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Title: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on October 23, 2013, 12:05
I have been looking at this for quite sometime.  They didn't really demo it at their booth in the HK show but I finally get to listen to this at 2 rooms during RMAF 2013.

It sounded great, in fact, better than what I had anticipated.

I researched the dealers in Hong Kong, after all, this is a Hong Kong product and made my purchase on Sunday.

I spend 2 nights setting up Minimserver which Lumin had recommended.  The difficulty is you have to do this at the NAS end.  This is one of the time, you are glad you got Synology and QNAP NAS with you because you need compatibility with Embedded Java and the Minimserver package.

Power it up last night and instantly, I got my entire library minus the DSD ISOs up online at my iPad.

(http://audio.sg/pic/lumin-1.jpg)

These are the advantages of the Lumin:-

(1) Audio media player and DAC, all build as one unit.  All you need is a NAS.
(2)  Volume Control included.
(3)  No Mac, PC required.
(4) No USB cable required.
(5) Analog XLR and RCA output.
(6) Audio HDMI output is available.
(7) Solid milled out cavities case construction.
(_8) Totally linear power supply.  No PC CPU multiple voltage requirements.
(9)  No need for  battery 5V isolation, no need to worry about battery operation.
(10) Just the NAS, the Lumin, headphone amp and the headphone is what you need for a very high resolution music playback system.
(11) DSD capable but up 2.8MHz only.
(12) PCM to DSD upsampling (Very important feature)

Here are the con of the Lumin,
(1) No USB output to your favorite DAC.  There is however a digital SPDIF provided.
(2)  No AES digital output.
(3) No traditional remote control.  Need iPad or iPhone to select songs.

(http://audio.sg/pic/lumin-2.jpg)

This was reviewed last night using :-
Synology DS-1812+ NAS with Java 6 and MinimServer 0.72 (x86 version) (This is an Intel Atom NAS)
Lumin Player
Bryston Headphone Amp BHA-1
Sennheiser HD800 headphones.

The sound is neutral and very untube-like.  It is very dynamic, very good with percussion instrument.  Good representation with the vocals with all the instruments all properly and spaced out with pin point accuracy.  Very dark, you can "see spaces" in between where are are no instrument or sound across the wide sound stage.  Again, very detailed, I can find things I never heard on familiar recording...like a faint moan, a tiny triangle tingling in the background, some sub synthesizer tone that I never knew existed.

(http://audio.sg/pic/lumin-3.jpg)

As expected, playback on DSD yields very good results.  When compared to all the native RBCD 44.1K track, the RBCD tracks sounded a little "brighter" with bite.  This is where the "PCM to DSD upsampling" comes in and it transformed these tracks into really nice sounding tracks once you convert it to DSD output.  This is a very good feature.  Yes, it display chinese very well too.

(http://audio.sg/pic/lumin-4.jpg)


For the next few nights, I would need to extract all the DSF tracks from my SACD ISOs and connect this to the main system......

(http://audio.sg/pic/lumin-5.jpg)


This is a good one-box solution (well, not exactly one box because you need a NAS) to go into computer music playback.  Highly recommended.

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on October 23, 2013, 13:41
How much for this high end machine in hkd?


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on October 23, 2013, 13:46
Recommended retail is HK$36K.

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: tane0019 on October 23, 2013, 13:50
What !!!  this is super high end pricing range for a media player leh ..........

But the spec & pic does look sexy  ;D
(fully balance output stage)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on October 23, 2013, 14:13
What !!!  this is super high end pricing range for a media player leh ..........

But the spec & pic does look sexy  ;D
(fully balance output stage)

If you look at the price without thinking....yes.

My Caps Zuma is already US$1.8K.  My ordinary Mytek is about SGD $2K+.  My Acoustic Revive USB cable is already $700.

This Lumin is way, way better and all contained; all 3 of the above units in one box and OUTPERFORM them....so, it is a cheaper solution.  It is also more cost effective than a Aurander.....which is more expensive and need you to buy a DAC to support it....

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: tane0019 on October 23, 2013, 14:58
If you look at the price without thinking....yes.

My Caps Zuma is already US$1.8K.  My ordinary Mytek is about SGD $2K+.  My Acoustic Revive USB cable is already $700.

This Lumin is way, way better and all contained; all 3 of the above units in one box and OUTPERFORM them....so, it is a cheaper solution.  It is also more cost effective than a Aurander.....which is more expensive and need you to buy a DAC to support it....

(Audio)

If you put it that way ......................... comparing to Aurander & plus plus, this one box solution is definitely better & sexier  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: mars73 on October 23, 2013, 15:10
Hi bro,

Very nice. I was looking at network streamers myself.

One quick question: what file formats were you playing? Did you play any aiff by any chance? Reason why I asked is because it seems from my reading that most DLNA servers don't support aiff. Wav and FLAC seem to be universally accepted by streamers though. My problem is all my CD rips are in aiff.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: tane0019 on October 23, 2013, 15:20
http://www.luminmusic.com/specification.html

Specification

Streaming Protocol:
UPnP AV protocol with audio streaming extension
Gapless Playback
On-device Playlist

Supported Audio File Formats:
DSD Lossless:
DSF (DSD), DIFF (DSD), DoP (DSD)

PCM Lossless:
FLAC, Apple Lossless (ALAC), WAV, AIFF

Compressed (lossy) Audio:
MP3, AAC (in M4A container)

Supported Audio Sample Rates, Bit Depths, Number of Channels:
PCM, 44.1khz-384kHz, 16-32bit, Stereo
DSD, 2.8MHz, 1bit, Stereo

Supported Control Devices:
All models of Apple iPad (iPad 2 or later recommended). iOS 5.0 or later required

Input:
Ethernet Network 100Base-T

Outputs:
Analog Audio:
XLR balanced, 4Vrms, pin 2 Hot
RCA unblanced, 2Vrms

Digital Audio:
BNC SPDIF:
PCM 44.1khz-192kHz, 16-24bit

HDMI:
PCM 44.1khz-192kHz, 16-24bit
DSD 2.8MHz, 1bit

Analog Output Stage:
Wolfson WM8741 DAC chips, 1 per channel
Fully balanced layout with discrete components
Output connectors coupled with LUNDAHL LL7401 output transformer

Pysical:
Lumin (solid aluminum chassis): 350mm (W), 345mm (D), 60mm (H), 8kg
Dual-toroidal PSU: 100mm (W), 295mm (D), 55mm (H), 2kg

Power Consumption:
Operation: 20W
Standby: 15W

Others:
Firmware Upgradable for further features and enhancements
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: mars73 on October 23, 2013, 15:39
Thanks for the specs. I'm aware that the network player can play aiff. Problem is more on the DLNA server side (in Audio's case, the minimserver). It is the latter that seems to have problem reading aiff properly, not the media player itself. Hence, it seems like even linn and naim users used to have problems getting aiff streaming to work. Was just wondering if Audio ran into similar issues.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on October 23, 2013, 15:49
Maybe I run one AIFF file tonight to test.  Frankly I don't think it is an issue.

More internel pictures that prompt me to buy :-

(http://audio.sg/pic/lumin-6.jpg)

No fans.....

(http://audio.sg/pic/lumin-7.jpg)

All linear power supplies inside power supply unit whch is separated and isolated from the player.

(http://audio.sg/pic/lumin-8.jpg)

(Audio)

Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: naimster on October 23, 2013, 15:53
Nice player. The casing looks like a monocoque body like Mac Mini?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on October 23, 2013, 15:57
Nice player. The casing looks like a monocoque body like Mac Mini?

....yes....milled from a single block of aluminium just like my Ayre KX-R and the MX-R....:)

This gives a lot of isolation that achieved the very dark characteristic of the sound....

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: naimster on October 23, 2013, 16:33
Very nice. Separate box for power supply makes it another plus point. I am beginning to see more and more serious purposeful built computer music systems not using PC/Mac and that's a good sign, at least for me to seriously consider going to CM in the near future.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: DJQ on October 23, 2013, 16:44
If you look at the price without thinking....yes.

My Caps Zuma is already US$1.8K.  My ordinary Mytek is about SGD $2K+.  My Acoustic Revive USB cable is already $700.

This Lumin is way, way better and all contained; all 3 of the above units in one box and OUTPERFORM them....so, it is a cheaper solution.  It is also more cost effective than a Aurander.....which is more expensive and need you to buy a DAC to support it....

(Audio)

And you lead us by showing we can save more $$$$ by spending more yourself. Thumbs up. Good product.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on October 24, 2013, 11:46
One quick question: what file formats were you playing? Did you play any aiff by any chance? Reason why I asked is because it seems from my reading that most DLNA servers don't support aiff. Wav and FLAC seem to be universally accepted by streamers though. My problem is all my CD rips are in aiff.

Thanks!

Most of my RBCD files are Apple Lossless.  I did a playback with a 192K AIFF....no issue.

(http://audio.sg/pic/lumin-9.jpg)

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: mars73 on October 24, 2013, 15:21
Very nice, thanks bro!
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wstam on October 24, 2013, 22:05
Hi Audio,

Thanks for sharing. Since your are from HK, have you checked out the linear power supply specially designed for Lumin by someone in HK? He has also posted in the Lumin thread in CA forum. Saw some good feedbacks on it.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on October 25, 2013, 09:12
wstam,

I will check it out once my Lumin has settle in.  Yes, I have been doing a lot of reading in the Lumin thread at Computer Audiophile and I did come across his DIY power supplies.  Quite nice really.

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on October 25, 2013, 09:28
OK, I connected the Lumin into my main system....WOW!! wonderful sound.

Clean, dark, detailed...some would term it as a "bright sound" but to me, it is not.  I can play noisy tracks like "Money for Nothing" real noisy without the urge or the need to turn it down....it sounded so good even on pop tracks, I keep enjoying the music and forget that I wanted to evaluate the sound.  Playing Chinese Audiophile recording, no need to say, very transparent, clean, expanded sound stage and "dark spaces" everywhere, it is very highly focused soundstage.

OK, next I compare it to my best playback, EMM Labs CDSA as transport and Meitner Audio MA-1 as DAC.  The Meitner sounded less focused but there is a very pleasant midrange emphasis.  The sound is not as pinpoint accurate as the Lumin but it got a "lush" quality to it. I don't know but I can live with either sound ....but I really love the clarity of the Lumin.

I also read in CA that the Lumin can work with Jriver on DoPe (ethernet form of USB DoP), try it last night and it WORKS!!!  WOW, I now plays SACD ISO on the Lumin!!!   I don't know but I think I never heard SACD DSD sounded so good on my system before!!

(http://audio.sg/pic/lumin-10.jpg)

I can control the Lumin using the Lumin App or the Jriver App....it is so flexible.  Pixel Magic is really doing a great job!

(Audio)

Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: DJQ on October 25, 2013, 12:00
Can i come visit? Heheh. :P
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: mars73 on October 25, 2013, 20:07
Hi Audio

I wonder if you have compared the dac sections of the Lumin vs Meitner. For example, comparing the sound from analogue outputs of Lumin vs analogue output of Meitner fed by the Lumin?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: AndrewC on October 25, 2013, 21:52

I also read in CA that the Lumin can work with Jriver on DoPe (ethernet form of USB DoP), try it last night and it WORKS!!!  WOW, I now plays SACD ISO on the Lumin!!!   I don't know but I think I never heard SACD DSD sounded so good on my system before!!
...

Spot on Audio! DoPE is the ticket :)… (USB was always going to be a crutch of a solution ;D). The streaming board OEM suppliers are all beginning to support DoPE, it'll take a while to trickle to other streaming/DSD capable platforms & software.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: jimi on November 02, 2013, 22:53
Nice thread, Audio.

Congrats on a very nice player!

So going to sell me your zuma cheap cheap then?!  ;)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on November 02, 2013, 23:09
Thanks Jimi.

Sell Zuma?  No, it is now running Jriver streaming SACD ISO DSD to the Lumin.  Fantastic sound.

I have not touch my Meitner MA-1 for a long time now...   :)

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: mars73 on November 02, 2013, 23:46
Thanks Jimi.

Sell Zuma?  No, it is now running Jriver streaming SACD ISO DSD to the Lumin.  Fantastic sound.

I have not touch my Meitner MA-1 for a long time now...   :)

(Audio)

Hi Audio,

Why do you use the CAPS to stream instead of a NAS? Does it sound better that way?

You mentioned running minimserver. So that's on the CAPS instead of a NAS?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: jimi on November 03, 2013, 00:37
Wow! Better than the Meitner- high praise indeed :D
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on November 03, 2013, 10:22
Wah, very dangerous.....

No, I don't mean the Lumin is better than the Meitner, they are just different animals.

Positive attributes the Lumin has over the Meitner is pin-point accuracy of sound placement, wider soundstage and the extremely dark background.  The Meitner sounded a more "lush" and have a little pleasant tone to the sound.

I used CAPS or any PC to stream and not use the NAS because of JRiver.  I believe Jriver cannot run on a NAS.  The NAS is required to have some streamer "server" running. 

Why Jriver?  Because I can get ALL MY SACD ISO to work and I finally can use the Lumin to listen to all my SACD on native DSD.  You don't have to use the CAPS of course....any PC or MCc running Jriver will work with the Lumin...THE BEST THING about this is the server never need to be in the same room.  SO COOL!

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: mars73 on November 03, 2013, 10:35
Hi Audio

Thanks for the reply. Sorry if this is a dumb question but I am completely new to streaming.

I was under the impression that you installed minimserver in a NAS and stream through ethernet to the Lumin. Is this still the case? If so, I'm not sure how Jriver fits into this picture.

Or is it that you use the NAS for your files like AIFF and FLAC but another CAPS running Jriver for DSD streaming?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Quest on November 03, 2013, 10:55
I don't have any direct experience but if I am not wrong, it's because Jriver media server is compatible with the Lumin..
Personally I was using Jriver media server to stream to my second PC also, and it's not too complex.

End of the day, the NAS is also just a PC with software on it.
And no matter how fast the NAS is, a PC is still much faster. I personally like this option as it's faster with your cataloging, editting of album art, and adding new CDs.

Never used minimserver but almost all media server software on the NAS is not as user friendly from my experience.
You generally have to edit all data to be perfect then just upload it, and then scan/refresh..
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: mars73 on November 03, 2013, 12:05
The reason for asking is because I am hoping that I can stop using my Mac mini server at my audio rack, and migrate to a compact NAS which I can hide in my study room.

Otherwise the alternative is to use my current general purpose PC in my study as the NAS, but I suspect this won't be ideal as I have to get Jriver for it, and also the fact that it could be in use by other people doing other stuff when I need it to concurrently stream my music for listening.

I suppose I could use my Mac mini as the NAS / server but it takes up more space than a NAS, as it's got external hard drives and power supply. Some more I may have to purchase the Mac version of Jriver to use it, which would be annoying.
Title: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on November 03, 2013, 13:04
If I read correctly, via NAS, Audio needs to extract SACD ISO to DSF tracks. If via Jriver, he can read ISO directly.

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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Quest on November 03, 2013, 13:35
The reason for asking is because I am hoping that I can stop using my Mac mini server at my audio rack, and migrate to a compact NAS which I can hide in my study room.

Otherwise the alternative is to use my current general purpose PC in my study as the NAS, but I suspect this won't be ideal as I have to get Jriver for it, and also the fact that it could be in use by other people doing other stuff when I need it to concurrently stream my music for listening.

I suppose I could use my Mac mini as the NAS / server but it takes up more space than a NAS, as it's got external hard drives and power supply. Some more I may have to purchase the Mac version of Jriver to use it, which would be annoying.

Jriver media can run in the background of your PC even when other people are using it..
Unless they are going to be doing very intensive tasks, I don't see the issue.

NAS is still an option, but if the tiny NAS that you are thinking of (smaller than macmini with external hdd and PSU) is not going to be fast.
What about using a notebook?

Either way, you'd already be saving rack space if using the Lumin as both a streamer and a DAC.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: mars73 on November 03, 2013, 14:24
If I read correctly, via NAS, Audio needs to extract SACD ISO to DSF tracks. If via Jriver, he can read ISO directly.

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I see, thanks bro.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: mars73 on November 03, 2013, 14:39
Jriver media can run in the background of your PC even when other people are using it..
Unless they are going to be doing very intensive tasks, I don't see the issue.

NAS is still an option, but if the tiny NAS that you are thinking of (smaller than macmini with external hdd and PSU) is not going to be fast.
What about using a notebook?

Either way, you'd already be saving rack space if using the Lumin as both a streamer and a DAC.

I was looking at a 6 bay NAS. Not sure if that is considered fast enough. But I had the impression most common NAS like Synology is fast enough as media streamer, could be wrong of course.

I can tuck my NAS away out of sight while my Mac mini which runs on batteries with a separate connected charger is seriously troublesome with too many pieces (4-5 Pcs of stuff). Also severe limitation in storage capacity with only a 2TB external drive. Plus I always wanted a NAS to back up all my stuff anyway, so I would be saving space by using the NAS alone if possible.

Anyway we are digressing too much. My original query was basically trying to find out whether there was any limitation to using the Lumin with a NAS running minimserver as opposed to an audio PC running Jriver.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Quest on November 03, 2013, 19:26
I was looking at a 6 bay NAS. Not sure if that is considered fast enough. But I had the impression most common NAS like Synology is fast enough as media streamer, could be wrong of course.

I can tuck my NAS away out of sight while my Mac mini which runs on batteries with a separate connected charger is seriously troublesome with too many pieces (4-5 Pcs of stuff). Also severe limitation in storage capacity with only a 2TB external drive. Plus I always wanted a NAS to back up all my stuff anyway, so I would be saving space by using the NAS alone if possible.

Anyway we are digressing too much. My original query was basically trying to find out whether there was any limitation to using the Lumin with a NAS running minimserver as opposed to an audio PC running Jriver.


It is fast enough...
The whole purpose of a NAS is to stream media anyway.. I was just saying the user experience when adding/editting music or metadata is different.

Also, NAS is not a back-up, IMO..
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Instek_88 on November 03, 2013, 19:40
Hi mas73,

If you are looking for an NAS, do consider the power required to operate it. The power supply to the NAS does makes a different to the sound quality. If the power requirement is too high, then buying a linear power supply for it in the future maybe a problem. I am also not sure if having more harddisk in the NAS will affect the sound quality. Having more harddisk will also create more heat, which requires more fan or higher fan speed, which in turn creates more noise.

The processor in the NAS is fast enough to do seamless 24/192 music streaming with ease. If you are using Lumin software on an ipad, then the initially loading time maybe long (depends on the size of your library). If you are using Linn's Kinsky, then the loading time is instantaneous.

Some links:

www.6moons.com/audioreviews/lumin/1.html (http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/lumin/1.html)
http://www.hiendy.com/hififorum/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=51792 (http://www.hiendy.com/hififorum/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=51792)
http://www.paulhynesdesign.com/ (http://www.paulhynesdesign.com/)
http://www.teddypardo.com/ (http://www.teddypardo.com/)
http://www.keces.com.tw/ (http://www.keces.com.tw/)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: lkypeter on November 03, 2013, 21:53

Hi mas73,

If you are looking for an NAS, do consider the power required to operate it. The power supply to the NAS does makes a different to the sound quality. If the power requirement is too high, then buying a linear power supply for it in the future maybe a problem. I am also not sure if having more harddisk in the NAS will affect the sound quality. Having more harddisk will also create more heat, which requires more fan or higher fan speed, which in turn creates more noise.

The processor in the NAS is fast enough to do seamless 24/192 music streaming with ease. If you are using Lumin software on an ipad, then the initially loading time maybe long (depends on the size of your library). If you are using Linn's Kinsky, then the loading time is instantaneous.

Some links:

www.6moons.com/audioreviews/lumin/1.html (http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/lumin/1.html)
http://www.hiendy.com/hififorum/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=51792 (http://www.hiendy.com/hififorum/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=51792)
http://www.paulhynesdesign.com/ (http://www.paulhynesdesign.com/)
http://www.teddypardo.com/ (http://www.teddypardo.com/)
http://www.keces.com.tw/ (http://www.keces.com.tw/)

If you can afford, go for usb3 or thunderbolt enclosure as they beat any nas hands down. Nas uses LAN which is not very efficient and has longggggg latency which cannot be fixed. There are enclosures like thecus.

If need to for for nas, choose raid 0,1, 10 for performance and avoid raid 5 & 6 though I am on 5 as it is much slower but  good balance between performance and economical protection. Set the drives to never sleep as the latency to wake up can contribute clock shifts.

Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on November 03, 2013, 22:18
Lumin will work with all audio streamers....Window Media Player, Synology Audio Station, Logitech Slimserver.....and Minimserver which Lumin recommend.

BUT NONE OF THESE STREAMS SACD ISO in native DSD......except Jriver.

Jriver runs on PC and Mac....and soon maybe on Linux and perhaps this would allow it to run on a NAS, until then, PC and Mac is the only solution.

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Instek_88 on November 03, 2013, 22:32
Dac and streamer operate in a different ways. Data handling are different between them.

Server are server and streamer are streamer.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: mars73 on November 04, 2013, 12:01
Thanks all. Clear to me now. Don't have any sacd ISO at the moment cos haven't been able to rip them.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Wenda on November 04, 2013, 13:44
From the ISO, you are able to extract the DSF/DFF individual files (the stereo and/or multichannel layers have different files). Usually for stereo DSD files per album, they can be as small as a few hundred megs to 1GB ish files). Multichannel causes the ISO files to have a much larger size.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: composition on November 11, 2013, 19:52
Santa dropped by my house and ................................

(http://imageshack.us/a/img202/7472/dbxt.jpg)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: mars73 on November 11, 2013, 20:22
Congrats! You bought local?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: composition on November 11, 2013, 21:40
HELP!!!! my Lumin app in iPAD cannot find the Lumin Player!!!

I have a Synology DS213j, and I did not load in the MinimServer. I ran the Synology Audio Station instead. 

(http://imageshack.us/a/img542/7592/kxvk.jpg)

However I got it to work on the DS Audio Station App.

(http://imageshack.us/a/img46/8362/mvgf.jpg)

After 1 hr of play, the sound is comparable to my customized DIY PC + DAC combo, albeit with more macro dynamics.

Can someone advise me as to why my Lumin app on the Ipad cannot locate the Lumin player??
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: mystream on November 11, 2013, 22:55
Hi Composition,

I recommend using the Lumin app which is must more faster than using DS audio app. I'm not sure whether you are aware, Synology media server may down sample audio before output to Lumin (this is to ensure better DMA compatibility), so if it's on, you can turn it off.

If you technical enough, you can try to install Minium DLNA server on Synology NAS, here's the link for your info: http://minimserver.com/install-synology.html 

Good luck with your Lumin! Definitely one of my dream streamer/dac. Congrats!



Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: composition on November 11, 2013, 23:22
Installing Oracle Java SE Embedded version 7 is a pain in the neck!! It took me more than an hour to do it.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: composition on November 11, 2013, 23:37
Ok I finally managed to load in the MinimServer in my DS213j. It is up and running.

(http://imageshack.us/a/img542/7316/9wbd.jpg)

But the stupid Lumin app still cannot find the Lumin player and the Minim Music Library?  ??? :'(

Appreciate some advice here.

Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wstam on November 12, 2013, 00:16
Ok I finally managed to load in the MinimServer in my DS213j. It is up and running.

(http://imageshack.us/a/img542/7316/9wbd.jpg)

But the stupid Lumin app still cannot find the Lumin player and the Minim Music Library?  ??? :'(

Appreciate some advice here.



How do you setup your wifi AP that your iPad connect to and the NAS and Lumin. Are there separate AP and switches? One possible cause may be your iPad is on different "virtual" network from your NAS and Lumin.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: composition on November 12, 2013, 00:38
The Fibre-Optics Nucleus Box goes to DLink Router.

I disabled the WiFi of the Dlink Router.

The Synology and the Lumin are both connected to the Dlink Router.

Asus Router is connected to the Dlink Router, and the WiFi is from the Asus router.

I have used this configuration for JRemote on the IPad controlling the JRiver on the DIY PC Music server, and it runs without a hitch.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wstam on November 12, 2013, 01:06
The Fibre-Optics Nucleus Box goes to DLink Router.

I disabled the WiFi of the Dlink Router.

The Synology and the Lumin are both connected to the Dlink Router.

Asus Router is connected to the Dlink Router, and the WiFi is from the Asus router.

I have used this configuration for JRemote on the IPad controlling the JRiver on the DIY PC Music server, and it runs without a hitch.

I will think this may be the issue. I too have a Dlink router connecting to the Internet but I have its wifi on. also have an Asus wifi router. my Synology and Lumin connect to the switch with Dlink router. when my iPad connect to the Dlink wifi, the lumin app can see both sinology and lumin. but if iPad connects to asus wifi, it will not. finally I reconfigured my asus as an AP only, no router function. now the lumin app can see the NAS and lumin regardless of which wifi it connects to. hopefully this info helps.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on November 12, 2013, 01:31
Turn on wireless on the Dlink Router please, it will simply things.

Congrats to you on your purchase....Ah, now I got company...  :)

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Instek_88 on November 12, 2013, 07:56
In networking section:

http://docs.linn.co.uk/wiki/index.php/Products (http://docs.linn.co.uk/wiki/index.php/Products)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: composition on November 12, 2013, 12:17
My colleague told me to configure the Asus Router as an Access Point. Will try that when I go back home after work.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: composition on November 12, 2013, 19:39
Hurray!!! Configured the ASUS to AP mode, and Lumin app now works!!
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on November 12, 2013, 22:27
Tonight I play this SACD on the Lumin in DSD....

WAH!!  FANTASTIC!!  All the percussion instruments so crystal clean and defined!!  Even the most complex passages!!

(http://audio.sg/pic/YIM.jpg)

(Audio)

Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: jigster on November 12, 2013, 23:00
Whatsthe price locally?
Apparently they have a new psu and option for 7N OFC copper O-type transformer or OCC silver-plated copper transformer.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on November 12, 2013, 23:15
Locally retailed at least S$8k.


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: jigster on November 12, 2013, 23:24
Wonder if HK cheaper, remembered it was like US$5k direct sometime earlier this year or last iirc.. I may be wrong.
Anyway, maybe heading to HK early next year, may be can tabao one back.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: DJQ on November 12, 2013, 23:35
Tonight I play this SACD on the Lumin in DSD....

WAH!!  FANTASTIC!!  All the percussion instruction so crystal clean and defined!!  Even the most complex passages!!

(http://audio.sg/pic/YIM.jpg)

(Audio)


nice, I wonder if NDV has it...
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Quest on November 12, 2013, 23:38
Wonder if HK cheaper, remembered it was like US$5k direct sometime earlier this year or last iirc.. I may be wrong.
Anyway, maybe heading to HK early next year, may be can tabao one back.

The price was US$4k as a introductory price when they first started out.
The new list price is US$7.2k as far as I know..

Current Singapore retail price is about $8.5k IIRC..
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: composition on November 13, 2013, 00:25
Using my JRemote app for JRiver Media Centre, I had tagged my files with Ratings ranging from 1 star to 5 stars. Now with the Lumin app, all my stars that I have painfully tagged over the years are no longer visible.  >:(

IMHO the Lumin app pales in comparison to the JRemote app. The JRemote app is so much more user friendly! the Lumin app has a long way to go.

I miss my JRemote.  :'( Who knows I may go back to JRiver PC+DAC route, and dump the Lumin. My highly customised PC+DAC is so much more powerful and user friendly. MinimServer really sucks in user friendliness. SQ wise my PC+DAC combo does not lose out to the Lumin neither.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on November 13, 2013, 01:02
Using my JRemote app for JRiver Media Centre, I had tagged my files with Ratings ranging from 1 star to 5 stars. Now with the Lumin app, all my stars that I have painfully tagged over the years are no longer visible.  >:(

IMHO the Lumin app pales in comparison to the JRemote app. The JRemote app is so much more user friendly! the Lumin app has a long way to go.

I miss my JRemote.  :'( Who knows I may go back to JRiver PC+DAC route, and dump the Lumin. My highly customised PC+DAC is so much more powerful and user friendly. MinimServer really sucks in user friendliness. SQ wise my PC+DAC combo does not lose out to the Lumin neither.

Hello my friend,

I thought I told everyone I am using Jriver to play on the Lumin...and I never touch the Lumin app now.  I use Jremote to control, yes, no why you think I can play this SACD on Lumin?

(http://audio.sg/pic/Lumin-11.jpg)

(http://audio.sg/pic/Lumin-12.jpg)

(Audio)




Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: composition on November 13, 2013, 07:16
Sorry this is something that I missed out. I don't understand the setup with JRiver & Lumin.

So it means that you need a PC with JRiver running with all the music files and connected to the same network as Lumin, and JRiver will be able to locate Lumin?

Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on November 13, 2013, 08:49
Sorry this is something that I missed out. I don't understand the setup with JRiver & Lumin.

So it means that you need a PC with JRiver running with all the music files and connected to the same network as Lumin, and JRiver will be able to locate Lumin?

Yes, you continue to run JRiver on your current PC.  Then select DoPe on your Jriver.  I forgot how you do this but it could be:-

Media Network > add or configure DLNA Servers > Advanced > Bit Stream DSD (requires DoPE Compliant Renderer)

I will go home tonight to confirm.

Once DOPE is enable , your Lumin selection will appear on your upper lefthand column.  Select it and your JRiver will be streaming to your Lumin.  You can control playback in 3 ways:-

(1) Select track on the PC running JRiver.
(2) Select track using JRemote.
(3) Select track using Lumin App.

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: composition on November 13, 2013, 09:25
Thanks Audio, much appreciated. I will try when I get back home tonight.

LOL I could have saved all those effort in loading Java 7, MinimServer into the NAS, and those long hours of transferring tons of albums into the NAS.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on November 13, 2013, 10:58
Thanks Audio, much appreciated. I will try when I get back home tonight.

LOL I could have saved all those effort in loading Java 7, MinimServer into the NAS, and those long hours of transferring tons of albums into the NAS.

Yes, me too.  I took 2 days to load Minimserver.....but I don't care now, I use JRiver on my CAPS Zuma now.

When you are listening to your Lumin, do go to look into the many pages of the Lumin thread in Computer Audiophile....lots of info there.  Unfortunately,  only you and me talkking about Lumin here in XP only.

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on November 13, 2013, 19:53
For you only :)


Select Options
(http://audio.sg/pic/dopestep-1.jpg)

Add or Configure DLNA server
(http://audio.sg/pic/dopestep-2.jpg)

Advanced
(http://audio.sg/pic/dopestep-4.jpg)

There is your DoPE selection!!
(http://audio.sg/pic/dopestep-5.jpg)

Your Lumin Player will appear...
(http://audio.sg/pic/dopestep-3.jpg)

ENJOY!!

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: composition on November 13, 2013, 21:01
Oh yes got it. Yeah I got back JRemote to control the Lumin. Hurray!!

Thanks Audio.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wstam on November 13, 2013, 23:25
Interesting. I have never used a CAPS music server + DAC system. In this case, as it's not feeding a DAC via USB, is it still critical to have a highly customised PC to run JRiver? Can I just use a normal decent power PC for it?

Do you store all the music in the hard disk in the CAPS server? Interested in giving the JRiver/JRemote a try.

Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on November 14, 2013, 00:57
Well, I suspect if we use a Gigabit Ethernet line, it has a better throughput than a USB.2.0.

I am now using a Seagate 1TB mobile backup drive and it is connected to the CAPS Zuma via the USB 3.0 socket.  I suppose I would have to put in some high capacity SSDs into my Zuma soon.  Whatever it is, I want to maintain a motorless environment for my PC.

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Quest on November 14, 2013, 09:58
Based on my experience, the CAPS server should make a difference. It should also be fed a good power cord.

If the CAPS is well optimised, another thing maybe you guys can try, is to make the CAPS Server have its own network card and connect directly to the Lumin (i.e. without router). I found this sounded better when I did streaming between two devices, than through a router. The CAPS Server may then connect to the rest of the network via wifi if necessary (for iPad).

The experiment costs nothing if you have both wifi and LAN on your motherboard.. otherwise a $20 TPlink card will do.

If you must go through a router, there are other things to try.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on November 14, 2013, 11:37
Based on my experience, the CAPS server should make a difference. It should also be fed a good power cord.

If the CAPS is well optimised, another thing maybe you guys can try, is to make the CAPS Server have its own network card and connect directly to the Lumin (i.e. without router). I found this sounded better when I did streaming between two devices, than through a router. The CAPS Server may then connect to the rest of the network via wifi if necessary (for iPad).

The experiment costs nothing if you have both wifi and LAN on your motherboard.. otherwise a $20 TPlink card will do.

If you must go through a router, there are other things to try.

That's brillant.  Thanks!  I now got a few ideas up my head...   :)

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: joamonte on November 15, 2013, 16:34
And I thought bro Audio you mention one box solution less complicated ......

See those setting until I blur.......

 Hahaha...
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on November 15, 2013, 16:45
And I thought bro Audio you mention one box solution less complicated ......

See those setting until I blur.......

 Hahaha...

I think this is really simple already.  I can say you see Jriver looks very complicated but without JRiver, it gets even more complex.

Seriously, at this stage, anyone going into computer audio must have some computer knowledge or else it is quite different.  Wah lau, my bro here almost sold his brand new Lumin because he missed his JRiver interface...   :)

But don't worry, every time I don't know what to do, I just chant "Ang Mo Kio" and everything will be OK.   :)

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: SL on May 03, 2014, 10:07
Hi all, sorry to dig up this old thread. I'm keen to explore DSD music and sadly my current DAC is limited to 24/96 - I'm using the macmini with Amarra software. I'm quite keen on the Lumin to play DSD materials and I have a pending trip to HK next week where I think the price may be cheaper?

I gather from the net that much rave might be attributed to the attractive intro price of US$4k but there seems to be some caveats at the current price level. Is this true? There also seems to be some competition from Sony (HAPz1ES) and Marantz (NA11).

Any thoughts from users or bros who have heard and compared? Thanks.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audiolab on May 03, 2014, 13:36
I believe bro Audio will be best person to comment as he has some of the items u wish to have comparison.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: SL on May 03, 2014, 15:00
Just found out that there will be other Lumin models. The S1 will play DSD128 which is higher than the original model of DSD64
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on May 05, 2014, 09:34
Hi all, sorry to dig up this old thread. I'm keen to explore DSD music and sadly my current DAC is limited to 24/96 - I'm using the macmini with Amarra software. I'm quite keen on the Lumin to play DSD materials and I have a pending trip to HK next week where I think the price may be cheaper?

I gather from the net that much rave might be attributed to the attractive intro price of US$4k but there seems to be some caveats at the current price level. Is this true? There also seems to be some competition from Sony (HAPz1ES) and Marantz (NA11).

Any thoughts from users or bros who have heard and compared? Thanks.


The Lumin sounded very much better than the HAP-Z1ES.  It doesn't mean that the HAP-Z1Es is bad....the Lumin just have more clarity and precison in instrument placement.

Please don't go back to the good old days when the Lumin can be obtained at about US$4K+.  It is now being retailed at US$7.2K in the USA, no joke....and people are buying!!  When I bought it, it was going at HK$36K.   You will be very lucky if you can find a set now.  My friend failed to get one when he was here last month.  And if you can find the S1, it will cost more, I am sure.  Good luck to you.

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: naimster on May 05, 2014, 10:09
The Lumin sounded very much better than the HAP-Z1ES.  It doesn't mean that the HAP-Z1Es is bad....the Lumin just have more clarity and precison in instrument placement.

Please don't go back to the good old days when the Lumin can be obtained at about US$4K+.  It is now being retailed at US$7.2K in the USA, no joke....and people are buying!!  When I bought it, it was going at HK$36K.   You will be very lucky if you can find a set now.  My friend failed to get one when he was here last month.  And if you can find the S1, it will cost more, I am sure.  Good luck to you.

(Audio)
Audio, the comparison is based on the analgoue out from both the players right? I wonder how they fare against each other as a streamer.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on May 05, 2014, 10:28
There is NO streaming mode (as of now, May 2014) for the HAP-Z1ES.  You only play your files from the HDD within the unit or from an USB external drive connected to it.   You can only transfer your music files into the HAP-Z1ES through the network and that's about it.

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: SL on May 12, 2014, 00:24
Just got back from my overseas trip last night and set up my brand new Lumin. Replaced my MBL dac and played some DSD materials - wow! Very impressive player. Thanks to Bro Audio's advice, the Jriver Mac and. J Remote worked like a charm. Got my library set up in no time - no re tagging necessary. The best part is the sheer speed - it feels instantaneous and that you can play sacd ISO directly! I don't know how they manage to do this. The I remote I used previously pales in comparison.

Will post again for unboxing pics and comments on the sound. Will conduct further burn in although the SQ experience is all positive so far....

By the way, got the Inakustik Cat 7 cable which the dealer swears by... May need more Cat 7 cables (longer runs) soon :)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on May 12, 2014, 14:42
Nice to know we got another new Lumin user.   Yah, if you never use JRiver before, you will not know just how easy it is.

I wonder how bro composition is doing with his Lumin?

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: composition on May 12, 2014, 14:49
By the way, got the Inakustik Cat 7 cable which the dealer swears by... May need more Cat 7 cables (longer runs) soon :)

Where to buy Inakustik Cat 7 cables?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: SL on May 12, 2014, 15:21
 I got mine from a dealer in HK. Planning to change the upstream cable from my switch. The cable I bought is not cheap and I wonder if there are more VFM options. The build quality of the Inakustik cable is solid though - especially the heads and the cable shields.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: SL on May 15, 2014, 00:03
Still running in my set. Played with it for 4 hours nonstop. This setup digs much deeper into my previous setup which consists on Macmini (Amarra)->Oyaide FireWire ->Weiss converter -> Wireworld Platinum Balanced Digital--> MBL Dac.

On the redbook CDs, can easily hear the microphonics. Kind of reminds me of the time I used tube amp. Seems to bring one closer to the recording event itself. Soundstage wise, it seems wider but no deeper than the previous setup. Very rich sounding and can detect no digital edginess even on some tracks I used to have problems with. Listened to all genres eg classical, jazz, pop etc etc.

On SACD, generally good results too. Not all SACDs sound as good or better than CDs. Maybe the Lumin is quite balanced in this regard. I then bought some DXD material from 2L and it made me grin from ear to ear!! The magic sauce - good recording on a hires format.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: composition on May 15, 2014, 00:18
I used to own the Lumin but no longer. The sound quality is pretty good, as good as my customized PC setup. I eventually sold it off for 2 main reasons.
1. Lumin app cannot display and tag the Star Rating which is a very important functionality for me, unlike JRemote.
2. I cannot run Dirac Room Correction on my PC when using Lumin.
So for me PC is the best, no more streamers and network players for me.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on May 15, 2014, 11:00
I used to own the Lumin but no longer. The sound quality is pretty good, as good as my customized PC setup. I eventually sold it off for 2 main reasons.
1. Lumin app cannot display and tag the Star Rating which is a very important functionality for me, unlike JRemote.
2. I cannot run Dirac Room Correction on my PC when using Lumin.
So for me PC is the best, no more streamers and network players for me.

I am sorry to learn about this.......only saving grace is that you didn't give it up because of Sound Quality.   :)

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: SL on May 15, 2014, 21:50
Sorry to hear this Bro Composition. Still brewing mine...love it. In fact I just ordered the power supply upgrade together with upgraded umbilical power cord. Supposed to take it to the next level.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: composition on May 15, 2014, 21:53
Sorry to hear this Bro Composition. Still brewing mine...love it. In fact I just ordered the power supply upgrade together with upgraded umbilical power cord. Supposed to take it to the next level.

No regrets. If you never try you will never know. New stuff ain't always better.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: shsoh on May 15, 2014, 22:46
Any word if the A1 be upgraded to DSD 128 capability in the future?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: SL on May 15, 2014, 23:25
Not sure if A1 can be upgraded to take DSD128 but there will be the S1 model which can. Heard that it may be released soon within a couple of months.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: SL on May 18, 2014, 00:23
Played around with power cords for the Lumin this afternoon. Somewhat different sound from the different cables - I tried the Wireworld Copper, Silver, Gold and Platinum. Was initially using Copper and I thought the sound was good. For some reason, i didn't like silver (muddier sound) and gold (somewhat bright) on the Lumin. Finally settled with the Platinum ( higher resolution but not as bright). So I figured the Lumin is quite sensitive to power cord despite the external power supply. Really looking forward to the upgrade power supply which I ordered and it should arrive in a couple of weeks!

I also played with the DSD up sampling. To my ears, I thought it did smoothen some of the tracks. I can also imagine why some might want to keep sampling rates native to retain the RBCD "excitement". Quite happy with this purchase so far.

Bro Composition, what is the issue with the star ratings? I don't use it much but quite keen to find out how it is useful. Does it reset the ratings randomly? I loaded some tracks and thought I saw some ratings next to them. Not sure they got there. I didn't pay much attention to them.

Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: nfnc on June 12, 2014, 18:13
Sorry to hear this Bro Composition. Still brewing mine...love it. In fact I just ordered the power supply upgrade together with upgraded umbilical power cord. Supposed to take it to the next level.

Hello SL, is this the Kenneth Lau version, and did you go for the 7N OFC or the OCC silver plated version?  Any thoughts on the magnitude of improvement to the sound?

Not sure if A1 can be upgraded to take DSD128 but there will be the S1 model which can. Heard that it may be released soon within a couple of months.

The S1 is out now, with 4 Sabre ES9018 chips in place of the 2 Wolfsons and an upgraded PSU (the improvements appear to be bigger and upgraded caps).  Pricing is supposed to be USD15k, which is more than twice that of the A1 (which remains at USD7.2k)

Someone from CA has posted a link to the internal photos of the S1; see http://www.feversound1.com/140612-lumin-s1/
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: SL on June 12, 2014, 22:48
I received the Kenneth Lau Ultimate LPS on Sat. Been running in the unit (together with Lumin) since. Preliminary impression is that the sound signature is slightly different but will reserve further comments until fully burn in. Packaging and construction is good and matches the Lumin. it came with the silver hand braided umbilical cord so I'm effectively running that in too.

Just bought the Netgear switch to replace my D Link switch. The Netgear runs on 12V standard DC jack and I realized I can power it with the DC outlet from my CSE ISO transformer. Trying to see if that makes a difference too.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: SL on June 12, 2014, 23:53
Just popped into my AV room to listen to my setup still burning in (Lumin+upgraded power supply+silver cable+new net gear GS308 switch).

Nice rich sound with holographic vocals. Wonderful. Looking forward to full burn in.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: SL on June 12, 2014, 23:59
Nfnc, mine is the AG silver O type transformer. Recommended by KL himself.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: nfnc on June 13, 2014, 00:44
Thanks, SL. 

Will probably get the KL PSU at some stage, once the A1 has fully burned in.  Quite a number of Lumin A1 users are using it, including the Shunyata founder/owner, who had this to say:

"UPGRADE: The Kenneth Lau power supply
This power supply is a definite upgrade to the standard Lumin power supply. It substantially improves dynamic contrast and reduces opacity. It cleans up the bass significantly and improves pace, rhythm and timing. I did not hear any downside to vocals or anything else for that matter. All positives and worth the price. If you are looking to replace a top transport and DAC you will want this power supply."

Have been informed that the S1 PSU is even better than the KL PSU but understand that Lumin no longer plans to sell that as a separate item.  Then again, it could have cost more than the KL PSU.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on June 13, 2014, 09:47
The new S1 is proced at US$15K.   Quite amazing.

I don't think I will go that route unless they are willing to upgrade my A1.

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: SL on June 13, 2014, 20:29
Upgrade option for A1 would be interesting. Let's see how the S1 sounds when it's out. Quite happy with it especially the ease of playing DSD files.....for now at least :)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: RAYRAY on November 03, 2014, 20:36
Anyone know where to listen a Lumin T1 locally? Thanks.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Hass on November 12, 2014, 09:16
anyone knows if Lumin will be at ISSE?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: mitkey on November 12, 2014, 18:24
I received the Kenneth Lau Ultimate LPS on Sat. Been running in the unit (together with Lumin) since. Preliminary impression is that the sound signature is slightly different but will reserve further comments until fully burn in. Packaging and construction is good and matches the Lumin. it came with the silver hand braided umbilical cord so I'm effectively running that in too.

Just bought the Netgear switch to replace my D Link switch. The Netgear runs on 12V standard DC jack and I realized I can power it with the DC outlet from my CSE ISO transformer. Trying to see if that makes a difference too.

Can you pm the price of Ken Lau LPS. did u send in the stock power to upgrade or a totally new one?

is the difference obvious.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: SL on November 14, 2014, 08:06
Hi Mitkey, sent PM.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: shsoh on November 20, 2014, 20:08
Just curious, what happens if you play DSD 128 files on the A1? Does it play at a downsampled rate of DSD 64?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on April 21, 2015, 21:00
Hi Guys,

Bought Lumin D1 recently, as the given power adaptor is standard type. Would like to look into Linear PSU to give more quality juice to my D1. Any recommendation aside from Kenneth Lau's LPSU and Sound Affairs' LPSU?


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: nfnc on April 21, 2015, 22:17
Hi Guys,

Bought Lumin D1 recently, as the given power adaptor is standard type. Would like to look into Linear PSU to give more quality juice to my D1. Any recommendation aside from Kenneth Lau's LPSU and Sound Affairs' LPSU?


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Paul Hynes or Teddy Pardo?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: durianlover88 on April 22, 2015, 00:03
Uptone Audio JS- 2
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on April 22, 2015, 08:06

Paul Hynes or Teddy Pardo?
Thanks Will check these two brands on pairing with Lumin.

Uptone Audio JS- 2
This looks good with its dual port, I can use for Lumin and Popcornhour plus it is built like a tank.


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Title: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on April 23, 2015, 23:40
Tidal might be coming to Lumin.

http://soundrebels.com/artykuly/recenzje/item/559-lumin-d1-english-ver

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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on April 28, 2015, 11:00
A few guys had pm'd me with regards to D1, do share around if you guys had bought it since it is a small group here. :)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: RAYRAY on April 28, 2015, 14:53
Bro Tiktokape,

Thanks for your information.
I just joined the Lumin group with a new D1 :)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: milk_vanilla on April 28, 2015, 16:48
Welcome to the club bro Ray.

I wonder if anyone use L1 already ? i heard good feedback compare to regular NAS.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: mitkey on April 28, 2015, 19:18
Uptone Audio JS- 2

what about kenneth Lau?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: RAYRAY on April 28, 2015, 22:36
Thanks Bro for the welcome.

Received my D1 but no time to set it up. Will set it up during the coming weekend.

Welcome to the club bro Ray.

I wonder if anyone use L1 already ? i heard good feedback compare to regular NAS.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: DizzyD on April 29, 2015, 09:07
Bros

D1 caught my attention ;D

Is it able to play SACD ISOs? Do I still need a music software like Audivana or PureMusic for using a streamer? Does D1 upsample FLAC files?

I guess the change here is that I dont need a Macmini / Audivana which is my current setup.

Lastly is HK cheaper vs SG prices (pls PM if easier on pricing)

Thx
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on April 29, 2015, 09:39
Bros

D1 caught my attention ;D

Is it able to play SACD ISOs? Do I still need a music software like Audivana or PureMusic for using a streamer? Does D1 upsample FLAC files?

I guess the change here is that I dont need a Macmini / Audivana which is my current setup.

Lastly is HK cheaper vs SG prices (pls PM if easier on pricing)

Thx
Can play SACD ISO if you are using JRiver on your desktop. If strictly from Synology NAS, you got to extract to DSF or DFF for playback. So far, D1 playback FLAC at native, never tried to upsample them though. SG prices is pretty attractive.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on April 29, 2015, 09:59
Actually, I think you can point to the Synology NAS content directory using the JRiver import from folder function and it will be done automatically.

OK, I have A LOT of SACD ISOs and I should say that JRiver is not 100% able to recognize every one of them due to some inconsistency in the SACD tagging and the text formats.   But it works most of the times  (90% at least).  To make sure you can playback all SACD properly, you must extract the SACD ISO into DSF files and manually tag them....., it is really a pain but you will be rewarded with good sound.   :)

(Audio)



Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: skong121176 on April 29, 2015, 10:05
Actually, I think you can point to the Synology NAS content directory using the JRiver import from folder function and it will be done automatically.

OK, I have A LOT of SACD ISOs and I should say that JRiver is not 100% able to recognize every one of them due to some inconsistency in the SACD tagging and the text formats.   But it works most of the times  (90% at least).  To make sure you can playback all SACD properly, you must extract the SACD ISO into DSF files and manually tag them....., it is really a pain but you will be rewarded with good sound.   :)

(Audio)

What software to extract the SACD ISO?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: DizzyD on April 29, 2015, 10:27
What software to extract the SACD ISO?

ISO2DSD

Audio / Tiktokape...Using JRiver means I need to use a Mac or PC in the chain too? I thought I can survive using the D1, Synology and Lumin iPad App.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on April 29, 2015, 10:50
Audio / Tiktokape...Using JRiver means I need to use a Mac or PC in the chain too? I thought I can survive using the D1, Synology and Lumin iPad App.
If you want to playback from Lumin D1 by reading from your Synology NAS via Lumin iPad app, can be done, extract those SACD ISO(s) to DSF format first because Synology NAS cant process those SACD ISO(s).

If you want to read SACD ISO(s), like Audio mentioned, you got to use JRiver to import SACD ISO(s) from your Synology NAS into JRiver Library. Enable DoPe in JRiver, it will locate Lumin D1. Either using JRiver from your Desktop, JRemote or Lumin iPad app to playback those SACD ISO(s). JRiver is acting as the central software library for playback.

Correct me if i'm wrong. For my case, I'm doing the manual way, extract and tag those DSF files accordingly but I view it as 1 time off.

Audio, after tagging those DSF files with correct information and cover art, by putting them back to ISO. Will it read correctly in JRiver to resolve the inconsistency in the SACD tagging and the text formats?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: milk_vanilla on April 29, 2015, 11:10
for my case, I have no PC / standalone mac, sort of. I only have mac air used by wife, and mbp for my personal computer.

And i have no tendency to turn on a pc/jriver everytime i want to listen music. So i dump everything to my Synology which is almost on 24/7, and extract the ISO file's into DSF. and let the lumin app read those files over copper cables.

Once upon a time, i tried to install the minimserver in my MBP, just to compare it against Syno - minimserver. I could tell the difference, especially the noise floor and finer detail. But again, for simplicity sake, it's just for me to playing around. Definetely If you plan to have dedicated machines for your audio collection, you should go for it . Like Audio with his hard core newly built audio server  :P.

If you thinking to buy NAS dedicate for audio only, and you prefer simplicity , you should consider Lumin L1. I heard some positive feedbacks, from lumin fans when they compare it against regular NAS.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on April 29, 2015, 11:25
Hard to bite L1 for 2TB space after I asked about the pricing at Audio 88. I like the entire casing, sleek and nice but well...hard la.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: skong121176 on April 29, 2015, 11:30
ISO2DSD

Audio / Tiktokape...Using JRiver means I need to use a Mac or PC in the chain too? I thought I can survive using the D1, Synology and Lumin iPad App.

Thanks...it's an interesting device D1 but i think the price is too steep  :'( and need to save more
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on April 29, 2015, 11:45
What software to extract the SACD ISO?

When you download SACD Ripper, you are presented with a folder with a few batch files.  The folder name is called ISO2DSD folder.  You place your ISO file into this folder.....run the batch file "Extract DST Stereo files", it will run and provide youa new folder of extracted DSF files.   Go to this link to read about it.

https://newtoolbox.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/sacd-ripper-primer-v4-0.pdf

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: skong121176 on April 29, 2015, 11:52
When you download SACD Ripper, you are presented with a folder with a few batch files.  The folder name is called ISO2DSD folder.  You place your ISO file into this folder.....run the batch file "Extract DST Stereo files", it will run and provide youa new folder of extracted DSF files.   Go to this link to read about it.

https://newtoolbox.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/sacd-ripper-primer-v4-0.pdf

(Audio)

SACD ripper is only PC compatible?  I'm using a mac...
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on April 29, 2015, 11:54
SACD ripper is only PC compatible?  I'm using a mac...
If you had read it, you will not ask this question.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on April 29, 2015, 12:00
Audio, after tagging those DSF files with correct information and cover art, by putting them back to ISO. Will it read correctly in JRiver to resolve the inconsistency in the SACD tagging and the text formats?

No, once you extract the ISO into DSF files, you store it like any AIFF tracks for RBCD.  You don't put them back into the ISO.  The ISO will be your SACD backup.  When we have full 5.1 DAC playback capability, we would like to extract multichannel tracks from the ISO again.   :)

I use mp3tag for my SACD tagging.  Once you extract it is very likely you will get no proper titles, no artwork, no album title.

I normally just put in the artcover, save all 15 track, put in album title, artist name, save all tracks again and then do a web search to get all the song titles accurately (mostly I have issues with chinese songs)....copy and paste in the album track titles one by one and then saved them all.  When it is done, I just move the folder into my content server.   I will remove the ISO file for safe-keeping and thereby avoid having duplicate tracks.

File format will be :-  Content Server folder-> Artist folder-> Album folder -> Tracks.

By the way, there are 2 version of SACD ripper.  PC and Mac.  PC we have bat batch file, Mac we have sh, script file.

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Doggie Howser on April 29, 2015, 12:03
I use a command line sacd_extract which works for Mac as well. Isn't so difficult
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on April 29, 2015, 12:11
Thanks Audio. Yes, I'm doing the same, extract from SACD ripper and use mp3tag for tagging, place those DSF files into operating NAS and those SACD ISO(s) into another NAS for safe keeping purpose. Good to know that I'm on the right track.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: DizzyD on April 30, 2015, 19:11
Lumin Owners

I am on iTunes using MM as the server. If I (BIG IF ;D) I hoot D1, do I simply just drag my entire iTunes drive to Synology <Music> folder and be done with it?

Will the metadata still be there e.g. genre, album art etc?

Thx
Title: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on April 30, 2015, 19:23
MM refers to minimserver? Is your MM residing on your Synology NAS? If yes, via the Lumin iPad app, you can locate MM.

For the metadata, I know iTunes is managing it on their own instead of tagging to the files directly. You need to try it to know if it works.

I welcome you to join us soon.

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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: DizzyD on April 30, 2015, 19:54
MM = Macmini
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on April 30, 2015, 21:42
You can try to install MinimServer in your MM by pointing your iTunes library to it. Using the Lumin iPad app and access it. You should know how it will look like when you dump over to your Synology NAS.


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on May 01, 2015, 11:50
This is why we don't use iTunes from the very start.  They just do things their way , never give the user any chance to understand their structure.  This is how / why the other players are successful.  With a open file structure, the user can understand how to organize their contents , works first time, works everytime.

Will dragging the iTunes folder over to the NAS works?  I think so but I cannot guarantee.

(Audio)

Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on May 01, 2015, 19:53
Second that, nowadays I will rip my music disc separately, not using iTunes, bad mistake when I started. I'm using standalone software to rip into AIFF for the metadata sake. Everything will pop up nicely whether on iTunes or other media softwares since I'm on both platforms.


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: RAYRAY on May 05, 2015, 10:29
Finally, I got the D1 working on my new setup standalone PC (JRMC) --> Dlink Router --> D1 --> Int Amp.
But, it seem I need to raise the volume to a considerable higher level on my amp if I want to listen loud compared to my previous setup MacMini --> Mytek --> Int Amp).
Is it normal?
Note : have not download Lumin app or JRemote.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on May 05, 2015, 10:43
2 things....

(1) There is a volume control on the Lumin App.  It could be that control is not at 100% yet.
(2) Under the Lumin option menu, there is also a setting for "Low Vol", you need to disable that if it was left in the "Low" position.

You need to download the Lumin app to set it up properly.  And then you use JRemote for your everyday usage for selecting content.

How's the sound quality?

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: RAYRAY on May 05, 2015, 11:29
Thank You.

I did not listen long enough, will feedback after finding time to listen it.
Consider to look for a proper LPS either from KL or Sound Affairs ;D
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on May 05, 2015, 11:36
Thank You.

I did not listen long enough, will feedback after finding time to listen it.
Consider to look for a proper LPS either from KL or Sound Affairs ;D
We can check out together :p
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: duylinhdesign on May 05, 2015, 19:24
Count me in also :)  I jz joint the club with an D1.  Lumin with Mimim server is really easy and enjoyable experience. DSD work like a charm.
Anyone heard about Kenneth Lau PSU?


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on May 05, 2015, 19:41
Heard about KL LPSU but too far to audition it though I'm heading to HK in July. His LPSU not cheap, I will post his specifications for D1 tonight.


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on May 06, 2015, 11:52
Hey Guys, for Ultra-sonic Filter for DSD Playback, set to ON of OFF will be better?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: milk_vanilla on May 06, 2015, 11:59
i set it off from beginning, never do comparison. I like original  ;D
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on May 06, 2015, 12:01
Same for my case, yesterday was playing with it, chanced upon it, so asking around :p
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: duylinhdesign on May 07, 2015, 17:56
Hey Guys, for Ultra-sonic Filter for DSD Playback, set to ON of OFF will be better?
I did try but its sound the same to me. But the DSD upstamping feature from Lumin Apps makes the sound better. More clarity :)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on May 07, 2015, 22:19
RayRay, nice meeting you today. Do share how it sounds with the addition of SA's LPSU together with your D1.


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on May 07, 2015, 22:20

I did try but its sound the same to me. But the DSD upstamping feature from Lumin Apps makes the sound better. More clarity :)
Will try up-sample and discuss further


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Instek_88 on May 07, 2015, 22:22
Count me in also :)  I jz joint the club with an D1.  Lumin with Mimim server is really easy and enjoyable experience. DSD work like a charm.
Anyone heard about Kenneth Lau PSU?


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I have a Kenneth lau LPS. It's not for Lumin, just a normal version. Not using it now and it's stored deep inside my storeroom. Using Teddy pardo, plixir and Paul hynes LPS atm.

You might want to check if Paul hynes makes LPS for lumin. Paul hynes sr7 LPS is at least 2 leagues above any other LPS I had heard.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: RAYRAY on May 07, 2015, 22:27
Hi Bro,

Thanks for bringing your D1 down for listening and nice to meet you too. :)
It will be weekend, I have time to play it and provide feedback. ;D


RayRay, nice meeting you today. Do share how it sounds with the addition of SA's LPSU together with your D1.


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on May 07, 2015, 22:35

Hi Bro,

Thanks for bringing your D1 down for listening and nice to meet you too. :)
It will be weekend, I have time to play it and provide feedback. ;D
No worries, it is best to audition the LPSU with Lumin D1 to get an understanding. Enjoy! Cheers!


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: RAYRAY on May 07, 2015, 22:45
with my setup , PC (JRMC) --> Dlink Router --> D1 , I will need to figure out how to get the Lumin app recognize my PC. :)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: duylinhdesign on May 07, 2015, 23:07

I have a Kenneth lau LPS. It's not for Lumin, just a normal version. Not using it now and it's stored deep inside my storeroom. Using Teddy pardo, plixir and Paul hynes LPS atm.

You might want to check if Paul hynes makes LPS for lumin. Paul hynes sr7 LPS is at least 2 leagues above any other LPS I had heard.
I almost pull my trigger on Klau LPSU for Lumin.. I have to think twice again :(
Plixir or Paul Hynes. How much is the damage for Hynes SR7?


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on May 07, 2015, 23:30

with my setup , PC (JRMC) --> Dlink Router --> D1 , I will need to figure out how to get the Lumin app recognize my PC. :)
Enabled DoPe in your JRMC? Your Lumin app should pick from there. Alternatively, you can use JRemote too.


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on May 08, 2015, 00:16
Set DOPe like this with your JRMC:-
(http://audio.sg/pic/dope.jpg)


On Lumin App - Select Music Library Options
(http://audio.sg/pic/dope-1.jpg)

A whole list of DLNA servers will appear for you to select
(http://audio.sg/pic/dope-2.jpg)

But the JRemote is way better than Lumin App....faster scrolling and selection
(http://audio.sg/pic/dope-3.jpg)

Beautiful too....SACD.ISO also appear and selectable.....
(http://audio.sg/pic/dope-4.jpg)

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Instek_88 on May 08, 2015, 09:21
I almost pull my trigger on Klau LPSU for Lumin.. I have to think twice again :(
Plixir or Paul Hynes. How much is the damage for Hynes SR7?


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A single output sr7ehdxl with silver wiring is about sgd2k. Current waiting time is about 2-3 months. Dont know the number output required by lumin. But the paul hynes sr7 is seriously good stuff. It sound very detailed and yet sound very natural. Its prat is spot on and its dynamics is the best i had heard. My system is still unable to show the full qualities of the sr7. When I plugged in the sr7, it sound vastly superior to anything I had heard even when brand new. It combines the strengths of all other LPS plus more.

The paul hynes sr7 is no longer produced directly by Paul hynes. The production of sr7 is now produced by a factory in uk.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: RAYRAY on May 08, 2015, 10:06
Bro Audio,

Thank you very much for the all the detailed information. :)
Will feedback on my listening coming weekend :)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on May 08, 2015, 10:18

A single output sr7ehdxl with silver wiring is about sgd2k. Current waiting time is about 2-3 months. Dont know the number output required by lumin.
12V 4A for Lumin D1.


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Instek_88 on May 08, 2015, 12:49
12V 4A for Lumin D1.


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Should be easy for the sr7. The unit I am using is 5V 12A. They can custom made it at various output voltages.

As mentioned, Paul hynes no longer produce it himself. Production is currently done by a factory headed by David Webbs I think. I think most of the production time goes to the making of custom transformer (by UK Canterbury windings if I am not wrong).

The sr7 is seriously good stuff. As someone here mentioned before, it's no horse run good.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on May 08, 2015, 12:56

Should be easy for the sr7. The unit I am using is 5V 12A. They can custom made it at various output voltages.

As mentioned, Paul hynes no longer produce it himself. Production is currently done by a factory headed by David Webbs I think. I think most of the production time goes to the making of custom transformer (by UK Canterbury windings if I am not wrong).

The sr7 is seriously good stuff. As someone here mentioned before, it's no horse run good.
I googled on the pricing when Paul was doing it still, GBP650.


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Instek_88 on May 08, 2015, 13:06
I googled on the pricing when Paul was doing it still, GBP650.


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That's the basic unit and prices had gone slightly up. Additional cost for other upgrades like internal silver wiring, external high current silver wiring, jaeger connector, shipping, GST, and etc.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on May 08, 2015, 13:27

That's the basic unit and prices had gone slightly up. Additional cost for other upgrades like internal silver wiring, external high current silver wiring, jaeger connector, shipping, GST, and etc.
Yeah, that's what I read too. It's on the high side when x ratio % against Lumin D1 for sure.


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Instek_88 on May 08, 2015, 13:35
Yeah, that's what I read too. It's on the high side when x ratio % against Lumin D1 for sure.

True.

To be frank, I had not heard the Lumin so I am not sure about the VFM issue. But I had always been seriously interested to listen to one.

Sometimes, it may not be the cost ratio issue, but rather the final outcome that is important. The question is the whether the overall price tag cost effective? Sigh, we are all crazy audiophiles.

But I had been playing with streamers for 2-3 years now, and found that infrastructure surrounding the streamer is as equally important as the streamer itself. Unfortunately, the streamer is just the starting cost.

Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: milk_vanilla on May 08, 2015, 13:38
i was told (not sure how true is this) the KL PSU for Lumin A1, are meant particularly for A1. The voltage and amp. output is built/hardened only for this model, so it may not possible to reuse for other model/electronics, unless the consumption is same. So it didn't pull my trigger to get them that day.

However the uptone PSU, seems they have variable voltage switch/or you could adjust the voltage. And they also have some good feedbacks too on outside discussion portal. Maybe one day i'll get this one ;)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on May 08, 2015, 14:21
Be careful.  Don't go overboard buying a power supply that costs more than your player.  If you are pouring $2K for a power supply for D1....you would be better getting the A1 in the first place.

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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on May 08, 2015, 14:52
True.

To be frank, I had not heard the Lumin so I am not sure about the VFM issue. But I had always been seriously interested to listen to one.

Sometimes, it may not be the cost ratio issue, but rather the final outcome that is important. The question is the whether the overall price tag cost effective? Sigh, we are all crazy audiophiles.

But I had been playing with streamers for 2-3 years now, and found that infrastructure surrounding the streamer is as equally important as the streamer itself. Unfortunately, the streamer is just the starting cost.
I do agree cost ratio can be secondary if the individual's final outcome is to achieve the desirable sounding. For Lumin D1, it is priced at early $2k region, with it's price tag vs US/EU initial indicative pricing, I would say it is not expensive with given fact that it is armed with DAC. It is a stripped down unit from A1/E1 but based on 1 single circuit and PC power adaptor.

Likewise, if I would to compare it against some current streamers like Auralic Aries & Aurender, D1 is pretty attractive as it can perform out of box, you can always to demand more from it by adding an external DAC as it is also armed with Digital out(BNC). That is for crazy Audiophiles :) That goes to early days, Logitech SBT, basis transport but it can be armed with USB DAC and perform well at it's level.

However the uptone PSU, seems they have variable voltage switch/or you could adjust the voltage. And they also have some good feedbacks too on outside discussion portal. Maybe one day i'll get this one ;)
I like Uptone for dual DC outlets. If you are getting it, can I bring my D1 over together with Plixir LPSU for an AB comparison :)

Be careful.  Don't go overboard buying a power supply that costs more than your player.  If you are pouring $2K for a power supply for D1....you would be better getting the A1 in the first place.

(Audio)
+1, I will stick to 30% max for LPSU for D1.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: RAYRAY on May 08, 2015, 15:17
I agreed to Audio and Tiktokape statement.

Yesterday, I got the chance to listen on the Plixir LPSU with D1, I did hear the SQ difference compared to original LPSU. Concluded with myself purchased one unit of Plixir LPSU. :)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Instek_88 on May 08, 2015, 16:07
I agreed to Audio and Tiktokape statement.

Yesterday, I got the chance to listen on the Plixir LPSU with D1, I did hear the SQ difference compared to original LPSU. Concluded with myself purchased one unit of Plixir LPSU. :)

Opps! I did not realise that D1 is about SDG2K. I was still living in the old era of the previous Lumin.

In term of SQ, choosing between Kenneth Lau LPS and SA Plixir, I will easily choose the Plixir. The Plixir does more of the things correctly. And its much easier to get support from our local SA too. I have one unit of SA Plixir, and it very well made. And from its packaging, one can sense the pride and attention that SA placed on the Plixir. I find it really admirable that our local guys spend such attention on its product.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: mkwglyg on May 09, 2015, 10:10
Who sells Lumin?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on May 09, 2015, 10:28

In term of SQ, choosing between Kenneth Lau LPS and SA Plixir, I will easily choose the Plixir. The Plixir does more of the things correctly. And its much easier to get support from our local SA too. I have one unit of SA Plixir, and it very well made. And from its packaging, one can sense the pride and attention that SA placed on the Plixir. I find it really admirable that our local guys spend such attention on its product.
Yes, I agree that it well made, just like a tank I'm running in mine now, it should get better as it goes

Who sells Lumin?
Audio 88


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: justubes on May 09, 2015, 14:29
Should be easy for the sr7. The unit I am using is 5V 12A. They can custom made it at various output voltages.

As mentioned, Paul hynes no longer produce it himself. Production is currently done by a factory headed by David Webbs I think. I think most of the production time goes to the making of custom transformer (by UK Canterbury windings if I am not wrong).

The sr7 is seriously good stuff. As someone here mentioned before, it's no horse run good.


Where did you order from?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Instek_88 on May 09, 2015, 15:29
http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?30029-Paul-Hynes-Audio-Ltd (http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?30029-Paul-Hynes-Audio-Ltd)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: RAYRAY on May 10, 2015, 14:40
reporting my feedback on my short listening which I may not be good in writing it.

Compared D1 to my previous Mytek (IMO only) on my current setup (PC with JRMC --> D1 --> Int Amp --> speakers) :
Listening to vocal in near field, it was a bit all round pleasant and more detailed.
Background was dark and bass cleaner.
D1 cannot support DSD128 files.
Overall, happy with the purchase, burning-in the DI and Plixir LPS. ;D



Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: limsze on May 12, 2015, 17:30
Hi, I am thinking of getting Soundaware D200 from China's Taobao. Any experiece with this product, please share?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on May 12, 2015, 17:36

Hi, I am thinking of getting Soundaware D200 from China's Taobao. Any experiece with this product, please share?
No experience on this product. It will be good to start a new thread on this product/brand if there is nil on it to avoid Lumin thread getting off topic. I know alvin1118 is using Soundaware D100. You can pm him. Cheers!


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: milk_vanilla on May 12, 2015, 20:15
Anyone received new client and software update yet? Heard Tidal support already.  I cant wait to go home and try.


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Title: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on May 12, 2015, 20:20
Updating now, can try later after dinner!

(http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s378/ongcs/8580BE43-7C64-4963-BCAC-07D6EDB7118B.png_zpsiffzdz3z.jpeg)

Remember to update your Lumin app.
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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: drac407 on May 12, 2015, 23:18
Anyone know if there is an iphone app for Lumin?  ??? will it be able to do the setup if you do not have the ipad app? Thanks!
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on May 12, 2015, 23:21
Good streaming, I'm on trial for 30 days.

(http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s378/ongcs/C9333F8A-5178-4C44-BED5-F0FA4344F89B_zps0lnrbrke.png)


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on May 12, 2015, 23:24

Anyone know if there is an iphone app for Lumin?  ??? will it be able to do the setup if you do not have the ipad app? Thanks!
I don't think so. However, if you are using JRiver and JRemote. There is an iPhone app for JRemote to control Lumin. If you need Tidal, strictly on Lumin app via iPad.


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: duylinhdesign on May 13, 2015, 00:03
Its great to run Tidal Up stampling  to DSD on Lumin. Sound quality is much better compare with Tidal Airplay to Lumin :)   (http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/12/615ce36ff1221b263e1f9a30a3ee865b.jpg)


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on May 13, 2015, 00:50
I yet to try out up sample, will try tomorrow!


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: drac407 on May 13, 2015, 10:27
I don't think so. However, if you are using JRiver and JRemote. There is an iPhone app for JRemote to control Lumin. If you need Tidal, strictly on Lumin app via iPad.


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Thanks Tiktokape!

Lucky me.. although not able to view/do any setup, I did manage to stream from NAS as well as using VLC player on my iphone to playback using D1  ;D
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on May 13, 2015, 10:44

Thanks Tiktokape!

Lucky me.. although not able to view/do any setup, I did manage to stream from NAS as well as using VLC player on my iphone to playback using D1  ;D
Good to know, learnt something today Mind doing a screenshot how it look like in your iPhone?


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: drac407 on May 13, 2015, 11:07
Sure,  let me do it when I'm bck home to show the D1 connection
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: RAYRAY on May 13, 2015, 22:31
Thank You.

Updating now, can try later after dinner!
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: drac407 on May 14, 2015, 10:44
Sure,  let me do it when I'm bck home to show the D1 connection

1. Open <VLC> app in your iPhone
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8734/17435121649_8234f88549_z.jpg width="361" height="640" alt="step01">)


2. Under "Network" tab, select <Local Network>
(https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7706/17621441125_4407befa2b_z.jpg width="361" height="640" alt="step02">)


3. There is a UPnP discovery service... please wait for it to scan your LAN for UPnp devices
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8825/17433847260_7f9108cb03_z.jpg width="361" height="640" alt="step03">)


4. Showing Lumin as UPnP device (I haven't setup my Lumin yet, just plugged in a USB and thus only the USB music server)
   Select by tapping on the Lumin icon
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8825/17621440405_cf8434bb71_z.jpg width="361" height="640" alt="step04">)


5. When playing your music file, you can now choose whether to play it via your iPhone or stream to Lumin
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8868/16998920684_7b18e09244_z.jpg width="361" height="640" alt="step05">)

Done! now you may use your iphone to stream via VLC to Lumin
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on May 14, 2015, 21:27
Thanks for sharing


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: matix on May 15, 2015, 02:43
I have my D1 for two days now.  I must admit really struggling with it.  I have some audio files in ITunes, and upon connecting, manage to play in my system after installing the Lumin App in Ipad.  Only yesterday, I am actually playing AAC file which is loosy.  Understand that this is a MP3 version of Apple.  Bought today Synology NAS214 play from Memory World, and even though the kind attendant help me configure everything and even install Mimic Server, I am unable to connect to Internet when I connect the NAS to the network.  Anyway,  I think I will rip the CDs first and then pour through this thread and others..  I do not want to start on a wrong footing.  Should I rip to FLAC or ALAC or ??  Have read that many have to re-rip their whole collection when they change their media player.  Since I have just started, kindly advise what is the first step to take???
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on May 15, 2015, 08:19

I have my D1 for two days now.  I must admit really struggling with it.  I have some audio files in ITunes, and upon connecting, manage to play in my system after installing the Lumin App in Ipad.  Only yesterday, I am actually playing AAC file which is loosy.  Understand that this is a MP3 version of Apple.  Bought today Synology NAS214 play from Memory World, and even though the kind attendant help me configure everything and even install Mimic Server, I am unable to connect to Internet when I connect the NAS to the network.  Anyway,  I think I will rip the CDs first and then pour through this thread and others..  I do not want to start on a wrong footing.  Should I rip to FLAC or ALAC or ??  Have read that many have to re-rip their whole collection when they change their media player.  Since I have just started, kindly advise what is the first step to take???
If you are going to host your music off from desktop, you should try out JRiver. Simply point/add your iTunes library to it. On methods how to link it up, read back a few posts, Audio did a run through actually.

The HiRes format for iTunes is AIFF in my opinion instead of ALAC. If you had never configure any since 1st day, likely explains why they are lossy when you rip them off from CD using iTunes. Question on whether you should go for FLAC or AIFF, if you still need audio files to transfer to idevices, go for AIFF. If no, you can try and rip both formats, listen for yourself which is better and go on from there.

With regards to your NAS, put static IP on it. Not necessary for Lumin since it is just a streamer, you won't be accessing it anyway. I didn't set mine too.

Do make sure that you had went into NAS administration, via MimicServer and point your music directory correctly. Hit re-scan after that. Go to your Lumin app and re-load the music library. Try it using 1 full album with artwork tagging in place. Good to go and hit the rest.


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Instek_88 on May 15, 2015, 09:39
Instead of using iTune, try ripping for DBpoweramp. Set it to secure rip and switch off your accuraterip. That will give you bit perfect rip. If I am not wrong, iTune will not check for bit perfect rip.

As for file format, you can rip to different format then listen which one you prefer. You can choose between flac and aiff. I use flac.

In terms of sound quality, some people prefer wav. But wav has tagging issue. If you like wav file, then you can try to use synology upnp server. This will allow you to convert the file to wav on the fly. This is something that you can experiment as well.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Doggie Howser on May 15, 2015, 09:43
I use AIFF which is uncompressed lossless like WAV but supports tagging.

You can also try FLAC with 0 compression
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on May 15, 2015, 10:34
Instead of using iTune, try ripping for DBpoweramp. Set it to secure rip and switch off your accuraterip. That will give you bit perfect rip. If I am not wrong, iTune will not check for bit perfect rip.
+1 on DBpoweramp. Mp3tag for artwork etc.

Personally I prefers AIFF because I'm on Windows and Mac OS and using idevices. Much easier for to rip and host 1 format.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Doggie Howser on May 15, 2015, 11:20
I use XLD on the Mac to rip. Does Secure/AccurateRip
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: matix on May 15, 2015, 18:57
  Try it using 1 full album with artwork tagging in place. Good to go and hit the rest.


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Thanks all, especially Tiktokape who has given me a clearer picture.    I manage to get Minim Server to appear in the music library!  I have move more files to it.  Some of it is 10 years old!  Those were the days when I dip into computer audio and gave up.  Well,  here am I again...   Seems that a lot of album art is missing.  They do show up in ITunes.  How do I set up the album artwork tagging? 

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y166/dannyhgt/unnamed_1.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/dannyhgt/media/unnamed_1.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on May 15, 2015, 19:13
It will be shown in iTunes due to their own system files. Sadly, can't be surfaced in your NAS. Try Mp3Tag for album artwork etc. Do re-scan your library whenever new albums were added.

Nowadays, I rip and tag before dumping into NAS or iTunes. That's the best. Once for all!


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on May 15, 2015, 23:24
Dump Lumin App, Use JRiver JRemote. Dump Lumin App, Use JRiver JRemote. Dump Lumin App, Use JRiver JRemote. Dump Lumin App, Use JRiver JRemote. Dump Lumin App, Use JRiver JRemote.

I keep repeating like a worn out record........

In JRiver, all you need to do is you right clink the CD with the missing cover, choose art over, Search from Internet.........if your tagging is correct, it is likely that your art cover will pop up.

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: matix on May 16, 2015, 11:33
Dump Lumin App, Use JRiver JRemote. Dump Lumin App, Use JRiver JRemote. Dump Lumin App, Use JRiver JRemote. Dump Lumin App, Use JRiver JRemote. Dump Lumin App, Use JRiver JRemote.

I keep repeating like a worn out record........

In JRiver, all you need to do is you right clink the CD with the missing cover, choose art over, Search from Internet.........if your tagging is correct, it is likely that your art cover will pop up.

(Audio)

Tried trial version of Jriver. It works! Seems very simple to use.  Just rip and most of the cd covers can be found.  I was too happy... Until I realise that I must always turn on the PC? Does it work with only the NAS on?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on May 16, 2015, 11:43
Yes, you need to leave your PC on. JRiver is the central hub meddling all these tiny features for you. NAS is a pure storage hub, it can't provide such features. What the NAS can do is Instead of storing your files locally in your PC, you can point the directory in your JRiver from local to NAS.


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: mitkey on May 16, 2015, 12:21
has anyone compared JRiver vs Jplay.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: francis wu on May 16, 2015, 13:15
The thing I like about Synology is that their stock apps are pretty cool!  The DS Audio file tags the albums nicely and group them under genres without a hitch...
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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Supreme_Master on May 18, 2015, 12:43
On behalf of Audio88, i would like to thank those who had purchased the Lumin D1.  The latest shipment is now down to 2 set! As for the A1, it is down to 1 set(laid for discount as this is from previous shipment). 
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on May 21, 2015, 23:15
LUMIN D1 REVIEW

Hi-Fi+ review LUMIN D1 in their latest issue.

During the review Nicholas Ripley states:

"In outright sound quality, it’s like Lumin forgot to tell the D1 it was the brand’s entry-level player."

"it’s an exceptional £5,000 network player, for £1,600."

"...any way you look at it, this is like getting 90% of the product for less than 1/3rd the price. What’s not to like about that?"

You can read the review here: http://www.luminmusic.com/HiFi_123_Lumin_HR.pdf
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Supreme_Master on May 29, 2015, 12:35
The Lumin D1 is down to the demo unit yet again!  New shipment coming in soon.  Two unit already pre booked!
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on July 08, 2015, 08:15
Lumin D1: http://www.stereolife.eu/1099


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Joe-siow on July 08, 2015, 16:33
The Lumin D1 is down to the demo unit yet again!  New shipment coming in soon.  Two unit already pre booked!

Any idea how much the D1 costs? Can PM me if too sensitive to post here.
Title: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: milk_vanilla on July 10, 2015, 09:07
Thanks for the link,

The A1 keep amazed me to each track i'm playing.

I changed from panduit cat 6( factory assembly)  to belden cat7 diy,  on NAS and lumin end.

it smooths the high and richer mid tone, not that significant though  it's audible on my listening period, quite convenience for long period listening.


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: alvin1118 on July 22, 2015, 11:38
Guys, I'm leaning myself towards D1. My use case of it will be a streamer and DAC for my HIFI. A zbox will be running Jriver as media server to stream music, as well as occasionally movies. Another HTPC in the same network with Jriver will be more for HD movie playback thru D1.

Question, can D1 DLNA renderer works for both Jriver music and movie playback ?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: milk_vanilla on July 22, 2015, 12:10
Never heard Lumin can playback movie


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: alvin1118 on July 24, 2015, 18:04
Joined the Lumin D1 club today. Happy weekend !
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on July 24, 2015, 18:12

Joined the Lumin D1 club today. Happy weekend !
Welcome to the club!


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: mkwglyg on July 24, 2015, 18:27
Will playing thru the lumin sound better than thru a laptop?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on July 24, 2015, 18:40
Will playing thru the lumin sound better than thru a laptop?
It is subjective, it depends on whether you want an all-in-one music streamer or you prefers to have seperate devices, with given flexibility to upgrade at either end devices in future at ease. Imo, Lumin D1 sounds great at current price tag.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: alvin1118 on July 25, 2015, 08:22
I did a serious listening yesterday night. Sound very promising even with stock SMPS. Especially DSD playback, the whole place is filled with music. RBCD details also impressive, some flac I played previously using MYTEK / TEAC / Geek Pulse X was not be able to produce resolution that D1 does. Soundstage is phenomenon!

Now it's time to source a LPS. By looking at this, seems like the operating power consumption is low?

http://www.luminmusic.com/specification.html

If S1/A1 only consume 20W, that would imply D1 will be similar. Means my old LPS25VA can be used ! Confirming with Lumin now :-)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: alvin1118 on July 25, 2015, 10:21
Quote
Thanks for using LUMIN!
The D1 power supply is rated for around 50W (12V, 4.16A). Actual power consumption is around 20W.
Thanks!

li.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on July 25, 2015, 10:25
It is better to stick to 12v4a LPS.


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: alvin1118 on July 25, 2015, 12:02
P = IV;
20W = I * 12VDC;
I = 1.66667A

(http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa415/alvinchc/Hifi/24498A09-ACAE-49CA-9AB9-BE07EE52E71D_zpshtqueiga.jpg) (http://s1196.photobucket.com/user/alvinchc/media/Hifi/24498A09-ACAE-49CA-9AB9-BE07EE52E71D_zpshtqueiga.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on July 25, 2015, 12:17
Nice to know another model of LPSU as alternative for D1 users for those who don't want to spend more than $200.


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: duylinhdesign on September 03, 2015, 11:57
Another good and detail review for Lumin D1. Cheers!  :)
http://6moons.com/audioreviews2/lumin2/1.html
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: RAYRAY on September 03, 2015, 14:41
Good to know D1 users are increasing.....
when weaker Euro happen, may consider LampizatOr Level 4 or 5, keeping D1 too.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: alvin1118 on September 09, 2015, 09:18
Recently acquired a iFi iDAC2 to compliment my Lumin D1 for movie playback as Lumin D1 cannot work as a streamer for movie audio track & allow HDMI to output video to TV.

I did a brief comparison of the two, Lumin D1 has much better focused vocal, instruments separation, and micro details in every aspect than the iDAC2. iDAC2 in contrast, it's good on its own being a USB powered DAC.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on September 24, 2015, 17:30
https://www.facebook.com/luminmusic/posts/596655143805525:0

NEW! LUMIN M1

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Today, we are pleased to announce the release of a new LUMIN model. LUMIN M1 is our first audiophile network music player to feature an integrated amplifier.

Due to our initial limited-quantity production run, M1 is currently on sale in Hong Kong only. Please contact your dealer for further sales details (full list below).

Look out for a Worldwide launch announcement soon.
...

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LUMIN M1 Features:

With LUMIN M1, our aim was clear – take all the award-winning sonic characteristics that the LUMIN music players are renowned for and surprise people with just how amazing an integrated system can sound.

18 months of continual development has lead to our uniquely efficient design including an oversized switching power supply and a fully-digital signal path all the way to the speaker outputs.

Outperforming larger and more expensive separates, LUMIN M1 shouldn't be dismissed as a second system. With 60W of amplifying power it can drive room-filling speakers and has the same musical heart as every other LUMIN music player.
...

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LUMIN M1 Specification:

The same wide range of format support (including DSD64 2.8MHz), LUMIN iPad App control and Qobuz and Tidal integration as our award-winning A1/T1/D1 models.

In-app volume control

Class-D power amplification retains digital signal path right to the speaker outputs

Physical:
Stereo 4 mm banana binding posts
Speaker load: >= 4 Ohm
Rated power output (per channel): 60W @ 8 Ohm Speaker, 100W @ 4 Ohm Speaker
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: nfnc on September 24, 2015, 19:18
It is surprising that they are using a SMPS and Class-D amplification. No option for an upgrade using an external PS as well.  I wonder what they bench marked their amp section against.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Instek_88 on September 24, 2015, 19:35
It is surprising that they are using a SMPS and Class-D amplification. No option for an upgrade using an external PS as well.  I wonder what they bench marked their amp section against.

Smps supply is much smaller and lighter. Linn is using smps for all its product as well.

With a build in amp, it's harder to upgrade the psu too. Unless lumin play the Naim game where only the digital section psu is upgraded. However, if a product is below a certain price, then upgrading using a external psu may not be economical.

Lastly, I had not heard any digital source with a decent digital volume control. Digital volume control can only bring the sound to a certain level.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: nfnc on September 24, 2015, 21:46
That's probably why they went for 60W output at 8 ohm.  Understand that Lumin does not recommend attenuation by more than 30% when using their digital volume control.  A 60W output, depending on speaker sensitivity, could be used at full or near-full volume.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: mrtan on September 24, 2015, 23:20
Quote
Lastly, I had not heard any digital source with a decent digital volume control. Digital volume control can only bring the sound to a certain level.

Naim flagship Statement amp?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Instek_88 on September 25, 2015, 21:14
Naim flagship Statement amp?

NAC S1 is the analog preamp.
NAP S1 is the power amp.

As far as I know, Naim NDS or its CD555 doesn't have digital volume control. It also doesn't make sense to use digital volume control it at that level.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: mrtan on September 25, 2015, 21:45
NAC S1 is the analog preamp.
NAP S1 is the power amp.

As far as I know, Naim NDS or its CD555 doesn't have digital volume control. It also doesn't make sense to use digital volume control it at that level.


True. Digitally controlled analog volume control = hybrid
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Instek_88 on September 25, 2015, 22:36
True. Digitally controlled analog volume control = hybrid

It's not a hybrid. It's a true analog volume control using step resistors.

For digital volume volume control, the volume is changed by modifying it's digital information during the digital processing stage.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: milk_vanilla on October 02, 2015, 21:12
http://www.iodata.jp/fidata/listen.htm

Taken from lumin fb


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: durianlover88 on October 02, 2015, 21:27
Looks similar to Melco N1Z/N1A....but not sure as I cannot understand Japanese..
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: nfnc on October 03, 2015, 00:18
Use Google Chrome and translate the pages.

UPnP & DLNA compatible. Runs Twonky Server 7.  Catalogue at http://www.iodata.jp/fidata/catalog.pdf

Better build quality than Melco, it appears. 4 mm aluminum top plate. Heat sinked HDD housing.

Not cheap though - JPY345,600 (SGD4150) for the 4TB HDD mirror version and JPY399,600 (SGD4,800) for the 1TB SSD spanned version.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on October 15, 2015, 11:23
Understand that Lumin does not recommend attenuation by more than 30% when using their digital volume control.

(Excluding M1) It's best to keep Lumin volume at 100% with Analog Audio Output Level set to Normal.  If Lumin volume has to be used, turn off Digital Audio Output - this uses a better implementation of the digital volume.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on October 22, 2015, 22:32
LUMIN Android app:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.luminmusic.lumincontroller

Note:
- It's meant for tablets with 7" screen or larger
- Tidal and Qobuz are not supported yet (for these functions use Bubble DS Next app)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: alvin1118 on November 23, 2015, 10:07
itchy to try T1 / A1. any bro own it ?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on December 01, 2015, 19:00
Review on Lumin M1. https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=pl&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.highfidelity.pl%2F%40main-2610
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on December 07, 2015, 18:30
Another review on Lumin M1.
https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=ko&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Ftinman.co.kr%2Fboard%2Fbbs%2Fboard.php%3Fbo_table%3DREVIEW%26wr_id%3D577%23.VmVZ-eIgu5I&sandbox=1

Aside, during the recent hifi show in SG, Lumin is going to release iPhone app for Lumin users :)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on December 07, 2015, 21:02
6moons review of Lumin M1:
http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews2/lumin3/1.html
Title: Plixir Balanced DC Power Supply for Lumin D1. XP edition
Post by: Sound Affairs on December 14, 2015, 08:06
Hi,

First of all thank you friends and forumers who are using my Balanced DC Power Supply (4Amps) for their Lumin D1.  Just a heads up here. 

Quite a number of Forumers and friends who know that I did a recent special edition power supply for the Regen / ifi asked me if I will do a similar higher voltage and current one for their Lumin D1, here it is! 

This will be a custom special edition for XP forumers with very good quality parts. 

More information here : http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=219500.0

Thank you for your time. 

James
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on December 15, 2015, 16:44
itchy to try T1 / A1. any bro own it ?

Comparison between D1 and A1:
http://www.stereolife.eu/reviews/item/1099-lumin-d1
http://www.luminmusic.com/HiFi_123_Lumin_HR.pdf
http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f22-networking-networked-audio-and-streaming/lumin-audiophile-network-music-player-14280/index39.html#post489079
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: milk_vanilla on December 17, 2015, 10:25
Lumin app in iPhone ios, thanks wklie bro.


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: matix on December 18, 2015, 22:43
Hi,

First of all thank you friends and forumers who are using my Balanced DC Power Supply (4Amps) for their Lumin D1.  Just a heads up here. 

Quite a number of Forumers and friends who know that I did a recent special edition power supply for the Regen / ifi asked me if I will do a similar higher voltage and current one for their Lumin D1, here it is! 

This will be a custom special edition for XP forumers with very good quality parts. 

More information here : http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=219500.0

Thank you for your time. 

James

I just collected mine today... I must say that I am surprised by the huge difference it brought to my system.  On my Geman Physiks speakers, which gives a wide soundstage but not good in pin pointing individual instruments,  the immediate impact this PSU brought was a pronounced improvement in such staging,  and there is also a depth effect too  as some instruments are now thrown further back and some in front.  The impact on bass is also there.  Classical passages with double bass attacking is now clearly heard with individual notes.  I normally don't write my thoughts, so hope this is making sense.  I won't call this a review.  :)  I spent nearly 2K on Harmonix cables and power cord and the difference is not even 10% of what I am hearing.  Well,  these may not have run in yet though.  Anyone still using the stock PSU should seriously change it.  Please note I am only comparing the stock PSU to the one I just got Sound Affairs.  I am sure others from Kenneth Lau, etc. should yield significant improvements.  Cheers. 
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on December 18, 2015, 23:11
I just collected mine today... I must say that I am surprised by the huge difference it brought to my system.  On my Geman Physiks speakers, which gives a wide soundstage but not good in pin pointing individual instruments,  the immediate impact this PSU brought was a pronounced improvement in such staging,  and there is also a depth effect too  as some instruments are now thrown further back and some in front.  The impact on bass is also there.  Classical passages with double bass attacking is now clearly heard with individual notes.  I normally don't write my thoughts, so hope this is making sense.  I won't call this a review.  :)  I spent nearly 2K on Harmonix cables and power cord and the difference is not even 10% of what I am hearing.  Well,  these may not have run in yet though.  Anyone still using the stock PSU should seriously change it.  Please note I am only comparing the stock PSU to the one I just got Sound Affairs.  I am sure others from Kenneth Lau, etc. should yield significant improvements.  Cheers. 
Nice, D1 user?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Instek_88 on December 18, 2015, 23:26
I just collected mine today... I must say that I am surprised by the huge difference it brought to my system.  On my Geman Physiks speakers, which gives a wide soundstage but not good in pin pointing individual instruments,  the immediate impact this PSU brought was a pronounced improvement in such staging,  and there is also a depth effect too  as some instruments are now thrown further back and some in front.  The impact on bass is also there.  Classical passages with double bass attacking is now clearly heard with individual notes.  I normally don't write my thoughts, so hope this is making sense.  I won't call this a review.  :)  I spent nearly 2K on Harmonix cables and power cord and the difference is not even 10% of what I am hearing.  Well,  these may not have run in yet though.  Anyone still using the stock PSU should seriously change it.  Please note I am only comparing the stock PSU to the one I just got Sound Affairs.  I am sure others from Kenneth Lau, etc. should yield significant improvements.  Cheers.

Sometimes what makes a bigger impact depends where the weakness in ur system is. It doesn't mean harmonix doesn't make good product. If you are looking for a power cord for the Lumin, you can try Shunyata Alpha digital.

Kenneth Lau, Plixir, and other power supplies sound different from each other.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: matix on December 19, 2015, 14:44
Sometimes what makes a bigger impact depends where the weakness in ur system is. It doesn't mean harmonix doesn't make good product. If you are looking for a power cord for the Lumin, you can try Shunyata Alpha digital.

Kenneth Lau, Plixir, and other power supplies sound different from each other.

Sorry if I have appeared to thumb down Harmonix and ruffle feathers which is not my intention at all. I am owners of these excellent cables after all.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Hass on December 23, 2015, 09:14
which model is the sweetspot between price & performance? S1 is way off budget, so between D1 to A1.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on December 23, 2015, 09:19
That will be T1. The performance is closed to A1, obvious difference is the chassis.

http://www.stereolife.eu/reviews/item/1099-lumin-d1


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: alvin1118 on December 23, 2015, 10:36
lol! I see Audio posted an A1, and gone in a minute ?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on December 23, 2015, 10:51
Gone in 10 minutes.  One guy on whatsapp asking question and one guy on PM confirming the deal.  I got big box to carry to airport tomorrow.

(Audio)

 
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: composition on December 23, 2015, 11:06
Audio so what is your replacement to the Lumin?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on December 23, 2015, 11:10
He is using Lumin S1 ya? Though he has many other DACs haha
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on December 23, 2015, 11:14
Audio so what is your replacement to the Lumin?

No replacement, this Lumin A1 is not utilised ever since I got my Lumin S1 last year, which is my primary player.  The Directstream is my secondary player but it is getting very close to the S1, getting darker, getting more natural with void spaces.   I think with the PS Audio PWT, it might just be my primary player because I am liking what I heard last night on just mere RBCD.

Even sold off my Meitner MA-1 to a Hong Kong Audiophile.  Hong Kong guys loves Meitner stuff, don't know why despite me telling him that Directstream sounds better than Meitner and I don't want to sell him, end up he asking me to sell him nevertheless....LOL.

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: composition on December 23, 2015, 11:24
Haha I also sold off my Lumin A1 almost 2 years ago. Time flies. That time it was much harder to sell when the brand not so famous as of now.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on December 23, 2015, 11:30
Haha I also sold off my Lumin A1 almost 2 years ago. Time flies. That time it was much harder to sell when the brand not so famous as of now.

Ha ha, I thought you trade-in your A1, right?   I think I gave a very fair price and that's why it got sold so fast.

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: jerome_the_lang on December 23, 2015, 11:59
The ps transport can angmokio or not?

 ;D

Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on December 23, 2015, 14:09
The ps transport can angmokio or not?

 ;D



Have not tried.  Last night very busy.  Listen to fibre network, play Roger Waters "the Wall" halfway, watch "Mission Impossible, Rouge Nation", then around 11pm then try the PS Audio PWT.

(Audio)

Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Hass on December 24, 2015, 22:17
Tried the D1... very smooth sounding.  Really pleasant to listen to. Not quite used to it. Seem to be lacking in the raw energy feel but the details are in abundance. Rhythm could be better... not quite used to the "cleanliness".

What improvement will u get when u move up the ladder?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on December 24, 2015, 22:39

Tried the D1... very smooth sounding.  Really pleasant to listen to. Not quite used to it. Seem to be lacking in the raw energy feel but the details are in abundance. Rhythm could be better... not quite used to the "cleanliness".

What improvement will u get when u move up the ladder?
Did you tried D1 with LPSU?

If you move up the ladder from D1 to T1. Both have the same body structure but T1 is bigger. Iirc, T1 has separate digital and analog board as opposed to D1 having all in one board. T1 has everything of A1 but the major difference is the different chassis, also the A1 in the digital and analog board each alone, there is another separate chassis for it. T1 is lighter than A1 significantly as a result.

Aside, T1 offers the same output features as A1.


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on December 25, 2015, 17:10
From a component point of view, S1 / A1 / T1 have Lundahl output transformers on the circuit board.  They also come with a dual toroidal power supply.  These are missing from the D1, which uses a single board design instead of dual board design.

A1 and T1 share the exact same circuit boards but the aluminium chassis is different.

For sonic evaluations of D1 against A1 (assume T1 is very similar), see my post #238.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Hass on December 25, 2015, 20:16
Thanks bros. Energy level, contrast, rhythm n music flow very important to me.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on January 07, 2016, 12:58
Lumin has announced the U1 Network Music Transport at CES.

It has 5 digital outputs: USB, AES, Coaxial BNC, Coaxial RCA, Optical.  USB output supports up to DSD128 over PCM (DoP) or 384kHz. The other outputs support up to DSD64 over PCM (DoP) or 192kHz.  (No analog outputs and no DAC chips inside.)

All sampling rates can be upsampled to DSD128 (for USB output) if needed. In this respect it exceeds the capability of S1, which can play DSD128 but not upsample lower sampling rates to DSD128.

U1 comes with the S1 power supply.

In terms of appearance it looks the same as an A1.

Lumin Facebook explains the reason of creating U1: "Many many people already have high-end DACs and dealers have been asking us for a solution to cover that scenario for a long time."
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: milk_vanilla on January 07, 2016, 15:17
Nice, thanks wklie.


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on January 07, 2016, 15:19
Nice, thanks wklie.

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Upgrading?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: milk_vanilla on January 07, 2016, 15:20
Have no rack space for additional dac


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on January 07, 2016, 15:23
Have no rack space for additional dac

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You can do it if you want to....  ;D :P
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: tane0019 on January 07, 2016, 16:49
Lumin has announced the U1 Network Music Transport at CES.
.......

Here come the pics  ;D

(https://scontent-hkg3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/12509459_629047177232988_5658895678246777809_n.jpg?oh=4115046e33c49eaf3edc55628bb294a7&oe=56FD6D8C)

(https://scontent-hkg3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/944087_629047270566312_6207508661615811391_n.jpg?oh=65e2b8ab289eae7144d4d696852e475c&oe=56FEF3C5)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: AndrewC on January 07, 2016, 20:14
Pity they chose not to include SSD caching and Ethernet output... Looks only useful for older DAC systems that don't support USB.  :P
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on January 07, 2016, 20:42
Pity they chose not to include SSD caching and Ethernet output...

I bought a new Lumin U1 and coupled the Ethernet output to the Ethernet input of my Lumin A/S1.....  Wow wee!!  Champion!   Opps...... I forgot I promised not to argue with AndrewC on all things  networking.   OK.....retreat.

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: justubes on January 07, 2016, 22:05
How much does it retail for?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: AndrewC on January 08, 2016, 07:24
I bought a new Lumin U1 and coupled the Ethernet output to the Ethernet input of my Lumin A/S1...

Hahaha… as if :P
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Doggie Howser on January 08, 2016, 11:02
So this Lumin can be hooked to a USB DAC no? How does it compare hooked up to DirectStream DAC vs the standalone Lumin?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: nfnc on January 08, 2016, 11:10
I bought a new Lumin U1 and coupled the Ethernet output to the Ethernet input of my Lumin A/S1.....  Wow wee!!  Champion!   Opps...... I forgot I promised not to argue with AndrewC on all things  networking.   OK.....retreat.

(Audio)

Ha ha, you just created a new product category :)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: nfnc on January 08, 2016, 11:15
So this Lumin can be hooked to a USB DAC no? How does it compare hooked up to DirectStream DAC vs the standalone Lumin?

It is similar to an Aurender N10 minus internal storage and SSD caching.

So, there are USB and AES/EBU outputs now. Other Lumins have only S/PDIF (and HDMI) outputs.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on January 08, 2016, 11:23
Pity they chose not to include SSD caching

For achieving the best sound quality, personally I don't believe in having non-essential devices that generate EMI noise inside a transport or player.  Music can be stored in a NAS anyway.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on January 08, 2016, 11:31
So this Lumin can be hooked to a USB DAC no? How does it compare hooked up to DirectStream DAC vs the standalone Lumin?

The configuration you suggested would be wonderful....Opps, I forgot about the PS-Audio bridge card.......

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: AndrewC on January 08, 2016, 19:20
For achieving the best sound quality, personally I don't believe in having non-essential devices that generate EMI noise inside a transport or player.  Music can be stored in a NAS anyway.

In the analog world, sure, you'd want to have as few “touch-points” on the signal as possible.

But (whether you believe it or not) thats not always the case in the digital world. Especially if you have a time sensitive transport interface like USB audio, buffering bitstream flows and re-streaming them out with a superior-clocked front-end is a good thing!

Everyone knows what a “Playback buffer” is (if not, go google  it) - you won’t find exact details to match this discussion and it’ll often talk about video, but the principles are exactly the same.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: naimster on January 08, 2016, 19:42
I agree with andrewc. In fact, the definition of a transport is flawed if do not include NAS as part of it if streaming from NAS. My recent comparisons on my own streamer between NAS and SSD direct playback shows the SSD direct is miles ahead and that there is a lot more work on NAS to get it to even come close. Many tend to forget that NAS is actually a PC!
Title: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: milk_vanilla on January 08, 2016, 20:02
+1 Andrew and Naimster comments

For a year i used nas to stream and feed my lumin,

not until i resurrected my 2012 mac mini , remove all junks and optimize software wise and purely run minimserver and vnc.
In last few months  I modified again with dual ethernet to split 1 toward my home network and the other one toward lumin, the result is significant positive for each rounds.

Next round if fund allow, may get a mini lps, but yet explore which road should i take to alternatively.

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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Instek_88 on January 08, 2016, 22:40
I am not a TT user. But I think most TT users will switch off their digital sources when they are using their TT. Most of them will find that the sound quality will improve when they do that. The reason is that emi being generated by the computer chip inside the digital source. From the testing that I had done, it's close to impossible to completely remove such emi once they are being generated by any computer chip. It can't be removed by dedicated lines, it can't be remove by any kind of power conditioners regardless of price, and etc. In actual fact, the effect of emi generated by digital sources is considered small if it is compared to those generated by devices like nas and computers. Nas and computers are the worst of the worst. In actual fact, I think it's extremely hard to get the sound completely correct once such devices are switched on.

One of the trick to get nice digital sound is to remove any usage of computers and nas. Once this is done, there will be a quantum leap in sound quality produced by DAC or streamers (like linn, naim and Lumin). This is the first and most important step to take.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on January 18, 2016, 10:56
Review on Lumin M1. https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=pl&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.highfidelity.pl%2F%40main-2610

English version:
http://www.highfidelity.pl/@main-623&lang=en
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on February 26, 2016, 10:19
LUMIN M1 review from Taiwan, in Traditional Chinese:
http://my-hiend.com/wp/%E8%BC%95%E9%AC%86%E5%A5%BD%E9%9F%B3%E6%A8%82%EF%BC%8Dlumin-m1-%E6%95%B8%E4%BD%8D%E4%B8%B2%E6%B5%81%E7%B6%9C%E5%90%88%E6%93%B4%E5%A4%A7%E6%A9%9F/

Google translation (photos are missing):
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fmy-hiend.com%2Fwp%2F%25E8%25BC%2595%25E9%25AC%2586%25E5%25A5%25BD%25E9%259F%25B3%25E6%25A8%2582%25EF%25BC%258Dlumin-m1-%25E6%2595%25B8%25E4%25BD%258D%25E4%25B8%25B2%25E6%25B5%2581%25E7%25B6%259C%25E5%2590%2588%25E6%2593%25B4%25E5%25A4%25A7%25E6%25A9%259F%2F&edit-text=&act=url

Evaluation of the sound is on page 3.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: zorden2003 on March 11, 2016, 22:22
A newbie here. This lumin products is confusing me. 
My current setup Imac > rega DAC > Amp > Speakers.

Let say I replace my Rega DAC to Lumin D1. Which lumin products allow me to store the music files and 'transfer' to DAC. 

Whats Lumin T and Lumin S. S to stream the files wirelessly? 
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: milk_vanilla on March 11, 2016, 22:46
All Lumin model has built in dac, only recent published u1 who only act as transport.

Till this point of time there's no Lumin model has internal storage, meaning you should store your digital music collection somewhere (e.g. Pc, NAS, or Lumin made owned NAS - L1)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on March 11, 2016, 23:57
You are currently using the iMac so that will be your storage.

You replace the Rega DAC with the Lumin.  The difference is Rega uses USB, Lumin use ethernet.

You cannot do wirelessly with the Lumin, why should you pollute your hi fi enviorment with radio emission?  You can use wired ethernet on the Lumin and if you must, do wirelessly from iMac to your router.  Wired connection is better.

On the iMac, you load in JRiver to play your selection.  You do remote control with a iphone with JRemote.

lumin T and Lumin S are higher model from your Lumin D1.  Same function as the D1 but better sound and relatively more expensive.

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on March 18, 2016, 14:50
Lumin app 6.0.2 for iOS now supports sharing of saved playlists among multiple devices such as iPad and iPhone via iCloud. It also adds favorite sort options for Tidal.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: milk_vanilla on March 18, 2016, 23:52
Great! , tks wklie
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: milk_vanilla on April 12, 2016, 20:12
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160412/c884081a0886fb0bd5e91e648238134c.jpg)

Datacenter folks is doing relocation,  and found fiber converter to play around
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: AndrewC on April 13, 2016, 06:57
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160412/c884081a0886fb0bd5e91e648238134c.jpg)

Datacenter folks is doing relocation,  and found fiber converter to play around

Nice :)....

(Though it shouldn't matter for such short spools, but switch to single-mode SFPs and fibre if you can, instead of those multimode ones in your picture  ;))
Title: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: milk_vanilla on April 13, 2016, 08:18
Need to hunt if they still have a pair single mode converter to be thrown.

But wondering if they both make difference though? And another curiosity how bout if change into 1000-T converter,  but i think lumin only run 100-T in it's ethernet port end, it will be throttle down to 100
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on April 13, 2016, 10:59
Lumin S1 / A1 / T1 / D1 have 100Mbps Ethernet ports.

That's an interesting setup.  Any improvement in the sound quality?

In computeraudiophile there are long threads about network isolation and optical network stuff.  I think they use LPS for the converters.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on April 13, 2016, 11:48
I confirmed that media convertor make a lot of diff to the sound.  I have been experimenting and meaning to share with you folks once I can confirmed a few more things.

The most significant diff is to use a sealed lead acid battery to drive the media convertor......the other day I cannot understand why my stereo sound was so degraded.....until I found that I accidentally I connect the default power adapter plug into the media convertor and not the battery's.  As soon as I corrected that, the sound returned to the awesome transparency and details......

Right now, I got a Allied Telesis Fibre NIC card flying over....that will remove all switches from my server fibre connection.....

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: milk_vanilla on April 13, 2016, 12:05
Audio bro, what is sealed acid battery and how do you get from, diy?
Title: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: milk_vanilla on April 13, 2016, 12:06
Wklie, time to design fiber port on upcoming lumin model
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: pcking on April 13, 2016, 12:13
Something like this.
Can even use it to power the Lumin if the capacity is big enough.  ;)

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41tdCk%2B5KyL._SX355_.jpg)

Audio bro, what is sealed acid battery and how do you get from, diy?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on April 13, 2016, 12:22
This one I used for that 5VDC power input.  I will take pictures tonight of my setup but I used a battery similar to this:-

(http://audio.sg/pic/sealedleadacid.jpg)

Costs about $20 plus a few power adaptor plugs and you will get good sounds.

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on April 13, 2016, 12:27

Can even use it to power the Lumin if the capacity is big enough.  ;)



......................coming........coming.....you need 2 batteries for that..................

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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: pcking on April 13, 2016, 12:45
What's the original specs of the Lumin PSU ?
Did you add any capacitors after the SLA outputs ?


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on April 13, 2016, 12:47
What's the original specs of the Lumin PSU ?
Did you add any capacitors after the SLA outputs ?
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There is no need to add any capacitors to the battery output, the battery is the best capacitor you can buy......   :)

My guess would be the standard 12V, 5V DC for the Lumin.

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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on April 13, 2016, 13:58
+12V, -12V
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on April 13, 2016, 14:08
Yes, just 2 batteries 12V will do.

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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Instek_88 on April 13, 2016, 16:33
For those who are interested in optical media converter for streamers:

(http://i1260.photobucket.com/albums/ii567/sckwan/File%2013-4-16%204%2013%2048%20pm.jpeg) (http://s1260.photobucket.com/user/sckwan/media/File%2013-4-16%204%2013%2048%20pm.jpeg.html)

On the server side: Asus RT-N66U to Planet FST-802 (optical media converter - OMC). Asus router powered by its own SMPS (sound better than most LPS in the market. But different batches of RT-N66U may come with different SMPS which sound different). Planet FST-802 powered by FRIWO MPP Medical grade SMPS (sound better than a lot of LPS in the market too). Both SMPS are plugged into Shunyata MPC-12 which in turn plugged into a Shunyata Triton(v2)/Typhon. I placed the router and OMC on the floor as it sound better in my system that way.

On the streamer side: Another OMC connected to the streamer using a Chord Super Aray streaming cable. The OMC is powered by a Paul Hynes SR7EHD with a Shunyata Alpha digital. The Shunyata Alpha digital does to Shunyata Triton(v2)/Typhon. In my system, this OMC sound the best when placed on another Typhon. THe SR7 is placed on Audiophile Stratabase platform as SR7 don't seems to respond well to any footers available in the market that I had tried.

Btw. The Asus RT-N66U is running the media server playing through the thumb drive. Three of the antenna of the router is removed. The wireless power of the router is also set to the lowest 1mW output. The RT-N66U is the best sounding router for this purpose that I had tried so far.

All the network equipment are very sensitive to (1) the surface they are placed on, (2) the power supply, (3) Ethernet cable, (4) the position where they are placed relative to the system. The orientation of the router relative to the system will make quite a big difference to the sound to.

One more thing. The way the SMPS is plugged into the MPC-12 will a difference to the sound too (how the two pin enter the US socket). For two SMPS, there are a total of 4 possible combinations. However, I had not tried which combination of socket sound the best as this is very difficult to do due to burn in issue.

This is the best sounding network solution that I tried so far.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on April 13, 2016, 16:54
For those who are interested in optical media converter for streamers:

(http://i1260.photobucket.com/albums/ii567/sckwan/File%2013-4-16%204%2013%2048%20pm.jpeg) (http://s1260.photobucket.com/user/sckwan/media/File%2013-4-16%204%2013%2048%20pm.jpeg.html)

On the server side: Asus RT-N66U to Planet FST-802 (optical media converter - OMC). Asus router powered by its own SMPS (sound better than most LPS in the market. But different batches of RT-N66U may come with different SMPS which sound different). Planet FST-802 powered by FRIWO MPP Medical grade SMPS (sound better than a lot of LPS in the market too). Both SMPS are plugged into Shunyata MPC-12 which in turn plugged into a Shunyata Triton(v2)/Typhon. I placed the router and OMC on the floor as it sound better in my system that way.

On the streamer side: Another OMC connected to the streamer using a Chord Super Aray streaming cable. The OMC is powered by a Paul Hynes SR7EHD with a Shunyata Alpha digital. The Shunyata Alpha digital does to Shunyata Triton(v2)/Typhon. In my system, this OMC sound the best when placed on another Typhon. THe SR7 is placed on Audiophile Stratabase platform as SR7 don't seems to respond well to any footers available in the market that I had tried.

Btw. The Asus RT-N66U is running the media server playing through the thumb drive. Three of the antenna of the router is removed. The wireless power of the router is also set to the lowest 1mW output. The RT-N66U is the best sounding router for this purpose that I had tried so far.

All the network equipment are very sensitive to (1) the surface they are placed on, (2) the power supply, (3) Ethernet cable, (4) the position where they are placed relative to the system. The orientation of the router relative to the system will make quite a big difference to the sound to.

This is the best sounding network solution that I tried so far.
Finally you showcase yours... ;D
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: milk_vanilla on April 13, 2016, 16:58
Finally you showcase yours... ;D


U don't know my initial post just to bait his setup out ?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on April 13, 2016, 17:00

U don't know my initial post just to bait his setup out ?
Wahaha...he held back so long...
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Instek_88 on April 13, 2016, 17:09

U don't know my initial post just to bait his setup out ?

Btw. Of all the optical media converters that I had tried, the 100 version sound better than the 1000 version.My guess is that the 100 noise emission standard is for home use (EMC class B), whereas the noise emission standard for 1000 is for industrial use (EMC class A) .Please check further as I maybe wrong.

But I had not compared single versus multimode OMC.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: pcking on April 13, 2016, 17:30
Must we use "Audiophile" Fiber Optic cables too ?  :P
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on April 13, 2016, 17:53
Must we use "Audiophile" Fiber Optic cables too ?  :P
Can we use normal one first, dont get it started...  :-X
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Instek_88 on April 13, 2016, 18:05
Must we use "Audiophile" Fiber Optic cables too ?  :P

I had not tried one and had not heard of one. And I had not compare different brands, different lengths, different terminations, and etc. Not sure if it makes a difference but I gave up trying to reason the theory behind it after experimenting network for a while.

I guess it better to work on other parts of the network first as they do still make quite a "significant" difference. Quite a lot of things can be optimise other than the fibre optic.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: AndrewC on April 13, 2016, 21:26
Need to hunt if they still have a pair single mode converter to be thrown.

But wondering if they both make difference though? And another curiosity how bout if change into 1000-T converter,  but i think lumin only run 100-T in it's ethernet port end, it will be throttle down to 100

Whether MM or SM is better kind of depends on the Converter/SFP/Fibres in question... Bit errors, especially on MM and if the fibre connectors are not clean, are not uncommon. In most cases though, for typical short length (home) use of less than 100 meters, it won’t make any difference at all if using using a respectable Media Converter.

And if you’re using the media converted in combination with a managed Ethernet switch on the other end, it’s easy to monitor the performance of the optical port precisely. For example, the optical link to my DAC’s Ethernet port has an uptime of 99 days today (i.e. since I last rebooted/reconfigured anything), there are ZERO errors of any kind ;D, and latency/jitter has no implication on Ethernet traffic to my DAC.

(http://i1035.photobucket.com/albums/a436/andrewc888/General_zpseyomtzk6.png~original) (http://i1035.photobucket.com/albums/a436/andrewc888/IOE_zpsexhtgpdj.png~original)

As for whether 100Mbps or GE optical link is better, depends on what your DAC’s Ethernet port speed is, just going full line rate of that port should be fine as long as you’re not seeing any errors, GE isn’t automatically better.

Audio’s right about the Power supply making difference… but thats more to do with electrical noise riding on the Ethernet port than the Ethernet traffic itself. I use an LPS for the Converter at my DAC end. I haven’t tried batteries though ;D
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: AndrewC on April 13, 2016, 21:31
For those who are interested in optical media converter for streamers:

(http://i1260.photobucket.com/albums/ii567/sckwan/File%2013-4-16%204%2013%2048%20pm.jpeg) (http://s1260.photobucket.com/user/sckwan/media/File%2013-4-16%204%2013%2048%20pm.jpeg.html)
...
This is the best sounding network solution that I tried so far.

Very nice!!  :)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: milk_vanilla on April 13, 2016, 21:37
Whether MM or SM is better kind of depends on the Converter/SPF/Fibres in question... Bit errors, especially on MM and if the fibre connectors are not clean, are not uncommon. In most cases though, for typical short length (home) use of less than 100 meters, it won’t make any difference at all if using using a respectable Media Converter.

Thanks Andrew, i will stay with this setup for the time being.
Putting this optic in between my mini (minim server)  to lumin, is quite hugh leap on what lumin sound can bring.

Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Instek_88 on April 13, 2016, 22:21
Thanks Andrew, i will stay with this setup for the time being.
Putting this optic in between my mini (minim server)  to lumin, is quite hugh leap on what lumin sound can bring.

Just to share a bit. My theory is that its not really a data issue but rather a noise issue. As Andrew mentioned, the transmission error is serious extremely low. There are 3 ways for noise to travel to the server to streamer side (referring to OMC):

(1) through mains,
(2) through ethernet cable,
(3) through air as electromagnetic radiation


On point (1)
I tested (1) and its very hard to completely remove this factor. I can hear differences even if I place the server side equipment far away from the audio mains (my audio mains is a dedicated mains btw). Even if I use a 50m electrical cable to extend the line of the mains line for the server side, I can still hear the difference. Things changed a lot when I got the Shunyata MPC-12 (with same digital coil as the DPC-6) and this thing really work. But when I plug the MPC-12 into the Triton(v2)/Typhon, the sound quality takes another step forward.

I think the next step maybe to try using batter power on the server side equipment. This will take the server side out of the mains circuit. Might be worth trying but keep point (3) in mind as well as I suspect the noise emission through air may increase due to this arrangement. Lastly, there is also a problem of charging those battery. The power usage of OMC and router maybe between 10-15W. Power consumption will multiply a few times if you use a NAS.

Personally I tried using battery power on the streamer side OMC and I did not keep to that arrangement. In my system, it makes the system sound really flat and boring. Battery power at the server side may have the following weakness: (1) the ripple of battery is not that low as compared to good LPS, and (2) the battery cannot dissipate the digital noise created by the streamer side OMC and thus may reflect it back to the streamer. This means that noise goes into the streamer through the Ethernet port which is what we don't want. Of course, this is just my guess. Thus I think its better to use a good LPS like the Teddy Pardo LPS (or if possible a Paul Hynes SR7) on this streamer side OMC, then add a Shunyata Alpha Digital power cord to further remove the digital noise.

On point (2)
Electrical noise can't travel through the fibre optics. So this is out. However, the Ethernet cable on the streamer side is still extremely important. For the server side, even with my current arrangement, I can still hear very slight differences in different Ethernet cable.

On point (3)

Put the equipment far away from the system if possible (which is not possible in my case). Or create a Faraday's cage around the server side equipment to contain the radiation, which is something that I had not really tried seriously.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on April 13, 2016, 23:02
As promised....pictures:-

(http://audio.sg/pic/batteryusb-01.jpg)
(http://audio.sg/pic/batteryusb-02.jpg)

Undergoing testing and experimenting......
(http://audio.sg/pic/batteryusb-03.jpg)

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: AndrewC on April 14, 2016, 06:28
As promised....pictures:-
...

I was under the impression that Sealed Lead Acid Batteries have pretty wild voltage fluctuations over the life-span of their charge cycle? No?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Jagdpanzer on April 14, 2016, 08:40
I was under the impression that Sealed Lead Acid Batteries have pretty wild voltage fluctuations over the life-span of their charge cycle? No?

Audio,

Lead acid batteries produce oxygen and hydrogen during charging, especially in the event of overcharging.  These gases are produced by the electrolysis of water from the aqueous solution of sulfuric acid.  When a lead acid battery cell “blows” or becomes incapable of being charged properly, the amount of hydrogen produced can increase catastrophically. The flammable hydrogen gas, when ignited can raze your whole system because of your "live" system and combustibles involved.

I still want to listen to your system whenever I visit HK. ;D



Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on April 14, 2016, 10:07
You charge your battery overnight......and then plug in the battery only when you are listening to your system.  I have left the battery connected for more than 24 hours in the system without any charging and it still works.  Please understand that you are running a 6VDC battery to a device that only requires 5VDC and the battery is capable / certified  to deliver 1 AMP for 12 hours.  I felt that the media convertor only use a fraction of an Amp.

Once I finish testing, I will build a linear charger and use a relay to disconnect the battery from the charging circuit and power  the media convertor using a changeover relay (2 poles, 6 contacts).  When you switch off your preamp, the replay will disconnect the power to the media convertor and then go back to charging.

There is no danger because these are sealed batteries.  When over charging occur...there is a valve to relieve the internal pressure.  The charging must limit the overall voltage of the battery and use a current limiter during charging.  I normally charge the battery art about 1.5 Amp and try to limit the battery to about 7.2VDC.

And yes, somehow, the dual port SFP / dual ethernet convertor sounds better than a single port ethernet / SFP media converter.  I like the "CableRack" brand a lot.  (AndrewC is giggling, I am sure)  For transceivers, I use TP-Link Single Mode TL-SM311LS.....because these are trouble-free....works first time, everytime....and comparably cheaper than the Cisco and such.  Fibre, I use the compatible 10G type (light blue), they are compatible to the Single Mode transceivers....AndrewC won't frown on this one.  Don't show him your fibre if they are orange in colour.

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: naimster on April 14, 2016, 11:18
I am using a 3M media converter in multi mode configuration to decouple the noise from my Synology NAS to my streamer. It still lose to my streamer hooked direct to my SSD by a big margin. My take is if you can make your digital solution as direct as possible with less computers (NAS itself is a computer) you will get better sound.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on April 14, 2016, 11:32
I am using a 3M media converter in multi mode configuration to decouple the noise from my Synology NAS to my streamer. It still lose to my streamer hooked direct to my SSD by a big margin. My take is if you can make your digital solution as direct as possible with less computers (NAS itself is a computer) you will get better sound.


Points taken.

There is no NAS in my system.  All music content are stored in an SSD RAID 5 array, I got 5 SSDs connected to a Adaptec RAID card so I don't waste CPU cycle handling the RAID.

As soon as the Allied Telesis card arrived, it will be plug into one of the PCI-e slot and  the fibre output connect to the media convertor directly.   I am not sure would the Lumin lose the IP address or not in this "direct mode" configuration.....fingers crossed.

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: AndrewC on April 14, 2016, 19:50
...  Fibre, I use the compatible 10G type (light blue), they are compatible to the Single Mode transceivers...


:P… Actually, your “Blue” fibre optic cables look like a Aqua multimode cables; it’ll work, but sub-optimally! (Real Blue cables are deep blue and meant for specialist polarized laser use) - and neither are specialised for 10G per se. Google “fiber optic cable color codes” (use American spelling) or refer to the TIA-598C colour coding standard.

As for which cables you should being using for SM SFPs, I’d highly recommend sticking to standard Yellow Single-Mode fibres (ITU G.652/TIA-492C000 compliant) - they’re always used in the industry for 10G, and these days 40G and 100G as well.

Here’s a high-level overview from the fibre optic cable manufacturing leader (Corning);

http://www.youtube.com/v/CopKW_IS_uw&fs=1


...
As soon as the Allied Telesis card arrived, it will be plug into one of the PCI-e slot and  the fibre output connect to the media convertor directly.   I am not sure would the Lumin lose the IP address or not in this "direct mode" configuration.....fingers crossed.
...

If there’s no DHCP server in-between that PC to Lumin connection, just configure both with static IP addresses - keep it simple. A more complex alternative would be to enable DHCP server on Windows ;)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: SL on April 17, 2016, 09:46
Hi Bros, i just noticed that my Lumin seems to registering music files as MP3. Is there any setting I might have accidentally triggered ? I run a mac mini with J river with an external hard disk.

Ps: I seem to be getting these issues after my "upgrade" from Mc19 to mC21. I had an earlier issue where J river did not recognise my Lumin. I accidentally found a sub menu in Jriver to enable UpNP setup and it worked. I must say the J river software whilst good is not the most intuitive and I feel it's certainly not for the computer savvy.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on April 17, 2016, 10:38
Hi Bros, i just noticed that my Lumin seems to registering music files as MP3. Is there any setting I might have accidentally triggered ? I run a mac mini with J river with an external hard disk.

Try JRiver Options -> Media Network -> DLNA Servers.  You should have created a "24-bit Audiophile DAC" there.  For it, try setting Audio Mode to Normal (instead of Specified Output Format), and enabling Advanced -> Bitstream DSD (DoPE), and disabling DSP Studio.

I'll see if I can test with MC21 later today, and post another update if the above is no longer correct.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: SL on April 17, 2016, 16:55
@wklie, thank you so much. Will try this and report.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on April 18, 2016, 08:42
(http://audio.sg/pic/dopestep-4.jpg)

This screenshot is from the old JRiver build.  You just need to change the settings under "Audio" section appearing near the centre of the screenshot.  JRiver default will be to convert your output to MP3 Audio format.  You need to change it to "Original".

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: milk_vanilla on April 20, 2016, 21:28
http://www.bm.rs/Esoteric/Esoteric%20N05%20Preliminary%20Info.pdf

Anyone familiar with the apps?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Miketay on April 21, 2016, 13:36
New to this forum. Just wondering if anyone can help. I tried connecting my Tplink media converter (Fiber to Copper) to my Lumin S1 just the same way I successfully connect to my Aries but the Lumin show network error. I am also using a fibre switch. Thanks.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on April 21, 2016, 14:42
"Network Error" means it cannot obtain an IP address from your DHCP server (usually enabled in a home router), or it cannot detect the network cable.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on April 21, 2016, 14:46
Test your fibre...connect a laptop to the ethernet port off your media convertor.  Very likely cause may be incompatible transceiver or incompatible fibre.

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Miketay on April 21, 2016, 17:15
It never have problem connecting to my Aries streamer before and now I tested it connected readily to my window notebook straight away. Only 2 yellow lights on the right side and none on the left. Any way I can force a connection?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on April 21, 2016, 17:28
Reset your Lumin?

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on April 21, 2016, 17:47
It never have problem connecting to my Aries streamer before and now I tested it connected readily to my window notebook straight away. Only 2 yellow lights on the right side and none on the left. Any way I can force a connection?
Did you tried direct via Ethernet cable without your OMC?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: pcking on April 21, 2016, 18:02
Is your MC a Gigabit Model ? Lumin is 10/100 ?

It never have problem connecting to my Aries streamer before and now I tested it connected readily to my window notebook straight away. Only 2 yellow lights on the right side and none on the left. Any way I can force a connection?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Miketay on April 21, 2016, 18:23
You are right. I am using a gigabit converter. Is there any local supplier for a 10/100 one?  Thanks.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on April 21, 2016, 18:35
Audio is using gigabit, no issue for him too.


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Title: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: milk_vanilla on April 21, 2016, 18:40
Let me check if my DC chaps still have spare , give you pair. I'll PM you if any
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Miketay on April 21, 2016, 21:55
Thanks
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: SL on April 23, 2016, 11:43
I can't seem to find the option to avoid down conversion to MP3 on J river. Will post some pics to show.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: SL on April 23, 2016, 11:57
(https://www.flickr.com/photos/64303802@N07/shares/33q8Xi)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: SL on April 23, 2016, 17:06
Finally got it sorted. It was found in the "add DLNA server" and it's sub menu. Thanks!
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on April 30, 2016, 00:12
VERSION 7.06 (APR 27, 2016)
ENHANCEMENT AND FIX:
Fixed LUMIN U1 problem of Optical and Coaxial output in 20bit instead of 24bit.
Fixed LUMIN U1 unable to use NTFS formated USB HDD.
Fixed problem of repeat playback of very short (<20sec) music track.


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: riderr2000 on May 23, 2016, 09:21
Just to share a bit. My theory is that its not really a data issue but rather a noise issue. As Andrew mentioned, the transmission error is serious extremely low. There are 3 ways for noise to travel to the server to streamer side (referring to OMC):

(1) through mains,
(2) through ethernet cable,
(3) through air as electromagnetic radiation



In that case, will using a portable hard drive plugged directly into the streamer help? I don't have my streamer yet so can't try it out, but will test that when I finally get it...
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on May 23, 2016, 10:37
In that case, will using a portable hard drive plugged directly into the streamer help? I don't have my streamer yet so can't try it out, but will test that when I finally get it...
In my previous tests, portable hdd connected via Lumin's USB port sounds worse than NAS. Not sure will it helps if 1) using SSD hdd 2) using SSD hdd plus USB isolation.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: naimster on May 23, 2016, 15:35
In my previous tests, portable hdd connected via Lumin's USB port sounds worse than NAS. Not sure will it helps if 1) using SSD hdd 2) using SSD hdd plus USB isolation.
Very simple. Try thumbdrive and you're getting much better results than NAS, SSD is worth pursuing.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Instek_88 on May 23, 2016, 19:10
Very simple. Try thumbdrive and you're getting much better results than NAS, SSD is worth pursuing.

My current streamer doesn't have any USB slot. But I had compared using SSD, HDD, and thumb drive on the router, and the thumb drive sound the best. The SSD that I tested are Intel X-25M, X-25E and 320.

My previous streamer, the Naim NDX, was able to accept an external drive. But that was more than 4 years ago so I can't remember clearly. But I vaguely recalled that the thumb drive sound better than the basic network connection.
Title: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on May 23, 2016, 19:11
Yeah, I know SSD is the way to go vs conventional hdd.

Anyone is using hardware raid based cage for SSD? The cage is powered by LPS and USB connection between the cage and Lumin is isolated by USB regen etc products?

Also, just connect a battery based mobile router to Lumin. Probably yielding better results?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: naimster on May 23, 2016, 19:41
My current streamer doesn't have any USB slot. But I had compared using SSD, HDD, and thumb drive on the router, and the thumb drive sound the best. The SSD that I tested are Intel X-25M, X-25E and 320.

My previous streamer, the Naim NDX, was able to accept an external drive. But that was more than 4 years ago so I can't remember clearly. But I vaguely recalled that the thumb drive sound better than the basic network connection.
Not surprising Thumbdrive is better than Ssd. Ssd still got quite a bit of electronics to move around the bits to improve write cycles life whereas Thumbdrive is a a passive memory device. Unfortunately it is still the biggest memory device that doesn't have moving parts.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: duylinhdesign on June 16, 2016, 13:52
My Lumin just have a LPSU upgrade from Alvin. The sound improvement is great. Soundstage, layering and pinpoint image comparable with higher Lumin A1.. With further fiber isolation apply to the ethernet connection im almost done with D1 upgrade..
The next one maybe some fuse upgrade  and footers only :)


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on June 16, 2016, 14:00
Soundstage, layering and pinpoint image comparable with higher Lumin A1..
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I don't think so... A1 excels D1 more than just adding a LPSU. If T1, might be possible  :).
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Instek_88 on June 16, 2016, 15:10
Agree with Tiktokape.

Heard D1 a few times with different LPS. And one of the LPS is one of the best in the market that I had heard (within a sensible price range). I think there is still quite appreciable gap between the D1/LPS and the A1/stockPS.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on June 16, 2016, 16:13
Metal block shielding is everything....as with Ayre KX-R and MX-R....even Apple Macbook too...    :)

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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: AndrewC on June 16, 2016, 18:10
Metal block shielding is everything....as with Ayre KX-R and MX-R....even Apple Macbook too...    :)

(Audio)

As with Linn, since 1999! when they introduced the Sondek CD12; milled from solid aluminium blocks (if only the drive mech was more reliable I’d have never sold it off, still haunts my dreams ;D), and the Klimax series which Lumin practically copied the design exactly :P
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on June 16, 2016, 18:16
As with Linn, since 1999! when they introduced the Sondek CD12; milled from solid aluminium blocks (if only the drive mech was more reliable I’d have never sold it off, still haunts my dreams ;D), and the Klimax series which Lumin practically copied the design exactly :P

And why they copy it?   Because it works!!   Super kiasu shielding make the output damn silent that you can hear all the small small details......

(Audio)


 
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Instek_88 on June 16, 2016, 18:31
And why they copy it?   Because it works!!   Super kiasu shielding make the output damn silent that you can hear all the small small details......

Whether the milled solid aluminium chassis is effective is a question mark. And in what ways it is effective (control of vibration of the chassis, EMI shielding, and etc) is another question mark. Maybe it is just a marketing gimmick. Personally I don't find the appearance of that chassis (DS, Kontrol, DSM, and etc) special in any way but the air vents of the Klimax amplifiers are nice looking. The quality of the finishing and the way the air vents are being milled out are pretty impresssive.

I am thinking of looking for a Linn Klimax DS/1 renew owner to do a comparison against the original Klimax DS/1. The only difference between the original DS and the renew DS is just the casing.

Klimax Solo:

(http://afroaudio.com/shohin_img/2014_09/18963_KLIMAXSOLO/1.jpg)

(http://www.hificorner.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/800x800/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/s/e/selection_051_1.png)

(https://small.linncdn.com/website/responsive/images/products/power-amps/detail-shots/Klimax-Solo-Underside-900x600.jpg)

Klimax Renew Casing:

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j19/Agata500/image.jpg1_zpsiivq2xtu.jpg)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Davemusic on June 18, 2016, 17:35
I am using a D1, am curious and tempted to get a better external DAC to go with it rather upgrading to a higher Lumin model.
With technology improving in DAC I only need to upgrade my dac. Not sure that make sense...
Anyone has experience using ext dac with Lumin?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on June 18, 2016, 17:50
I am using a D1, am curious and tempted to get a better external DAC to go with it rather upgrading to a higher Lumin model.
With technology improving in DAC I only need to upgrade my dac. Not sure that make sense...
Anyone has experience using ext dac with Lumin?
It depends the budget you allocated on the DAC. I ever tried using D1 and output via coaxial to my Parasound Halo Integrated amp & sub $2k DAC, it sounds pretty decent however I still prefers D1's DAC.

Also if you want to playback DSD, you need to identify DAC capable of outputting DSD via SPDIF. Read more here: http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f6-dac-digital-analog-conversion/which-direct-stream-digital-digital-analogue-converter-supports-dsd-over-pcm-over-spdif-15950/


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Davemusic on June 18, 2016, 22:19
Thanks Tiktokape!
I have very limited knowledge of these digital interface. If I understand you correctly the DAC must be able to decode DSD signal from Lumin via SPDIF, which a lot of older technology DAC may not able?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on June 18, 2016, 22:28
For improving the performance from D1, consider a LPS first.

If you really want to try an external DAC, choose one that supports "DSD over PCM (DoP) over coaxial".  Many DSD DAC only support DSD (over PCM) via USB but not over coaxial.  Even within the class of DAC that fits this requirement, there are some that only support 2.822MHz DSD64 but not 3.072MHz DSD64+ (if you use D1 to upsample 48kHz or 96kHz PCM to DSD64+).
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Davemusic on June 19, 2016, 06:34
Hi wklie,
Thanks! I realized the value of external dac is limited by Lumin digital output, from D1 to S1 the digital output is:
DIGITAL AUDIO:
BNC SPDIF:
PCM 44.1kHz-192kHz, 16-24bit
DSD (DoP, DSD over PCM) 2.8MHz, 1bit
The only way is extensive testing during home trial. I am not familiar with up-sampling yet
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on August 04, 2016, 12:03
Lumin will be present in the Hong Kong AV Show 2016, in case anybody is going there.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Doggie Howser on August 04, 2016, 12:33
For improving the performance from D1, consider a LPS first.

If you really want to try an external DAC, choose one that supports "DSD over PCM (DoP) over coaxial".  Many DSD DAC only support DSD (over PCM) via USB but not over coaxial.  Even within the class of DAC that fits this requirement, there are some that only support 2.822MHz DSD64 but not 3.072MHz DSD64+ (if you use D1 to upsample 48kHz or 96kHz PCM to DSD64+).

Mainly cos SPDIF is limited to 24/192 so you are stuck at DSD1x
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: SL on August 06, 2016, 11:30
Any chance Lumin will have Spotify Connect?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: milk_vanilla on August 06, 2016, 12:13
Not yet, use AirPlay instead
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on October 07, 2016, 10:56
Lumin released Firmware 7.09.

It adds support for Linn Kazoo app, including Tidal / Qobuz features.

Android users may try this.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=uk.co.linn.kazoo&hl=en
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on October 18, 2016, 10:09
Documentation / User's Manual for Lumin / Esoteric Sound Stream app:

http://www.luminmusic.com/lumin-app.html

http://www.esoteric.jp/products/esoteric/net/app/ESOTERIC_Sound_Stream_OM_E_vA.pdf
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on January 11, 2017, 10:38
To get 24-bit Tidal Masters MQA music streamed to Lumin (but without MQA decoding):

1. Use Tidal desktop app on a computer to add a Tidal Masters music to favorite
2. Play it using Lumin from Tidal favorite
3. Observe that the bitdepth is 24bit instead of 16bit - this indicates you're receiving MQA music from Tidal. Since Lumin is not decoding MQA (yet), you will see 44.1kHz or 48kHz only, not a higher bitrate.

In this setup you can verify whether MQA's claim of MQA music sounds better even without any MQA decoding is true or not.

Note: This procedure does not generally apply to other manufacturers. They may still receive 16-bit non-MQA music even if playing favorite Tidal Masters music.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: milk_vanilla on January 12, 2017, 20:44
Anyone playing around with new lumin beta roon integration firmware?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: kimurastanley on January 12, 2017, 20:49
Anyone playing around with new lumin beta roon integration firmware?
I have played with it

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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: semajm85 on January 13, 2017, 17:44
what are you running as your Roon Core?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: eze73 on January 16, 2017, 07:10
Hello
I'm interested in the Lumin U1
I haven't seen any reviews of this ...
Any user experience ?
Thanks
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on January 16, 2017, 10:23
I'm interested in the Lumin U1
I haven't seen any reviews of this ...
Any user experience ?

In case you have missed my reply to your other thread, here it is again:

Three reviews, two in Chinese, one in Japanese:
http://www.post76.com/x2/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=250133
http://my-hiend.com/wp/lumin-u1%E7%B5%A6%E6%82%A8%E6%9C%80%E7%B4%94%E7%B2%B9%E7%9A%84%E6%95%B8%E4%BD%8D%E4%B8%B2%E6%B5%81%E9%9F%B3%E6%A8%82/3/
http://www.phileweb.com/review/article/201606/16/2104.html

Here's my summary and translation of the post76 review of Lumin U1:

Lumin U1 AES output (Oyaide AR-910 5N silver with Furutech carbon fiber balance plug and shielding) to Antelope Zodiac Gold:

- Compared to Lumin U1 RCA output (Audio Synthesis SilverBlue SQ) voice is clearer, background is more silent, weak notes are clearer.

- The reviewer tried a Hong Kong song 24/96 "眼晴不能沒眼淚" by Leo Ku, found that the AES output has an analog feeling, with high resolution and a touch of vinyl sound. It is the best rendition of this song compared to 10 other streamers he tried before (listed in the review).

Lumin U1 USB output (Entreq Challenger USB + Entreq Eartha Silver)

- "Oh My God~!!!!!" Possibly aided by the Entreq Challenger USB connection to a ground box (PAC reference ground box from Hong Kong), the USB output is another level above the AES output, with even deeper silent background, and even clearer weak notes.

- It allows the reviewer to hear some weak notes from the song "春江花月夜/新版十面埋伏" he never heard before. There is no decrease of smoothness compared to AES, not matching some people's general belief of USB being more digital sounding than AES.

- Entreq Challenger USB + Entreq Eartha Silver performs really well here, with even better balance of treble/mid/bass. Voices convey an emotional affection, the high density of the music gives an even better overall atmosphere, with the decays sounding natural with no hint of noises.

- In the reviewer's setup with the same USB cable, Lumin U1 completely beats Aurender N100H (although the latter offers a marginally more relaxed sound)

P.S. Entreq's website explanation of the ground box connection:
"This entails the shielding / drain wire not being connected to the device’s negative pole, but is connected to another external earth point. One of our ground boxes is suggested.
This way, we drain off the interference/noise that the shielding absorbs to the ground outside of the signal paths, instead of the usual mixing it together with the signal wire at the connection to the devices."
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on January 16, 2017, 10:34
Hello
I'm interested in the Lumin U1
I haven't seen any reviews of this ...
Any user experience ?
Thanks

Paging for Audio...
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on January 16, 2017, 11:27
Users' feedback for Lumin U1:

http://www.audioshark.org/showthread.php?t=10568&p=181778&viewfull=1#post181778

http://www.audioshark.org/showthread.php?t=10568&page=2&p=181882&viewfull=1#post181882
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: eze73 on January 17, 2017, 07:35
Hello
Thanks a lot for the work
I'll pursue my readings and report back
Cheers
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on March 08, 2017, 15:34
Roon Ready Firmware 8.01 is released.

Roon users please update Roon to Build 209 or later.  The Roon app Build 209 should show up in a few days.

Roon 30-day trial:
https://www.nativedsd.com/information/roon

Roon can be integrated with Tidal, Tidal 60-day trial:
http://tidal.com/masters

Note: Use a computer web browser to sign up for Tidal, do not use Tidal mobile app (otherwise it'll be more expensive).
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on March 08, 2017, 16:51
Paging for Audio...

I got a friend who picked up a UM1 from last year's HK show where all the Lumin units including the flagship were going at a bargain.

My friend want a one-box solution that includes the pre and power amp....that is, ethernet RG45 in, loudspeaker wires out.  The U1 fits in perfectly.....I think there is synergy with digital audio and Class-D amplification.  He told me that he is very happy with the UM1.

Personally, I think it's a steal...    :)

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on March 08, 2017, 17:07
My friend want a one-box solution that includes the pre and power amp....that is, ethernet RG45 in, loudspeaker wires out.  The U1 fits in perfectly.....I think there is synergy with digital audio and Class-D amplification.  He told me that he is very happy with the U1.

The Lumin with built-in digital Class-D amplification is M1.  I'm glad your friend likes it.

The U1 is a transport model that has Ethernet input, and digital audio output (USB audio / AES / BNC / RCA / optical).  No analog or speaker output of any kind.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on March 08, 2017, 18:57
The Lumin with built-in digital Class-D amplification is M1.  I'm glad your friend likes it.

The U1 is a transport model that has Ethernet input, and digital audio output (USB audio / AES / BNC / RCA / optical).  No analog or speaker output of any kind.


Opps....My friend bought a M1 instead of a U1.  Sorry...   :)

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Doggie Howser on March 08, 2017, 19:09
Just got the entry level D1. Pretty neat. Even does DOP over coax to the DirectStream DAC.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on March 08, 2017, 19:11
Just got the entry level D1. Pretty neat. Even does DOP over coax to the DirectStream DAC.
Why not U1 since you got DS DAC?


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Doggie Howser on March 08, 2017, 19:24
It's on loan from the local distributor
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on March 08, 2017, 19:57
It's on loan from the local distributor
Nice, have fun! Might as well loan U1 too


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: skong121176 on March 08, 2017, 20:11
Roon Ready Firmware 8.01 is released.

Roon users please update Roon to Build 209 or later.  The Roon app Build 209 should show up in a few days.

Roon 30-day trial:
https://www.nativedsd.com/information/roon

Roon can be integrated with Tidal, Tidal 60-day trial:
http://tidal.com/masters

Note: Use a computer web browser to sign up for Tidal, do not use Tidal mobile app (otherwise it'll be more expensive).

Tried but LUMIN only output in airplay...is there any setting to get it to play lossless?


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Doggie Howser on March 08, 2017, 20:15
Nice, have fun! Might as well loan U1 too


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Just a trial run. Maybe later.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: skong121176 on March 08, 2017, 20:25
Tried but LUMIN only output in airplay...is there any setting to get it to play lossless?


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Ok my bad...didn't see that it's showing both LUMIN in airplay mode n analog mode...thank you


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on March 08, 2017, 21:26
Tried but LUMIN only output in airplay...is there any setting to get it to play lossless?

After upgrading Lumin to Firmware 8.01, please go to Roon Audio Setup, find LUMIN under Roon Ready devices, enable it and assign a zone name to it.  If it's not listed, please upgrade your Roon Core to Build 209 or later, or restart the Roon Core if's already the latest.

With Roon Ready there is no reason to use AirPlay in Roon.  (AirPlay music transmission is lossless up to 16/44.1.)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on March 08, 2017, 23:11
Just a trial run. Maybe later.

Told you years ago to try Lumin....now you try D1, entry level....

You try S1...you don't want to listen to your DS anymore....

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: milk_vanilla on March 09, 2017, 08:37

The U1 is a transport model that has Ethernet input, and digital audio output (USB audio / AES / BNC / RCA / optical).  No analog or speaker output of any kind.

Peter,

What would be in the team pipeline after a1/s1 model?

Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Doggie Howser on March 09, 2017, 10:55
Seems a bit pricey - more than the Linn :)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on March 09, 2017, 11:09
Seems a bit pricey - more than the Linn :)
Linn Klimax?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Doggie Howser on March 09, 2017, 11:42
Linn Klimax?

Akkurate is 6.5k here.

Majik is even cheaper 4.3k
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on March 09, 2017, 12:01
Linn does not support DSD at all.  If "DoP over coax" is what you need...

Many users love Lumin upsampling of PCM to DSD.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Miketay on March 09, 2017, 12:06
Unrelated. I have some Sacd rips that show as 176/24 files and play as DSD in LUMIN app and still able to play in LUMIN Roon endpoint with no sound at all. How do I get theee to play under Roon?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: skong121176 on March 09, 2017, 12:07
After upgrading Lumin to Firmware 8.01, please go to Roon Audio Setup, find LUMIN under Roon Ready devices, enable it and assign a zone name to it.  If it's not listed, please upgrade your Roon Core to Build 209 or later, or restart the Roon Core if's already the latest.

With Roon Ready there is no reason to use AirPlay in Roon.  (AirPlay music transmission is lossless up to 16/44.1.)

Thanks bro wklie  ;)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on March 09, 2017, 12:13
Unrelated. I have some Sacd rips that show as 176/24 files and play as DSD in LUMIN app and still able to play in LUMIN Roon endpoint with no sound at all. How do I get theee to play under Roon?

You mean your DSD music packed in a PCM container (i.e. DoP format) plays properly using Lumin app, but with Roon there is no sound, right?

That's because Roon does not support DoP files.  Roon Labs expect you to convert them to DSF.  (I think Roon supports DoP as an output format to DAC, just not as an input music format.)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Miketay on March 09, 2017, 12:15
If that is the case what is the best app to use to do that?  Thanks for your kind attention.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Doggie Howser on March 09, 2017, 13:11
Linn does not support DSD at all.  If "DoP over coax" is what you need...

Many users love Lumin upsampling of PCM to DSD.

No Linn doesn't - but then Linn doesn't really believe in DSD either which is why it wasn't under consideration.

My main point has to do with how a Chinese clone can end up more expensive than the real thing - which is a little bewildering :)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: milk_vanilla on March 09, 2017, 13:27
Not clone, just following the digital trend
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on March 09, 2017, 13:59
My main point has to do with how a Chinese clone can end up more expensive than the real thing - which is a little bewildering :)

Doggie, it is not a clone. 

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: kaydee6 on March 09, 2017, 14:40
My impression of Lumin is not a clone but more like a Xiaomi (Lumin) vs iPhone (Linn).
Xiaomi is not bad but it's no iphone
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Doggie Howser on March 09, 2017, 14:46
Doggie, it is not a clone. 

(Audio)

Download the free Linn Kazoo app.

Voila the LUMIN appears like it was a Linn DS
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on March 09, 2017, 14:59
Download the free Linn Kazoo app.

Voila the LUMIN appears like it was a Linn DS


Wow, is that how you define a clone?   LOL!!

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on March 09, 2017, 15:09
Lumin app and Kazoo app are interchangeable for both Lumin and Linn devices because both use the OpenHome protocol.  I can access Lumin features using Kazoo app on Android, just as there are Linn users who prefer Lumin app on iPad.  Likewise we can use an OpenHome control app such as Bubble DS Next to control either player.  This is what standard compliance is for.  With other manufacturers' network players, if their app has a critical bug or is unavailable for a platform, you have no other choice.  With standard compliance you have.  Standard compliance does not imply cloning.

The top of the line Lumin costs less than USD10k MSRP (ignore the exhibition price for this discussion).  The top of the line Linn costs far more than that.  Lumin S1 uses 4 x ESS9018 chips, and I'm not aware of Linn network players using ESS9018.  With such a fundamental difference I don't see how one can be a clone of the other.  There are also features that Lumin has and Linn does not - DSD, upsampling to DSD, Roon Ready, etc.  I'm also not aware of Linn offering a pure transport like U1.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Doggie Howser on March 09, 2017, 15:22
The Katalyst DAC upgrade on the Linn Klimax uses AKM4497 DACs.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on March 09, 2017, 15:24
http://www.akm.com/akm/en/aboutus/news/20160923AK4497Linn_001/

Asahi Kasei Microdevices Corporation's (AKM) flagship premium audio DAC: the AK4497 has been adopted in LINN Products Limited (LINN) Katalyst DAC architecture that is featured in new network music player Klimax DS/DSM  announced on the 21th September 2016.

KATALYST is LINN's 4th generation DAC architecture. It delivers unparalleled precision thanks to five improved areas: a high-stability input reference level, independent power supplies, LINN-designed data optimization, a high-precision master clock, and the new ultra-low distortion analogue output driver.
Katalyst DAC architecture performs digital-to-analogue conversion with greater precision than ever and is now featured in both the Klimax DS and Klimax DSM.  If you already own a Klimax DS or Klimax DSM, you can take advantage of the biggest performance upgrade by adding KATALYST to your player.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Doggie Howser on March 09, 2017, 15:37
Here's one of the first reviews of the Lumin

http://www.monoandstereo.com/2013/11/lumin-audiophile-network-music-player.html

Quote
reminded me of the most advanced Linn player – the Klimax DS, I thought about the pros and cons of such close resemblance. In this case, however, this resemblance was not an easy copying, imitation or, what some “benevolent” people claimed, cloning, but only a starting point for designing something unique. I personally have no problem with such approach from the constructors of Pixel Magic Systems Ltd., as I pointed out some solutions used by the Scots in their products, which did not wake my enthusiasm, and I was very curious to see competition appearing on the market, who would have resolved those issues. I am writing about that in the very beginning, because in the case of Lumin, there is no special ideology attached to it, and the wheel was not invented again. Its creators admit openly, that they studied the best file players/streamers on the market.

Right down to the app.

Don't get me wrong - does the Lumin sound good? It definitely does.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on March 09, 2017, 15:38
If that is the case what is the best app to use to do that?  Thanks for your kind attention.

If you have the original ISO, perhaps you can try ISO2DSF and/or sacd_extract.

Edit:
VinylStudio can convert DoP file to DSF.  Import the DoP files, make sure that they're detected as DSD.  In the tab for Save Tracks, click More (do not click the Save Tracks button), choose Convert Recording Format and DSF.  After the conversion is done, close VinylStudio and launch Mp3Tag to copy the tags from the DoP files to the newly generated DSF files.

When you try the converted files, turn down the volume in case there is any error or setting issue.

http://www.alpinesoft.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=673.msg2191#msg2191
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Miketay on March 09, 2017, 19:41
Thanks wklie. 
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on April 12, 2017, 11:09
Lumin released Firmware 8.03 for Lumin U1 that does Native DSD and DSD256 (for DSD256 music file only, not upsampling from PCM yet).  [This is for U1 only, other current Lumin models will not gain DSD256 support.]

This is primarily intended for those USB DAC that are supported by Linux in Native DSD256 mode (different from DSD-over-PCM DoP). If the USB DAC supports DoP256, it may also work in case the Native DSD256 data transfer cannot be established. However, DoP256 is rarely supported by USB DAC.

When using Lumin U1 with LampizatOr USB DAC that uses Amanero USB module, it works up to DSD DoP128 only, and Native DSD256 does not work. This is because Amanero support for Linux Native DSD is a work-in-progress, to my knowledge.

It seems that T+A also uses Amanero in some products, so I guess the same limitation is also applicable.


Free DSD256 music download:
http://www.2l.no/hires/
http://ifi-audio.com/audio_blog/quad-speed-dsd256-works-by-ve-kuseru-dorm-nantes-of-japan/
https://members.nativedsd.com/albums/just-listen-1-compilation
https://members.nativedsd.com/albums/mendelssohn-session
http://bluecoastmusic.com/free-downloads
http://www.wechdomi.org/english/index.html
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on June 12, 2017, 12:50
For those who are using Roon, please upgrade Roon Core to Build 234, and Lumin to Firmware 8.04. The new Lumin firmware contains optimizations for Roon Build 234, and may possibly improve SQ.

Feedback on SQ for this upgrade is much appreciated. Thanks.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: kimurastanley on June 12, 2017, 18:30
For those who are using Roon, please upgrade Roon Core to Build 234, and Lumin to Firmware 8.04. The new Lumin firmware contains optimizations for Roon Build 234, and may possibly improve SQ.

Feedback on SQ for this upgrade is much appreciated. Thanks.
Is MQA ready for this update?

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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on June 13, 2017, 00:53
Is MQA ready for this update?

Not yet.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: eze73 on July 09, 2017, 16:14
Hello
I recently bought a Lumin U1
Some initial impressions :
1. The unit is a piece of beauty , heavy and really gorgeous
2. Very easy to use
3. Music sounds really nice .. no harshness , verything is detailed

The U1 is not so well know .. but I don't have an explanation for that
Right now , the U1 has replaced the Aurender N100h in my system

Just some questions now :
In another forums , people have been tending to use the Kenneth Lau PSU instead of the one supplied (6moons have tried it too)
Any user comments or views on that ?
Is it a really upgrade or simple change for us (hifi geeks) ?

Is there a benefit in using a PLIXIR type of conditionner ?
Is there a real gain ?

Thanks

Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: kimurastanley on July 10, 2017, 14:25
U1 supposed to be like S1 minus the DAC. The power supply quality should be top notch.

From what I read, usually those using D1 gets improvement using external PSU such as Kenneth lau.  But I not sure whether these PSUs are better U1 stock PSU

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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: eze73 on July 11, 2017, 01:29
Hello
I have had a conversation with a well known seller
He has advised me not to change the Lumin LPSU
Normally , I should be buying a PLIXIR BAC to test
Cheers
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: matix on July 11, 2017, 09:31
Hello
I have had a conversation with a well known seller
He has advised me not to change the Lumin LPSU
Normally , I should be buying a PLIXIR BAC to test
Cheers

I don't know about the U1.  But the Plixir BAC literally transformed my D1.  It was a huge improvement,  day and night difference. 
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wsdavidcheah on July 11, 2017, 09:57
I don't know about the U1.  But the Plixir BAC literally transformed my D1.  It was a huge improvement,  day and night difference.
Have almost the same experience with my D1,  for me I started with LPS. Day and night difference then I added a AC conditioner (Plixir)  which effects are there but not as dramatic.

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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on July 11, 2017, 11:21
Have almost the same experience with my D1,  for me I started with LPS. Day and night difference

For those who are considering to purchase Lumin D1 to be used with a LPS such as this:

http://positive-feedback.com/reviews/hardware-reviews/lumin-d1-audiophile-network-music-player/

Please be aware that after the currently available units of Lumin D1 are sold, future production will change to an internal switched power supply, because Lumin has received customer feedback saying having an external power supply for D1 is inconvenient, and they prefer an internal power supply.  Using an internal switched power supply would mean eliminating the possibility of convenient external LPS upgrade.

This production change does not apply to other models in the Lumin product line.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on August 08, 2017, 11:07
(LUMIN M1 is an integrated network player with digital amplifier for speaker output: 100W @ 4 ohm, 60W @ 8 ohm)

From LUMIN Facebook:

LUMIN M1
NEW Analogue input

LUMIN M1 now includes an adapter to add RCA or mini-jack audio input via USB.

You can now add another source to an M1 system such as a CD player.

Function:
LUMIN M1 will automatically switch to new analogue input when the adapter is connected, or when LUMIN M1 is woken up with the adapter already connected.

To switch to normal LUMIN Playback, simply play any music using Lumin app, AirPlay, Roon or any OpenHome app.

All new M1 sales will include the new adapter.

Existing M1 owners can purchase the new adapter directly from us or via your dealer. Please contact info@luminmusic.com for details.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on August 09, 2017, 16:47
Lumin released Firmware 9.01 to Fully Decode MQA.  Lumin offers the most flexible MQA settings in the market.  This post explains the Lumin MQA Settings. Currently this post applies to Lumin S1 / A1 / T1 / D1.

To understand MQA terminology, please read this first:
https://www.computeraudiophile.com/ca/ca-academy/mqa-for-civilians/

MQA Analog Output Mode:
- This is case D in the article
- This is the default mode suitable for most users who use the Lumin analog outputs
- Lumin offers Hardware Full Decoding to analog outputs
- Digital output is disabled
- Lumin upsampling is disabled
- This mode will not be available for Lumin U1 because U1 does not have analog outputs

MQA Digital Output Mode:
- This is (usually) case B in the article
- If you use Lumin digital output to connect to an external DAC, this is the mode to be used
- Lumin does MQA Core decoding and outputs 24/96 or 24/88.2 to external DAC in this mode
- If used with an external DAC that is a MQA Renderer such as Berekeley Alpha Reference 2 with (announced) MQA upgrade, this becomes case C - please keep Lumin volume at 100, otherwise MQA Rendering will fail
- Note that in MQA Digital Output mode, the front panel and the app sample rate display refers to the MQA sample rate of the MQA music, not the actual sample rate of the digital output (either 96kHz or 88.2kHz)
- Analog outputs are disabled
- Lumin upsampling is disabled

MQA Passthrough Mode:
- This is case A (for Lumin) in the article.
- If you use Lumin digital output to an external DAC that is a MQA Full Decoder (case D), e.g. Mytek Brooklyn, this MQA Passthrough Mode allows Lumin to send raw MQA data to the external DAC to be fully MQA decoded.
- Note that in MQA Passthrough mode, the front panel and the app sample rate display refers to the MQA sample rate of the MQA music, not the actual sample rate of the digital output (either 48kHz or 44.1kHz).
- Analog outputs are disabled
- Lumin upsampling is disabled (otherwise subsequent MQA decoding will fail)
- Lumin digital volume is disabled (otherwise subsequent MQA decoding will fail)

Off Mode:
- This is case A in the article.
- Starting from Firmware 9.01, if MQA is set to Off, Lumin retrieves the 16/44.1kHz version of Tidal master instead of the 24-bit version for any MQA decoding.
- Lumin upsampling can be used. This is the mode to be used if users do not care about MQA decoding and would rather upsample Tidal Masters to DSD, or to lower the download bandwidth required
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: eze73 on August 12, 2017, 20:29
Hello
Does that mean that the U1 will not be MQA compatible (DAC is the chord DAve)
Thanks
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on August 14, 2017, 10:58
Lumin is working on adding MQA Core decoding to U1.  This will enable your Chord Dave to get 96kHz or 88.2kHz from Tidal MQA music.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: eze73 on August 14, 2017, 17:19
Hello
Thanks a lot for the answer
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on August 29, 2017, 17:03
I've generated a new Tidal Masters MQA spreadsheet with 3315 albums.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1T0xnOzPQZai32L7R7e_uzxfBqhXrPuXh3USOjvuztYg/edit?usp=sharing
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on August 30, 2017, 09:53
I was pleasantly surprised with the MQA list when I saw it while taking my bus home yesterday.  These are exciting times.  Thanks Wklie.  Will you be around at the Guangzhou show, 2 weeks from now?

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on August 30, 2017, 10:38
I'm afraid not...
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: eze73 on September 10, 2017, 22:07
Hello
I have updated the Lumin U1 for mqa support
Some things to share :
My system for listening the mqa via tidal is as follows :
Lumin U1 is connected to Chord Dave via AES EBU . The U1 is connected to my internet bow via RJ45 + network filter . The U1 is also connected to Melco N1A via Ethernet RJ45 + filter . The melco stores my music
The Lumin + Melco +DAVE are filtered via the excellent PLIXIR BAC
Listening is done via Focal Elear earphone via DAVE
Album tested is Marvin Gaye " What's going on "
44.1 flac, and 196 flac are stored on the Melco
Tidal streams 44.1 , and the 196 versions
Conclusions (FOR ME)
1. The flac in the Melco and the one from Tidal MQA , sounds the same (both 44.1 and 196)
2. The HD version sounds better to my ears than the CD version

I have been a MQA septic , because I like to buy my music
However , it's more practical to have Tidal (albeit being dependant on inibternet)
Lastly , I should state that LUMIN has been of tremendous support , and the Lumin app on IOS works really good
When I see the difficulty of having DSD files , and the easiness to have MQA high res files , I guess that mqa will be a good streaming format (even if there are loads of septics like me)
I wish to express my thanks to wklie for his support
Cheers
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on September 11, 2017, 10:50
Thanks for the feedback eze73.

The spreadsheet above is updated to 3560 albums.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: eze73 on September 12, 2017, 17:07
Hello
futher listening sessions confirming the above impressions
However , it would be interesting to compare with DSD format
Why has DSD not taken the rise ?
It seems to be that SOny is one of the major promoters of the format, and one of the major production company
Cheers
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on September 14, 2017, 11:43
Here's a MQA vs Vinyl comparison done by a Lumin dealer:
http://www.audioshark.org/showthread.php?t=12570&page=4&p=215410#post215410
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: eze73 on September 16, 2017, 01:07
Hello
Following the mqa compatibility
1. I understood that the U1 is just unfolding the mqa .. but the Chord DAVE does not decode MQA .. is there a big difference ?
2. A new firmware is out for the U1 , do I have to update ?
Cheers
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on September 16, 2017, 10:36
In a Lumin U1 + Chord (or any other non-MQA DAC) configuration, Lumin U1 performs the MQA Core decoding to 96 or 88.2kHz so you get Hi-Res musical content.  The lack of MQA in Chord means that you do not get the DAC-side deblurring offered by MQA.  This is case B in this article:
https://www.computeraudiophile.com/ca/ca-academy/mqa-for-civilians/

With a MQA Full Decoder to analog outputs, i.e. Lumin S1 / A1 / T1 / D1, MQA is fully decoded and DAC-side deblurring is applied.  This is case D in the above article.

The public U1 firmware does not support MQA Core decoding yet.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: eze73 on September 16, 2017, 14:24
In a Lumin U1 + Chord (or any other non-MQA DAC) configuration, Lumin U1 performs the MQA Core decoding to 96 or 88.2kHz so you get Hi-Res musical content.  The lack of MQA in Chord means that you do not get the DAC-side deblurring offered by MQA.  This is case B in this article:
https://www.computeraudiophile.com/ca/ca-academy/mqa-for-civilians/

With a MQA Full Decoder to analog outputs, i.e. Lumin S1 / A1 / T1 / D1, MQA is fully decoded and DAC-side deblurring is applied.  This is case D in the above article.

The public U1 firmware does not support MQA Core decoding yet.


THANKS a lot
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on September 28, 2017, 19:18
Lumin U1 is now MQA certified, along with S1 / A1 / T1 / D1.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: justubes on September 29, 2017, 00:42
Lumin U1 is now MQA certified, along with S1 / A1 / T1 / D1.

Thats great to hear that all the Lumins areMQA compliant.

In your opinion, with the other lumin full mqa decoder, how much more does one get with full mqa over core mqa decoding?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on September 30, 2017, 08:10
High end DAC manufacturers are avoiding MDA because of politics and because it is a lossy format.

The exceptions are MSB and Bekerley....and of course Lumin...  :)

Chore Dave doing MQA, I think unlikely....just be like me, buy a Lumin exclusively to play MQA....just a D1 will do.

(Audio)


Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: jerome_the_lang on September 30, 2017, 09:41
It has been recently reported that DAC manufacturers wishing to get on the MQA bandwagon have to hand over the design/workings/etc of their products.

And to assure other DAC makers that there is not a lot of incentive for him to do anything with what he learns, Bob Stuart recently divorced himself officially from Meridian (as of 4 September 2017).....

 ::)


Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on October 03, 2017, 17:48
with the other lumin full mqa decoder, how much more does one get with full mqa over core mqa decoding?

Technically, full MQA decoding unfolds to higher sampling rates, whereas Core decoding is always 96 or 88.2kHz.

Subjectively, digital harshness is further lowered.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: dc5_itr on October 27, 2017, 21:32
Lumin now support Spotify connect!

Thanks wklie for the firmware upgrade.

Just upgraded the firmware and it’s working. Now the display will show everything like the song name, artists name and bitrate.

@ wklie, is this still in beta or final firmware to support Spotify connect?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: kimurastanley on October 28, 2017, 10:14
Is it beta firmware?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on October 29, 2017, 23:50
Yes, that's in beta.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on October 30, 2017, 08:03
So how do we update for those interested in?


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: kimurastanley on October 30, 2017, 08:42
Can't wait to test Spotify connect function

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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on October 30, 2017, 10:38
Lumin now support Spotify connect!

Just upgraded the firmware and it’s working. Now the display will show everything like the song name, artists name and bitrate.

Does native Spotify Connect sound better than Spotify via AirPlay?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: dc5_itr on October 30, 2017, 16:46
Does native Spotify Connect sound better than Spotify via AirPlay?

Initial impression when comparing both at the same volume at the amp, Spotify connect seems to play louder. It just sound fuller from top to bottom as compare to via airplay which sound “thin”.

So I think yes it sound better based on my personal impression.

Others may want to input your impression?

 
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: kimurastanley on October 30, 2017, 19:14
Agree. Spotify connect sounds fuller compared to airplay.



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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Azmi on October 30, 2017, 20:41
Does lumin D1 supports spotify connect??  I jus couldn't find it (spotify connect)in the lumin controls apps. So far using airplay only.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on November 14, 2017, 15:50
Coinciding with the release of Lumin D2, Lumin Firmware 10 (for all Lumin network players and transport) introduces support for Spotify Connect. Note: Requires a Spotify Premium account.

Although it was possible to use Spotify Connect via AirPlay, the Lumin native support of Spotify Connect offers the following advantages:

- Better sound quality - as confirmed by beta testers here (thank you!) and our own listening tests

- Support for multiple platform including Android

- Instantaneous response via Spotify app

- Optional upconversion to DSD - so even DSD-only LampizatOr DAC owners can enjoy Spotify via Lumin

Lumin supports Roon Ready, MQA, Tidal Masters, Qobuz Hi-Res, Spotify Connect, TuneIn, AirPlay.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: drac407 on November 14, 2017, 20:37
Now available in black - D2
https://www.facebook.com/luminmusic/posts/966188413518861:0


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on November 15, 2017, 09:28
Now available in black - D2
https://www.facebook.com/luminmusic/posts/966188413518861:0

Lumin D2 (articles in Chinese):
https://unwire.hk/2017/11/14/lumin-d2/wireless-home/
http://www.avbuzz.com/audio-video/201711/lumin-d2/
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: milk_vanilla on November 17, 2017, 09:29
That's gr
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on December 06, 2017, 14:42
Seeking users to participate in a PCM Filter Listening Test.

Requires Lumin A1 / T1 / D2 / D1

(Not for Lumin S1 / M1 / U1)

Objective: to find out whether an alternative filter sounds better for 44.1kHz music and Hi-Res PCM music using an experimental firmware. Switching between the standard filter and the alternative filter only requires a setting change using Lumin app, without requiring installation of the firmware again.

(It is also possible to downgrade from the experimental firmware to official firmware if desired.)

To participate, please let me know your Lumin model so I can send you an experimental firmware and further instructions.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Rachael on December 06, 2017, 22:27
Hi Peter

I m keen to participate the experimental test.

Regards,
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on December 08, 2017, 10:56
Lumin L1 fanless music library (for people who do not want to use a NAS, and/or to match the aesthetics) is now available in a 5TB version, in addition to the previous 2TB model.

http://www.luminmusic.com/lumin-l1.html
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on February 08, 2018, 12:33
Firmware 10.2:

- Improve MQA DAC-side correction sound quality for A1 / T1 / D1 / D2
- Improve DSD to PCM conversion and PCM downsampling sound quality for U1
- Integrate RAAT 1.1.28 for Roon

Note: In Roon playback of MQA music, the signal path may show an unknown filter - this will become meaningful with a future release of Roon.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on February 08, 2018, 15:48
Firmware 10.2:

- Improve MQA DAC-side correction sound quality for A1 / T1 / D1 / D2
- Improve DSD to PCM conversion and PCM downsampling sound quality for U1
- Integrate RAAT 1.1.28 for Roon

Note: In Roon playback of MQA music, the signal path may show an unknown filter - this will become meaningful with a future release of Roon.


Strange.....
- Improve MQA DAC-side correction sound quality for A1 / T1 / D1 / D2

No improvement for S1?

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on February 08, 2018, 16:31
For the S1 the MQA sound quality has already been the best possible (according to MQA criteria) since firmware 9.01.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on February 08, 2018, 16:32
No wonder, I am not complaining about MQA.   :)

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on March 30, 2018, 17:10
Female Lumin user interview in Mandarin.

For those of you who cannot understand it, at least you can check out the beauty - I mean the speakers.  :)
http://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/LrWxL_7K4LCQSwBy5gi0Hw
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on May 10, 2018, 15:50
(http://www.audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=22651&stc=1)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on May 10, 2018, 16:49
Lumin AMP (Class AB)

Matched styling. Unmatched performance.

160W per channel into 8Ω
320W per channel into 4Ω
2-channel design can be configured in Stereo, Dual Mono or Bridged mode
Class AB Amplification
Discrete Circuit
No global feedback
XLR and RCA analog inputs

It offers a clean sound, and is much better in driving difficult speakers than other amplifiers in its price class.

Its 200kohm high input impedance makes it easy to be paired with any tube or SS pre-amp, or direct from Lumin players.

More details to be shown in the website soon.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on May 10, 2018, 16:49
The new Lumin X1 Flagship Roon Ready Network Player inherits (almost) all the features from S1 plus many improvements:

Dual ES9038Pro
DSD512
Femto Clock
New output stage
New power supply
Optical network (in addition to copper Ethernet network)
XLR, RCA, BNC-SPDIF, USB audio output (*)

More details to be shown in the website soon.

* Only one output is active at any time.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on May 10, 2018, 21:09
The new Lumin X1 Flagship Roon Ready Network Player inherits (almost) all the features from S1 plus many improvements:

Dual ES9038Pro
DSD512
Femto Clock
New output stage
New power supply
Optical network (in addition to copper Ethernet network)
XLR, RCA, BNC-SPDIF, USB audio output (*)

More details to be shown in the website soon.

* Only one output is active at any time.

I want...When available?  What pricing?   :)

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on May 10, 2018, 21:25
I want...When available?  What pricing?   :)

(Audio)
Maybe upcoming HK show will have promo?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on May 10, 2018, 21:28
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180510/cc33b927a5c64ae75c6d9b59b63a5220.jpg)

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180510/4e39e349cb02cfc552a56a2d6d7ace4d.jpg)

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180510/552d022170c039ab5204c38a31213052.jpg)

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180510/4da7adc72f1ba25a4c9de2faff037461.jpg)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on May 10, 2018, 21:36
I forgot to say this: X1 offers improved dynamics, imaging and tonal quality over S1.

For pricing, please check with your dealers.   ;)

As for promotion in HK show, that's too early to be determined.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on May 10, 2018, 23:38
I forgot to say this: X1 offers improved dynamics, imaging and tonal quality over S1.

For pricing, please check with your dealers.   ;)

As for promotion in HK show, that's too early to be determined.

It's available now?

Can get one piece from you in HK?

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on May 11, 2018, 01:09
Not yet, but hopefully soon.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: justubes on May 11, 2018, 08:51
Yay!

Please keep us updated, once available!

With the fibre port, can it do AOIP via a fibre to copper converter if a dac supports it?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on May 11, 2018, 10:04
No AOIP.  We still need MinimServer or Lumin L1 on the network to serve music via UPnP.

The fiber port can be used in these ways:

Network switch -> FMC (MC210CS) -> single mode fiber -> Lumin X1 with TL-SM311LS

or

Optical network switch -> fiber -> Lumin X1 with appropriate SFP
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on May 11, 2018, 10:06
I would imagine with the X1,  we just tap the data stream from our Music Server / Music Streamer to the X1 and use a fiber to fiber connection, or at most using a fiber switch in between..  You only need Fiber Ethernet NIC cards installed in your PC.   This will remove the Media convertor I have at the Hi Fi rack feeding both Lumin S1 and Ayre QX-5.

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on May 11, 2018, 10:11
Not yet, but hopefully soon.
Is X1 price going to be based on S1 or above S1? Will A1 be taken off the product ranges?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on May 11, 2018, 11:33
Is X1 price going to be based on S1 or above S1? Will A1 be taken off the product ranges?

X1 price is going to be higher than the current price of S1.  With the exception of D1 (replaced by D2), the whole Lumin product range continues to be available.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on May 11, 2018, 11:38
I would imagine with the X1,  we just tap the data stream from our Music Server / Music Streamer to the X1 and use a fiber to fiber connection, or at most using a fiber switch in between..  You only need Fiber Ethernet NIC cards installed in your PC.   This will remove the Media convertor I have at the Hi Fi rack feeding both Lumin S1 and Ayre QX-5.

Hmmm...  Do you mean setting up the PC as a router with its own DHCP server for the fiber network, then direct connect the Fiber Ethernet NIC to X1?  Lumin needs an IP address from a DHCP server, and it also needs to be able to stream from Internet Tidal / Qobuz / Spotify, etc.

As for using a switch that supports both optical fiber and copper Ethernet, yes that will work, but then you don't need the Fiber Ethernet NIC.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on May 13, 2018, 12:32
I was thinking of fixing the Lumin IP static. Then I physically swap the fiber lines within the LC connector carrier... I will do this if I am doing JPlay in the future.

Right now I am doing fibre all the way from music server, fibre switch to inject internet, to a Media converter just before the DAC so it is exciting that the DAC now has a LC socket.

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on July 19, 2018, 02:00
Beyond my anticipation, I have gotten hold of my Lumin X1!

(http://audio.sg/pic/luminx1-01.jpg)
Hand carry it back....

(http://audio.sg/pic/luminx1-02.jpg)
The Lumin X1 now sports a Silver label instead of the S1's gold label.

(http://audio.sg/pic/luminx1-03.jpg)
Thicker and beefier power cable.

(http://audio.sg/pic/luminx1-04.jpg)
Initial Power-Up.

(http://audio.sg/pic/luminx1-05.jpg)
Power supply now have the "milled metal finish" as the Lumin X1.  Nice!

(http://audio.sg/pic/luminx1-06.jpg)
Yes, fiber everything!  Remove the media convertor from the signal chain and plug that LC plug directly into the X1!

(http://audio.sg/pic/luminx1-07.jpg)
This picture is dedicated to our #1 MQA fan in Xtremeplace!!


So mesmerized by the sound of the new X1, I scanned through all my favorite tracks for 3 hours straight.  Missed dinner! It is simply incredible.  The immediate impression you got from the X1 are the dynamics!!  Music is now more liquid, even more transparent.  Congested backing vocals now got space, separation and better definition.

I bought this without an audition.  Just based the decision on blind faith; ES9038Pro chip, fiber Ethernet, improved sampling rates and bit depth.  Worst case, I can just use this for MQA playback.   But now, this is my reference DAC replacing the Ayre QX-5.  Highly recommended.

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: AndrewC on July 19, 2018, 07:01
Waah! :o Looks like a killer! Very smart design with the SFP :)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: milk_vanilla on July 19, 2018, 07:11
congrats Audio!
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on July 19, 2018, 07:35
Congrats Audio on X1! Looks very nice!

Here are some pictures on the black finishing
http://www.avbuzz.com/audio-video/201807/lumin-x1-a/


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on July 19, 2018, 10:05
I'm very happy for you, Audio!  Sorry for causing you to miss dinner!  ;D

There are two ES9038Pro chips inside the X1 for dual mono operation.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: landis1 on July 19, 2018, 10:30
sorry i have not been following the thread but how much is the s1 and the x1 ? thanks!
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: landis1 on July 19, 2018, 10:34
ok the x1 is about hk$8000 which is about s$1500 ;D
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: AndrewC on July 19, 2018, 10:59
ok the x1 is about hk$8000 which is about s$1500 ;D

You're missing an additional Zero in those numbers!!  ;D
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on July 19, 2018, 11:40
You're missing an additional Zero in those numbers!!  ;D
Safety comes first due to public.


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: landis1 on July 20, 2018, 11:25
Yes i have been told through private message. I thought I gave myself a discount thanks ;D
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: DJQ on July 20, 2018, 11:26
S$1500 I also buy...  :P
Sorry add 1 more zero... scary....
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on July 21, 2018, 23:09
Contains some photos of the Lumin X1 internals:

http://www.avbuzz.com/audio-video/201807/x1-2/
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on July 22, 2018, 11:16
Very nice.  Thanks Wikie.

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on August 08, 2018, 12:00
FYI:
There is now an audiophile version of the Cisco SG112-24 Compact switch (with 2 SFP ports) modified with Connor Winfield OCXO.  This dealer also suggests Corning ClearCurve glass fiber for use with Lumin X1.
http://www.hiendy.com/hififorum/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=118289

Lumin will not be present in Hong Kong AV Show 2018 (but should hopefully resume in 2019).  Those who go to Hong Kong may perhaps visit the store above to check out Lumin X1 optical network setup with this particular switch.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: AndrewC on August 11, 2018, 10:48
FYI:
There is now an audiophile version of the Cisco SG112-24 Compact switch (with 2 SFP ports) modified with Connor Winfield OCXO.  This dealer also suggests Corning ClearCurve glass fiber for use with Lumin X1.
http://www.hiendy.com/hififorum/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=118289

Lumin will not be present in Hong Kong AV Show 2018 (but should hopefully resume in 2019).  Those who go to Hong Kong may perhaps visit the store above to check out Lumin X1 optical network setup with this particular switch.

They should modify a Synchronous Ethernet (ITU-T G.8262) compliant Ethernet switch instead if they really want to get it right... putting in an OCXO is pretty useless (except for purely subjective claims of improvements).
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on August 15, 2018, 20:34
They should modify a Synchronous Ethernet (ITU-T G.8262) compliant Ethernet switch instead if they really want to get it right... putting in an OCXO is pretty useless (except for purely subjective claims of improvements).

Please give an example for me to go buy.  Thanks!

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: AndrewC on August 16, 2018, 08:40
Please give an example for me to go buy.  Thanks!

(Audio)

Plenty around from the usual suspect, Google “Ethernet Switches that support SyncE”, and make sure whatever you pick has a BITS interface that accepts a 10MHz TTL clock (as opposed to just an E1/T1 clock interface). Juniper ones are pretty good, like the one below (the tiny gold interfaces are for the reference clock inputs, either 10MHz, or E1/T1 clocks).

That said, your downstream components need to also support interfaces to the same reference clock... If your Lumin X1 doesn't even have a 10MHz clock Reference input, or if your media converter end-point doesn’t also support SyncE, then you’re pretty much wasting your time and money (just like the guys who modded the Cisco switch with a OCXO -  those guys clearly have no clue about clocking matters w.r.t Ethernet/IP packets ;) )


(https://www.juniper.net/assets/img/products/image-library/acx-series/acx2200/acx2200-frontwtop-high.jpg)

Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on August 16, 2018, 17:04
If there is any Lumin user who still experiences Tidal playback stutter issues after changing DNS, please send me a PM and state your model. We have been trying to further mitigate those issues via beta firmwares.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on August 20, 2018, 01:33
User review of Lumin X1:
http://www.hiendy.com/hififorum/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=118513

(Note: the DAC+Ethernet streaming option+PSU upgrade+clock setup he compared Lumin X1 to costs roughly quadruple the price if I'm not mistaken.)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on August 20, 2018, 09:49
(http://audio.sg/pic/ubiquitiedgeswitch.jpg)

I use this simple fiber switch.  Ubiquiti Edgeswitch Fiber 12+

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on September 07, 2018, 10:50
Lumin U1MINI is a cost-reduced full-function version of U1 at the physical size of D2 and a price tag of not higher than D2.
http://www.luminmusic.com/lumin-u1-mini.html

Those who are using D1 or D2 SPDIF output to an external DAC should upgrade to U1MINI for AES / USB output capability and improved SQ.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on September 07, 2018, 12:57
Lumin U1MINI is a cost-reduced full-function version of U1 at the physical size of D2 and a price tag of not higher than D2.
http://www.luminmusic.com/lumin-u1-mini.html

Those who are using D1 or D2 SPDIF output to an external DAC should upgrade to U1MINI for AES / USB output capability and improved SQ.
Looks good, how much will that will be?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: DJQ on September 07, 2018, 13:44
Why LUMIN U1 MINI

Following the huge success of LUMIN D2, we decided to investigate the possibility of making the LUMIN transport technology similarly accessible.

The result is a huge specification in a compact package.

Capable of upsampling and downsampling all the way from 44.1kHz to DSD128 and supporting playback of DSD256, LUMIN U1 MINI matches the U1 in almost every area - except price. <--- ?????
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on September 07, 2018, 13:50
Why LUMIN U1 MINI

Following the huge success of LUMIN D2, we decided to investigate the possibility of making the LUMIN transport technology similarly accessible.

The result is a huge specification in a compact package.

Capable of upsampling and downsampling all the way from 44.1kHz to DSD128 and supporting playback of DSD256, LUMIN U1 MINI matches the U1 in almost every area - except price. <--- ?????

The chassis lo. Similar to D2, T1 compared against A1/S1/X1 and so came the U1 Mini against U1  ;D
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: plasmasiao on September 26, 2018, 14:19
Bot the U1 mini yesterday  :)
Setup was a breeze. Plug in, download the LUMIN app and started playing
Best part was, it worked with the Seagate Personal cloud NAS which can’t run Minim server
It replaced my old MacBook running Audirvana
First impression, wow, soundstage wider and lower noise
So far so good, will let it break in for a few days and see if there is further improvement
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on September 26, 2018, 16:32
First impression, wow, soundstage wider and lower noise

Which DAC are you using, and which type of connection (e.g. USB, AES, etc.) are you using?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: plasmasiao on September 26, 2018, 17:43
Using Chord 2qute via USB
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: DJQ on September 27, 2018, 08:37
Using Chord 2qute via USB
Qute are just babies. should consider Chord QBD76 or Dave.
sorry off topic.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on September 27, 2018, 09:10
Qute are just babies. should consider Chord QBD76 or Dave.
sorry off topic.

....or go straight to a Lumin X1.

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: plasmasiao on September 27, 2018, 21:11
Qute are just babies. should consider Chord QBD76 or Dave.
sorry off topic.
That's the plan actually, next level of Chord DAC, maybe Hugo TT2 . That's why bought U1 mini, instead of D1 or D2
Looking for something with balanced output to maximize my preamp
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: plasmasiao on September 27, 2018, 21:14
....or go straight to a Lumin X1.

(Audio)
How's X1 vs U1+DAVE, anyone done the comparison before? price wise same bracket.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: thingswelike on September 27, 2018, 21:38
How's X1 vs U1+DAVE, anyone done the comparison before? price wise same bracket.
It's probably a little early for many X1 comparisons to be out there, but there are a few interesting comparisons with other LUMIN products which might give you an idea...
Comparing LUMIN S1, with and without Chord Hugo TT and Chord Dave
https://audiobacon.net/2016/04/15/chord-dave-review-project-evad-evaluation-dave/3/

Comparing LUMIN U1 attached to 4 different DACs (translated from Japanese)
http://tinyurl.com/lumin-phileweb
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: plasmasiao on September 29, 2018, 00:25
Interesting read, thank you.

It's probably a little early for many X1 comparisons to be out there, but there are a few interesting comparisons with other LUMIN products which might give you an idea...
Comparing LUMIN S1, with and without Chord Hugo TT and Chord Dave
https://audiobacon.net/2016/04/15/chord-dave-review-project-evad-evaluation-dave/3/

Comparing LUMIN U1 attached to 4 different DACs (translated from Japanese)
http://tinyurl.com/lumin-phileweb
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on October 02, 2018, 16:31
We begin to ship Lumin X1 power supply as an upgrade for existing S1 / A1 / T1 / U1 with a special converter DC cable.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Sound Affairs on October 05, 2018, 09:15
We are happy to announce the launch of the PLiXiR Lumin D2 / U1-Mini external Linear Power Supply Kit.

More infos here : http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=277281.0

We are also now the authorised dealer for Lumin products in Singapore as well.

Do contact us if more information is needed.

Thank you.

James.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: DJQ on October 05, 2018, 14:08
so what are the prices in SGD?  :)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on October 05, 2018, 17:50
Lumin X1 Firmware 11.2 improves the MQA playback sound quality.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: dc71 on October 18, 2018, 11:45
One week in with the Lumin U1 Mini (with James' LPS conversion and Plixir LPS), and it's already sounding very good with my Chord Qutest. Very impressed so far, I'm hoping this will be my modest end-game system.

It's been playing maybe 14hrs/day so I'm expecting it to open out and relax even more over the next few weeks. Lumin UX is great, but y'all knew that I guess!

System:
NAS/Tidal>Lumin U1 Mini (Plixir LPS)>DHLabs D750 spdif rca-bnc/Inakustik USB>Chord Qutest>Inakustik Ref 1203>Hegel H160>VdH Magnum bi-wire>Quad S-5
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on October 22, 2018, 09:42
Lumin U1 MINI review:
https://soundrebels.com/lumin-u1-mini-english-ver/
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Doggie Howser on October 22, 2018, 10:33
Is there something I’m missing here.

The U1 Mini and the D2 are the same price. And the D2 can be used as a transport as well.

Why choose the U1 mini?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Doggie Howser on October 22, 2018, 10:37
Lumin U1 MINI review:
https://soundrebels.com/lumin-u1-mini-english-ver/
Wait

LUMIN is by Pixel Magic Systems!??

I swear I had a media player that was made by that company. A gazillion years ago. I wonder where it went
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on October 22, 2018, 10:48
Is there something I’m missing here.

The U1 Mini and the D2 are the same price. And the D2 can be used as a transport as well.

Why choose the U1 mini?
More digital outputs to DAC for U1 Mini.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on October 22, 2018, 11:10
The U1 Mini and the D2 are the same price. And the D2 can be used as a transport as well.

Why choose the U1 mini?

In addition to BNC output, U1 MINI supports USB audio (DSD256 and DSD128) / AES / SPDIF-RCA / TOSLINK outputs.

It is also likely that U1 MINI sounds better than D2 as a transport.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on October 22, 2018, 11:32
Wait

LUMIN is by Pixel Magic Systems!??

I swear I had a media player that was made by that company. A gazillion years ago. I wonder where it went

Obviously you did not listen to me when I first told you about Lumin.   :)

I was looking at their video processor , those days.

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: dc71 on October 22, 2018, 12:13
In addition to BNC output, U1 MINI supports USB audio (DSD256 and DSD128) / AES / SPDIF-RCA / TOSLINK outputs.

It is also likely that U1 MINI sounds better than D2 as a transport.

I had D1 w/ Plixir LPS, now I have U1 Mini w/ Plixir LPS conversion (same PS used). Both using spdif-coax into Chord Qutest. For me the D1 was good but the U1 Mini after 150-200 hrs burn in sounds clearly more natural, relaxed/easeful and convincing in my system. The music flows better and therefore provides a worthwhile step up in engagement, for those using an external DAC.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: moby1977 on October 22, 2018, 21:21
Hello
Did anyone try the X1 power supply with U1 or A1/S1 ?
Unfortunately testing is not possible and I am hesitating between upgrading my current U1 streamer attached to a gd innuos or antipodes server or take a very high end server and use it as a streamer as well...




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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: e24djenggos on October 26, 2018, 14:21
Hi,

Have anyone use Lumin D2 with Naim amplifier SN2? Does it cause any hum?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: atx2 on October 26, 2018, 15:14
hi,
I'm new to digital player, may I know why you guys choose Lumin? why not Aurender or cocktail audio?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on October 26, 2018, 15:47
Lumin is MQA Roon Ready.  Of the other two brands, one of them is not Roon Ready at all, and charges USD50 for MQA upgrade for streamer products without analog output.  The other supports Roon but built-in MQA is not functional when playing from Roon (with current firmware).

The other brands may also have special hardware features like built-in storage or CD ripping, and some people may want those.  However, in digital music, more non-essential hardware may contribute noise for audio playback.  Storage devices like HDD and SDD are something more failure prone.  Unless it can be replaced by user easily, personally I would rather not have storage inside an expensive audio equipment, and the storage electronics can again affect SQ - HDD can also cause vibration.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: atx2 on October 26, 2018, 15:51
what is MQA room ready? what is it for? which brand without MQA?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on October 26, 2018, 15:56
what is MQA room ready? what is it for?

If you subscribe to Tidal HiFi, then you need MQA decoding to play Tidal Masters at best quality.

Roon is a music software that some people really like.  To use Roon with the official recommended network-based music playback (instead of direct USB connection), the network player or streamer has to be Roon Ready.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: atx2 on October 26, 2018, 16:01
ic... ok so now I know which brand can be remove for my list now... thanks wkie. Now I must really think hard, because this player not cheap at all.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Sound Affairs on November 01, 2018, 14:50
We now provide a direct bundle package of the Lumin D2 / Lumin U1-Mini with our PLiXiR DC external linear power supply kit. 

Please see this sales thread for the detailed information and customer review.  http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=278393.0

Thanks!

James Soh.

Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Jsen on November 05, 2018, 13:51
Took delivery of the U1 mini with the Elite LPS. Switch it on now & it’s very very good for the price. No need to change for long long time after this for streaming transport.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: tsi-dsg on November 06, 2018, 00:22
Took delivery of the U1 mini with the Elite LPS. Switch it on now & it’s very very good for the price. No need to change for long long time after this for streaming transport.

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Hi, could u share which other streamer u compared against with? Thanks
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Jsen on November 06, 2018, 09:15
Hi, could u share which other streamer u compared against with? Thanks
Hi, compared the U1 mini with Auralic Aries LE.

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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on November 06, 2018, 11:44
The current recommended configuration for Lumin X1 is to use a Cisco SG112-24 Compact switch, a pair of single mode 1310nm SFP modules, and LC-LC Duplex 9/125um Corning ClearCurve Single Mode fiber (from ebay).

The Cisco switch SG112-24 is now sold at Amazon for less than USD99
https://www.amazon.com/SYSTEMS-24-Port-Gigabit-Switch-SG11224NA/dp/B00VPT8XSQ

It is worthwhile to note because:
1. It has SFP slots to enable the use of the optic fiber network in X1
2. Even ignoring the SFP slots, people using other non-Lumin setup have reported positive results

Note that the Amazon photo showing the rack mount version is wrong - they actually ship the Compact version.

For Roon users, please beware that it has occurred before Cisco managed switches and certain models of Cisco unmanaged switches can cause problems with Roon (some experience network flow control issues). I have not seen Roon users reporting problems with this particular switch so far.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on November 21, 2018, 12:09
In case there is anyone who uses Audirvana Plus, a beta firmware is available for Lumin to support its UPnP operation (and contains a fix for JRiver support as well). Gapless playback and DSD are supported.

The value of Audirvana Plus is that we can now use its iZotope or SoX upsampling for PCM to DSD512 upsampling for Lumin X1 (or DSD128/64 for other models).

Roon can also upsample music to DSD512 for Lumin X1, but it is much more expensive and has less configurable upsampling parameters.

Please let me know if anyone wants to try this beta firmware, and state your Lumin model.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on November 21, 2018, 20:17
Lumin X1 review by Mono and Stereo:
https://www.monoandstereo.com/2018/11/lumin-x1-review.html
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on November 26, 2018, 14:56
Lumin X1 review by audiophile-magazine in French:
http://www.audiophile-magazine.com/bancs-d-essais/lumin-x1/

In the review Joël Chevassus states:

"It is without doubt the streamer that in my system has developed the most structured sound stage."

"The strength of the LUMIN X1 remains this stereophonic image of a hallucinatory precision."

"Lumin X1 is a very exceptional digital transport, very precise...the X1 brings you extra resolution"

"There is this sense of urgency and visceral energy that remains a very addictive character trait of the Lumin X1, and that difference in terms of performance, between the previous S1 and the new flagship, justifies in itself the move upmarket."
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on November 29, 2018, 10:02
'Best Sound' Award for LUMIN X1 system.

High Fidelity have presented the Art & Voice system with a 'Best Sound' Award at the recent Poland Audio Video Show 2018.

The system was:
GRADIENT LABS. | NORMA AUDIO ELECTRONICS| LUMIN X1 | FIDATA | HIJIRI

Many thanks to:
Art & Voice for organising the room and including us in their system:
http://www.artandvoice.pl

High Fidelity for taking the time to listen:
http://highfidelity.pl

Audio Video Show for putting such a great event together
http://audioshow.pl

(https://www.computeraudiophile.com/uploads/monthly_2018_11/N23.JPG.6ef85850ec787cfef82a9ebd7c20e764.JPG)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on November 29, 2018, 10:41
In case there is anyone who uses Audirvana Plus, a beta firmware is available for Lumin to support its UPnP operation (and contains a fix for JRiver support as well). Gapless playback and DSD are supported.

The value of Audirvana Plus is that we can now use its iZotope or SoX upsampling for PCM to DSD512 upsampling for Lumin X1 (or DSD128/64 for other models).

Roon can also upsample music to DSD512 for Lumin X1, but it is much more expensive and has less configurable upsampling parameters.

Please let me know if anyone wants to try this beta firmware, and state your Lumin model.

I am trying Audirvana Plus now and DSD512 option is still grey out.  DSD256 is available.  I am assuming we need to set it to DOPe 1.1, right?

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on November 29, 2018, 11:01
Can you set the maximum DSD frequency manually in “Audirvana Plus” menu > Go to “Preferences” > Select the “Audio System” tab?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on November 29, 2018, 11:16
Can you set the maximum DSD frequency manually in “Audirvana Plus” menu > Go to “Preferences” > Select the “Audio System” tab?

Yes, that's what I was doing.  DSD512 is grey out and unselectable.  DSD256 is available.  Firmware used was 20181121_113beta2.

(Audio)

Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on November 29, 2018, 11:55
Please use Lumin app to confirm the X1 is running the specified firmware - this is important.

In Audirvana Plus 3.2.x, please select Active Audio Device as UPnP: Lumin X1.

There should not be a setting that allows DoP - it is not appropriate for Audirvana UPnP anyway.

In the preferences, click the Maximum DSD rate box and select DSD512.  If it is not available, close and restart Audirvana software - when changing devices it seems it may be confused.

The Lumin Firmware controls whether Audirvana thinks it is DSD capable or not, but it does not control how high the DSD rate is - it has to be manually set by user as explained here:
https://audirvana.com/audio-file-formats/dsd/
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on November 30, 2018, 23:35
Hi Peter,

This is what I got.

(http://audio.sg/pic/audirvana-01.jpg)

Any suggestion?

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on December 01, 2018, 09:03
Could you reconfirm the Lumin firmware has "beta2" in its version using Lumin app?

Is this Windows Audirvana?  The fact that the box says DSD512 but above lists only up to DSD256, and it has DoP option for UPnP makes me suspect there may be bug(s) associated with it.  We've only used Mac OS Audirvana to test.

Could you try the different options for DSD streaming method?  Something not DoP?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on January 07, 2019, 18:30
(http://audio.sg/pic/dsd512-01.jpg)

Success at last!!!   Heee heee.....thanks Wikie.

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Joe-siow on January 07, 2019, 19:13
And the T2 as been announced. Running dual Sabre ES9028 Pro now. Looks very cool

http://www.luminmusic.com/lumin-t2.html
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on January 07, 2019, 21:09
Success at last!!!

(Audio)

How?  What was wrong before?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on January 07, 2019, 21:10
And the T2 as been announced. Running dual Sabre ES9028 Pro now. Looks very cool

http://www.luminmusic.com/lumin-t2.html

Lumin T2 replaces the previous Lumin A1 and T1.

The essence of T2 is: Dual ES9028PRO, DSD512, same processors and FPGA from X1, analog output stage and clocking system derived from X1. The chassis is shaped like the original A1 but is done in a way to fit the T2 pricing. MQA Roon Ready Qobuz Tidal Spotify Connect TuneIn features as before. An internal power supply is used.

In addition to the balanced XLR and unbalanced RCA analog outputs, T2 inherits the X1 feature of being able to be used as a streamer to output to an external DAC via USB or BNC-SPDIF.
Title: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on January 07, 2019, 21:29
Lumin T2 replaces the previous Lumin A1 and T1.

The essence of T2 is: Dual ES9028PRO, DSD512, same processors and FPGA from X1, analog output stage and clocking system derived from X1. The chassis is shaped like the original A1 but is done in a way to fit the T2 pricing. MQA Roon Ready Qobuz Tidal Spotify Connect TuneIn features as before. An internal power supply is used.

In addition to the balanced XLR and unbalanced RCA analog outputs, T2 inherits the X1 feature of being able to be used as a streamer to output to an external DAC via USB or BNC-SPDIF.
Does that mean that T2 will be priced close or levelled to T1?

I don’t see how T2 replaces A1 because T2 in Lumin website is having a single board similar to T1 and A1 is having two boards - one each for analog & digital. That said, both T1 & A1 has their own LPS too.

Being an ex-Lumin user, I welcome the new DAC chip which support DSD512 and even glad to see USB output brought out of it as additional feature opposed to the singly SPDIF in BNC for the longest time.

To me, I felt T2 is more like a bigger child of D2 with similarities to T1 in a quality outer-shell.


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on January 07, 2019, 21:34
For some countries, T2 costs roughly double the price of D2 and slightly less than T1.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on January 07, 2019, 22:51
How?  What was wrong before?

I update the Audirvana+ to new version.  I also believe the Lumin had a new update....and then I noticed now, DSD512 is available.

Which sounds better?   JRMC or Audirvana+?  Both get their pros and cons.

But for sure, Teresa Teng sounds best on Audirvana+ with up-sampling to DSD512 from 16/44.

(Audio) 
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on January 08, 2019, 12:18
JRMC or Audirvana+?

Last time I checked I was not able to use JRiver to upsample to DSD and send it to network playback.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on January 08, 2019, 13:14
This is what I know from what I heard.

Audirvana + DSD512 sounded nice, very rounded, very smooth, slightly better dynamics than the regular DSD64.  If you don't compare, this is it.   :)

But of late,  I have learn to appreciate listening to contents at it's native sample rate.  Same song, same DAC but on JRMC it sound more precise, more texture and much more dynamic to the music.  Don't know but perhaps Fidelizer Pro 8.3 helps, Audiophile Optimizer 2.20 helps, Windows Server 2016 Core helps.  But this is 16 bits 44KHz we are taking about.

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Joe-siow on January 08, 2019, 22:00
Does that mean that T2 will be priced close or levelled to T1?

I don’t see how T2 replaces A1 because T2 in Lumin website is having a single board similar to T1 and A1 is having two boards - one each for analog & digital. That said, both T1 & A1 has their own LPS too.

Being an ex-Lumin user, I welcome the new DAC chip which support DSD512 and even glad to see USB output brought out of it as additional feature opposed to the singly SPDIF in BNC for the longest time.

To me, I felt T2 is more like a bigger child of D2 with similarities to T1 in a quality outer-shell.


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Missing the Lundahl output transformers too, in addition to the LPS and dual board layout as Tiktokape pointed out
That's a quite a lot of features being dropped for a slight increase of price

 :-\
 
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on January 09, 2019, 09:50
The Lundahl output transformers, I will not miss.

The casing is most welcome as it contributes to the sound.

The most important thing is; this will bring Lumin players to the mainstream.

(Audio)

Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on January 09, 2019, 10:20
Missing the Lundahl output transformers too, in addition to the LPS and dual board layout as Tiktokape pointed out
That's a quite a lot of features being dropped for a slight increase of price

In most markets we expect the T2 to cost slightly less than T1.  There is overall SQ improvement based on a design very similar to X1.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on February 19, 2019, 15:44
Lumin X1 review from Taiwan:
https://review.u-audio.com.tw/reviewdetail.asp?reviewid=1617

My translation of some parts of it: [brackets are mine]

[Lundahl Transformer]

For the output, X1 not only has analog RCA and XLR outputs but have digital outputs as well. Therefore it can be used as a pure streamer [for an external DAC] too. Analog outputs adopt a design similar to some Lumin models before - there are Lundahl output transformers following the DAC hardware circuitry so that the amplified signal goes through the transformers before being output. Why does it need this extra hardware? This is because output transformer has a characteristic of filtering out high frequency noise. Transformers have a native bandwidth limitation, so signals outside the bandwidth do not get transmitted. This way, very high frequency noise associated with digital audio is naturally eliminated. In addition, output transformer has a tuning effect and make the sound richer.

[Fiber network vs copper network]

Before getting the X1, I'm very curious about its SFP fiber network interface: What SQ difference does the SFP fiber network offer as compared to RJ45 copper network? If we need to do this comparison [completely], both the NAS and switch should use SFP connection, so the distributor lent us their QNAP TS-251B NAS and QSW-804-4C switch. QNAP high-end models of NAS have expansion capability, including this TS-251B with a QNAP LAN-10G2SF-MLX network card with 10GbE using SFP+ interface. The QSW-804-4C contains both RJ45 and SFP+ ports, letting us conveniently compare the sound difference between the two. To listen to fiber network, use fiber cable to connect to the switch and the NAS SFP+ port. To listen to copper network, use RJ45 network cable to connect to the switch and NAS built-in Ethernet port. [Note: Unlike what this review may imply, it is not essential for the NAS to have fiber network in order to enjoy the fiber network in Lumin X1.]

(https://img.u-audio.com.tw/showimage.asp?imgid=30148646)
This is QNAP QSW-804-4C with both RJ45 and SFP+ ports. The fiber in the left connects to the X1 SFP port. The middle RJ45 connects to [uplink] switch. The black cable in the right connects to the NAS SFP+ network expansion card.

(https://img.u-audio.com.tw/showimage.asp?imgid=30148647)
Fiber network requires a small SFP transceiver.

(https://img.u-audio.com.tw/showimage.asp?imgid=30148650)
This is QNAP TS-251B NAS with PCIe expansion slot filled with QNAP LAN-10G2SF-MLX network expansion card to support SFP+ 10GbE transmission.

What are the differences between the two sound? SFP fiber has a black background with a pure sound, it feels more liquid, soft, delicate, layered, balanced and open. RJ45 copper network has quite a clean background, but sounds to have a little impurity compared to fiber network, the sound has a bit high frequency frizz and is less smooth than fiber. However, RJ45 is sharp and energetic. Comparatively, fiber seems a bit softer. In terms of soundstage, RJ45 is more focused on centre and saturated with a clear theme. Fiber expands to two sides and is more open and is extremely balanced. Basically, I believe fiber and RJ45 has different personalities and each has its pros. Objectively, I believe fiber offers more details, layers and is full of potential. RJ45 is more variable depending on the cabling. X1 provides two types of connection and two sounds to choose from, letting the user to match their own equipment and tastes.

In addition, Lumin also allows for another type of connection topology: use the X1 RJ45 port to connect to the switch, then the SFP port to bridge the NAS SFP+ network card. This way, a SFP switch is not necessary to enjoy the advantage of fiber network.


[Listening Impressions]

The following review uses Electrocompaniet EC 4.8 pre-amp and NuPrime Evolution One amp, driving Aurum Cantus Grand Harmony speakers.

(https://img.u-audio.com.tw/showimage.asp?imgid=30148670)
I quite like the pure sound and smooth voice from fiber, and the rich layers and contrast brought by full details. So I start with fiber listening, playing Janos Starker, Bach Suites for Solo Cello. With the support of X1 black background, rich details from SFP fiber are more obvious, letting me hear that when the bow hair stops, the chamber resonance decays gradually in the air. In double stops, the resolution between two notes is very good, reflecting the details. The cello sounds a little sticky, not deliberately polishing a bright smoothness, giving the texture of friction among the strings. In addition, the shape of the cello appears very correct, with a precise image and proper scale. Low mids sound a little wet, making the tone more attractive.

(https://img.u-audio.com.tw/showimage.asp?imgid=30148671)
Cannonball Adderley, Somethin' Else: X1 soundstage is more focused and centred, especially suitable for a small Jazz band. Through the X1 playback, each instrument, each drum beat is shown with precise imaging, with excellent separation between each instrument, letting me "see" the band with realism. Besides, X1 not only plays with clear imaging, but different frequencies and proportion of sounds are strictly presented without blurring or exaggeration, and it does not have bloated bass.

X1 also supports Roon Ready in addition to UPnP OpenHome, letting me to listen to familiar music from my Roon Server on QNAP HS-453Be [TS-453Be ?] NAS. My HS-453Be does not have the fiber network card, so it is connected via RJ45. In this setup, Janos Starker, Bach Suites for Solo Cello plays with clearer shape of strings with even better contrast, giving deeper musical emotion.

(https://img.u-audio.com.tw/showimage.asp?imgid=30148668)
Eric Clapton, Old Love: X1 is adept at this. Weak sounds are presented without strain. Strong sounds play with rich layer variations. It combines with transparent tonality and appropriate liquidity and wetness, listening to this feels great, and 13 minutes do not feel long at all.

Chris Babida, Tsai Chin, To Encounter - Chris And Friends track 1: X1 once again presents a focused and centered image with a clear shape as its strength, making the voice realistic with a dense texture and temperature thereby making it deeply emotional. I believe X1 will absolutely charm audiophiles who like listening to voices.

(https://img.u-audio.com.tw/showimage.asp?imgid=30148669)
X1 is so great at Bagatelle music, Jazz and Rock, what about symphony? With 37th Tapei Int'l Audio & Art Show CD: even though the X1 soundstage is not too wide, the structure of the orchestra is very excellent - treble, mid, bass distribution is orderly and not messy. In particular, the front, mid, back separation and layers can easily be recognized. The resolution of whole frequency spectrum is equally good with a clean bass. Even complex music is handled by X1 easily.

It is not common for a source to be like X1 that simultaneously has rich functionality, convenient operation, elegant appearance, small physical size, HiFi grade design and manufacturing, and high level of audio reproduction, fitting any requirement of any demanding user. X1 also offers a rich listening experience, through its fiber or copper network, or its upsampling, bringing different tuning possibilities for sound quality. X1 is not complex to setup yet it has the most complete specifications and supported services. X1 will not disappoint.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on March 08, 2019, 10:08
Review of Lumin T2 by High Fidelity, now with English translation:

http://www.highfidelity.pl/@main-893&lang=en

Quote
The T2 is one of the best devices of this kind. It is resolving, delivers nice colors and beautiful space. Purity of the sound translates into a great sound stage and excellent band's extremes
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on March 10, 2019, 22:10
Lumin X1 review by audiophile-magazine in French:
http://www.audiophile-magazine.com/bancs-d-essais/lumin-x1/

I think this is the English translation:
https://6moons.com/audioreview_articles/lumin7/
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on March 27, 2019, 22:38
In issue #169 of Hi-Fi+ there is a superb LUMIN X1 review.
http://www.luminmusic.com/downloads/LUMIN-X1-HIFI+169.pdf

During the review Alan Sircom states:
Quote
To say I'm impressed by the LUMIN X1 is something of an understatement. I am blown away by its performance.

It has a sense of absolute confidence in it's own performance that is typically the domain of the best in analogue

It puts it in direct competition with products that cost several times as much and take up a lot of shelf space in the process.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: milk_vanilla on March 31, 2019, 12:02
After 5 years with a1.



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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Tiktokape on March 31, 2019, 12:14
After 5 years with a1.



Congrats! Looking forward to listen to it!



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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on March 31, 2019, 14:36
You are going to love it.   It's my reference now.  Just make sure you do the fiber.

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: comfortablynumb on April 06, 2019, 12:03
The T2 is almost double the price of the D2
Anyone did AB test between the 2 in terms of SQ?

How. Does the D2 SQ compared to the Azur 851N?
Title: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: nfnc on April 06, 2019, 14:06
The T2 is almost double the price of the D2
Anyone did AB test between the 2 in terms of SQ?

How. Does the D2 SQ compared to the Azur 851N?

The following reviews may be helpful:


T2 - http://www.highfidelity.pl/@main-893&lang=en

D2 - http://highfidelity.pl/@main-3171&lang= (use Google translate)

While not an A-B review, he has heard both, and his reviews are fairly accurate.

My sense is that the T2 will probably perform on a higher plane. The internal SMPS is a potential bottleneck since the higher models have outboard LPS which would be a big contributor to the sound. Then again, someone like Sound Affairs would probably be able to replace the T2’s internal SMPS with an external LPS.

Instead of a D2, perhaps a used A1?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on April 06, 2019, 16:18
The T2 is almost double the price of the D2
Anyone did AB test between the 2 in terms of SQ?

A user shared his early impressions of Lumin T2 in https://www.audioshark.org/lumin-169/lumin-t2-15692-page6.html#post260189

Quote
the D2 blew all my expectations and I've been very happy with it, but when the T2 was finally announced I just couldn't resist it as it seemed to be all I wanted in the first place.

Immediately when I connected it yesterday I could tell this was a big step up from the D2. As expected when climbing upwards a product ladder it's just more of everything, larger soundstage, more details, more 3-dimensional, deeper bass etc. But something that struck me early was just how effortless and relaxed the music seemed to flow, like the easiest thing in the world. Music feels vivid, more real and intense. I'm trying to avoid words as analogue and organic, but maybe that's exactly what it is. It moves me.

These are still early impressions and I know from the D2 that some burn in time will only do it good and I expect the same here. I'm upsampling to DSD256 with Roon as my current server can't handle DSD512, but a new one capable of that will hopefully arrive before the weekend.

I have no idea how it compares to the T1 as I've never tried it, I have no doubt that it's better though as there would be no reason for a new version otherwise, but if it's worth the money to upgrade I don't know, but I would like to think so!

If someone is currently using a separate DAC and some other streaming solution, having high quality cables to and between these, combining it all into a very VERY nice one-box package with high quality streaming and fabulous DAC, then the T2 would be considered a bargain and almost pay for itself by just getting rid of the unnecessary boxes and cables. To me the T2 is a real winner.

I like it.

A LOT!!!
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: badbad2000 on April 07, 2019, 11:42
what is the price of d2 and t2? Estimated will do. If i only use spotify will it sounds good?


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Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: comfortablynumb on April 07, 2019, 12:43
Am still considering if upgrading my 851N to a D2 or T2 makes sense.....
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: nfnc on April 07, 2019, 13:02
Am still considering if upgrading my 851N to a D2 or T2 makes sense.....

Have you compared all 3 at Audio 88?  It would be good to at least listen to the D2 vs T2 there.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on April 07, 2019, 17:48
If i only use spotify will it sounds good?

The built-in Spotify Connect feature sounds very good, and is inherently better than typical Spotify platform, e.g. web or iOS because of higher bitrate and/or not being digitally altered by OS mixer.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on April 07, 2019, 17:53
Am still considering if upgrading my 851N to a D2 or T2 makes sense.....

Get a T2.  :)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: nfnc on April 07, 2019, 18:48
@wklie, could you elaborate on the design considerations for using output transformers for the models A1 and up. Thanks.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on April 08, 2019, 11:31
@wklie, could you elaborate on the design considerations for using output transformers for the models A1 and up. Thanks.

I can only say it helps with isolation and we like the output SQ with it.  For a third party perspective, please refer to:
http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=151647.msg1299197#msg1299197
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: jigster on April 08, 2019, 21:36
How good is the dac on the Lumin X1? Thinking of replacing my Chord BluII/Dave combo and just using the X1 to reduce clutter.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: AndrewC on April 09, 2019, 12:09
How good is the dac on the Lumin X1? Thinking of replacing my Chord BluII/Dave combo and just using the X1 to reduce clutter.

IMHO, if you're really serious, the only way to know for sure is to buy or borrow and try it out at home right next to your Chord combo... any other way will leave you wondering. Won't be difficult to offload either once you've made your final decision  ;)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: comfortablynumb on April 11, 2019, 17:52
Forgive me......
I have been a very very very bad boy.....
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on April 12, 2019, 11:23
Forgive me......
I have been a very very very bad boy.....

Women love bad boys!  There is even science behind it!  ;)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: comfortablynumb on April 13, 2019, 10:36
Anyone tried other SFP optical switches besides the Cisco and Ubiquiti recommended and used by Peter and audio?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on April 13, 2019, 11:10
We also tested Buffalo BS-GS2016/A SFP switch, TP-Link SFP switch, HP SFP switch, and TP-Link FMC.

A Japan audio magazine also tested SOtM sNH-10g with Lumin X1.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on April 15, 2019, 17:35
Stereo Magazine awarded a 100% in Sound Quality for the review of Lumin X1 on P.12:

https://stereo-magazine.com/flipview/epaper/stereo-magazine-21-2019-21/
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: comfortablynumb on April 15, 2019, 19:13
Running in now
Will give it 300-500 hours nonstop
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on April 15, 2019, 19:17
I also recommend QNAP SFP switch (QSW-1208-8C).  I never expected it since my unit came FOC when I purchased my QNAP NAS.  I think this is the best I encountered because I love the fact that this is a 10Gb / 1Gb switch that allows you to use both 10Gb and 1Gb SFP transceivers.

I am planning to install 10Gb NIC card in my music server and then 1Gb transceiver to Lumin.

I am still struggling with the Audiophile Optimizer 3.00 Beta 38.  Once I got it stable, i will implement the 10 Gb.  There are plenty of Intel X520 cards available on eBay and these are relatively cheap.

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on April 15, 2019, 19:18
Running in now
Will give it 300-500 hours nonstop

No need to run in.  It sounds fabulous right out of the box,

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: milk_vanilla on April 15, 2019, 19:21
Running in now
Will give it 300-500 hours nonstop

Congratulations!
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: comfortablynumb on April 15, 2019, 19:24
No need to run in.  It sounds fabulous right out of the box,

(Audio)

Yes..... I had a good wtf punch to my senses.... I was listening straight for 2 hrs and listening to the tracks was like a 1st time
Huge n deep soundstage, unbelievable details, controlled bass
Alas, I cannot miss my dinner
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: comfortablynumb on April 15, 2019, 19:25
Congratulations!
Thanks bro
Got the black to avoid detection by my missus
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: nfnc on April 15, 2019, 19:52
Thanks bro
Got the black to avoid detection by my missus

Well done!  Which did you get - X1?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: comfortablynumb on April 15, 2019, 21:06
Yup a X1
For now running synology minimserver via my NAS... Easy setup
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on April 16, 2019, 11:29
Yup a X1
For now running synology minimserver via my NAS... Easy setup

Wait till you run it on a full blown PC with Audiophile Optimzer under Window Server 2019 OS.......

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: comfortablynumb on April 16, 2019, 12:05
Wait till you run it on a full blown PC with Audiophile Optimzer under Window Server 2019 OS.......

(Audio)

Will a I7 NUC do? I hv it next to the X1 n I can just replace the OS
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on April 16, 2019, 13:23
Will a I7 NUC do? I hv it next to the X1 n I can just replace the OS

(1) Audiophile Optimizer 2.20 with Windows Server 2016.
Not so easy.  Go to Audiohile Optimizer and read the manual throughly for instructions.   Yes, it can be due on a NUC and you can expect good reslt....a full blown PC will be better.


(2) Easy option is the Roon Rock Software.
If i7 NUC....I recommend you buy a M2 SSD, small size will do, say 128GB install into your NUC.....and then download the Roon Rock software on a USB stick.

Plug the USB stick to your NUC and you will be able to install the Roon Rock software in seconds.  Control your new Roon server with your iPhone or iPad.

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: DizzyD on April 16, 2019, 13:27
Quick question

Can any of the Lumin models read and play SACD-ISO from my NAS?

Thanks
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on April 16, 2019, 14:14
Can any of the Lumin models read and play SACD-ISO from my NAS?

Not natively supported using Lumin app or any OpenHome app.  However, you can use JRiver to play the SACD ISO to any Lumin player via network.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on April 16, 2019, 14:17
Will a I7 NUC do? I hv it next to the X1 n I can just replace the OS

For NUC, you may consider using a fanless chassis and LPS.  Which model of NUC are you using?
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on April 16, 2019, 14:43
Quick question

Can any of the Lumin models read and play SACD-ISO from my NAS?

Thanks


2 ways to play SACD-ISO to the Lumin.


(1) Use JRiver as playback player on a PC, Mac or Laptop.  JRiver will recognise your SACD-ISO and play back the track as DSD format.
(2) You can install JRiver as a APP on your  QNAP NAS.  Yes, just install JRiver App on your QNAP NAS and you are ready to go.

To stream to your Lumin, you add a DLNA server in JRiver under Options.

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: comfortablynumb on April 16, 2019, 20:52
For NUC, you may consider using a fanless chassis and LPS.  Which model of NUC are you using?

Peter /Audio
I m using the Intel NUC 7i7BNH with a M2 SSD installed
In terms of the SSD capacity, I need to check but I think it's a 256gb or 500gb

https://www.intel.sg/content/www/xa/en/products/boards-kits/nuc/kits/nuc7i7bnh.html
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: DizzyD on April 16, 2019, 22:30

2 ways to play SACD-ISO to the Lumin.


(1) Use JRiver as playback player on a PC, Mac or Laptop.  JRiver will recognise your SACD-ISO and play back the track as DSD format.
(2) You can install JRiver as a APP on your  QNAP NAS.  Yes, just install JRiver App on your QNAP NAS and you are ready to go.

To stream to your Lumin, you add a DLNA server in JRiver under Options.

(Audio)


Thanks I am on Synology...Dont seem to have Jriver
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on April 17, 2019, 10:00
A Lumin user BlueSky shared his impressions of X1 in https://www.audioshark.org/showthread.php?t=14248&page=21&p=269022#post269022

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My early impressions of moving from the S1 to the X1 are, quite literally, beyond my expectations! For me at this point in my listening career, it’s all about sound stage for and my venerable B&W N800s have literally faded from view. At times before with the S1, I could identify where the speakers were positioned with certain pieces of music even with eyes closed. With the X1, the speakers are gone and the sound field extends well to the sides of the speakers even encroaching on where the side surrounds would be if I were in 5.1 surround mode. I actually had to get up and check if I had something mis-configured just to be sure. There is also a glorious sense of height both above and below the speakers as well as depth that I was not prepared for. Astonishing!

(The material I am currently listening to is some works by Isao Tomita, a Japanese master of the synthesizer, including “Kosmos” and “The Bermuda Triangle”. I am looking forward to listening to more symphonic music later on.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on April 17, 2019, 10:01
Lumin T2 introduction by Upscale Audio:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_E0UUA0mSog
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on April 17, 2019, 11:50
Thanks I am on Synology...Dont seem to have Jriver


That is why subconciously I am leaning more to QNAP these days.   I was a hardcore Synology fan once.  QNAP seems to know they need to cather to Audiophile customers.

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: wklie on April 17, 2019, 14:10
QNAP also has a relatively new fanless NAS.  I believe being fanless is more important than many people think.
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: DizzyD on April 17, 2019, 15:53
Is there a local dealer for lumin here so I can hopefully see how JRiver / QNAP integrates with Lumin ?

Thx
Title: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: nfnc on April 17, 2019, 17:11
Is there a local dealer for lumin here so I can hopefully see how JRiver / QNAP integrates with Lumin ?

Thx

Audio 88 and Sound Affairs
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on April 17, 2019, 17:19
There was a discussion here in this thread from about Page 5.  I show you guys how to use JRiver to playback on Lumin.

(Audiuo)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: nfnc on April 17, 2019, 17:20
There was a discussion here in this thread from about Page 5.  I show you guys how to use JRiver to playback on Lumin.

(Audiuo)

Post number #??
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on April 17, 2019, 18:57
Post number #??

From #61.

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: AndrewC on April 17, 2019, 22:12
Thanks I am on Synology...Dont seem to have Jriver

I was curious about this, so I did some digging for you… If you want to stick with your Synology, depending on your NAS model, you have one or both of the following options;

- Run the Virtual Machine Manager (https://www.synology.com/en-global/dsm/packages/Virtualization) package under your Synology NAS, and install and run MC for Linux (https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?board=62.0) on the VM

Or (if your Synology NAS doesn’t have enough VM grunt)…

- Run the Docker (https://www.synology.com/en-global/dsm/packages/Docker) package, and install the containerised version of MC (https://hub.docker.com/r/jatzoo/jrivermc25)

I’ve not tried the above myself, I’m not into JRMC, and I don’t use my NAS for Audio streaming, but seems others have and it works well enough ;)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on April 17, 2019, 22:19
I was curious about this, so I did some digging for you… If you want to stick with your Synology, depending on your NAS model, you have one or both of the following options;

- Run the Virtual Machine Manager (https://www.synology.com/en-global/dsm/packages/Virtualization) package under your Synology NAS, and install and run MC for Linux (https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?board=62.0) on the VM

Or (if your Synology NAS doesn’t have enough VM grunt)…

- Run the Docker (https://www.synology.com/en-global/dsm/packages/Docker) package, and install the containerised version of MC (https://hub.docker.com/r/jatzoo/jrivermc25)

I’ve not tried the above myself, I’m not into JRMC, and I don’t use my NAS for Audio streaming, but seems others have and it works well enough ;)

.....or just get a cheap 2-drive QNAP NAS..like the HS-251 Fanless NAS.

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: AndrewC on April 17, 2019, 22:26
.....or just get a cheap 2-drive QNAP NAS..like the HS-251 Fanless NAS.

(Audio)

True... Probably the easier choice if he's not into some Linux command-line activity  :P
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: comfortablynumb on April 17, 2019, 22:36
Agree just got myself a qnap 3 Bay wit raid 5 and 3 x seagate ironwolf Pro 6tb hdd for a dedicated music streaming

My other synology NAS is 4 Bay which I m using primarily for dsta backup n movie streaming
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: Audio on April 17, 2019, 23:22
If you get a NAS to host your player, you are just dancing around.  End of the day, you will keep yourself a full blown server ....slowly, slowly, it will evolve into that.  Power is everything.

(Audio)
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: comfortablynumb on April 18, 2019, 23:26
If you get a NAS to host your player, you are just dancing around.  End of the day, you will keep yourself a full blown server ....slowly, slowly, it will evolve into that.  Power is everything.

(Audio)

So one shot one kill to. Get a full blown PC with win server OS and running AO
Title: Re: Lumin Audiophile Network Player
Post by: DizzyD on April 19, 2019, 20:58
I was curious about this, so I did some digging for you… If you want to stick with your Synology, depending on your NAS model, you have one or both of the following options;

- Run the Virtual Machine Manager (https://www.synology.com/en-global/dsm/packages/Virtualization) package under your Synology NAS, and install and run MC for Linux (https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?board=62.0) on the VM

Or (if your Synology NAS doesn’t have enough VM grunt)…

- Run the Docker (https://www.synology.com/en-global/dsm/packages/Docker) package, and install the containerised version of MC (https://hub.docker.com/r/jatzoo/jrivermc25)

I’ve not tried the above myself, I’m not into JRMC, and I don’t use my NAS for Audio streaming, but seems others have and it works well enough ;)

Thanks AndrewC!