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Title: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on August 31, 2012, 10:14
I was very impressed with these speakers during the HK Show 2012. Henceforth, staring a new thread for Raidho speakers.

Site: Raidho (http://www.raidho.dk/)

The new updated C series comes with upgraded design and improvement to tweeter, crossover and the internal wiring inside the speaker cabinet with Nordost Odin and Valhalla cables.

C1.1
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-IIExcSvdKUI/Tvxxglwy8dI/AAAAAAAAElg/sTsm63BqCjM/s400/Raidho-Acoustics-C1-1.jpg)

C2.1
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hsiiCVuKqhM/Tvxx2mbp24I/AAAAAAAAEl4/xK2gLUc2350/s400/Raidho-Acoustics-C2-1.jpg)

C3.1
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-clkqa6o2uj8/TvxyQaEmj6I/AAAAAAAAEmY/pWsMR7q6zME/s400/Raidho-Acoustics-C3-2%25282%2529.jpg)

C1.1,C2.1, C3.1 and C4.0
(http://www.highendcable.co.uk/Images/A2/Raidho%20Acoustics/RaidhoC1front.jpg)(http://www.highendcable.co.uk/Images/A2/Raidho%20Acoustics/RaidhoC2Front.jpg)(http://www.highendcable.co.uk/Images/A2/Raidho%20Acoustics/RaidhoC3Front.jpg)(http://www.highendcable.co.uk/Images/A2/Raidho%20Acoustics/RaidhoC4front.jpg)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on August 31, 2012, 10:14
Reserved for updates.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on August 31, 2012, 11:26
Hey bigtree,

You must be very impressed with the speakers to start a thread on them.    I note that most threads are started by owners rather than aspiring owners.

The updated C series has a new woofer too.

I hope to update mine soon.

I noted this from "The Absolute Sound"  AV Guide

"TAS considers Raidho's C 1.1 compact monitor one of the most realistic-sounding speakers available. Now, Jonathan Valin previews the firm's top model."

http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/roll-over-beethoven/?utm_campaign=Weekly+Newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=email-9 (http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/roll-over-beethoven/?utm_campaign=Weekly+Newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=email-9)

Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: planet on August 31, 2012, 18:51
The retail price for C2.1 at HK is $330000
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on September 01, 2012, 23:33

I note that most threads are started by owners rather than aspiring owners.


Look out for post#2.




Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: kzone on September 01, 2012, 23:47
Had a brief listen to the C2.1, it sounds EXPENSIVE! great depth, pin point imaging, very live! And its probably not even well run in yet. Oh, and it looks beautiful too.

Bigtree, quick post #2
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on September 02, 2012, 07:57
 :)
Look out for post#2.


OK, so I've just finished my Sunday morning cornflakes, so I am ready to read post#2.....   :)

In great detail please telling us why - out of all the options available - you choose a small Danish brand which until recent times was virtually unknown.

Once you're done get ready for some praise....
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: deaf.eye on September 02, 2012, 10:18
Raidho doesn't make any center speakers.
So, if you have a big and wide home theater room, dismantle the C4.0's base, turn it horizontal!
Voila! You have one of the best center channel!
;)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: durianlover88 on September 02, 2012, 10:52
Bro B3, reserved space makes folks excited man, what is it?

Using c4.0 for centre spkr would be so nice :)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: kzone on September 02, 2012, 13:39
Raidho doesn't make any center speakers.

The c-centric is not their center?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: deaf.eye on September 02, 2012, 13:44
The c-centric is not their center?

OIC, my bad!  Oops, didn't know there is a C-Centric...  ;D ;D ;D
My impression of Raidho was long ago overseas.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: kzone on September 02, 2012, 14:00
I'm not sure. I only saw the pic on the website and I assume its their center
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: meatballz on September 02, 2012, 19:36
http://www.youtube.com/v/NKiR0G4H4L4&fs=1

http://www.youtube.com/v/1jB3uK2taWY&fs=1
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: atx2 on September 02, 2012, 19:53
嘩﹗spk stand 好特別啊 好唔同 :)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on September 03, 2012, 07:09
嘩﹗spk stand 好特別啊 好唔同 :)

Yep, it looks very cool and it really rocks!  - Literally!

It is yet another masterpiece designed by Lars Kristensen (aka. Mr. Nordost, Mr. Cold Ray....)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on September 03, 2012, 09:27
I am ready to read post#2.....   :)
In great detail please telling us why - out of all the options available - you choose a small Danish brand which until recent times was virtually unknown.

Having owned a few pairs of ESL speakers, I am looking for the same type (well...almost similar)  details, resolution, speed and musicality in my replacement. Not being able to hear the cabinet is another + factor.

After my speaker's near death experience about 2 years back, serviceability and reliability also becomes an important criteria.

Heard the C1.1 in HKAV and was completely awed by it. The new design (and internal wirings) makes the C series totally different.

For the rest of the details and updates akan datang in post#2.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: instinct on September 04, 2012, 19:44
the c1.1 speaker stand is indeed gorgeous!! is there any showroom here to try it out?:)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: deaf.eye on September 05, 2012, 14:23
Why just try stands only?
 ;D ;D ;D

Ok, let's drool some more with the links... :P

http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/first-listen-raidho-acoustics-c11-mini-monitor/

http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/roll-over-beethoven/

Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Laughing on September 05, 2012, 14:26

AV Intelligence Pte. is their dealer in SG. give them a call

the c1.1 speaker stand is indeed gorgeous!! is there any showroom here to try it out?:)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on September 13, 2012, 12:51
The Raidho C1.1 (http://news.cnet.com/2300-13645_3-10013522-4.html) hailed as one of the world's highest-resolution loudspeakers has been considered as one of the world's most beautiful audio products by CNET!

edit: another case where the reviewer/writer doesn't know what is he reviewing. Linked picture is for C1.0 not C1.1.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: pink panda on September 26, 2012, 12:48
Alan Sircom of HiFi plus (Sept 2012 issue) said this about Raidho c1.1 ".... this (the c1.1) is remarkable.  It ranks among the finest standmount loudspeakers money can buy".

J Valin (absolute Sound) and R Gregory (Audiobeat) also rate them very highly.

I have not heard them myself but to call them among the finest standmount loudspeakers money can buy ? Is it just hype or is it true ? Maybe those who have auditioned the c1.1 can comment.   
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: hotbird on September 26, 2012, 13:01
Alan Sircom of HiFi plus (Sept 2012 issue) said this about Raidho c1.1 ".... this (the c1.1) is remarkable.  It ranks among the finest standmount loudspeakers money can buy".
J Valin (absolute Sound) and R Gregory (Audiobeat) also rate them very highly.
I have not heard them myself but to call them among the finest standmount loudspeakers money can buy ? Is it just hype or is it true ? Maybe those who have auditioned the c1.1 can comment.   

With regards to Roy Gregory, please note his buisness bias
http://www.avguide.com/forums/roy-gregory-new-vp-marketing-nordost

Quote
I cannot see roy’s buddies in the magazine or in the sector not giving/receiving little favors and that’s not nice however you look at it. May be, nordost can even quote roy, their own head of marketing, in their ads in hi-fi+, next to roy’s column in the same magazine. What a wonderful world.

And newcomer Pink Panda can also refer to Pink Fish
http://www.pinkfishmedia.net/forum/showthread.php?t=63566

as well as this Stereophile discussion for the common views on this matter
http://www.stereophile.com/content/roy-gregory-steps-down-hifi-and-nordost-shilling-work-nordost-1

And Raidho and Nordost are very very closely linked and so is hifi-plus and gregory
 ;D ;D ;D

With regards to Jonathan Valin,  check out
Critic's Corner: Re: I realize that Valin is a fiction writer of some note by Charles Hansen (http://db.audioasylum.com/cgi/m.mpl?forum=critics&n=30183)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: pink panda on September 27, 2012, 17:44

Very enlightening .....I suppose we have to take audio reviews with a pinch (or bucketful ??) of salt.

To be fair J Valin did list down a several "negatives" for the c1.1 in his review but concluded with an enthusiastic recommendation. So he did come across as being quite objective. 

Anyone listen to both  the c1.1 and Magico Q 1 already ?  Would like to hear your views.           
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: AndrewC on September 28, 2012, 00:22
With regards to Roy Gregory, please note his buisness bias
http://www.avguide.com/forums/roy-gregory-new-vp-marketing-nordost
...

Correction. Roy (http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/roy-gregory/48/687/55b) no longer works for Nordost… he left (or was booted) in February 2011 (almost a year prior to his Audiobeat review of the Raidho).
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: hotbird on September 28, 2012, 08:09
Correction. Roy (http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/roy-gregory/48/687/55b) no longer works for Nordost… he left (or was booted) in February 2011 (almost a year prior to his Audiobeat review of the Raidho).

Something not right if he left Nordost in Feb 2011, then why is he still promoting Nordost with Lars at the RMAF 2011 held in Oct last year.
Quote
The Nordost room sounded exceptional as always, but then again, those of you familiar with my column already know that I’m a huge fan of their cables and products. Lars Kristensen and Roy Gregory  were constantly showing the differences their audio magic can make by spreading the Nordost gospel. They are always on-point in their presentations and work very hard to keep people engaged during their demonstrations
extracted from
Sonic Satori - T.G.I.RMAF, Our Rocky Mountain Audio Fest 2011 Adventure (http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue57/rmaf.htm)

It could only means there is still some form of commercial ties with Nordost  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: hotbird on September 28, 2012, 08:17
Very enlightening .....I suppose we have to take audio reviews with a pinch (or bucketful ??) of salt.

I just listen to the grapevine... :)
Lots of criticisms of reviewers in Audioasylum Critics Corner (http://www.audioasylum.com/cgi/etv.mpl?forum=critics) if you want to find out more about the biz of audio reviews :)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: AndrewC on September 28, 2012, 09:43
Something not right if he left Nordost in Feb 2011, then why is he still promoting Nordost with Lars at the RMAF 2011 held in Oct last year.extracted from
Sonic Satori - T.G.I.RMAF, Our Rocky Mountain Audio Fest 2011 Adventure (http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue57/rmaf.htm)

It could only means there is still some form of commercial ties with Nordost  ;D ;D ;D

Ahh... typicaly SHODDY PFO reporting as usual... Here's what really went on;

The Audio Beat sponsored Seminar @ RMAF 2011  (http://www.theaudiobeat.com/rmaf2011/rmaf2011_seminar.htm)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: deaf.eye on October 07, 2012, 12:19
Heard both the Raidho C1.1 and C3.1 at AV Intelligence.

Very good integration of the drivers.
Very expansive soundstage where the size of instruments are proportionate to each other in the sound scape.  It spreads with very nice details and nuances coming from the sound stage.
Well engineered and refined sounding speakers.

Overall, they give me the feeling of refined paintwork on enamel than broad strokes of acrylic paintings.  Will need very very high quality amp to show its true colours and level of refinement.  :)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: hmvc on October 07, 2012, 18:42
Perhaps c1.1 for another room in future. Will go n listen 1 of these days.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: pink panda on October 08, 2012, 13:31
Nobody out there has heard both the Magico Q 1 and the C1.1 ?

Would be interested in your impressions. 
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on October 13, 2012, 13:32
Been waiting 6 weeks for post #2................... ::)

Must be the rare and very exclusive C-2.1 then.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: durianlover88 on October 13, 2012, 13:48
Think post 2 is for posting the raidho delivery pictures
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: virtueblue on October 27, 2012, 22:46
Nobody out there has heard both the Magico Q 1 and the C1.1 ?

Would be interested in your impressions.

I have just auditioned both the c1.1 as well as the Q1. Both has it's own pros and cons but my preference goes towards the c1.1

The Magico Q1 can literally disappear, in the sense that the speakers box cannot be felt when I'm listening. The build is very solid too.

For c1.1, the music is very expansive or I call it grand that will fill the whole room. Although the bass can't go deep, it can be strong. The soundstage is very wide and the imaging is very pin point. The high, mid and low are well separated and it's not muddled.

Prices are very wide apart as well with c1.1 to be much cheaper.

My own perceptions for these 2 speakers.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on November 03, 2012, 08:53
C1.1 in action during this week's tokyo show.

(http://www.my-hiend.com/leoyeh/2012c/IMG_1853gg.jpg)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Quest on November 03, 2012, 09:06
interesting.. raidho with chord set up..

virtueblue, i think most speakers can achieve the grand expansive sound when bottlenecks are cleared. though of course better speakers will make the boundaries wider..

whether the speaker box disappears or not usually has to do with how you set up in your room.
not sure if you heard sky audio's small set up yesterday at the hifi show with the <$1k tiny bookshelf, as a good example of this.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: pink panda on November 05, 2012, 17:58
I have just auditioned both the c1.1 as well as the Q1. Both has it's own pros and cons but my preference goes towards the c1.1

The Magico Q1 can literally disappear, in the sense that the speakers box cannot be felt when I'm listening. The build is very solid too.

For c1.1, the music is very expansive or I call it grand that will fill the whole room. Although the bass can't go deep, it can be strong. The soundstage is very wide and the imaging is very pin point. The high, mid and low are well separated and it's not muddled.

Prices are very wide apart as well with c1.1 to be much cheaper.

My own perceptions for these 2 speakers.

Thanks virtue blue,

Any significant differences between these 2 in terms of transparency, detail, midrange warmth/liquidity, speed ? 

If both were priced the same, would you still consider c1.1 as being your preferred speaker ?
 
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: virtueblue on November 06, 2012, 22:30
@Quest, yes I heard Sky Audio's ALR Jordon small speaker set up and I must say it was very well set up. Although I think it's a benefit if you can achieve very wide soundstage, to me it's not the only thing I'm looking out for.

I'm looking more into neutrality, transparency as well as dynamics and details which to me, c1.1 has an edge over the Q1.

In terms of midrange, I feel that Q1 is a bit more laid back especially in terms of vocal. As for speed they are relatively fast. On the c1.1 I clearly hear the difference when it was switched from 1 amplifier to another.

Hopefully I did answer your question, @bro pink panda.

And yes I will still prefer the c1.1 even if they are priced the same.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: pink panda on November 12, 2012, 18:19
Thanks bro virtueblue,

That's a high recommendation for the  c1.1  esp with Q1 costing a few grand more  !   
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: virtueblue on November 12, 2012, 21:45
Well I'll say that different people have different taste and preferences. I like the Lenehan Audio ML2 Reference as well and that is a pair of speakers that I'll give very high points as well.

Probably these 2 pair of speakers are the best at their price point. At least to my limited knowledge of bookshelf speakers in the market.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on November 23, 2012, 10:54
A warm & heartily welcome to Lars Kristensen to Singapore!

It was great to meet you and your talks & demos of the wonders of the forthcoming new products.

Thumbs up to AVI for organising the session.

Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on November 26, 2012, 12:38
New diamond series coming next year.

More information akan datang.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on December 04, 2012, 11:30
Review for Raidho C4.1 (http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/raidho-c-41-pt-ii/)

(http://tas.zeitpress.com/resizer/articles/images/jv_raidho_4.1.jpg/?size=648,460)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: westendboy on December 04, 2012, 11:49
Wow this one looks like the mean tentacles of an octopus  :o Sorry, I just saw Oldboy again a few days ago. I am very sure it sounds awesome
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on December 04, 2012, 14:42
Interesting comments from Jonathan Valin about the C-1.1 and C-4.1.

Seems Magico is no longer his reference and the Q5's have been sent home....
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on December 12, 2012, 18:30
Ho ho ho... Santa is here for a few raidho bros.

Peektures to be posted soon.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Doggie Howser on December 12, 2012, 18:34
Maybe when I get to go back, shd be nicely run in liao :D
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Doggie Howser on December 12, 2012, 21:35
Still looks like tango to me :)

Lars is the designer of Raidho?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 5th Avenue on December 13, 2012, 21:18
If lucky, Christmas present.
If not, then CNY present.

My Bday present, haven't run in yet.

No wonder you asked me to return your power cord... ;)

Too busy..will drop by this sat
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on December 16, 2012, 14:22
Ho ho ho... Santa is here for a few raidho bros.

Peektures to be posted soon.



Santa has indeed arrived.....

And look what he bought me!

(http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af12/notrace_photo/1Arriveintriplelayercarton_zps075b7fc1.jpg)

Yes, thats right - a white box.   Well a triple layer carton to be more precise - with the name of Santa's official helper a certain Oey Suryadi Prasetyo.  And yes, the fact that this is carton 8 of 9 accurately suggests that Santas visiting other bros as well.   Congratulations James and XXXXXXX.   XXXXXXX asked me not to name him because his wife has loaded Xtremeplace into her favorites tab to keep an eye on him  >:(

Perhaps less obvious is the serial number which gives away that this is the second (or perhaps third) pair of Raidho Acoustic D-2 loudspeakers to ship globally.   Singapore residents are early adoptors no?

Oh yes, that white box is a touch heavy -- 50KG heavy (per speaker).   Thats promising.  Speakers you can spin on your little finger are crap.


(http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af12/notrace_photo/7RaidhoD2fromlisteningchair_zps86427ae9.jpg)

In place for the required 250 hours of burn in.   :o   

Physicially the speakers look identical to the current C series with the main cosmetic difference being the color of the mid/bass drivers which has changed from white to grey.

The new D series features Raidhos latest thoughts on driver and cross-over design.   More later. 









 
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: jimi on December 16, 2012, 15:18
Wow! Congrats.

Looks like more of a room treatment challenge than the last one!
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on December 16, 2012, 15:34
XXXXXXX send his congratulations for your purchase of such fine, and probably the world's best, pair of speakers  ;D

Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Giraffe on December 16, 2012, 15:49
congrats @1AM
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on December 16, 2012, 16:11
Thanks all!

Some more peektures......


(http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af12/notrace_photo/3Awaitingbase_zpsafd10f3b.jpg)

Preparing to install the base.


(http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af12/notrace_photo/4Basebeingboltedon_zps7fb6dd0f-1_zps0ea322f9.jpg)

The base.  Another Lars Kristensen creation - like inverted Sort Kones.   No spikes here!


(http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af12/notrace_photo/6Onlyonewaytoconnectup_zpse7a2f66e.jpg)

Since the Raidho D-2 features Nordost internal cabling (Odin and Valhalla) it makes sense to use speaker cables of the same brand - at least for now.  Seen here connected with Norse jumpers.



Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: ilovepanerai on December 16, 2012, 16:18
Congrats on the early Christmas present... SOTA speaker...

Even the website has not been updated with the D series and owners here already received theirs!!

That says a lot about the seriousness in the hifi owners here.

For a start, must be hearing more bottom Hz details compared to the C1s?

Enjoy the music....

Cheers
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on December 16, 2012, 17:30
Congrats on the early Christmas present... SOTA speaker...

Even the website has not been updated with the D series and owners here already received theirs!!

That says a lot about the seriousness in the hifi owners here.

For a start, must be hearing more bottom Hz details compared to the C1s?

Enjoy the music....

Cheers


Thanks!   Yes, SOTA it truly is.   Citing Michael Borresen, the designer, discussing the diamond coated woofers which the Raidho D-Series use "Raidho has for quite many years been working with cones from Aluminium oxide, as that is one of the hardest and stiffest materials placed at a 9 on the Mohrs scale for hardness. We wanted a stiff material as to move the membrane resonances up and away from the pass-band. the ceramic cone from the C.1.1 has a first fundamental at app 12.5 KHz..(app 3dB peak) and we use the driver below app 3KHz where we cross it over with a 2.order roll-off .  This is already in absolute terms an incredible performance... Then why look further...?? I guess That just the way we are, seeking and wondering what if...... Diamond is just a 10 on Morhs scale.. from nine to ten is not a big number, but in real-life values that one digit translates into a material that is 140 times harder than the ceramic we currently using... That mowed the resonance peak up where we cannot measure."

So, a speaker cone where membrane resonance is outside the audible band?   That's a world first.   What that means to the listening experience I will detail later.

But there's more....

Many Bros here have heard SparKz coil technology (Ansuz) and what that means to a HiFi system.  Well, the D-Series Raidho use SparKz coil technology inside the speakers.   :)


The D-Series is being officially launched at CES 2013 (next month).   There will be three models available D-1, D-2 and D-3, all of which have the same physical stature at the current .1 series.    The .1 series will remain current and as bros would have read from consistently glowing reviews the .1 series is outstanding.   The D-series has a list price of 50% more than C-series.



Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: deaf.eye on December 16, 2012, 18:21
Hi,

Ribbon: D same as C?
Woofer: D is diamond coated, C is ceramic coated.
Cabinet: D same as C?
Crossover: D same as C?

Enjoy and have fun!!!
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: francis wu on December 16, 2012, 18:40
Congrats and happy happy Christmas listening! ;D
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on December 16, 2012, 19:02
Congrats and happy happy Christmas listening! ;D
Congrats 1AM!


Many thanks guys!

Hi,

Ribbon: D same as C?
Woofer: D is diamond coated, C is ceramic coated.
Cabinet: D same as C?
Crossover: D same as C?

Enjoy and have fun!!!

Yes.  Same as .1 series
Yes.  Though more strictly D is for diamond coating on top of the ceramic layer
Yes.
No.   Brand new cross-over board featuring Raidhos own capacitors and coils and including sparKz coil technology
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: jimi on December 16, 2012, 19:21
How is Ansuz connected with Raidho?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: kzone on December 16, 2012, 19:42
Some said the Raidho Lars is the Ansuz Lars but iirc I heard the Raidho Lars referring to Ansuz as "the guys next door"..

Congrats 1AM on deciding to go with the D version!
Btw, how long are ur SC?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: AndrewC on December 16, 2012, 20:54
Congrats on your new speakers, they look great :-)


..... Diamond is just a 10 on Morhs scale.. from nine to ten is not a big number, but in real-life values that one digit translates into a material that is 140 times harder than the ceramic we currently using... That mowed the resonance peak up where we cannot measure."

So, a speaker cone where membrane resonance is outside the audible band?   That's a world first.   What that means to the listening experience I will detail later.

...

If they meant diamond-coned mid-range drivers, they're not quite the first really... Accuton's been building them for a couple of years (including diamond Tweeter drivers). Unless Raidho meant some process of building those diamond cones which might be unique… Otherwise speaker manufacturers like B&W, Marten Design, Kharma, Usher, and newer speaker designers like Estelon have been using OEMed or in-house diamond drivers for a while now.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on December 16, 2012, 21:07
[...]

Congrats 1AM on deciding to go with the D version!
Btw, how long are ur SC?

Thanks very much kzone.

My speaker cables are approx 8 meters long excluding the Nordost Norse Jumpers.  Long I know but Nordost has some special lengths and I dislike having my equipment rack between my two loudspeakers.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on December 16, 2012, 21:20
Congrats on your new speakers, they look great :-)


If they meant diamond-coned mid-range drivers, they're not quite the first really... Accuton's been building them for a couple of years (including diamond Tweeter drivers). Unless Raidho meant some process of building those diamond cones which might be unique… Otherwise speaker manufacturers like B&W, Marten Design, Kharma, Usher, and newer speaker designers like Estelon have been using OEMed or in-house diamond drivers for a while now.

Hello AndrewC.   Interesting.  Thanks.  I was not aware of other manufacturers using diamond for bass woofers?   Certainly a couple of manufacturers have diamond cone tweeters.  In any case, something is unique about the process because patents have been filed.  Precisely what though - I can't say.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Giraffe on December 17, 2012, 10:06
Giraffe-Signature takes this oportunity to announce we are the Distributor for Ansuz in the following countries;
Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand, Vietnam and Indonesia.

Giraffe-Signature is not the agent for Raidho.
Please order your Raidho from AV Intelligence.

The really SOTA items from Ansuz are cables.

Powercord: Mainz D 1.0m is USD$10,000.00 MSRP
Interconnect: Signalz D 1.0m USD$14,000.00 MSRP
Speaker Cable : Speakerz D 2.0m USD$16,000.00 MSRP
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Quest on December 17, 2012, 10:06
Hello AndrewC.   Interesting.  Thanks.  I was not aware of other manufacturers using diamond for bass woofers?   Certainly a couple of manufacturers have diamond cone tweeters.  In any case, something is unique about the process because patents have been filed.  Precisely what though - I can't say.
The first I heard of diamond mid-range woofers was in 2005/2006 time from swedish statement, from Accuton.. granted though at the time it was only a 50mm mid-range unit. I would think they would have refined it further by now.
http://www.swedishstatement.com/6_prod_marten.htm
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on December 17, 2012, 10:40
The first I heard of diamond mid-range woofers was in 2005/2006 time from swedish statement, from Accuton.. granted though at the time it was only a 50mm mid-range unit. I would think they would have refined it further by now.
http://www.swedishstatement.com/6_prod_marten.htm

OK, but a mid-range speaker is not a woofer.   Woofers bark at 40Hz  :)

If i am not wrong Marten (Accuton) are using ceramic woofers to this day.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Quest on December 17, 2012, 10:44
OK, but a mid-range speaker is not a woofer.   If i am not wrong Marten (Accuton) are using ceramic woofers to this day.
I always thought 'woofer' just meant loudspeaker drivers, and not defined as something that only produce lower frequency or exceed a certain size.
In this instance, satellites and small bookshelves with small drivers are defined as not having any woofers at all?

Anyway, not raising a debate, just pointing out on what other brands had done before.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: jimi on December 17, 2012, 13:31
Yeah, for me a woofer is anything but a tweeter, although usually it refers to a bass woofer.
Title: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Doggie Howser on December 17, 2012, 13:40
The generic term is a driver which includes tweeter and woofers.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: watchdog on December 17, 2012, 13:48
Depends on what frequency it is run at. You can run a 6 inch at mid-bass to midrange or to handle everything from lowbass to midrange.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: AndrewC on December 17, 2012, 19:14
...I was not aware of other manufacturers using diamond for bass woofers?...

If Raidho's using diamond cones for bass woofers, it'd be a first I think... (Tweeter & Mid-range done before, but bass woofers, not that I know of)!

What're the dimension of these diamond cones? Can't be easy (nor cheap) to make them with current cvd methods... could be a new patented technique from Raidho? Do they make their own drivers, or OEM'ed?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on December 17, 2012, 19:40
AFAIK Raidho's method of coating the ceramic driver with the diamond coating is proprietary. Whether is it world's first. That's a seperate discussion

Accuton Ceramic drivers have been around for a long time and are very good. But do note that the mid range between Accuton and Raidho are different. Accuton's have 2 dots at the two sides of the mid to control the resonance whereas Raidho doesn't.

Raidho uses the same ceramix drivers for mid and low.

Raidho
(http://jlvalin.zenfolio.com/img/s2/v61/p976927911-2.jpg) (http://jlvalin.zenfolio.com/p897666072/e3a3abca7)

(http://jlvalin.zenfolio.com/img/s2/v60/p417707259-2.jpg) (http://jlvalin.zenfolio.com/p897666072/e18e5b4fb)

Accuton
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSyKzHjixu56YsJVaoBzfwm03q2eUYyoi79V_SNKwLaSPIyzXoNHA)

(http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/images/products/c173-6-191e.jpg)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: joamonte on December 17, 2012, 21:18
WOW nice, Congrats Bro 1AM..... and I remember last time you said that small speaker is enough for you??  ;)

Next I guess is to upgrade the power amp.... ;D

Have fun with your new toy bro! remember to invite me when it is ready to listen...... :)

Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on December 17, 2012, 22:27
WOW nice, Congrats Bro 1AM..... and I remember last time you said that small speaker is enough for you??  ;)


LoL.  Small speaker is indeed enough for me.  Raidho D2 still small bro.  Only 4.5 inch woofer.   Perfect for small listening room.    ;D



Have fun with your new toy bro! remember to invite me when it is ready to listen...... :)


Of course you will be invited.   You are a shareholder in the system.  I look around the room and see Joamonte everywhere   :)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: AndrewC on December 18, 2012, 07:22
...Do they make their own drivers, or OEM'ed?

Found the answer on Audiobeat's review of the C1.1 (http://www.raidho.dk/uploads/RaidhoC11_audiobeat.pdf)...

Quote
Let’s start with the cone as an example. Rather than relying on an existing part or material, they set out to develop their own... An innovative production process was employed to create what Raidho refer to as a “deep ceramic coated” cone for the bass driver. ... The Raidho driver adopts a different approach: 100-micron ceramic “skins” being formed on the surface of a thin aluminum structure, leaving a metal core.

So, ceramic/aluminum sandwich (as opposed to Accuton's pure ceramic with cut-outs).

I'm guessing they're doing something very similar for the new diamond woofer cone (with diamond cvd on an aluminum substrate)...
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on December 23, 2012, 12:49
[...]

I'm guessing they're doing something very similar for the new diamond woofer cone (with diamond cvd on an aluminum substrate)...

More information in the below Press Release


Release at CES 2013.

Cutting the Diamond

Raidho has for the last 6 years been working with cones from Aluminum-oxide, as that is one of the hardest and stiffest materials, placed at a 9 on the Mohrs scale for hardness. We wanted a stiff material as to move the membrane resonances up and away from the pass-band. The ceramic cone from the C.1.1 has a first fundamental at app 12.5 KHz..(app 3dB peak) and we use the driver below app 3KHz where we cross it over with a 2.order roll-off . This is already in absolute terms an incredible performance...

Then why look further...?? I guess that is just the way we are, seeking and wondering what if...... Diamond is just a 10 on Morhs scale.. From nine to ten is not a big number, but in real-life values that one digit translates into a material that is 140 times harder than the ceramic we currently using... That mowed the resonance peak up where we cannot measure. Does it matter.... Oh yes it does... Is it Costly... Dont ask...

What is Diamond, and why bother.

Diamond is carbon locked in the tightest possible configuration. Natural Diamond is rare and formed under extreme pressure deep deep down under the ground. Pure diamond is pure crystalline bonded in an SP3 triangular structure, it’s totally glasslike transparent. (some say even liked by woman).

Industrial diamond is formed by a number of different industrialized processes where carbon atoms are forced so close together, (by pressure or by speed) that they can form the hard triangular Diamond SP3 bonds.

At Raidho we work with a process where the pressure to form the Diamond Bonds is created by building the needed pressure is formed by speed where our ceramic membranes are bombarded by carbon ions at speeds close to light. I our process we can reach around 50% SP3 bonds in the 10 um thick layer we build on top of the ceramic surface we have on our membranes. The rest of the material is SP2 bonded carbon “Graphite”

We have found that the 50% shearing between SP2 and SP3 is the optimum point for the process ability, the bonding and the improvement in stiffness ratio.

We could process the surface layer into more dense structures with more SP3, and less SP2 but then we would have to reduce the layer thickness and thus get less of the improved stiffness we are searching for. The balance is the internal stresses created in the diamond forming process. If stresses are too high the result becomes brittle and breaks the bonding to the substrate. With just an increase to 60% we would have to reduce the thickness to 1/5 and thus loose most of the stiffness gain. The Graphite Content makes the Diamond Layer Black(ish) in finish

With the Layer we have we are capable of improving the Stiffness of the cone so much that we push the first fundamental resonance outside the 20 KHz pass band we normally associate with HiFI, this means that the resonance peek (which by the way is “only” 3 dB) is damped more than 36dB by the crossover and is also pushed so far out that the energy content is the music signal is vanishing low. With Diamond membranes we remove this last bit of material coloration emerging from inner material vibrations in the Cone.

While the C series already set a solid mark for resolution and naturalness, the D-series just takes you that one step closer. To be Honest I was astound by the fact that something you can’t even measure on the finished speaker could make such a profound difference. It’s a totally new Ballgame, moving the target for the natural being there to a completely new level."
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: AndrewC on December 24, 2012, 06:20
More information in the below Press Release
...


Very interesting! Thanks for the post.

So they build the diamond layer on a ceramic substrate… whereas others build it on a metallic or silicon substrate… In the case of B&W, they eventually remove the substrate leaving a pure diamond cone membrane (patented design). I believe Accuton does the same. But doesn't seem to be the case with Raidho… perhaps because it's a larger cone it needs the substrate intact for some reason?

...
At Raidho we work with a process where the pressure to form the Diamond Bonds is created by building the needed pressure is formed by speed where our ceramic membranes are bombarded by carbon ions at speeds close to light. I our process we can reach around 50% SP3 bonds in the 10 um thick layer we build on top of the ceramic surface we have on our membranes. The rest of the material is SP2 bonded carbon “Graphite”... The Graphite Content makes the Diamond Layer Black(ish) in finish
...

Hmmm… Seems to be carefully worded to avoid the term Chemical Vapour Deposition (CVD - which is the process by which industrial diamond coating gets done today), but it sure sounds the same from the description above; substrate bombarded by carbon-molecule containing plasma  activated at high-speed. The use of graphite material is not unique either, I think thats how Accuton makes their "black diamond" tweeters as well (as used on Kharmas, Tidals, and others).

All in all, very interesting, though I'm guessing what Raidho have filed patent(s) for is probably a combination of the material composition and physical design aspects rather than the process.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on December 26, 2012, 10:08
1AM's peetures tio raped like L4N! Better put watermarks before some reviewer took it and say it's theirs!

http://cybwiz.blogspot.sg/2012/12/raidho-diamond-d-2.html (http://cybwiz.blogspot.sg/2012/12/raidho-diamond-d-2.html)

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-MsxhYT8P6S8/UNTKEMQKZAI/AAAAAAAALvM/SifCYDmVO1Q/s400/d-21.jpg)

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3z1Dew1uKtM/UNTKIqb8uTI/AAAAAAAALvU/UbqBLlFSbnY/s400/d-22.jpg)

Prices for D-2 and D-3

White or Black - $43500 (D2) /$66000 (D3)
Walnut Burl - $48000 (D2) /$73500 (D3)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on December 26, 2012, 16:27
1AM's peetures tio raped like L4N! Better put watermarks before some reviewer took it and say it's theirs!



LoL.  Just like L4N - no permission requested....   
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on December 28, 2012, 16:29
Ho ho ho! Monsters are in the house!

(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u528/bigtree_huat-huat/20121228_160836_zps3066cde3.jpg)

Special thanks to my c-fu who adjusted my footers to DAA so that all the components are able to benefit from the diamond footers, c-hing for coming by with the ASI xlr, Ah Oey for delivering the speakers at such short notice, and uncle steed for fabricating the tweeter & driver cover at such short notice also.

My c-hing only utter one word throughout the whole session.....

WoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooaaaaAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhHHHHHhhhh~

More peektures to come. But for now it's cleanup time! Hope wifey dun notice the change.  :-X
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: kzone on December 28, 2012, 16:51
my goodness! Fantastic equipments u have there, very likely the only emm/asi/raidho setup in Singapore or even the world ! (for now?) Congrats bro! So only the bergmann left to join the party?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: francis wu on December 28, 2012, 16:56
Wow, easily 20 lots of Kep Corp! ;D
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on December 28, 2012, 16:56
my goodness! Fantastic equipments u have there, very likely the only emm/asi/raidho setup in Singapore or even the world ! (for now?) Congrats bro! So only the bergmann left to join the party?

Thank you for your kind words. Santa say I bad boy this year. Hoot too many Cai Qin SACDs and never leave anything behind for other bros.

Anyway, there is another one or two more same same but eben more tok kong setup....

Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: durianlover88 on December 28, 2012, 17:35
Wow, easily 20 lots of Kep Corp! ;D
Broler ah, if you count carefully, more than 20 lots of keppel corp there ah...broler B3 better lock your door properly ah!!
GongHeiGongHei ah!!!

WwwwwwwwwwooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: meatballz on December 28, 2012, 18:02
 I think you can eat many years of durians.:)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on December 28, 2012, 18:37
Ho ho ho! Monsters are in the house!


Wow!

You certainly have patience bro.  It was William Shakespare that wrote "How poor are they that have not patience! What wound did ever heal but by degrees?"

You certainly waited a long time for this day.

Congratulations.   Awesome equipment.

Though it seems your patience didn't quite stretch to include the photography....   :) 

Title: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: journey on December 28, 2012, 19:17
Ho ho ho! Monsters are in the house!

Nice! Congratulations, looks like a fantastic setup!
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: durianlover88 on December 28, 2012, 20:22
This raidho beast really needs lots of juice..luckily the amp more than sufficient to drive it to max potential :)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: hmvc on December 28, 2012, 20:49
Congrats bro.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on December 28, 2012, 21:18
1AM's peetures tio raped like L4N! Better put watermarks before some reviewer took it and say it's theirs!



And again!   This time a Chinese site(s).  Must be the attracive photography!   :)

Guess you were right about watermarking........

 http://www.itavcn.com/news/201212/20121225/31768.shtml

http://www.21hifi.com/newshifi/20121224/02.htm
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 5th Avenue on December 28, 2012, 21:23
Bro B3 ho hoi sum.... ;D

This going to stay in your house for a very long time...Enjoy your toys
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on December 28, 2012, 21:25

The Raidho D-Series (Diamond Technology) whitepaper / brochure

http://www.raidho.dk/uploads/RaidhoDiamond(2).pdf

Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: ilovepanerai on December 28, 2012, 23:19
Ho ho ho! Monsters are in the house!

Special thanks to my c-fu who adjusted my footers to DAA so that all the components are able to benefit from the diamond footers, c-hing for coming by with the ASI xlr, Ah Oey for delivering the speakers at such short notice, and uncle steed for fabricating the tweeter & driver cover at such short notice also.

My c-hing only utter one word throughout the whole session.....

WoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooaaaaAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhHHHHHhhhh~

More peektures to come. But for now it's cleanup time! Hope wifey dun notice the change.  :-X

Congrats congrats....what a way to end 2012.

Time for days of run in.

Is that the 3.1 D series?

Enjoy....

Cheers
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on December 28, 2012, 23:40
LoL.  Just like L4N - no permission requested....   

Congrats on your new toy! Pls save a seat for me after it is run-in :)

p.s. nowadays my photos always carry the copyright mark :)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on December 29, 2012, 00:08
1AM, I think it's getting more popular! At this pace it will probably hit Jan 2013's issue of stereophile or absolute sound.

Russian
http://high-end-news.blogspot.sg/2012/12/ces-2013-raidho-diamond.html

China
http://www.audio160.com/news/2012/12/2012_1_19994.htm
http://ht.zol.com.cn/344/3444710.html

Taiwan
http://www.my-hiend.com/vbb/showthread.php?919-%E9%96%93%E8%AB%9C%E7%85%A7%E5%B0%88%E5%8D%80&p=189189#post189189
Title: Re: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on December 29, 2012, 10:28
Congrats congrats....what a way to end 2012.

Time for days of run in.

Is that the 3.1 D series?

Enjoy....

Cheers

These are the C3.1. D3 is way out of my budget which cost 50% more. After playing for one nite, I find that the C3.1 need a lot of power to drive it efficiently. I suspect D3 may be harder...  need to upgrade to mono blocks.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Luv4nature on December 29, 2012, 10:48
These are the C3.1. D3 is way out of my budget which cost 50% more. After playing for one nite, I find that the C3.1 need a lot of power to drive it efficiently. I suspect D3 may be harder...  need to upgrade to mono blocks.


Bigtree, cool new C3.1!

How's it driven by the ASI amp as compared with the D premier?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on December 29, 2012, 17:49
Bigtree, cool new C3.1!

How's it driven by the ASI amp as compared with the D premier?

Actually they are different beasts. Single Devialet can do the job. But to drive it efficiently, one need to have to be on dual mono. The new firmware update brings 500W to the dual mono from the previous 400W.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: jimi on December 29, 2012, 18:10
Congrats Francis!

I can see why you stopped at the 3.1 the next one up is a real monster!!

At least you have the front end to make the full use of these superb speakers
Title: Re: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 5th Avenue on December 29, 2012, 18:47
These are the C3.1. D3 is way out of my budget which cost 50% more. After playing for one nite, I find that the C3.1 need a lot of power to drive it efficiently. I suspect D3 may be harder...  need to upgrade to mono blocks.

Bro...

U mean the grand stereo still not enuff oomph.... :o
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on December 29, 2012, 19:47
U mean the grand stereo still not enuff oomph.... :o

Wat I meant was if buy D3 and above. Grand Mono is required. Grand Stereo is suffice for C3.1

Come listen ah~

After one nite of playing, I don't need to crank up the volume as much as on the first day. Guess it will get better once the 250 hours is hit.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on December 30, 2012, 08:19
Actually they are different beasts. Single Devialet can do the job. But to drive it efficiently, one need to have to be on dual mono. The new firmware update brings 500W to the dual mono from the previous 400W.


It is interesting to observe that we are all using high powered amps to drive the Raidhos.

James = Devialet = 240 watts
1AM = Sanders Magtech = 500 watts
BT = ASI Grand = 650 watts

Makes you wonder about Raidho's >50 watt amplifier power recommendation.........
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: jimi on December 30, 2012, 08:33
It is interesting to observe that we are all using high powered amps to drive the Raidhos.

James = Devialet = 240 watts
1AM = Sanders Magtech = 500 watts
BT = ASI Grand = 650 watts

Makes you wonder about Raidho's >50 watt amplifier power recommendation.........


Just makes me wonder about hi end audiophiles :)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on December 30, 2012, 09:02

Just makes me wonder about hi end audiophiles :)

Indeed!     :)

A very odd subset of the community

Some are deaf

Some need psychological help

Some murmur mystical words and chants

Some hide massive Emotiva's under the bed    ;D
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: jimi on December 30, 2012, 14:28
Ha ha! Emotivas are more grunt than finesse. Hi power, but hardly hi end :D


Missed my chance to listen to your old bookshelves. Will allow your new spkrs to run in before trying to squeeze u for a quick visit ;D
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on December 31, 2012, 09:46
Indeed!     :)

A very odd subset of the community

Some are deaf

Some need psychological help

Some murmur mystical words and chants

Some hide massive Emotiva's under the bed    ;D

(http://www.insidefacebook.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/facebook_like_button_big.jpeg)

I add in one : Some put a paper bag over their head.

Now I need to guess who's who. ;D
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 5th Avenue on December 31, 2012, 10:30
Wat I meant was if buy D3 and above. Grand Mono is required. Grand Stereo is suffice for C3.1

Come listen ah~

After one nite of playing, I don't need to crank up the volume as much as on the first day. Guess it will get better once the 250 hours is hit.

After 200hrs then drop by lah...reserve a seat for me... ;)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: mars73 on December 31, 2012, 10:35
After 200hrs then drop by lah...reserve a seat for me... ;)

Me too! Never heard a raidho before :)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on December 31, 2012, 11:08
I sacrificed 2 sets of DDAA footers for the ASI pre&power supply and placed it under the speakers.

WoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

siao liao!
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: virtueblue on December 31, 2012, 11:26
Bro B3, please reserve a seat for me as well!
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on December 31, 2012, 11:45
I sacrificed 2 sets of DDAA footers for the ASI pre&power supply and placed it under the speakers.

siao liao!

Do you have a photo?   What is the gain experienced?   Footers supplied for Raidho's already Lars special - kind of like inverted Nordost Sort Cones.

Raidho hate the spikes which most speaker manufacturers dish up.  They don't want to resist physical movement.

Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Quest on December 31, 2012, 11:49
Yes please share pictures. :)
DDDDD for speakers sounds very tempting.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: jimi on December 31, 2012, 12:30
Emotiva can be good sounding. I just heard a good sounding Emotiva Pre and Power yesterday.
Advised the owner not to upgrade.
Fast, powerful, dark and sweet. Emotiva has it all.
High end sounding.

Dat owner has very good speakers, main reason. His speakers, taller than mine.



Ha ha! Why do you think I've held onto the exact same power amps for so long. The XPA1s are leagues above the ordinary Emotiva stuff which is already pretty good.

I'm glad he likes your ASI power cords, I was very surprised myself how well the XPA1s respond to power cords.

When he gets his new place and more breathing room his system will really shine.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: mars73 on December 31, 2012, 13:26
Ya. Even if the room is not huge or no high ceiling etc, it is important to do room treatment and tuning to bring out the best in any system. IMHO, the best system can only perform at 50% or less if the room is not addressed first.

I have personally experienced how a system costing less than half the price of my preamp alone beats mine in terms of musicality, tone and staging, simply through superior room treatment and tuning, and superior cables. Very humbling. And enlightening.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: meatballz on December 31, 2012, 13:44
you all must buy durians for b3 loooooo ;D
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: kzone on December 31, 2012, 13:48
Reserved for updates.

time to update this with the full setup pic !!
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 5th Avenue on December 31, 2012, 14:20
Honestly speaking....i would not tweak my hardware until I've heard it burn in 'adequately' in my room enviroment. After that stage you at least can decide the 'like' or 'dislike' and tweak accordingly.

This is from my personal exp with my own setup...but that just me... ;D
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on December 31, 2012, 14:56
Honestly speaking....i would not tweak my hardware until I've heard it burn in 'adequately' in my room enviroment. After that stage you at least can decide the 'like' or 'dislike' and tweak accordingly.

This is from my personal exp with my own setup...but that just me... ;D

Wise words indeed.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: durianlover88 on December 31, 2012, 15:28
Forgot to add this to my remark.
His "E' system sounded good because of the tall ceiling.
He's not staying in HDB.

Put B3's new system there, and it will be perfect / wonderful. IMHO.
Always wanted to show Durian, the room is more important than the system.
50% of the music come from the room.
I have been bery scared I cannot manage the 6x6m living room. I put in 7 ASI resonators, have 2 virtual walls, use Spatial HD to manage the room correction. Results are satisfactory so far, and ceiling already max out (by virtue living at the top floor and having higher ceilings). My room configuration almost exactly like B3, so only when seeing the Raidho in action, esp. if placed close to the backwall would have bass boom or not..during the first virgin day did hear some boom, but B3 says things improve liao..
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on December 31, 2012, 17:57
Honestly speaking....i would not tweak my hardware until I've heard it burn in 'adequately' in my room enviroment. After that stage you at least can decide the 'like' or 'dislike' and tweak accordingly.

This is from my personal exp with my own setup...but that just me... ;D

imho the intrinsic quality of sound when a component presents out of the box basically determines how good it is. This is clearly evident in those very expensive components ranging from power cords, amps, power conditioner, CD players that we had AB over the last 4 years. Adding diamond footers compliment one component and bring it to its full potential rather than changing it.

Not burning or running in is just being polite. One man meat is another man's poison.

YMMV.


Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: durianlover88 on December 31, 2012, 18:39
Broler B3, agree ah! Those bery good components, once put in no need run in can already hear liao ah...running in will be better of course..
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Sistar on December 31, 2012, 19:01
Welly confused. Wat abt high end expensive setup with no good room acoustics?  Need run in or no need run in still same same?   ;)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: virtueblue on December 31, 2012, 19:20
I cannot agree more as well. I believe what they meant is if you put in something new, you can immediately hear the difference, be it the better or the worse. If you like means you like it, if you do not like it, even after running in, chances are you will still not like it.

With room treatment and accessories, you will bring out the best of your system. Otherwise a good system before running in, in a reasonable room without treatment, will still not sound atrocious.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: ht.chua on December 31, 2012, 20:43
+2 ha ha........
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on January 01, 2013, 08:54
Reserved for updates.

time to update this with the full setup pic !!

Amen!  We've been waiting since last year....    ;D
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on January 01, 2013, 16:44
Amen!  We've been waiting since last year....    ;D

...post #2 was supposed to be meant to b.itch against some dealer whom I'm still waiting for a call for replacement of parts for my previous pair speakers. It's being 2.5 years. And I'm still waiting...Well, he can also wait if he want to count any of my money HHS.

Anyway, it's the first day of 2013. Live and let live. I will think of something for post #2 when I got more time from not listening to my new speakers.  ;D
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: durianlover88 on January 02, 2013, 08:18
...post #2 was supposed to be meant to b.itch against some dealer whom I'm still waiting for a call for replacement of parts for my previous pair speakers. It's being 2.5 years. And I'm still waiting...Well, he can also wait if he want to count any of my money HHS.

Anyway, it's the first day of 2013. Live and let live. I will think of something for post #2 when I got more time from not listening to my new speakers.  ;D
Broler B3, you mean waiting 2.5 years for your Martin Logan parts replacement?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: style on January 03, 2013, 16:50
Hallo guys,
first mail in this forum....
I had read Riadho and you 're coming!!

I have just reeived the C 3.1 : i'm in Switzerland.

the new D serie (diamond in place of ceramic BUT just trated not "pure" like Tidal ceramic speakers..) is here not available.
I have sell the B&W802DI and the C3.1 purchased for my Passlab combo XP20 & X250.5.

 ;D

thank you all
style
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on January 03, 2013, 18:58
Hallo guys,
first mail in this forum....
I had read Riadho and you 're coming!!

I have just reeived the C 3.1 : i'm in Switzerland.

the new D serie (diamond in place of ceramic BUT just trated not "pure" like Tidal ceramic speakers..) is here not available.
I have sell the B&W802DI and the C3.1 purchased for my Passlab combo XP20 & X250.5.

 ;D

thank you all
style

Welcome!

Congratulations on your purchase of the Raidho 3.1's.   I am sure you will find them a big step up from the B&W 802 Diamonds.

Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: style on January 04, 2013, 16:27
Hallo 1AngMoh,

after one week (well braek in time  ;D is longer)  they are very different!!!

Raidho dont sound angry!!! enjoy - pure pleasure.

Style
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on January 04, 2013, 19:32
[...]

after one week (well braek in time  ;D is longer)  they are very different!



Hello again Style.

What change to the sound have you noted during break in?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: style on January 04, 2013, 20:02
sorry for my english... I have only 25 hr. ca. with the Raidho.....Raidho say braek in time 250 hr!!!!!


long time listen.... before a good sound improvement......
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on January 10, 2013, 09:34
the Raidho D1 in action at CES 2013!

(http://www.my-hiend.com/leoyeh/2013a/IMG_5898qq.jpg)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on January 14, 2013, 20:06
Update:

Crossed 40 hours today on the C3.1 together with c-hing.

Whether if the Raidho hits 250 hours does not matters anymore. Today's session opens up the flood gate. It was raining outside and sup sup inside.

Re-installed 3 RGC-24 (1 to DAC2X and 2 to Pre), 2xREM8 (one to TSDX and one to DAC2X) and ASI XLR. This is in addition to the 4 units of sparkz that I've placed in my digital chain today.

With each installation of the previous tweaks the sound stage opens up, gotten even sweeter and went deeper into the rear wall.

Oso added a set of cold ray footers from Wee to the feets of the raidhos. C-hing commented that he didn't know that so much vibration existed at the foot of the speakers when he was helping me place the coldrays! No wonder wee mentioned that I will definitely need those coldrays! Strangely, the inverted spikes of the Raidhos sits perfectly on the cold rays.

With the cold rays & RGC-24 installed: It's like KepC hitting a dragonfly doji today. All the previous issues with the bass are gone!!!

Strongly recommend the Raidho brolers to try the cold rays (or diamonds darkz) under their speakers. (Note: doesn't need to be CR or darkz. Can use any other spike shoes or footers or your preference).

YMMV. Quality time matters.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: durianlover88 on January 14, 2013, 20:37
Gonghei gonghei ah!!!

Today really hear the potential of c3.1 liao...:)
So all the tweaking does work tremendously!!
Now put close to backwall also no boom dah!!
More to go ah!  Now without the 240x, aural symphonics glass cable and diamond footers already tokgong tokgong liao...the only way to go is Up ah!!!

Congrats once again :)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: style on January 15, 2013, 02:04
Gonghei gonghei ah!!!

Today really hear the potential of c3.1 liao...:)
So all the tweaking does work tremendously!!
Now put close to backwall also no boom dah!!
More to go ah!  Now without the 240x, aural symphonics glass cable and diamond footers already tokgong tokgong liao...the only way to go is Up ah!!!

Congrats once again :)

 :P
Hi,
where is the secret of your setup?

my 3.1 are around 50hr. but is another level from the sound from the B&W802di that I have before....

My preampli muss be ca. 5-7 dB. more high to have the sound "delivered" from the B&W....the HF /midHd are ok, I study to a good position the the best sound with the Raidho.....
what's the 240x sorry?? ::)
how much between the 2 speakers? 8 ft. / 3 meter ? more?
I wait your news!!¨
style

Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on January 15, 2013, 09:08
Correction: it's cold ray spike shoes. Not the footers.

There are 3 available sizes to the CRSS. Correct size need to check with Wee.

(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u528/bigtree_huat-huat/IMG_2236_zps5cf5ff84.jpg)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on January 15, 2013, 09:14

where is the secret of your setup?

what's the 240x sorry?? ::)
how much between the 2 speakers? 8 ft. / 3 meter ? more?


1. No secret. Dedicated lines; ASI loom and ground.

2. 240 X is a power conditioner from Sound Application (http://www.soundapplication.com/index.html).

3. 2.8m between the speakers.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: style on January 15, 2013, 19:49
1. No secret. Dedicated lines; ASI loom and ground.

2. 240 X is a power conditioner from Sound Application (http://www.soundapplication.com/index.html).

3. 2.8m between the speakers.

Hi Francis,

thx for feedback.
a dedicated line is sure the basis the every great performance in a hifi system.... I dont have this opnion :'(

the spyke shoes is a good point. the "footers" is too of you have a "wood floor" or what... in the market are present a lot of spykes...
I dont know if the  CRSS are present in switzerladand: please is you have a link can you send me this one?

the Spark sound harmoniser can be a good "investiment"...I dont have the same connection like in singapore = I need use a adaptor .... if this dont loss the improvement of the "gear"... (giraffe say me the is not a problem...., not so sure)


How much hours listen do you have at today with the 3.1?
thank you Omar
 
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on January 16, 2013, 19:24
From CES 2013

Robert Harley’s Best of Show

Best Sound (cost no object)

Magico Q7 driven by Constellation electronics and MIT cables, Rockport Altair powered by Absolare electronics and Echole cables at T.H.E. Show, YG’s new Sonya with D’Agostino amplification and dCS front end, Raidho D1.1 powered by Rowland 725 amplifiers and Aeris DAC



AND



JV's CES 2013 Show Report: Loudspeakers $20k and Above


The $28.5k (including stands) Raidho D1 was one of the speakers I was most eager to hear at this year’s CES. A stand-mount two-way housed in exactly the same compact, angled, aluminum-fronted enclosure as its less expensive brother, the marvelous $17.5k C1.1, the D1 uses a diamond/carbonite-sandwich mid/woof instead of a ceramic-sandwich one. Putting aside the fact that a diamond membrane this size is an engineering/manufacturing first, the advantage of Raidho’s new driver is that (because of its greatly increased stiffness—diamond is 140 times harder than ceramic) the mid/woof’s first break-up mode is raised from 12.5kHz to 20kHz, making for an audibly smoother blend with Raidho’s fabulous quasi-ribbon tweeter. The diamond driver also goes deeper in the bass than the ceramic one—with considerably more oomph. I will go into more detail about the D1 when I get to my Best of Show winners, but suffice it to say that the new Raidho was my first Best Sound of Show nominee.


Best of Show
 
I thought about dividing this award among several very worthy contenders, but the truth is that one speaker sounded more like the absolute sound than any of the others—and not by a small margin. That speaker is the new Raidho D1. There has always been something simply magical about Raidho’s quasi-ribbon tweeter; now, with the addition of a diamond/carbonite mid/bass that can better keep pace with the ribbon, this mini-monitor is capable of even greater jaw-dropping realism.
 
Best Sound for Lowest Price
 
At T.H.E. Show I got to hear $5495 Maggie’s 3.7s coupled with Maggie’s DWM bass panels and, folks, you could not recognize the sound. I don’t really know how deep the DWMs are capable of going but where they play they add a lifelike density of tone color and dynamic excitement that the 3.7s alone simply can’t muster. A sensational showing.
 
Most Significant Product Introduction

The Raidho D1, of course, with a tip of the hat to AirTight for its marvelous new ATM-3011 and Magico for its very promising S-1 floorstanding two-way.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: style on January 16, 2013, 22:08
Hi 1AngMoh,
You use the Nordost product Quantum QX2 or 4: give you a sound improvemtn really or what?
you have too a dedicadet line for the hifi or no?
you use Norsost speaker cable (i think is a heimdall or?) why use the "jumpers" as extension ?


I have a normal AC - line  with this --> http://www.fabercables.com/uk/power.htm power block..... (Passlab XP20-X250.5) Kimber monocle XL  speaker cable (Raidho C 3.1) and stromcable from this Fabers brand....

I will go with the Nordost heimdall2 but  my dealer say me that he go have the Ansuz product from month of March ca.....


how much are priced the heimdall2 in australia ?
the quantum product (QK in combination with a QB ) is a sound improvement real?
thank you
Omar

Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: style on January 17, 2013, 01:09
at 1AngMoh:
buy a new speaker -> your "letter" on forum AudioEnz...
well after 1 month with the new Raidho C 3.1  in place of the B&W802di i'm a little depressed: I have made the right choice? at this monent yes at 40% no at 60%! I have in my head the sell the Raidho and less a lot of money and return to the B&W802 or stay with the 3.1 BUT ivest other money for a pair of 803/804di.....

I have the Tidal Piano Cera or the Marten Django xl too in my head....

I need a good piece that can make me say YES, the 3.1 is very amazing (cables, acoustic panel, ?!?!....
Maybe after 15 years of B&W speakers (from the serie 700 to all the 800 serie the Raidgo is, like write Absouluty sound rewiev, is a "drammatical" change in a hifi setup.

every opinion is like gold. Thank you
Style
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: durianlover88 on January 17, 2013, 01:18
Broler Style, I heard both B&W802Diamond, and the c3.1...the c3.1 wins by big margin.
Why are you depressed and thinking of changing speakers?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: style on January 17, 2013, 18:20
Broler Style, I heard both B&W802Diamond, and the c3.1...the c3.1 wins by big margin.
Why are you depressed and thinking of changing speakers?

Hi durianlover88,
you have a Raidho? or what for speaker?

well Raidho before purchasing the 3.1  I had listen the 2.1. well was very good. I had decided for the bigger 3.1 (vs 2.1) for more LF, more soundstage,....
I have a room, NOT a dedicated room= no a line 230v only for hifi, no acoustics panels,... but is long 9.7 meter and large 5.9 meer-> the sistem is placed NOT in the long but in the large (2/3 are for "pleasure" and 1/3 is present a table for "special lunch" with freind,.....
If too true that the Raidho have 50-60 hr. MAX. of sound "inside" the B&W 1 year......
The volume on the preampli to listen the same track with the Raidho muss be much more higher vs the B&W. the Raidho are very very sweet !!!  (go read --> http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/raidho-c-41-pt-ii/      ---> you can not make a sound angry ... that is a pleasure to listen to, do not give fatigue ..

I use a Passlab XP20 and X250.5 combo: Dac Bryston with 2 players...a Audiolab 8200 and Cambridge 851c...-> now or invest my money for the Meiner MA2 or Ma1 (next week in test at my home),  other good dac is the DP777 from the brand AMR.

other: change speaker cable from a Kimber monocle xl to a Nordost Heimdall2 or a Ansuz (my dealer say me that he go have the Ansuz product in a month ca....)

Your opinion?
thx Style
in medium and high frequencies are very very good.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: durianlover88 on January 17, 2013, 20:53
I hate to say, but the x250.5 is still not enough to drive the c3.1. You are right to say the preamp value needs to be higher because the c3.1 is simply more difficult to drive. In Singapore, we are using 650W ASI Grand Stereo amp at 650w/1000w/1800w @8/4/2 ohm loads.

Cables need to improve. You can try ASI cables to see if you like them. They are made in France.

Meitner MA2 should be good for you since you do not play SACD.

Pls just put in the cold ray speaker footers like what bigtree illustrated in the picture. Just touch the silver portion of the speaker spike. You can feel that it is vibrating like mad...sorting out this resonance problem should help you tighten the bass considerably.

I hate to see you getting depressed when you have such a good speakers. It would be a shame to dump it for 802Diamond, because the 802D simply cannot match it.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: style on January 17, 2013, 21:29
I hate to say, but the x250.5 is still not enough to drive the c3.1. You are right to say the preamp value needs to be higher because the c3.1 is simply more difficult to drive. In Singapore, we are using 650W ASI Grand Stereo amp at 650w/1000w/1800w @8/4/2 ohm loads.

Cables need to improve. You can try ASI cables to see if you like them. They are made in France.

Meitner MA2 should be good for you since you do not play SACD.

Pls just put in the cold ray speaker footers like what bigtree illustrated in the picture. Just touch the silver portion of the speaker spike. You can feel that it is vibrating like mad...sorting out this resonance problem should help you tighten the bass considerably.

I hate to see you getting depressed when you have such a good speakers. It would be a shame to dump it for 802Diamond, because the 802D simply cannot match it.


Hi, thx for feedback.
the cable are well in program, I dont know where can I find the "footer" --> please a link.
the good room, with a panel or "gear" for good control of the frequenzie is a first step to check!


The X250.5 in not enough? with the 802 the power the hand/pointer of the power increases much more with the Raidho.
with B & W power was almost always "stops" (the hand/pointer of passlab)

I find it hard to believe that it is not enough.

With blocks JeffR. or bel canto class D monoblock 500Watt?

Is not a question of Watts but "electricity" --> Lars from Raidho say me that the X250.5 is more as enough!?!?!

greetings Style
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: style on January 17, 2013, 22:38
continue:

the D2 from 1AngMoh was with a diablo Gryphon and now with another ampli (i dont know the name) is not a watt problem.
for me IMHO the Pass x250.5 cam drive without proboem every speaker (or almost!) if I muss replace my ampli I think at  AArts AMP!!!,
not sure a Mcintosh mc501 or so like that... a classe D like Jeff Row. or Bel Canto with a "unexpensive invetiment" give sure much more pleasure. example the JR are very very good wih the Avalon speaker.
I can have at very interessing price a couple of Pass XA200.5.....

but llike wrote at fist I muss work with footer, good placement of the 3.1, a accoustic panel in the rear of raidho and speakers cable.(at good volume I can listen the vibration of the "piece" placed near the table on the other part of the room...

The M2 or M1  is - for me - the best solution as source. No Sacd: in my collection of 1000 cd disc I have 10?!?! hybrid sacd....no way.
Hdtrack the other street....

a combo M1 with a cd player Esoteric (of course with cd) dont have a good sound like the MA2...

Dac from AMR DP777 work very fine: tested with a Dcs....

KR style
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: durianlover88 on January 17, 2013, 23:40
Broler Style, I did some checks ah:

ASI Grand Stereo (Max voltage swing: 75V, Max current output 120Ampere, damping factor >10000, Class A)

Passlabs x250.5 (Max voltage swing: 60V, Max current output 20Ampere, damping factor 250, Class AB)

The passlabs needle moving more, preamp volume need to be higher - these tell you something..
For this speakers, the amp impact is higher.
Class D amps - would not do this speakers any justice...
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: meatballz on January 17, 2013, 23:44
style why dun you buy this swiss made dac

http://www.ch-precision.com/site/index.php/products/c1
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: durianlover88 on January 17, 2013, 23:59
Think do dedicated lines should be cheaper for style than ch precision ah...no dedicated line do anything/buy anything also no use...
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: style on January 18, 2013, 01:27
at   durianlover88,

yes D class amplifier is a "dangereus" planet but in Muenchen at the Muenchen Messe" Raidho was present with JR ampli.
question why?
Raidho say: we sell Raidho sound not a ampli that give "more" from what a amazing speaker can!

I had Rotel Rb1091/1092 in the passt....of course in not the same like a Passlab sound. I had Mcintosh, classeaudio, Denon ....a lot of brand...
the Acoustic Art AMPIII  --> http://www.accusticarts.de/pages/de_amp_iii.html
Total transformer power: maximum 3,200 VA (watts)
Power supply capacity: more than 240,000 μF
Input impedance: Pin 1 to Pin 2: 20 kΩ
Pin 1 to Pin 3: 20 kΩ
Pin 2 to Pin 3: 40 kΩ
Rated power output: max. 2 x 1,000 watts on 4 Ω
(at THD+N = 0,1 %) max. 2 x 600 watts on 8 Ω
Minimum
speaker impedance: 4 Ω per channel
Rise time/fall time: 3.1 μs on 4 Ω load
(square-wave 20 kHz, 12 Vss)

is well a very good product... the ASI I dont have never listen.. sound and name in Europa.

al is how much you will invest:
is the money are not a problem a Soulution  (http://www.soulution-audio.com/en/serie7/index.php) or a constellation (http://www.constellationaudio.com/ca/index.php) are my first choice : 500'000.- €. pre/ampil maybe Dac....!!!!!


And over the papier/brouchure the number are not always Good sound!


What is your setup?
you have a Raidho?
Stlye
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: durianlover88 on January 18, 2013, 06:48
Broler Style, I already stated where are the weak points and potential remedies for your situation. I probably won't delve too deep on it...I do not usually do this in the forum, this is the first time after 1600 posts because I see you being depressed with the c3.1. I only specially do this for less than a handful of forumers in their houses, mostly on their requests. So pls do not trust me. Take them as reference if you might. I also do not own any Raidho yet. Except spending some time at the showroom, spending about 4 hours tweaking close broler Bigtree's c3.1 - with many 5-second comparisons, and hopefully when my broler G's c4.1 arrive next month, I can spend some more quality time with it to understand fully Raidho's character..I don't know if I can still offer any more help to you broler Style..
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: jerome_the_lang on January 18, 2013, 07:46
Broiler style, our Internet audio experts here use 5-sec tests to determine long-term satisfaction with amp-speaker combination for you.
You can't get any better advice like that anywhere else on this planet.
If you think you can do better with 3-sec, or even 1-sec, then otherwise just follow their instructions, ok?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: durianlover88 on January 18, 2013, 08:06
Thanks for the compliment...I know very few people can do this. So far broler G and myself can - after incessant non-stop AB tests we have been doing over the years. It is very much equivalent to ear-training.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: james46 on January 18, 2013, 08:19
Update

With each installation of the previous tweaks the sound stage opens up, gotten even sweeter and went deeper into the rear wall.



This is excatly what I get when I put the Spartz into my system except the sound stage does not open up. It gotten sweeter, went deeper ( especially at the center of the stage). What I do get is it cleans up a lot of harmonics ( I am not sure if it is AC noise or some of the music that goes with it). With the Spartz in, the sound is much more darker, image have more body. The tonal balance shifted slightly in favour of a slightly mute high frequency but a more solid bass. All these is what most audiophile wanted in today's high end chase. For $300 the Spartz do wonders if you like the effect. It is very effective and easily audible.
Title: Re: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on January 18, 2013, 10:13

This is excatly what I get when I put the Spartz into my system except the sound stage does not open up. It gotten sweeter, went deeper ( especially at the center of the stage). What I do get is it cleans up a lot of harmonics ( I am not sure if it is AC noise or some of the music that goes with it). With the Spartz in, the sound is much more darker, image have more body. The tonal balance shifted slightly in favour of a slightly mute high frequency but a more solid bass. All these is what most audiophile wanted in today's high end chase. For $300 the Spartz do wonders if you like the effect. It is very effective and easily audible.

Wise words ah. My raidho project berry big sound stage with 4 sparkz.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: jerome_the_lang on January 18, 2013, 12:57
Yes, it usually takes only 5 secs for me to know what is good.
Sometimes, it is shorter, but we (my friends and I) wish to be modest.
This 5 secs "hear the diff" can be trained.
Most people has this ability, all it takes is training.

We (my frens and I) decides with these 5 secs tests and bought $50k to $100k toys.

I thank God for this ability and this capacity.

Ho Hoi Sum

the 5-sec trick is really effective for sales improvement.
today make people buy this $50K, tomorrow make people buy another $100K.
you need to patent this.

Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: james46 on January 18, 2013, 13:38
Bro@J46, I think you did not have enough sparkz.
I used 2 sparkz on bro@ecpaye's system, and I wished I had 1 more sparkz at that very moment.

I was with Lars and he used 3 sparkz all the time his demo together with 3 qv2s. The qv2s are always in. The sparks goes in 1 at a time and out also 1 at a time.



Haha very interesting obersvation. I have yet to hear a hifi component that reverse its attributes as more is used. It always compound on the effect in the same direction as more is added. BTW I really respect what tne Spartz did to the sound. I have never heard a tweak that is so compelling. I believe most people will love it. I have 2 QV2s in my system. They are not so prominent as the Spartz. You have to listen in/listen out just to get a grasp of it.
The other point on video effect is the color become super concentrated when the Spartz are in. With the QV2 it is only a suple but nice effect. Again most people will be awe by the Spartz because they can see such a huge difference.
All this you can differentiate even with just 1 Spartz in the circuit. I didn't get to try multiple Spartz.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: jerome_the_lang on January 18, 2013, 16:43
1 or 2 individual tried but did not like it, and did not buy sparkz.
So, the effects of sparks is still subjective.

1 individual bought it but said he preferred the old sound.
I went to his place to listen to his old sound, to understand what he said,
 I think he is not comfortable buying sparkz, and I refund, no questions asked.
The 1 day old sparkz was offered to a rebuyer at $300

burnt-in sparkz should be sold at higher price!
this thingy inside got signal pathways that will facilitate better electron flows with current running thru' them....
but if, only one-day old. maybe same price OK.  ;D

Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on January 18, 2013, 17:10
OT OT jor ah~
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Quest on January 18, 2013, 17:17
Actually why not ansuz guy make the sparkz to have a 2 pin connector at the end of it.. that way you can stack sparkz..
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: style on January 18, 2013, 18:13
at jerome_the_lang,
respect for you! this sure but sorry the reponse is change your ampli. ok, I can accept this point of view.
but if you like mercedes cars ok, great but is is not so a mercedes with new wheels 20inch is always a mercedes!

the ASI (and sorry please a dealer adresse in europa)  is not the only one. 600 watt wow, for what?
I had a Nagra 75watt MSA with PL L premapli (speaker was Verity Leonore) soundet very great, in my room of 60m2 too. is not a power question.

The ASR emitter 2 exclusive blue with 250wattx2 sound amazing and can drive every speakers too. (with 3 "battery" as standart setup)

I dont konw the price of Raidho in your country but in europa is around 32k €. (3.1) - 49k USD. i think ....a B&W802di can be drived with a Passlab 250 without any problem. and I like the Nautilus tech. maybe in placed of the Raidho a pair of Tidal piano cera was much better.

end: to have pleasure of my 3.1 i need invest other 30k. €. for a new ampli sorry I prefer sell the Raidho for 50% of price and stay with the Pass - that is a very good gear - and search another speaker.

3 sec, 5 sec.....In 1 sec you & I can say the same as durianlover88.

dear durianlover88, thank you very much for your interessing. really the only one that have got a feedback. I respect your point of view. I think too that a ampli like the ASI make the difference with the 3.1. ....You do receive a pair of 4.1? what you go use to drive it?
I'm very interessed to say what you "wait" from the raidho, at this moment you use what as speaker?
PLEASE DONT BE HUNGRY WITH ME, I HAVE ALL THE RESPECT FOR YOU REALLY, before the purchasing I have listen the 2.1 with a MLevinson combo 390pre and 333? ampli (2x300watt) and I was very happy and sadisfait with the sound! of course if was not so I dont have changed my speakers!
really is you have a dealer adresse for ASI I will be very happy to listen and go "see" this product.
I wait your reponse.
all the best regards Style



Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: jerome_the_lang on January 18, 2013, 18:29
Broiler style, our Internet audio experts here use 5-sec tests to determine long-term satisfaction with amp-speaker combination for you.
You can't get any better advice like that anywhere else on this planet.
If you think you can do better with 3-sec, or even 1-sec, then otherwise just follow their instructions, ok?

...., only jimi gets it ah.....?

 ;D
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: jerome_the_lang on January 18, 2013, 18:45
at jerome_the_lang,
respect for you! this sure but sorry the reponse is change your ampli. ok, I can accept this point of view.
but if you like mercedes cars ok, great but is is not so a mercedes with new wheels 20inch is always a mercedes!

........


Broiler style.

I pass lab user too.

I use xp20 and x350 in my bedroom driving a pair of SS-M9ED


I have second pair of SS-M9ED in my living room driven by sony TA-E1 and TA-N1


After more than half a year I still not decided which amp combination is better.
They both have their strength and weakness.
Playing some recordings the pass sound warmer and richer in bass punch
Play other recordings the Sony's better detail resolution and top frequency extension becomes more important.
There is so many audio reproduction performance aspects that each one excels at, and each of them cannot be said to perform better than the other conclusively.

If I were to rely on the 5 sec test method to determine which amp combination is better, I will end up with a different result every time a different recording were be to used.

So is the 5-sec test really useful...?

Yes, anyone can hear a difference with a 5-sec burst test, but it will be useful for a certain type of performance parameter only.

You always need to listen longer over an extended period, and with many different recordings to determine which amp-speaker combination will serve and satisfy you over the long term.

 ;D


Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: joamonte on January 18, 2013, 18:46
5 sec is too long already..

...some expert audiophile I know can decide product's sound just by looking at it! that is less than 1 second.... ;D  ;D

Aiyoh.... enjoy the sound and happy with the spending can already lah.....its only hobby, don't need to take it so serious.

 :)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: style on January 18, 2013, 19:02
hi,
I have just received a reponse for a ASI ampli from "acoustic-system <acoustic-system-international@orange.fr"


between Pass /Nelson first watt they say me that he use xp20 too with a x350 8not the .5) and a first watt too: they say first watt is the prefered.
as ASI & Goldmond dealer they say too that the ASI is very better from the Goldmond.  more dynamic, more ..All. end.

the agent in Newyork say too that the ASI is very amazing: store in Paris nothing in Switzerland...... Grand Stereo ampli "brouchere price" 30k €.

every combo have the plus and minus: with a ClasseAudio combo CP700 and CA2300  the sound was very direct, very "cold" but fast, maybe analitique ...with some track was great, wiht other like a classe D....
is not easy..........
McIntosh is a disaster (for me) too much money for nothing....."old serie" like mc252, 402....the new 304/452 are different but not at the level from a Pass.
like wrote constellation and  soulution are very good!!!! ---> I like the Plinuis too. is a good gear (sa reference, sb301 and sa103)....

Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: style on January 18, 2013, 19:04
peace & love ------- of course.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on January 19, 2013, 07:29
Yo broler style, I have a lot of respect for your pursue for high end sound ah...

But you haven't tell me the serial numbers of your C3.1 ah.

Anyway, My local dealer is bringing a guy to come listen to my C3.1 later. If he like the sound, he will buy my C3.1 and ASI grand stereo and then I can upgrade to D4 and ASI mono blocks. I oso juz sold my 3 year old porker GT. Many loose change with me now.

Btw that guy's moniker is bigcannonfairy. Not sure if you know him?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: jerome_the_lang on January 19, 2013, 07:41

between Pass /Nelson first watt they say me that the use xp20 too with a x350 8not the .5) and a first watt too: they say first watt is the prefered.


Pass labs amps and Nelson first watt amps may be products from the same guy, but the way they are intended to be used, and the speakers that they were intended to be driving are very very different.

You can't reliably use first watt amps to drive a power hungry speaker like the raiho, and you'll get overdrive problems using high  efficiency speakers with sensitivity rating above 100 dB SPL with high powered amps like the regular pass lab amps. So, there's no apple to apple comparison.

At the recent ces 2013, different combination of pass labs amp were used in different rooms with more or less the same speaker:

(http://i1174.photobucket.com/albums/r619/Xtremeplace1/Snapbucket/BFE17B2B.jpg)
X250.5 with SS-AR1


(http://i1174.photobucket.com/albums/r619/Xtremeplace1/Snapbucket/581C65E3.jpg)
Xs300 with SS-AR2


(http://i1174.photobucket.com/albums/r619/Xtremeplace1/Snapbucket/597AAFB0.jpg)
X350.5 with SS-AR1

Here's a further report on this X350.5/SS-AR1 combination

Click on this link (http://www.stereophile.com/content/my-epiphany-pass-labs-sony-kimber-and-dsd-files)

According to this stereophile writer:

"....This was definitely the best audio reproduction I heard at the show!....."


Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: jimi on January 19, 2013, 09:59
Yo broler style, I have a lot of respect for your pursue for high end sound ah...

But you haven't tell me the serial numbers of your C3.1 ah.

Anyway, My local dealer is bringing a guy to come listen to my C3.1 later. If he like the sound, he will buy my C3.1 and ASI grand stereo and then I can upgrade to D4 and ASI mono blocks. I oso juz sold my 3 year old porker GT. Many loose change with me now.

Btw that guy's moniker is bigcannonfairy. Not sure if you know him?


What's! Upgrading oredi!! You really follow ur Sifu? Got diamond upgrade option also?!
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: hotbird on January 19, 2013, 10:04
Btw that guy's moniker is bigcannonfairy. Not sure if you know him?

I know him, neck very long one :)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: durianlover88 on January 19, 2013, 10:14
Many petenders bery bigcannonfairy wan, they know who they are.
Exercise caution and dun need to believe 100% what they write.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: hotbird on January 19, 2013, 10:17
Many petenders bery bigcannonfairy wan, they know who they are.
Exercise caution and dun need to believe 100% what they write.

Especially those that claim 5 seconds can tell , those cannot believe one :)
Check with Jerome :)

If I were to rely on the 5 sec test method to determine which amp combination is better, I will end up with a different result every time a different recording were be to used.

So is the 5-sec test really useful...?

Yes, anyone can hear a difference with a 5-sec burst test, but it will be useful for a certain type of performance parameter only.

You always need to listen longer over an extended period, and with many different recordings to determine which amp-speaker combination will serve and satisfy you over the long term.

 ;D

Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on January 25, 2013, 14:39
Another World's first!!!

The world's first D3 is sold in Singapore!!! With premium finish somemore!

GXGX AVI. Oey must be counting money ho hoi sum now!

Huat ah~
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on January 26, 2013, 11:35
Another World's first!!!

The world's first D3 is sold in Singapore!!!  [...]



Singapore Boleh!
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on January 27, 2013, 10:51
some Raidho porn with devialet.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_33V6sx3nYg/UQI0dmlCBQI/AAAAAAAANYU/dOGBBbmu_y4/s400/DSCF0612.jpg)

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-o8YEM-3UFXU/UQI0kI4SwkI/AAAAAAAANYc/LHaDKpAWjQQ/s400/DSCF0607.jpg)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2b7ddoEJ45s/UQI0q1bgBII/AAAAAAAANYo/nqEhQW_EyG4/s400/DSCF0609.jpg)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-S9VHZcUH12U/UQI0xMQW7NI/AAAAAAAANYw/dnlbHiQqIp8/s400/DSCF0611.jpg)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-aeYpHZ7cDOM/UQI03RJFaYI/AAAAAAAANY4/jY7LVzV7YLE/s400/DSCF0613.jpg)

two words: bo lat!
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: meatballz on January 27, 2013, 10:53
holey cow this is a fortune.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: durianlover88 on January 27, 2013, 10:59
This must be the D3, drivers black in colour..
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on January 27, 2013, 11:02
Yeah. 2nd set paired with Devialet.

Must be something special with this combination...

siao liao...Hoot devialet again?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on January 27, 2013, 11:06
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_33V6sx3nYg/UQI0dmlCBQI/AAAAAAAANYU/dOGBBbmu_y4/s400/DSCF0612.jpg)

This is the correct Raidho setup (with toe-in) in accordance with the manual and how Lars would do it too.

I can't give my Raidho so much space behind... :'(

Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: kzone on January 27, 2013, 12:16
I'm sure the 2nd Devialet will appear in that setup soon. The new firmware makes the performance jump to dual mono even greater than before 
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: durianlover88 on January 27, 2013, 12:43
I like D2 durian bery much, but think there is no D3 or D4 durian species available.
The D2 durian is longish...with thin shells but thick stem in the middle of the fruit...making it bery difficult to open...
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: james46 on January 27, 2013, 13:12
Th best durians are 3H. High sugar, high cholestrol and high price.  ;D
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: style on January 27, 2013, 16:31
Hallo,
nice picture....the D3 what for cabint color are? in a new finished?

the Devialet in europa is available in second hand for around 10k. Euro. (almost pieces are ex Demo) versus new 15k. ca.

Personaly I prefere a "heavy" ampli 50kg... and preampli at the side..... but well is my opinion...

at bigtree: the new D3 are your next step?

Style
Title: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: naimster on January 27, 2013, 18:59
B3, is that Spiral Groove turntable in your system pics?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: jimi on January 27, 2013, 19:21
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_33V6sx3nYg/UQI0dmlCBQI/AAAAAAAANYU/dOGBBbmu_y4/s400/DSCF0612.jpg)

This is the correct Raidho setup (with toe-in) in accordance with the manual and how Lars would do it too.

I can't give my Raidho so much space behind... :'(



Not sure how you gUys feel about this but I'm starting to feel that the space the side is more important than the space behind.

If I ever have a room bug enough I will go for 2m either side of the Spkr (have to sort out any bass humps if the length of the room is too short though).
Title: Re: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on January 27, 2013, 20:30
B3, is that Spiral Groove turntable in your system pics?

No ah. Mine is a C3.1.



Title: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: naimster on January 27, 2013, 20:39
No ah. Mine is a C3.1.
Pardon me... What's a c3.1 turntable?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on January 27, 2013, 22:36
Pardon me... What's a c3.1 turntable?

Hee... This is C3.1. This is a speaker thread ah.

(http://d1xw7fnq30zy05.cloudfront.net/uploads/image/image/583619/scaled_Screen_shot_2012-07-12_at_12.45.57_AM.png)


Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: style on January 28, 2013, 00:17
at bigtree:
you thibg that a nordost Qx2 (or 2piece) with a Qb4/( and power cord from ansus model A they can make the diffenrece in the C3.1 setup?


yout preampli in a "good-several listing" is much more higher vs. a speaker like B&W or other?
(with he 802di at 55dB the sound was amazing ....to have the same with the Radho 62dB are necessary.....) (please not say that is the amplinot enough stark...--> email from Lars: I really do believe that you amps have plenty of power for the C-3.1's... , but the foundation of you system is too weak.. you can't mix cables from different manufactures it never works, trust me I have been the front figure of Nordost Cables  for more than 20 years until a few weeks ago...


thak you fro feedback.
style
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on January 28, 2013, 09:57
Like what Lars mentioned. It's as if you've bought a FF to drive in the streets full of pot holes and pumped RON88 petrol.

Salad cables and single lane traffic don't worked imho. ymmv.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: hotbird on January 28, 2013, 13:53
Lars has left Nordost.
He is Mr. Nordost no more.
His new cables are damn good, under brand name Ansuz.
I have neber seen anything like that in my life. I was stunned.

More later ;)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: hotbird on January 28, 2013, 13:55
yout preampli in a "good-several listing" is much more higher vs. a speaker like B&W or other?
(with he 802di at 55dB the sound was amazing ....to have the same with the Radho 62dB are necessary.....) (please not say that is the amplinot enough stark...--> email from Lars: I really do believe that you amps have plenty of power for the C-3.1's... , but the foundation of you system is too weak.. you can't mix cables from different manufactures it never works, trust me I have been the front figure of Nordost Cables  for more than 20 years until a few weeks ago...
thak you fro feedback.
style

You never asked him about the mixed internal wiring inside each equipment, do they need to be also addressed ? :)
Can he also blame the equipment for bad sound due to the fact that they do not also use Nordost wiring inside
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: style on January 28, 2013, 23:59
Sorry  hotbird,

What mean ?  :-[


Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: hotbird on January 29, 2013, 00:04
Sorry  hotbird,
What mean ?  :-[

Someone blames the external wiring for the bad sound you are getting from your speakers, because he thinks you are using a bad mix of cables from
all different brands. Of course, you must ask him what about the internal wiring inside the equipment, many are probably wired with just industrial brand cables. Should he also advise you the equipment using wiring made from his cables ;)
In every hifi show, he demos speakers with equipment from quite a number of different brands, does he have to certify that all these equipment have only one brand of wiring  ;D
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: watchdog on January 29, 2013, 07:45
Raidho uses Nordost internal wiring, so it would seem to suggest that Lars is recommending Nordost wiring throughout ?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on January 29, 2013, 08:51
Raidho uses Nordost internal wiring, so it would seem to suggest that Lars is recommending Nordost wiring throughout ?

That is correct Watchdog.  Model dependent, Raidho use Nordost Valhalla and Nordost ODIN cabling inside their speakers.  To understand how great this is for synergy you must hear it.

Later this year Ansuz will release to market an amplifier which will use either Nordost or Ansuz cabling internally.   Some bros here in Singapore have already had the demo showing how nicely Nordost and Ansuz cables work together.   So more synergy coming.   No need for cable salads.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Giraffe on January 29, 2013, 14:27
Ansuz also has a Phonostage coming, but waiting can make the neck long.
The Phonostage is the last thing on the drawing board in the Ansuz line of products.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: avantgarde1 on January 29, 2013, 20:41
Hello from a Newbie,   Up front disclaimer - I am a NYC audio dealer)

I stumbled upon this thread/forum while researching the D1's.  I happen to already be an ASI dealer,  which has been mentioned several times in this thread.  Anyway, I am awaiting delivery (within the next week) of my demo pair of D1's and should be officially listed on the Raidho site as a NYC dealer very soon.  The reason for my post is to invite anyone that is either in the NYC Metro area or if anyone is ever visiting NYC to give me a call and stop by for a listen.  I will be driving the D1's with either Kondo, ASI or Goldmund amplification.  I'm really not trying to do an advertisement here, but loved the knowledge about the ASI gear as well of course the Raidho line.  PLease just pm me for if anyone would ever like to stop by for a listen.   Best regards, Bob V.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on February 01, 2013, 22:30
More Raidhos!

Bangkok AV show. Raidho C4.1 with ASI cables and resonators!

(http://www.lcdtvthailand.com/asp-bin/images-source/image/news/2013/BAV_Hi-End_Show_2013_Floor3/BAV_Hi-End_Show_2013_Floor3_53.JPG)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on February 01, 2013, 23:00
More Raidhos!

Bangkok AV show. Raidho C4.1 with ASI cables and resonators!


And Living Voice speakers beside them at a fraction of the Raidho C4.1 cost!   
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Giraffe on February 01, 2013, 23:31

Bro@B3, So you now know why I go Bangkok liao.

And go only 3 nites. I ususally 2 weeks. Cannot liao.
RR 777 from another country coming jor.
C4.1 also coming
5 racks from China also coming.
D's Diaonds also coming.
CNY also coming.
My Dai Yee Mah coming.

Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: jerome_the_lang on February 02, 2013, 00:12
Bro@B3, So you now know why I go Bangkok liao.

And go only 3 nites. I ususally 2 weeks. Cannot liao.
RR 777 from another country coming jor.
C4.1 also coming
5 racks from China also coming.
D's Diaonds also coming.
CNY also coming.
My Dai Yee Mah coming.

Wah becuming big time biz man Liao.
You go bangk and cum how many times?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: style on February 02, 2013, 00:59
Hi Bro,

I sell Raidho C 3.1 , Wallnut 1 month life. box, waranty all ....


greetings Style
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: durianlover88 on February 02, 2013, 08:00
Bro style,

How much are you selling, able to show a picture of the unit for sale?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Raidho on February 02, 2013, 16:19
Hi to you all.

Both Michael and I at Raidho are very happy about this thread and all the nice thinks which has been said about our products. Also there is a thanks to all You people, who have either bought some of our speakers or supporting us..  Thank you very much we appreciate it.

Have a nice and relaxed weekend
Kind regards
Lars
Raidho
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on February 03, 2013, 09:26
Hi to you all.

Both Michael and I at Raidho are very happy about this thread and all the nice thinks which has been said about our products. Also there is a thanks to all You people, who have either bought some of our speakers or supporting us..  Thank you very much we appreciate it.

Have a nice and relaxed weekend
Kind regards
Lars
Raidho


Welcome Lars,

I always view it as positive when a manufacturer takes the time to read on-line feedback on products and /or services.

I think the growing following of Raidho in Singapore reflects a global trend.  Raidho it seems has been 'discovered'.

Hope you will check in from time to time and share with us, where you can, latest developments and thinking around your designs.

Its damn cold in Denmark right now - so wishing you in return a --warm-- weekend.  Here in Singapore I am very relaxed right now listening to Kari Bremnes Live - belting out Sovngjengersken   ;D

Regards
Ralph
[The first owner in Singapore of the Raidho C-Series and first owner in the world of the Raidho D-Series  :)]
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: hotbird on February 05, 2013, 14:43
Does ip5 bought last year from singtel congruent with RR-777?
~ 40% more ah~

Since you want to play lock the thread,  I will answer you here.
Why not? It is a sale price... sales always have discount.
Why don't Ansuz retailer sell at the same price as longneck....?
To be consistent, you cannot undercut your dealer.  ;D
Why must they price it $100 more....
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: durianlover88 on February 09, 2013, 01:15
Woooooooooooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: melmeow on February 09, 2013, 01:16
It's a freaking monster!!
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: kzone on February 09, 2013, 01:57
how did they get in there??? even via the stairs, enuff space to turn?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: AndrewC on February 09, 2013, 07:30
4 pionk 1, taller than me.
...

Waah!! Very nice!
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on February 09, 2013, 10:46
Wow.  Congratulations Alan.

We need a better photo.....   Please.   

Was the deal and installation done via AVI?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: AndrewC on February 09, 2013, 11:24
It is a direct purchase, a privilege to an Ansuz agent for demo purposes.
...

Waah!! Got it at Industry accommodation price? Lucky you eh! ;)...
(Hmmm... Maybe we should all become dealers of something! ;D)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: francis wu on February 09, 2013, 14:29
Wah, how many lots of Kep Corp these long neck speakers ha! ;D
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on February 09, 2013, 15:12
wah~ GXGX!
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: jimi on February 09, 2013, 15:15
Congrats on the 4.1! looks damn intimidating, do you need a bar stool to get to the sweet spot?  ;D

Why do you think he's called Giraffe? :)

Congrats!
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 5th Avenue on February 09, 2013, 15:24
Congrats & just in time for CNY... :)

You need run in when you are away for 2 weeks... ;D
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Raidho on February 09, 2013, 15:40
Dear Alan

Congratulation with your new speakers... They are monster mini monitor's as JV of TAS discribe them ... It take a few weeks to break them in.. but you will know when it happens.

Either Michael or I are going to Asia in the fall and of cause we will go to Singapore to see you and also the guys fro AVI,,

Right now in Raidho we are very busy in shipping out our new D-Series.. we are very pleased that it seems that people really like our products..

Thank you by the way for buying our products..

Kind regards
Lars
The Raidho Viking
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: jerome_the_lang on February 09, 2013, 15:40
You need run in when you are away for 2 weeks... ;D

Yes, Pass your key to one of the bros here to help you do the run in.
Geylang address, very convenient......  ;D
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: composition on February 09, 2013, 18:17
how much is the C2.1 and the C3.1?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: melmeow on February 09, 2013, 20:48
Ya u need 3 to 4 person to move that monster..
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: style on February 21, 2013, 01:51
Hi Bro,

I purchased the Raidho C3.1  and I'm very happy.

Not "onl" for the Perfomance but for service that this Brand give me. A very Professional after sale service. " Chapeau bas"

Thank you at Lars and the Raidho Group.

K regards from Swizterland,
Omar
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on February 23, 2013, 12:04
Thats great Omar.

One minute you were going to sell the speakers, the next you are very happy.   What changed?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: durianlover88 on February 27, 2013, 22:23
It is good to finally done the full 5-rack change and c4.1 shift over these 2 days at Broler Giraffe's den...it is absolutely back-breaking!! Broler Sammy came today to help as well :)

Open sound - wooooooooaaaaaahhhhhhhh!
After run-in should be bladdy awesome...

Tomorrow will be my turn Liao...chicken rice on me!

Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on February 27, 2013, 23:47
After run-in should be bladdy awesome...


Yes!  Raidhos sound good out of the box but I've notice big changes to the products sonic performance at the 100+ hours mark.   I've update my blog HERE (http://www.audioenz.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/11492-Music-from-a-farther-room/page8).
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: kzone on February 27, 2013, 23:56
Quote
The litmus test of a fine loudspeaker for me is what happens when the music stops. Why? Because that is time to reflect upon what the music has witnessed to you and what sticks with you at the end of the performance. If the answer is nothing then that’s what I think of the stereo system.

Very well said! Enjoyed reading ur review, thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Buch73 on March 23, 2013, 01:26
Yes!  Raidhos sound good out of the box but I've notice big changes to the products sonic performance at the 100+ hours mark.   I've update my blog HERE (http://www.audioenz.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/11492-Music-from-a-farther-room/page8).

Have you reached the 200 hours mark now?    ;)

Buch
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on March 31, 2013, 10:12
Have you reached the 200 hours mark now?    ;)

Buch

Hello and welcome Buch.

The answer unfortunately is no.

I been travelling for business for the past 4 weeks in a row and I am not one of these people that can depart from home and leave the audio system running.

I spy Raidho in your equipment list.   Please tell us more.  Which model do you have?   Photo?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on March 31, 2013, 10:28
Bros'

A noteworthy heads up.

I have just learned that Michael Borresen, the chief designer at Raidho, may be visiting Singapore on / around 8th April.

Raidho owners and aspiring owners - or those interested in the fundamentals of modern loudspeaker design should keep their diary free that evening for something that will be rather special......

I will provide a further update when I have more details.


1AM
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Buch73 on March 31, 2013, 19:12
Hello and welcome Buch.

The answer unfortunately is no.

I been travelling for business for the past 4 weeks in a row and I am not one of these people that can depart from home and leave the audio system running.

I spy Raidho in your equipment list.   Please tell us more.  Which model do you have?   Photo?

Hello and thanks.

Yes, you are right.. I have been a very glad Raidho owner for 10+ years.
Started out with the former series , Eben and had the X-Centric model for a couple of years. Then went to the first X-3 model and then the last couple of years, I have had the latest X-3 Ceramic model. (Before the C-series)
Upgraded for 2 months ago with the newest Ribbon tweeters.
I attach a pic , so you can see them.

Interesting with the visit of Michael to Singapore. I went to visit their plant earlier this year and had a demo from Lars for the new D-1 speaker. Wow , what a sound. Also I was lucky to hear the great C4 speaker.. what a live performance it could perform  :D
But the D-1 really sounded terrific and think this could be my next speaker. Only doubt I have is whether it should be D1 or D2.
So therefore I follow your very nice thread/blog and your reviews of them.  ;)
I will just wait for you to have had the time to burn them further in.. I also need some time for saving up, so I will just enjoy my X-3 speakers for now..  ;)

Buch
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: otagaz on March 31, 2013, 22:57
been following this thread with interests.. while i will plan to go for some audition in the near future and sound preference can be subjective,
can any of current Raidho owners comment on the way Raidho deliver the bass?
i have been on Magico sealed box path for a number of years and been contemplating on the Q series upgrade path... i hope to listen to Raidho and see if can be my cup of tea. Ported vs. sealed box bass...

appreciate comments particular if there is any Raidho owners who are familiar with Magico sound characteristics.. TIA!
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on April 01, 2013, 07:03

[...]  Interesting with the visit of Michael to Singapore. I went to visit their plant earlier this year and had a demo from Lars for the new D-1 speaker. Wow , what a sound. Also I was lucky to hear the great C4 speaker.. what a live performance it could perform  :D

But the D-1 really sounded terrific and think this could be my next speaker. Only doubt I have is whether it should be D1 or D2.

Buch



Hi Buch,

Please tell us some more about your experience with the Raidho D-1.   Many readers (local and global) will be interested.   What were the other components in the demo system?  After the demo finished what thoughts / memories did you walk away with?

Cheers
1AM
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on April 01, 2013, 07:20
been following this thread with interests.. while i will plan to go for some audition in the near future and sound preference can be subjective,
can any of current Raidho owners comment on the way Raidho deliver the bass?
i have been on Magico sealed box path for a number of years and been contemplating on the Q series upgrade path... i hope to listen to Raidho and see if can be my cup of tea. Ported vs. sealed box bass...

appreciate comments particular if there is any Raidho owners who are familiar with Magico sound characteristics.. TIA!


Hello and welcome to the thread otagaz.

Beautiful system you have there.

Sound preference is indeed subjective so in the finish the decision should rest with your ears.

One thing that may help.

Next week the Chief engineer of Raidho will be in town and (fingers crossed) a demonstration of the new Raidho D-1 will take place.  Now as much I respect the Magico Mini II (and its successor the Q1) you simply MUST hear the D-1, even if it hasn't been broken in.   


Regards
1AM
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on April 01, 2013, 16:19
Bro's,

Below is a copy of the invite.  Suggest you register early as I believe seating is limited.




(http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af12/notrace_photo/Invitation_latest_zps43fa7dde.jpg)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Buch73 on April 01, 2013, 19:27

Hi Buch,

Please tell us some more about your experience with the Raidho D-1.   Many readers (local and global) will be interested.   What were the other components in the demo system?  After the demo finished what thoughts / memories did you walk away with?

Cheers
1AM

Hi

The demo started with the C-1.1 and it sounded really great.
The sound was very transparent, quick, fluid and with the delighted detailed highs and airy sound of the ribbon tweeter.
Amazing how much bass the C1.1 is capable of. If you close your eyes, you do not believe it is not a bigger speaker.

After that , Lars changed to the D-1 speaker. Even though, I sat on with a very big smile from the C-1.1, it grew even bigger after just hearing 5 sec of the D-1.  :D
It sounds very much like the C-1.1 of course, but i could just hear it in someway has an even more fluent way to play. It sounds like there is really only 1 full-tone woofer that plays everything. It really smoothens the music out , from the bottom to the very high highs..
I noticed also that is was very amazing, the way the silences in music was. The background was so "black" and silent. But it did in no way, keep out any details or the small microdynamics and overtones in the music.
I felt that whenever there was the tiniest music/noise on the source, it was delivered still.
This silence also makes the experience very dynamic indeed.

Well, can just say that after demo of the D-1, my jaw went further down and I had an even larger smile on my face  :D

The D-1 is just an amazing speaker.

We ended the demo with a pair of C-4.1, that was just ready from production and needed the last hearing before delivery to a customer. Lars put on some live music from some Danish Bands etc and boy, did the C-4 like that. We played a little louder this time to really enjoy the live experience.
The drums and bass of the music was just so real like if you was at the concert itself. You could hear every definition in the bass and different drums.. and if you were a drummer, you might could guess which drumset and drumsticks where used  ;)

Well, I better finish up before making this much longer..but hard to keep it simple and short, after such an experience.
The C-4.1 is a very splendid and jawbreaking speaker indeed , but in some ways, the D-1 could perform maybe even better.
The way it can make the sound emerge totally down from the bottom ends , via midrange and to the highs and make this totally silence in music is very addictive.

So my 2-hour drive home was with the biggest smile on , that I could ever have :)

Cheers

Buch
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: deaf.eye on April 01, 2013, 22:00
Hi Buch,
What amps and source does Lars use?
Thanks
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Buch73 on April 02, 2013, 01:29
Hi Buch,
What amps and source does Lars use?
Thanks

Hi

Well, can see that Jonathan Valin has commented this from his visit:

"In Raidho's Pandrup listening room, Michael and Lars were using a Burmester (belt-driven) CD player for their source (not a tube unit). While they did have a turntable set up, they didn't yet have a phonostage on-site. Burmester electronics were also available, but on the day I listened Michael and Lars were using a prototype solid-state integrated amplifier to power the C 4.1s"

It was a Burmester CDP , I also heard (not sure which model) and also there was the prototype amp. 
But know Raidho has been used Burmester amps as well earlier and lately some new Jeff Rowland Monoblocks.
Think both would have been really great too.
I did not hear any vinyl.. did not have that much time.

BR
Buch
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 4music on April 04, 2013, 01:03
What is the best amplifier for the Raidho D-1? Comments please?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: otagaz on April 04, 2013, 11:11
there is a 2013 euro price list (VAT included) in here for the D and C series line up.. http://highendstore.eu/component/k2/item/74-raidho.html
is the local dealer price competitive? i had couple of quotes which had me think otherwise.. well may be if i put my money down i get better deal.. :)



Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on April 05, 2013, 01:21
Hi Buch73,

Many thanks for sharing your observations on the Raidho D-1 loudspeaker.

Silence, blackness, dynamics, top to bottom coherence - are all adjectives which I have also observed in the Raidho C-Series and D-Series loudspeakers during auditions.

Of course, the most important sign of loudspeaker design success comes not from the adjectives; but the smile on ones face, during playback and afterwards..... ;D


Regards
1AM

Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Raidho on April 06, 2013, 15:12
Hi,

Buch and I had a great day together in our factory.. For both Michael and I it is always a great pleasure to have visitors.. And by the way it is an invitation to you all to come to see us, if you should come to Denmark..
In the last few weeks we have been preparing the Munich Show, and this year we will have on display the whole D-Series in Raidho Room.. Our Raidho C-4.1 will be on display in the Solution room..

Michael is on he's way to Singapore and he is looking forward to see you guys.  I sure you will find the meeting with Michael of highly interest.

And of cause you have the change to listen to our Raidho D-1's.

Take care and have a nice week end.

Kind regards
Lars
The Raidho Viking
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on April 08, 2013, 07:30



We Welcome Michael Borresen to Singapore and look forward to his presentation this evening!




Bro's,

Below is a copy of the invite.  Suggest you register early as I believe seating is limited.




(http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af12/notrace_photo/Invitation_latest_zps43fa7dde.jpg)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on April 08, 2013, 13:06
I have booked a place for Tuesday. Anyone else going?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: watchdog on April 08, 2013, 13:53
I'll be there today after work.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on April 08, 2013, 15:55
There is no formal agenda for the evening. It is a free and easy session. According to Kelvin, 8pm they will shutting the doors for the night.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on April 08, 2013, 19:42
Thanks Michael for the great Raidho session and AVI for organising the event.

Great to see many familiar faces and new ones...


Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on April 08, 2013, 21:02
Raidho Acoustics D-1 Product Launch


Around 20 audiophiles turned up for the first session today and all appeared to enjoy the expansive and deep sound-stage created by the Raidho D-1 loudspeaker.

The sonic result was all the more impressive considering a modest Oppo player was used for the source.

Michael played some fabulous music from diverse musicians including The Mighty Echos, The Xx, The Fairfield Four, Allan Taylor and more... and provided attendees with his thoughts on on various elements loudspeaker design and scientific study in sound perception.




(http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af12/notrace_photo/IMG-20130408-00225_zps8b751625.jpg)

Photo:  Michael Borresen in action; Raidho Acoustic D-1 loudspeaker (left), Oppo Source, Devialet D-Premier dual mono amplification, Ansuz Acoustics cabling together with Sparkz sound enhancement and Darkz decoupling
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on April 08, 2013, 22:08
Alamak. Forget to ask michael who's the ladies group - the opera singer and cello and the cd he was playing.

Only can remember to ask the 50w question. ..
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: westendboy on April 08, 2013, 22:30
Wooh... The XX  :o. He has great taste  8)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: mingzhen on April 09, 2013, 07:25
He also used Alt-J's music to demo, my great discovery last year
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: westendboy on April 09, 2013, 07:43
Wow... Alt-J some more. Now I am even more impressed.  :o

Most of these Hifi demos so like to use the usual vocal tracks by the usual suspects that I am so sick of it. It's nice to know Raidho can showcase 'real' kick-ass music like The XX and Alt-J. If I didn't have anything on tonight I would so love to go listen.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: mingzhen on April 09, 2013, 08:00
Yeah I think the designer does have a good taste of music. In fact I did bring the Bastille's "Bad Blood" CD, which was recorded at Abbey Road Studio to test, but no chance to bring out to test.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: westendboy on April 09, 2013, 08:04
Mingzhen bro, you have great taste too. Bastille's Bad Blood is the best new album I have heard so far this year.  ;)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: mingzhen on April 09, 2013, 08:06
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f207/tiansoon/IMG_5167_zpsddda2764.jpg)

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f207/tiansoon/IMG_5171_zps19bdc0d7.jpg)

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f207/tiansoon/IMG_5173_zpsc8387c88.jpg)

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f207/tiansoon/IMG_5175_zps56c1e189.jpg)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: mingzhen on April 09, 2013, 08:08
Mingzhen bro, you have great taste too. Bastille's Bad Blood is the best new album I have heard so far this year.  ;)

Yeah my current favorite. :) And the CD recording is good too.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on April 09, 2013, 10:25
I am planning my schedule to visit the launch this evening. For those who went yesterday, will allocating 2 hours there be sufficient time to complete the event?

TIA
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: mingzhen on April 09, 2013, 10:56
I am planning my schedule to visit the launch this evening. For those who went yesterday, will allocating 2 hours there be sufficient time to complete the event?

TIA

Yeah it's sufficient.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on April 09, 2013, 11:04
I am planning my schedule to visit the launch this evening. For those who went yesterday, will allocating 2 hours there be sufficient time to complete the event?

TIA

I went for over an hour. But had to leave early to pick up kids from skool.

Very interesting Raidho history/background from Mike and the music that he played. Even the C1.1 sounded so much better than what I've heard previously.

Anyway, it's good that Kimmy from North Korea does not know any of the Raidho technology...so shhh...
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: mingzhen on April 09, 2013, 11:07
I am not good in using words to describe sound. After the AB comparison between C1.1 and D1, I could only use one word to describe the D1 sound quality, which is more "real". I was surprised that the C1.1 and D1 could fill the big room with sound, very impressive indeed.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 5th Avenue on April 09, 2013, 11:55
Anyone knows the $$$$ damage of these speakers... ;D
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: watchdog on April 09, 2013, 13:45
I asked the dealer whether I needed to sell any of my organs to purchase this ? He laughed but did mention that the D1 is one of the most expensive bookshelf speakers in the world.

The C1.1 is slightly above 20k, and the D1 is 31k. Price includes stands and only applies to standard black / white finish. Wood is extra.

Anyone knows the $$$$ damage of these speakers... ;D
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: jerome_the_lang on April 09, 2013, 15:31
Has anyone heard Francis's evolution acoustics entry level speakers and then this new d1?

What do you think?

The ea is supposedly time-aligned.
I'm not sure about the raidho, but I think it is probably not.
Do you notice any difference in the way sound imaging is projected from these 2 bookshelf speakers?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: watchdog on April 09, 2013, 19:00
It was my first time hearing a Raidho speaker. Apart from its shocking dynamics and power handling, I was pleasantly surprised that the tonal balance was quite musical and sweet as opposed to the hyper analytical presentation of some of the other stand mounted speakers I've listened to.

I've not heard the Magico but the only other stand mount I've heard so far that can give the D1 a fight is the TAD CR-1.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on April 09, 2013, 20:50
What impressed me most about the D1 was the articulation and coherence even at the low volume level the speakers were played at (around 65dB), and the wide dispersion. Even when I moved away from dead centre to wide off the centre, the tonal balance did not change and there still was imaging.

The Raidho  (pronounced as Ride-ho) D1 is a very classy bookshelf, with a price to match. Great for homes where there is volume level restriction. I was able to hold a conversation while the music was playing, we had no need to raise our voices to be heard. Yet the music still had all the emotions and dynamics despite the low volume.

When moving from C1.1 to D1, it took all of 30 seconds to hear how much better the D1 is. It has to be, to justify the 50% higher price. It was better in all aspects over the C1.1. In the D1, the tweeter takes over from the diamond coated woofer at 3kHz,  and goes all the way to 50KHz. Even though the diamond covered woofer operates just from 50Hz to 3Khz, it makes a significant contribution to sound quality.     
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on April 09, 2013, 22:32

[...] Great for homes where there is volume level restriction.



For homes without a volume level restriction there is always the Raidho D-2, Raidho D-3 or heaven forbid, but eventually the Raidho D-4.....  ;D   
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on April 09, 2013, 23:48

For homes without a volume level restriction there is always the Raidho D-2, Raidho D-3 or heaven forbid, but eventually the Raidho D-4.....  ;D   

And the same households should be without financial constraints too, considering that the D1 starts from $30,000!   :o
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: joamonte on April 10, 2013, 10:26
Wow $30,000....not easy to sell, lots of things can buy with this money.
Title: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Doggie Howser on April 10, 2013, 10:30
Wow $30,000....not easy to sell, lots of things can buy with this money.

I thought Marten Coltrane Altos are also not that much cheaper?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: joamonte on April 10, 2013, 11:24
I thought Marten Coltrane Altos are also not that much cheaper?

Thats why Marten no longer have this model.. ;D...

....furthermore, the Alto is 3 way speaker and the box is twice the size of D1....

I sure those who think that their room is too small for floor stander and lots of budget in hand might consider this speaker, but I think those with this budget in hand will know they have lots of other alternatives, and would not mind to spend a little more on some other slight bigger speaker ....

....this D1 is not easy to sell in the busniess point of view (maybe hence the high price? egg first or chicken first?)


 ;D
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: joamonte on April 10, 2013, 11:34
On a second thought.....

It seem nowasday it is common things for high end audio to set their price higher and higher, 10 or 20 years ago, $30k can buy a whole set of very high end system, but now it is only a price of a pair of high end small speaker, I cant imagine 10 year later how thing will like....$100k for a pair of SOTA small high end speaker?

Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Quest on April 10, 2013, 11:40
On a second thought.....

It seem nowasday it is common things for high end audio to set their price higher and higher, 10 or 20 years ago, $30k can buy a whole set of very high end system, but now it is only a price of a pair of high end small speaker, I cant imagine 10 year later how thing will like....$100k for a pair of SOTA small high end speaker?
Lots of different factors but even value of money is different.
$30k 20 years ago, if accounted for just 5% inflation each year would be $80k today.
Title: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Doggie Howser on April 10, 2013, 11:48
Q1 is also 2 way, right?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on April 10, 2013, 12:21
Q1 is also 2 way, right?

Right, the Magico Q1 is also a 2-way design.   It is also a little over $30,000.....   
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: watchdog on April 10, 2013, 13:41
I suppose the value proposition would always be in question at that kind of price bracket. I wonder whether the cost would come done if they were able to increase production ? I must imagine that a lot of the cost comes from their in-house drivers.

AV Intelligence was very nice to offer me a hometrial but since I want to keep my internal organs, I can't take them up on their offer.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: altis72 on April 10, 2013, 15:40
I dropped by the showroom yesterday evening. Was sitted at the last row enjoying the music and very impressed with the D1  :)

By the way does anyone know the name of the Swedish group (2 girls?) which was played?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: ht.chua on April 10, 2013, 16:21
I was there at 5pm and the song is:
Dire Straits Why Worry by Lise & Gertrud
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: westendboy on April 10, 2013, 16:48
By the way does anyone know the name of the Swedish group (2 girls?) which was played?

I wasn't there but I am guessing it's First Aid Kit. He may have played from The Lion's Roar album. I am guessing this?

http://www.youtube.com/v/nPWrX9PJAOs&feature=youtube_gdata_player&fs=1
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: ht.chua on April 10, 2013, 17:42
http://youtu.be/goJoQS9VS90
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: altis72 on April 10, 2013, 17:46
thanks guys for your replies. i think hi.chua is correct.
too bad I could not locate this song in their albums, only on youtube.
http://www.liseochgertrud.se/en/shop/
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Charnel on April 10, 2013, 17:55
I went to listen on the launch on the 2nd day. The D1 impressive. It sounds big and much better than the C1.1. Great ambience at AV showroom.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: durianlover88 on April 10, 2013, 18:00
Today is busy day...just completed packing up after a titanic AB at my place with the Raidho D1 and the Magico Q1.
Also have the honor of Michael coming to my humble den with Oey before he flew off to Shanghai. Later the very professional setup by the Magico team as well..apologies I did not remember to take pictures because really busy changing cd after cd.

It is very headache...both have their merits...need to think bery hard.
It could likely be a tussle between D2 versus Q3 instead....will sit on it for the moment with broler Sam.
Thanks to B3 and Broler G for your help too :)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: otagaz on April 10, 2013, 18:40
Today is busy day...just completed packing up after a titanic AB at my place with the Raidho D1 and the Magico Q1.
Also have the honor of Michael coming to my humble den with Oey before he flew off to Shanghai. Later the very professional setup by the Magico team as well..apologies I did not remember to take pictures because really busy changing cd after cd.

It is very headache...both have their merits...need to think bery hard.
It could likely be a tussle between D2 versus Q3 instead....will sit on it for the moment with broler Sam.
Thanks to B3 and Broler G for your help too :)

wow! what a shoot out! literally "heavy" vs. the "light "weight design approach...
curious on what were the set up in the front?

i spent a short audition at AV on the D1 but quite extensive one on Q1 in adelphi....
so not an A/B but let me try....

the D1 micro dynamics edges a bit better than the Q1?
the D1 has better layering and images wider, but Q1 goes a bit deeper...
both are fast, may be the D1 a bit faster...?
the Q1 a little more "together" in the total delivery and tighter in the bass and more tuneful?


i think both are well designed and it all boils down to sound preferences..
D2 comes to mind for me even though i have yet to listen to it.. so for me D2 vs. TAD CR1.. or is the TAD even in the league?









Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on April 10, 2013, 18:46

[...] Today is busy day...just completed packing up after a titanic AB at my place with the Raidho D1 and the Magico Q1.

[...]  It is very headache...both have their merits...



Wow DL88, sounds like fun and 走火入魔, 等毒发...

Please share with us the merits of each speaker (Raidho D-1 & Magico Q1) as you heard them in your system.

What speakers are you looking at replacing?

1AM
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: durianlover88 on April 10, 2013, 20:24
Thanks 1AM, neber know you know mandarin :)

As broler Otagaz said, both speakers are really great instruments of articulation. Did not wish to elaborate to be fair to both vendors. Personal preference matters, so the 4 of us came back with our own thoughts, and IMO eben some points mentioned by broler Otagaz I could not agree. So it is really headache time...but a worthwhile headache I must say...for me it will be D2/D3 versus Q3. I need them in my room again for the final decider. I certainly hope the sessions today help my broler Sam more in his D1/Q1 decision.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: deaf.eye on April 10, 2013, 21:12
wow! what a shoot out! literally "heavy" vs. the "light "weight design approach...

It was interesting to learn that the bonding of the ceramic and diamond onto the aluminium diaphram was a process invented by the Israelis for armour-plating.  As explained by Michael, kevlar is a weave and tungsten rounds can pierce through the weave-gaps.  So this special bonding process sandwich is put in front of the Kevlar to lessen the energy of the tungsten round.

The D1 is of the "stiff and light" school of design and eschew "mass".
Light ribbon tweeter, light driver diaphram, light cabinet, light stands - all these factors contribute to dissipating energy quickly.
I like the D1 sound, the design direction and technology it has taken.
Quite a lot of technology in these speakers, and thus reflected in its price.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on April 10, 2013, 22:16
It was interesting to learn that the bonding of the ceramic and diamond onto the aluminium diaphram was a process invented by the Israelis for armour-plating.  As explained by Michael, kevlar is a weave and tungsten rounds can pierce through the weave-gaps.  So this special bonding process sandwich is put in front of the Kevlar to lessen the energy of the tungsten round.


As I heard the story from Michael, ceramic is used in the bullet proof vest (or armour) to blunt the tip of the incoming projectile thereby slowing it down, dissipating force and allow subsequent layers of protection to stop penetration.

Personally, I liked the story about the US Marine Corps interest in (and purchase of) the Raidho tweeters for "unspecified use".   Now I know that I own something special for sure.    ;D
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: otagaz on April 11, 2013, 08:59
Thanks 1AM, neber know you know mandarin :)

As broler Otagaz said, both speakers are really great instruments of articulation. Did not wish to elaborate to be fair to both vendors. Personal preference matters, so the 4 of us came back with our own thoughts, and IMO eben some points mentioned by broler Otagaz I could not agree. So it is really headache time...but a worthwhile headache I must say...for me it will be D2/D3 versus Q3. I need them in my room again for the final decider. I certainly hope the sessions today help my broler Sam more in his D1/Q1 decision.


fair enough...
the D1 might have less than 70 hours on them when i listened to them therefore bass comparison comment. I read in audiogon a chap swore the bass become tight after clocking the run time..so good stuff then.

can I gate crash when you do the D2 vs. Q3 tie breaker session? :)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: style on April 11, 2013, 18:55
Raidho D1 vs Magico Q1 -> D1

Raidho D2 vs Magico Q3 -> Q3


Magico Q3 vs Magico S5 -> S5 !!

Magico Q5 is a hard speaker to drive....are really only 80dB!!!!( not the 87dB? declared)  the Q3 is more "drivable" but the S5 is really without any problem, play with much more pleasure, more punch, more.....enjoy!!!
Q series sound too controlled, very "prissy", perfect S5 very addictive......truly engaging!!!

Style



Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: mingzhen on April 15, 2013, 17:15
"I thought the Raidho D-1 loudspeaker ($28,000/pair, including stands), was among the most interesting and musically impressive new products at SSI. Raidho, a Danish company known for their work with ultra-lightweight ceramics, has developed a process for bonding to their speaker diaphragms a thin coat of industrial diamond, conferring even greater stiffness and freedom from unwanted resonances. Paired with a Jeff Rowland Aeris D/A converter and Jeff Rowland 625 power amplifier, the Raidhos were impressive on a variety of material. We’ve all heard demonstrations where we came away saying, “I can’t believe they got so much bass out of such little loudspeakers,” but in terms of the sheer quality and scale of that bass, the Raidho/Rowland combination was on another plane altogether." Art Dudley, Stereophile

http://www.stereophile.com/content/raidho-and-rowland#.UVX7CQL92_Q.facebook (http://www.stereophile.com/content/raidho-and-rowland#.UVX7CQL92_Q.facebook)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: meatballz on April 24, 2013, 23:43
http://www.stereophile.com/content/raidho-vac-nordost-audience-sound-singer

slim speakers with monster price. pk
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on April 25, 2013, 08:11

[...] slim speakers with monster price. pk


Yep, it is unfortunate that price will preclude ownership for many.

But, have a listen to what Andrew Singer - who has been in the audio business for 35 years - has to say about the Raidho D-2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-arb-4NA__Y

Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on April 25, 2013, 08:48
Juz for anyone who is interested. The D2s are in AVI's show room.

...and it is wWWwwwoooOOOOOOOOOooooaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAhhhhhhhh out of the box!

Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: joamonte on April 25, 2013, 12:47
Juz for anyone who is interested. The D2s are in AVI's show room.

...and it is wWWwwwoooOOOOOOOOOooooaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAhhhhhhhh out of the box!



"wWWwwwoooOOOOOOOOOooooaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAhhhhhhhh" is good or bad??
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: jimi on April 25, 2013, 12:51
"wWWwwwoooOOOOOOOOOooooaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAhhhhhhhh" is good or bad??

Ha ha!

Its also the sound your money makes when it flies out of your account.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: watchdog on April 25, 2013, 13:52
That had better be the reaction for the asking price.

Juz for anyone who is interested. The D2s are in AVI's show room.

...and it is wWWwwwoooOOOOOOOOOooooaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAhhhhhhhh out of the box!


Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: style on April 25, 2013, 16:16
At the End...:

the D Raidho  speakers are really sooo much better vs the C serie?

You changet a C3.1 with a D1?  :P
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: meatballz on April 25, 2013, 17:42
Juz for anyone who is interested. The D2s are in AVI's show room.

...and it is wWWwwwoooOOOOOOOOOooooaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAhhhhhhhh out of the box!



tat is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ OUT OF THE BOX. ;D
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on April 25, 2013, 18:11
At the End...:

the D Raidho  speakers are really sooo much better vs the C serie?


At the End...:     The Raidho D-Series loudspeaker is quite an advance on the C-Series.

During his visit to Singapore earlier this month, Raidho's Chief Engineer, Michael Børresen, made quite a compelling case for D-Series by simply playing some demo music through the C-Series speaker and then following that by playing the same music through the D-Series.     I don't think there was much doubt in a room full of listeners which was better...   
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on May 11, 2013, 09:19
Raidho family (and Mike) at Munich Highend 2013.

(http://my-hiend.com/leoyeh/2013b/IMG_2941ss.jpg)

(http://my-hiend.com/leoyeh/2013b/IMG_2943ss.jpg)



Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on May 11, 2013, 10:35
Wow, that is a pretty "bright" room
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on May 11, 2013, 11:21
Forget to add:

.... and ansuz's D series cables and sparkz in the background
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on May 16, 2013, 21:15
Finally spotted the prototype!

(http://my-hiend.com/leoyeh/2013b/IMG_2944ss.jpg)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on May 17, 2013, 00:16
Finally spotted the prototype!


The phono amp?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on May 29, 2013, 16:08
Review of Raidho Acoustics D-1 (http://www.audiophilia.com/wp/?p=10766) by audiophilia.

(http://www.audiophilia.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/raidhoreview.jpg)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on May 30, 2013, 13:45
Review of Raidho Acoustics D-1 (http://www.audiophilia.com/wp/?p=10766) by audiophilia.



An interesting read.   Thanks for posting BT.

Just a little disappointing the reviewer did not mention the partnering equipment.    Context is always important.

Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: james46 on May 30, 2013, 15:32
The phono amp?
'

That turntable / phono system look like China made Amari...now call Hans
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on June 12, 2013, 10:35
Sharing a youtube vid of Raidho during Munich 2013 and interview with Mike.

http://www.youtube.com/v/HkBF-LeW9ek&fs=1
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: murphys33 on June 16, 2013, 13:28
i recently auditioned the raidho D2 and the magico Q5. Found both speakers a tad too bright and wonder if this has to do with the acoustic settings of their respective showrooms or the accompanying electronics. Would be keen to hear the opinions of current raidho or magico owners.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on June 16, 2013, 17:48
i recently auditioned the raidho D2 and the magico Q5. Found both speakers a tad too bright and wonder if this has to do with the acoustic settings of their respective showrooms or the accompanying electronics. Would be keen to hear the opinions of current raidho or magico owners.


Hi Murphys33,

I own Raidho D-2 loudspeakers and have heard the Magico Q5.   I do not consider either to be bright.

That said, your observation that “acoustics settings” can cloud the result is certainly correct.

One of the biggest problems in auditioning loudspeakers comes down to the unavoidable fact that the speaker is at the end of a chain of other components, and that chain (particularly the amplifier) will impose its own character on the signal the speaker reproduces.  Evaluate a speaker outside of your own system and one can easily draw some inaccurate conclusions about the nature and character of the loudspeaker.

Fortunately, I can from experience say that both Magico and Raidho have highly professional representation in Singapore – and if you have serious interest in either brand I am quite sure they would entertain you trying the speakers in your own system.  Only then will you know for sure whether either is right for you.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: durianlover88 on June 16, 2013, 18:05
Not sure I correct...D3 should compare with Q5....D2 should compare with Q3?
At least in terms of price range they should be comparable...imho.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on June 16, 2013, 18:58
Not sure I correct...D3 should compare with Q5....D2 should compare with Q3?
At least in terms of price range they should be comparable...imho.


Looking at respective list prices I’d say you are correct DL.

Raidho D-2  US$44k
Magico Q3   US$39k

My guess is the Q5’s (US$ 60k) were set up on the day the OP visited the dealer.   :)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Buch73 on June 23, 2013, 16:49
Here is a new clip with Michael explaining the technical processes behind the ceramic and diamond drivers.
Very interesting  :)

http://http://youtu.be/wsC4Cl_rt8w

Buch
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: altis72 on July 03, 2013, 11:32
I was in Bangkok last weekend for the 2013 TAV (Thailand Audio Video) Show and took a photo of the D-3 / AMR setup which was very impressive. The list price of the D-3 in Thailand is Baht 1,995,000 / USD 66,500 / SGD 83,000.

(http://i40.tinypic.com/9jk3zp.jpg)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: nfnc on July 07, 2013, 00:45
New (first?) review of the Raidho D-1 by Wojciech Pacula from Hi Fidelity Poland:

http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/raidho/1.html

Detailed review, including description of the construction and parts quality. 
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on July 08, 2013, 08:36
New (first?) review of the Raidho D-1 by Wojciech Pacula from Hi Fidelity Poland:

http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/raidho/1.html

Detailed review, including description of the construction and parts quality. 



Thanks nfnc,

I believe this to be the second review of Raidho’s amazing D-1 loudspeaker.

The first one is here

http://www.audiophilia.com/wp/?p=10766


What are we to make of this second review?    If this were the Muppet show – I am quite sure the two disagreeable balconied old men – Waldorf and Statler – would surely be crying out, “Rubbish”.

Here is why:

1.   Wojciech Pacula notes that the only difference between the C1 and D1 loudspeakers is the laters use of a diamond coated mid/woofer.   This is simply not true.   The D1 features a new cross-over design and new resonators.   Whilst not visible they contribute to the D1’s sonics.

2.   Mr. Pacula clearly did not consider that the use of Tara Labs Omega Onyx loudspeaker cables is not appropriate at all with these speakers.   The cables are too heavy and he notes that to compensate a pile of booked needed to be placed on the base of the stand.  ::)  Duh!   By doing that you completely undo the design integrity of the stand and its capability to execute its design goal.   The stands were deliberately designed by Lars to move when the loudspeaker is playing dynamic music.  They must move as this is an essential part of the Raidho ethos / design – the release and not the storage of energy.    Lightweight Nordost or Ansuz (or similar) speaker cables are recommended.

3.   The feet of the D1 are already designed to pass energy from the speaker to the floor.  Parking the stand on additional platforms is usually not recommended.
 
4.   The photos show a reflective Panasonic screen between the two loudspeakers.   Unless covered the screen will have a negative impact on soundstage and image.   Ditto for the parking of the equipment rack between the speakers.

5.   The photos show the speakers to be located to close to the front wall.  One hopes the speakers were further pulled into the room for listening as the Raidho’s need distance between them and the front wall to really strut their stuff.  Too close to the front wall and the soundstage quickly becomes unappealingly flat.

6.   I was amazed to read that after swopping between Harbeth M40.1’s and the Raidho’s D1 – Mr. Pacula could hardly find any tonal differences?   ???

7.   Mr. Pacula makes the claim that, “While I still think that the Dynaudio tweeter of the old Sonus faber Electa Amator has even more resolution and delicacy, the difference is not large by any means”.  While there is no reason to doubt what Mr. Pacula heard – I do believe what he heard was far less than the product is capable of.   Beyond ruining the speaker’s performance by placing heavy books on the base of the speaker stand he goes on to align the speakers “without much toe-in”.   This seemingly ignores Raidho’s recommended and documented set up instructions and in my experience would further reduce the speaker’s capabilities.  Set up properly the resolution of the sealed planar tweeter really is stunning and contrary to Pacula’s claims decays, reverb and details located deep in the back of the soundstage are not covered what’s in front of them…   They are in fact very audible adding enormously to the listening pleasure.

In sum, I find the review very disappointing.   While the reviewer sings praise for the speaker, his review is flawed by inaccurate information and very poor execution of set up and therefore we really can’t take any conclusions he makes as valid – whether they be good or bad.   



Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: nfnc on July 08, 2013, 16:34
I didn’t quite know what to make of the review, and refrained from commenting. The review was effusive, yet one would be hard pressed to get a sense of how the speaker sounds, or to get any correlation with the impressions from my brief listen to them when Michael Børresen was in town in April this year.  The difference between the C1 and D1 was rather startling!  (Btw, were you that one ang mo that asked Michael questions about the sealed box vs ported box design and the different design philosophies between Magicos and Raidhos?)

Yes, it was puzzling why the stand was not used as designed since it is integral to the sound of the D1.  Having owned Harbeths in the past, it does not take much to conclude that significant total differences exist between these two brands.   Plus, having the big 40.1s acting as a secondary side/back wall about 1-2 feet behind the D1s must not have helped.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: watchdog on July 08, 2013, 19:32
I feel that the review quality of that particular publication has become a little bit spotty. Trim the descriptions and philosophy, and some of the reviews say dangerously very little about the actual sound of the item being reviewed.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on July 09, 2013, 07:57

[...] Btw, were you that one ang mo that asked Michael questions about the sealed box vs ported box design and the different design philosophies between Magicos and Raidhos?


Yes.  That was me.  I have great respect for both brands.   I used Michael Børresen's visit to ask questions around loudspeaker design like seal vs. ported, dispersion characteristics of the Raidho tweeter and other performance metrics.   I was amazed that the Raidho D-1 measures the same as the Raidho C-1.1 as this raises interesting questions on how and what we hear?   When Alon Wolf (the Magico chief) was in town for the Q7 launch (last year) - I used the opportunity to ask him the same sorts of questions.   We are very fortunate to have such visits.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: otagaz on July 09, 2013, 08:45
coincidentally i too quizzed Michael in great length when he was in town during D1 launch, on magico design philosophy, comparison of ported vs. non ported design, for a moment i thought nfnc was referring to me but i for sure an asian looking chap on that tuesday evening session. hahaha!

the D series is an amazing speakers for sure but Pacula did write something in accord with my impression on the bass front on the D1.  Raidho set up requirements to be away from wall with significant distance becomes prohibitive for me too in my current restrictive listening room. May be next time... in the mean time TAD replaces the magico..
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: nfnc on July 10, 2013, 00:56
I was amazed that the Raidho D-1 measures the same as the Raidho C-1.1 as this raises interesting questions on how and what we hear?

Yes, I was surprised that Michael admitted that there were no measurable differences between the C1.1 and D1, yet, anyone at the demonstration could clearly hear the differences between both; cleaner, blacker, more palpable and deeper, more dynamic, bass.  I suppose, like jitter, measurements may be developed in future that could explain how and why certain components sound they way they do.  Until then, nothing beats your own ears.  But, sometimes, one cannot always audition all components and must rely upon reviews/the listening impressions of other "trusted ears".

coincidentally i too quizzed Michael in great length when he was in town during D1 launch, on magico design philosophy, comparison of ported vs. non ported design, for a moment i thought nfnc was referring to me but i for sure an asian looking chap on that tuesday evening session. hahaha!


Thought it was 1AM from the photos he posted from the first night, second session.  Recognised some of the guys in the pictures.  It was a good session as there were tons of questions posed. 
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Rufus McDufus on July 10, 2013, 18:28
Hi - new Raidho owner here. Bought some used C-1.1s witha view to upgrading to D-1. Very happy indeed, marvellous speakers!

Before I hijack the thread with my question - yes I don't rate the 6moons review too highly either. Books on the speaker stands defeats the object of the design!  Also the crossovers & internal cabling differ too don't they? I understood there was Odin in the D-1.


My question is, and I can see there's been discussion already, what speaker cables do people prefer with Raidho?   I currently have my old Audiovector Zero cable which doesn't work very well with Raidho (too muted in the upper frequencies). I'm borrowing Nordost Red Dawn LS and they work a lot better.  For a 'budget' cable I think I'd be happy with them, but I feel I can do better still (but don't want to go too far with prices).   I use Chord Sarum Tuned ARAY interconnects which I'm very happy with but I'm conscious Raidho were probably voiced using Nordost (and perhaps Ansuz in future?).   
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Hyperion on July 10, 2013, 18:35
Nordost and Anzus are very safe options - obvious and proven synergy with Raidho. Start there :)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on July 11, 2013, 08:17


[...]  My question is, and I can see there's been discussion already, what speaker cables do people prefer with Raidho?   I currently have my old Audiovector Zero cable which doesn't work very well with Raidho (too muted in the upper frequencies). I'm borrowing Nordost Red Dawn LS and they work a lot better.  For a 'budget' cable I think I'd be happy with them, but I feel I can do better still (but don't want to go too far with prices).   I use Chord Sarum Tuned ARAY interconnects which I'm very happy with but I'm conscious Raidho were probably voiced using Nordost (and perhaps Ansuz in future?).   


Welcome to the forum and the Raidho thread.   Congratulations on the C-1.1 purchase.

Raidho Acoustics have been using Nordost cables for years - both to wire the speakers internals (Valhalla & Odin) and for listening tests.   Further, until the advent of Ansuz, Raidho used Nordost cables exclusively to demonstrate their products at HiFi shows.   So I think these facts hold some clues!     Nordost and Ansuz cables share some common ground / characteristics in that both are low inductance and lightweight designs.

Personally I use Nordost Heimdall speaker cable terminated with Norse Series Jumpers.   I am very pleased with the results.   Photo below




(http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af12/notrace_photo/6Onlyonewaytoconnectup_zpse7a2f66e.jpg)




Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: MrAcoustat on July 12, 2013, 19:40
Not always Nordost cables, shown with the D-1s i think those are Tranparent Audio cables right ?????.

http://www.stereophile.com/images/032313-Raidho-600.jpg
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Rufus McDufus on July 13, 2013, 01:41
Nice picture! Funnily enough the Transparent Ultra have recently cropped up on my radar as a friend has got excellent results with them and Wilson Sophias.   I'm a big fan of Chord Sarum and would also like to give them a try (I have Sarum TA interconnects).
I've been auditioning Red Dawn LS & Heimdall 2 (without jumpers - does it make a big difference?).    The RD is well balanced but feels a little coarse. It images really strongly but it feels a little artificial, like a 3D postcard rather than the real thing!   The Heimdall 2 - wow, mega-bass! Lovely clarity throughout the frequency range but I feel like I have too much bass, from these tiny speakers! It's insane! I find it a little fatiguing but maybe I'm just not accustomed to it. It's very good indeed. I need to try other things just to confirm but it is top of my list so far.    Wish I could afford Valhalla... (or Odin)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Buch73 on July 13, 2013, 02:56
Hi Rufus

I too also suggest Nordost or Ansuz cabling.
I think you just need to get accustomed to the great Raidho bass output  :) I am sure , you will appreciate it later on..
Everytime, I upgraded within Nordost, I also got more and more bass. But also much more resolution in the bottom, so you can better hear the differences.
I had Nordost for the last 15 years or so, but just replaced them with the Ansuz cables and I can tell you, I have not regretted it in any way. So instead of dreaming of Valhalla and Odin, I suggest you ask your Raidho dealer, to let you try some Ansuz cables  :D
Lars demonstrates them in A/B demonstration against the Odin and the winner is not the Odin....

Buch
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on July 13, 2013, 09:32
Not always Nordost cables, shown with the D-1s i think those are Tranparent Audio cables right ?????.

http://www.stereophile.com/images/032313-Raidho-600.jpg


Dear Mr. Acoustat (Esq.)

I believe the above photo comes from 2013 Montreal HiFi show (SSI Expo).

Those are Transparent Reference MM2 speaker cables and Raidho Acoustics does not use them in their own demonstrations...

The system belonged to Audio Pathways Inc. a Canadian Distributor.

My guess is Audio Pathways does not carry Nordost or Ansuz.....   So they use whatever they have available or to sell.   Unfortunate.




Hi Rufus

I too also suggest Nordost or Ansuz cabling.

I think you just need to get accustomed to the great Raidho bass output  :) I am sure , you will appreciate it later on..
Everytime, I upgraded within Nordost, I also got more and more bass. But also much more resolution in the bottom, so you can better hear the differences.

I had Nordost for the last 15 years or so, but just replaced them with the Ansuz cables and I can tell you, I have not regretted it in any way. So instead of dreaming of Valhalla and Odin, I suggest you ask your Raidho dealer, to let you try some Ansuz cables  :D
Lars demonstrates them in A/B demonstration against the Odin and the winner is not the Odin....

Buch

Spot on Buch.   It is not just about bass output.  It is also about bass speed and definition and these are areas where the Raidho’s excel.

I have also heard Ansuz vs. Nordost cables in the same system and agree with you although I have yet to undertake a comparison in my own system so I have yet to reach a final conclusion.   There does seem to be something special about the Ansuz design.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Raidho on August 03, 2013, 15:42
Hi,

At the Montreal Show I was demoing our Raidho D-1 with a Transparent cable loom for the first time ever :)
Because our Canadian distributor want me to do.. And in fact it sounded great, specially the Reference MM 2 speaker cables sounded fantastic... By the way we did have a few Ansuz products in the system, Maybe you could find a number of Sparkz and Mainz of Ansuz there.

Kind regards
Lars
The Raidho Viking
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: deaf.eye on August 04, 2013, 18:50
I like the D3!!!
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on August 16, 2013, 11:44


(http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af12/notrace_photo/RaidhoatModDac2013_zpsb429d216.jpg)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Buch73 on August 22, 2013, 02:39
Did any of you guys visit the Raidho stand at the MOD DAC 2013?

Saw some pictures and looked like they were playing with Devialet amps?
How was the sound like ?  :)

Buch
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Sabai on September 05, 2013, 15:16
Buch73,

I was at the MOD DAC 2013 show. I spent most of my time in the AV Intelligence Raidho room. The D1s were playing and they were truly amazing. But with room treatment the sound could have been much better, IMO.

Sabai
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Livemusic on September 07, 2013, 10:59
Wondering how c1.1's fare with tube amps. It seems they are mostly shown with solid state. Any experience out there with tubes?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: watchdog on September 07, 2013, 11:06
I asked this question to Michael and he said that the quality of watts is most important. He said he has heard some good pairings but mainly in the 100 watts upward category. He thought you may be able to get away with lower subject to room size and listening level
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on September 07, 2013, 11:36
I asked Michael the same question with the D1. His reply was in Denmark, they play at low volumes in small apartments that are not noise proof. Hence the Raidhos are designed to be able to play at low volumes with no loss of definition or dynamics, which I found to be true of the D1.

Hence even if you use tubes, they need to be very good quality watts. Don't need many watts if your intention is to play at soft volume in a smallish room. But I doubt if the flea-powered SET tubes will be able to drive Raidhos well enough.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Sabai on September 07, 2013, 14:24
I am using an Atma-Sphere S-30 with my C1.1s. Its 30 watts per channel drive the speakers very well. My room is about 15 ft. x 15 ft. and I am at maximum volume between -10dB and -15dB on 99% of recordings. Low volume recordings have my pre-amp at -5dB. I am using Paul Speltz's Zero auto-transformers at 2x.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on September 08, 2013, 00:12
So far I have not managed to get the results I've looked for driving Raidhos with valve amplifiers.  The bass in particular has been compromised.   Mind you, I listen at relatively loud levels.  The one exception has been a very powerful VTL tube power amplifier which drove the Raidhos beautifully.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Sabai on September 08, 2013, 00:25
My Atma-Sphere S-30 is a tube amp -- OTL. I am getting are spectacular results with the Raidhos. There are a lot of things involved here. Cleaning AC is very important. Wires and cables are also very important. My system has become very sensitive to even small changes.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Buch73 on September 08, 2013, 03:34
You are absolutely right.. these things you mention, are all very important things for Raidho speakers.
They are all very sensitive to good and clean AC and powercords and all other cables in the system.
As well as all the electronics..they really benefit if they are very good quality..this is more important than power, all though, a lot of power gives a lot also to the speakers. But I would say quality first.
Also the decoupling of electronics and etc.. everything you do to your system with Raidho speakers , makes a change and you will be rewarded, everytime you do some "good" changes and you are told immediatly if you make changes , that are to the worse.
For this topic with tube amps, I have not tried any though..

Buch
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Sabai on September 08, 2013, 03:37
You hit the nail on the head here.

As far as tube amps are concerned, I had a top-of-the-line Marantz solid state amp for a long time. When I went with the Atma-Sphere there was no looking back. But it took about 6 months to find the perfect NOS tubes to optimize the SQ.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: pegken on September 08, 2013, 03:39
How important are the suspension stands for the D1's? Can you use mass loaded stands instead?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Sabai on September 08, 2013, 03:42
In the past I have done a lot of experimenting with bottom loading other speakers. But with the Raidhos I would not use any other stand or mess with bottom loading. Michael and Lars are so expert at what they do that I would not go anywhere else with the Raidhos.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: pegken on September 08, 2013, 04:03
Many thanks. I made the mistake of buying and using mass loaded stands on my D1's and the sound quality is not very good. Low to mid level bass lines sound muddy, "boomy" and at times ear numbing. Looks like I will have to get the suspension stands for these speakers!!
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Sabai on September 08, 2013, 04:11
You're welcome. The Raidho monitors are undoubtedly voiced with the stands. I find the sound is exquisite with my C1.1s -- after optimization of cables and wires.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on September 08, 2013, 11:11
Many thanks. I made the mistake of buying and using mass loaded stands on my D1's and the sound quality is not very good. Low to mid level bass lines sound muddy, "boomy" and at times ear numbing. Looks like I will have to get the suspension stands for these speakers!!

I am not surprised with your findings.  The ethos of Raidho design is release - rather than storage - of energy.  Many folks are quite shocked to discover that the C1/D1 stands actually sway back and forth when replaying music with heavy dynamics.  This is intentional!   Using the purpose built stands will allow you to hear the D1s true potential.  Congratulation by the way on the purchase.  I would be interested to know what else you auditioned prior to the purchase.   1AM.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Sabai on September 08, 2013, 16:47
I purchased my demo C1.1s from a Raidho dealer. I could not afford the D1s. I had the Joseph Audio Pulsars previously and I have auditioned many monitors and floor standers. I recently heard some MBLs, Dynacos, Sonus Fabers and the TAD CR1s. The sound of the latter did not please me. The sound stage and finesse were nowhere near the Raidho's. They also produce too big a sound for my room. The C1.1 sound struck me as totally amazing the first time I heard them. I do a lot of work with wires, cables and tweaks to optimize the sound. I use a lot of Bybee products in my system as well as a proprietary power conditioner.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on September 08, 2013, 21:44
My Atma-Sphere S-30 is a tube amp -- OTL. I am getting are spectacular results with the Raidhos. There are a lot of things involved here. Cleaning AC is very important. Wires and cables are also very important. My system has become very sensitive to even small changes.

I should note for the record that my experience with tube amps driving Raidhos excludes OTL designs. 

I've heard Raidhos on many different amplifiers and the only conclusion I've been able to draw thus far is that irrespective of claimed power output, it is the amplifiers power supply design that seems to hold the cards.  Raidhos shine on Amps that can hold up current.

I also agree on the importance of clean power and would further add that a clean earth advances the cause.

Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Sabai on September 08, 2013, 23:50
My C1.1s are a bit harder to drive than my Joseph Audio Pulsars were. But only marginally so -- about -2dB. Normally my pre-amp is at -10dB to -15dB -- but down to -5dB on recordings with lower production volume.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: pegken on September 09, 2013, 05:56
I am not surprised with your findings.  The ethos of Raidho design is release - rather than storage - of energy.  Many folks are quite shocked to discover that the C1/D1 stands actually sway back and forth when replaying music with heavy dynamics.  This is intentional!   Using the purpose built stands will allow you to hear the D1s true potential.  Congratulation by the way on the purchase.  I would be interested to know what else you auditioned prior to the purchase.   1AM.

Thanks for the reply. I actually was going to stay with Dynaudio speakers as I have had them for a few years. I never got a chance to listen to the D1's here in the states but went strickly by the many positive endorsement of these speakers from other owners or those who did get a chance to audition them personally. The many great reviews, the nice compact size of the speakers and working with a super audio dealer in Illinois made it an easy decision to buy them. Now my next bit of business is to get the suspension stands!!
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Sabai on September 09, 2013, 06:01
The stands are a must, IMO. Even if I could have afforded the D1s it would have meant finding another amp -- too many changes for me here. I am very happy with the C1.1s with my amp. As long as I don't have the D1s here to A/B I am fine.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: avantgarde1 on September 09, 2013, 23:30
I use 52 Watt Absolare Absolare.com SET tube amps on the D1's in a 18' wide X 35' long X 11' ceilings and it sounds incredible.  Have D3's arriving in the next few days, not sure how the Absolare amps will sound on the D3's but I am VERY curious to see.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Sabai on September 09, 2013, 23:45
Sounds wonderful to me.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on September 10, 2013, 09:15
I use 52 Watt Absolare Absolare.com SET tube amps on the D1's in a 18' wide X 35' long X 11' ceilings and it sounds incredible.  Have D3's arriving in the next few days, not sure how the Absolare amps will sound on the D3's but I am VERY curious to see.

Welcome to the forum and this thread Avantgarde.

Interested to know what genre of music and at what SPL you tend to play?

Does your choice of forum handle hint at background in high effeciency speakers with low powered SET amps?
The D3 in theory at least should be easier to drive than the D1.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on September 10, 2013, 09:23
Thanks for the reply. I actually was going to stay with Dynaudio speakers as I have had them for a few years. I never got a chance to listen to the D1's here in the states but went strickly by the many positive endorsement of these speakers from other owners or those who did get a chance to audition them personally. The many great reviews, the nice compact size of the speakers and working with a super audio dealer in Illinois made it an easy decision to buy them. Now my next bit of business is to get the suspension stands!!

Interesting.  I'm in correspondence with two other audiophiles who are in the process of jumping from version II and Signature Dynaudio C1s to Raidho C-1.1.   The Dynaudio is very good at its price point - but most seem to find Raidho in a higher league and vote with their wallets when the means allow. 

Please share your observations when you receive the purpose built stands.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Livemusic on September 10, 2013, 11:03
Many thanks. I made the mistake of buying and using mass loaded stands on my D1's and the sound quality is not very good. Low to mid level bass lines sound muddy, "boomy" and at times ear numbing. Looks like I will have to get the suspension stands for these speakers!!

Also you have to let the speakers break in.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: wyaw on September 10, 2013, 12:53
wooowahh...

Must give it a listen :)

If I got 35k I hoot the used c3.1 already.


Mav

Next week, my C4.1 will be driven by 4 x ASI Grand Monos.
That's 4 x 2400 whats.
My speakers actually don't need that kind of power. I just wanted to find out watt will happen.

I will also be receiving some foam from Lars later to improve the bass, a 10 minute DIY job inserted into the speakers.
As for upgrading to the D4.1, Lars said I have to wait. Around 1 year. To big to be Diamonised at the moment. 
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: francishuang on September 10, 2013, 18:10
Next week, my C4.1 will be driven by 4 x ASI Grand Monos.
That's 4 x 2400 whats.
My speakers actually don't need that kind of power. I just wanted to find out watt will happen.

I will also be receiving some foam from Lars later to improve the bass, a 10 minute DIY job inserted into the speakers.
As for upgrading to the D4.1, Lars said I have to wait. Around 1 year. To big to be Diamonised at the moment.

Wow..this I gota listen
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: avantgarde1 on September 11, 2013, 21:38
Welcome to the forum and this thread Avantgarde.

Interested to know what genre of music and at what SPL you tend to play?

Does your choice of forum handle hint at background in high effeciency speakers with low powered SET amps?
The D3 in theory at least should be easier to drive than the D1.

Hi, thank you for the welcome!  I play all types of music at all types of SPL as I have an audio studio in NYC   Rhapsodycinema.com  I have played the D1's in my large studio at high SPL with the Absolare.  I understand that the Raidhos love power.  I have large Goldmund mono amps, Telos 1000's or Telos 2500's that I drive the D1
s with at times.  It sounds incredible with big power.  BUT when you put on the Absolare Passion pre and amps.....I just melt. 

I've been an Avantgarde dealer for 14 years, I have been an Acapella dealer in the past and a Lamm, Wavac, Manley, Sophia, in the past as well.  I am currently the US Audio Note Japan - Kondo distributor so I have a little bit of experience with SET's etc.

My D3's have arrived in the states and are going through US customs as I write this.  I should have them in day or two.  I have another friend in Florida who just installed his new D3's last night.  He has heard fully broken D3's etc and says that even after 8 hour of playing they are VERY listenable although no way near broken in. 

With my D1' s, no matter what electronics I play on them, either the Absolare, Goldmund, Merrill, or even Kondo Overture integrated they all do it for me personally.  I am deffinitely a Raiho lover :)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: AndrewC on September 12, 2013, 06:00
... BUT when you put on the Absolare Passion pre and amps.....I just melt. 

I've been an Avantgarde dealer for 14 years, I have been an Acapella dealer in the past and a Lamm, Wavac, Manley, Sophia, in the past as well....

Interesting!… A slightly off-topic question if you don't mind... How would you characterise the sonic difference between Wavac and Absolare Amps? (Which Wavacs by the way, and do you have the Signature version of the Absolare Passion Amp?)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: mbovaird on September 12, 2013, 11:13
Hi guys - I'm the friend of Avantgarde in Florida!  :).   Yes, my D3's arrived late last night and have almost 24 hours on them now.   They sound great.   I am using Classe CAM600's and a Classe CP800, but I have plans for new amps/preamp.  I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions.  I've heard Raidho's with Audionet (high resolution, but not as musical as I like), Soulution 501/520 (surprisingly - not as high a resolution as the audionet, but more musical), my Audio Research Reference 250's (let's just say....definitely not a fit....zero control of the woofers), Constellation (no bass slam, punch, etc.) and now the Classe.  Good for breaking in the D3's, but certainly not a destination amp.

Prior to owning the D3's, I owned the fabulous D1's (although after recent listening sessions, I think I may prefer the c1.1 as they appeared to have a tighter bass).

I am trying to an amp that offers extremely good bass control (you must get control of those Diamond woofers with high damping factor/slew rate IMO) and also offers high resolution and is musical.  My budget for amps/preamp is around $80,000 USD.

Is Rowland a good match?  Soulution? D'Agostino?  Accuphase A200?  Other?

I welcome suggestions.  Thank you.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: durianlover88 on September 12, 2013, 11:30
Bro..pls do add ASI Grand Stereo as an option for audition...damping factor 10000...control bass with absolute grip...good emotion of tube amp too...650w per channel/8ohm, 1000wpc/4ohm, 1800wpc/2ohm...try ASI Grand Mono if want another level up.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: wyaw on September 12, 2013, 16:21
+1 my dream amp

There's always second choice if ASI is out of reach, Karan!

Mav

Bro..pls do add ASI Grand Stereo as an option for audition...damping factor 10000...control bass with absolute grip...good emotion of tube amp too...650w per channel/8ohm, 1000wpc/4ohm, 1800wpc/2ohm...try ASI Grand Mono if want another level up.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: avantgarde1 on September 12, 2013, 20:17
Interesting!… A slightly off-topic question if you don't mind... How would you characterise the sonic difference between Wavac and Absolare Amps? (Which Wavacs by the way, and do you have the Signature version of the Absolare Passion Amp?)

Unfortunately I had the Wavac's ten years ago driving all of the Avantgarde models.  And now, ten years later I am listening to the Absolare amps. So even if I imagined that I remembered what the WAVAC's sounded like it would not be fair to either amp.  The only thing that I would say about the 55 Watt Wavac's were that in my experience they were "light" sounding, meaning lean on the bass.  And that was with driving  Avantgardes even with self powered subs that take the signal from the main amps.  I remember the Lamms trouncing all over the Wavac's at the time imho.

Unless I can compare amps or anything in the EXACT same system on the same day, comparisons mean nothing to me.  Also even doing the comparison on the exact same system, room, same day etc., one amp may match well with the particular system that it is being played in and the other amp may not be a good fit.  In another system the conclusions might be the exact opposite. 

Go and listen to the Absolare if you can, you will be surprised.  Compare them against anything at any price.  (Dealer disclaimer comment:)

Second the opinion on the ASI amps from the two posts above....the ASI are great SS amps (another dealer disclaimer comment)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: joamonte on September 12, 2013, 22:46
Hi guys - I'm the friend of Avantgarde in Florida!  :).   Yes, my D3's arrived late last night and have almost 24 hours on them now.   They sound great.   I am using Classe CAM600's and a Classe CP800, but I have plans for new amps/preamp.  I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions.  I've heard Raidho's with Audionet (high resolution, but not as musical as I like), Soulution 501/520 (surprisingly - not as high a resolution as the audionet, but more musical), my Audio Research Reference 250's (let's just say....definitely not a fit....zero control of the woofers), Constellation (no bass slam, punch, etc.) and now the Classe.  Good for breaking in the D3's, but certainly not a destination amp.

Prior to owning the D3's, I owned the fabulous D1's (although after recent listening sessions, I think I may prefer the c1.1 as they appeared to have a tighter bass).

I am trying to an amp that offers extremely good bass control (you must get control of those Diamond woofers with high damping factor/slew rate IMO) and also offers high resolution and is musical.  My budget for amps/preamp is around $80,000 USD.

Is Rowland a good match?  Soulution? D'Agostino?  Accuphase A200?  Other?

I welcome suggestions.  Thank you.

Have you consider Vitus?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: meatballz on September 12, 2013, 23:34
Hi guys - I'm the friend of Avantgarde in Florida!  :).   Yes, my D3's arrived late last night and have almost 24 hours on them now.   They sound great.   I am using Classe CAM600's and a Classe CP800, but I have plans for new amps/preamp.  I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions.  I've heard Raidho's with Audionet (high resolution, but not as musical as I like), Soulution 501/520 (surprisingly - not as high a resolution as the audionet, but more musical), my Audio Research Reference 250's (let's just say....definitely not a fit....zero control of the woofers), Constellation (no bass slam, punch, etc.) and now the Classe.  Good for breaking in the D3's, but certainly not a destination amp.

Prior to owning the D3's, I owned the fabulous D1's (although after recent listening sessions, I think I may prefer the c1.1 as they appeared to have a tighter bass).

I am trying to an amp that offers extremely good bass control (you must get control of those Diamond woofers with high damping factor/slew rate IMO) and also offers high resolution and is musical.  My budget for amps/preamp is around $80,000 USD.

Is Rowland a good match?  Soulution? D'Agostino?  Accuphase A200?  Other?

I welcome suggestions.  Thank you.

mbl, boulder, lamm. take your pick and buy the biggest amp.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: mbovaird on September 13, 2013, 00:31
Hi guys - some great suggestions here!  The ASI stereo amp looks quite good.  I hope to hear it in a month or so.

As for Vitus, I heard the big Vitus amps a month ago and was really impressed.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: mbovaird on September 13, 2013, 00:39
Has anyone compared the ASI Stereo amp to the D'Agostino monos, Accuphase A200, Soulution 501's, Audionet or Jeff Rowland 925?

I'm trying to get an understanding if this amp is at that level or above.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: AndrewC on September 13, 2013, 06:36
Unfortunately I had the Wavac's ten years ago driving all of the Avantgarde models. ...
Go and listen to the Absolare if you can, you will be surprised.  Compare them against anything at any price.  (Dealer disclaimer comment:)
...

Fair enough... I don't know if I'll be surprised, but based on the reviews I've read so far, I've been itching to give it a shot  ;D
Thanks for the response.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on September 13, 2013, 17:40
Fair enough... I don't know if I'll be surprised, but based on the reviews I've read so far, I've been itching to give it a shot  ;D
Thanks for the response.

Hi AndrewC,

Have you reached out to the local distributor of Absolare?   

I am hoping to give them a try on my Raidho D-Series shortly.

At the opposite end of the power/philosophical spectrum my short list is Gryphon Audios Mephisto and Vitus Audios Master Piece.   Haven't auditioned either yet.

Regards
1AM

Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: AndrewC on September 14, 2013, 06:28
...
Have you reached out to the local distributor of Absolare?   
...
Regards
1AM

Nope, I haven't as yet…  No pressing urgency to switch out my Wavacs, I find them quite neutral and gorgeous sounding top-to-bottom (even compared to my Boulder amp)… Just very curious about the Absolare.

Never really thought much of the Gryphon or Vitus sound.. seemed very run-of-the-mill every time I heard them, and if you're already running solid state today, then well… ;D....  Top-end SETs on the other hand, just have that special magic that solid-state amps can't touch (despite what they always claim ;) )… So, I'd definitely recommend giving it a try.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: mbovaird on September 14, 2013, 11:20
What's everyone's thoughts on Audionet?  Specifically, the Audionet MAX amps. 
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: pegken on September 14, 2013, 22:43
Hello, I want to upgrade my speaker cables for my D1's (currently have Naim cables). What are your thoughts, suggestions for the best cable to go with these speakers? Thanks!!
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: durianlover88 on September 14, 2013, 23:11
Ansuz Diamond speaker cables.
This has been tested and.demoed during the Singapore Mod DAC hifi show by Lars and Michael.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: francishuang on September 14, 2013, 23:22
Ansuz Diamond speaker cables.
This has been tested and.demoed during the Singapore Mod DAC hifi show by Lars and Michael.

As he says, 'diamonds are forever'
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: durianlover88 on September 14, 2013, 23:29
I have many Ansuz Diamond cables on orler...waiting and waiting for their arrival...neck long already..
Currently 6 Ansuz Diamond powercords in the system already turning me crazy!!!
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: francishuang on September 14, 2013, 23:37
All taken up by you already la   ;D
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on September 15, 2013, 00:25
He is the world's record holder for most diamond cables!
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: avantgarde1 on September 18, 2013, 01:49
I now have 100 hours on my D3's and they are sounding incredible.  I am driving them with a Goldmund SS pre and a pair of Merrill Veritas Class D amps so that I can run them 24/7 until I get about 300 hours on them.  I have tried Absolare pre and 52 Watt SET amps on the D3's and I was in awe of the sound.  The Absolare electronics will be by reference on the  D3's once they reach the 300 hour mark.

I did a demo yesterday and I could have switched over the the Absolare electronics, BUT I didn't feel a  need to do so, the system sounded so good with the Goldmund SS pre/Merrill set up that I didn't feel the need to change.  The person I did the demo for was awe-struck.  Said he never heard anything like it.  And he owns a $200K system.

Anyway, all is good here in NYC with the D3's.....all good, no all great!!!
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on September 18, 2013, 08:55
Thanks for the wonderful update Avantgarde.

I would love to hear the D3's with Absolare but unfortunately the Absolare product is not locally available until December.   I will need to fly to another country to hear them before that.

The Merrill Veritas Class D amps are creating quite a following.    Not like the previous generation Class D which I frankly didn't think much of.

Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: avantgarde1 on September 18, 2013, 20:39
Thanks for the wonderful update Avantgarde.

I would love to hear the D3's with Absolare but unfortunately the Absolare product is not locally available until December.   I will need to fly to another country to hear them before that.

The Merrill Veritas Class D amps are creating quite a following.    Not like the previous generation Class D which I frankly didn't think much of.

I have never been a class D believer.  But I must say that since I have had the Merrill amps in my studio, they never fail to impress.  When mated with the Absolare pre or one of my Kondo preamps, it is a system that I could easily live with for a long time.  They also bring great control over the D3's bass which is an added plus.  Although the Merrill/Absolare combo is much more than just "getting by", it's a very musical, dynmaic, warm and 3D holographic throwing combination.

I do suggest, when possible to hear the Absolare pre and amps on any of the Radihos, it's pretty amazing for me personally. 
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on September 22, 2013, 18:46
Wah!!! Uncrate liao! I oso want a finite elephant for my grand stereo!
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on September 22, 2013, 18:47
Wah!!! Prototype spotted!
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Doggie Howser on September 22, 2013, 18:52
FOUR ASI MONOS!!?? WAH ZAN!!

Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: durianlover88 on September 22, 2013, 21:20
The Raidho C4.1 will be very scared after tonight....it has to sing...really sing and sing well with 4 ASI monos....wow! Salute!!
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on September 22, 2013, 21:57
Slightly short of 10,000 watts.
It is only 2400 watts x 4 amps (Monoblocs biamps) into 8 ohms.

@lowlin, you may have 9 QXes to equal mine, but you don't have my racks. Finite Elephants, all 5 of them. Made in Guangjiow.
 



Awesome Alan.   Just have to wait for your bass upgrade kit for lift off....
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Doggie Howser on September 22, 2013, 23:06
Please post a copy of your electricity bill....bery curious ....bery curious :-)


ASI uses Karan's sliding bias Class A so it doesn't run particularly hot
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Sabai on September 23, 2013, 00:03
I am running my Raidho C1.1s with an Atma-Sphere S-30 -- 30 watts per channel. There is sufficient headroom on most recordings -- but not on those recorded at low volume. Since the D1s are harder to drive I doubt you would have enough power with 25 watts per channel.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: AndrewC on September 23, 2013, 00:25
Got it. Unless the raidhos are played at 120db with full orchestral recording, unlikely to touch a fraction of the power. Still, on a serious note, what do the raidhos truly need in terms of power? I'm thinking of auditioning the d1 or d2 but don't think my paltry 25W Vitus will drive it well....

I just remembered you've got the Vitus!... Thought it goes up to a 100W?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: AndrewC on September 23, 2013, 00:36
...I've heard conflicting accounts on how much is needed to drive the raidhos properly.

Funny the Raidho website speaker specs never mentions sensitivity ratings.... sounds like (pun unintended) a touch subject? ;D
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Sabai on September 23, 2013, 00:42
After talking with Lars and Michael in Singapore my impression is that the C1.1s are about 86 and the D1s in the low 80s.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on September 23, 2013, 08:24
Hi 13CN,

Raidho recommend >50W for amplification.

If you visit Raidho’s Facebook page you will find a very wide variety of amplifiers being used by customers.

Raidho’s Head of Sales personally uses a 125w solid state integrated amplifier – so I think that is quite telling.

I would agree though that 25w is insufficient to get the best from these speakers.

Regards
1AM
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on September 23, 2013, 08:46
Funny the Raidho website speaker specs never mentions sensitivity ratings.... sounds like (pun unintended) a touch subject? ;D


Who believes manufacturers published sensitivity ratings anyway?     ;D


After talking with Lars and Michael in Singapore my impression is that the C1.1s are about 86 and the D1s in the low 80s.

The only independent lab report I’ve stumbled across  measured the sensitivity (for 2.83v) of the C1 at 85dB.   This was an average measure.    The full spectrum range was a low of 81dB over the broad presence band to a high of 88dB at 100Hz. (1)

These specifications are fairly normal for a small box speaker.

Notably – especially for tube lovers like yourself and AndrewC - the impedance curve showed an average of 7 ohms with a minimum of 6 ohms and not too reactive at the minima. (2)

I have not seen any lab reports on the D-Series but Micheal mentioned when he visited Singapore earlier in 2013 that there were no measurable differences between the C-Series and D-Series.   That raised my antenna because I could certainly hear a difference.



(1)-(2).   Colloms, M. (2011), HiFi Critic Vol 5/2
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: AndrewC on September 23, 2013, 12:13

Who believes manufacturers published sensitivity ratings anyway?     ;D

The only independent lab report I’ve stumbled across  measured the sensitivity (for 2.83v) of the C1 at 85dB.   This was an average measure.    The full spectrum range was a low of 81dB over the broad presence band to a high of 88dB at 100Hz. (1)

These specifications are fairly normal for a small box speaker.

Notably – especially for tube lovers like yourself and AndrewC - the impedance curve showed an average of 7 ohms with a minimum of 6 ohms and not too reactive at the minima. (2)

I have not seen any lab reports on the D-Series but Micheal mentioned when he visited Singapore earlier in 2013 that there were no measurable differences between the C-Series and D-Series.   That raised my antenna because I could certainly hear a difference.



(1)-(2).   Colloms, M. (2011), HiFi Critic Vol 5/2


Hahaha... too true! In most cases manufacturers overrate them (higher sensitivity) than measured.

Thanks  for the hint about the C1.0 review on HiFi Critic, I susbscribe, can't recall reading it, but have the old issues... just need to find it.

The 85dB and below rating does look unusually in-sensitivity (approaching MBL Radialstrahler territory)... no wonder the cautious ommission from Raidho's website... Still, they should trust smart customers to know what they're doing with all information rather than trying to obscure it, IMHO (constructive feedback :) )
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Sabai on September 23, 2013, 12:19
My understanding is that the diamond woofers are harder to drive than the ceramic woofers. This makes sense to me.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: watchdog on September 23, 2013, 12:41
I did recall that during the Singapore launch, Michael did say that he could have made the driver sensitivity higher, but it would come with other tradeoffs (he didn't elaborate what these tradeoffs would be).

The late Jim Thiel was asked once a question in relation to amplifier power (alluding to the fact that many of his earlier designs were quite demanding). His answer was that watts were cheap !

@ 13CashewNuts,

Not to try and poison you but the local dealer is willing to bring the speakers to your home for trial purposes - so you could really see whether your Vitus could drive it. Notwithstanding the 25 watts (for Class A) operation, most of the time you would be cruising within that power band.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Sabai on September 23, 2013, 12:50
I would be interested in knowing if 25 watts can drive the D1s. My experience with the C 1.1s with 30 watts leads me to believe that it will be difficult to drive the D1s with 25 watts.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on September 23, 2013, 13:22

[...]

@ 13CashewNuts,

Not to try and poison you but the local dealer is willing to bring the speakers to your home for trial purposes - so you could really see whether your Vitus could drive it. Notwithstanding the 25 watts (for Class A) operation, most of the time you would be cruising within that power band.


Have to agree.

Give them a try.

Your YG Carmels dip below 4 ohms (min).  The Raidho's don't go below 6 ohms and spend most of the audio band above 8 ohm.   So, in some respects it is quite possible that your existing speakers are actually harder to drive....

Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Sabai on September 23, 2013, 13:23
From what I have read, I believe the Raidhos may go down to 5.6.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Rufus McDufus on September 25, 2013, 04:01
I drive my C-1.1s with Lejonklou Tundra solod state monoblocs which are rated at about 24W per amp and it works just fine, though I do listen at quite moderate volumes. I've never yet seen them fall over with a speaker so it's not all down to power figures. I audiotioned the speakers (& D-1s too) using these power amps with a dCS Vivaldi stack and Burmester pre-amp at decent volumes and it sounded superb, the best I've ever heard in fact. That said I'm replacing the power amps with a Devialet 170 and will feel more reassured with the extra power!
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on September 25, 2013, 08:34
Interesting Rufus.    Please let us know how you find the Raidho's with the Devialet 170.

Thanks
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Rufus McDufus on September 25, 2013, 13:55
I did compare the 170 vs 240. I had the 240 on loan for about 4 weeks and the 170 for maybe 2.  I didn't have them at the same time unfortunately. I had the 170 first and didn't know how new it was (it must've only had 1 or 2 people borrowing before me) but the 240 was brand new. I didn't think to ensure the 170 was run-in properly but did a full run-in on the 240 and found it changed dramatically after 24 hours, but took about 72 hours to get good and it kept improving from them but much less so. I'm mentioning this because it's possible I wasn't hearing the 170 at its best.
Anyhow I felt the 170 had slightly better bass resolution but the 240 seemed to have more control/grip, but apart from that it was pretty close. Both sound fantastic with my C-1.1s. For my needs in a small room (only 10 feet by 11) the 170 seemed ample on the power front so it was a no-brainer.

Incidentally the AIR streaming was a bit disappointing both from a function and a sound quality perspective. My Linn Klimax DS smoked it. I'm told it sounds much better through the USB or AES inputs though and a MacBook via USB is apparently almost indistinguishable from a KDS, so there's lots of money-saving experimenting to be done!

Also I tried some different speaker cables - Transparent Reference Ultra, and some Nordosts. My findings with the Devialet were interesting ... the difference between speaker cables is quite small! I couldn't tell the difference between the Transparents and my Audiovector cables. Apparently this is down to the ultra low output impedance on the Devialet.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on September 25, 2013, 21:34
[...]
Anyhow I felt the 170 had slightly better bass resolution but the 240 seemed to have more control/grip, but apart from that it was pretty close.

Many thanks for the observations Rufus.

Re the above comment - while I am not surprised that more power equaled a greater sense of bass control / grip; I am intrigued by the feeling that the 170 has slightly better bass definition?    Can you share more on that?   Was this observed during playback of a certain album or track?   How did it come to your attention?   Did you run both the 170 and 240 at full power?

Lots of folks out there are looking to reduce system complexity and the Devialet certainly fits that objective.   I therefore think your thoughts will be of interest to many.

Thanks
1AM
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Rufus McDufus on September 26, 2013, 00:36
I understand the architecture of the Devialet 110/170 is a bit different and newer. The 240 is still quite similar to the original D-Premier and I do know of dealers who are actually mixing them to demo the dual-mono system without any apparent mismatch issues. A few people seem to have noticed better bass resolution on the 170. The differences are really quite small though.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on September 26, 2013, 07:53
I understand the architecture of the Devialet 110/170 is a bit different and newer. The 240 is still quite similar to the original D-Premier and I do know of dealers who are actually mixing them to demo the dual-mono system without any apparent mismatch issues. A few people seem to have noticed better bass resolution on the 170. The differences are really quite small though.

The 110 and 170 are new models to the line up, so not surprised that their architecture differs.   

You note that "A few people seem to have noticed better bass resolution on the 170".   What about you?  Did you notice this when used with the Raidho's or is this observation made with other peoples ears?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Rufus McDufus on September 26, 2013, 14:15
Yes, I did notice this first with the Raidhos on trying the 240 after the 170. I've since noticed one or two comments since that the 170 may be a little better in bass resolution, but then once I form the opinion, I notice comments that may agree as a type of confirmation bias! I didn't compare the machines side-by-side so this really is in the realms of hearsay and rumour.  The machines were both at different stages of run-in too which makes quite a big difference when they're new.   The fact remains they are actually very close in sound quality.
It's also complicated by views that the 170 is better than the old D-Premier particularly in terms of bass resolution in articles such as the Hi-fi News review here:
http://www.absolutesounds.com/pdf/main/press/2013_09_HFN_D-170.pdf
It begs the question what is the difference between the D-Premier and the 240? It seems the 240 has a different power supply which *should* make it sound better than the D-Prem.

[edit] Sorry to hijack the Raidho thread with this. It's just my observation that the Devialet 170 is sufficient for a pair of C-1.1s in a small room at moderate to high-ish volumes.  It should be because the power rating is quite some way in excess of Raidho's quoted minimum requirement. Would be interesting if there's any 110 owners with Raidhos.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Sabai on September 26, 2013, 15:05
Has anyone here tried the Ansuz cables yet?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Buch73 on September 26, 2013, 23:54
Yes, I have 3 Mainz (power cables) from the ALU series and a SparkZ in my Quantum QB4.
Then I have their lowest range of Speaker Cables..below ALU series. Think it is called POM. Lars told me when I bought them, that they was not quite sure of the name of this series.
But the speaker cables, easily outperformed my SPM Reference cables.. I know they also had many years on their back now.
Only my interconnect is still the Nordost TYR. But it will be replaced as some of my next Hifi buys. 

In my opinion they Ansuz Cables, sounds pretty similar to the Nordost sound.. but are more affordable when comparing. (I mean when you take cables from the same price range, I think you get better value in the Ansuz)

I will definitely also try some of the Ceramic and Diamond series in my setup in the future.
Those, I have only heard in demos and not in my own system.

Buch
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: AndrewC on September 29, 2013, 23:18
(http://media.theabsolutesound.com/issues/TAS_236_Cover.png.240x400_q85.jpg) (http://www.theabsolutesound.com/publications/the-absolute-sound/)

Out now…  Unfortunately reviewed by Valin, who's prone to hyperbole in practically every review… But the pair did excite JV's room nodes to the extent that he needed the port plugs… that said, as expected, he closed off with this nugget;
Quote
Until and unless I hear better, the Raidho C 4.1s are my new references.

The C4.1's are billed as going down to 5.8 Ohms by the way.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on September 30, 2013, 08:28
(http://media.theabsolutesound.com/issues/TAS_236_Cover.png.240x400_q85.jpg) (http://www.theabsolutesound.com/publications/the-absolute-sound/)

Out now…  Unfortunately reviewed by Valin, who's prone to hyperbole in practically every review… But the pair did excite JV's room nodes to the extent that he needed the port plugs… that said, as expected, he closed off with this nugget;
The C4.1's are billed as going down to 5.8 Ohms by the way.



Thanks for sharing this AndrewC.

I haven't read the review.  Any other notable points?

Yes, if you will recall, JV went completely gaga over the Magico product range until early 2013.   Now it seems the Magico Q5, his system reference, is no longer resident; and at least according to one recent review he now has two Raidho speakers in his system, the C-1.1 and the C-4.1.

I just hope he has reserved some superlatives -- because if he thinks highly of the C-series, whats left to describe the D-series?   :)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: durianlover88 on September 30, 2013, 09:18
IMHO reviewers are human...they go through learning curves too.
Just like us from amateur to audiophile and than higher and higher. At a stage they hit a high the superlatives will sprout.

The only thing is I find sometimes need to reserve our opinions....me learnt through the hard way...that really need to put 2 items side by side to AB to be absolutely sure the superiority sonic quality of the items. A time lapse and relying on memory whether the item now is better than an item tested a while back may give rise to parallex error wan...
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: AndrewC on September 30, 2013, 19:20
...
I haven't read the review.  Any other notable points?
...
I just hope he has reserved some superlatives -- because if he thinks highly of the C-series, whats left to describe the D-series?   :)

Not a whole lot to be honest, though there were a couple that struck me as interesting… (neither good nor bad in the absence of actually hearing these beauties)... like this one for example about the proprietary driver construction;

Quote
To further lower driver coloration, the cones in the C 4.1 are equipped with dual-voice coils and Raidho’s ingenious Ceramix magnet system, in which the magnet is not situated horizontally behind the voice coil (as is customary). Instead, a circle of extremely powerful neodymium magnets is arrayed vertically around the voice coil in a push-pull configuration. Not only does this vertical array distribute flux more evenly, it prevents the backwave of the cone from reflecting off the face of the magnet, as it does with a horizontally situated one, and back into the diaphragm, where it can modulate the signal.

Spot on about the over use of superlatives in JV's reviews... I'm pretty sure the D-series will become his new favourite reference speaker (of the month) in due course ;D

DL, agree with what you're saying, problem is, JV's been at this for nearly 40 years or so?!? He should be well beyond "learning curve" ;)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: durianlover88 on September 30, 2013, 20:06
But really the past few years is really where most of the technology advances are made...
Like a cable is a cable until you heard Crystal Absolute Dream and now Ansuz...JV would have more to learn and more to love, and more reference coming..:)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 4music on October 01, 2013, 17:11
But really the past few years is really where most of the technology advances are made...
Like a cable is a cable until you heard Crystal Absolute Dream and now Ansuz...JV would have more to learn and more to love, and more reference coming..:)

Can you please explain the differences between Absolute Dream and Ansuz? I am driving my Raidho D-1s with Ypsilon Aelius monos and trying to pick the best speaker & power cable. Currently using Jorma Origo SC, PC & ICs. The Jorma's add a bit of midbass warmth and in my view they are incompatible with the Raidhos. Tried the Nordost Valhalla 2 that were to thin for my taste (midbass wamth is gone!). Also tried the Ansuz entry level (Labeled P?) that was excellent. Trying to understand what I will gain with the S & C lines. I think the D is overkill? Also considering the Crystal Line for power cords mainly.

Also placed 3 Darkz/Ceramic elevators under the CD and pre and 3 Sparkz in the power distribution and got fantastic results. I cannot comment correctly on the changes, however it seems like I have upgraded my power cords! Fantastic stuff, Highly recommended.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: durianlover88 on October 01, 2013, 21:42
I will have a chance to AB the Absolute Dream versus the Ansuz Diamond for interconnects later this week....see how it goes. This is the first 5 pairs of Ansuz Diamond XLR in the world if I am not wrong.

You are right mid bass warmth not too good for Raidho speakers. I would say we should strive for a more neutral cable for the likes of Raidho and Magico range of speakers, with as little coloration to the frequency ranges as possible. The Ansuz Diamond series speaker cables belong to this category...so say if you do hear warmth to the speaker sound it is because you are using tube preamp/amps, not due to the Ansuz speaker cables.

The Ansuz Diamond Powercord you must have 1 in each analog and digital power chain. So minimal 2 pieces. Pls don't stinge. I am not responsible for what happen to you thereafter, is all I can say. Maybe I am mad, but I have 6 pieces Diamond powercords (including serial lumber #1 & 2), with 7 more pieces coming.

Both the Ansuz Diamond Speaker cables and Powercords open the sound stage "BIGGGGGGGG"!!!!
No side walls can contain them if I may exaggerate :)

Specifically on Absolute Dream, I did not use their powercords so cannot comment. But with Ansuz Diamond powercord in place I won't think about it. For interconnect AB this week, I expect an epic battle! I had put them on sale at a loss, as I simply cannot afford to put in a whole chain of Absolute Dream interconnects in my system, especially when going longer lengths. It is not because they are no good. In fact I have a soft spot for them.

The lower range of Ansuz cables, pls use them if $ is a concern, then slowly upgrade.
Performance is like double when moving up each chain (POM->Aluminium->Ceramic->Diamond).
If you can try to go minimum Ceramic.
I still fondly remember when I plugged in the 4th Ceramic powercord in my system, the analog flow experience is so exhilarating! So the cumulative effect of more Ansuz cables in the system is pretty additive. I would comment again when I receive my remaining Diamond powercords - when all 13 are in the system I not sure I can live to tell what happened...haha....for brolers who know Chinese, see my nick (走火入魔, 等毒发!) best describe my present state of being...
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 4music on October 01, 2013, 23:36
Thanks for the VERY imformative and thourough reply. I will follow the Thread closely for your final observations.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: durianlover88 on October 03, 2013, 01:00
Arrived today!!!! 2 pairs 2m xlr and 3 pairs 1.5m xlr :P
(http://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/h353/durianlover88/20131003_004132.jpg)

No chance nor time to AB or insert into system yet..the cables looks very classy and exqusite!!
(http://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/h353/durianlover88/20131003_004232.jpg)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: durianlover88 on October 03, 2013, 01:18
Btw, if any brolers like to know where to get ansuz products:

Magico (Music Image) - cables and accessories
AV Intelligence - cables and accessories
Audioline - accessories only
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 4music on October 03, 2013, 04:05
Wow! The cables look fantastic and very classy? Any pics of the Ceramic line either in interconnects or thePower Cables? Is the build quality in the Ceramic line of a similar level? The Entry level PC and speaker cables I have demoed did not look that substantial, rather plain in quality of construction. Awaiting comments on the sound....
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: francishuang on October 03, 2013, 04:57
Wa..u dun need sleep one ar
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: francishuang on October 03, 2013, 05:02
I waking up to draw the blardy rifle
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 4music on October 06, 2013, 00:40
Anybody tried the new ASI Reference Line Power cords with the Raidho's? How do they compare with the Ansuz Lines?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: avantgarde1 on October 21, 2013, 22:43
I have made a personally startling discovery with my D3's.  I had been struggling with getting both the bass like I wanted it as well as a totally open and relaxed sound.  I had been trying to do all this with Goldmund amps, Merrill Class D amps and the Absolare amps.  I was using the Absolare amps on the D3's with the 4 ohm taps  With the Absolare amps I was not getting the "air" around the instruments and voices and as I have stated in several places I was struggling to get the bass to my liking in my room.

I have made TWO changes in my system that literally have shocked me.  The first change was that I put a granite slab underneath the D3's.  For some reason the D3's definitely die NOT like my flooring, which is in a commercial NYC building.  The floors are a porous slurry mix, not really that solid like actual cement.  Anyway putting the granite slabs under the D3's transformed the bass.  Where I was getting "too much bass" vs. the rest of the frequency spectrum now has turned into just the right amount of bass and does not stick out at all.  Even after 1000 hours I was getting too much bass....not anymore, the bass is great.

Second change is what really surprised me.  Just for the heck of it, I connected the D3's to the 8 ohm taps of the Absolare SETs.  I still can't believe what has happened.  The entire frequency spectrum just opened up with gobs of "air" around the voices and instruments.  AND the best part is the bass is totally seamless now, never calling attention to itself other than to hit all bass notes appropriately with texture  and authority as well. 

I never would have thought of trying the 8 ohm taps from the Absolare amps as the D3's are listed as 3.9 ohms.  I just would not have ever thought of it although for 40 years now with tube amps I have always tried both the 4 ohm and 8 ohm taps if they were available on a tube amp just to make sure I was getting optimum performance from both the amp and the speakers.  Again, this one mystifies me, BUT I can tell you that if you could hear the D3' s with the Absolare amps now running off the 8 ohm taps you would be amazed at the sound.  Like they say "Ya never know".
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Rufus McDufus on October 22, 2013, 16:01
Ah, I'm glad someone's mentioned this! I have C-1.1s and I'm finding what the stands are on is absolutely critical. I have a Victorian-era UK house which has fairly thin suspended wooden flooring. It flexes a bit and is not flat. Also the speakers are not 'aiming' vertically exactly the same as each other. Lacking adjustability in the stand feet is a pain.
First off I started chocking the stands with cardboard to stop them rocking. Having a loose foot is really annoying because it makes a rattling noise as you walk past! It didn't really improve the sound too much though. 
Secondly on the advice of the retailer who sold me the speakers I put some acrylic sheet (15mm thick in my case) under each stand. It still needed a little bit of padding to sit flat but - oh my god, what a huge improvement! It sounded awful before, now it sounds like Raidhos should sound!  The vertical angle of the speakers is still not quite equal though.
I emailed Lars about this. He mentioned that Ansuz would be bringing out some adjustable resonance feet at some point which can be used, but he suggested wood or MDF as a solution to use under the stands. Being an avid do-it-yourselfer I'm currently in the process of making some thick oak and MDF bases which have adjustable feet. I should finish these in the next few days. I'll update this thread on my findings! (it might be a waste of time, who knows?).  I tried to make these fairly heavy but obviously keeping the depth as low as possible. I'm interested in which materials might sound best. I have a small theory the hardness of the material might make a difference - e.g if the foot 'sinks' into a softer material like wood, would that sound better or worse than a harder material like stone or acrylic? This is why I picked oak over soft pine for the speakers to sit on as it's less likely to make an indentation.




I have made TWO changes in my system that literally have shocked me.  The first change was that I put a granite slab underneath the D3's.  For some reason the D3's definitely die NOT like my flooring, which is in a commercial NYC building.  The floors are a porous slurry mix, not really that solid like actual cement.  Anyway putting the granite slabs under the D3's transformed the bass.  Where I was getting "too much bass" vs. the rest of the frequency spectrum now has turned into just the right amount of bass and does not stick out at all.  Even after 1000 hours I was getting too much bass....not anymore, the bass is great.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: sonusfidelio on October 23, 2013, 16:46
Hi 1AM, just a quick question ....

I understand you have the D2 and from a price perspective it is quite close to the C3.1. Here's the million dollar question (drum roll ...), now that you have had the D2 for a while how would you rate it against the C3.1 which is obviously a larger speaker with more drivers?

I can imagine many an audiophile who are shopping at this price point agonizing over this issue too so would appreciate your opinion.

Cheers.

Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Rufus McDufus on October 24, 2013, 01:45
Thanks for that - very interesting!

I've nearly finished my home-made adjustable bases. I gave them a quick try before completing cosmetic work. Yes, it's another improvement! Seems to have lost a slight edginess, but gained clarity. I feel like I've lost 'focus' a bit but I haven't adjusted them properly level-wise.
I find that it's significant to get the vertical angle of each speaker optimal and both speakers equal to each other. That and a good solid flat surface seem to make all the difference. Also toe-in angle seems more crucial than with other speakers though the recommended angles are about right (seem better almost pointing at you which give a better image, as opposed to other speakers which often seem better with shallower angles).  I'm finding these attributes are more significant than distance from wall actually though I am a little limited on this front so can't adjust them radically.

Adjustable Darkz stacked under Ceramic Darkz.
You buy only 1 Adjustable Darkz to use with 3 other normal Darkz.
When using only 3 Darkz, Adjustable Darkz is not required.

Will move this to Ansuz users' thread later.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on October 24, 2013, 10:27
Hi 1AM, just a quick question ....

I understand you have the D2 and from a price perspective it is quite close to the C3.1. Here's the million dollar question (drum roll ...), now that you have had the D2 for a while how would you rate it against the C3.1 which is obviously a larger speaker with more drivers?

I can imagine many an audiophile who are shopping at this price point agonizing over this issue too so would appreciate your opinion.

Cheers.




Hi,

I chose the D2 based on my listening room size which is small at 5m x 3m.

The differences between the D-series and the C-series are quite significant and probably best summed up by Raidho's head of sales who when asked the question replied "[...] The D is a far better speaker than the C.. It has much higher resolution, much higher dynamic headroom, much less mechanical noise and first of all it is a much better speaker when it comes to the music.. the D gets much closer to live"

Cheers
1AM
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on November 06, 2013, 21:16
Review of the D3 by audiophilia (http://www.audiophilia.com/wp/?p=12344)

(http://www.audiophilia.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/raidhod31.jpg)

(http://www.audiophilia.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/raidhod3full.jpg)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on November 14, 2013, 09:52
Raidho report via Facebook that they have collected yet another award for their D-1 speaker; High Fidelity (Poland)  "Loudspeaker of the Year".    ;D

Nice timing as Raidho was exhibiting at the Polish Audio Show 2013 (Nov. 9 to Nov. 10, 2013. at the Radisson Blue Sobieski Hotel (Warsaw)).   

Photo of the show set up below.  Electronics by dCS and Jeff Rowland.  Classic Raidho room set up, with loudspeakers close to sidewall and miles away from the front wall.   Note the black speaker stands - a change from the more common grey ones.   Note also that the speaker stands sit directly on carpet.


(http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af12/notrace_photo/Polandshow_zps1485520a.jpg)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Rufus McDufus on November 18, 2013, 02:16
Has anyone else experimented with surfaces to put the stands on? I've made large improvements in my old 1880s house by propping the suspended floorboards from underneath with threaded rods into wooden blocks, and screwed the floor down. The rather loose, thin floorboards really killed the sound.  I still feel further improvements could be made. I've tried them direct one the floor, on acrylic sheets, on carpet, and all sound different but I prefer them direct on the floor rather than a separate board for risk of them falling off and toppling.

One thing that's still slightly annoying even with the reinforced floor is the speakers moving slightly when I walk past. You hear the bottom bearings rattle! They all appear to be touching the floor OK though.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on November 18, 2013, 08:22
Has anyone else experimented with surfaces to put the stands on? I've made large improvements in my old 1880s house by propping the suspended floorboards from underneath with threaded rods into wooden blocks, and screwed the floor down. The rather loose, thin floorboards really killed the sound.  I still feel further improvements could be made. I've tried them direct one the floor, on acrylic sheets, on carpet, and all sound different but I prefer them direct on the floor rather than a separate board for risk of them falling off and toppling.

One thing that's still slightly annoying even with the reinforced floor is the speakers moving slightly when I walk past. You hear the bottom bearings rattle! They all appear to be touching the floor OK though.


Hi Rufus,

The problem is understood and you've come to the right place with the question.

Good news for you.   Please contact Lars at Ansuz Acoustics.   Lars is the President of Ansuz and the Sales Director at Raidho Acoustics.  Contact lkk@ansuz-acoustics.com

Ansuz Acoustic have just released to market an adjustable footer for your speaker.  The footer not only makes it possible to level your speakers but also contains a mechanical resonance device - which should actually improve performance for you.    Good luck!   

1AM
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on November 18, 2013, 08:31
Another commendation for Raidho Acoustics - this time from Madrid.

The Cary Audio distributor in Spain, Stradivari Audio Elite, attended the Elitexpo 2013 in Madrid! Their system included Raidho D1 speakers, Cary Audio SLP-98 preamplifier, Cary Audio CAD-120S MkII power amplifier, Nordost Valhalla, Nordost Qv2, and as sources Hanss T30 and the Cary Audio CD-500. According to Cary Audio (see their Facebook entry) they received many compliments from fans, press, and professional musicians!

(http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af12/notrace_photo/BestofShowMadrid_zpsf88dc9cf.jpg)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on November 19, 2013, 17:32
HiFi+ Equipment review of Raidho D-1 loudspeaker

November 2013

(http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af12/notrace_photo/Raidho-D1-02_zpsad961195.jpg)


Below are some excerpts from the HiFi+ review by Alan Sircom (Issue 105) on the Raidho D-1 loudspeaker:

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“There are two sets of people who will buy the D-1;
those who are new to the whole Raidho experience and
C-1.1 users in need of something ‘more’. Addressing the
first crowd is easy – it’s one of the most uncoloured, most
satisfying, most unfatiguing and most realistic loudspeakers
you’ll hear. They aren’t bright, but have that forwardpresenting
soundstage that attracts people to brightsounding
loudspeakers. If you have words like ‘clean’ and
‘detailed’ on your shortlist, you’ll be smitten, because it sits
smack in the middle between the honesty of the Magico
Q1, the energy of the Focal Utopia Diablo and the warm
embrace of the Crystal Arabesque Mini. I”
 

 
“The Raidho D-1 creates the kind of system that leaves
people with a profound sense of musical satisfaction,
whether the music was a glorious slice of ‘absolute sound’
real, unamplified instruments playing live in an acoustic
environment, or something thoroughly digital that never once
saw an open space until it reached the drive units. It asks the
question ‘what more do you need?’ and often the answer is
‘nothing’. Frankly, that troubles me, because that’s a call and
response that a reviewer is never supposed to utter.
Expensive – yes, but the D-1 proves good things don’t
come cheap. An astonishingly good loudspeaker and highly
recommended.”

 

Both quotes reprinted here with the kind permission of the HiFi+ Editor
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on January 04, 2014, 13:48
Woah!!! Look out for the new X1 speakers and raidho resonance controlled equipment stand in CES 2014!!!
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: skywalker on January 07, 2014, 19:41
Seems they are also showcasing their new resonance control equipment rack at CES! Exciting
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on January 09, 2014, 08:41
D1,  X1, SparkTC and full loom ansuz diamond cables spotted!

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/1531833_631646213561567_498548384_o.jpg)

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At the Las Vegas CES show, we have now experienced a fantastic fist day with overwhelming positive response. Even with only the new Raidho baby – the X1 hooked-up, the quality of the Ansuz cables shine right through.

The system delivers a pitch-black background with millions of details defined in the most natural way. The room is filled, wall to wall, with an impressive big soundstage and emotional musicality.

Many experienced listeners have sat at and listened in pure misbelieve. “This is magic – a system of this size shouldn’t be allowed to play this good” as one dealer said.

If you got the chance - come and hear for yourself in the Raidho / Ansuz room at the Venetian room 318 floor 30.

Frits Dalmose / Ansuz acoustics

Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Marine on January 09, 2014, 09:16
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Even with only the new Raidho baby – the X1 hooked-up, the quality of the Ansuz cables shine right through.

quality of cables heard through speakers rather than the cables allow the quality of the speakers to shine right through?

Quote
allowed to play this good” as one dealer said.

Marketing at its best!
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on January 09, 2014, 12:55
Diamond Mainz & Lars spotted!
(http://my-hiend.com/leoyeh2/2013a/IMG_8394ss.jpg)

The new Resonance Controlled Rack
(http://my-hiend.com/leoyeh2/2013a/IMG_8395ss.jpg)

the new X-1 monitor!
(http://my-hiend.com/leoyeh2/2013a/IMG_8396ss.jpg)

(http://my-hiend.com/leoyeh2/2013a/IMG_8397ss.jpg)

(http://my-hiend.com/leoyeh2/2013a/IMG_8398ss.jpg)

...and prototype cable lifters.

I guess Raidho/Ansuz must be reading XP. Cables did not touched each other.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: hotbird on January 09, 2014, 13:28
Also got new Ansuz broomsticks for sale :D
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on January 09, 2014, 13:30
Also got new Ansuz broomsticks for sale :D

maybe it's resonance controlled broomsticks  ;D
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: hotbird on January 09, 2014, 13:48
maybe it's resonance controlled broomsticks  ;D

Nothing that innovative, the Japanese company Gesound was already marketing similar japanese broomsticks about half a decade ago :)
Check
(http://www.gesound.com/20tuning_self/img/06_01.jpg)
Gesound ORE-100 broomsticks (http://www.gesound.com/20tuning_self/index.html#ore)
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Here is how to use the ORE-100 for deriving a representation of the three-dimensional impression more. Controls the strength of the effect by changing the spacing of the ORE-100
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on January 09, 2014, 13:56
Nothing that innovative, the Japanese company Gesound was already marketing similar japanese broomsticks about half a decade ago :)
Check
(http://www.gesound.com/20tuning_self/img/06_01.jpg)
Gesound ORE-100 broomsticks (http://www.gesound.com/20tuning_self/index.html#ore)

That's amazing!
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: AndrewC on January 09, 2014, 18:21
Diamond Mainz & Lars spotted!

(http://my-hiend.com/leoyeh2/2013a/IMG_8396ss.jpg)

..

Hey! I've got some of those twigs at home! Maybe I should test mine for their acoustic properties  ;D
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: malsound on January 09, 2014, 18:33
It looks like sa boon lee lee to me.  ;D
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: ian996 on January 16, 2014, 20:01
Has anyone else experimented with surfaces to put the stands on?

Hi, First post from a new member here - I have a pair of Raidho C3 (with the uprated 3.1 ribbons fitted) and was interested to see the discussion on alternative surfaces to place the speakers on. All my electronics are mounted on SRA Ohio series isolation bases, and I have now received Ohio bases for the C3. The effect has been most impressive. The largest gains have been in imaging/soundstaging, but improvements have also occurred in micro-dynamics, bass clarity, tonal balance and overall coherence. I have a pretty bouncy suspended wooden floor, so some kind of speaker isolation is a must for me (my previous ML Prodigy were on Seismic sinks) . The SRA bases are custom built for each application, so you can't "try before you buy", but they come highly recommended.  Because the bases increase the ribbon height by a couple of inches, I was a little worried that they would move beyond the optimum height for my seating position, but tonal balance seems pretty much unaffected by the centre of the ribbons being about two inches above my ear level.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: mcs_5 on January 22, 2014, 09:40
Also got new Ansuz broomsticks for sale :D

If I remember correctly, Lars said they were bought in IKEA many years ago :)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on January 23, 2014, 20:05
The new Raidho rack will be available in 2 heights and available only in Black High Gloss Finish.

It is a resonance controlled rack similar to the decoupling bases on Raidho speakers.

The dimensions are for the low version D: 49 cm W: 71 cm H: 12 cm and for the high version D: 49 cm W: 71 cm H: 25 cm.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1/s403x403/1497451_199529310244399_198036984_n.jpg)

5D orler!
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on January 23, 2014, 20:07
Prototype spotted!

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t1/1619590_199529153577748_226902604_n.jpg)

...I wish that they release their phono stage by mid of this year.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on January 24, 2014, 19:43
More peeks on the new X1 and the stand.

So chio!

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1510939_199999053530758_1236480995_n.jpg)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1/1545962_199999163530747_1410628332_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: iosiP on January 30, 2014, 15:36
Hello all,

This is my first post on the forum, so please hold the stones  ;)

Here is my problem: I live in an old house with suspended wooden floors. I have a pair of Raidho C-3.1, sitting on the factory-issued "bearing balls" and I cannot escape the boomy bass these generate.
I tried changing cables (best results were obtained with Siltech, followed by Nordost) and putting the speakers on sandfilled platforms (from Bassocontinuo). Still, the results are lacking so I would like to remove the ball-terminated feet (not the whole aluminium platform) and replace them with high-quality spikes.
However, it is unclear how to proceed but - obviously - those can be disassembled (since they were assembled in the first place). Raidho does not seem to care much about their customers, so my e-mail requests got no answers.

I would highly appreciate if you could help, it's a pity to not take full advantage of these excellent speakerr because of such a minor issue.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on January 30, 2014, 16:29
Factory issued ball bearings? ? Can u take a pic? Can u elaborate more of your set up?

I'm a C3.1 user. My local dealer pass some cold ray spike shoes. U see if u can get ur hands on some.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Rufus McDufus on January 31, 2014, 01:49
I'm in a similar position to you. My house is quite old (1880s) and has a suspended uncarpeted wooden floor. There's a void underneath about 25cm deep with dirt underneath.
I've done quite a bit of experimentation with my C-1.1s due to them not sounding very good straight on the floor. The surface does make a huge difference annoyingly.

One of the first thing I tried was I've tried was 15mm thick perspex sheets under each stand (as recommended when placing the stands on carpets by my dealer). This made a fairly good improvement I felt. I was a little nervous of the speakers & stands falling off the perspex and toppling over though.
I've tried MDF sheets - again not bad but maybe not quite as good as the perspex.
Tried cardboard, not great.
Tried carpet, not great.
Tried sorbothane discs (today actually!) - killed the sound.
I then actually made some fairly heavy wooden bases with a 'lip' round the edge to stop the speaker stands sliding off.  Sadly these didn't improve things, despite looking nice. The other problem was the speakers sit a bit high on them.  I did only use cheap adjustable plastic feet as opposed to spikes - I suspect they'd be better with spikes.  I was interested by the isolation base mentioned a few days ago.

I haven't tried taking the bottom still-point feet off. They do disassemble easily if you have a long-enough hex (or star?) bit. Maybe I'll continue without those?

The best improvement I made was to get 8 M10 threaded tie-rods, washers & nuts and cut some thick blocks of wood and drill holes in them. Each tie-rod has a block of wood at either end. I put each under the floor roughly where the foot of the stand is and tightened each so it was supporting the floor directly. This made a big difference and really tightened up the focus & dynamics of the speakers.  The snag is they're sitting on the dirt floor underneath so need tightening frequently. It's also not ideal for testing speaker position.

I do think I can make this better though. I'd be interested if anything else people have tried. I realise there are 'resonance feet' but I don't really want to fork out another £1000+ on this!   I suspect a brick/concrete plinth under each speaker (from the ground level up) would be the best solution but I don't think my wife will like me cutting the floorboards :(  From my experiments it seems the stands as they come work better on a high-mass smooth surface - i.e concrete floor.

Actually it just occurred to me - anyone tried a hard surface like marble or granite?



Hello all,

This is my first post on the forum, so please hold the stones  ;)

Here is my problem: I live in an old house with suspended wooden floors. I have a pair of Raidho C-3.1, sitting on the factory-issued "bearing balls" and I cannot escape the boomy bass these generate.
I tried changing cables (best results were obtained with Siltech, followed by Nordost) and putting the speakers on sandfilled platforms (from Bassocontinuo). Still, the results are lacking so I would like to remove the ball-terminated feet (not the whole aluminium platform) and replace them with high-quality spikes.
However, it is unclear how to proceed but - obviously - those can be disassembled (since they were assembled in the first place). Raidho does not seem to care much about their customers, so my e-mail requests got no answers.

I would highly appreciate if you could help, it's a pity to not take full advantage of these excellent speakerr because of such a minor issue.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: durianlover88 on January 31, 2014, 02:09
Hi bros Rufus and iosiP,

If you touch the Raidho speakers during music passage...they do vibrate a bit. The solution is really to do resonance control as tested with bigtree's setup. For c.3.1, cold ray spike feet is the best economical option. For c1.1 will have to depend on the stands you have. Pls visit cold ray website and review options. Lars also have Darkz footers which Michael claimed is good when the D1 was in my house for an audition. The normal Darkz footers have no screw thread so the worry is the speakers might topple if nudged. There is now an adjustable Darkz footers too which you may want to check it out.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Rufus McDufus on January 31, 2014, 02:11
Thanks!  Would the stands sit on the spike shoes or resonance feet? You don't take the existing stillpoint feet off the speaker bases do you?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: iosiP on January 31, 2014, 07:03
Factory issued ball bearings? ? Can u take a pic? Can u elaborate more of your set up?

I'm a C3.1 user. My local dealer pass some cold ray spike shoes. U see if u can get ur hands on some.
This is the system (electronics).
(http://i1248.photobucket.com/albums/hh492/iosiP/DSC_0448_zps107913d5.jpg)

What I call "ball bearings" are the ones at the bottom of the feet. You can see one at the right hind foot.
(http://i1248.photobucket.com/albums/hh492/iosiP/DSC_0451_zpsc51591ea.jpg)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on January 31, 2014, 10:01
Nice setup!

I'm using the cold ray spike shoes with a piece of sandwich prototype board. 

(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u528/bigtree_huat-huat/MUSIK/20131011_170924_zps8c97e5aa.jpg) (http://s1320.photobucket.com/user/bigtree_huat-huat/media/MUSIK/20131011_170924_zps8c97e5aa.jpg.html)

The boomz might be coming from your room. CD rack behind?

Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: iosiP on January 31, 2014, 10:17
Great setup you have there, bigtree! I have a lor of respect for Meitner/EMM Labs.
Unfortunately I cannot figure out what power amp you have.

I tried the Qx purifiers but they did not work for me (killed microdynamics).
What cables do you have, and what (other) cables did you try?

The CD rack is not at fault, it's just the entire floor "singing" with the speakers: last time I played Yello my wife thought there was an earthquake.

Can you post a macro of the cold ray spike shoes?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on January 31, 2014, 10:34
I'm using ASI pre+power by Franck Tchang with full suite of ASI cables (PC, Int and SCs).

Here's a close up of Coldray (http://www.cold-ray.com/products/) spike shoe from the manufacturer's website

(http://www.cold-ray.com/images/cold-ray-sol2t.jpg)

Previously, I was using 4 pieces of marble from Sonus Faber (2 on each side). But it lifted the speakers about a bit higher above my ear level.

(http://www.hifi-notes.com/images/sfstones1.gif)

Great setup you have there, bigtree! I have a lor of respect for Meitner/EMM Labs.
Unfortunately I cannot figure out what power amp you have.

I tried the Qx purifiers but they did not work for me (killed microdynamics).
What cables do you have, and what (other) cables did you try?

The CD rack is not at fault, it's just the entire floor "singing" with the speakers: last time I played Yello my wife thought there was an earthquake.

Can you post a macro of the cold ray spike shoes?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Rufus McDufus on January 31, 2014, 20:28
Interesting bigtree! Would you say the spike protectors had a really significantly positive effect? Interested about the prototype sandwich board too!
I'm still searching for the best solution but so far the speakers direct on the floor seem best but with the floor 'reinforced' by my 'tie-bar' props underneath. The surface seems to make such a big difference that I'm convinced further improvements can be made.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Raidho on January 31, 2014, 20:38
Dear owners of Raidho C-3.1's

To help you out with the wooden floor problems we just have introduced at the CES 2014 Show a new product: Adjustable feet for the whole line of Raidho Speakers ( except teh D-4.1 and D5 )to solve the problem..

If you have any questions you are welcome to contact me: lk@raidho.dk

Kind regards
Lars
Raidho
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: iosiP on February 01, 2014, 02:36
Good thing!

A link would be welcome, as would be prices and availability from ADs.

Please help  :)

P.S. But still, can you tell us how to remove the original feet (not the whole platforms, those go off with a torx driver)?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Rufus McDufus on February 01, 2014, 02:46
I've just removed the feet as an experiment actually! Just undo the 6 screws on the underside of each foot. You need an extension piece for the Torx bit. That's the only way of getting the feet out. Don't lose the ballbearing in each foot. It's time-consuming, especially putting them back together. I have a torque driver and used a torque of 1.0 Nm per screw which is fairly loose. It's MDF so soft and easy to damage.

How did it sound without feet? I placed them on my homemade adjustable dense wooden bases. It was pretty good. Certainly no worse, possibly a slight improvement. It looked a bit silly though and I don't like too many things balancing on top of each other so have gone back.
i also tried some paperback books under the stands so the feet don't touch the ground. That's not actually any worse either funnily enough.

I'm quite interested in how the adjustable feet work. That must've been a bit of a technical challenge.

Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Rufus McDufus on February 01, 2014, 04:04
Been looking at spike shoes - the Cold Ray ones don't seem so easy to get hold of but they do look ideal.

Looking back in this thread at the previous mention of spike shoes, I notice the foot of the C-1.1/D-1 stand is a bit different to the bigger speakers. It's quite a round foot and not a pronounced 'spike'. I think it could benefit from spike shoe/Darkz still though. I don't feel the feet moving/vibrating while playing music but then I play at quite low volume, and there's not so many speakers to move things around!
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: iosiP on February 01, 2014, 06:20
Rufus, did you remove the feet (i.e. 4 per each speaker) or the whole platform?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Rufus McDufus on February 01, 2014, 06:26
The foot assembly - the plastic outer, the metal inset foot and the top piece, so down to the bare MDF base. I just wanted to hear how it sounded sitting on the base.

You want to fit a spike in there in place of the foot don't you? This would be challenging.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: iosiP on February 01, 2014, 07:37
You want to fit a spike in there in place of the foot don't you? This would be challenging.
Yes, this is exactly what I want to do.
Fortunately, I have a good friend who owns a metalworkshop, so nothing should be challenging.
Could you post photos of the unassembled foot? The metal inset foot could be replaced by a similar one, just threaded at one end in order to accept a SS cone (spike). And voila, without havind to pay €€€ for "designer adjustable feeet".

And BTW, Raidho should deliver these free of charge to all legitimate owners of their speakers, since the fixed ball-bearing feet were clearly a design error. But I'm not holding my breath...
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on February 01, 2014, 10:02
In case anyone wondering how it looks like.

This is the adjustable feet.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t1/1619590_199529153577748_226902604_n.jpg)



Dear owners of Raidho C-3.1's

To help you out with the wooden floor problems we just have introduced at the CES 2014 Show a new product: Adjustable feet for the whole line of Raidho Speakers ( except teh D-4.1 and D5 )to solve the problem..

If you have any questions you are welcome to contact me: lk@raidho.dk

Kind regards
Lars
Raidho

Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on February 01, 2014, 10:10
OMG! D4 monsters spotted!!! and D5?!?!?!

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It is a great day today... We have the first 2 pairs of the New Raidho D-5 ready to ship out to 2 happy costumers..
Whats new is: that we now have the Diamond version of our Raidho C-4.1's ready..
Michael and I have been locked in our show room for a whole week
just listening to our new reference speakers... and the D-5's put a big, big smile our faces...


(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1/q75/1781955_203173823213281_255259394_n.jpg)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/t1/q80/1623745_203173769879953_2146468434_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Rufus McDufus on February 01, 2014, 17:19
Hi iosiP - i didn't take pictures unfortunately but the design is pretty simple. The actual foot is an aluminium 'pin' about 2 inches long that sits inside the plastic housing you see. It's quite a loose fit side-to-side. Fitting inside the base of the stand is the aluminium top 'cup'. Between the pin and that fixed top cup is a ball bearing.  It's held onto the MDF base with that plastic housing you see and attached by 6 Torx screws.

This video is interesting and explains the principle (I don't fully understand it!).
http://www.youtube.com/v/p6hfos7CdCg&fs=1

It would be possible to engineer a spike. but to be rigid, I think you'd have to replace both aluminium parts, or just replace the whole foot assembly with a turned metal part that attaches by the existing 6 screws to the base.  Being a spike it would have to be harder than aluminium too.  It may be easier just to test with a different stand rather than going to all this effort.  It does go against the design principles of the stand though and I would be fairly surprised if the results are positive.

I'm still interested in understanding how the Darkz or spike shoe method works. I know from experimentation that a soft absorbing sorbothane disc completely kills the sound so it almost follows that if each foot was quite well attached & transmitting energy to the ground by Darkz etc. then possibly an improvement could be made.  I notice the Cold Ray shoes have a thin silicone pad on the bottom and I'm wondering if this benefits the idea or not (I'm thinking maybe not though it'd stop them sliding around and damaging the floor).
I do find they seem to work better on a hard surface (perspex, or possibly stone or metal?) than a softer one (e.g soft like a softwood floorboard).  I can't work out what the problem is witha suspended floor - whether it's the actual surface itself, or whether the floorboards act like a soundboard, or both.
This isn't an uncommon problem with spiked speaker stands either of course, but it seems to be a bit more important with these.

Yes, this is exactly what I want to do.
Fortunately, I have a good friend who owns a metalworkshop, so nothing should be challenging.
Could you post photos of the unassembled foot? The metal inset foot could be replaced by a similar one, just threaded at one end in order to accept a SS cone (spike). And voila, without havind to pay €€€ for "designer adjustable feeet".

And BTW, Raidho should deliver these free of charge to all legitimate owners of their speakers, since the fixed ball-bearing feet were clearly a design error. But I'm not holding my breath...
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: iosiP on February 01, 2014, 21:26
I will replace the whole foot assembly with a machined solid steel spike. It will be held in place by washers (I don't know if I will keep the plastic housing or not).
Tightening the SS rod both on top and bottom would ensure a solid fit.

I will take the feet off tomorrow, with the help of a friend, and will see which of the spikes I already have fits. If none, I will design one!
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on February 25, 2014, 03:24
I've just come across the specifications for the X-1.    A great looking speaker too.


Technical information
Stand mount bookshelf mini monitor

Size ex stand:145 x 320 x 230 mm
Weight:8 Kg
Freq. response:80 Hz - 50 KHz
Impendance:> 6 ohm
Sensitivity:85 dB 2.83 V/m
Crossover: 3.5 KHz
Enclosure: Vented design Port in front panel

Drive units:1. sealed ribbon tweeter
1. 110 mm ceramic MID/Bass driver

Finish: Black Piano

Amplification: > 50 W



(http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af12/notrace_photo/RaidhoX1_zps151aa279.jpg)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Rufus McDufus on February 25, 2014, 03:31
These do actually look seriously impressive and if they can give close-to C-1.1 or D-1 sound at that price they could be a winner.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on February 25, 2014, 12:32
These do actually look seriously impressive and if they can give close-to C-1.1 or D-1 sound at that price they could be a winner.

Precisely.

Same ribbon tweeter and aluminium front baffle as used on the highly regarded C & D series - so the house sound is guaranteed.   The front port could actually an advantage over the C & D series for small room implementations as are typical in Singapore.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: synthesis on February 25, 2014, 15:13
Good for surround.  ;)

Freq. response down to 80Hz only is too limiting, imo.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on February 25, 2014, 16:29
Good for surround.  ;)

Freq. response down to 80Hz only is too limiting, imo.

Maybe.

That said my Raidho C1's were specified at 50 Hz but in room they measured down to 36 Hz.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Marine on February 25, 2014, 17:02
what does in room measurement actually mean? does the room affect what frequency the speakers can produce or does it lowers the frequency produced by the speakers; i.e 50hz produced by the speakers is "processed" by the room to sound like 36hz?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on February 25, 2014, 17:54
There are different ways to measure loudspeaker frequency response.   Simplistically the most common is anechoically and referenced to something for example 0dB @ 1khz & 2.83v input for 8 ohms (1W).

Anechoic means free from reflections and is typically performed in special chambers.

The thing is we don’t listen to speakers in anechoic chambers.  We listen to them in living halls, small bedrooms and for the fortunate – dedicated audio rooms.   Whatever room we chose to listen in will influence the frequency response we end up hearing and indeed to achieve powerful bass a room must be involved to support it.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: audiokit on February 25, 2014, 22:18
What is the estimated list price for X-1?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Raidho on February 26, 2014, 04:27
Hi

The retail price for the X-1 incl. Stands is 7100 US$

Kind regards
Lars
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Rufus McDufus on March 01, 2014, 03:33
Great reviews of X-1 & D-5, including links to some pictures of Raidho's factory. Impressive stuff.
http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/masterpieces-from-avantgarde-and-raidho/
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: iosiP on March 01, 2014, 09:45
I would say Raidho missed on these!

If they were intended as the poor man's Raidho they're still too expensive, and the front-firing port is not going to help: while it allows for an easier placement it also prohibits the opportunity to tune the bass response. As for the fit-n'-finish, it's far from what I came to expect from Raidho.

Sorry, folks, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions!
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Rufus McDufus on March 01, 2014, 15:11
I agree, the X-1 isn't exactly 'cheap' by most people's standards but I'm willing to bet it outperforms most, if not all, standmounts in the same price bracket and probably most floorstanders too.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: joamonte on March 01, 2014, 15:20
I agree, the X-1 isn't exactly 'cheap' by most people's standards but I'm willing to bet it outperforms most, if not all, standmounts in the same price bracket and probably most floorstanders too.

For example?  ;D
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Rufus McDufus on March 01, 2014, 16:05
Everything there is - apart from (squints at your picture of your gear) some Sonus Faber standmounts. I hear they're pretty good!  ;)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: francis wu on March 01, 2014, 16:17
80HZ is a no no in my book! ;  Sorry 8)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: fgchong on March 01, 2014, 16:45
I heard both d1 and d2 at last Hong kong show and Mod Dac 2013 here in Singapore, spend about 20 minutes in each session.  IMO, both speakers are very musical but did not give me that impulsion to buy them.  Probably this X-1 has a much higher performance-price ratio compared to the D1, but to say that they can beat all stand-mounts at that price range is a bit far-fetched.......

Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on March 01, 2014, 17:13
I would say Raidho missed on these!

If they were intended as the poor man's Raidho they're still too expensive [...] 


And your point is?   They are much cheaper than any entry level product one can buy from Magico, Estelon, YG Acoustics, TAD or Tidal.

We should be happy to see a company with the pedigree of Raidho making technology it employs in its US$200,000+ D5 speakers accessible in a far more affordable speaker.


Jonathan Valin (of Absolute Sound) had this to say about the Raidho X-1

Quote from: Jonathan Valin
  Raidho's newest speaker, the first of what will be an entire X Series lineup, is the tiny $7000 X-1 two-way. Although I went to Pandrup to hear Raidho's new flagship D 5, the X-1 was in some ways just as impressive. When combined with Ansuz cables, vibration control, and power products (all designed by Borresen), the X-1 generated a wrap-around soundstage the likes of which I've only heard before from MBL's Radialstrahler omnis. The speaker's disappearing act within this truly vast and enveloping soundfield was ear-boggling! Plus it has a warm, rich, full balance similar to that of Raidho's great C 1.1. Simply put, it is a great transducer.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: hmvc on March 01, 2014, 19:45
A strong compliment comparing to mbl radial omnis which it's soundstage is legendary. I hvnt hear one that replicate the live environment that close. Real life music isn't pinpoint imaging.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: iosiP on March 01, 2014, 23:42
And your point is?   They are much cheaper than any entry level product one can buy from Magico, Estelon, YG Acoustics, TAD or Tidal.
My point is Raidho afficionados (myself included) will stick with the C/D series while newcomers won't be attracted by the (still high) price point. So if their goal was to introduce people on lower budgets to their brand, they missed it, while people who can afford their more expensive series won't care for the X series.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Rufus McDufus on March 02, 2014, 04:50
I'm quite interested by the X-1s despite owning C-1.1s. The reason being I have a small listening room (3.5x3.5 metres) with fairly limited options for placement. The X-1 seems a bit more versatile with the front-facing port. I would miss that bass though, but if the X-1 is anything like the C-1.1/D-1, the perceived bass seems a lot lower than the figures suggest. I previously had Audiovector floormounted speakers (Si3 Avantgarde Arrete) and I feel my C-1.1's go lower than those but the specifications say otherwise.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: jerome_the_lang on March 11, 2014, 13:35
Came across a report on some websites that if anyone face a problem with woofer driver popping sound during higher SPL levels, Raidho will make the necessary corrections totally FOC if speakers are shipped back to them.


Quote
Most owners of Raidho D-3 are very happy about their speakers both when it comes to sound and musicality.
In the past Michael and I have been following the threads “Raidho D-3 review” with highly interest and unfortunately it has showing up that a few costumers could have wished a greater power handling.
When you design and develop speakers, it is always a tradeoff, when it comes to power handling, reliability, sound, and music performance.
After developing our new Raidho D-5, we have got a lot of new ideas, if you are not 100% happy about your D-3, we are offering you the following.
We are upgrading your speakers for free, we also offer to help with all shipping documents, we only
ask that you pay the shipping cost to Denmark. We will pay for the shipping cost back to you.
What the upgrade offers you is: far better power handling (increase the AVG. SPL with more than 4 to 5 dB), better control in the low frequency area and better dynamic range…
To make the upgrade possible please contact Michael or me:
E-mail address: lk@raidho.dk or mb@raidho.dk.
Kind regards
Lars
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Doggie Howser on March 17, 2014, 00:56
http://jlvalin.zenfolio.com/p730237376/h15fd204e#h15fd204e

Along with the new D5 speakers :P

WOW
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Doggie Howser on March 17, 2014, 00:57
<a href="http://jlvalin.zenfolio.com/p730237376/e24b97fdb"><img src="http://jlvalin.zenfolio.com/img/s10/v114/p616136667-3.jpg" width="309" height="450" alt="Jonathan Valin: Raidho Acoustics, Pandrup and Aarhus, Denmark, February 2014 &emdash; " /></a>
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on March 17, 2014, 10:42
The Raidho listening room uses audiophile dried twigs tied in a bunch as room treatment. Hmmm, maybe I should invest in some post-CNY girl thinghy willows and local sapu-lily floor scrubbers to try in my room!
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Doggie Howser on March 17, 2014, 10:53
Someone pointed a link to a discussion that said Raidho has a recall for the D series where the woofer might pop if driven above 90dB.

Anyone affected?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: durianlover88 on March 17, 2014, 11:25
Wu Yia Bo? Driver popped out? I wonder 1Angmoh got drive his D2 above 90db...neber heard such things like this before..lol
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Doggie Howser on March 17, 2014, 11:32
http://audioshark.org/raidho-acoustics-75/raidho-d3-review-2405-page6.html
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Doggie Howser on March 17, 2014, 12:43
It should be fixed already as part of Raidho's plan. It's just that existing owners need to ship back to HQ.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: AndrewC on March 17, 2014, 18:17
http://audioshark.org/raidho-acoustics-75/raidho-d3-review-2405-page6.html

Very nice, thanks for posting!
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on April 03, 2014, 22:30
Bros,

Mike will be in town next week. Below is a copy of the invite.

Suggest that you to register early as i believe seating is limited.

(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u528/bigtree_huat-huat/MUSIK/raidho001_zpsvaznpm7c.jpg) (http://s1320.photobucket.com/user/bigtree_huat-huat/media/MUSIK/raidho001_zpsvaznpm7c.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: audiokit on April 04, 2014, 22:28
Bros,

Mike will be in town next week. Below is a copy of the invite.

Suggest that you to register early as i believe seating is limited.

(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u528/bigtree_huat-huat/MUSIK/raidho001_zpsvaznpm7c.jpg) (http://s1320.photobucket.com/user/bigtree_huat-huat/media/MUSIK/raidho001_zpsvaznpm7c.jpg.html)

Thanks for the lead, bro b3.

I have RSVPed.  Heard the C series floor standers previously.  Gonna see how these X1s perform...
Title: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: milk_vanilla on April 05, 2014, 14:14
Thanks b3,

Called Oey, and will visit if time allow on Monday.


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Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Hass on April 09, 2014, 15:35
any feedback on how this sounds?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: RAYRAY on September 15, 2014, 22:15
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdD8NdK4PJ0

Anyone who purchased X1?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: MrAcoustat on December 21, 2014, 08:51
2013 I heard the D-1s with Jeff Rowland gear and i was floored 2014 this time D-1s with Bel Canto real disaster BUT the X-1s with Jeff Rowland where a real winner and i'm not a box kind of guy. :) :) :)

(http://cdn-2.dastatic.com/forums/gallery/data/500/medium/Keep_It_Simple_1600x12001.JPG)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: chaconne_partita on February 04, 2015, 01:35
Just changed to Devialet 200 & pair with C1.1 w SAM, Impressive...   ;D
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: mirekti on May 28, 2015, 15:11
I was leaning towards C1.1, but given my room size now I am closer to X1. Will try to pair it with Devialet, either 120 or 200.
One thing confuses me a bit. I watched a video where the C1.1 stands were presented, and the guy claims if you put them on a regular stands the speakers will lose their magic.
That brings me to X1 which use different type of stands. I read on another forum, one would need to extra decouple X1 stands.

Anyone here uses X1, and if so could you share your experience?
In theory, would C1.1 work well with these stands http://www.ultimatesupport.com/product/MS-90-36B (decoupled at 4 points) or there is something special in Raidho stands?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: milk_vanilla on May 28, 2015, 15:50
There's sort like decoupled "darkz" in d1 or c1.1 stand :)


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Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: chaconne_partita on June 26, 2015, 23:46
I was leaning towards C1.1, but given my room size now I am closer to X1. Will try to pair it with Devialet, either 120 or 200.
One thing confuses me a bit. I watched a video where the C1.1 stands were presented, and the guy claims if you put them on a regular stands the speakers will lose their magic.
That brings me to X1 which use different type of stands. I read on another forum, one would need to extra decouple X1 stands.

Anyone here uses X1, and if so could you share your experience?
In theory, would C1.1 work well with these stands http://www.ultimatesupport.com/product/MS-90-36B (decoupled at 4 points) or there is something special in Raidho stands?
How small is your room size? X1 is really small. Sound wise, X1 is a big compromise vs. C1.1.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: pioneer123 on July 21, 2015, 19:19
I just bought a pair of X1's to partner with my Devialet 120, eagerly waiting for them to arrive at the beginning of next month.
Will report back once they are broken in a little
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on July 21, 2015, 20:08
congrats!!!


I just bought a pair of X1's to partner with my Devialet 120, eagerly waiting for them to arrive at the beginning of next month.
Will report back once they are broken in a little
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on July 26, 2015, 09:39
I just bought a pair of X1's to partner with my Devialet 120, eagerly waiting for them to arrive at the beginning of next month.
Will report back once they are broken in a little

Congratulations, wonderful combo.  Don't forget to budget for some Ansuz cables - if you haven't already.  :-)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: sknight on August 03, 2015, 19:38
Hi all. Would C1.1 suit my room size of 3 by 3.5? I have no sound treatment but uses Harmonix Room Disc.

Also if kind soul can PM the price. Thank all  gurus.
Title: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: milk_vanilla on August 03, 2015, 20:26
I think should be fine,  or you might take a look x1 model for safe bet. If my memory is right about ~18k, you may look after AVI for best deal :)


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Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: sknight on August 03, 2015, 21:54
great, will go check it out next week.  ;D
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on August 04, 2015, 10:24
D1 is superior over C1 due to the diamond coated mid/bass. If your room can take the extra bass slam. D1 plays very well at low volumes if keeping the rest of family happy is important. D1 is priced just above $20k.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: sknight on August 05, 2015, 19:29
Thanks all for the advices. Will drop by next week to have a listen. Nowadays rooms too small. Sigh.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on August 05, 2015, 19:35
wat is your current amp/setup?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: sknight on August 09, 2015, 22:53
wat is your current amp/setup?

On AR Ref Pre 5 SE and Power 150. Sources both CDP and TT. All through balanced.
I believe this should not be an issue to drive the c1.1 not able to go for D series.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: francishuang on August 09, 2015, 23:45
Do request for a home trial if possible
Arc and raidho, u may wana hear it 1st
Its not the type of sound the designer is trying to achieve, but it may just work for u due to personal preference
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: murphys33 on August 10, 2015, 07:52
Raidho speakers are not easy to drive and careful amplification is needed. Coherence can be quite an issue without the right amp. I was considering the D2, vivid giya G3 and Mbl. Ruled out the Mbl as I felt that getting the soundstage right with omni directional speakers can be tricky.
AVI does give home trials for serious buyers and their service is top notch. Never know if the speakers suit your arc until u try it in yr home.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: sknight on August 20, 2015, 08:12
Can advice who should I look for at AV I?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on August 20, 2015, 08:56
Look for Wee (Oey).
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Jeremy1 on August 26, 2015, 19:20
Can advice who should I look for at AV I?

Andy.......................... :)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: sknight on August 28, 2015, 20:49
Had a listen to the D1 and X1. Amazing speakers.
Great service form AVI
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: chaconne_partita on September 11, 2015, 23:03
Hi all. Would C1.1 suit my room size of 3 by 3.5? I have no sound treatment but uses Harmonix Room Disc.

Also if kind soul can PM the price. Thank all  gurus.

The room size should be fine for C1.1.
This is similar to my current room size.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: maslak34 on September 13, 2015, 16:50
Hi guys - I'm the friend of Avantgarde in Florida!  :).   Yes, my D3's arrived late last night and have almost 24 hours on them now.   They sound great.   I am using Classe CAM600's and a Classe CP800, but I have plans for new amps/preamp.  I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions.  I've heard Raidho's with Audionet (high resolution, but not as musical as I like), Soulution 501/520 (surprisingly - not as high a resolution as the audionet, but more musical), my Audio Research Reference 250's (let's just say....definitely not a fit....zero control of the woofers), Constellation (no bass slam, punch, etc.) and now the Classe.  Good for breaking in the D3's, but certainly not a destination amp.

Prior to owning the D3's, I owned the fabulous D1's (although after recent listening sessions, I think I may prefer the c1.1 as they appeared to have a tighter bass).

I am trying to an amp that offers extremely good bass control (you must get control of those Diamond woofers with high damping factor/slew rate IMO) and also offers high resolution and is musical.  My budget for amps/preamp is around $80,000 USD.

Is Rowland a good match?  Soulution? D'Agostino?  Accuphase A200?  Other?

I welcome suggestions.  Thank you.

Try Ypsilon Aelius monoblocks with their outstanding pre amp. With raidho they are a match made in heaven.. Aelius I first 60 w in class hybrid power amp
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: maslak34 on September 13, 2015, 17:01
Can you please explain the differences between Absolute Dream and Ansuz? I am driving my Raidho D-1s with Ypsilon Aelius monos and trying to pick the best speaker & power cable. Currently using Jorma Origo SC, PC & ICs. The Jorma's add a bit of midbass warmth and in my view they are incompatible with the Raidhos. Tried the Nordost Valhalla 2 that were to thin for my taste (midbass wamth is gone!). Also tried the Ansuz entry level (Labeled P?) that was excellent. Trying to understand what I will gain with the S & C lines. I think the D is overkill? Also considering the Crystal Line for power cords mainly.

Also placed 3 Darkz/Ceramic elevators under the CD and pre and 3 Sparkz in the power distribution and got fantastic results. I cannot comment correctly on the changes, however it seems like I have upgraded my power cords! Fantastic stuff, Highly recommended.

Try stage III concepts cables with ypsilon they are the best cable match for Ypsilon.. Kraken power cord can deliver 40amps to your monos
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Hass on December 03, 2015, 01:16
Anyone knows wats the indicative price for C2.1 & D2?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Audio on December 03, 2015, 10:20
Bro Bigtree would know......

(Audio)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on December 03, 2015, 10:26
Call AVI's Oey at 68873789 / 98638877.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Hass on December 03, 2015, 11:06
not close to buying yet so paiseh to call up dealers ah. found this on google. USD28K for C2.1 USD43 for D2. This is rockport territory. not within reach...
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on December 03, 2015, 11:27
my C3.1 is with GS. All the drivers were replaced recently by AVI recently.

You can PM Alan for pricing if you interested.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Jeremy1 on December 03, 2015, 11:33
Hi Bro, that time I make a trip down to AVone and had a talk with Andy, a very friendly guy. We talked for 3 hours till close to 7pm. You can went down and chat with him.

If I am not mistaken, the D2 is tagged at $59K. Below is the D1 and I believed it's tagged at $39K.

(http://i.imgur.com/unyurin.jpg?1)

The build of the D1 with the stand is just gorgeous.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on December 03, 2015, 11:35
you meant AVI?

Hi Bro, that time I make a trip down to AVone and had a talk with Andy, a very friendly guy. We talked for 3 hours till close to 7pm. You can went down and chat with him.

If I am not mistaken, the D2 is tagged at $59K. Below is the D1 and I believed it's tagged at $39K.

The build of the D1 with the stand is just gorgeous.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on December 03, 2015, 11:36
If you need something small but good, with impressive bass response for their size, and at much lower price than Raidho, go check out Vivid. Not the Giya series but the V1 and B1. That is if you do not mind the unusual shape. 
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Jeremy1 on December 03, 2015, 11:37
you meant AVI?

Oh, yah. It's AVI at Millenia Walk.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Jeremy1 on December 03, 2015, 11:40
If you need something small but good, with impressive bass response for their size, and at much lower price than Raidho, go check out Vivid. Not the Giya series but the V1 and B1. That is if you do not mind the unusual shape.

I think the WAF for Giya speaker is very high.  :)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on December 03, 2015, 11:45
I think the WAF for Giya speaker is very high.  :)

The price of the Giya series, even the smallest G4 is in the same range as the Raidhos
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Jeremy1 on December 03, 2015, 12:03
The price of the Giya series, even the smallest G4 is in the same range as the Raidhos

Yup but the build quality of the Giya is really solid. It's really looked very attractive for luxury home.

I think price wise for Rockport, Raidho, Magico and Giya range about the same if comparing their reference models.

If got $$$, can buy their G4 and put in the bedroom............... ;D
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Jeremy1 on December 03, 2015, 13:24

      [imghttp://(http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk186/Larry_Loh/Halloween-Kids-Ghost-3_zpsfkbfqqka.gif) (http://s280.photobucket.com/user/Larry_Loh/media/Halloween-Kids-Ghost-3_zpsfkbfqqka.gif.html)][/img]

Cannot put inside the bed room-taboo

Too big ?  ::)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Audio on December 03, 2015, 16:31
Yup but the build quality of the Giya is really solid. It's really looked very attractive for luxury home.

I think price wise for Rockport, Raidho, Magico and Giya range about the same if comparing their reference models.

If got $$$, can buy their G4 and put in the bedroom............... ;D

I felt one name of the 4 shouldn't be there.  It is expensive but the sound is like nuts, cannot match the other 3 brands.

(Audio)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on December 03, 2015, 17:19
I felt one name of the 4 shouldn't be there.  It is expensive but the sound is like nuts, cannot match the other 3 brands.

(Audio)

Quite right.  One of the four above should not be used in the same sentence.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: fgchong on December 03, 2015, 20:12
I felt one name of the 4 shouldn't be there.  It is expensive but the sound is like nuts, cannot match the other 3 brands.

(Audio)

Let me guess......I heard the various models of the 4 brands and personally I like Vivid the most in term of overall music performance but I just can't take their shape. I heard the Atria and Avior many times in Singapore and Hongkong with different systems, my sense is that their level of performance is not up to par as compared to their asking price..just my opinion, meant no offence to all Rockport owners...
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Jeremy1 on December 03, 2015, 20:43
I felt one name of the 4 shouldn't be there.  It is expensive but the sound is like nuts, cannot match the other 3 brands.

(Audio)

Quite right.  One of the four above should not be used in the same sentence.

Which one ?  ::)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Jeremy1 on December 03, 2015, 20:49
Let me guess......I heard the various models of the 4 brands and personally I like Vivid the most in term of overall music performance but I just can't take their shape.

Vivid shape I think very nice and well done, a change from a boxy to a curvy kind of look and the plus point is you can choose from a variety of colour to match your listening room.

But the price is...................... :o
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: murphys33 on December 04, 2015, 05:46
Let me guess......I heard the various models of the 4 brands and personally I like Vivid the most in term of overall music performance but I just can't take their shape. I heard the Atria and Avior many times in Singapore and Hongkong with different systems, my sense is that their level of performance is not up to par as compared to their asking price..just my opinion, meant no offence to all Rockport owners...

The shape of the vivid is non conventional. You either love it or hate it. I think most wives tend to favour this over the traditional  box speaker shape. For me this is the first cone speaker that caught my attention after many years of playing with planar. I have narrowed my choices to the raidho and giya and picked the giya. it does several genre of music well and is quite forgiving of poor recordings. Even MP3 material sounds listenable. Ymmv.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: fgchong on December 04, 2015, 08:56
The shape of the vivid is non conventional. You either love it or hate it. I think most wives tend to favour this over the traditional  box speaker shape. For me this is the first cone speaker that caught my attention after many years of playing with planar. I have narrowed my choices to the raidho and giya and picked the giya. it does several genre of music well and is quite forgiving of poor recordings. Even MP3 material sounds listenable. Ymmv.

Ha...ha...ha...looks like my wife differs from the rest, she was the one that strongly objected when I show her the photo and hinted that I might be buying one...

Honestly, if not for the shape, I would also choose the giya over the raidho for the type of music I usually listen to.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: planet on July 03, 2016, 17:28
Hi. Is Raidho XT-series is the entry level speaker? Thanks.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: ANS on July 07, 2016, 20:12
Announcement

We are pleased to announce that Audio Note S'pore has just been appointed new distributor for Raidho in Singapore and Malaysia. New shipment of X and D series speakers expected within the next week or so.
Stay tuned for further details, and please feel free to post any questions/inquiries about Raidho. We will try to reply as promptly as possible. Cheers!

Where to audition Raidho Acoustics:

Audio Note S'pore Pte Ltd
1 Coleman St. #03-35
The Adelphi S179803
Tel: 63347639
email: info@hifi.com.sg
www.hifi.com.sg
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: ANS on July 07, 2016, 20:21
Hi. Is Raidho XT-series is the entry level speaker? Thanks.

The X series is Raidho's entry level range of speakers.

http://raidho.dk/product-showcase/x-series/
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: ANS on July 08, 2016, 16:48
Raidho D-4.1 will be on demo in our showroom pretty soon. First time in Singapore!

https://scontent-sin1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13407124_492764187587575_8273632753470726651_n.jpg?oh=5b17c026273c177e185583bb8cbe0d2a&oe=57EADE87
Title: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: nfnc on July 03, 2017, 07:22
Interesting development - Raidho has been sold?

http://www.audioshark.org/raidho-acoustics-75/raidho-so-now-what-12340.html
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: AndrewC on July 04, 2017, 06:22
Interesting development - Raidho has been sold.

http://www.audioshark.org/raidho-acoustics-75/raidho-so-now-what-12340.html

Interesting. That was a relatively short run ;D
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: audioworld2011 on July 04, 2017, 20:12
Another star has fallen....just like Thiel speaker? Hopefully verything is better in future. ::)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on July 05, 2017, 13:15
wah! Congrats Lars and Michael! must be counting money ho hoi sum now!
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on July 16, 2017, 12:52
Interesting development - Raidho has been sold?

http://www.audioshark.org/raidho-acoustics-75/raidho-so-now-what-12340.html


No.  Raidho Acoustics has not been sold and fully continues operations. 

Raidho Acoustics was sold to Dantax in 2009, the sale enabling resources which have been invested in increasing the product range. 

The real news is that the original founders of Raidho have recently left the company to focus on other brands they are building.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: AndrewC on July 16, 2017, 14:20
...
The real news is that the original founders of Raidho have recently left the company to focus on other brands they are building.

Same end result though ;D
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: noob.teo on July 31, 2017, 16:10
(https://i.imgur.com/AxXeo4J.gif)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: blue_starfish on August 01, 2017, 12:10
The Aavik integrated was on show at the KLIAV show. Lars was the showman as usual. The amp has a built-in full function phono that is very quiet, and the settings are software controlled from front panel. The power section is Class-D. According to Lars, the design goals were quietness and power. The used the integrated to drive the Raidho D2 speakers.

Lars was quick to point out that all Raidho speakers and Aavik do not have any right-angle corners in order to eliminate hysterisis, which along with mechanical and electrical grounding makes their products very quiet.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: stealth on August 11, 2018, 20:44
(http://i67.tinypic.com/15nubrs.jpg)

Raidho Acoustic’s Rune Skov will be here to share with us the soul of Raidho and Scansonic.
Don’t miss this opportunity to hear from him what makes their speakers brings music to life.

Date: 14 August 2018 Tuesday
Time: 5-7pm
Venue: #03-35 The Adelphi

Make a date with us. Space is limited. RSVP now at +65 63347639 or email info@hifi.com.sg


Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: reno77 on August 16, 2018, 18:07
Thomas and Stereo did an episode featuring Raidho speakers in a $300k system..
https://youtu.be/VedRT3dCDnk
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: qflyer on August 16, 2018, 18:15
Raidho speakers no bass.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on August 18, 2018, 22:22
Michael Børresen who together with Lars Kristensen founded Raidho Acoustics in 2002 and sold it to Dantax A/S in 2009 and left Dantax in June 2017 have recently announced their latest audio venture – Borresen Audio.

In a recent Facebook posting Borresen Audio showed photos of their upcoming loudspeaker range.

The range incorporates Michael Borresen’s latest thoughts on air flow and driver design with the clear ambition to advance his earlier efforts at Raidho Acoustics and surpass other leading loudspeaker manufacturers such as Magico.

Of particular interest to me is the new vented tweeter design.  Physically larger than the design for Raidho the ultralight tweeter is expected to improve resolution proffering a dramatic increase in low level detail and producing music that is full of immediacy, presence, communication and sophistication.   The Raidho tweeter was already outstanding and I have not heard any box speaker that resolves and reproduces more detail than the Raidho’s do so the prospect of a further improved planar magnetic tweeter is very exciting.

Then there’s a new carbon honeycomb woofer.   What will that bring to the party?   Greater power handling, improved bass definition, even quieter blacker backgrounds courtesy of lower levels of distortion?   We will have to wait to see, but I think it’s a given that Børresen Audio has a clear reference in mind and won’t release products that don’t exceed this.

What do you think of the look?

(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff183/kiwi_1282001/Borresen%20Audio%20Model%2001.jpg)
Photo:  Borresen Audio Model 01 – Shelf / Stand mount loudspeaker

(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff183/kiwi_1282001/Borresen%20Audio%20Model%2001_1.jpg)

(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff183/kiwi_1282001/Borresen%20Audio%20Model%2002.jpg)
Photo:  Borresen Audio Model 02 – 2.5 way floor standing loudspeaker

(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff183/kiwi_1282001/Borresen%20Audio%20Model%202.jpg)

(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff183/kiwi_1282001/Borresen%20Audio%20Model%203.jpg)
Photo:  Borresen Audio Model 03 – 3.5 way floor standing loudspeaker

(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff183/kiwi_1282001/Borresen%20Audio%20Model%2003.jpg)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: wusplay on August 18, 2018, 22:56
Certainly Raidho lookalike
The question is how much
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: AndrewC on August 19, 2018, 07:24
How long before they do another runner and ditch their customers this time?  ;D
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: qflyer on August 19, 2018, 09:59
new speakers same small drivers, all in two words no bass.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: francishuang on August 19, 2018, 10:07
This really doesnt look good on them...kinda sinister

How long before they do another runner and ditch their customers this time?  ;D
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on August 19, 2018, 10:49
How long before they do another runner and ditch their customers this time?  ;D

I believe you have already grasped that their customers which are largely very well-heeled and very enthusiastic about high-fidelity sound reproduction are likely to “run” with them.   ;D


Certainly Raidho lookalike
The question is how much

I understand Borresen Audio will release pricing during the upcoming debut at the 15th Annual Rocky Mountain International Audio Fest (RMAF) in Denver, Colorado in early October.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: crazysurfer on August 19, 2018, 12:11
I believe you have already grasped that their customers which are largely very well-heeled and very enthusiastic about high-fidelity sound reproduction are likely to “run” with them.   ;D

Continue milking the cows while they still can.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: macrotrust on August 19, 2018, 12:14
The pricing should be in between Scansonic and Raidho speaker- these will be their positioning Unless Raidho lower the price as to get "rid" of them.  Wondering if the bass could perform its job.

The Ribbon tweeter is one of the best- that i have heard- Maybe Bro Ansuzsin the appointed agent. hahahah.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: bigtree on August 19, 2018, 13:46
wah!! I will hoot the bookshelves if broler Ansuzsin is agent.

The pricing should be in between Scansonic and Raidho speaker- these will be their positioning Unless Raidho lower the price as to get "rid" of them.  Wondering if the bass could perform its job.

The Ribbon tweeter is one of the best- that i have heard- Maybe Bro Ansuzsin the appointed agent. hahahah.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: crazysurfer on August 19, 2018, 14:14
wah!! I will hoot the bookshelves if broler Ansuzsin is agent.


I may consider the Model 3 if he is willing to do a trade with top-up, like what he does for the Ansuz.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on August 19, 2018, 14:23
The pricing should be in between Scansonic and Raidho speaker- these will be their positioning Unless Raidho lower the price as to get "rid" of them.  Wondering if the bass could perform its job.

The Ribbon tweeter is one of the best- that i have heard- Maybe Bro Ansuzsin the appointed agent. hahahah.

Given the designer of the Borresen Audio Model 01 stand mount loudspeaker is aiming for performance that surpasses the Raidho D-1.1 and the Magico Q1 I doubt pricing will be in the Scansonic territory.

I completely agree, the sealed ribbon tweeter which was designed by Michael Borresen for Raidho is widely regarded one of the best tweeters out there so the prospect of Borresen’s latest ribbon tweeter design advancing this has me giddy with excitement.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: AndrewC on August 19, 2018, 18:36
http://borresen-acoustics.com (http://borresen-acoustics.com)

Obviously they mismanaged Raidho, which resulted in them having to sell the company... Question is, whats different this time?  :)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: francishuang on August 19, 2018, 20:25
I think the tweeter design is by a team from a university in denmark

Given the designer of the Borresen Audio Model 01 stand mount loudspeaker is aiming for performance that surpasses the Raidho D-1.1 and the Magico Q1 I doubt pricing will be in the Scansonic territory.

I completely agree, the sealed ribbon tweeter which was designed by Michael Borresen for Raidho is widely regarded one of the best tweeters out there so the prospect of Borresen’s latest ribbon tweeter design advancing this has me giddy with excitement.
Title: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: nfnc on August 19, 2018, 21:44
http://borresen-acoustics.com (http://borresen-acoustics.com)

Obviously they mismanaged Raidho, which resulted in them having to sell the company... Question is, whats different this time? 

Bit hard to read from this (since deleted) Facebook post by Lars as to whether they (gleefully or not) sold off their stake in the company to Dantax.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180819/42ac56b9fc54a8d21a1e14b7afa705c6.png)

Still, it looks like MB is moving away from (or abandoning?) the ceramic / diamond drivers, which must have added considerably to the parts cost, to honeycomb carbon drivers. 

Must say though, the improvement from the C1 ceramic to the D1 diamond drivers was quite discernible when I heard them.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on August 19, 2018, 22:07
I think the tweeter design is by a team from a university in denmark


There is a manufacturing process collaboration for the Raidho D-series woofer.   The advanced machinery capable of depositing a layer of diamond on the membranes of Raidho’s drivers is housed at Danish Technological Institute in Aarhus.

[...]   Must say though, the improvement from the C1 ceramic to the D1 diamond drivers was quite discernible when I heard them.

Agreed.  While there were no measurable differences between the C and D-series; the sound difference is quite discernible.   

The prospect that Borresen Audio’s new loudspeaker range may surpass both is quite exciting.

To your other comment, Dantax A/S acquired Raidho in 2009.   The acquisition gave Raidho the resources (human, manufacturing and financial) to undertake further R&D and significantly broaden the product range – most notably leading to the launch of multi award winning Raidho D-series in 2013.   Dantax A/S has a history of acquiring audio companies and has just recently (2018) completed the acquisition of GamuT.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: AndrewC on August 22, 2018, 08:26
Bit hard to read from this (since deleted) Facebook post by Lars as to whether they (gleefully or not) sold off their stake in the company to Dantax.
...

Tracking the history, sounds like they sold in '09 and continued to work as employees. And eventually left to (apparently) focus on electronics & cables. I'm guessing the non-compete clause from Dantax must have expired by now hence the new coming out of Borrensen Acoustics. I'm sure it'll sound good, these days no competently designed speaker sounds bad. Neither the vented tweeter design nor the honeycomb carbon based cones are new to the market... so I'm not sure what they're bringing to the table except for nice aesthetics ;)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on August 23, 2018, 20:26
(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff183/kiwi_1282001/Borresen%20Audio%20Model%2001%20with%20Stand.jpg)

Anyone else find the new Børresen Audio speakers aesthetically pleasing?   

The stand mount model 01 is photo'd above.

Dimensionally the Borresen Audio Model 01 is a little narrower but deeper than the Raidho D-1.1
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: wusplay on August 23, 2018, 22:51
The vent cut so deep into the speakers... nevertheless look good to me.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Doggie Howser on August 23, 2018, 23:03
Tracking the history, sounds like they sold in '09 and continued to work as employees. And eventually left to (apparently) focus on electronics & cables. I'm guessing the non-compete clause from Dantax must have expired by now hence the new coming out of Borrensen Acoustics. I'm sure it'll sound good, these days no competently designed speaker sounds bad. Neither the vented tweeter design nor the honeycomb carbon based cones are new to the market... so I'm not sure what they're bringing to the table except for nice aesthetics ;)

Sometimes it is hard to tell from the outside.

I heard from an insider of another hifi company where the company was "sold" to a supplier who was overcharging for their components. The debts piled up and the company was suddenly owned by the supplier. The owners stayed on for a while contractually and then left to start another firm. I guess they weren't good business people, they just were good engineers.

Something similar happened to my aunt (different industry).
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: AndrewC on August 24, 2018, 00:11
Sometimes it is hard to tell from the outside.

...

True... And Entrepreneurs aren't always the best at running companies  ;)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: wusplay on August 24, 2018, 02:40
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-speakers/1799065-official-raidho-scansonic-thread-86.html#post56633308

Cut & paste:
"Michael B was let go from Raidho because he didn't churn out speakers fast enough. Lars stayed with Mike. It took Mike 4 years to design the D4.1 for example. Mike also fought with Peter J when he came out with the .1 version of the D series to offer upgrades. Peter wanted Raidho customers just to buy the .1's. Same for the C .2 series. Peter also expected Mike to have at least 1 new design each year."
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: hanger_shawn on September 02, 2018, 15:38
Spoke to micheal on a few ocassion on messager , the new line will be available on october . And prices is appox ceramic and diamond price of the current raidho line hahaha .
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on September 03, 2018, 09:32
Spoke to micheal on a few ocassion on messager , the new line will be available on october . And prices is appox ceramic and diamond price of the current raidho line hahaha .

The US Dollar MSRP price list is below.   I'm not sure yet who will be representing Borresen Acoustics in Singapore.

Price list

BØRRESEN 01 compact monitor USD MSRP

Walnut veneer Darkz C resonance control 01-W-C $30.000
Walnut veneer Darkz D2 resonance control 01-W-D2 $31.500
Walnut veneer Darkz D-TC resonance control 01-W-DTC $32.500
Custom colors - high gloss finish* Darkz C resonance control 01-C-C $34.000
Custom colors - high gloss finish* Darkz D2 resonance control 01-C-D2 $35.500
Custom colors - high gloss finish* Darkz D-TC resonance control 01-C-DTC $36.500
BØRRESEN monitor stand loudspeaker stand for Børresen 01 MS $5.000

BØRRESEN 02 floor standing loudspeaker

Walnut veneer Darkz C resonance control 02-W-C $45.000
Walnut veneer Darkz D2 resonance control 02-W-D2 $46.500
Walnut veneer Darkz D-TC resonance control 02-W-DTC $47.500
Custom colors - high gloss finish* Darkz C resonance control 02-C-C $50.300
Custom colors - high gloss finish* Darkz D2 resonance control 02-C-D2 $51.800
Custom colors - high gloss finish* Darkz D-TC resonance control 02-C-DTC $52.800

BØRRESEN 03 floor standing loudspeaker

Walnut veneer Darkz C resonance control 03-W-C $66.000
Walnut veneer Darkz D2 resonance control 03-W-D2 $67.500
Walnut veneer Darkz D-TC resonance control 03-W-DTC $68.500
Custom colors - high gloss finish* Darkz C resonance control 03-C-C $73.100
Custom colors - high gloss finish* Darkz D2 resonance control 03-C-D2 $74.600
Custom colors - high gloss finish* Darkz D-TC resonance control 03-C-DTC $75.600


More information on the product from Audioshark (USA) forum - some of which is copied below:

http://www.audioshark.org/speakers-10/new-borresen-line-speakers-14873.html (http://www.audioshark.org/speakers-10/new-borresen-line-speakers-14873.html)



Børresen Acoustics – Better by Design?

Well, the Børresen Acoustics price list may be out but the million dollar question remains – that is, what has Michael Børresen produced this time and how might it be an advance over his amazing design efforts for the Raidho and Scansonic brands?

At first glance there does not seem to be a lot differences between the Børresen Acoustics and Raidho Acoustics designs, but looks can be deceiving. 

Looking at the similarities, both brands employ high resolution ribbon tweeters combined with light stiff high speed woofers.  Both ranges are ported with an advanced air-flow system designed for optimal energy management and release and thereby permit the use of attractive domestically friendly cabinets of vastly smaller profile than sealed designs.    Yes, both even use Ansuz for internal wiring and it’s my understanding the Raidho will continue to use Ansuz cables internally even if they have recently appeared to shun their external use at tradeshows.   Finally, pricing is very similar as well with the walnut Raidho D-1.1 retailing for US$29k and the walnut Børresen Model 01 retailing for US$30k.

(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff183/kiwi_1282001/Borresen%20Mock%20Brochure_low%20Res_are%20you%20really%20reading%20this_1.jpg)
Photo:  Artists impression of Borresen Acoustics Model 01


So what’s different?

The key difference is the drivers and more specifically the driver mechanics.   The original Raidho ribbon tweeter was designed 15 years ago and it’s really what kick-started the company.   At that time Raidho was not a well-known loudspeaker brand and it wasn’t until 2008 aided by the benefit of increased exposure and positive reviews of the Arya C-1.0 2-way monitor that the world really started to take notice.    I remember around the same period auditioning the C-1.0 in a dealer showroom in Singapore.   The dealer carried the KEF reference loudspeaker range but after auditioning the C-1.0 I was so completely besotted that I did something I’d never done before – I said I’d buy them even without asking how much they were!   The C1’s were a small wonder, quite simply the most revealing speaker of pure musicianship I’d heard.  The resolution was tremendous, right across the impressive frequency range and from front to back where the C1 opened deep wide soundstages.

But time marches on and other than a mild revision to the ribbon tweeter with the .1 series the foundation has essentially remained static for 15 years.  Nonetheless it’s a testament to its design quality that the tweeter is still widely considered as one of the best in the world today.   

Michael Børresen has designed an all new tweeter; one which he feels far surpasses his earlier effort.   The new ribbon tweeter has a totally different using an even lighter membrane of revised and improved pattern, a stronger motor system and greater power handling.   The speed at which the tweeter is able to track audio signals and the increase in dynamic headroom sees the introduction of tweeter side vents.  While the old Raidho tweeter was also vented, it wasn’t as obviously so in the models below the D-5.1.   Further an increase in the tweeters frequency response means the cross-over point to the woofer has also been reduced to further enhance integration.   And speaking of the woofer it is also all new.  Taking on-board market feedback and learnings during his time with Raidho the new 4.5 inch woofer is revolutionary.  The new woofer has no iron and less moving weight being one of the lightest and stiffest ever made.   The woofer has increased dynamic headroom and improved efficiency.  In sum the overall design focus for both drivers has been on reducing dynamic compression, increasing dynamic headroom, optimizing transient response and enhancing micro resolution.

If you are looking for close up photos of the new tweeter and woofer – you won’t find any yet.   The reason for this is that the innovative driver designs have been submitted for patent protection.

Michael has also further refined the airflow system.  Børresen Acoustics like Raidho before it eschews massive tomb like inert resonance dead cabinets.  Instead they incorporate air flow technologies which are the result of speaker cabinet airflow research where the speaker cabinets are influenced by time defined partial air reflex impulses caused by the defined interior architecture and overall shape of the cabinet – a beautifully crafted lute shape with an airflow vent port system in the rear.   The air flow design reduces the need for extensive cabinet damping material in favor of system regulated mechanical damping.   This the designer believes this has many advantages including reduced cabinet weight and resulting sound that is pure and a better imitation of the sound of natural musical instruments.
 
Finally, those of you who are presently use cable and accessories from Ansuz Acoustics will really appreciate the sonic improvements afforded by the passive and an active coil technologies used in products like the Mainz8, Ansuz D·TC and 2-series cables.  When these products are employed users frequently report how stunned they are when presented with previously unheard natural micro details present in recordings which are they are familiar with.   It goes without saying Børresen Acoustics new loudspeaker range draws heavily upon Ansuz’s most advanced Tesla Coil technologies and mechanical grounding devices as a performance differentiator between it, Raidho and other loudspeaker manufacturers.

So, will they be worth there price tag?   As with all things audio I’m sure opinion will be divided.  To arrive at any sensible conclusion one needs to hear them and the first public opportunity for that will be at the RMAF show in Denver,  Colorado; Oct 5-7.
Title: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: nfnc on September 03, 2018, 13:23
Ambitious pricing, if they sell at MSRP. 

Crystal gazing here ... it only makes sense for B speakers to be distributed by the same dealer as A cables. Would be interesting if there was a change in dealer for A cables or R speakers. Can’t envision the same dealer doing both B and R speakers.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on September 03, 2018, 15:21
Ambitious pricing, if they sell at MSRP. 

Crystal gazing here ... it only makes sense for B speakers to be distributed by the same dealer as A cables. Would be interesting if there was a change in dealer for A cables or R speakers. Can’t envision the same dealer doing both B and R speakers.

MSRP is the Manufacturers “suggested” retail price and not necessarily the price retailer’s use or the price consumers pay.

If you follow the Audioshark forum link (provided above) you will read a comment from a former Raidho dealer that in North America quite a few dealers have recently dropped the Raidho brand.

Borresen Acoustics is positioning itself as an upgrade for Raidho owners – so if you own existing Raidho customer relationships it might make sense to carry Borresen speakers.   I am aware of at least one US dealer who has indicating they are carrying both brands.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: nfnc on September 03, 2018, 15:46
Hence my comment, “if” they sell at MSRP.  They never do, do they?

I do participate on AS. In the local market, as you would be aware, the distributor is generally also the dealer.  It would be interesting to see if the local distributor/dealer will carry both speaker lines. The investment in inventory would be hefty.





Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on September 03, 2018, 18:45
Hence my comment, “if” they sell at MSRP.  They never do, do they?   

Yes, the "if" was noted and understood. I was simply trying to be tactful with the reply.   ;D 

Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on September 09, 2018, 08:18
Audio Note Singapore have indicated that Borresen Acoustics loudspeakers will shortly grace their showroom.

http://hifi.com.sg/journal/sview.asp?id=1169
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: AndrewC on September 10, 2018, 11:02
Ambitious pricing, if they sell at MSRP. 
...

To say the least... Real value can be seen when it starts hitting the 2nd hand market, as opposed to inflated initial market entry ;)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: DJQ on September 10, 2018, 15:57
Wah deep and true. But sometimes alot of other factors at play...
Title: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: nfnc on September 10, 2018, 17:11
Audio Note Singapore have indicated that Borresen Acoustics loudspeakers will shortly grace their showroom.

http://hifi.com.sg/journal/sview.asp?id=1169

Hmm ... can one mountain contain two tigers?

Coincidental, surely - Raidho D3.1 and D1.1 on sale with 50% or thereabouts savings. Ex-dems? Good opportunity for those on the lookout.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180910/d6a7eca1ef7374c1d5210fb7a1f56b1f.jpg)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: francishuang on September 10, 2018, 17:32
Whom ever can give better pricing remains?

Hmm ... can one mountain contain two tigers?

Coincidental, surely - Raidho D3.1 and D1.1 on sale with 50% or thereabouts savings. Ex-dems? Good opportunity for those on the lookout.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180910/d6a7eca1ef7374c1d5210fb7a1f56b1f.jpg)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on September 10, 2018, 17:32
[...] Real value can be seen when it starts hitting the 2nd hand market, as opposed to inflated initial market entry ;)

So you judge “real value” on resale price? 

Personally, I think the real essence of product value revolves around the benefit a customer receives from it.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on September 10, 2018, 17:44
Hmm ... can one mountain contain two tigers?

Coincidental, surely - Raidho D3.1 and D1.1 on sale with 50% or thereabouts savings. Ex-dems? Good opportunity for those on the lookout.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180910/d6a7eca1ef7374c1d5210fb7a1f56b1f.jpg)


Interesting.   Listed by Music Image.   Used products.  Traded in perhaps?   
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: AndrewC on September 10, 2018, 18:14
So you judge “real value” on resale price? 

Personally, I think the real essence of product value revolves around the benefit a customer receives from it.

It wasn’t obvious to you from the context of nfnc's post that I replied to that my post was about the real commercial value of the speaker, meaning what the market is willing to pay for the speaker, rather than the MSRP that the manufacturer thinks they can get, or what you seem to be suggesting, the “value” an individual attaches to their purchase??
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: qflyer on September 10, 2018, 19:59
Even the d3.1 has got no bass.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: wusplay on September 10, 2018, 20:35
any Raidho user to rebute the no bass remark by qflyer ? True ?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: jaffrie on September 10, 2018, 21:11
I must take my hats off to you guys that your willing to spend this much money of a pair of speakers.
Respect.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: qflyer on September 10, 2018, 21:30
any Raidho user to rebute the no bass remark by qflyer ? True ?
Simple a bass driver has large surface area to move massive amount of air. there no way a 4.5 inch driver can’t do that. Not even with 4 drivers of the same size.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on September 10, 2018, 21:38
It wasn’t obvious to you from the context of nfnc's post that I replied to that my post was about the real commercial value of the speaker, meaning what the market is willing to pay for the speaker, rather than the MSRP that the manufacturer thinks they can get, or what you seem to be suggesting, the “value” an individual attaches to their purchase??

To be clear, I’d read into your comment that you believed that real value was illuminated when equipment hits the 2nd hand market.   I’m pleased we both agree that such a causal relationship is tenuous at very best.   There are lots of determinants at play as DJQ’s post correctly alludes.    Depreciation is nonetheless steep and a given for all high end brands and perhaps we can therefore say the real essence of value revolves around the trade-off between the benefits a customer receives from a product and the price he or she pays for it.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: francishuang on September 10, 2018, 21:41
Spl will add up
Are you refering to bass resolution or bass spl?
Simple a bass driver has large surface area to move massive amount of air. there no way a 4.5 inch driver can’t do that. Not even with 4 drivers of the same size.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on September 10, 2018, 21:47
I must take my hats off to you guys that your willing to spend this much money of a pair of speakers.
Respect.

Cheers Jaffrie.    With loudspeakers the sky's the limit.   Check out this article, The 35 Most Expensive Loudspeakers in the world.  The article has out of date information but it nonetheless illustrates the height to which some audiophiles climb.  https://www.octaneseating.com/most-expensive-home-theater-speakers
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: malsound on September 10, 2018, 22:13
Who are the 5% that open on Sunday again.  ???

Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: jaffrie on September 11, 2018, 00:57
Hi 1AngMoh,

The highest that I ever splash money on was a Wadia 2000 transport & Dac with Jadis Defy 7 & ML Odyssey
speakers. After I discovered diy, I sold everything but kept my Ml Odyssey. To this day I'm still using this speaker but now it's even better then new cause I done lot's of mods to it. Regardless of pricing, there's only so much that you can get out of any speakers. What's really important is there's no replacement for driver surface area, it's the law of physics cannot escape.

Cheers
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: AndrewC on September 11, 2018, 10:55
To be clear, I’d read into your comment that you believed that real value was illuminated when equipment hits the 2nd hand market.   I’m pleased we both agree that such a causal relationship is tenuous at very best.   There are lots of determinants at play as DJQ’s post correctly alludes.    Depreciation is nonetheless steep and a given for all high end brands and perhaps we can therefore say the real essence of value revolves around the trade-off between the benefits a customer receives from a product and the price he or she pays for it.

My point was not nearly so abstract as yours. Here's an example;

The Raidho D-1.1 basic model has an MSRP of US$25K
The Wilson Audio Duette Series-2 has an MSRP of US$22K
The Magico Q1 has an MSRP of US$26K

In other words, all supposedly similar category of products with similar MSRP price points.  But one of them has a significantly lower 2nd-hand market value.  Can you guess which one? ;D

Any manufacturer can inflate their MSRP all they want, but at the end of the day, hints to it's real commercial value will eventually emerge, regardless of other factors.

That's the point I was making :)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: DJQ on September 11, 2018, 13:06
err so which one? obviously i do not know anyone with these range. way out of league...  :)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on September 11, 2018, 18:43
My point was not nearly so abstract as yours. Here's an example;

The Raidho D-1.1 basic model has an MSRP of US$25K
The Wilson Audio Duette Series-2 has an MSRP of US$22K
The Magico Q1 has an MSRP of US$26K

In other words, all supposedly similar category of products with similar MSRP price points.  But one of them has a significantly lower 2nd-hand market value.  Can you guess which one? ;D

Any manufacturer can inflate their MSRP all they want, but at the end of the day, hints to it's real commercial value will eventually emerge, regardless of other factors.

That's the point I was making :)


Subjectively, I wouldn’t consider the Wilson Audio Duette in the same league as the Raidho D-1.1 or the Magico Q1 even if the MSRP points otherwise.   Furthermore do purchasers of high-end audio products – typically folks well above average means – really care about retail pricing or woolly notions of real commercial value?   In the luxury market its frequently not about price but how people feel about it.

That said, I do understand the point you are making even if I consider the notion of real commercial value opaque at best.   What eventually emerges as 2nd hand market value can be disconnected from opinion on sonic performance and original MSRP, inflated or otherwise.   Extraneous matters matter.  For example Michael Borresen’s departure from Raidho may harm the brand and by extension the perceived value of Raidho loudspeakers.   Further, Magico’s recent announcement that it will cease production of the Q1 may shortly translate to a significantly reduced 2nd hand value for that loudspeaker as generally products in current production enjoy higher resale value than those that are end of life / obsolete.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: AndrewC on September 12, 2018, 12:44
Subjectively, I wouldn’t consider the Wilson Audio Duette in the same league as the Raidho D-1.1 or the Magico Q1 even if the MSRP points otherwise.  ...

OT:  Well, thats where we have a subjective difference of opinion… I consider the WA D2 a superior all round speaker compared to the D1.1 - despite the fact that I’m not the biggest fan of the WA house sound, but the D2 s is quite special. The D1.1 images well left-to-right, but lacks in soundstage depth, not to mention it’s far too forward sounding.  I rejected it while still considering the WA D2 and TAD CE1 (for an upgrade to my bedroom system).


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Furthermore do purchasers of high-end audio products – typically folks well above average means – really care about retail pricing or woolly notions of real commercial value?   In the luxury market its frequently not about price but how people feel about it.
...

You're kidding right??? I'm guessing you don't know too many well heeled audiophiles... It's a whole lot more than just "feel". [Price] Performance, both objective and subjective plays a huge part.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: DJQ on September 12, 2018, 13:17
which reminds me that i DO know 1 typical folk, he always mentions to me. He is not a Hifi person. oh well lets leave it at that. we agree to disagree.
back to thread topic. Sound wise i have not really seriously sit down to listen. but i do know the sleek looks for a floor-stander is something my wife will accept.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on September 12, 2018, 14:50
OT:  Well, thats where we have a subjective difference of opinion… I consider the WA D2 a superior all round speaker compared to the D1.1 - despite the fact that I’m not the biggest fan of the WA house sound, but the D2 s is quite special. The D1.1 images well left-to-right, but lacks in soundstage depth, not to mention it’s far too forward sounding.  I rejected it while still considering the WA D2 and TAD CE1 (for an upgrade to my bedroom system). 

OT:  Yes we have a subjective difference of opinion.   The Wilson Audio Duette is designed for near wall placement and subjectively pulls the sound forward [in an attempt to create depth] and thus far more forward sounding than either the Raidho D1.1 or the Magico Q1 which are both outstanding free-space designs.  Raidho’s sound bigger than their size and Wilson sound smaller than theirs.  ;D    Together with resolution, one of the most impressive features of the Raidho’s is the soundstage depth – but set up incorrectly it is possible to muck that up. 


which reminds me that i DO know 1 typical folk, he always mentions to me. He is not a Hifi person. oh well lets leave it at that. we agree to disagree.   

back to thread topic. Sound wise i have not really seriously sit down to listen. but i do know the sleek looks for a floor-stander is something my wife will accept.



Yes, you have understood the point I was making.   I was at a recent invitation only event where many of the participants did not and would not describe themselves are “hifi people” or “audiophiles”.  They had money though – lots of it judging from exotic collection of vehicles in the carpark and quarter million dollar plus wristwatches….   Motivations are very different in the luxury market.   It’s about brand, experiences, feelings, emotional connections, exclusivity, limited access etc.   Price?  It may be difficult to palate – but that’s more of mass market concern.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: jaffrie on September 12, 2018, 15:39
You brought up a good point AngMoh, it’s all about bragging rights to the wealthy & yet they know nothing much about hi-end audio. Which brings up my next comment, hi- end was never ment to be associated with mega bucks but somewhere along the line it got out of hands.
Title: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: Boxerfan88 on September 12, 2018, 19:51
For the top 0.001%, it’s primarily about uniqueness & exclusivity.


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Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: wusplay on September 12, 2018, 20:37
I do not agree that expensive high end stuff is all about bragging rights and the buyers or manufacturers know nothing about hi end audio.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: jaffrie on September 12, 2018, 23:24
Well I expected such a reply. I was refering to buyer & not manufacturers.
I myself have known a few who really aren’t in audio at all & yet they’ve easily spend 50-70k on their set up.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: jaffrie on September 13, 2018, 00:21
Just for discussion sake, to you guys would owns mega expensive set up,
what are you guys after, pride of ownership or ????
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: wusplay on September 13, 2018, 04:33
You already thought anyone who spend above the amount you think is ok is after the pride of ownership
What's more to discuss?
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: jaffrie on September 13, 2018, 06:56
Sorry I don’t think Im asking. At one time I was crazy about watches, have a collection & suddenly one day I was asking myself what do I get out it when in reality I hardly wear them.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: audioworld2011 on September 13, 2018, 19:23
Sorry I don’t think Im asking. At one time I was crazy about watches, have a collection & suddenly one day I was asking myself what do I get out it when in reality I hardly wear them.
IMO the resell value (e.g PP/AP/VC/Rol) still better or even higher than high end hi fi.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: jonchew38 on September 13, 2018, 19:33
Just for discussion sake, to you guys would owns mega expensive set up,
what are you guys after, pride of ownership or ????

Actually sometimes you can tell on by what tweaks they spend on. Some people spend 50% to 100% of their total hi-fi cost on tweaks. Those a tree e quite die hard audiophiles and not the type looking for bragging rights.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: jaffrie on September 14, 2018, 00:25
Yes audioworld your correct, my collection of watches are actually costing more now then when I bought them as most a limited edition series. I bought them out of my desire & have never thought about its resale value.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: fgchong on September 14, 2018, 09:15
Just for discussion sake, to you guys would owns mega expensive set up,
what are you guys after, pride of ownership or ????

I am no hi-fi expert, but do own a decent system.  To me (at least), is never my pride of ownership due to price but is the joy of listening to a piece of music or familiar voice from a nicely synchro & matched system within my means.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: pokingpine on September 14, 2018, 09:57
I am no hi-fi expert, but do own a decent system.  To me (at least), is never my pride of ownership due to price but is the joy of listening to a piece of music or familiar voice from a nicely synchro & matched system within my means.

I echo this opinion.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: jaffrie on September 14, 2018, 16:57
That’s very nice Fgchong & pokingpine. There’s always that diminishing returns as the prices goes up but at the same time many audio enthusiast aren’t getting what they pay for mainly due to system senergy etc. Hence the plethora of cables, equipment on sale to look for another.  Me I’ve found solace in building my own stuff & being able to tweak, tune & voice my equipment to attain senergy & offcourse the happy feeling that Im able to build stuff that sounds as good as commercial stuff.

Cheers
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: AndrewC on September 14, 2018, 17:04
There are smart people and dumb people on both sides of the wealth spectrum of every “hobby”. Of course there will always be a small proportion of dickhead-rich folk who splurge for the sake of ownership/”bragging rights”... BUT those are certainly not Audiophiles.

Well-heeled Audiophiles who’re smart with money don't suddenly become dumb when it comes to spending on HiFi :)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: mousike on September 15, 2018, 18:47
I had to scroll back to see if it is indeed USD30K! :o

At this price bracket, there are MANY options...I don't want to dwell on the question of how much is enough. I can understand and appreciates the different viewpoints and argument but really its individual choice - not for me to judge.

Back to the options...there are many and I think earlier in the discussion a few were mentioned. At this price, I personally would have gone for - https://positive-feedback.com/Issue73/kawero_chiara.htm (https://positive-feedback.com/Issue73/kawero_chiara.htm)

Some years back I did an A/B on the top of the line Raidho monitors in my room and I wasn't convinced. I would leave it as that and I could understand where the appeals are but just not for me.

Enjoy your tunes!
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on September 16, 2018, 12:28
New Borresen Acoustics loudspeakers were sighted yesterday at the High end audio show in Gothenburg, Sweden.    Photos are below.   The Borresen Acoustics loudspeakers were paired with an AVID HiFi turntable, Avid Sigsum Integrated Amplifier, Aavik Acoustics electronics (Aavik is from Denmark and has common ownership with Borresen Acoustics), Primare CDP and accessories including cabling, power distributor and resonance control devices from sister company Ansuz Acoustics.   Seen in the photos is the latest Ansuz D2 cable which replaced the first generation Ansuz D cables about 1 year back.    The chief engineer of Borresen Acoustics is Michael Borresen who was formerly an owner and chief engineer at Raidho Acoustics.


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Photo:  Borresen Acoustics Model 01 stand mount loudspeakers at Goteborg (Sweden) HiFi show Sept 2018

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Photo:  Borresen Acoustics speakers with stand

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Photo:  Close up of the Borresen Acoustics tweeter vent.  Note the different wood veneer and grain for the vent
Title: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: nfnc on September 16, 2018, 13:42

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Photo:  Close up of the Borresen Acoustics tweeter vent.  Note the different wood veneer and grain for the vent

R, it appears that BA have used solid wood for the cabinet and the tweeter vent cutout is just presenting a different aspect/view of the same wood block. The grain lines meet at the edge.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on September 17, 2018, 08:43
R, it appears that BA have used solid wood for the cabinet and the tweeter vent cutout is just presenting a different aspect/view of the same wood block. The grain lines meet at the edge.

I'm not sure but doubt the cabinet is solid wood.   It does however look really nice.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: synthesis on September 17, 2018, 20:14
R, it appears that BA have used solid wood for the cabinet and the tweeter vent cutout is just presenting a different aspect/view of the same wood block. The grain lines meet at the edge.

They don't....
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: jaffrie on September 17, 2018, 22:25
Though it looks nice it doesn’t justify the asking price. Regardless of whatever the reviews will be, in this price bracket there’s so many choices for floor standers which will out perform it at least in terms of bass. One can never escape the law of physics.
Besides new design does not necessarily mean that speakers of yesterday year will not be able to compete.
Title: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: nfnc on September 17, 2018, 22:34

They don't....

Guess we’ll only know when we see the real thing ...
Title: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: nfnc on September 17, 2018, 22:51
any Raidho user to rebute the no bass remark by qflyer ? True ?

Wrt the bass, fwiw:

https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?share_fid=65634&share_tid=14873&share_pid=249201&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eaudioshark%2Eorg%2Fshowpost%2Ephp%3Fp%3D249201&share_type=t

Quote from: Mike;249201
The speakers are voiced with a massive "bump" between 50-100hz.  I often measured above 12db in my room at this frequency.   This "bump" gives Cello's and other instruments a "richness", but causes a nightmare with standup bass in jazz recordings, among other issues.  So for the classical music listener, this is great.  For the person who listens to jazz, among other types of music, this is problematic.   The MDF cabinets also exacerbate this problem by creating additional resonances in that frequency range. 

This characteristic of fattening up the lower mids is something we have seen a few other manufacturers do as well.  And again, for the classical music fan, it's wonderful, but for those who listen to a variety of music, it can be problematic. 

I have personally found that at a time that some (a few really) speaker manufacturers are voicing this way, we also have amp manufacturers ramping up the bass output in the power amps.  Talk about a double whammy. 

When I refer to the source above, I was speaking of the analog source: the Avid Acutus TT (I just got one in the store).   The Chord electronics were superb with Raidho when I last heard them.

To be fair, the Raidho D5/5.1 and 4.1's don't suffer to the same degree, the same bass woes as the D3/D3v2/D3.1.   The D5/5.1 has some of that, but not nearly as bad as the D3/D3v2/D3.1 and quite frankly, I did not detect any of that problem with the D4.1.  It looks like with the new D4.1, Raidho has really learned to take a more balanced approach to voicing.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: macrotrust on September 17, 2018, 23:55
Look like Price War is coming soon between Raidho vs BA- Wait for the Speaker to arrive then made the conclusion- Dont jump the Gun so soon . Who knows secret receipe in the making?

Very funny Dealer acknowledge the Bass bump- and yet people still buy- so it is the listener who decide for himself- not based on dealer assessment. Who care what dealers said- end of the day it is your own wallet and ear that carry the day.
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: francishuang on September 18, 2018, 00:00
And when used with the ansuz cables which also excel in this band. They can really push up the spl of these smaller bass drivers, making the low mids sound like high bass.

Wrt the bass, fwiw:

https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?share_fid=65634&share_tid=14873&share_pid=249201&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eaudioshark%2Eorg%2Fshowpost%2Ephp%3Fp%3D249201&share_type=t
Title: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: nfnc on September 18, 2018, 03:59
I'm not sure but doubt the cabinet is solid wood.   It does however look really nice.

Hard to tell either way from this low-res photo:

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180917/2c6e74f813e5f2ab3f057f8c49028c4a.jpeg)
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: 1AngMoh on September 18, 2018, 10:16

[...]  Very funny Dealer acknowledge the Bass bump- and yet people still buy- so it is the listener who decide for himself- not based on dealer assessment. Who care what dealers said- end of the day it is your own wallet and ear that carry the day.

Yes, well said.

Opinions are a dime a dozen.   Some say Raidho's have too much bass.   Some say Magico has insufficient bass.   Some say Vivid are the ugliest loudspeakers ever made.  Some believe Wilson Audio is finished now that Dave has passed on.

Forums are great enablers for sharing and reading opinions -- but these are other peoples opinions and we must not overlook the fact we are purchasing for ourselves.     
Title: Re: Raidho Speakers Thread
Post by: jaffrie on September 19, 2018, 22:43
Audio is like food, everyone has different taste buds.