted in a high cross-over center speaker.

Despite this minor issue, Audy did a more of a good job in getting the LCRs to be level match and frequency response matched. The entire FR is within a 89dB +/-4dB window, measured from my MLP. That is a very tight window! Which is why most folks that come over regularly remark that the sonic timbre really match all across the LCRs and surrounds.

Joa, I recommend to REW your setup. Don't solely rely on Audy EQ screen (newbie mistake). Make REW measurements because that is the true final result and base next improvement steps from REW. Measurements from a proper meas mic is more accurate, repeatable and can show the final "good / not good" verdict.

PS: I prefer to use "Direct" when I want to listen to audiophile. Resolution of subtle music detail is far better when in direct mode. Audyssey's additional DSP processing destroys those subtleties. But Audy is very very good in HT.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: joamonte on September 16, 2016, 02:39
Wow...center cross at 150hz, that is ready too high.

I recheck my Audyssey EQing , seem most adjustment not more than +- 5 dB ( other than the back surround, which is hide inside a wall cabinet.)

I will use check the result with REW when I have the time..... Need to use a laptop with HDMI out and do the configuration, being using a 2 channel sound card with analog out  all the while.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: wechnivag on September 16, 2016, 19:14
Are you guys using Denon AVR? I used to be able to see the EQ applied by audyssey on my previous Denon AVR, but now Onkyo AVR doesn't show it anymore.

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Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: joamonte on September 16, 2016, 20:28
I am using Marantz , almost the same as Denon.

BTW Jag, there are a way to adjust the EQ in AVR , by turning off the Audyssey and use the graphic EQ in the manual setting of the AVR , if I do the REW measurement I will try use the graphic EQ to set up all the speaker , but it is simply too time consuming to do it individually on all speaker , and the built in graphic EQ is not as refine and Audyssey one.....

 
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: Jag on September 16, 2016, 20:34
As rightly said, the GEQ is not as powerful as Audyssey's EQ. Audyssey EQ operates in both frequency and time domain.... Far far superior than just a regular GEQ.

Choosing between GEQ and Audyssey, I'd rather go with Audyssey.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: wechnivag on September 18, 2016, 11:47
Is audyssey pro able to set the target curve manually with full flexibility, or within a few selectable option? Most user would prefer slightly hotter bass than a flat curve as Jag has described in his calibration.

What I have been doing via minidsp, is to set a flat EQ,  run audyssey, then add in the bass boost after audyssey, as a workaround. It adds a few extra steps to the whole process.

Is that the best way to do it? Any experience with audyssey Pro license?

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Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: Jag on September 18, 2016, 21:25
My freq response charts doesn't include subwoofer response.

Audyssey pro offers some target curve customization, but not a lot. Put audy pro out of your mind for good. It's overpriced, limits flexibility, and outdated.

The best way to get a house curve is to go with an outboard EQ for sub, and on-board audy for mains. The next generation of Audyssey will offer customized house curve.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: sevenz on September 18, 2016, 22:34
Joa, I recommend to REW your setup. Don't solely rely on Audy EQ screen (newbie mistake). Make REW measurements because that is the true final result and base next improvement steps from REW. Measurements from a proper meas mic is more accurate, repeatable and can show the final "good / not good" verdict.


agreed too with Jag on the usefulness of REW. Then u will really SEE what are the problems and can take more effective steps to minimize them, esp the bass. 

Just learn the basic functions is good enough
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: Bbos37 on September 20, 2016, 07:19
I got wind of it that the latest D&M models coming out this year will have the ability to apply "custom" target curve (aka house curve) through the use of an app. Yep, you heard it right! An mobile app (to be made available to Android and iOS) later this year.

Here's an excerpt of a FB chat transcripts between Chris (Audyssey) and some of the Audyssey users:

Dennis Feiler: What I understand from this tweet is: The new generation (and only the new) will have XT32 but without Pro. Instead there will be an audyssey app.

Chris Kyriakakis: The new app will only work with this year’s (and forward) models. It provides the ability to customize target curves, save them, and share them with others. It’s the year of Preference!

Jan Van Ham: So then XT32 would get customizable target-curves ? Don't see the advantage of sharing though, no 2 rooms are the same.

Chris Kyriakakis: Yes customizable target curves. The target curves represent the desired sound and are not related to the room. They are personal preference. So two people with different rooms could calibrate their rooms to sound "the same" despite the original acoustic differences.

Darryl Chereshkoff: Chris does "customizable target curves" mean that I will be able to limit the EQ to either a pre-set or infinite setting? In other words will I be able to tell Audyssey not to EQ anything above 200-500hz?

Chris Kyriakakis: Yes, after 12 years I finally gave in...

Darryl Chereshkoff: Awesome news for me at least!

This will be good news for those who wanted to do add a "house curve" AFTER the Audyssey calibration. All these while, Audyssey have been advocating Reference and now they finally also giving users more flexibility for "Preference" to be exercised.  ;D
But so far looking at the spec given for 6300 and 4300, there is mention about this feature.


Bbos37
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on September 20, 2016, 13:14
But so far looking at the spec given for 6300 and 4300, there is mention about this feature.


Bbos37
It's one thing to say that Audyssey have the means and another when AVR manufacturers decide on another. Hehe

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Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: Bbos37 on September 21, 2016, 09:29
It's one thing to say that Audyssey have the means and another when AVR manufacturers decide on another. Hehe

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I guess we will have to wait and see.


Bbos37
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: Bbos37 on September 21, 2016, 09:31
I also wonder if this feature will be available for 7200 as a firmware upgrade.


Bbos37
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: mutant on October 17, 2016, 20:27
Redo my calibration after quite sometime.
Did 8 position but this time in a more tighter position; for my 3 seater, the outermost left and right mic positions are closer by 7-8 inches.
And make sure the long mic wire is not tangled up. And using a small tv monitor that I usually use when listening to music instead of turning on the projector (to reduce fan noise interference).
Verdict. Sound very slightly more pleasant to the ears. Happy.

Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: ahduck on December 12, 2016, 16:12
Sorry to ask this noob question.
I did attend the Audyssey session many moons ago and followed as many advice as possible.
However if during that time, if the speakers and subwoofer is new (even my cables and power cord were new too) Is it necessary to re-calibrate Audyssey again?
And or reset AVR to factory and punch in everything from start as there are 2-3 updates ever since. (Just like format PC to clear unwanted cache)

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Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: foxz15 on December 12, 2016, 19:19
Hi bro ahduck, need to redo Audyssey calibration again when u have new speakers or Subwoofers and (cable:. just me) even cable that can make any changes to sound quality ... best to do so ...

(Just me, everytime when i'm redo calibration) U can still do factory reset before doing calibration just to make sure everything start from fresh.

Enjoy bro ahduck
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: ahduck on December 12, 2016, 20:30
Hi bro ahduck, need to redo Audyssey calibration again when u have new speakers or Subwoofers and (cable:. just me) even cable that can make any changes to sound quality ... best to do so ...

(Just me, everytime when i'm redo calibration) U can still do factory reset before doing calibration just to make sure everything start from fresh.

Enjoy bro ahduck
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on December 16, 2016, 17:58
Apologies as i never explain properly.
I actually meant after running in/ burning in eg. new speakers, subwoofer, cables and power cord etc. need to re-calibrate?
I ask this is due to that I feel that the sub now seems tighter and more punchy. Thus not sure whether to re-run Audyssey again.

No need...leave it.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: ahduck on December 17, 2016, 14:02


No need...leave it.

Thanks des for the advice.
Actually wanted to do it last night, but my attention was switch to the new Oppo player and just now foxz15 ask me to check you reply which I missed..
Thanks a lot..

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Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on December 17, 2016, 17:19
Q: When do I need to do re-calibration?
A: A member asked whether there is a need to re-do a calibration AFTER a period of time since there is some discernible difference to the sound after a "break-in" period. So do we go ahead and do it? Well...On the contrary, if you are experiencing "better sound" AFTER the Audyssey calibration is completed. It only goes to show that the drivers and the cones of the speakers and/or subwoofers have "break-in". There is no need to do any calibration since you did not change any equipment, move your speakers or your seating arrangement. Unless any of the 3 things I mentioned been realised, then a re-calibration is required. BUT having say that, there is NOTHING WRONG if one decide to re-do the calibration. Unless you are addicted to "calibration", short answer is, there is no need. Hope it is clear.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: foxz15 on December 17, 2016, 17:36
"Addicted to calibration" ... like kana poison ... lol
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: Drexter on January 02, 2017, 01:11
Read and followed. But not sure LFE should remain at 80hz or adjust to 120hz? Quit confused
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: Drexter on January 02, 2017, 01:42
Tried 80hz for LFE, bass tight and towards my liking... however felt that sometimes it feels a little fake. :) 120hz is realistic but not tight though and quite dispersed....
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on January 02, 2017, 08:13
Read and followed. But not sure LFE should remain at 80hz or adjust to 120hz? Quit confused

Bro, I'm not sure what is the context of your question? Can elaborate further? Are you referring to the x-over for your main speakers (front left and right)? or Low Pass Filter at 120Hz?
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: Drexter on January 02, 2017, 18:35
Bro, I'm not sure what is the context of your question? Can elaborate further? Are you referring to the x-over for your main speakers (front left and right)? or Low Pass Filter at 120Hz?

LFE crossover.

Front speakers definitely go for 80hz
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on January 02, 2017, 18:40
LFE crossover.

Front speakers definitely go for 80hz

Did you read this thread (http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=222773.0) on the allowable range of crossover for your speakers? 80Hz is a good starting point for most bookshelf speakers and usually won't go wrong.
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: Drexter on January 02, 2017, 19:09
Did you read this thread (http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=222773.0) on the allowable range of crossover for your speakers? 80Hz is a good starting point for most bookshelf speakers and usually won't go wrong.
No wonder, my subwoofer crossover is 90hz max
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on April 07, 2017, 07:16
Very disappointed with D&M...Audyssey just released the Audyssey MultEQ Editor App (not free, must pay some more!) on iOS and Android devices but D&M in all its wisdom and perfect business sense, decided that the X7200WA will not be able to use this app! This is the closest that Audyssey gets to be DIRAC imo. I just checked with Audyssey Chris Kyriakakis that the availability decision for the various models lies with the management team in D&M and they had decided only *selected models* released last year will be able to utilize this app?! WTF!!!

(http://www.avsforum.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Audyssey-MultEQ-Editor-for-iOS-and-Android.jpg)

To read more: http://www.avsforum.com/denon-marantz-launch-audyssey-multeq-editor-app/ (http://www.avsforum.com/denon-marantz-launch-audyssey-multeq-editor-app/)
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: honyewl on November 16, 2017, 14:41
Bought the MultEQ Editor App.  Works fine with my Denon X3300W.  Apart from additional graphical info, you get some additional features: mid-range compensation on/off, curve editor (didn't try), etc.:

(https://s26.postimg.org/gf7mjij4p/Menu.jpg)

(https://s26.postimg.org/or3dkrgih/FL_Speaker.jpg)

(https://s26.postimg.org/uo791kxnd/FR_Speaker.jpg)

(https://s26.postimg.org/wha5pwiu1/Center_Speaker.jpg)

(https://s26.postimg.org/8etbv126x/SL_Speaker.jpg)

(https://s26.postimg.org/tr0tspm55/SR_Speaker.jpg)

(https://s26.postimg.org/rg2rojbdl/Sub.jpg)

My setup: Denon AVR-X3300W, Dayton Audio CBT24, KEF Q650C, Klipsch Synergy S-1, Rythmik F12



Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: Jag on November 25, 2017, 14:40
Ah, another proof that Audyssey intentionally suppresses infrasonic bass (bass less than 20hz).

Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: desray on May 29, 2018, 11:45
Just an update in Audyssey news... The mentor figure of Audyssey had left Audyssey this month...

He is the chap that provided me with all the tips and guidance on how to optimize Audyssey calibration. This thread will not have been possible if not for his inputs...(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180529/7eb3fbb3b582eb05de28b902646f0ed3.jpg)

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Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: HomeMovie on August 02, 2018, 09:57
hi guys.
recently shifted to new place and bought a new Denon AVR and try to setup a 5.1.2. But after did twice Audyssey calibration, results still same, sounds boomy and like "blocked nose". wonder is it my rear speakers too "overwhelmed" as I'm using a MR2 on stand and it sounds loud and bassy like main speakers. Have tried to set -3db for rear, +2db for centre, still as loud.   

Funny thing is the result after calibration as well.
Front 250Hz (Mordaunt Short MS207)
Centre 60Hz (Monitor Audio BX)
Surround 40Hz (Monitor Audio MR2)
Top Middle 80Hz (Earthquake ceiling)   

results for Channel levels all zero, same as before calibration.

my floorstander at 250Hz? read some site and says usually audyssey will give a wrong front reading, others quite close. So ideally how much should i set it?

also, for the rear how can I lower the volume, there's no fader like our car stereo.

please help me.

   
Title: Re: Audyssey Calibration - Tips in getting the best out of it...
Post by: Bbos37 on September 27, 2018, 16:54
hi guys.
recently shifted to new place and bought a new Denon AVR and try to setup a 5.1.2. But after did twice Audyssey calibration, results still same, sounds boomy and like "blocked nose". wonder is it my rear speakers too "overwhelmed" as I'm using a MR2 on stand and it sounds loud and bassy like main speakers. Have tried to set -3db for rear, +2db for centre, still as loud.   

Funny thing is the result after calibration as well.
Front 250Hz (Mordaunt Short MS207)
Centre 60Hz (Monitor Audio BX)
Surround 40Hz (Monitor Audio MR2)
Top Middle 80Hz (Earthquake ceiling)   

results for Channel levels all zero, same as before calibration.

my floorstander at 250Hz? read some site and says usually audyssey will give a wrong front reading, others quite close. So ideally how much should i set it?

also, for the rear how can I lower the volume, there's no fader like our car stereo.

please help me.

 
Bro something is a miss in your main speakers crossover probably you need to recalibrate, my bookshelf speakers which is few feet away from the back wall and side wall turns out to 80hz and since yours is a floor-stander I’m the strong opinion on my remarks.
That said the rest of the cross over are ok but you my want to increase them a tad higher after audyssey.


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