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Title: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on December 14, 2011, 22:47
Just curious to find out.  How many Bros are Pioneer AVR users here.  These value for money AVRs, if bought from Hong Kong, are excellent in HT and very good in Stereo options.  It's a shame that the local retailers are pricing them too high, making them uncompetitive in the faces of Denon, Onkyo and Yammies offerings... :o

1.  Francis wu - LX83 + BDF23FD
2. 
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: chanfm on December 14, 2011, 23:20
1.  Francis wu - LX83 + BDF23FD
2. chanfm LX83
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: mars73 on December 14, 2011, 23:33
1.  Francis wu - LX83 + BDF23FD
2. chanfm LX83
3. mars73 LX83 + Oppo 93
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: chanfm on December 15, 2011, 00:10
1.  Francis wu - LX83 + BDF23FD
2. chanfm LX83 + Oppo 95
3. mars73 LX83 + Oppo 93
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: maomao82 on December 15, 2011, 01:54
1.  Francis wu - LX83 + BDF23FD
2. chanfm - LX83 + Oppo 95
3. mars73 - LX83 + Oppo 93
4. maomao82 - LX85 + LG BD660
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: dream88sg on December 15, 2011, 09:21
1.  Francis wu - LX83 + BDF23FD
2. chanfm - LX83 + Oppo 95
3. mars73 - LX83 + Oppo 93
4. maomao82 - LX85 + LG BD660
5. dream88sg - LX85 + Popcorn C200 + Quad 12L (Bi-amp) + Quad Centre (Zone A) + Contour 1.3 (Zone B)
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: jl7757 on December 15, 2011, 10:17
1.  Francis wu - LX83 + BDF23FD
2. chanfm - LX83 + Oppo 95
3. mars73 - LX83 + Oppo 93
4. maomao82 - LX85 + LG BD660
5. dream88sg - LX85 + Popcorn C200 + Quad 12L (Bi-amp) + Quad Centre (Zone A) + Contour 1.3 Mk2 (Zone B)
6. JL7757         - LX73 + BDP LX55 + ProAc 110

Wonldn't it be more appropriate put in the main speakers to let the rest know what this AVR can drive. Putting in the player does not make much sense as this baby can take all players. Lastly, I love Airplay.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on December 15, 2011, 10:55
These AVRs can drive practically most speakers in view of their high current power.  The reason for coupling it with a BDP is that the SQ will improve when partnering one with PQLS link (Pioneer BDPs with this option).

You will notice with PQLS on, the sound is much more refine.

Again, I can't emphasize the point the newer generation AVRs are really exciting, vibrant, controlled and dynamic sounding especially on multi-channels play back.

Enjoy.... :)

Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: Garydrums on December 17, 2011, 22:02
1.  Francis wu - LX83 + BDF23FD
2. chanfm - LX83 + Oppo 95
3. mars73 - LX83 + Oppo 93
4. maomao82 - LX85 + LG BD660
5. dream88sg - LX85 + Popcorn C200 + Quad 12L (Bi-amp) + Quad Centre (Zone A) + Contour 1.3 Mk2 (Zone B)
6. JL7757         - LX73 + BDP LX55 + ProAc 110
7. garydrums - LX83 + BDP LX53

Wonldn't it be more appropriate put in the main speakers to let the rest know what this AVR can drive. Putting in the player does not make much sense as this baby can take all players. Lastly, I love Airplay.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on December 25, 2011, 00:26
I pitted the Oppo 95 against the Pioneer BDF23Fd (with PQLS on) this afternoon, and I not surprised that the former is a notch better in dynamics, impact and soundstage.  Selected scenes from Transformers' Dark of the Moon; The Day After Tomorrow; Bianca Wu and Hereafter were used to determine the SQ.  However, the 95 is three and a half times more expensive than the 23 :P



Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: AvPip on December 25, 2011, 21:46
1. Francis wu - LX83 + BDF23FD
2. chanfm - LX83 + Oppo 95
3. mars73 - LX83 + Oppo 93
4. maomao82 - LX85 + LG BD660
5. dream88sg - LX85 + Popcorn C200 + Quad 12L (Bi-amp) + Quad Centre (Zone A) + Contour 1.3 Mk2 (Zone B)
6. JL7757         - LX73 + BDP LX55 + ProAc 110
7. garydrums - LX83 + BDP LX53
8. AVPip - LX85 + Oppo 95
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: AvPip on December 25, 2011, 22:00
I pitted the Oppo 95 against the Pioneer BDF23Fd (with PQLS on) this afternoon, and I not surprised that the former is a notch better in dynamics, impact and soundstage.  Selected scenes from Transformers' Dark of the Moon; The Day After Tomorrow; Bianca Wu and Hereafter were used to determine the SQ.  However, the 95 is three and a half times more expensive than the 23 :P

Hi  ;D

I'm currently using LX85 connected to Oppo analog audio out (5.1) + HDMI for pictures & set the LX85 to MultiChannel In  :)

I have played around with using HDMI for both audio/video and use LX85 MCACC to auto calibrate.

Each time I find the Oppo analog setup to be significantly better ...

Having said that, I spent most time in stereo world hahaha ... so maybe I'm missing something ...

Any pointers ?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on December 25, 2011, 22:10
Hi  ;D

I'm currently using LX85 connected to Oppo analog audio out (5.1) + HDMI for pictures & set the LX85 to MultiChannel In  :)

I have played around with using HDMI for both audio/video and use LX85 MCACC to auto calibrate.

Each time I find the Oppo analog setup to be significantly better ...

Having said that, I spent most time in stereo world hahaha ... so maybe I'm missing something ...

Any pointers ?

Personally, I find that there is very little difference in HT SQ thru' the HDMI vs 5.1 analog!

Are you using the Oppo decoder or MCACC?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: AvPip on December 26, 2011, 01:18
Personally, I find that there is very little difference in HT SQ thru' the HDMI vs 5.1 analog!

Are you using the Oppo decoder or MCACC?

When I connect the oppo analog cables, the oppo DAC will take control.

There is no option of having Oppo analog out and using pioneer's MCACC at the same time.

So the SQ I experience is that Oppo DAC with analog out to LX85 preouts sounds much better than hdmi digital audio into lx85 and using the pioneer's dac & MCACC.

Is there a better option ?

Hehehe still noobie at this AVR stuff lolZ.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on December 26, 2011, 11:30
I mean when using HDMI, do you output PCM or bitstream?  Did you try Stream direct and pure direct mode!
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: n3wk1d on December 26, 2011, 15:34
When you stream direct and pure direct, it's using the DAC from oppo. So there shouldn't have much different, be it in 5.1 analogue or HDMI.
Isn't it ? I've long wanted a Pioneer avr but the price here is the killing.
With the other option now from Hong Kong, my next purchase might be the Pioneer. 

I mean when using HDMI, do you output PCM or bitstream?  Did you try Stream direct and pure direct mode!
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on December 26, 2011, 16:07
If you output in bitstream, the decoding is done at the AVR side.  Stream direct plays back the source with little modification but uses a little of the MCACC/phase control options versus Pure Direct which is unadulterated sound from the source.
Depending on your taste, I find that with Pure Direct, the bass is fuller, louder and has more extension and overall sound is on the warm side whereas Direct output is well balanced.
Bros should try all the options and see what they like as their main output sound for HT and stereo.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: AvPip on December 26, 2011, 17:04
If you output in bitstream, the decoding is done at the AVR side.  Stream direct plays back the source with little modification but uses a little of the MCACC/phase control options versus Pure Direct which is unadulterated sound from the source.
Depending on your taste, I find that with Pure Direct, the bass is fuller, louder and has more extension and overall sound is on the warm side whereas Direct output is well balanced.
Bros should try all the options and see what they like as their main output sound for HT and stereo.

Hmm ... a bit confused here ... lolz ... sorry noobie ...

I was of the understanding that when the Oppo does the converting/decoding from digital to analog, the only way to get this analog signal out of the oppo player to the speakers is through the Oppo Analog out ... into the AVR Preouts (to control volume) ... then to the speakers ... and doing it this way, the MCACC on the Pioneer AVR is not used at all ...

and I always thought that the HDMI can only carry digital signal from the source (in my case oppo), it will then use the AVR (in my case LX-85) to convert to analog and out to the speakers.



Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on December 26, 2011, 18:42
I m talking about using HDMI.  Yes, if you use analog, then the Oppo does the conversion but if you have a good THX AVR, especially on HT, my preference is the latter where there more sound options to explore.  Most HD movies' sound is mixed in digital domain and may even sound better via HDMI. 
Try outputting in Bitsream on the 95 and use pure direct on the 85 via hdmi and play some battle scenes from the Transformer's Dark of the Moon, let me know whether you like the sound or not.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: AvPip on December 26, 2011, 18:48
I m talking about using HDMI.  Yes, if you use analog, then the Oppo does the conversion but if you have a good THX AVR, especially on HT, my preference is the latter where there more sound options to explore.  Most HD movies' sound is mixed in digital domain and may even sound better via HDMI. 
Try outputting in Bitsream on the 95 and use pure direct on the 85 via hdmi and play some battle scenes from the Transformer's Dark of the Moon, let me know whether you like the sound or not.

Thanks for the hand holding :)

So with the 95 on bitstream and the 85 on pure direct, the MCACC does not come into play ?

Is this (95 bitstream/85 Pure direct) your preferred setup over say (95 all analog or 95 bitstream/85 MCACC) ?

Can't wait to experiment ... but currently overseas ... having massive fidelity withdrawals now !  ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on December 26, 2011, 18:58
Yes, when I play high octane movies, I prefer this mode.  I switch to Direct when I m playing others and concert BRs.

I use PQLS on my Pioneer 23FD though.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: jefferyjoel on December 27, 2011, 09:20
hi, juz gotten myself a LX85. would any of you gurus recommend me a pair of speaker. budget 1.5k. 70% for audio, 30% for movie. music type include Celine Dion, Josh Groban, BeeGees, Sarah McLachlan, Adele & Enchanted Garden by Kevin Kern. i've audited mission mx5 & wharfedale till date & impressed by mx5 thou' many told me it's an entry-level & a total mismatched/ underutilised for LX85. i'm a greenhorn to this new interest, hence greatly appreciate all advice but pls don't flame me  ;D. thank you! Jeff
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: Lorenzo on December 27, 2011, 10:44
try monitor audio, b&w, dynaudio instead.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on December 27, 2011, 10:46
For bedroom or living room?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: jefferyjoel on December 27, 2011, 12:08
For bedroom or living room?

txs for responding. it's for a small living room, distance between TV/speaker & sofa is 3.3m

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try monitor audio, b&w, dynaudio instead.

txs, any specific model in mind & approx price? any recommended friendly shop i can drop-in for audit? by e way, are you Zo from SLC? i'm alumni #66. ;D

Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on December 27, 2011, 12:50
Then my advice to you will be small room small speakers.

Everyone has his own sound preference, so best to audition as many brand as possible.  Speakers sound differently in Showroom and home environment, a vist to some Bros here to listen to their set up will help you more to decide on the type of speakers you want.  Happy hunting.

What BDP do you have to match the 85?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: chanfm on December 27, 2011, 23:38
Is there dynamic volume or EQ in the LX83?  I can't find it.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: etnt on December 28, 2011, 05:36
dynamic volume and dynamic eq are audyssey stuff. you have to find pioneer mcacc's equivalent of them, if any.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: prodigus on December 28, 2011, 07:52
1. Francis wu - LX83 + BDF23FD
2. chanfm - LX83 + Oppo 95
3. mars73 - LX83 + Oppo 93
4. maomao82 - LX85 + LG BD660
5. dream88sg - LX85 + Popcorn C200 + Quad 12L (Bi-amp) + Quad Centre (Zone A) + Contour 1.3 Mk2 (Zone B)
6. JL7757         - LX73 + BDP LX55 + ProAc 110
7. garydrums - LX83 + BDP LX53
8. AVPip - LX85 + Oppo 95
9. Prodigus - LX83 + BDT300 + KEF-T205
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on December 28, 2011, 10:56
Is there dynamic volume or EQ in the LX83?  I can't find it.

It's all in the MCACC.  Make sure you turn on Phase Control and Full Band to get better SQ.
As previous mentioned, output your 95 under bitstream and play with the Direct and Pure Direct mode.  Of course you must first calibrate your set with MCACC.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: chanfm on December 28, 2011, 11:14

Thanks etnt and francis for the replies.

I have decided to use my Oppo 83 Nu Force with the Pioneer LX83.  My question is whether the SQ and PQ is better if I get a Pioneer LX55 BDP instead?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on December 28, 2011, 11:28
No.  Stick with your 83.  Output it in bitstream.

You are not happy with your current SQ and PQ!  Shud get the Aiborg hdmi cable from Petetherock as he has extra on his buying trip.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: chanfm on December 28, 2011, 12:20
No.  Stick with your 83.  Output it in bitstream.

You are not happy with your current SQ and PQ!  Shud get the Aiborg hdmi cable from Petetherock as he has extra on his buying trip.



No, no...I am happy with SQ and PQ.  I just wanted to know whether I can get better with the LX55.

I have Aiborg 1.5m - very good hdmi cable!!  But I am looking for a 3m Aiborg.  I will ask Pete if he has extra to sell.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: petesim on December 28, 2011, 21:17
Guys, I've a question. Is it possible to biamp the fronts L/R with this amp?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on December 28, 2011, 21:24
Confirmed! Double confirmed... ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: dream88sg on December 28, 2011, 21:46
Hi

You can even bi amp Left Centre and Right. I am doing this.

Thanks
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: petesim on December 28, 2011, 22:13
Confirmed! Double confirmed... ;D

Thanks.. so use the 2 channel from the rear to biamp the fronts.

<<You can even bi amp Left Centre and Right. I am doing this.>>
How do you do this?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on December 28, 2011, 23:00
If I m not wrong, most of top flight AVRs like Denon, Onkyo, Yammy, etc can also bi-amp their channels.  Nothing special here.  Most important is the kind of amps they are using.  Pioneer uses their propriety Class D amps and their main characteristics are that they run cool, fast and dynamic, maintain very good control of the bass and other superlatives you can throw at them.
For HT and stereo, they are hard to beat, IMO..... :D

Forgot to add that if purchased in HKG, you will have yourself, the best value AVR in the market, IMO.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: AvPip on December 28, 2011, 23:20
If I m not wrong, most of top flight AVRs like Denon, Onkyo, Yammy, etc can also bi-amp their channels.  Nothing special here.  Most important is the kind of amps they are using.  Pioneer uses their propriety Class D amps and their main characteristics are that they run cool, fast and dynamic, maintain very good control of the bass and other superlatives you can throw at them.
For HT and stereo, they are hard to beat, IMO..... :D

Forgot to add that if purchased in HKG, you will have yourself, the best value AVR in the market, IMO.

+1

HK FTW ! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: maomao82 on December 30, 2011, 03:36
Not sure if this thread is appropriate to ask qns regarding troubelshooting issues.

I've juz encountered my LX85 shutting down whenever I select another Input via my TV remote eg ( HDMI 1 switch to antenna). Is this supposed to be a norm? Btw I am using LG LW6500 TV..

In addition, when I plug my thumbdrive to the AVR, the receiver is able to detect, but at the selection menu screen unable to go into the sub folder to select the songs, nor can i see any file name.. Is my AVR a lemon?  ???
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on December 30, 2011, 09:29
Not sure if this thread is appropriate to ask qns regarding troubelshooting issues.

I've juz encountered my LX85 shutting down whenever I select another Input via my TV remote eg ( HDMI 1 switch to antenna). Is this supposed to be a norm? Btw I am using LG LW6500 TV..

In addition, when I plug my thumbdrive to the AVR, the receiver is able to detect, but at the selection menu screen unable to go into the sub folder to select the songs, nor can i see any file name.. Is my AVR a lemon?  ???


Not sure what you meant here!  What's the connection like and why use the antenna when MIO and Starhub are on HDMI ::)
Is your thumb drive formatted in FAT 16 or 32?  These are the only 2 recognized by the AVR!
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: petesim on December 30, 2011, 14:45
Hey guys, how do you guys deal with the warranty issue when buy Pioneer from HK?
I dont suppose Pioneer has an international wrt.
tks
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: sneaky_ho on December 30, 2011, 14:56
HVZ will honor the repair if still within the warranty. Ship it back to HK at yr own cost if still within the 1 year warranty. HVZ will cover the return cost. So, please keep the box handy.  ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on December 30, 2011, 15:24
How do you know!.... ::)
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: sneaky_ho on December 30, 2011, 17:03
Because HZV said so when I checked with them but I can't say for sure if this is the understanding with the rest. I am sure those who have explored with HZV would have questioned them and gotten reply as well. Perhaps the rest can confirm this understanding. ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on December 30, 2011, 17:11
But you did not buy it!  Why?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: sneaky_ho on December 30, 2011, 17:33
Hmm..not sure how you concluded that I did not buy from HVZ.  ??? Infact, I bought LX75 from them early this month.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on December 30, 2011, 18:17
Haha, becos you did not put your name in Pioneer owner's list in this thread... ;D

BTW, you shud play around with AirPlay, cool stuff.

I am sure there are many who own Pioneer AVRs, just that they are low profile.  Come on guys, show yourselves..... ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on December 31, 2011, 13:52
Just went around playing the Internet Radio on my 83.  Under the Neural Music Direct, most of the songs are in multichannel, pretty cool and sound great, save you money from buying SACD MC discs... ;D

You shud all try it... :)
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: HDTV_noobie on December 31, 2011, 14:13
Haha, becos you did not put your name in Pioneer owner's list in this thread... ;D

BTW, you shud play around with AirPlay, cool stuff.

I am sure there are many who own Pioneer AVRs, just that they are low profile.  Come on guys, show yourselves..... ;D
Very tempting to hoot a LX-85 from HVZ :D
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on December 31, 2011, 15:44
The 75 shud be sufficient, I think... :)
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: nbs on January 01, 2012, 12:00
Just went around playing the Internet Radio on my 83.  Under the Neural Music Direct, most of the songs are in multichannel, pretty cool and sound great, save you money from buying SACD MC discs... ;D

You shud all try it... :)

Don't tempt me le  :(
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: maomao82 on January 03, 2012, 13:16
Not sure what you meant here!  What's the connection like and why use the antenna when MIO and Starhub are on HDMI ::)
Is your thumb drive formatted in FAT 16 or 32?  These are the only 2 recognized by the AVR!

need to check my thumbdrive again.. I have not susbrcibed to MIO/SH yet, currently still using antenna for SD content.

Example: I'm watching Clash of Titans on my BR player connected via HDMI 1 I/P to the amp. Then I use my LG TV remote, press input button, and switch from
HDMI 1 to antenna, the amp will power off. As long as there's a change fr HDMI 1 to another connection to my TV input. Am I doing smthg which I'm nt supposed to do?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on January 04, 2012, 12:05
I have not try your matter yet so I cannot comment on it.  I guess different manufacturer has their own propriety system management! 
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: HDTV_noobie on January 05, 2012, 11:47
The 75 shud be sufficient, I think... :)

Looking at  specs.. seems pretty close except LX85 got slightly higher power (10W more/channel),
different remote (with character display), multi-ch IN, additional HDMI input among others for incremental US$400.
Looks like LX85 may not be using ICEPower though it's still Class D amp.

Can't decide between this and Onkyo TX-NR5009 or SC5509 :).
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: chanfm on January 08, 2012, 16:58
I have an LX83.  I have been impressed with it since I bought it.  Movies are really nice with it.

I have so far played music on it using a PCH media player.  It is connected by an Aiborg hdmi.  I usually use the "Direct"mode on the AVR for music. Sounds pretty good.

I tried connecting the PCH to the AVR via an interconnect today.  It was well worth the effort.  The noise floor is lower, wider soundstage, tighter bass, more details.

One of these days, I will connect a CDP to this AVR...
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: HDTV_noobie on January 08, 2012, 21:16
I have an LX83.  I have been impressed with it since I bought it.  Movies are really nice with it.

I have so far played music on it using a PCH media player.  It is connected by an Aiborg hdmi.  I usually use the "Direct"mode on the AVR for music. Sounds pretty good.

I tried connecting the PCH to the AVR via an interconnect today.  It was well worth the effort.  The noise floor is lower, wider soundstage, tighter bass, more details.

One of these days, I will connect a CDP to this AVR...
You're tempting more and more to get the LX85.  There's a NR5009 on sale in the sales thread.. choices, choices, choices :)
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: jimi on January 08, 2012, 23:44
Looking at  specs.. seems pretty close except LX85 got slightly higher power (10W more/channel),
different remote (with character display), multi-ch IN, additional HDMI input among others for incremental US$400.
Looks like LX85 may not be using ICEPower though it's still Class D amp.

Can't decide between this and Onkyo TX-NR5009 or SC5509 :).

Beyond obvious specs differences like got some particular version of Audyssey or something, it's impossible to tell apart from auditioning it.

Differences in amp watts of 10 or even 50 watts is pretty meaningless IMHO.

Amps higher up in the range offer better sound due to better design/ shielding/ components, all not laid out on the typical specs sheets ::)

Not sure about movies but for mch/ stereo sound Pioneer LX83 is very impressive every time I've heard it.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: alfc on January 09, 2012, 09:44
Hi guys, really envy all of you. 1 of my my new year resolution would be to get either the LX83 or LX85.
But i am using it mainly for stereo music. Read in another forum that the 83 (with ICE) still beat the 85 in terms of stereo performance.
So has anyone had a chance to do a A/B between the 2 on this aspect?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: HDTV_noobie on January 09, 2012, 11:43
Beyond obvious specs differences like got some particular version of Audyssey or something, it's impossible to tell apart from auditioning it.
Differences in amp watts of 10 or even 50 watts is pretty meaningless IMHO.
Amps higher up in the range offer better sound due to better design/ shielding/ components, all not laid out on the typical specs sheets ::)
Not sure about movies but for mch/ stereo sound Pioneer LX83 is very impressive every time I've heard it.
Agreed totally with you - nothing beats auditioning it myself.  Primarily looking for movies cos already quite happy with stereo setup :).
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on January 09, 2012, 12:02
Hi guys, really envy all of you. 1 of my my new year resolution would be to get either the LX83 or LX85.
But i am using it mainly for stereo music. Read in another forum that the 83 (with ICE) still beat the 85 in terms of stereo performance.
So has anyone had a chance to do a A/B between the 2 on this aspect?

If I were you, I would get the LX83 which has the ICE module.  It's slightly on the warm side without sacrificing details as compared to the 85, an excellent option for a very good stereo play back.  Moreover, control of the bass is really good both in HT and stereo.

I know cos' I m using it ;D

If you are in the vicinity, East side, drop by and have a listen.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: JoeHotdude on January 09, 2012, 12:02
How much to pay for shipping for LX75 if buy from HVZ?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on January 09, 2012, 12:05
You can actually call them and a get quote immediately.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: maomao82 on January 09, 2012, 12:09
How much to pay for shipping for LX75 if buy from HVZ?

Shipping quoted by Hivi was HK$930 (2months ago) . LX75 & LX85 shipping charge no diff.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: alfc on January 09, 2012, 17:01
If I were you, I would get the LX83 which has the ICE module.  It's slightly on the warm side without sacrificing details as compared to the 85, an excellent option for a very good stereo play back.  Moreover, control of the bass is really good both in HT and stereo.

I know cos' I m using it ;D

If you are in the vicinity, East side, drop by and have a listen.

Thanks bro for the generousity. Will drop by to drool when i get a chance.
Unless there is a local clearance sale on the 83 or HV got leftover stocks, seem like getting a new one looks harder to come by now.


Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: HDTV_noobie on January 09, 2012, 19:41
Thanks bro for the generousity. Will drop by to drool when i get a chance.
Unless there is a local clearance sale on the 83 or HV got leftover stocks, seem like getting a new one looks harder to come by now.
Was down at Adelphi earlier and audition the LX85.  Asked on LX83 and was told they did a clearance sale at S$3,500 for LX83 when LX85 came out.
Now no more stocks of LX83.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: HDTV_noobie on January 09, 2012, 19:43
Shipping quoted by Hivi was HK$930 (2months ago) . LX75 & LX85 shipping charge no diff.
Quoted last week at HK$900 via UPS Express. :)
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on January 09, 2012, 19:50
Was down at Adelphi earlier and audition the LX85.  Asked on LX83 and was told they did a clearance sale at S$3,500 for LX83 when LX85 came out.
Now no more stocks of LX83.

What!! Are they bonkers, clearance sale still 3.5K!... :P. It's really a rip off :(
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: alfc on January 09, 2012, 20:05
Surprised there are still takers at this price. Just a couple of months back can get around $2k at HV.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: maomao82 on January 09, 2012, 20:20
Quoted last week at HK$900 via UPS Express. :)

My friend was personally at HV to test my LX85 set. So didnt care abt the Xchange & shipping rate =)
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: jimi on January 09, 2012, 23:25
Agreed totally with you - nothing beats auditioning it myself.  Primarily looking for movies cos already quite happy with stereo setup :).

Heh! Music also in movies what. All I know is the clarity is surprising and I'm sure it would be good for dialogue too.

Whether its as good with surround effects I dunno.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: dragon64 on January 10, 2012, 09:23
How much to pay for shipping for LX75 if buy from HVZ?


Hi, I've just make an enquiry to Hivi and they quoted me HK$900 to ship a LX85 via UPS Express to Sin. Perhaps we can try asking if it will be cheaper if we ship two unit together.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: HDTV_noobie on January 10, 2012, 10:04
Heh! Music also in movies what. All I know is the clarity is surprising and I'm sure it would be good for dialogue too.
Whether its as good with surround effects I dunno.
Personally, I think it all boils down to setup incl. speakers.  No doubt Pioneer AVR are musical as well.

My current preference is still to have separates to enjoy stereo music (which I guess I spend 60% now) vs movies.
Some of the XP brothers have been "poisoning" me but was grateful for their advise and recommendation.
At least I'm enjoyed my music a lot better than I had in the past :).
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: boydloh on January 11, 2012, 11:15
I'm just wondering, why is it that I need to set the Subwoofer setting to "PLUS" before I get any decent bass from the system? I carried out full auto advanced MCACC and everything turned out well, except that it detected my centre speaker as being reverse phase and all my speakers were set to large.

My SC-LX85 is hooked up to 2 Quad 12L, 1 Quad centre, 1 Wharfedale sub and 2 definitive technology ceiling mount surround speakers. It was the same when I had the full set hooked up to my previous Marantz SR7005 too. I had to use the Marantz "PLUS" equivalent setting to play bass from main speakers in the sub.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on January 11, 2012, 11:56
That's because your front speakers are outputting the low frequency at the same time (sharing with the Sub) if you set them as large versus small where the LF will go to the Sub at the crossover frequency you set.

Have you tried setting your front speakers as small and route the LF to the Sub!  I won't recommend setting large for those with FR above 40hz.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: boydloh on January 11, 2012, 13:20
That's because your front speakers are outputting the low frequency at the same time (sharing with the Sub) if you set them as large versus small where the LF will go to the Sub at the crossover frequency you set.

Have you tried setting your front speakers as small and route the LF to the Sub!  I won't recommend setting large for those with FR above 40hz.

Francis, I know what you're saying. My point is, I would have expected that the auto EQ would ensure that the stereo speakers would pump out adequate bass and not depend on the subwoofer. The 12Ls are known to be quite bassy even though they are bookshelf speakers.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on January 11, 2012, 14:11
I believe your Quads are max at 48 hz, so don't expect hefty and punchy bass!  You need floor standers for these.... :)
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: boydloh on January 11, 2012, 14:25
I believe your Quads are max at 48 hz, so don't expect hefty and punchy bass!  You need floor standers for these.... :)

True. I'm still learning about these things. Thanks for the clarification.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on January 14, 2012, 22:54
Those with the LX series, the audio input mode to 'optimum surr' increases the bass definition, clean up the dailogue and the surrounds, thereby, improves overall immersion and imaging.  Try it.... :)
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: chanfm on January 15, 2012, 11:17
Those with the LX series, the audio input mode to 'optimum surr' increases the bass definition, clean up the dailogue and the surrounds, thereby, improves overall immersion and imaging.  Try it.... :)



Tried it.  Dialogue is more crisp...
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: AvPip on January 15, 2012, 11:35
Those with the LX series, the audio input mode to 'optimum surr' increases the bass definition, clean up the dailogue and the surrounds, thereby, improves overall immersion and imaging.  Try it.... :)

Thanks for that !

Definitely better dialogs ! ... my preferred setup for downloaded 720p tv series  :)


Btw, I notice that switching OFF the video converter on the LX85 for watching Mio/Starhub/Downloaded MKV/AVI ... will clean up PQ significantly ...
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on January 15, 2012, 12:03
With the 95 outputting bitstream to my LX83 under mode 'optimum surr' the gun shots duel from the movie
Le Livre D'Eli by D Washington is frighteningly explosive and have my opposite neighbors coming out to investigate a possible daylight robbery!.... ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: AvPip on January 15, 2012, 12:44
With the 95 outputting bitstream to my LX83 under mode 'optimum surr' the gun shots duel from the movie
Le Livre D'Eli by D Washington is frighteningly explosive and have my opposite neighbors coming out to investigate a possible daylight robbery!.... ;D

Wah ! Better than Pure Direct ?   :D :D
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: badbad2000 on January 15, 2012, 21:04
so far any issue order from Hivi? no worry for repair needed within a year?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on January 15, 2012, 21:44
Been a regular customer since my LX70 3 years ago without a hitch.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: badbad2000 on January 15, 2012, 23:52
So Pioneer is quite a reliable brand? The price in HiVi really so much cheaper than local shop. I am thinking of to get a receiver which also good at 2 channel.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on January 16, 2012, 00:35
If you are on a budget, get the LX55, if not, get the best which is the LX85.  Never buy in between, that is the LX75.  Hope this help.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: WHKC068 on January 16, 2012, 20:16
Francis, I know what you're saying. My point is, I would have expected that the auto EQ would ensure that the stereo speakers would pump out adequate bass and not depend on the subwoofer. The 12Ls are known to be quite bassy even though they are bookshelf speakers.

On both occasions wen I use MCACC, I noticed the low freq on the EQ being reduced. If u r adventurous save your current settings then adjust EQ to your taste.

If not u still can adjust the bass under tone settings.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: WHKC068 on January 16, 2012, 20:54
If you are on a budget, get the LX55, if not, get the best which is the LX85.  Never buy in between, that is the LX75.  Hope this help.

That is wat I did wen I got the LX55. Besides on a budget this is the first time I m using Pioneer receiver. I was on the verge of getting LX52 (piano finish to match my krp) from bro in forum but he stood me up (u know who u r).

I m pleasantly surprised by wat I hear, especially with PQLS on; the sound appears "cleaner". I m currently putting it through its paces but I must say I did not enjoy stereo then as much as now. There is some problem though with getting the wireless LAN to work but i believe eventually it can be resolve; it not there is always Pioneer technical support.

All in all I m very pleased with the set & looking forward to upgrade to the 8 series... especially wen the number runs to LX88!
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on January 16, 2012, 21:13
Bro, don't forget to get the Aiborg HDMI for further SQ improvement!.... ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: WHKC068 on January 17, 2012, 09:58
Bro, don't forget to get the Aiborg HDMI for further SQ improvement!.... ;D

Ahh...more "poison"...

Been reading about that though and some bro commenting on size of the connecting ends being broader than normal making it difficult to put a few cables side by side. 
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: alfc on January 17, 2012, 10:43
If you are on a budget, get the LX55, if not, get the best which is the LX85.  Never buy in between, that is the LX75.  Hope this help.
For LX55 local vs HV set not much price diff if you factor in the bundled gifts and warranty, the savings is in top of line LX85.
For stereo and 3.1 setup (not considering other features like network etc), anyone had experience if the sound difference between the 2 is significant?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on January 17, 2012, 12:08
IMO, no difference other than more headroom driving the speakers.  More power equates more control.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: alfc on January 17, 2012, 12:38
Thanks for the feedback. Maybe the 85 is an overkill in my case....
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on January 17, 2012, 12:48
If you happy with the 5.1, you can bi-amp the left and right to give you more power for stereo.... :)
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: Cerano on January 17, 2012, 18:53
hi guys

i just got my LX85 and an LX55 recently... good AVR so far... have to monitor more
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on January 17, 2012, 19:38
You are referring to the BDP LX55, I suppose!
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: Cerano on January 17, 2012, 20:02
yes i mean a BDP LX 55. im running a 7.1 with Jewel cube surrounds and Sonus Fabers fronts.

PJ is a VW95ES and Screen is 100" Stewart Studiotek 130 g3
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: badbad2000 on January 18, 2012, 00:36
If you are on a budget, get the LX55, if not, get the best which is the LX85.  Never buy in between, that is the LX75.  Hope this help.

Why not LX75? It seems only 10W different. I am thinking about that but seems like brothers here all go for 8 series.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on January 18, 2012, 09:25
Like you say, only 10 watts difference but you pay more which does not affect the sound.   You will also get the feeling of being sandwiched!.... ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: Waddle on January 18, 2012, 09:46
Thought I'd say hi and say how much I love my 1021. Bought from Pioneer in the Adelphi about 6 months ago and it's great. Airplay, great upscaling, sounds lovely paired with my KEF 3005se system and has 5 hdmi ins including a really handy port on the front.

I know it's not the beefiest or the best performer but I'm really happy with it and Airplay / iControl app are SO cool, especially when we have guests  8)
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on January 18, 2012, 09:55
Hope you got the Aiborg HDMI in your set up..... :)
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: Waddle on January 18, 2012, 10:16
I saw that thread Francis. I'm honestly not sure what HDMI's I got other than they are 1.4 and provide a lovely picture.

As my blu ray is an Oppo 93 I am considering running it direct to my TV rather than through the AVR so maybe I'll have need of one!!

(the reason why I don't now is there was an audio/lip synch lag when I tried before and also the pic seems about the same quality through the AVR. Plus it just makes life easier)....

Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: Cerano on January 18, 2012, 10:24
bro francis... im looking for 1pc aiborg leh  ;D

my AVR to PJ is too long 6m. so im using chord active silver
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on January 18, 2012, 10:34
I saw that thread Francis. I'm honestly not sure what HDMI's I got other than they are 1.4 and provide a lovely picture.

As my blu ray is an Oppo 93 I am considering running it direct to my TV rather than through the AVR so maybe I'll have need of one!!

(the reason why I don't now is there was an audio/lip synch lag when I tried before and also the pic seems about the same quality through the AVR. Plus it just makes life easier)....



Bro, not so much about PQ but there is a definite improvement on SQ.  if you don't have need for the other HDMI output, one to the TV and one to the AVR is certainly ideal, no doubt about that.

I have no problem with lip-syn with my 95.  In any case, this minor issue can be easily resolved by adjusting the option available at the 93 or AVR side.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on January 18, 2012, 10:37
bro francis... im looking for 1pc aiborg leh  ;D

my AVR to PJ is too long 6m. so im using chord active silver

If you can wait, next trip will get some... :)
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: Cerano on January 18, 2012, 10:50
sure count me in for next round  :) im currently using a 1m audioquest carbon from LX55 to 85
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: Angelo on January 18, 2012, 16:30
Hi guys!

Finally took the plunge and went for the LX85 from HiVi HK.

Now, am trying to connect everything to the receiver.

Just realized that my speaker cables with spades would not go into the speaker terminals cos the terminals are not designed to take in large spades. Seemed that I have to cut the cable and connect the wires bare to the terminals.

For bros out there who has the LX85 or LX83, do you have similar experience? How do you do it in your case?

Appreciate your feedback...
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: Cerano on January 18, 2012, 16:53
just out of curiosity, how much did you guys pay to buy from HK? isnt shipping very expensive since its so heavy and big?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: Angelo on January 18, 2012, 17:18
Hi Cerano,

I paid HK$900 for the UPS courier ( dr to dr service ) from HiVi HK to my place.

Rgds, Angelo
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on January 18, 2012, 17:21
Mine are on banana plugs.  When using bare, be careful not to let the wires from the channels come in contact with each other!....enjoy

Will be poisoning 2 Bros tonight at my place..... ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: Cerano on January 18, 2012, 17:32
Hi Cerano,

I paid HK$900 for the UPS courier ( dr to dr service ) from HiVi HK to my place.

Rgds, Angelo

hi bro angelo,

but what about the actual set? do u save alot?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on January 18, 2012, 17:34
He probably saves 1.5K..... ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: Cerano on January 18, 2012, 17:47
He probably saves 1.5K..... ;D

ok because very honest... i heard of a friend who got for around that price in Singapore  :-X in a shop
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: alvin1118 on January 18, 2012, 17:55
Mine to share which shop ? :-)
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on January 18, 2012, 19:10
ok because very honest... i heard of a friend who got for around that price in Singapore  :-X in a shop

Good to share it here for potential buyers here.... :)

Where did you get yours then!!!
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: AvPip on January 18, 2012, 19:22
ok because very honest... i heard of a friend who got for around that price in Singapore  :-X in a shop

Must be a certain shop in SL selling export set with no warranty hehehe ...

Since they are all made in boleh land ... I won't be surprised the HK sets came from SG !

Coz I remembered our SG dealer have the LX-85 a good 2-3 weeks before HK has it
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: Cerano on January 18, 2012, 21:20
Must be a certain shop in SL selling export set with no warranty hehehe ...

Since they are all made in boleh land ... I won't be surprised the HK sets came from SG !

Coz I remembered our SG dealer have the LX-85 a good 2-3 weeks before HK has it

think my friend bought it from a shop in the west.

for me i bought mine in best denki due to the extended wty

anyway they buy from HK also no warranty right?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on January 19, 2012, 11:43
Hi guys!

Finally took the plunge and went for the LX85 from HiVi HK.

Now, am trying to connect everything to the receiver.

Just realized that my speaker cables with spades would not go into the speaker terminals cos the terminals are not designed to take in large spades. Seemed that I have to cut the cable and connect the wires bare to the terminals.

For bros out there who has the LX85 or LX83, do you have similar experience? How do you do it in your case?

Appreciate your feedback...

Bro, is everything working out fine with your 85,..... 8)
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: sigurros on January 19, 2012, 11:59
hi

any problem getting pioneer avr from US? understand they used 110V instead of our 240V. Can the avr works or any problem using a step down transformer?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on January 19, 2012, 12:52
hi

any problem getting pioneer avr from US? understand they used 110V instead of our 240V. Can the avr works or any problem using a step down transformer?

Shudn't be a problem if you are using step down transformer, go ahead if you feel you are getting the best deal and cost savings override the warranty issue...... :)
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: Angelo on January 19, 2012, 15:20
Hi Francis,

Thanks for asking.

I went back and took out the small black pieces and try my banana plugs for the centre speaker and it can go in. Thanks !

Still need to find time to buy new banana plugs and change them for the main speaker side. Hopefully it all can be done these few days and I can enjoy my new toy during the Lunar New Year holidays.


Rgds, Angelo
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: Cerano on January 19, 2012, 15:22
hi

any problem getting pioneer avr from US? understand they used 110V instead of our 240V. Can the avr works or any problem using a step down transformer?

hi bro dont forget that their model is slightly different.
Their SC-57 is slightly lower end than our LX85... for example their remote is not RF but IR. Also some other minor functions
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: sigurros on January 19, 2012, 15:27
not looking at the LX85 equivalent

am looking at their 1121K instead at USD499 and including shipping about USD600
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: badbad2000 on January 19, 2012, 16:26
Hi guys!

Finally took the plunge and went for the LX85 from HiVi HK.

Now, am trying to connect everything to the receiver.

Just realized that my speaker cables with spades would not go into the speaker terminals cos the terminals are not designed to take in large spades. Seemed that I have to cut the cable and connect the wires bare to the terminals.

For bros out there who has the LX85 or LX83, do you have similar experience? How do you do it in your case?
s
Appreciate your feedback...

haa.. i have this problem also... i even DIY using spades then realized cant use in receiver.  :(
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: pashaboy on January 20, 2012, 15:54
You mean even bananas wont go into the terminals?   
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on January 20, 2012, 16:02
In case you guys are wondering why the speaker cables with banana plug cannot be plugged in!! you have not removed the little black plastic caps inside the posts.  Just use a screw, push it in, turn until it bites and then pull it out.  The cap will come out with it.  Hope this clear your doubts.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: bad_ass09 on January 26, 2012, 20:22
1. Francis wu - LX83 + BDF23FD
2. chanfm - LX83 + Oppo 95
3. mars73 - LX83 + Oppo 93
4. maomao82 - LX85 + LG BD660
5. dream88sg - LX85 + Popcorn C200 + Quad 12L (Bi-amp) + Quad Centre (Zone A) + Contour 1.3 Mk2 (Zone B)
6. JL7757         - LX73 + BDP LX55 + ProAc 110
7. garydrums - LX83 + BDP LX53
8. AVPip - LX85 + Oppo 95
9. Prodigus - LX83 + BDT300 + KEF-T205
10. bad_ass09 - LX90 + BDP 51 FD + MARANTZ UD9004

hi bros... can i join the club....
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: dream88sg on January 26, 2012, 23:24
1. Francis wu - LX83 + BDF23FD
2. chanfm - LX83 + Oppo 95
3. mars73 - LX83 + Oppo 93
4. maomao82 - LX85 + LG BD660
5. dream88sg - LX85 + Oppo 95
6. JL7757         - LX73 + BDP LX55 + ProAc 110
7. garydrums - LX83 + BDP LX53
8. AVPip - LX85 + Oppo 95
9. Prodigus - LX83 + BDT300 + KEF-T205
10. bad_ass09 - LX90 + BDP 51 FD + MARANTZ UD9004
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: ernestt on January 31, 2012, 11:25
Would anyone like to share the experience using the DLNA feature with the iphone/ipad apps? Pioneer seems to have the best IOS apps among others. I would like hear the real life experience for the avid users.

thx.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: AvPip on January 31, 2012, 11:57
Would anyone like to share the experience using the DLNA feature with the iphone/ipad apps? Pioneer seems to have the best IOS apps among others. I would like hear the real life experience for the avid users.

thx.


It's awesome !

Well designed and stable App for both iPhone and iPad.

In fact, I've stopped using the Pioneer physical remote altogether :)


(Search iControlAV2 in youtube)
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: Cerano on January 31, 2012, 12:34
1. Francis wu - LX83 + BDF23FD
2. chanfm - LX83 + Oppo 95
3. mars73 - LX83 + Oppo 93
4. maomao82 - LX85 + LG BD660
5. dream88sg - LX85 + Oppo 95
6. JL7757         - LX73 + BDP LX55 + ProAc 110
7. garydrums - LX83 + BDP LX53
8. AVPip - LX85 + Oppo 95
9. Prodigus - LX83 + BDT300 + KEF-T205
10. bad_ass09 - LX90 + BDP 51 FD + MARANTZ UD9004
11. Cerano - LX85 + BDP-LX55

The icontrolav2 app is good but it doesnt control your tv and their hdmi cec is bad. for eg. it only controls your avr and bdp but they set hdmi cec to turn off your avr when u turn off your tv. not the other way round. so you have to use your tv remote
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on January 31, 2012, 13:31
Also replacing the iPhone/iPad battery is more expensive than just changing the remote's..... ::)
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: Cerano on February 01, 2012, 13:06
uhm ipad battery is lasting. my ipad >1yr old no problem still battery running just as well as the day i got it
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: AvPip on February 01, 2012, 14:27
Also replacing the iPhone/iPad battery is more expensive than just changing the remote's..... ::)

hehe ... i'm more likely to change the iPad/iPhone before the battery kaput ! ...lolz
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: lkypeter on February 01, 2012, 22:20
Wonder if anyone know the street price of LX75 and LX85 in Sin and HKG. Trying to find out for a friend in KL. Thanks in advance. Cheers,,,, Pete
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on February 01, 2012, 22:40
Pete, tell your friend to book a flight to HKG, stay 2 nights enjoy himself.  Whilst there, call up Hivizone.com and ask them to send the LX 85 to his hotel.  On departures, check it in at the airport.  Look at the Hivizone site and you can see the pricing of both the LXs'.

If I am not wrong, the LX85 here is around 3.6K.... :P
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: AvPip on February 01, 2012, 23:23
Pete, tell your friend to book a flight to HKG, stay 2 nights enjoy himself.  Whilst there, call up Hivizone.com and ask them to send the LX 85 to his hotel.  On departures, check it in at the airport.  Look at the Hivizone site and you can see the pricing of both the LXs'.

If I am not wrong, the LX85 here is around 3.6K.... :P

Where got ??

It's 3,999 ! lolz ... bargain like hell then only 3.6k  ... huhuhu  :((

Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: lkypeter on February 04, 2012, 02:38
Thanks Bros in Arm...Good advice. Cheers,,, Pete
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: Cerano on February 04, 2012, 10:01
btw bros i have 2 BNIB sets left for fire sale. my bro got overseas posting last minute cant use.

going for 2.7k each overseas set nett
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: badbad2000 on March 15, 2012, 23:18
local LX85 dropped to 3.2k, is that mean worth to buy locally?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: Protege on March 31, 2012, 18:58
Hi to all the seniors, just received my sc-lx 85 from hivizone. I have some questions to ask.

1. Saw that the power cord is different. Can I just get a multiplug and plug the original cord in or get a new Singapore rated power cord? Saw that there is a 250v 10a ratings to it. Important to follow it?

2. I remembered reading somewhere in this post about the voltage selector. Which one should I set? 220-230 or 240v?

3. Should I bi-amp the 683s and 684s on the sc-lx85? Read somewhere it's called passive bi-amping. Or should I just bi-wire it?

4. Thinking of getting chord silver screen speaker cables, where can I buy it in Singapore or should I just get it from http://www.sonicsoundaudio.com/ ?

First time playing with sound, so have to make sure what I do is correct. Thanks in advance for the replies.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on March 31, 2012, 21:51
Hi to all the seniors, just received my sc-lx 85 from hivizone. I have some questions to ask.

1. Saw that the power cord is different. Can I just get a multiplug and plug the original cord in or get a new Singapore rated power cord? Saw that there is a 250v 10a ratings to it. Important to follow it?

2. I remembered reading somewhere in this post about the voltage selector. Which one should I set? 220-230 or 240v?

3. Should I bi-amp the 683s and 684s on the sc-lx85? Read somewhere it's called passive bi-amping. Or should I just bi-wire it?

4. Thinking of getting chord silver screen speaker cables, where can I buy it in Singapore or should I just get it from http://www.sonicsoundaudio.com/ ?

First time playing with sound, so have to make sure what I do is correct. Thanks in advance for the replies.  ;D ;D

1.  Change the plug.  Cut out the stock plug and replace with a British hospital (red color) plug.  Save money
2.  240v
3.  Bi-amp if only using 5.1
4.  Don't know.  IMO, Belden 1313a for LRC good enough.  Save money.
Enjoy...... ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: HDTV_noobie on March 31, 2012, 22:50
4. Thinking of getting chord silver screen speaker cables, where can I buy it in Singapore or should I just get it from http://www.sonicsoundaudio.com/ ?

If you're interested in the Chord Silver Screen, I've a pair to sell.  Have PM you.  Cheers.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: Protege on March 31, 2012, 23:46
If you're interested in the Chord Silver Screen, I've a pair to sell.  Have PM you.  Cheers.


I looking at bi-amp since will be using 5.1. So will not need biwire. Cheers.

1.  Change the plug.  Cut out the stock plug and replace with a British hospital (red color) plug.  Save money
2.  240v
3.  Bi-amp if only using 5.1
4.  Don't know.  IMO, Belden 1313a for LRC good enough.  Save money.
Enjoy...... ;D

1. Got a point.
4. Belden selling where and how much?

Btw, think u bought ur avr from chan too. Up till now, any issues with ur set? I will not be able to test mine out until end of April.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: Protege on April 01, 2012, 00:19
If I just get a whole power cord with the Singapore plug, do I have to take note of the ratings? Saw the hong kong plug is at 250v 10a.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on April 01, 2012, 11:35
I have been playing around with Pioneer AVRs from Hivizone without any problems at all.  The previous LX70 was 3 years when I sold it to change to my present LX83 which is now coming to a year old already.

As for power cable, no issue at all.  Like I have said, just replace the stock cable plug to a local 13A hospital plug and save the replacement money.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: jjaz on April 03, 2012, 22:45
I planned to get this as my very first amp for HT any comment. I've checked the price in Adelphi last week and they quoted best price is SGD 3.2K.
Any bros have purchased amp from Hivizone.
I just got a reply from them and they quoted HK 13,300 for the LX85 plus HK 900 for UPS shipping (total about Sgd 2.3 K)
with 1 year warranty valid in HK only. The set is assembled in Malaysia so are all other Pioneer AV amp models. Is that true and
where can I sent for repair in Singapore. 
Thanks.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: Protege on April 05, 2012, 23:17
I planned to get this as my very first amp for HT any comment. I've checked the price in Adelphi last week and they quoted best price is SGD 3.2K.
Any bros have purchased amp from Hivizone.
I just got a reply from them and they quoted HK 13,300 for the LX85 plus HK 900 for UPS shipping (total about Sgd 2.3 K)
with 1 year warranty valid in HK only. The set is assembled in Malaysia so are all other Pioneer AV amp models. Is that true and
where can I sent for repair in Singapore. 
Thanks.

I had purchased this 1 week ago from hivizone. Fast and prompt service. Did a telegraphic transfer on Monday, they received the payment on Thursday, sent to UPS for shipment and I received it on Saturday. Just remember to pay 90 plus dollars when the UPS guy comes.

Yeah, it's assembled in malaysia and the warranty is only covered by them.

That was the price they quoted me too.

Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: jjaz on April 08, 2012, 13:38
Thanks Protege.
Still undecided. With that amount I am seriously thinking of getting the YAMAHA Aventage RX-A2010.
or Marantz SR 7005 which is less than 1.5 K.
Any bros can recommend which one is value for money say I use it 50% for movies and 50% for audio. Planning to use it
with my old Tannoy 615 speakers. This will be my very first home movie set up.
Thanks.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: lewlian on April 09, 2012, 16:42

Am toying with the idea of moving from Marantz over to Pioneer and eyeing the LX75 so would appreciate any feedback from the bros here who have it and what is your take on the performance for movies and music.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on April 09, 2012, 17:47
Bro, if you can get the Hivizone price or cheaper, it's a no brainer..... :)
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: lewlian on April 09, 2012, 18:09

Francis, i know. Since I have no opportunity to test and pair it with my Missions there is just this bit of uncertainty in the outcome.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on April 09, 2012, 21:07
You can have a listen to the lx85 at the HiFi floor at Metro City, I think, as I can't find the shop card (NBS wud know- pm him) with the Oppo 95.  Guy's name is Peter, very friendly.

Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: nbs on April 09, 2012, 21:18
You can have a listen to the lx85 at the HiFi floor at Metro City, I think, as I can't find the shop card (NBS wud know- pm him) with the Oppo 95.  Guy's name is Peter, very friendly.

He has lx-83 .
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: lewlian on April 09, 2012, 21:35

Roger that. Thanks guys.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on May 01, 2012, 17:50
When you bi-amp the front LR, the overall sound is more controlled.  Imaging and separation is much better and the bass richer and punchier.  Try it and you won't go back.. :D
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: prodigus on May 04, 2012, 14:29
1. Francis wu - LX83 + BDF23FD
2. chanfm - LX83 + Oppo 95
3. mars73 - LX83 + Oppo 93
4. maomao82 - LX85 + LG BD660
5. dream88sg - LX85 + Oppo 95
6. JL7757         - LX73 + BDP LX55 + ProAc 110
7. garydrums - LX83 + BDP LX53
8. AVPip - LX85 + Oppo 95
9. Prodigus - LX83 + Oppo 95
10. bad_ass09 - LX90 + BDP 51 FD + MARANTZ UD9004
11. Cerano - LX85 + BDP-LX55
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: badbad2000 on May 05, 2012, 00:29
New Pioneer elite 2012
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/AV-Receivers/Elite+Receivers

Long Beach, Calif. - Pioneer is expanding its Elite series of A/V receivers (AVRs) up in price point and adding such new features to select models as 4k by 2k HDMI passthrough, front-panel HDMI inputs with Mobile High Definition Link compatibility, and dedicated zone-2 subwoofer output.


Pioneer's top-end Elite AVR, the $2,500-suggested SC-68, features 9.2 channels, 4K by 2K HDMI passthrough, and front-panel MHL-compatible HDMI port.
 
One of the five new AVRs adds a 192kHz/32-bit asynchronous USB DAC, said to be the industry's first in an AVR, for ultra-high quality music file playback from a USB-connected PC or Mac. In the line, the company is also expanding proprietary Class D3 amplifier technology to all five models from last year's two, expanding DTS Neo:X post-processing to three models from two, and topping out the line at a suggested $2,500, up from $2,000.

The new Elite receivers, available in June, are the $1,100-suggested 7.2-channel SC-61, $1,300 7.2-channel SC-63, $1,600 9.2-channel SC-65, $2,000 9.2-channel SC-67, and $2,500 9.2-channel SC-68. They will join the $650 VSX-60 and $450 VSC-42, which were announced earlier this year. In the coming weeks, the company will announce another Elite model to fill the price bap between $650 and $1,100.

Of the new models, the $1,600 SC-65 and $2,000 SC-67 are THX Select 2 Plus-certified, the $2,500 SC-68 is THX Ultra 2 Plus-certified, and the $2,000 SC-67 and $2,500 SC-68 add additional certification from London's Air Studios recording studios.

Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: jefferyjoel on May 05, 2012, 16:11
hi all, need some advice. am running lx85 + dynaudio f260 for the past 4mths. very happy so far but keen to know if to add another amp via pre-out, does this "upgrade" makes a bang, esp on the stereo arena? saw a mwts emotiva xpa 5 ad in the marketplace...txs :)
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on May 05, 2012, 18:36
Have you tried bi-amping the L&R?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: jefferyjoel on May 05, 2012, 21:54
sad to say f260 not bi-amp nor bi-wire capable.. :(
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: WHKC068 on May 07, 2012, 13:16
sad to say f260 not bi-amp nor bi-wire capable.. :(

From the specs your speaker can go down to 32hz which is good enough for the stereo "bang" you looking for.

Have u calibrate with MCACC? If yes check the EQ setting & adjust up the low freq section. Or u can also adjust the tone (bass) but not both.

I have tweaked my LX55 and been enjoying revival of stereo music since.

Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: jefferyjoel on May 22, 2012, 17:23
From the specs your speaker can go down to 32hz which is good enough for the stereo "bang" you looking for.

Have u calibrate with MCACC? If yes check the EQ setting & adjust up the low freq section. Or u can also adjust the tone (bass) but not both.

I have tweaked my LX55 and been enjoying revival of stereo music since.



txs for the tip, will give that a try.. :)
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: xrisangas on July 18, 2012, 22:08
Hi Bros,

I just need some advise regarding BI-Amping my PSB Image 4T with my Pioneer VSX LX55, it seems that I am not "say satisfied with the sound"

can anyone advise on how to improve the sound quality of my setup, it is just I think something wrong with my setup, any advise would be

appriciated.. Thanks guys
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on July 18, 2012, 22:52
I assume you are talking about stereo!  AVR is not built for stereo, so obviously the SQ is not close to a stereo set up!!   ::)
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: DJQ on July 19, 2012, 00:08
I assume you are talking about stereo!  AVR is not built for stereo, so obviously the SQ is not close to a stereo set up!!   ::)

That is the very 1st thing i learnt from Francis when i 1st met him some 5 years back. how time flies...
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on July 19, 2012, 09:19
Wah, 5 years already ah!!!  Remembered you brought the RCA rubber caps i ordered to my place.....that was nice of you. :)
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: DJQ on July 20, 2012, 01:33
Wah, 5 years already ah!!!  Remembered you brought the RCA rubber caps i ordered to my place.....that was nice of you. :)

No i think it was longer than that... i was still at panny that time. 6~7years
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: KenaHamTan on July 28, 2012, 21:50
Hi guys, i need some help.
Today i upgraded my avr to pioneer SC-LX85.  BDP and SCV box work ok through hdmi.
Problem I have is getting my HTPC working with pioneer.

My PC has a display port and hdmi.
My projector has 2 hdmi port(hdmi 1 and 2).

1)Connect PC hdmi to hdmi 1 of pioneer LX85, pioneer out to projector hdmi 1, I get no display on projector primary hdmi1

2)(This was also my previous avr working setup with htpc.)  Connect display port of PC to projector hdmi 2, connect pc hdmi to prioneer hdmi 1.  Duplicate display 1 and 2 in PC.  I get display on projector hdmi2 because its is direct from PC display port.  PC also detect audio device as SC-LX85.  However, it is always in stereo and there is no audio at all.

I need some help please how to get this working, at least for 2, better off 1.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: KenaHamTan on July 28, 2012, 22:28
Oh somehow i got 2) to work after power cycle the pioneer.
1) is still  not working though.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: dream88sg on July 29, 2012, 08:52
Hi

Does lx85 has a ht bypass?can't seem to find it...

Regards
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: badbad2000 on July 29, 2012, 13:03
look like LX-86 is out, it is selling $3k in selling thread. but hivizone not list any yet.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: jimi on July 29, 2012, 22:20
look like LX-86 is out, it is selling $3k in selling thread. but hivizone not list any yet.

Yup saw it in Adelphi recently
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: bad_ass09 on July 30, 2012, 15:18
sad to say f260 not bi-amp nor bi-wire capable.. :(

Hi bro... I think if you can't bi-amp or bi-wire your dyns... Then what i suggest is for you to modify the crossover in your speakers to separate the wires in your crossover and add another pair of wires to the lows and the highs... So that now your speakers can bi-wire... That is if you wanna explore abit and try abit of DIY...
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: badbad2000 on August 09, 2012, 12:05
i read pioneer mcacc dont eq the sub. how do you adjust the sub?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: lchua6 on August 17, 2012, 14:45
Hi,

Any one just bought the Pioneer LX56? I didn't expect the set up to be so complex. I thought since all equipments are Pioneer, I would just need to connect and run MCACC. However, I realised I still need to make a lot of setting.

Please advise me if I have set up correctly and if I have missed out anything. Thanks.

This was what I did:
- set subwoofer to bypass
- set speaker to 5.2 + zone 2 & 3
- run the full auto MCACC
- manual set all speakers to small
- retain freq crossover at 80hz
- set stream smoother to from "Off" to "On" in both LX56 & BDP-150
- set sharpness in BDP-150 from "Low" to "High"
- set Audio & HDMI output in BDP-150 from "PCM" to "Bitstream"
- set DTS Downmix from "Stero" to "Lt/Rt"
- set Downsampling fron "42k" to "192k"
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on August 17, 2012, 15:55
Auto MCACC is simple.  Just connect the mic and press start, that's it.  What so cpmplicating.  Once done, do manual adjustments, that's all.

Come to place and I show you!
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: lchua6 on August 17, 2012, 18:02
I ran the MCACC but it didn't sound good. Then I read the user manual  for quite a while before I realised that I have to set my Pioneer Blu-r play (BDP-150) Audio & HDMI outout from "PCM(default)" to "Bitstream".

After that, I realised that I need to turn on the stream smoother in both my player and amp.

My subwoofer is pioneer S-W250S. I need to set the sub and amp to bypass.

The sub connection in the user manual's diagram is wrong. It wrongly asked me to connect to zone 1 sub output. Took me a while to figure out.

I am using Pioneer S-EU8 series speakers. Should I set the freq crossover to 80hz or lower?

I am new in this and I have so many questions.

So far, the sound for movie is great. As for music, I felt that the best is still "Stereo" (just using front speakers and sub), but I cann't tell any diff from my previous $300 amp.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on August 17, 2012, 19:23
Don't expect good stereo sound from your AVR unless it's really a hi-end unit.  They are not built for stereo.  Managed this limitation by getting better cables.  THX recommendation is 80hz in the crossover, but it depends on your sonic preference.

Come over to my place and listen and see whether it's comparable or not!
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: KenaHamTan on August 19, 2012, 11:14
I have the Tannoy DC6 LR and LCR and biamp with the LX85.  Left my PSB Alpha B1 on the surround.
LX85 set to F+C Biamp.
I like to check with expert here:
Is it better to set F+C to Big rather than small in my case?
When I run automcacc, it complain of sub vol too loud so I tune it down, but i didn't get much boom.  So after automcacc, i tune it back up.  How really automcacc baseline the sub on?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on August 19, 2012, 12:02
If I was in your shoe, I would set them as small and route the bass below 60hz to a 15" Sub...cheers
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: KenaHamTan on August 19, 2012, 16:50
Thanks Francis...
I am waiting for Nov when Rythmik makes their E15.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: station8000 on August 23, 2012, 10:02
Hi,

Any one just bought the Pioneer LX56? I didn't expect the set up to be so complex. I thought since all equipments are Pioneer, I would just need to connect and run MCACC. However, I realised I still need to make a lot of setting.

Please advise me if I have set up correctly and if I have missed out anything. Thanks.

This was what I did:
- set subwoofer to bypass
- set speaker to 5.2 + zone 2 & 3
- run the full auto MCACC
- manual set all speakers to small
- retain freq crossover at 80hz
- set stream smoother to from "Off" to "On" in both LX56 & BDP-150
- set sharpness in BDP-150 from "Low" to "High"
- set Audio & HDMI output in BDP-150 from "PCM" to "Bitstream"
- set DTS Downmix from "Stero" to "Lt/Rt"
- set Downsampling fron "42k" to "192k"

Hi Chua, how much did you pay for the LX56? Thought of getting one myself...... performance good?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: lchua6 on August 24, 2012, 13:27
Less than $2k. Plus free Pioneer blu ray player. I think it is a good buy. Almost everything same as LX75 except 10w lower power each channel. 15 kg.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: AvPip on August 24, 2012, 13:42
Hi Chua, how much did you pay for the LX56? Thought of getting one myself...... performance good?

Pioneer Singapore is still ripping ppl off with their pricing ... lolz ...

Do yourself a favour and go back a few pages in this thread.

See where most bros here get their LX  ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: station8000 on August 26, 2012, 22:56
Hi AvPip, I glanced thru the website at  www.Hivizone.com, and hell their price so much cheaper!!! LX76 got a quote at $28XX at Adelphi. It's a total ripoff taking into consideration they are an exact same product. FYI, price at Hivizone.com is only US$14XX. A good old conversion of US$1500 comes out to be only S$1920.00. Close to a thousand dollars. A 30% EXTRA profit than their HK counterpart which is already making a profit selling at S$1920.00.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: badbad2000 on August 27, 2012, 14:05
Hi AvPip, I glanced thru the website at  www.Hivizone.com, and hell their price so much cheaper!!! LX76 got a quote at $28XX at Adelphi. It's a total ripoff taking into consideration they are an exact same product. FYI, price at Hivizone.com is only US$14XX. A good old conversion of US$1500 comes out to be only S$1920.00. Close to a thousand dollars. A 30% EXTRA profit than their HK counterpart which is already making a profit selling at S$1920.00.

Why not get the LX86 which is selling 3k if you want the local warranty. search the sell thread.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: badbad2000 on August 27, 2012, 19:52
Where is the sell thread? couldn't find...


here http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=117163.msg809627#msg809627 (http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=117163.msg809627#msg809627)
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: station8000 on August 27, 2012, 21:55
Thanks Bro
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: pilyo on August 27, 2012, 23:13
Why not get the LX86 which is selling 3k if you want the local warranty. search the sell thread.

might be worth double-checking what kind of warranty that is, and whether it's a local set from a s'pore-official dealer.

given the price diff between hivizone and sg local sets, if i were a local second-hand dealer looking for a seemingly quick buck, i would buy from hivizone, slightly undercut the local set price, then just offer my own 'warranty.'  after all, av receivers are usually very reliable products, so risk to a second-hand dealer of an expensive claim is zilch -- plus there's always recourse to the assertion that no warranty applies due to buyer's 'misuse.' 

(speaking of reliability, my well-used but also well-cared-for, 8yr-old denon 3805 has been absolutely bulletproof -- i almost wish it would break so i'd have an excuse to upgrade!)
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: station8000 on August 28, 2012, 09:39
That's what I thought, given their makeshift address at yishun and price is better than those big retailers in Adelfi, I am skeptical about their operation. My sense tells me that they would have got it at Hivizone or probably somewhere else and sell it for S$3,000.00 here.

Hivizone selling for about HK15,000 including express delivery to Singapore, which comes out to be about S$2,500 inclusive GST. S$500.00 profit not a bad deal for a single transaction.

Really have the urge to order from them direct.....any bro has experience with Hivizone? Their reliability and authenticity of the products they carry. In fact, am about to make my purchase with local retailers until I come across some advise from helpful bro from this forum about getting from Hivizone.....Now up cannot, down cannot.....wish I can fly there to make my purchase immediately.....
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: badbad2000 on August 28, 2012, 10:48
i called before, he said is local warranty. price is including GST. I think the listed price is high, is up to retailer what price they what to let go.
Anyway, you can check the warranty card to confirm. Just that you need to think of the 500 different worth of 1 year local warranty.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: mars73 on August 28, 2012, 11:04
Hi folks

Just wondering if anyone has experienced this with their AVR.

I'm currently using the LX83. A few days ago, there was some problem with the audio. Basically I get no sound from the AVR when I set my Oppo 93 to output HDMI audio in 'Bitstream'. There is only sound if I select 'LPCM'.

I similarly have issues with no sound from my mio tv box, but my starhub box is ok. All connections with the AVR are via HDMI.

Any advice?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: station8000 on August 28, 2012, 11:05
Hi Bad2000, Thanks for the headsup......have you visited their showroom? Do they have a shopfront?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: alfc on August 28, 2012, 11:14
From what I gathered, it may not be just the 1-year warranty but also local svc centre may not even want to svc an imported unit. Or if so, have to pay something like an "adoption fee" or "svc fee" before they even look at it. That was what held me back too.
Any bro has managed to repair a PI unit at our local svc centre before? Any feedback would really help.

 
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on August 28, 2012, 12:04
I am using my 2nd purchase from Hivizone.  The first one was the LX71 for 3 + years without any problems at all.  I sold it and then upgraded to LX83 a year and half ago and the unit is still healthy and happily ditching out solid and dynamic PQ and SQ.

I am not associated with Hivizone.  During my last trip to Hong Kong, I went to a couple of shops in Yau Shing Commercial Center at Sai Yong Choi Street, Mongkok and I was surprised that many of them sell the LX series a little cheaper than Hivizone ::)

That's it, not going to buy anymore from Hivizone! :)

The advantage that I have over the Bros here is that I can test the equipment before making the purchase.  In addition, I also save on the shipping cost since I just check it in at the airport as luggage.

Having said that, unless you are darn unlucky, you will not get a lemon!!
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on August 28, 2012, 12:08
Hi folks

Just wondering if anyone has experienced this with their AVR.

I'm currently using the LX83. A few days ago, there was some problem with the audio. Basically I get no sound from the AVR when I set my Oppo 93 to output HDMI audio in 'Bitstream'. There is only sound if I select 'LPCM'.

I similarly have issues with no sound from my mio tv box, but my starhub box is ok. All connections with the AVR are via HDMI.

Any advice?

Thanks!

I am using the 83 and to date, have not experienced any of the problems you highlighted.  I would suggest you do a factory default and start all over again.  Cheers
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: badbad2000 on August 28, 2012, 23:30
I am using my 2nd purchase from Hivizone.  The first one was the LX71 for 3 + years without any problems at all.  I sold it and then upgraded to LX83 a year and half ago and the unit is still healthy and happily ditching out solid and dynamic PQ and SQ.

I am not associated with Hivizone.  During my last trip to Hong Kong, I went to a couple of shops in Yau Shing Commercial Center at Sai Yong Choi Street, Mongkok and I was surprised that many of them sell the LX series a little cheaper than Hivizone ::)

That's it, not going to buy anymore from Hivizone! :)

The advantage that I have over the Bros here is that I can test the equipment before making the purchase.  In addition, I also save on the shipping cost since I just check it in at the airport as luggage.

Having said that, unless you are darn unlucky, you will not get a lemon!!

are you SIA gold krisflyer? luggage normally only allow 20KG.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: badbad2000 on August 28, 2012, 23:33
Hi Bad2000, Thanks for the headsup......have you visited their showroom? Do they have a shopfront?

i didnt manage to visit their showroom. i audition the LX85 at adelphi but the sound signature really not my cup of tea.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on August 29, 2012, 09:23
Recall the weight was around 21kg so 1kg over the allowable weight will not incurred any charge at all... :)
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: badbad2000 on August 29, 2012, 09:36
Recall the weight was around 21kg so 1kg over the allowable weight will not incurred any charge at all... :)

you dont have any luggage yourself? ^^
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on August 29, 2012, 10:18
I travel light, with a trolley luggage which I don't check in!
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: jimbo73 on October 22, 2012, 18:43
just bought the Lx85 for my entertainment room. i would say the XT32 of Onkyo 5009 (used for my living room) is better than the MACC.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: DJQ on October 27, 2012, 00:37
Yes i got myself a Pioneer LX85. overall a better match to my Dynaudio setup. match like what i have always heard at the Showroom. Class D as always been so very good for HT.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: econav on October 27, 2012, 01:14
just bought the Lx85 for my entertainment room. i would say the XT32 of Onkyo 5009 (used for my living room) is better than the MACC.
In which area you think XT32 better than Macc ?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: jimi on October 27, 2012, 07:33
Yes i got myself a Pioneer LX85. overall a better match to my Dynaudio setup. match like what i have always heard at the Showroom. Class D as always been so very good for HT.

Bro, what AVR were u using before? Interested to know what's the difference with playing 2channel Hifi with the LX85 compared to ur prev AVR. Cheers.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: DJQ on October 27, 2012, 10:19
I was using the Yamaha 3010 then. But I never use avr for 2ch stereo listening since I got my Densen pre power.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: jimi on October 27, 2012, 21:02
Ah, ok. I'm just under the impression that Pioneer AVRs are particularly good for music- just wondering if u found the same.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: DJQ on October 27, 2012, 23:47
Ah, ok. I'm just under the impression that Pioneer AVRs are particularly good for music- just wondering if u found the same.
come to think of it. i do remember there was this talk about it being 1 of the better AVR that does well for 2chn stereo. of course if i can A&B it would be better. i can only recall for now. i will try to hook it up playing stereo from the front section and compare the performance. Friends were telling me that the LX83 with ICE power would have sound better for music. Pioneer have since came up with their own Class D version Direct Energy HD.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: jimi on October 28, 2012, 06:08
Yes, that's right. I heard the LX83 in my setup and was mightly impressed compared to my Denon (but its a low range one). Even more odd is that I usually don't like the sound of ICE for music (think the Denon is class A/AB which is my usual preference).

Good to know that their Class D based variant also sounds good. I suspect it's the preamp circuitry which makes the difference.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: c722 on October 28, 2012, 12:40
How much is LX85 here ?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: jefferyjoel on October 29, 2012, 20:13
Juz a quick sharing. Lately I encountered a "HDCP" error when streaming some direct audio files on my network NAS thru' the HMG function. Tried over and again checking/ meddling on the networking setting, cables, router, etc but still didn't work. Goosh...this is killing me! Googled around for some read ups but still not helpful. Just as abt to resort to unplug and pack for servicing, one thot strikes...how abt unplug the main & "reset" the system. BINGO, it works!  ;)
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: durianlover88 on October 29, 2012, 22:05
I saw a few high level reviews on LX86 liao, folks do you have more details on specs?
Title: Re: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: chrisnew on October 29, 2012, 22:11
Juz a quick sharing. Lately I encountered a "HDCP" error when streaming some direct audio files on my network NAS thru' the HMG function. Tried over and again checking/ meddling on the networking setting, cables, router, etc but still didn't work. Goosh...this is killing me! Googled around for some read ups but still not helpful. Just as abt to resort to unplug and pack for servicing, one thot strikes...how abt unplug the main & "reset" the system. BINGO, it works!  ;)

I think that resets the mcacc settings too.

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Title: Re: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: chrisnew on October 29, 2012, 22:12
I saw a few high level reviews on LX86 liao, folks do you have more details on specs?

Are you looking for details of the in build USB dac?

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Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: jefferyjoel on October 30, 2012, 17:25
I think that resets the mcacc settings too.

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i hope that's not e case :( .. will check end of tis wk.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: astro75 on November 22, 2012, 00:11
Pioneer...
Who using LX56?
Bought price?
Everyday looking at pioneer website,for promotion update..
End year sale more interested the free gift it always come with ;D.

Title: Re: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: chrisnew on November 22, 2012, 00:17
Pioneer...
Who using LX56?
Bought price?
Everyday looking at pioneer website,for promotion update..
End year sale more interested the free gift it always come with ;D.

Why not just get a lx75 instead from hivizone?

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Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: astro75 on November 22, 2012, 00:23
Why not just get a lx75 instead from hivizone?

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Still prefer local warranty,pioneer service is tip top..
Ever got slight problem,they come to your house to troubleshoot.


Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: kuryakin on December 04, 2012, 14:04
i read pioneer mcacc dont eq the sub. how do you adjust the sub?

Is my understanding correct i.e. the current/latest version of Advanced Mcacc only measures the distance & level only but unlike Audyssey which is built-in, Advanced Mcacc doesn't EQ the subwoofer? Some say Advanced Mcacc does EQ the subwoofer full spectrum.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: DJQ on December 16, 2012, 00:41
Yes, that's right. I heard the LX83 in my setup and was mightly impressed compared to my Denon (but its a low range one). Even more odd is that I usually don't like the sound of ICE for music (think the Denon is class A/AB which is my usual preference).

Good to know that their Class D based variant also sounds good. I suspect it's the preamp circuitry which makes the difference.

bro when you mentioned it sounds good on your setup previously, do you mean HT or stereo?
i think the original ICE power should be better. i did not find the Direct Energy HD Amplifier new class D by pioneer to be good for Stereo.
it was lifeless with no feel to my stereo tracks.
of coz i under use my avr driving only my center and surrounds only. still i find the HT experience to be better than a Denon. some say more Theatre feel.
the Pioneer gives more Dynamic drive to it. call it something different for me, since i have for a long time been on Denon AVR for 4 yrs. yamaha 1yr.
anyway its a refreshing feel. going to be keeping this AVR for a very long time.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on December 16, 2012, 01:00
No AVR sounds good in stereo period!  Decent, yes! :)
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: jimi on December 16, 2012, 01:07
A kind bro popped by with a new LX83 to plug into my modest HT. Partly for me to try, partly for me to show him how to set it up.

I've always been unhappy with the sound of my Denon 3110 for stereo in the HT setup perhaps because it was a pretty low end one? It is pretty good for movies though.

When we plugged in the pioneer it was truely in another league. The clarity and body of the music was up by many notches and the imaging was much better. We didn't try and movies but we did play some 7.1 concerts which was really very good indeed.

I guess the bugbear of the pioneers are the weakness in EQing the sub?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: DJQ on December 16, 2012, 01:19
No AVR sounds good in stereo period!  Decent, yes! :)

yes sir. haha.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: DJQ on December 16, 2012, 01:21
A kind bro popped by with a new LX83 to plug into my modest HT. Partly for me to try, partly for me to show him how to set it up.

I've always been unhappy with the sound of my Denon 3110 for stereo in the HT setup perhaps because it was a pretty low end one? It is pretty good for movies though.

When we plugged in the pioneer it was truely in another league. The clarity and body of the music was up by many notches and the imaging was much better. We didn't try and movies but we did play some 7.1 concerts which was really very good indeed.

I guess the bugbear of the pioneers are the weakness in EQing the sub?

ah ic. but i really like the new advanced MCACC. very accurate.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: ballhead on December 16, 2012, 07:05
Is the LX83 the last of the ICEpower Pioneer AVRs? The sales guy was dodging my question about this for the LX85 and LX86, refused to give a definite yes or no... :(
Title: Re: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: chrisnew on December 16, 2012, 09:10
Is the LX83 the last of the ICEpower Pioneer AVRs? The sales guy was dodging my question about this for the LX85 and LX86, refused to give a definite yes or no... :(

LX85 and 86 are 3rd gen icepower

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Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on December 16, 2012, 09:37
believe 83 is the last B&O Ice Power used.  85 onwards using proprietary
Class D high energy power.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: Doggie Howser on December 16, 2012, 09:46
I think can tell from some of the reviews that test simultaneous power output. The -83 generation is the last that can deliver its rated output when all channels are running. Newer ones drop a fair bit more, tho less than traditional AB AVRs
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: DJQ on December 16, 2012, 11:24
I only use 3chns. Not much issues.
Title: Re: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: badbad2000 on December 16, 2012, 19:31
No AVR sounds good in stereo period!  Decent, yes! :)

x2 

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Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: DJQ on December 18, 2012, 01:24
anybody tried the PQLS and found it to be good?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on December 18, 2012, 10:07
Yes but you have to have a Pioneer player in orrder to have that option.  It does improve on both stereo and HT playback, IMO, smoother and overall more musical but losses a little dynamic in the process.
Title: Re: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: chrisnew on December 18, 2012, 23:36
I was using the Yamaha 3010 then. But I never use avr for 2ch stereo listening since I got my Densen pre power.

Bro, did you ever compare the 85 for stereo vs your densen? I am running a 75 and considering an upgrade for stereo as well. Is it such a big diff?

I feel the 75 does a good job with stereo imaging and sound stage

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Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: DJQ on December 18, 2012, 23:50
Bro, did you ever compare the 85 for stereo vs your densen? I am running a 75 and considering an upgrade for stereo as well. Is it such a big diff?

I feel the 75 does a good job with stereo imaging and sound stage

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hi bro. untill you A&B, you wont know what you missed. They called it delicated stereo setup. be it integrated, pre-power or even a 2chn power amp. it does makes the Stereo listening more engaging. i bares down to how much improvement you want to get.
i got processor by pass on my B200, so for HT i still get to drive my main speakers with the Densen B320 power amp. Stereo wise alone on AVR there are limitations. my setup is very heavily tweaked. power cords,interconnects,footers, power strips, racks.....

maybe if you can share your list of equipment. bros here can help give pointers to improve it. when you run Stereo on LX75. what source you use? connection?cables? others...?
Title: Re: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: chrisnew on December 19, 2012, 00:43

maybe if you can share your list of equipment. bros here can help give pointers to improve it. when you run Stereo on LX75. what source you use? connection?cables? others...?

Thanks for the prompt reply, bro.

My setup is very simple. Source is a ac ryan for playing flac, cd is a Phillips bluray as transport. Flac are 90%, with cd 10%? Both Hdmi and coaxial to the 75, with a pair of monitor audio gx50. Sub from kef 3005se.

Speaker cables linn k400 to biwire the gx50. Tacima cs929 for power. Nothing on rack and others.

Had a brief trial with my neighbor oppo 105, but not sure it's worth the $$$.
 
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Title: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: Doggie Howser on December 19, 2012, 06:55

Had a brief trial with my neighbor oppo 105, but not sure it's worth the $$$.

Often when changes upstream are not apparent, it suggests downstream components are not transparent enough.

This is inline with what DJQ and I are saying.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: DJQ on December 19, 2012, 08:47
Thanks for the prompt reply, bro.

My setup is very simple. Source is a ac ryan for playing flac, cd is a Phillips bluray as transport. Flac are 90%, with cd 10%? Both Hdmi and coaxial to the 75, with a pair of monitor audio gx50. Sub from kef 3005se.

Speaker cables linn k400 to biwire the gx50. Tacima cs929 for power. Nothing on rack and others.

Had a brief trial with my neighbor oppo 105, but not sure it's worth the $$$.
 
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Hi Bro. Almost instantly bros here can see how best to improve your setup. Without the need to really spurge on the oppo. Playing CD from the Philips BLU ray player straight away show how much better the oppo is better even on CD.  Is there analog RCA output on your transport? If so use interconnects from source to avr CD in. You should hear better SQ on stereo.
But hey you mention 90% on flac via AC Ryan? Then LX75 is the bottleneck when it comes to stereo listening. Maybe someone might have other ideas who can chip in.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: chrisnew on December 19, 2012, 11:15
Hi Bro. Almost instantly bros here can see how best to improve your setup. Without the need to really spurge on the oppo. Playing CD from the Philips BLU ray player straight away show how much better the oppo is better even on CD.  Is there analog RCA output on your transport? If so use interconnects from source to avr CD in. You should hear better SQ on stereo.
But hey you mention 90% on flac via AC Ryan? Then LX75 is the bottleneck when it comes to stereo listening. Maybe someone might have other ideas who can chip in.

roger with thanks,bro. yes, the oppo really made the cds sound much better. but i was struggling to hear a difference with flac.
i will give the analog rca output to LX75 a try. reason i used hdmi/coaxial is because i presume the dac on the lx75 will do a better job than that in the philips bluray.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: ballhead on December 19, 2012, 11:28
Try using your acryan as a slave HDD connected to the oppo USB to decode and stream the flac to your amp. Will be suprised if there is no improvement.

If you have a spare portable HDD or USB thumbdrive, you can copy the flac files over and connect it instead of the acryan to try also.

i have an acryan too, used 1 time to try flac playback and scratched the idea right after... ;)
Title: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: Doggie Howser on December 19, 2012, 11:38
I think getting the Oppo to play FLAC from USB HDD is invariably going to be worse than using a computer with memory play and bitperfect output to the Oppo's USB DAC
Title: Re: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: chrisnew on December 19, 2012, 11:43
Try using your acryan as a slave HDD connected to the oppo USB to decode and stream the flac to your amp. Will be suprised if there is no improvement.

If you have a spare portable HDD or USB thumbdrive, you can copy the flac files over and connect it instead of the acryan to try also.

i have an acryan too, used 1 time to try flac playback and scratched the idea right after... ;)

Hi bro, used a portable hdd for the flac. Maybe cos my flac not high quality?

But shouldn't it be the same? I would think most decoders are identical. I couldn't tell the diff between acryan and playing off h.m.g from the lx75 direct.

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Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: ballhead on December 19, 2012, 12:06
Yes agree of course. Was trying to suggest a reconfig without purchasing new equipment.

Anyways, me OT liao, this is a Pioneer AVR thread...

I think getting the Oppo to play FLAC from USB HDD is invariably going to be worse than using a computer with memory play and bitperfect output to the Oppo's USB DAC
Title: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: Doggie Howser on December 19, 2012, 12:14
I know but he's trying to improve FLAC playback and doesn't think it's better than CD. It can be. With the right setup.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: chrisnew on December 19, 2012, 12:49
I think getting the Oppo to play FLAC from USB HDD is invariably going to be worse than using a computer with memory play and bitperfect output to the Oppo's USB DAC

thanks for the inputs, all. Yes, HTPC with a DAC has crossed my mind.
sorry to OT. let's end it here. :)
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: DJQ on December 19, 2012, 13:04
roger with thanks,bro. yes, the oppo really made the cds sound much better. but i was struggling to hear a difference with flac.
i will give the analog rca output to LX75 a try. reason i used hdmi/coaxial is because i presume the dac on the lx75 will do a better job than that in the philips bluray.

Yes that's correct. But if you were into CDs I would advised a delicated CD or sacd player. Anytime better than the Dac in the avr. The idea of using interconnects on analog RCA is because it sound better than the HDMI. Try it and see which you prefer.
Oh ya and blu ray player cannot play CD well. Unless it those exp models like oppo marantz Denon.
Title: Re: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: chrisnew on December 19, 2012, 23:21
Yes that's correct. But if you were into CDs I would advised a delicated CD or sacd player. Anytime better than the Dac in the avr. The idea of using interconnects on analog RCA is because it sound better than the HDMI. Try it and see which you prefer.
Oh ya and blu ray player cannot play CD well. Unless it those exp models like oppo marantz Denon.

Nod nod keeping a lookout for used audiolab 8200cd

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Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: DJQ on December 19, 2012, 23:25
haha. i sold my 8200CD a few mths back.
Just got the Pioneer BDP LX55 blu ray player to ulitize the PQLS for the Pioneer AVR.
Title: Re: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: chrisnew on December 19, 2012, 23:35
haha. i sold my 8200CD a few mths back.
Just got the Pioneer BDP LX55 blu ray player to ulitize the PQLS for the Pioneer AVR.

Between the two, was the lx55 an improvement over the 8200cd?

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Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: Doggie Howser on December 19, 2012, 23:38
I think if both are feeding the Pioneer AVR, the LX55 with PQLS should sound better if my experience with DenonLink which operates on similar principles is correct.

Only thing is I know Denon implemented DenonLink on their higher end players with good PSUs etc, whereas the Pioneer seems a bit err flimsy next to the Denon 4010 or worse the A1UDC
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: DJQ on December 20, 2012, 08:35
Sorry if i sent the wrong message. The pioneer Bdp Lx55 was meant to replace my PS3 playing Blu-ray for HT. I got something else for stereo playback.

But I do have a Chord QuteHD Dac which I hope can let the pioneer be just a transport. But I be bluffing to myself. I'll share once I have made more A&B tests.

Oh yes. I was disappointed with the built of the pioneer player vs the Denon. Different league. Oh well. There is a lot of mods I can do inside the player. Heheh. Of Coz when the price difference so far apart. One should know what to expect. No sure if the built quality of the Denon Bdp 3313 is with denonlink HD is as gd as the 4010. But since it's MIC. I doubt it.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: Oldschool on December 22, 2012, 23:19
hi, can u guys tell me lx 56 is it 11.2 channel for dts x
what major different with lx 86.
and how much selling locally.
thx.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on December 22, 2012, 23:28
You can find all the answers in the Pioneer home site! :)
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: Oldschool on December 23, 2012, 10:59
been reading fm site still not know whether it 11.2 or 9.2 can owner pls clarify, how much selling locally.
thinking of getting one using own power amp. thx
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on December 23, 2012, 12:57
If I m not wrong, these are 7.2 units thru' hdmi but have analog out to 11.2 set up!  Cheers
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: samglamour49 on December 31, 2012, 08:52
 :(
Auto MCACC is simple.  Just connect the mic and press start, that's it.  What so cpmplicating.  Once done, do manual adjustments, that's all.

Come to place and I show you!

I am the new owner of LX 86. My bluray player is Oppo 95. I am very happy with the HT perfomance. However, when I played music form CD, LX 86 did not detect the subwoofer. How to make the subwoofer awake? :(
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: matthewt on December 31, 2012, 09:32
Hi there,

This is one of the AVR on my shortlist but the price in SG is putting me off and not really comfortable getting it from HK like some of the bros here suggested. May I know if you bought it from SG or overseas, and the price you got it for? Thanks and Happy New Year!  ;D

About your issue with sub output, looks like you may need to setup your speakers (in Oppo) to small to re-direct bass to the sub, check this out:
http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/oppo-plays-sacds-but-i-get-no-subwoofer-output.266541/ (http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/oppo-plays-sacds-but-i-get-no-subwoofer-output.266541/)


:(
I am the new owner of LX 86. My bluray player is Oppo 95. I am very happy with the HT perfomance. However, when I played music form CD, LX 86 did not detect the subwoofer. How to make the subwoofer awake? :(


Title: Re: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: chrisnew on December 31, 2012, 09:56
:(
I am the new owner of LX 86. My bluray player is Oppo 95. I am very happy with the HT perfomance. However, when I played music form CD, LX 86 did not detect the subwoofer. How to make the subwoofer awake? :(

Manually set crossover to 80, and woofer will wake up in stereo

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Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on December 31, 2012, 11:02
Set your L&R to 'large'.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: samglamour49 on December 31, 2012, 14:12
Set your L&R to 'large'.
Manually set crossover to 80, and woofer will wake up in stereo

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Thanks. Problem solved. :) I changed the setting of the subwoofer from "Yes" to "Plus". Bass in HT is very good but in stereo mode the bass is too boomy. :(


Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on December 31, 2012, 14:40
R u using monitors or floorstanders for the front!
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: samglamour49 on December 31, 2012, 18:19
R u using monitors or floorstanders for the front!

I am using Thiel 2.4 (L & R) and MCS1 (C).
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on December 31, 2012, 19:07
Hope u r setting them as 'large'!  It will be a waste if u set them as 'small'..... ::)
Title: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: econav on December 31, 2012, 19:38

dont use the plus.( that will make it boomy )
just set the L+R to large.
dont change the custom M1 setting as that is adjust for yr HT , but you can copy my setting and paste onto M2 and do anything/ adj to you like and save under M2.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: DJQ on December 31, 2012, 22:38
I am using Thiel 2.4 (L & R) and MCS1 (C).

Power ah bro. Thiels driven with just the Lx86
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on December 31, 2012, 23:19
Just saw HiviZone selling the LX85 for HK$10,800, that's a S$1,715.00.  This is really an excellent buy! :)
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: jimi on December 31, 2012, 23:22
So is the LX 83 better sounding than the later models? Is the power delivery better?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: samglamour49 on January 01, 2013, 10:37
Power ah bro. Thiels driven with just the Lx86

No. I feed the LCR with XPA-1.

dont use the plus.( that will make it boomy )
just set the L+R to large.
dont change the custom M1 setting as that is adjust for yr HT , but you can copy my setting and paste onto M2 and do anything/ adj to you like and save under M2.

I changed the subwoofer from Plus To Yes and L + R speakers from small to large but the subwoofer is still sleeping. I have no problem with my other subwoofer.



Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on January 01, 2013, 11:26
Use pure direct on your AVR!
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on January 01, 2013, 11:41
So is the LX 83 better sounding than the later models? Is the power delivery better?

Not sure but at this price, no need to think, just buy! :)
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: samglamour49 on January 01, 2013, 13:06
 :(
Use pure direct on your AVR!

Use all options : direct, pure direct, advanced surround,optimum surround and others. PCU 13 Ultra OK but KK still refused to wake up when playing CD music:(
Title: Re: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: chrisnew on January 01, 2013, 13:09
:(
Use all options : direct, pure direct, advanced surround,optimum surround and others. PCU 13 Ultra OK but KK still refused to wake up when playing CD music:(

Did you run mcacc again after adding the kk?

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Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: samglamour49 on January 01, 2013, 13:15
Did you run mcacc again after adding the kk?

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Yes.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: samglamour49 on January 06, 2013, 01:01

Problem solved. ;D Changed the crossover setting of 100Hz (obtained during MCACC Auto calibration) to 80Hz. Thanks to all Xtremers who gave suggestions to rectify the problem.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: econav on January 06, 2013, 01:14
The first setting I done was at 80Hz , how come when to 100Hz ???
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: felixmu on January 06, 2013, 11:26
what is the price for LX86 now? worth to get it in sg?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: samglamour49 on January 06, 2013, 11:40
The first setting I done was at 80Hz , how come when to 100Hz ???

Actually the first setting was 120Hz. I do not know how it became 100Hz. Btw I am happy with my set up now.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: KenaHamTan on January 06, 2013, 16:11
Actually the first setting was 120Hz. I do not know how it became 100Hz. Btw I am happy with my set up now.
Mine was also @80hz but speaker was Big after mcacc.
Manually set it to small.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: samglamour49 on January 08, 2013, 23:09
Mine was also @80hz but speaker was Big after mcacc.
Manually set it to small.

For M1 setting I set the speakers as small. For M2 setting I set the speakers as big. Now I have two different sound from my system.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: chrisnew on January 23, 2013, 10:56
Hi guys, just curious if there is worth while gain to use the lx75 as a pre and buy a set of mono blocks for the front. Will I hear improvements over the lx75 alone for stereo?

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Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: ballhead on January 23, 2013, 14:02
Your Nuforce DDA-100 will walk all over the AVR regardless whether it is used as a preamp mode only, poweramp mode only or integrated amp mode.
Title: Re: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: chrisnew on January 23, 2013, 18:54
Your Nuforce DDA-100 will walk all over the AVR regardless whether it is used as a preamp mode only, poweramp mode only or integrated amp mode.

Lol that bad eh? Thanks bro. There goes one more idea out the window. Getting lazy switching wires manually.

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Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: kuryakin on January 25, 2013, 16:58
New owner of Pioneer LX56 checking in :) paired with a slim Pioneer BDP. Under its festive offer package advertised by them.

My previous AVR was a non-HDMI Yamaha RXV1400.
I'm used to the impact from movies by my Yamaha & the current Pioneer LX provides it. I also considered Yamaha Aventage.
I lived with the full auto calibration of YPAO then, so I was prepared for MCACC (instead of Audyssey of Denon/Marantz).
I excluded Onkyo due to heat/quality concerns raised by people here although I acknowledge the pricing are really VFM given the specs.

LX56 built is actually not fantastic if you look at it real close. The 2 knobs are plastic-ky & light to the touch & the front cover plate is a basic flap/hinge that covers some functions that are flushed on the front so dust can still go in from the edges (unlike my Yamaha where the front cover has a fluid solid plate that covers a recessed area for additional functions & the knobs are dampened to the touch). The Pioneer plastic front cover plate is also a fingerprint/dust magnet.

(http://www.post76.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/SC-LX56_EUGA_O@120327@L1.jpg)

This internet pic below (2 tone color) is probably more realistic compared to the other more overall glossy pics of it:

(http://www.whathifi.com/sites/whathifi.com/files/images/pioneer/PioneerSCLX56.jpg)

Although the height is quite normal for AVR, there is also a bit of height clearance from the internal PCB to the top plate (I can see through from the grills at the top) i.e. not the totally cramped internals seen in my old Yamaha. There is a fan on the left side closer to the IEC input corner. It doesn't run too hot anyway as it uses its "direct energy amplification".

The LX56 remote control is slim, but no LCD screen on it to show the current mode. Volume button is small & pretty much the same size as the rest, so its harder to differentiate, that's all. But there is back light option. See pic of remote above.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on January 25, 2013, 17:12
Bro, congrats but tell us how it sound :)
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: kuryakin on January 25, 2013, 17:30
Shortly! I'm still fiddling with the settings & not calibrated yet. Out of the box, just used FM radio only.......at high volumes still pretty "clean" but definitely not lacking in power.

Local. 1-year warranty.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on January 25, 2013, 17:31
Got it locally or from HKG! :)
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: Oldschool on January 26, 2013, 16:01
congrat! I also moved fm yamaha to pioneer lx 56.
sofa by comparison I no regret. deserved to be graded 5 star.
only gripe, it only can do 9.1 neo x. althu it has 11.2 pre out.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: shsoh on January 26, 2013, 19:07
Hi actually what's the Pioneer flagship model before the Susano?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on January 26, 2013, 20:19
Don't think there was one.  Susano was the mother and queen and It was the among the best AvRs around!

OT..2 weeks ago, my Elite Pioneer BDP was out of action.  Disc got stuck in the tray and cud not be opened and machine kept on reading until powered off.  Sent the machine to Adrian who managed to take out the disc but was unable to repair the unit which could not read anymore whether it was a CD or BR disc.  Was about to send it to the garbage bin when Peng happened to come down to the basement coffee shop where I was then and told me to pass it to him to take a look.

This afternoon when I was down at Adelphi, I popped by his shop and he told he had already repaired my set!!  I was like, wow, my respect for him went up a notch! ;D

A true all round technical expert! :)

Many thanks Peng
Title: Re: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: chrisnew on January 26, 2013, 22:35
Don't think there was one.  Susano was the mother and queen and It was the among the best AvRs around

Curious how the Susano performs against the lx85/86

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Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on January 26, 2013, 23:15
Really no comparison.  The Susano was using pure class D module from B & O and expensive parts.  Stereo which is never a strong point of AVRs was exceptional under the Susano, a class act on both HT and stereo!!
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: econav on January 26, 2013, 23:24
Curious how the Susano performs against the lx85/86

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No match , you will not able to find another AVR can come close to this for 2 CH playback.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: econav on January 26, 2013, 23:36
[quote author=francis wu link=topic=106097.msg870272#msg870272 date=135920275
Was about to send it to the garbage bin when Peng happened to come down to the basement coffee shop where I was then and told me to pass it to him to take a look.
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Am No expert, nothing cant be fixed, just a matter of cost and time .
Please dont update the FW as I have no more spare chip liao.
Is the Black look nicer and more detail now ? only thing is I cant load the Netcast sw and loading speed.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on January 26, 2013, 23:48
Yes and that's a plus.  Now I can continue to use this to play all those Cinevia affected discs!  Ho hoi sum ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: kuryakin on January 29, 2013, 17:20
Quite a few bros PM me on LX56. How does it sound? Actually, hard to compare based on memory as my old HT system was down. I set up MCACC - got 3 versions stored, & all sounded different. I haven't even gone to play with the x-curve settings yet. No technical issues encountered with MCACC. Probably the only setting I had to manually adjust was to the subwoofer - it was tuned down by -7.0dB to the extend it was quite soft. I put it back to 0dB for now.

Playing movies, dialogue was clear & sharp. I'm using 5.1 channels only. A bit harsh when I turned up the vol. So may have to tweaking settings further. Impact & precision is there, so far can't complain. As I said above, can't compare to old system, & I'll probably settle on 1 of the tuned settings (as it is easy to switch during play to compare).

Played 5.1 concert & 2.1 music & I must say its obviously better than what my old Yamaha AVR could do for 5 & 2 channel music. LX56 could present some ease & laid-backness to some of the music, which surprised me. For old Yamaha, it was apparent that its forte was still on movies. I hope I'm not sounding like I'm self-rationalising my purchase.....
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on January 29, 2013, 21:35
Use thicker gauge speaker copper cables for your LR&C to tone down the harshness and you will be okay! :)
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: lchua6 on January 31, 2013, 17:06
Quite a few bros PM me on LX56. How does it sound? Actually, hard to compare based on memory as my old HT system was down. I set up MCACC - got 3 versions stored, & all sounded different. I haven't even gone to play with the x-curve settings yet. No technical issues encountered with MCACC. Probably the only setting I had to manually adjust was to the subwoofer - it was tuned down by -7.0dB to the extend it was quite soft. I put it back to 0dB for now.

Playing movies, dialogue was clear & sharp. I'm using 5.1 channels only. A bit harsh when I turned up the vol. So may have to tweaking settings further. Impact & precision is there, so far can't complain. As I said above, can't compare to old system, & I'll probably settle on 1 of the tuned settings (as it is easy to switch during play to compare).

Played 5.1 concert & 2.1 music & I must say its obviously better than what my old Yamaha AVR could do for 5 & 2 channel music. LX56 could present some ease & laid-backness to some of the music, which surprised me. For old Yamaha, it was apparent that its forte was still on movies. I hope I'm not sounding like I'm self-rationalising my purchase.....

LX56 also tuned down my sub by -7.0dB. But it sound right as my is a big sub....
Remember to switch your sub from cinema to music mode before performing MCACC.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: kuryakin on February 01, 2013, 10:49
Hi there, what's this switch (or mode) of sub from cinema to music before performing MCACC? Access through Pioneer menu? Thanks.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: lchua6 on February 04, 2013, 11:28
Hi there, what's this switch (or mode) of sub from cinema to music before performing MCACC? Access through Pioneer menu? Thanks.

Some sub got this switch which enable to sub to increase it bass when playing movie. If your sub has this switch, you must put it to music mode before performing MCACC.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: kuryakin on February 04, 2013, 16:55
lchua6. Thks. My subwoofer (SVS) doesn't have this function. Although I put the subwoofer back to 0 dB, on FM radio music it sounded balanced/alright. But when I played movie at normal volume, the front channels / dialogue was rather soft as compared to the subwoofer on LF scenes which was much louder. You reckon I ought to try to tune it back towards the MCACC setting of -7 dB?

francis. what thick copper speaker cables do you recommend?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on February 04, 2013, 16:59
Increase your center speaker volume a couple of DB louder and see whether it works for you or not!

Belden 1313a is a good speaker cable for a start! :)
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: kuryakin on February 04, 2013, 17:05
BTW, I manually channel balance the front 3 speakers to the same dB output.
The MCACC settings on the front 3 were +/- 0.5 dB though.

If the centre output is tuned up, would it not affect music playback? I sometimes use Prologic DSP on FM radio listening.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on February 04, 2013, 17:33
No, stereo is for the L&R only!
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: lchua6 on February 05, 2013, 12:56
lchua6. Thks. My subwoofer (SVS) doesn't have this function. Although I put the subwoofer back to 0 dB, on FM radio music it sounded balanced/alright. But when I played movie at normal volume, the front channels / dialogue was rather soft as compared to the subwoofer on LF scenes which was much louder. You reckon I ought to try to tune it back towards the MCACC setting of -7 dB?

francis. what thick copper speaker cables do you recommend?

Most likely your bass is too heavy... You can trust the MCACC if you are not sure... Try closing your eyes and listen to the music and hear it yourself. Loud bass doesn't mean good sound...
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: kuryakin on February 05, 2013, 16:13
francis. Sometimes I play FM stereo music with 5.1 settings instead of 2.0 / 2.1.

lchua6. Thks. I'm tuning down the subwoofer a bit at a time to get a sense.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on February 05, 2013, 16:29
Suggest u try it and see whether u like it or not!
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: victorlamb on March 02, 2013, 22:05
folks

anyone can help?

I'm using LX56..and B&W 685 as front...wondering if i can bi-amp my speakers connecting the high Frequency of the speakers to the Front terminal of the av receiver and low frequency of the speakers to the WIDE channel of the av receiver?
from the manual it says to the ht channel however am using the ht channels for the ht speakers..

and i have a Emotiva UPA2 ,what are the alternatives of the connection?

thanks for ur kind input.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: chrisnew on March 02, 2013, 22:31
Don't think it can be done. At least not in my lx75. I reckon it's the same for your lx56.

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Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: victorlamb on March 02, 2013, 22:39
So u connected to the ht channels?or u r not bi amping?
Connect the low to my UPA2 ?makes sense in terms of power rating ?
Title: Re: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: chrisnew on March 02, 2013, 22:45
So u connected to the ht channels?or u r not bi amping?
Connect the low to my UPA2 ?makes sense in terms of power rating ?

The bi wire is hard wired to the ht channels. It's either one or the other. Sorry I am not familiar with emotiva gear, and will leave others to comment.

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Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: victorlamb on March 02, 2013, 22:46
Cool..thks bro ...
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: matthewt on March 02, 2013, 23:37
Does the SC-LX56 support standard 4mm banana plug speaker connections? I am trying to plug in the plugs but realized the speaker connectors behind the AVR is too small for the banana plug, seems like it only support bare wire connections at the AVR? Appreciate if any bros using Pioneer AVR can advise, thanks!
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: jimi on March 02, 2013, 23:41
Read the manual bro.

Usually the banana plug fits in directly at the back. U need to remove the plastic cap first.

The side holes, when you unscrew the connection, are meant for bare wire as you suggest.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: matthewt on March 02, 2013, 23:46
Read the manual bro.

Usually the banana plug fits in directly at the back. U need to remove the plastic cap first.

The side holes, when you unscrew the connection, are meant for bare wire as you suggest.

I did read the manual leh, but no mention of removing any plastic cap, the manual only shows bare wire connections....
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on March 02, 2013, 23:51
Use a small screw and screw it in until it's tight and then pull out the plastic cap inside the binding post!
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: matthewt on March 02, 2013, 23:56
Use a small screw and screw it in until it's tight and then pull out the plastic cap inside the binding post!

Thanks bro, managed to get out the screw, weird that the manual does not mention it, thanks again bro ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: jimi on March 03, 2013, 00:56
I did read the manual leh, but no mention of removing any plastic cap, the manual only shows bare wire connections....

stupid manual :D

No wonder so many people ask this question....
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: arsene on March 06, 2013, 11:34
Lately the soundtrack for movies have been breaking up on my Pioneer AVR.  There are intermittent breaks where there is no sound.  I suspect it is the Pioneer AVR as I do not experience such breaks when I play movies direct from player to tv and bypass Pioneer AVR.

Any idea whether it is because the AVR is dying??
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: chrisnew on March 06, 2013, 12:11
Lately the soundtrack for movies have been breaking up on my Pioneer AVR.  There are intermittent breaks where there is no sound.  I suspect it is the Pioneer AVR as I do not experience such breaks when I play movies direct from player to tv and bypass Pioneer AVR.

Any idea whether it is because the AVR is dying??

did you try changing an input on the AVR? will help to isolate the fault
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: Oldschool on March 07, 2013, 12:23
hi pioneer owner, is lx 56/76/86 11.2 or 9.2.?
I owned lx56, use 11 channel pre out, but only can chose either front height or front wide at a time.
that mean I only can use 9.1 speaker, is normal?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: matthewt on March 07, 2013, 13:36
hi pioneer owner, is lx 56/76/86 11.2 or 9.2.?
I owned lx56, use 11 channel pre out, but only can chose either front height or front wide at a time.
that mean I only can use 9.1 speaker, is normal?

I believe you will need an external amp to fully utilize 11.2 channel.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: Oldschool on March 07, 2013, 14:41
I use all preout connected to external power amp, but still manage only 9.1. any help ?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: econav on March 07, 2013, 15:07
This is a 9.2 AVR.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: Oldschool on March 07, 2013, 22:19
yes, just confirmed with pioneer sgp can only 9.2
thx .
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: velocity on May 29, 2013, 13:20
Managed to lug a LX76 back from HK.

Testing it out now. Sound quality is great. Dialogue is crystal and the sweeps from left to right and front to back are really in your face plus I can make out ambient sounds more clearly. Music concerts also pack a punch but some might find the clarity a bit too clinical.

One of the grouses is that it can't do 11.1. Besides choosing either FW on or FH on, there is a cryptic option when you press the 'Speaker' button on the remote which prompts a "FW/FH ON" but no luck. The manual says that the FW/FH speakers will be activated depending on input so I really don't know what it means. Is it dependent on input source or how the DTS Neo X algorithm interprets the incoming signal? I have tried hooking up the FH/FW pre-outs to an external amp but to no avail. Really hope they do a firmware upgrade to allow full 11.1 capability.

Another grouse is the front display. On my Denon, I could see the output status i.e. which speakers are activated includng FH & FW speakers. With the pioneer, I can't tell.

Other than the above, the sound quality can be considered a step up. Also tried the video conversion on my mio TV input and there is a slight improvement in PQ. Will be trying out the streaming of lossless FLAC from my NAS and DSD playback later on. Update later...
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: NCMK on May 29, 2013, 13:42
Also managed to bring back a LX-86 from HK.  Really value for money and definitely an upgrade from my other Denon 2313.  The avr sounds more dynamic and the dialogue really sounds very clean and clear.

Very pleased with this purchase so far.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: matthewt on June 10, 2013, 10:14
Did not find any posts related to optimizing/tweaking the MCACC settings, so decided to post this after performing a few rounds of calibration over the weekend to find a setting that i like. Basically followed the guide listed in AV forums (refer to these 2 threads: http://www.avforums.com/forums/av-amplifiers-receivers/986641-how-get-best-pioneer-mcacc.html (http://www.avforums.com/forums/av-amplifiers-receivers/986641-how-get-best-pioneer-mcacc.html) and http://www.avsforum.com/t/1112470/official-pioneer-mcacc-thread (http://www.avsforum.com/t/1112470/official-pioneer-mcacc-thread)). After experimenting with a couple of eq settings, found one which i think its pretty good, in terms of surround effect and dynamics/impact. Do remember to adjust the speaker settings (small or large setting - my setting was set to small since using bookshelves, crossover freq - i left it at 80hz) and channel level as required before performing the auto mcacc and advanced eq setup (under manual mcacc). I do find that the AVR (i am using LX56) tend to set the channel level a bit too low, for my case, it is the center and SW channel which is set too low (MCACC set it to -5db and -12db respectively), this could be due to close proximity of the back wall to the measuring mic.

You may also need to refer to the MCACC manual (http://www.google.com.sg/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCwQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pioneerelectronics.com%2FStaticFiles%2FManuals%2FHome%2FSC-27_MCACC_OperatingInstructions0615.pdf&ei=8De1UYThOcuCrgfbhYGYCg&usg=AFQjCNH4WAGi_zVvJMDVqlMtp1_tP5QFIw&bvm=bv.47534661,d.bmk (http://www.google.com.sg/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCwQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pioneerelectronics.com%2FStaticFiles%2FManuals%2FHome%2FSC-27_MCACC_OperatingInstructions0615.pdf&ei=8De1UYThOcuCrgfbhYGYCg&usg=AFQjCNH4WAGi_zVvJMDVqlMtp1_tP5QFIw&bvm=bv.47534661,d.bmk)) to determine the time window to use for the reverb measurement.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on June 10, 2013, 10:46
U can adjust channel level manually, that's what I did to my faithful LX83! :)
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: KenaHamTan on June 21, 2013, 12:11
Any bro here has success in running 4ohm on their sc-lx75/85?
Getting some kk and I don't want to blow up the pioneer.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: econav on June 21, 2013, 13:42
Any bro here has success in running 4ohm on their sc-lx75/85?
Getting some kk and I don't want to blow up the pioneer.

our demo set was power by the LX -56 and now even run by just a NAD T748 only.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: KenaHamTan on June 21, 2013, 15:12
Thanks Peng

Seems the x6 series, Pioneer says 4ohm support. 
Mixed feeling as googling, some advice for 75/85  series say can go for it with 4ohm with the previous MK sat,  while some thread say their output cap was blown or their unit shutdown when they played some HK gunshot scene.

I just thinking would it be better off all driven by a ICE powered amp (W4S 7ch)?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: econav on June 21, 2013, 16:30
Thanks Peng

Seems the x6 series, Pioneer says 4ohm support. 
Mixed feeling as googling, some advice for 75/85  series say can go for it with 4ohm with the previous MK sat,  while some thread say their output cap was blown or their unit shutdown when they played some HK gunshot scene.

I just thinking would it be better off all driven by a ICE powered amp (W4S 7ch)?

You are safe with i am here to protect your invesment . all amp will shut down when they are over drive , one thing we dont know is how the system was setup and now aday that is No more output caps used , we have a setup in the east area and using the LX-55 for already 6 months every day as this customer use a projector as a Tv for everyday viewing , so far so good .
Is alway good to use external power amp and if your is the LX85 that is no need to drive the surround with external amp.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: KenaHamTan on June 21, 2013, 16:35
Yea.. sounds good.  I am also on projector as TV. ;D
Can save extra 2k+ for something else.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: kuryakin on July 31, 2013, 17:00
Anything heard about the new 2013 LX-87, 77, 57 series?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: DJQ on July 31, 2013, 22:52
year end?  :-X
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on August 01, 2013, 11:18
The 86 is now going for HK$11,600 ($1,900 at today's exchange rate) at HiviZone Hong Kong!  A steal if you ask me :D

Take a budget flight and grab it and still save $$$$$ ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: runemaster on August 10, 2013, 23:13
Thanks bro, managed to get out the screw, weird that the manual does not mention it, thanks again bro ;D

bro, can help to explain more? cause it doesn't seem possible to take out the screw ???
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: NCMK on August 10, 2013, 23:40
bro, can help to explain more? cause it doesn't seem possible to take out the screw ???

Take a needle-nosed plier and insert into the binding post.  Then open the handle of the plier and pull out the caps. 
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: Norman_Chan on August 11, 2013, 13:58
Anyone can advise what is the price for the entry level - VSX-523K and VSX-823K ?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: runemaster on August 11, 2013, 14:12
Take a needle-nosed plier and insert into the binding post.  Then open the handle of the plier and pull out the caps.

Will try that, thanks a lot for helping bro.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: drunkenchivas on August 15, 2013, 11:07
http://www.whathifi.com/review/pioneer-vsx-922/specs

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/AV-Receivers/Pioneer+Receivers/VSX-1022-K

anyone can share which is better?
thx
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: drunkenchivas on August 15, 2013, 11:35
http://www.homecinemachoice.com/news/article/pioneer-vsx-922-review/12951

another review on vsx922. wonder if hk sells cheaper?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on August 15, 2013, 11:37
I can guarantee you that it will definitely cheaper in HKG! :)
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: DJQ on August 15, 2013, 12:02
HK got typhoon Utor coming.  :P
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: maxngck on August 29, 2013, 19:38
http://www.whathifi.com/review/pioneer-vsx-922/specs

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/AV-Receivers/Pioneer+Receivers/VSX-1022-K

anyone can share which is better?
thx
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http://www.whathifi.com/review/pioneer-vsx-922/specs

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/AV-Receivers/Pioneer+Receivers/VSX-1022-K

anyone can share which is better?
thx

Hi

I hv tried 923 & 1123. U can definitely feel oomph fr 1123. The sound I can say is more engaging. Actually was thinking to get 1123 initially. But my backside itchy and request to try the lx56. In the end got the lx57. Difference for lx56 n lx57 is the 4k.

Damn I was really blown away by the lx56..... luv it n pocket buent a big hole....
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: lchua6 on August 30, 2013, 10:50
I bought LX56 & BDP150 to power my pioneer 8 series speakers.

I found it not musical at all. So I added Pioneer D6 SACD player and the sound improve significantly.

Later I found the bass a little weak when playing stereo pure direct. So I added another pioneer EX series subwoofer and took me 2 months to fine tune it.

Later I found LX56 not enough to power my speakers. So I added 2 NAD power amps for fronts & center speakers and now that is music.

After all the additions, my system sounds more musical. The sound of AV amp can never win the sound of a stereo power amp. Now play movie also use pure direct.

The lesson I learned is that in order to turn AV amp musical, must invest in a CD player and power amps.

I should have just gotten a pre-amp as I am not using all the function of a AV amp. I guess it is all part of a learning curve.

Now I am thinking of upgrading to EX speakers but must get a bigger house first.  ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: kannasai on November 20, 2013, 22:05
Hi Guys,

A newbie here. I read the threads, guess there a few experts on Pioneer avrs here. I own a VSX-LX70 which I bought quite a few years back. Now looking for a upgrade. I was going thru Pioneer.com.sg website and came across a promotion for International Sounfd & Sight Exhibition this coming weekend. Saw they are offering SC-LX56 at only $1299 including a free blu-ray player.
Want to know is this a good buy? Only for 3 sets.
http://www.pioneer.com.sg/storefront4/ContentDetail/default.asp?ContentI

Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: DJQ on November 21, 2013, 10:18
Drop by the show, there are newer models Lx57, Lx77 & Lx87.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: maxngck on November 21, 2013, 10:35
Ya shld get the newer model for future proof. Unless u dunwan 4k support. Then get the older version wif cheaper price :)
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: DJQ on November 21, 2013, 10:48
Ya shld get the newer model for future proof. Unless u dunwan 4k support. Then get the older version wif cheaper price :)

Haha bro, I see you already got the Lx57.  How is it?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: kannasai on November 21, 2013, 11:30
Thanks for the advice.
I read the new avr support 4K and uses ESS Sabre 32-bit DAC. Is there a improvement in sound? Wonder how much will they be offering the new models. Is it worth to pay for the different? The SC-LX56 seems to be a very good offer.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: maxngck on November 21, 2013, 14:30
Haha bro, I see you already got the Lx57.  How is it?

Hi

Ya got it liao after hearing fr vsx 923 to 1123. Lx57 can really hear the punchiness n power. It is alot smoother than 923 n 1123. Very tempted on lx77 but too exp. So juat grab the lx57.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on November 21, 2013, 14:35
Thanks for the advice.
I read the new avr support 4K and uses ESS Sabre 32-bit DAC. Is there a improvement in sound? Wonder how much will they be offering the new models. Is it worth to pay for the different? The SC-LX56 seems to be a very good offer.

What's wrong with your LX70!  If nothing wrong, why upgrade!
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: maxngck on November 21, 2013, 14:41
Thanks for the advice.
I read the new avr support 4K and uses ESS Sabre 32-bit DAC. Is there a improvement in sound? Wonder how much will they be offering the new models. Is it worth to pay for the different? The SC-LX56 seems to be a very good offer.

Hi

I did not do a comparison btw lx56 n lx57 when I went for autdition. Tat time lx57 just arrive and still not on demo. So I really cant comment it. Even the srt I hv now is setup in differwnt condition so it is difficult to compare.

As tat time the price offered to me for lx56 n lx57 different by juat few hundred,  so I just grab the lx57. As I mentioned, if u do not care so much abt 4k support, just grab the lx56. It is oridi v gd avr. Wonder u wil b able to grab it as it has onli so few unit.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: maxngck on November 21, 2013, 14:45
What's wrong with your LX70!  If nothing wrong, why upgrade!

Ya if nothing wrong then save ur $ lor unless u r bitten by the upgrade bug :p. Lx70 spec seem v gd leh.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: kannasai on November 21, 2013, 16:12
What's wrong with your LX70!  If nothing wrong, why upgrade!

The receiver still working fine. Going for new features and connectivity like 3D, AirPlay, Internet radio, and iControlAV. I try out the iControlAV and is pretty neat. And of course for better sound performance. I think my LX70 is using MOSFET. Heard the Class D is quite an improvement.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: drifterxy on November 22, 2013, 11:57
The receiver still working fine. Going for new features and connectivity like 3D, AirPlay, Internet radio, and iControlAV. I try out the iControlAV and is pretty neat. And of course for better sound performance. I think my LX70 is using MOSFET. Heard the Class D is quite an improvement.

Yeah, upgrade to latest module much better. but if you get a 3ch power amp, would be bigger improvement.
I have upgrade recently from LX56 to the latest LX87, cant say its bigger different, I am looking for a power amplifier now.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: lchua6 on November 22, 2013, 14:51
Yeah, upgrade to latest module much better. but if you get a 3ch power amp, would be bigger improvement.
I have upgrade recently from LX56 to the latest LX87, cant say its bigger different, I am looking for a power amplifier now.

I always regret getting a LX56 instead of LX86. Ended up adding 2 powers amp as I was craving for more power.
Good to hear that there is not much differences between LX56 and LX87.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: petesim on December 06, 2013, 11:41
The website that sells Pioneer receiver in HK is down.  http://www.hivizone.com/local-shop/av_amp.htm
Does anyone know of another one in HK?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on December 06, 2013, 11:56
Hivizone is on Facebook.  Do a search there!  Cheers

Remember if you need more power, bi-amp is the way to go!
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: petesim on December 06, 2013, 12:12
Thank you, Francis!
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: melmeow on December 06, 2013, 12:12
Hivizone has ceased operations ard.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: petesim on December 06, 2013, 12:22
Yes.. i just got a reply from them on facebook that they are not in the business anymore...

Francis, do u know of another online selling from HK?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on December 06, 2013, 12:28
Oh, I didn't know that!  Sorry, I don't know another reliable online retailer in HKG to recommend. 
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: badbad2000 on December 06, 2013, 18:23
Hivizone has ceased operations ard.

They already close shop for quite sometime.


The local pioneer reseller is very happy now. ><
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on December 06, 2013, 19:08
There are many hifi shops in Yau Shing Commercial Center, Mongkok selling all the models of Pioneer AVR and BDPs which are slightly cheaper than Hivizone!  All you need is a cheap thicket to HKG, stay a couple of nights, enjoy the food and sightseeing and bring home the AVRs/BDPs and still save a little from what you are paying here!! :D
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: Cerano on December 06, 2013, 22:29
I recently sold off my 86 to try the 87 with Sabre 9016, man this amp is good  ;)

Anyway I have good news for the bros here looking for an 87, my friend got a unit from HK but due to some family issues is unable to setup his system. He is looking to sell it at 2.6 and its sealed in box. Pm if interested cheers
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: astro75 on December 31, 2013, 00:22
Really beside the Pioneer Gallery where can we see the full range AVR?
Don't like the atmosphere at Pioneer Gallery.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: DJQ on December 31, 2013, 00:25
whats wrong? you dun like the guy there? I think can buy from alpha audio too.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: astro75 on December 31, 2013, 01:43
whats wrong? you dun like the guy there? I think can buy from alpha audio too.
100% true.Brought hard cash in and out.
Yes,think of that also,but will go Audio House same price also,manage to call up to find out before wasting trip.
Anyway thanks for the recommend.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: DJQ on December 31, 2013, 08:55
Nowadays Audio House can also bargain. You may try your luck see if can knock off a few hundreds or get some freebies.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: astro75 on December 31, 2013, 13:36
All right,just got a LX76 from audio house,instead of LX56 take me 2 trip,bought back the LX56 ,open out,experience tell me straight is a display set.
Call up the manager.offer me discount or upgrade to LX76.As the LX56 is the last i took.
No choice la,top up :-[ to get the LX76,over power for my setup.

Ok.By to my question.
Guys.For the rear actually which Voltage selector we choose?220 to 230v or 240v?
It since Singapore is 220 to 240v.
My APC UPS show inlet voltage is 239 to 241v.

Help up..
Thanks.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on December 31, 2013, 13:50
240V and u r covered! :)
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: matthewt on December 31, 2013, 14:07
All right,just got a LX76 from audio house,instead of LX56 take me 2 trip,bought back the LX56 ,open out,experience tell me straight is a display set.
Call up the manager.offer me discount or upgrade to LX76.As the LX56 is the last i took.
No choice la,top up :-[ to get the LX76,over power for my setup.

Ok.By to my question.
Guys.For the rear actually which Voltage selector we choose?220 to 230v or 240v?
It since Singapore is 220 to 240v.
My APC UPS show inlet voltage is 239 to 241v.

Help up..
Thanks.

I recall that should be a piece of white paper included in the package indicating the correct voltage to set for both Singapore and Malaysia. Seriously, you should have screwed Audio House for selling u a display set, very dishonest of them...
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: astro75 on December 31, 2013, 14:39
I recall that should be a piece of white paper included in the package indicating the correct voltage to set for both Singapore and Malaysia. Seriously, you should have screwed Audio House for selling u a display set, very dishonest of them...
Is not really their fault,their system show no the number of balance only.That include the display set maybe.
One thing for sure,lucky for me is that I not a noobie..
Only thing had to fork out money again..Very Pain..
So far used 3 different brand,still found Pioneer is better for me.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: astro75 on December 31, 2013, 14:40
240V and u r covered! :)
All right,thanks.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: Norman_Chan on May 11, 2014, 17:47
Pioneer 2014 new A/V Receiver implemented HDMI 2.0

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/AV-Receivers/Pioneer+Receivers
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: Hublot on May 11, 2014, 17:57
Pioneer 2014 new A/V Receiver implemented HDMI 2.0

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/AV-Receivers/Pioneer+Receivers


Yes it is about time. Hope the other brands will follow soon....
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: DJQ on May 21, 2014, 02:39
Oh yay Lx88 coming??? :-X
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: pcie on May 21, 2014, 17:16
When..? Haha any news?


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Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: pcie on May 22, 2014, 21:34
Any one bought the Pioneers because they are THX Ultra 2 Plus certified?


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Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: darthmax on August 20, 2014, 18:31
Got my 924 last week... IMO, it really a value for money unit. Only one issue, HDMI ARC from TV. I have to de-select and select the HDMI ARC on my TV then the receiver will be able to detect HDMI connection.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: Norman_Chan on August 21, 2014, 11:49
Got 924 ? The web-site do not has this model.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: darthmax on August 21, 2014, 16:12
Got 924 ? The web-site do not has this model.
VSX-924-K lah...
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: pcie on September 13, 2014, 09:57
"Pioneer to sell home AV biz to Onkyo, take 14.95 percent stake in Onkyo"

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/12/us-pioneer-onkyo-idUSKBN0H70FD20140912
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: station8000 on September 13, 2014, 19:04
Wow...all become one family. In the end, less product variety for consumer.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: kannasai on September 18, 2014, 15:26
I heard they are still keeping the Pioneer brand. Probably will function like Denon and Marantz. 2 brands under the same management. Pioneer will still be around. Not much different as a consumer.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: lchua6 on September 18, 2014, 17:34
How about TAD?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: kannasai on September 18, 2014, 20:08
Here is an excerpt from the Pioneer Corporation Japan press release.
Pioneer and Onkyo will mutually and effectively utilize their advantages in resources such as brand power and the best of its kind technologies, and thereby increases competiveness and maximise synergies. Each brand continue to stay in the market aftercthe planned transaction.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: kelvinsin on February 06, 2015, 17:48
Just bought an pre-owned lx-76 but too bad not including the accessories like fm antenna,av navigator cd and mcacc mic..
Can any bro here help to burn a copy of the av navigator for me?thanks in advanced.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: Casper adrian on February 10, 2015, 10:29
Anybody using DLNA for music? Cant find any app to hook up,  any suggestion?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: bad_ass09 on February 12, 2015, 18:13
Hi guys.. does anyone know where i can get my sc-lx90 susano's hdmi board fixed other than pioneer service center...?? 1 of my 2 hdmi outputs is not working.. it's a hassle for me to always power off everything than changing the hdmi cable for my tv and projector all the time since i only use my projector at night when it's darker...
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: Tiktokape on February 12, 2015, 18:48

Hi guys.. does anyone know where i can get my sc-lx90 susano's hdmi board fixed other than pioneer service center...?? 1 of my 2 hdmi outputs is not working.. it's a hassle for me to always power off everything than changing the hdmi cable for my tv and projector all the time since i only use my projector at night when it's darker...
why don't add a hdmi switch?


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Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: bad_ass09 on February 12, 2015, 20:01
why don't add a hdmi switch?


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What's that...??
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: Yummyyumi on March 14, 2015, 13:25
Anybody using DLNA for music? Cant find any app to hook up,  any suggestion?

I'm using icontrolAV5 On my Samsung note 4.

It is working like a charm.


Yummy
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: Casper adrian on March 21, 2015, 19:19
Thanks yummy!  ;)
I am in dilemma, Can i still have sound from from woofer if i have the front speakers set to large? I have floor stand speakers but i can only hear woofer when i set them to small. Such a waste to set 3way floor stand to small right?

Any suggestion?

Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: pcie on March 24, 2015, 13:26
If I understand correctly..setting small doesnt mean its a waste. U jus have to try if small or large that will give u an overall better sound with the sub and amp and room settings


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Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: kelvinsin on June 13, 2015, 18:59
May i know does the audio setting like auto drc, tones, eq, s-rtrv,...etc will affect the mcacc calibration?any preset advise to do before tun the full mcacc?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: kelvinsin on July 13, 2015, 15:26
Hi all,want ask a silly question.
I have lx76 now which using bi-amp for LR (front+front height), normal output for center, surround and surround back.
I got a spare old pioneer 819 avr with 5.1 channels. Issit possible to preout the front height signal into the 819 and output to speaker via front channel?
I just dont want to sacrifice the bi-amp connection while can utilize the spare avr to setup a 9.1 system.
Does it possible?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: khlim_77 on April 21, 2016, 00:33
Hi pioneer fan
would like to the does the flagship 8 series support Dts x ?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: kelvinsin on April 21, 2016, 07:34
Hi pioneer fan
would like to the does the flagship 8 series support Dts x ?
Yes, but just start to support since lx89 and the firmware will estimate released by september.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: sje4182 on April 21, 2016, 11:36
Hi all,want ask a silly question.
I have lx76 now which using bi-amp for LR (front+front height), normal output for center, surround and surround back.
I got a spare old pioneer 819 avr with 5.1 channels. Issit possible to preout the front height signal into the 819 and output to speaker via front channel?
I just dont want to sacrifice the bi-amp connection while can utilize the spare avr to setup a 9.1 system.
Does it possible?

I guess firstly your LX76 must have pre-out for front height channel. Then you connect the pre-out from the 76 to any of the analogue inputs on your 819 and switch to that input. But you would have to turn your 819 volume to max as our 819 is basically now a power amp and the volume control will be from the pre out of the 76. You may still have volume matching issues as the 2 amps may have different gain/power, etc. Be careful to turn down the volume on your 819 back to normal before switching to other inputs.

Another way is to run the front height from your 76 as per normal and instead use the 819 to bi amp your main speakers with the LX76 (the same methodas per above except that you connect the 819 speakers to the HF terminal of your speakers and your 76 will connect to the LF terminals). This way the total current/power to the front speakers are coming from 2 different transformers/caps which i suppose at least theorectically will be a better bi amp than bi amping from within the same transformer/cap (which is your current arrangement). But of course issue of different power ratings will still apply. But usually LF need more power than HF which is why i recommend connecting LF to the 76 so YMMV (my new favourite acronym).

Tech gurus, if i got it wrong, please correct me.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: kelvinsin on April 21, 2016, 11:58
I guess firstly your LX76 must have pre-out for front height channel. Then you connect the pre-out from the 76 to any of the analogue inputs on yrour 819 and switch to that input. But you would have to turn your 819 volume to max as our 819 is basically now a power amp and the volume control will be from the pre out of the 76. You may still have volume matching issues as the 2 amps may have different gain/power, etc. Be careful to turn down the volume on your 819 back to normal before switching to other inputs.

Another way is to run the front height from your 76 as per normal and instead use the 819 to bi amp your main speakers with the LX76 (the same methodas per above except that you connect the 819 speakers to the HF terminal of your speakers and your 76 will connect to the LF terminals). This way the total current/power to the front speakers are coming from 2 different transformers/caps which i suppose at least theorectically will be a better bi amp than bi amping from within the same transformer/cap (which is your current arrangement). But of course issue of different power ratings will still apply. But usually LF need more power than HF which is why i recommend connecting LF to the 76 so YMMV (my new favourite acronym).

Tech gurus, if i got it wrong, please correct me.

Thanks bro to reply an old question from me since last year july. After did some research, i agree your suggestion to use lx76 as power amp. Thus i may use it to drive my surr and ceiling speaker while another avr (most probably will be lx89) to bi amp and drive the front three. This is quite common method to fully utilize the old avr.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: sje4182 on April 21, 2016, 12:54
Thanks bro to reply an old question from me since last year july. After did some research, i agree your suggestion to use lx76 as power amp. Thus i may use it to drive my surr and ceiling speaker while another avr (most probably will be lx89) to bi amp and drive the front three. This is quite common method to fully utilize the old avr.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: kelvinsin on April 21, 2016, 15:04
Didnt realise this was such a dead place haha
Haha, indeed pioneer is less popular in singapore compare with denon and marantz. That why i always joining those pioneer fans groups in hk and china.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: khlim_77 on April 21, 2016, 19:52
Yes, but just start to support since lx89 and the firmware will estimate released by september.

How about the oldest Series ? Lx 87 or 57
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: kelvinsin on April 22, 2016, 06:59
How about the oldest Series ? Lx 87 or 57
No. Chipset not support, not even support atmos.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: khlim_77 on April 25, 2016, 11:15
where will be the good place to view the demo ?
adelphi ?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: kelvinsin on April 25, 2016, 12:19
where will be the good place to view the demo ?
adelphi ?
Try alpha audio or seng heng in adelphi.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: sje4182 on April 25, 2016, 13:24
Try alpha audio or seng heng in adelphi.

Seng Heng is gone. Now only left Alpha Audio.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: khlim_77 on May 25, 2016, 21:53
Just join the pioneer family with the oldest flagship lx87, any suggestion on the advanced mcacc setting , as previously only familiar on audyssey but not mcacc
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: kelvinsin on May 25, 2016, 23:00
Just join the pioneer family with the oldest flagship lx87, any suggestion on the advanced mcacc setting , as previously only familiar on audyssey but not mcacc

Welcome bro to join the family. You can refer to below guideline from AVS。 As normal user just follow until step no.3 should be enough.


Work Flow:

1) Set Reciever to MCAAC preset 1 (M1). Now Run Auto MCAAC with mic in you listening position (I taped the mic to the top of a two foot long shoe horn, and stuck the shoe horn inbetween the couch cushions, so the mic is right where my ears are during listening).

2) Go into Manual Sp Setup and change the SP settings if neccessary(crossover to 100hz for me and speakers to small)

3) Now re-run Auto MCAAC but select custom, and then select Keep SP settings. You will also be given the options to have MCAAC calibrate for symmetry, all ch adjust and front align. You may save each calibration to seperate presets or run just one of them, or run two of them. You will see these options after you select Keep Sp settings.

4) Now you have an Auto MCAAC calibration(s) saved to M1 (or to multiple presets if you chose more than one EQ calibration type in previous step: symmetry, front align, and all ch adjust) (....note: you must select which preset you want Auto MCAAC to save calibration data to before you enter the audio setup menu.) Now go into Data Management--------> Data Copy and copy M1's data to as many other free presets as you like.

5) Now go into Manual MCAAC--->EQ Professional------>Reverb Measurement and get a reading on the the frequency response characteristics of your room. Be sure to select EQ OFF(standing waves not controlled for via MCAAC fliters) in the Reverb Measurement menu because you don't want the standing wave adjustements (EQ on) to be factored in to the room reverb measurments. Also make sure you haven't moved the mic.

6) After test tones are done, go into Manual MCAAC--->EQ Professional------>Reverb View , and you can analyze the frequency response of individual channels at various frequencies. Based upon that data, you would select the appropriate capture delay time for MCAAC to capture data during for the upcoming EQ calibration.

Change that time frame under Manual MCAAC--->EQ Professional------>Advanced EQ Setup to whatever you decide is the appropriate capture delay time ....(Pioneer recommends 30-50 ms, but they encourage you to analyze the data under reverb view first and refer to the advanced MCAAc software manual for analysis purposes). Note: the default capture delay time is than 80-160 ms.

7) Change to the appropriate MCAAC preset before you run the new advanced EQ calibration with the new capture time. You choose which preset, but I would recommend a preset that is a carbon copy of an auto MCAAC calibration so that you can do an A-B comparison between auto EQ and advanced EQ. Go under Manual MCAAC--->EQ Professional------>Advanced EQ Setup to start the advanced EQ calibration, and MCAAC should make a more accurate calibration since it will now capture sonic information sooner after the speakers output sound, and get a read on what the frequency response is of the speakers themselves, and not the speakers and all the reverb which accumulates as time passes. (Default capture time is 80-160 ms and thus collects more reverb and less true speaker reading)

Now you should have an accurate calibration. Also, now you can easily compare the Auto MCAAC EQ effects that are stored in a preset with the advanced EQ effects in other presets while listening to content with a simple button press on the remote. You could also juice the base a few db in a preset, and also compare running the base a bit hot to a flat calibration that you have in other presets.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: khlim_77 on May 26, 2016, 10:28
Hi Kelvin


thanks for you help , will go back and fine tune the amp
suggestion for step 2 crossover is 100mhz , how about 80mhz ?

does mcacc allow us to set different seat calibration ? like audyssey use to set at least minimum 6-8 position in order to fine tune

notice that remote control have the eco band , it allow me change eco 1 or 2
what is that mean ?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: sje4182 on May 26, 2016, 10:37
Hi Kelvin


thanks for you help , will go back and fine tune the amp
suggestion for step 2 crossover is 100mhz , how about 80mhz ?


Unit should be "Hz" not "MHz" (MHZ = megahertz = million hertz which is like what you get in a processor clock speed).
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: kelvinsin on May 28, 2016, 20:33
Hi Kelvin


thanks for you help , will go back and fine tune the amp
suggestion for step 2 crossover is 100mhz , how about 80mhz ?

does mcacc allow us to set different seat calibration ? like audyssey use to set at least minimum 6-8 position in order to fine tune

notice that remote control have the eco band , it allow me change eco 1 or 2
what is that mean ?


Xover freq is dependent on your speaker type. Usually will suggest 80hz for floorstander and large bookshelf while normal bookshelf and satellite speaker are advise to set at 100hz or even 150hz. Anyway its up to your taste on the bass too.
mcacc pro can lets user set the standing wave based on two position (MLP and secondary), remember that MLP always should the last to be measure. I'm not sure about audyssey but if not wrong these multiple measurement just to calculate an optimum listening experience for all the sampling position. For pioneer avr, is advisable just to select single point at MLP for the best result.

As for the eco mode.
Eco mode is to play music and movie with higher audio volume while maintaining at lower power consumption than usual. For best SQ and PQ, better dun choose these options.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: desray on May 29, 2016, 08:12
Welcome bro to join the family. You can refer to below guideline from AVS。 As normal user just follow until step no.3 should be enough.


Work Flow:

1) Set Reciever to MCAAC preset 1 (M1). Now Run Auto MCAAC with mic in you listening position (I taped the mic to the top of a two foot long shoe horn, and stuck the shoe horn inbetween the couch cushions, so the mic is right where my ears are during listening).

2) Go into Manual Sp Setup and change the SP settings if neccessary(crossover to 100hz for me and speakers to small)

3) Now re-run Auto MCAAC but select custom, and then select Keep SP settings. You will also be given the options to have MCAAC calibrate for symmetry, all ch adjust and front align. You may save each calibration to seperate presets or run just one of them, or run two of them. You will see these options after you select Keep Sp settings.

4) Now you have an Auto MCAAC calibration(s) saved to M1 (or to multiple presets if you chose more than one EQ calibration type in previous step: symmetry, front align, and all ch adjust) (....note: you must select which preset you want Auto MCAAC to save calibration data to before you enter the audio setup menu.) Now go into Data Management--------> Data Copy and copy M1's data to as many other free presets as you like.

5) Now go into Manual MCAAC--->EQ Professional------>Reverb Measurement and get a reading on the the frequency response characteristics of your room. Be sure to select EQ OFF(standing waves not controlled for via MCAAC fliters) in the Reverb Measurement menu because you don't want the standing wave adjustements (EQ on) to be factored in to the room reverb measurments. Also make sure you haven't moved the mic.

6) After test tones are done, go into Manual MCAAC--->EQ Professional------>Reverb View , and you can analyze the frequency response of individual channels at various frequencies. Based upon that data, you would select the appropriate capture delay time for MCAAC to capture data during for the upcoming EQ calibration.

Change that time frame under Manual MCAAC--->EQ Professional------>Advanced EQ Setup to whatever you decide is the appropriate capture delay time ....(Pioneer recommends 30-50 ms, but they encourage you to analyze the data under reverb view first and refer to the advanced MCAAc software manual for analysis purposes). Note: the default capture delay time is than 80-160 ms.

7) Change to the appropriate MCAAC preset before you run the new advanced EQ calibration with the new capture time. You choose which preset, but I would recommend a preset that is a carbon copy of an auto MCAAC calibration so that you can do an A-B comparison between auto EQ and advanced EQ. Go under Manual MCAAC--->EQ Professional------>Advanced EQ Setup to start the advanced EQ calibration, and MCAAC should make a more accurate calibration since it will now capture sonic information sooner after the speakers output sound, and get a read on what the frequency response is of the speakers themselves, and not the speakers and all the reverb which accumulates as time passes. (Default capture time is 80-160 ms and thus collects more reverb and less true speaker reading)

Now you should have an accurate calibration. Also, now you can easily compare the Auto MCAAC EQ effects that are stored in a preset with the advanced EQ effects in other presets while listening to content with a simple button press on the remote. You could also juice the base a few db in a preset, and also compare running the base a bit hot to a flat calibration that you have in other presets.
Great primer kelvin for the Pioneer users. Keep it up and hopefully other members benefits from it.

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Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: whitesox on June 07, 2016, 12:10
Just join the pioneer family with the oldest flagship lx87, any suggestion on the advanced mcacc setting , as previously only familiar on audyssey but not mcacc

Previous plan, I also wanted to join Pioneer team by getting LX89 since Onkyo has no longer using Audessy but now
I re-consider again this plan coz I was told Pioneer is facing high turn around. Their skilful technicians left after they moved to new location that's why I must wait for 3 weeks before my player can be repaired....  :(
Oh really sucks... 
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: khlim_77 on June 15, 2016, 16:33
Previous plan, I also wanted to join Pioneer team by getting LX89 since Onkyo has no longer using Audessy but now
I re-consider again this plan coz I was told Pioneer is facing high turn around. Their skilful technicians left after they moved to new location that's why I must wait for 3 weeks before my player can be repaired....  :(
Oh really sucks...

Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: khlim_77 on June 15, 2016, 16:34
Previous plan, I also wanted to join Pioneer team by getting LX89 since Onkyo has no longer using Audessy but now
I re-consider again this plan coz I was told Pioneer is facing high turn around. Their skilful technicians left after they moved to new location that's why I must wait for 3 weeks before my player can be repaired....  :(
Oh really sucks...

i just join Pioneer family with LX87 , anyway is used and upgrade from Denon 1713 , so far happy on it and impress on the clarity of surround

if relocation the services is q acceptable , anyway it not happened everyday

had any member here is doing biamp , does it improve alot in term of sound ?

does the SPL meter calibration work in Advanced MCACC
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: M4tchb0X on June 23, 2016, 15:14
Got a good old BDP LX55, but need some repair. The disc tray doesn't open on command, needs to "jimmy" the tray a lil before it functions. My Optical slot also "came off" #LOL?

Anyone knows where I can get this reliably done? Refuse to upgrade because I love the marvel QDEO chipset and I'm not a huge fan of saber dacs so i want to live with this until 4k becomes mainstream, like proper 4k.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: DJQ on June 23, 2016, 17:50
cannot go back pioneer? at least get a qoute for the repair.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: bad_ass09 on June 23, 2016, 18:52
guys any cheaper option to repair my pioneer lx90 rather than pioneer service center...??

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Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: kelvinsin on June 23, 2016, 20:44
Got a good old BDP LX55, but need some repair. The disc tray doesn't open on command, needs to "jimmy" the tray a lil before it functions. My Optical slot also "came off" #LOL?

Anyone knows where I can get this reliably done? Refuse to upgrade because I love the marvel QDEO chipset and I'm not a huge fan of saber dacs so i want to live with this until 4k becomes mainstream, like proper 4k.
This should be minor problem that many service man can help fix it. My LX55 which is motherboard faulty problem, i send to china lets my friend to fix it, now still diagnostic the problem. Another replica LX55 (M55B) still serving me well, i like the PQLS function which activating by my lx89 avr.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: khlim_77 on July 24, 2016, 11:00
Guy , anyone had try to upgrade the atmosfirmware ? Does it really work with lx87, or it can be done at services center ?

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Press-Room/Home-Entertainment/Dolby+Atmos+Firmware+Update+for+Pioneer+Elite+SC+Receivers+Available+this+Month
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: kelvinsin on July 24, 2016, 17:08
Guy , anyone had try to upgrade the atmosfirmware ? Does it really work with lx87, or it can be done at services center ?

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Press-Room/Home-Entertainment/Dolby+Atmos+Firmware+Update+for+Pioneer+Elite+SC+Receivers+Available+this+Month
Bro,dun get wrong, sc-87 is equal to lx-78 for europe and asia model. Lx87 is non atmos model, no matter how powerful firmware also impossible to turn a non atmos model to be an atmos model,unless its atmos ready.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: khlim_77 on July 24, 2016, 17:54
Really , make me happy on it
As my current lx87 is under advance mcacc ,
Is that any chaces upgrade to mcacc pro ?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: kelvinsin on July 25, 2016, 03:23
Really , make me happy on it
As my current lx87 is under advance mcacc ,
Is that any chaces upgrade to mcacc pro ?

Sorry but have to say its impossible. Every generation has its own logic calculation. Lx85-86-87 consider as one gen, 88 and 89 consider another gen.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: sje4182 on July 26, 2016, 14:35

I really have to say i am very impressed with Pioneer's after sales service :) Their pretty good in responding and following up.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: Jagdpanzer on July 29, 2016, 13:53
I'm surprised at this day and age,   home service support can  be still FOC for Pioneer AV amp. I had my amp repaired recently.  The Pioneer service support is really superb and the technical support guy (one man operation) is really knowledgeable.

Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: luqman123 on July 29, 2016, 14:02
Plus 1. Yes good service n foc transport.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: khlim_77 on August 06, 2016, 00:18
Today added a spk cable to front use as biamp , result is day & night different, whole surround improve and more detail , Really satisfied on the minor upgrading
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: kelvinsin on August 06, 2016, 07:21
Today added a spk cable to front use as biamp , result is day & night different, whole surround improve and more detail , Really satisfied on the minor upgrading
Bro,mind to share which speaker system you using after bi-amp?i tried bi-amp at my previous set lx76 after then also never return to single wire setting.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: sje4182 on August 06, 2016, 08:35
Today added a spk cable to front use as biamp , result is day & night different, whole surround improve and more detail , Really satisfied on the minor upgrading

Where did you connect the speaker cable to at the AVR side?

Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: khlim_77 on August 08, 2016, 09:28
this is the way to go , front out to speaker low and front height to tweeter
i only using 5.1 hence i chose the biamp for front and center


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Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: CASH on August 12, 2016, 07:54
new model out for pioneer avr.

SC-LX901
should be out in early sept 2016.
11.2 channels.

http://www.jp.onkyo.com/news/newproducts/audio/sc-lx901_801_701/index.htm
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: CASH on August 12, 2016, 07:55
use google translate to view the page in english...
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: kelvinsin on August 12, 2016, 19:42
Google translate for the differences with lx89. I will post english version in later time. Stay tune ;)
新增特性(相对于LX89)
1. 11声道后级直接驱动(LX89内置9声道后级)
2. 出厂支持ATMOS/DTSX (LX89需固件升级支持DTS:X)
3. HDMI 出厂支持2.0a (LX89需固件升级支持HDMI 2.0a, 仅前三个支持2.0a)
4. 喇叭模式支持4顶置或4增高模式,或他们的任意组合
5. 遥控器换型 (更现代化一些,但是键更少)
6. 模拟2声道输入增加致6组可自由配置(原来只有2组可配置)
7. 数字输入端子3组可配置(原来只有2组可配置)
8. zone2/3功能可以不占用功放通道(纯pre-out模式)
9. 全新GUI,全图形化的用户界面,任意模式支持OSD叠加
10. google Cast 网络收音机(估计被墙了)
11. Reflex Optimizer 反射式音箱优化 (利用fullband phasecontrol 精准控制反射式音箱的到达时间)
12. DSD 11.2Mhz 支持(原来只支持到5.6Mhz)
13. PQFA 精准时钟系统(相当于PQLS的扩展应用,不再依赖于指定设备支持,包括机内传输统一时钟管理,44.1/88.2/176.4和48/96/192双时钟支持)
14. 视频 HDCP 2.2/BT2020/HDR 支持


“减少”特性:
1. HDMI输出减少了一个,现只有2个HDMI输出,原来的hd zone输出取消了
2. YPBPR 色差输入减少了一组
3. OPtical out 取消(原来就没啥用)
4. zone减少一组
5. 取消了多通道模拟输入(Multi-IN)
6. 取消了usd-dac功能

New added functions (Compare with LX89)
1. 11.2 direct output support (LX89 only can support up to 9.2 without external amp)
2. Come with ATMOS/DTSX firmware (LX89 require firmware update for DTS:X)
3. HDMI 2.0a (LX89 require firmware update to support HDMI 2.0a, and just the first 3x HDMI port support 2.0a)
4. Speaker system support 4 atmos ceiling speakers or 4 front height speakers mode or random mix any of them (useful to switch in between atmos and dtsx)
5. Remote controller optimized
6. Increase analogue stereo inputs to 6 modes
7. 3x Digital input (2x in LX89)
8. Zone2/3 can direct output (LX89 only can pre-out)
9. Brand new GUI, full visualized user interface, can customize OSD display
10. Support Google Cast
11. Reflex Optimizer (Advanced version of fullband phasecontrol)
12. Support DSD 11.2Mhz(Lx89 only support up to 5.6Mhz)
13. PQFA clocking system (Upgraded version of PQLS,no longer restrict to pioneer BD player but support to all connected devices. Support dual clocking system 44.1/88.2/176.4和48/96/192)
14. Support HDCP 2.2/BT2020/HDR for latest 4K standard


What less?
1. HDMI output decrease 1, left 2 outputs now, HD zone output cancelled
2. YPBPR input decrese 1
3. Optical output cancelled
4. Decrease 1 zone
5. Cancel multi-in ch
6. Cancel usb-dac
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: kelvinsin on October 19, 2016, 00:05
To all Pioneer LX59,79,89 users... the long wait DTSX firmware has finally released!
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Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: skate on January 07, 2017, 19:29
Hi everyone,

Any idea why my avr will keep on power on/off by itself? Sometimes it happen, somethings not. My avr is pre out to an amplifier, therefore all the power is drawn by the external amplifier and no speakers are connected to the avr.
Is it due to faulty hdmi, or power supply, or hdmi board? Really don know why.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: CASH on January 07, 2017, 19:55
Which model?
So we can google search that model if it's a known problem....
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: skate on January 07, 2017, 21:57
Is lx57. Listening volume is -20 from the master volume. Speaker sensitive is 90db. A nood question, do we need to off the amp from the avr if i am using a external power amplifier for my speakers through pre-out? It is because if i off it, the tendency of my avr auto switching off/on would be higher. But if i leave it on, although the chances of switching off are lesser but my avr would be very hot.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: kelvinsin on January 08, 2017, 22:08
Is lx57. Listening volume is -20 from the master volume. Speaker sensitive is 90db. A nood question, do we need to off the amp from the avr if i am using a external power amplifier for my speakers through pre-out? It is because if i off it, the tendency of my avr auto switching off/on would be higher. But if i leave it on, although the chances of switching off are lesser but my avr would be very hot.
Better check again there is no short in between those pre-out rca. You can switch off the Main means the power amp in LX57 is completely turn off. Do isolation check by disconnect one by one pre-out channel connection to filter the actual root cause.
One last thing you can do a factory reset follow by full mcacc.
Please update your finding so that we can help further.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: dbchoong on January 10, 2017, 09:07
Bought a 2nd hand LX57 from fellow member here. :)

Is it normal to have to crank the volume up to -20db or higher for movies (Bluray and media player)? The sound is great, no problems with that.
For stereo (eg. Internet radio) - it's already pretty loud at -35db.

Also connected to Starhub box (Dolby Digital) with HDMI but the sound is pretty bad. Tried with HDMI and also optical input - both sounds bad. Used to be OK with my old Panasonic AVR. Maybe I'll hook up analog connection with the Starhub box.

Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: sje4182 on January 10, 2017, 11:18
Bought a 2nd hand LX57 from fellow member here. :)

Is it normal to have to crank the volume up to -20db or higher for movies (Bluray and media player)? The sound is great, no problems with that.
For stereo (eg. Internet radio) - it's already pretty loud at -35db.

Also connected to Starhub box (Dolby Digital) with HDMI but the sound is pretty bad. Tried with HDMI and also optical input - both sounds bad. Used to be OK with my old Panasonic AVR. Maybe I'll hook up analog connection with the Starhub box.

Yes for movies, below -20 volume is normal. Usually i am around -18 (i am using LX 78). For Mio and SH, what do you mean by bad? Anyway for me i use "EXT STEREO" for Mio and SH.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: kelvinsin on January 10, 2017, 11:27
Bought a 2nd hand LX57 from fellow member here. :)

Is it normal to have to crank the volume up to -20db or higher for movies (Bluray and media player)? The sound is great, no problems with that.
For stereo (eg. Internet radio) - it's already pretty loud at -35db.

Also connected to Starhub box (Dolby Digital) with HDMI but the sound is pretty bad. Tried with HDMI and also optical input - both sounds bad. Used to be OK with my old Panasonic AVR. Maybe I'll hook up analog connection with the Starhub box.
Agree to sje4182, i also usually use ext.stereo to watch 2ch source from internet tvbox streaming like singing competition, its giving more live feeling.
-30db seems quite low compare to mine which also -20 to -25db. Have you done proper mcacc?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: dbchoong on January 10, 2017, 13:03
Starhub sound is bad - as in lacks fidelity (poor bass, poor voice). Bluray and media playback and Internet radio is fine and playing very well.

I did MCACC. My setup wired for Front L/R + Wide L/R speakers too.

Anyway, I'll try again next time on the Starhub connection. It's still acceptable, but I think it has to be a lot better.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: CASH on January 10, 2017, 13:14
try disconnecting the power cord into the star hub box itself..
leave it alone without any power for at least 3 minutes...
then plug back the power cord into the star hub box n let it slowly reboot up again..
star hub sometimes has firmware updates for the card in the box itself..
jus try... never know... it just might improve??
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: kelvinsin on January 10, 2017, 13:42
Starhub sound is bad - as in lacks fidelity (poor bass, poor voice). Bluray and media playback and Internet radio is fine and playing very well.

I did MCACC. My setup wired for Front L/R + Wide L/R speakers too.

Anyway, I'll try again next time on the Starhub connection. It's still acceptable, but I think it has to be a lot better.
If you talking about audio quality of SH box program,just forget it..i found only the HD channel with 5.1 DD at least can have acceptable sq for movie, but the signal output level seems really low. Dun expect too much.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: deadrick on January 10, 2017, 23:04
Hi guys, can i check if sc-lx59 can do bass eq? The SW eq onky got 36hz n 63hz, my crossover is 80hz so only 2 bands i can adjust?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: kelvinsin on January 10, 2017, 23:33
Hi guys, can i check if sc-lx59 can do bass eq? The SW eq onky got 36hz n 63hz, my crossover is 80hz so only 2 bands i can adjust?
Nope. But why you need to adjust the EQ while the mcacc ald tuned and optimized automatically? Or you believe you can do better than calibration system or just wan to tune to the sound you think suit to your taste?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: skate on January 11, 2017, 19:18
Better check again there is no short in between those pre-out rca. You can switch off the Main means the power amp in LX57 is completely turn off. Do isolation check by disconnect one by one pre-out channel connection to filter the actual root cause.
One last thing you can do a factory reset follow by full mcacc.
Please update your finding so that we can help further.


thanks bro joagib and bro kelvinsin for some of the advices. Bought a usb laptop fan and put on top on my avr as bro joagib mentioned that it might be due to heat. Factory reset also done and a full auto mcacc calibration. Watched some movie scenes which have lots of impact, no tripping. But while changing disc from my bluray player, my avr suddenly restart. About 3 sec, another restarting. It happened a total of 3 times. Hmm...i think its time to send for servicing.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: kelvinsin on January 11, 2017, 19:27

thanks bro joagib and bro kelvinsin for some of the advices. Bought a usb laptop fan and put on top on my avr as bro joagib mentioned that it might be due to heat. Factory reset also done and a full auto mcacc calibration. Watched some movie scenes which have lots of impact, no tripping. But while changing disc from my bluray player, my avr suddenly restart. About 3 sec, another restarting. It happened a total of 3 times. Hmm...i think its time to send for servicing.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: deadrick on January 11, 2017, 19:43
Nope. But why you need to adjust the EQ while the mcacc ald tuned and optimized automatically? Or you believe you can do better than calibration system or just wan to tune to the sound you think suit to your taste?
i dont think mcacc  adjust anything in the LF, REW showing messy peaks and nulls, SW eq is flat as well, dont think its auto adjusted .
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: kelvinsin on January 11, 2017, 20:06
i dont think mcacc  adjust anything in the LF, REW showing messy peaks and nulls, SW eq is flat as well, dont think its auto adjusted .
Its does. Can you imagine if the mcacc or audessy calibrate the whole frequency range but leave LF and require all user to manual adjust the sub EQ? Do you think is possible?

I think this could be the reason why you found no seen sub req compensation in mcacc.

"Subwoofer
The subwoofer EQ feature allows you to adjust the subwoofer tone. For Auto MCACC, the subwoofer EQ is automatically adjusted with EQ type ALL CH ADJ, while manual adjustment is available with EQ type SYMMETRY and FRONT ALIGN. As
with other EQ, the manual adjustment can be done on the AV receiver’s GUI."


If you used Auto MCACC with "keep all sp", you should have 3 different sound mode which is ALL CH ADJ, SYMMETRY and FRONT ALIGN. Choose the ALL CH ADJ mode and you should able to see the different.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: skate on January 11, 2017, 20:13
I believe bro joagib has advised you to do some isolation test to find where is the potential root cause right? At least you will have basic idea even if u tell pioneer service center to narrow down the range with useful and detail description.

yup will do more trials to find out the root cause. But kind of busy this week. Will continue next week.Thanks alot.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: joagib on January 11, 2017, 20:40
yup will do more trials to find out the root cause. But kind of busy this week. Will continue next week.Thanks alot.
Which connection did you use from bdp to Avr?
I believe Hdmi cable to Avr.
Any other connection for your stereo listening? Like RCA /OPTICAL/COAXIAL to Avr?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: deadrick on August 04, 2017, 12:19
Can we set front height and top ceiling config for 5.1.4 set up?
My current config is top front n top rear ceiling speakers.

Another setting avail is front height n rear height but no mixture of front height n top rear.

Playing ard to see front height or top front is better.

Certain scene, there seems to be a gap at the front height area btw top front n my front LR speakers..

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Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: CASH on September 01, 2017, 09:33
"DTS PLAY-FI" firmware updates should soon be available for the selected Pioneer AVR's..

https://www.hkpioneer.net/en/press_release-detail.php?id=317&index=1
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on November 07, 2017, 10:44
Alas, my 6+ years old LX83 failed me last night.  The audio simply stopped, only video was displayed. Tried the headphones also no luck! :P

Any Bros here had similar problem?  I assume the amp is fried!  Has anyone sent his for repairs and what was the damage like?

Or it’s not worth repairing it :).  Time to upgrade? ::) :)

Tks
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: kelvinsin on November 10, 2017, 10:00
Alas, my 6+ years old LX83 failed me last night.  The audio simply stopped, only video was displayed. Tried the headphones also no luck! :P

Any Bros here had similar problem?  I assume the amp is fried!  Has anyone sent his for repairs and what was the damage like?

Or it’s not worth repairing it :).  Time to upgrade? ::) :)

Tks
Not advisable to repair. At least 200-300 required. Even used Lx58 should better in term of functionality and sq
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: Jagdpanzer on November 10, 2017, 10:41
6 year +  AV amp is like 6 year old entry level DAC.
I doubt it can even fetch $350.
Time to upgrade to maybe another Pioneer which comes with 2 yr warranty with home service and energy friendly Class D amp. 


Alas, my 6+ years old LX83 failed me last night.  The audio simply stopped, only video was displayed. Tried the headphones also no luck! :P

Any Bros here had similar problem?  I assume the amp is fried!  Has anyone sent his for repairs and what was the damage like?

Or it’s not worth repairing it :).  Time to upgrade? ::) :)

Tks
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on November 10, 2017, 11:17
Tks for the input!  I was just about to post that my LX83 is working fine now :)

I spent the afternoon yesterday to clean all the contacts, vacuumed the internal modules and blew hard thru’ the headphone jack, and voila, it’s sprang to life again :)
Guessed it’s a matter of overheating! :)
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: ronildoq on November 10, 2017, 12:36
Is Dirac Live room correction coming to Pioneer AVRs? Any idea
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on November 10, 2017, 17:43
Not that I have heard but i think it does help if you have already run a Dirac Live room correction before calibrating your HT channels! :)
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: kelvinsin on November 12, 2017, 12:22
Yes, heard fastest dirac live will integrated to latest flagship to replace mcacc. But nov ald still no news leh...
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: byang on December 07, 2017, 21:01
Is anyone here using the SC-LX901? Thanks!
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: bruce toh on December 09, 2017, 22:44
hi
anyone selling Pioneer AVM? LX85 to 89 model.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: freezerz on January 11, 2018, 11:09
Hi, I've a problem with sound on my VSX-531. Any help is appreciated!
My thread is here -> http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=265276.0
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: otomato on January 11, 2018, 17:07
Also connected to Starhub box (Dolby Digital) with HDMI but the sound is pretty bad. Tried with HDMI and also optical input - both sounds bad. Used to be OK with my old Panasonic AVR. Maybe I'll hook up analog connection with the Starhub box.

Using LX58 here.
Some folks connect their SH box to amp. But I don't...
SH box HDMI goes straight to TV. From TV digital optical output to amp.

Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: francis wu on March 24, 2018, 13:16
This will be interesting....
(http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm144/franciswookimleong/Pioneer-VSX-LX103-7.2-Channel-Network-Receiver-1600x902_zpskdeamsfp.jpg)

https://www.androidheadlines.com/2018/03/pioneers-vsx-lx103-elite-receiver-comes-chromecast.html
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: kelvinsin on March 25, 2018, 11:05
This should be the lowest model in LX series. In EU/Asia version should be LX-302?
Anyway still no new for the 2018 flagship which high chance equipped with dirac.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: tane0019 on March 25, 2018, 21:56
Pioneer using DIRAC ?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: kelvinsin on March 26, 2018, 07:52
Pioneer using DIRAC ?
https://www.audioholics.com/av-news/pioneer-dirac-partnership

Nothing is impossible since Acram avr series also with dirac.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: tane0019 on March 26, 2018, 21:26
So Onkyo coming soon  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: dream88sg on March 23, 2019, 19:09
Hi

Hivizone seem dead where to get Pioneer AVR now? Singapore seem so overprice,
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: kelvinsin on March 24, 2019, 00:58
Hi

Hivizone seem dead where to get Pioneer AVR now? Singapore seem so overprice,
Take a flight to and fro HK still cheaper than buy local.
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: desray on March 24, 2019, 08:31
Take a flight to and fro HK still cheaper than buy local.

+1 with Kelvin on Pioneer products sold here in Singapore. Ridiculous mark-up!!!


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Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: DJQ on March 24, 2019, 11:00
any change on the LX-800 pricing since the last hifi show?
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: otomato on April 12, 2019, 00:50
where can I find shops selling Pioneer amp and players?

saw this add in Qoo10 ...
https://www.qoo10.sg/item/PIONEER-PIONEER-SC-LX901-ELITE-11-2-CH-SC-LX701-SC-LX501-SC-1224-K-AV/611279874 (https://www.qoo10.sg/item/PIONEER-PIONEER-SC-LX901-ELITE-11-2-CH-SC-LX701-SC-LX501-SC-1224-K-AV/611279874)

is the shop reliable?


Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: bad_ass09 on May 01, 2019, 11:50
My pioneer susano's lcd display started having issues.. constant flickering.. just had the hdmi board replaced about 2 years ago.. any fixes that u guys can chip in?

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Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: YANG on May 01, 2019, 12:08
fixit by replace it!
keep servicing nreplacing components after warranty ended can only add more stress to wallet nia。。。benefits little。
Title: Re: Pioneer AVR owners' Thread
Post by: bad_ass09 on May 01, 2019, 12:32
fixit by replace it!
keep servicing nreplacing components after warranty ended can only add more stress to wallet nia。。。benefits little。
Yeah i know.. but i'm quite very happy with the sound and difficult to part with my beloved AVR.. been with me for nearly 10 years..!

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