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Title: Power Sound Audio
Post by: coupe07 on May 18, 2013, 16:10
Thought we should not disturb the other thread and start a new thread for PSA subs instead.

Check out the latest offering from PSA!! The XV30f

(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0153/1797/products/XV30f_front_angle_onoff_1024x1024.png?406?1368861110786)

I shld have delayed my order and gotten this instead...... At USD1399, this price point is very very hard to beat, same price as the XV30. Now the real test is the performance.
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: econav on May 18, 2013, 16:49
will see how this 2 sub measure up,  ported vs sealed.

Rythmik F25 USD1399
(http://i308.photobucket.com/albums/kk329/ckpeng/F25_raw_zpsbf7613e3.jpg)
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: hiryu on May 18, 2013, 17:09
Thought we should not disturb the other thread and start a new thread for PSA subs instead.

Check out the latest offering from PSA!! The XV30f

(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0153/1797/products/XV30f_front_angle_onoff_1024x1024.png?406?1368861110786)

I shld have delayed my order and gotten this instead...... At USD1399, this price point is very very hard to beat, same price as the XV30. Now the real test is the performance.

If your order has not been shipped, why not try asking tom to change it.
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: sdds on May 18, 2013, 17:33
Look like a fridge to me  ;D. I prefer the xv30 looks .
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: francishuang on May 18, 2013, 20:36
It looks as if it can kill someone
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: ALTK on May 19, 2013, 00:21
Wa Lao! 155lbs...how to move it around at home?  ???
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: softhands on May 19, 2013, 09:49
looks huge. might run the ridk of making the house look like a mobile disco
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: sevenz on May 19, 2013, 16:39
will see how this 2 sub measure up,  ported vs sealed.

Rythmik F25 USD1399
(http://i308.photobucket.com/albums/kk329/ckpeng/F25_raw_zpsbf7613e3.jpg)

wah when u testing it bro peng? invite us! haha
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: francishuang on May 19, 2013, 19:53
Psa vs svs vs rthymik
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: ronildoq on May 19, 2013, 20:27
Would be keen to see how the psa performs....
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: r0n1n31 on May 22, 2013, 15:45
Whoa check the new Triax sub, this will give Paradigm sub 2 tough competition:

http://www.powersoundaudio.com/products/triax

 :o :o :o
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: tane0019 on May 22, 2013, 18:27
3 x 15" - 120 degree apart facing.
Like that has to place this sub at the center ?

Or is good to be place beside a wall with one firing directly to you + 2 firing at a angle to the walls ??
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: francishuang on May 22, 2013, 19:47
2 hoot wall for low. One hoot front for air?
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: r0n1n31 on May 22, 2013, 20:52
For sub 2, I've read somewhere that Paradigm suggested corner placement so I guess this is applicable for the triax too. That means sound will bounce off the wall.
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: r0n1n31 on May 24, 2013, 09:23
Just to share about my recent inquiry to PSA. I emailed them asking few questions and almost instantly I got a reply. Not only that the reply was fast, it came from none other than Tom Vodhanel himself. Talk about serious customer service power!  :D The people at AVS and Audioholics are all praises for their customer service and I'm glad I got first hand experience. I even told him about Xtremeplace; who knows maybe he will signup to be a member one of these days   ;)
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: joamonte on May 24, 2013, 10:44
will see how this 2 sub measure up,  ported vs sealed.

Rythmik F25 USD1399
(http://i308.photobucket.com/albums/kk329/ckpeng/F25_raw_zpsbf7613e3.jpg)

Bro how much does it sell in Singapore?
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: AB Chan on May 27, 2013, 23:10
Just to share about my recent inquiry to PSA. I emailed them asking few questions and almost instantly I got a reply. Not only that the reply was fast, it came from none other than Tom Vodhanel himself. Talk about serious customer service power! 

I read, Tom Vodhanel was formerly from SVS.  He was a  co-founder,  Director of R&D and Head of Technical Support when he was with SVS. It is interesting to know that his name, Vodhanel, is the "V" and Ron Stimpson, the other founder, is the "S" in the brandname SVS.  So, though PSA is a new name in Subwoofer, the man Tom Vodhanel behind it is an old hand in the game.  :)
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: r0n1n31 on May 28, 2013, 01:24
I read, Tom Vodhanel was formerly from SVS.  He was a  co-founder,  Director of R&D and Head of Technical Support when he was with SVS. It is interesting to know that his name, Vodhanel, is the "V" and Ron Stimpson, the other founder, is the "S" in the brandname SVS.  So, though PSA is a new name in Subwoofer, the man Tom Vodhanel behind it is an old hand in the game.  :)

Yeah, and don't forget about Jim Farina. He came from SVS too and replaced Tom when Tom left. Now he is also a co-founder of PSA  ;D
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Tom V. on May 29, 2013, 03:30
Just to share about my recent inquiry to PSA. I emailed them asking few questions and almost instantly I got a reply. Not only that the reply was fast, it came from none other than Tom Vodhanel himself. Talk about serious customer service power!  :D The people at AVS and Audioholics are all praises for their customer service and I'm glad I got first hand experience. I even told him about Xtremeplace; who knows maybe he will signup to be a member one of these days   ;)

 Hello all,

 If there are any questions I may help with regarding our products please don't hesitate to let me know, thanks!

 Tom V.
 Power Sound Audio
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: CASH on May 29, 2013, 07:00
Hello all,

 If there are any questions I may help with regarding our products please don't hesitate to let me know, thanks!

 Tom V.
 Power Sound Audio

omg!!!!! Tom V in the house!!!!!
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: r0n1n31 on May 29, 2013, 07:50
Welcome To XP Tom!   :D
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: hiryu on May 29, 2013, 08:50
Hi Tom,

Welcome to XP. Hope you will enjoy your time here.


Rgds,
Darren

Power Up!
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: coupe07 on May 29, 2013, 10:17
Wow, the man himself, tom, is in the house!!!!!

Welcome, tom.
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: m0j0_vin on June 01, 2013, 02:52
An interesting chart that PSA came up with. I wonder if the measurements were taken within the same room and conditions.

http://www.powersoundaudio.com/blogs/news/8001109-competition-comparison
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: synthesis on June 01, 2013, 09:27
An interesting chart that PSA came up with. I wonder if the measurements were taken within the same room and conditions.

http://www.powersoundaudio.com/blogs/news/8001109-competition-comparison


If the measurement is correct, at 32Hz in room extension, Emotiva cannot be qualified as subwoofer....  8)
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: econav on June 01, 2013, 15:49
Power of Sound ,where should we go for shoot out  :P
(http://i308.photobucket.com/albums/kk329/ckpeng/IMG_3243_zps1623c9f5.jpg)

(http://i308.photobucket.com/albums/kk329/ckpeng/IMG_3242_zps3719b14e.jpg)
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: francishuang on June 01, 2013, 18:06
Wa....shoot again ar. Wat shoot wat?? ;D
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: jackmbox on June 01, 2013, 19:03
My setup needs some addition....  ;D
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: sdds on June 01, 2013, 20:12
First impression , midbass test ( book of elif) ,  kk sub ( 12x12 )beat psa sub  ( xv15) hands down . For price wise , psa subwoofer is a good buy . Able to give resonable mid bass punch . After running in should be better . ;D
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: r0n1n31 on June 01, 2013, 20:34
First impression , midbass test ( book of elif) ,  kk sub ( 12x12 )beat psa sub  ( xv15) hands down . For price wise , psa subwoofer is a good buy . Able to give resonable mid bass punch . After running in should be better . ;D

Hi did Peng brought XS30 to test with DxD12012? Thats what Im eager  to know ;D
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: sdds on June 01, 2013, 20:45
Nope , dual xv15 .
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: econav on June 01, 2013, 20:49
calling speed , where are you ;D

he is busy with the12x12 and XS30 ;D
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: sdds on June 01, 2013, 20:54
Haha , he is busy playing with his new toy . ;D
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: econav on June 01, 2013, 20:56
Wa....shoot again ar. Wat shoot wat?? ;D

Now on hand I have 2xF113 , 1xF212 , 2x detech super cube(1x15 with2x15pasive ), 2xPB12+ , 1xPB13U , 2xULS15 , only need to find a space can sit 20/30 person and put up a 200" 3D screen , location ,location,location......when , when , when......
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: econav on June 01, 2013, 20:59
Bro how much does it sell in Singapore?

The new model with 800w amp not ready to ship here yet , price will be close but by indent only.
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: econav on June 01, 2013, 21:00
My setup needs some addition....  ;D

recall your Fv15Hp.
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: econav on June 01, 2013, 21:02
Hi did Peng brought XS30 to test with DxD12012? Thats what Im eager  to know ;D

 I will be yr area again on Monday with sdds and if needed may drop in to ricky101 , you open house and we will come ;D
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: r0n1n31 on June 01, 2013, 21:18
Now on hand I have 2xF113 , 1xF212 , 2x detech super cube(1x15 with2x15pasive ), 2xPB12+ , 1xPB13U , 2xULS15 , only need to find a space can sit 20/30 person and put up a 200" 3D screen , location ,location,location......when , when , when......

Talk about sub shootout, bring it on wohoo ;D
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: r0n1n31 on June 01, 2013, 21:33
Nope , dual xv15 .

Thanks!
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: r0n1n31 on June 01, 2013, 21:35
I will be yr area again on Monday with sdds and if needed may drop in to ricky101 , you open house and we will come ;D

My place? Sure, I just need to talk to the baby (neighbor's) to see if its okay ;)
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: econav on June 01, 2013, 21:36
Talk about sub shootout, bring it on wohoo ;D

ON , when you want to open house? what are the sub you want to test .
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: econav on June 01, 2013, 21:43
Haha , he is busy playing with his new toy . ;D

ask him to stack and resetup again , but he was already half dead carrying  the new born ;D
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: sdds on June 01, 2013, 21:46
Yup he told me so exhausted that he give up , now watching movie to enjoy the psa sub .
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: sdds on June 01, 2013, 21:54
Peng , u can have the ultimate subwoofer shootout for this year . Can't wait  :P
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: francishuang on June 01, 2013, 22:04
Now on hand I have 2xF113 , 1xF212 , 2x detech super cube(1x15 with2x15pasive ), 2xPB12+ , 1xPB13U , 2xULS15 , only need to find a space can sit 20/30 person and put up a 200" 3D screen , location ,location,location......when , when , when......

U need 14ft closed cab lorry....  lol
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: r0n1n31 on June 01, 2013, 22:10
ON , when you want to open house? what are the sub you want to test .

Bringing JL Audio, SVS, KK and PSA in one place will be a dream :D Add Seaton and JTR  will be a subfest!  :o of course its just a dream  ;D
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: sdds on June 01, 2013, 22:13
Unless bros with submersive , jtr , earthquake , sub able to t loan for this event .
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: econav on June 01, 2013, 22:14
Bringing JL Audio, SVS, KK and PSA in one place will be a dream :D Add Seaton and JTR  will be a subfest!  :o of course its just a dream  ;D

is not a dream , we have done that few months ago , just now even more old and few more New
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: econav on June 01, 2013, 22:15
U need 14ft closed cab lorry....  lol

 on , your service is needed .
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: econav on June 01, 2013, 22:18
Unless bros with submersive , jtr , earthquake , sub able to t loan for this event .

will add to list , now time time  ?? this month ?? 2 weeks time ? 20 sub ?
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: ronildoq on June 01, 2013, 23:59
Wow. Eager to see what psa sub can offer
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Tom V. on June 02, 2013, 01:28
An interesting chart that PSA came up with. I wonder if the measurements were taken within the same room and conditions.

http://www.powersoundaudio.com/blogs/news/8001109-competition-comparison

 All the data was taken form documented reviews of the product on audioholics or databass.com 

 http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/speakers/subwoofers/x-ref-12/x-ref-12-measurements


 All of the output data is normalized to the same for all products----woofer facing the mic, 2 meter measurement distance, rms(not peak) values.  If anyone wants to compare these figures to 2010 CEA standard you have to add 9dB to everything(on the chart) as 2010 CEA mandates 1m , peak values.

 Tom V.
 Power Sound Audio
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: jackmbox on June 02, 2013, 10:57
recall your Fv15Hp.

yep. size is a problem though. PSA subs are huge...

12012 might be the biggest I can accommodate in that corner...
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Speedsun on June 02, 2013, 11:32
The psa sub (xv15 & xs30) jus slightly bigger than kk...but much heavier.....
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Speedsun on June 02, 2013, 11:35
ask him to stack and resetup again , but he was already half dead carrying  the new born ;D

I wake up with backache... :(
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Speedsun on June 02, 2013, 11:37
Unless bros with submersive , jtr , earthquake , sub able to t loan for this event .

Interested to see psa vs seaton n jtr....american muscle Match of the year! :p
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: r0n1n31 on June 02, 2013, 12:03
The psa sub (xv15 & xs30) jus slightly bigger than kk...but much heavier.....

Hi, may i know whats your initial impression between KK and XS30? :)
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Speedsun on June 02, 2013, 12:13
Hi, may i know whats your initial impression between KK and XS30? :)

The most obvious to notice is the much slower speed compare to kk....law of physics I guess (15" vs 12")....I still can't get them to synchro together...but xs30 provides lots of strong deep rumble which the kk lack at that department...will need further running in to provide better comparison .... I feel that the xs30 can do so much better if it had more power to spare :)

(http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/1720/imagevjgn.jpg)
Kk beside xs30 ....messy right now...at the mist of shifting house soon
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: francishuang on June 02, 2013, 12:30
Anyone with xv30f can comment on the low with comparison to jl's?
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: r0n1n31 on June 02, 2013, 12:59
The most obvious to notice is the much slower speed compare to kk....law of physics I guess (15" vs 12")....I still can't get them to synchro together...but xs30 provides lots of strong deep rumble which the kk lack at that department...will need further running in to provide better comparison .... I feel that the xs30 can do so much better if it had more power to spare :)

Thank you for sharing your review!
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: ronildoq on June 02, 2013, 13:59
The most obvious to notice is the much slower speed compare to kk....law of physics I guess (15" vs 12")....I still can't get them to synchro together...but xs30 provides lots of strong deep rumble which the kk lack at that department...will need further running in to provide better comparison .... I feel that the xs30 can do so much better if it had more power to spare :)

(http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/1720/imagevjgn.jpg)
Kk beside xs30 ....messy right now...at the mist of shifting house soon

Interesting, considering the price for the PSA, looks like a bang for the buck!
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Speedsun on June 02, 2013, 14:24
Ok enough of playing with it....bad bad bad ...false ceiling can't take it already...one portion fell off
(http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/8901/imagenfo.jpg)
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: m0j0_vin on June 02, 2013, 14:56
Lol. I bet you were happy nonetheless.
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Tom V. on June 02, 2013, 20:57

 "Bass speed".

 It is a common misconception that the "speed" of bass( or any frequency is somehow tied to the diameter of the cone producing the sound. This is absolutely incorrect. You can read more about this topic here.

 http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showthread.php?3490-quot-Fast-quot-and-quot-slow-quot-subwoofers-can-we-put-them-to-bed

 http://www.data-bass.com/data?page=knowhow&type=1

 Basically, the "speed" of a subwoofer is often directly tied to it's frequency response at the seating positions among other variables.(like the integration with the main speakers).  The deeper the frequency being produced, the longer the sound wave. A 30hz wave length is around 38ft, 20hz is about 55ft, 10hz is over 100ft long!

 Now, the longer the sound wave, the longer the "decay time" in a room.  A longer decay time will almost always be subjectively interpreted as "slower".

 So all things being equal....a subwoofer that produces more deep bass will almost always sound subjectively "slower" in listening sessions. (this assumes the two subwoofers being compared are relatively close in overall performance of course)

 The XS30 has a very advanced(and expensive) DSP "front end" on the amplifier. This allows us to do all of our customization in the digital domain. Using this we carefully shaped a smooth and gradual roll off <30hz on the XS30.  You can see this here. (click on measurement tab)

 http://www.powersoundaudio.com/collections/power-x/products/xs30

 When comparing the XS30 to a product line that has a much steeper roll off down low (like the KK series) it wouldn't be a surprise for some to consider the XS30 "slower". In fact, that would be expected.   Here is a graph of a FR measurement of the KK12.

 http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/sub-zone-subwoofer-testing/63537-kreisel-dxd12012.html

 At 30hz, it is already down 5-6dB from its upper bass. The XS30 is nearly flat(maybe down 1dB).
 At 20hz the KK is down 11dB, XS30 is down 5dB.

 And the differences increase even further <20hz. This isn't to argue against anyone's personal preference of course. Only that including "cone size" in the discussion would be a mistake. These level differences are *huge*. Quite often a level difference of just 1dB would be audible in a controlled listening session.

 Tom V.
 Power Sound Audio

 
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: jimi on June 02, 2013, 22:43
Ok enough of playing with it....bad bad bad ...false ceiling can't take it already...one portion fell off
(http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/8901/imagenfo.jpg)

Respect!!

You never know, that gap may now act as a helmhotz resonator and temper the bass boom! :D
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: whyeme on June 02, 2013, 22:56
Ok enough of playing with it....bad bad bad ...false ceiling can't take it already...one portion fell off
(http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/8901/imagenfo.jpg)

OMFGosh!!!

Can't imagine the look on the wife's face should this happen to my false ceiling!  ;D
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: synthesis on June 02, 2013, 23:33
Ok enough of playing with it....bad bad bad ...false ceiling can't take it already...one portion fell off
(http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/8901/imagenfo.jpg)


Now that it's open you can fill up the false ceiling with Rockwool for bass trap before installing back the fallen piece.  ;) 
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: m0j0_vin on June 03, 2013, 03:24
"Bass speed".

 It is a common misconception that the "speed" of bass( or any frequency is somehow tied to the diameter of the cone producing the sound. This is absolutely incorrect. You can read more about this topic here.

 http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showthread.php?3490-quot-Fast-quot-and-quot-slow-quot-subwoofers-can-we-put-them-to-bed

 http://www.data-bass.com/data?page=knowhow&type=1

 Basically, the "speed" of a subwoofer is often directly tied to it's frequency response at the seating positions among other variables.(like the integration with the main speakers).  The deeper the frequency being produced, the longer the sound wave. A 30hz wave length is around 38ft, 20hz is about 55ft, 10hz is over 100ft long!

 Now, the longer the sound wave, the longer the "decay time" in a room.  A longer decay time will almost always be subjectively interpreted as "slower".

 So all things being equal....a subwoofer that produces more deep bass will almost always sound subjectively "slower" in listening sessions. (this assumes the two subwoofers being compared are relatively close in overall performance of course)

 The XS30 has a very advanced(and expensive) DSP "front end" on the amplifier. This allows us to do all of our customization in the digital domain. Using this we carefully shaped a smooth and gradual roll off <30hz on the XS30.  You can see this here. (click on measurement tab)

 http://www.powersoundaudio.com/collections/power-x/products/xs30

 When comparing the XS30 to a product line that has a much steeper roll off down low (like the KK series) it wouldn't be a surprise for some to consider the XS30 "slower". In fact, that would be expected.   Here is a graph of a FR measurement of the KK12.

 http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/sub-zone-subwoofer-testing/63537-kreisel-dxd12012.html

 At 30hz, it is already down 5-6dB from its upper bass. The XS30 is nearly flat(maybe down 1dB).
 At 20hz the KK is down 11dB, XS30 is down 5dB.

 And the differences increase even further <20hz. This isn't to argue against anyone's personal preference of course. Only that including "cone size" in the discussion would be a mistake. These level differences are *huge*. Quite often a level difference of just 1dB would be audible in a controlled listening session.

 Tom V.
 Power Sound Audio

Thanks for the informative post Tom. Now I don't have to worry that a sub with large woofers might be slow. The posts on the first link is a bit technical for me to understand but I kinda get the message. ;D
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Tom V. on June 03, 2013, 03:56


 The OP in the first link is Todd Welti(from harman).   Probably the most important part of his text (with regards to what I was mentioning) is his fourth point. 

 ***The crux of the matter seems to be the cutoff frequency and alignment of the subwoofer at the low end***

  All that means is the shape of the frequency response <30hz-40hz.

  There is so much information available on acoustics and psycho-acoustics available on the net today I would encourage everyone to spend a little time with their favorite search engine. Welti, Yates, Nousaine, Keele, Toole....the list just goes on.  You won't find goofy marketing slogans...just real science, analysis, and often discussions..:)

  Tom V.
  Power Sound Audio

 
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: ronildoq on June 03, 2013, 11:58
"Bass speed".

 It is a common misconception that the "speed" of bass( or any frequency is somehow tied to the diameter of the cone producing the sound. This is absolutely incorrect. You can read more about this topic here.

 http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showthread.php?3490-quot-Fast-quot-and-quot-slow-quot-subwoofers-can-we-put-them-to-bed

 http://www.data-bass.com/data?page=knowhow&type=1

 Basically, the "speed" of a subwoofer is often directly tied to it's frequency response at the seating positions among other variables.(like the integration with the main speakers).  The deeper the frequency being produced, the longer the sound wave. A 30hz wave length is around 38ft, 20hz is about 55ft, 10hz is over 100ft long!

 Now, the longer the sound wave, the longer the "decay time" in a room.  A longer decay time will almost always be subjectively interpreted as "slower".

 So all things being equal....a subwoofer that produces more deep bass will almost always sound subjectively "slower" in listening sessions. (this assumes the two subwoofers being compared are relatively close in overall performance of course)

 The XS30 has a very advanced(and expensive) DSP "front end" on the amplifier. This allows us to do all of our customization in the digital domain. Using this we carefully shaped a smooth and gradual roll off <30hz on the XS30.  You can see this here. (click on measurement tab)

 http://www.powersoundaudio.com/collections/power-x/products/xs30

 When comparing the XS30 to a product line that has a much steeper roll off down low (like the KK series) it wouldn't be a surprise for some to consider the XS30 "slower". In fact, that would be expected.   Here is a graph of a FR measurement of the KK12.

 http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/sub-zone-subwoofer-testing/63537-kreisel-dxd12012.html

 At 30hz, it is already down 5-6dB from its upper bass. The XS30 is nearly flat(maybe down 1dB).
 At 20hz the KK is down 11dB, XS30 is down 5dB.

 And the differences increase even further <20hz. This isn't to argue against anyone's personal preference of course. Only that including "cone size" in the discussion would be a mistake. These level differences are *huge*. Quite often a level difference of just 1dB would be audible in a controlled listening session.

 Tom V.
 Power Sound Audio

makes perfect sense! thanks for the explanation, tons to learn
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Speedsun on June 03, 2013, 12:27
"Bass speed".

 It is a common misconception that the "speed" of bass( or any frequency is somehow tied to the diameter of the cone producing the sound. This is absolutely incorrect. You can read more about this topic here.

 http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showthread.php?3490-quot-Fast-quot-and-quot-slow-quot-subwoofers-can-we-put-them-to-bed

 http://www.data-bass.com/data?page=knowhow&type=1

 Basically, the "speed" of a subwoofer is often directly tied to it's frequency response at the seating positions among other variables.(like the integration with the main speakers).  The deeper the frequency being produced, the longer the sound wave. A 30hz wave length is around 38ft, 20hz is about 55ft, 10hz is over 100ft long!

 Now, the longer the sound wave, the longer the "decay time" in a room.  A longer decay time will almost always be subjectively interpreted as "slower".

 So all things being equal....a subwoofer that produces more deep bass will almost always sound subjectively "slower" in listening sessions. (this assumes the two subwoofers being compared are relatively close in overall performance of course)

 The XS30 has a very advanced(and expensive) DSP "front end" on the amplifier. This allows us to do all of our customization in the digital domain. Using this we carefully shaped a smooth and gradual roll off <30hz on the XS30.  You can see this here. (click on measurement tab)

 http://www.powersoundaudio.com/collections/power-x/products/xs30

 When comparing the XS30 to a product line that has a much steeper roll off down low (like the KK series) it wouldn't be a surprise for some to consider the XS30 "slower". In fact, that would be expected.   Here is a graph of a FR measurement of the KK12.

 http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/sub-zone-subwoofer-testing/63537-kreisel-dxd12012.html

 At 30hz, it is already down 5-6dB from its upper bass. The XS30 is nearly flat(maybe down 1dB).
 At 20hz the KK is down 11dB, XS30 is down 5dB.

 And the differences increase even further <20hz. This isn't to argue against anyone's personal preference of course. Only that including "cone size" in the discussion would be a mistake. These level differences are *huge*. Quite often a level difference of just 1dB would be audible in a controlled listening session.

 Tom V.
 Power Sound Audio

 

Now i understand better (", Tom thank you for the informative write up
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: r0n1n31 on June 03, 2013, 16:34
Just got my PSA, special thanks to Peng. Not only he is the sifu but he is also muscle man! Surprised that he lifted the box all by himself, thats what I call power!  ;D
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: jimi on June 03, 2013, 20:28


Now that it's open you can fill up the false ceiling with Rockwool for bass trap before installing back the fallen piece.  ;) 

Heh! LIKE!

@Speedsun: I have a spare block of Rockwool- 3ftx2ftx1ft. Should be enough- it's yours if u want it :)
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Speedsun on June 03, 2013, 21:06
Synthesis and jimi : Cannot fix back the broken piece already cause it turn to many pieces when it landed ...need to redo the entire part :(
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: synthesis on June 03, 2013, 21:30
Synthesis and jimi : Cannot fix back the broken piece already cause it turn to many pieces when it landed ...need to redo the entire part :(


Well you still better to fill up the new false ceiling with rockwool anyway..... 
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: sdds on June 07, 2013, 11:44
Yesterday night , try out the book of elf , forget which chapter ( the scene with the gpmg machine gun) , together with the kk n psa xv15 sub , the midbass is really chest pounding bass that can be felt on the chest .. I find that the psa sub is a bit under power for the 15 inch driver . A more powerful amp would really help the driver .
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: r0n1n31 on June 07, 2013, 16:10
Thanks for sharing your observation bro sdds.

Anyway here's my observation on XS30. The other day, I played "The Haunting" and the sub gave me a solid deep bass that rattled almost everything in the living area  :) anyway, the midbass improved a lot when I set the LPF to 150Hz.

Peng, I got inspired by your "Flash point" bd that I decided to get a copy for myself ;D its only dvd but encoded in dts so its a great movie to test midbass ;)
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: sdds on June 07, 2013, 16:20
Bro ron1n31 ,

Do try out flash point , book of elf , last stand , wow etc. adding another xs30 would be awesome to yr setup . ;D
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: francishuang on June 07, 2013, 16:48
Ron. Pay u a visit one of this days? Am interested to find out the refinement level of the xs30.

Scott, bring book of eli tml? I do not have that disc
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: sdds on June 07, 2013, 17:51
Ok sure .
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: r0n1n31 on June 07, 2013, 18:33
Bro ron1n31 ,

Do try out flash point , book of elf , last stand , wow etc. adding another xs30 would be awesome to yr setup . ;D

Ok bro will try thanks. I want to add another sub, but after wifey saw how big XS30 is, I dont think its possible :D
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: r0n1n31 on June 07, 2013, 18:35
Ron. Pay u a visit one of this days? Am interested to find out the refinement level of the xs30.

Scott, bring book of eli tml? I do not have that disc

Sure if time permits why not :) but my setup is not a good as yours  :P
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: francishuang on June 07, 2013, 19:01
Interested to hear the sound of it. I am sure its value for money. Just wana know how close it is to ones that cost double triplethe pprice.my setup ok only. Non treated living hall. Wun sound as clean n quiet like many bros here who has a treated room.
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Yubaba on June 07, 2013, 20:26
you are not the only one, my setup is at the hall too
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Speedsun on June 07, 2013, 20:38
I too very tempted to add one more xs30...itch itch itch
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: francishuang on June 07, 2013, 21:14
you are not the only one, my setup is at the hall too

Land scare singapore...wat to do..
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Began on June 07, 2013, 21:40
Ok bro will try thanks. I want to add another sub, but after wifey saw how big XS30 is, I dont think its possible :D
Bro,  not to worry.  Bring your wife to Peng shoot out. Once she got poison and she will complain why other "So Big" and yours "So Small".

I mean the Sub only don't thing y y.

Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: r0n1n31 on June 07, 2013, 22:58
Okay I thought most of you have dedicated HT rooms   ;)

Lol @ Began  ;D
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: branong on June 23, 2013, 23:49
Bros, need your advice. What would be a good PSA substitute for SVS PB12-NSD ? And is it sold in SG? Or would it be cheaper to buy direct from US. Thanks
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: m0j0_vin on June 24, 2013, 04:03
Bros, need your advice. What would be a good PSA substitute for SVS PB12-NSD ? And is it sold in SG? Or would it be cheaper to buy direct from US. Thanks

One owner from AV forums described the XV15 as equal/slightly better than his previous PB12-Plus.  He changed to PSA because the grill on his SVS kept falling off when playing loud.  You can get PSA sub from Peng (econav).  It would probably be cheaper to buy direct but you don't have local warranty.
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: branong on June 24, 2013, 10:37
Thanks bro. I'll contact bro Peng on the XV15.
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: cutegigi on June 24, 2013, 23:53
please do share about your experience getting xv15 from bro peng. I might be interested also.
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Tom V. on June 25, 2013, 01:57
One owner from AV forums described the XV15 as equal/slightly better than his previous PB12-Plus.  He changed to PSA because the grill on his SVS kept falling off when playing loud.  You can get PSA sub from Peng (econav).  It would probably be cheaper to buy direct but you don't have local warranty.

 We are still hopeful that an official dealer agreement will be reached with econav soon. Once that is in place they will be able to handle any warranty issues that may arise. With (well designed)power subwoofers, if anything needs attention it will be the electronics/amp 99% of the time.  Shipping individual orders to this region is very expensive. For delivery within 7-10 days the shipping will often cost more than the product. So we would prefer to ship in larger quantities(to a dealer). This way the maximum percentage of the product cost is shared by the manufacturer(Power Sound Audio) and the dealer who will be supporting all of the purchases.(instead of various shipping companies around the world who really have no interest in the product except as a generic item to ship).

 Tom V.
 Power Sound Audio
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Tom V. on June 25, 2013, 02:07
Bros, need your advice. What would be a good PSA substitute for SVS PB12-NSD ? And is it sold in SG? Or would it be cheaper to buy direct from US. Thanks


  It depends on what you are looking for from the upgrade. The XV15 will extend deeper and have approximately double the clean output capabilities using the 2010-cea measurement methods(averaged from 20-80hz) I also consider the "sound quality" metrics to be very important when looking at subwoofers. In my opinion the group delay, impulse response, and stored energy signature (water-fall) often can tell someone quite a bit regarding how two subwoofers may sound very different from one another. I do encourage everyone to look over the available data sets on each product to learn more about them. ( www.data-bass.com)

 Tom V.
 Power Sound Audio
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: francishuang on June 25, 2013, 07:02
We are still hopeful that an official dealer agreement will be reached with econav soon. Once that is in place they will be able to handle any warranty issues that may arise. With (well designed)power subwoofers, if anything needs attention it will be the electronics/amp 99% of the time.  Shipping individual orders to this region is very expensive. For delivery within 7-10 days the shipping will often cost more than the product. So we would prefer to ship in larger quantities(to a dealer). This way the maximum percentage of the product cost is shared by the manufacturer(Power Sound Audio) and the dealer who will be supporting all of the purchases.(instead of various shipping companies around the world who really have no interest in the product except as a generic item to ship).

 Tom V.
 Power Sound Audio

Hi tom,
In view of this, any firm plans to have the triax avail as a 230v configuration? 
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Tom V. on June 25, 2013, 21:02
Hi tom,
In view of this, any firm plans to have the triax avail as a 230v configuration?

 It already is..:)   In fact we have nearly as many 208-240v orders as domestic orders at the moment. There is one gentleman who has ordered multiples and intends to do a "quatro-stack". I cannot vouch for his sanity at this point as the system will be in the 140dB range(2010-cea) over much of the operating bandwidth...but we did request pictures.

 In smaller room areas I would *not* suggest this option. All kidding aside, you will be risking various structural issues. You are looking at 3-4x the displacement and 3-4x the amperage(compared to the other popular "quatro-stack" option often discussed. 

 http://citizenscientistsleague.com/2011/07/27/a-diy-seismograph/

 Tom V.
 Power Sound Audio
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: sevenz on September 29, 2013, 18:30
Bros, any users of the xs30 or xs15 so far?  :)
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Tom V. on October 08, 2013, 09:07

 Hi all,

 Quick update. We should have our negotiated rates finalized in about 24 hours.

 I will post updates as soon as I can.

 Tom V.
 Power Sound Audio
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: r0n1n31 on October 08, 2013, 14:42
Thanks Tom! I know its only applicable in the US but would like to know if trade-in program will be offered to international consumers :D
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Yubaba on October 08, 2013, 16:57
You want to ship your sub back for trade in?
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: francishuang on October 08, 2013, 16:59
The shipping charge may be close to your sub trade in price
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: r0n1n31 on October 09, 2013, 07:38
Sorry what I meant was if there will be a trade-in program once an offical dealer agreement is reached.

Edit: on second thought, Peng is already doing trade-ins :D
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: sevenz on October 12, 2013, 08:30
Thanks Tom! I know its only applicable in the US but would like to know if trade-in program will be offered to international consumers :D

bro, u eying the triax izit?  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: r0n1n31 on October 12, 2013, 17:41
bro, u eying the triax izit?  ;D ;D

Who would not want a Triax? :D still have to save more before I can buy  ;)
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Hero on October 12, 2013, 18:41
Two XS30 stacked would be a few hundred cheaper than one Triax. Would'nt that be a better choice? Also the footprint for a Triax is much larger.
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: r0n1n31 on October 12, 2013, 21:14
Two XS30 stacked would be a few hundred cheaper than one Triax. Would'nt that be a better choice? Also the footprint for a Triax is much larger.

XS30 is powered only by a 725W amp, so even if you stack 2, the output will still be less than the 4000W amp of a Triax. Below is an excerpt from AVS:
"With the xs30 it would roughly take 4 to equal 1 Triax in the 15-35hz region and 2 xs30's to equal the 40-63hz output... however the Triax will have Less THD at all levels, more extension, and pobably slightly better sound quality."

Perhaps Tom can explain further :D
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Yubaba on October 13, 2013, 00:02
Triax is now upgraded to 6000w not 4000w
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Tom V. on October 13, 2013, 00:03
Hi all,

 Quick update. We should have our negotiated rates finalized in about 24 hours.

 I will post updates as soon as I can.

 Tom V.
 Power Sound Audio

 Sorry guys, this is taking much longer than I expected.  Jim and I are both engineers at heart so we're learning as we go with all of this international shipping stuff.  We do have quotes to port and from port to central distribution point. Now we are just waiting on final quotes for a few other things so we can offer final pricing estimates for anyone who  a) would be willing to pick up product at distribution point,  b) would prefer a shipment to their address.

 I'll update everyone as soon as possible.

 Tom V.
 Power Sound Audio
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Tom V. on October 13, 2013, 00:12
Two XS30 stacked would be a few hundred cheaper than one Triax. Would'nt that be a better choice? Also the footprint for a Triax is much larger.

 You would be looking at about 3 XS30s to = one Triax <40hz and 2 XS30s >40hz.

 So dual XS30s would be fairly close. It just all depends on what the end goal is. The single Triax would lend itself more to future upgrade-ability.

 Tom V.
 Power Sound Audio
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: r0n1n31 on October 13, 2013, 07:27
Triax is now upgraded to 6000w not 4000w

In prep for the new drivers? The website still shows 4k though :D thanks for the correction!
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Hero on October 13, 2013, 10:02
Triax is now upgraded to 6000w not 4000w

6000W i assume is max output and not continuous consumption but would such high power rating trip up house circuit breaker or melt fuse? Is it correct to assume our normal power point is rated at 13A so at 240V, the max power is 13*240 = 3120W? Can anyone kindly help to clarify any potential power issues for the Triax...?
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: AB Chan on October 14, 2013, 00:57
Singapore's mains supply is 230V 50Hz. 

When the Triax is plugged into a 13A power point and driven above (230x13) 2990W RMS, it will simply trip the 13A circuit breaker.   In other words, we will never be able to drive the Triax to its max output.

According to HDB's regulations, any appliance with electrical rating above 15A is not allowed or requires a special permit.

A 6,000W RMS Triax would need a current of more than 26A, considering the speaker's amplifier is only 95% efficient.  This is more than half the max electrical loading of 40A provided by HDB for each household.

Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Tom V. on October 14, 2013, 09:17
6000W i assume is max output and not continuous consumption but would such high power rating trip up house circuit breaker or melt fuse? Is it correct to assume our normal power point is rated at 13A so at 240V, the max power is 13*240 = 3120W? Can anyone kindly help to clarify any potential power issues for the Triax...?

  You are correct if we were looking for continuous long term output for minutes or even hours at a time. The reality is that music and film source material is transient in nature so as long as the power amplification can provide the required output for a second or two....that is generally much longer duration than what will actually be required. Factor in the capacitance of the amplifier and the ability for home circuit breakers to pass 2-4x there ratings for 4-8 seconds before "tripping".  The combination of all of this will allow the Triax amplifier to produce power output far beyond the formula above.   If you used a test tone requiring a "steady" power input (sine wave) you could trip the breaker at very loud levels. Of course this should be avoided anyway as you can easily damage the subwoofer and this type of abuse would not be covered under any industry warranty.

 There is a bit of good reading here.
 
 http://www.meyersound.com/support/papers/amp_power.htm

 Tom V.
 Power Sound Audio
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: francishuang on October 14, 2013, 14:15
I would actually worry abt neighbours 1st before worrying abt tripping..  lol  ur neighbours may be ur best trip prevention
 ;D
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Hero on October 14, 2013, 16:17
Thanks for your reply Tom.

Based on my limited understanding, I suppose anyone considering the Triax in Spore should first ensure you have an available power point that is connected to its own circuit breaker (similar to aircon power points). Or at least ensure all other power points connected to that particular circuit breaker is not heavily loaded. Even so, with only a 13A fuse in a typical HDB circuit breaker, have to keep fingers crossed the fuse inside won’t melt during heavy bass action. Anyone have experience please share. Did I read somewhere that Peng had a 20kW sub?    ;D
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: econav on October 14, 2013, 16:53
Did I read somewhere that Peng had a 20kW sub?    ;D

it need 3 phase to start with and is over the floor loading limit of HDB ;)
the amp section, the burst to look at and the power needed to maintan that for more than 1/2 second ;D
http://www.l-acoustics.com/products-touring-rack-62.html
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: AB Chan on October 14, 2013, 17:13
A circuit breaker has no fuse inside. It trips when overload and can simply be reset. Danger is when it is faulty and doesn't trip. Cables are sized according to current load. High current will overheat the cables, cause the insulation to melt which could then result in a short circuit and fire. Always a safe practice to keep within current limits.
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Hero on October 14, 2013, 17:47
A circuit breaker has no fuse inside. It trips when overload and can simply be reset. Danger is when it is faulty and doesn't trip. Cables are sized according to current load. High current will overheat the cables, cause the insulation to melt which could then result in a short circuit and fire. Always a safe practice to keep within current limits.

Thanks for the info. There will be a real danger if say 2 x 3000W electric kettles are on the same circuit.

I just read on another forum where Tom advised that 2 x Triax (old 4000W RMS) should be OK on a 15A circuit. See here >
http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/subwoofers/85637-power-sound-audio-triax-subwoofer-preview.html

Bro Peng, any update on pricing, next shipment, preorder?  ;D

Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Yubaba on October 14, 2013, 18:18
FYI, price of TRIAX has increased to USD 3099
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Tom V. on October 15, 2013, 01:37
Thanks for your reply Tom.

Based on my limited understanding, I suppose anyone considering the Triax in Spore should first ensure you have an available power point that is connected to its own circuit breaker (similar to aircon power points). Or at least ensure all other power points connected to that particular circuit breaker is not heavily loaded. Even so, with only a 13A fuse in a typical HDB circuit breaker, have to keep fingers crossed the fuse inside won’t melt during heavy bass action. Anyone have experience please share. Did I read somewhere that Peng had a 20kW sub?    ;D

 In a properly installed home service there should never be any fear of fire or anything "melting". I would say dual Triax on their own 13amp/230v service will never give anyone "breaker trip" problems in any conceivable scenario. The triax design is quite efficient. For example, the typical bass calibration "test tone" is band limited to 40-80hz.  If you had dual Triax in say a 2000 cu-ft room(one in each front corner) you would need to use a very small fraction of one watt to reach proper calibration levels. If the amplifiers were producing just 100 watts each, the bass production would be at full reference level. (118-124dB) at the seating positions.

 Dual Triax would be similar in output to two full stacks (8 units total)of the KK 12012.  The idea of pushing either system to anything close to its limits in a room size common to this geographical area (1500-3000 cu-ft?) is a bit frightening.

 Tom V.
 Power Sound Audio
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Tom V. on October 15, 2013, 01:45
FYI, price of TRIAX has increased to USD 3099

 
 The Triax in Satin Black(208-240v version) will be $3099 if someone arranges their own freight forwarder to pick up at our Ohio location. If we need to ship to a location in the USA the price will increase $100-$150 depending on the freight charges involved. The reason for this upcharge on 208-240v is our cost on the amplifiers is higher. There is a cost increase simply because the 208-240v is more expensive for the vendor to manufacture. But there is also a secondary cost increase because we can order large quantities of the 120v version. At the moment we only order the 208-240v in much smaller quantities...usually 3-6 at a time.

 Tom V.
 Power Sound Audio

 
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: strauss on October 17, 2013, 17:39
Dear Tom V.,

Please confirm the pick-up address in USA  is as follows:

1330 Seaborn Street, Suite 2 Mineral Ridge, OH 44440

Kindly advise the gross weight and dims of the Triax with box
so that I can check with my freight forwarder,thanks.

Tel: 330.349.0943 (M-F 11-4)
Fax: 848.260.6609

Regards
Strauss
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Yubaba on October 17, 2013, 17:59
I can answer on behalf on Tom as he is busy

32"x48"x36:, weight 280 Pound
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: sevenz on October 17, 2013, 21:22
Dear Tom V.,

Please confirm the pick-up address in USA  is as follows:

1330 Seaborn Street, Suite 2 Mineral Ridge, OH 44440

Kindly advise the gross weight and dims of the Triax with box
so that I can check with my freight forwarder,thanks.

Tel: 330.349.0943 (M-F 11-4)
Fax: 848.260.6609

Regards
Strauss

bro, u sure getting liao? Your HT room will kapuut due to overload of good bass   ;D ;D
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: r0n1n31 on October 17, 2013, 23:05
bro, u sure getting liao? Your HT room will kapuut due to overload of good bass   ;D ;D

Bro you can still change your mind, get the Triax instead of XS30 :D
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: strauss on October 18, 2013, 11:08
Hi,

Thanks for the information. I am checking on the rates and will see whether worth getting.
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: r0n1n31 on October 18, 2013, 11:10
PSA has shipped the first few batches of pre-ordered Triax! I wonder if any XPer belongs to the first few batches  8)
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: francishuang on October 18, 2013, 14:04
PSA has shipped the first few batches of pre-ordered Triax! I wonder if any XPer belongs to the first few batches  8)

4 sets inbound?
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: sevenz on October 18, 2013, 21:05
Bro you can still change your mind, get the Triax instead of XS30 :D

Tom said the Triax is overkill for my room size, XS30 very suitable. but... recently i got another project. Beri satisfied  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: gchuva on October 18, 2013, 21:44
Tom said the Triax is overkill for my room size, XS30 very suitable. but... recently i got another project. Beri satisfied  ;D ;D

What did you do?
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: francishuang on October 19, 2013, 07:27
Cut them some slack.  :)  yes, they have been in this biz for years, but all along they have been designing n making them. They are prob are quite new in planning for logistics, selling overseas etc. They are aft all a very small team.  The triax is so heavy and definitely they will face problems with shipping cost. N of course the driver change debacle and other hip cups render their product costing estimate useless. I wouldnt be suprise if they do not have the facilities to store 100 200 subs let alone the ability to produce before orders are made.
They are aft all a new n small company facing problems like any new start ups. They themselves know they gota be attractive in price to get new customers. They will definately not overprice themselves until they become big. for higher range more exp models that sell less in quantity,  they find it hard to achieve economies in scale.
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: sevenz on October 19, 2013, 20:38
What did you do?

got my hands on a used MBM12 to play with cos I felt my system needed a little more midbass. Before this, I have been shifting my true sub around and tweaking the crossover, dist and gain to compensate to get the best midbass out.

Now, after adding MBM, the thump in the chest is better than ever ! And my true sub's low rumble has improved too cos i think the load on the true sub had been reduced and it can concentrate on the very low bass. (though integrating the two subs was at first challenging and took me many days to resolve the bass peaks and phase problems)

Maybe next step is to add Antimode   ;D ;D
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Tom V. on October 20, 2013, 01:03
Cut them some slack.  :)  yes, they have been in this biz for years, but all along they have been designing n making them. They are prob are quite new in planning for logistics, selling overseas etc. They are aft all a very small team.  The triax is so heavy and definitely they will face problems with shipping cost. N of course the driver change debacle and other hip cups render their product costing estimate useless. I wouldnt be suprise if they do not have the facilities to store 100 200 subs let alone the ability to produce before orders are made.
They are aft all a new n small company facing problems like any new start ups. They themselves know they gota be attractive in price to get new customers. They will definately not overprice themselves until they become big. for higher range more exp models that sell less in quantity,  they find it hard to achieve economies in scale.

 Thanks for the comments.  Jim and I have some help in terms of assembly and basic ware-house stuff but 99% of the logistics involved to keep Power Sound Audio running day to day....the two of us handle.  We are both engineers at heart and simply have a wonderful time when we are in "design, develop, test" mode. But we are also "learning as we go" in many other areas. International shipping is definitely something we have little experience with to date.   Of course a common answer is "well, hire more people"..:)   We will, eventually. For now, Power Sound Audio is right were we want it. 

 Tom V.
 Power Sound Audio
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: r0n1n31 on October 21, 2013, 03:08
4 sets inbound?

You know them? So lucky :)
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Yubaba on October 21, 2013, 06:32
He knows because he is buying 4 triax
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: francishuang on October 21, 2013, 23:08
Nope. Not mine. Did not order any psa stuff. Still running in my rthymiks
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: sevenz on May 04, 2014, 01:42
Heads up. PSA just refreshed their products to include SE versions. Think amp is the same but driver different. :)
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: htng on September 29, 2015, 00:14
Anyone using a PSA XV15SE? I wonder how is the sound
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Yubaba on September 29, 2015, 10:48
The SE amp comes with DSP function
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Tom V. on October 07, 2015, 21:52

 Hi all,

 We use the same amp with the SE models but the amplifiers use a completely different software(DSP) program to optimize them to the new driver(s).

 Please let me know if I can answer any other questions,

 Tom V.
 Power Sound Audio
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: wizardofoz on October 07, 2015, 23:35
I must say its nice to have the vendors popping in like Tom does. Wish more took the initiative to do...


Thanks Tom for keeping up appearances.  8)
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: sevenz on October 08, 2015, 17:31
Agreed w bro wiz too.

Tom - keep up the postings! ;)
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Tom V. on November 11, 2015, 23:19
Power Sound Audio T-18 update.

The T-18 will now include an updated amplifier with much more user control and setup flexibility. The amplifier still offers the same power for the T-18---4000 watts for 110-120v and 6000 watts for 220-240v applications so there won't be any difference in the maximum output capabilities. (see amplifier silk screen/controls here https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/01...01259786352192 )

We will have the new amplifiers in stock in approximately 30 days. Because of this delay in shipping we're offering the following discounts on any new T-18 orders.

A single T-18 is now $2749, down from the regular price of $2999. DUAL T-18s are now $5199, down from the regular pricing of $5699. This pricing will only last for a short time so please don't hesitate if you are interested in experiencing one of the most powerful home audio subwoofers available.

We will also be offering an upgrade program for any existing Triax and T-18 owners. Give us a few days to get these details worked out and I'll update you as soon as possible.

Tom V.
Power Sound Audio
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Yubaba on November 12, 2015, 09:37
Hi Tom

Thanks for offering this upgrade program to existing PSA Triax owners.

No doubt the PSA Triax is the most powerful HT subwoofer till now
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: sevenz on November 12, 2015, 14:09
Great to see u posting again Tom!  :)

Thanks for the great work in the upgrades and making good subs for users like us

Would u be exploring any local agent soon to carry psa products ? ;)
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Yubaba on November 17, 2015, 19:24
Now my house curve and my PSA Triax had been fully optimised by Antimode Mode Dual Core 2.0. It's bass performance had been brought up another level

Anyone who wishes to come for a listen and view to this beast, just drop me line.

Lastly, i wish to thanks Brother Powerpot99 for selling this wonderful device and the bad thing is i have to rewatch all my movies again :(

My setup is very simple, just a normal 5 speakers setup with an old Denon 2309 AVR
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: CASH on November 17, 2015, 22:11
can i be invited to have a listen?
i have had the honour of hosting u at my place before.
if can, i believe u know my hp number..
its all over the place in my postings.
do call or drop me a sms or whatsapp..
 :)
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Yubaba on November 18, 2015, 09:57
Hi Cash

Will only able to host on selected days, i will let you know

thanks
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: CASH on November 18, 2015, 10:42
cheers bro!
would be great to check out the sub.
must always be on the lookout for anything that comes by.
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Yubaba on November 22, 2015, 11:32
i am able to host 1 demo session today from 3 to 5pm
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Throttlestop on February 01, 2016, 16:07
http://hometheaterreview.com/power-sound-audio-s3600i-subwoofer-reviewed/

Recent article on the PSA S3600i....
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: sevenz on February 04, 2016, 22:11
http://hometheaterreview.com/power-sound-audio-s3600i-subwoofer-reviewed/

Recent article on the PSA S3600i....

thanks bro for sharing the link. Another quality sub by Tom.

Yea man, a lot of positive reviews from the AH and AVS forums. Hehe, anyone bringing in?  :)
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Jag on February 04, 2016, 22:39
Forumers who have been to my place already comment my dual Rythmiks are already not WAF friendly.

This 3600 is even bigger, almost the same volume as a small washing machine.
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Yubaba on February 04, 2016, 23:36
3600 is 2x18 inch woofers, it is huge
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: khlim_77 on February 05, 2016, 08:29
Hi need help from all sifu here

currently looking for a sub for my HT , what are the psa model that similar with SVS PB-2000 or pb12 +

is that only dealing online , there is not any dealer located in SG ?

Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Yubaba on February 05, 2016, 11:07
you should go for 15inch woofer instead, forget about 12 inch
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: r0n1n31 on February 08, 2016, 10:15
Hi need help from all sifu here

currently looking for a sub for my HT , what are the psa model that similar with SVS PB-2000 or pb12 +

is that only dealing online , there is not any dealer located in SG ?

SVS are 12 incher. PSA's smallest is 15", you may go for XV15. Check with bro Peng, he may have used items.
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Yubaba on February 10, 2016, 09:17
XV15 is an old product, should go for the ice power series
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: poojasl1 on February 11, 2016, 14:59
this is best sound.........
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: khlim_77 on March 16, 2016, 23:43
SVS are 12 incher. PSA's smallest is 15", you may go for XV15. Check with bro Peng, he may have used items.

Sorry, mind to provide me Peng contact , I am newbie here, so don't know who are the sifu
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: sigurros on March 17, 2016, 06:53
Sorry, mind to provide me Peng contact , I am newbie here, so don't know who are the sifu

His nick in XP is econav. 9638 7418
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: khlim_77 on March 18, 2016, 13:05
His nick in XP is econav. 9638 7418

thanks for the help , does any one here intention to create another MO , either for
SVS or PSA , i am interesting on it
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: sigurros on March 18, 2016, 13:18
thanks for the help , does any one here intention to create another MO , either for
SVS or PSA , i am interesting on it

SVS has a local agent KEC.

PSA you can check with bro Yubaba.
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Yubaba on March 18, 2016, 13:56
khlim_77, i did drop you an PM before with my contact number but you seem not interested to reply

i reckon you are not interested at all
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: whyeme on March 18, 2016, 18:57
Seems like popular 15 inch sealed subs are currently the Rythmik E15HP and Hsu ULS15MK2. Any equivalent from PSA?
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Yubaba on March 19, 2016, 15:43
S1500,V1500,S3000i

You can also take T18HT
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: khlim_77 on March 31, 2016, 09:13
S1500,V1500,S3000i

You can also take T18HT

the model you mention above is in sealed sub right , how to diferent shades PSA ported and sealed sub ?
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: sevenz on March 31, 2016, 12:08
the model you mention above is in sealed sub right , how to diferent shades PSA ported and sealed sub ?

The specs or manual in the website should have it. Generally for psa subs, if I'm not wrong, those model no with  'V' likely are ported e.g. xv15.
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: khlim_77 on March 31, 2016, 12:57
S1500,V1500,S3000i

You can also take T18HT

bro , you got the packing diameter of the V1500 ?
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Yubaba on March 31, 2016, 15:28
bro , you got the packing diameter of the V1500 ?

Go to PSA URL tonight, initial a live chat and Tom will be answer all your queries

V is ported sub and S is sealed sub
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Yubaba on April 03, 2016, 08:12
I have an open house on Tues to Thurs ( Afternoon and Evening) for bros here who want to hear quality of Power Sound Audio Triax Subwoofer, Antimode Dual Core and ATI power amp. Those bros who had previous came to my house before and you are welcome again to give me your comments on my current setup

Tues Afternoon

1. sevenz

Wed Night

1. eagle15
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: sevenz on April 03, 2016, 11:05
I have an open house on Tues to Thurs ( Afternoon and Evening) for bros here who want to hear quality of Power Sound Audio Triax Subwoofer, Antimode Dual Core and ATI power amp. Those bros who had previous came to my house before and welcome again to give me your comments on my current setup

power la bro! :) way to go
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: khlim_77 on April 03, 2016, 12:08
I have an open house on Tues to Thurs ( Afternoon and Evening) for bros here who want to hear quality of Power Sound Audio Triax Subwoofer, Antimode Dual Core and ATI power amp. Those bros who had previous came to my house before and welcome again to give me your comments on my current setup

Nice to have that , too bad i out of town next week
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Yubaba on April 06, 2016, 08:04
power la bro! :) way to go

sevenz, thanks for coming yesterday and i hope you enjoyed this wonderful session
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: sevenz on April 06, 2016, 10:23
sevenz, thanks for coming yesterday and i hope you enjoyed this wonderful session

Thanks for hosting & opening your house bro. Enjoyed the chit chat, and also the sound of your ATI beauty w/ the dynaudios. If u decide to let go of the ATI, u know what to do.... ;D ;D
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Yubaba on May 10, 2016, 04:58
I have an open house on Thu evening, Fri (Afternoon and Evening) for bros here who want to hear quality of Denon X4200W AVR (no Atmos speakers yet), Power Sound Audio Triax Subwoofer, Antimode Dual Core and 7 channels ATI power amp. Those bros who had previous came to my house before and you are welcome again to give me your comments on my current setup

Friday Afternoon
1. Kenshire
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Yubaba on May 10, 2016, 21:40
Just completed setup Denon X4200W and the result is very unreal
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: sevenz on May 10, 2016, 22:31
Just completed setup Denon X4200W and the result is very unreal

Congrats! Im sure it should be much better bro. The audyssey xt32 and the better parts in the 4200 will help the SQ a lot. ;)
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: kenshin07 on May 15, 2016, 16:42
Thanks bro yubaba for the invitation last friday. Had a great time catching up with old friend.

Overall the system has improved significantly from my last visit in 2014.
- With your new ati power amp, your system sounded smoother, better dynamics and more control over your previous emotiva.
- the traix sub now sounded cleaner with better bass extension, not forgetting this sub is a beast itself. :)
Of course it takes good placement and skill set to fine tune the bass. Btw the xt32 we tried sound bloated which i have long ditched and replaced it with the antimode.
- let the new avr run in and i am sure it will sound more musical.



Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Tom V. on May 27, 2016, 04:38

 Hi all,

 Just a FYI.  We're working with a new company that should provide much more reasonable rates to your region (especially Singapore) for our products. One example is the S1500. ( http://www.powersoundaudio.com/products/s1500 )

 Preliminary quotes are approximately $1250. That includes all import fees/taxes and it being represented to us as the TOTAL cost to the customer. Please let me know if I might answer any questions. Thanks!

 Tom V.
 Power Sound Audio
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: tbln on May 27, 2016, 08:23
Hi all,

 Just a FYI.  We're working with a new company that should provide much more reasonable rates to your region (especially Singapore) for our products. One example is the S1500. ( http://www.powersoundaudio.com/products/s1500 )

 Preliminary quotes are approximately $1250. That includes all import fees/taxes and it being represented to us as the TOTAL cost to the customer. Please let me know if I might answer any questions. Thanks!

 Tom V.
 Power Sound Audio

Great news Tom! 

If the company can keep relative pricing at the level across the whole range, it would make your subs quite an attractive option.

Keep us updated!
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: khlim_77 on May 27, 2016, 08:26
Hi all,

 Just a FYI.  We're working with a new company that should provide much more reasonable rates to your region (especially Singapore) for our products. One example is the S1500. ( http://www.powersoundaudio.com/products/s1500 )

 Preliminary quotes are approximately $1250. That includes all import fees/taxes and it being represented to us as the TOTAL cost to the customer. Please let me know if I might answer any questions. Thanks!

 Tom V.
 Power Sound Audio



thanks for the hard work Tom , mind to update what will the total cost for v1500

brother yubaba, is time the create the new MO , i am keen v1500 
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: sevenz on May 27, 2016, 23:14
Hi all,

 Just a FYI.  We're working with a new company that should provide much more reasonable rates to your region (especially Singapore) for our products. One example is the S1500. ( http://www.powersoundaudio.com/products/s1500 )

 Preliminary quotes are approximately $1250. That includes all import fees/taxes and it being represented to us as the TOTAL cost to the customer. Please let me know if I might answer any questions. Thanks!

 Tom V.
 Power Sound Audio

this is really awesome news! thanks Tom  :)

will this be a 'local agent' setup or shipping company that provides better shipping rates?
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Tom V. on May 27, 2016, 23:24
this is really awesome news! thanks Tom  :)

will this be a 'local agent' setup or shipping company that provides better shipping rates?

  http://crossborder.fedex.com/us/

 So far they are saying all the right things regarding rates, ease of use, customer interaction, etc. For example, if you place a product into "cart" you can see the TOTAL amount due within a couple of minutes. Product price+shipping+duties+applicable import/tax rates. You're have about 15 different options for payment. And you'll also see an accurate estimate for delivery(usually 10-12 days from what I understand).

 Tom V.
 Power Sound Audio
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Tom V. on May 27, 2016, 23:32


thanks for the hard work Tom , mind to update what will the total cost for v1500

brother yubaba, is time the create the new MO , i am keen v1500

  Looks to be $1525-1550 range.

  A V1800 is in the - $1750 range.

 EDIT.  I just checked the math and I made a mistake for the S1500. The initial quote will put it around $1350(not 1250). Sorry. The V1500 and V1800 quotes are okay.

  Tom V.
  Power Sound Audio
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Yubaba on December 13, 2016, 00:33
As my Subwoofer amp had broken down again after servicing, i informed Tom V of Power sound Audio of this issue. Without much hesitation, Tom decided to give me a brand new amp with another 5 years warranty. Kudos to Power Sound Audio for its great customer service

The new amp is much lighter, more control knobs. IEC Connector,Room Mode(house curve), RCA and XLR to play with and most important that is powered by DSP

Here are the picture of the latest 6000 watts subwoofer TORPEDO amp for my Power Sound Audio Triax

(http://i591.photobucket.com/albums/ss356/violator73/20161212_200425_HDR1.jpg) (http://s591.photobucket.com/user/violator73/media/20161212_200425_HDR1.jpg.html)

(http://i591.photobucket.com/albums/ss356/violator73/20161212_200319_HDR1.jpg) (http://s591.photobucket.com/user/violator73/media/20161212_200319_HDR1.jpg.html)

(http://i591.photobucket.com/albums/ss356/violator73/20161212_195213_HDR1.jpg) (http://s591.photobucket.com/user/violator73/media/20161212_195213_HDR1.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Yubaba on December 13, 2016, 09:57
Did a quick setup and using Shunyata Venom High Current power cord for testing purpose

Overall, Bass is deeper, speed is faster, punchier and layered textured
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: whitesox on December 13, 2016, 14:16
As my Subwoofer amp had broken down again after servicing, i informed Tom V of Power sound Audio of this issue. Without much hesitation, Tom decided to give me a brand new amp with another 5 years warranty. Kudos to Power Sound Audio for its great customer service

The new amp is much lighter, more control knobs. IEC Connector,Room Mode(house curve), RCA and XLR to play with and most important that is powered by DSP


Bro,
Wont mind to share what was the problem although already serviced? was it bcoz of no sound or hum or static crackling noise when you turn it ON?
Luckily PSA has good customer service and demonstrated to you (not just talking)  ;)

Hear from you soon
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: wizardofoz on December 13, 2016, 14:32
I wonder if the failures were related to our somewhat higher AC than nominated 230V we are typically seeing equipment rated for.
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Yubaba on December 13, 2016, 16:28
Hi Whitesox

The problem that i am facing was that the amp just powered off by itself while i was watching movies. The amp itself does not give hum or static crackling noise when turning it ON. It is a very clean and high current power amp that all leading subwoofers ( JTR, Seaton, RA and PSA) are using.

Hi Wiz

you have a point there and i do agree. This is the latest revision Amp and i hope it can solve the power issue.
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: whitesox on December 13, 2016, 16:52
Bro....
Cat also scared then run away.... looks good ler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdVosDJD52o

Which model is yours?
Title: Re: Power S. ound Audio
Post by: Yubaba on December 13, 2016, 17:20
Bro Whitesox

PSA made very good sub, the famous SVS 13 ultra woofer is designed by Tom V before he left SVS and started PSA with Jim Farina.

I remembered when i first tested PSA XV15 at a friend house, i was surprised that the midbass it produced as very close (85%) to KK 808. It costs about $1500 with shipping. Even the SVS PB Plus and PC plus cannot fight with this XV15

i am using PSA Triax Subwoofer which is now currently replaced by HT18. It is 110kg, made up three 15 inch woofers and 6000w amp.


Title: Re: Power S. ound Audio
Post by: whitesox on December 14, 2016, 09:48
Bro Whitesox

PSA made very good sub, the famous SVS 13 ultra woofer is designed by Tom V before he left SVS and started PSA with Jim Farina.

I remembered when i first tested PSA XV15 at a friend house, i was surprised that the midbass it produced as very close (85%) to KK 808. It costs about $1500 with shipping. Even the SVS PB Plus and PC plus cannot fight with this XV15

i am using PSA Triax Subwoofer which is now currently replaced by HT18. It is 110kg, made up three 15 inch woofers and 6000w amp.

Bro Yubaba,
PB subwoofer usually will go down further compare to SB subwoofer
Bigger driver (with bigger RMS watt) will have higher dbspl

But when I look at these two response curves and low pass Xover setting between 15"PSA and 12"SVS
(sorry I couldn't find audioholics study on SVS 15" that's why no choice to use 12" old model - not fair comparison)
... Look at 30-200hz region.. then suddenly clip for XV15
http://www.audioholics.com/subwoofer-reviews/xv-15-subwoofer/xv-15-subwoofer-measurements
http://www.audioholics.com/subwoofer-reviews/sb12-nsd-subwoofer/sb12-nsd-measurements

Price wise + performance + design = ?
What do you think?

OMG.. Triax is so huge...   
Walau how it sounds.. surely shake and blow everythings :o... 
(how about compare with Velo DD1812?)

I wonder how did you 'win' over your wife? and where did you put so it will be able to fire for three directions ?
Can I visit you?
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Yubaba on December 14, 2016, 22:02
Bro Whitesox

My friend just upgraded his amp for XV15 and he said the performance is much better that the previous amp, the bass is cleaner and punchier.

If i am not wrong, PSA Triax is three times powerful as PB13U, twice powerful as DD1812 and 6-8 times powerful than KK12012

When i showed my wife the look of Triax, she likes the unique shape and said it is piece of art :)

I placed my Triax in the hall, please do not get poison after visiting my place :)
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: VFMs on December 14, 2016, 22:45
Bro Yubaba, PMed you...
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: whitesox on December 15, 2016, 08:51
Bro Whitesox

My friend just upgraded his amp for XV15 and he said the performance is much better that the previous amp, the bass is cleaner and punchier.

If i am not wrong, PSA Triax is three times powerful as PB13U, twice powerful as DD1812 and 6-8 times powerful than KK12012

When i showed my wife the look of Triax, she likes the unique shape and said it is piece of art :)

I placed my Triax in the hall, please do not get poison after visiting my place :)

Haa..haahaa.. no worry to get poison bro Yubaba coz I was poisoned deeply once by Hsu and also heard good things about this subw
that's why I am interested to hear that !

I do appreciate and thanks for your invitation... Will PM you shortly
Cheers
 :)
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Yubaba on December 15, 2016, 10:07
After you heard about PSA, you will need to re-evaluate HSU subs.

For those bros, who has sent me the pm, i will arrange a time for you to come to my place to audit the sub

We will play Flight of the phoenix at 110-120db

Thanks
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: whitesox on December 15, 2016, 12:40
After you heard about PSA, you will need to re-evaluate HSU subs.

For those bros, who has sent me the pm, i will arrange a time for you to come to my place to audit the sub

We will play Flight of the phoenix at 110-120db

Thanks

OKie bro... Looking forward to know your demo schedule. I'm excited to hear 110-120db... wow !

I am curious to compare which one will get better bass effects and smoother between higher spl sub but at one place  or
 lower spl but few subs where place at few locations  in order to get better advantage of room gain and has a deeper extension in-room.   

Hope can hear from other brother's opinions
 :)
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: wechnivag on December 15, 2016, 14:24
Can I join the demo too, if it's by this weekend? Sunday I fly out until Christmas. .

Sent from my X9009 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: sypderman88 on December 15, 2016, 14:24
Hi,

Can share Tom's email address ? I am interested in getting their MTM210 speakers for HT.
Thanks.
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: joagib on December 15, 2016, 15:03
OKie bro... Looking forward to know your demo schedule. I'm excited to hear 110-120db... wow !

I am curious to compare which one will get better bass effects and smoother between higher spl sub but at one place  or
 lower spl but few subs where place at few locations  in order to get better advantage of room gain and has a deeper extension in-room.   

Hope can hear from other brother's opinions
 :)
Good! Bro,Pls post your findings...
Im keen to know also..
Pls remember to Re-evaluate all clauses below..
1)4×Hsu Uls15 at different location vs 1 Triax at 1 location.

2) 2 Front corners Hsu subs set for ultra low/2 Back Hsu subs sets for MBL mid punch behind sofa compare to 1 Triax at 1 location with 1 setting.

3)Total smooth out.

4)Total SPL room coverage.(Try playing Oblivion scene when Drone slammed and explode outside the cave)4×Hsu was measured 128db by SPL meter in HDB 5m×6m opened hall.

5)Try playing Oblivion library scene when the iron cable snaps.. How Low? Ultra low? Extended Low?You can hear it but at extended low,you need to compare the feel between 4×Hsu and 1 Triax.

6)Try playing Jack Reacher midbass shooting scene at the warehouse,feel which gives you heart thumbing press.

7)Try playing Sheffield Lab drum track..Drum Improvisation,hear how the sub sounds,is it drum leather tapping sound or hollow clapping.

8)Localization of sub...whether low frequency can be felt everywhere in the room or can be 'heard' ,if it can be heard,its there,means its localized.

9)Triax has 1 very powerful amp to powered 3×15" woofer.
Hsu has 1 amp to powered 1×15"woofer..so which amp plate has longer lifespan?Cleaner bass?
For example... driving speakers with Mono Blocks amp sounds better/cleaner/detail or driving with multi channels amp?

10)Price..4×Hsu uls15 mk2 about the same price with 1 Triax ,shipping/Tax included.

*Above are my own Comments/Evaluations/Experience on both subs,nothing biased,Im not related to both HSU or PSA, or I would have conducted MO when I brought in 4 Hsu for own use.

Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: whitesox on December 15, 2016, 16:26
Good! Bro,Pls post your findings...
Im keen to know also..
Pls remember to Re-evaluate all clauses below..
1)4×Hsu Uls15 at different location vs 1 Triax at 1 location.

2) 2 Front corners Hsu subs set for ultra low/2 Back Hsu subs sets for MBL mid punch behind sofa compare to 1 Triax at 1 location with 1 setting.

3)Total smooth out.

4)Total SPL room coverage.(Try playing Oblivion scene when Drone slammed and explode outside the cave)4×Hsu was measured 128db by SPL meter in HDB 5m×6m opened hall.

5)Try playing Oblivion library scene when the iron cable snaps.. How Low? Ultra low? Extended Low?You can hear it but at extended low,you need to compare the feel between 4×Hsu and 1 Triax.

6)Try playing Jack Reacher midbass shooting scene at the warehouse,feel which gives you heart thumbing press.

7)Try playing Sheffield Lab drum track..Drum Improvisation,hear how the sub sounds,is it drum leather tapping sound or hollow clapping.

8)Localization of sub...whether low frequency can be felt everywhere in the room or can be 'heard' ,if it can be heard,its there,means its localized.

9)Triax has 1 very powerful amp to powered 3×15" woofer.
Hsu has 1 amp to powered 1×15"woofer..so which amp plate has longer lifespan?Cleaner bass?
For example... driving speakers with Mono Blocks amp sounds better/cleaner/detail or driving with multi channels amp?

10)Price..4×Hsu uls15 mk2 about the same price with 1 Triax ,shipping/Tax included.

*Above are my own Comments/Evaluations/Experience on both subs,nothing biased,Im not related to both HSU or PSA, or I would have conducted MO when I brought in 4 Hsu for own use.

Walau.. those steps are so complicated to me coz I am not subwoofer expert like you all.
I just want to hear, enjoy it and learn from bro Yubaba. I heard he is one of our bassy guy (expert in sub tuning).
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Yubaba on December 15, 2016, 19:13
Bro Whitesox

i agreed above steps are complicated, life is short why complicated your life.

I am not expert as i was lucky to learn the bass tuning from Brother Jason Yeo and Jag. They will very nice to share their knowledge with me.

I am using subwoofer tuning knowledge to help out bros here.

Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Jag on December 15, 2016, 19:37
In the end, it's up to individual preference how they like their sound.

However, it's important to be familiar with the reference frequency response to form the basic benchmark to our ears. From there, individual preference begins to form.... stronger ULF, snappy mid-bass, tactile transducer..... they all help to shape the bass structure.

Mostly importantly, is knowing how to quantify these bass response changes scientifically.... repeatable and reproducible changes.

The transducers are the means to the end. The knowledge is the guiding principles to get the end. The end is a different place and time for everyone.
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: sevenz on December 15, 2016, 19:45

I am curious to compare which one will get better bass effects and smoother between higher spl sub but at one place  or
 lower spl but few subs where place at few locations  in order to get better advantage of room gain and has a deeper extension in-room.   

Hope can hear from other brother's opinions
 :)

Bro, of cos multiple subs will have smoothen bass and better effects.

Personally, i used to be on a single sub setup too. But ever since having multiple subs, the new experience is a day and night difference. Bro ronil describes it as 3D bass after he switched to dual sub setup recently

It's not just smoothen the bass. If integrated the right way,  the other key improvements are - u will feel that your bass has a 'surround 3D' effect, bass is even in the room, and your sub cannot be localised.

But of cos, many of us constrained by WAF. if that's the case then no choice - get 1 excellent sub.
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: joagib on December 15, 2016, 19:50
Bro, of cos multiple subs will have smoothen bass and better effects. It's undisputed.

I used to be on a single sub too. But ever since having multiple subs, the new experience is a day and night difference. Bro ronil describes it as 3D bass after he switched to dual sub setup.

It's not just smoothen the bass. If integrated the right way,  the other key improvements are - u will feel that your bass has a 'surround 3D' effect, bass is even in the room, and your sub cannot be localised.

Smart you...lol
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: sevenz on December 15, 2016, 19:58
Smart you...lol
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: gluttony on December 16, 2016, 04:52
bro Sevenz is very right on the WAF,  it is not always easy to get approval for second subwoofer more. unless you are living alone and nobody bothers about you of buying many subs
i do understand why bro yubaba just buy one very good sub
if you have hair who wants to be botah
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: ronildoq on December 16, 2016, 08:50
Ha u are the power one bro joa  ;D U got one of the MOST multiple subs setup  ;D ;D too bad that time no chance to experience it. Must have hit u left right centre bottom (ouch)

My spouse will sluaghter me if I get more than 2 subs  :'(

I think two is good enough esp for hdb size, the 3rd and 4th doesn't contribute as significantly as the second addition. And in fact may make things more complicated or probably worsens it if not integrated well. 1 is good but the second sub adds Significant contribution towards the whole set up. Definitely worth the investment taking dual subs route. Once u have achieved the "reference" level, then all is left is the dial knob for "preference" and the kinda of tactile intensity one likes, tune till nirvana
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: gluttony on December 16, 2016, 09:14
As this is a Power Sound Audio user thread and it is not nice to continue. 

Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Yubaba on December 18, 2016, 07:57
pm has been sent out
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Yubaba on December 27, 2016, 18:05
I will free entire day on 4th Jan 2017, if everyone who is free on that day, you are welcome to join audit the PSA Triax and my simple Naim stereo setup

Just drop me a pm.
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: joagib on January 10, 2017, 14:12
As we read Pm send...Pm send...
I believed many have already went for the PSA Triax sub audition.
Any reviews/comments on PSA Triax sub from bros who went for the demo will be greatly appreciated for potential buyers who's looking to upgrade their sub can shortlist Triax in their list.

Example:
Many bros demo on KK subs
= Good reviews
Many bros demo on Rythmik FV15HP = Good reviews
Cash and my own demo on
Hsu uls15 mk2
= Good reviews

These subs reviews are really helpful for members to shortlist their audition and purchase.
Please share!



Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: kelvinsin on January 10, 2017, 15:15
Bro joagib, you mean the fv15hp demo by Jag?
KK sub by Econav?
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: joagib on January 10, 2017, 16:04
Bro joagib, you mean the fv15hp demo by Jag?
KK sub by Econav?
Yes...as usual...after Jag/Peng/Cash/myself and others home demo,be it subs/atmos/cables/Audessey workshop/Software calibration workshop or whatever demo session..there's always immediate reviews/comments and sharing..
Just curious how come for months or years now that there isnt any feedbacks on Triax after numerous demo.It doesnt matter positive or negative...its just for reference
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Cedric on January 10, 2017, 17:15
Hi all,

I have been quietly reading the forum for a while. I did have the privilege to listen to Yubaba's Triax and Niam Stereo setup. I am no expert by any means but I do find it much much much more impressive than my small tiny F12. My humble observation of the Triax as follow:

1. I find it very clean even on high volume.
2. Good strong "slam". I can feel the shock waves *thumbs up* Even the small "loose" items around the house were rattling.
3. It was not tiring even after listening for about an hour plus. I have heard some muddy subs that makes my ear tired. Triax definitely has the slam, the power and it is clean without making my ears fatigue.

My humble observation, cheers! :)
3.
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: CASH on January 10, 2017, 20:08
triax aint cheap....
but to see not even one bro post a review....
hmmmmmmm...
i wonder y?
now only 1 member has come out of the woodwork...
so.....
is it a really great sub?
makes me really wonder y....
 ;D
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: desray on January 10, 2017, 20:51
The success and longevity of the forum is contingent on the sharing of experience and knowledge. I find many members with different brands of AV equipment should share here so others can benefit. From time to time, I'll try my best to consolidate and gather my thoughts (not every time must come up with a new thread/topic) to reinforce or make comparisons of pros and cons of using certain setups after a period of time.
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: joagib on January 10, 2017, 21:33
Hi all,

I have been quietly reading the forum for a while. I did have the privilege to listen to Yubaba's Triax and Niam Stereo setup. I am no expert by any means but I do find it much much much more impressive than my small tiny F12. My humble observation of the Triax as follow:

1. I find it very clean even on high volume.
2. Good strong "slam". I can feel the shock waves *thumbs up* Even the small "loose" items around the house were rattling.
3. It was not tiring even after listening for about an hour plus. I have heard some muddy subs that makes my ear tired. Triax definitely has the slam, the power and it is clean without making my ears fatigue.

My humble observation, cheers! :)
3.

Thank you Cedric for your reviews,
appreciated!

1. I find it very clean even on high volume.
Q:Clean in what terms?IMHE most subs will sound distorted or congested when driven over their limited reference,when you described 'high volume',do you meant 'maximum headroom'?In my experienced trial on individual 1,2,3 and 4 subs setups,1 is localized,2 is smooth,3 is smoother,4 have the maximum headroom.

2. Good strong "slam". I can feel the shock waves *thumbs up* Even the small "loose" items around the house were rattling.
Q: Slam?Feel shock waves?Do you mean 'localisation'.Small items rattling?Could be due to untreated room?Rattling sound can be annoying,not enjoying during movie session but it can be avoided if sub is properly tuned.

3. It was not tiring even after listening for about an hour plus.
Q: Listening to 'high volume' as mentioned above, on movies?or listening to stereo on reference level?
I believe not all but most audiophiles dont listen to critical stereo with subs,the imaging will be congested.

I have heard some muddy subs that makes my ear tired.
Triax definitely has the slam, the power and it is clean without making my ears fatigue.
A : Very true on slam and power but clean sounding really depends on the tuning part for all subs.

Thanks again Cedric!
Although what you reviewed is a 3×15" sub compare to your 12" sub, I appreciate your review.
All the above I pen in is in positive views of Triax...meaning its all about how it is used/setup or tuned.
I heard Triax many times during my stay in my friend house.I love it!
Im hoping some 'Experts' to share their experience on Triax if they have heard before..Im very keen to shortlist Triax in my list for my next setup when Im back again.
Cheers!


Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: joagib on January 10, 2017, 21:58
The success and longevity of the forum is contingent on the sharing of experience and knowledge. I find many members with different brands of AV equipment should share here so others can benefit. From time to time, I'll try my best to consolidate and gather my thoughts (not every time must come up with a new thread/topic) to reinforce or make comparisons of pros and cons of using certain setups after a period of time.
Yes Sir Desray,sharing is always the 1st priority here...Im just eager to confirm the Triax perfomance to my passed Hsu uls15mk2 for my next setup,thats why im requesting for reviews and comments on Triax.I dont pin point comparision or condem on other subs in my Hsu thread too,every subs got their goodness n weakness but most importantly is sharing  on placement/setup/tuning to further improve it.
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: synthesis on January 10, 2017, 22:01
Giving review also kena exam ;D

Not everybody is active in the forum, i.e passive readers. Not everybody has ability to write comprehensive review. I can't. The lack of user review is not indication of lousy product....   
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: gluttony on January 10, 2017, 22:11
Agree with synthesis that lack of users do not mean it is a lousy product.
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Cedric on January 10, 2017, 22:26
Thanks joagib. To be honest, I really don't know how to answer your questions.

I have a really basic 5.1 setup. So basic until I also too shy to share out here in front of all the shifus.

Basically I just try to enjoy AV as best as I can with what I can afford. Thanks to yubaba for his sharing, I was given an opportunity to enjoyed his triax which to my ears sounded really good. As to the mechanics of it, it's beyond my limited knowledge to comprehend or explain in detail. It is also really beyond my reach financially so I can only drool from a distance. *sob*

Anyway, I joined this forum to learn more about AV and hope all the shifus here can continue your sharing.

Cheers!

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Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: joagib on January 10, 2017, 22:28
Thanks joagib. To be honest, I don't really know how to answer your questions.

I have a really basic 5.1 setup. So basic until I also too shy to share out here in front of all the shifus.

Basically I just try to enjoy AV as best as I can with what I can afford. Thanks to yubaba bfor his sharing, I was given an opportunity to enjoyed his triax which to my ears sounded really good. As to the mechanics of it, it's beyond my limited knowledge to comprehend or explain in detail. It is also really beyond my reach financially so I can only drool from a distance. *sob*

Anyway, I joined this forum to lear more about AV and hope all the shifus here can continue your sharing.

Cheers!

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Cheers!
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: wongkahkui on January 10, 2017, 23:26
Disclaimer: Pure personal opinion after listen to Triax, I'm definitely not an 'Expert' in both - writing essay and descript in HT lingo.  ;D


If I have the budget and space, I will definitely own it. It is a great sub for HT and I can't imagine going dual with this monster

 ;)
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: joagib on January 11, 2017, 14:15
triax aint cheap....
but to see not even one bro post a review....
hmmmmmmm...
i wonder y?
now only 1 member has come out of the woodwork...
so.....
is it a really great sub?
makes me really wonder y....
 ;D
Bro cash...if you compare Triax and multiple Hsu uls15mk2 pricing,indeed multiple Hsu more worth your money,so no need to talk abt pricing.Its the performance/sounding Im looking at.
Yes bro cash,no one is saying Triax is a lousy product,I gave compliments on Triax in my reply to Cedric.Im very keen on this Triax performance when i heard it at my friend place,I was comparing Cedric reviews on the Triax from what I heard before,its different..so im curious to know more,my queries are whether is it really due to the sub poor performance or due to improper setup that lead to this wonderful Triax sub to behave like it shoudnt be....before i decide to buy.
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: ahduck on January 11, 2017, 14:49
Woah. Just check the specs and this beast is more than 100kg.
I think most HDB dwellers like me. Or probably majority won't even consider it. Then of cos the odd looking shaped and to fine tune the placement. (Imagine to carry it to MLP and subcrawl and repositioned).
Most probably back break liao.. Finally the WAF.
As a newbie in HT and in XP, I rather go with the more common ones than choosing a 'cold door/ dark horse' Sub.

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Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: joagib on January 12, 2017, 00:13
Woah. Just check the specs and this beast is more than 100kg.
I think most HDB dwellers like me. Or probably majority won't even consider it. Then of cos the odd looking shaped and to fine tune the placement. (Imagine to carry it to MLP and subcrawl and repositioned).
Most probably back break liao.. Finally the WAF.
As a newbie in HT and in XP, I rather go with the more common ones than choosing a 'cold door/ dark horse' Sub.

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Yes you're right,the shape is indeed..umm .....dont say odd..say 'special'..its the one and only kind...lol
'Ice door or Black horse' I agree again.
Even if you have 3 different$1.5k@ subs,you can easily sell at $1.2@.but if Triax...very difficult to sell even at $3k liao..its a real BlackIceHorseDoor....thats why Im still considering all the factors that you mentioned above..taken into consideration..so for those who bought the Triax will have to prepare to used it for a long time.
WAF is an issue for some but not all...like cash and myself...our house Bo Cheng Hu one...we're the house hammer ...
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Yubaba on January 21, 2017, 19:05
Latest 18 inch subwoofers from Power Sound Audio

https://www.powersoundaudio.com/collections/pre-order
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: joagib on March 11, 2017, 08:51
Congratulation To PSA !
Power Sound Audio is now an Anthorized Online Denon Dealer.
Anyone interested can directly purchase online,just add usd$Price + usd$Shipping + usd$Insurance × 7% GST
= usd $1 × sgd$1.411
http://us10.campaign-archive1.com/?u=bd5173d3d70f65be97d59850d&id=985bc1f834&e=1ed84c092a
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Yubaba on July 18, 2017, 07:17
Latest subwoofer from PSA, 4 X 18 inch woofers

https://www.powersoundaudio.com/products/s7201
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: whyeme on May 12, 2019, 23:34
Just joined the psa club...used dirac to integrate the xs30 & my current DD+12...wow best bass depth, pulsating waves, texture, rumble & mid bass punch I've experienced in my hall to date :)
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: rock123 on May 17, 2019, 22:34
Just joined the psa club...used dirac to integrate the xs30 & my current DD+12...wow best bass depth, pulsating waves, texture, rumble & mid bass punch I've experienced in my hall to date :)

Congrats bro.
The PSA sub  is a solid performer mid bass sub for hot movies wit the orisun 12+ + nice. :)
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: kennyluck2000 on May 18, 2019, 20:55
PSA sub is definitely one of the top choice for me if come to selection of sub...Bass is full, can hit hard, dig deep and rumble everything around you..  8)
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: rock123 on May 18, 2019, 21:11
PSA sub is definitely one of the top choice for me if come to selection of sub...Bass is full, can hit hard, dig deep and rumble everything around you..  8)
+++
Yeh the thick texture plus awesome rumble. The best compact enclosure size for 18' vented.

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Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Yubaba on May 19, 2019, 00:29
Welcome to the family of PSA
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: whyeme on May 20, 2019, 23:49
Thanks guys...now just need more exposure to other good subs like rythmik, seaton, jtr, starke, aurendal etc...haha
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: rock123 on June 14, 2019, 13:07
Seem like PSA TV36 iPal UP the stage now. :)

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-subwoofers-bass-transducers/3018282-subwoofer-comparisons-impressions-55.html
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: rock123 on July 04, 2019, 22:13
BEAST  :o

https://www.powersoundaudio.com/products/TV36-IPAL
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: skate on August 08, 2019, 09:58
Recently had the chance to audit quite a number of reliable subs, such as rythmik, kk, svs, psa, etc.. After much consideration, I decided to make the move and bought the psa v1811. Fyi, my current setup I using 2 x kk808. After setting up, I must say the finishing of the sub is really nice and the bass is rich and full of texture. You can hear the overall sound is very thick which I like most. I placed the sub in near field directly behind my MLP and with the help of mini dsp, i can feel the slam and impact immediately. My listening volume usually is -18db in pure direct mode.
After 2 weeks of listening, I decided to end the game and bought the second v1811. Haha..after firing with 2 v1811, it really end the game and my room is only 2.7m length x 5.1m width x 2.8m height bedroom. Really need to thanks ovaition united win for the great service and products and helping me to carry the massive sub 2 times in less than a month. Thanks
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: rock123 on August 08, 2019, 10:03
Recently had the chance to audit quite a number of reliable subs, such as rythmik, kk, svs, psa, etc.. After much consideration, I decided to make the move and bought the psa v1811. Fyi, my current setup I using 2 x kk808. After setting up, I must say the finishing of the sub is really nice and the bass is rich and full of texture. You can hear the overall sound is very thick which I like most. I placed the sub in near field directly behind my MLP and with the help of mini dsp, i can feel the slam and impact immediately. My listening volume usually is -18db in pure direct mode.
After 2 weeks of listening, I decided to end the game and bought the second v1811. Haha..after firing with 2 v1811, it really end the game and my room is only 2.7m length x 5.1m width x 2.8m height bedroom. Really need to thanks ovaition united win for the great service and products and helping me to carry the massive sub 2 times in less than a month. Thanks

Bro congratuations man. Any photo to share? :)
Enjoy your dual Beasts!
Good service by OU
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: winwinc81 on August 08, 2019, 12:42
Recently had the chance to audit quite a number of reliable subs, such as rythmik, kk, svs, psa, etc.. After much consideration, I decided to make the move and bought the psa v1811. Fyi, my current setup I using 2 x kk808. After setting up, I must say the finishing of the sub is really nice and the bass is rich and full of texture. You can hear the overall sound is very thick which I like most. I placed the sub in near field directly behind my MLP and with the help of mini dsp, i can feel the slam and impact immediately. My listening volume usually is -18db in pure direct mode.
After 2 weeks of listening, I decided to end the game and bought the second v1811. Haha..after firing with 2 v1811, it really end the game and my room is only 2.7m length x 5.1m width x 2.8m height bedroom. Really need to thanks ovaition united win for the great service and products and helping me to carry the massive sub 2 times in less than a month. Thanks

Thank you bro skate for ya kind review! I must say I really fall of your throne chair. Can feel every bullets through the chest. Once heard can't be unheard. My subs feel so mediocre now... :'(

We should have tried stacking up when I'm there to check out how it sound..

Thank you once again and have a great weekend!
Brought to you by Ovation United 🤘
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: Yubaba on August 08, 2019, 12:54
It is good to see the number of PSA Subwoofer users are growing
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: kennyluck2000 on August 08, 2019, 13:09
Again just for a recap. PSA sub is definitely one of the top choice for me if come to selection of sub...Bass is full, can hit hard, dig deep and rumble everything around you..  8)
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: kennyluck2000 on August 08, 2019, 13:11
It is good to see the number of PSA Subwoofer users are growing
Yes nice to see more PSA users are growing   ;)
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: sevenz on August 08, 2019, 16:51
Recently had the chance to audit quite a number of reliable subs, such as rythmik, kk, svs, psa, etc.. After much consideration, I decided to make the move and bought the psa v1811. Fyi, my current setup I using 2 x kk808. After setting up, I must say the finishing of the sub is really nice and the bass is rich and full of texture. You can hear the overall sound is very thick which I like most. I placed the sub in near field directly behind my MLP and with the help of mini dsp, i can feel the slam and impact immediately. My listening volume usually is -18db in pure direct mode.
After 2 weeks of listening, I decided to end the game and bought the second v1811. Haha..after firing with 2 v1811, it really end the game and my room is only 2.7m length x 5.1m width x 2.8m height bedroom. Really need to thanks ovaition united win for the great service and products and helping me to carry the massive sub 2 times in less than a month. Thanks

Wow nice. Thanks for sharing your joy with us! Enjoy your new bass with dual subs!
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: ronildoq on August 08, 2019, 20:16
Recently had the chance to audit quite a number of reliable subs, such as rythmik, kk, svs, psa, etc.. After much consideration, I decided to make the move and bought the psa v1811. Fyi, my current setup I using 2 x kk808. After setting up, I must say the finishing of the sub is really nice and the bass is rich and full of texture. You can hear the overall sound is very thick which I like most. I placed the sub in near field directly behind my MLP and with the help of mini dsp, i can feel the slam and impact immediately. My listening volume usually is -18db in pure direct mode.
After 2 weeks of listening, I decided to end the game and bought the second v1811. Haha..after firing with 2 v1811, it really end the game and my room is only 2.7m length x 5.1m width x 2.8m height bedroom. Really need to thanks ovaition united win for the great service and products and helping me to carry the massive sub 2 times in less than a month. Thanks

Congrats skate ! Welcome to the dual  18” club !

Pics pls
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: skate on August 08, 2019, 22:52
Thanks all. Ya sorry I did not how to post pic. Maybe win can help to post a few. Btw..after doing some calibration and playing some of the movie clips, my L box crack at the side. Haha..damn.😔
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: rock123 on August 08, 2019, 23:31
Thanks all. Ya sorry I did not how to post pic. Maybe win can help to post a few. Btw..after doing some calibration and playing some of the movie clips, my L box crack at the side. Haha..damn.😔

hahhahaa PSA slam down my one downlights too  loll..
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: winwinc81 on August 08, 2019, 23:31
Thanks all. Ya sorry I did not how to post pic. Maybe win can help to post a few. Btw..after doing some calibration and playing some of the movie clips, my L box crack at the side. Haha..damn.😔

Wow. That's fast. I rem I casually made that remark... Din expect it to be this fast.
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: winwinc81 on August 08, 2019, 23:37
Bro Skate only use 1 x V1811.. a second one was purchased shortly after.

That was his throne chair that massages your spine while playing zombie land from 13 hour.

I bet the neighbor window panels shakes as well when the scene that the mortar hit the ground(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190808/bc6699a4fdb687b277fd34821d3dda5f.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190808/1c2d4ed2bb6b9fb5a00c828672dd19b6.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190808/e025103bcc03b51be9fb068e32dbd6f7.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190808/c897014f9f1f8138cd193d29b0c18f48.jpg)
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: kennyluck2000 on August 09, 2019, 03:52
Thanks all. Ya sorry I did not how to post pic. Maybe win can help to post a few. Btw..after doing some calibration and playing some of the movie clips, my L box crack at the side. Haha..damn.😔

Skate is about time for you to reconsider taking out the L-box. Or else you may not fully enjoy bass with these beast.... ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: desray on August 09, 2019, 06:20
Wow. I thought I saw a complete KEF series setup?!


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Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: skate on August 09, 2019, 10:09
Hi kenny,
Ya I will seriously consider removing my L box to improve my HT experience but hor my hse is just newly renovated.😭

Hi desray,
Yup I using full KEF setup. Just that my surround back is using the Q series and not the R series. My atmos up firing speakers r from elac btw. Always wanted to have a listen at ur atmos up firing setup but don have the chance.😂😂
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: kennyluck2000 on August 09, 2019, 11:11

Hi desray,
Yup I using full KEF setup. Just that my surround back is using the Q series and not the R series. My atmos up firing speakers r from elac btw. Always wanted to have a listen at ur atmos up firing setup but don have the chance.😂😂

Ya Skate & Kaydee6 got time must visit Desray. He has a very nice HT setup too... ;)
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: ngsk on August 09, 2019, 11:56
Bro skate,welcome to the '18" club',once in no out liao. Good to see more members move up to 18" sub n nice to see another full KEF spks base channels setup. PSA ported subs are well know for mid bass slam,enjoy the slam!!!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: skate on August 09, 2019, 12:50
Yeah man like bro ngsk had mentioned to me before, go for 18 inch sub minimally. And must be at least 2. Once in no regret. The only regret is my newly built L box that is crack. 😂😂 The future will be 21 inch sub liao. And once in double no regret. This is what I think.😉
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: ngsk on August 09, 2019, 13:16
Haha, no L-box if u're planing to run bigger subs,needs lots of isolation to prevent it from 'making noise' during bass heavy scenes. Anyway now tweaking them to your preferences n enjoy what u've best liao.
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: desray on August 09, 2019, 13:50
Hi kenny,
Ya I will seriously consider removing my L box to improve my HT experience but hor my hse is just newly renovated.😭

Hi desray,
Yup I using full KEF setup. Just that my surround back is using the Q series and not the R series. My atmos up firing speakers r from elac btw. Always wanted to have a listen at ur atmos up firing setup but don have the chance.😂😂

Maybe tmr or this coming Sun afternoon if you want to have a listen...BTW, a wise choice to get the Q series for surrounds...R series will be "over-kill"! The weakest link for you maybe the Elac Atmos speakers.


Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: skate on August 09, 2019, 14:55
Ya I really would like too but sad to say that I need to work on Sat and sun as I am a shift worker. Maybe next time.😊

For the elac up firing speakers, I find it still not bad. Good value for money as it is not too ex.😂😂
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: desray on August 09, 2019, 15:37
Ya I really would like too but sad to say that I need to work on Sat and sun as I am a shift worker. Maybe next time.😊

For the elac up firing speakers, I find it still not bad. Good value for money as it is not too ex.😂😂

Ok.
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: ronildoq on August 10, 2019, 14:29
Yeah man like bro ngsk had mentioned to me before, go for 18 inch sub minimally. And must be at least 2. Once in no regret. The only regret is my newly built L box that is crack. 😂😂 The future will be 21 inch sub liao. And once in double no regret. This is what I think.😉

Stick to the 18”s, if needed, add few more 18” stack , that should be end game... 21” will have different type of delays etc... stack or all 4 18” corner load, then let the subs cruise, don’t drive it too hard, different feeling when there is adequate headroom and subs in cruising mode..
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: ngsk on August 11, 2019, 09:17
Stick to the 18”s, if needed, add few more 18” stack , that should be end game... 21” will have different type of delays etc... stack or all 4 18” corner load, then let the subs cruise, don’t drive it too hard, different feeling when there is adequate headroom and subs in cruising mode..

+1
The main reason i suggested to go for min 15" if possible 18" sub is the low end extension should be there liao unless otherwise,can add more if needed. Another reason is to 'kill' that 'what if',this will 'kill' the ungrade bugs as well can save $$$ in long run.
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: ronildoq on August 13, 2019, 08:50
Skate, few suggestions after looking at the pics. Try this if possible

Move both subs one each at left right corners behind the mains

Move the mains forward away from the walls

Move your centre channel slightly back to form an arc with mains

For the centre speaker, there could be problems placing it inside the cabinet. You will experience a phenomenon known as “ comb filtering” , where the frequencies and energies are not able to dissipate.what follows is a type of “hollow” sound that takes away clarity.  If you can, Place it on TOP of the  console instead, right at the edge of the console.. Don’t slot it into that cabinet hole. Another alternative is to Ensure enough acoustic absorption behind the centre speakers and the sides, to absorb that reflection within the cabinets

Next use your minidsp, time align the subs (chances are don’t have to) due to it being equidistant. Then blend subs with mains before EQ

This should bring the entire system up to the next level
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: skate on August 13, 2019, 17:26
Hi Bryan,

Thanks for your feedback. Ya maybe I msg you about my constraint as I do not know how to post pic.😂😂 thanks.
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: winwinc81 on August 13, 2019, 17:47
Skate, few suggestions after looking at the pics. Try this if possible

Move both subs one each at left right corners behind the mains

Move the mains forward away from the walls

Move your centre channel slightly back to form an arc with mains

For the centre speaker, there could be problems placing it inside the cabinet. You will experience a phenomenon known as “ comb filtering” , where the frequencies and energies are not able to dissipate.what follows is a type of “hollow” sound that takes away clarity.  If you can, Place it on TOP of the  console instead, right at the edge of the console.. Don’t slot it into that cabinet hole. Another alternative is to Ensure enough acoustic absorption behind the centre speakers and the sides, to absorb that reflection within the cabinets

Next use your minidsp, time align the subs (chances are don’t have to) due to it being equidistant. Then blend subs with mains before EQ

This should bring the entire system up to the next level
bro! From the pictures you can roughly articulate what's better for him!
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: whitesox on August 13, 2019, 18:19
Haha, no L-box if u're planing to run bigger subs,needs lots of isolation to prevent it from 'making noise' during bass heavy scenes. Anyway now tweaking them to your preferences n enjoy what u've best liao.

Yap.. yap.. he is right! deep bass shakes everything more, not loud bass.
I was having a hard time to minimize those 'noises'... fine-tuning + acoustic foam (I pasted on the ceiling above my sub and each corner ceiling) 'tamped' down those noises
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: ronildoq on August 13, 2019, 18:26
Just helping a fellow member, hope to see him squeeze every juice out from the psa !

But looks like due to size constraints, there may not be much of a choice , if that’s the case, corner load the subs here at the circled area, then stack it, optimise the subs as 1 before EQ

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Have the drivers face MLP (45 degree placement), use a lower LPF for LFE, approx 100hz on the Yamaha

Focus on eliminating the peaks, the peaks in the room can be annoying and must be eliminated, then use a house curve to balance the boat. U need not worry about any dips, especially in a smaller room, it’s very easy to pressurise the room with the dual 18”

If you know how to time align the subs, then do it, and thereafter align with the mains... otherwise go with this option for time being, when I’m done with my set up, I’ll pop by to help u!  Need to have a listen to the dual psa as well!

There is not much benefit co locating the subs nearfield behind MLP

The other thing is to use good absorption for your centre speaker stuffed in the cabinet, otherwise U will be listening to your cabinet sound with the speakers placed that way...



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Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: whitesox on August 13, 2019, 18:59
Just helping a fellow member, hope to see him squeeze every juice out from the psa !

But looks like due to size constraints, there may not be much of a choice , if that’s the case, corner load the subs here at the circled area, then stack it, optimise the subs as 1 before EQ
Have the drivers face MLP (45 degree placement), use a lower LPF for LFE, approx 100hz on the Yamaha

Focus on eliminating the peaks, the peaks in the room can be annoying and must be eliminated, then use a house curve to balance the boat. U need not worry about any dips, especially in a smaller room, it’s very easy to pressurise the room with the dual 18”

If you know how to time align the subs, then do it, and thereafter align with the mains... otherwise go with this option for time being, when I’m done with my set up, I’ll pop by to help u!  Need to have a listen to the dual psa as well!

There is not much benefit co locating the subs nearfield behind MLP

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+1
If it is both big low bass pressure plus that kick in the chest performance that you are looking for in a home theater setup I would suggest you use a stacked configuration located on the inside edge of one of your two front speakers... (if your room has space).

The lower subw will be coupling to the floor providing the big bloom of the lowest frequencies while the upper subw will be coupling with the mode above the floor which will provide that visceral impact in your chest that you are asking for.

You will need to do an individual phase alignment for each unit.

Small room... use stack configuration
Bigger room ... use spread configuration

you can try both and play around until you find which one suits your room the most.
 ;D
Title: Re: Power Sound Audio
Post by: skate on August 13, 2019, 20:27
Thanks for all the feedback and advice. I will try it when I have the time. Really appreciate it.😊